 that might be helpful to you. And over time, that starts to feel like a more emotional connection. So I think that people, especially young people, are already forming relationships with AIs. And I think that we will see much more of that in the coming years. That's Kevin Roos, technology columnist for The New York Times, talking about his experiment with AI friends. He's also co-host of the Hard Fork podcast. Kevin, nice to talk to you. Thanks so much. Thank you. And you're listening to Here and Now.