 I've come to see life as something that happens at multiple scales, like a cell is not an organism, but a cell is alive. Everybody agrees about that. So why can't we extend that to things that are larger than organisms? That's where the debate really begins is like, below the level of the cell with things like viruses, and then above the level of the organism with things like ecosystems and planets. But I see all of these things now as systems, you know, they're networks of