 taxes would go up, immigration would go up, welfare payments would go up, and Mr Sunak hammered that away again and again and again. Mr Starmer hammered away on the sort of idea that after 14 years of what he said was sort of chaos and instability, declining living standards under the Conservatives, surely it was time for a change. But in many ways, one of the most revealing moments of it came when a member of the audience said, with a sort of sigh in his voice, are you two really the best?