 And so that's what he said to people. He said it looks like, I mean, obviously the term came from him, right? A flying saucer. Kind of. So he, when a reporter asked him what they looked like as they were flying, he described them as if they were saucers skipping over water. And then a reporter in Pendleton, Oregon, said they were kind of like saucer-like shaped. But, and through...