 And one thing I hear from both of them is they just don't have the time to do all the jobs that people want them to do, which is not a thing you often hear from that many folks. There's so many offers to do different work in different places that they can't get to at all. So, Mike, I mean, I'm experiencing that from my own extended family, what they're seeing out there. I'm just wondering to what degree also when you're the CEO of MicroWorks Foundation, you're encouraging young people to go into this, but...