 And so the first part is we have to assess the people and the horses, find out what level they're at and what they need. And so we focus on the horse's needs the first four or five hours. And we want to get that horse in a willing frame of mind. We want to have that horse not bothered. We want to work on desensitization. We want to work on the rider and the horse having better communication skills. And when a horse is telling us no,