 So talking to Ria, I started to realize that we were both speaking English, but we weren't really speaking the same language when it came to family. Okay, so for instance, like if you were to fall right now, and I come and I pick you up and bring you by my house, I didn't put you there because I love you. She would use terms like family people. And I think her idea of what a relationship is was more expansive than mine. But you're going to remember what I did when I pick you up. So that's the way it was with Clarence and Lisa.