 They were, and we haven't talked much about Rose today. Maybe another thing that I think is worth saying here that surprised me in terms of one of your early questions is the degree to which Rose Kennedy is, I think, very important in Jack's development. But Jack is more like her in personality, and Bobby is more like the father in personality. And that's an interesting difference between them. But yes, eight and a half year age difference means that when they're little...