 And it feels very similar to the betrayal of an affair, except this is not as simple as a person that you can just get rid of and say, never talk to that person again. Right. So the addiction stays. And so I think it kind of I think that description describes it really well and probably resonates with some of your listeners and that it feels like there's a third person here. And both of them are saying this, right? Both the husband and wife.