 And honestly, I couldn't sit on a cushion to meditate for two or three minutes. I couldn't last that long. I went running out of the meditation hall and he just sat there and kept meditating. So that's when I knew I needed help. And that's when I started slowly and steadily, short time, many times, dropping these moments of awareness into my life and eventually get to the point that I'm able to go on meditation retreats and that sort of thing.