 And you can understand that, right? In other words, what you just described, that many churches, they don't know where to go with this. They don't know what to do with this. It just makes them uncomfortable. And so they're not saying to somebody struggling with this, we know how to help you, or we have some ideas about how to help you. They just avoid it. Or they participate, as we said, with this worldly view of bullying. In other words, it's