 And that doesn't count the gotaways. When you get the gotaways involved, now you're talking probably closer to 12 million, and that's a more realistic number. But he's talked about getting rid of them, and you see why now this is one of the top two issues, along with inflation, for the American people. Immigration and inflation are the top two issues. Okay, so going back to the subject of the Thursday night debates, and I want your thoughts on this debate, plural, or singular, rather.