Yeah,a and in fact in the programme I  th the one that Barbara was in, I can remember the er, as it happens, I, I was out er when that programme came on and I taped it so I s I, I've still got that particular programme, and the lady at the end  er on one of her questions she'd obviously forgotten what she was going to say er and sort of made something up and er she turned to er as they were just panning away from her, she turned to her next door neighbour and more or less said  I forgot what I was going to say, you know.