 After it came out, you could see him on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS. If you like public radio, you could have heard him on NPR or WHYY's Fresh Air. It spawned a movie adaptation. So what propelled this interest in this book back in 2016 that led Vance to where he is now? Meredith McCarroll is a writer and co-edited the essay collection responding to Hillbilly Elegy titled Appalachian Reckoning. And she joins us now. Hey, Meredith.