 I'm going to be careful here because I don't think it's appropriate for a spokesman to, you know, to be speaking about private conversations with my principal. But because it's a fair question, I will tell you that from my experience and I've only known the president for two and a half years, as you know, I came over to the White House fairly recently and I didn't have a prior relationship with him. But from my experience over the last two and a half years.