 10 and 12 and they've had the pack out they've had the second pack out they've been living in a hotel for a couple days till dad leaves and then american airlines uh gets around the plane on san diego and they say whoops we're not going to go to chicago we're going to go to dallas because we got to pick up a pilot so they go to dallas they can't make the flight to the east coast so they're in dallas i booked them all on a flight from chicago to uh boston you know i'll go get them in boston and then they're not allowed off the plane they fly them they fly a whole bunch