 oftentimes people worked with their cpa for twenty five years and i think you know it's my best friend now we go to lunch all the time they can walk why did you ask him tax questions during these lunches because he's caution you tens of thousands of dollars a year i don't have a single friend i like that much they actually spend twenty thousand dollars extra just to be their friend at some point yet the level up to the advice level the other thing is maturity not only do we mature in business and we mature in age