 So here to untangle all of this with us, Josh Cowan. He's professor of education policy at Michigan State University. He's also the author of the upcoming book, The Privateers, How Billionaires Created a Culture War and Sold School Vouchers. Josh, thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. Also with us, Robert Enloe. He's president and CEO of EdChoice. They advocate for school voucher programs nationwide. Robert, welcome to you.