 And papers that I knew nothing about the style we had to write the papers. And I would just say, look, I don't know what I'm doing. I need your help. And they loved it. You're talking about like APA or MLA style, that type of formatting? Yes. In Chicago, yes. Turabian is what I had to write in. And I had a two-inch thick book. And that was not my skill set. And I really had to swallow my pride. I tried it on my own for a long time.