These bike shorts are awesome! Really well made, nice flat non-roll waist, stitched back seams for a slightly more contoured back fit (and flattering too). Fabric is soft and thick, but not over thick. Another reviewer said something about a liner fabric, mine don't have any liner just single layer nice cotton. Fit is nice, Im 54 and they are slightly higher than mid-thigh. Long enough to show under long t- shirts, short enough to wear under sundresses. Absolutely love the no roll waist. Thanks Danskin. Im going to order a second pair because summer is on the way.