 And so he's been through it all, and he's led his girls to several NCAA championships. They won the women's in NIT a few years ago. But we were talking about the rivalry and how it used to be more intense back in the day because USD fans would throw baby carrots at the SDSU fans, and then SDSU fans would throw a dead coyote onto the floor. So I got to kind of pick his brain about those types of things. So it was really cool to get to talk to him.