 of Mr. Horowitz. But one of the things that's great about what he does is that in it, one of the things she was having a discussion with somebody, showing them some practicalities of what they may have seen. And he steps in and he says, but I've got to tell you, I've done some research here and I've seen that this has happened many times before. And so I want to show you that you're not alone. And everybody's like going, how do you how do you go back and find these cases? Because I think a lot of work.