 18 when it all first started, yeah. Wow. When they got together to work together, their first big project that succeeded was Joseph and the Amazing Color Dreamcoat, which was done as a children's 20-minute program for a children's choir. And then it grew and grew and grew, and they kept writing more songs, and they kept making it longer and longer and longer until they finally got a staging and a recording in the U.K. And then the rest is history.