 And where is this going? Eric Niffin joins me today. He's the founder of his own law practice. You can find him at NiffinLaw.com. That's K-N-I-F-F-I-N. He's a fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center where he helps lead its HHS accountability project. And he's been with me many times. We've spoken about religious liberty issues many, many times here. Eric, good to have you back. Good afternoon.