 Including Jackson Holiday. I would trade Jackson Holiday for Tarek Skubal. There's a trade to be made with the Tigers, there's no doubt about it. You can get their closer, too, and probably another bullpen arm. I'd give them Jackson Holiday. I'll give them, you want Connor Norby, or you want Dylan Beavers. There's plenty of guys who could go right into the Tigers lineup. Not Beavers so much, but Norby, Kyle Stowers, Jackson Holiday. I think that's how they should be thinking, but I don't think they are.