 or, in this case, the counting of electoral college votes. It has to be tied to some sort of document destruction. In the case of former President Donald Trump, who's also charged with obstruction, Notre Dame law professor Derek Muller. For other rioters, right, they were physically present. They were interfering. Some of them were grabbing documents or whatever it might be in the floor of Congress. It's going to be much, much harder, I think, for the government to make that case or that showing with Trump.