The 514 pants deserve 5 stars. I actually ordered two pairs of 514 fit style in this order ...same color. However, I received one pair of 514's and one pair of 505 fit - which I did not order.  Not sure how they got that wrong.

Anyhooo...I waited too long to exchange the 505 pair (my fault) and now have a pair of 505's that I did not order and I'll never wear. Guess I'll try to sell them on Craigslist to recoup some of the expense.

The 514's are great quality. The 505's also look quality, the fit is just not my style.