So Turks magically transformed into Caucasians during migration from their Altaic urheimat? Nonsense, there's a reason why the overwhelming majority of Turkic peoples is clearly Mongoloid. The Turks of Turkey are just a bunch of mongrels, thieved together by . You're like the Borg. I tell that Turks were at the very beginning, Caucasion or Mongoloid, and rather mixture with opposite.  I was discussing with a Mongolian guy a few days ago on another board, he told me that very  Who told you that overwhelming Turkic people are Mongol? Kazakhs and Kirghiz have mixed, due to Gengish Khan Mongol Invasion, with the numberous Mongolians having immigrated to their country. So, they're about 40 to 50% yellow (but more than half Caucasian).  Otherwise, Turkmenistan folks, Özbekistan folks and Uyghurs in China all are overwhelmingly Caucasian.    In Turkey, we've less Mongoloid blood than: Armenians, Iranians, Russians, Finns, Ukrainians, Norwegians-Swedes (sami people mixed with them), Lithuanians, Icelanders etc... Sometimes these people have 10 time more Mongoloid than us, till a point to be mulatto LOL.    In Turkey, there is less Black blood than: Syrians (or all Arabs in general), Greeks (important Ethiopia influx), Balkan folsk, Italians, Spaniards (of course Portuguese too), etc... Turks have enslaved European and Shemite people and not Negroe people, that's why.    There are Arabid blood in Turkey (in Kurds particularly, and few in Southern Turks); and about 3-4% Gypsy blood belonging (Hindu-Darvid);   But these are also present in folks of Europe at considerable amount.  So, when you work out the total of Caucasioon; Turks are more Caucasian than many Europeans as well.    /////////////  And about Devsierme, that's not to talk so much about, here the figure of Devsirme:  year - nr of Janisseries  1400 - 1000  1514 - 10156  1523 -12000  1526 - 7885  etc...and then, Turkish orphan kids were added to the band too.  that reached the pic in 1660 (with mostly Turks) with about 54000   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary    As you can see, they were few. Some of them were Christian (so, the Orthodox Serb Janissery, after he retired, he went back to his homeland -which belonged to us- to breed with local serb people). But the problem has been that some Slavics and Albos who islamized went to set up Turkey ... That started in 16th century... today you still have some Bosnian muslims who go and set up turkey.  so, in us, the blood of the kids we've taken forcively to the people of Europe is few; yet, we do carry the blood of antique Anatolians:  Lydians, Troyans, Hittites, Galatians etc...    And NEVER tell me that the native Anatolians were Greeks or worse, Armenians (Armenians are semite); that's a lie. Byzantines had been hellinized, than they've hellinized these Antic Anatolians.. so that doesn't mean these people were Greks.  A proof?   http://www.physorg.com/news101272605.html  hereup you've an Italian study proving that there is a genetic tie between Etruscan people and modern-day Anatolian Turks; and modern Greeks have nothing to do with it. So, by that way, there's also gentic tie between Turks with Tuscan people (that's a place in italy where people are descendent of Etruscs) That says enough, becose modern Greeks whom are white according to your standards differ from other Meditteranean people.        The correlation between languages and genes: the Usko-Mediterranean peoples   Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, , a, Jorge Marti ez-Lasoa and Jorge Alonso-Garciáa  a Department of Immunology and Molecular Biology, H. 12 de Octubre, Universidad Complutense, 28041, Madrid, Spain (A.A-V., J.M.L); Fundacio de estudios gene icos y linguï ticos, Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain   Abstract The usko-Mediterraneans peoples are defined as ancient and present day populations that have lived in the Mediterranean/Middle-East/Caucasus area and have spoken a Basque related language. The present day existing populations show an HLA genetic relatedness which is more or less close according to geographical distance. The Greek sample is an outlying in all genetic analyses, because Greeks have a significant genetic input from sub-Saharan Ethiopians and Blacks. This probably occurred in Pharaonic times. Present day comparisons between genes and languages show a lack of correlation: Macedonian, Palestinians, Kurds, part of Berbers, Armenians, and Turks belong to the old Mediterranean substratum, but they do not speak a language included in the old Mediterranean Dene-Caucasian group. This is due to an elite-imposed culture and language.   Greeks are genetically related to sub-Saharans  Turks HLA profile reflects that of ancient Anatolia; Fig. 4 [46]   Genetics say all.    ////////////////   Turks aren't white. They are an alien race in Europe and Anatolia as far as I'm concerned. Turks are a racial polyglot. They are not a racially homogeneous society. For the most part they're darkees with few vestiges of whites.  :)  LOL, are we Mongol or Black, or hindu then ?  Neither one.    Turkey is one of the countries in which the % of Caucasians is at its highest level.  Some Turks are tanned, but these people all the time differ from naturally dark people.  That's not only Turks' case; look in Europe there are ethnic Europeans whom are as tanned as swarthy people; exemple the Austrian far-right guy who died: jOrg Haider. The Belgian far right leader Franck Vanhecke is tanned too.  But these people (just like Turks do) differ, when you look at their facial features, from natural Swarty people.  The French far right leader Bruno Megret looks even an Arabic.    Turks have darker skin complexion than north Europeans (some Turks are amazingly light though); but the Northern Europeans in question are more than white, they're pink.   All Turks, if they're set aside from a sunny space they are pale too. I've seen some of the Turkish immigrant kids in Norway, they were living in cold all the time... and they were pale as snow. Just their faces didn't look the same as native people, so distinguishable.  If you visit Turkey (probably you've not) you'd realize that most Turks are pale. I don't want to play with photo's.    Beside that, there are kurdish people whom are quite dark in southeastern Turkey, they're somehow darkies but they're Caucasionx too (in fact they're mostly semit). Do you know why? Because in USA, Christian and very dark people from Egypt (Coptes- Arabic tongue, if not mistaken) are considered to be White too.    Turks are biologically native to Anatolia, the closest to Antique Anatolians.  Turkish Nation is one of the few Nations having played key role in History.    map showing the Turkish Immigrations so far (following militar advance):    http://apu.mabul.org/up/apu/2008/11/...95855ilefo.jpg      You American guys, you're looking for a new identity here; by calling white Ameirican to you. Just like some Pro-EU people try to impose an European identity.   Don't be afraid; even the blond Turks in USA and Canada call Turkish-American or Turkish-Canadian to them.  We're Turk above all. And Turks are Sunni Muslim people as religious matters go, even if most of us aren't so believers, an identity is an identity. ;)