 before or maybe even both and that's how it goes you know to the next generation next generation and if you have kids you can pretty much guarantee they're going to have it and their kids are going to be you know taken uh but if you've been taking that long and you're talking about experiences that i'm absolutely going yep yep yep not even knowing you were going to go here today right i had no idea you're going to talk about this tonight no no right