 So do you think ultimately it's ambition that drives J.D. Vance? It's ambition that defines J.D. Vance? I think that that's true of a lot of people in politics. But the question when I've had a chance to interview politicians, I always ask them is, what is the issue over which you'd be willing to lose? If you had to give up your career, what is it that would make you give up your career? And as ambitious as people are, they usually do have some line, something they won't do.