 present at that time. And understanding where people want to go. If people are feeling safe and they're trusting, then that gives you one signal on where you can go as an organization. But the other thing I would say is when you're not sure, my direction on that would be is bringing in a vendor or a group such as what George represents to help you navigate that. Because I think as people leaders, this is a point I'll add, I think as people leaders of organizations,