 okay second thing we know trump has much more energy than joe biden but yet as i understand it the biden folks are working to try to make sure that they can be seated for the 90 minutes of the debate so it takes away one of trump's huge advantages that he's more has more energy he's more imposing figure physically and they're and they're trying to neutralize that advantage then you talk about the moderators i think all of whom we would admit even i think they would admit