 um he spent a whole career up there and above the uh what is now i guess the exercise uh place right right behind you actually i can see it right here uh he enjoyed it a great deal and uh those people were all wonderful folks that ran that way back when what did his responsibilities do then what was he like he was the executive vice president okay did a lot of traveling you know back then their bread and butter were uh were surveys regarding um public utilities and uh