I know, it sounds nuts, but I tried them on at a shoe store and loved them. They were the only ones that felt like they needed no break in. When I got home I decided to buy a second pair for work use and discovered Timberland quit making them. Instead of buying one extra pair, I bought 2. I'm giving it 4 out of five because the shoe doesn't handle slippery suffice very well. Otherwise, great shoe.