 He looked the most deflated at the end of the, sitting there at CNN, you know who I mean, at the end of the debate. I've actually liked in the past some of the points he makes. But he's one of the people who always are talking about how Biden is an empathetic character. We have a president who has great empathy towards his fellow man. Well, I haven't seen it. But that's not the point because the point is bigger than Joe Biden.