 that a lot of you are saying, hey, guys, I know the story you all have says the officer who encountered the shooter just seconds before the shots went up a ladder. Someone was interviewed on Fox News that said he didn't use a ladder, that other policemen gave him a boost or put him on his shoulders or whatever. So if there's no ladder there, the story we have says ladder, but that doesn't mean that's right. But how did, and this is the question before us all,