I have to admit I actually ordered these pants by mistake. I meant to order the Dickies double knee pants. I had owned several pairs of the double knee pants and they were great. So I wanted more. That being said I'm glad I got these. I didn't really need the double knee and these are more functional. What I mean by that is they can be used as dress pants in a hard work environment, which is what I need. The double knee pants look like work pants. These almost look like dress slacks. As other reviewer have noted they are stiff but they soften up after several washings. And if they are as durable as the double knee they will last a long time. One piece of advice I have to ensure they last longer is iron out the crease they have when new. That is where all my other ones started to wear first. But not for at least a year of using them working in landscape. I highly recommend these pants if you are looking for something that is durable and doesn't look like work pants.