[quote=Four Eyes;6036834][quote=-The Patriot-;6036620][quote=Four Eyes;6034832][quote=-The Patriot-;6032863]       You're just dodging me now, you have no idea what you're talking about,   I beg to differ.    Despite what you heard Hendrix was very interested in the black power movement, he even used to announce Voo Doo Child as the Black Power national anthem.   Yeah? That's great.    Have you ever even heard rocket 88 (it came out 3 years before Rock Around the Clock)?   Yeah, it sucks and doesn't sound like rock n' roll. It came out in 1951? Move It On Over was 1947;) Rock Around the Clock ripped off the melody from Move It On Over.    Have you ever listened to Bo Diddley?   I try not to. But yes I've heard him.    Blues is not as fast or aggressive, they used to call the the Rolling Stones and some of their British invasion counter parts White Boy Blues Bands because they were clearly trying to sound like Muddy Waters,   Rolling Stones worshipped groid bluesmen for some reason, yeah no big surprise. Mick Jagger he married a Black girl and had a half breed child.    they were slower than early Isley Brothers (Shout! and Twist and Shout are rock and roll staples)   Isley Brothers are R&B.    or Bo Diddley (Pills, Hey Bo Diddley, and Roadrunner are very much rock tunes),   If you say so. Remember, rock n' roll is not the same thing as Rock. Rock didn't start until the 1960s. Rock n' roll was just the main influence on Rock but rock n' roll and Rock music are not technically the same thing. Rock n' Roll was a little fad in the 1950s and very early 1960s, it died down in the mid 1960s and then Rock music was born. Some people use the terms Rock music and Rock n' Roll interchangeably but that's not technically correct.    so are they not rock and roll either?    Rolling Stones are rock n' roll. Affirmative. Isley Brothers and Bo Diddley? No.    I mentoned Afrobeat as a style of music that grew out of Africa and you dodged it completely.   Probably because some afro beat nonsense isn't worth my time. It was influenced by American music too, I'm talking about real African music with no Western influence at all..traditional stuff..not some stuff that began in the 1970s after a Nigerian took a trip to the US and brought back what he learned to Nigeria...   Afrobeat  is a combination of  Yoruba music ,  jazz ,  Highlife , and  funk   rhythms  You see, it was influenced by Jazz, Funk and R&B, so it's not real African music.    Nigerians were first introduced to Afrobeat in 1970  when Kuti returned from a U.S tour  with his group Nigeria 70 (formerly Koola Lobitos).        I never said blacks invented bass but rather that African drum cadences are prevalent throughout popular music and have been for some time.    Yes, maybe in rap music and reggae, or the samba.    Rock historians will tell you this stuff, that jazz was for some time considered to be the music of blacks and Jews   That myth only really started in the 1950s. Anyone who says Jass music was started by Blacks is quite simply..a liar or a fool. The fact remains that...the first band to record Jazz music was all White, the first band/s to popularize jazz music nationwide were White, the first band to call themselves a Jazz(Jass at the time) band was all White. You're not getting around that:D Hey look, anyhow, this is supposed to be about Black culture, not a debate on ethno-musicology so if you really like arguing about this crud then go over to this music thread  https://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...ighlight=music  or something, you might find someone there who wants to argue about this stuff, if not, have a nice life because I have better things to do. I'm not really here to convince anyone of anything. If it makes you feel sleep better at night to think Blacks were the first to play Jazz music or Rock n' Roll, then go right ahead. Doesn't make much difference to me. I'll still be right and I'll still be White, that's what really counts to me:cool: You'll still be seeing mainly White performers and fans at any popular Jazz club today, or on contemporary Jazz radio, or at a rock concert and in the rock music scene. I guess if Blacks did create Jazz or Rock n' Roll(of course they didn't but I'm being hypothetical) then they must not have been much good at it, they just couldn't hang with the White folks because the Rock and Jazz scenes are dominated by Whites and White-ish Ashkenazi Jews and not Blacks and have been for quite some time. So I guess you all just couldn't hang with the White folks, Whites must've gotten too talented, sophisticated and advanced for the Blacks and left them in the dust.:p   and that most early white rock and roll acts site black musicians as primary influences, remove blacks from the equation and the music just doesn't come out the same   . Okay look ... I'm gonna lay the real deal on ya like butter on a roll, slick(am I speaking your language?:p Trying to use terms you would understand a little better, perhaps.). Here's the scoop...there were two main streams of uh...proto-rock n' roll at the time, there was the Black R&B style, and there was the White Country/Hillbilly-ish style. Most early White rock n' rollers were influenced more by Country/Hillbilly music and played a more Countryish/Hillbillyish style, later this would come to be called Rockabilly. Most Blacks(aside from Chuck Berry aka the Black Hillbilly) basically played R&B. All of this stuff got lumped together under the same umbrella of rock n' roll by some Jewish DJ from Cleveland. When you listen to early Black rock n' rollers they sound like R&B, when you listen to early White rock n' rollers they sound more Country/Hillbilly influenced, yes even Elvis aka the Hillbilly Cat who used to play Hillbilly music on the Grand Ole Opry before he was a Rock n' Roll/Rockabilly star and used to get played on Country stations all the time and still does, same as Jerry Lee Lewis, who even made only exclusively Country songs in the late 1960s and later on in his career and still does sing mainly Country to this day.    So you see, the Blacks and Whites had different styles. People say Elvis Presley was a big deal because he was influenced by both the more Country/Hilllbilly style that the White guys were playing and by the R&B styles that the Blacks were playing and sort of melded them together. But he is classified as Rockabilly and had an extensive background from day one in Country/Hillbilly music and that was his main influence. Compare the Rockabilly sound to the more R&B sound of people like Little Richard, Fats Domino, and people(Black people) like that and you'll see the difference. When most White people think of rock n' roll they think more of the Rockabilly style, I think from the sound of it when Blacks think rock n' roll they think more of the R&B style, which alot of White people don't even really consider to be rock n' roll , just like you keep saying Isley Brothers are rock n' roll but I think most White people like me hear that and say no that's not rock n' roll that's R&B. There were 2 separate streams that ended up being combined under the same rock n' roll umbrella by record companies and some DJs, like that Jew from Cleveland, Friedman I think was his name.    Okay, now seriously...if you want to go on and on arguing and debating about ethno-musicology then you could do it right here...  https://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...ighlight=music  Instead of derailing this thread any further, and I'm still waiting to hear all of this traditional African music that I keep hearing of that spawned all popular music as we know it today:rolleyes: Not some jungle boogie afro beat that was only started in the 1970s after a Nigerian took a trip to the US and heard all of the American music.