I thought I would try these jeans out,  but they were damaged (not typical of Amazon) and I returned them.  But in the short time I had them I tried them on and was surprised that they felt smaller and tighter than a same sized pair of Dockers.  As well they ride low on the hips, I didn't expect this and I thought buying a pair of "Loose Fit" jeans would be looser, but these were the tightest jeans (in the hips) I have ever tried. They look nice but I returned them and bought a pair of 505s.