After shopping in several stores and not finding the size I needed, I grabbed these in a size 36 / 38 from Amazon.  Shrank down to about a 34.5 / 36.  They're tough , fit great, and they don't look like they were bought in a teenage girl's clothing store.  No low slung waist and blingy girl back pockets.  Look like a guy.... wear these jeans. (Levi's please send payment if you wish to have that as a new slogan)