 comes to spare, and I think when people are in despair, that's when they look up and, you know, surrender and maybe pray and ask for something greater than themselves to come into their lives. I mean, some people, secular humanists, you know, some people feel they've escaped fundamentalism, they've escaped the Church, and it was a bad experience for them, and they, you know, they thrive. They find a way to survive in the world without religion, without faith,