 And it's kind of a shame they have two top 15 players in the league, arguably, and they're a play-in team year in and year out. He trashed the play-in four years ago, and every year that the play-ins existed, the Lakers are in the play-in every single season. It is kind of funny because he wasn't with it. No, the play-in has been good for him. Exactly. Even the year they got to the conference finals, he was in the play-in.