These are an older version of the Elance which are usually available at Macy's or any department store like that, but on Amazon, they're cheaper if you choose a set of patterns that are either of a past holiday or something they might consider spring but it's fall. Older version or not, they're still good and do the coverage job you need.  If you need underwear, it doesn't matter.  I love the 100% cotton.  They're soft, don't ride up, and always the go-to panties for me.  Enjoy.