 nato and on the european union so i mean it's not like they're saying we don't like biden we want him to go they just don't think he's up to it they increasingly think he's going to lose and so what they're asking is what's the state of play what's going to happen is he going to step down who's going to make him do it if he does step down who's going to be there i mean this has become you'd think it would be all about ukraine and all about nato but i mean the reality is the united states is the linchpin of nato and if they can't count on the us they've got a very serious problem