 young skulls full of mush, you're not going to get a lot of feedback. There might be some questions, but nobody's going to engage him like this. So I think this is probably the hardest time he's had. Now, he's a big boy. He can either say, no, I just I can't handle this. Or he can come on and he can defend his position, which I think is great. I love to hear opposing positions. There is a chance to learn something new if I'm open minded. But most of the time,