 On an elite team, maybe he's a second-line center, but he can be a first-line center on a really good team. You can go to the conference final with him as your first-line center. Look at what just happened against the Florida Panthers this year. If you have Elias Lindholm as your first-line center instead of Pavel Zaka, that series might be a little bit different. You went six games and you only scored more than two goals once.