 Twenty-five and thirty-five. So how quickly can you pay them off if you just pay them off before you buy a house? We're thinking under six months, maybe even earlier if we put everything we have. So what's the big deal? You just got house fever? Yeah, well, my brother, who I'm very proud of, who actually introduced me to you, he just sold his house and got $160,000 in equity and he's able to move with his wife down to Florida. And we thought, wow.