i was expecting the old levi's quality that you find in most stores but, these aren't it.  i bought them for my twin five year old boys and they are very cardboardish(?).  i'm keeping them because they're not terrible and i hope that they will last through the summertime.  i'm 52 years old and probably have worn levis practically every day of those 52 years.  i've noticed a steady, slow decline in levi jeans.  too bad!!