 It seems like if you're packing anything more than a couple miles, I mean, that weight adds up in a hurry, and you'll notice it a couple miles down the trail if you don't pack right. Yeah, and I've come up with little tricks to help with, say, you are out, it gets pretty cold, and your stove's not, your exobutane stove is not working so well. I usually have hand warmers, and I'll rubber band a hand warmer to the bottom of the can. It helps a lot.