 And the question, the independents put them over the top last time. Will they do it again this time four years later? Mary Bruce, stick right there. You're with us for the coverage tonight. Let's bring in Rick Kleiner, political director over at the big board tonight. And Rick, of course, these new national polls that are just out tonight, they show just how close this race is. And of course, our new 538 polls of polls.