 I said, yeah, and he said, is it not important to you? I said, it's important to know something about where they stand, but you're going to get two old men up there that are going to point fingers, sling mud, and call names for an hour and a half, and I just don't have time for that kind of stuff. I've got 13 years of my time listening to almost borderline, if not outright, senile men throwing accusations they can't prove one way or the other.