 All of us try and get through it and hope that we don't do any damage along the way. It's all we can do sometimes. And I would love to see more homeowners, more business owners sit down with their landscaper and say, listen, I want this to look good, but what can I do in the long haul? And what can we do so I'm not cheating you and you're not cheating me? And that's the difficult conversation to have.