 like Maude as example. I knew she had to be there for her reasons and stuff and I had to get to know her and that was a bit of a struggle because she's not really a very nice person. So it took a bit more work for me to get to know her and feel comfortable in her company. Mr James, young Mr James, yes I had to get to know him and I had to get him to grow a bit as well because he was quite a young, well in my terms, young,