 Yeah, we were at a bar, we would hang out, and we didn't talk politics, funny enough, back then. And then we discovered in the years later that, hey, he and I were kind of among the lone wolves. And so you also knew his wife, Usha, as well? Very well. She was our classmate. My wife, Apoorva, lived in the same college that she did a few years ahead. Our kids are about the same age. His son is named Vivek, by the way. People think that's a joke. No, it's actually one of JD's sons is named Vivek. But the truth is, just on a personal note, just as seeing a friend and a family friend