 But in private conversations as well. And he, in a word, Tony, I would describe him as contemplative. He's been very thoughtful about the weight of history, the providential effect of his having dodged that bullet. It does seem to be that God spared his life, not just to us, but to him as well. And so he's weighing all of that. He understands the moment that we're in as a nation, the trying time that we're in, the challenges that are presented. But