I agree Pointing out blacks that have succeeded in white countries doesn't accomplish much. Without preferential treatment, affirmative action, sweetheart loan deals and guarantees I doubt you would hear so many success stories.    What I fail to see is a black society, completely ruled and managed by blacks accomplishing anything worthy of praise. There may be a few superstars but as a race blacks seem incapable of centralized management (without cronyism or corruption) of an economy or anything remotely resembling the rule of law.