Dockers have always been the benchmark for this type of pant.  Amazon didn't always have them, so I've put up with lesser brands on-line because real Dockers were not available.  Now they are.  I am very pleased with these and will be buying another couple of pair after I get to goal weight.  I've lost 45 lbs in recent months and am still working on the final 40...(the total will end up being 125)...so on a journey like that you go through a lot of size changes; I am now to the place that I don't want to invest in further wardrobe until I touchdown on that goal...but I'm not on a diet...I've made a major lifestyle shift and expect the weight to stay off for the rest of my life.  It's the new normal on health....