 But in terms of major things that are going on to try and get him out, this has been one of the issues. All these federal agents who have worked with him over the years have been sort of crying out about, hey, we're leaving one of our own in Nigeria. And that has created some pressure to have them start to do something about this. We're talking to Dina Temple Raston. She's the host of the Click Here podcast and a senior correspondent at Recorded Future News. We'll be back in just a moment. This is 1A.