 to take part in that. And it's even worse when it's a decision that that person makes, not because of death or anything else like that. And I think I've talked to you guys about this before, and I've always just felt very enraged on behalf of my next guest because of this. London Roberts, I think, is an incredibly brave person because I can't imagine stepping out into the storm of this political catastrophe, whatever you want to talk, however you want to call it,