 With us on the program is Roland Lazenby. He's the author of the new book, Magic, the urban story, the life story of urban magic. It's a book available wherever books are sold, book available in audio form as well. Frank Layton, the coach of the Jazz, you have a quote in there. He said he made people want to see an NBA game, what you were talking about before. He made it Showtime. Buck Williams, who played in the NBA for years, said,