 They weren't perfect. They don't line up by our standards. But the reason we have our standards today is because they were the best people we had at the time. Given the conditions in the world, given the shared values of humanity, our leaders, okay, the guys who made it onto the statues, okay, were the best people out there. Doesn't mean they're perfect. Doesn't mean we should be on board with the things they did because we've evolved as a society. Okay, but we evolved because of them. He knows what he's talking about.