 africans that were also white that were already there and that was really kind of where the war was and and the different tribes and at one point i just said hey it's complicated i just finally had to say gary you have trust me that these people from south africa and that they were born there okay i don't know what else to say see that would be like south african people thinking everyone in america was an indian right right that's just exactly that's a great point and then he does this