 I talked to Rachel Goldberg on Wednesday, and I aired the interview yesterday, and she's an amazing, I mean, she's an inspiring, amazing woman. And she spoke on behalf of all the hostages, but especially Hirsch. And the bottom line is, I know Israel would accept a long pause, but they're not going to withdraw from Gaza, right? You can't let Hamas come out of the tunnel. And they will. He'll be like, Sinwar will be like Churchill after the Battle of Britain if the pause is forever. Using the same V sign. Palestinians have appropriated the V sign.