 Let me make a couple calls. So he knew a guy that worked for Cody Perfume, which was in New Haven. Okay. And they had this packaging that was like legs pantyhose kind of, you know, that comes in the egg. Yes. Yes, I do remember. Wow. But this was a ball that you could pop apart. So he had a whole bunch of these pieces of packaging. And every night they'd try a couple different designs. And during the daytime, my dad and his buddies would go and try these things.