(1) In ancient Germany around 500 AD, Honour Culture dictated that if you got pushed around, you'd always get pushed around, and that a dishonoured man who couldn't take vengeance wasn't a man in the eyes of society*. Without honour, you're not a man at law in the eyes of Society.* History Channel Barbarians II (DVD)(2) You can't have honour if you don't have Honour Culture. (If you don't live in an Honour Culture, then you do live in a de facto Shame Culture -- and you're mired in shame.)  (3) As nobody heeds Zell Miller, there's no Honour Culture in America.  CONCLUSION:There's no Honour Culture in America Without Honour Culture, nobody has Honour Without Honour, nobody is a man in Society's eyes There are no Men in America. You're not a man, unless you're a Man of Honour, and there's no Honour in America, er go, there are no men in America. Where are you from?? San Francisco? You should really get out more, because around here men are still MEN. You needed the history channel to tell you being a man is about honor and not taking any shi*?, I've always been raised that way myself. If anybody messes with me or mine they might just disappear. Coincidentally, nobody ever gives me any trouble! :cool: Everybody loves me!:D There are still plenty of American Men who adhere to the code, that's always the way I was brought up. Omerta is in my blood.