I bought these in brown, and they fit perfectly, were very comfortable from day one, and perfect to wear with casual slacks.  When I saw them on sale in black, I immediately ordered them in the same size as my comfy brown pair.  For whatever reason, the black pair are much stiffer, and needed serious breaking in before they were all day tolerable.  Still high quality, but if I had bought the black pair first, I would not have bought a second pair...too much work and pain breaking them in. I gave four stars based on my outstanding experience with the brown, and the quality...