The first sentence of your post is true. Women do want men. The rest of it I take sharp issue with. The idea that women want brutal men in their lives is a myth started by self-described 'nice guys' who can't get the dates they feel they are entitled to.  Girls who sleep with the types of men you describe in your second paragraph- (no job/unfaithful/treat them mean...) have low self-esteem and are likely to have a lot of problems. Sleeping with tons of girls like this, no matter how 'hot' they are is not a standard of success anywhere but in the daydreams of 12 year old boys.  The idea that men are a more reliable source of information about what women want than we are is insulting. There are many different kinds of women- just as there are many different kinds of men. Women are individuals not a monolithic group. We are more than capable of saying what we want/don't want in a relationship. Near the top of my 'avoid' list are men that are currently suicidal, are students of 'game,' or who think women are basically stupid blobs of protoplasm to trick into bed by any means necessary. It's not about tricking girls into sex. It's about getting your foot in the door, so that you can at least start to build a relationship. It's like paying your ante in poker. You have to get her into you if you want any hope of taking the relationship anywhere. Girls like the ones he's going for (attractive) turn down hundreds of guys a week, it's almost a reflex for them. So you have to get your foot in the door if you want to make any kind of long term relationship possible.    Pinkysmom is a woman, you have to screen out what she's saying because she really doesn't know what she's talking about here. How many women has she dated? None! Women like her say they want the nice guy,  they don't!!!  This is a lie that has tricked millions of men all across the world and doomed them to a lonely life.     Here is an example of a nice guy:       Skippy in Love - YouTube              Pinkysmom, would you date this guy?