How did the cruder conifer Pesse boat(older) in the Netherlands survive for over 8000 years? :rolleyes:   According to him, “The bow and stern are both carefully worked to points, giving the boat a notably more elegant form”, compared to “the dugout made of conifer wood from Pesse in the Netherlands, whose blunt ends and thick sides seem crude”. To go by its stylistic sophistication, he reasons, “It is highly probable that the Dufuna boat does not represent the beginning of a tradition, but had already undergone a long development, and that the origins of water transport in Africa lie even further back in time.”  ' . This thread isn't about primitive boats, it is about music so I don't really want to derail the thread here by talking about any hypothetical ancient sub saharan boats. Now where is a picture of this supposed 8,000 year old African boat?? Why don't you include a picture or the link to this source of yours? hm.... And why can't Black Africans still hardly make boats to this day??Ever seen their boats over there?? They have rickety old fishing boats that look like they will fall apart at any moment. And why don't they build ships? Ever seen an African ship?(by African I am meaning sub saharan Black African not caucasian north African of course).