 affect them more markedly than i do i think hartenstein's a tough guy to lose offensive boards you know he's got that little lofty shot you know he'll block some shots but he's a beast on the boards and he defends and he's just a he's just a guy that he's a nice role player and you know the bigs are the bigs right i mean we all know about the swing guys we know about the point guards it's sometimes those guys that fill gaps on defense block shots or if not block shots alter shots those are