er and of course I've known Walter for years but I don't know his wife, I've never met his wife and of course not being able to get out into the street now, I should get out for about two years after I lost my husband and then I got this er awful pain  nobody knows unless they have it er this arthritis in my knees, you see, and erm and then I found that it was too much for me to er otherwise I used to walk up to the post box  road and I used to count the steps, three hundred and something steps there and three hundred and something back, you see, and  to the front door, you see, but I, I can't do it now but I have with help and I went out last year with er Mrs  and er twice we went to Dulwich which I enjoyed and so did she and the last time we went to  and er  we had our lunch and we went to see my cousins at West Suffolk  and  and, and then came home again, you see, and that's the only time I went out last year and usually I used to go to  for a day and I am hoping that if I, I am hoping, well you can only hope, that I might perhaps go so out one Sunday, once, just once in the , you see, because er,th that's when  when you're old you've got to keep, you've got to hope for something