 then you're moving down a spiritual path of Wicca. Now, if someone is Wiccan, they can be Wiccan, and they can also be what they consider a witch. But to be Wiccan, you don't have to be a witch. I know that sounds a little twisted, but when you're Wiccan, it's a choice whether you want yourself to be of that. Now, witchcraft, crafting, and that's where you start getting into ritual magic. You know, and...