 On a topic like abortion, which we know motivates young people to turn out, that message was muddy, Michelle. It wasn't, yes. It isn't something he seems to really like talking about. His record might be one thing, but whether he wants to talk about it or not. We'll talk about being on message. Both Joe and Jack very much were, as one would expect, because they're living in this space as advocates. But what are you hearing on the road? I'm interested in what you're hearing when you kind of go out and talk to voters who don't perhaps pay as much time.