 And every time I would finish a paragraph, a copy boy would pull the copy out and they'd take it for editing. That's how I learned to be a reporter and a journalist. So after Obituaries, what did you do with the New York Times? I finally got into the culture news department, working with Jack Gould, also a Mississippian, who was the television editor. And I began writing many reviews of movies that were being shown on television. And that led me to work with Charlotte Curtis, who at that time,