  ...Like who?   -Indians, some South East Asian tribe, maybe the Chinese came to learn, there could have also been trade, million and one possible explanations, don’t be so closed minded, and rub everything off.        Still no evidence. Bronze working is very old in China   -No evidence…..Aryans started Metallurgy in 3,500 BC in Anatolia, 200 years after that Bronze working appeared in the Indus Valley, 200 years after that in China…We see a natural drift to the East, arriving at each civilization more or less 200 years after each other….Why do you keep rubbing this off as just a coincidence?        Indo-europeans didn't even come near ancient China until around 2,000 BC, which was when China's Bronze Age came about.   -Says? …. How do you know there where not small groups of traders or w/e going there? Aryans are known to be explores are world travelers, where do you think it comes from, are ancestors where doing it for a very long time.       Funny, since bronze working in China began around 3,000 BC, which was shortly after the Indus Valley Civilization formed.   -I have 3,300 BC for Indus Valley civilization; Chinese started working with Bronze around 3,100 BC, and Chinese Bronze age around 2,100 BC, 200 year gap buddy.        And no, Aryans didn't arrive in the area until around 1,500 BC. Not to mention that early chinese civilization was extremely far away from the IV civilization.   -NO, Tocharian’s just arrived in the Tarim Basin around 1,800 BC, doesn’t mean that other Europeans where not walking around.  -Whites in China and Central Asia, where a lot closer to the Chinese, then they where to there kin in Anatolia, or Spain.       What are you talking about? Who do you think has been behind the most environmental degredation for the past couple of centuries?   -Who is doing the most to fix it? …. And I never said there was not environmental destruction going on… I just said None-White civilization usually collapse from it, I cannot think of one single White Civilization that has, can you? ….     --And Frankly this is all Liberal Minded Whites fault, if the Nazis had one WWII or if we had Power, well we would not be in this situation, because we care extremely about the environment, Blood and Soil ;)...Hippies and that dont really care about the environment, we cared about the environment before it was popular to do so.    -Also well where on this topic, I say it’s a good back up plan if we cannot take are nations, at least every body comes down with us….If Whites go down where taking the world and everybody on it with us.       You're not. It's your statements like whites invented 90% of everything that I'm talking about.   -I am just stating the Truth, just because Liberals and None-Whites cannot accept it, doesn’t mean it not true.        Also, the wheel has few uses for pre-modern societies.   -…I can say the same thing about Chinese inventions like Paper, and the Compass.       Then why be worse than them?   -Not being worse, just countering there arguments…       Such as?   -None-Whites cannot advance far, look the Bronze Age was a major development that took humanity further, like the Industrial Age, all great Ages and advancement of humanity, is directly do to Whites.        Europeans have leap frogged over everyone else since the late middle ages. Though before then, it was quite a different story.   -Before then it was a quite a different story too, So you have Whites advance first, None-Whites catch up, None-Whites advance a little, Whites do another giant improvement.       You think pretty lowly of your fellow human ebings, don't you?   -I would not think of them at all, if there where not invading my land, and endangering my people survival….   -Its not like most of them think the same way about there races, I just add facts to why I think mine is a lot better lol.       These things are just personal preferences. Uh, there's ethnic groups with higher levels of phonotypical diversity than whites.   -W/E….You can lie to your self all you want, but its better to be White, then any other Race, I thank the Gods every day I am lucky enough to be one.       No, that's basic history. Persians have had a rather intimate role with China at various periods.   -I meant your lying that they are not White, I don’t know how many times I have argued with people that they are…..       Look up some genetic studies. Persians are similar, though rather distinct fomr Whites.   -I have….They are not, w/e tests are done that show distance, is not done on really Persians, its done on Turks/Half-breeds and such, of course those are “similar” but different, its just how somebody who is Eurasian is “similar” but “different”…Get my drift.       This is such an exxageration, findings from the Tocharian sites, while somewhat controversial, are reported without problem in the Chinese media. None of this is new to them, really.   -No its not an exaggeration, the Chinese are super-ultra nationalists, how do you really think they would react?  -…….What is your race? Are you in China? How do you now what goes on in the Chinese Media?    -Buddy you might as well give up, IJ and Luzia, have giving up… Surrender, I never loose...:p...