 what to do you know there was a story i said once before there was these roger karras was a good friend of mine he used to be the president of the aspca way back when he was the voice of westminster and so on and so forth and he was on he used to do 2020 with barbara walters so roger and i became like he took me under his wing he was my mentor basically when i started doing radio and and animal stuff and everything and roger was just a great man