Turns out these shoes are "relaxed fit". I got the white/gray in a 7.5 since I usually wear an 8 for the width in the toe but I wanted to make sure they wouldn't fall off. They seem to be the right length and width but are very loose in the heel and flop around. I expect them to stretch a bit and get even looser so I will probably send them back. I doubt going down a size would work as they would then be too short. Not sure why they would make a flat that is likely to fall off most feet.