 um i know we did the patty on top of that which was probably an eight or nine ounce patty for that i wanted those patties to be really big so we were turning in full burgers for each judge i didn't want to cut it in half um and you were using a 70 30 so that sucker was going to be juicy as all get out oh yeah oh yeah very juicy um you know on top of on top of that we had uh