 But those are real. Those are not hallucinations, Joe. Those are real, real polls. Go with that instinct. Yes. At one point, Pelosi asked Mike Donilon, who's a big long-term Biden advisor and one of the very few people still in the inner circle for Joe Biden, to get on the line to talk over the data. The phone call would mark the second known conversation between Pelosi and Biden since the June 27th debate. One source described it as being within the last week. Pelosi and Biden also spoke in early July.