 But he says, for now, the science says same-sex marriage in the United States, which was legalized nationwide in 2015, but those marriages have been performed since 2004, 20 years ago. It's been a positive development. We have seen so much hate recently directed at LGBTQ Americans, right? We've seen pride flags torn down. We've seen assaults, right? And yet the same-sex marriage part of it has not necessarily been the first thing on a lot of these assailants' minds, right? So I guess I'm wondering...