 where I was bringing up Cloward and Piven, and even the New York Times. I always knew when we were right about something, when everybody attacked, and everybody attacked this poor, helpless woman, Frances Fox Piven, who's just a sweet grandlady. Well, yeah, but she was also teaching at one of the most radical colleges in the country, and she was still preaching Cloward and Piven, the strategy to collapse America,