 giants are one of these teams you mentioned the cubs giants are another team they're sort of running out of time here you figure they have a little more talent than they're showing but at some point you're going to show it otherwise management says you know what we uh what's uh let's sell off some pieces and we'll try again next year because this is a team they signed snell they uh they were aligned i think 84 and a half they were supposed to be like an 84 85 win team and they just they've had bad losses they haven't gotten much out of snell this is an underachieving team so