 yes there's no way to know the actual numbers there and if you talk about you know so-called civilians and i use that term loosely because so many of those civilians i put that in quotes took part in the october seventh massacre were part of those who kidnapped israeli hostages held them celebrated when rockets were fired into israel so you have to keep in mind that not everyone who claims to be a civilian or who hamas reports as a civilian is a civilian but numbers really shouldn't be what what the focus is here