 And they wanted to talk to me about the coverage, the media coverage of the church. They contended it was biased, and they wanted me to take a look and examine it. So I did. And I found that they had some arguments that were fairly substantial. But in the course of that, Lawrence Wright, who is a writer for The New Yorker, he's very high profile, done documentary films, he had written Going Clear, a book about the church,