These are initially amazing pants. I lived he pair I had so much that I ordered a second pair.  By the time my second pair came in, the first pair started falling apart. Some stitches came out and the waist band rolls up and won't flatten out. the internal elastic isn't sexured well to the pants so the elastic just rolls up and gets all twisted inside the waist  band and you cant reach it  to straighten it. Its so uncomfortable and awkward looking. This is only after about 4 washes.