Recommendation to Authorize the City Manager to Negotiate and Execute a Purchase Agreement, or in the Alternative a Lease Agreement, and Service Provider Agreement with Sun Ridge Systems Inc. for the Acquisition, Support, and Maintenance of a Computer Aided Dispatch, Report Management Systems in an Amount Not to Exceed $1,137,825 for Five Years, including a First Year Purchase Price of $820,905 and Annual Support Cost of $79,230 per Year for Four Additional Years.  (Police 3121)
Okay. Vice Mayor. Item five. See? And do you want to. Do you want to explain why? And do we see whose this is? Do you want to start? Okay. Oh, this is on the. Do you? Okay. Why don't you come on back? Sure. I'm happy to ask a couple of questions, and the city manager can have whoever he likes answer it. So this is. This is a purchase agreement for a computer aided dispatch reporting monitoring management system. And so I have two questions. I'm not overly concerned about this. I think it's actually a good idea. And the first question is, we are currently having some issues with our current CAD system polling data as it relates to everything, almost everything. Right. And so we are confident that this new system will actually fix that quickly. Yes. Based on based on the tutorials that we've received. Yes. Excellent. Okay. The second question is great, and I apologize that I didn't have a chance to look this up during the budget conversation. We talked about some of the money that's in the budget for these systems and the impact of possibly putting this money here and not towards license plate readers. And we have had a lot of interest in the community around license plate readers. I believe it was last year, but the last time it came forward, which is a year and a half ago. Almost to February of 18. Yeah, almost two years ago it was going to come back for for council discussion. I know that there were some privacy issues. We have some things coming forward in the next month and a half on that issue. How does our decision here approving this system impact our ability to move forward with that other piece? So that's a good question. My personal opinion is it shouldn't have. It doesn't need to have an effect on it at all. Um, I, when I first approached the city manager about this particular cat, our project, um, I was aware that, you know, this was kind of a last minute request as we were heading into the budget . And I knew that the $500,000 that the Council had set aside for the technology, uh, could have been used for license plate readers or some other technology. So it really just out of an effort to try to keep us from having to spend new money. I just basically referred because the city manager wasn't on board when that discussion happened. So I alerted in to the fact that the $500,000 was there and that because at the time the license plate reader discussion was kind of dormant, for lack of a better term. And so I thought, well, let's just use that money and then we'll reappropriate some other money in our budget if if we go ahead and if you go ahead and approve this, we still have, unfortunately, salary savings because of our vacancies. I still think that there's enough money there that we could proceed with the license plate reader under a separate as a separate project standalone. Okay. And the city manager, Mr. Leavitt. Thinks to expand on that. So we would have to evaluate I think we had a million set aside for for this project based on that discussion in the budget. There's about 200,000, so we'd have to look at that in combination with other funds potentially would have to have a new appropriation from other funds. Is there a plan to bring the license? I mean, if we approve this, is there a plan to bring the license plate reader? So I'm just going to have to stop you right there, because we do need to stick to I think that's probably why the city attorney was grabbing his microphone. But yes, Mr.. Mr.. Chin, why don't you take it from here? Yeah. So my advice to the council is that because license plate readers are not in front of the council, I recommend that we do not have that conversation as part of this item. Right. I was just going to ask if that issue would be coming back so that we know if in approving this, we can there's a there's a financial trade off and we're going to find that money. So just trying to make sure I know what we're voting on tonight and what we can what we're going to be funded in the future. But if you're saying we can't even clarify whether that issue might come forward, I think if the city manager. I would say I think the issue is the least is the question I heard you ask is would there be any impact on the city's ability to get the license plate readers in the fixed locations if the council were to approve this CAT upgrade tonight and I heard the answer from the chief to be no. Well, I want to definitely. Okay. I want to. Yeah. If I could. Clarify, city man, you. Would have to appropriate new money. I mean, there's 200,000 and you out appropriate new money. So it's not there isn't money there other than the 200,000. So I just want to make sure that's clear because I don't want to come back and have the council think, please misrepresent that. I don't get to make the decision. I was just saying that it wasn't didn't have to be, in my opinion, an either or proposition. But. Understood. Okay. Any further questions for the chief or any of the staff? Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. I can't somebody. I just want to move approval of the item. Okay. I have a motion to have a second. I have a motion by Councilmember Ody, seconded by Vice Mayor Knox White. All in favor. I okay. That was unanimous. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Okay. Thanks. Okay. So we have approved the consent calendar and we've approved item five C. So now we are going to move to item six D for those of you who might have come in afterwards, the council voted to bring that to the top of the agenda, because I know we have some little people in the room for this one. So who's presenting that item? I am. Okay. This is our assistant city manager, Jerry Bowden. I think we can still say new, but. Yes, a few months venue. Yeah, me too. Standard. Welcome. Good evening, Mayor. As he Ashcraft, Vice Mayor Knox White and members of the City Council. I am Jerry Bowden, serve as the assistant city manager with the city. I'm here making the presentation this evening. It's obviously a really complex and possibly broad topic. So also the chief of police who you've already heard from this evening is here on this topic, city attorney's office planning, building and transportation. If we were to look at land use alternatives, so we're able to basically support the discussion with a number of different areas this evening. Obviously, I want to make one other note. There's obviously a lot of members of the community here as well. And so that does offer opportunities for new ideas and for partnerships going through and looking at the options here this evening. So I'll start with the recommendation. We are recommending that the Council provide direction regarding potential next steps for the local gun safety measures following the gun safety townhall that was held at the Alameda Theater just a little over a month ago. You're all well aware of this, but I'll just state it for for the presentation this evening. The city is committed to the health, safety and welfare of all residents, employees and visitors. You're also aware that firearm related deaths are at an epidemic level in our country. There are over 40,000 lives lost every year in the United States. In 2018, we saw approximately 3000 deaths in California. And so far in 2019, at least 21 mass shootings have occurred in our state, leaving over 124 people dead. And those incidents just continue to happen. As recently as this this past week. So the city of Alameda, again, is committed to being part of the solution to address this this situation. On June 4th of 2018, Christ Episcopal Church hosted an event with city participation. Councilmember Vela was on the panel that day, as well as mayor as he Ashcraft was also present. We had our police chief there, high school students, and there were gun advocates and other members of the community there. Over 120 people attended that event this past summer. Mayor, as he Ashcraft, also sent a letter to the U.S. Senate calling for legislative action to be proactive regarding gun violence. And finally, I'd like to just note that the mayor and council have supported numerous state and federal bills aimed at better regulating firearms. And over the last year or so. In September, Vice Mayor Knox White and Councilmember Oteh brought forward a council referral to convene a community conversation regarding gun violence. Council did unanimously support the referral, and that led to the Gun Safety Townhall, which was hosted at the Alameda Theater on October 14th. The meeting was facilitated by Vice Mayor Knox White. Councilmember O.D. also facilitated. And the there was a an impressive panel there that that evening covering legal perspectives, public safety, personal impacts associated with gun violence speakers for and against local gun control were there and a lot of different community perspectives were shared. There were about 65 members of the public in attendance. And again, just a wide range of options and concepts were discussed. Obviously, it's a multifaceted process. Our topic following the town hall meeting, we were looking for ways to group these these ideas into broad categories. Four of them were are put forward here this evening there. There are likely other ways to categorize these things. I just want to acknowledge that. But we looked at safety, safety training, reducing the potential for public violence or violence in public places. Now, ownership and storage and then responsibility and documentation. And again, there's there's a lot of breadth to this. We fully expect there to be other ideas or ways to correct ways to categorize things. But hopefully this helps get the conversation going this evening. I'm going to go through these pretty quickly. These are the same items that were listed in the staff report. The first category is safety training. There's just one option on the slide. We're looking at the possibility of certifying firearm training, requiring certified firearms training for registered gun owners in the city and proposed a timeline of every five years. Obviously, this is just a concept and putting things forward for four for discussion here this evening. The second is reducing the potential for violence in public. Three suggestions here all around. Limiting the the ability to either carry firearms in public places or carry less ammunition. So and also possibly limiting carrying firearms at public protests and other public spaces. The third broad category is ownership and storage. And again, requiring additional insurance, safe storage in your home. Safe storage and unattended vehicles could all be options that we could consider here at the local level. Yeah. All right. I missed. I just want to make sure that I. I'm on the right slide here. Fourth category in the staff report is responsibility and documentation or eight options on the slide focusing on gun sellers, taxation options, better education in the in in the community and different ways to educate. How are all things that are included on on this slide as options under the fourth and final category that we have for you this evening? So once again, our recommendation is to provide direction to staff regarding potential next steps following the gun safety townhall that might involve selecting from the list of items provided this evening. We fully expect to hear new ideas here this evening and then directing staff. And there's also the possibility of just directing staff to seek additional input coming out of this evening. If a specific direction isn't identified, if specific ideas do come forward from this evening, we would want the opportunity to assess the viability. Also look at the potential staff staffing and resource impacts associated with it, and then have the possibility of evaluating that and presenting it to council before any formal or informal actions are taken with respect to the items that are discussed this evening. So with that, I'll conclude staff's presentation and be available for any questions. Thank you. This is the time where if the Council has any clarifying questions to ask of the staff, we can do so at this time. And if you do, let's go ahead and ask them. If not, we'll go to our public speakers. Any clarifying questions on the presentation? Okay. Hearing none. Now, if you would like to speak tonight, just fill out a speaker slip or come up and speak and fill it out afterwards if we have some. Okay. We only have three speakers. Okay. We have three speakers. Okay. Did so. Only three people wanted to speak because I'm trying to put anybody who has children or is a child first. So the and but, you know, no one's compelled to speak. But I just I will offer that that opportunity. Um, so in the meantime, I. And then I'll just go over the ground rules that will help us move the meeting along and get everyone out. The same night we started the meeting, which is we don't do any applause, we don't do cheers, we don't do the waiver boo or jeer. We just listen respectfully and everybody's got something worthwhile to say. So with that, the city. Cllr, we now have seven speakers. Okay? So when we have more than six speakers, you get 2 minutes to speak. But 2 minutes is really quite a good long time. And so just be prepared. 2 minutes, there's a clock that will be moving along and I going to call our first speaker, in fact, maybe call the first three so you can be ready to slide out of your seat when it's time for you to speak. Sherry Johansen, Jonathan So Glenn and Eleanor Wiley. Okay, Mr. Hanson. It's a long time since I've been a child, but it's nice to see so many kids in the audience I'm speaking. This is Shane Johansen and I'm on the steering committee for the Alamy Progressive Zone. I'm actually speaking for them tonight. So we have a statement. Basically, the alimony progressives are in support of the proposals to decrease gun violence in Alameda and to add protection for our children. In addition, we believe there's a wide support in the community. And that's kind of what I wanted to speak to you tonight. In 2018, the Alameda progressives were asked by the Reverend Stephen Mikhail at the Christ Episcopal Church in Alameda to join their efforts to ask Big Five Sports to remove their assault style style tactical weapons and to promote safety in their schools and against gun violence. The Alameda Progressives hosted a rally in protest in March of 2018. More than 500 people showed up for that march for our lives, including some people on this panel. And that was Saturday, March 24th. And we started at Park Street and Santa Clara, and we actually marched to Big Five and shopping center in Alameda showing their support for the children and expressing their wishes to see an end of gun violence in schools as well as to empower Big Five to remove their weapons. Two students addressed the crowd about their fears of going to school and being shot. The students from the Alameda High Schools had joined the national walkout to protest school violence. They staged a walkout the previous Wednesday. Students in Alameda joined students across the country to walk out of classes for 17 minutes at that time, one minute to honor each of the 7017 people killed in Florida. Thank you. Very much. And our next speaker is. Jonathan, Mr.. Coughlin. Good evening. Thank you, Madam Mayor and council members Jonathan Coughlin. I'm a 20 year resident of Alameda. Another 20 years and I'll be able to claim a long term resident. You're a resident. That's all that you know. I'm here to urge you to adopt the recommendation and and refer the matter to staff to consider the measures that were on the on the slide show and also the additional measures put to you by by safe all made a lot of really good, important safety measures to be considered there. Safety measures do work. We have a really good example of them. In 2016, there was a gentleman in Southern California who had a couple of DUIs, mental health issues. He was had a mental health evaluation. His guns were seized and they were destroyed. These systems do work in that sense and do save lives. However, that gentleman's son we know last week shot several classmates and himself. There were three deaths. So it's not enough. These measures are not enough. You have to do more. And we know that I'm going to throw some numbers out there. There are 120 guns per person in the United States. There are 220 gun thefts in Alameda alone. Thefts and loss in the last ten years. And. Another number that's really important. Californians can register a firearm, a handgun every 30 days. That's more than his constitution required and more that's necessary. So what I urge you to do, in addition to these measures, to make sure your referral includes two specific things. One, eliminate all ownership of assault weapons. And in Alameda, they are not all banned. There are exceptions and also limit individuals to one handgun per home and no grandfather clause. We need to do that. We need to get rid of and reduce the number of guns. Thank you, Mr. Sandlin. And our next and if any young people have turned in their. Clips, received one from a young lady. Gabby, are you a young person? Come on. That young. People. Will bump up to the head of the line here. He just gave it. Hi. Folks. And just make sure you pulled that microphone down to where we can hear you and we'd love to hear from you. Hi. Hello. Board members today. We just want to stand in front of you as high school students. We are in support of the policies that were introduced today, and we'll continue to advocate for common sense gun reform locally as well as on a national level. And we believe it's time that our generation is heard for. We're the children that are going to school in the midst of this situation. Thank you. Yeah, you sure can. I've been a couple rules high, so. We're both internal high school students. And something that I've been. Noticing on our school campus and I'm sure. At the other high schools in Alameda. Is just a growing anxiety around. These these. Issues. So I would urge you guys to also consider like support groups and really directly talking to students who are affected by what they're seeing in the media and. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, not prepared. But I would I would. Urge just fine. Thank you. Thank you for the suggestions. All right. Are you seniors? What grade are you right? No, no, no. Okay. Um. Okay. Who's next? Eleanor Wylie, then Krystal Lo, Pilotto and Kelly Cope. Eleanor Whaley, 60 year resident of Alameda. And I've spoken many times in this council chamber, not necessarily to this council. And I want to urge the council to, yes, study what we need to do to get guns out of our community. I mean, I am just so heartened with these kids, and I think it's just disgusting that they have to come here and ask for mental health support because they're so afraid of what's going on in the world. But as you're looking at things, start with something. Don't study it to death. There's many good suggestions. And do it. Don't just talk about it. Thank your next speaker is. Krystal Lo Pilotto and Kelly Cope. Hello. Hi. Good evening, council members. My name is Krystal Lobato. I'm a parent here in Alameda and a volunteer leader with Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense and a member of the newly formed group Save Alameda. Sorry, I'm a little sick. I'm here tonight to thank you for making gun violence prevention a priority and to encourage you to devote all necessary resources to continue identifying proactive steps that the city can take to keep the community safe. And as you can see, there's a lot of parents here. It matters to so many of us on on deep, deep levels, and in particular here in strong support of the city drafting and passing a local safe storage ordinance through my legislative advocacy work with Moms Demand Action. I'm happy to confirm that the list of cities that are passing these safe storage ordinances, it's growing week by week . But Alameda can do that and more and should do more. And I'm glad that you're considering a wide variety of. Policies. And I hope that you will adopt the recommendation for the city staff to look at and consider all of those as you're doing this work. You will inevitably hear that no single law is going to completely eliminate the risk of gun violence in our city. But I hope that you can all agree that that doesn't mean that we don't have a moral duty to try everything we can to reduce that risk in every way we can. So thank you again for putting this topic on the agenda, and I hope you'll. Treat the issue with the. Seriousness that it deserves. Our families and our friends are depending on you to take this action. Thank you. Well said. Thank you. Our next speaker is Kelly Koop and Ms.. Coats and then Louise. Okay. Hi. Hi. My name is Kelly Cope. I'm a resident over here. Oh, friend. I said you're not a. Resident of Alameda and leader of Safe Alameda. And I'm thankful that you guys have brought this up to city council. I'm urging you to. Move forward. With these recommendations that are council members have had. I also want to note that we should have funds for education, for safe storage and other measures. And also we need to reach out to the community so they know if there is somebody who is having thoughts of lying to hurt somebody else or others who they can speak to about that if they don't meet the criteria. For 5150 but need. Additional support. Especially. People who are younger. We need to get them before it gets to a point where they're coming into school with a gun. Or if they're using guns in their own home. We've already had four deaths of children, at least four deaths of children. Or a parent because. Of firearms that were gotten to the hands of children. And I also urge you to address the underlying causes of. This violence, as well. As. Family, domestic violence and also suicidal. Thoughts. Thank you. Thank you. And then you said. And then Daniel Miller. Miller. Good evening, counsel. My name is Louise Reed. I am a 20 year resident of Alameda and I am a volunteer leader of Moms Demand Action, the East Bay Local Group. So we cover Alameda as well and we. Are just thrilled that you guys are. Taking this health epidemic seriously and really looking into the things that we can do to keep our communities safer through gun violence prevention ordinances. Thank you very much. I really just wanted to reiterate what everyone has said here tonight, so I won't take too much of your time. And I really. Appreciate your understanding. The seriousness of this and understanding that our children really need our help. Thank you. Thank you. Danielle Miller, then Danielle Huizar. Good evening. My name is Danielle. I have four one and four year old boys and we choose to live raise our kids in Alameda because it's a safe, caring and gated community. But with the prospect as they begin to enter the public schools, the prospect of them being exposed to gun violence is is horrifying and very anxiety provoking for me, which is not the feeling that I want to have as they enter kindergarten. So I want to thank the Council for their leadership on this issue and really encourage you to address all of these issues. There is everyone has said there are these and so many more issues that we can take. And I understand, you know, for practical purposes, we may need to prioritize a few. To start now and then. I encourage you, once those are done to do the next ones and the next ones and the next ones until we can really address this epidemic. And this may also require partnerships at the state level and at the state and federal level, as I know you are already doing. So I just wanted to encourage you and also to consider not just gun safety measures, but really we do need to reduce the number of guns in homes in this community. I worry about those who face domestic violence. The prospect of having a gun in the home reduces the or increases the risk of a woman being killed by five times. It's extremely dangerous. And we know that, you know, many families have guns in the home and they may be kept unsafely, which is very dangerous for the for the children living in the home if they come across those those guns. So I just want to encourage you with as strongly as I can to to continue to move forward and to do as much as you can. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Speaker to then John Platt. Hey. We have a twofer. Hello. Good evening. Thank you so much for supporting. These measures. Thus far and the work that you have all put in just to get us here today. My name is Daniel Tesla. I am an Alameda mom property owner. I have a two year old and a five year old who recently started kindergarten at the Ruby Bridges Elementary School. We love the community. I've joined the PTA. I'm also a county of Alameda employee. So we're really invested here in our community and we just really want our children to be safe and all children to be safe. And I think the big three biggest priorities, you know, as I. See them, would be safe. Storage, reduction of guns and mental health services, which I know wasn't quite on sort of the four prongs there. But I think it's really important for our young people, especially. As some of the young people who have been here. Tonight have talked about. And so I just really want to thank you again. I'm also a member of Safe Alameda, so thank you again. And please continue this work. Don't let it fall. We won't let you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Bye bye. Q Hi, John. Platt Yes, I'm back. Hi, I'm John Platt. And first off, I'd like to apologize to Vice Mayor Knox White and Jim Giamatti because I questioned the value of your meeting at the theater. Obviously was fantastic and the measures you've got here are great. I just have one small suggestion and I'd be willing to contribute to it. Why don't we have a gun buyback program here in Alameda where we pay cash and get some guns off the street? Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Olivia Petty. Olivia Petty. There you are. Hi. Hi. I'm Olivia Petty, and I'm a sophomore at Alameda. High, and. I'm not sure. If you remember me, but, uh, last two years ago now. I actually did a walk out, and I met you at a luncheon over on the. Beach. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do remember you. You're a sophomore now. So you were a yes, I do remember that, yes. But I just wanted to reiterate that. I know we're talking a lot about, you know, the. The stigma around mass shootings in schools. And I do. Just want to remind that. 90% of gun deaths in America are suicide. And just last year, we at Alameda High had a suicide. Jesse Lopez And out of respect, I don't want. To give details or we don't know details about how it happened, but. The presence of a gun in a home makes. Someone who. Is contemplating suicide five times more. Likely to go through with it. And I just want to put out there that, yes. What people have been saying, that we need more mental health focus in schools and better education around the subject. And just a better I know we have a school based health center, but more resources, I think, just for students and for adults and anyone. So thank you. Thank you so much, Olivia. All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you all for speaking. This is a very important topic. And if we didn't know that to begin with. Oh, my God. The week we had last week, it just, you know, you can't make this stuff up, but let's let's start a discussion. I'm going to open it on the council, but I'm going to open it first to our vice mayor, Knox White and Councilmember Odie, because you did initiate the town hall that has led to this agenda item. Who wants to go first? Me, me. Me. Okay. You're both me. But this is me. Okay, Vice Mayor. Thank you very much. So thank you all for coming out. And I want to thank my council colleagues as well for, you know, really joining joining. I feel through this process, we've all joined together to show that we're very serious about this. I think that, you know, through a variety of different actions and activities that people have participated in, I think everybody up here has shown for the last few years that they are they take this seriously and they want to see this move forward. I just wanted to think before we go forward now, aside from staff agreeing to bring this forward as a regular agenda item so that we can have a not late at night conversation. You know, we got some great ideas when this was here in September, we reached out to the Christchurch folks who had organized the first panel hearing a year and a half ago and talked to them about their experience and where they saw things moving forward. And I feel we've we've helped to bring those forward as well. We've worked really closely with the Safe Alameda Group, with Moms Demand Action, with every Everytown USA and with the Giffords Law Center. And after all those conversations, which were many and will hopefully be continuing. We also worked with our city attorney's office who could really help give us some guidance on ideas that we feel can have some some impact and whatnot. We've brought forward these 20 because of the things that we heard from the community. We didn't want to keep adding every day before before we came forward. I think for me it was well, we brought these forward after after because we kind of made a commitment to the groups that we were working with, that we were going to do things that could have impact in our community, that showed leadership in our community, that could actually, in a few places take some steps forward that other communities have yet to do in the idea that if all communities start to work together and follow in each other, that there are benefits across the region. So I'm excited to be here and look forward to the conversation. Thank you. Councilmember Odie. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I also want to thank everyone for coming out today. We always have a lot of council referrals. And my my former colleague, Mr. Matarese, would always say a referral may start with one or two council members, but if it's passed by the council, then the whole council owns it. So I mean, that's my message today is that, you know, whatever comes out of today, whatever we put forward, you know, it's this entire council that will be doing that, working together. We have we have worked collaboratively together on many things in the past, you know, nine, ten, 11 months, things that people thought were unsolvable. So this is an issue that one of the speakers correctly said, you know, there's not, you know, one root cause of the problem. There's not one solution. But I'm looking forward to this conversation. I think we can all we've all shown an ability to work together. And I'm pretty confident we'll be able to do that today and bring forth, you know, an agenda that I think will help keep our citizens and our residents safe. It's multifaceted. There's things on here that came up in the town hall. There's items that came, you know, from other folks. You know, Johno brought up some. Mr. Coughlin. Sorry. So I'm having an open mind and I'd like to, you know, listen to any and all perspectives and hope. We will put together a good package of directions to our staff to come back. And, you know, then we can look these youngsters in the eye that, you know, interrupt meetings so we can hear them. They shouldn't have to do that and tell them, we've listened to you and all five of us are working together to keep you safe. And we're working together to respond to you. And we're working together, you know, to answer your call. Thank you. Who wants to go next? Councilmember Vela, a young mom herself. I'm a I'm a mom now. So the of a young child, I should say she is. But, you know, I think we started this conversation before I was mom. And it's not to say that my feelings have changed at all. I think that if anything, I feel like whatever more we can do, especially for those who really have, you know, no ability to to care for themselves, then we really do need to do it. You know, I was in high school when Columbine happened, and I still remember where I was when it happened. I still remember, you know, everything about that day, partially because my cousins all went to Columbine and it was right behind my my their their home. The high school is literally around the corner from their house. And the fact that we're still seeing school shootings and they're, they're frankly, um, are very few people that I know who haven't been impacted by gun violence of some sort tells me that we we can and should do more. And I think that this is a public health issue. I think it's a public health crisis. I think that we need to address it as such. And I think that we've addressed a number of different things. Similarly, sometimes the NRA likes to compare or say, you know, cars kill more people than guns and and we regulate cars . Right. And we do things in order to limit access to them and to regulate them. And we've been very successful, not 100% successful, but we're taking steps even on this council to try to make it more safe with, you know, the use of vehicles around town and regulate that. And I think we need to do the same for gun control. And I shouldn't say gun control, but gun safety, because that's really what this is about. It's not about control. It's about safety. I, I really think that the safe I like all of the suggestions. The only one that I'm really have would wonder what the process would be is the tax that's proposed. There's a proposed tax on the sale of guns and what that would be spent for. I think that's something very involved. There's we would have to put it on the ballot. So it's not something that could just we could just direct staff to do and have it go into place. I do really think that we need to like I said, I like all of the suggestions. In fact, I'm willing to say let's try to see if we can do all of them and prioritize them in different orders. But I definitely think that the safe storage ordinance is something that we have to do. I am very concerned about the mental health services, in particular with our youth. We're also seeing we saw the report from our school district. I would like us to have a conversation and to work with our school board on that issue more. I know that we've given it just to the audience knows we've given money to the school district specifically for mental health services because we saw because we saw an increase in depression, suicidal thoughts, anxiety. And a lot of it is also I, I would I think is very much tied to the overall environment that our students are exposed to. I was with a colleague of mine whose children are in Alameda schools and he says, you know, I was with him when we heard about the Santa Clarita shooting. And he said, you know, our students in Alameda, including his seven year old son, do active shooter drills. And that the fact that we are doing these sorts of things in order to prepare our students for this is just. Speaks volumes about where we are as a society, and it's not a good thing. So that's where I'm at. I'm happy to continue the conversation with my colleagues, but like I said, I'm happy to find some way to prioritize the list and and see what we can do. Thank you, Councilmember Desai. Well, great. Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much for bringing this item before us to Councilmember Odie and Vice Mayor Knox White. And also thank you very much to Mayor as he Ashcraft and Councilmember Vela for their and their participation in the meeting over at the Christ Episcopal earlier this year. I think for me, I think we're I think our efforts should be focused on is something as tangible as trying to reduce the amount of guns in our community. And I say that I come to that topic by referencing what Dick's, the national retailer, had done in deciding not to sell military assault style weapons at their stores and. Then destroying. Them and destroying them. I believe they still sell shotguns or other hunting type of weaponry, but they don't sell military style assault and assault weapons. And I think in Alameda, we need to encourage retailers if they're selling weaponry that they don't sell military and assault style weapons. And I think we need to encourage that through an ordinance, perhaps one way that we can get at that, because clearly federal rules trump how states and localities can regulate gun armament. Perhaps one way that we can get at that is by. So required something that if. If stores don't adopt stores that sell military and assault style weaponry, if they don't adopt the the approach that Dick's had had implemented, then they'll have to sell their weaponry in separate parts of the stores, or they'll have to sell their their weaponry in ways that kind of discourage sales of weaponry, much in the same way that we have in ordnance, you know, where there are certain types of certain types of published materials that if they're sold at at grocery stores or they're they're sold at convenience stores on the corner, that they have to be behind certain covering, so to speak. So we have ordinances in our books that discourage types of retail. And so we might want to contemplate that and apply that to to the sale of weaponry in retail in Alameda as a as a as is one way of trying to reduce. The number of weapons in the city of Alameda. Thank you, Councilmember Desai. So and again, just great comments by all our speakers and the council members this weekend. I had a houseguest. She was actually a college friend of mine. She's now a pediatrician. She's the director of an amazing clinic for underserved children and their families in Southern California. She was up here because on Monday she was in a meeting of a committee that our did you know the state has a surgeon general, Dr. Nadine Burke Harris, who's pretty amazing pediatrician. If you've never heard her or heard about her, heard her speak. But one of the things my friend was saying, because she's from southern California in the south, this shooting had just happened and she was saying this kid had all the addition of just a problem waiting to happen. He lived in a home with guns. They were his father's guns. His father had passed away the year before. Maybe his parents were divorced. His mom was a domestic violence survivor. One of the troubling aspects of the guns he used, at least something I've read, is that they were what's called ghost guns, which means they were put together from stolen parts and so they didn't even have a serial number. But someone said, and it's such a good point, just because there's no one law that will solve all your problems or, you know, we can't solve all problems of one man doesn't mean you don't do anything we do. But the point my friend was making is that there needs to be not only the screening, because apparently pediatricians today my kids are now 28. It's been a while since I've been at a pediatrician, but even then, my pediatrician used to tell me, you need to ask Marilyn. When your friends, your kids want to go to a friend's home, you need to ask that parent ahead of time, are there guns in your home? And then you have the child come to your house to play. But but they now ask or they're supposed to ask about all these different mental health indicators. My pediatrician, friends, frustration is, okay, great. We ask, we find out they have these markers. But if you don't have the services to to provide the mental health services, what what do we do? So we do need to focus on mental health. And as Councilmember Vela noted, this city put in money to the school district to help augment their mental health programs because there just isn't enough. And we'll continue to look at that situation. And I also want to be respectful of the school district. The city and the schools are separate entities, and we do not tell the school district what to do. But I would assume that all of you advocates are also speaking to the school board. But we will do what we can as as city elected officials. The laws are really important. There are certain things we can do at a local level. Other things bump up to the state level. We've got great state representation with Assemblymember Bonta State Senator Nadine and I as Nancy Skinner. I will say that I continue to be just frustrated and flabbergasted by the U.S. Senate that, for crying out loud, can't even agree to universal background checks that the majority of the United States population would agree to. But I don't control everything. I control very little, in fact. But what what struck me when I spoke at the ribbon cutting of the newly renovated Alameda High School, because that's my alma mater, and I said this in my remarks, that the school is beautiful and state of the art science labs. It never looked this good when we were going there. But at the same time, these kids going to school today are participating in active shooter drills. And that's just it just shouldn't be. So what can we do at the local level? I, I definitely like the idea of safe storage. If there's a way we can implement that, I would when we, I think, refer this back to our city staff to work with both the city attorney and also the police department and the police chief. They can they will let us know what what can and can't be done, practices that are advisable, that have had good results. I know Mr. Platt said, why don't we do a gun buyback that actually has been controversial, as I understand, because sometimes people use the money from selling the old gun to go buy a new one . But again, this is where I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I defer to folks who study this. What I do want you all to know, although I know in California we've had way too many shootings, but we do have some of the toughest laws in the in the country. And this is from the Giffords Law Center, a paper that they did so we in. California. You know, the term open carry in California. California law prohibits a person from carrying a loaded firearm, open or concealed on his or her person or in a motor vehicle in any public place or on any public street in an incorporated city. And we're in incorporated city. Now, that assumes that people follow the law. Right. But there's also and there's an exception if you have a concealed weapon permit. But for instance, California law stops you, prohibits you from carrying an exposed and unloaded handgun in a public place or on a public street again in an incorporated city. You generally can't carry or possess a firearm in a state or local public building or at any public meeting. And the California state parks system, the state capital, a polling place. But again, those are the laws that have been on the books. And still these kinds of tragedies are happening. I, I agree with my colleagues that I would just like to see fewer guns, period. I think that gun safety training is important. But I what I really want is to focus on those people who would use the gun in the wrong way. And fortunately, the young man in Saugus seemed to know just how to operate that gun. But inspecting again so that we make sure there's trigger locks and that sort of thing that, you know, that makes sense so that we prevent those accidental shooting. So again, it will go back to staff and I presume it will come back to the council to say here are the things that can be done and here's what it takes, because everything takes a certain level of staffing and resources. And we don't just want to have laws on the books, we want them to be effective. So will someone make because I think what we're being asked to do is to provide direction to city staff. So does someone and I. And again, I would start with Councilmember Odie or Vice Mayor Knox White. But do you want to take a at first past that or something else? Sure. I mean, councilman. I mean, my earlier comments, I just wanted to level set and hear what everyone else had to say before, you know, speaking so substantively. So. John. You want me to go over? Do you want to? Okay. So, I mean, a lot of this, there's not a need to reinvent the wheel. So depending on what type of direction we give you, I think Sunnyvale has a safe storage ordinance that survived courts and court scrutiny. I think San Francisco has some type of possession ordinance that that's survived courts through a court scrutiny. Councilmember De talked about, well, you know, you can't put a porn magazine right in front where kids are buying in a in a in a grocery store. Well, you said some things that the First Amendment protects, but I'll carry that one step forward. So, I mean, why do we have guns right there in Big Five where kids could see them? So I think the mayor brought up a good point about, you know, asking people how, you know, if there's if there's guns in your house. You know, the last thing we want besides a mass shooting is for some kid to go to somebody's house, pick up a gun that's not safely stored, and then they're dead. So how do you have that conversation? You know, I don't know how I would have that conversation, but I know there's groups out there that, you know , have literature that have educational pamphlets that have done this in other cities. I think Seattle is one of them where there's been some success. So we can we don't have to start from scratch. We have to reinvent the wheel. But just getting back to that safe storage thing, I mean, like people could need some guidance on how to have that conversation and then maybe you know how to talk to your children about it. I think the mayor brought this up, too. I mean, some of this stuff shouldn't be the new normal. When I was in the doctor's office a couple of weeks ago. I'm waiting for my my appointment. I'm reading you know, this is I think it was Forbes or one of those magazines, you know, stocks that you can, you know, make money in. And the first one was like. This this active shooter training class. Our company is like really, you know, we've come to a point where, you know, in our society where one of the biggest moneymaking companies and fastest growing companies in this country is is one that sells training for active shooters. To me, something's wrong in our country. I don't begrudge anyone the chance to make money, but, you know, our value system is pretty messed up if if that's a fast growing company and, you know, parents that are told, well, get your kid a bulletproof backpack, I don't have to think about that. When I was a kid, I don't think about that when my kids were growing up. And it's like this shouldn't be the new norm. So I hope that as you go forward, you can. I know. I'm sorry. I'm kind of rambling here, but, you know, San Jose is thinking about the strict liability. So, I mean, there's someplace that's actually done a lot of research I'm not it is took liability the liability insurance. So as we prioritize I hope that we can use some of the resources and I just want to add. I'm going to try to add. You know this story, I think, you know, the suicide thing is super critical. Mental health, completely underfunded. We all know that. No one's going to argue. You know, we as a council decided to step up. It was not in our area to assist the school. And we did. I think there's so much more we could do as a state, as a country, as a county. And, you know, I applaud my colleagues for supporting that. And some of that stuff is preventable, I think I don't know if it was one of the councilmembers and one of the speakers said, you know, when you have someone who is at risk, we should do whatever we can to make sure that person doesn't have access to a gun, because that's the leading the leading tool of suicide. I must try to spit this out. You know, I think we all have, you know, instances where we've been touched by by this situation. And, you know, when I was growing up, we moved when I was in fifth grade or sixth grade. Sorry. And, you know, adjusting to a new school at that age is not an easy thing. And, you know, I was able to meet a friend and, you know, a really good friend. And, you know, we stayed best friends for a long time. You know, we went to different junior high schools and we still were friends and played pickup baseball, you know, every day in the summer. And we had a different high schools still were best friends, you know, hung out all the time, chatted, did all that stuff. We, you know, I went to college. He went to the Navy. But still, you know, my first vacation I went to, you know, D.C. and, you know, not with my friend Joe. And, you know, a second vacation went to Hawaii because he was stationed at Pearl Harbor and. You know, we used to joke because we were born like 13 days apart from each other. And first time I got married, you know, we were married like two weeks apart from each other. And we joke that, well, we'll probably die two weeks apart from each other. So one of us thought the survivor should be careful, but that was not to be. Because, you know, ten years ago, his mom called me and said that on Christmas morning, he walked out of a mental facility, mental health facility in Virginia and then a bullet through his head. So he had mental health issues through serving in the military and PTSD and all the stuff he saw that I'll never see or never even understand or hope to see. So. From that day on. You know, I can't control military. I can't control PTSD. I you know, I made a vow to do whatever I can. And this is just a small thing I think that I can do to keep guns out of people who are who are thinking of committing suicide. And it could be as simple as, you know, sending out emails through the school channels or sending out a mail piece that, you know, talks about what to look for or putting a sign up at Big Five that says if you're suicidal, here's a help debt or here's some resources, anything, something to help. But, you know, I think that's something we should, you know, prioritize and work on. And I kind of had a conclusion, but I lost it right now. So, uh. Oh, yeah. No, that's the last thing I wanted to say. I mean. I remember working on this when we worked in the state, and we would we would go visit schools in Oakland and second and third grade. We would ask the students, how many of you been affected by gun violence and expecting to have a few hands raised, you know, in the upper grades, it's every hand. Every hand goes up. And in the lower grades, it's almost every hand. To me, that's not acceptable. And I applaud this council. I applaud this community. I applaud all of the volunteer workers, the staff, Alameda, the people that are, you know, taking a stand, the kids that are doing things that I would have never expected to do when I was your age. I just applaud all that. And we're listening to you. So keep holding us accountable. Thank you, Councilman Rudy. Vice Mayor. Not quite so. I. Thanks for sharing that. I haven't before. So sorry. I'm in my in my list of people that we worked with that I just forgot one person. We worked we had a number of conversations in meetings with the police chief as well. And I just wanted to that was I apologize for for leaving that off my mental list. Thank you. I'm ready. Thank you. Maybe repeat what I said. We worked very closely with the police chief as well, and I wanted to acknowledge that. And I was apologizing for leaving them off. So and I will try to work better at being be better at microphones. You know, I if if and when we get ready for emotion, I think, you know, what I'm hearing is support for moving forward with going through the list. I think we've had some new ideas that have been put forward that I that I would look to add to those, which is includes council member Dave Suggs, kind of what I call sold separately. You know, if guns are going to be sold, they need to be sold separately. They need to be sold out of sight, not at the front desk, etc.. You know, I think we talked a lot about it, but we didn't put it on the list with the funds for, say, for education around safe, safe storage and GV Pro Education. And I would include in that mental health services as well. And then lastly, I think Mr. Coughlin's ban on grandfathered assault weapons, I think would be a very interesting thing for us to consider as well. For me, I think it sounds like there's a lot of interest on the Council for moving forward with prioritizing a safe some safe storage, the safe storage portion of this. And I know Giffords and a number of cities have done this. You know, that strikes me, as, you know, slightly low hanging fruit. And so I would like to see that be prioritized. I would like to see the training for gun ownership. If you're going to own a gun, you should be going through required recurring training. In our discussions with some of the groups that look into these things, they feel that that is something that can be there that probably would survive challenge if done properly. And that would be something that that nobody is doing right now. But again, we know that guns are we cannot get rid of guns right now. That is not within our city's purview. But what we can do is make sure that if you have a gun, you are doing everything you can to show that you are up to date on the law. As you're up to date on how to store it, you are up to date on what is required of you as a upstanding member of society in holding these holding these guns in our community. And then lastly, you know, we continue to hear concerns about Big Five. And I would like to I feel that there is some work we can do borrowing from other communities to make sure that as they are selling guns, they are legally allowed to do that we are videotaping them that they are keeping, you know, that they are open for audit and we can make sure that the sales that are happening are being done legally, etc.. That's under the fourth, fourth item. I'd like to see those three along with the funds for safe storage, which I don't think is something that goes to the Legal Council, but that goes probably to the city manager's office for consideration on how we might come back during the budget revised with with something like that. I will say that I have spoken to a number of the school board members to a number of their staff. I think we have very strong partners who are looking for partnership there. And the education that we're doing that that we would probably look to do would be done very done in partnership with that. So anyway, I'd, I'd like to make that a motion, but I'd like to see what people think about the prioritization before I do. Okay. Councilmember Avella. And so I. Have. I'm in complete agreement. I would say it's not geared at Big Five, it's geared at anybody who would even apply to sell guns here. That that is a just a general rule, but certainly Big Five is operating right now. And I think the video recording, seeing if we can separate out or somehow address the display of the weapons, that sort of thing. Um, I do want to add on the, on the safe training. Not all training is the same. And there has been a lot of studies about what is addressed during training. And I want to be very clear that the training that I would like to see would include or should include and covered the risk of guns and alcohol. The risks of abuse with suicide and domestic violence and the need for safe storage. Because these things go hand in hand and not all trainings cover that. In fact, I've gone through several trainings back when I was in law school and working interning at the district attorney's office and none of our trainings and this was at a district attorney's office covered any of those items. And I'm in the legal profession, as are several of my colleagues. We have to get training regularly about substance abuse and the risks associated with it as it connects with our profession. And I think having something connected to the licensing around the potential for abuse because studies show that it is higher. I also have a concern and it's not I do want training to be a requirement, by the way. I want that to be very clear and regular training. And not just that they own it, but but actual proof that they've gone through it. But there was a study that was done that showed that like something like 90% of the trainings conducted that were conducted, actually, the trainers advocated for gun carrying and gun ownership and encouraged it. And so if there's some way that we can address that to, you know, in terms of. Not including that in the training, at least the trainings that are offered if there are trainings offered in Alameda. Or that the city puts on. And then I do think that there's we are not doing enough for mental health. We are not doing enough in terms of letting people know what resources are out there and tracking that. And I do think that we need to have more information available about what folks can do if they need help. And I think having that information available at any vendor for anybody who's selling guns in the city is very important. Thank you. If I could just ask a clarifying question, Councilmember Villa. Who? I mean, this is to everyone who suggested. Who do. You contemplate conducting the training? I'm not asking that our police conduct the training, but I do think that if there's a way for us to kind of if there's a list of like these are. You know, approved places for training or places that we can refer people to. I think if we're requiring training, we're going to need to provide people with places that they can actually go get trained. And I would like to vet what that training includes because like I said, I think that training that doesn't include the first three things is not going to be helpful for our purposes. Okay. And so perhaps before I call on the vice mayor, perhaps that something the police chief I'm also not asking the department, but the police chief might be able to direct staff to. I mean, I don't know. But who who does that sort of training. But they'd be in a better. Do you want to come up and speak? Come on. It. What might be too strong a verb, but. I. Feel like I should have my name up there with 9 minutes because I've been up here so much. Um, so just briefly, we the training, I appreciate you saying not the police department, because I nodded my head. No. The training that we receive is is all geared towards law enforcement specific training. And I don't think that's what we're talking about here. And to your point, Mayor, there are lots of private entities that do it, some better than others. And as Councilmember pointed out, there are different levels of training. Some people think that gun safety involves being able to have good marksmanship, other people at safe storage, children, alcohol, mental health and whatnot. So, I mean, I'd be happy to try to support, um, you know, vetting maybe some trainers administratively. But I don't think that, that, that responsibility would really best lie with the police department. I think it would be somewhere else. Yeah. And then, um, and there's other things, you know, just briefly to, to consider. I mean, they're two former members of this council who sat at that day. Your dais in my career took their lives with guns. Mm hmm. Right. I mean, this is. This is an everybody problem. Um. Mental health, terminal illness. Criminal intent, domestic violence. It's it's an everybody problem. And most of the people in this room don't remember. But I do because I was here we actually had a shooting at Alameda High School when I was in the eighth grade. And fortunately, nobody was killed or seriously injured. But, um, it can happen anywhere. So, uh, I. We're happy to support that any way we can. I think the safe storage stuff I've met with Safe Alameda a few times and I'm happy to support that in every way we can. And, um, but I do think we will have to do some expectation setting because the enforcement of that piece would only really come to our attention after there was a problem. We can't just go into people's homes and make sure that they're storing their guns safely or even ask them if they have guns. Um, so there's, there's some issues there that we'd have to work out depending on which direction this all goes. So that's it. Thank you. Thank you, Chief. I'm Vice Mayor. So from from my standpoint, I've talked a little bit with with staff about this. So there are there are trainings currently that you must have in order to buy a gun. It's a fairly low bar. It's good for five years. And when you're done with it, you don't need to need to have it updated. My, my my assumption would be that in sending this back to staff, that they would identify a way for us to identify what is a meaningful training. I think we would give some I appreciate the guidance Councilmember Vela has spelled out specifically. I think that that's all very good. And also, I you know, I don't think we're going to be going in at least at the beginning. Who knows where we are 20 years from now. But I don't think we're going to go knocking on doors and asking people for that. I agree. It's probably at the end of the day after the fact, but there might be additional liability or something like that that's done. And I would expect that that would be kind of the in bringing something back that would be the job of staff to help us understand how to do it. Okay. Um, no, I'm sorry. I've closed public comment. I'm no, I'm sorry, I've closed public comment. Now the council is is deliberating. Councilmember Odie. I know my time is up, but can I just add a few more comments? So. I concur with pretty much everything that was said up here. You know, we did add that tax idea has as a as an option like an excise tax on anything sold here. I mean, granted, if people if they stop selling in Alameda, we won't have that that source of revenue. But, you know, that's something to think about as a funding source, whether we, you know, have staff members do it or bring in some outside person to do whatever any of these enforcement things. And I think there was a discussion about, you know, some type of nominal fee. So, I mean, those are things that, you know, I don't know if they're how legal they are. I don't know how feasible they are. I don't know how much money they would raise. But, you know, in an analysis, that would be something to come back with. And then to the other point, if some of these things turn out that were preempted, you know, like maybe some of these ideas about possession, you know, it would, I think, prioritizing, you know, lobbying the folks that can change the law that we're preempted from changing, you know, would also be something that I would like to see prioritize. If it's something we can't do and we all feel that there's a need for additional regulation in those areas. So my and I do want to hear the motion fashioned. I, I would favor what we can do to focus strongly on the mental health aspect of letting people know. And it could be youth and adults that, you know, these are the resources that are out there. Don't use a gun. I think we have to we have to be pretty frank about discussing that. But again, I'm not sure what how how you would start that then the excise tax. And that's certainly a way to generate revenue. It would require a ballot measure because it's a tax and it would require a two thirds majority. And I'd say you wouldn't get it, but it's not instantaneous. But okay. Who? I feel like vice mayor and Councilmember Vela had sort of the the outlines of a motion. And so do you want to just articulate. If you're okay, I'll I'll try to take notes while you were talking. So I would I would move that. We ask staff to begin work on bringing back actions for the council to adopt on the entire list that was presented to us tonight and and actions can be we recommend you don't do this because but but you know we need to but let's let's start working our way through this list that we add to the retail aspect of this the including a sold separately condition. If you're going to sell guns in here, you're going to you're going to sell them in a I don't want to call it family friendly, but less family threatening manner . You know, funds for identifying, funds for safe storage, grow education and mental health services. Tell me again what the acronym stands for. Gun Violence Restraining Order Words. Yes, I'm just going to so so making sure that people know what tools we have available and also doing the outreach to to help folks that we prioritize the strict liability insurance issue, but that we actually follow San Jose's lead because they are doing a lot of work. So we might be in touch with them and be ready to act when they are ready to act. But we don't need to duplicate efforts that are being done by a. Question question under strict liability. Explain what that's meant to accomplish. I'm sure there are strict liability in life that they're doing two different things. Yeah. Are you talking about. I did. San Jose, I think San Jose. They want to impose a rule that if you own a gun, you have to have additional liability insurance. So that's kind of kind of cutting edge. Cutting edge. I think the strict liability was that if a gun is later used in a crime and it was lost or stolen and the person that owned it didn't like reported within the required time frame, then they would be liable for damages. And if they you know, if they did report it like they're supposed to and a lot of people do, then, you know, they don't have that, you know, liability. So on the liability insurance that San Jose is doing, what is that meant to prevent. Or. Is it maybe someone buying a gun to begin with? You know what the intent is. Oh. This would be my speculation, but I would think if you think you're going to be on the hook for a financial penalty, you might be more responsible with, you know, your storage or ownership. I mean, even if you were going to use that gun to end your own life. I mean, I have high regard for the city of San Jose. They're tackling a lot of challenging issues. I just want to make sure we're a smaller city, definitely a smaller staff. So but I guess staff can tell us where in the hierarchy that might fall. Councilor Rudy, I'm sorry to interrupt, but to your point, I mean, that's why I think we were hoping to, you know, not really go out in front of San Jose, but just kind of see what what they do and protest. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then adding also for for staff, consider consideration the banning of grandfathered assault weapons. And then in terms of prioritizing, it would be prioritizing safe storage, prioritizing the training for and this would be in the order I would go in. Right. So I think there's kind of three legal ones and one funding and education, one which I see being done in different places. But of course, staff will break it out the way they like. Number two would be training for gun ownership recurring every five years. That includes the risk of guns and alcohol, the risk of guns related to suicide and domestic violence, and how you know, what the requirements are for safe storage and training on how to use those things so that people understand that. Lastly, would be the retailer sales component and then that the funding and education program as outlined. So my motion would be to move on those. Councilmember Ody. And I would add, you know, reaching out to the school district for potential partnership opportunities because there may be an opportunity for, you know, hypothetically for the city to, you know, pay for the production of some type of graphic. But the school district that has a distribution system electronically, too, it doesn't cost anything, you know, to be to assist with distributing that. So that's I meant that is inferred, but yes, absolutely. And my. Motion. Artist had a thought that on training that, you know, there's such a thing as webinars and videos and that I mean, it could we could run a whole gamut of possibilities, but that can be looked into. Councilmember Vela, anything to add? Okay. Councilmember de SAG. I appreciate the comment that our Chief of police, Paul Woolery, in referencing the passing of former colleagues on council. And I think for that reason, I think there's a special imperative for the city of Alameda to pursue mental health matters as well. It was sad, for sure. Thank you. So we have a motion by Vice Mayor Knox Waite, seconded by Councilmember Odie Flanagan. Okay. Okay. That's good to sign. Off on this. All right. Councilmember Vela, seconded. All in favor. I. Okay. Well, then, everyone, thank you all for coming and for your time. No, please. We respect our rule. We're going to try and move. We moved you all to the top of the agenda. But now I've got a few other items. But thank you all for coming. And this discussion is ongoing. You keep up your good work, too. Thank you, students, for coming. Okay, everybody, we are now going on to is the museum item ready? Do we have a speaker? Thank you, Amy. Okay. All right. We are going to. Thanks, everybody. We're going to move now to item six, a. Recommendation to receive an annual report on the Alameda Museum archival on behalf of the city.