 and they were never to gain it back. And as we get to 2024, the Stanleys are retired, the Newmans are in their 60s. It's not like anything anyone is going to do now and in the future is going to change the experience they had of the American dream, which is that it was impossible for them. But it was not for lack of trying. That's for sure. If you heard Tony in that clip, he had gone out and retrained. And first of all, there was a lot of taxpayer dollars involved.