 and don jr was my brother's year in new york he went away to boarding school ivanka went away to boarding school too so they kind of left the city for high school but in uh you know primary school so or grammar school seventh eighth grade uh you know we would occasionally bump into each other and i knew eric when he was like you know a little kid maybe i guess he's how much younger is he than us i forget how old he is he's maybe 35 does that sound right