Snug fit in both boots for ordering my normal boot size of 7.5....should have ordered 8. I suspect that these are 2nds based on the discounted price and the quality. The leather on one shoe has a fleshy wrinkled section across the vamp and had I been in a store, I would not have bought this pair. I wore them outside before I realized the defect. I still think that I over paid even with the sale price- great shape and design but quality is not up to par with the price for Frye boots these days.