 believed in engaging conversations. When I would go to visit her when she was in the States in Tulsa, she would go every morning for her coffee. It was her ritual. She just absolutely loved going to a couple of her different jaunts. And she took interest in the people that served her. It wasn't just a server. She wanted to get to know them. She wanted to know what was happening in their lives and how they were doing. And, you know, she was engaging.