 Jeff, that was like, what was that? That was so low quality. Was that Joe giving an interview in like a tin can? What was that? No, that's called he's using the speakerphone because you could actually hear him ruffling through papers. He was reading every answer that he had. That's why he wasn't on camera. And he did that for a TV show? Yeah, Trump used to do that all the time because Trump could do whatever he wanted because the ratings are good. This is the first time I think I've ever seen him do this. So does that mean he's desperate?