 I mean, look, the governor of Arizona, Katie Hobbs, she just said, I'm not even debating. I'm just going to win. I'm not going to debate. Thanks a lot. And it worked. And Trump in the primary. I'm not going to debate. I'm just going to win. Thanks a lot. And it worked. So do debates really matter? I don't know. We'll see. I think they matter if you don't know very much. If we didn't have two incumbents effectively running, I think it would matter. But...