 So prior to that, I had done some gold spur work, which is the in-kind donations and cash donations part of the Stampede. And so I did a lot of concrete work out there prior to actually becoming a Wrangler and then going on the committee. But when Debbie decided to become a Stampede writer, I decided I needed something to do out there. So I talked to Harold Evans, and he said, yes, I'm going to put you to work.