 I felt like I could hear Zoe deflating on the call. She went from cheering and laughing to being ashamed for even caring. This was such a sister counterattack. She seemed so harsh. But when I sat down with Eliza to talk about it, she was warm, self-deprecating. I come in like frazzled, my hands have a little ketchup on them. So I played the call for her and just asked her, what was up with that?