 And I remember him telling me the story. He sat down at the table. They arrived all the way from Indonesia and cold, cold Finland. And he said to them, OK, right. If you're coming here to talk about independence, you're wasting my time. You can leave right now because the most I'm going to offer you is autonomy. And if you don't like it, you can go back. And they stood up and they walked out of the talks. And then the next day they came back. He had laid it out clear from the very first day. And they did reach a deal.