 So were you a conservative then? Yes, I was. I grew up a conservative in Indiana. Then how did that work, working for someone that you didn't necessarily agree with? I agreed with him. Did you? Okay, all right. No, Jack was a very conservative guy. Oh, was he? Okay, okay, gotcha. So you were on the same side. Yes. Okay, all right, got it. And I met a lot of the guys there. And this was the early days of cable. And so one of the tenants in there was a guy by the name of Bob Magnus who had a company called TCI.