I took a chance and ordered Wsize8 even though I am 8.5 in everything else. I have old pair of Docs size 9 and am always swimming in them. These fit like all Docs do on first wearing...not super comfortable but bearable. The leather is soft and I believe they will stretch into the absolutely perfect fit. If not can get them stretched. One side a little tight on top but again it will stretch out or I can get it spot stretched. The leather is luxurious! The color is gorgeous. The product is exactly as depicted in the photograph. This may end up being one of my favorite Docs ever. My first pair of Pascals and I am in love!