 But they're also trying to conceal their identity because a lot of what some protesters will do is not necessarily legal, but they can get away with a lot because it's very difficult to press charges if you can't identify the person who is paddling around your spread and flaring ducks. So that's part of it. Like I said, Antifa tactics in the land down under. I understand that as a journalist, you tried talking to some of these activists to get their side of the story. They weren't very talkative, were they?