 was blessed to be able to write a book with Anthony Sutton. They wrote Trilaterals Over Washington together, where they exposed the Trilateral Commission, started by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski. And so I reached out to Pat to see, he and I were both teaching at a conference, at a prophecy conference in, where was that, Colorado. And so I sought Pat out to give me some insight into this question, and he did not disappoint.