 fighting with each other to try to get on to one of the Sunday shows so that they knew Trump would be listening to them. Because if they got in the Oval Office or in the meeting room with him, you know, good luck to get him to listen. But if you were on the television, he was very much fixated with what people had to say there. And many people, of course, got their jobs by kind of selection from what they were saying on Fox News, but then quickly soured on him when they got into government.