 Anyway, and then to go on, well, obviously, the idea that all men are created equal and the tension with slavery, TJ was more than aware of that. His private correspondents show him over and over again saying, we have a huge problem and we don't know how to fix it. Let's keep working at it. The idea that the founding fathers loved slavery and founded the country to preserve it and the rest of it is an insidious lie and could not be less true.