 Speaking there was NPR's Jennifer Ludden. We're also joined, and we'll have more to come, with Helen Cruz, who was formerly unhoused in Grants Pass, Oregon, and Donald Whitehead. He's the executive director of the National Coalition for the Homeless. After the break, we're going to speak to the mayor of Pasadena, California, Victor Gordo, and he's going to tell us about how he thinks this ruling will change the way he and his city deal with homeless people. And, of course, we'd like to hear from you. I'm Elliott Williams. This is 1A.