What a shock to open this package and find that the My Michelle Womens Career Pant in my size, medium (8-10), is actually the tiniest medium I have ever seen. I would certainly need an XL in these itty bitty, smaller-than junior sized pants. The Black is a great jet black and the weight perfect for work wear, not thick but definitely substantial. The fabric has a limited amount of stretch. I am not at all a fan of the layered waistband, which adds bulk to the pants. The pockets are ornamental only and totally non functional. There is a mesh stomach control band which is too small to do anything, and is really totally unnecessary given the weight and tight stretch of the pants fabric. The hips are quite narrow in proportion to the waist; these pants are not for curvy women, but best for those with narrow hips, very small thighs, and a straight shape. My estimation of the true size of these pants is that they are an XS. I took off two stars for the preposterous sizing. Most women looking for career pants will not want pants that are sized smaller than their casual leggings.