 They're TV stars for the most part. Actors, actresses, you could say they're like that, but they're simply, they're not real to you. Amy Coney Barrett isn't real to me. I've never met her. And I guess because of what I do now, I might end up at the same event and meet her one day. But the chances are I probably will never meet her just like you. I'll probably never meet Brett Kavanaugh. So who is he to me? I've never shaken his hand.