I was rather disappointed when they arrived to see how thin theses docked are. Thinner than any of my other dress socks which wasn't what I was wanting. I decided to keep and now regret it. The seam at the end was stretching out after the first wear. I just took off my shoes after the 3rd use and my big toes on both feet are coming through the socks. Unacceptable!  They also stretched out and sagged to my ankles by the end of the day. These socks by no means compare to any of the  other Dr Scholls socks I own, most of which are years old. Save your money!