[quote=Tritone;6080188],     and that I was a moron to dismiss out of hand.     I concur.:D     Anyhow, I wanted to ask a question, in the spirit of seeking to understand before I argue.    Fire away.      Something that I heard (read) a lot when I posted here before was 'America for Americans'. I think that, although that's not a sentiment that I would sign up to whole-heartedly, it's a perfectly reasonable manifesto.    Of course it is. Who else should America belong to but the Americans?? Who else should China belong to but the Chinese? Who else should Germany belong to but the Germans? Who else should Palestine belong to but the..Ashkenazi???:rolleyes: Okay wait, forget about that last one.    What I was curious about was whether the history of the USA poses any ideological problems for WNs re: 'America for Americans'? By that I mean the fact that the USA is essentially a nation founded by immigrants    White immigrants, and pioneers and colonialists are not immigrants, there was no country for them to immigrate to, they did not have to change their citizenship so they were not immigrants. There was no USA when the first pioneers and colonialists arrived, not until 1776. They built the place, they created it from a savage wilderness. The indians never did anything more than run around in loin cloths and war paint engaging in tribal warfare before the Europeans arrived and carved out a real nation.    and subsequently expanded by immigrants.    White immigrants from Europe.     Whatever else North America is or isn't, it clearly isn't historically a white 'homeland'    The USA was always intended to be for White Europeans only. It specifically stated in every single naturalization and immigration act up until after the Civil War that only free WHITE men of good moral standing were eligible for American citizenship. No indentured servants, slaves or non-Whites of any kind. America was intended to be the new Europe. America was still a good 90% White as recently as the 1950s and early 1960s. Heck, 100 years ago even Mexico was still about 50% White, now it's more like 8-10%. Now we're lucky if America is even 60% White, the non-Whites are the majority in most major cities and in some states.     my question is; when a WN says that America should be solely for Americans (and I know that not all would say that), how does he or she reconcile that with the fact that any 'American' (other than a native American) is a product of comparatively recent immigration,    The original pioneers and colonialists who arrived before 1776 were not immigrants. America was founded by White Europeans for White Europeans, see above.     and most likely the mixing of different ethnicities to at least some degree?    Different White European ethnicities, not different races.     Does this undermine the principle of 'America for Americans' to any extent?     Not to me.