 Let's take a short break. If you're just joining us, my guest is stand-up comedian and writer Ian Carmel. He's written a new memoir called The T-Shirt Swim Club, Stories of Being Fat in a World of Thin People. We'll continue our conversation after a short break. This is Fresh Air. Programming is supported by Bremer Bank, with bankers who know that in business, relationships matter more than ever, because understanding is everything. Put them to work for you today at bremer.com.