I ordered my normal size and width, which is a 8.5 4E. When I received the shoes in the mail, I was excited to begin wearing them right away. I tried them on and immediately knew that they would not work for me. According to the size info inside the tongue, they were the correct size, but when I tried them on, the toe box was much too narrow and the shoe was very uncomfortable. Long story short, if you order this shoe, order a larger size than you normally wear or get another style/brand.