 It takes about a half an hour or so. It's really simple. It's 3.30 Pacific. And you're able to ask questions, interact. But it's a great way to get a sense of what it is that they do. Risk management, number one strategy with Bulwark Capital, followed by active management. Active management means they're looking to really find ways to lower risk, lower cost, lower volatility, but also give you the most upside opportunity.