I usually  - no ALWAYS wear an 8.5 M or W....
So... after reading ALL these reviews, I thought -
right - just order my normal size (as most
people did). WOW -  My 8.5m/w feet were SWIMMING in the
8.5W!  They are going back.
But, I can feel this is a quality shoe, so
I'm ordering the 8M & 8W to see which is best.
----- UPDATE ------
The 8M were too narrow...the 8W won!
I'm keeping them and ordering another in brown.
Now the pain of returning everything, but
well worth it --- sturdy shoe, not too high -
quality materials...just strange sizing (for me).
But I'm happy with the 8C/D size.  Honest, I
never wear smaller than a 8.5!  So take from that
what you will...