 16 the minute they could work they haven't stopped working and they really like working and both of them are a little bit proud where they they tend not to ask for for help from me or from their mom so i think that's pretty cool uh but it took a while to get there but there's a lot of people that poopoo generation z tell us why oh first of all i love what you and your wife are doing with your kids that is greatness that's the same thing that happened to me i'm on the