 Well, they want to listen to people. They want to try. And if they're a competitor of yours, they want to get the people you're dealing with. And it's crazy what's going on today. Or scam you for money, right? Yes, and that's the other thing. Then turn around and scam you. And how many people fall for the scams, Rich? So many do because when they get the information, it's like, wow, how does that person know this real information about me?