And I'm still wearing them five years later. They're just starting to get a couple of frayed spots from wear, but for the money you cannot beat these camo pants. I just ordered a second pair that I'll work into my rotation. I'm female, 5'3" and weigh 120 lbs and I ordered a small. They fit perfectly. I don't use the ties at the ankles, so I just removed them and they look like normal hemmed pants. Great durable pants. Cool look. Great for kicking around in.