Lol, I have read every manga episode, if I'm going to make an arguemnt I back it up with facts. No, I knew yondaime was dead since the first episode, and I called people dumb who thought otherwise. As for obito, we never saw die. Come back here when we find out that tobi is obito, we will see who is rite or wrong. Bottom line is oro couldn't live that long in the first place, it's natural for someone that strong to die sooner or later. If anything, it's madaras soul, obito body.