 there is a bit of a conflict between his life story, as told in Hillbilly Elegy, and his economic program. That doesn't mean that it shouldn't be part of the conversation. Obviously, it is part of the conversation. It's a huge part of the conversation right now. But it's certainly heterodox, as we discussed when he was selected as the vice presidential pick by President Trump. But his story is unquestionably an amazing American story that requires telling over and over again. I was lucky.