 ceremonious uh nomination because their uh dnc in chicago in mid-august is too late i like that ceremonious it was just going to be a ceremony well i guess really the convention would be the ceremonious thing virtually nominating him would be the official thing but they had to do that before july 27th so they were going to do it late july then they were saying well we now we need to do it july 21st uh to get this thing done because of all the calls for his removal the big boy's refusing