I ordered these because I wanted some inexpensive work pants with a little updated silhouette since i can't wear jeans at work.  The black does show a lot of dust and dirt if you are going to be outdoors so something to keep in mind, but the fit is very good. the quality seems a bit flimsy for something that I expect to be being pretty active in, but hopefully they will hold up. For now, four stars. If they were a bit thicker and perhaps riveted and button fly, then it would be five.