 and that's going to be unpleasant whatever form that takes maybe you're a little old school like my parents in that form involves an oak paddle that was made for your mother by one of the elders in the church to quote save you from the devil that's true story about me by the way so maybe you got your rear end paddled maybe it's a timeout maybe you took his iPhone away for an hour I don't know it doesn't matter what it is but it was unpleasant for the one being disciplined wasn't it well we have a society chock-full