 What did he mean by that? Well, I once asked Walter what, because he told me that too, and I once asked him, he says there was nothing about Lewis that wasn't converted, not his intellect, not his imagination, not his appetites, you know, carnally, corporally, intellectually, all of it was converted. And the only thing that mattered to Lewis, and Owen Barfield, his great friend, says this about Lewis, the only reason Lewis paid attention to himself