 and also that it didn't feel entirely irrational. And that's, I think, what surprised me the most, was I started to realize, OK, if you had had these experiences throughout your life, and if you felt this way as a result of those experiences, I could understand that if somebody came with this really simplistic solution for you that points a finger at the enemy and also makes it very clear who's evil, who's good, who are the heroes, who are the villains, I can understand how you might end up in this worldview.