 And this is something also that J.D. Vance said, that people don't fight for ideas. This is this weird nationalist flourish. And I understand why. They don't want us to be promoting ideas like liberty and democracy abroad, which we understand make us safe because shared values make us safe. Because those are the things people fight for. They want to back out of the fight. And they prefer not to have the fight. But the notion here that people don't fight for ideas, they only fight for it because it's an abstraction, he said. They only fight for their home. People have been fighting for ideas since the Peloponnesian War. It's just a bizarre thing to say.