for tactical pants that are a must when you are on a super secret squirrel mission, smokN EVIL doers, and basically killN 'em all and lettN God sort 'em out... only kidding - but still, they are comfortable and the pockets are super useful and they seem to be well made... bought them for a deployment that was CANX'd for all the wrong reasons... but now just wearN them to my normal, non-tactical IT job, and loveN life despite minor setbacks here and there...