 Josh Friedman, co-CEO, co-founder and co-chairman of Canyon Partners. There are buildings that were built in 1960 on 3rd Avenue here in New York that have been recapped so many times with money coming out and more and more debt. And with population migrating to different areas with brand new buildings that look completely different from older buildings that might have lower ceilings and not the right kind of infrastructure, some buildings are just completely obsolete. And there's a lot of that.