 And it's just like the start of his journey. And to me, this episode kind of mirrors that in like an inverse way where it's like Carmen's like, we're going to take it up another level. He's presenting all these non-negotiables and everyone's kind of giving him some resistance. And Marcus is like, you're not crazy. I believe in you. He's like kind of putting the battery back in his back rather than reversing the role to me.