 And they think that they know more than other people know and other people have dealt with. We're not the first people to deal with this. But he got to a place that he thought he knew all this and he said, it was too painful for me. What's the point? I should just quit. What's the point? It's just too painful for me. This doesn't do any good. But he found out that what he thought he knew was actually foolishness.