 And transparency was a more convenient way to do that. It's not the legacy Julian Assange would want, but he has revolutionised mainstream newsrooms. It not only skilled up newsrooms to realising they needed people who could code, who could do data, it taught newsrooms collaboration. The Guardian and the New York Times would never have worked together before WikiLeaks and have collaborated time and again since. For things like Snowden, and I worked on the Snowden documents,