 I spent a couple of hours grabbing some of the greatest hits of my conversation with Dr. Jaffer from more than a decade ago on the Declaration of Independence on this 4th of July. And Dr. Arnn, I want to play for you. I asked him whether or not Lincoln and Jefferson actually meant it when they claimed that all men were created equal. Here's what he said, cut number 9. In the first place, you have to be clear as to in what respect they held that all men are created equal.