 and i have 10 acres and it's been i bought it um after it was vacant for a couple years so he remodeled the house and everything and the pasture has grown up over the last three years and i was considering buying some goats and i was wondering if you could recommend a brand that can handle the cold and that would be good we have like a little brush and grass and all that kind of stuff and then are they very high maintenance in shots that kind of stuff