chain is not 17", it's 11... shorter than anything that was "too short" thus a deal breaker... so the reason I SPECIFICALLY BOUGHT this product was not even as described. the feel is alright. it feels like a cheap wallet. but for my $18 shipped I could have bought a significantly nicer one. the leather is good, that's why I gave it a star. the money pocket is too deep and too short, that's why it lost a star. the chain is... lets face it useless... I've lost MORE money because this stupid chain- THE REASON I BOUGHT IT- is about 8" shorter than anything I wanted to buy.

it's a good product, but not as pictured, and not as described. but I have to give 3 stars for leather and quality. no ring either though :/

would not recommend...