I'm over 30, so I don't want to look like an old man and I don't want to look like a teenager or a clubber.  I can wear these jeans to my casual office, and I can wear them out.  These are the only jeans I've been buying for a few years and love them.  Unfortunately there recently was a bad batch sent out to all the local retailers in Denver, so I had to come to Amazon to order a pair. The ones I purchased here are exactly like the ones I've worn the last few years, so I'll probably order another pair.