 But again, the conversation is about who will be making that case. I know that you were on a call with major donors. You've done a ton of fundraising for the party. You've said it's dried up when it comes to respect to President Biden. But you were on this call with major donors. The vice president stepped in on that call for a bit on Friday. We just had reporting from NBC out this morning talking to people who were on the call, and I know you were as well, saying it was a total failure. It was damaging, it was poor planning, and it was ludicrous. What was your sense of that call?