 that sometimes Donald Trump lapses into, even after the birth. You know, some former governor of Virginia said, that kind of stuff, I don't even know how a good moderator or how a good debate, you know, there were several times during that debate that if Joe Biden, again, I hate to keep getting back to style, not substance, we're trying to have a substance, would have turned to Donald Trump and said, you know, Donald Trump, you sound nuts.