 And he would notice that Carlo afterwards, he befriended various people in the streets of Milan, homeless people. He would receive presents for his birthday. And what he would do is he'd go sell that and give the money to the poor. It was really a remarkable sensitivity he had to the needs of the poor. And one of the things that so struck this man, this housekeeper, Rajis, that he converted to Catholicism. And his mother then converted to Catholicism when she came and met Carlo.