 abortion and abortion rights is likely to come up here as well. I think we're going to see kind of in this 90-minute format a lot of bombast, I think, is to be expected. Again, a lot of attention is going to be paid to the style of the debate. I think there will be kind of flints of substance that come up as well. And I think for each of these candidates' campaigns, they want to have some elements of that come through. Again, that Democratic strategist I spoke with said in this day and age,