These are great, very sheer and almost forget I am wearing them. For some maybe to sheer, very light mesh that doesn't bunch at all.  They go on sale a lot so watch for that.  They are the best underwear I have ever worn.  I have bought all kinds; jockey, ck, 2xst, under armour, adidas, Ralph Lauren, Paul Smith, Nautica, and I am sure a few others. These are the best boxer briefs in my opinion.  I have wanted to try Mack Weldon but they are more than I am willing to pay for 1 pair of underwear. If I can find them on sale then I will get them and see how these stack up to "top of the line" undies. Until then I will continue to trust my junk to these. Note, these are my third pair and look to replace all of my other ones for these as price dictates.  The cheapest I have seen them was 13 and at that price they are a steal. 15 is worth it to me, over that I have a hard time, principally, buying more. Find the price you like, get them!