So I started the return for these at first because the canvas was SO stiff. But I tried them on at home a few times and they grew on me. I am a 7.5/8 and I ordered an 8 because I need space for my toes. It is good so far. I have plantar fasciitis and recovering from a bad ankle. So I needed something super low that wouldn't hit my ankle bone. These are stiff and will need to be broken in which is why I took away a star. But I think they will be a great casual shoe.