 um a video conference of some kind so thursday really will be a huge moment where we see the president um himself actually having to speak off the cuff and answer questions and that's going to be a critical moment for biden and his campaign so what i think is interesting is if he's if the poll numbers you know the look at the emerson poll he's trailing in every battleground state it's a little bit better in the bloomberg poll but that's more of a a tracking poll and