 wherever they're at in their spiritual journey. So you and I sit across the table from one another right now. We should be open and docile to the Holy Spirit so that we can help each other draw closer to Jesus. And we don't have to be at the same level. One of us could be way further ahead. And the person who's quote-unquote behind is able to help the person who's further ahead draw closer. So there's a way in which...