 I'll tell you the first really big stage I was on, I don't know if it was the first, but it was the most important to me at the time, was the National Speakers Association when they chose me for the Shark Tank. They brought some of the sharks from the TV show to our National Speakers Association stage to do a pitch right there in front of 2000 people where their opinion of me matters, like for referrals and things like that and credibility.