 science has now proven that that really doesn't work and that what really does work in the long run, sure, you're going to get some behavior, but you're going to see other things happen. It's kind of whack-a-mole. You might get the behavior you were looking at right in the moment because the puppy's scared of you, but what's going to happen in the long run if you're using fear and intimidation is other things are going to happen. Your dog isn't going to feel secure in the world. Your dog is going to end up with anxiety and reactivity and all those things that will later send you to