 including Apple. I don't know if the guy has an Apple or not, but they have end-to-end encryption on their messages and stuff like that. So even if Apple wanted to pull it from their servers, they couldn't do so because it's encrypted on their side and on the phone side, and you need essentially both keys to be able to see the message. And if you don't have both keys, which is one being on that phone, you're not going to be able to see messages and things like that.