 I you know when you grew up you just think of the physical I mean there are things that are invisible bacteria suppose and they tell you that exists you can see it under a microscope but you know God was just a very abstract for me and I didn't really believe it so this whole quest has been really to me just to get more data points for me which reaffirm uh which has helped convince me because I was really uh quite a skeptic um so not anymore