 And people don't always appreciate that's a very tactical conversation for us that we found success as a result of having. It wasn't, I was just sort of morphed and I didn't know what she expected and she didn't know what I expected. We were very deliberate and we were very succinct in what we did and how we rolled out. We also rolled out our roles and responsibilities in that so that we felt a little bit of ownership around what we brought to the table.