 extremely pale, to put it nicely. And I don't know, maybe it was a good makeup job, or maybe it wasn't, but he was a very pale-looking man. And when he started to speak, I don't know, I thought his voice was weak. I didn't know exactly what was happening. He goes on to say Jake and Dana did a good job. I've got to tell you about ReliefFactor.com before I go to Admiral Studeman, who's coming up in the next segment. I've got ReliefFactor.com here in my hand if you're watching on the Salem News Channel, if you're listening on the radio.