These jeans are about the best ones available that almost fit at the waist.  They are actually a little below the waist.  It seems that women have somehow forgotten where their waists are.  The waist is that area on your torso that is the narrowest.  I detest the dropped waist jeans and slacks for women. They are not flattering.  The only exception is dropped-waist stretch pants over a skin tight long knit top. With that combo you can at least still see where the waist is. Almost all woment's pants and jeans now have the dropped-waist -which is not only unflattering but also in many cases will show "plumbers butt" if you squat.  Why, why, why??  -unless you are specifically trying to show off your tatoo in that particular area.  Eddie Bauer has some slacks that fit at about the same spot below the waist as these, and they are called "above the waist".  Amazing.  The waist is anatomically determined, not defined by the fashion world.  The dropped-waist jeans started with men's jeans long ago, and the women's dropped-waist jeans do, indeed, make women look more like men. For plump women, it makes them look ridiculous.  I'm slim with a nice figure and can wear most anything, and I'm not the only woman who would like to have more fit-at-the-waist jeans and slacks to choose from.  I'm always hearing people complain that the dropped waist styles are all they can find!