Wow. Ive never been more dissapointed in a piece of clothing. First, the waist runs a touch small fresh out of the bag. Probably .5-1 under advertised size. Next the material is almost stiff enough they could stand up on their own. Lastly, with how they sit on your waste, there ia FAR too little crotch room.

God forbid you wash these and put them in a dryer. My 38 waist paints which were already borderline, are less than a 34 measured waist after one standard 45 minute dry cycle. FOUR INCHES of waist shrinkage in one dry cycle. The most unbelievable thing I've ever seen. Not to mentioned they're still WAY too stiff after washing with fabric softener. Would never recommend these