 And a lot of people are in this. Many who are in this are in it because of disillusionment with religion. Judaism, Christianity, Catholicism, Presbyterianism. You know what I mean? They've had it up to there, as we say, with a former religion. Therefore, they find this consoling. And they love animals, and they never have sacrifices of little animals, dogs or cats or birds or horses or anything like that. It's a nature worship. And the