 The fact that you have that many defectors speaks to the quality of life in North Korea. And that becomes worse when we're talking about officials. And this defector was a diplomat. I'm Marco Werman. And I'm Carolyn Beeler. Also today, we'll hear from Venezuelans living abroad who want to vote but can't due to new restrictions. You can assume that most of those votes would be against the government. So there is an incentive there.