 Mike had heard that Phil had actually done some recordings himself in the 80s. He'd heard Phil had spent some time in people's living rooms recording folks playing tunes they'd been passed down by their parents and grandparents. This was exactly the kind of thing Mike was looking for. And so then I was like, oh, you know, can I hear those tapes? Phil had no problem sharing the recordings, and Mike finally got to hear one small piece of the missing Midwest folk music tradition he'd been searching for.