 There's no such thing as ghosts and devils and stuff like that. Ed looked her straight in the eye and said, you're saying that, Lorraine, because you never lived in a house like I did. I'm telling you, there's ghosts. So when he got out of the Navy, he started to go around and look for haunted locations. He used to read a book called Fate Magazine. It might even still be around today. It's still around. It's still around. He would read about these haunted locations, George, and he'd say, Lorraine, we're going to go up and check these out.