 that moment when you had this group of kind of greybeards uh... from politics broadly who thought about how to do this without commercials and to do it without uh... one particular networker broadcaster have a responsibility for this as i said at the top uh... cns in print is all over this this is certainly a big moment for them and uh... the cd of the network has said that he he really admires what that first televised debate looked like back uh... in nineteen sixty between kennedy and nixon it was was pared down uh... it was