 in both of his campaigns the number was somewhere in the 30s even the 20s for reagan that biden number is a number we've never seen for any candidate before and i will say as we wait for definitive polling we do have one poll that is now asked the horse race question after the debate asking biden versus trump after the debate who are you for it's just from one state it's from new hampshire but in that new hampshire poll this is out just a couple minutes ago