 maintaining it and you're very right drew to bring up the fact that John Adams who most famously said it but other founders as well talked about the fact that our system needs a virtue in order to survive even with all the checks and balances and everything else you know we need people who have virtue and in their mind certainly understood virtue coming from religion because at the end of the day only a virtuous people are fit for liberty you know we don't we don't want to live in that we depend on most of the people obeying most of the laws most of the time