 And so when people ask that question, it's more illegitimate of both candidates. Amid questions after a halting debate, President Biden meets with Democratic governors in a closed White House meeting. Many of you have covered it. You know I'm a poor debater and you've seen it happen. But I think the question is, how does that impact how the country runs? How does it impact what an election looks like? And again, it's about the differences and the buy-ins.