 All right, our time is up. I want to thank our guests and our listeners who called in. We've been talking with Dr. Jim Pakala, a professor and the head of the Department of Family Medicine and Community Health at the University of Minnesota Medical School. He's also the co-author of The Society, The American Geriatrics Society, Handbook Geriatrics at Your Fingertips, and Abu Amara, a political analyst and a Twin Cities attorney. Thank you both for your time today. We appreciate it. Today's conversation was produced by Carrie Dwyer. We'll talk again tomorrow morning at nine.