the quality of the leather is beautiful and a size c/d fits well on a flat foot with little arch..but these are not true penny loafers,the strap that holds a penny is not sewed down to hold a penny ! the penny loafer is a true iconic American classic,which is a detail that a reputable company such as cole haan should have paid attention to.the listing is deceiving and should be listed as a faux penny loafer,or as a plain loafer.at 170.00 this is unacceptable