 on the model of the American founders is not something that is amoral. The issue of morality is at the center of it. The issue of virtue is at the center of it. And that is one thing that we've drifted from. So in my book, If You Can Keep It, I talk about this. And it's interesting to me, Jane, that we have drifted far from this in this country. The cultural elites and the left, they're at war with even discussions of...