 was the biggest wake-up call there was well i'm guessing before october 7th it was possible but it was never possible in the minds of the palestinians that's the difference i think israel was certainly open to it and in fact some say october 7th happened because israel got a little complacent they said hey we got a lot of peace for a long time i think we're good uh and then october 7th happens and that all just leaves so the only numbers we're getting out of gaza the casualty numbers are from hamas