 with just a direct rein and see if you can keep yourself from trying to use that rein as your indirect rein so that you get really consistent at that before you put two reins back in your hand. And you can hear and see more of Kerry Kuhn at kerrykuhn.com. Okay, we're going to be back with more Better Horses, exciting interviews coming up. Stay with us. We'll be right back right after these messages.