 Tom Verlaine has got, um, mimeograph sheets now. Um, when did you feel like, uh, when did you feel like you were there? Was it when you got to art school? What is there? What do you mean there? I mean, like that you were, that you were inside the thing that you imagined being inside. I mean, you weren't literally inside of CBGB scene. No, at the time you're, you're a thousand miles away from that. But, um, art school is a whole, a whole other deal.