 of Donald Trump. But look, that Joe Biden was very disciplined. He needed to push back on the notion that he talked too much. Joe Biden, the vice presidential debater, I thought was a really effective debater, both against Paul Ryan and against Sarah Palin. He was very disciplined. He's really good at moving message. But this version is not the same guy. I don't think he's as nimble. That's Chuck Todd. I don't think he's as nimble. I...