not the same as the older 608.  ordered the same size but the toe area was wider, the laces too long, no shock in the front only in the back so you felt like you were walking downhill all the time.  will have to find another nb for my feet at work.  i would have to be desperate to order these again.  they aren't all bad however.  it just takes a whole lot of time to get used to them but again, i will be looking for another pair of nb in the meantime.