 28 days after George and Kathy Lutz left. George Lutz, you've got to remember this, George, that people say, oh, that was a hoax. That was a hoax. No, it wasn't a hoax. George Lutz was a very serious, stoic kind of a guy. He was a former Marine. He was a black belt in karate. He was a motorcycle guy. He had two Harley Davidsons in his garage, custom bikes that he bought.