 He had the insight. He had the foresight. We would always get together and chit-chat and talk about things. And he had made a podcast when he was a writer at the Grantland or Grantland. And so, but so he had been pushing at the New York Times to get them to do a podcast and he wanted to do with me. And I was like, I feel like he came to ask me and I was like researching something in like a library and like looked up and was like, Dusty. And I was just like, get out of here. No, like I'm busy.