 and that you don't have to have both in order to have all. So if that line of reasoning is not helpful, then let me try another one. Then I have to take a quick break, but I'll come back to you, Catherine. And the other line of reasoning would be that if you, you know what, why don't we do this since we're almost out of time to take a break. Let me take the break now, and I'll come right back to you, and we'll pick it up from there. Sound good? Sounds good.