 and they treat you like a science project. They're like, yeah, well, what do you think about whatever? They start, like, grilling you. And it's fascinating, right? And I feel like a lab rat. But when we talk, we get to where you are. I find the same thing, where there's so much more consensus where they agree, or if I'll make a point, they'll go, yeah, you know what, that makes a lot of sense. And I think when... And this is why I try to not villainize the other side too much. I mean, of course I do. But I try to...