These were a gift. Now shoes are hard to give as a gift, but I knew who the person was and I knew her size and I knew she was just too cheep to get herself another pair although she complains she needs a new pair all the time. So I went behind her back and ordered them for her and she LOVES them. They are the only shoe she can wear as she is a nurse and she does a TON of walking. So if you are a big walker or have a job that requires a lot of walking and you need support, check these out!