  Maybe with the MTV kiddie-goth Mansonite Whoohoo, look at me, I'm bisexual because it's the in thing! crowd (I call this type the Hot Topic Bisexuals, it's condemned. But the older crowd tends to be more intelligent. My circle of friends tends to lean to the right.   Erm, no. With actual goths, who read Keatsian literature and have debates? Who despise hot topic? If they lean to the right as you say then they aren't goths. They have no right calling themselves such. The gothic subculture has nihilism as a major theme, which doesn't fit in with WN at all. The YOUNGER goths who don't even understand the subculture may fall into the right, but they're far from real goths. How dare you deride actual goths when you know nothing about the subculture in question obviously. You do know that black metal is scorned in the subculture don't you, due to its racist comment? You do know that most goths despise mansonesque lyrics and attitude, and MTV in general (which doesn't tend to play gothic music)?