 Absolutely, student loans. So my student loans were $150,000 and Rhonda's were $100,000. About $100,000, yeah. That's undergraduate, graduate, and doctorate. Yeah, and so for me, I went out of state, Dave, and a private institution. And then I went on and got a master's after that. Why not? So talk about like piling it on. Yeah, piling it on. Okay, so how long have you two been married?