I used to wear the D4 no iron dockers with the 2% spandex or whatever blend that put a little stretch into the pants. Of course they discontinued those and I searched high and low for a replacement.  These are the only thing close. Has the waistband that allows a little stretch but isn't rediculous/clownish feeling. Stays tight. The material still has that tiny bit of stretch and feels durable, like the pants will last longer than the different Dockers styles I tried. The only thing I wish I could change is the color. I really like that Timberwolf khaki color and, while these are close, they're still a touch light. In essence: Im done with dockers entirely and moving to these haggars. Ill update later if these give me any problems after multiple washes.