I ordered 9.5M thinking that all Propet shoes run wide. Not so, these turned out to be short and narrow. I should have ordered 10W. Since I had to return these anyway (I had to pay return shipping plus insurance - not happy about that.) so I just ordered a different model that were a bit dressier. The Propet Four Points model looked good in the picture but in real life, they look more like a sneaker and would only look good with blue jeans. I chose the Propet Village Walker in 10M (I knew these run wide) because I could wear them with blue jeans and khakis. As with all Propet shoes, the quality is excellent.