 That was Abbas Milani, Director of Iranian Studies Programme at Stanford University. As I say, counting continuing. We'll have updates on that maybe a little bit later on in the programme. German kebab makers are pushing against a Turkish request to grant EU protection to their version of the doner kebab, risking diplomatic spat over the famous dish. Perhaps it's the fault of President Steinmeier, who paid a recent visit to Istanbul with a pillar of doner meat weighing 60 kilograms.