 It's kind of funny because I remember when I wrote my biography of William Wilberforce, there were people that they make the argument that, like, no, no, no, it was just economics that abolished the slave trade. It wouldn't be possible for human beings to go against the almighty dollar or the pound or whatever. In other words, they can't even comprehend that it might be possible for people to say, this is wrong, we need to do what we can to abolish this. Because, again, it offends this idea.