 that people in some cases are just checking out from politics. And I know you think that that is not necessarily the best thing for our democracy. So, Sean Scanlon, I'm curious on a broad level where we are right now in terms of our political polarization, in terms of our political engagement. Is there something we can do in this election cycle that could sort of stop what seems to be a spiral towards just more polarization and if not polarization, just general apathy?