 And he was, I don't know, probably 30 years old. Oh, yeah, he was a young guy. Young guy, and he was just, you know, he was kind of an ambitious young guy. And we talked, and he was just a nice guy. But, man, he has really come a long way. And the adversity of getting fired from Fox has not hurt him at all. He's been fired from CNN, MSNBC, and Fox.