I had to return these because when I tried them on my left foot went numb because they were so tight, after only two minutes, and the toe part of the shoe was also too long for my taste; reminiscent of a clown shoe. I have a medium to narrow foot so I tend to do well in M (medium) shoes. I got the black and the leather was hard and cheap looking. I thought that the style was just what I'd been looking for but these didn't measure up in any way at all.