 upi for many many years and uh i do about one episode a week and trine day all those great books alluded to that's trine day.com and i helped chris milligan with his podcast the journey where he interviews many of his authors he's published almost 200 books in the last 20 years and at trine day.com people can find chris's podcast i'm kind of like the ed mcmahon on it i introduce people and i