 But he couldn't figure it out, and his grandma couldn't figure it out. So instead of going to college, he went to the Marines. I believe he went down to Camp Lejeune and Parris Island first, went through basic training at Parris Island, did his four years, got out, went through The Ohio State University in two years, applied to it, and accepted at Yale Law School. I love the story he tells in Hillbilly Elegy of going to the recruitment dinner with Gibson Dunn. I told him in that interview, and I've interviewed him a score of times, that...