 of how this all works last night, um, uh, Matt Gates was on with Tim pool and, uh, you know, you get a pretty good understanding of a person when they spend two hours talking, you can't, you know, a lot of politicians are, they're soundbite type people and they come in and they give a soundbite and that's all you know about them. And that's it. You know, it's a soundbite.