 And I interrupted and I said, okay, sir, you mean by a line, an underground tunnel, correct? He said, yes. He said, I use it all the time to go back and forth between a post in New Mexico and my post here in Arizona. And again, he wouldn't name the post, but he warned us. He said, you know, with what I've been talking about, he said, you realize these areas you've gone into, he said there were fences, were there not? I said, there were. He said, what made you go over the fences that you went over?