 coming together musically while you were doing these other things. Like before maybe you even started to feel that pull that that was what you should do. Like what was music for you when you were doing the other stuff? We met at an open mic night, a songwriter open mic. So we were both interested in songwriting. I had written a few songs with my roommate and we were playing bar gigs and we both actually found this open mic night. It was both our first time attending it.