 So I think it's a combination of Donilon, Reschetti, Anita Dunn. Look, here's what I was going to. The first thing that you have to remember when the White House started, and this is the perfect example, but explains it. So you remember T.J. Ducklow is the deputy press secretary. He'd been with the Bidens through the thick and thin. I mean, this is not some random staffer. This is a guy who's very close to them personally, to the family, not just to President Biden, but to the first lady. OK, when he gets into that whole tit for tat with Politico and they fire him.