 I don't think there's any law of war that says you can start a war and then when you begin to lose it, you say, let's pretend we didn't start it. And I was with the Ukrainian armed forces when they're retaking land from the Russians and nobody was saying, oh, hold on, don't win too much. Everyone was egging them on. Gideon said an appalling thing just there, that this is not about annihilation.