For the price these are a reasonable value, but a touch disappointing. Like almost all of these types of garments now, the legs are way too long. You really can't call these shorts except insofar as the hem doesn't overtly come below the knee. The material is extremely lightweight and flimsy. Fine, if that's what you want. Almost impossible to find heavier weight fabric in this type of "short" now. They are a bit bigger than the F/O/L standard size chart. I ordered XL as I usually do for F/O/L products like this; should have ordered a L.