I finally broke down and ordered these as they were on sale.  I was disappointed when they arrived, because most Frye boots are great quality leather.  These however were kinda stiff, and the color was somewhat uneven.  They were a little big overall, would have to wear thick socks, ended up sending them back.  Did however find the James penney loafer on sale and it fit better overall and the leather was more what I have in mind for a frye shoe.
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