 Jeff early in his career was kind of involved in the skate community and Spike was as well so they've kind of been in the same orbit for a long time so that's how he got involved as an interview subject and then how he got involved as an executive producer was you know we interviewed him for the film and then I was like hey we're a pretty good spot I want to could I bounce this off to you for some notes you know and then that note session became this longer dialogue where he was kind of like