 2012 against Mitt Romney, and Romney wept the floor with him. And in both cases, the candidates, I think, of the incumbent president suffered from, I think, real overconfidence that they didn't prepare enough for their first debate. And so to that extent, I think the Biden people have done the right thing, which is take the hits from people who say he needs to be programmed up in Camp David for a couple of days in order to sort of maybe do OK tonight.