 That was Anita Ramaswamy of The Information. This conversation was part of our Tech Week in Review segment. You can find it in full on our website, marketplace.org slash techbytes. Daniel Shin produced this episode. Jesus Alvarado and Rosie Hughes also produced our show. Gary O'Keefe is our engineer. Daisy Palacios is our senior producer. Kelly Silvera is our executive producer. I'm Lily Jamali, and that's Marketplace Tech.