These are definitely "shorties". They also run a size or two small. I ordered a 7 (ended up with a different pair of Kamik boots in a 7 that fit perfectly with thick socks), and they were too small. They were also shorter on the leg than I expected so ended up going with a different style rather than a larger size. They seem like a well-made boot, but I can't really speak to that since I returned them.