These tights are really thick and warm for the cold. They're warmer then my jeggings. I have never found a pair like these before. If that's what you're looking for, look no further. They are more of a dark brown and that's what I wanted any way. However, the waist is really weird. It lays low &  I'm pulling them up all the time. BUT, I've never met a pair of hose or tights with a waist I'm not adjusting all day long.