 Also with us, Kate Anderson Brower, author of First Women, The Grace and Power of America's Modern First Lady. Katie, Kate, thanks for joining us today. Remember, the 1A podcast is a great way to catch up on anything you might have missed. It's where you'll find our best guests and stories each day. Today's producer was Michelle Harvin. This program comes to you from WAMU, part of American University in Washington, distributed by NPR. I'm Jen White. Thanks for listening. We'll talk again tomorrow. This is 1A.