 This is weird. And he's going on to my son and explaining why there are advantages to this one over that one. And I thought, what is going on? And I said, could we have this conversation between you and me? Would that be all right? And he said, this is the way we always do it. And then he goes back. He doesn't even look at me. He goes back to look at my son and saying, if you have this kind, food is going to get stuck in there and it could cause this. But if you get this kind, I said, wait a second.