 Look, there's not even discussion. The fishermen had no rights to even say, we don't want to do this. And that's what Roberts says. As we come back, go ahead, I'll tell you. Well, Roberts, let me tell you what Roberts says. Go ahead, Todd. Well, I was just going to say, in addition to that, the rulemaking, the other part that Chevron allowed or required was that courts then, in interpreting in subsequent cases, had to pay deference and use almost as precedent