 Alan Kazooch is speaking there to Julius Awaiyama from Haki U2 organisation. Africa Eye asked the Kenyan police to comment on issues raised in this programme, but they failed to respond. For more on this issue, you can watch Africa Eye's Cry Witch, Take My Land, Take My Life on BBC Africa's YouTube page, or listen to a longer version of the podcast by searching for BBC Africa Daily, wherever you get your podcasts from.