Lifelong skater here so for those of you that skate you know shoe quality died for skate shoes about 10 years ago. These shoes are decent I got them discounted at 35 bucks. A few things I wanted to point out. These shoes are a little small making a snug fit I don't mind it cuz I know it'll be better for connecting with the board and control. A few areas of the shoe are thinner than desired it has a thick top box ceiling with a thinner side wall I wish the whole front had thicker material of the wear and tear. Every thing else about the shoe is nice looks clean and they're comfortable enough. Lastly I was pretty dissatisfied with the fact the I only received the standard laces I've never purchased skating shoes that didn't have a pair of back up laces included. These shoes were on sale because of their age not because they were used , defected,  or missing components.  So where did my laces go? Probably for sale on here I bet. Could be better . My ratings 2.5 out of 5 for missing components and lower quality of the shoes compared to previous years.