 I am not like Katie. I'm not at all surprised that we're seeing Dr. Biden out front and center. Kate, you bring up a really good point. Sorry to jump in. Go ahead. The degree to which she thinks Donald Trump is a threat and dislikes him and is shouldn't really be overlooked. I think she understands the wear and tear of the presidency on her husband. She sees him up close. But Donald Trump has been a driver for both of them, not just him.