 or stick like a club with a knob on the end of it. And at the end of those knobs was like nails or spikes or something in it, and he used the rod for protecting of the sheep as well as himself. And the same way with the staff. The staff was about five or six foot long, had a crook at the end of it so he could pull the sheep back in or shepherd the sheep back in. But he also used it to protect the sheep and to protect himself.