 And down. I'm not going to do it now, Lisa, but I'm going to tell the story. I might have already told the story about the dog that I taught to pick up a $50 bill when it was a 20, a 10, and a 5 on the floor and how I did it. And it was kind of an interesting approach. I'll talk about it. But the guy who had me, he paid me to train the dog to do that.