 One of us said, I think we should have him, and the other one went, yes, we should, tears and everything. So we have this wonderful, he's now 15 years old, he has special needs, and I wouldn't change a damn thing. He makes my life perfect, along with my older child, of course. But I also started at that time listening, because how do you, when you're pro-choice and then you make this decision to have this baby, and you know, this is the life we live, I started really listening to some of the pro-life arguments, and some of them I just didn't have