To reference; I'm currently sz16.  With these saying a mere 2% Spandex, I was hopeful these would be close to good old REAL denim.  Nope, they're stretchy & clingy and so got returned.  It seems women's jeans simply are not made with actual denim anymore.  You know, the thick stuff that all by itself held you in at the right places and hung lose in the right places.  I'm a "boyfriend" cut fan (even when I was sz 0) - but trends make it a rare option.  I thought my problem might be just a matter of the different "cuts" as the trends shift but after trying everything from straight to flare in a vast range of sizes, a trip to the men's department yesterday convinced me, it is the fabric.  I don't want jeans to CLING to my silhouette, emphasizing that my knees are skinnier than my hips.  I'd like some ~looseness~ from the widest part of body (thighs) to the hem (not slacks, but not clinging around every curve).  Ends up the real denim in men's jeans hangs just right... fit to the thigh, and tailor the rest (for length and no-gap waist).  Even better, the larger pockets on men's minimizes derriere.