These have a normal seat or top part of the jeans unlike all the new levi's coming out that are skinny or slim cut. I really liked the fit of these. I have a pair of 511's that suffer from the "short" top part of the pants so it feel like your jeans are sitting really low on your waist. The only complaint I have is that I wish they had darker indigo color. The medium stone wash looks like they're a few year old 501 color'ed. I'm not sure what people are complaining about the denim texture/weight. It feels like every other pair of levis I have. Perhaps every pair of levis is bad now, but they feel fine to me.