 um as a good father so i think we can look at this at the history of the scriptures we can look at the history of the saints we can see we can see that suffering has this ordering in the in the sovereign will of god as you said the book of job you know towards the good and towards that he's going to draw good out of it but how that actually looks in our lives date you know day to day isn't always clear and i think we have to kind of come to terms with that