 There's been nothing more traumatic and dramatic than what we've been going through now and what we're still going to go through. And so I think people should not underestimate how much people want to avoid this kind of chaos and confusion that we're currently going through. Well, then, of course, you've got the president himself who does not seem to want to go anywhere. Just the opposite. What about that? Are they stuck? We'll continue this conversation with Molly Hemingway on the other side of this very short break.