dont know what else to say. absolutely perfect. well made, the most comfortable pants i own.  i don't know what everyone is complaining about with the sizes - the chart is pretty accurate.  the reason there is such a gap with waist sizes is because there is a (for lack of a better word) drawstring on each size to snung them up..  i normally buy 38" waist jeans, cause i wear them loose. im probably a 37" or 36" waist, but i want room for comfort and long underwear during the winter..  if you are the largest number on the waist, you may wanna think about going one size up for room - just a thought. i bought the x-large pants and they fit perfect.  snugged up the sides, and can be worn without a belt. open them up, and i can fit 2 layers underneath and still be comfortable. the length is perfect for me. usually i get 34 lenght, cause i like room.  these are probably about that. you gotta keep 2 thing in mind - first, these are meant to fit different sized people, and they do a very good job of that. second - these are not suit pants - so stop your whinning..  how you cant give these 5 stars is beyond me - stop your complaining people..  they are pants for christ sake..  i cant see how you could expect something better than these and im pretty picky. they are also a thin material.. and thats good in my eyes. lightweight, COMFORTABLE, easy to move around in..  perfect for the outdoors. don't expect them to be thermal pants - they are not meant to be.  they are EXACTLY what they are suppose to be. i will be buying more.