The knee socks were shorter then expected.  I have fuller calves but that's not the issue, they barely reached my knees- and only because I forced them up (I'm 5'8").  They would have rode down with any steps I took.  The treads on the bottom are weird, like these are meant to be worn as slippers.  They may be good for junior sized legs and maybe no taller then 5'5".  These are being returned.