 And we were young, Marty. We were so young, I had dark hair and a dark mustache. Yes, mere children we were. But we were having a good time then, and we still are, because you're just a neat person to be around in addition to your expertise. And I think it would be useful for those that haven't been following the show for a long time for you to tell us how you first became interested in the role of fungus in health. Okay.