 is quite a bit younger than me. And so conceding to him much of anything is not something that I like doing. And so he had gotten way on board with the Ramsey business and was drinking the Kool-Aid and, and, uh, uh, way down the road. And I was hemming and hawing and hedging, and he would just make these little comments, a shout out to Carl Giesing. Um, and he, uh, and he would say things like, well, that's okay. You don't have to do it, but someday I'll be