 a ring man or prize fighter. They didn't like that combination, the fight bands and the sports writers. They said, we don't need students in the ring. We need scrappers. And Dad was a classical fighter, and he tended to not knock people out and into the 10th row, you know. He tended to act like a swordsman or a fencer in the ring, finding his openings and lunging and then backing off quickly before anybody could hit him.