 And Donald Trump. So it'll be tense, just as all presidential debates are. But as we've mentioned, there are many things that are making this particular presidential debate different, not only the commission's lack of involvement, but the rules of engagement here with the cutting off of microphones, with the lack of a live audience, also with the fact that it's taking place in not only a swing state, but a state in which one of the candidates on the stage has been indicted.