 And so I do think that we're going to see, is that proximity, is that going to make this more challenging for Trump as he tries to keep it together? Or did he learn some lessons from last time and shows up and sort of behaves himself a little bit? But that's an interesting point you make about talking about getting under their skin, because I think I think in that first debate in 2020, Trump's goal was to try to get under Biden's skin because he was trailing in the polls. And I think most people agree that Trump failed to do so. He even acknowledged that it wasn't a great debate.