It's tough buying shoes without trying them on as everyone knows.  For me these were just a bit sloppy around the ankle, and I need a little support for my arches.  Also I've gotten away from trying to subject my toes to what is a not natural shape for a human foot, and they rebelled.  I should have known better.  They just didn't feel good to my feet.  In their defense, however, they are soft and would have looked good with jeans.