 Matt from Fairfield. Hi, Matt. Welcome to the show. You're on the air with Wayne Winston and myself. Hello, Lisa and Wayne. Happy Wednesday. Happy Wednesday. I'm listening to this conversation, and I'm thinking that the card that's on the table is asking a question. And it first starts off by saying we can create all the barriers we want that distinguish between right and wrong. But at the end of the day, they mean nothing if there isn't a consequence that the child finds he has to respect because he's