 I'll tell you this, this is not starting pitching dependent, Joe, because it's a bullpen game today. Keep in mind, Giants in an 11 inning game yesterday had to use a ton of pitching. Dodgers scored 7 in the 11th inning yesterday with a 14-7 win. Now Shohei Otani is in the lineup here today, as is Freddie Freeman. There's a couple guys out, obviously we know Mookie Betts has been gone for some time here, but