  Iraco, I've already given ample reasons why the horse wasn't present in Manchuria and Mongolia after the last glacial maximum; much of what you've said on this matter has already been addressed by me.   -Give me a link, where did you get this information on Horses not being in Mongolia and Manchuria 10,000 years ago, but some how being in North America between 10,000-30,000 BC ….   -Why should I believe that Horses traveled across North America, though the Russian Far East but not to Mongolia and Manchuria, even though the RFE is more Rockier, colder, and has less vegetation…       I was speaking of SE Asians. Learn to read.   -Learn to spell….   Because there is no reason at all to doubt that NE Asians would've invented bronze, domesticated horses and made formidable war-chariots if they had the right environment.   – Luzia Man …..       Modern concrete can be made anywhere, yes, because it uses synthetic ingredients.   -Well there are various types of concrete, modern Portland concrete I believe use’s synthetic ingredients, but when concrete was first rediscovered I doubt they used a lot of synthetic material, being in 1756 in all…..        Classical Roman concrete, however, was dependent on the volcanic ash from Central Italy.   -So there is no Volcanic Ash in China…..    -You say that it’s a “product” of the environment, pretty sure there is Volcano’s there or at least in China’s spear of influence….        That's not what I said. Learn to read.   -I know how to read quite well you said …..        Do you agree, then, that it is possible that NE Asians *are* actually capable of scientific innovation, possibly even at a level superior to that of whites?   -Clearly ask me if I think it’s possible that NE Asians are possibly at a superior level of scientific innovation then Whites…Rigghhht…….I said there capable of scientific innovation earlier, but what the hell makes you think there even on the same level as Whites? …. Or even possibly “superior”? ….        Remember: bronze working, domesticated horses and charioteering aren't white specific things, for reasons I've discussed at length (and will go into even greater depth in a topic I'm working on).   -You may have given “some” information on NE Asians inventing bronze working “independently” after Whites; There may be some haze there and no buddy can be sure, but its most certain that there Bronze Age was because of Whites…..  -Also when did they domesticate the Horse and create the chariot on there own?       At least two highly essential medieval European items imported from China were Chinese-specific, because whites had equal ability to invent them or their essential constituents but didn't manage to.   -We only had 3-4 centuries after the Chinese invented gunpowder to work with; that is not a long time…..    -Not to mention Europe just went through the Dark Ages, and Christianity/Collapse of Rome really screwed things up, we had to practically start all over again from scratch….China did have no total collapse of civilization/order, and importation of some foreigner ideology that destroyed everything….   -Not to mention all the plague and barbarian invasions from every single direction….amazing that Europe survived at all…..o well… she really came back with a vengeance didn’t she… don’t mess with Europa.        That you portray me as a soft-hearted wimp, not brazened enough to face nor stand against the harsh reality of unsettling demographic shifts in Western countries, ticks me off severely.   -……….How did I portray you as that?        Why the hell does the presence of foreign, genetically distant migrants in your country warrant bestial revulsion and abandonment of reason and contemplation?   -These people are not migrants don’t refer to them as such, there invaders and occupants out to obliterate everything I consider sacred and important, Europe is not there land, they do not belong anywhere near there…       Grow the fack up, you're old enough to know better.   -I can say the same for you, always resorting to insults and childless name calling against me, because you don’t like my opinions on certain subjects…really mature.        You also still use a hyphen to start every paragraph.   -I am not going to change it because you do not like it…. You sound like those foreigners that come here demanding that we change to suite them or not offend them….  -Seriously WTF is your problem with the hyphen's anyway?