I wish I had believed the reviews of THIS MODEL 180s because these are chincier than many other 180s I've owned (and lost), and are quite loose, even for my large head. And they seem poorly made!  They don't close well over the ears so wind gets in. I bought cheap and have paid the price for that. Do NOT get the "Urban Ear Warmer" model of the 180s. sometimes ya gotta believe the reviews . . .  What's happened to the 180s brand???? May be time to buy different brand.