 He told me stories, crazy stories of how a certain person was off doing something. A person does framing, for example, in a housing. And these guys were hanging sheetrock. And they came into the room and there were some two-by-fours and some plywood leaning against a wall. They weren't allowed to even touch it. And so the guy who did that work came back from getting coffee. So they said, sit down and just wait. So they just milked their hours. And it's not like it used to be.