 Well, the UN are very adamant that this is not about recognition. They've said that again and again in the build up to these particular talks. And if you speak to quite a few people here about it, they've said the whole point of these these talks is to start the process that could lead in the direction of eventually getting recognition. But this is very much talks that could lead to more talks that could lead to more talks that could eventually at some stage down the line lead to some form of recognition. And I really feel that that is.