 So Vermont doesn't try to take away your guns. They have constitutional carry laws. Okay, so what are they doing different there? I mean, are the people different? No, it's just that the gun laws, having strict gun laws, don't reduce murder. Right. Chicago has one of the most, or they have the most strict gun laws there, and the murder rate there is among the very highest in the country. In Vermont, gun ownership is about 50%.