 This straight-up defiance from Joe and likely Jill and Hunter puts Democrats in a tight spot, no doubt. They've got to figure out how to make Joe go away quietly, and he's going to kick and scream the whole way, maybe even bite. They'll still do it. Democrats are cutthroat. They will get rid of him. It's just become a lot messier of a process. And when they finally duck and weave their way out of the Joe problem, well, they'll still be left to deal with the Kamala problem.