 But it's painful to talk about. So that's why you don't hear it that much. But amongst our families, we do. And some don't want to talk about it at all. So him being that courageous to share that in the position that he is in is just incredible. And I know there's more there's more news with that, Wayne. There's I just saw it right now that somebody named Roy S. Johnson, who I guess publishes a