My uncle was in the Navy. He loved it. But then he got posted to HMAS ADelaide and the Howard government created the bald faced lie of Children over board. My uncle felt betrayed and humiliated by the government he said he had always supported. Now he is not in the Navy, no longer a happy man and angry at the world. Thanks Howard, and you ask us to join the defence forces while you're in charge? No freakin' way mate!