 Informal meetings are different than our regular meetings where we typically have one or two items on the agenda. In this case, it is this one item. And it gives us the opportunity to discuss it a little bit further and longer than we would typically during a meeting. And this is a normal practice of the city council for items that have a lot more detail and a lot more information involved. And depending on the scope and size of the petition or the request or the project or whatever is in front of us,