 The country's first ladies play a significant and unique role, and it's ever evolving. Here to talk about it is Katie Rogers. She's a White House correspondent at the New York Times, and she's author of the new book, American Woman, the transformation of the modern first lady from Hillary Clinton to Jill Biden. Katie, thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me. Also with us is Kate Anderson Brower. She wrote an opinion piece for CNN out this morning, Why Jill Biden Won't Urge the President to End His Re-Election Bid. More on that later.