These socks are fantastic and I don't say that lightly. They are thick material in all the right places and ventilated in all the right places. They work so well with my converse shoes which is what I got them for. I will be buying more. Initially when I seen the packaging I thought they would be way to big as they were stretched over a cardboard foot however I washed them and they are just right for my size womens size 9 foot.