 perfect analogy and we're talking to carol roth and carol i am curious to get your reaction to this back and forth i mean kareem jean-pierre who's already a profoundly horrible press secretary i don't know any press secretary that could have gone out there today and would be able to defend this president in any way shape or form after what everybody witnessed on that debate stage but sure enough uh this is how she performed today this is the latest cut uh ethan so let's let's play that one get carol's reaction on the other side