 If one of the candidates or the other attempted to interrupt, as happened in the debate between these two men in 2020, they wanted to be on the right side podium. I mean, they basically set the rules here. And in the end, the great irony is that some of those rules seem to have basically helped Donald Trump. It improved his performance that he couldn't talk over Biden when Biden was supposed to be speaking, that he couldn't interrupt. And also, it was part of the rules that the CNN moderators,