 And I'll tell you, Ryan, having asked him the same questions yesterday in a rural county about three hours from here to coming over here in Drexel Hill, the suburbs of Philadelphia, asking Casey again if he's in Biden's corner. There's a little bit of an opening there, a little bit of a softening. And Casey says that's because he's been talking to voters and constituents all around the state like we have. And perhaps he should take in their considerations and concerns about Biden more seriously. Take a listen to this.