** update 3/14/2013 ** ok, after having these and washing them a few times, they are now my favorite pants. the cell phone pocket ended up being one of my favorite things about these pants that holds my iphone while in its case. they also seem to be holding up well and have a better fit the Tru Spec 24-7. they may run just a tad tight in the waist but it does have an elastic waist band and that makes it where i have pants that do not require a belt, for once.  the knife pocket is still weird but thats minor.

i am torn between these and the Tru Spec 24-7 tactical pants. these 5.11's have a better overall fit but some of the minor issues on the 5.11's are not on the Tru Specs. those minor issues are #1 i do not like the cell phone pocket #2 i do not like the knife pocket and #3 lose threads after washing. while these issues are minor; #3 is taken care of by a lighter, i will have to wait and see how well these hold up compared to the Tru Spec. these are just a tad tight in the waist after washing, but they still are a better fit and less baggy. i will update my review after a few months and a few washing/work week cycles.