 It was working with Bud Hopkins, and I knew Bud, but more so David Jacobs. And so I went to talk to him about that, and for some reason the conversation went to life after death. And this was a long time ago, which was weird because that's really kind of his thing, isn't it? Is that his biggest question, and is that how all this came about? Well, I think it's one of the biggest questions, isn't it?