 and uh... man that conversation with jim jordan great get buyer executive producer mike hanson somewhat redeem redeeming himself from having dropped the ball on speaker of the house but it's one of the great stumblings of my life he was in with a couple feet of you oh yeah oh yeah could have just shouted questions as long as you're talking into a mic uh... no anyway so that was fun great conversation uh... interesting guy intense woo let's see what the headlines are with uh... katie