 And we were overly, overly tough and overly combative at times with our wives. So that was a conviction I had. And so I'm encouraging men to think more clearly about their own. We talked about this toughness in terms of work, but also just toughness in terms of familiarity. That's Ryan Frederick, and he joins us today on Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. I'm John Fuller, and thank you for listening and watching.