 Make sure you know that he's back. He's on social media, podcasting. He's got a great, great product. And, of course, you would think the favor would have been returned, and he'd say, hey, Mike, come over to my show. And I'd keep walking by, and I'd look over at him, and he'd just be sitting there, and I'd say, hi, Mark, how are you? No good deed goes unpunished. So Mark got on my show with me.