I chose the slip-ons because I could not get the 8000 lace up model and these shoes are otherwise in the ball park. I may have been slightly optimistic when buying to order in 4E extra wide, because the lack of laces means less tightness around the top of the foot. I Suggest you factor in elastic tops and unless you really need extra/extra wide shoes maybe drop back a width. These shoes are clearly the same quality as my preferred 8000 model but without the laces. I scored 4 stars because of the lesser hold of the foot with the elastic, otherwise very good for such a great run I have had with Dunham and New Balance over the years.