 Moses Zimmer then described the policies, wanting the station to, quote, look like Toronto, end quote. John Sanders used to be on that thing. He did host the NHL on ESPN. Unfortunately, he passed away. And also other people like David Amber, who works for the NHL Sportsnet, and Kevin Wiggs, who works on the, I think, in the NHL Network. Yeah, Kevin Wiggs is a great example. That's right. Yeah, Kevin Wiggs is too. And we know Anthony Carter. He's involved in the Atlanta expansion group as well, I heard.