 Packers are still chasing cattle. They're really bidding up that cash market right now. And so we see the higher prices in cash. We can see the higher price in the wholesale cutout value. So Packer margins, they're making some money here. And when that happens, they're going to take advantage of that with production. They're going to produce as much as they can to keep that margin positive for as long as they can. Because if they don't, they may lose out when they hit the red label.