i wear jeans 3 times or so before i wash them, unless they get dirty. if you wear them once and then put them in the wash, you shouldn't run into the issue that i am having. after a long single wear (10 hours or so) or after the 2nd wear, these jeans loosen up a lot - more so than the other brands of jeans that i own. the waist stretches at least an inch, probably more. the legs at the thigh get really get baggy too. if they didn't loosen up so much, i would give these 5 stars, easily. i have been washing them after a single wear, but since i am a single guy and only do laundry once a week, they might sit on a pile for 5 days until i do a wash. so i "solved" that problem by buying a 2nd pair. as long as they are right out of the wash, the fit is good. seems true to size. they get a bit longer after a couple wears and bunch up at the shoe.