 And that's what you probably go back to when you get really old, when you've kind of gone 40, 50 years on an instrument. Then it seems like you go back to this point of just playing around like a child on the instrument and just having fun. It was Femi Kuti who was talking about that with me. He was just like, he's like, now the trumpet is just a place for me to play and mess around. And he's like, I had to stop the sax because I was getting back problems from holding it for like seven, eight hours a day or something like that.