 pick jd vance i mean he has it first of all he has a very compelling story it was made into uh his book best-selling book you know it was very compelling to hear him talk about his grandmother his mama who helped raise him it's pronounced mama as the country folks say mama can i just say i grew up in texas not appalachia but my maternal grandmother was a mama okay so mama uh but his old mother was also who was 10 10 years sober also in the