first these pants are not loose fit; they were tight and normally 34's fit me fine.  then when i tried to return these pants it was a headache cuz the company elite hero did not want to honor amazon's return policy, and when i finally got them agree to they ended up scheisting me on the refund and return shipping. paid around or a little more than 30 only got back 20 even though they claimed it was a full refund. perhaps the price had dropped on these since i bought them but the refund is supposed to be based upon what you paid. will not do business with this company again.