 So to a large extent, I'm with you on this. I share all of that. But I think there's a sympathetic way of reading what Dennett says. There's a kind of frustrating thing that happens with Dennett, which is you read some of the rhetoric that he uses around some of his most controversial positions. And you feel like it's clear that he's wrong. And then you talk to him about it. And he's actually, I mean, what you end up with at the end of the conversation is a much more reasonable view.