Many could top those. Study some real history for a change, not your high school history book.   :rolleyes::rolleyes:Nope. Doesn't quite cut the mustard I am afraid. The Islamic Renaissance is laughable compared to Greece, Rome, Victorian Britain, the European Renaissance and the White America of old. I'm laughing at you! ha! See! :rofl:D     Hm...I also wonder how many of those Muslims were White guys like the Berbers?? Islamic is not a race. Not everyone from the Islamic world has historically been non-White you do know that? There are still to this day pockets of racially White people to be found in North Africa, Turkey and places like Syria, Lebanon and especially Iran, mostly in the upper classes who have been able to avoid mongrelization. Now several hundreds of years ago in the time period you're talking about there would've been many more racially White people still around in these regions, your beloved Islamic Renaissance period is considered to have taken place from the 8th century through the 13th century according to your wikipedia reference here. That was still in the days of the Byzantine Empire, Constantinople didn't fall to the Turks until the 15th century. So there were still alot of White people all over the middle-east back then, the majority of the upper classes in the Islamic world outside of the Arabian peninsula would've still been racially White and non-mongrelized, especially in Persia. I have a feeling you will discover that many of these people who were important figures of the so-called Islamic Renaissance period were actually racially White Persians, Berbers, etc... Like this famous Persian inventor right here...    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ibn_Hayyan.jpg  His mustache/beard looks blondish/light brown to me....Looks a bit like a Viking!! :D Doesn't much resemble a Brown skinned, dune coon, Arabian mongrel.    Well, that's about all I have to say about that.     PS- : [email protected]  the so-called Islamic Renaissance being more glorious than the European Renaissance, ancient Greece and Rome, Byzantium and the Victorians. Dream on!:p   I also think it's funny that you think Islamic is a race.;)