 And then rotating back 20, 40, 60, 80, whatever it is. Okay, that's actually a new concept for me. I wasn't aware of that. I do know that people are saying that there's some kind of secret base on Mars. I don't know anything about that, I have to say. Well, I guess it's a zero on both of them. All right, well, thank you very much. Yeah, I apologize. I apologize. I really wanted to make you happy, Jeff. Thank you, Jeff. Ingo died on 2013, didn't he?