 pick jd vance i mean he has first of all he has a very compelling story it was made into uh his book best-selling book you know i think it was very compelling to hear him talk about his grandmother his mama who helped raise him it's pronounced mama as the country folks say mama can i just say i grew up in texas not appalachia but my maternal grandmother was a mama okay so mama uh but his old mother was also who was 10 10 years sober also in the