 I know we'll be watching it here at NPR News. Brian Backs, our political editor, he's going to be on it. I'll be talking about it and asking our listeners what they think about it. This wraps up our conversation. Thank you so much. I want to thank our guest, Patrick Schmidt, a professor of political science and co-director of legal studies there at Macalester College in St. Paul, and Larry Jacobs there at the University of Minnesota at the Center for the Study of Politics and Governance at the University of Minnesota. Stay with NPR throughout the day and go to nprnews.org for the latest. This conversation was produced by Carrie Dwyer.