I have used the Munsingwear for years because of the kangaroo pouch but the quality went down on Munsingwear when they started making them in Indonesia, availability declined, and the larger sizes are only a 2-pack at the same price as the 3 pack.

I saw these and decided to try them and they are great. Plus they don't penalyze me for being a big man because I get 3 pairs in the pack. I don't know why anyone wouldn't want the horizontal fly. It is so much easier to access.