 really how man and witch came about part of it is i just think people crave real stories stories like the never ending story like princess bride like those kind of classic 80s fantasies like you were just desperate for those characters to win you know and and that's what i set out to do is to get back to like just telling a good story we didn't have the biggest budget and in some ways i think that actually served us because rather than cgi we had jim henson creature puppets