I like the look of these, being a little dressier, but still comfortable with a good walking sole. I tried on other styles of Keen, and determined that size 8 fits me with a warmish sock. I ordered size 7.5 in these, so I could wear them with thinner socks, or no socks. They were too big, so I returned them. I also had the problem I expected I might, which is that I stepped out of them, not just because of the size.