The shoes were purchased for my dad who is 89 years old and has a hard time putting on his shoes.  I thought these would be a good shoe for Dad but he is having a hard time putting them on.  He likes the feel of the shoe and they fit him but putting them on with or without a shoehorn is a problem, even when I help him.  He says they fit ok but are difficult to get on.  Oh well.....they look good when he has them on but maybe they are not for the older man.  What was I thinking......Another daughter mistake from me. Already threw away the box, so we are going to bare with the hassle of the shoe.