 you have to at least have some interest in what the other person thinks and feels. And I think that happens for both of them. Absolutely. So Vicky, as Vigo said, Vivian is also an independent spirit, but she decides to hitch her wagon, so to speak, to Holger. But then he goes off to fight for the Union in the Civil War. That breaks out and he makes that decision. What does that decision mean for each of them individually?