 He simply was not on the biggest debate stage ever. I'll even use the word tragically. He tragically did not rise to the occasion last night. So is he saying at the time, maybe Joe should be thinking about dropping out? Well, he did say that should be a conversation. I don't think he explicitly said Joe should drop out, but he did say something to the effect of, if this is a guy running your Fortune 500 company, would you keep him as the CEO?