 After the lecture, Judy says, oh, they want to go have pizza somewhere. So let's go find a place. So you've probably never been to Storrs, Connecticut. That's where the campus of University of Connecticut is. But it's like a one traffic light town, you know. There's hardly anything in the area. Somehow we found a pizza place that was open about 10, 30, 11 at night. And that's when I really started to talk to Ed and ask him. I said, you know, Mr. Warren, do you really believe in demonic possession?