The whole default conversation is nothing more than another lie from the government.  The US takes in about 280 billion a month, payments on the debt are about 20 billion a month.  Even Rand Paul and Senator Lee admit to this.  What the talk about defaulting is all about is the US inability to BORROW more money to further increase government spending and to increase the size of government.  Don't drink the Kool-Aid... very true. the furloughed workers will be payed for work they didn't do. so technically, even though the government is 'shutdown', over 60% of it is still operating and 100% of it is going to be paid. that means this shutdown saves zero money.     what we actually need is a REAL government shutdown.     what democrats don't want people to see though, is that america can still run like nothings changed even though over 30% of the government are not working, which essentially means that these jobs are USELESS money wasters, and even if these job positions couldn't be removed entirely (we still need food inspectors) we COULD stand to have LESS people doing these jobs at more infrequent intervals. In essence, we could cut 90% of the fat and the remaining 10% would still be more than enough to handle those duties.    when you look at it from the perspective of a shutdown, the obama admin isn't trying to extend the debt ceiling for the sake of americans -- it's trying to extend it for the sake of keeping itself in power.    picture it like this, what if an actual shutdown happened -- one where government jobs HAD to be reduced and weren't coming back. one where the US government was not allowed to borrow more money and only work with that it currently collects in taxes. that woud be the RESPONSIBLE thing to do. the irony is, the debt costs people more than what high taxes ever would have if nothing was ever borrowed. interest is essentially paying money because you owe money, and it's always going to cost more than what you borrowed. on the scale of the us government, debt is essentially enslavement because the debt will never be fully paid, while the interest will always need to be paid. that's a recipe for perpetual debt.    one can only conclude from these facts, that the act of borrowing itself, is treasonous to america, because it can ONLY be used as a vehicle to harm americans financially. the obama administration itself IS A TERRORIST ATTACK. only people aren't being killed by suicide bombers, they're being killed slowly with debt and loss of prosperity and opportunity. they're being killed with health issues and rising medical costs, none of which obamacare actually addresses. health insurance doesn't mean much when you can't afford the co pays when you need it most. under obamacare, a procedure that costs $10,000 in a hospital today, will cost just as much or more out of pocket. they're being killed by the violently enabled white genocide perpetuating minorities who think the white man stole everything from them and owes them everything.     I **** you not, black people actually think they built this country -- I saw one once who LITERALLY believed that the very sidewalks you see today, were built by slaves. When black people look at a modern city, they can only think of the backs of the slaves that must of built all of it.