 Met with him a few times. I was there for like two weeks, I think it was. When I got on the airplane, I sat next to a woman. And she was a counselor to women who have been abused. And she was sharing so much with me. I was sharing so much with her. And then on the way back, I was sitting in the middle of these two guys. And I looked to see what books they were reading. They were reading Christian books.