 The white middle class Karens and the New York Times readers, for them, having a record is like, oh my, he's got a record. But if you're in the minority community or if you're working class, you've got a cousin, you've got a nephew, somebody who forgot to re-up their registration on their car, was caught with a little bag of weed in their pocket. And for them, it's like, you know, I can relate to this guy. Is it a relational thing or is it a, I'm afraid that if they do it to him, or is it both?