 right and so you know you're sitting up a little bit higher so you know you could be subject to all that the good thing about the white pine is not as dense as some of the spruce could be right a little bit more open doesn't carry as much weight up top very true and they lose those needles in the fall they shed all those out yeah so they shed those fall needles so the weight isn't there like it would be with other types of evergreens but still it's always something to keep an eye on just to