 a couple that were kind of a mentor couple for my wife and I back in the early days when we had just a bunch of small kids. And this couple, I don't know, they were probably 25 years older than we were and they had a bunch of kids, seven or eight, I think. But they kind of took a liking to us and we took a liking to them and they kind of became a mentor couple for us and we could go to them for advice and they'd help us out and they were just good role models for us.