I bought these jeans for my husband at Christmas.  I knew that they would be stiff when I got them, and they were new so that is OK.  But the first few times these have been washed, inside out or right-side out, they have faded and have horrible crease marks in the jeans, like the starch that was in them when they were new was just too much.  I am disappointed in these jeans. After 6 washings they have weird lines on them and I cannot get them to go away.  My advice, don't get the RIGID rinse..