 want to get the entire interview okay and we actually went really long on the podcast with him because we had so much to talk about okay and and what's going on with jane goodhall and other remarkable people that he met uh so again to get the audio podcast wherever you get your podcast to search for kim commando today it's not the kim commando show it's kim commando today you may remember andrew babinski he was our call screener for so many years he's my co-host on there and ali seligman comes on from time to time so you definitely don't want to miss those days