 But not enough to expect him to lower his guard. And we chatted about Bill Clinton's speech. And then the topic turned to Biden and his ambition to become chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. And at that time, Claiborne Pell out of Rhode Island was in his late 70s showing signs of Parkinson's disease that he'd later disclose. And Biden was asked if given Pell's diminished capacity, he'd make a move to replace him. He said that poor son of a bitch.