 articulate what and how their policies work and you've got some pretty hefty anything like this before either that's you know because there are two two presidents yeah yeah because there are two presidents and because there there seem to be such dissatisfaction with both candidates on both sides i i also find that very fascinating that both sides say i'm not happy with my choices i think back to the debate that y'all moderated in early 2020 what was one of the biggest headlines coming out of that night well that was like herding cats