 I know this sounds like completely counterintuitive language, but again, it's Democrats I'm talking about. There would be immeasurable excitement about her, not Michelle Obama-style excitement, but she ain't running. She wants no part of this. But Kamala Harris would bring an appreciable voter excitement that doesn't exist with Biden and doesn't exist with almost any other name. So don't sneeze at this Kamala thing. We'd have to fight and fight hard to beat her. I pray that we could.