 by way of this debate structure, the moderators weren't really fact-checking in real time, and the vacuum was kind of open there for the former president to say what he wanted to say. And, yes, Joe Biden, the current president, could respond if he thought that something was not true or if he thought something merited being pushed back against. But we had those policy moments, but not a whole lot of concrete details. Talking about the economy, I thought there was a really interesting sort of reframing of what happened