 without labeling it. It's transmitted, and it's an experience of the heart beyond the intellectual experience. So I encourage, as your last speaker just did with the Naturalist Program, people that just have an interest to go in that direction, and you don't have to have a whole lot of names. I had a grandmother who used to take us around and tell us all the names of the wildflowers in the spring, all the spring ephemerals. And