 Being the man that he is, he never cries. But he gets me on the phone and he's crying and said, there's two Marines standing at our door. At that point, I lost it. I knew exactly what it was as soon as he said it. And Kelly got the same thing at her door. And she just, she lost it as well. I mean, as you can well imagine. How old was he? He was 31 when he was killed.