 So when he looked at me and wanted me to doll it up and get dressed up, it was sort of like old school. Yeah, that was vintage for you. Yeah, that's not so cool. If you're that, you're like trendy, and that wasn't cool. You're a poser. It's too trendy. Well, Des Dickerson leaves the band next. How long was it before, Lisa, you were able to bring Wendy in?