I wore these out of the package and it was great! best underwear to date.  Unfortunately after one wash, I noticed the waistband begin to become separated from the underwear.  With the extra holes, it really became too breathable. It is  ashame the cross-stitching doesnt hold.  I like the underwear so Im going to have to sew it to keep it.  BTW,  on a different note, theres a picture of a guy wearing the underwear to show you how it fits.  To this other customer I say: Come on man! We really don't need to see that!