 How am I going to get out of a sinking plane? And that's when things start changing for pretty much everybody, including myself, inside the plane. So that moment comes, you realize that, and you realize it's about time. What do you, Dave Sanderson, do? What do you do, and what do the people around you do? Well, everybody just started doing their own thing. They were getting up and moving. The term I use that night with Katie Couric at CBS was it was control chaos, where everybody