 They, too, are trailing. Perhaps you want to make the argument you bring in another Democrat who isn't as well-known as Joe Biden, who has universal name recognition, and maybe they could change the numbers. But the fact is, any Democrat who entered the race right now, at least among those that are being suggested by a bunch of folks, they would all enter the race at this particular point as an underdog to former President Donald Trump. But, Harry, are those numbers old numbers or are those since the debate? I mean, maybe their conversations changed.