 I know that for the 130, which is even longer, has a third row, and I haven't sat in that yet. I'd be curious to. But from the front seat, which is where most owners are going to be most of the time, plenty of room. So he's talking about this Land Rover Defender. They make a 90, two doors, a 110, four doors, five passenger, and then a 130, which is the four door with three rows, so technically seven passenger.