 Lost. Maybe he was young, maybe not so young. And the Lord showed him he was lost and then saved him. But oh, I hope he don't tell you that he was saved, baptized when he was seven years old because his mama wanted him to be a preacher and his pastor wanted him to be a preacher and his Sunday school teacher wanted him to be a preacher. So he went on to schools thinking about being a preacher and went to the Bible school and came out.