My husband refuses to give up his favorite dockers.  He's been wearing them for as long as I've known him.  Refuses to update to a flat front, as from what I've heard, is what's "in" now for men's pants.  Anyway, great quality pant, rich color, and doesn't fade. I'd recommend these pants to the men out there for business casual as they are not the heavy cotton like the casual, but not too dressy either...perfect for the office.