The pants are just too long thru the crotch, they are roomy enough in the waist so I want to drop down a size in the waist for a (hopeful) better fit.  Contacted seller, got a canned automated response, next day I get an authorization to return them with RESTOCKING FEES.  I'm not used to problems with Amazon purchases, I went looking for their claimed restocking fees, never found one but they (seller) says its there.  I asked how much, again, canned thank you for contacting and next day was told 10% restocking for returning.  I then requested EXCHANGE not a return, a while later email response was, no exchanges, returns only and 10% restocking fees.

I WANT to love these pants, I can wear them - pulled up to mid chest like my grandpa but that is not what I want.  I typically wear 36" waist and 34" length but some pants do tend to be a little odd fitting so I commonly will drop to 34"x34", until this purchase I have never had one concern ever with returns.  The 5.11 Covert Pants have come highly recommended for IT professionals because they look great, wear well and have extra pockets, so far the pants appear to hold up to their recommendations if I could wear them.