 Welcome back to KVN News for the people. Hour two of today's show. Thanks again to former state Senator Lyle Hilliard for joining us here in the studio. It was great to have him back. It's been a couple of years, actually, since we talked with Lyle here on the show. And what a unique perspective. 30 plus years in the legislature, both House and Senate. The guy that was known in his time as the budget guy.