Most athletic/training pants are too baggy and too long for average size men. These are different: they fit closer, and the length is perfect for a 5'9" 180 lb.(size medium) guy like me. But be advised that these are relatively lightweight, so they wouldn't be the best in sub-freezing temps. Also, the bottom cuffs, when fully closed, fit snug around the base of the ankle (leaving the zippers up about a couple of inches feels best for me).  Overall it's a great buy at this price.