 musicians like, I can't speak for a Kip, but musicians like, like her will go there because that's where you, that's a place you meet, you make connections. And, and that's, that's what happened for Donald when he went there, he got his master's degree there and they set him up with work. And, uh, uh, so it, you know, for, for whatever you learn or don't learn there, uh, uh,