 or any kind of wood into a smoldering smokiness that really flavors of food, or you set it on fire. So what I like to do is I'll take my charcoal chimney, get it going, fill it up with some charcoal, get it going, and then I'll take and dump it in the middle. And once I do that, I'll take a good size, whether it's hickory, apple, whatever wood you want to,