Son and husband wear same size Carhartt and know what they want in both color and size. Shopping in store and online AND finding size and color can be challenging. With different styles, one needs to know what they're looking for. Happily found both for a reasonable price without running from store to store. These are not the really heavy "hate to wash" variety but the weight that allows you to still bend your leg. And yes, ordered two pair. Strong points all around.