I am amongst the hundreds of people who hate the fit change Levi's made to the 505's. The old trusted "standard" fit zip fly 505 was changed to "regular" fit, including a drop in the waist. I agree that the lower rise waist is a deal-breaker for those who prefer a straight leg jean that fits "at the waist". My solution, just get the original fit 501! It's just a great normal fitting jean for normal guys. Yes, the button fly is a bit of a pain, but well worth the trouble to have a jean that fits like my former old favorite, the 505. Plus, my wife is happy, she says 501's are what hottie's wear!