 and knowing certainly that the very first thing that he heard about this was this, uh, uh, uh, overheard conversation that it was highly improper. The governor doesn't have any business knowing, uh, whether somebody's gone, how somebody's going to plead, uh, or whether they're going to plead guilty or not in a criminal trial. That's none of the governor's business. That's none of the justice department's business.