 before you start getting over your problem. And my problem was being wrapped up in myself to some extent and seeing cooking as a performance. We'll be back with more with Steve Hoffman, author of A Season for That. And then we're talking about the sun-drenched, garlicky, olive oil life with Rebecca Pepler, author of Le Soud. I'm Francis Lam, and this is The Splendid Table from APM.