 With the position he had, from what I can tell on the footage, obviously I wasn't there, but from what I can tell on the footage, the position he had, I think probably he didn't, when he crested the roof of that building as it was at an angle, I think when he crested, that's when they actually got eyes on him. And if you watch one of the videos in slow motion from the crowd, about the same time that President Trump is reaching for his ear,