It's always a bit of a crap-shoot buying mail-order/online slacks.  I bought these primarily for cool weather golf, but I like them so much I am getting more for social wear as well (not that golf isn't social :o).  The expansion band is perfect for those of us who drop some weight (when the wife is cajoling) but then seem to let it creep back on.  Too soon to give 5 stars depending on ease of maintenance and wear, but definitely a 4 star on fit.