 yeah go there with him but no but but a really a really amazing amazing guy with his jj reddick hire with the lakers they were talking about how most people hired without coaching experience haven't done well historically but kerr was the exception because he that was his first gig was with the warriors as a coach but they were like yeah but he had phil jackson for five years and he had popovich for six years and then he was gm for four years so well but