 of those kinds of people. And I could just like, every time I went to a meeting or went to a conference in YPO, it was just this masterclass that I took back, learned from and put it to work in our business. But then I got involved in the leadership of YPO itself. So it's chapter organization. So I led my chapter, then I led my region in the United States. Then I joined the global board of directors and became the chairman in 2016 and 17 and traveled around the world.