When I was er, you know this Saturday morning work and weekend you know this weekend, but not Saturday morning this weekend work and holiday work at a tailors in Runcorn, the manager of that shop, gentleman's outfitters right, the manager of that shop, there's two other men worked in there full time and myself at holidays and weekends or if they were on holiday you'd have to work, you know, the erm to cover one of those and he, the manager was brought up, he's, brought up, his training was in Liverpool, in tailors where they, a man would produce a suit for somebody 