 So one of the things that's important to understand is the founding fathers believed in separate institutions, but not secular institutions, right? Because this is where some people would argue, no, they really wanted to separate the two. Well, no, they wanted separate institutions, but that's because they had come from England. And under the King of England, he was also the head of the Church of England, the Anglican Church. And so they said, look, we don't want the government controlling the church, controlling religion, which, by the way, for those paying attention, that's what happened in a lot of places during COVID.