 yeah yeah we met on uh... uh... just the launch of of a webcasting platform as we've talked about more recently it was kind of on the cusp of our podcasting became and that's where we met in you know it was an interesting start and that's everywhere and we were so far ahead of the rest of the world i mean this was years before bob casting took effect and it was a uh... ladies and uh... what it was was a television show with all kinds of hosts