 we can make both kinds of mistakes. And so I've heard this story over and over of people who just thought, well, I've got no option. So I'm going to go into the arms of those who will welcome me and who will tell me I'm not a bad person. And of course, that's not exactly the solution either. So what happened to you while you were in LA during those years? We've just got 30 seconds in this segment, but just start us on this conversation of your journey.