 yeah i think that's right and i guess that goes back to also the question of like not over romanticizing like whatever comes like it's oh well this is not the kind of suffering i expected you know maybe it's a mental illness or maybe it's some kind of you know struggles that you didn't expect in a friendship it's just something kind of out of the blue and like but but to not discount it and it's something that god is still sovereign of and he can still draw good out of it yeah yeah very good redemptive suffering is our topic here on the inner life today with our spiritual director father carter griffin rector of saint john paul ii seminary