 Very good. A solid passer for a big man. He's not a center, but he's a big man. He can shoot. He was the MVP of the Adriatic League back in 2014 in their Final Four. He had 23 points, 11 rebounds, 7 assists. Now, again, that was like 10 years ago. But it just shows you that he had that ability. He's been a role-playing type player since then. But it...