 20 years in the gay community. Give you an example. There was an anchor for Fox 9 News here about 12 years ago at Gay Pride Parade where there are children around and she's going, sodomy, like this. And I went up to the booth and I just said, what the hell is wrong with you? There are kids... Darren, I'm running out of time. I'm running out of time. I'll have you back after the break. I'm running out of time. Darren, hold the phone. I'll be back.