ordered 1st pair and too small.  Reordered again, believe maybe this is a different seller then the first, not sure.  Quality very poor.  Looks like might be seconds, though no mention made on website of that.  shoes just loose inside box, not wrapped, all scuffed up, seams around sole of shoe poor, coming apart and almost a gaping hole near the toe.  so disappointed as this pair fit.  They run very small and had to order up 1 size larger due to narrow toe box.  These are recommended by my podiatrist to prevent pronation.  great shoe as far as fit after added orthotic and comfort foot bed, but just bad quality.  Sending back.  Company I feel should reimburse me for shipping back to them as they sent defective shoes.  Actually I would be happy to exchange them for another pair in the same size and width if the quality is good. If not, well just refund my payment and I will look elsewhere.