 I think Jack said it all. Ken, much more so than Jack in any of our conversations. And I'm not going down the street deliberately. I kind of figured, all right, I'll let Jack talk first because Ken isn't going to want to touch this with a 10-foot pole. But it is. It's one of the things I think is bringing us around to a national conversation about understanding it. And that's if anything good comes of it, that comes of it.