 But in other words, so Steve Kerr stepped in and did pretty good on his coaching. Yes, yes. Anthony, Steve Kerr did step in, but twofold with that. One, he played for Phil Jackson. Greg Popovich was a five-time champion as a player, hit one of the biggest shots in finals history, and was a four-year general manager with the Phoenix Suns, so understands that scope of being a basketball head. So he had that advantage. Totally understood. Totally understood.