 and there are abandoned dens located throughout the farm fields, and there are active dens. And I've got to tell you, for cattle, for horses, for even a tractor dropping a front tire in there and breaking a spindle, the aftermath of having too many groundhogs can be expensive, and often you can get permission to get the kids out there and get them on the farm, and maybe sneaking up close enough to try to take one with a .22 rifle.