 And I asked him, what makes you say that? He said, well, I had my own experience about 10 years ago, and I've never talked about it because I was threatened. And I said, now you have my attention. What did you see? Are you willing to talk about it? And he paused for a moment, and he said, I'll tell you about it, but I don't want to go into too much detail. And he said that he had been in his senior year of high school, and that at the time his hobbies were riding his dirt bike,