 And those guys are larger than life. I mean, like Rusty Wallace. Rusty Wallace is one of those drivers. He wasn't into people. Thank God Rusty's still around. He's still hanging out. But I hope John pulls through it. But it's one of those things. We all look at those people larger than life. I mean, Michael Jordan, larger than life. And he's still alive. But it's one of those things that people don't look at.