I like them despite the fact I still have a bit of gapitosis in the small of my back; we'll just chalk that up to the even larger-than-usual difference in measurements (13") between my waist and hips. Washed them on warm (they recommend cold), dried them in the drier on low, and they softened up, didn't loose anything in length (Hallelujah), and were comfortable from the get-go. After washing I did not iron them - not picky about that - they are casual pants. I recommend taking them out of the drier pronto, though. I'm a decidedly pear-ish 5'8" 175lbs and the 14-Long was perfect.