This is my second time purchasing these shoes for my brother. The first pair didn't last long because I thought my brother was a little rough with them. After wearing them one time in the rain/snow they looked terrible. This time the shoes looked bad right out of the box. They had this white cast on them as if they were already worn in the snow. My brother works in the shoe department in a store and he says this happens when shoes are stored in a box for a long period of time. He wanted to keep the even though I wanted to send them back. I wish the seller would make it known that there are imperfections in their products, which would explain the discount. The shoes start off tight and need to be broken in. Order at your own risk.