 In one particular team leader meeting, Dr. Chipwood, who was the executive director at the time, he's head of the International Mission Board now, went from having 80 employees to having 3,500 employees or so, maybe more than that with the missionaries. And three times he said, man, you're going to have to stop. I mean, they were about to come to blows at the Kentucky Baptist Convention in a team leader meeting, but it all went back to this one guy