these were definitely not the socks i was hoping for.  they are very thin.  i didn't read the item description well enough where it said acrylic.  i was hoping for the old-school gym socks.  thickness aside, there was another problem...they were knee high---if i could have gotten them over my calves.  my calves are about 15" around (not huge, but not teeny tiny either) and they don't stretch out enough to go over my calf..  so i have to wear them bunched down-big bummer.  so, i guess its back to the drawing board to find what i am actually looking for.