 Whenever somebody says, hey, you probably don't have time, but I have a quick story. My response always is, I got all the time in the world. Take as much time as you need. And he didn't do it once. Like I said, he could spin every answer into an anecdote. It's such a good lesson. It goes beyond, I always say, there aren't great interviews. They're just great conversations. That's not even a conversation, man. That's just me sitting back. That's all of us sitting back.