 that's what hurt them and you know that's why they they were staring down a five and seven season instead of you know eight and four nine and three or weren't able to build off that four and oh start so now uh with cam ward gone um i mean what does the quarterback spot look like for washington state yeah so it's going to be a position battle that goes into um fall camp it's john matier who was ward's backup last year uh he's a redshirt sophomore out of uh