 And it was a bit of a mystery hunt. But that is where the comfort zone intersected was around research. If I could believe it, if plausibility was there for me as a reader and a writer, then I could convey that as an author of a mystery story. Let's see the business talk with Jim Campbell. Take a look at my book as well, Madoff Talks, Uncovering the Untold Story Behind the Most Notorious Ponzi Scheme in History from McGraw-Hill and coming soon from Netflix. We'll be back with Tricia in just one second.