 Let's get back to our conversation on the implications of the Supreme Court ruling that allows for communities to penalize people for sleeping outdoors. We're here with Helen Cruz, who was formerly unhoused in Grants Pass, Oregon, NPR's Jennifer Ludden, and Donald Whitehead, the executive director of the National Coalition for the Homeless. But let's bring in a new voice. We're joined now by the mayor of Pasadena, California, Victor Gordo. Mayor Gordo, thank you so much for joining us today.