DRAT!  These are made for narrow feet. They are narrow everywhere; not just toe box...I am SO disappointed because they are absolutely gorgeous looking....since I had ordered another Puma brand in a 9; and they were too long; saw these and much prettier. But; the 8.5 is very narrow throughout the entire shoe. And I have very skinny feet and heels..AAA; so I really believe these to be narrow. Didn't want to try the 9 because I figured they would just be longer; and not any wider. So disappointed. If you have thin feet; and a thin toe box; these would probably be ok for you. Recommend for sheer LOOKS!