 they had KDL or KDLO, you know, it was just K E L O. And, and then, uh, but I watched up, watched when, uh, gosh, these, these guys that were on local television, they just became my idols, you know, uh, dead Rick in particular, because we went on to become, you know, the best of friends, but Jim Burt and, and Raj Russell and, uh,