These are my third pair of Mary Janes: I have a Propet pair in white, and another Drew pair in brown. The white pair I ordered in 9 W and the brown pair in 8-1/2 Extra wide. This black pair is the perfect fit at 8-1/2 W. They are soft and pliable, look great. I like all my Mary Janes, but, like Goldilocks at the 3 bears house, this pair was juuuuust right!