These gloves seem very nice, however....the thumbs are obviously too long. I ordered a size 9 (the measurement of my hand) and some of the other fingers feel a bit long as well. The thumb is an obvious length mistake, unless I just have a short thumb, but I don't believe I'm the first person to complain about this. The fit of the glove ( handwise) is good, an 8.5 might be too small. They seem to be good quality, aside from the thumb. Just be aware. Thumbs are what people text with, so it rather destroys the touchscreen capability, at least for texting.