 And he was also the first black man I ever met who called himself a Republican. And that really was what started me on my journey to conservatism, all those discussions. And I was listening to Rush Limbaugh in my dad's car, in my father-in-law's car. I didn't want to change the radio station. And he he said this. He said, we make bad decisions out of fear and you shouldn't go to the ballot box voting out of fear.