 How did he become that? Because he's not out of Chicago, right? Well, he was flying into and out of Chicago every week while he was working his way up at Morgan. And so every Thursday night he had a regular dinner at Charlie Trotter's. And then from there, it just grew into this thing where they would travel together. They ran marathons together. I mean, they were as close of friends as one could have, you know, and I think Charlie, from my understanding, really got a kick out of the.