I was in these venues, and people were, you know, really into getting them. They were excited. It was breaking the ice, it was getting over a stigma, and I think that's also what design can do.
Estuve en estos lugares, y la gente estaba, ustedes saben, involucrada. Estaban entusiasmados. Era romper el hielo, era superar un estigma, y pienso que eso es algo que el diseño puede hacer.