 40 but this is the first millennial right and so also if you're just thinking about sort of the visuals on stage you want someone that's also a little younger if that's sort of what you're trying to think again and get this enthusiasm out do you think Shapiro from Pennsylvania you think Shapiro has appeal outside of his home of Pennsylvania Rust Belt Michigan Wisconsin like you mentioned the the the cell on JD Vance is that he's supposed to have appeal across the Rust Belt I'm not sure how important that really is do you think Shapiro does