 pretty supportive way but that's the taste of what we I saw this week I believe to start up is some seasonal pressure and some waiting for what you mentioned which is where does this cash trade develop here over the next couple of days now looking at the pork side of the equation as well we did see a little bit of an update yesterday but overall I know hogs have been trying to find anything to hang on to that vine as they're sliding down the hill I mean are we seeing anything where it looks like that might be stopping a little bit or is it still kind of business as usual