 I think the stakes are significant for both of them, but I'm not surprised that Biden is taking a lot of time to try to prep this. Ben votes with us, professor at SMU, director of debate and rhetoric there and speech. So he's giving us an insight about what goes into this. This is what bothered the Trump camp. I spoke to him last night. He said, okay, got two minutes, then one minute, then one minute for a rebuttal to the rebuttal. And then at the discretion of the moderators, one minute for clarification.