 But in this case, apparently this person was wondering what the heck is going on here. And here's Chuck Todd talking about a cabinet member who's basically said, and I'll let you listen to this. It runs about 90 seconds, who basically said Joe Biden was out of it two years ago. Jonathan, I don't want to out. I'm not going to out the cabinet secretary. But I had a cabinet secretary two years ago. OK, two years ago.