These have the material I was looking for however mine have no fly. Maybe I'm unaware of some new underwear trend but who doesn't want a fly on their underwear? Next thing you know, we will all be foregoing belts and wearing our pants halfway down our butt. Seriously, if you don't mind not having a fly, I would highly recommend these. The material is great because most others stretch throughout the day (get baggy) so they don't fit the same after a few hours. These stay the same all day, but no fly.