 Philosophy Talk is a presentation of KALW Local Public Radio San Francisco Bay Area and the trustees of Leland Stanford Junior University. Copyright 2024. Our executive producer is Ben Trefny. The senior producer is Devin Strolovich. Laura McGuire is our director of research. Thanks also to Pedro Jimenez, Merle Kessler, and Angela Johnston. Support for Philosophy Talk comes from various groups at Stanford University and from subscribers to our online community of thinkers.