These aren't like the last FOL Thermals I bought for my husband and he only wears these as a last result. These aren't soft at all (even with lots of Downey) and the fabric is too thin and scratchy against the skin. I would not buy these again but would buy the old ones he has if I could find that same quality.  Unfortunately, I just don't think they make things like they used to. I would be willing to pay a little more (if that's what it takes) to have better quality, consistant sizing and durability made in the USA. How about Fruit of the Loom?!?