 Sometimes you actually find there's no crowding and the guy is really pressing on the women and literally I had to stand behind my wife as we do the tawaf and tell people. But I must say this year and last year, since COVID, they have introduced some certain measures. For example, only men wearing the loincloth are allowed to go down to the mataf while we do the tawaf. So that has kind of added some bit of discipline. But comparing what we had in Umrah during the COVID and now, it's not as spiritual as you get it now.