  Sumer was never white.   -Says You .  -But if they where not Semitic then what where they? Obvious the only other Race they could belong to is the White one, so do you have any evidence to prove there where not White? Evidence says Whites where all over the area, so they where most likely White.       Persia, while occasionally invaded by white nomads, was overwhelmingly non-white throughout it's history   -You never stop with the BS, Even IJ admitted that the Persians where White.  -Genetic Tests also show there White, so your opinion really doesnt mater.        and never compared to ancient Greece.   -Your ignorance is nauseating.  -Greece got much of its early knowledge from Hittite, Persia is a civilization like 6,000 yrs old one of the oldest and most important of are Civilizations, Yes Greece added a lot, but so did Persia.  -The Achaemenid Empire was the largest Empire of the Ancient World even larger then Rome and Han China, at its height stretching from the Pillars of Heracles to Northern India; it was essentially the worlds first super power.   -The Sassanid Empire had a significant impact on Europe and the rest of the world, it especially impacted the Military, for example the Knights of Europe can trace there heritage back to Azadan Nobility of the Sassanid Empire. Sassanid Architecture also influenced Byzantine (and in turn Eastern European) and Islamic architecture.        Erm....what?    -Well you made a remark about other Whites not doing much   It was my attempt at humour, I guess you dont understand  .        Yes, of course I want to hypothesize possible historical scenarios, you can't avoid it if you wish to discuss hereditary racial differences and their affect on civilizations. This is something that needs to be acknowledged by ethnic nationalists in all forms.   -Okay, well should I start with the first hypothesized questions or shall you?   -I think I shall start; tell me where would o great and mighty China be with out the Wheel and the Horse? Also what about Metallurgy thats not native to China; that first started in Anatolia, therefore its White .  -Man they stole/borrowed so much from us the Wheel, the Horse, Metallurgy, and all we got from them was Paper  . What a Rip off   -So China would not get any where with out Metallurgy, which is hella lot more significant then Paper and Gunpowder, and every other thing China gave us .Seriously do you understand the importance of Metallurgy? China would still be in the Stone Age, if are ancestors had not brought Metallurgy to them So of course its White people responsible for all of man kinds development, from the Stone Age on .  -And dont give any of that They discovered it on there own BS, Whites where spread out from Spain to Eastern China, so obviously Whites brought it to them . Just like we brought horses and Wheels.        These two areas grew independently of one another.   -The world was more connected then you think, inventions spread from one civilization to another, Sumer passed on the Wheel, So it dose not matter, if they grew up in different areas, things still affected them.        I agree, but what would the modern world be like had all of Greece adopted the Spartan code of living?   -The whole world would be speaking Greek?   With a White Warrior/Administration/Priest Class, an Asian Merchant/Science/Middle Class, and a Black Slave/lower class .Almost like today but more well defined .  -Spartan code is not for everybody, it good that we have some Warriors and some Scientists and some everything not mentioned; we can not all be the same thing .        But you said that white military history *dwarfs* that of non-whites even before the Renaissance, so you are lying. I would've accepted had a slight edge over non-whites, even if don't agree with that.   -White military history dose dwarf everybody, because we are the most Militarized race on the planet, and we have been at it a very long time, I mean we invaded India, before we even had States.   -Look at all the hundreds if not thousands of Wars involving are people   You think they have been doing more fighting then us, more invading more bleeding, can you name a place that as not had are boots stomping all over it?  .. Can you name a time period, when are race was not invading some where or fighting somebody?        ...really??  Ideas are things as well, you know.   -Really???  -Wow had no idea, are you sure, I mean like damn that is news to me, when did this development happen, the people must know, we must tell the people.       Modern Western Civilization is the offspring of ancient Greek and Roman cultures, but Chinese technology was an essential progressive element Competent historians or amateurs with a respectful grasp of history will admit this.   -Historians are people too, and people lie.   -But fine I will admit that; if you admit that Chinese civilization would never have been able to develop in the first place, with out you know, small things like Metallurgy and the Wheel ..     -So they stole from us, we stole from them, know there stealing from us again That still is Whites 2+ NEA 1+          The wheel was also known to the Chinese, for how else did they manage to create the ceramics of the Longshan period?   -The White man brought them it. We traveled to India and China, maybe the Indians traded to them, but it doesnt mater, we still invented it, they still got it from us, you cant prove other wise.        Of course I don't think that, but I am aware that paper and gunpowder, among other things, were no where near close to being invented in Europe, unlike China in the Han Dynasty.   -I could say the same thing about Metallurgy, if Whites had not done that; they would have probably not entered the Bronze age until much later, if at all.        Well, yes, horses do scare some people, but I doubt there would be many Mongolians who are afraid of them.   -My Bad, must have been a print over, I meant Scarce.        I am speaking of Eastern Ukraine and the steppe in and around that area.   - Well why didnt you just say so, thats not North Eastern Europe, and by the way the Steep in the Ukraine . It kinda  you know .stretches all the way across Eurasia, and straight into Mongolia.        Eastern Ukraine at this point was unique in the world for having both vast open plains and horses. Keep in mind Southern Mongolia during this era was far more forested than now, as was the world in general.   -Well that doesnt really mater much, only because the first true Horses are not from there, and they where not domesticated there either, they where domesticated a lot more East, like around South Central Russia, only some 500-1000 miles or so away from the Eastern Ukraine  ..        There's a vast steppe in Italy?!   - .Horses are just not found in the steppe .The steppe is just a place that can support a lot of them, thats why Massive Early Cavalry Armies always came from around the steppe.        Yes, wild horses were present in the North American continent, but they became extinct there around 10,000 bc. The current Native Americans had yet to arrive for many thousands of years.   -So educate me when did the Current Native Americans arrive then?        I've never said this either. Why do people become overlords if they have an impressive history?   -What is more impressive Chinese history or White history?  ..        I agree that NE Asians are less attractive than whites, especially Northern Europeans, but that's pushing it.   -How is that pushing it?  .   -White is always right, anything not White cannot be right.       No, I expect you and other to have the humility to learn at least something significant about them. Are you saying that if people view certain things as bad you shouldn't learn anything about them?   -Go for it learn all you want, but this is not a history board. So unless youre arguing about something, that is relevant         This is ridiculous beyond belief. You can't compare a country and a country's government to a family household. Immigration is different from military invasion.   -Hey buddy go look up a country called Sri Lanka, you know why Civil War is happening there? Ill tell you why, because about 100 years ago Tamil people from Northern India, started to immigrate to Sri Lanka, after Sri Lankan independence, Tamils thought they should get there little area, and look where we are now ..How long until this is happing in say Americas South with the Hispanics ..Not long  Cant wait to say TOULD YOU ALL SO, should have listened to us . Multiculturalism dose not work, history shows this, and will continue on showing it.  -Immigration is a military invasion, only there people are not invading are country with there uniforms on . Doesnt mean there not invading it though        Why is this hypocritical?   -Never said it was hypocritical, I just said how can you show so much respect to them, when there destroying are country.       They actually promoted immigration during the early and mid Tang Dynasty. Many whites or people close to being white set up enclosed communities in Chang'ang, in part because of the massive Silk Road traffic.This was the same government that abolished the death penalty.How do you think the Han Chinese should have treated these white Sogdians? Should they have shown 'no mercy'?!?   --You have no idea what youre talking about, are you really comparing at tops a few thousand Europeans, to the tens of millions of None-Europeans invading are countries today?   -To the point that there will not be 1 majority populated European country on the face of the planet in less then 100 yrs. .Where the Chinese ever in-danger of being out-breed in there own country?   -Tell me whos side are you on? ...... :confused: