 And he didn't even care enough to say, listen, what do you need? And that was the moment, Kate, that two-hour period when I was on the plane. When I got back, I asked him if I was going to Michigan. I knew that I had to make changes in my life, and that's when I committed to make it happen. What's the next leap for Dave Sanderson? Find out coming up on Amazing Americans with me, Kate Delaney. More amazing...