 the really insidious NDIS that cast members have to sign. Because part of the problem with those is that, yeah, for justice reasons, they shouldn't be mistreated. But part of the problem, from my perspective, is I think reality TV is very interesting. So I'd like people to know how it's made. Emily Nussbaum is staff writer at The New Yorker and author of the book Cue the Sun, The Invention of Reality TV. Emily, this has been fascinating. Thanks for the conversation.