 and they're at the ready and you rebut and you and you and you and you argue and you just debate those points but you know that was one issue where all the points politically at least were in the president's favor and he just didn't seem to get them across very crisply or effectively so i mean that's if that's the best issue and it was at best maybe a draw for for for the president um there were a lot of other exchanges where um it didn't even hit that mark and i and i think uh you know the the first half hour that's when people make