 But he was supposedly carrying a rangefinder and a backpack. And I still want to know if he actually had a ladder with him. So he has this rangefinder, which I guess is something that you would recognize if you're... No, the Secret Service said that they were looking at him looking at them. They're looking at him through their rangefinder, and he's looking back at them with his rangefinder. And that didn't get him stopped.