 optically and the optics of this have been fascinating to watch on leftist media uh been trolling through some cnn some msnbc seeing what these folks say and they and these days on msnbc morning joe stick a u in there m-o-u-r-n-i-n-g because they are indeed in mourning after the debate and now and the reactions have been so shrill i listened to a couple of folks bandying this back and forth