 you realize that it's really about a whole set of underlying drivers that are pushing people towards that ideology. And by underlying drivers, what I mean by that is maybe an experience of trauma in their past, maybe an experience of violence in their past even, maybe an experience of a broken family, something that has led them desiring a community or a sense of belonging. Maybe it's that they're grappling with feelings of being left behind, not understanding and not being able to cope with how society is changing around them.