These mitts are huge! Theyre meant to have a mitt liner, to bad that even with the liners i got from fox river; they still are a sloppy fit. This past winter i used the chopper mitts with the fox river mitt liners and a pair of fingerless leather gloves added to em. They may be bulky this way, but its the only way to get them to fit properly. If your considering them, get your liners first & then measure your hand to get a better fit; don't go by their sizing recommendations.