 that with that particular, with the particular data, we know that the community as a whole, we did research. We found out 72% of people in communities don't believe this should be the course of action that we take. So that's Donald Whitehead, Executive Director of the National Coalition for the Homeless. We're also talking to Helen Cruz, who was formerly unhoused in Grants Pass, Oregon, and NPR's Jennifer Ludden. We're also hearing from you. Hi, this is Malia in Springfield, Virginia.