 um, laid very low with, um, at least in terms of making public statements about it. Um, certainly she hasn't laid low in terms of making public appearances, but, um, she's stayed very quiet. She pleaded the fifth amendment, I think 70 times, uh, during this ballot trial, uh, last fall. Uh, but her husband had plenty to say, and he was, uh, eager to talk. Um,