 Kennedy got together in that studio with Kennedy looking great, taking makeup beforehand, and Nixon with the five o'clock shadow and sweating. He had just gotten out of the hospital. Substantively, that was a pretty good debate. People say if you listened, Nixon won. But just the image of JFK, you know, in a lot of people's minds gave him the win. But a lot of people don't realize before 1960, this really didn't happen at all, did it?