 And after watching the speech from the House gallery, my fellow reporters and I would walk one flight of stairs down to Statuary Hall and talk to members of Congress and get their reaction. That practice, by the way, continues today. And anyway, he pigeonholed then Senator Joe Biden, who was in his early 50s, interviewed him a few times before, but not enough to expect him to lower his guard. And we chatted about Bill Clinton's speech. And then the topic turned to Biden.