And so it's about them that we should be telling everybody, that it's not about their own national interest, because climate change, regrettably, unfortunately, is viewed by many countries as a national problem. It's not. And this is the argument we got into recently with our partners, the Australians and New Zealanders, because they said, "We can't cut any more." This is what one of the leaders, the Australian leader, said, that we've done our part, we are cutting back.
Y es por ellos que deberíamos estar diciéndole a todo el mundo, que no se trata de su propio interés nacional, porque el cambio climático, por desgracia, lamentablemente, muchos países lo ven como un problema nacional. No lo es. Esta es la discusión que tuvimos recientemente con nuestros socios, los australianos y neozelandeses, porque habían dicho: "No podemos recortar más".