 you know, move forward almost a decade in 2019, when Assange is charged during the Trump years under the Espionage Act, it cast a pall over journalistic outlets, which had both drawn upon what he had done, but also felt that some of the wording and phrasing meant maybe they could be charged under that too. And so to that question of journalism, Assange called himself editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks. In your view, was he a journalist?