 And so, yes, we've made progress, but boy, there's a long way to go. Yeah, certainly. Well, Gary, I appreciate that we at least even can have the conversation about it. And this is the thing that I think sometimes is lacking is when we can't have an open discussion, even if we can't fully agree on something or whatever the case. I think it's important that we're even just like talking about it and seeing all sides of the conversation. So I appreciate that you are always willing to do that here on the show.