 How do we hide the decline? And they were conspiring basically to deceive people while they were producing supposedly scientific work that was a basis of public policy. So we said to him, the group that I was with said, we want to see your data. Oh, you can't see my data. It's private. It's copyright or whatever. It's like, well, you've published it. You did it while you were on the public payroll. And we need to see it's also been the basis of public policy. We need to see that now.