 And neither one of them were even willing to consider it. And so it's an interesting dynamic. As we present ideas with you, don't get frustrated if it's something you can't implement right away. It takes a little bit of time. I just know that with time, if you'll look and consider some of the situations, you will get the strength at some point to say, I'm going to change my DNA a little bit. I'm going to change my instinct a little bit. I'm going to change my culture just a little bit.