 world and experience yeah now you come back to that 2d flat black and white world and you have to describe what what that felt like what that experience was in 2d black and white terms yeah and how can you how can you do it and how can you not suffer from complete and utter boredom you've already tasted what it's like to be in another dimension stephen gray jason pamer with us tonight on ground zero your phone call is coming up 503-225-0860 that's 503-225-0860 we'll be back