 And I learned, which I did not know, that there was the equivalent of a witness protection program in prison, which is you're still in prison, but they don't list you in the prison. It's not public. So I couldn't find the person. So I spent weeks and weeks trying to find this ghost prisoner. And then eventually I got somebody in the government to tell me where he was. And so I called up the prison and I said, I'd like to meet with, I think his name was Thompson, and I'd like to meet with him.