 Just imagine if you think about Paul's writing here as if he's contemplating a trip back home 14 years after the last time he was home. I mean, that's not the context of it. It's a letter to the church in Corinth, but imagine it that way, if you would. He writes, I know a person in Christ who 14 years ago was caught up into the third heaven, whether in the body or out of the body, I don't know. God knows. Who is that person? That's Paul, who he used to be.