 yeah i i agree with you frank what what i the i guess the exception and it's not really an exception uh... but the i guess the idea behind it is that there's a universality of of morality right i think that's what you're alluding to you can be a godless person you can be an atheistic agnostic whatever it may be a steven uh... but let's just say you there is no god from from the perspective that one has and still believe that people have a right to live not because they are merely a creation of this time that