Sorry - but I bought too big a size. These are wonderful shoes, instantly comfortable, attractive, everything I wanted. But if I wear them with socks or tights, they fall off my feet. I think I may have to return them and hope that I can get a smaller size. They are well worth the price.  I usually wear Keen sandals and find them wonderful. I wanted something slightly dressier to wear to a more formal activity.  These are the usual well-made Keen shoes that will last for a long time.  Hope I can get the size I need.