 then you're clearly not with us. And that's not coming from the top down. That's coming bottom up. And I think a lot of what we're seeing in these companies and in universities too right now with what's going on on campus, it's bottom up and then the leadership crumbles to it. So obviously then the editor, the opinion section editor at the Times after that piece ran had to resign, was basically fired, a forced resignation. His deputy also resigned.