Have a very hard time finding an  8.5 men's shoe that isn't too small, but these fit perfectly.  I've been looking for a few years to find a shoe that fits well, and these fit perfectly.  Every 8.5 men's shoe that I've bought during this period was too small - fit like a size men's 8.
They are very comfortable walking on the sidewalk or around the house.  These aren't hiking shoes, just so you know , but a very good street shoe that probably can handle most anything.  Hopefully they stick around for the next time I need a good shoe.

Update - used these in the gym on the treadmill and they felt great, very stable.