 So I had that experience of being in the same room with this woman hearing her story. I also, previous to that, had the experience of physically being in Dachau as a teenager. So obviously this is years after World War II, but I was there. I was physically in the space. I stood in a gas chamber. I stood in these cells that previous family members of mine perhaps had been in. So there's that physical experience of being in Dachau.