 But really, it is hard for an alliance that is based on the idea of deterrence. That's really at the heart of NATO, right? You attack us, any one of us will come after you. It's hard for an alliance based on deterrence to remain strong if someone's saying, I'm not going to come to your aid. So to some extent, NATO is doing what it can, but it knows that this idea of undermining collective defense is in some ways an existential threat.