These need some toughening up. Right out of the box/bag I loved them and thought I had replaced all my capilene forever. Unfortunately it was not too be. they breathed great and were soft and wicked fantastic and smelled better after comparable time. Where it was my rip stop pants, my course curly body hair, or perhaps my large package, after the 2nd use they didn't hold up. They were washed in a protective mesh bag on gentle warm and line dried. They looked like new. But after a particularly tough hike with a fair amount of rock scrambling these have a couple holes near the elastic and lots of pilling on the legs and the seat. Very unfortunate. I can only guess this is more of a light duty casual boxer, which is nice, but really not where will wool shines being odor resistant and moisture wicking.