These pants are lighter than khakis. I didn't even try them on. Jeans are work pants, not some fashion statement. These things are paper-thin and not acceptable on any level. They aren't even a suggestion of Levi's. I suggest you shop in the store for Levi's, in order to avoid a waste of time such as I experienced. I'd give zero stars were it an option. I'd swear, if it were allowed. These are bad pants.