 Where are you coming from? Why do you believe what you believe? And at the end of it, I realized, OK, you're not a monster. And she realized I'm not a monster. And that was my deepest fears. I was afraid I'd go in and I would be judged for being a hater or a monster. But the way they facilitated it, we had to listen to each other. And that that you said, Dave, you can't hate up close. You really can't.