 He calls and asks if I have another key. I guess he was working on it. Well, the rest is history. The key I took him solved the problem. Here's the question. How soon do you know the key has failed? And I had been asked if all the lights came on when the key is inserted and turned. My point is this. Is the key being treated as a key or a more important part of the trouble algorithm? Aletheia, and she gives me her email, Violet Pank.