 probably a good 10 years ago, maybe 12 years ago, and he said the following, the next terrorist attack won't be trying to take down two buildings. The next time it's going to be attacking the mall or assassinating the local police chief. That's what the terrorists will do. They learned that taking down those buildings broke our hearts, but it didn't break our country. And we've talked about it here many times in the aftermath of 9-11.