 And one of the other currents in the Catholic Church that didn't rise up solely at the time of Vatican II, I mean, it had existed before that, but it's another heresy called iconoclasm. And that was more or less snuffed out in the church by the end of the eighth century. St. John Damascene, the last of the church fathers, is the one who sort of oversaw the destruction of that heresy, which was to destroy images.