 Wow. Her workshop story reminds me of some of the narratives that are coming from our Talking Sense project with Catherine Richard. Absolutely. And by the way, that experience is why Ellie calls herself the canary in the coal mine. But in this case, the canary is thriving. So what's her purpose? I mean, she's accomplished a lot, right? And she keeps fighting the good fight. So is that her purpose? Yeah. I mean, I said, you know, what...