 sure well um cedar valley chamber music was formed 19 seasons ago the first two seasons i ran out of the back of my my car just started doing that myself and then the third year um in 2008 we actually formed as a non-profit and got a board of directors and all that and that was sort of the the point where i had to decide how i was going to shape artists and bringing artists in all of that and what we decided and what we still do today