Im VERY VERY DISAPPOINTED with these.they weren't even welded rt.the fastener was on sideways and packaged like that.if u send out a product like that to a customer,that's EXTREMELY BAD SERVICE.its sad u would take some hard working persons money to send crap to them knowing they can't just come bk to the store n return them. I think they were a pretty nice color of metal and I guess I know better for next time. IM SO DISGUSTED with it and I sent an email to the seller with no response.makes me wanna stop shopping here.