 And so you're bringing it up. Now, I'm going to send you Rachel's book for both of you to read, Know Yourself, Know Your Money, because it goes into the household you grew up in. It goes into are you a scarcity person or an abundance person. It goes into all of those things enter into this discussion. And all of the stuff in that book is why the budget committee meeting, we call it, is a difficult meeting at first.