ES: Well, when you look at the results of these programs in stopping terrorism, you will see that that's unfounded, and you don't have to take my word for it, because we've had the first open court, the first federal court that's reviewed this, outside the secrecy arrangement, called these programs Orwellian and likely unconstitutional.
ES: Bueno, al analizar los resultados de estos programas contra el terrorismo, verán que no tienen fundamento y no hace falta que crean mi palabra, porque tuvimos la primera audiencia pública, el primer tribunal federal que lo analizó, fuera del arreglo secreto, y tildó a los programas de orwellianos y posiblemente inconstitucionales.