This is like my 5th pack. I love the fit and feel of these. The only issue I have is they don't last as long as I would like. They have 2 main failures: most of the ones I have tossed out where the seam under my package gets split. I am guessing the model that these were originally made on had a tiny package (and I am just average in that department. the second issue is the waistband folds over and stays that way. once It folds over it does not feel right all day and I need up tossing it out.