 he's drawn lines in the sand before he drew one to vladimir putin who stepped over it i mean the point is joe can give a great line and he can give a defiant statement but he doesn't seem to have the oomph to kind of back it up um and i think that's what we have to understand is is all the atmospherics you can issue a great statement a defiant statement you can get on a phone call as he did with democrats today and say i'm staying nobody's going to push me out