 Yes, Mark. Rodman is a top 75 guy, and Klay is not. So that shows you what his peers think of those guys. Yeah, Paul. What's fascinating about Dennis Rodman, he wasn't respected when he was playing. He made two all-star teams. He led the league in rebounds eight years in a row and made two all-star teams. Yeah. Criminal. Yeah. All right, let me take a break. More phone calls coming up. And Gus Johnson will join us next hour. Back after this.