I bought these for a hike on the AT. They are almost to nice to use for hiking and camping. I wore them out to dinner one night to test the fit and my wife thought the were nice looking pants. Maybe after a couple of years of use as casual dress pant and then use them for camping/hiking. I could use them still but they are so nice and I have another pair I got with the zipped legs that I will use. Oh well did I mention how nice these are and the construction is excellent. Dagger Dave