 Yes, that's right. Before 93, you probably had some of the responsibilities without the authority. And then by 93, you became chief operating officer and 95, chief executive officer of the company. You've got it. That's right. Well, Cliff, I mean, through all these changes and all these cutbacks and you look at over the years, how do you continue to keep all the people on board and share a vision and say, don't jump the ship, we're going to make this thing fly? I mean, how do you do that?