I HAD TO SEND THEM BACK, WAY TO MUCH A  LOW RISE, WHICH WASN,T IN THE DESCRIPTION AND I WENT TO BEND OVER YOU WOULD SEE MY PLUMBERS BUTT CRACK SHOWING. NOT FOR ME. BUT I LOVE THE DESIGN OF THEM WISH THEY HAD THEM IN A SIT AT THE WAIST STYLE THEN I WOULD BUY MORE