 And I think that's where there's so many of these like unintended arguments of socialism and capitalism today where we might have the same end goal, but we're miscommunicating how to get there. And socialism was such a naughty word for generations. Now it's like it's in vogue. And for better or worse, I don't think people really know what it means. Fascinating stuff. All right. We'll be back with Brian Cadena in our third segment. Stay with Business Talk with Jim Campbell.