 You know, he ballpark sayings a lot of things. But Carvel, it was as if he had never heard this before. Well, I bet he had never heard it before. Because they live in a cocoon. Sure, sure. So I can grant that. They live in such a cocoon that maybe he wasn't lying. He just lives in that cocoon, right? And you don't know what's outside of the cave, something like that.