 physician and educator, I think he's at one of the top university hospitals in New York, he says in all of his years, never once did he ever see a situation where for the life of the mother, they would need to kill the unborn child. You know, depending upon the term, could be a C-section, but he said there were always ways to preserve the life of the mother without having to resort to killing the child. Maybe you could play that for your friend.