I ordered these pants expecting only a modest level of quality at this price.  They did not even achieve that limited goal.  I could not wear them because I ordered the same waist size I have worn for twenty+ years (34"), and they arrived marked correctly, but when measured they were between 2 - 3" larger.  (This is a trend I have noticed: leave the size nominally the same, but cut it much larger.  I guess this is so the overweight among can say to themselves, "Hey, I am still a 34!")  I could see that they workmanship was mediocre, so I returned them rather than exchanged.