 He's just a very interesting person to listen to, and I'm beginning to buy into an awful lot of what he says. He talked me into going back to Wyoming to the CODI conference a couple years ago, and I gave a paper on the face on Mars, wondering why my other geologic colleagues weren't saying, hey, this thing doesn't look natural, and I'm about 90% convinced it's not natural. It's about the size and shape of Ayers Rock in Australia.