 The Evan, of course, the president was referring to there as Evan Gershkovich, who today in Russia had the opening of his espionage trial. Joining us now for more is Paul Beckett. He is from The Wall Street Journal where he's an assistant editor, but also has been handling Evan's case as it has drug out now for some time. Paul, welcome back to Bloomberg. Thank you so much for joining us here in studio. Should we even really be calling this a trial? Is that what this is?