I was so disappointed in these pants and wished I could have returned them, but I think too much time has probably gone by. I love the Levi brand and have had their products through the years in various incarnations, but these pants.... I liked a lot at first and wore them at least once a week. After a while they developed these odd lumpy material thingees on either side of the upper leg and also the knees. It's like the bit of stretch they put in them was not quality (because I have jeans and other pants with a bit of stretch in them and none have ever done this). Would not purchase again.