 yeah but when i ask people who call into you know i love naysayers who call the show i say look do you think there's going to be a result that has russia defeated and entirely out of ukraine and they'll say no that's not likely at all i say do you think there's going to be a result with russia taking all of ukraine and and that that will be the end of it and they say no that's not likely i said so so there has to be some point in the middle