ok, if you simply must have proof, here are a few examples. before you dismiss these guys as just rappers perpetrating an image, dark room familia is a very active norte gang in the nor cal area.many unsolved gang related murders from the modesto valley to oakland are suspected to be conducted by members of the nortes within DRF.    I'll have more soon, I'm still searching the one I know of.  :roflWell no wonder the Southsiders hate those Nortenos so much, they let groids in the gang?! :rofl Surenos just shoot them, not let them in the gang.