 four or five names out there if you want to give them to people michelle obama is always like the top of the list the dream for the democrats but there are others as well who again they may not get through the same process but if they can figure out economically how to utilize the resources that the democrats have raised for the biden harris ticket um i think they they may be well enough uh well known enough and then they didn't they didn't take any punches either remember so