 Well, absolutely. In those days, we had several arguments. They always involved baseball, Dodgers, Yankees, Giants, and involved musicians, would you believe? We used to argue, and we didn't know what we were talking about. But we'd argue about Artie Shaw and Benny Goodman, and we didn't know a thing about music. Well, you figured if you started a good argument on the baseball field, you might as well carry it to a few different subjects.