 And when he was going through those hard times and making his mistakes and doing those ugly things, did he talk about God? Yes, he did. Okay. So you kind of get an idea that for whatever reason, you've been strong enough to push yourself through that to separate and see God and the things of God separate from your father and your father as a broken man trying to make his way. But it seems like your brother has not gotten to that place yet. And he probably associates the two.