 And yeah, with the toes spread apart. And there are, so certainly when you look at an athletic shoe, there are different levels of thickness and different levels of minimalist, you know, aspect to the shoe. There are different levels of heel drop, meaning, you know, the heel, the ratio between the heel and the front of the shoe. Some shoes are zero drop and some shoes have a higher heel, meaning they're four millimeters or eight millimeters or 10 millimeters.