 There would be times when we'd be in the car, we'd be in the beast, in the motorcade, or we'd be on Air Force One, I'd be in the office, and we'd be talking about, I don't know, something. And he had, something about Congress, you know, I'd mentioned that, you know, I'm trying to deal with this issue on the Hill or whatever. And he would say, I'm tired of dealing with them. And quite frankly, that's how we ended up with the Department of Homeland Security. He was, post 9-11, he was tired of dealing with Congress about whether or not to create a Department of Homeland Security.