 That is not dependent on the kind of prisons and the kind of policing that we have constructed in our contemporary society, which in some ways stand in the way of the conversation that we need to be having. Our politicians should stop saying, oh, we're going to be really tough on the people who rape, murder and rob you. They need to start talking about what are we going to do to create a world where there is no rape, where there is no murder, where there is no robbery.