 botany or hands-on whatever just so they know where their passions lie by the time they get into high school and they can start pursuing you know their best future well that's what I we got to take a quick break we're going to take a break here we're talking with Brad Howlett trustee in the Cascade School District I'm intrigued I wish we had Brad Howlett's at every level in every district I live in a small district now my kids attend public schools in a small district I don't know it well yet