ordered these for their reputed quality and because they are described as "loose fit".

they do seem to be well made.
they look nice.
worn only a few times because they are not loose enough to be comfortable.

with 34 waist and upper leg measurement of 23 to 24 inches, i have trouble finding jeans that are loose enough in the legs.
these aren't it.  at least not for me.

if they were loose enough, i would rate them 5 stars.