Recommendation to request City Manager to develop a plan to allow restaurant and other related service industry parklets and outdoor dining spaces to remain open beyond June 30, 2021 program expiration date. Such plan should include community outreach to residents, Business Improvement Districts and other stakeholders and create options for both extensions and permanent parklet structures.
Thank you. We're going to go ahead and do item 23, please. Item 23 Communication from Mia Garcia, Councilwoman Allen. Councilwoman Mango Councilman Austin and Vice Mayor Richardson. Recommendation to request City Manager to develop a plan to allow restaurant and other related service industry parklets and outdoor dining spaces to remain open beyond June 30th, 2021. Thank you. I'm going to go ahead and start. And I want to first just especially thank Councilman Allen, Councilman Mongo, Councilman Austin and Vice Mayor Richardson for co-sponsoring the legislation that we have in front of us. And more broadly speaking, of course, other members of the council that have been very supportive of our open streets as well as our broader parklet outdoor dining program. What I really wanted to bring forward was we all know that the city, a date for the end of our current program is weeks away. So towards the end of next month, what we have in front of us, I think we all are aware, is a wildly successful outdoor dining program has been implemented across the city early on when the pandemic hit and there was an opportunity to do the outdoor dining. This council stepped right in and did the right thing and really providing a lifeline for restaurants to be able to operate outdoors in a way that was safe. And they would also bring in folks so that they felt comfortable eating and spending their time. And the resources at these restaurants. And the economic impact to restaurants has been devastating. I think we all know that there has been a huge amount of loss for all of our restaurants. Our restaurants and our food and beverage economy is one of the strong, strongest in our city. And I think all of us know also so many servers and cooks and restaurant restauranteurs that make up our community. And many of them, of course, live in our neighborhoods as we kind of pull out of this pandemic. We still have a lot of folks that feel more comfortable eating outside, regardless of the ability of restaurants being open. I know folks that will not eat indoors right now. They still want to eat outdoors. And I know that a lot of folks feel that for them that's what works. And in addition to that, I have talked to countless residents. Endless residents that stop me and say, we love the outdoor patios, please keep them. I discovered restaurants that I never had discovered before. I'll just give one example. I think all of us probably love five, five, five is one of the great steak houses and restaurants in our city. We talked to the managers there or some of the waitstaff. They'll tell you that they've they've brought in a whole new clientele and group of folks that had never been to the restaurant inside. But because they have a strong outdoor options, they are now there and it's brought in a different group of people to enjoy that place. And that's happening in restaurants all across the city. New folks are discovering restaurants because of the strengthened outdoor pilot program that we've had with with diners. Now, as a reminder. Parklets aren't new. In Long Beach, we had them before the pandemic. We didn't have as many as we have now, but they have been active and there is a parklet, permanent parklet process that the city has established for for restaurants or coffee shops to to build permanent parklets. And what I really want to make sure that we do with this motion is that first we have staff with the authority to provide a extension so that we have an extension beyond the June 30th date. And I've talked to staff and I'll share a question of time in a minute. Mr. MODICA What that could look like and then as an extension is put in place, is really create a more permanent process for the parklets that once they permit and to be clear, not every parklet once one wants to stay permanent and not every parklet may work in the locations that they're in. There's some traffic concerns there. It needs to be conversations with the bid's, with the neighborhoods. So we understand that there has to be a process in place. But my personal opinion is that as many parklets that want to stay permanent should be allowed to stay in place. And of course, we I think they have been a huge benefit to the residents and those businesses. And so I would love to see staff work with these restaurant owners directly and ensure that we're able to keep as many of these as possible. Now, separate of that, we also have an Open Streets program, and we know that many of these open street programs are when the closure of the streets are, many of those will probably will likely end at some point in the future. And I've heard from some from a lot of restaurant owners that they're ready to reopen their street. And but but some want to keep a parklet or want to expand their sidewalk dining. And so as part of this motion, I think we obviously want to we want to treat each parklet as an individual a request. So we want staff to go to each to talk to each park, look at what may work in one place, may not work in another. We want to make sure that we're also looking at creative options. It's parklet. Maybe some folks want to do an extension of the sidewalk dining. I've seen some restaurants in Bixby Nose and in downtown where they just been able to add a few more chairs or tables outside on the street. That's giving them the ability to continue to continue on. We should be lenient and provide an additional space for those folks to do those those types of of additional services on the sidewalk. And of course, I want to make sure that we're doing outreach to residents, to the beds, to the stakeholders so that we can have creative solutions. We want to have a process that is easy and that business owners feel comfortable going through and navigating so that we can hopefully make some of these permanent where it were. It may work to make them permanent. So Mr. Modica, with that, I might have some questions in a minute, but I do want to turn this over to some of the folks that have been in May the motion or report part of this process. So I have a motion by Councilwoman Allen. And with that, let me turn it over to her. Okay, great. Thank you, Mayor. And thank you for bringing this item forward or two. And also just for your leadership over the past year in supporting our businesses. I was so proud to sign on. I've heard from so many business owners and patrons about how much they love the parklets, just like so many of you. They absolutely love and I. And I love. I love it, too. I also want you to know that I have had the opportunity just to visit so many of these businesses, knocking on their doors and talking to them personally. And I just want to give a message to staff from now. I mean, they they thank you all so much. I mean, you created a lifeline for these businesses and some really tough days early in this pandemic. And this was a lifeline that they needed so desperately. You acted quickly and it served just such a great purpose. And you really helped their businesses and they were so grateful. So I just want to deliver that message to our two staff. And I also know that, you know, extending the parklets, you know, it gives it gives continues to give these businesses, you know, opportunity to recoup their losses. And for those that want to keep this permanent, it gives them an opportunity to get their application in. I think it's also important that we hear from our constituents and each of the neighborhood and the business districts and that we take into account, you know, all the safety considerations of our city engineer as we move from the temporary to the permanent parklets. And with regards to the open streets. I also talked to every single business I know online. And regarding that that that that closed street and the majority of those do want that open up again there. They're they're very grateful for the opportunity. But it's it's it's they they say they would like to see that opened up. I know I'm grateful that my partner, the DBA, is currently doing a survey for Open Streets. And so I think it's important that we listen to the stakeholders and their their opinion is going to be important . And just working collaboratively and listening to our our constituents is as key. So thank you, Mayor, again, for for your leadership on this. I do have a question. So moving forward from the temporary parklets and as people make an application, there are going to be businesses that are not going to qualify for a permanent park. Parklet Is that correct? Yes. So we love the Parklet program. We think that is one of the shining examples of how this city and this council and mayor all reacted very quickly to support our businesses that we had dozens of them spring up literally within a week. Our staff were out there just creating these. But we also just put them in the places because the need was really to get people outdoors. In some areas, they are not. You know, there are some safety concerns. They may be over a storm drain, for example. They may be over a gas line. They may be in an area where the traffic engineer long term has some safety concerns. So we've informally looked at it. We think probably around 70% or more are eligible to go through the permanent process and have some modifications. But there are some that would not qualify and we would be working through those are looking at other options, maybe some sidewalk dining or other things that would be available. And one last question. So for those that do qualify, then they would have to follow the current design guidelines that are in place. And then I also want to ask you. So those guidelines that are in place as design guidelines, have those been updated or have any you know, we never expected to have these these parklets, but I'm glad we did and I love it. But are those going to be modified in any way or do they need to be? So Long Beach was one of the very first in the state of California to create Parklets for commercial use. The idea started in up in North in San Francisco as a parklet as a way to create open space, but not for any type of public use or private use like restaurants and things. Long Beach was one of the first to introduce that, and we started getting a number of people interested in 2018 after we had had a couple under our belt, couple of years under our belt, we decided to really create some very strong standards, design guidelines, a very easy to follow direction, directions on how you can create parklets . So that is a pretty robust document that's available. We're willing to look at it if there's things that now don't make sense or have changed in COVID. But we think we have a really good foundation to work from right now. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. And Mr. Monica, let's make sure as we start this program to review those that parklet can a process that we have the way to simplify it, we can we can do that the before I go to the seconder of the motion and then I want to go to public comment. And I have I would like to speak to Mr. Monica on the extension. I know I had asked you this, but what would your recommendation be for the extension as we work on this program? Yes. So I think we would recommend a three month extension beyond June 30th that we would get a through summer, which would be at the end of September. We would then during that time do lots of outreach. We'd go to the bids. We talked to everyone who's got a permit, and we would also then ask them to indicate whether they are interested in becoming permanent. They can apply right now if they want, but we realize a lot don't have the funding available or they need to recoup some losses. I do want to make sure, though, that we're heading people towards a permanent parklet, both for safety reasons but also for esthetic reasons. A lot of the ones that are out there right now are not. They were done on an emergency basis. They don't have the final materials. So we would want to do till September 30th. And if then we have people in the pipeline that are really working on getting it permanent, we'd be comfortable, you know, doing a transition as we move towards the permanent one and then sunsetting the ones that are not you're not interested in moving forward. Okay. So your recommendation would be the October one would be the end essentially of that of the of the extension. And then the goal would be, of course, to do a permanent process so that by then we've established this permanent process that folks have gone through, correct? Yes. So the permanent process exists now, but we would ask them to have filed everything to be working, or at least by October one, make significant progress towards making it permanent. And then, of course, if they need more time, we would work with them. And I want to make sure also, Mr. Modica, that it's not that we just don't treat this like any other part of the process, but we are. I mean, these folks have had dramatic impacts to their operations. And so I know we've had a lot of challenges in making sure that planning is is is up to speed and that we have our full development services team is at full speed. So I want to make sure that getting folks to permanency, which is certainly what I'd like to see and I think what you're hearing from probably here from council members should be prioritized so that these folks are, you know, come some time, you know, come September one, I'm going, oh my gosh, I've only got a few weeks to go and there's no one to help me or or I've been put, you know, to the bottom of some pile. And so I just want to make sure that we are kind of treating this as a very specialized program to get these folks to their permanent parklets, which I think have been a huge benefit to the city and to the restaurants. Let me go to the to the. So thank you for that. So I agree, Councilman Allen, I just part of the motion then will be that September, October I'm sorry, the October 1st and date. Are you okay with that? Councilman Allen? Yes, absolutely. Okay. Then the second of the motion is Vice Mayor Richardson. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I'm in. I'll be brief. I think that you know what we what to in them present. It was actually an opportunity to double down on things we already committed to. It aligns with our vision for active transportation. It helps us reimagine our communities to have more walkable, vibrant communities while at the same time making businesses more vibrant. I'll give you an example. You know, we a years ago, we didn't have any businesses in my district with patio dining. And it took a lot major investments to get just one barbecue, extended the sidewalk. But just through this pandemic, what we saw was it became a matter of, you know, whether your business survives or not. And people came outside and they closed off their street and and it ended up being being a success. So I think that this is something that obviously I always will say we should defer to those local neighborhoods on what's right for them. But if there's a process that we can put in place that allows businesses and neighborhoods to accelerate their their path toward active transportation and other things in a more walkable community, I support that . I see this as my my strong support to continue this. I think we also need to be thinking about people's tolerance for going indoors. Everyone has a different comfort level for how they reemerge into the reopening. And I think we just have to acknowledge that we've got to rethink open space in general curbs, sidewalks, bike lanes, all of those things. This isn't going to stop. We're going to have to start designing more patio dining, more use of the sidewalk, wider sidewalks, the things that we've been committed to. I think this is an opportunity to accelerate. So this this item, I was proud to sign on to it. Thank you, Mayor Garcia. And I know this is incredibly important to note that in many of our businesses, it's incredibly important. So I'm proud to add my name to this. Thanks. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Madam Court. We're going to go with that. I think we have a couple of public comment and then we'll go back to the council. And then we've got Councilman Austin when we come back. Alex Trebek. Please begin. Thank you, Mayor. Members of City Council Alex Charron, representing the Long Beach Restaurant Association. We sent a letter earlier voicing our strong support for the site, and we want to thank the mayor for his leadership and the council members for their engagement. Also want to thank very much John Kyser and the economic development team for engaging with the borough and our various members. All hundred plus are extremely supportive of the continuance of the park with the program. I think it's been an unintended consequence and benefit of the pandemic and I think the response from citizens throughout the city of Long Beach has been that they want to keep them as long as possible. We would offer selves up and our members obviously as a resource to city staff as they work through designing and implementing a final structure for the PARKLET program on a permanent basis. And again, thank you, Mayor, council members, city staff for your leadership, very strongly supportive on behalf of the library. Thank you. That concludes further comment. Thank you, Mr. Clarke. Come to more often. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I agree with all of the points that have been raised thus far. I want to give a special shout out. Thank you, obviously, to you, Mr. Mayor, for your leadership. But I want to thank the hardworking crews for our public works team who really have stepped up in action and made many of these open streets and parklet programs successful. I'm show that we are flexible, we are adaptable, and we can adjust for the moment. And it's really, I think, a credit to our city management or our public works department for really responding quickly. Now, I wish I know there are some businesses and folks in my community in Bixby, those who would have said the bit, but it should have gone a little bit quicker. But understanding the scope of the city, I think they did a really good job in responding to the moment. I'm going to speak in favor of this motion on this item. Certainly I will support extending and maintaining our parklets that are existing at least through the summer. We have great weather for outdoor dining and I think we need to smooth back into our reopening. And as somebody mentioned, be sensitive to the comfort levels of, you know, the consumers there. And then sidewalk dining, I think, is also very, very important to continue as well. And so I certainly hope this motion will contain that. I would like to if there's one thing that I've heard from my constituents in my businesses. Because that I think this open streets and parklets would even be more appealing if we were to to pay a lot more attention to the esthetics. Right. And so as we move forward, I think we're now beyond a temporary kind of solution we need. And those businesses that are looking toward permanence for parklets, there needs to be standards in place. But they have to look good, right? I think that's also important. It can't just be construction corrals and and, you know, orange and white. The corrals we want, we want we want we want the best. And we want our business districts. We want our our businesses to succeed. And the best way to do that is, is with the, I think, parklets and that look good signage that looks good. And so I would just ask that to think about the quality of these parklets what they look like and how they really, really complement the character of the business districts and communities in which they are in . And, you know, I believe that these parklets should also be extended as a piece of regular operating business. Right. They should. As long as a restaurant is open, their parklets should be able to be operational as well. And so I would hope that we're considering giving that to consideration as well. And then I would just obviously announce it's been in the news. We had to make some some significant adjustments to improve traffic and mitigate traffic for Bixby nose area. We're going to go back to business as usual with that. But our parklets and sidewalk dining, I've heard overwhelmingly from our residents as well as our businesses that they want to keep that in place. And so I'm happy to support this and glad we're having this opportunity to extend this for our businesses that really need us at this point. Thank you. Thank you, councilman. Councilman, Mango. Thank you, Mayor. I appreciate this item. I think it's a great direction. I completely agree that the esthetics are a huge component as we move forward. I think it's also important for us to be more strategic at the end of this. So two parts. One is, yes, it's important to prioritize this program. I think we should come in with a program that kind of has an open date for a window where we accept in all the applications and process them. But I think it's also really poignant that there are a lot of individuals in construction right now, whether they're doing home construction or commercial improvements that have been waiting 8 to 10 weeks to get their plans approved. And I appreciate Mr. Orsi is a. Extreme. Commitment to getting that timeline back in order. And I know we just started accepting people at City Hall this week, but I want to both prioritize this while not allowing for any additional delays on behalf of those that are waiting because type of message both for them and those that would like to get back to work . There was a discussion about a roofing permit that was delayed for weeks. So I appreciate that the source is getting to that and I do want to prioritize this while also maintaining the progress that we've been making with the development services progress. Second, at the end of September 30th, when we have completed this project and we say everyone who's requested an outdoor space has received one. I think there's some value in going back to what Mr. Richardson said, which was there are areas across our city that could benefit from this that maybe didn't even realize it. And I'd love to see a strategy across the city, at least for an open parklet summer program in places that have not explored it before with landlords that have not seen this as an option. So I just want to put that in the ear of staff that as we move forward, we kind of think citywide about the opportunities available to us and as we make these big changes. So great item, great work and I look forward to seeing what comes of it. Thank you. The Councilwoman Price. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I appreciate that this item was brought forth, and I appreciate the opportunity to comment on it. I think that our temporary emergency PARKLET program has been very important in helping our local businesses during the intense difficulties of COVID 19. I think that the city demonstrated true leadership and in the urgency with which we implemented this program. And I think that's fantastic because I know there's numerous businesses that would have absolutely gone, gone bankrupt and not been able to function had we not been able to offer this alternative. I do think that as we're thinking about the city wide approach, we consider the various differences in our business corridors and the neighborhoods where parklets are present. And that's why the experiences of my colleagues who have parklets in residential neighborhoods has been particularly interesting to me. I've been talking with them about it because the impacts to some of the neighborhoods simply can't be mitigated where there are parklets available or currently in existence. And also in talking with our traffic engineer, there are significant issues with traffic safety. Not all of the streets in the city are the same with not all traffic speeds are the same, not all volume on the streets where parklets are the same, and all neighborhoods that have residents living close to Parklets will have some impacts to the community as a result. So I'd like to offer a friendly to Councilwoman Allen that this item and actually before I do that for clarification, would it be to extend whatever businesses are currently operating parklets until October. Yes. So we would recommend that we would extend what we call our entirety of our Open Streets program until October. And there is really three components to October Open Streets, there's the actual open street like Pine or Atlantic, and those are really governed by the businesses. If they you know, they're going through surveys right now and they man by Atlantic is going to be going back but and pine is under evaluation. There's then parklets and then there's the ops and I can talk about that a little bit more later, but we would imagine that all of those would be able to be extended through September 30th, ending October 1st. Okay. So my, my friendly would be to have that extension be customized kind of going on to the mayor's points based on the neighborhoods and the specific impacts to the neighborhoods. For example, some of the businesses that were given Parklets in Belmont sure aren't even restaurants. We have a realtor who was given a parklet, and that takes up 2 to 3 parking spots. So I want to make sure that we have an opportunity to reevaluate that before we automatically extend. And also, I want to have the opportunity to speak to our traffic engineer. So my understanding is that we've had five accidents, vehicle accidents into Parklets and two of those have been in Belmont Short. Thankfully, no one got hurt, but those collisions did take out two parklets completely. One of them was in front of the business I own on Second Street, so I want to make sure that the extension and any future PARKLET program be customized so that it's not a one size fits all for the entire city, and that we can look into things like traffic impacts and parking impacts. We've lost over 150 parking spots in Belmont Shaw, which is now presenting a major stress on the retail businesses there, as well as the residents. So like I said, some of those parklets aren't even restaurants and may not need to be a parklet and I don't want to have an automatic extension. So I'm I'm asking for some customization in that front. And so my motion was that everyone would automatically get an automatic extension. And then those they have the opportunity to apply for permanent and that would go to October. Okay. So my friendly would be that it wouldn't be an automatic extension that we'd have the opportunity to look at the impacts to different neighborhoods before an automatic extension is given. Yeah, I know. My motion is for an automatic extension. Okay. Then I'll make a substitute motion and request that we have some customization in regards to the extension program. Okay. Because the councilwoman. So just saw what's the substitute official even. The substitute motion is that in regards to the extension of the pilot or the extension of the emergency parklet program, that city staff be given the opportunity to work with individual council offices to determine which parklets are extended based on traffic concerns and parking impacts and other neighborhood impacts to that particular community. Okay. That's a substitute. Is there a second on the substitute? They're also second. It is the second by customer Superman. Let me keep going through the list of books. Councilman's and Dan's. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to thank you very, very much for bringing this item forward. I think that this has been a life saver for many of our businesses here, especially in my district. I also wanted to thank all of the businesses who have been thinking outside of the box as well and have been able to provide this kind of environment for their customers. I think that that was maybe a very risky, you know, call for them. But they but they actually did it. And I think that it speaks very highly of our city staff and the devotion that they have towards our businesses, especially our restaurants, during these very difficult times. I hope that this motion will will not only continue to expand the PARKLETS, but also expand opportunities for our outdoor dining. And as we move forward, I think that's very important. We we cannot diminish the role that they have played in allowing us to keep restaurants and service and be able to save not all jobs, but at least some jobs across our city, which is very important as a member of our downtown community. I can speak to the impact that they have had on the quality of life, and I just love the feeling of still being part of a vibrant, active city, even in the midst of such a difficult, challenging time. I know that there have been many challenges along the way, and especially as someone who uses a wheelchair, it's important to me that we continue to maintain access to our sidewalks and public right of way where parklets are being used. And with that said, I think that the extending this program through October 1st is the right thing to do and will give our parties the ability to plan for longer term and address the issues in ways that move us in a sustainable way for these restaurants. I know that I have spoken to a lot of business owners in my district that have invested in the Parklets and they have really, really enjoyed being able to welcome their customers in their parklets. And like it was said before, you said, Mr. Mayor, that it has also brought in additional customers that would never probably frequent that restaurant because it was outside. It gave them the opportunity. So I just want to say thank you for this. And I'm really, really excited because I do think that these parklets will definitely, you know, bring so much more to our to our city. The quality and safety and convenience for everyone is important, especially right now, as our businesses recover from this COVID pandemic. So we really need to focus on on helping them recover and succeed. But most importantly, we really need to help our small businesses, our restaurants thrive from here on out. So thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Supernova. Thank you. We have just a handful of parklets in the fourth Council District and actually two of them on the Anaheim corridor in this area, business district have closed down. They're ready to go back indoors and they volunteer literally to shut them down. My concern, my support for the second is that I'm not sure where stakeholders would have a voice if this is just automatically move forward where you get an extension of 90 days. I'm not sure if there's a process in place where some of the unintended consequences, there's a port or someplace that the public can take that maybe Mr. Modica has something in mind. If so, if he if he could explain that. So that that's the spirit of the the second and why I'm supporting it is that we need to have some some point other than specifically the council office because these parklets didn't go through the council office. They basically the application goes to special events and that's who administers all this. So. Mr. Modica, do you have any way that the stakeholders could either have a protest or at least voice the issues? And secondly, to Councilman Austin's point, I think esthetics are incredibly important on this. And but I would add that it has to be a balance, has to be esthetics, safety and ADA access or ADA compliance are the keys. Those three keys. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Zubrin. Yes. Those are some good questions. I'll try to answer those. I think we definitely can build in some community outreach process. I think with extra time, that becomes a little bit more robust. So if we're looking and trying to make decisions by June 30th about who should get them and who shouldn't. That's only about six weeks away. Additionally, we would need some criteria for the second on how we determine when we come to June 30th who who stays and who gets the automatic extension. I think there's some very valid points that are being brought up by Councilmember Pryce about and especially in some of her areas, are those that's one of our more difficult areas to determine permanent parklets. To be able to really look at what would need to be permanent and the and the permanent impacts of that on parking, on residents, on retail and others. So if we were going to do the substitute, I would need a little bit more direction on how do we make the determination? Is it certain businesses on Second Street, is it all of them or are certain businesses citywide? Or we do the extension and then work on that through the permanent process. So just to complete my thought, so if we're not there, can't get there by June 30th, can we possibly agree to that? There will be some process in place where people can voice an opinion on these. Yes, we can certainly set up a process to do that. Again, the more time there is to create it and have them voice it when then we can, you know, look at that as as we move towards decisions, trying to do all of that by June 30th is going to end and allow enough time and then make those decisions on whether or not to extend them. That's a little tight in thinking. Thank you. Councilwoman Sara. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I also want to thank your leadership on this item as well. I know our restaurant slash hospitality industry has been greatly impacted by COVID and has had to really pivot in order to survive. Many did not make it, including several restaurants and dining business did not survive in my district. But. But I wanted to ask the question, is this item also not us? Is this item to also vote for a plan for us in addition to extending it automatically until October? And then it's a plan to also determine how much it would cost to making a permit and what what the implication would be for it. Right. Yeah. I think I'm, I think I'll, I'll answer that. Mr. maybe Mr. Modica. I know we've been discussing this. The idea would be for staff to create a plan, and the extension would allow staff to create the plan to work with stakeholders, see which ones would work. And obviously if there were parklets that were going to try to apply to be permanent, but for whatever reason, maybe the traffic engineer or the community. There were issues with then, of course, then those parties perhaps would not be allowed to be permanent, depending on what that process was like. But this would just give everyone the time to, to and for staff the will to come up with that process, because there isn't one in place right now. Mr. Marchand, you want to add anything to that? Yes, I think that's exactly what we were looking to do, is to kind of create that and and then be able to gather all the input. So in terms of cost, though, this is typically a full cost recovery. We would expect that the city actually for a year now has been providing all of that for free. So we didn't charge fees. We provided all of the barricades on the public side when it was public access. So there's been a significant amount of public investment, but going forward, those would be cost recovery and the businesses would need to come up with the investment to make it permanent. And so with this also be a time where we could get the stakeholder. I heard a little bit that we would be able to get other input on on the development of this plan. Right, such as that, in reference to Council Member Sabrina's question about engaging feedback on this. Certainly, yes, we could set up a process to gather some more of that input, especially on the individual parklets. I know some of the bids are already doing that work up in Bixby Knolls on Atlantic. That work has already been completed. There's work right now going underway by the Dolby in downtown regarding Pine but also in general. And we would want time to assess that but also give people the ability to give input on a specific one that they might be having challenges with or that they really support. Okay. Thank you. That helps answer my question. And the other is that, you know, I, I also look at these parklet as opportunities for economic recovery and also activating our corridors. And it's one of the challenges I have and I look forward for opportunity to seeing how that could potentially work. And we developed plan in my district as well. So thank you so much. Thank you. Councilman's in Dallas. Thank you, Mayor. And thank you for everyone who's speaking on this as well. One of the things that I wanted to point out is thank you so much, Councilmember Sara, for pointing out that there actually have been a lot of businesses that have not survive. And that continues to break my heart every single day when I see businesses not being able to survive. So one of the things that I think is important is to make sure that we we tailored to those businesses that are really trying their best to to move forward and come out of this. So I would like to make subs to actually, you know, extend the, like the first motion. But maybe what we could do is only extended to the the restaurants that are currently on that on the PARKLET program. So I think that would be good in that way if it's only extended for the PARKLET. And like Councilmember Susie Price said, there's other businesses that maybe can can be looked at separately and that's what my set up would be. Okay. Is there a second on the sub? Sub again, Mr. Mayor? It's taken by Councilman Price. Councilmember. Councilman Price. You. And thank you, Councilwoman Zin de Haas. I'm just really trying to mitigate the impacts here, so I appreciate that said, I do I have a question for city staff. My district much of it and where I think most of the majority of the parklets in the city are in the coastal zone. Would an extension like this be automatic in the coastal zone? Development Services will help us with that. Uh, thank you. Councilwoman Price So depending on tonight's action, we would have those discussions with the Coastal Commission staff. Our current waiver from the Coastal Commission is based on the Governor's order. My understanding is that that order is going to lapse on June 15th, but we're not in possession of any subsequent order or clarifying language from the governor or from the legislature. So we can't predict exactly how the Coastal Commission will respond. But the Coastal Commission would be within their rights if they wished to to revoke our approval on June 16th. And just to add to that, if I will, there's still some lack of clarity there, because we do believe the governor is going to relax the health orders on June 15th, but we're believing that he'll keep the emergency in place through September because that's the federal funding to fund the disaster will go all the way through September . So there may be some nuance there. Got it. Thank you. And Councilman Zander has the only friendly that I would make is when this comes back to us for a permanent parklet program that staff have the opportunity to consider safety issue, traffic safety issues, parking impacts, impacts on other businesses, not restaurants and residents input when considering whether to allow a parklet to go permanent . Thank you. Send it. Thank you. And I appreciate that. And I just I do want to just I know. I hope Carl Hickman's on this call, Carl. The traffic safety concerns that you've that you and I have talked about is is it fair to say that the traffic safety concerns vary by street by street, depending on the with traffic volumes and speeds on the street? Yes, Councilwoman Price, you're exactly right. You know, not all the city's streets are the same. There are buried conditions everywhere. So Parklets in one district may not be the same as the perfect conditions in another. And the ones that are along Second Street and Belmont sure are rather unique. So you're right. We need to look at each individual roadway configuration where the parklets are and help to decide where we're going to allow them in the future to perhaps go to permanent or where they may be come out. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. And I'm going to vote in favor of the extension tonight. I can definitely hear where the votes are. Just want council members to understand. The reason I was asking for customization is I have some serious concerns about traffic safety issues and I wanted our traffic safety team to be involved with, even with the extension in terms of a few of the areas of concern. But I understand where the Council's will is, and I certainly am not going to vote against an item that will allow us to have the opportunity to continue to help our businesses. I just hope that those corrals are solidified and that everyone's taking the best precautions until we get through the extension. So thank you. Thank you, Councilwoman Councilman Mandel. Thank you. And I also think it is appropriate time to bring up an opinion that I know will not be popular among a majority of restaurant owners. But this particular restaurant owner contacted me because they feel as though stating their opinion is so unpopular that it is difficult for them to communicate in restaurant groups. There are restaurants in certain areas that have significantly more square footage than their neighbors. And so while they both benefit from the extension into a parklet like their neighbors do, the more parking spaces that are eliminated from the street also reduces the number of potential customers they feel that they can get. And again, we had some dialog about that. Customers aren't just based on parking, and there's a lot of other things going on in the economy. But I think with a long term vision of alternative modes of transportation to get to these corridors, I think that's really important because there are a lot of facilities that as the economy does reopen, the more parking spaces we take away in parking impacted neighborhoods, the more difficult it will be for them to return and restore to full capacity. And so how we adopt and bring in alternative modes of transportation to support those that pay. Top. Dollar for their space that now is not full and is also something for us to think about long term. So just as it's an opportunity to share their opinion that I think we are here to represent every voice and for those to be heard, I thought just an added to it, but I of course signed on to this item and support it wholeheartedly and just want to make sure that we move forward strategically in recognizing that. I hope that just months from now we will be completely restored and we want to make sure not to move in the direction of alternative transportation that the community has not yet adopted and look at what ways we can help them get there. Thank you. Thank you. Councilman Price. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I also want to confirm one thing is that we're not going to be changing the operating hours at this time for the parklets. Again, I have homes that are located within 100 yards of bars and restaurants, and the operating hours that we've had in Belmont sure have seemed to work out okay. And so I just want to make sure we're not modifying that customization situation. Yeah, I think that's right. I mean. Mr. Monica, would it be would customization happen as they become permanent, passed past the the pilot or should? Yes, that is one area that we did have some customization. And most of the city we did just that with the normal operating hours due to the crowded conditions in Belmont Shore. We had worked on some other I think 10:00 was the it was kind of the consensus for for the Belmont Shore area. Thank you. I think you have Councilman Allen. Yes. So I just wanted to talk on this really a little bit more. I understand what Councilman Price is, and the safety is always a concern for me. And I think that gives us time over until October to evaluate that. I will not support and I will not support only being restaurants. I know the restaurants had a hard time during the pandemic, but there are other businesses that were hit really hard that have parklets. In my district we have gyms, we have nail shops and I don't think I feel I don't support telling them that they don't have 90 days to to to recoup their their losses or even to go through the permanent process of having a permanent parklet. So I don't think that we should be should be telling businesses only restaurants are the only ones that have this this privilege. I think that some of the hardest hit businesses during the pandemic where the gyms, they weren't allowed to open at all where the nail shops and and so that's my concern. And I, I will not see I will not be supporting a motion just to allow only restaurants to have parklets. I'm wondering. Okay. SO Mr.. Mr.. Modica. I think the motion for the motion on the floor is an automatic extension for all restaurants and for non restaurants. Do we have an idea about how many parklets, how many non restaurant parklets there are or open space? I don't know. Mayor. The City Attorney. The motion on the floor is the substitute substitute which limits the Parklet extension to restaurants only. Right now. And my question to you, Mr. Modica, was how many of the current kind of parklets are non restaurants? Yeah, thank you for the question. So we believe there's about ten that are not either restaurants or bars. The vast majority are restaurants are parklets. There's a couple of bars. So that's a question for us, too. When you say restaurants, we're assuming you mean excluding bars, but that would be a clarity. And then there's a couple of barbers, salons and gyms within those ten. I do want to make clear, as I understand, you're talking about the Parklet program, not including those things. There are probably over 200 other businesses that have applied for what we call an occasional event permit, and they are using their own private parking lot in order to do things like a tent outside in the park, which is not normally allowed in your parking lot. We also want to continue that until September 30th and then we'd you know, that does need to eventually go back to normal. But we understand that would not just be restaurants that would still be open to everybody. Okay. And just to clarify, I'll make this clarifications also with customers. And that's it's it's my understanding that the extension is for restaurants and bars due to September 30th. And then if there are there are ten of these parklets that are kind of non restaurants, but also non extensions into the parking lots. Is there a way that we could get to these that we can work with these ten? I want to make sure that are one of the chance to support the broader program but get to what people are looking for. Is there a way maybe Mr. Murray got you to address those ten that are maybe out there that are in this unique spot? So all ten would have the ability to use if they have private area, they could all apply now for an occasional use permit and and be able to use their parking lot. Some might not have that, some might only have a parklet. I just don't have that information in front of us on those ten specific cases. Okay. Well, let's, let's keep the conversation going. I think councilman's in the house or right. As of right now, at this moment, the sub sub is to extend all restaurants and bars until September 30th or October one. And we're still having a conversation about these possible ten businesses. And this includes Tom. So all the businesses that have their their their extensions like like nail salons, I know there are some barbers that have there are going into their parking lots. Those all can still continue beyond the June 30th thing. Correct. That's that's recommendation. Anybody that has the OP would be able to continue to use their parking lot until September 30th, but we don't really have a permanent process for them. Going beyond that really is against the zoning code. So that would need to end in September 30th unless we come up with a brand new program. Okay. And maybe that's something we can look at between now and September 30th and ways of helping those businesses out there. You know, if there's a possibility to provide some resources there, let me just keep going. So we know where the sub sub is right now and we'll just keep going. Vice Mayor Richardson. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Just a couple of things, though. Thanks for clarifying with the EPA. We have way more EPA in the parking lots in North Lobby, so I'm glad to hear that that will continue. But I agree with what you just said. We certainly need to figure out what a solution is between now and then, particularly, you know, is there alignment with the recovery funds to see if we can help them make some of these outdoor patios more permanent? Because I'll tell you, there will still be interest there in terms of I want to be sympathetic to Councilmember Al Allen hadn't thought about the non restaurant operators and I know that there are a few gyms that have gone outside. Those are significant investments. If those were included, if those are included. What is the difference between the main motion and the substitute substitute motion? If the only difference was narrowing it back to businesses. But Mr. Katainen Do you see a difference. In the motion? Vice Mayor. Thank you. Yes. The difference I saw was that the substitute substitute eliminates any parklet, not the overpass, but any parklet that is not a restaurant. And I believe the mayor has added bars. If that was part of the substitute substitute. So bars and or restaurant as Parklets and these other ten that have been mentioned as the number of Parklets would not be able to continue under the substitute substitute under the main motion. All Parklets would continue until that date. So if this narrows, think about ten, ten businesses. I think before we make that decision, we need to understand where they are, who they are, and how they how they feel about this. I don't know that that and I would love to hear it. Whether those ten or not are the are, you know, help advance some of the interests that Councilmember Price mentioned in terms of her subs to motion. We're talking about ten businesses and it's going to make a difference to them. I prefer to make a vote on the main motion. I don't see I'm not hearing an art a compelling argument on by exclude these ten businesses. What I'd love to do is get back, withdraw the substitute motions and get back to the main motion that I think effectively does what I've heard people talk about. And if there are very specific concerns, then we just adjust the main motion to address those very specific concerns. I'm not seeing a big difference between the May motion and the substance substitute, except for the fact that excludes ten businesses that we don't have a lot of information on those businesses. I'm not comfortable I'm not comfortable supporting at all. And those are my comments. I would leave the makers of the book up to figure out what to do, but it seems to me the cleanest thing to do is just get back to the last. Let me just keep going to the queue, Councilman. Mongo. Thank you. I know a little bit more about some of them. And what I've heard from staff is that it would be helpful if potentially we include those gems. Gyms have been closed the longest. They actually were full closures. And so if miss that day is open to a friendly amendment to allow. Gyms and personal services to continue into your friendly. That would be helpful. Councilmember Omar Gonzalez, city attorney. I think the the cleanest way to do it would be to withdraw the substitute substitute and return to the main motion, which would address, I think, the issues identified by Councilmember Allen and the vice mayor and possibly the councilmember for the first District. That would assume, obviously, that you would either vote on or withdraw the substitute motion also, but the main motion would address those issues. Mr. City Attorney, thank you for your input. Unfortunately, it does not address the parklets that are held by office uses and office uses are currently taking up some parklet parking spaces. And so I think that including the barbers and personal care services and other businesses that really can't function on Zoom or WebEx or any of those those office uses is where we were kind of making sure to hit that. And again, this is just sort of context that I'm assuming based on the 30, 90 minute roundtables I sat in with Mr. Keisler over a period of three weeks. I think what Mr. de Haas is looking to accomplish and what Ms.. Allen is looking to accomplish would be possible if what I saw was the sun has not been, but I'd like to hear a verbal option on accepting a friendly to expand her motion to include. Parklets that are not currently used for office uses, so that would be permanent adding personal care services and gyms. And I think that meets the needs of Miss Allen while still addressing the needs of the community and reducing the number of outdoor spaces for office uses. Where those parking spaces are still critical and or could potentially create an unsafe use in that area where other parklets could be expanded to those safe uses in areas that are maybe not as much need, but thank you for the recommendation. Ms.. And they are councilman's in the house. Are you open to my friendly? Yes. I also want to make clear that with my motion. And thank you, Councilmember Allen, for reminding me of all the businesses that are out there. I do not in no way want to eliminate any of our businesses the opportunity to be able to succeed, especially if a parklet is going to be what's going to help them succeed and move forward. So with my motion, I was trying to get the the first motion from Councilwoman Allen, and I'm trying to find a middle space, a middle place for Councilmember Price as well. I know that she had some concerns. And how do you feel about about that? Would that do you think, Councilmember Allen, do you think that would satisfy the businesses you're concerned about to. The gyms and the personal care services. And yes, as long as as long as you have anyone that currently has a parklet, as long as I definitely don't want to interfere with anyone's livelihood. And and it's they still need some more time. This is still really fresh for businesses. So as long as there's any business that's currently operating a parklet has the ability to still do so and seek a permanent a permanent PARKLET. So it may be I guess I would be looking for staff to tell me, are there any other parklets that are outside of personal services and jams? And if there are, I would want them included as well. So we believe that there is one parklet that would not meet that definition or roughly around that, and it is one that is a retail or it is a real estate firm, but all the rest, we believe, would be covered. Okay. So just to be clear, the motion that's on the table right now covers all parklets across the city, with the exception of possibly one parklet. That is that is a retailer. Is that correct? Mr. Marika. We believe that's the case. Yes. And as a reminder also that I know we're talking about the extension provides an extension. Any parklet currently operating can still apply for permanency tomorrow. You know, so that's still a process that that's that's that's moving forward. Let me keep going down the list. Councilman Price. Thank you. And I just wanted to clarify, I don't have an issue with gyms and personal care who have to come outside in order to be able to open their business at some level. My issue is really with the realtor that is taking what's a major traffic safety concern where it's located, but also it's taking 2 to 3 parking spots from a really dense neighborhood where coastal access is as important priority. So I would just ask that they not I don't even know that they're wanting to extend their parklet because all their business is indoors now. But I just don't think an automatic extension is necessary for them now. If we go back to them and they say, You know what, we'd really like to have it. Then then maybe we can consider that for them. But I just I don't believe an automatic extension is justified for a business that has indoor space and often sees clients outside of the office anyway. Okay. I have Councilmember Gringo. Thank you. All right. They have forgotten about me. That appreciated a lot of a lot of the questions that I have had sort of been dealt with. But just to make a quick comment, and I do have a question. I think we're trying to get into the minutia of these items. Now, that were originally the original motion, I think was pretty straightforward that we can address, that staff can address and come back by September 30th. And then after that, the decisions can be made as far as what parties can and cannot stay. The one question I have is what about preexisting parklets? And we had a few. Are they going to be grandfathered in or are they going to be thrown into the into the basket in regards to be reevaluated for permanency or not? Yes, sir, that's a good question. So anything that is permanent had already gone through a process. They've all been permitted. Those would stay. There wouldn't be any change to those. We're really just talking about the ones that are under the emergency authorization. Okay. I appreciate that very much. That's all I have. And. Oh, and by the way, the the. I guess we would call it a parklets. But those that are in parking lots that those are continuing to go under and OVP processed, is that is that correct? So it's not part of this discussion that we have here. They would also get an extension of their EAP through September 30th for all users, not restricted anything. Okay. But then after September 30th, we're back to the OVP process. So after September 30th, we would envision that those uses would start to become less frequent. We can certainly I'm hearing some interest from the council on how can we continue some of those if they're appropriate. We would be in during the study period, come back with some ideas. But again, we're really using allowing them to use something that is traditionally only designed for parking for very different and non-conventional uses. Okay. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. I have everyone who has spoken. So let me just clarify for the city of Tripoli and for the city manager, there is a motion on the floor that would provide an extension to October 1st for all parklets. I think with the exception of one use, which is a real estate use, I think that was the motion. And and of course this includes the all the parklets under a program developed by staff to support all the other extensions and to that are happening at parking lots that are happening in other places to work with the community and provide and create a program for permanency. Did I get that correct? Mr. Modica or Mr. City attorney. Yes, that's the way we understand the motion is that the extension for the PARKLETS would include all businesses with the exception of. The realtor or commercial use. Yes. And then we would be looking as we go towards the permanent process for things like safety and working with residence and parking and all of those considerations that were listed. I do want to add one thing, Mayor, that we haven't discussed, that I just want to make sure the council's aware of. We when we first put these parklets out, we just did them. We didn't, you know, go and get any paperwork. We just did them. We then went back in around January and created formal documentation where we made the business owners sign off and say they understand that they have a parklet. They had certain esthetic requirements, they had certain ADA issues that they had to acknowledge as well as as well as safety issues and insurance. To date, most have signed that document, but we have about 30 who have never acknowledged it. And we've been very, very patient. We gave them until January and then until March and now until May. I really need to get those signed. So I would like just to let you know that I'm planning that any if any business hasn't signed off on just those basic acknowledgments that they would not be eligible for the extension on June 30th. Yeah. I mean, citing the basic things that the basic paperwork seems seems pretty basic, so. Councilman Mongo. Thank you. I just want to be clear that that is not the motion on the floor. The motion on the floor is to include all non office related uses because while Miss Price may have a realtor use, I had an office use on a street in my business corridor that did not need an outdoor use. And so I think that it's really important that the motion, as I presented it, the friendly that was accepted by Ms. Van de Vos, is what we actually are voting on. And while the. Parklet may or may not be there today. I know it was there a few weeks ago and it was an office use outdoor, taking up multiple parking spaces from a corridor which was one of our two busiest corridors in the district that is constantly in need of parking. And so this particular business use this office space to use. Can operate from Zoom or any of those other alternatives and is not necessary to work outdoors. So just to be clear, if there's a change to the motion on the floor, I'd really like to know before I vote on it. But what I had made a friendly was to add in all those other uses except for. Office related type users. So adding personal care services, gyms and restaurants and bars were all in there. And maybe the one operating in my district is operating rogue and is not authorized. I'm happy to work with city staff on that. So this is Thomas Jefferson standing is it's not office use. So we understand that if it's realtor we need to treat all of those cases the same. So yes, it would I think go the way to say non office is a good description. And I also don't want to target one industry of realtor versus another industry. It's all non office. If you don't have to be in person to serve someone food or provide them the equipment to work out with or to actually cut their hair or do their nails. Then there are options for you should you continue to not want to operate indoors. Thank you. Thank you. And I think, Mr. Monaco, what you're saying is that that's a good clarification, I think. And I think it's an important one. I think and I think what you're saying also, Mr. Modica, is that's a very limited it might be maybe just a small one or two that that would fall in that category. Right. Vice Mayor Richardson. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. I was just going to raise that. So to do a policy that excludes a particular business I'm uncomfortable with. I think, however, how Councilmember Mongo frames it is a little bit broader by just saying that maybe a category of non of office related businesses or wherever that category is may seem a little safe. But I just wanted to raise this with the city attorney. Just, you know, are we setting a policy by, you know, one particular business? But would you recommend that we go about we started the motion this way by looking at a category that's exempt. I just I needed to raise the question. Vice mayor. Vice mayor. Yes. And the Councilmember Mungo's point, I thought I did say office use. I did say that what I had heard is that one example was the realtor. But it is it would be by use. So if there's more other businesses within that category, I think council's making a policy decision that they do not get the extension for a parklet. Okay. So much more much I'm comfortable with at least having that conversation. Look at council members. You've got to defer to them to know what's best in their districts. And it seems like we're in a place where everybody's gotten the things that they need. Very close to the emotion, but nuanced. So I'm happy to support the motion from. Okay. Then just to clarify one more time. It's extension to the first minus office. Use attorney to make sure we're on the same page. Is that correct? That is correct. Okay. That's what it is. And they have to confirm. That's correct. Yes. Okay. Councilmember Austin. I just need to clarify one thing, and that is in the motion, we will not be having any new parklets unless they are applied. They go through an application process. This is just to extend existing parklets, is that correct? That's correct. The funding for the program to put out brand new temporary parklets has also expired. Okay. Thank you. And Councilman Allen. Yeah. And that was my question that Councilman Alston. So if there anyone even prior to COVID that was an office space could have applied for a parklet and could be issued it and they still have that opportunity. So even though they're excluded from this extension, they have every right to go ahead and apply and possibly get or get denied. That's still available to them, correct? Not necessarily. So the PARKLET program started as being solely restaurants, and then the council helped adopt that program and we actually expanded into fitness and some of the personal care outdoor services. We did not go to retail as we didn't want to have that become like, you know, clothing racks out on the street, for example, or office type uses. So in our current program for permanent parklets, those are not authorized uses. It's gyms and restaurants, I believe. Okay. And I would imagine, however, can I interpret a little bit different? That's okay. So if there if there is a if there is a a business or a use that would like to become a parklet or that is within this, you know, June 30th date, they can always work with the city and try to contact the city and look for alternatives or see if they can get some kind of change. Because we've done that in the past. For example, when gyms weren't allowed parklets for gyms weren't allowed. We made the change actually in the code. I just want to make sure be very clear that the extension is, well, we're extending almost everyone. Even if you fall into that category, you can still work with the city on options and different opportunities for your business. And so I just want to make sure that that's also. But then also just your purpose closes tomorrow as well. I'd like to have some direction on that because that is a little bit different. I'm hearing now that anybody who currently has a parklet those types of uses, then you would want us to expand the park, extend the parklet, but we just took policy action to get rid of a specific office use. So if that's going to change for the permanent program, I kind of need to hear that from the council. I don't think you've heard that from the council yet. Councilman Price. I didn't hear the mayor say that. I think he's talking about if if there's a non. One of the uses that doesn't fit into this current automatic extension. They can always go through the process of applying for a permanent parklet and I support that as well. I will say, I mean, I really did want to highlight this, but at Tom's comments, Mr. Motive, his comments about the types of parklets we have allowed kind of begs the question why? What is council and press talking about then? And the reality is that our bids, we're working very closely with public works on the parklets that were being put onto Second Street. And then one day a parklet appeared that the bid didn't know anything about and the council office did know anything about. And of course we don't want to shut down their parklet, but it is a real tea place and it's on it's on a very it's a major corner, a very prominent major corner inn in Belmont. SHAW And so it's taken 92 to 3 parking spots and up in a highly dense parking impacted area where coastal access is our number one priority. And it's just not a need that's necessary anymore. And that's why I was hoping for some customization, because we think we might be able to work with that business owner to allow for some outdoor seating, but we don't need 2 to 3 parking spots for it. And I don't know that they were ever supposed to get one to begin with, but so the residents have been really counting down the days until the the June 30th deadline, as we have told them, that that that was a mistake that we made and we apologize for that and that we will be more mindful of what parklets continue. So I appreciate everyone's conversation. And and I'm sure to some people, it seems like while they're sitting here talking about one business before we started to have this discussion, we had no idea. I had no idea how many of these businesses we had. So sometimes these discussions among all of us as council colleagues is an opportunity for us to learn what is happening in other districts, and we whittle it down to what the main issues are. And sometimes that takes time. But certainly if all of us have come into this knowing there's only one business to talk about, the conversation would have been streamlined. But we have Brown app, so we do a lot of these things in the public setting and sometimes that takes time. So thank you, everyone. And Councilmember Price is being very accurate and also very nice. That was not intended to be a parklet in in our rush to just get these out and to help one was put out that was not meeting the guidelines and I think she's correctly at and identified that and that would be a good one to rectify. Well, thank you. And I once I've been cued up and spoken, I want to just kind of close I think Councilman Price said it right. I just want to just remind us that what we're really doing tonight is extending almost every single parklet in the city to October 1st. And that's what are and even though we've been discussing certain different types of businesses, I just want to thank everyone at the end of the day. Well, this is what this is about. And what the conversation is about is supporting the the dozens and dozens of restaurants and bars of businesses that are using parking lots or using Parklets to get through this pandemic. And so I just want to thank all of you for for that work and staff. I know that this is also a lot of work for all of you. But this this additional time will allow you guys to figure out that permanent program and just continue to support these these small businesses that really need it. So just thank the entire council. I'm glad that we did have were able to have that discussion. Let me go and turn this over to the clerk. We'll do the roll call and we did public comment roll. Complements and they have. I'm. Councilwoman Allen. I. Councilwoman Pryce. I can opener. I. Catwoman manga. I can't swim in sorrow. I can't remember. Councilmember Oranga. I mean, Austin. All right. Vice Mayor Richardson. I'm pushing. Kay. Thank you. I think we have we are open for the comment. We might have one. Can we do that, please? You can start now.