I ended up buying the more expensive Biom shoe by Ecco. I thought the leather used in this shoe was stiff and of lower quality that the Biom, so I switched to the :-( more expensive Biom. I do like the diamond lug cleats on this shoe, however. Wearing the same shoe to drive and golf in makes sense to me. Also leaves less marking on the green. Whatever! They do make a similar tread shoe that has the higher quality leather for a higher price. Worth checking out.