 yes and we know that that year we didn't make it was 2008 we were nine and we were nine and three we lost the last four games down the stretch went nine to seven but you know brett farm had a an arm issue but if he doesn't we were a really good team and we probably could have made some noise but at the end of the day another team sneaks in that you know isn't going to win and it's like well well they took the spot so they made it but doesn't mean that