 And once again, you're listening to Talkin' Pets. I'm John Patch. Dr. Katie Meyer. I'm Lex Adams. So I've covered Westminster since 1993, 92. I knew Kaz. He always performed with the poodles. And he was a super friendly guy. He was super friendly to everybody. And he just won Best in Show. And I believe it was a heart attack. And he passed. So how quick we both know.