 body as you're looking if you're standing outside your body looking down at your body how can you have that experience if you're depending on your physiology for it so a lot of people like i said try to rationalize this by using physical phenomena and i'm on the other side of the fence i'm saying look no there's a non-physical phenomena going on here i call it hyperbit cloud you know this this this mental informational system and that's what's interacting with the physical and