 And I know you didn't talk to him all day and you couldn't ask him everything, but did he indicate or volunteer any idea about where he was going to fit in history and how that would affect the climate of the nation later on or what had transpired in between? That's way over his pay grade. Okay. So he didn't even consider that. Was he bitter? Did he feel like his life had been scarred? No. Of course, here's a guy who the...