I had no idea there was a weird inner panty liner in these when I ordered. So when I got them I was confused. Pulling them all the way up the crotch of the liner and the crotch of the shorts were in different places. It was a really thin liner so I just cut it out easily and wear these way up high on my waist under a swim dress and love them. They are perfect to be a little more modest or just if your self conscious about your legs. They go to just above my knee.