 Certainly, I mean, I respect those guys a lot. They've done everything that I've had to do and any other guy has to do. Obviously, they're farther along in their career, but basically, they're pretty close to my age, and I respect them a lot. I mean, it takes a lot of work to get where they're at, no matter how good people think they are or anything else. They've got to be good because it takes a lot of work, and NASCAR takes nothing away from that.