 But there's nothing that scares this voter more, this dad on the other end of the spectrum, than another Trump presidency. And so he's saying, look, we may well be frustrated with how he's handled the war, but on most issues that Democrats care about, he's delivered or certainly what they don't want is another Trump presidency. So that's the kind of debate they've been having. And they said, look, there's been shouting matches at Thanksgiving. They talk about it almost every time they meet.