 So as the underdog, when you're down in the game, you've got to get more aggressive. When your team is trailing and you're getting close to the end of the game, you've got to take more risks. And that's basically what they're talking about. Now, something that Chris Coons, the senator from Delaware, who's the national co-chairman of the Biden campaign, he says that there need to be more unscripted moments showing that.