Shirts look nice fit well but have one major flaw. Bought these in September 17 . One is in the rag bag since January, today another came out of the washer with the same rust mark on the point of the collar. The stays cannot be removed prior to washing and if left in they make the collars rusty. I will never buy Van Heuson again, I certainly don't recommend them to anyone else. These shirts are hardly worn and 2 are ruined , I expect the other three will be next. NEVER again!!!! Update:  another shirt is now ruined , thats 3 of the five!