I received these boots today and when I looked at them I thought they came from Walmart, they look like cheap boots from Walmart not 80 dollar boots. I am really disappointed. They are light and extremely stiff. I have a pair of 175 Oakley combat boots and now I see why they were so much. Actual leather , well made , comfortable and the laces are long enough, unlike these bates boots. If you're looking for quality these aren't it !  I did lots of research on bates and read all the reviews, and decided to buy these, what a waste, I will be giving these away and going to get either altama or Oakley boots, expensive but worth it .