These are not what I expected.  Maybe good for showing dress gloves for the well dresses man who heading to a wedding.  Very shinny finish and feminine looking.  The gloves I bought before were incredible but they are not available any longer so I bought these :(  -  Deerskin is better I guess...sorry I lost my glove...but I still have one left :)  Try to find them elsewhere.  30.00 down the drain....