 I even wonder if BET feels like they can't decide between those two because they're going to be taking sides in that fight. But we cannot stop this conversation without talking about Usher. He's getting the Lifetime Achievement Award. He's just 45. I was doing some research to see when did he first record his first album? He was only 15. Talk to us quickly about his impact. Oh, my God. Usher's been making music for as long as I can remember.