 nowadays that kind of dedication well a lot of those people i mean unless you were brought up with that old school kind of tradition that kept going on it's weaning out you know unfortunately yeah you have a lot of young people now that they don't look into that too deeply but you still have a few out there they're still teaching those values to their kids and that's great so um there we are we're we're in ohio and as i understand it you were a football dude