 with Joe Biden, with the president. He may think, and in the end, people may say in the party, they may throw their arms up in the air and say, what the heck? If he wins, it's Kamala pretty soon. If he loses, Kamala, the vice president, Madam Harris, is not scathed for 2024. And again, understand something. No matter who wins, nothing's going to get done legislatively.