 When did you think that it was clear that it was backfiring? At what point in this process, politically backfiring? The indictments. The raid. The raid. Right away, you thought Mar-a-Lago raid. They've gone too far. I was with the president when the raid happened. And we were in New York. And it's funny, and I'm going to speak about this, but it's funny. The way he is so resilient, and it's just another day for him. In that moment, I was like, this is sick. This is actually waste. When I signed up to be his lawyer, there was nothing. You don't go to law school prepared.