 as a possible future presidential candidate, whether that's 2024 or 2028. Newsom has repeatedly denied any interest in running in 2024, and he repeatedly talks about support for President Biden to be the Democratic nominee, but that hasn't really quieted talks that it might be him. And a lot of Democrats could look to him if they have concerns about Harris's viability to be the candidate. It seems like Newsom could be right there waiting in that next tier of people.