 had particular traits to them. They had routines. And this is just something that all of the families knew that these boys, young men really. And that's the other thing is so many people call them boys and they weren't, they were young men. And, and, and so to be disregarded the way that they were was, was pretty, pretty devastating. And the family is, I think really, first of all, that the young men were, were disregarded. But second of all, that, that,