 She gives me a camera and she goes down to the volleyball courts and she had written, I love Sony in the sand volleyball courts. And I was like, who's this Sony? Who's this Sony? And then when he came to auditions, when I saw his name on the audition seat, Mark and Dean always laugh about it because I said in no certain terms that Sony was not going to be our drummer. I refused to play in a band with Sony. And I was wrong, man. He was a special drummer and he's a hell of a songwriter.