I have been looking for a pair of pants that could double for both business meetings, as well as when i coach sports.  these are the pants, baby!  they are so light and comfortable.  and dockers always make good stuff.  the lenght runs long, so if you are short like me, go with the 29" inseam.  i will next time.  but the 30s are good enough.  they go great with black or maroon shoes.  i think you will like them.