 eight a.m they needed to get their chores done and so um they started at noon and then they kind of shifted back to 10 a.m so that's the same story coop had josh so it's all lining up now i'm going with that one hey what's the most common mistake or violation that you see when you check hunters in the field uh for pheasant hunting specifically um you know we have some over bag stuff going on but the biggest one for pheasants is probably road hunting violations um people