 Okay. So I don't know what the, I don't know what the meaning with that comment that she made or he made in the store. However, water-based stains have more difficulty biting onto the finish. So you would have to clean it. And then I would use a deck brightener or a wood brightener, which is an oxalic acid, which opens up the pores of the cedar. And then you apply the stain and, and,