 who also decided, you know what, I'm not going to, it was Katie Hobbs, right? I can't even remember her name. She's literally a giant zero of a public figure. But she's going up against Carrie Lake. And she was like, no, Carrie Lake is too mean, and she's like an election denier, and I won't debate her. And everyone's like, well, wait a minute, you have to. You're running, you're the Democrat, she's the Republican. You can't just avoid her. And she said, you know what, screw you, I'm going to avoid her. And she won. And it worked.