 Well, it was painful. But I do think, you know, what happens to presidents sometimes, and you've seen this over the years, is they get in a little bit of a bubble and they get surrounded by yes people who, for whatever reason, you know, agree with them and they don't push back on them sometimes. So I think you get a little bit soft sometimes in the Oval Office because you're not used to people actually confronting you. And there you are on the stage with former President Trump, who, whether you like him or not, he's going to be a force on that stage. And I think Biden got caught off guard.