 Compared to Doug Berger, she had a little more name ID, more brand than the other Dakota governor. But, look, I just think that I'm a little surprised, to be honest, that she's on stage tonight, given how far her political stock has dropped within the party. Well, and her point was that those commercials worked, right, that they did get more plumbers, they did get more electricians, and that is a big part of the Trump platform of not necessarily relying on four-year degrees but other forms of education.