 And while I was there, I was studying theology, and I was becoming more and more acquainted with the early church fathers and that sort of thing, and becoming less dissatisfied with my own ability to be a pastor in that sort of a tradition. Because if you're not familiar with those pastors, they're all excellent public speakers. They're very charismatic. They're very extroverted. They're great at their job. That's why they're so successful.