I ordered these boots at the end of September (the 30th), and got them on the 13th. Not a bad pace for shipping you don't have to pay for. When I first tried them on, they were extremely stiff. Never owning a winter boot quite like this before, I figure this is expected. I decided to wear them to an employee party to break them in, and that's all it took! They're extremely comfortable, and almost too warm for the weather in WA right now. But, I know they'll only keep pleasing me. One thing I have noticed is when I wore them without socks and tried to pull them off, it's like it was trying to pull the liner out? I don't know, though.