 Let's hit on that when we come back. We need to take our first break. My guest is Gil Arouset. He is a representative from the Western States Regional Council of Carpenters. If you ever want to get a hold of them for more information or want to talk to them and discuss something, the number you can reach Gil at is 208-800-1136. It's 208-800-1136. Back after these messages from the sponsors that make this show possible.