 Debates for president since I was a child, right? 1976, the first one I remember. The press doesn't care about the substance. What they care about is the optics and the zingers. Sure. Right. And that's always how it's been going back to like the first one. I remember in 76 with Carter and Ford, the zingers are what matters or the mistakes are what matters. And so the substance of what people say, I think it's worthwhile for people to read the transcript.