 My personal assessment is she doesn't know what's going on. And hopefully she's not lying and made that point. But once you lose your credibility as a leader of an organization like that, people say, is it time for her to go? I do think she should resign or President Biden should let her go. Because once you say something like that, when you say what's the pitch of the roof, and you can see the snipers on the other side of the thing on a bigger pitch, it's just you've lost credibility. Once you lose credibility, you can't run an organization like that.