 Oh, sure. Who had been in a lot of big movies, but he kind of was introduced to a younger audience in the 1990s when he played the trail boss in Billy Crystal's movie City Slickers. And he came on later and didn't realize that it was a long-form interview. He thought it was like five minutes, and it was 22 minutes is how long a 30-minute TV show is absent Hello, Goodbye and the commercials. And those 22 minutes usually would fly by, and then it was like 22 minutes in a dead-end chair.