 I find this fascinating. Every four years when we go through this presidential debate, a vice presidential debate, and maybe this year is different. I don't know. Maybe I keep telling myself, oh, maybe this year will be different. Why would it be different? Well, both guys are up there. One's just turned 78. One says Joe Biden, 82 yet, 81 or 82, whatever. I forget. All these numbers confuse me.