 See, what Guy wanted was for me to say, oh, I didn't know that, so I could show my ignorance. What I said to Guy was, at what point did it become part of so-called gay culture to do this in front of kids? And I'll never forget this. Guy said, just because it happened once doesn't mean it's a thing. I said, it's a thing. It's organized top-down, and it was. It was.