 And candidly, whether it's hiking or traveling in a different way, whatever it may be, often the journey is about the people we meet and the connections that we make. So talk about some of the people that you met along the way, Kevin. Well, the most important thing is that Pete and I got in so far over our heads that on the first segment of this journey, we were spanked so badly that we had to give up. We had to crawl out of the canyon, retreat back to Flagstaff with our tails between our legs,