 you're never going to be able to retire because you're doing the wrong stuff. And so what happens is your plan never works. And you get to be 60, 65 years of age, and you're listening to the radio show. You go, I've listened to this guy, Del, for 30 years now. And over the last 30 years, it's always interesting to listen to him rant and rave and whatever, but I didn't really believe him. And then you find out the truth.