 I mean, there's some obvious you can say, well, some suffering is our own fault. You do something, you push people away and then you're lonely. Okay, well, don't push people away. There's obviously some of that. But then there's kind of there's a sufferings or maybe of innocent people or children. And you sort of think about how is this possible? I think the first thing is to say what maybe I think I said earlier, which is that no