 but I think you can agree that when we were talking to the lady, she was sound like she had tried an awful lot of things. She was exasperated. And sometimes it's just, you know, I don't know what kind of trap she was using. There's also a little strangle trap that they, they use, but, uh, got our moles with, uh, just a regular cage trap. And we were getting them all the time. Craig, welcome. Hi, Gary. Um, another one, what may be less dramatic than shooting them, but, um,