 and are full of bureaucracy and red tape, a lot of frustration. So, I mean, if you just went and did the same thing in the private sector, usually you get a raise. Yes, and it would be slightly more enjoyable just from the environment change that you're pointing out. But let's say that he's in a government job. Let's play this out. And I would say, okay, what are you really good at? And he says, I'm really good at process stuff, detail stuff. Okay, great.