 And in his view, he won. That was a terrific nature of the brilliance of his campaign, as he even says this in that interview. And he just wants to deny that there'd been any interference in the moment. So he doesn't want to be shown up in front of Putin. It just becomes one of these embarrassing episodes. Let me ask you this, the final minute of this segment. Putin's obviously been behind extrajudicial killings on the ground in the UK. Magnitsky was in Russia. But why does the West have no response?