 And I think he's going to be a great person to lead the Big 12 in figuring out where college football is going. I don't think there's any doubt about it. When you talk to him, you get a sense of it. And I'll go as far as saying this. If he was the commissioner of the Pac-12, there would actually be a Pac-12, and you probably would have seen what happened to the Big 12 as far as its expansion, bringing in more teams. That probably would have been the Pac-12, had he been that conference commissioner.