I got these for myself: Female; I have tried this brand in F, and they fit awful. My big toe was actually in the middle of the shoe. These run very large; I can wear a men's 7 in anything; these are way too big; at least one size. And look wide and flat on my feet! I didn't return them because I paid so little for them and the vendor has you pay return shipping for them. Planning on giving them away to the church.