Had to return these jeans. They did not have as much stretch to them as the 765 ones I bought and thus were way too tight. I bought a size 11 which is what I would normally wear. Usually wear a size 9 on jeans with alot of stretch actually so these do run small. Also the tear in the knees hit me above the knee actually on my thighs making them look really stupid on me. I didn't like the cut of these jeans at all. I much prefer the 765 for my build.