 who is the largest franchisee, and Sonic has always been a great mentor for me. How did you first meet Chuck? Chuck was one of my first employers that I worked for, and he had a smaller group of people that worked under him that I worked for that wasn't growing, so that's how I broke away. But I saw Chuck up front, and I always saw his intellect and his character, and I just wanted to make sure that I grew up and was that kind of person.