Other than buying the wrong size these are great shoes. Comfortable material, well made, thicker sole for the begginer climber and has a decent curve at the toe to get you started. They make what I consider to be "more advanced climbing" shoes as well as these. We went to try on others so I can reorder the right size and even the climbing instructor wears the evovle brand. In stores like REI these are $125 so it's a great deal!