  Well then tell that Chinaman to put a sock in it; he's messing things up. Lol.   -lol…I’ll try.        Well, for starters, the Chinese had hydraulic-powered mills (i.e. by power of waterwheels) since about the 1st century BC/1st century AD (the exact time frame that they appeared in the Roman Empire), but the Chinese borrowed the idea of the windmill from the Islamic world by the 13th century. Before Europeans first arrived in China during the 16th century, the Archimedes Screw was unknown to the Chinese.   -Very nice, anything other then that you would like to add?   -Would be interesting to learn more about are early influence on them, cause I am so sick of hearing there influence on us.   -Its insulting, they think we would have never been able to get anywhere if it wasn’t for them.        The Chinese still call China Zhongguo, or Middle Kingdom/Middle Country.   -……Talk about self – centered….       That's an interesting question, I've never read of the exact ratio of comparison between the two.   -Exactly, I have no idea either; but I am sure Saltpetre for one is found in massive quantities in desert area’s (I don’t know if it’s only found there) but if it is, well no wonder Europe never invented it first.   -The Chinese Empire encompassed a lot of Desert in the West; European doesn’t really have a lot of desert to work with….   -There were many wars and conflicts over the stuff (War of the Pacific-Saltpetre War), until like the 19th century, some time before WW1, when they found out how to produce the stuff or better stuff synthetically….       True only to certain periods of China, when the country wasn't split in civil war between rivaling Chinese states.   -I am aware of that fact, but China still was never even half divided as Europe was, the closest Europe ever came to uniting was under the Roman Empire, and there where still many independent tribes and that running around….   -I wonder how much history would have been changed if Europe was united like China, having a common front against the Turks and Arabs, instead of fighting each other….        However, the Japanese are still able to write freely to Chinese people with Kanji (old Han-Character system).   -How many Japanese people even know the Kanji, I mean they have like 3 Alphabets Hiragana, Katakana, and the Kanji, do Japanese people use all three, learn all three?  -That would be extremely confusing having to learn three Alphabets, plus the Romanization of Japanese (rōmaji)……..   -Why don’t they just get 1 and stick with it….Thought they where spouss to be super-efficient Robots, that dosen’t sound efficient to me.        Hmm...I can think of one fairly impressive Korean example off the top of my head.   -Only 1 thing? …… That is all you can think of?, that’s not impressive, that is sad.   -Well China as added few things here and there, not surprising considering there population, but there are a lot of Chinese influenced countries, they have quite a big population to, and they have not added much if anything…   -Chinese civilization is not that good, and is way over-rated; Western Civilization is under-rated.        Back in the year 1021, the female Japanese author Murasaki Shikibu is credited with writing the first known novel ever.   -Novels? …. Extremely bore…..        Before borrowing technical applications from Europe, the Japanese mainly borrowed ideas from the Chinese, though.   -It was not just technical and science stuff, they appeared to have borrowed a lot of from White culture to….  -They would have borrowed that stuff from Whites if Whites where around there area to influence them, and Japan would have been a lot superior earlier.   -Western Civilization/Culture allows people to advance to there fullest and compete.       Like the Chinese, the Islamic world with Islamic science, Islamic mathematics, Islamic philosophy, and Islamic medicine sort of reached its peak during the 11th century.   -So you think Chinese civilization really peaked during the 11th century?   -Well then, Chinese civilization peaks…. well White-Western civilization goes and on and on to greater heights, each time out doing its self by a huge margin…Western Civilization seems to be more dynamic don’t you think?   -Always advancing, never stopping, even after major catastrophes, Whites constantly advance, and drag the rest of humanity with it, aren’t they lucky.        They're still convinced that they must fight a continual holy war against us until the whole world is either converted to Islam, subjugated by Islamic governments, or killed off for refusing to convert or be subjugated as dhimmi, forced into declining fringe groups within an Islamic-conquered world and forced to pay the harsh jizya tax to Muslim overlords for not being Muslim.   -Do you consider Muslims a threat to us? ……   -If you consider them a threat, do you also consider the Chinese a threat to us to; do you think we should actually deal with these threats?   -Instead of pushing them aside, thinking everything is going to be okay at the end of the day….  -I mean us White’s only equal between 8-16% of the worlds population, we are not reproducing fast enough, and are lands are being over-run be foreigners, in my country alone, some 25-40% of the people here weren’t even born here, we are being invaded, being a brown horde, my country was 95% White 40 Years ago, now its around 58%, in just under 40 years…...40 more years its just going to be a giant picture of Africa…. Only with snow….   -This is being repeated all over White Lands, from Russia to France, where in for a dark future….  -Whites are the light of this world; once they go….There will be no more light, only darkness.        Instead they simply borrowed technology when they saw the enormous benefit of it.   -Typical.       The ancient Near East prior to the invention of the chariot was non-white.   -The ancient Near East had huge amounts of White immigration, way before the chariot.  -Whites traveled to North America, you really think Whites where not in the Near East, especially places like Anatolia, which is adjacent to are ancient home land…The Black Sea/Southern Volga Area….You need to give your head a shake.        They resemble modern Iraqis more than anyone else.   -Modern Iraqi’s, ha.   -You really think that the people around Iraq today where really the same as the people of Iraq 5000 years ago…. Iraq’s are mostly Arabs, that have only really came to the area between 1000-2000 years ago, they where not there 5000 years ago.        Anatolia, North Africa, Elam   -All evidence says Anatolia was White, same with Persia; show me something that proves other wise.   -I am still waiting for these genetic tests that prove there not…    -If you go take a look at --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cavallisforzageneclusters.jpg  -They appear to forum a Gene Cluster with us….        Indus Valley Civilization isn't white and there's no reason to believe it was white when the Bronze Age began.   -I never said the Indus Valley Civilization was White, although we could have possible destroyed it…  -I said the Indus Valley Civilization most likely learnt Metallurgy from us, being so close to Anatolia, there is not reason to think they developed it on there own.       As I've said, before the spoked wheel chariot movement was slow, and you couldn't take over strong city states with solid-wheeled wagons alone, which makes a white ruling caste at such an early age extremely unlikely.   -You don’t know a lot ….Those walled city states are pretty useless if the country side is over run/populated by the Enemy, tell me how would they feed them self’s?   -That is the easiest way to take a city, control the country side, let the city starve.        Lower caste Northern Indians have more white DNA than higher caste Southern Indians, and non-Indic Jats and Pashtuns are even more white.   -Your point being?        I think the major source of white influx came from Scythian, Tocharian and White Hun nomadic invasions around the time of Christ rather than from far off ancient times.   -You think, you don’t know.        I am comparing the Romans and other non-Greek whites prior and during the Roman period with China prior and during the Roman period.   -So other the Paper (The precursor to gunpowder doesn’t count), what did they invent?    -Romans might not have invented a lot during this age, but they sure did build a lot…The Ancient City of Rome, is more impressive then all of China put together.        Han Dynasty, the most important ones, and Europeans at the time came nowhere close to inventing them.   -So What? Around this time Europeans could have potentially started an early Industrial Revolution, if Hero of Alexandria had found a use for his inventions, where the Chinese any where near harnessing the power of steam….  -What about discovering probably the most used building material in the World, Concrete; where were the Chinese with that.   -The above ground Arch….       You would've expected them to, if they are significantly more creative and less 'robotic'.   -They done plenty, sure not a great at Science overall, but Science is a bore anyway.        During the medieval period, many pieces of technology appeared in Europe that appeared first during the Han Dynasty or earlier in China. Some of it was no doubt down to independent invention, like the wheelbarrow and windmills, but there were too many instances for it to be ruled out as coincidence, because the Silk Road was very busy at the time.   -The Chinese never invited the windmill.   -What makes you believe that stuff like the wheelbarrow would be transferred anyway, Europeans where looking for Spices and Silk, not Ideas, to help improve the lives of the common folk.   -Funny you think Europeans never invented this stuff independently because it was after China, but you think the Chinese invented Metallurgy and that after Whites…independently.:rolleyes:       I'm not going to accept that a Chinese person won Australia's 1st fields medal.   -So that is what you have been whining about…  -BIG DEAL…Who the hell knows about the Fields Medals?        You are juvenile, vulgar, petty and ignorant.   -Just because I don’t agree with your opinion on things….       I know you'll fail to understand what I write and insult people when they correct your mistakes, of which there are many.   -You’re the one that is constantly insulting me….I don’t ever remember having insulted you once.       On forums, it's only common courtesy to the read the damn thread before you reply.   -….Why do you keep insisting I am not reading anything over, I am, I read over it plenty of times, to best figure out how to attack your arguments.        You can't write everything as a bulleted list.   -I can’t…. can’t I.   -Watch me.        I didn't even do this in Middle School.   -Who dose?   -Dose this look like Middle School?       Why did ancient non-Greek whites not invent as much as ancient China during the same period?   -Well I said Persia invented a lot during this time, but you seem to think Persia was not White then….   -Other then that, I don’t know a lot about science during this time period….Everything is not about science.   -The Military Might and Organization of Rome was more impressive then China….  -Also now that I think about it, China was more united had large population, we where constantly killing each other, had smaller more divided population.        Did an Anglo-Saxon Australian win the country's first Fields Medal?   -It appears not, your point being?  -Was it a China man that first left this planet?        I am 19 years old. I sincerely hope you're younger than that.   -….Same age … Tell me are you in College?        The only first world countries not financed by massive oil reserves are white and NE Asian nations, so again, I don't think this is a coincidence; I fear it may be because of a higher frequency of intelligent people among Europeans and NE Asians.   -How many first world North East Asian nations are there 2-3……  -These nations are only first world, because we trade with them, and are treacherous Elite constantly sells us out….Asian nations would not be a lot if Whites where not around.  -The intelligence of NE Asians is totally over-rated, there only good at absorbing the Knowledge, and not really putting it into practice…..