 He also was a member out at Westward Hole Country Club and an avid, avid golfer. And I was, when I first started there in 74, I wasn't in the newsroom right away. I was running the audio board with those same pots that you're talking about, the dials and things, controlling the audio for the studio. And so I was running the mics for Captain Eleven's show. And many is the time Dave would go, come charging in,