 At a much deeper level. In other words, to look below the surface. You know what I mean? I remember Rebecca and we went water skiing one time or whatever it was. We were on a boat and she was on a little knee board. That's what it was. And she was so afraid. We were in the river. And it's a big wide river and it's probably 15 or 20 feet deep. But she was so afraid of what was below.