 so he was out of Minneapolis and he kind of got it all started but you know I never thought that the Floyd era I couldn't see it changing you know because it was good for them was good for us and then the temptation to come along and they were getting older Evans Nord and Joe Floyd were getting older Tom Sheely some of the originals you know Jack Townsend all these guys that that I were around and there were mainstays when I started you know they got older and then