These pains are fin in every way EXCEPT ONE there si no CROTCH ROOM ZERO im not Dirk Digler and OMG they are tight and if you have to bend over they will show you butt while also crushing your manhood they are good pants other then that and teh button stiching is subpar and should be fixed when you first get them and have them hemmed etc. To bad tehy cant add a little more room so i didn't feel liek i was giving everyone a free show.