 And let me tell you, that's probably going to be some of the most effective campaigning, in particular for independents. And with J.D. Vance's boyish looks at 39 years old, I think he's going to do well with a lot of independent voters. So I think Trump really thought outside of the box on this one. And from that perspective, I think he made a good choice. Jerome. Were they lying then or are they lying now?