 the the and and here's all here's i can figure out the difference the hall of fame voters are the entirety of the baseball writers association of america in its it's past and present they called it down they used to have old writers now that you have to be a current guy that's writing but it's it's all of the writers in general for those mvps they take the chapter so let's say uh... you're in wisconsin they take the milwaukee chapter the bbw way and they have