 Who were they? And in the same way, I think that Vandaler had a tough row to hoe. They absolutely did, too, because they had to dot all their I's and cross their T's or their court cases would be thrown out. And at the same time, in order to do that, it took a lot of manpower and a lot of hours. And it seems like it became, or at least the way you characterize it, overly bureaucratic.