+1 on this. I use only 124gr +P Speer or Black Hills gold dots.        extreme shock are the biggest pieces of overpriced crap on the market. They are a joke, a farce, and a scam. HP's such as winchester ranger (the new renamed version of the dreaded black talons), hydra shok and gold dots are far superior. It's a proven fact. You can get double, if not triple the amount of regular HP for the price of one box of extreme shock ammo. That is mall ninja crap. Don't use it for self defense and protection. You will be better served to get standard HP or even FMJ ammo.