These pants are not bad. I bought them the same time as I bought Dickies Women's Relaxed Cargo Pant. These pants are not as soft or relaxed as the cargo pant. The fit is a little tighter than the cargo pant but otherwise they are ok. If you can get these on sale they are a decent deal. I probably won't buy again but it's always nice to have a black pant in the closet and these are definitely better value for the price.