These are great shirts and great material. I wish that they were not as expensive as I feel the price is above moderately priced; but I they fit better than most men's shirts. If a man has pecs, this shirt will plunge slightly and reveal the pectoralis major and minor. If a man has biceps (or regrettably, not) this shirt will ride middle of biceps- higher than most short sleeve shirts. It is attractive. However, white is a poor color and regardless of washing practices, the white turns grey fairly quickly.