It's difficult to find 8-4E let alone good looking and comfortable and priced nice - well, nearly impossible. Found theses, sent for them - gave them to my husband before Christmas - They fit perfectly!  He bounced around in them!  He wore them all evening that first day!  He wore them to work!  He's pretty much not taken them off since he tried them on.  He is so happy to have comfortable shoes, shoes that fit, and shoes that look acceptable for work.  This is an A-1 purchase ...... oh, ordering a couple more pair today cause the price is tolerable (usually 4E cost a whole lot more); 4E width feet never have enough shoes (cause they only have 1 or 2 pair).