 Matter of fact, he was kind of too junior to do that. He was one of those guys. Okay, back then, they didn't have all the stuff they have now. And even now, it takes a lot, and I mean a lot, of engineers to design an airplane or design a ship or most anything new. Because you've got somebody there who's... Well, take an airplane, for example. You've got somebody who is dedicating all his time...