After reading all 17 reviews, I went ahead and ordered a size 8.5 Wide boots.  I loved the quality and style, but should have realized the calves would never fit into my bigger calves.  The zipper wouldn't go up except for two inches from the bottom.  They were a half size too long, but the width was perfect.  Wish they made them in 17 to 18 inches in diameter around the calves.  Oh well, will be returning them if they don't fit my sister or niece.