 We're getting easily a half a trillion dollars in the hole for the Ukraine conflict by the time this is done. This is U.S. Senator J.D. Vance of Ohio. He's a Republican, a close ally of Donald Trump, a possible vice presidential nominee, and a deep skeptic of USAID to Ukraine. Here he is talking on a podcast hosted by Steve Bannon, a former Trump administration official. They spoke in December, just weeks after the story came out, at the same time as fraught negotiations over Ukraine were happening in the U.S. Congress.