 I don't have a lot of interaction with him. This is a pretty senior cabinet secretary. So, and this was two years ago. This is, this is one of those, you know, it's the classic open secrets, a nonversation, right? It's the story everybody knows. And no one was, everybody was afraid to talk about, but guess what? Democrats are no better here. They are no better on this front because it, it, it looks like they're putting essentially party over country and