 either you promote Jay and put him on the show or we're going to have problems. And so, and then we were going right into football season then, and I couldn't afford to have a revolving door. So I hate this process. You can laugh at this if you want, but Jay is producer number nine here on after hours, ninth different person who's worked with us here on the show. And it's okay. It turns into a bit of a revolving door for producers. And we, we used to have,