 you know, other individuals that might hold a different perspective and put your ideas on the table and find that common ground. It's oftentimes not on a phone or through a Zoom. It's face to face. Right. At the table, working it through and saying, wait a second, you said something. What if we go in this direction? Right. And you can move, literally move a conversation more when you see what's actually the body language of what's going on.