 But we'll have to leave the conversation there for now. That's Jeffrey Rosen, the president and CEO of the National Constitution Center. He's also a professor at the George Washington University Law School. He's the author of the new book, The Pursuit of Happiness, How Classical Writers on Virtue Inspired the Lives of the Founders in Defined America. Also with us today, Steve Vladek, a professor at Georgetown Law. He's also the author of a weekly newsletter about the Supreme Court, One First. Thanks to you both as well as one ace, Todd Swellick.