 You're in those Joe Gibbs Toyotas. You need to be winning Xfinity races. Yeah, he went from a four-win season in Xfinity to a no-win season to a Cup Series ride. And here's the tough thing. Once you've done this for a few years and you've not produced results, now you have a body of work that's been established. I think in today's NASCAR with no testing for rookies and things like that,