 And then he went back in his office to his next appointment, and I sat down. Father Paul Demuth, who really is a salesman, came out and said, oh, I didn't even realize you were here. And I said, well, Father Paul, you can save your sales pitch because Bishop Zubik told me he wants me to go out to Apaca. And so we kind of worked that in, and I was able to get there fairly soon, right around Easter time, as they asked.