 But where the instruments come from, it came from the military bands that were so prevalent in those days. So when you think of the instrumentation that's in a lot of jazz, right, it's things like the saxophone, the trumpet, the drums. These were all classical instruments that were being used in military bands in this country at that time. So they were readily available. They were cheap. You could go to a pawn shop, pick up a horn, and then meet your buddies on the street. And we used those instruments and the classical training.