Gotta say, they don't make Levi's the way they used to.  I remember the denim was so thick and sturdy they lasted for years.  Now they wear like any other pants material.  The thing I don't like about these is the short waste.  You can't sit or bend over without exposing your rear, and I hate that. I'm constantly pulling and tugging on them and I have just given up on the fit. I gotta say all of the Levi cuts seam to be the same, with the low waste. They look like ladies jeans any more with the exposed midrif.  I'm not looking for something rediculously high wasted but I'm tired of feeling a draft!