 I then get serious into science. I go on to SUNY Binghamton, now Binghamton University. They were a soccer power. And then I went on to Penn State, which, of course, was a great soccer power and got to see great soccer. So I was exposed to great soccer, enjoyed it from the outside. And then when I went to Battelle, I was there for four years or so when a great colleague of mine walked by my office one night at closing and he had a referee uniform on.