To compare the German army with the Waffen-SS is not to compare like with like. The the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th Waffen-SS divisions were essentially composed of highly motivated volunteers who, from 1943, were generally better equipped than their army equivalents, who were overwhelmingly conscripts compulsorily called to the colours. The entire rest of the Waffen SS divisions were a mixed bag at best.    The nearest equivalent in the German Army to the largely volunteer and well equipped Waffen-SS divisions of 1943-45 was the Grossdeutschland Division. Its battlefield results and willingness to take casualties were in no way inferior to any Waffen-SS division. In fact it is believed by many observers that the alleged higher casualty rate of the Waffen SS is largely a myth.    The miracle of the German armed forces is not that well equipped volunteer units like the cited Waffen-SS divisions fought well, but that so many of the under trained, under equipped army divisions stood up to the test of battle. For example, the German division that defended Aachen so determinedly against the Americans in late 1944 was not even a Feldheer formation. It belonged to the Ersatzheer (Replacement Army) and was merely a training and replacement formation never even intended for combat.    You also cited dubious statistics in regards the enemy's casualty figures when facing the SS. Cite your sources. Also, the Waffen SS was not successful wherever they engaged the enemy; that patently is not true...    Also, the Waffen SS did receive conscripts, particularly the European volunteers.    My opinion was and is that the Waffen-SS was a complete waste of time militarily. Its men achieved nothing in the Waffen-SS that they couldn't have achieved in the army. Indeed, given the generally higher professionalism of the army's senior leadership I would suggest that Waffen-SS manpower would probably have been more use to Germany in the army. It would certainly have been less wasteful in terms of duplicated training facilities etc.    As to the old dodge that there must be a distinction between the Allgemeine SS and the Waffen SS--I must point out that they were two wings on the same bird. Personnel were exchanged between the two groups; not only that, but from where do you think the Totenkopf Division was raised? They were raised from concentration camp guards.    The fact that you used the term  alleged  death squads is also very telling.     In regards you assertion that anyone in the SS was declared a war criminal, again, this is not factual. There it was explicitly stated that membership of the SS was not of itself a crime. Like anyone else, specific SS men had to be charged with a specific crime.    It is true that the Waffen-SS was declared a criminal organisation at Nuremberg. However, there was a reason for this. This was because, due its particular character as an institution, its men were far more likely to be involved in war crimes than other branches of the Wehrmacht. (For example, of four massacres of their civilians that the French brought up at Nuremberg, three were committed by the Waffen-SS, yet W-SS men comprised 5% or less of the German manpower in France).    What really condemns the Waffen-SS as a criminal organisation is the demonstrably better behavior of the German Army, which was campaigning under identical operational conditions to the Waffen-SS. After Army complaints about SS indiscipline in Poland in 1939, the Waffen-SS was withdrawn from coverage by military law and thereafter, as an institution, was held to different standards from the Army.    This is laughable:       As far as white civilians go, many east europeans seem willing to indict Germans in general and the SS in particular for war crimes while overlooking the fact that it was white eastern europeans who acted as the willing enforcers of zionist/communist/jewish domination of russia and eastern europe.   They should indict them; after all, it was they who were victimized/used by them. The word Zionist in the above quote is laughable. There was no Zionist phenomenon in Russia. You can't even make the claim that there was Jewish domination of Russia, either. At any rate Zionism in that regard is an absolute non-issue. I can't believe you said that.    At the end of the day defenders of the Waffen-SS as a military institution must justify its existence by producing some evidence that it represented value added over and above the already high standards maintained by the German Army. This they cannot do.