 better feelings than I expected, kind of this connection to her, connection to who she was, and a kind of, maybe for the first time, a feeling of what you described, that, you know what, I'm far from over it, but we'll be okay. Alan Townsend is Dean of the University of Montana's W.A. Franke College of Forestry and Conservation. His memoir is called This Ordinary Stardust, A Scientist's Path from Grief to Wonder. Alan, thank you so much for making time to talk today.