 A business, they were entrepreneurs. One uncle, he had a trucking business where he did demolition and excavating. And he had friends that had their own businesses, black topping, roofing or whatever. So in the summer times, I would never be like, I'll just running around not doing anything. They would have me working with their friends, doing different things. So I learned a lot of different crafts. I was fortunate. I learned a lot of different crafts by being a grunt for these friends of my uncle's.