 That's right. But under a guise, you know, the diffidence, as you point out. Well, before we go further on this subject, I want to talk about you a little bit. You talk a little bit in this book about your own journey with C.S. Lewis. You encounter him in the 1960s. I don't mean him, the person, but his writing. And in 1969, here in New York, you start the C.S. Lewis Society. I and 13 others. You and 13 others. Yes.