  You do realize that much of the first half of this entire thread I've created is dedicated to ancient Chinese technology and science, predating the 4th century BC?   -Well I have been reading this thread for  . How long has it been?   -I dont remember every thing you said  I Guess Ill have to review...        Go back and read all of it, and then ask for more if you want to know more. Moving on...   -That was not addressed to you IJ (lol) ..   -That was addressed to Luzia he was comparing all of Chinese inventions to Rome and other Ancient Whites, I wanted him to pick a certain time period, and give all the inventions the Chinese did in that period .       IJ? Who's IJ?   -Hahahaha  An Imaginary nuisance....I think its Chinese...:smilejap       The initials for my online name are IT, as in Imperator Trajan, you know.  I am the ex-stormfront member who began this thread in the first place. I am ex-member ImperatorTrajan.   -Ya Ya I know who you are (Not literally) ..  -I dont quite know why I keep referring to you as IJ .  -Why didnt you catch on to this earlier?       it's not that other technologies from the West didn't influence China   -You know this is something I actually want to hear, go on  I want to hear this .       comes from the Chinese belief that their kingdom was the center of the civilized world, in fact, the only civilized place on earth, so they termed their kingdom the Middle Kingdom or Central Kingdom, based on this belief.  Obviously, this belief was challenged once the Chinese discovered the Empire of Parthia and kingdoms of India during the travels of the emissary Zhang Qian in the 2nd century BC.   -I thought the Chinese referred to them selfs as the Middle Kingdom, for a very long time after that  Like up until the Opium Wars.       Gunpowder is composed of three main ingredients, which are saltpetre, sulfur, and charcoal. Charcoal is essentially heated wood with other substances, and provided the carbon element for the chemical reaction in gunpowder explosives.   -So how much Sulphur and Saltpetre is in Europe?   Compared to China?   -Not to mention even if there is lots, Europe is a lot more divided and contested over then China, ever was.        Superiority in that it is simpler to learn since it is an alphabetical system.   -Superior in that probably around 2/3rds of the countries on this planet uses it; even countries that formerly based there writing system on the Chinese have changed it, like Vietnam.        The Chinese written system of thousands of characters is then superior in that many different people can communicate by writing even though they cannot by speaking.   -Other then East Asians who knows there written system?   -You could teach them all English faster then you can ever teach them the Chinese written system .        The Chinese invented more than you think.   -Okay Fine; China invented a few helpful things (What have they added in the last 300 yrs?), but China is not the only East Asian country (What did they ever add?) .You see, Asians only got China to throw around, but that is only one country/civilization  Tell me what did the rest of them do?   -I give you Greece, Persia, Britain, what do you give . China . I give you France, Germany, Rome, what do you give me . China   Understand what I am getting at ?  -Whites well we have plenty of examples, and plenty of these examples have invented more then China .. Even though China, as had a larger population, then most of these examples put together .Obviously the Aryan-White-Euro (What ever you fancy) Mind, is a lot more scientifically superior, not to mention more creative.        There was no incentive for the Chinese to question Taoist beliefs and Taoist alchemy.   -Another thing that separates us from them, what helps lead us forward, is where always questioning things  they seem like Robots/slaves .       Europeans had an incentive and greater motivation to improve technology, since Europe was not under a unified empire during the 17th, 18th, and 19th centuries, but a fractured and compact amount of states competing with one another.   -Tell me how do you explain, why the Muslims and that did not advance then? They where in the same competition with us.   -There where also many states surrounding China, Why didnt they advance there technology to give them an edge Like Europeans did against the rest of the world.       In other words, China didn't have the incentive, whereas in Europe it meant life or death not to compete to make greater technological applications, certainly in the department of artillary and firearms.   -Has you said that applies to the department of Artillery and Firearms, what about the other things?       Comparing Europe to China in the medieval period, the population of Europe was around 60 million people in the early half of the 14th century, before about a third of this died off in the Black Death, or the bubonic plague beginning in northern Italy (Genoa) during the late 1340s. China's population was not much larger than 60 million during the same century (since many of the 100 million people of the Song period were killed off in the massive Mongol invasions ending in 1279).   -My point exactly, China being united and having more population, then all are countries together, yet are countries still out due them, there smaller, less resources, less population, and still take the world, and out due everybody