 we're not at that one-on-one stage of fighting and arguing. Is it real? Is it not real? We want the proof of it. What do you got? And you got to convince me it's, it's about the experiences themselves. And then what can we learn from those and how do they match up with whatever someone else has said to, whether it's in the same genre or even different genres of the paranormal, putting those together. That's, that's my thing. And, and I learned more and more that that's your thing too. And I appreciate that. So,