 with the squirming live grubs that have these very hard pinchers. And he was like, there's no way they're going to have us do this. It's just too disgusting and outrageous. And when he realized it was really happening, he was like, this is like nothing that's ever been on TV. But I also talked to Jervis, who was the cast member who ate the grub for one of the tribes. And he said that he had said in his psychological story,