 but i think it was more than that i think that he identified i don't know how far back this goes with him but that somehow he identified with people like the folks that you grew up with yeah you know i i i won't try to psychoanalyze uh the president but i definitely don't think it was purely transactional right there was clearly some affinity there um and i think you see that even today right trump knows instinctively i'm sure you talk to the president i talk to the president trump knows instinctively that the people who are most courageous on behalf