 McKay Coppins is a staff writer at The Atlantic, which published his report, What Europe Fears. McKay, it's always nice to speak with you. Thank you for making the time. Thank you. You can find us on Facebook and Instagram and subscribe to our podcast wherever you get your podcast by searching for KERA Think. Or if you prefer, go to our website and listen at think.kera.org. Again, I'm Chris Boyd. Thanks for listening. Have a great day.