 33 minutes after the hour on this 4th of July, America. Happy 4th of July to you. I'm Hugh Hewitt. My guest is Dr. Larry Arnn, president of Hillsdale College, where the Declaration of Independence is alive and well, unlike the campuses that Dr. Harry Jaffa was talking about in the last segment. Dr. Jaffa passed away this past year. He was my guest in audio tape for many years on this program on the 4th of July. And I asked Dr. Arnn to join me today to recall not only the Declaration, but also Dr. Jaffa's scholarship of it. When we went to break there, we were talking about