 and so i thought i'd at least ask and that's why a lot of us had landed on the the 10 millimeter but yep interesting conversation and the 460 roland if people interested they can look that up again there's uh created by i think johnny roland was the guy who created it unless he worked with somebody else i don't know for sure so uh you know it's interesting cartridges there you go hey thanks for the call i appreciate that i am glad that people are thinking in terms of if i'm walking around out there i need to be carrying something even if you're not in bear country