 what has kind of been around, but that shouldn't be the narrative. Cause he had Simmons from the flyers back in the day, the Panthers ended up having a player a couple of years, four years ago was on a team for two or three seasons, a couple of seasons ago. And I'm speaking to McAfee too. He's been a hot, I don't know. You said he wasn't a hockey guy, but to me, I think he was a hockey guy, especially nationally before he blew up with ESPN and everything else being that he was a Pittsburgh guy and,