 But myself, I grew up in West Virginia as a coal miner son. I actually was going to be a coal mining engineer at one point. And one thing that I found out during that period of time that not having a job or being laid off and being on food stamps and that whole life event, and that's what I'm going to call it because that's what it is when you don't have a job. It's a life event because your whole life changes, right?