 uh... ellen also writes that she also enjoyed the discussion with virginia post role about uh... children's lack of reading for pleasure yeah i thought that was an interesting interview as well if you didn't get to hear it i hope you'll uh... check it out at uh... you go to red apple podcast network dot com and just search frank moreno interviews and more or you can go to any podcast uh... app and just like frank moreno interviews and more and you can see all of the individual um... the individual interviews up there