 had called her on the phone and said, I'm just going to do this meeting over the phone with you because I'm snowed in in New Harmony in June. Now, this was kind of as COVID was really rolling and people were figuring out how little work they could do from home and still get paid. And we had suggested, well, call the company and talk to the administrator. And she says, I did. I talked to the administrator. And they said, oh, well, there's really nothing we can do about it.