 yeah i think you know kurt makes a lot of good points for me it's just hard because you know there are two sides to that story because it depends on where you fall you know if you're one of the drivers that ran out of fuel because we're on our fifth overtime unfortunately extending the race your crew chiefs aren't planning for that strategy you almost gotta you know plan for an extra 10 laps of fuel in the tank and so that kind of manipulates the strategy of the race and ultimately the finishing position to some drivers so i understand that point but