 And then when I went into law enforcement, I was trained as a defender. And later on went into contracting where I was doing threat assessments and taking both of those mindsets. And then when I got into the FBI, I used that not only in an investigative way, but when I was running the special events unit in New York for the FBI, doing the threat assessments, doing the logistics, the operations orders, and functioning as the on-scene coordinator in all these major events.