 uh like uh maude as example i knew she had to be there for her reasons and stuff and i had to get to know her and that was a bit of a struggle because she's not really a very nice person so it took a bit of a bit more work for me to get to know her and feel comfortable in her company um mr james young mr james yes i had to get to know him and i had to get him to grow a bit as well because he was quite a young well in my terms young um