 I agree with you. I agree with you. Chip Riedman, you got the final word here in our final minute of this segment. I'll give Vance his appointment or selection an eight. Nobody's perfect, but I think he's a very good one. He represents the everyday guy maybe a little bit more. I'm not so sure about the Catholic connection. I think it's there, but I don't think it's as much as maybe you think it is. I think his roots in Ohio, the hillbilly eulogy story, I think ties him to people.