 converting to Christianity. And she had a conversation with Richard Dawkins and said, who still poo-poos religion. He thinks it's just sky magic, made-up nonsense. And she said, you know, we've done a disservice by belittling faith and turning people away from it because what is replacing it? You know, we've got high levels of anxiety, you know, mental illness, unhappiness, suicide, drug addiction. And so to get to your point...