 we converting or can he just take out a bunch he could just take it out and pay the tax on it yeah right i think that's what i would do i don't even think you have to convert because they've got so much money and there's you know there's no there's no kids so i mean just take the money out pay the taxes do and add it to your brokerage account that's what i would do good idea mark brilliant brilliant i mean either way it's you know it's ordinary income