 they require that the national public radio people buy from them certain things. So it's somewhere between 20 and 30% of, uh, the money. And of course, how much they get because it's government funded, uh, from other people or from corporations. Uh, it's evidently a very significant part of what they do. But the idea is that if they didn't have the money, no one, if they didn't have the government money, no one would, uh,