 and try to see if there's a way to quantify what this benefit has meant, not just to veterans and military members and their families, but to the American economy. And the number that he came up with is $3.9 trillion. That's trillion with a T. That's the amount of money that VA loans have contributed to the U.S. economy over its eight decades. So it has been a transformative benefit for veterans and military members, for sure, but it's also had a huge impact on