 But look, equally in our own time, I can readily think of many pillars of the church. You know, I think of Pope Francis, who's old and he's sick and he's there in his wheelchair, but he's doing his best. Is he perfect? By no means. But he's doing his best according to the mission that has been given to him in this life, which is to be the successor of St. Peter, to be the head of the church here on earth.