 and when we gathered ourselves, we started to talk to some of those people who had come out, and many were very emotional, many were very angry, some were very shocked, and some wanted to talk to us about what they'd seen. And you'll hear a longer conversation between me and Gary a little later in the programme. One of those eyewitnesses that Gary spoke to was Gray, who said he'd spotted the gunman and told the Secret Service, but they didn't pay attention until after the shots were fired.