Patriot:  What exactly did I say which was false? Anything? No. Now I am hearing excuses:D On the issue of Jazz, first Jazz band was the Razzy Dazzy Spasm Band, all White, discussion over. Yes, that was quick , you're right.  No, not because of that, because the first Jazz band was White.  Sure was. Simply stepping into a popular urban Jazz club will support this claim. Or turning on a contemporary Jazz station.  Suure buddy, why not;) The Blacks never created any music in Africa beyond banging on a hollowed out stump with a stick and then they came to America and were somehow not assimilated into the dominant, well established White culture and not assimilated purposely by the slave owners and emerged from the shackles of slavery to become musical masterminds who single handedly created every American musical genre and then abandon every single one of these genres. Sure, I believe you:rolleyes: It's because they latched onto our musical genres and then were shaken off, it became too complex for them. They were content with immitating Whitey but the Civil Rights movement came along and they began to despise everything they associated with Whitey this is why they began to abandon these musical genres. After the Civil Rights movement they stopped trying to immitate Whitey and began to get in touch with their non existant African heritage and started to revert to their primitive nature. They stopped trying to immitate Whitey and started acting Black again, aka Savage, primitive. Every since the Civil Rights movement the Blacks have become more and more primitive, savage, violent, etc...Notice that? It is because they don't want to act White anymore, they want to act Black, and despise everything that is White. I don't know many White people who listen to da Fonk, I dunno about all of that Cochise. Is there such a thing as a modern club that plays all Funk music???Where can I find it, I like me some Rick James tunes HAHAHAHA. Some Cameo, Ohio Players and Gap Band... mwahaha.:rofl This is because acting White is not cool anymore, they want to act Black and acting Black means acting primitive, savage, aggressive, unrefined. The Civil Rights movement has caused them to revert to their primitive nature. It's true. The truth is called hate by those who hate the truth. Truth is not racism.  No, but neither would be possible at all without White influences. There is nothing that sounds remotely similar to Funk in Africa is there, and we must remember that whenever a Black person sings it's called Soul. Soul music is just Black singing. Loud, aggressive, rowdy, negro hollerin' n' shoutin' = Soul. This is because they no longer want to immitate Whitey, they want to be Black aka Primitive, unrefined, aggressive, savage. They want nothing to do with any Jazz or Blues or Funk music because it has too much White influence. They want BOOM BOOM BOOM, ni##a ni##a ni##a, jungle primitive noise now.  I like alot of Jazz, mostly the White musicians, but some Blacks too. I listen to Smooth Jazz, West Coast &amp; Cool Jazz, Dixieland, Latin Jazz and Acid Jazz. I hate Black Blues music, can't stand it at all. I like the original Blues, the Country-Blues from Jimmie Rodgers and such. I like Rock-Blues like Stevie Ray Vaughn and the sort, and some Blues influenced Rock songs, but there isn't one single Black Blues singer that I listen to, nope, can't stand it. Well...okay Elmore James and..maybe a couple others but in general I hate the Black Blues. Old Black man with a geetar sayin' he got da blues o lawd, got da blooz oh lawd etc... Not my style. Oh to the contrary, I always give credit where credit is due. Which is why I HATE to see Blacks get credit for White Jazz music, and the Blues which comes from Country and has every bit as much White influence as Black, actually more. Definately more White, especially in the beginning since Blues and Country was the same thing. Oh and no I don't hate all Black people, but yes the Black race is definately inferior to the White race in almost every way I can think of, it's not racist to say that it's only honesty, truth is not racist, oh wait the truth is called hate by those who hate the truth. Just look around a bit, the current state of the Black race and all of history shows us quite clearly that they are an inferior race, stop trying to pretend that it isn't true. Stop living in denial. But just because the race as a whole is inferior to the White race is no reason to hate them all, they're not all bad, and there are some great Black singers and musicians, but they haven't created Jazz, etc... It is one of the Blackest art forms even though it is played with White instruments, utilizing Western aka White musical theory, spawned from White influences such as Marching Band, Classical, Cajun and French and Spanish ethnic music which was ever present in 19th and early 20th century New Orleans...It is one of the Blackest art forms even though the first Jazz band was all White, first band to call themselves a Jazz band was all White, first band to record Jazz and popularize it around the US and Europe was all White, first people to call the music Jazz were White, the terminology is White slang etc...Yup, sure is one of the Blackest art forms I can think of!:rolleyes: There are plenty of people who take me seriously and agree with me, in fact I used to think Jazz was started by Blacks too until an acquaintance of mine from Chicago who plays Jazz sax told me the real, un PC, un revisionist history and origins of Jazz music. There are alot of White people who agree with me. The negro movement is over. No they didn't. People used to know Jazz was White, it is only relatiely recent that this lie/myth/misconception of it being Black music has been perpetuated by the mainstream. People used to know better. And the same thing with Rock and the Blues. This is all modern revisionism. It isn't complicated, it's loud, annoying, frantic, completely improvised because they can't compose music, etc... It definately is the Blackest sub genre of the White musical style Jazz that's for sure. Has all of the trademarks of the Black nature, loud, aggressive, annoying, unrefined etc...:D Bop was definately a Black spawned SUB genre of Jazz. But all of the originators of Bop weren't Black though, and coincidentally..I can't stand Bop. The only Bop musician I like is Charlie Parker, the originator, the rest suck. Bop is loud, annoying, frantic, aggressive music that makes my head spin and I can't stand it. Figures that it would be a mainly Black originated sub genre.  No, Miles Davis didn't start Cool Jazz, and Miles Davis got that cool sound from Bill Evans anyhow. He even said so himself. Cool Jazz and it's predecessor West Coast Jazz were White originated sub genres of a White genre, Jazz. Alot of Blacks wouldn't even play West Coast/Cool jazz because they thought it was too White. In other words, structured, refined, smooth, and sophisticated, as opposed to Black Bop which was unstructured, completely spontaneous, rowdy, frantic, aggressive, loud and IMO annoying and nauseau inducing. Other than Bird Parker.Miles Davis's sound was influenced by Bill Evans, he said so himself. Especially his best album, Kind of Blue. Evans was a big impact on Miles Davis, on Cool Jazz and on all Jazz. It wasn't dominated by Black musicians. There has always been just as many White Jazz musicans as Black from day one. The Jewish controlled music industry and media likes to promote Blacks over Whites in Jazz and anything else. But today they are having a very hard time finding Black Jazz musicians to promote. I wonder why... He didn't play in a Black genre. Liar. All I'm hearing is excuses like always. Blame Whitey. Yeah yeah. Armstrong wasn't an innovator, what was so original about him? Anything? Nothing. He copied his singing style from Sicilian/Italian Jazz musicians in New Orleans, and just played as loud, aggressive and fast as he possibly could, typical negro style, loud, aggressive, unrefined, rowdy etc.... The rich Jewish Karnofsky family of N.O. bought him his first horn and basically adopted him. As a symbol of his gratitude for this he wore a Star of DAVID pendant for the rest of his life. They used their wealth and Jewish connections to get him into showbiz, to get him hyped up in the media. Without the Karnofskys Armstrong would've died unknown, and been buried in an unmarked grave in the Black slums of New Orleans just like Buddy Bolden. No one outside of the Black Jazz circle in New Orleans would've ever heard of him. Also, the White Jazz player Emmett Hardy was well known to have outplayed Armstrong in cutting contests. Before he died at a very young age, I think he was 22. It's White because the first Jazz band was White, and all of the musical theory and influences are White aka Western. But as for the instruments, those White instruments didn't just fall out into those Black's laps out of the sky and learn to play themselves with no outside aka White influnce now did they? They got these instruments from Whites, leanred to play them from Whites, were influenced by White genres like Marching Band, Classical, Cajun and French and Spanish styles which were ever present in New Orleans in those days. They weren't playing anything like Jazz in Africaland 300 years ago. But Europeans were playing music that sounds remarkably similar to some Jazz hundreds of years ago, like some Classical, Marching Band, French Quadrilles etc..... But the first Jazz band was White anyhow and if you don't want to believe then that's fine, go on thinking that worthless, woman beating pimp Buddy Bolden started Jazz even though it's not true, makes no difference to me this is getting Tedious. It's not hard to tell. You're either A.) Jewish B.) Black or C.) a neo liberal aka Social Marxist. No doubt about it.  Has anything I said been false? Did the RDSB not exist? Was the first Jazz band to record and popularize Jazz around the world not all White as well? Was the first Jazz band to call themselves a Jass band not all White? Was it not White people who gave this music it's name? Is Jazz not played with White instruments, utilizing Western musical theory? Same thing with Blues. Did Blues not begin as Country? Did Jimmie Rodgers not exist? Was he not one of the originators of the genre that would become known as the Blues? Did he not have a huge impact on Blues and on Black Blues singers like Howlin' Wolf and Muddy Waters? Does he not have a marker on the Blues Trail because of his impact, importance and influence on the development of Blues music? Was Blues and Country not the same thing in the beginning? Was the founder of the Delta Blues not a mulatto named Charley Patton and not a real Black man? Was the first Blues song not published by a White man named Hart Wand from Oklahoma? I mean what exactly is it I've said that is so ludicrous and false? Nothing. Everything I've said is true and you know it and are in denial because it does not jibe with your Social Marxist, revisionist version of history that has been created and perpetuated by anti White liberals to boost the fragile egos of the Blacks in America, steal White accomplishments and history, and try to prove that the Black race can be creative. Most kind. PS - It is THE Patriot :cool: