 And she said, if you want to have a career in the theater. And I said, well, I do. And she said, now, I don't mean television and movies. I'm talking about the, I said, yes, Carol, I don't enjoy making movies. I don't really enjoy television as a medium for what I do. I like to do it on stage with the real audience. She said, well, if you want to do that, then you must tour around.