These shoes are great. Fit excellent. Like all doc martens, you get a quality shoe. I really like the traction on wet pavement. Also the nice "bouncy" feel hard to describe. But people that have had doc's before know what I am talking about. This is not a light shoe so if the requirement is extremely light weight, then this is not the shoe for you. For the business casual office shoes, these work great just enough of a classic look to get away with wearing them in the office. I have a pair of steel toe DM loafers that I had to blacken the dang yellow stitching on to wear in the office so that they don't stick out, but these, as you can see, have black stitching. these The only negative...and this is me...these docs are made in Vietnam....all my previous pairs of Doc Martens were made in the UK. However, to be fair, I have not had a new pair of DMs in 5 years until this pair. Maybe DM saw the writing on the wall and had to be able to compete...