 We did. We talked about my first discussion. We actually talked about abortion without ever losing our minds. Oh, my gosh. Yes. I was so blown away that we went there. But StoryCorps encourages you to go there in a way that you're not trying to change each other's opinions, but you're trying to see where are you coming from? Why do you believe what you believe? And at the end of it, I realized, OK, you're not a monster. And she realized I'm not a monster. And that was my deepest fears.