Great shoe just terrible sizing. I ordered a full size larger so I could wear thick hiking socks but now I'm going to have to down size my socks.  Once I did though they're pretty comfortable even after a seven mile break in hike soaking wet (I like breaking in my shoes that way). Other than the sizes being WAY off the shoes are great!  I'd like to give them a 5 but shoes have been around long enough to know the proper sizes so, 4's the best I could do.