 being the man that he is, never cries. But he gets me on the phone and he's crying and said, there's two Marines standing at our door. At that point, I lost it. I knew exactly what it was as soon as he said it. You know, and Kelly got the same thing at her door. And she just, she lost it as well. I mean, as you can well imagine. How old was he? He was 31 when he was killed.