[quote=dave6;5781653]   first off im not lieing the early rock bands came from jazz   The first Jazz band was White. Whites gave it the name Jazz. First Jazz band to record and popularize the music around America and the world were White, etc... Rock n' Roll/Rockabilly comes from Country, Folk, Boogie Woogie/Saloon style piano playing, Bluegrass and a touch of Blues which is still Western music no matter if it happens to be performed by a Black because all of the influence is Western aka White, and in the early days there was no distinction between what was Blues and Country, that happened in the 1940s. Alot of the Black rock n' rollers were R&B but got lumped into the rock n' roll category because it was popular at the time and they were similar. As far as I'm concerned the only true rock n' roll is Rockabilly and the only Black guy who fits that category is Chuck Berry. He had a very Countryish sound, everyone thought he was White at first, his nickname was the Black Hillbilly.    and the earliest artists i can think of that called themselves rock n roll were little richard, ray charles, im not saying that they did not draw from white based music but thats always the case in a society where you mash cultures together,    First of all Blacks and Whites were not mashed together in those days, for Chrissakes a Black person couldn't even sit in the same restaurant as a White person. Have you forgotten the South was segregated? And we all know how racist those Southerners were right? All Black American culture is still Western anyhow, they were completely assimilated into White Southern culture. Adopted our names, foods(when the Blacks cook Southern food they call it Soul Food), clothing styles, musical instruments and styles, accent, etc.. I don't know anyone who considers Ray Charles Rock n' Roll. The first recognized rock n' roll single, and the one that sparked the rock n' roll fad in 1950s America was Rock Around the Clock by Bill Haley and the Comets from 1954, which itself ripped off the melody from Hank Williams' Move It On Over from 1947. Also, have you ever heard of Moon Mullican? He was playing rock n' roll 20 years before anyone ever heard of Bill Haley, or Elvis Presley.   and if rock n roll is white music then reggae can pass as white as well becuase its influenced by rock.   No, reggae cannot pass as White music. What do you have against Rock music exactly?    my point is Hip Hop should not be claimed by a race the music that hip hop producers draw from ranges from soul to heavy metal.   No, it should be claimed by Blacks. We don't want it or need it.    however the neo nazi hip hop strikes me as funny to and i can see the hypocrisy so dont think the ironic twist is lost on me i wouldnt buy any of there cds.   They are clowns.    for the record the stones and sabath who are amazing bands were origianlly blues bands   No they weren't. Where does the Blues come from anyhow? Africa?:rolleyes: There is nothing essentially African about Blues music at all. Blues is a Black dominated spin off of Country/Hillbilly and Folk music. There have been numerous threads about this and I don't even want to get into it again.    and the influence is present in there early records to a great degree,   I'm not too worried about it.      please inform me who was the first white rock n roll artist was and how did he devise this music?   Moon Mullican and Hank Williams :) They got their music from their soul. Go listen to some traditional Irish and Scottish folk songs, throw in an electric guitar and drum kit and you got rock music basically.     Move It On Over by Hank Williams(1947) 10 years before Elvis Presley's first album in 1957  [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFkEyvhkqpc[/youtube]  Rock Around the Clock by Bill Haley(1954). first officially recognized rock n' roll song. Also rock n' roll is not the same thing as Rock. Rock music is separate from Rock n' Roll/Rockabilly.   [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sXSg-1ITR4[/youtube]  Pipeliner's Blues by Moon Mullican(1940)  [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhdRJypb7qY[/youtube]    PS - For the people who try saying the terminology Rock and Roll is of Black slang origins.....think again.       The word rock had a long history in the English language as a metaphor for to shake up, to disturb or to incite. Shakespeare used it in his play Venus and Adonis when he wrote My throbbing heart shall rock thee day and night. The verb Roll was a medieval metaphor which meant having sex. Writers for hundreds of years have used the phrases They had a roll in the hay or I rolled her in the clover. In an old English sea chantey we can find the lyrics:  Oh do, me Johnny Bowker . . .  Come Rock'n'Roll me over       Also in 1934 the all White, female vocal group: The Boswell Sisters, made a song called Rock and Roll. It refers to the rolling rocking rhythm of the sea.    Ella Fitzgerald, the famous Black female singer, copied her style after the Boswell Sisters.     In her youth, she wanted to be a dancer, although she loved listening to jazz recordings by Louis Armstrong, Bing Crosby and The Boswell Sisters. She idolized the lead singer Connee Boswell, later saying, My mother brought home one of her records, and I fell in love with it....I tried so hard to sound just like her.[5]      Connee herself is widely considered one of the greatest jazz female vocalists and was a major influence on Ella Fitzgerald.    Boswell Sisters   http://singers.com/groupimages/boswell.jpg   http://singers.com/jazz/vintage/boswell.html