 And they're kind of like obvious when you're looking at the like, I imagine if you're looking at the face of like an enslaved person who's being hurt in your home, you can just see that there's a problem here. So one way we could understand Floresta is not as having really a grand philosophical, like theoretical project, but it's having a very practical set of projects that she's just using the best available tools for. Do you think that that's a good description of her? Do you think that's selling her short?