 it is surprising i know they've got a lot of seasonality programmed into their their trading venues and they've also got of course uh some negativity if you will on the charts that just you know you keep making new lows momentum begets momentum and they keep selling but i'm surprised that you're getting this short this early in the in the cycle that being said you know we can look at what happened to like the soil market last week when they get too far over their skis