 through pop-up groups designed to look like innocent grassroots outfits. And I think we saw a lot of that in the 2020 election with those seemingly innocuous-sounding organizations promoting democracy. That's usually how they put themselves. Anyway, I want to get into this with somebody who understands it so well. He wrote the book on it. That's right. Our guest, Scott Walter. He's president of Capital Research Center, and he's with us now. Scott Walter, welcome to the program.