 and I think he will give a blank, is communicating with his players. Can he do that? Because when you take over these jobs, right, when Steve Kerr left the front office and had never coached, great player, made big shots, champion, but was he going to be able to make it work with Golden State? And he did. And a lot of that had to do with not Steve Kerr's X's and O's. It had to do with his communication skills.