 And Joe hated the way this turned out so much, and he regarded himself as a sucker for listening to the media and doing the interview. He didn't do another interview, Charlie, for almost 15 years, which sounds impossible in our modern-day social media age. I mean, Trump has basically confined himself to true social for last week and a half, so everyone's acting like he's disappeared off the face of the earth. I mean, you may have noticed that this morning, that that's what people are doing.