 He said, well, there's no people in this room. He said, well, who am I talking to? Well, he was talking to me at home. I was watching it on TV. He realized you could watch it on TV and see their debate. If it's on radio, you can listen to radio. So the campaign has changed a little bit. Thurnberg, I didn't see her winning with that huge margin, basically. I mean, she was top voter early on. And it just seemed like, wow, there's a group out here that really liked her as a candidate.