 Now, David, I am an optimist about equity only because I expect Trump to win and I expect a deregulation at least as energetic as occurred in the first Trump term because he'll be better at it. The people he brings with him will know what to do. The overreach by the Democrats will be assisted by the turning over of Chevron. So I'm an optimist, but for not because of interest rates, but because I do believe productivity is going to find itself boosted