I usually wear a 40 Euro size but since I wanted to be able to wear thick socks I ordered a 41. They were too short and narrow even with very thin socks. I returned them. The black was a good price but I didn't reorder because I thought they would still be too narrow even if I ordered the next size up. Shoe appear to be made well and that's why I did 4 stars. But beware of the sizing issue if you are ordering these. Return was quick and easy and free of shipping.