 Um, then I went to seminary. I studied to be a, believe it or not, a Russian Orthodox priest. That's where my first graduate degree was in. And then I went on to start my doctoral work in ancient philosophy and I did not finish it. So I did not finish my PhD. And it was really this switch at that moment when I was stepping into the family business where my ed, I kind of say it's when my education stopped and my learning began and education is super important. I love all of that.