 uh... data or or evidence as you said from the uh... disclosures from the president and and some of those classified documents i i was reading an associated press article where there was a nasa chief who was saying show me the evidence show me the evidence this is a guy who obviously much like you uh... maybe you know rightfully so says that they're a little bit of a doubting thomas and i don't think that's the uh... the worst thing in the world chris rutkowski our guest here tonight chris you mentioned that you've written a bunch of books on the subject