Been wearing nothing but Wrangler 45 years. These are by far the thinnest jeans I ever owned. For some reason Wrangler thinks you gain weight so you now have to pull your pants up to your nipples. I wore a 30x30 until I got old and fat. Id expect a 36x30 to ride at my waist just like a 30x30 but now a 36x30 is 3 inches to long AND the crotch seems to have 6 more inches to the waist. I ordered a 36x29 thinking that would help but though the inseam is good  nipples man, up to my nipples. Who the heck pulls their pants up that high and why does a bigger waist require pants that are 8 inches longer? Stupidest crap Ive ever seen. I think I have to wash them in hot and then roll down the waist to my waist. Either that or let it ride at my waist and let the crotch sag to my knees. Not Amazons fault, Wranglers fault and they just lost a customer of 45 years.