 run a conference like the way that norfolk state has i've already done the america east conference review i've once again got vermont number one into my projector finish in the conference even though vermont might not necessarily have the same roster as a brian who has picked up some nice pieces in the transfer portal i think john becker that we trust sort of model john becker is the coach over at vermont he has gotten the team at least a share of the conference title each of the last seven years