These are NOT made like they were even just 10 years ago. The stitching on the seams is fair to poor. I had to return a pair because after just a couple uses the stitching began to unravel. I had 5-6 pair that were 5-6 years old and didn't have this problem with ANY. The only reason I was looking for news ones is because the elastic waistband started to loosen, probably from so much use. Now THAT is to be expected.