 Before we go, this goes back to the self-indulgent part of the question. I forgot that Dern worked in Support Your Local Sheriff, and he's got a very poignant story about James Garner. And it says a lot about Dern, and it also captures the essence of who Garner was. It's like a throwaway line, but it says a lot. It has to do with Garner asking him for lunch.