I quit buying Levis some years back. I ordered these because they were 30% off and I had some rewards points (basically free jeans). When these arrived I remembered why I quit buying Levis. 1. They don't fit like they used to, the quality of the denim has gone way down, for what these cost you can buy two pair of a better made jean elsewhere. I have worn the same size jeans for 25 yrs, it's not me. Levis have cut corners and changed styles so many times I don't believe they have a clue how to make a good product anymore. I just want a quality product at a fair price, too bad for an American icon.