 Actually, I'd been on CNN on Crossfire debating... I forget who I was. Oh, Carvel. It was Carvel. I actually whipped him pretty good. And Sean had seen it, and he asked me to come on Hannity and Combs. And from there, it took off. And we're very, very close friends, like brothers as well. So anyway, that's the long and the short of it. And you know, I...