 and was there for a few years and then later joined some other prominent VC firms, for example, one tied to AOL co-founder Steve Case, running the Rise of the Rest Fund there with him, which received donors from some of their biggest donors of that particular fund were people like Jeff Bezos of Amazon and also the Walton family of Walmart, which if you're familiar with them, have very extensive ties to Hillary Clinton and the Clinton family in general.