Not exactly European, completely American(continental not the US) but created by Whites. Latin America has it's own flavor, just like the States do. Our music is descended from European styles but something completely new, it's evolution, music evolves just like people. Different European cultures like Irish, Spanish, German, French and Polish mix together and create new styles, descended from Europe but completely unique to the Americas.  Merengue music was invented by a 100% Spanish blooded White guy from the Dominican Republic, back in the days when there were still tons of White people in that country, before it became mostly mongrelized. Also in those days there was a sizeable German population in the DR and they contributed alot to merengue, which is why merengue musicians use German instruments like the accordian. Merengue was created by Europeans in the Dominican Republic, nothing Black about it. Even former dictator Rafael Trujillo used to promote the stuff in the DR and he was a total ni**er hater he was responsible for the massacre of thousands and thousands of Blacks, and had an open doors policy for all White immigrants because he wanted to Whiten the DR. If he even promoted the stuff as the DR's national music you know it's not Black lol...  Salsa and mambo are both Caribbean born descendents of traditional Spanish folk music like the contradanse, flamenco, bolero, etc.... Calypso is descended from music of the French troubadours there's a book written about it and everything, mariachi music was created by White Spaniards in Mexico, Mexican Banda music was created when the Mexicans ripped off polka music from the Germans in south Texas which is why it sounds like polka, because it is... Habanera, bachata, Cuban Son music, etc...It's all Latin American born music descended from and influenced by traditional Spanish and French music. It's the same case all over Latin America. Samba...it's supposedly a combination of Portuguese music and Black rhythm, but Blacks think all rhythm is from sub saharan Africa, not true. For cripes sake even the bongo drums were created by the ancient Egyptians and filtered down to the jungle bunnies. Argentian Tango is purely 100% White originated, even the Blacks don't try to claim any credit what so ever for that one...... I don't doubt the original early rhythms were created by Europeans (after all I've yet to see a black, Amerindian or mongrel create anything at all) but have you heard current-day salsa, merengue, etc? I have, I understand what they say (I speak Spanish, Portuguese, basic French and a bit of German) and I haven't heard songs with such a lack of lyric content, repetitiveness and plain retardness, like the caribbean/latino:rolleyes: rhythms have.    Of course I agree that's due to the degeneration by the mongrels of the original thing.     [COLOR=blue]Been to mestizo Mexico, all over, most of it was definately third world. But around Jalisco it wasn't so bad. Been to Puerto Rico, I wouldn't say PR is third world, definately not, but not as nice as most of the US for sure. I've been to Miami that should count :rofl well Miami nowadays IS mongrel America, I plan to visit the U.S. some day, but the last place I'd go is to Miami, I've more than my due share of witnessing mongrel behavior, to travel to a supposedly white country and find more mongrels.     What makes You think Argentina and Uruguay are third world hell holes?? Have you ever been there? I really doubt those countries are anywhere near being third world. But I'm not talking about mongrel America I'm talking about mostly White countries like Argentina, Uruguay and southern Brazil, also most of Chile is basically White. Venezuela, Haiti, Jamaica, Dominican Republic, Mexico, central America, Columbia, Peru, Bolivia, that's all an entirely different story. No I haven't, I lived in Venezuela, and Portugal (I'm Portuguese), but I've met people that have been to many places in mongrel America, like you I read a lot and watch TV, etc... (in Spanish, Portuguese and English) so that gives me a good insight of those places... like you say Argentina,, Uruguay, Chile and South Brazil are the whitest places in South America, but just take a look at the sub forum Stormfron en Español y Português and you'll see things are not that good, there're towns, cities with major white populations but to say that they are white countries is far fetched.    And if you take into consideration that out of the remaining white population a good part fall into 3, 4 and 5 of the categories I listed... :rolleyes:     Patriot, have you ever lived throughout Argentina and Brasil? Have you spent a long time touring both countries? And I might add, have you also lived in the US and Italy. Having actual hand-in experience in all four places? I also ask this of whoever wants to keep on arguing the point.   And the post was focusing on Argentina and Brasil, but more specifically on Brasil and again, NOT referencing the pure white full blooded Italo-Argentinos, Italo-Brasilianos, or pure white euro mixes that are there.  Please do not mistake that, how much more clearer do I have to make that point.  Talking about the many mongrel ones claiming pure whiteness and the exaggerated numbers of pure whites there. Handful of pure whites meant a few million. No denying that. But a large majority, the remainder, are mud mixed.   All these ones boasting of pure white, pure Italian, exaggerating numbers, going overboard to prove themselves white due to insecurities of knowing their mud mixture may be able to fool others but they surely have not fooled a frontline chap such as I who happens to have the ability to spread the word beyond just the internet to people in high places (i.e. Italian government).  All those ones spreading lies and exaggerations, boasting with pride &amp; arrogance, planning to setup brasilian communities in Italia and bring in 20 more of your mixed friends for every one - the ride will soon be over.   My rant online with this subject is done. I preserve energy for this subject for real life encounters. Buongiorno. ;) This is kind of my point, I have no problem with the 100% whites in mongrel America that are true to their roots and identify with European culture...    I partially agree with  Patriot  about not wanting them back in Europe, I feel that the ones that don't identify with European (maybe because they don't have only one European heritage but many, like in the U.S.) culture but with the white created culture in the Americas are probably better in the Americas (or could go back to Europe as long as they ADAPT to their chosen country/culture)    There are also whites that belong to only one heritage they just happened to be born outside Europe, and identify with their European culture, these belong in Europe.     They also had White Latino blood injected into their veins thanks to our ancestors micgenation with Amerindian &amp; Black women. Denying history or that fact will not change nothing. I'm well aware of this, but still that doesn't make them Latins they don't belong to any ethnic group that created the romance languages.    I'm well aware of the use of Latin/Latino in the PC western main stream media, I simply don't agree with it, for the reasons I exposed, in my book a real Latin/Latino is:  Whites with Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, Romanian heritage, no matter where in the world they live.    The mongrel peoples of Latin America are hispano/luso/franco/italo SPEAKERS at best (I'd say butchers instead of speakers but well, I'll try not to be too picky :D)