 She didn't know what to do with that. And in that moment, you could hear the crowd erupt. These are core, this criminal justice reform, and by the way, I'm in favor of it to a certain extent. It depends on how we do it. But criminal justice reform is a traditional, it's a sacred cow to the left. And Tulsi Gabbard torpedoed Kamala Harris' campaign. And the Democratic Party was like, we can't, we can't. The best we can do is vice president.