I had to return these shoes.  My daughter wears a 13 in most children's keds shoes, and this pair was much too wide. We ordered the 13 1/2 since she is growing, but they seemed much bigger than that, and much too wide.  They are cute and stylish, but don't seem to be properly sized, and aren't as thick of material as the other Ked's we usually buy (with the elastic laces where you don't have to tie them).