I ordered size 9 black, I'm 8 1/2. I read the reviews and they were right -run small, instead of size down I went for size up, because Im pretty sure they don't offer half sizes in this particular item. I'm glad for those reviews. I wore them with regular socks -no thin no thick just normal ordinary type of socks. Fit just fine, comfortable, warm, good looking.  Excellent. Highly recommended!