 especially when you get on a personal level. That's in a business situation. Marie, here's where you can elevate the maturity of the whole interaction. Do you want to tell your dad about this Ramsey plan and this get-out-of-debt plan because you want him to look at you at the end of the day and be like, man, you really saved us. You did a great job. Daughter, I'm proud of you. Thank you. Or...