These are nice socks, but overpriced.  When I received them they looked like normal-length socks, but they do stretch over the calf.  The only problem with things that stretch is that they want to return to their normal shape.  So these socks do not stay up - they must be pulled back up often.  They are thick and soft and comfortable.  So thick that you cannot wear tightly fitting boots with them.  If they did not stretch lengthwise I would have rated them much higher, but due to that fact I cannot recommend them and I will look elsewhere for my perfect socks.