 Brian Higgins-Umbugwa, a director of elections for the governing UDA party in Kenya. Well, for a different perspective on that abandoned Kenyan finance bill, we're joined now by Gathoni Kimuyo, who is a theatre producer and writer and has been demonstrating on the streets of Nairobi since the start of protests against that legislation. Gathoni, welcome. Good morning. Good morning. Thank you for having me. You're very welcome. You just heard the government spokesperson with his perspective on all of this. How do you respond to the points that he made?