I wanted to love these shoes and their amazing traction, though found them to be hot and disappointingly, not waterproof.  Since they didn't live to see the wet rainy northwest, it doesn't matter.  After four months, all the support seemed to drop out of them.  I have a foot pain that shows up when shoes are really shot and these are definitely shot. When I put them on I feel my feet sink to the floor.  There's nothing left of the sole of my shoes, though the outside treads looks fine. They were so light and wonderfully supportive at first and the so sorry truth is that I hardly gave them a proper beating.  We had a lame summer, to say the least, and these shoes have gotten mostly light abuse.  In comparison, my husband has a pair of Oboz he would wear absolutely everywhere- he loves them more than any other shoe he's ever worn.  If he goes broke and has to live under a bridge by the river, he will find a way to have his Oboz.....My model was a great disappointment.  Back to my clunky Keens.