 And then people loved it. And they never said that they were spiritualists, but they would have a talker who would kind of promote that idea. And they toured around the country, and then they went over to England and toured around there. And eventually, a famous magician who was young at the time, John Maskelyne, discovered what they were doing, and he built his own spirit cabinet and started kind of performing the same type of show. So they spawned imitators. And this went on for decades. And by...