 And we spoke to one chap who told us that he had seen what he believed to be the shooter climbing onto a roof, a sort of single-story building off to the right of the stage where Donald Trump was speaking from. And this guy had a rifle with him, and this man said he saw him climb onto the roof. He tried to tell the security services what was happening. He couldn't attract their attention properly. And a couple of minutes later, the shooting started. And we know from the videos that have now emerged since then that...