 if you're going to do things in a group you know like have that sort of like mindset um i will also say as an educator i do think that it's very important for young people to get outside so i try to encourage them but i try to make it as like easy you know and like not like you know we're not going to be out here like you know like starting fires and like fishing with sticks and stuff and you know we're not going to be doing something we can we can do that but we're going easy into it first and kind of like having that sort of like ease into um relationship to nature