I am a believer! These Propper Tact Pants are ridiculous. The fabric is rugged but not heavy. The pockets are well placed and tons of them. The free belt is worth half the price alone. These are my new Les Stroud, survivor man pants(eat your heart out bear grylls). Great balance of quality and comfort. The double layered knees will protect you from rough brush. My next pair will be khaki.