 There's certain guys, like Lou Piniella was this way, where he had enough credibility for what he did in his playing career. I think you can say the same thing about Joe Torre. Joe Torre was almost a Hall of Famer as a player. And you talk about guys like, obviously, Girardi. Girardi wasn't great, but he had some roles on some World Series teams. So you have credibility. Paul Neal has the ultimate credibility.