 they didn't work the first time take them again you know rather than offering what these women needed the surgery and the value of the physical evaluation many times they wouldn't even let them come in for a visit they just shunted them um you know into give it some more time one woman was told to rub her belly it would help her bleeding to stop and um and so i've seen these women in my private practice as well when they could not get back into the abortionist um