 that moment when you had this group of kind of gray beards from politics broadly who thought about how to do this without commercials and to do it without one particular network or broadcaster having responsibility for this. So as I said at the top, CNN's imprint is all over this. This is certainly a big moment for them. And the CEO of the network has said that he really admires what that first televised debate looked like back in 1960 between Kennedy and Nixon. It was pared down. It was