 dave mccormick's gotta be there he wants to be pennsylvania center is iraq war that west point guys probably have a sense of what's going on and i was struck by a few things number one he was number two is he was able to get it give us an eyewitness account give me an eyewitness account transferred over to the show of what was going on he said they were definitely shots because the initial report from the white house was there was an incident i'm thinking of myself how did you hear those pops and you see the blood how could you say there's an incident having said that