Bought these shoes at suggestion of the VA...for arch support...order them as my normal size dictated...got the shoes in the mail and tried them on...too small....should have ordered 1/2 size bigger I guess..maybe a full size....the supplier was great about the return of the shoes and as they didn't have the larger size, gave me a prompt refund...Noted that they were made in asia .... thought they were made in USA...guess they were outsourced like lots of other things...