 you could argue they were less bad than the debate but that's a really low bar to clear and so i think what we you know what became clear is like what you see is what you get that there is no better biden waiting to emerge from behind a curtain one day and the what we saw was a guy who couldn't be president so now the question is is it when he's in these early morning hours or late morning hours or god forbid since you know his last public appearance was wednesday