 the open transparency of the public to be able to comment on the topic of the meeting. Within the informal meeting, there can be something called a draw vote. And for members of the public that are unfamiliar with what that is, that is a vote that we take. It's informal. It is not official. The purpose of it is, or one of the purposes of it is for the council to get a sense of how the rest of the council feels at that moment.