 Charles Michel said the same thing. Von der Leyen said this is just appeasement. Stoltenberg said that Orbán has no NATO mandate and that there are no signs whatsoever that Putin is ready for peace. Well, obviously, the discussion is proving the opposite, namely that there is important motion on the part of Putin. And I think it's a very hopeful sign because the point I've been trying to make the whole time here is that we absolutely...