 It was his first time on coast, and he was a little bit scared. Maybe I shouldn't say scared, but he was a little bit nervous, anxious about it. And so he said he wouldn't go on unless I was on with him. He wasn't very media savvy, was he? Not really. He didn't even have, he was never connected to the Internet. He had a, well, a friend, a student associate, I won't name his name because he prefers to be private, but