 That's Jacob Prokop, the director of Pinellas Technical College in Clearwater, Florida. Also with us today, Kathy Hughes, a principal researcher with a focus on career and technical education at American Institutes for Research. And Darnell Epps, the founder and CEO of Thurgood Industries. That's a networking platform for skilled workers. He's also a recent graduate of Yale Law School and Lincoln Technical Institute. Thanks to you all.