I got them in black, knowing that they'd be on the wide side for my 13" calves, and they're okay. Not fantastic, but not "Arrrr, matey", either, and I didn't expect fantastic with scrawny calves in lower-priced boots. They'll certainly never be mistaken for leather, they are a bit stiff, and I'm not sure whose calf is shaped like that even at average size but they are comfortable. Price plus okay fit made them more worth keeping than returning, so I kept them.