 But according to the people that we've talked to who are on this call or familiar with this call, it was defensive. It was very tense. Jason Crow, a congressman from Colorado, references the concerns that voters have about Biden being at the helm of the ticket. You know, when they when they go to sleep or when he goes to sleep at night, they're thinking about, you know, is he the person suited for this? And apparently Biden just really laid into him after that.