 It depends on how you look at things. Is it about making money? Because bottom line is, that's what it's all about. Earlier on the show, Jaguars linebacker Joshua Hines-Allen. ESPN NBA reporter Dave McMenamin. Coming up, co-founder of the Men in Blazers media network, Roger Bennett. And now, it's Rich Eisen. That's right. Hour number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. We just hung up on a... Did you say hung up with Zooms?