 It's also a question of how will temperament go down? These two men can get angry sometimes, both of them. And does the American public like to see a little passion and some anger? And how much is too much? If they kind of snap and tell each other to shut up, like we saw four years ago when Biden said that to Trump, that actually turned out kind of well for him, I think. People saw a little spark and that he wasn't going to be walked all over.