 safe once again strong once again great once again there was a lot of things that the convention had to offer and there was a significant amount of moving parts so even when you get to the speakers if you're attending it you've already had a full day well i think that's really key and you know by the way this convention fest that you're talking about from what we've seen dozens and dozens of exhibitors you know the food and drink vendors you're talking about people selling merchandise all the other that goes into it and by the way did you know the cheese curds clearly i don't think you can go to milwaukee and not have those but