 you would have this council of Democratic elders who might have to go to the president. We've seen this in politics before. Maybe former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, maybe Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader in the Senate, certainly maybe President Obama, President Clinton, and say, Joe, it's time to go. But again, nobody is getting there yet. But just the fact that there's talk and speculation about who that council of elders might be, that tells me a lot.