 when they surrendered. And then my Uncle Jack was a navigator on a B-17 bomber over Europe. And my Uncle Jerry unfortunately passed away in 1996, and he was living in Texas, so I didn't spend a lot of time with him. But I did spend a lot of time with my Uncle Jack, talking to him about his experiences as a navigator, 30 missions over Europe. I took him down to the National World War II Museum. We recorded him on video there.