 maybe science already has figured it out and it's just hidden away from us that we don't know about it yet. But definitely if you were an advanced, um, you know, if you were an advanced alien race, most likely that would be your technology because you wouldn't be in three dimensions, right? So, so there's some ideas for you to play with. And you know, I talk about this in some of my other podcasts and so you can go check those out as well. More with Dr. Doug Matzke. Doug, how did you get involved in this, these kinds of subjects?