I was disappointed and returned this jacket because it was very stiff. it was rigid like cardboard. In general Carhartt does make wonderful work clothes, but with this arctic jacket they need to soften it up some how. some people say that with time it will relax. I didn't want to own it for more than 30 days and not be able to return it.  Go with the quilted flannel lined jacket, it's still very warm and doesn't feel like you're wearing a box.