 perhaps safer than the U.S. Treasury bills, which you see right now there's a little bit of risk attached because of the debt ceiling issue. But it really is a stock that not only is totally safe, but you're going to earn a good return. I told you he's done that 19.8. He's not going to continue to do that because it's so big. But if he did 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, that is still going to approach double the market