 These competing factors, it grew in current dollars, declined when adjusted for inflation. We thought there was going to be a recession. Maybe people were cautious, but then the markets were great. I'm curious, Rachel, Erica, what was your experience, either in your organization, and Erica, I know you're here with AFP, but you also have a front row seat to the giving at CCAD, or what you heard from your colleagues as you talked to them at AFP?