 But there's something that connects them and they're fairly open with each other and curious about each other. And any relationship that's going to work at all, you have to at least have some interest in what the other person thinks and feels. And I think that happens for both of them. Absolutely. So Vicky, as Viggo said, Vivian is also an independent spirit, but she decides to hitch her wagon, so to speak, to Holger.