 that what a great point that you make about the need for conversation and for talking and uh... we've heard a lot in the aftermath of saturday's shooting about the overheated rhetoric and then within a day or two we went white right back to hearing that uh... people like jd vance are going to put women in caves or whatever he's going to do to them so i i i'm a big believer in conversation and a big believer in conversation as a means of uh... at providing folks an opportunity to do things other than get crazy