I had a pair of the Timberland Lake Toya oxfords that were probably the best casual shoes I've ever owned. I needed to replace them, and these looked good. However, these shoes fit all wrong; the top of the toe box was too tight (I've never had that happen before) and each shoe felt like it had slightly different dimensions. I had to pay to ship it back to Amazon, which makes me wish I had ordered from Zappo's. Maybe my pair was irregular, but I still recommend you try these on in person or order from somewhere with free returns.