 And of course it's not, if she had said to me, no, I practice Wicca and I worship the devils or I worship idols or I worship this world. And no, I don't have any belief or attachment to the Lord Jesus or to, as you call him, or the Virgin Mary or the angels. That would be a different story. But you can't say you've left the church when you honor these people and when you live a moral life.