 so i know a little better than the average where i've i've uh... interviewed him in an interactive with him a bit over the years i was actually kind of a i don't think that's a lot of uh... you i would actually kind of a critic of his book uh... because i felt like he was leaving something out that needed to be in there and uh... it jd being the uh... sort of intelligent person curious person that he is you know that meant that he wanted to interact a little bit more i wrote a piece for the spectator about his intellectual journey yesterday where i