the only thing I liked about these shoes --  the look of this shoe.  The leather was was a shinny kind of material, if it was leather, it was not anykind I had in the past. Had a plastic look  The fit was too wide---and I had not ordered wide.  Looking at it online, it looks like one of the old penny loafers--wrong--mabye I expected something that it was not---and that is what I got,