 yeah so uh we uh he actually uh we never really uh catfished much um we went fishing at a place my granddad used to carry me uh a couple days before and we uh caught he caught his first catfish on a rod and reel he'd been grappling uh before with my dad on pickwick lake and uh i don't think we ever really targeted catfish we brim fish and stuff like that and uh