 On our website, you can also find out more about everyone we talk to and find more episodes of Embodied. You can always also catch the show as a podcast. Today's episode is produced by Kaya Finlay and edited by Amanda Magnus. Paige Miranda also produces for our show. Jenny Lawson is our technical director. This program is recorded at the American Tobacco Historic District. North Carolina Public Radio is a broadcast service of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. I'm Anita Rao.