a decade ago I served a church mission for 2 years in Brazil.  I had a pair of Savane pants that were my favorite.  They went through torrential rain, hundreds of miles walking, 110 degree sun and still were fine after 2 years.  I bought these pants because of the brand and I am can't believe these atrocities carry the Savane name.  Do this: Order a pair.  When they arrive get a quarter or some other object and rub it along the pants.  It will either tear, rip or permanently scuff the pants.  Or wear them for a few days and the same will happen from normal use.  I bought 2 pair and didn't wear them for a few months and they are both now out of warranty and useless.  I just threw them in the garbage.