 That's Kevin Roberts. He's president of the Heritage Foundation. Let the nation know, what did you do before you were president of the Heritage Foundation? Most recently, I was CEO of the Texas Public Policy Foundation in Austin, which, by the way, is part of Project 2025. But most of my career, I was an early American historian, president of Wyoming Catholic College, which at the time was in the news because we rejected federal student loans and grants. Why? Because of the very point you made. Obama was president.