Weird sizing and weird cut shoe. I tried both 8 and 8.5 based on the reviews I usually wear 8.5 in most other brand brands. I do have the long second toe so the cut of the toe box hit that toe a tad in the 8.5 and a lot in the 8. However, with an average width foot, they were a bit wide and the heel was way too wide. Even if I didn't have the long second toe issue, these would be too wide and very wide in the heel. Weird cut shoe.