 was trying to fulfill my responsibility to the American public to tell them the truth, that it's not going to go away like magic, and we don't have magic elixirs like hydroxychloroquine. And when he decided he wasn't going to believe any of that, then he brought in people who would tell him what he wanted to hear, like Scott Atlas, who came in and told him exactly what he wanted to hear. So that's when we had the tension between he and I. But in the beginning,