 and besieging Turks, or the Thebans said, I know the Spartans are going to come. They're going to come and come to the rear of our, and they never did, and there was never any, there was complete naivete. They didn't understand that some of the ruthless and most dangerous people in history are intellectuals and learned people. They're not just crude people, and we saw that with Hitler, and we saw that with Stalin and Mao. They all had pretensions of erudition, so that was the thing, and then