These are great. The ATACS  camo pattern is the best. They are heavy stitched, roomy, and made of heavy duty material. I like the BDUs over the ACUs because the BDUs have buttons for the fly and pockets. From experience, I know that hook-and-loop closures will fill with dirt quickly and you will find the equipment etc you had in your pockets missing because the pocket flaps will not close properly when the velcro is filled with dirt. Buttons are a simple and reliable technology. KISS: Keep It Simple and Straightforward. That motto has served me well. These pants are a great buy. Thanks Propper.