 that are due to them and not really involved though in the details of our lives but that couldn't be farther from the truth father absolutely not this is why the roshi is so powerful because when you're meditating on the mysteries which i'm sure we'll get to uh but in that sense that no but that sense of um walking through in a contemplative way the actual experiences that mary had and she can relate to us in other words in other words the suffering the sorrows the struggle