 off stage. I only know him on stage. I moderated a debate with him. I've interviewed him scores of times, but I only know him publicly. She told me he's quite kind, and I was very surprised by that. Do you know J.D. Vance? So I know him a little better than the average mayor. I've interviewed him and interacted with him a bit over the years. I was actually kind of a, I know this is going to sound odd, Hugh, I was actually kind of a critic of his book,