 I believe it was you, Art, first of all, that was asking why there was such a big change in the Catholic Church. And I was just going to suggest that if you think about it, there's probably no other religion anywhere that's quite as organized as that. So if you're wanting to weaken something, that'd be a good place to hit first, wouldn't it? Yes, it would. He's quite right. And for the father there, I wondered, has he encountered any things that are left from before? There were...