This the first tagless FOTL boxer briefs I've ever owned. The waist is at least a 42 or mor but leg ends are perfect hold the best yet. But due to that pull underwear down if sitting, squatting, etc. The tagged ones I get at Walmart are near perfect a little slack in leg ends, but fit perfect in waist & run only around $10.00. These just too pricey & I learned tagless FOTL not same as tagless Hanes. Went & measured Boxer briefs purchased at WalMart in July 2012 & Tagless FOTL Boxer Briefs-1 "  shorter crotch 1/2" larger waist & 1/4" smaller leg opening. Now I was looking for the smaller leg opening but 1 3/4" less crotch. Might as well be briefs.