wow patriot, you have a profound knowledge of gangs of ALL races.  Hm... I wouldn't really say profound. But I know enough about that sort of thing. I know a little about a lot and a lot about a little:) I just have a basic, general knowledge about a wide variety of subjects.   are you an urban anthropologist or just morbidly curious about urban street warriors?:D   Or I could even be involved in law enforcement, did you think about that one:confused: Maybe I know some basic information about gang culture because I'm a cop, or maybe I am a reformed ex-con who spent time in the joint, or a lot of time in bad, gang infested neighborhoods, maybe I grew up in the inner city. You just never know ;)    I don't really know why you make it out to be like I'm some gang expert anyhow. All I said was that Black 'gangsta types seem to have a fondness for Italians over other Whites because they are fascinated by Italian mafia culture and have a respect for it. Then I later remarked that it was originally the Irish who formed the first organized crime and large street gangs in America, the Italians showed up later and followed their model but ended up beating them at their own game because the Irish had too much infighting and were too hot-headed(of course). I don't really think that basic knowledge qualifies me as being a gang expert or anything. I just know a lot about Irish and American history. But that being said, yes I do know enough even about modern-day, non-White street gangs and crime groups to usually be able to identify different gangs by their graffiti and symbols. It just seems to be a good thing to know. You don't want to just take a stroll through a gang controlled neighborhood just thinking the star and crown you seen spray painted on the wall was just there simply for looks and not as a warning, y'know?