 OK, I've heard this one pick one and we'll have an argument. But you can't do both. No, you're talking about I mean, people would call when I in years gone by when I said, why don't we just stop all this CPP stuff? Let them survive on their own like we do without government funding and without a bias. And they said, oh, no, no, they couldn't survive without it. I said, oh, so you're saying that that without it, without government funding, they wouldn't exist. That means they're government funded. No, no.