 who not only nominated individuals, but also people that the nominee says, well, why don't you go talk to this person, this person, and this person, and get a feeling for how these other individuals feel about that nominee, right? Yep, yep. So we always try to always talk with the nominator. We always talk with the recipient. And then we kind of ask both of them, primarily, like you say, the nominee, who else would be able to talk on your character,