I was really disappointed with these Timberland's.  Bought generally on name / past experience.  When I tightened them up -- eyelets dug into my foot making for an uncomfortable feel.  Tried locally, a smaller size -- same thing.  I'm shocked that what they (general) and pushing off as 'winter boots' lately -- all cloth.  That's crazy for the snow.  I appreciate trying to get lightweight, but cloth is useless.  I liked these because the leather uppers and good looks.  Just a bad design.  Returned them and still looking.  Fogdog shipped quickly & promptly.