 They're not even behind the scenes really anymore. It's becoming well known that Obama is a part of this, trying to get Joe out. But the Biden team is digging in. Some are wondering because do they really think that he is stubborn and he is just not going to give up the power and he really does believe he can win? Or are they trying to negotiate with the Democrats to get some sort of sweet deal for he and his family to just sort of go away? And you're really not sure.