 And we're talking to Carol Roth. Yeah, the analogy that I'm using to go with the movie that came out 39 years ago, and that is Rocky IV. And Trump does not get enough credit for this. So I really think the Biden people sent him out there, I guess it was about a month or so ago, to say, Donald, I'll debate you anytime, anywhere, only to proceed to say, oh, by the way, it's got to be on CNN or ABC. And oh, by the way, it's got to be without a studio audience. And oh, by the way,