 You know, taking classes, learning, working for various contractors, learning from the older workers on the job and the contractors, and just, you know, those skills, no one can take those skills away from you. And, you know, you build on those and take them and advance and the opportunity to move up to be a project manager or superintendent or, you know, run your own company or get involved in the safety aspect or engineering side of things. I mean, it's whatever...