 And he said, we're going to do this on a secure line on a different number. Was this all by phone only or is it video? Yes, ma'am. Okay. All right. No. Okay. Just phone. Okay. So he comes on and says he's from my credit union and his name is Alex and blah, blah, blah. We're going through all this stuff. And he comes back and he said there are two charges.