 I began running into folks who were also being a therapist or counselor with some of my students, and I thought, well, that would be kind of cool. And so I kind of went that direction and began getting more training and got a couple more degrees, and here I sit. Leather couch, well, when you're working with kids and teenagers, it's not quite that way. You know, you're trying to connect with them in lots of different ways.