 Um, when we just got to talking, uh, there were so many, so many, um, really meaningful connections. He, uh, uh, for starters, he's from New Jersey. I grew up in New Jersey after leaving Minnesota. Um, so we hit it off on that front. Um, and not, you don't meet too many people from Bayonne, New Jersey and sitting in Muscatine, Iowa. Um, and then, uh, working in the world of, uh,