As I said in a previous post and in the other rap music thread, I believe that there is some good rap out there. Not this MTV bull that is all over the place, but true hip-hop. Here is an example from a rap song that is by a white guy (not a dumb wigger, but not a WN, just a regular ol' white guy) and is not about that stupid check out my ice or I'm going to pimp hoes now.    We burn up the nicest, virgin sacrifices,  murder any righteous, servant of the light with  curses recited in verses that we write with  the very spear that pierced the side of Christ's ribs    We harvest the organs of martyrs we slaughter,  bargain with souls, on the darkest of waters,  travel the sea-floor, sea-shore to sea-shore,  feeding on sting-rays, speeding on sea-horse,    before, recorded, prehistoric man lived  we survived in the warm core of the planet  hornets, swarming, living with drones  we developed rhythms in the epicenter of the globe    wizards dressed in robes, testing tones  and ingesting the bones and the flesh of those  who would step with chrome, death was slow  we ditched the extra load on infested roads    cadavers, lined the path up to our hide-out  rappers died before they even got a rhyme out  find out - mercy's denied for our rivals  till the day we die, the Monsters are wild      To me, this is amazing. I love stuff like this. As far as commercialized rap goes, yes it is all crap, but when it comes to stuff like the sample that I posted above, what it really is is a matter of taste. You can choose to like the music style or dislike it, but you can't deny that he is talented in the way that he puts together words.