 Please, musicologist if you wish to discuss music any further, start a new thread, because this thread is meant to be about Rap, and I don't want to hijack it. But I feel obligated to respond to your slanderous Rock is Black lies so I had to post this.   Definately NOT.:rolleyes:Here we go again... Rock Around the Clock WAS the first officially recognized Rock N' Roll song and it WAS the song that was solely responsible for sparking the Rock N' Roll fad/craze that swept mid-late 1950s America. This is true. But I consider Hank Williams' Move It On Over to be the first Rock N' Roll song.   Yes, and Hank Williams. First of all the playing style known as boogie or boogie woogie is White and not Black if that is what you are implying, it came out of the Honky Tonks and logging camps of the south, WHITE people. Not Black.  You don't know what you're talking about, that wasn't Rock N' Roll that those aforementioned negros were playing it was Black R&amp;B/Soul music. And what is Soul? Soul is a nicer way of saying loud, rowdy, primitive, non melodic, rhythm and bass driven negro hollerin' and shoutin':D People are confusing Black R&amp;B with White Rock N' Roll. Those guys like Little Richard, Ike Turner and the Isley Brothers and so on got lumped in with Rock N' Roll sometimes just because they were popular at the same time but they weren't Rock N' Roll, they were Black R&amp;B/Soul and remember what 'Soul means:D Rock N' Roll was Bill Haley, Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis Presley, etc... there is a very noticeable distinction between White Rock N' Roll and Black so called Rock N' Roll which was not Rock n' Roll at all but rather R&amp;B but is sometimes incorrectly classified as Rock N' Roll.  Most of those Black Rock N' Roll stars were actually Black R&amp;B/Soul stars who got lumped into the wrong category. Aside from Chuck Berry he is the exception. Did you know Chuck Berry used to be nicknamed the Black Hillbilly? It is because he was a big fan of Country music and it had a big influence on him. He used to play alot of Country and so called Hillbilly music. You can really hear the influence on songs like Johnny B. Goode.  Berry wrote, Curiosity provoked me to lay a lot of our country stuff on our predominantly black audience and some of our black audience began whispering 'who is that black hillbilly at the Cosmo?' After they laughed at me a few times they began requesting the hillbilly stuff and enjoyed dancing to it.  He and  became friends. Perkins said that I knew when I first heard Chuck that he'd been affected by country music. I respected his writing; his records were very, very great. As they toured, Perkins discovered that Berry not only liked country music, but knew about as many songs, and  was one of his favorites. Chuck knew every Blue Yodel, and most of 's songs as well. Perkins remembered, He told me about how he was raised very poor, very tough. He had a hard life. He was a good guy. I really liked him.   Ok, now you can't even spell DESCRIPTION correctly, just pointing that out. No one takes a musicologist who can't even spell correctly very seriously. :D What you're talking about here is a term, what's in a name? I could name my son Ching Jing Jong Wong and he wouldn't be Chinese, he'd still be a White boy:D Says who&gt;? You've got nothing new man, some old slanderous every music is Black lies we always hear. No one knows for sure where the term Rock and Roll started actually. But the term was in use before the music came about. Check out this song which was a precursor to Rock n' Roll by Hank Williams, it's called Rockin' Chair Money and pay attention to the lyrics now and we'll rock baby rock, yeah rock on down the line, I love to rock. ;) No, can you not hear the similarity between Move It On Over by Hank Williams from 1947 and Rock Around the Clock?? Rock Around the Clock ripped off the melody. Any moron can hear it plain as day. 1947 was before 1951 right?;) Ike Turner didn't play Rock N' Roll he played R&amp;B!  Haley isn't my man I think they suck. I don't even like Rock N' Roll which was a teenage, immature fad in the 1950s, I don't listen to it. Some of the songs are okay but it's not my tastes. I do like Rock, but Rock N' Roll is just a particular genre of Rock. By the 60s Rock n' Roll gave way to more complex and mature styles and it just became Rock, and coincidentally all of da Black people disappeared from it. :D By the late 60s Hendrix was all alone as the only Black(and Cherokee) guy in Rock music, his Black friends used to harass him and get mad for playing White music and selling out to Whitey. Those early Black Rock n' Rollers weren't Rock N' Rollers at all they played R&amp;B. Do you get it yet? Rock comes from COUNTRY. Just like the Blues!  Liar. Even Hank Williams huh? :rolleyes: Go away shi# for brains. Just another wanna be musicologist who doesn't know what he's talking about. What Black music culture? You want Black music go to Africa, all African American music is Blacks immitating Whites and making it louder, ruder, cruder, and more primitive and annoying sounding. Twelve Bar Blues is not a black thang homeboy. The first songs to use the 12 bar blues pattern were Country songs, and the musical genre now known as Blues comes from Country music! But you know that right. No, you have it the wrong way around.  . Rock N' Roll which was the first original genre of what is now simply Rock, was never Black music. For those who Think that it was because they Think or they've been told that it comes from the Blues which many people perceive as being Black music, and from R&amp;B...you're wrong. Rock N' Roll music was direct descendant of Country music more than anything, and also old time/hillbilly music.   Some people have the common misconception that Elvis Presley was the first Rock N' Roll musician but this is not the case at all. Elvis Presley was simply the first Rock/Rock N' Roll super star. Elvis Presley did not release his first album until 1957, the first official Rock N' Roll single was Rock Around the Clock by Bill Haley and The Comets and that is the song that is credited with popularizing Rock N' Roll music around America. That song is what began the Rock N' Roll craze/fad of the mid-late 1950s. The song was recorded and released in 1954, three years before Elvis Presley cut his first album. Also, many people have the misconception that Elvis Presley was influenced by the Black Blues and R&amp;B, that may be, but not hardly as much as he was influenced by Country music and hillbilly music. All of his earliest musical education was in Country and Gospel styles. It was not until later life when he was a teenager that he began hanging around Black Blues clubs down on Beale Street in his hometown of Memphis, TN. So Elvis Presley may have had a minor influence from Black Blues and R&amp;B players, but mostly Country. To this day Elvis's music often gets played on Country stations just as much as Rock stations. Also, remember that Elvis Presley did not invent, create or originate the music known as Rock N' Roll which was popular during the mid-late 1950s America, which would later become a bit more refined and much more complex and become simply Rock music. Rock is not Rock N' Roll, Rock N' Roll was the first genre of Rock music but it was just a 1950s American fad/craze which opened the way for more complex forms of Rock music that bear very little or no resemblance to the first Rock N' Roll music.  Here is the first Rock single, the song that kicked off the Rock N' Roll craze in mid-late 1950s America. Now, the melody of this song is very similar to the melody of Move It On Over by the Country singer/song writer Hank Williams from 1947, years before anyone had heard of Rock N' Roll. As far as I'm concerned, Hank Williams' Move It On Over was the first Rock song, he was the King of Country and Godfather of Rock N' Roll and no one will ever be able to convince me otherwise. Remember musicologist those so called Black rock n' roll stars were actually Black R&amp;B/Soul stars, and you remember what the word Soul in a musical context is codeword for right?;) Soul music = loud, rowdy, crude, primitive, non melodic, rhythm and bass driven negroized hollerin' and shoutin'. The real first Rock N' Roll song from 1947 (Move It On Over - Hank Williams) [youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=oFkEyvhkqpc[/youtube] The song that ripped off Move It On Over's melody. The first officially recognized Rock N' Roll single, which was solely responsible for sparking the Rock N' Roll fad/craze in mid-late 1950s America. (Rock Around the Clock). [youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Kes6jahveVg[/youtube] Another precursor to Rock N' Roll ( Rockin' Chair Money - Hank Williams) Now notice the lyrics, he keeps saying he loves to Rock doesn't he? And he's going to Rock on down the line;) Keep in mind this song was written before the term Rock N' Roll was applied to music.  [youtube]http://youtube.com/watch?v=zZeDVUuRhrw[/youtube] 