First off let me say I'm of average body type. I have other Groovin' products and they are great. This style was disappointing. As you would expect by the images and description, these are very low. Expect to be walking the line of too low in the back or too low in the front. I love the pouch on these that the other styles don't offer. The 2 star rating came from leg fitment. I have chicken legs and these things were cutting off the circulation. The white trim around the leg does not stretch, so if it doesn't fit perfect, you are SOL. Maybe I got a bad pair but I didn't want to try again or go with a larger size since everything else fit perfect. I returned them. I highly recommend the Groovin' extra low rise boxer brief. There is no pouch, but everything is stretchy enough to fit your body.