 in the past, seen as the use of this socially prescribed magic, usually to do harm to others, or to achieve, you know, benefit to yourself at the expense, usually, of others. You know, a lot of the stuff was like stealing your neighbor's milk, you know, from their cow, and the witch would do a kind of magical process, and the farm down the road, their cow would suddenly stop producing milk, and all this kind of stuff. And today, what we find is that people, you know, when I've