 And so whenever somebody jumps on board and they say reverse speech, they never really grasp the concept until it's demonstrated on the radio. And you show people, yes, it's some sort of a what they call apophenia or something where you can hear it. We don't know if it's apophenia, pareidolia or whatever, but still the brain registers it as true speech. That's why David John Oates is on the program tonight. If you have any questions, 503-225-0860.