 denies the meaningful interiority of other creatures. And I think that, you know, that's part of what makes Darwin so special is that that he pushed back against that. And there were others like him at that time, too. And there was sort of this brief flowering, you know, towards the latter half of the 19th century, early of 20th century, when animal intelligence was embraced by a great many scientists. And then there was a backlash to that. And, you know, I think