 President's team wanted this debate, right? Took the gauntlet from Trump, negotiated those rules, right? To your point, I think Jake and Dana Bash had a fairly good debate in terms of not inserting. They did not become the story, which we see all the time with moderators. But again, we're going to see in the coming days just the reaction to last night. All right, so give it to me. Kevin Walling's in the studio, plain English.