 No, I don't think so. He was just, uh, he was kind of a wannabe out on the West coast. Renegade. The, um, it was actually a, a doctor. I'm not sure whether he was a physician or a PhD, but, uh, he was on the faculty of McGill university up in Montreal. And that's where they, uh, did a lot of the secret experiments or, or at least devised them there.