 yeah and jen was the one that i was there on on cocos with jen is jen is kind of a remarkable scientist she does a lot of work on remote islands but she spends her time going to islands like henderson island out in the pacific ocean which is one of the most remote islands on earth and and she'll be there for like six months at a time you know um just on these uninhabited islands working counting things she thinks it's wonderful i must say she describes it to me and i