 um, is, is rough to handle. And, uh, you know, it makes it uncomfortable. I know for people like you and your volunteers to see the animals uncomfortable, that's a great, uh, advancement there. Now, as you're talking with other, um, uh, colleagues, uh, in the area, cause you've been doing this for, for quite a while, are you, um, are you finding out that, uh, you know, you're all still sort of in the same boat in terms of, uh,