 I think his warmness to them, even though he did not remember these people, they had claimed that they had all had known him at one point or another. That was more, he was very, very warm. He's a very warm guy. He's got three children. His middle son is, I mean, he's really the politician. The kid would say, I love you to strangers. I'm like a run-up to everybody. So that's one of the things I really took away from him more than anything else was how warm he was to people. I don't know how good of a listener necessarily because I wasn't