 So in that lust, they overlook facts. They overlook truth. They overlook the lack thereof of calling. And they go and they join the church and they create a church and they do all that stuff and they're not called by God. And eventually they hurt people and they fail and the church comes crumbling down. Just like Carl Lentz and some of these other people. I don't believe they were called to ministry. I believe a person chose them to do ministry because their charisma and their ability to fundraise.