 The presence that is required for fly fishing, TJ, you and I fish a long time, and we kind of know fly fishing differs a lot from doing lure fishing or perhaps bait fishing where it's not so much a passive event, put your line in the water, hang tight, and wait for fish to come around. We're very interactive in fly fishing because at the end of the day, we're not trying so much to attract a fish as to fool it by matching its natural environment and things that are already happening in the river.