I really wanted to like this shoe. It's not easy to find a plain black flat.  I agree with the others reviewers who found this shoe to be an odd fit.  I am a solid 9 but decided to order an 8.5 based on other reviews. The shoe was large overall.  Even though the length was ok, it was slightly loose in the heel and slipped when I walked, and too wide overall except next to my pinky toes where it rubbed.  The leather was extremely soft and buckled and bent when I put the shoes on giving them a worn out look.  My pinky and second toes were only about half covered.  Unfortunately this is not the shoe for me and I will be sending it back.