Recommendation to conduct a study session to receive a presentation on the Pavement Management and Alley Management Plans.
One, two. We're going to move on to our our our first our study session that we have scheduled tonight, which is actually a pretty important one. And so I just want to just give everyone just a minute to kind of a shake off their tiredness as we go into it here. But we're going to go we're going to go right into this first and then into the study session, and we'll then we'll continue the rest of the agenda. So our staff are going to give you I'll give you guys a minute to get set up. We can please load the presentation. The team. Carrie. Ready to go? Okay. Let me let me just make a couple opening remarks and we'll get right into it. Just I want to say that this is I know going to be, I believe, part one of a of a two part major presentation on ah, the state of our streets and the payment management plan that this council has been working very hard on ensuring that we implement. There has been a lot of excitement around infrastructure. I also want to add that the city is and has embarked on its largest infrastructure plan and street plan that we've had in probably 40 or 50 years. And so the amount of dollars that are going into our streets over the course of the next decade is significant. It's it's, of course, thanks in large part to the support of the voters with measure. It's also because of legislation that's gone that's come down the pipeline that's increasing our ability to to improve local streets. And so we are we're grateful that we're also grateful that Measure M, which was also passed by the voters, also adds to this to this pot. And so it's a incredible opportunity for us. This report, I think, is very important for the council to understand kind of where we are, what are pavement, what our street patterns look like, where we're going. And then and then moving on, we'll have we have some good questions. And so I would encourage the council to engage on this topic because it's it's very important. With that. Mr.. West Mayor, councilmembers members. You're absolutely right. This is a tremendously important topic that we're going to review tonight. In 2015, the council authorized us to begin a RFP to hire a company that would do a pavement management plan for us. That pavement management plan has done and I'm going to turn this over to our public works director, Craig Beck, and also our traffic engineer and deputy director of Public Works, Sean Crumby. And they are going to talk about the pavement management plan and our alley management plan as well. So, Craig. Thank you, Mr. City Manager. Good evening, Mayor, and members of the City Council. We are excited to. Bring forward. Tonight an updated pavement management plan, as the manager indicated. The council first adopted a pavement management plan back in 2015. It is best practice for city organizations, especially cities the size of Long Beach, to go through and update their pumps on a every 2 to 3 year basis. So we're back before you here this evening to provide you with an update and to go over what is the conditions of our street in the city. This is a. Prelude to kind of kicking off. The budget season, if. You will. We believe that the CHP program is an important element of the budget. As I know, council also supports that. And within the capital improvement program or CHP, streets will be a major category of expense. So again, tonight, we're going to go over the elements of of the condition of our streets. And the next time we come forward in part two, we will talk specifically about the amount of funding we have available and where we're making recommendations to prioritize that funding. So with that, I would ask our city engineer, deputy director Sean Crumby to go through the details of the presentation. Creating on our mayor and council. It's great to be here tonight. The presentation, as was mentioned, is going to focus on the state of the city streets and in particular what's been going on in the last few years. How do I fast forward? Can we get the presentation on the screens in front of us? Just to take services, please. Because it's not. Also, we're. Not able to advance the slides. Okay. So having some tech difficulties we need we built the slides to work and for us to be able to see it on the screens. Thank you. Okay. So what is pavement management? Pavement management is it's a process, a formal process where the city inventories, catalogs, inspects and prioritizes the repairs that will happen throughout the city in the most fiscally prudent manner. It's not just good practice. It's also people may not realize that most of the funding that comes into this program is through transportation funding, and a lot of that funding requires our pavement management. As was mentioned, best practice is every 2 to 3 years. And so this report seeks to come and do that. So pavement management rates every street in the city with a score called the Pavement Condition Index or PCI. The square starts at a high value of 100 for new streets and goes down to a low value of zero for a completely failed street. The scoring methodology is standardized across the entire country and has both structural and esthetic components that make up the score. For Poppy for pieces between one and zero. Those are excellent streets as shown in the top layer and green there that really don't need maintenance. 80 to 65. The next category down is our good condition streets. And those receive preventative maintenance, which in our case a slurry seal. And the cost for that is roughly around $2 a square foot. The next category down are the streets that we see in fair condition. Those streets go between a high of 60, 65 to 40, and those receive an overlay or just a recoding of the top layer of the pavement, which typically costs roughly around $10 a square foot. And the red layer in the bottom shown there are poor or failed streets. Those streets typically get completely reconstructed and they're the most expensive streets to do and typically run in the neighborhood of $20 per square foot. So this graphic shows the benefit of preventative maintenance or a slurry seal. Ultimately, what we're trying to do is extend the life of a pavement and keep it in the the best conditions possible for the lowest possible price. The next few slides are going to show conditions are typical. Streets that fall within the condition ranges we just talked about on this slide shows poor streets those are poor and failed are in the PCI range of 0 to 40 and those are streets that have an excessive amount of failures throughout the pavements. They have uneven surfaces and we receive a lot of complaints about those streets. Next categories fair. Those are the streets with between 40 and 65. These streets still have a lot of failures, but not not extensively as much as the completely filled streets. These streets can be overlaid. So the repair costs, it's effective to catch these before they fall into the failed category for repair. Streets there in this slide showed streets are in the good condition. These streets can receive preventative maintenance like slurry seal. And we were able to do every street, hill, street in the city in the first part of measure, the majority being this year, which really got a lot of the streets and kept them in this range for a very cost effective price. And finally, excellent streets. These are the top of the range, the 80 to 100 that were shown at the top of that previous slide. These streets don't require any maintenance initially. Like it's likely that the first three seal will be roughly around seven years after they're built. So street inventory. There's a lot of streets within the city of Long Beach and people don't realize how extensive the Street network is. The value of the street now is over $1 billion, and the total length is just short of 800 miles, 786 miles. And that's enough to build one street from here all the way to the city of San Francisco and back. That's a lot of streets. So conditions. The condition of the PCI within the city in 2015 was an average of 60 and that number has gone up to 62 in 2017. So there's been an increase or an improvement in the city. Arterial streets have increased from 63 to 68 and residential streets have gone from 56 to 59. That increase in residential streets is largely due to the slurry seal. Streets that happen for measuring the amount of poor streets in the city also increased and that increase has a large impact on how much funding is needed to maintain and repair our entire network. Before you move on to go back real quick. So just just to for clarification, so can I add, this is this is a number. No, go back to the slide, please. Watch this on the screen. This one. No, the one in front of me. I mean, I don't mind looking at myself, but. The one with the. Okay, that's okay. I'll just look behind me. The one that was up on the screen before. That's okay. Yeah. Can we get to the PowerPoint? There we go. Thank you. So I just want to stop here for a sec, because I know this is this is the main number that we look at when we're looking and grading our streets and kind of what will be greater between street and other streets. Overall, just regardless of the fact that with the very poor streets, that slight 2% overall, the pimp from 215 and two in 2017 has gone up, correct? Mr.. Mr.. WEST Well, I'm sorry. Mr.. BECK Yes, it has. Okay. So so our streets are in better shape today in 2017 than they were in 2015, correct? Yes. And and to two points is a large increase in just two years. Correct. And and so one, I want us to say a few things. One is many cities right now there are going down. And so you're seeing that in a lot of places. And I talked to mayors that are, you know, obviously obsess about these these scores. And I just want to just thank staff before we move on that the fact that we increase that pump up over those points just in the last two years, I think is a huge accomplishment for the city, is we're going in the right direction. The change is the right direction. And did we were we able I know to ask you this question, were we able to capture all the year one measure, eight streets in the 2017 number or. I don't believe we've captured all of them. Correct. We were able to get all of the slurry seal streets that were done this year within the. We did. We did. But not so weak. So all all year one. I don't think that's true. Are you sure that's true? So just for clarification, Mayor, as you know, we're actively involved in slurry. Sealing streets and all of the streets that are that. Are. Under Measure eight, we. Will accomplish roughly. 95% of those. Streets in what we're calling year one, which is fiscal year. 17. The remaining 5% will. Be picked up in year two, which is fiscal year. 18. And so I think your question really. Relates to when we look at this PCI number and we're value evaluating our street conditions. When we went through. And did that analysis, were all the slurry seal. Streets done? And the answer is they were not. So while we did have a majority of them as part of that evaluation, we did not we were not able to capture all. 95%. Of the streets that will be done in fiscal year 17. A-Train. Okay. That's what I thought. And why I think that's, you know, additional good news is because while we've had the the improvement in our streets that didn't even capture the complete measure a year one street network that we're working on. And so that number will hopefully even increase once that full complement of the measure, eight year one streets are actually completed. And so again, this is great news for the city and happy to see that the PCI went up. I know moving even one or two points is very difficult, so thank you for coming. I would just add to that, Mayor, if I can, that we we do fully expect with the continued investment that. Council has supported moving. Forward, that we will see. Our. Street average improve again. When we do this in 2019, 2020. I love it. I'll keep you on. So comparison with some surrounding streets and other agencies is shown on this slide. The state of California average pieces 65 Orange County, L.A. County and San Diego are above that. And we fall just just right under that average. So progress there's been this slide shows the summary of what's happened since the last PCI as our last payment management has been done two years ago. In summary, the the pieces have increased $70 million, over $70 million have been invested in our city streets, in large part due to measure that $70 million investment this year included 35 miles of roadway slurry sealed with measure eight, with another five miles of that remaining portion. That will be done next year. So to address all the needed improvements, the PMP recommended $420 million in investments in 2015. That's a $42 million investment over ten years. That would take the average PCI from its current level to a PCI of 80. The current PMP. That same need increased to a total of 510 million. That increase in costs is due to streets that have fallen from fair the fare category down to our poor condition. That cost is called the backlog of the PMP and is shown at the bottom of this slide has having gone up from two or 5 million to 309 million. So before Sean goes on, I just. Want to make a point on this. I think it's important to articulate why we are seeing some of our very poor streets increasing. That was a conscious. Decision. That we made as staff in council that we wanted to stop any further decay of streets that were in the fair and good range. And so we focused our investment in those categories. So I think the expectation is that we would see some of this growth down here in our worst streets. But at the same time, we were able to improve our PCI overall and make that investment to save those streets and extend the life of those streets where we could. For less investment, if you will. If you remember the earlier slide, it's much cheaper to do an overlay than it is to do a full reconstruction. So there are investment opportunities for investment in the future. There's three new funding opportunities that are coming up that everybody's talking about. Measure em is half cent sales tax increase. County of Los Angeles. SB one is a statewide gas tax increase. And of course, the measure that we've been talking about for City of Long Beach that's gone into effect. So Alice, just a few slides on Alice this year. The city's measure funded the first alley management plan. Many of the transportation funding sources that we have are not eligible to be spent on ALS. So that's the real reason why we haven't had one to this point. The measure does provide $5 million total identified for Alice. So condition of the. There's over there's 220 miles of alleys throughout the city. 80% of them are concrete, which are in generally in general in good condition. 15% of those alleys are asphalt and those alleys are not quite in as good a condition as the concrete. With an average PCI of 36, there are 5% of the Alice 11 miles that are gravel. Those have a PCI of zero and they have a replacement cost or a construction cost of $5 million. Add all those up. We have a total in needs for Alice. Just a shade under $100 million. So next steps, detailed funding options will be coming forward with the budget in July. This will also include an update to infrastructure needs and technology needs. That concludes the presentation. Available for questions. And if I may go to Councilman Mungo here in just a second. Actually, Councilman Austin is the maker of the motion. Is there a second on there? Okay, Councilman Mango, one thing I want to add for the council beginning presentation, it's my understanding that in the next few months you're going to come back to council with more specifics about the sources of funds and then and how much we expect will actually be put into the budgets for additional street repair on top of what we've discussed with Measure. Is that correct? Yes, Mr. Mayor, that's correct. Tonight, you're really seeing two of our components, which is streets and alleys. There's a lot of other infrastructure, too. So we want to be able to come back to you with more of an assessment of the other infrastructure needs, which includes sidewalks, includes facilities, includes technology, and then match that up with the revenue sources that are coming in and and make some recommendations on where some of those investments could best be best be made. Okay. Thank you. I'm going to turn this over to Councilman Austin making the motion. Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. And I want to thank our public works director and Mr. Crumby for their their very, very thorough report. I know we entered into the payment management plan process a few years ago, and we've been anxious to get these results back. And so this is, you know, very, very informative and sobering, so to speak. But I will say that that, you know, I think I'm encouraged a lot more today than I was three years ago because, you know, at this point, we have at least four different funding sources to work from. Whereas three years ago we only had one funding source and that was Measure R for arterial streets. Today we have, as a result of voters here in Long Beach, measure a L.A. County, measure M, as well as the most recently passed legislation, SB one. I think items that we all or measures that we all support it. Here are the Council recognizing the important need to invest in our streets and infrastructure here in the city of Long Beach. So I'm encouraged where we're going and it's good to see that the pavement management plan is actually moving up in a positive direction. You know, what I don't see here on the street conditions is a category four alleys. I know they're not streets, but the alleys is a the number there is very low and very concerning for me as well. And I know we get weekly calls from residents regarding the poor conditions of alleys in my district. And, you know, we are at a loss for options oftentimes to to provide them in terms of funding to fix those alleys. And so I'm really looking forward to this this matter coming back in the future with and hopefully staff can have some some recommendations and plans to to address those needs as well. I guess a couple of quick questions. Regarding where we're going. And perhaps you discussed it and that was part of the slides. I may have missed it, but where do we expect our PMP to be in the next five years based on the funding that we have, the options that we have today and the current plans that we are moving forward with? Customer Austin As I mentioned earlier, we believe with the. Money that's available in the new transportation funding that was recently passed. By by not only voters. In Long Beach, but of L.A. County and the gas tax that was increased at the state that we see that there's an. Opportunity to actually increase the. Amount of investment we're. Making in our infrastructure. And as a result, we would expect that the PCI. Would would increase rapidly. So while we do have good news this evening and are able to point to a 2% increase overall excuse. Me, a two point increase overall. That there that will likely be greater if we stay the course in the coming years. Well, I like the likely grader, but it would make us and I think our residents feel a lot better if there was some sort of forecast. And that actually brings me to my next question, because it took us quite a while to to get and it was a significant investment to even get the pavement management plan done . What is the the methodology utilized to to actually project or so increases that we've had over the last couple of years? Since 2015. How do we measure that? So we hire an independent third party expert that does pavement management plans for cities and organizations across the country. They have a scoring methodology that's been adopted throughout the nation in which they drive automated vehicles over every single street and alley throughout the city. There's three criteria that go into developing the score. One is a structural criteria where they drop £11,000 on the street and measure the structural integrity of the street. There's also a lighter. It's like a radar that measures the surface friction or the surface of the street and all the cracks and potholes and all of those sorts of things. And all that data is used to come up with the the high score that you see on the screen that helps to develop the repair strategies and costs that go into forecasting for the report. So actually getting that data requires some some investment in itself, right? Absolutely. So what does it cost to do a PMP for the city of Long Beach? So this PMP update, it was about 200 to $250000. So so we do a PMP in 2015 and in 2017. Yes. But the the updates, once the system is up and running, the updates are significantly cheaper than the original. Okay. Thank you very much. And like I said, I look forward to having this discussion ongoing. Obviously, this is this is one that is very, very important to to our residents. It's encouraging. I'm really encouraged, particularly as to where our arterial streets are. It looks like we're going to be in in a good status fairly soon. And obviously, residential investment, we can't do enough of it. And that's it for now. Keep up the great work. Thank you. Thank you. Councilwoman Mango, please. Yes. I want to thank the public works staff and I want to thank them so genuinely, because it's been a tough two years in the fifth District. When I was elected, we had. $40.6 million of residential street need, and the next closest district was the seventh with 23 million. And the only reason the seventh District was even close is because they have so many concrete streets that have a need and a cost that's higher than an asphalt street. And to that, I'd like to say that that is if you were to say that each part of the city is a ninth. I had double of a night. They had point 22% versus the point 11%. And so one of the challenges that I see is that all of these numbers are so big and overwhelming that we don't really get our arms around it. And I would love to see a council that makes a commitment not only to the 45 million now 510 I'm sorry, 51 million a year that we're going to need to get to the 510 in ten years. But I want to work towards being a council that says I'm replacing my roof today. It costs me $20,000 to replace my roof. My roof is good for 20 years, and therefore we should be putting aside $1,000 a year so that when it's time to buy a new roof, we have the $20,000 in the bank that we can loan out to ourselves and borrow from ourselves throughout that time. But so that we have the money in the bank to be fiscally prudent and pay for the streets that our residents are entitled to. So I appreciate both of you for coming to so many community meetings and explaining the challenges. I recognize that we really need to be patient because the amount of work we're asking of public works at this time is an insurmountable amount of work and the number of streets that we're planning for and the complexity of our streets. I know that the second PMI study was needed because we had some challenges with the first one, and I think that that revision was important to make sure that everything was in that network. But I also think that in the future this street inventory needs to be talked about in things that are more digestible. So when we talk about 609 miles of roadway, I think we in the city of Long Beach need to determine what we believe an average street is. So let's say the 3400 block of shade way or an average street in the city. And then we need to take that 609 miles and say that is 6000 streets or it's 12,000 streets or whatever it is. So people recognize how many streets are in that process. So when we as a council say we're going to slurry, seal 92 streets or pave 600 streets or whatever we're going to do, it's equitable and understandable to people because Miles don't mean anything to a resident. And so what I hope we'll have when it comes back with the budget is how many streets or street equivalents we have in the city and then how many of our streets are in each category, and then how we put that out over time. How long will it be before we start being able to do the real work on the very poor streets and the poor streets, and then to the good work of the council that we've done on the alleys, how many street equivalents do we have in alleys and what does that look like? Because an average alley might not be the same. And so we're able to start saying, okay, with this money million, we can do this many equivalent streets in those categories because the numbers are there, the $10 per square, the 11, the four, the two, all of those are usable. But if you don't know what an average street looks like and you're not able to save shade, why is 1.5 of an average street or point seven of an average street? That discussion with the people who elected us to be here, the taxpayers that deserve good streets is just not equitable. So I'm looking forward to an aggressive budget where we plan out our infrastructure for enough time where an average resident can say, My street is getting paved in and you should know that year it might not be 2018, it might not be 2021, but we should have a date and time where we've made a commitment to the residents of when their street is going to be paved. And then I really appreciate the additional considerations that public works have made. I know that some of our streets are less safe to walk on than others because our residents don't have sidewalks in certain parts of the city. And so I appreciate that in those parts of the town where we're talking about the mobility of our community, walking in the edge way of our streets, that those streets are considered of a little bit differently than the rest of the city. So with that, I appreciate the hard work to date and I say we have a lot more work to do. Councilman Andrews. Thank you. Thank you, Councilwoman. I really especially most of the things that you just spoke about the same I'm I'm hearing the same thing in my district, especially with the alleys and everyone just what they want to know, win. And like I said, I can't give them a definite date on that. But I'm asking, you know, I what works? Do we have some dates on some of those when we talk about our alleys? Because most of alleys in certain district, they're just they're just all dirt. And if I could be able to tell some of my constituents, you know, this is a date that we will be working with . Usually I would feel very comfortable and I know they would be too. I just can't say, Well, it's on the list. And that's what I'd like to kind of hear from you guys. When can we give these people some definite days that possibly, you know, we and I know you're going to go to the city and find out some of the. I'm assuming that you're going to find out some of the worst allies or do we do that and let you know and then you would take it from there? That's kind of where I am because I'm getting a lot of feedback from my constituents about their allies. Councilmember Andrews I think what I would would respond. With is we are at the beginning of the budget process. And we fully plan on bringing forward. Information that will allow this Council to make decisions and allow this Council to be more informed about where those investments will be. And so. Where we sit here. On the edge of July and typically council goes through a lot of budget deliberations in July, August and September. And my feeling is by the end of that budget timeline, you'll have a good feel for when and what type of investment will be making in both streets and alleys. And I appreciate that because I think since the measure has been passed, they think this will just start tomorrow. It's not going to be like that. So I'm sure now that our constituents have a better understanding that there it is on the list and it will be taken care of. And thank you very much for give me that information. Thank you, Councilman Pearce. Yes, I want to I also think everybody for their work and I guess echo what everybody else is saying, that alleyways are the things that we get the most concerns about. And definitely in my district where we have so many apartments where people use alleyways. And I think one of the things that we've noticed is it's not just the cement, but it's just drainage overall. So I was wondering, is there are there other measures going to be taken besides going flat with it? Or there are areas where we know we need to look at our drainage system before we go in and repave our alleyways. It's trying to understand the how. Big it is. Because, remember, Piers, maybe I can respond to that by saying. That when we would go in, let's take an unpaved alley as an example. So we know we have a number of dirt alleys across the city, pretty much in every council district, at least one or two. If we were going to go in. Part of that project would include not only paving, but flattening. Any rough edges, doing the appropriate grading so the slopes are appropriate. And then when we put an alley in, you would typically put in a concrete what's called a concrete ribbon. So that drain down the middle of an alley would be concrete. And then the side dry, miles, would be asphalt. That would be the type of investment that we would recommend to this council. As opposed to, say, doing an all concrete alley, which would be much more expensive. So would be a way for us to. Stretch our dollars and get those alleys improved. Great. Thank you for that. And then just wanted to say that, you know, I know that as we move forward, measuring dollars, fixing our alleyways and addressing some of the illegal dumping and potholes is something that I know we're looking at overall. But really just thinking about our alleyways is not holistic. It's a whole other system that operates very differently from our streets and our sidewalks and everything from lighting to where our trash bins are. And if there's designated areas that we can make sure we're trying to manage that going forward, I think the whole city can really benefit from that. So thank you guys so much for the work. I look forward to the follow up report. Thank you, Councilwoman Gonzales. Yes. Thank you both for your great work in this. I think this is definitely what we need to accomplish here, and I think this is a great plan. I will also reiterate the back alleys, of course, and will more courts in ways many people have identified them not as allies, but as courts in ways as they are . And so a lot of our historic districts will identify them that way. And looking at that, I know that we've already talked about dirt alleys. I know that that is definitely a major priority. I've even talked to Craig directly about that. I had a question, though, as to some low hanging fruit that I think has been done before that we could possibly work on. And that would be like our urban greening grant, for instance. Lorraine Away, that was completely repaved and we added benches, we added some landscaping. I believe that was a state grant that we received for that particular location. Did that state grant include the repaving or was it just the landscaping? I don't know if we have an answer to that, but. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that that was a that had a lot of features within that that grant and it did include the resurfacing. Okay. It did. I would say that many of our historic districts, particularly Willmore and Craftsman Village in their courts and ways and alleys, will be I know that they would be yearning for that type of project and another urban greening grant, maybe that is. There's also opportunities through Southern California Association of Governments in that respect. So I think aside from what we're doing and just repaving them, perhaps there's an additional avenue we can take that would not really take away from this pot of money, but perhaps a state funding. And then the difference between the slurry and full cement. I know that some of our courts and ways may just need a slurry coat. So I think that was identified. But is that going to be in the the report coming back as well? Yes. So part of the presentation that will come back would be a recommendation and how to invest the dollars that that we have available and what those strategies would look like. Okay. I just wanted to make sure that. Great. Well, thank you very much for the plan. This looks great. I look forward to more. Councilmember Rinker. Thank you, Mayor. This is a obviously a very important discussion for us up here because obviously when we run for reelection, we will run for election period. Streets and alleys and sidewalks are the most important and most common questions we get asked. You know, when are you going to fix my street? What are you going to do about my alley? That's I mean, that's a common question every time and every time that we get that that question as elected officials, we look back at staff and we say, well, well know, what's the answer there, staff? Do we have a timeframe? Do we have a timeline when these alleys, streets and sidewalks are going to be addressed? And usually it's like, I don't know, there's no plan. So I'm glad that this is coming forward for us to review especially. I've seen that we had some great progress with our with our residential streets. But I'm also interested in what's going on with our alley management plan. I'm glad to see that you have one here and that that's going to be addressed, because if there's any one topic that always bends my ear and I'm always being chastised for is that you're not thik you're my alley. And for some folks, especially those in apartment buildings, the alley is very important to them. It's their only access to their to their homes, to their garage, or to their to put put in their trash cans. There has been some discussion about from residents who said, well, if I can't use my alley because it's so bad, can I put my trash cans on the front? And the answer inevitably is know that that's where the trash trucks go. They go through the alley to pick up the trash cans and however in disrepair it may be. So I'm looking forward to to see what the alley management plan looks like. I would especially like to know if and when we could get those grading points so that we can look at the priorities for some of those alleys . Because, again, I say that those alleys are a lot of a lot of residents depend on them for to get into their garages or to get into their homes. And I think it's very important that alleys become a priority in this management plan. Also, we there's a mention here about the 11, 11 miles of dirt and gravel alleys, and that will cost about $5 million, according to the study that you have right here preliminarily anyway. And I would like to see those dirt and gravel alleys paved right away. But then again, you know, a lot of them are concrete, which is more expensive, which is probably probably if there is a plan out there, probably take a little more years and then we would like to have them take. But it's something that we need to to plan on. And I think that if there's anything that we can do as elected officials and we're we're approached by our residents about what are you going to do about my alley, that we can at least give them a plan, that we can at least give them a date or that we can give them a cycle of where we're at with our allies. And I think that that's going to go a long ways in helping our residents not only have access to their homes and their garages, but also making making our streets a lot better and our alleys a lot safer as well. No question. Just come. Thank you, counsel. Really open up. Okay. I'll turn some of that commentary into questions. The first one. Well, first of all, let me let me second what Councilmember Grainger said about the alleys. I think a lot of folks who haven't experienced this would be shocked that we still have dirt alleys in Long Beach, but we do. You haven't separated out the dirt from the gravel? I don't think it's one category for public works at this point. To the point that Councilwoman Mongeau made, I think everyone understands that the idea of doing the slurry sale on the good streets, that you're going to get more mileage out of that because there I guess we could call that the low hanging fruit. What is the plan moving forward to to continue that completely before we get to the poor streets? Councilmember Suber, not again. When we come back with the second phase of this presentation, the staff will be providing options to counsel in our recommendation. I think the good news to share. Is that we will hear shortly through. The measure of funding. Be be completely up to. Date. With all of our slurry program. And that's not to say that we won't have a street or two out there that may fall into a slurry category. But again, at the time when we did our last payment management plan, we identified all those streets that were eligible for slurry. And we are prioritizing measure $8 to fund those streets. And as I mentioned earlier. We will get through roughly 95% of that list by the end of this fiscal year and the rest of them. Early in fiscal year 18. Okay. So I think your point is we're going to get to the end of it either way, whether that's our plan or not. Okay. The other question I have is. What I guess is asking you to do. Can we have dates when these things are going to be done? And I think that might be doable on the very good quality streets. Now, when you get into poor quality, I think our gap analysis has more of a function that is what are if you want to define gap analysis, be my guess, but it's what you envision is going to happen versus actual performance. And when you get into a bad street or a bad alley, it can eat up dollars and time and lots of other things. So it'd be very tough for you guys to come up with dates when this street or this Al is going to be done. Would you like to comment on that? Sure, Councilman. I think generally our goal. Is to provide a three year snapshot that we believe that that with. Some certainty, we can achieve a certain number of streets each year over the next three years with some. Some. Confidence about the funding. Levels. And that's likely what we would be able to bring to this council for for as staff's recommendation. So, again, there's. $300 million of needs in very poor streets over three years. We're not going to be able. To address all $300 million of that need. So there is going to have to be some prioritization that is made. What we will be bringing. Forward is the pavement management plan. Again. This is a robust plan. There's a lot of information. And data that is part of the analysis. And we can look at the available dollars and that. Pavement management system, if you. Will. The program itself will. Help prioritize what street it recommends. Again, the system. Would recommend be. Prioritized first. So as your staff, we take that. Information into consideration. Along with those priorities that we've heard from, from individual. Council members. And we've that. Into our recommendations that. We bring forward. Okay. So it sounds like you're confident that you can make a pretty good guesstimate as to where we're going and we won't deviate too far from that. The last question is, I don't want to go beyond the scope of what we're discussing here tonight. So involving other departments are coming up with efficiencies, with other departments that are involved. When you do a street repave like utilities and not necessarily city departments like Edison and whatnot. Is that not part of this discussion tonight? So I think the way to answer that is that this council has asked staff to look at a dig once policy, and we. Are moving forward with that to the point where we're hopeful that within the next 30 to. 45 days, we'll be bringing an item. Forward to council to request authorization to implement a software program that would allow for. Coordination between all of the utilities and our city paving program. So if we know we're going to be paving Anaheim Street as an example in a year and a half, we would align that with any. Water piping that needs to be done or sewer work that needs to be done or gas worked and needs to be done. We also are meeting with Edison on a. Regular basis to engage them as well as other public utilities, just so we can ensure that we're doing our very best to coordinate that work. And then additionally, I think this council has strongly defended our five year moratorium, and I think that that's an important thing to bring up when we pay the street. We cannot allow another utility to go in and cut that street up for five. Years without coming to this council and getting support to do that. So I think that you've defended that very well and that ensures that our investment. Is being maximized as best as it can. Okay. Thank you. That's all I have. Great job. Councilman Austin. Yes. I just wanted to get a couple of things clear. And again, I want to thank you for the great presentation. You know, to our public works director, Mr. Craig Beck, you have a huge job, huge responsibility. But as was mentioned earlier, we have, I think, provided our city manager's office and public works department with a great deal of resources to get the job done. Resources that we couldn't have imagined having just a few short years ago. So again, I'll say it once. I'll say it again. Too much is given. Much is expected. We we we are expecting results that what was presented here tonight. I don't want to I want to be clear, it wasn't a pavement management plan. This was more of it. And I'm glad you use the word outlining the system more of a pavement management analysis or assessment. We we are really looking forward to the phase two or the next conversation where we can get into the details. And I actually have a plan, a forecast and talk about what our deliverables will be to the taxpayers of Long Beach. And so, again, great presentation, big responsibility. And I have full confidence that we're going to be successful. Thank you. Thank you. Last comment. I just want to follow up on something, Councilman Super. And I said and I mentioned this I think many times. I know Mr.. Mr. Beck and we talked about it recently, but the, the issue around utilities is so important. And I feel like the, you know, it's taken a long time to get this policy in place, but we cannot continue to rip up streets. And because gas or water is doing a project and leave it in the conditions that we're doing, I mean, drive it down Atlantic, which used to look like a great street through parts of the sixth District and going south and it just now has this Ms. colored. Formal water pipe looking, covering all up and down the street. And that's we're doing this all across the city. And I feel like there is not enough attention being paid to the fact that when a utility is going to be disrupt street a street project, it has to be repaved corner to corner the entire street and at a minimum, a slurry so that there isn't the discovering of pavements that happened. The other thing I hope you look at when we do this is when we redo streets and we've done this sometimes when when we even even when we redo a crosswalk at a four way intersection, we leave, you know, will darken that part of the street so that it's it's like a slurry just over the crosswalk and it's completely discolored to the rest of the street. And so we need to figure out a way of creating a clean palette of the streets. When something is when we're repaving a crosswalk, even a crosswalk or a corner, we're oftentimes fixing a four way stop. We're fixing a corner. And they were repaving like six feet away from the corner into the corner of the street. So now you have this dark piece that really throws off the entire look of the of the four way stop. So I just when we when this comes back, we're going to address the Street plan. But I also want to make sure that we've addressed the corner to corner we've pavement plan that we're not just paving over a small strip and then leaving the street discolored and that we're just doing a better job of making sure that visually we're leaving a good looking street and good looking just infrastructure wherever we go. Thank you, Councilman Mango. To piggyback on what the mayor said, I think that there's also, at least from my talks with certain community members, whether it's true or perceived truth, we need to educate people at those seams is where we get potholes at those themes and where they start to. Deteriorate is. Often where water gets in and then the road starts to deteriorate. And we've pave over, over and over and over and over again. So. To another point about utilities. Perhaps it could if you want to bring back. Or we can discuss an item where if Southern California Edison is not ready to get their stuff done, too bad we're going to move forward. And then when they need to come back, they'll pay for the whole street to be paved again. Because I have recently undergone a process with Southern California Edison to get some things installed at the county. And the process has been us dragging them to water to get them to meet deadlines and things like that. And I don't want our residents to have to suffer and wait for their street to be delayed because the the agency hasn't met the requirements. So if we need to create a city policy or ordinance that says we give them notification, and if they are not responsive within a reasonable period of time, that they will be fiscally responsible to repave that street again. Then I'm open to doing something along that line, something that would motivate them to prioritize our residents in our projects. Councilman Price. Thank you. I could not agree more with the mayor on the issue of when we have utilities that are worked on and how that impacts the streets. We actually have some beautiful streets in in my neighborhood that really didn't need any work until the utilities were worked on. And now they look awful because the street is multiple colors and it just I'm sure on the pavement management index, it would rate really well because the street was fine before they ripped it up. But it just looks it just it just happened recently on Sixth and Santiago. If you guys want to drive and look at it, first of all, we had to drive over the utilities that had not been refilled for days. And so everybody's cars were you know, the neighbors who lived on the corner were getting the noise. And it's just took three or four or five days for them to get filled. But it's a shame when that happens because it degrades the quality of the street and it degrades the quality of the neighborhood. So to the extent that we could be mindful of that, where we have control, that would be great. The other question that I had is how often do we do we have any system in place for refreshing paint? Like stop, you know, the stop painted stop signs, crosswalks? I mean, is that is that done as reported or do we have a system that's similar to Pavement Management Index that requires you to go out and assess that? Councilmember Price. We do have some small. Amount of street maintenance dollars available. I wouldn't call it a program where we. Systematically go throughout the city and. Repaint everything. We tend to. Address it on a case by case basis. Generally through either. Councilmember offices or complaints that we. Receive from the community. Well, I think that's something we want to take a look at, because even the pavement management index may say that a particular street is not in poor condition, but if the paint is completely worn out or the the signs on the street are cracked, then it appears as though the condition of the street is not very good . And I think just a fresh coat of paint at the crosswalks at stop signs makes a world of difference. And there have been times that I've called myself or John Go Long Beach app for it and I didn't realize that the funding was so scarce for that because to me it seems like that's a really great way to refresh the look of a street at a much lower cost than than repaving or doing a slurry. So I think that's something we need to think about because I think degraded paint just just does not look makes the street just look much worse than it really is. But I want to thank you guys for the work that you put into tonight's presentation. And I'm mindful that there's a lot more to come as we go into budget season. So thank you for taking a look at this from a broader view and helping us assess priorities. I think I think Councilmember Mongeau made a statement a few minutes ago that is really accurate and that is as as it relates to many of these things, there are public perceptions and we have to do a better job of educating on the costs and the processes associated with streets and sidewalks. And I think that's a question. That's an area where we get asked a lot of questions, as Councilman Urunga mentioned. And so the more you can educate us, the better we'll do at representing the priorities that we set as a council and the justification for that. So thank you. Thank you. And to ask thanks. And I have to add these in here. So when it's important and I know it'll save me the multiple conversations we always have about these things. The other thing I want us to look at when this when I hope this policy comes back and I'm not sure if the the dig one's policy is coming back, but I'd like actually to see what are what the actual policy is. I think we I want to know exactly, you know, what exactly our policy is when it comes to how we repave streets for utilities. I'd like to know what the timing issues are. I still I will often drive over a street and it will be like six weeks of markings on the street that the utility has come by and done. And a project won't start for a month after the markings. And so do we require or do we have rules about when utilities can actually make markings? I mean, I kind of feel like those markings should be made like a week before the project, not a month before the project. And then the markings will stay after this. You know, oftentimes on the sidewalk weeks and weeks after the actual street project is done, and those really, in my opinion, become blight and are almost like tags on the street that we end up leaving there. So when we when we come back, we need to look at, you know, how we're how we're repaving the streets, how we're what is our policy and when it comes to markings. And so that we should, I think, be tougher on both our local and also the outside utilities to ensure that we're not we know that we're we understand what the rules are and that we know whether we can keep hold people accountable to making the streets look good. Also, just Mr. Beck, I there's a couple questions about the alleys and just my impression that we actually are repaving all of our dirt alleys. Isn't that part of measure? I think. Right. Mayor. Honestly, we have a $5 million commitment in measure for alleys and it will be up to this council. To adopt how that money gets prioritized. I think as staff, even though we're really not. Fully prepared to share that with you this evening, certainly we believe that dirt alleys would be a priority because I was under the impression that when we discussed the Alice that the priorities were going to be the, you know, five or six dirt alleys that are remain in the city of Long Beach. So those would be the first Alice fixed. That was my impression from, I think, Mr. Modica and Mr. West when we had the discussion a while back. Those were the target. The alleys that are currently dirt alleys would be the first Alice fix regardless of their location. So part of what we wanted to do was do the data and take a look at the pavement management plan. And we had set aside $5 million in measure. And the data that you saw tonight shows that there is $5 million in dirt alleys. Coincidentally, those numbers line up. So I think, as you heard Mr. Beck say, those were, we believed, would be a very good investment. And that does line up with the dollars and we'll be looking further at that recommendation. Great. Thank you. Any public comment on this? Before I start, I'd like to tell Miss Mungo. She's spot. On. Okay. I wish I'd represent approximately 175 people in North Long Beach. We've been inflicted with this new so-called bicycle lane that you're putting in through here. We do not understand why the money is being wasted on this and why it is being put in when the money could be more used for the street maintenance, the repairing of the alleys and other things. We've seen the disaster that it is up on Artesia Boulevard. I have talked with virtually every owner of businesses along through there and every one of them. Do not like them. The young lady over here, she went through and in less than two days got 175 signatures. And I am sure that if I finish up going along the street and this is only on three blocks and Mr. Austin, these are going to you because these are all people in your district. We have a chance of getting people killed. I have seen what happens when you interact cars, people trying to get in and out, especially handicapped people or people in wheelchairs like my son in law. I cannot imagine you wanting to move my parking spot out into the middle of the street where it will be in conflict with busses and cars going through on Orange Avenue. The speed limit for you there is 35 miles an hour, and I'd be willing to bet that the average speed down that street is 50 miles an hour. Can you imagine a mother trying to get her child into the back seat, into a child seat? And someone told me, well, why doesn't she just go in through the passenger side where she has two children? What about someone in a wheelchair trying to get in and out of a out of a vehicle? I think that this is a hazardous thing. I have photos to kind of give you an idea of what it looks like. It's dirty. There's no place to put trash cans out onto the street. I understand we want to become more friendly as far as bicycles are like that, but I don't think this is an appropriate project for North Long Beach. I think it's money that has been wasted. We could have what it cost to do what they're doing. And if they put those black rubber things that they have on on Artesia Boulevard, along through that street, that's going to cost another $100,000. And I don't know how far $100,000 would go towards fixing an alley, but I'm sure that that would be a far better thing to do with our money. This particular rise in the sidewalk and all that, you see this? My daughter, when she was six years old, fell and broke her arm. She's 38 years old now and this has been there that long. And this is their answer to fixing this pouring asphalt. There's another picture of these things and I've got pictures of unsafe cars parked and what it looks like with trash cans out there and like that. And I'd appreciate if you folks are just, you know, rethink this. The people there want it taken out. They don't want it there. I almost can guarantee you I can get about a 90% signature rate on a petition to have that removed. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Next speaker, please. I'm Mr. Mayor. I'm bringing forward me to you. Now, we all know. I know you live in Long Beach, and we'd like you to come and travel to Orange Avenue. It's really because of the way it's paint that take 80% of our parking. And we don't have a parking when I'm on a bicycle in my head with a beat at the outside, not on the curb, because it's a very in danger. And the people that very angry. So you guys have to do something about it. I would appreciate it if you do something that we're not. We're on the beach. We no have a particle. We need a lane of a bike lane on the curve. It's no safety for and nobody. I would appreciate it for your do something. Just to clarify, you were talking about orange and orange. Okay. And our teacher. Boulevard. Okay. Got it all. Oh. I would like for you to come look. I would. You could come stop and see me. I'm Bernadette Taylor. That's my business. You could come and fix your cross. Well, I've been down the street. I know. I know it well. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Next speaker, please nominate mayor. Mayor. Council. A council. People. I would like to ask each one of you who rode their bikes to the council meeting tonight. Raise your hand. Any of you. Why are you insisting that the citizens have to have all these bike lanes everywhere taking highways away? It's. It's not okay. What I think it is, is it is Agenda 21. Sustainable Development is the action plan to inventory and control land, water, all materials, plants, animals, construction, rent control, all information and energy, all human beings in the world. Have you wondered where these term sustainability and smart growth and high density urban mixed use development come from? Doesn't it seem like in the last ten years, ten years, we never heard of this? Where did these concepts come from? Is it that just is it just coincidental that every town and country and state in the nation, in the world would be changing their land use planning codes and government policies to align themselves with what? In 1992, President George H. Bush, along with 178 other world leaders. The U.N. called it Agenda 21 because its agenda for the 21st century, according to the U.N. secretary general strong, the affluent, middle class American lifestyle, is unsustainable and includes a single that includes single family homes, private vehicles. Why the bike lanes are private vehicles, plants is air conditioned meat eating. They are all a threat to the planet. This might sound silly, but. But. And it may. You may not think it doesn't affect you. But look around. This economic collapse is a U.N. agenda 21. You'll hear that this plan is non-binding and that it's an old, dusty plan with no teeth. That's a lie. In fact, over the last 20 years, this plan has been implemented all over the United States. It's called Sustainable Development, Ecology, Income, Economy and equity. After George Bush signed in 1992, was brought back to the U.S. by President Clinton in 1993, when he created the President Council on Sustainable Development for the sole purpose of getting into every city, county and state in the U.S. through federal rules, regulations and grants. Thank you, ma'am. Time is. Thank you, ma'am. Time is up. This is what they want to do is pack and snack housing, restrict mobility. From time to time as that time is. Actually, that means government surveillance. You know what we're talking about. Thank you. Man Time. Time is up next. SPEAKER Amen. Thank you, ma'am. So, you next speaker, please. We're being lied to. Thank you, ma'am. There you go. Next speaker, please. And and just as a reminder, this isn't this is our on the patient management plan. Agenda item. Go ahead, sir. Given that is Jesus on the dealing with his pain management plan, I just hope it's not being used to, you know, just spend money because well, just because of the color of the streets, it doesn't matter to me. I don't care if it's orange as long as it's smooth, you know. So whatever. And as far as the bike lanes, you know, I mean, I've checked out these proposals, 25 million bike lanes. You could have gave me $500,000 and saved 24,000,000.5. Me and my son, we did take paintbrushes and we done that. We didn't spend all that much. I didn't use Lucite, you know. So I'll come on. We got to look past this and we got to do what's best for the people. I mean, I ain't even going to drag this one out. You can expect a piece. Hello. My name is Janet West. And I've lived in Long Beach for the. Past five decades continuously. The proposed land use plan has high density. Mixed use buildings, which allow the developer. To provide substantial parking. Hey, hold on 1/2, ma'am. This is not general public. I know, but I'm getting into the street. Okay. Absolute. Go ahead. Okay. Because this leads into it. Can I have my time back? Keep going. I'll give you your time at the end. It allows the developers to provide substandard parking, as is included in the proposed CSP plan per the law. After the. Land use. Plan is put in. Place, you will incorporate complete streets policies. Quoting from AB 1358 The Complete Streets Bill. This bill would require that the. Legislative body of a city or county, upon any. Substantive revision of the general plan, modify the circulation element to plan for a balanced. Multimodal transportation. Network that meets meet all users of streets, roads and highways defined to include. Motorists, pedestrians and bicyclists. Complete streets means equal weight will be given to motorists. Bicyclists and pedestrians. They include bulb outs, curb extension. Narrower traffic lanes. Raise crosswalks, shorter blocks, more stop signs and or traffic lights. And less traffic lanes, which is called. A road diet. A classic road diet means taking a road with. Two lanes in each direction and make it into into one lane in each direction. Why? To add bicycle lanes and wider sidewalks. Complete streets calls. For traffic calming, which is a ridiculous way to say slowing down traffic. The techniques of. Complete Streets is. Meant to provide for less parking, slower and more congested traffic, and more stress to force us out of our cars. And I ask the same question How many of you walked or biked to the meeting tonight? One. One out of. Ten. Thank you. I hope everybody's going to be doing that next meeting. Thank you. Next speaker, please. Jim. Next bigger piece. Here. Oh. Yeah. My name is Dominic, sir. You know, and I'm here for the bicycle thing again. They put it in front of my house. They have my whole complete street is red. I had two parking places in front of my house. They painted those red to the left of me. They painted it red. There was there was room for four cars there. Now, they put one car on my whole block, so. Okay. So now when I come home at night, there's nowhere for me to park because there's only one spot. It's all duplexes, a lot of duplexes and a lot of apartments down the street. So Park has been real tough to begin with. So now with this, I have also a pizza shop in front of my house that I was planning on opening back up. Now I can't even open it back up because there's no room to park. A customer would have to park at least 150. Feet to. 300 feet away in either direction, if they could find a place to come to my shop. So that's going to take away my business going the value of my land and everything. Now on top of it now was having to park out into the street when I open up my door. Okay. I don't know if you guys are, but I have to get out of my door. I'm in the lane. Your euros. You have done swung your door out into the. Into the lane. You have to get out of your car in the lane. Now. You got to hurry up and time it that you could do a quick enough before a car comes through. Because if it takes 8 to 10 seconds to get out of your car, you got a car coming towards you at least a quarter mile away. So you get out of your car, walk around your car and feel safe. Now, that's the one problem they created, but they also created a problem. On the passenger side. Because now the passenger, which is mostly little kids and stuff, is going to open up the door on the. Passenger side. And they have just easy of a chance. To get hit by a bicycle. As so now you created the problem both sides of your car. Yeah. Okay. So, anyway, that's one of the main things. So one of the policemen told me that I am from my street. Every car was part of legal because they were all up against the curb. So I had one hand parked. There were supposed to be parked and another policeman came by and gave me a ticket. Give me a ticket, but no parking on it and I'm parked inside your bicycle lanes. Okay. So that's mostly my concern as I think I know parking I'm. I'm not handicapped. We have my little sister is she's got nowhere to park. People come visit me. They got nowhere to park now. So there's I mean, you guys just totally interrupted my quality of life. Like you guys were saying, every equality, not just me, but other residents in my neighborhood. That's my main thing. Okay. And it's an Orange Boulevard. There's not there was no. Well, we were out there at a meeting with all your city workers. There's four of us. Not for you guys out there for an hour and a half. Not one bicycle came down the street. Not one. Okay. So I'm just wondering if you ride your bike. I think you wrote it down orange. Did you? Okay. But maybe you come down orange or ride your bike and do some sightseeing instead of going. I mean, I can understand, you know, Belmont Shore, the beautiful area. Sure. But it was Long Beach mean, was there? Are the tweakers the only ones? All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. And finally, finally, Mr. Good, please come down your next. Three to look at the we are communists. Everything's ready to be democratic and we've become communist. Thank you, Mr. Good. Hugh Laurie. Good. You look as the address for visitors coming into the city as you approach the Willow Street Station. If you look at to your left and up the slope that leads to Long Beach Boulevard, there are two prominent. I don't know if there are alleys or streets that T-boned down into the edge of the railway. All are dirt, the air t orange color, whatever, sand colored dirt. And that's been that way for at least ten years. I don't know what the solution is, but somebody should go out there and figure out something to camouflage that it doesn't present a good image to the city. Obviously, the other side is nice. It's got the grass part there, but it's just it stands out really prominently and something should be done about that. Thanks. Thank you. We have a motion in a second. This is just a receiving file. The study session. There's no action here. Members, please cast your vote. Motion carries.