 Well, that's Ben Bradford, creator and host of the podcast series Landslide. It's produced by Nuance Tales in partnership with WFAE and distributed by NPR. Ben, thanks. Thank you so much. Coming up, highlights from one of my conversations at this year's Aspen Ideas Festival. How much do we know about those who engage in political violence and how can we intervene to shift them away from extremism? I'm Jen White. This is 1A.