I have a very old pair of Levi 505s, 12short, that still fit me wonderfully. I've patched them several times. When their even older brethren died, I bought two pairs of Levis here a couple years ago and they're okay, but not quite the same. They start out tight and the loosen up over the day. And one pair is tighter in the waist than the other. Not as wonderful as the old pair, but okay. So recently I bought another pair here. Now these are beyond the pale. Denim feels stretchy when I put them, and then they go baggy. After a couple hours I can pull them down without unsnapping them. They feel cheap, and the fancier stitching on the pockets make me feel like I'm wearing knockoffs of 80s fashion jeans. Old Levis were classic AND flattering. I don't know what these are.