 approaching this conversation absolutely from the point of view of the public, Dr. Fauci. And so there's this issue about how the scientific community talks to the public when trying to deal with the uncertainties of new diseases, right? You had to experience that a lot during the HIV-AIDS crisis. So here is a moment with you, again, a very young sounding, I should say, Dr. Fauci, on PBS NewsHour in 1985.