 And so I went and saw my boss. He said, that's the way it is. So I looked for another job, and I got another job in Chicago, moved my family to Chicago. And the night before I was to leave at the going-away party, my boss's boss's boss came up from New York to convince me to stay. Is that Ruben Guthoff? No. Yeah, he did. And then his boss played also, both of them. I see. And Ruben Guthoff made the case.