 And again, take multiple measurements because these snakes don't like to sit still to be measured. It's not like putting a fish on a ruler. And folks, we're talking with Dave Koneski. And Dave is a wildlife conservation officer with the Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission, a waterways conservation officer. One of two recognized venomous snake handlers here in the northeast region of Pennsylvania. And we're talking in today's show about a unique season in Pennsylvania that's open today as of the 13th that allows