Beware, I did not notice that the leather in these shoes is wrinkled.  And then the pair I happened to get had this funny pouch at the top of the foot just under the laces.  It looked really funny, I tried several different things to try to eleviate the problem to no avail.  Sent them packing!!  They seemed to run long in length and a little wider than most fryes I've tried.  Overall big. more like a man shoe size!