I picked ordered these off a recommendation and my desire to try more lace. Mens options are lacking in this fabric and these were really cheap. I am normally a mens medium and typically a womens large works well. However, it was recommended that I go with the womens medium because these stretch a lot. They do stretch, but I wish I would've gone with the large. The large would have probably provided more room up front. I do like thes, but men, be warned that if you go too small like I did, the pressure and lace up front provide certain sensations when clothing rubs against everything (lots of tiny holes). I gave it 4 stars because they do feel rather flimsy and the tag inside on the right hip is huge and annoying. This is a great inexpensive laxe option!