 just about as big around the pencil head, and it goes for days down in that garden. You can't even dig them up with a shovel. I've got another species of grass. It's got a fat, round root, and it goes for days down into the garden. You can't even pull them up. And my question was, you can't pull them up. You can't even dig them up. You'd have to dig a hole to shine them. My question was, if I put round up on those, they'll kill them. You get them out of my garden. Well...