Bought these for work pants, but also to hopefully replace the need for jeans. I stated with a 28 x 30 which is my normal size with other pants. The waist was much to tight to the point of pain. So i returned the pants and tried a 29 x 30 pair. This pair now is to loose around the waist by about 2 inches and the legs are to long by about 1-2 inches. Also it causes a large gap in the back of the waistline. I am having to many problems to give any further information. I must give up on this, and move on to something else.

Also note: these pants are very very stiff at first. I'm not sure how much they will loosen up after a few washes since I never got to that point.