 treat someone like God has treated me, I'm inviting heaven down. If I treat someone like Satan treats me, I'm pulling hell up. And so every day we have opportunities to either pull heaven down into our life or pull hell up into our life. And that's what happened at Lakewood when she chose evil and hate and violence. But on a theological level, the problem of evil is what confronts me as a pastor when these things happen. And people tend to ask