 You never know about our team. They may just take them for a walk. It's possible. Very cool. All right. What do you tell people the key to getting out of debt is now that you've done it? It's up to you. You want to take it or you want me to take it? I think that what we experienced is that things are going to happen that are going to throw us off track, like having a kid. COVID happened during our debt-free journey. And moving. We just had periods of chaos. Go ahead.