 we're falling into that tendency to just kind of see God as operating exclusively within the bounds of this world. Whereas, in fact, we know that the lives of all the saints were subjected to suffering. And so I would suggest maybe in an answer to those who think that, which is a very rational way to think. I mean, it's not... Our approach to suffering is something we receive through revelation by being Christians. So the more we come to know the Bible, the more we understand this, and the more we understand our faith, the more we grasp...