I was curious about hav's my niece said she loved hers (so did jennifer a.) so I ordered a pair on sale...they just seemed like regular flip flops to me and were not at all supportive or as comfortable as my reefs and I didn't like the rubber toe thingy...sorry hav's...my flipflops will stay reefs...however they where very well made so if you just want a well made all rubber type sandal you might like these...personally I would try reefs first.