[quote=the nhp guy;5644116].     Do you really need to ask why I say logic has no place here?I swear forumers occasionally sound like unsupervised special needs kids!!Thats the truth.    Turks/mongols are like mexicans, jews and blacks, they destroy everything they touch. They never created anything, never invented anything and never lived in a civilization. They simply reproduce, consume and move to other country pillaging, killing and raping everyone in their path. They should live in a steppe with their tribal customs and not to emigrate in white countries    Exactly which part of this statement is it that you disagree with? If it is an untrue statement, prove it. Sounds pretty accurate to me. The truth is called hate by those who hate the truth.        Trying to squeeze every historical development into their tiny prisms of the white race's genetic superiority leads to statements like this.At the same time they unashamedly claim the achievements of others as their own-which is where the problem starts   . Exactly which achievements of others are we claiming as our own? Which ones.