Finally got the size that fit me.  I am usually a 8 1/2M or 9M.  First I bought both. The 9M was too tight in the toes and kept walking out of it as too big in the heel, and the 8 1/2 was too small all over.  Then I got a 9W, way too big.  These first three shoes were bought from Amazon's marketplace store Sport Town which was great store and had free returns.

The 8 1/2 W I got from Outdoor Equipped as they only had the 8 1/2 wide there. Other reviews said they have a very bad return policy.  But I got lucky and 8 1/2 wide fit perfectly.  Glad I don't have to return them.  I must say though Outdoor Equipped had very prompt delivery as received my shoes in 2 days.

Bottom line is shoe is tight in toes unless you have very narrow feet and big in back so you might need to find your true size in these.
Took a little time to break them in.  Not the most comfortable shoes I have, but nothing hurts so not too bad either.  Very cute and style looks really nice with skirt or dress.