true, a lot of people died in iraq. most of them were either killed by our military, or they WERE our military. this was all caused by piss poor planning, and a fundamental lack of understanding about middle-eastern mentality. but should we continue to sit in our own feces because of how bad it will stink if we take off the diaper?  we can't secure iraq by our presence. the reason it's in chaos is because we created the environment. get where i'm going with this?