 uh it sat on my credenza for a year or two and ron stallings happened to be in my office one day and said what's that and i told him and he said well let's do it and we got a group together in about 85 and uh do 100 bucks in each and and there were about 12 of us there including my former law partnership shaver and some others and ron and uh we got it started and um it it uh it