 But that hasn't really quieted talks that it might be him. And a lot of Democrats could look to him if they have concerns about Harris's viability to be the candidate. It seems like Newsom could be right there waiting in that next tier of people. We're speaking with Jared Gans, campaign reporter at The Hill. His piece is called Potential Biden Replacements, Forced to Navigate Tricky Political Terrain. So what would things look like at the convention if something like this were to happen?