 and make money, and continue to make money, and you pay that to us for the next 20 years. So sometimes there's alternatives of doing that to make him continue, but now they're shutting everything down. And look, I'm not blaming them at all, but I'm just saying there's other alternatives. Maybe there's a way that they could have said, hey, look, you keep doing your thing, but you're going to talk about how our children were wonderful kids. You know one thing? There is no alternative for Fred Penning.