 even though he doesn't represent a state forgive me that matters in terms of a swing state yeah i think it's still very possible because these independently minded voters are very much paying attention every day and i think he can have mass appeal sylvia reena shaw that andy beshear has appealed because he turns red counties blue talk to us a little bit about him his reputation in deep red kentucky and whether he might be a good pick in that way even though he's not going to flip kentucky for her