 uh... in the worthy way will marvel at them sometimes i often say to myself how did churchill know that i know how i knew it you know i had some great teachers and i spent many years teaching and thinking about it and talking to people about it and you forget that churchill is just like us in that regard he's looking at the world and trying to make sense of it and he just was particularly good at it and the same is true of lincoln and the same is true of the founders