 I mean, even from the life of Jesus himself. I mean, he was relieving suffering constantly of the sick and raising the dead. So he was relieving suffering in his own ministry, and that's certainly what the church has done through the centuries. So anyone who says that the church somehow glorifies suffering or is kind of masochistic or something like that, it just clearly doesn't either know the scriptures or the history of the church. At the same time, there has to be the other side of it, which is to say that God is greater than suffering, and that suffering is something that every human being has to go through.