 Welcome back to Talk of the Town with John Adams. I'm here with Commissioner Denise Kopech, and we're getting into the weeds, as they like to say, but I think it's good for people to have this conversation. One thing that I say on this show is it's about dialogue. You don't have to agree with me. I don't have to agree with you, but we need to have dialogue because it brings about understanding. So to the people that I have met,