I ended up having to return these. Part of it was my fault. It says "dry clean only" right on the Amazon page, and I completely disregarded that.. Does that mean you can't wash them in a washing machine? I don't know. The main reason I had to return these was because the legs were far too slim. It doesn't say anywhere on Amazon that these are slim fitting pants, but they must be. You really do have to have stick legs otherwise these will look a bit odd on a guy. They taper down a bit, it's probably not the look you're going for if you're wearing black slacks. And the material is incredibly lightweight. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but my guess was that if I bent down one too many times, these would rip easily. Especially given how slim fitting they are.