 top of my resume for for decisions all time uh it didn't necessarily turn out but i mean like i think it's a rational argument yeah that pragmatism is real yeah it's not it's not all just people folding for their own personal benefits sometimes you have to do these things yeah you know sometimes i it's not where i stand on it but i do understand why people yes are there you know i've talked to yes you know real conservatives who really think like look they they