First things first they are dark, just not old school LOCS dark. They are the same cheap plastic frames that I remember from the past and the same fit. If you are looking for some cool dark old school sunglasses these will do the trick. If you are looking for super dark almost blind in the day time sunglasses these aren't going to make happy. I am happy with them and gave them 4 stars instead of 5 because the description said Super Dark and they fall a little short.