 goodness that is so helpful that is the first time i've ever heard that uh really touted on this show and i think people are really putting two and two together especially people who are relying maybe on you know a sugary yogurt every day hoping they're getting in enough to support that microbiome now i remember many years ago dr ross pelton dropped on this show postbiotic metabolites and postbiotics what are we looking at when we're talking about that third category