This the second tagless FOTL boxer briefs I've ever owned. The waist is just right maybe 1/4" largerbut leg ends are perfect hold the best yet around 22-23". The tagged ones I get at Walmart are near perfect a littl slack in leg ends, but fit perfect in waist & run only around $10.00. These just too pricey & I learned tagless FOTL not same as tagged FOTL. Went & measured Boxer briefs purchased at WalMart in July 2012 & Tagless FOTL Boxer Briefs-1 "  shorter crotch 1/4" larger waist & 1 1/4" smaller leg opening. Now I was looking for the smaller leg opening but 1 3/4" less crotch. Might as well be briefs. I will not get tagless anymore, may just pay $30.00 for Under Armour cotton 9" inseam. I don't like compression or core but the UA cotton Are by far the best wearinf boxer briefs.