 I think that's right. And it's very, it becomes very personal. And it'd be also, there's really no nonsense spin. I think Joe Biden was able to do slightly better in 2020 because he had this kind of Scranton Joe roots. Do you sense that that has really deteriorated for Joe Biden and that in that region of the world, white working class voters no longer think fondly of Joe Biden, where previously there might've been some good vibes for Joe?