I,ve been a Levis guy for years. The last pair I bought, 505's which have always fit fine, were way to big in the waist, just didn't feel right overall,(no pun intended). I then bought LL Bean Classic Fit Jeans which were better but still didn't fit quite right. I took a chance on Wranglers and 'bingo'. For my body, thin with not much butt, they were perfect. They are not too tight, trim is the word. The pre-washed that I got were soft after 1 wash and dry and didn't shrink noticeably. Material and workmanship were at least as good as any of the others, better I think, and the price was better than all. Great value, great fit, highly recommend.