Sadly, I was very disappointed in these socks.  I was specifically buying them because people had indicated that they stayed up and did not travel down into your shoe when you were walking, but that is exactly what they did the first time I wore a pair. They did not just go down around my ankle they actually went totally into my shoe and piled up. I don't know if my shoes are just more prone to that or not,  but they were a failure for me and I returned them. The company did very quickly reimburse me and I appreciated that.