These pants are not perfect , the hammer loop is useless (unless you do construct with a ball peen hammer). But they are TOUGH. the rise is taller than I like. ( they ride high in the waist and squish my belly a bit . ) I use to wear Wrangler's crgo pants because they fit well and I could get them at Target for $17 a pair. Problem was they would lose their stiffness and would get holes in the knees after a couple months.
  Thought I'd try these and wow. I've already snagged them several times on splintered wood etc. and no tears!! They have shrunk some from the washings so now I'll have use shorter dry times... But so far so strong.