The Veronica Slouch Extended Calf does fit my 17" calves, with a little room to spare, and they do get that appropriately slouchy look with or without wearing jeans under them. They are harness-style, with a rugged combat-boot looking sole, and the boot is more bulky and biker-ish than it's sister, the&nbsp;<a data-hook="product-link-linked" class="a-link-normal" href="/FRYE-Women-s-Melissa-Button-Boot-Extended-Calf/dp/B0062S8PAG/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_rvw_txt?ie=UTF8">FRYE Women's Melissa Button Boot: Extended Calf</a>&nbsp;These are very casual, which is a pro, but they also have some cons... The sole is very heavy, and makes my heel slip up and down, even with sizing down from my normal 9.5 (in Frye) to a 9. You can tighten the buckle at the base of the harness, but it makes the leather squeak when you walk, so the lesser of two evils would be slippage vs. squeakage. The top of the calf also adjusts with a buckle. These stop about mid-calf on me (5'8), so they do not go all the way up, and are slightly shorter than the Melissa, but also more roomy. The base of the boot (shoe area) is stiff, where the shaft is soft, supple, and floppy for optimum slouch effect. The Melissa has a more upright and stiff boot shaft. If you want something more dainty, go with the Melissa. If you can find a way around the slippage and don't mind the shorter shaft, go with Veronica, but don't expect them to go with all your cute knee-length dresses for work. They are less utilitarian, I wager, for motorcycle riders with the floppy protection they offer your legs, but the boot bed is very sturdy and sound. Burning Man worthy, if you don't mind the dust.