 Okay. Basically, they're both upside down big time, but I mean, in the perfect world, I would love to sell them both and get a really cheap minivan that I can fit my five kids. What do you owe on the first one? It's $37. And what's it worth? Well, one place, one dealership called me and said that they could pay $40,000 for it, but then the car fax or max, whatever, was saying like $30,000, like really low $30,000s.