 I think she's carried this debt for many years, and she's been just unable to get out of it. But I've known her, and I'm sure she will be willing to do the program, get on the program, and just... Okay, you've talked to her about it? Absolutely, yeah. Yes. Okay. All right. Because I tell you, there's nothing in this story that tells me that she's going to be willing to do this or able to do this.