 Now, you definitely want to get the entire interview. And we actually went really long on the podcast with him because we had so much to talk about. And what's going on with Jane Goodhall and other remarkable people that he met. So again, to get the audio podcast, wherever you get your podcasts, just search for Kim Commando Today. It's not the Kim Commando Show. It's Kim Commando Today. You may remember Andrew Babinski. He was our call screener for so many years. He's my co-host on there.