I can't understand how anybody can rate these even one star. First, they are so tight (and I own two other 180s and this is way different), and seem more cheaply made. Most important is how the ear buds connect to the ear muff--WTF!  The connector is on the INSIDE of the muff  It's made so the cable sticks into your head. Just stupid. And the sound! I had to crank up my iPhone full to even hear it and the sound was muddy, worse than ANY other ear bud. And I paid full price???!!! Glad I have Prime so I can send them back. El Crapolo!!!