 And I think this is where it's going. Now, here's Jen Psaki propping up Kamala Harris in a recent interview, clip 11. Kamala Harris, the vice president, I'm going to call her vice president now because I keep calling her. She is like, in my view, an undervalued talent. She's a very fierce communicator. She's very strong, especially on one of the core issues that the election may be won or lost on, which is abortion rights.