I ordered these because my last pair of Dockers lasted 3 years.  This pair lasted about 3 days and the stitching came loose on the right upper.  To be honest, the quality of the shoes did not match the old pair I have worn for years. The product specifications claim they are leather uppers. They don't look or feel like leather, but plastic.  This is my opinion.  Very disappointed.  I had to pay $33 to return them from overseas because anything would have been untraced.  Amazon claims it will reimburse $20.  That's insufficient.