 but that is largely believed to have had an impact, even though I would argue that there was groundswell. You could see it before. This is different. I'm going to argue this is different, and I'm someone who argues debates don't have an enormous amount of power, and the reason is you have to meet a certain bar, and we even have a name for it. It's called a presidential bar. It's not that hard, and during a debate, a nominee will