[quote=Four Eyes;6038321][quote=-The Patriot-;6038154][quote=Four Eyes;6036834][quote=-The Patriot-;6036620][quote=Four Eyes;6034832]       I have to say that now were just getting bogged down in semantics now, though I will take one last swipe by saying that Bill Haley covered Rocket 88   Everybody covered everybody back in those days. Alot of famous songs from Black Bluesmen were covers of old traditional Folk songs written and originally performed by White Southerners, some even dating back to Europe. Chuck Berry's (aka the Black Hillbilly) first hit single was Maybellene which was a renamed and slightly reworked version of the song Ida Red by the Country group Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys, which itself was an updated version of an old, traditional Appalachian(White) Folk song.     So as far as traditional African music goes, the West African worksongs and hollers were a practice commonly used to break up the monotony of repeatative manual labor, slaves carried these traditions over to the US and they became spirituals and chain gang songs, if you listen to old blues albums (Son House for example) some of the songs are just vocals and clapping, other bluesmen (I was just listening to When the War Was On by Blind Willie Johnson) deliberately adopted the throat singing style (a style found in Asia and Europe as well but not practiced by white American settlers, it was mostly a Russian thing). If you want to claim that spirituals are white or that they had no bearing on the blues go ahead, but site examples.   So called negro spirituals resulted from the Black slaves' exposure to White Christian hymns back when they were still on the plantation. Whites also made spiritual songs, the original spiritual songs, which is why negro spirituals are called negro spirituals to distinguish them. Negro spirituals are called negro spirituals or just simply spirituals and Whites usually say spiritual song instead of just spiritual. Also, slave owners were known to write work songs for their slaves to sing while they worked the fields, to make them work better.;) Mark Twain used to enjoy penning new work song lyrics for his family's slaves to sing while they picked the cotton. Also, most Whites never owned a single slave and picked their own damned cotton, and they too sang work songs to boost morale while they moved up and down the rows picking cotton.      If you want to claim that spirituals are white or that they had no bearing on the blues go ahead, but site examples    Oh they did have an influence on the Blues and all American music, they became a part of the stew known as American roots music, Americana, the modern genres of Blues, Country, Jazz, Rock, etc...all have roots in this mash up, which is why it's called, roots music. But since you have requested for me to site examples, I shall do so... From Black guys..who are professional ethno-musicologists...with college degrees from some of the most prestigous universities...    Even BLACK, PROFESSIONAL, college educated ethno-musicologists will side with me on that:D Read..   studies by  Willie Ruff  and others have situated the origin of black spiritual music inside enslaved peoples' exposure to their masters'  Hebridean -originated gospels. [8]  African-American economist and historian  Thomas Sowell  also notes that the southern, black, ex-slave population was acculturated to a considerable degree by and among their Scots-Irish  redneck  neighbours.     Go look at some photos of Willie Ruff and Thomas Sowell, just look at how Black they are and look at their college degrees in musicology:D Maybe you won't believe them either? They are professionals on ethno-musicology, just like me:p     Also as far as New Jack Swing goes the song New Jack Swing itself is a rap song produced by Teddy Reily (often credited with creating the genre) and performed by Wreckx-N-Effect, next time you try to define things in terms of your own lexicon, I suggest you stay away from things you know very little about   The music known as New Jack Swing is still a style of r&b/accappella music no matter where the term new jack swing may have came from, you're not going to tell me that Keith Sweat and Johnny Gill were hip hop and not r and b are you?:rolleyes:. But I really don't care about the new jack swing.    Let's try to keep this from being one of those chicken/egg things, that is to say if we indeed do want to keep this up   .You could keep this up like a bottle of viagra, over in the music thread I've posted links to on here if that's what floats your boat. I really don't care. I've been over this same stuff on here so much in the last year it really becomes tedious, I'd rather not. But It's your thing, do what ya wanna do - the Isleys :rofl;)