 And when we look at who's still giving and who's giving large dollar amounts, it tends to be older donors. When we look at donor retention, year after year giving, it tends to be older donors. So the question for all of us is how do we engage the next generation of donors? At the Lilly Family School, we've worked very hard on this question, really thinking about how do we bring that next generation. The phrase that I use often is we need to meet those donors where they are.