Vanity Fair made an excellent lace panty I loved, style #13-153. They were overall nylon lace and cut was higher than a bikini, but not as high as the Helenca style. The front waistband was same material, about 1 1/2 inches wide and constructed in a slight V-shape. Very comfortable, did not show under clothing, and I felt pretty in them! So of course they stopped making them. The closest I've come to those panties are the Vanity Fair Illumination Helenca Lace Hi Cuts. I bought three pair and am very happy with them, they are comfortable, don't ride up or pinch, and wash well. But they have regular style leg openings that are not as comfortable as the similar "old" style. I definitely recommend these to others, but if anyone knows where to find the 13-153's, please tell us. (Probably helpful to know that I'm slender with an hourglass shape.)