 it was that kind of personality and, and, uh, he was very open and interesting and he's always interested in my views. And we have that kind of back and forth with president Reagan. It was, it was different. He, um, he, he, he didn't, uh, we didn't, uh, if you're, excuse my language, we didn't BS politics. We, but we talked about different things. He liked to talk about the economy and his, his crusade and, uh,