A bill for an ordinance governing the operation of Electric Mobility Scooters (“EMSs”) in the city and county of Denver. A bill for an ordinance governing the operation of Electric Mobility Scooters (“EMSs”) in the city and county of Denver. The Committee approved filing this item at its meeting on 12-11-18.
Thank you. Thank you. Councilman Brooks. Councilman Herndon, will you please put Council Bill 1476 on the floor? Yes, Mr. President. I move that bill 1476 be placed upon final consideration. And do pass. That has been moved. Can I get a second? It has been moved and seconded. The courtesy public hearing for Council Bill 1476 is open. May we have this death? Are you doing the staff report? All right, go ahead. Take it away. Councilwoman. That is a solid Elizabeth. I didn't know if it was on. Yeah, this is a thing to primarily get the scooters off the sidewalks and to allow scooters more flexibility and being able to use our bike lanes and our roads. Yet it has some other changes to the original regulations. One is that it has to have lights and flashers and things if you're going to ride it from dawn to dusk and some other little pieces of information. But it's primarily to kind of recognize the scooter for what it is a motorized vehicle, with the understanding that when the state legislature first ruled that scooters were toy vehicles and had to be on the sidewalk, they were not contemplating the motorized scooters. And so with the help of our attorneys and certainly I'm sure this will probably be taken up in the state legislature, we made an ordinance to sort of kind of relieve the issue that we've got between pedestrians and scooters on our sidewalks. It's still not going to be allowed anywhere on the 16th Street Mall and the Parks and Recreation is going to be making some regulations about how they can be used on our trails and in our parks. That's coming later, also coming later. And regulations are how to how they should be reassembled right now. They have to be reassembled in the mornings at transit's stops. But the public works department is going to take a look at that and see if there isn't some other better way to reassemble them based on the usage that we see by scooters. And that's the staff report. I also want to say that we've got some intrepid speakers here tonight because they knew I had asked if they wanted us to postpone this public hearing, and I told them it was going to be maybe close to 11:00. And they said, no, no, no, no, no, we'll we'll we'll come down. So when you when we listen to these folks, they really mean it. And that's my report. Thank you, Councilwoman. You give a very quick report. We'll put you in charge of more of those. I think we have to have five individuals signed up to speak, so come on up to the front row so we can get to everybody expeditiously. First up is Camp Sarah. Good evening, members of Council. My name is Kim Kyocera. My address is 1660 Lincoln, Suite 1800. And I'm here tonight to speak on behalf of Lime. They have both e-scooters and e-bikes in Denver, and they're very proud to be here in Denver. And I am here to speak in favor of this ordinance tonight. We think it provides a much better framework for both pedestrians and scooter riders. And we wanted to thank both city council and the Department of Public Works for bringing this forward. And we hope you'll support it tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Next up, Britney Moore, Thunder. Good evening, council president, members of city council. I'm Brittany Maurice Saunders. I'm the president of Local Affairs for SeaWorld Handling Public Affairs. And we reside reside we work at 511 Broadway in Denver. Thank you for your time tonight. I am here tonight on behalf of our client Bird as the inventor of the E-Scooter Sharing Bird currently operates in more than 100 cities in the U.S. and last summer began operations in Europe, the Middle East and in Mexico. I'm here tonight to urge your support of Council Bill 1476. We believe these changes will help balance our riders needs with the urban street network. We want to thank council members Sussman and Cashman for your leadership on this as well as us. Quickly, Nick Williams, Jason Garrow and Cindy Patten with Denver Public Works, as well as Skye Stewart in the mayor's office. Bird is very proud of our presence in the Denver market. We look forward to continuing our work with City Council and Denver Public Works leadership to help meet the mayor's vision to reduce car traffic by 2020. Thank you for your support tonight. Thank you. Next up and even. Hi. Good evening. Thanks for the opportunity to comment tonight between human and policy director at Bicycle Colorado. I'm also chair of the Denver Streets Partnership. That is a coalition of non-profits working to improve biking and walking and transit infrastructure, as well as accessibility in use to support healthy, inclusive, connected, sustainable communities. And we're here tonight to say we support 1476, the scooter bill that will allow scooters in bike lanes and on roadways. Tonight, we just want to thank you for your leadership in creating strong policy really quickly to make Denver a scooter friendly city. So thank you, Councilwoman Sussman, Councilman Cashman, for leading on the effort. And we also want to thank the attorneys and public works officials who worked quickly right along with you. We know it wasn't easy. There were some tricky legal hurdles in state and in city law and a very tight timeline. And in thinking back on it, it was interesting to me to note that public works had a permitting. Speed with scooter cities around the country like Washington, D.C., like Chicago and like L.A.. Thanks again. Congratulations on removing barriers to the safe, safe operations of new mobility options. We really like this scooter bill because it's sensible law that'll make it easy for everybody to understand the rules. And it's also going to give riders the opportunity to move around efficiently and effectively. It's also an excellent model. We think the state legislature can look to as they start to tackle this, some of the same challenges coming up in their session. So thanks for leading on this issue. Thank you. Next up, Jesse Pierce. Jesse pairs Black Star Action Moment for self defense. Denver Homasi out loud and positive actually commitment for change. We are in favor of this. Seeing that number really needs to live up to this sustainability aspect of transportation in this town. It's the mile high income city, but we still make it easy to get around. So yeah, we're definitely in favor of this bill 18 1476. So we're asking for your approval of this. Thank you. Thank you. Jill. Tory. Good evening. I'm Jill, Luke and Tori, executive director of Walk Denver and vice chair of the Denver Streets Partnership. I'm here tonight to express support for Council Bill 1476 regarding the operation of electric scooters within our city. The arrival of scooters within Denver shone a spotlight on an issue that our city has been grappling with for a while. Namely. What is the best use of our public rights of way our streets and our sidewalks and our cities? Who gets to use these public spaces. And how do we all get around more efficiently? A confusing. Patchwork of policies in this arena has created conflict among residents. Workers and visitors who use. Denver's streets every day. But it doesn't have to be this way. We can manage our streets more effectively if we keep some simple principles in mind. The Denver Streets Partnership outlined these principles in a position paper that we released last year, and we are pleased to see several of these principles embodied in the proposed legislation, including first prioritizing people, walking first and foremost. On our city streets. Second, for trips that are too long. To walk, prioritizing the safest and most space efficient modes of travel. And third, separating modes of travel by speed. Like bicycle scooters are smaller and slower than cars, and therefore they. Are inherently safer and more space efficient than cars. We therefore applaud the. City for welcoming scooters as part of a truly multimodal transportation system and for accommodating them in bike lanes and on slower speed roadways while only allowing scooters on the sidewalk when these other options are not available. Walk Denver and the Demonstrates Partnership urges City Council to adopt the proposed legislation as written and to keep these same principles in mind as you are developing additional pilot policies and strategies for managing our public right of way. Thank you. Thank you. And I think we have one more speaker, Patrick Quintana. Members of council in the evening. Thank you for organizing this hearing and giving us the chance to comment. My name is Patrick Quinton. I'm the market manager for lifts here in Denver and I live in Councilman Cashman's district. Lyft is excited to engage in this conversation about the future of Dockless mobility in Denver, the city's efforts to legalize riding scooters and bicycle lanes, roadways and sidewalks, and to share some of the guiding principles that shape our work in this space. Let's vision is first. It is designed around people, not cars. Achieving that vision will mean making long term investments in infrastructure to keep everyone safe. Things like protected bike lanes, safer crosswalks, and even car free areas to put pedestrians first. Lyft fully supports these interventions and looks forward to working with you to make these types of infrastructure improvements a reality in the neighborhoods across Denver. Live supports adding more options for how people get around our streets and using our technology to make choosing the healthiest, greenest and most efficient mode of transportation as easy as possible. Bikes, scooters and transit can serve a lion's share of short trips in our cities, far more so than cars. And we're excited to meet that demand, even if that means taking some trips from a ride share business. We support reclaiming space on our streets for people walking, biking, scooting and taking public transit. The full promise of micromobility can only be realized if we dedicate enough protected space to these new modes to take to make navigating our streets on two wheels as natural and safe as hopping in a car. With this proposed ordinance, Denver is taking a big step forward by opening and opening up bike lanes and low speed streets to scooter users, instead of forcing scooter users and pedestrians to fight for the limited sidewalk space that we have. We are encouraged by the city's efforts in adding more bike lanes throughout Denver, which we look forward to supporting. And we also look forward to additional program enhanced enhancements that will allow mobility operators to serve the city more meaningfully. We're proud to be operators of Dockless scooters in Denver, which is our first market, and we're excited to continue the bigger discussion about how micromobility of all kinds can be can help accelerate the push for safer, more sustainable streets. Thanks again for the chance to comment. Thank you very much. And thank you all for coming down to speak at our hearing. That does conclude our speakers. Are there any questions from members of Council? Councilwoman Kennedy. Thank you, Mr. President. I'll share a little more feedback during the comment period about some communications I received about the bill. But while I have the companies here and I realize it's a little unfair because a couple of your representatives and one of you is with the company, but I'd like to ask if you could talk about what you believe. We, you, we city or we community could be doing in terms of the culture of users. There's still concern about youth on sidewalks and high, high traffic networks where we're prohibiting them from being in the street. And still a lot of concerns from particularly disabled members of the community who've had interactions with scooters being left blocking sideways and sidewalks and things like that. So I understand there's, you know, a role for government regulation and there's this question of culture change. So what are your companies doing? Or what could or should? What are some best practices about how we create a higher level of responsibility among users? I think I can kick that one off. I think the number one thing that we can do is just continue to educate users and that that onus is on us to make sure that we're communicating through our app and any communication that we have with our users that they need to park at, park the park the units properly, use the units on the street or in the bike lanes properly, and really educate the user on on the proper way to to ride in park. I think that as we continue to evolve the program, a lot of these things will come naturally. One of the approaches we've taken early on is we have a very high touch and operational model where we touch every scooter every day, and so we're constantly going throughout the city, picking them up, dropping them off, rebalancing, etc.. So that's one of the things that we're doing right now to overinvest operationally, to try and get ahead of that. But at the same time, it really does. It's on us to really educate the users. And can you continue to push that narrative forward? Well, the only thing that I would add is we have been having monthly meetings with public works and all of the operators where we have been talking exactly about that. So how do we communicate directly with our users, get feedback from the community of things that are working, not working, and specifically the communication and how we can immediately update those changes to our users through the app and then also through other communications methods. So we have been having those types of conversations with Denver Public Works as a group. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Councilwoman Kennedy. Councilwoman Black. Thank you. I had a constituent contact me because he was concerned that only a reflector is required on the rear. And I promised him I would make that point here tonight that we should consider putting a light in the rear. That's it. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Councilman Black. Councilwoman Ortega. I just wanted to piggyback on the question that was asked by Councilwoman Kennedy. It was my question as well. But what I have observed is that. And we've received a number of of calls and emails from people as well. But I have observed people just not stopping at stop signs and at stoplights. And, I mean, these people are putting their lives at risk by not following the street rules. And so I would just hope that part of that education is helping them to realize that. You know, not everybody is painful attention when they're on the road and a car is a lot more dangerous if they're taken a right hand turn and they think they have the right away and then somebody just blows right beside them. It's it's concerning. I know we've seen accidents that have occurred and whatnot. I think the the rules of, you know, where people are at and paying attention to when somebody is, you know, in a wheelchair that's navigating the same corridor, that's an important part of solving the problem. But I just want to make sure we're not seeing people killed because they're not paying attention to the rules. And so I appreciate the fact that you all are meeting and the companies are working with public works to try to figure out the best way to address and educate the users about that. So thank you. Thank you, Councilwoman Ortega, Councilman Cashman. Thank you, Mr. President. Patrick, I just wondering if is there a next generation scooter coming along and improvements that that are in the works? Yeah, I think I probably speak for the industry when I say we're all continually iterating on our hardware. We're already working on our third and fourth generation. We've only launched our first generation hardware here in Denver. So we're continually making improvements to make sure that they're more robust for commercial grade use, making sure that battery life is longer, they're more sturdy. Just a lot of hardware enhancements that make these safer and better for us as an operator, you know, lower break rates, etc.. It's good for us longer battery life, good for us and for the users. So I think as an industry we're continually iterating on hardware. Yeah, my main take I get when I'm on one is they're they're really they are lightweight. They're a first generation product. And I'm glad to hear you're moving forward. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Councilman Cashman, Councilman Flynn, thank you. I don't know who might be equipped to answer this. It might be the attorneys who worked on it or Councilwoman Sussman or Cashman. But does this also apply to new, new types of these personal mobility devices, like like the electric unicycle and the one here called a ninebot or a hoverboard or as such devices as I saw a fellow in my district when I was headed home from Bear Valley down to Marsden. Who? Practically beat me all the way to my neighborhood on a device that was like a skateboard, but with a single wheel on it. So would the same rules apply here to those devices? Do we now? Your neck. Good evening, NICUs Williams Public Works. No, this is just going to apply. So we tried to narrowly define these vehicles, so it's just fine. It's just applies to the scooters. You see it on the street. Okay. So it applies basically to the business operated shared scooters, correct? Not to somebody who might just own their own unicycle or hoverboard. So you can excuse me. You can personally own. One of these scooters. Yes, that too. And that it would be. That would apply to that. Yeah. Okay. Can I thank your microphone, Councilman? The bill talks about two tandem wheels. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. Councilman Flynn. Councilman Newton. Yeah. Those are discussions you'll have monthly with everybody. Oh, you are talking about penalties for repeated bad behavior related to this culture issue. Yes. We communicate with the with the operators in this. And we certainly always communicate that the permit is a revocable permit, that if they are not complying with the rules of the with the rules of the program, the permit can be revoked from that. Generally, we. Found them to be responsive when we find things, vehicles not set up, right, vehicles deposited in trees, things like. That, we found them to be. Responsible. But yes, we stress that it's revocable and we try to have very open line of communication about any challenges we're seeing out there. Well, what about incidents where a rider is affecting somebody on a sidewalk? You're tracking those kind of. Incidents as well. Yeah, we're we've been. Working with the police department on that as well as we're working with hospital systems. To look at. Injuries. And then we've got kind of a comment line, and I've taken my fair share of. Phone calls from from residents. And that's, again, we try to have an open line of communication with the operators and then also with the police. As this ordinance, if passed. That clarifies the laws around this, the police would be better able to enforce those laws. Or the companies taking any action at all. So I think that kind of goes to the communication. Aspects of it. And maybe I should let them speak for themselves. Yeah, that. Are the companies taking the action getting repeated violations by an individuals or you're taking say. So for Lyft in particular? We do have a customer experience and safety team. So when we do receive reports of this, we can track down, you know, who was using the scooter, what was happening. So in cases of repeated bad behavior, there are cases where we have disabled accounts, that kind of stuff. And they're liable for that. Correct? Thank you. Thank you, Kels. Manu. Councilman Espinosa. In the case of sort of bad behavior, I'm assuming you have to track that down by by location and time. Or is there an easier way to do that? So we track every ride so we know who's writing and we have the details on that ride. So when something is reported, we can we can track that down specifically. So. So does that answer your question? Yeah. The reason why is because it's more a question for the city attorney, which is, you know, did we talk about I don't recall us talking about any sort of clear identification, so why not have a three digit, you know, alpha numerical license plate, something very clear on on the vehicle itself. So because we already can report bad drivers on the road, you know, why not be able to just if something happens and somebody, you know, rolls off, we just you just give the three digit code and you know which company that is. And they can easily track their their rider that way. Yeah, I think from from our perspective, what we have is unique scooter ID numbers on every scooter and I think all the operators do so in the event where we somebody can look at this video and tell us the scooter number, then we're able to track that down. We don't have, you know, license plate or anything that's directly visible by somebody, you know, this far away between you and I. So in that instance, I guess, you know, there's certainly, I'm sure, bad behavior that we're not catching and enforcing against. And it'd be really hard to be 100% right there. But in the cases where we do have the scooter number and the ride information, then we're able to track it down. Yeah, because I would like to see more of this, not less. And so but I'd also like a real reliable and easy when the incident happens. If you can think, you can glance, you can see that number because we're already doing the badges, right? And we talked about somehow issuing a number for each one so that we sort of quantify where, you know, the number or system. So if we're doing if you have the ability to already you have multiple now we already built the infrastructure to sort of quantify on our side. And you always have been able to track your own devices doing something where it's identifiable. We have the same on our PC trucks, right? In other formats. How am I driving? Okay. So then the one thing I have for Lyft is. You know, I can't I can't stream a news article without having to be forced to watch 15/2 ad of something, you know? So why not? I'm sure you probably do this. And why not compel? Why not produce sort of public service messages about those different things? Don't leave your vehicle here. That is sort of a generic scooter vehicle that actually goes cross-platform with your colleagues at Lyft and I mean, at at Lime and Bird. So you're only producing the the content once. Is that something you guys are talking about or. I don't think we're discussing that right now. We can certainly have conversations around that, but it's something we haven't done here in Denver at least. So perhaps we can take that as a take away and and chat as a group. Yeah. And then even if you don't want to force your riders to, to endure that, you know, you could offer a discount on a ride. Hey, watch this quick video and you get the next ride and half, half off or something like that. Yeah. I think we're all pretty aligned on, on messaging generally. So I think, you know, it's certainly a possibility, something we can consider. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Councilman Espinosa. Councilman Lopez. Well, my question, I guess it's just. Kind of piggybacked on the question earlier about private ownership. This is just scooters that we're talking about. Right. So if it was like a motorized. Not that I would ever survive the ride, but like a motorized. Unicycle or I mean, I could whip out the vans and I could cruise in a motorized skateboard, which I wish I had in my day. Those was the policy with those. Those types of vehicles, if you will. I wouldn't, because there's a lot of skaters and probably. Especially Generation X. That would disagree that their toys. But what would they. What would you do if you saw somebody cruising around on one of those in a bike lane or on the street or sidewalk? Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to do anything other than what's right. Well, you the. City and county do. I think kind of the reason we've needed to make this regulation or this ordinance here was because there was existing law, but it didn't really apply to what was going on on. The street. So, you know, I think we talked about it before. When when when the toy vehicle ordinance was written, it was appropriate for the scale and the types of vehicles that are out there when these new generation of scooters came and then when they came at the volume, they did became necessary to go back and kind of clean up and find. A better way to regulate. Those. So I think with the other vehicles like the the powered unicycles or the hoverboards or things like that, I don't think there is currently a desire to change the law as it. Is written right. Now. As it is written right now. Could you get fined? For using a motorized skateboard. I mean, I'm not sure. As far as how the audience's. I imagine there are. Reckless endangerment. I'm not a Colorado lawyer, but I would imagine there are some police actions that could be taken. But I'm not familiar with any others. Kirsten Crawford, Legislative Counsel I think Nate Lucero is probably more familiar with the code, but right now I don't think that that sort of thing is covered by our regulations in this manner at all. There was a lot of discussion about would we try to adopt a provision that anticipated treaty change in transportation? And we decided that we couldn't capture everything and we just wanted to narrowly tailor for the situation that needed to be regulated right now. Now, I don't know if you have anything you want to add to that. Thank you, Kirsten. It was her assistant city attorney. I think Miss Crawford addressed appropriately that I don't think. In this situation we we as she stated. We want her to capture this particular. Device that that. Really just sort of inundated the city at. A particular time. I think we had over 800 scooters dropped on on a Friday. Afternoon that. No one was really ready for. I appreciate that. Mr. President, I just. At some point, I understand. I wouldn't want to see somebody who's. Using this motorized skateboard cruising. Down to were ticketed. I think that, you know. I like the. Scooter. The 13 year old in me loves. You know, it's free. And I feel the wind in my hair. But then I finally realize that I'm a middle aged man in a. Suit, a little bit overweight, cruising around on a scooter. And I probably look ridiculous. So I'd rather be on a skateboard. If I had a choice. I'm glad. But I like. I like either one. They're fun. I'm glad that you did not pose that last part in the form of a question, even though we are in question. Thank you. Guzman-Lopez Kathleen Ortega, do you have. I just want to clarify if we still have a cap on how many each of the companies can have and just kind of where are we with that? I know we started out with sort of a pilot and and does this now take us to just a full blown program? And then as you see violations, the the permits could be yanked. And I would think that the companies are doing what they can with their customers to try to prevent any of the violations, whatever those might be. So can you speak to that? Sure. So, yes, we are still in a pilot. The pilot started at the beginning of August. It'll go through until August, 12 month pilot. On that point, as far as caps, yes, we still have caps. We are. This was the big hurdle to get over before we wanted to raise fleet sizes. We didn't feel comfortable raising fleet sizes before this was handled. And assuming this is handled this evening, we've been working. With the operators and internally and we would expect to release fleet size adjustments within the next week. So that would change from what it is today. Correct. Do we know what that might go to? That's those are the final details that we're ironing out. But what the anticipation is, we will see more on the street. Correct. Okay. Lot more. Few more. Just sort of generally, I'm not asking you to give me a number. I mean, I understand negotiations or. Yeah, yeah. I guess it depends on your definition of a lot more. All right. But you will inform us. Absolutely. Yes. No, we will communicate with you all. Okay. Absolutely. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Councilman Ortega seeing no other questions. The public hearing for Council Bill 1476 is closed. Are there comments by members of council? Councilwoman Sussman. Yes. But I think. Like, it's not like. I want to thank everybody for showing up so late at night. I also want to thank Nick Williams and Jason for all the work that you did to help us with this. I appreciate it. I looked up in the some history and you should have heard the outcry when the car was introduced into into the pedestrian way . And this from the Smithsonian. An outcry arose aimed squarely at drivers. The public regarded them as murderers walking in the streets. That was normal driving. Now, that was aberrant, a crazy new form of selfish behavior. And that a New York Times story nation roused against motor killings, decrying the homicidal orgy of the motorcar. Although some of this is kind of true, the that's Bruce Cobb said the slaughter cannot go on. The mangling and crushing cannot continue. Interestingly, there were cities that tried to outlaw cars because they were taking over what was a pedestrian walkway. And so it is very interesting to me that we have, you know, whenever new kinds of technology comes along, it's like, oh, well, now we can't have that. I mean, what are we going to do? We're going to have to change things around. This is, again, a reason why I really think we need a mobility department that takes a look and is ready for these kinds of things. The questions we have just about what's coming next. I, I, I read a lot about this stuff. Yes, there is already a new thing for scooters and that is that they turn into computers. You can put them in another mode and when you finish and get off of them, they will follow you. And so you can go into the grocery store with your scooter following you like a little puppy dog, and you can put your groceries into whatever basket is on there and then go, you know, go through there and then ride your scooter home. We need to have somebody that's always looking out for this. What are we going to do about the hoverboards and the and the motorized scooters or the motorized whatevers? You know, what are we going to do about the drones when they are already made, one that can hold a human being? And I think it's really important for us to try to stay as far ahead of this as we can, just so we don't get surprised and get and start scrambling. And I also don't want to forget my colleague, Paul Cashman, who also started like I did, like we got to do something about this at the very beginning. And so appreciate working with him on this project. Thank you, Councilwoman Sussman and Councilman Cashman as one of the sponsors. Would you like to go next? Oh, yeah, sure. Thank you, Mr. President. The only thing I wanted to add, I think the the real silver lining of this whole scooter experience for me is, is that it is pointed out how much work we have to do that we have to do to build out our. I know Councilwoman Sussman, I believe, calls them ABC Lanes, anything but cars. You know, we have such an intermittent system led to the complexity of this ordinance where they got to be on the sidewalks part of the time and in the street and then the bike lane. So the more work we can do on that, the more ready we will be for the next generation, whatever it happens to be. Although I don't know about lanes in the air for the the drone that. But that's all I've got. Thank you. Thank you. Councilman Cashman, Councilman Espinosa. Councilwoman Sussman, I think I need to check the Internet source on that. Are you sure that's not David Sachs at street level streetsblog back in the. Smithsonian dot com? No, I just wanted to thank first Lyft and then Byrd for pushing the issue and a little bit of civil disobedience on this front. You know, that's sort of near and dear to me. This was, you know, the technology of Dockless Bikes was out there for a long time. And we weren't we were in Stacy's watching City Public Works Not Act. And with one Friday, you know you you changed the whole discussion. And I think I think these rules were necessary. But we wouldn't have gotten here unless we if by talking about it, you know, trying to be preemptive in this regard and proactive. You guys were the proactive ones. And so, you know, so thanks for creating the market and hopefully we can actually use this sort of to pressure more multi modal lanes in the city that we can use for everything that travels at these speeds that are safe and outside of vehicular lanes, which do have some dangerous outcomes, as Jill is well aware of. So thanks. Thank you. Councilman Espinosa. Councilwoman Kennedy. Thank you, Mr. President. I want to first thank the sponsors, Councilwoman Sussman and Councilman Cashman, for taking this on. It was one of those things where I bet there were probably 13 calls going to the city attorney saying, this is insane, how do we fix it? And she she was on it. And I appreciate Kiersten for for working with folks and the others who are from the departments. So thank you. I wanted to follow up on the question I asked because I do support this ordinance. It's a step in the right direction. But I do have some feedback that I've gotten from folks with disabilities who are really concerned about the sidewalks and thoroughfares, because in many cases those are the worst sidewalks so shared in boulevards, sidewalks right next to the street, narrow Monaco. So Colorado Boulevard, many of the streets that we're prohibiting the scooters from, from being in the street in their back, on the sidewalks, are the ones that would be the most dangerous for folks who have a disability, who are trying to get along. And so I do think that I appreciate that you're having meetings and talking about accountability, and you can put this in the record book. But the comment that Councilman Espinosa made, this is exactly I feel the same way that you have to be doing more of the on the rider education front. And I don't think that it's just through the app. You know, when I think about the other social campaigns we've had, whether it be seatbelts or whether it be trash, you know, don't litter. There has to be an ubiquity to a message for it to penetrate. And I frankly, I mean, I'm imagining you having even clips of folks with disabilities getting blocked and what it's like and what what them then going into Colorado Boulevard or into Monaco to try to avoid a scooter to them get to their bus stop or get to where they're going. And just to show the impact of the behavior, and I think that's got to be more than just in the app. So it's got to be in advertising. I mean, by sponsored ads on social media, I'm confident you're promoting these technologies in social media. With sponsored ads, you should be, you know, promoting their responsible use. So. So I think you've got to be looking for for more assertive ways to get the social message out. And I also would say to I mean, this is where I would engage your writer community. One of the things I appreciate most about the cyclists community is the way that there is some self-policing. So, hey, if we want to be on trails, for example, and have multi-use trails and I'm talking more about mountain trails now than I am urban trails, then we need to cede the trail to the walkers. Right? And we need to, you know, be using reasonable speeds and running, you know? Yes. Sometimes we need to ride next to each other. And but other times we have, you know, the ability to ride in tandem. And, you know, I feel like I've heard cyclists having those conversations among themselves about how to expand acceptance of their mode by being better riders. Now, it's not perfect, right? You know, but I certainly think that that kind of self I mean, run a contest for your riders, for example, to to be more responsible. And I just and I think to I don't know what conversations you've had with the disability community, but to the extent if you haven't had a meeting with them specifically, I would be happy to make some introductions to some of the folks who've been communicating. They intended to be here tonight. I don't want to use their names because they obviously weren't able to stay this long, but but they did want to testify and share some of their concerns firsthand. So I'm out on a limb a little bit without using names, but I'd be happy to make some introductions. And so all of this is to say, yes, it's important to have emerging technology, and, yes, it's important to move this law forward. But I want to see the level of social responsibility go up, and it's got to be more innovative than what I heard tonight. So thanks. Thank you. Councilwoman. Can each. Councilman Lopez. I'm good, Mr. President. You're good. All right. Thank you very much. All right. I will just say thank you to the sponsors. Thank you to the administration, thank you to public works. Thank you to everybody who came to speak on this. I'm glad that we are taking these positive steps forward. And with that, I'm secretary roll call the. Sussman. I. I. Brooks. I. Espinosa, I. Flynn I. Gilmore. I. Herndon, i. Cashman. Lopez I knew. Ortega. I. Assessment i. Mr. President. I. I. Madam Secretary, please close voting announced the results. Of. 1513 I as comfortable 1476 has passed on Monday, February 4th, Council will hold a required public hearing on Council Bill 1482, changing the zoning classification for 4650 and 4698 Central Park Boulevard in Stapleton and a required public hearing on Townsville 1483 Changing the zoning classification for 2625 Walnut Street in five points.