Indeed around the Detroit area it is, but in northern Michigan it is very nice. As for being the s---hole of the north I would have to disagree. Touche. I'm going to have a bone to pick with anyone who calls my homestate(and yours if I remember) the shi*hole of the North. I wonder if they've ever even been here? Of course the economy is the shi##iest of the shi##y, but it hasn't always been that way and it won't be like that forever. For anyone who has never been to Michigan, if you think the whole place is like Detroit... boy are you in for a surprise. Once you get out of the inner city in the more industrialized cities like Detroit, Pontiac, Flint, Saginaw and Benton Harbor you would perhaps be surprised to know that the second you leave those inner city slums Michigan is actually a very White state. Most of the non-Whites stay down in their ghettoes for the most part and once you're out in the suburbs and the countryside non-Whites, especially Blacks, become a very rare sight. I live only about 20 minutes outside of Flint, MI and an hour from Detroit and to see a non-White of any kind is pretty rare around these parts, if you do see one they're usually just passing through, they just don't like to come out here:D The Klan and other pro-White groups have quite a strong presence around these parts, and always have. We also still have all the good ol' pro-White Michigan Militia guys hanging around, I seem to have heard alot them have went underground as Lone Wolf types.:)      Now in Northern Michigan, the only non-Whites you're going to see is an occasional Chippewa Indian. It's still a wilderness up there. Outside of the inner city ghettoes in places like Detroit, Flint, Saginaw and Pontiac, Michigan is well to do suburbs, and beautiful countryside full of small Midwestern towns, farms, forest and lakes with hardly a non-White of any variety in sight. Bloomfield Hills, MI is one of the richest cities in America right in the same league with Beverly Hills and Palm Beach. There are huge mansions all over the place out in the Detroit suburbs. The population of Michigan is still a good 80-85% White and the non-Whites usually stay in the inner city aka the zoo!:p. I could think of much worse places. I'm only within an hour's drive from downtown Detroit and 20 minutes from downtown Flint and Saginaw, the absolute worst ghettoes in Michigan and in the whole of America and out here it's just friendly and safe, virtually crime free small towns, farms and woods. There are only 3 Black families to my knowledge in this whole township(they are actually pretty decent folks too) and I know practically everyone and everything that goes on around here, my associates and I have ourselves a nice little intelligence network going on;) I've only been living in my current location for a little over a year and can't recall having seen a single Mestizo! Not one! :clink As for Orientals, Hell I could almost count the number of Orientals I've seen in Michigan on my fingers, most of them if you do see one are just tourists and not residents. Or college students at the University of Michigan or Michigan State.  So stop talking crap about us!! The Wolverine State kicks ass! :D    PS- Michigan also has the most public golf courses of any state, and the most registered snowmobiles and boats. Cool huh? There's some useless trivia for you, ha.