 She, one of the things, of course, one of the things I remember, you know, when you're in this kind of position and you want to interview somebody, sometimes it can be kind of hard. You get somebody, if you can, sometimes it's hard to convince them to come in. Oh, I'll be too nervous or I don't want to do that. I can never do that. You get them here and they actually are here and then they are nervous or they...