 James Goodell, a lawyer who represented the New York Times during the landmark case of the Pentagon Papers. That was as far back as 1972. I'm interested to hear both of your takes on this, because you were both journalists, I think I'm right in saying, by all means correct me if I'm wrong, having moved on to many other things since. Kadri, from you, first of all, this issue of whether Julian Assange was practising journalism here, what do you think? Um...