 yeah well absolutely and i'm in agreement uh but where i'm coming from emma joe it's really interesting to go down this road i love it is he's a guy who didn't look at his son and and love and care didn't come to mind first whether it's obliviousness uh because i i meant it more like he's just a witless guy and i think he always was one um i don't know how charitable necessarily that is but i hear you loud and clear but look at jill right now