It always staggers me that the WN is never able to acknowledge the effect that slavery and racism can have on a people. I by no means believe that all whites should bend over backwards trying to please blacks, nor am i suggesting that a black has a right to commit crime, but to ignore the effect of state sponsored racism seems silly. Whilst blacks were working in the fields, whites had established upper, middle and working class families. There were whites who were lawyers or doctors or businessman. These whites educated their offspring and throughout the centuries their descendents have probably been successful. Blacks on the otherhand were freed, but then had to compete with the white working class for jobs. The employers knew that any black was once a slave and so probably paid less or in some cases just hired whites anyway. Blacks were excluded from the established economy and were prevented from creating an alternative economy by draconian laws. Up until recently blacks were severely discriminated against in the workplace and were often overlooked in favour of whites. We talk about affirmative action, but in reality affirmative action has been the norm for whites for centuries. I am not saying this gives Blacks the right to commit crime and i quite agree that handouts such as welfare are not the answer, however it will take longer than a couple of decades to produce a black middle and upper class of any real size and i feel the crime will continue until this is achieved. The whole mentality needs to change. Whites are told  you can achieve anything whereas blacks are called slaves or inferior. I think if the white community had such a concentration of poor people, then the same levels of crime would be seen. Russia is evidence of this. Also in the UK, white council estates suffer from crime. When you talk of IQ, i think there is a link with wealth. Most Eastern European countries for example have lower IQ's than western European countries. I think this i due to poverty within those countries. I am not even sure IQ actually means that much, do successful business men or scientists or writers have high IQ's? I am not entirely sure. If you score 5 points higher than me in an IQ test, will you beat me in all exams? Again i am not sure. OKay, now that you've explained the situation in America for us...explain...Africa.....they weren't enslaved and it's still a hell hole. What a coincidence. You know what? I'm a racial separatist I couldn't give a rat's backside how smart or friendly and great people the Black race may be, it makes no difference what so ever to my ideaology of racial separation and White Nationalism.   How many drive bys and gang murders do you see in White dominated trailer parks? Or in the very poor and White areas of Appalachia? Russia? Okay, how many drive bys and gang murders take place in Russia? I don't think it's anywhere on par with America, Jamaica, Haiti or Africa. How many White women get raped and attacked in Russia? How many people get mugged on the street? How many crack dealers, pimps, hookers, and gang bangers are loitering around Moscow? Enlighten me.:rolleyes: :