 very low on liturgy. We didn't have much liturgy, a lot of praise and worship, that sort of thing. And from a very young age, I always felt a calling to be a pastor. And so when it came time to go to college, I went to a place called Oral Roberts University, which is in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Oral Roberts was a big revivalist sort of tent preacher back in the 60s, was really his heyday, the 60s and the 70s.