These are just a cute shoe which is why I ordered them and I am happy with that part. Otherwise they are thin soled, no support and no arch, but I only wear these for short engagements. I wear a 7 women's so ordered 6.5 based on reviews, it was sloppy heel to toe, returned them and ordered a 6, they are about right without socks, would not be with socks. Also I have wide feet and these don't have as much wiggle room for my toes as I would like. Am happy with the cute that I bought.