 Because that's how that happens. And it still happens today is that they'll train them and they'll kick them out the door and they'll figure it out. Now, if you want to be a designer, it's not a bad place to learn the ropes because you're not on commission. You got an hourly pay and rarely going to get fired for making mistakes. So those are things that all pay off for you to learn. But the problem is you're learning on people's kitchens and you're dealing with