 Like I said, he's really good on television with these liberal hosts. He understands the position of the conservative movement. And he's written, literally written a book about the plight of middle class America and the hollowing out of our culture in middle class America called Hillbilly Elegy, which even liberals read and liked. Not saying liberals are going to now all of a sudden vote for him. But I want you to remember something. Nobody votes for the vice president. Absolutely no one. They vote for the top of the ticket, period.