I like these pants...use them for all my winter work around the house and for riding my dual sport motorcycle...one goofy thing...the double knee pad area...the description sounds like you can slip a knee pad into them but you can't...there is only about a two inch opening at the bottom of the doubled up part...what they call a cleanout...no way to get a knee pad in there...no biggy but it seems odd all the literature, oven the tag on the jeans themselves, talk about this kneepad area like you can use it for that...