My retired husband got a keep-him-busy job moving cars for a major car rental company. HR said the uniform was khakis and he thought 'casual dress code' khakis. Well, casual dress code khakis do not hold up to climbing in and out of cars all day and were rapidly reduced to worn, torn and basically mangy scraps. I asked what others were wearing and getting the blank look suggested 'like,,,Dickey's?'  And he said 'Yeah, like that.' So with that as my template we ended up trying these. My husband likes them, they are similar to the tactical pants he wore in law enforcement so he is used to stowing gear in the various pockets and the style appeals to him. Obviously, they are far sturdier than the dressier version. He says that they are comfortable and are holding up well. They have a coarser texture and are not permanent press. I wash in cold water in a front load washer. This makes for very little water left in the fabric so just tugging on the legs at the seams and tumbling in a cool dryer has kept them from shrinking for 6 months. Dry with sufficient volume to keep the pants from flattening against the outer rim of the dryer and then hang from the cuffs while still slightly damp to avoid wrinkling. All in all a very successful buy.