 These conversations play out over four months in face-to-face meetings and in phone calls, all of them recorded. And they always circle back to the same question. Will the church allow Bishop Miller to testify at John Goodrich's criminal trial? Or will it stop him based on the clergy penitent privilege? He needs professional help. He also needs ecclesiastical help. And Eric tells Ritting that Goodrich needs to answer to charges against him in a courtroom.