 Remember, we first got into national debt for the first time, I believe it was during the FDR administration. Before that, we take on debt when we're in a recession. We pay it off in the good times, kind of like a credit card. But starting with FDR and some of those programs, we never got out of debt again. And it's gone up with every administration, whether Democrats, whether Republicans, even recently, right? Yes, President Biden.