 you know physical phenomena like the pineal gland and stuff like that um and you know which is also called the third eye and so but that's also a place where there's a chakra right there right the third eye and so so we realized that so what is it is it the physical is it the intersection of the chakra with the physical and can you do this without the chakra at all without the pineal gland at all in other words is the mind can have these experiences like if you have a