 and the horses aren't troubled and the people aren't troubled. And the only way to do that is really, really concentrate on where the animal's mind is as far as fear and not being afraid and the rider as well. So that's where we start out with. And, uh, so, you know, everything's about pressure. And so pressure, when it gets to be too much, it's a real, real bad thing, but also when it gets to be too little, it'd be kind of a bad thing. So,