 So when people say, what evidence do you have that the illegality led to fraud? I say, well, the illegality clearly opened the door for fraud. And we now have physical evidence that, in fact, people went through that door and committed fraud. Justice Gabelman estimates 150,000 to 200,000 ballots may have been affected statewide by this illegality and fraud. Now, maybe you say, OK, well, that's not big enough to affect the outcome of the election.