 But it was clever, but it was funny. Because oftentimes presidents, oftentimes I got phone calls. As the undersecretary, I would get phone calls all the time at midnight or 2 a.m. or 3 a.m. In fact, my family used to gripe about it. Because where I am at the undisclosed location right now, we had a secure phone located where I could have a secure conversation with the White House Situation Room.