 pick at him, and that's going to happen, no doubt about it. And certainly he is young. That is also true. But I think when you look at his resume and you look at what he's done, it really doesn't hold a lot of water. Jay, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it. Sure. Absolutely. That was Jay Chabria. He's a former consultant and campaign manager for J.D. Vance when he ran for the Senate. I'm going to come back in studio with my colleagues Ron Elving and Deirdre Walsh. Ron, your thoughts on what you've heard so far this evening?