I love these shoes but the toes are too short.  If I go larger, the arch is too long.  I wish shoemakers would give more toe area because when I walk a lot my toes become really irritated and my feet swell.  You would think they would know this by now.  Skechers fit the same way.  Feel great at 8.5 but never enough toe room:  and I have relatively short toes.  I will take them to a shoemaker.  I tried stretching with stretchers but they didn't stretch the toes.