Recommendation to receive and file a report on the Los Angeles Region Safe, Clean Water Program, a potential countywide ballot measure that may be considered by all Los Angeles County voters on November 6, 2018, and give direction to City staff on the Measure as appropriate.  (Citywide)
Great. Thank you. Okay. We're moving on to item 616, which is the L.A. County Stormwater Measure presentation that I know our staff is going to make. And so I'm going to have the clerk read the item, please. Item 16 is report from City Manager Recommendation to receive and file a report on the L.A. region's Safe Clean Water Program, a potential county. Country, Callaway County wide. Ballot measure that may be on the November six, 2018 ballot and give directions to city staff on the measure as appropriate. I thank you. And I just wanna make sure I know that it's that it is late and there's been a lot on our agenda. I just want to make sure that this is a pretty large, county wide effort that our staff has actually been working a lot on. And so I just want to make sure that we're all kind of aware of what's happening. And so hopefully this presentation will do that. So. Mr. MODICA Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Appreciate that. Yes, this has been an effort that's actually been going on for many, many years with a restart in the last 18 months to two years that has culminated in the county supervisors putting on a measure. They just voted 4 to 1 recently to put it on for November. So we'd like to give you a chance to understand that a little bit better to ask some questions. We'll have a presentation. We also have a member from from Janice Hahn's office, who is also here as well. And we've been working very closely with her office on this measure. So with that, I will turn it over to Alvin, Papa, who will walk us through the presentation. Thank you. Good evening, Mayor. Members of City Council. My name is Alvin Papa, Assistant City Engineer. So I'm here to talk about the Safe Clean Water Program. This is an initiative that was approved last week by the L.A. County Board of Supervisors. The vote was 4 to 1, and so it will be on the November ballot this fall. So currently about 100 billion gallons worth of stormwater flows to the ocean every year through L.A. County. That brings about 4200 tons of trash and pollutants to our ocean. So this program would help capture about 42 billion gallons of that stormwater. So currently there's about 88 cities in L.A. County that do not have a dedicated source of funding to address stormwater challenges in Long Beach. We have about a 600 to $900 million estimated need for stormwater over the next 30 years. So as Tom had mentioned, we have been involved with the development of this initiative since the beginning. We're one of 27 stakeholders that were part of the formal stakeholder advisory committee. And so we've provided our comments and most of our comments have been addressed through the final version of this document. So what is the safe clean water program? So in essence, it will be a tool, two and a half cent sales tax, I'm sorry, parcel tax for every square foot of impermeable space on private property and permeable spaces defined as concrete rooftops. Any sort of space that cannot be infiltrated into the ground, such as grass or dirt. There will be an exemption for government buildings, public schools and nonprofit organizations. The current average tax is estimated to be about $83 per year for the standard single family home. There will be a credit to parcel owners who can show that they're currently capturing stormwater and are already reducing the amount of stormwater that's running out from their property. To do this, they'll have to certify it and then they'll have to recertify every two years. The total estimate that this measure will collect will be about 300 million per year. So Assembly Bill 1180 by Holden in 2017 authorized the L.A. County Fleet Control District to levy a tax, and it establishes distribution that you see above. There will be 40% dedicated towards a municipal program, 50% towards a regional program, and 10% towards a district program. And I'm briefly going to talk about each of these funding allocations. For the municipal program. This is the 40% portion. Long Beach is estimated to receive about $5 million per year. This program does offer a lot of local control. The funding collected will be used to administer our stormwater program, which includes activities such as monitoring and recording of pollutants, inspection of industrial and commercial facilities, public education and outreach, and most importantly, implementation of local stormwater quality projects such as the Eastern San Pedro Bay. Restoration. Rehabilitation of our existing pump stations still under some train projects within the city and trash capture projects. For the 50% regional portion. This is a distribution to the nine watershed areas in L.A. County. The distribution is proportional by area of the watershed. It is important to note that this regional program is a competitive program. There will be call for projects and multi benefit projects will are the only projects that will be eligible. So in addition to stormwater quality, the project will have to offer a nature based solution, community benefits or water supply in addition to water quality. These projects will be oversaw by a watershed area steering committee, and we in Long Beach would be competitive because we have two watersheds and we're also at the bottom of the L.A. River . So, in essence, the bottom of the kitchen sink. So we're impacted by all of the the pollutants that come down streams from the cities upstream. Ultimately, any city that is upstream of us that gets funds, funding for this project provides a benefit to us because that will equal less pollutant, less pollutants coming down to our watershed. And this is just a table just showing that we're in two of the nine watersheds, and that's the lower San Gabriel River watershed and the lower Los Angeles River watershed. Overall, what you see above is a distribution of the funding that will go to each of the watersheds. One thing to note is that less developed areas will receive less funding than more developed areas, primarily being a result of the more developed areas having more concrete and more permeable surfaces. These are just some bullet points on the regional product, the regional program. One thing to point out is, in addition to municipal agencies, nonprofit organizations, businesses and water suppliers will be eligible to submit their projects as part of this program. But they will have to partner with an agency and an agency as part of the watershed for which the project they're applying to. We'll have to support them on that effort. And in addition, projects must be a part of an approved water quality management plan and the regional program. There are three main components. There's the infrastructure program, the technical resource program and the scientific studies program. The infrastructure program funds primarily the projects. The Technical Resources Program will fund planning efforts to ensure that these projects are feasible. And then there will be a scientific study program that will look into third party research and analysis to help guide the program. And the last part of the program is the district program. This is 10% of the funds will go to the L.A. County Flood Control District for administration of the program. And this primarily will go towards review and scoring of the program, project applications, making sure that the projects are feasible and ensuring that the audits are conducted and ensuring that the funding is used correctly. And also, if you look at the last bullet, it shows the district is required to spend $25 million in investment towards stormwater, education and workforce every five years. So just to recap for this municipal program, Long Beach anticipates to collect about $5 million annually for the regional program. It's a competitive program for which multi benefit projects will be eligible. And overall, this program will have to be reevaluated after 30 years. And there is no sunset for this measure. And just a reminder, it's going on the ballot and it needs to third votes to pass. So that concludes my presentation, and I'm here to answer any questions. So thank you, Avon. I wanted to give the council a little bit of history here, too, is when this first came up, I believe in 2014 and I have the number, the date wrong language was a supporter. So we spent time at the table really crafting this measure and the council ended up voting to support that. But there were some practical implications that were very difficult to move that forward, to get it to the voters. It was a fee instead of a tax. And so things or groups like governments had to pay it. So that meant all the school districts had to pay it. It also meant that churches and institutions that are normally not exempt would have to pay it. And there really wasn't a lot of outreach done. The county really took that to heart. They went back. They went back to the stakeholders. They pulled that last item off the ballot. And now we're back here today. So after about 18 months of really intense negotiations and discussions with all the environmental groups, with a number of different stakeholders throughout the county and cities as well, what they've come up with is a program that puts about 40% of that money directly back to cities so that we would have a dedicated revenue stream, $5 million every year to help us with stormwater. There would then be 50% that we can apply for, which is that every year about 30 million from our region, give or take, that we could apply for, for projects. And even more excitingly, at least for from a staff perspective, that it gives the other upstream cities ability to apply for projects because we're at the bottom of two rivers. So any dollars that gets invested in any project is going to help Long Beach. So our role as staff was really to take what's in your state legislative agenda to try to get the best deal possible for Long Beach. But we have stopped short of endorsing this measure. That's really up to the council. If you want to do that tonight or at a different venue or if you want to take, you know, or not have any position that's really up to the council. But we feel very confident that we've gotten the best deal that we can for voters if they do approve this, that we would that we would get a lot of benefit from this measure. And with that, we'll turn it back to you for any questions. The one thing I want to just add, Mr. Watkins, I think was missing and I think has been the main impetus for so many cities getting involved in the measure is were we have we are required we have requirements that we have to meet on stormwater management that have been essentially mandated to us by the state. And so Long Beach. I can't recall what our our number is, but with the cost that it's going to cost us to actually meet the state mandate. And so in some cases, for many municipalities, the requirement is is is large. And so in our case, we have no, you know, dedicated pool of money that we're going to be able to use or have to shift from other areas or other projects to meet our stormwater requirements. So can you talk about that? Because I think that's actually the whole impetus is why the county's been having this discussion. It is we call those team deals are total maximum daily loads and they are requirements from the state to reduce pollutants. And those come in the forms of metals, for example. They can be very fine metals you can't even see that are in the water. They're bacteria, they're trash. And so there's a number of these different regulations. Long Beach has actually been one of the only cities that has supported many of those regulations to be put in place, because, you know, that's how we really get some of the clean water quality that we're seeing today is our upstream cities have to have those regulations, but it's very, very expensive and we do not have a funding source in Long Beach for our portion. It's several hundred million dollars, if not even upwards of $1,000,000,000 that we would have to do over a long time. And other cities are facing incredibly high compliance rates or compliance costs with no funding source. It's dedicated. So the mayor is absolutely right. These funds would provide a dedicated funding source to begin to address those and help clean our water. And let me and we just could take it one step further, because if I remember the conversations around around this in the past, one of the one of the big issues has been that Long Beach has been engaged with our state partners for for many years on encouraging this type of legislation and kind of this type of requirements, because we end up with all of the stormwater that comes down the L.A. River. And so I know that we have been active in supporting the state mandates on essentially all of the upstream rivers across the county. And so because of the support of these these mandates, which obviously are clean the clean water are good for the environment, are sustainable, and a variety of other issues, the cities all including all of our neighbors upstream, are having to meet these new requirements and really don't have funding. And so I think part of the county's interest in this and there are other interests, of course, to do some some big larger projects, but part of their interest is to give cities the ability to meet these mandates so that the city of Long Beach is not cleaning up all of their trash. That's absolutely correct. And the mandates are so enormous over the next, you know, 20, 30 years that without, you know, one thing is to put in a mandate and the other is to actually find a strategy to address it. And right now, cities do not have a strategy to address those long term mandates. And so what we predict is without some type of funding source, it will likely end up in just litigation and then the water doesn't get any cleaner. So we have I think you said it very well. We've been pushing for those mandates and then also trying to find an identified funding source that everybody in the county can draw from to be able to to meet those costs and the water cleaner. Great. And I just want to make sure I pointed those out, because I think that there's there's kind of history as to kind of what what our involvement has been in the past. And I want to make sure that that that was clear as we can have this discussion. And I imagine that the councilmembers will have some good questions on this. So let me turn this back. So, Councilman Ringa. Thank you very much. And I thank you for bringing this forward as a I'm also a member of the Rivers and Mountains Conservancy, as you probably know. And so I've seen some of the effects that the upper cities said to us in terms of their debris and dirty water. But we're also in the process of building our Long Beach Mass project, the Municipal Urban Stormwater Treatment Plan. I didn't see any mention of that here. And it's in this presentation that all is there and is there going to be some connection with this bond issue as well as with the with our with our project? Are we going to be able to get some funding for that as well? Yes. So we have if you remember, they'll be must is in about a six phase project. And we're making really good progress on phase one that's very close to being funded, completely funded mostly by Caltrans. But for us to basically expand that, to bring additional water to the facility, to be able to do reclaimed water lines and irrigate our parks on the west side. That would all be projects that we would be looking for because any of those projects are going to be eligible because you're taking water, treating it and then reusing it. They would square, we would think. Very highly in the in the grant applications. And as well as this these funds were being used for are there are other drainage issues that we have around the city as well, I take it? Yeah. So the $5 million would be both for operations and for infrastructure. You know, they want to make sure that we're not just doing stormwater conveyance, but also treatment and multi benefit wherever we can. So would it be appropriate at this time maybe to make that motion that the city council support the initiative? Is that what you said earlier? So that's up to the city council. We wanted to provide a report. So you have the option to give us a number of different direction. You can support it. You can ask for more information. We can come back later at a different time. You know, it is the property agenda and it's up to you. Well, I'll wait to see what my my colleagues say, but I strongly support this issue. Thank you. Before I go to Vice Mayor Andrew, I should announce the Councilmember Pearce has recused herself from this from this item. And so she is not with us for that. City attorney. Is that enough? That's correct. In their recusal is based upon her employment of working with a company that is lobbying for this event, for this tax. Thank you. Next up is vice mayor. Everything okay? Councilmember Richardson. Thanks. I just think as a city as large as Long Beach and for we should acknowledge the long process that we've we've come through from the initial fee that we considered back in 2014. There's been a lot of work done on this, and I think that's already been stated. And and the reality is this creates, you know, some great opportunities in terms of infrastructure investment, job creation, good opportunities in terms of, you know, sort of a strong quality public sector. And our water departments are in all these other sort of L.A. County flood control areas. So I think there's a lot of good things here. I know. I know it's going to be a challenge looking at the fact that it's a it's a potential parcel tax. But our return in Long Beach, we we're going to benefit, you know, more benefits than any other city. And I think we have to really consider that. So, you know, I want to hear how the council goes, but I'm in support of this already. I've already publicly stated I'm in support of this. Thanks. Thank you, Councilman Austin. Thank you. And I appreciate the a pretty comprehensive presentation and appreciate the comments from my colleagues as well. I did have a couple of questions. I just wanted to if this is to to make it on to the ballot and on November 6th. What is the vote threshold again? It's parcel tax. So it's two thirds. Two thirds. And I did have a question regarding the the how will impermeable space for properties be assessed? And obviously not no two properties are exactly the same. And so how how will the county assess that? So their methodology look like. Okay, so there is a technology they're using called glide lighter. So they have aerial photography that's going to identify the locations and there's a computer program that will identify that and put forth the calculations. So the the I want to say I don't even know what the number is, but I would venture to guess we have a few thousand lawn and garden homes in our in our city. Will that be taken into consideration with this methodology? Just yes, it will be. On so every parcel they will evaluate and evaluate the tax individually per parcel. So and there's also a credit program to have somebody put permeable pavers or some way of infiltration to go into the ground, then the homeowner could apply for a credit being that they've installed something that may look like concrete , but it lets water go on to the ground. So for example, I. Have a large patio in my backyard and water runs off, but I have a lawn garden or drought tolerant garden in my front yard yard that runs off into that. Or I may have a rain barrel. I hope all of that is being taken into consideration because there's been a lot of emphasis on on sustainability and and responsibility, responsible conservation of water over the last several years here. And I think our city should be commended for our efforts to do that. It just though those are questions, I think critical questions that are going to have to be answered and we're going to have to educate voters on particularly here in our city if we're going to support something like this. Thank you very much for your presentation. No. Thank you. Thank you, councilman. A Councilwoman Price. Thank you. I appreciate the presentation. So thank you very much. I would not be willing to vote in support of this item tonight. I've done very little outreach on this particular issue with my residents, and I think it's an important topic to speak with my residents about before weighing in on their behalf. I will say I think it would be a very valuable information to third district residents and those living along the coast that we do have a significant issue with trash on the beaches. So I'm wondering if maybe staff could speak to that a little bit, because in recent in recent weeks, we've received a lot of concern from residents who either use the beach or live near the beach regarding, you know, public health hazards on the beach. And one of the things I've shared with them is the lack of trash capture devices or methodologies to control the amount of trash that flows is certainly an impact. It's not just encampments on the beach. Which a lot of residents are attributing to the public health hazards they're finding on the beach. But rather a lot of the issues we see are from trash that's actually landing here from other jurisdictions. Is that something you could speak to a little bit and how something like this might help alleviate some of those problems that our residents are seeing? Because I think that would help, at least with me in talking to residents and for any of them watching. Absolutely. So. You know, recently it's been reported in the paper and we've been pretty upfront that, you know, we had some incidents on the beach where we've had needles show up on the beach. We immediately went out and we have a whole team that's out there that is raking the beach every single day to to be able to ameliorate that situation. But it's not just a Long Beach situation. We have been talking up and down to other coastal cities. They also have needles on the beach. And the general convention is that they're coming from the ocean, they're coming down the rivers, they float and they get out in the ocean and they get washed up on the beaches. So, you know, one of the regulations of the mayor had mentioned is there's a trash team deal that says no city shall be putting any trash at all into the ocean. And that's one of the state requirements. And that would be anything coming from. And it's not just dumping trash, it's coming from any storm drain. They're supposed to be captured devices. And so that's the type of thing that this would fund would be able to do that. We've made success over the last several years in reducing that trash. In 16 cities north of us, we've got grants to put in full capture trash devices so that that trash is not hitting the L.A. River. It doesn't capture everything. But we have seen a big reduction over the last several years, and we can do more. And, you know, one of the to that point, one of the recent clean up efforts on the beach, one of the police officers who was involved was sharing with me that a needle was found and it was at the high tide line and there was no encampment anywhere in sight in regards to that particular needle that was found. That's not obviously going to count for everything, but that to me was pretty important corroboration that in fact, this is this is a situation where it's washing up onto shore, where it washed up from, we don't know. But if this were to pass, is it going to be a competitive grant funding type situation for cities to get grants? And how do we ensure that the cities that we have no control over in terms of where their trash is being placed, are applying for the grants and are sometimes even being awarded grants over us because they might need it more than we do to control our own problem. So the answer to both those questions is yes, we do get a dedicated funding source, so 40% will come to us and 40% of all the money will go back to those other entities too. So every city will get dedicated funding to be able to to implement their programs. Additionally, you can apply for funding by watershed so that that we think makes it very fair that, you know, the cities that are paying in can get it back from their watershed. And it really encourages a comprehensive watershed approach so that there's plans that have come up with saying these are the most effective ways to capture water and to prevent, you know, water from entering into the storm drains and either be treated. And so the water management plans are going to get funded. And so the groups, the cities will come together and they'll be able to make determinations on which ones of those are the most competitive and which ones deserve the funding. So honestly, there might be a year or two where Long Beach doesn't get any funding because the better way to address the trash issue would be to fund our upstream neighbors. And we're very we're very supportive of that because that makes a lot of sense. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you for that information. I appreciate it. And again, this is something that I hope staff will assist at least our council office with in terms of educating our residents. Because I do want to do some more outreach on this. I know we'll get a lot of questions, and I think it's important for me personally to have input from the community before I weigh in. Thanks. Thank you, Councilman. Councilmember Sabrina. Thank you. I did receive a briefing from our city engineer on this topic, so I guess this will be directed to Tom Modica. Just a little different approach. So the goal of this is not stormwater conveyance, it has a different purpose. But could could I work like a byproduct of this would be that we would have maintenance or re-engineering done on our stormwater conveyance systems. So the intent of the measure is to really is to divert or treat or somehow other, you know, clean the water. But I think it also recognizes that storm drains also need to be maintained. So the projects that could be funded is, for example, A, if we needed to do an enhancement in some way for stormwater capacity , also making sure that at the same time we're doing, you know, bio filtration or we're doing, you know, sanitary sewer connection or some other way to treat. So we believe we can do multi benefit. X2 to solve multiple issues. Okay. So I think the point I would make is that because of our needs for ongoing maintenance and whatnot, if we don't do this, we're going to have to come up with a different funding source to to maintain those systems. Yes. When we presented the infrastructure report to you back two years ago, there was a big, big Category four storm water infrastructure. So we have storm drains and pumps that need to be replaced. Some of those are getting done through major aid, the most critical ones. But we do not have a plan for the rest. And those do need to get addressed either with city dollars if we don't have these or by reprioritizing or additional funding sources. Great. Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Tauranga. Thank you, Mayor. So based on the discussion and I know it was a little not a surprise, but it's come upon us now that this ballot measure is was approved by the by the county. And I think that we being a beach beach city that's also impacted by by the L.A. River, because the deadly river runs through it. We should look at supporting this measure. So I would move that. We get the city attorney to draft a resolution in favor of this ballot measure and maybe bring it back at a later date for us to consider for the city council to consider, so that we could also take it to our to our voters to see if a to for voter education in this measure, because it is going to be on the ballot. So that's my emotion. Well, let me while I take public comment first, so please public comment. Second. I can't say I miss these nights. Hello. My name is Andrew Winter Hannah. And I'm here tonight as a staff member of Long Beach. Forward throughout the spring. Long Beach Forward, a conducted educational outreach and community input for the Safe, Clean Water Program. Our goal was to ensure broad participation from residents throughout the city, with an emphasis in north, central and west Long Beach, the areas of our city facing the greatest economic and health disparities. For four months, we conducted door to door outreach, gathered 518 surveys, presented and gathered feedback at 28 community meetings and events, and hosted our own Community Fair and Forum, which was attended by nearly 50 community members. I must admit that when I started this project, I did not foresee the amount of passion I would encounter surrounding the topic of stormwater capture. However, to my surprise, people are more affected by this issue that I initially thought youth, seniors and those living with ambulatory disabilities are disproportionately affected by severe storms and are hoping to see infrastructure improvements aimed at lessening their impact. People in the community are capturing their own water, using self-made. Systems to. Water their own food. And residents understand the importance of stormwater capture as a means to combat the severe drought. We continue to experience residents and attendees of our forum pinpointed where they would like to see. Various stormwater. Capture projects in their neighborhoods. And several themes arose from our outreach, including the desire for projects with targeted job training for low income and formerly incarcerated people, accountability and mitigation measures for industries that heavily pollute and waste water. Extending the scope of the municipal program to include storm drain improvements to reduce the negative effects of flooding for elderly populations, those living with ambulatory disabilities and children who walk to and from school, and the importance of greening alleys and sidewalks. We also heard about the importance of cleaning, including maintenance for projects in planning and budgeting. Our main purpose for coming tonight is to let you know that Long Beach was well represented in the information the county received and Long Beach Forward is happy to make ourselves a resource to you as you look closely, closely at this issue . Thank you. Thank you very much. Our next public speaker, please. Hello again, Lauren Kim. And this time on behalf of the Our Water Lily Coalition, a group of diverse organizations working together for local, reliable and affordable water for all Angelinos. We've been working closely in support and to inform this county measure and with organizations from ranging from really local organizations here in Long Beach, like the Little Cerritos , Wetlands, Land Trust and the Great Panthers, as well as national environmental organizations like NRDC and the Nature Conservancy, as well as other labor and community allies, and have collected over 1000 pledge cards in support of this measure and over 2000 petition signatures in support. And so we've been working to make sure that this measure opportunities are realized. Thank you to the staff for the really thorough presentation on all that is encompassed in this measure. But it could just to underscore that it can bring more projects, both like helping support the Long Beach must, as well as helping to expand and maintain projects like the DeForest Wetlands or the Willow Springs Wetlands, the bio swales and street trees, and other kinds of projects that are already going up around Long Beach. And to really underscore that piece that is able to help fund the maintenance of those projects, which we know a lot of times is one of the hardest things to fund. These projects can not only help clean the stormwater, but also capture water for use locally and Long Beach. We know that that's an important issue for the city, given the given the drought conditions mentioned, the need of the Parks Department to have their water budget raised because the we're just not getting enough rain to be able to properly water all of the green spaces in Long Beach. And we're also really excited about the jobs possible, both building and maintaining these projects. We estimate it could create over 6000 construction jobs and over 1000 maintenance jobs over a 30 year funding cycle. And we've been working to make sure that those are good jobs and jobs that are accessible to the populations previously mentioned people with criminal backgrounds, formerly homeless, people with, with or without high school diplomas. And just to reiterate, as I mentioned, that Long Beach would both be able to get these get these local returns, that $0.40 of every dollar that a Long Beach resident pays in would come back directly to the city of Long Beach, as well as the regional grant funds. And that a late addition to this program is that the grant funds over time that they would be proportional to the city. So Long Beach, being the second largest city, would would really stand to get a lot from those grant programs and also is very well-represented on the decision making bodies for those grant programs. And that's really wonky, but I think it's exciting for you. And I just want to really underscore that the appreciation for all the work that staff have done and that the mayor and council for considering this, but also to underscore that there is no real alternative to this. We're facing drought, water quality issues and increased heat and this can help address all of those. Thank you. Thank you so much. And last speaker. I didn't see you out there. Good evening. Good to see you. I'm Jimmy Wilson. I'm the economic development and beaches and harbors. Deputy for supervisor, hon. Have about 14 pages of comments, but I think your staff report was so thorough. I'm going to make it two paragraphs. This is a very important thing. I'm a I'm a longtime, lifelong resident of Alamitos Bay. So I see the San Gabriel watershed and what it does during storms. And I and in the Army Bay, I have a family business at Rainbow Harbor. So I see what the L.A. River does. Every dime spent upriver from Long Beach is going to benefit Long Beach. So I need to remember that this measure will provide the. Funding from stormwater projects. That will create local jobs, replenish. Our underground aquifers. Keep our beaches clean, and ensure clean, safe water flows for generations to come. Supervisor Hahn and the entire in the Los Angeles County, she wants. She wants this area to be healthier and more sustainable. And she urges Long Beach to take a position of support for this measure. And that's my summary. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jamie. Always good to see you. Thank you. Absolutely. Let me go back to Councilor Moringa. So just to get some clarification. Obviously, there's a lot of questions regarding this ballot measure. There's still some more that need to be vetted out in the sense. So I guess this would be more toward the city attorney. What would it be like I mentioned earlier, at an appropriate time, maybe a couple of weeks, three weeks time, certain for us to come back with a resolution or or support. Mayor and members of the council councilmember irrigate. You have pretty much all of those options are available to you this evening. You could receive and file the report tonight and direct staff to bring it back at a later date again for your consideration again so that you're not making any determination. You can direct the city attorney to prepare a resolution and have me bring it back at a at a future date to be determined. You could give me a date certain. So really, you can do what you would like to do with this item at this time. Let me let me jump in, Mr. City Attorney. So I think I think what I what I heard. Correct me if I'm wrong from anyone, but I think there's obviously some general support from a lot of members that have that are supportive of this and want to support this. But we also heard that there is a need for some council members to do some outreach and to work with the residents and get some information to their residents. And so I think that there that you've heard both of that tonight. And so I think that sort of with it was probably best is that we come back bring this issue in in a couple of weeks or a few weeks. So there's enough time for those members to do the outreach that they want to do and need to do. And then we can come back at that point and and take that vote to to support the measure or whatever the Council would like to do at that point. Yeah, I think that's what I heard from from the body. What council. Member. Would a August 14th three weeks be sufficient time. That okay. So the August 14th Council meeting. This will get a chance for a vote to support. Theater. Yes, we could certainly put it on for recommendation to request me to prepare a resolution in support on August 14. I would then prepare the resolution and bring it back the following week for your approval. Okay. Great. That would be my motion. Okay. So that is the motion comes from any other seeing no other comments. So this motion at a second to take a position on this issue on August 14th, after some additional outreach, please cast your votes. Motion carries.