 as opposed to union leaders. But Joe Biden has talked many, many times and patted himself on the back and saying he's the most pro-union president in history, and his connections to unions are a very important part of his political organization. They're not the power that they used to be. There used to be one-third of American workers were in unions. Today it's about 10 or 11 percent, and the classic union member is not a male president.