 used quarterback from going back to Hostetler, to Plunkett before that, to Rich Gannon. These guys have always been somewhere else and then came to the Raiders to make a name for themselves. So I'm wondering... Gardner Minshew is going to win the MVP the way that Rich Gannon did? Is that what you're telling me? I'm looking for somebody else out there that's an old vet that no one really gives a crap, like a flocko, laying on the couch,