  How would Han Dynasty China have become so rich in selling a mass of silk wares through Parthian middle-men, if the elite ancient Romans were not around on the other side to buy so much of this Chinese silk with their gold and silver?   -That reminds me of America today for some strange reason ..I wonder how long until this modern Rome collapses, like the old one before ..  -Do people ever learn from history?   -I am not saying that it was entirely Chinas fault, I am saying it was a part of the problem, you know spending all your money on that Chinese crap Like is America today, we should be supporting are own, not China.       I don't hate Muslims, in fact I have a couple friends who are Muslims. Yet, this does not hide the fact that some of their religious tenets are aimed at encouraging open or at least gradual conflict with and subjugation of all non-Muslims. This is inescapable, sad but true.   -So conflict is unavoidable, it will happen, hell it is happening, been happening for the last 1,500+ years .. What do you think should be done then, do you think we should keep allowing the Enemy to multiply in are nations?  .. Do you really want to wait until, there a huge percent of the population and they pull a Lebanon on us .How many more Belsans and 9/11s have to happen until people can get a hint...:confused:       Ideologically, Red China is less of a threat now, but still poses a potential military and geopolitical threat that is uneasily combined with a strong economic partnership with the US.   -Its not the nation of China its self I find threaten its the millions of Chinese citizens out side of China, the ones moving to White nations, I could really care less about the PRC, there not a threat, they cannot move against Siberia or anything with out the threat of being turned into nuclear vapour.     -But all those Chinese moving here, these people have no loyalty to there host nations, do you think if we ever went to War with China, that all these millions of Chinese would really fight against there motherland, fight with us? HA They would rather fight us, then with us. This is true for all none-whites, there loyalty isnt the nation, they could care less, there only here to get has much as they can.    -Also when the Chinese become the majority population in certain areas, how long until they try and pull a Tamil/Sri Lanka on us? This as happened before in history, has soon as a culturally/racially different group sets up shop in a different land and become the majority population, they will take the land the first opportunity they receive.     -So why should these people be part in are nation, if there not loyal to it? They dont even try to assimilate, they come here and set up little colonies on our land .I dont appreciate my land being turned into a little colony of China, you might But I think China is already big enough for all the Chinese, they dont need here.        There is no ideological tradition spawned from China that dictates unending military conquest of all its neighbors and all foreigners while enforcing conversion of these people to the tenets of its faith.   -Who cares about ideology? That doesnt create War; War is the most Natural thing ever, will happen Ideology or not.  -Yet through various times in its history China has invaded its neighbours and enforced conversation to there culture .So dont try pulling this China is peaceful, they only love .They dont need an ideology to want to conquer, the need for resources and living space is enough motivation . And China just so happens to need both of these things.        No European community had came even close to inventing.   -How do you now the Europeans where not close to inventing gunpowder, the Chinese invented it in what the 9th century, Europeans had it in the 13th century         Paper is obviously made from trees, and both civilizations had hordes of trees. Europe, in fact, most likely had more, especially in Roman Britain.   -Maybe Europeans had no use for paper at the time, they did have other means of writing and recording, paper is just easier to make, and use.        Seeing as modern Anatolians, Native American Peruvians and Thai people have trouble creating first world nations, this isn't white-specific technology.   -The people who infect modern Anatolia though are original from Mongolia, they only arrived in the last 1,000-2,000 years, so ..        Why would domesticating horses have been beyond North East Asians? This isn't white-specific technology either; we were just lucky to have all these useful potential domesticates so close to us.   - .They would have eaten them all?   lol  . Seriously though North East Asians had access to Horses, you say they didnt, but if they where all the way into North America They sorta had to travel through lands populated, by none-other then your beloved North East Asians ..    -Manchuria and the East China plain, good places for horses, and there where no doubt plenty of horses there, so the North East Asians had a good environment to domesticate the horse, yet they did not.       This invention is closer to being similar to paper and gunpowder, but it is still a product of its environment.   -Well if White some how managed to invent 90% of everything, I think we would have invented gunpowder and paper to.       None of these three things are proof of how 'dynamic' whites are, how unique and non-robotic they are or how superior they are to NE Asians in the realm of creativity.   -Okay, so what about all those other White achievements, the last 500 years of constant advancement good proof?   -World Domination? Common that as to count for something.        Because there is no reason at all to doubt that NE Asians would've invented bronze, domesticated horses and made formidable war-chariots if they had the right environment.   - . I thought you said that NE Asians had invented Bronze on there own; now you change your mind?        The immensely powerful Roman concrete was yet another environment-specific invention, for it contained a specific ash mined from the area of the Italian city Pozzuoli.   -You can practically make concrete any where; dont give me that it was there environment crap.        In other words, why was Warring States/Qin/Han Dynasty China more technologically innovative/important than non-Greek whites in Europe if whites are naturally more capable of innovation?   -I said because China was more united, they where not divided into a few hundred different tribes, that where constantly warring with each other.   -You also only mention non-Greek Whites in Europe, but leave the Whites out side of Europe high and dry.        It can't be down to a higher population, because the Han Dynasty census records approximately 50 Million people.   -Well Europe had how many? Divided into how many different tribes.        Do you agree, then, that it is possible that NE Asians *are* actually capable of scientific innovation, possibly even at a level superior to that of whites?   -You really think I am going to believe there more scientific innovative then Whites .        (Again, I think immigration should be brought to a halt in Australia and other white-majority nations)   -Good?   But how is that going to solve the problem, when there is already millions upon millions of None-Whites in Europe alone, with a higher birth rate  Halting immigration is a good start, but it will only slow down the problem, there are way too many None-Europeans in Europe even if we did stop immigration, it would not change much.       What is interesting is that you consider the completely factual claim of Chinese technology being essential for the modern rise of Europe 'insulting'.   -So youre saying Europes rise to greatness was all because of Chinese technology    .and you wonder why I find that insulting.        However, that you constantly insult non-whites, including NE Asians   -I am such a monster  I mean there only destroying my land and replacing my people, but I insulted them  the HOROR! .I should be so bloody ashamed of my self .O can you ever forgive me? NE Asians?....I just feel so bad *sniff sniff* ... Heres a :hug can we be freinds again?