 Irwin and John came on this program almost weekly for 20 years. And Judge David Carter is a dear personal friend of mine. So while I appreciate it's the first time I've seen anyone in print talk about Eastman versus Thompson, I won't talk about it because I don't talk about old colleagues, either John or Irwin. And I don't talk about friends who are on the bench like Judge Carter. But I compliment you for diving into it.