[quote=Unido;6038674][quote=-The Patriot-;6036627]       Black music degenerate? yeah, right! :rolleyes:   I said most Black Jazz. Some music that is performed by Blacks is okay. I'm from the Detroit area so I grew up hearing plenty of Motown and Al Green(he's from Grand Rapids, MI) on the radio and I don't really think it's degenerate.    Whites did not create any new music in America.   Oh...yes they did, typical Black mantra:rolleyes:    White music in America is nothing but white washed black music Period.    More typical Black mantra. Only Black people create music, White boys just immitate:rolleyes: Uh huh...and in the 1600s when Europeans like Monteverdi, Telemann and Vivaldi were composing masterpieces and the Irish were singing folk songs like Whiskey In the Jar, and Europeans were playing the piano, fiddle, violin, the sax, the trumpet, the accordian, the mandolin and the guitar what were the Black Africans up to I wonder...probably down there in the jungle banging on a hollowed out log with a stick. Seriously. What type of music could Blacks have ever played without having been introduced to White instruments and musical theory and harmonies and having been introduced to and influenced by White Christian Hymns and Gospel and Folk music and Old Time Hillbilly music, and Marching Band music and Classical music, hm...gee, I wonder. We'd be back to more banging on primitive made drums with sticks and yelling and shouting. What would they be doing right now without beat machines, synthesizers and such that were created and pioneered by White Europeans. Hm... how would they make their rap music beats...     Elvis King of rock 'n' roll:   But not the first rock n' roll and not the inventor of rock n' roll was he? No of course not, you want some real old school, early proto-rock n' roll from the 1930s and 40s go listen to some Maddox Brothers and Rose.    The colored folks been singing it and playing it just like I'm doin' now, man, for more years than I know. They played it like that in the shanties and juke joints and nobody paid it no mind 'til I goose it up.   Played what exactly?    I got it from them.    Oh did he? That's cool.    Down in Tupelo, Mississippi, I used to hear old Arthur Crudup bang his box the way I do now, and I said if I ever got to the place I could feel all old Arthur felt, I'd be a music man like nobody ever saw. - Elvis on Rock &amp; Roll music,Charlotte Observer, June 26, 1956  Arthur Big Boy Crudup (also known as Pop Crudup) (August 24, 1905 — March 28, 1974) was a delta blues singer and guitarist. He is best known outside blues circles for writing songs later covered by Elvis Presley (and since covered by dozens of other artists), such as That's All Right (Mama) (1946), My Baby Left Me and So Glad You're Mine.[/b][/b]    What you're trying to do here is pretend like Elvis was influenced by some negro in a juke joint and no one else:rolleyes: Elvis's biggest musical influences were Hillbilly/Country singers and Gospel(White Gospel). He even began his career as a Country singer. Like I already said, there were 2 separate and distinct streams of music that got lumped together into the broad rock n roll category which was created by DJs and record companies in the 1950s. The Black stream which was hyped up rhythm and blues, and the White stream which was Hillbilly music on steroids with a more pronounced back beat and more percussion than a typical Hillbilly song, this is referred to as Rockabilly. Elvis just liked music, he was influenced by everything he heard, every musician is influenced consciously or subconsciously by everything they hear. Elvis didn't care if it was Black music or White music he just played whatever and listened to whatever he felt like. If he was passing by some Black juke joint and heard some interesting sounding music he'd just listen and maybe ask them hey how do you get that sound? then they show him and he says something like well, thank ya, thank ya very much and he adds a new technique or lick to his arsenal and thinks nothing of it. Elvis just liked music, period, he didn't care if it was performed by a Black or White person, he'd listen to anything and everything and he soaked it all up like a sponge. Something about Elvis's musical tastes from the wikipedia with good references, pretty well known stuff about the Hillbilly Cat...     In Memphis, Presley went to record stores that had jukeboxes and listening booths, playing old records and new releases for hours. He was an audience member at the all-night white—and black—gospel sings downtown.[46] Memphis Symphony Orchestra concerts at Overton Park were another Presley favorite, along with the Metropolitan Opera. His small record collection included Mario Lanza and Dean Martin.  Presley later said, I just loved music. Music period.[ 43]      Memphis had a strong tradition of blues music and Presley went to blues as well as hillbilly venues . Many of his future recordings were inspired by local African American composers and recording artists, including Arthur Crudup, Rufus Thomas and B.B. King.[47] King says that he knew Elvis before he was popular. He used to come around and be around us a lot ... on Beale Street.[48]     Presley himself said: I loved records by Sister Rosetta Thorpe, ...  Roy Acuff, Ernest Tubbs, Ted Daffan, Jimmie Rodgers, Jimmy Davis and Bob Wills .[45]  Those are all White Country singers he's naming there...other than the first one she was a Black singer who sang mainly Black Gospel music.    Now Elvis Presley was supposedly the first guy to blend these 2 streams of rock and roll together, the Black R&B styled stuff and the White Country/Hillbilly styled stuff(Rockabilly), that's what he's most known for, but his biggest and earliest influences were still Country/Hillbilly and Gospel and he is still classified as Rockabilly. He began his career performing only Country/Hillbilly music, his nickname was the Hillbilly Cat, he appeared several times as a guest on the Grand Ole Opry and Louisiana Hayride and his first #1 hit single was a Country song, it was #1 on the Country charts in 1955.[/B]    Here is Elvis Presley's first #1 charted single,it is a Country song, it was recorded in 1955, his first rock n' roll album wasn't even recorded until a year later in 1956. The song reached the [ Billboard  national  country music  chart #1 position by February 1956, and remained there for 5 weeks. It was the first recording to make Elvis Presley a national known country music star.  [2]   [3]    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apir6cgcdbY[/youtube]    Oh and speaking of Elvis Presley, that reminds me of this... :D    Elvis Presley: Nazi  May 18, 2005  From: Agence France-Presse      Almost 28 years after his death, fans of the King of  Rock, Elvis Presley, can now see their icon in a  radically different light; that as a Nazi.  The legend is seen wearing a Nazi cap and giving a  Nazi salute in some pictures taken from a grainy  half-hour home cine film.    The pictures, believed to be from the sixties, were  taken during a boat trip with friends and have  surfaced at the same time as Presley's ex-wife  Priscilla released his home movies.    I was given it ages ago, I think when I used to own a  bar. But I had never watched it. It wasn't until I  found it in the loft that I decided to. When I did I  was shocked, Mark Vernon, who owns the tape, was  quoted as saying.     http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...-13762,00.html       Jimmy Rodgers Father of Country music     Jimmie Rodgers is considered the first Country music super star (even though the music still wasn't even called Country back then until around the 1940s, up until then it was still either classified as race music if the performer was Black or hillbilly music if they were White) he was nationwide famous and very rich for his time, he rode around in Cadillacs, wore expensive fancy suits and bought himself a large mansion in Texas known as the Blue Yodeler's Paradise because the Blue Yodeler was his nickname that one of his first producers gave him .     A Mississippi native, Jimmy Rodgers (1897 - 1933) was an amateur guitar player who worked as a railroad brakeman until tuberculosis forced him to find other work. He adapted black country blues into commercial hillbilly music   No he didn't that's a lie that anti-White idiots like you like to spread around, he did no such thing, Jimmie Rodgers was all original. That crap you're saying that he immitated some Black music is some bullcrap started by an anti-White, Commie, so called musicologist named Cohen, I can't remember his first name. He said that in a book he wrote about American music on the chapter about Jimmie Rodgers. You're quoting right out of that book, his name is Cohen that says it all, the anti-White agenda is clear. I can't recall the first name off hand.     Back in Jimmie Rodger's days there was no such thing as a genre of music called Blues, Jimmie Rodgers was one of the pioneers of what would later become a genre known as Blues. He had a big influence on Black Bluesmen like Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters most notably. Which is why he has a marker on the Mississippi Blues Trail for his importance to the development of the Blues. He didn't copy Blacks, Blacks like Howlin' Wolf copied him! That's where Howlin' Wolf got his signature Howl from, from listening to Jimmie Rodgers yodel! But of course you knew that. Muddy Waters took his name after listening to Mississippi River Blues by Jimmie Rodgers, because his nickname was already Muddy from when he was a kid he liked to play in the mud all the time, and in Rodger's Mississippi River Blues he talks about Mississippi muddy waters. Muddy Waters thinks hey I'm from Mississippi and they call me Muddy, I'ma call myself Muddy Waters from Mississippi, Mississippi Muddy Waters. Jimmie Rodgers was all original and he and his contemporary Charlie Patton(a mulatto) were the Fathers of the Mississippi Delta Blues. Jimmie Rodgers has directly or indirectly influenced every Blues and Country singer to come after him, Black or White.    The country blues was not Black music and as you should know by now, there was no genre of music called Blues until the 1940s. Back before then, back in the 1930s,20s, all the way back into the 19th century there was no genre called Blues or Country. Both Blacks and Whites played music that would now be recognized as Blues or Country. Back then blues/country/fok was just the same thing, there were no genres for that kind of music, there was no distinction to be made. The genres were created later on by the record industry and radio stations for marketing convenience to market music made by Blacks to Blacks and music made by Whites to Whites. It was just the music that poor, rural Southerners played, both Black and White. Both Whites and Blacks sang the blues and played the blues, because back then the Blues was not a genre. When they would say they were singin' the blues or playin' the blues they are talking about a feeling, not a genre. Whites played blues and blacks played blues. It was all just Southern, rural poor folks music, folk music. The Blues and Country as genres didn't start to develop and become distinct from one another until around the 1940s when the record companies dropped the old manufactured terms Hillbilly and Race music and replaced them with the terms Blues/Rhythm and Blues and Country/Country and Western. Until that time there was no such thing as Blues as a separate genre. Blues and Country was the same thing. There was no distinction.     In the 19th century there was no such thing as Blues or Country as a separate and distinct genre. There were traveling musicians called Songsters, back before they were called Bluesmen. These songsters were White or Black, there were just as many White songsters as Black ones and they all traveled around from town to town hopping trains, walking and hitching around the South playing their music, literally playing for their supper. The music of both the White and Black songsters at that time was basically just the same thing. Alot of them even played the same old songs and licks that they had picked up who knows where. If you go listen to the earliest recorded Race music and Hillbilly music and the earliest recored Country and Blues music you will hear that there is almost zero distinction. Basically the only difference back then was the race of the performer. They all played the same Folk/Roots music. This early type of American roots music is sometimes called the country blues. It was before there was a separate genre known as Blues or Country. Later, thanks to the record industry, the Country part would become identified with Whites and the Blues part identified with Blacks. Country is White Blues and Blues is Black Country/Folk and vice versa. Later when the Blacks started leaving the country and moving into the cities they started developing a more uh..polished, and ah..slick and urbanized style of playing and singing and began losing that rural country, roots music sound and feel. After the categories/genres of Country and Blues were whipped up by the record industry the Blacks and Whites started to develop more distinct styles from one another. But it's all based in the same American roots music which was a muddled up mix of all American music, of Folk, Old Time, Hillbilly, Spiritual songs(Whites made them too you know, that's why Black spiritual songs are called negro spirituals to set them apart from White spiritual songs), Gospel, Work Songs(Whites sang work songs too ya know. They were out there picking cotton and swinging the railroad pick or on the chain gang and singing songs to boost morale and make the day go by better too ya know, most Whites never owned a single slave and picked their own damn cotton and went up and down the rows singin' songs), and later, Dixieland/Jazz. All 20th century American music is rooted in this American roots music. All poor, Southern countryboy Songsters went around the South playin' the country music, playin' and singin' the blues. Later the genres of Blues and Country were manufactured by record labels and from then on out the Black Bluesmen and White Country singers began to develop more distinct styles.    Jimmie creating a new form called the blue yodel.   His producer gave him that nickname, because he would Yodel and sing blue songs. But remember, back then there was no such thing as a genre known as the blues that came later. Everyone would sing the blues, it was a feeling, an emotion, a sad, depressed, lonely sounding type of song. Poor, rural, White and Black Southerners went around playing blue songs, everyone called low, sad, lonely type songs a blue song or blues songs, because they were singing about feeling blue, you had to feel blue to play blue, you had to have the blues to play the blues! And the blues was not a separate genre back then. Jimmie Rodgers as I've already told you is actually considered a pioneer of what would become known as the genres called Blues AND Country. He has directly or indirectly influenced every single Black Bluesman, White Country musician and Rock and Roll/Rock musician to come after him. He is considered the single most important figure next to Charlie Patton(a mulatto songster) in the development of what would come to be known as the Mississippi Delta Blues. He was a big influence on later Black Bluesmen like Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf and they'd tell you that themselves and have said so in interviews. Howlin' Wolf himself said he copied his Howl vocal style after Jimmie Rodger's Blue Yodel and Muddy Waters thought of the idea for his stage name while listening to Rodger's Mississippi River Blues. He shaped the course of both the genres that are now known as Blues and Country. That's why he even has a marker on the famous Mississippi Blues Trail and it says for his importance to the development of the Blues and in particular the Mississippi Delta Blues because he was from Mississippi. Jimmie Rodgers was no immitator, he was a true pioneer and innovator and was a huge influence on the development of both the Blues and Country genres. Any serious, old school Black Bluesman would tell you that.    Speaking of Jimmie Rodgers, here, this one is just for you Unido, Unregistere and Four Eyes, I know you'll like it. It is Jimmie Rodger's Blue Yodel #9, recorded in 1930. I am posting this for you guys because I know you will enjoy it because that is a young Louis Armstrong playing the horn. It is as far as I know, the first example of a country(there was no country genre in 1930), or blues(was no blues genre in 1930 either) musician incorporating a Dixieland horn sound into a song. I post this just especially for you my friends, enjoy.;)   Now you'll find my name on the tail of my shirt, I'm a Tennessee hustler and I don't have to work:rofl  [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxqUgFFSFRQ[/YOUTUBE]  I'm also pretty sure this may be the first gangsta song. I think the lyrical content had a big influence on gangsta rappers. Jimmie Rodgers was a straight up OG hustler guys :rofl  [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa_a7cUjC4o&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]  Oh what the heck, here's one more of my favorite Jimmie Rodgers tunes while I'm at it  [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5W7q8IsnPs&feature=related[/YOUTUBE]    Oh and by the way the first Blues composition to be published and recorded was by a White, German-American from Oklahoma in 1912, it was called Dallas Blues(by Hart Wand). It was very popular at the time and had a big impact on the development of popular music. People were singing and playing Hart Wand's Dallas Blues all up and down the Mississippi River and across the South.  [I]  -----------------------------------------------------     Bill Monroe father of bluegrass    Bill Monroe was not the first to play the style we now call Bluegrass. He himself has said in numerous interviews that he didn't by any means invent the Bluegrass sound and wasn't the first to do it. He was just the first big star of that style and the one to really start taking it mainstream and so the style was named after his band, the Bluegrass Boys and that's why people sometimes call him the father of bluegrass, but he himself said he's flattered by the title but it's not really true that people had been playing like that since before him.       Also an avid guitarist by the age of 12, Monroe's developing instrumental style was likewise shaped by the African-American musical traditions/teachings of black fiddler/guitarist Arnold Schultz. Music historians credit Schultz with putting the blues in bluegrass.   Says who? Some dumbass obviously.    Monroe blended these two styles into his own, a combination of the raw tonalities of Negro blues and the lonesome sound of the mountain modal ballads.    Says who? Some dip shi#. Bill Monroe played a few jam sessions with a negro fiddler and now you're trying to make it sound like he taught Bill Monroe everything he knew:rolleyes: BS. Making mountains out of molehills and making crap up after Bill Monroe has been dead for 12 years is all this is, revisionism to try and perpetuate this myth of the magical musical negro who just shows up out of the clear blue, teaches this White boy everything he knows, then disappears, and the White boy he supposedly influences so much never even mentions him within his lifetime, this stuff is discovered after he's dead and gone, uh huh. No one believes that some random little negro fiddle player had such a big impact on Bill Monroe, because he didn't. Where the hell would a negro fiddle player in the Kentucky Hills of all places have learned to play the Irish fiddle in the first place?. From White Hillbillies, of course. Not too many Black folks in those Kentucky Hills back then...still aren't today.    (It is rumored that shortly after Monroe's years of tutelage, Schultz was murdered, given poisoned whiskey by fellow musicians jealous of his talent.)    I'm so sad. Years of tutelage my ass, says who exactly? Hm...I wonder...probably some musicologist named Levin or Cohen is my best guess... But anyhow, Robert Johnson was supposedly killed by poisoned Whiskey too, but because he had been cheating with some other guy's woman and he found out and poisoned his half pint of whiskey that he used to drink before every show. There's a little trivia for ya.     In Bill Monroes own words on Bluegrass music...  It's got a hard drive to it. It's Scotch bagpipes and old-time fiddlin'. It's Methodist and Holiness and Baptist. It's blues and jazz and it has a high lonesome sound. It's plain music that tells a story. It's played from my heart to your heart, and it will touch you. – Bill Monroe    and?? Is this supposed to upset me? White people started Jazz and by now you should already know where the blues comes from. I've still never heard any Jazz influence on Bluegrass anyways, they never use horns. I think they just say that because they improvise alot like in Jazz.     The Carter Family the first family of country music [i]When Riddle traveled with A.P., he acted as a human recorder by learning the songs and teaching them to Sara and Maybelle. Riddle's guitar work influenced the playing of Maybelle Carter who incorporated Riddle's blues lick into her style. Maybelle's guitar style became the famous Carter Scratch.    That's a real big fat lie right there. That Riddle negro was nothing but a tag-a-long who helped them keep track of songs on song finding trips, just a hang around. He did NOT teach Maybelle her signature Carter Scratch, he didn't have anything to do with it. She has talked about how she developed her Carter Scratch in countless interviews and I've never heard her in her own words say anything about some random negro named Riddle teaching her a damned thing. She developed her style all on her own, she was all original. You're telling straight out slanderous lies. Once again, the modern anti-White myth of the magical musical negro who pops up out of the clear blue in racist Hillbilly territory, teaches some White person everything they know, then disappears without hardly a trace and the person who they supposedly influenced or taught so much never even mentions them. This stuff is discovered(made up completely or extremely exaggerated) by some anti-White Jewish,, Commie or Black so-called music historian after they're dead and gone. They have an anti-White agenda. Uh huh, sure buddy, why not. Maybelle came up with her Carter Scratch all on her own. She never says anything about that negro when she talks about how she developed that famous signature style of hers in interviews. He was just the Carter Family's pet negro and human tape recorder.:D:D:p