 uh benefits because as the debate went on the personal attacks against biden got harder and harder and that could have an impact on independent voters exactly that's something that they're really hoping swings independent voters um and and one thing the biden campaign is you know really hammering home right now is um they're saying style over uh substance over style that's what they they are saying about the president's performance tonight and they really um want to talk about the contrast and that is something that they think the president was able to do on on all the issues