 Yes, Paul. So the genesis of this poll question is who got the most for their legacy out of this? And I think you can make the case that Steve Kerr maybe got the most out of it. Steve Kerr had a very good NBA career as a backup. But he won a lot of titles as a backup. But I don't think you're going to the Hall of Fame that way. He wasn't going to the Hall of Fame. Now he's a shoe-in first ballot Hall of Famer. Okay. All right. I see where you're coming from. And he kind of stumbled into it. He didn't have a coaching resume.