 nhl on tnt now and many years with nbc and i'm involved in the olympics for nbc um i've never really worked for espn i did two hockey games for them back in the yeah back in the uh mid 1990s but and it's not only espn fox fs1 has a lot of these similar shows with the hot takes and i guess people are watching right if they're getting the ratings and paying some of these hosts right you know we've seen some of the numbers recently but