 And I made a phone call, and next thing you know, we were in the West Wing talking to Ira Magaziner and other people in the White House about health care. And then my success story on that, Ben, was that I knew that if I had a political action committee, I would be able to have influence. So I talked to all these home health agency owners. They all started chipping in money. I formed a political action committee, and then members of Congress were calling me. And so that's kind of how I got into that.