 And we had a conversation on the phone today just to get him to, he wanted to see what my thoughts were, I wanted to see what his thoughts were. And at the end of the phone call, we felt we are in a good place to help each other in a way where he felt comfortable with me, I felt comfortable with him. Because Dave, when I'm talking to someone, yes, they're evaluating me, but I'm also evaluating them because I'm at a phase of life where I love helping people, but I love helping the right people.