I don't understand Keens.  I love the price and look of these boots.  However, I ordered my usual size of 10.5 and my toes hit the rubber toe guard.  So I ordered a size 11 and had the same issue!!!  I think Keens slightly upturns the end of their shoes and boots.  It seems like this can cause them to feel shorter and tighter fitting.  Unfortunately, I will not be able to wear either pair because my feet feel like hamburger at the end of a hike.  Bummer.