 Look at this. It's a phobia. I don't think I'm less afraid of now than what I used to be. In fact, a few years ago, I was down in Colorado. I'd gone on a hike with a friend of mine. We came down and there was probably four and a half foot. I think it was a bull snake down by the Colorado. Yeah, very cool. So I came down. It was right by the Colorado River and Glenwood Canyon there. And he's just kind of ambling along the side of the trail. Good for rodents.