 Um, they had like a stake, um, you know, kind of holding it up or attached to it. And I asked him about that. I said, you know, I always heard, I think I heard it from you, Howard, that that's a bad idea because then the tree doesn't learn to stand up on its own and, or keep itself up. Uh, it doesn't, um, get stronger. And he, and he said, well, but if,