 Um, so Mike, I mean, I'm, I'm experiencing that for my own, uh, you know, extended family, what they're seeing out there. I'm just wondering to what degree also when you're, you know, you're the CEO of micro works foundation, you're encouraging young people to go into this, but you know, entrepreneurship, small business ownership. I mean, it's been my experience from people. I know some of whom have become very successful business owners that a lot of them start by working for a business in the trades.