 He pointed at a map he had, and the map that he had had boundaries on it, and the boundaries that were on it were marking areas where there were fences, where Alexander and I were familiar, having jumped these fences where they were. He said, you've been in here, haven't you? And I said, yes. He said, you've been in here, haven't you? And I said, yes. And he laughed. He said, you know, these people are down by much in the way of an ROE like we were.