 And I think that that's really where a lot of his inspiration on policy stuff comes from. So I imagine you saw him interact with voters, correct? A little bit. Okay. From what you witness or experience with him and the background he has, we've got two minutes left here. Is he a good listener? I mean, does he look a person and just really try to understand who they are and where they're coming from? I mean, because some people have that great skill, others do not.