let me Clarify I love Allen Edmonds Shoes, and have been buying their shoes for as long as I can remember..I was excited to pick up this wingtip design as it is a timeless design. I paid the full listed price minus some minor promotion that was available at that time..However to my shock I recieved the pair packed loosely in a shoddy card board box & not in the original Allen Edmonds box, Moreover I recieved a used pair!! the upper of both shoes had prominent crease & if that was not enough, the Inner sole had sweaty imprints of someones feet. I am dissapointed at this service from my all time favourite seller AMAZON. sadly I had it delivered to me all the way to India & it will be an unnecessary hassle to ship it all the way back. another customer on this page complains of a similar incident.