Introduction of Ordinance Approving a Lease and Authorizing the City Manager to Execute Documents Necessary to Implement the Terms of a 5-Year Lease with Dreyfuss Capital Partners, a California Limited Liability Company, for Building 29 Located at 1701 Monarch Street at Alameda Point. [Requires four affirmative votes] (Base Reuse 819099)
Six C introduction of ordinance, approving a lease and authorizing the city manager to execute documents necessary to implement implement the terms of a five year lease with Dreyfus Capital Partners, a California limited liability company for Building 29, located at 1701 Monarch Street at Alameda Point, the site of requires for affirmative coaching. Thank you. Good evening, mayor and council members. I'm Ninette Mchunu in the hire. Thank you for. Good evening, mayor and council members. I'm Ninette Mchunu in the community development and based we use departments. What you have in front of you today is a five year lease for Building 1701 mana of Building 29, located at 1701 Monarch Street. This is an existing tenant who's been in the building since 2009. Currently, there are about 15 employees in the building. There are ten existing sub tenants. The building is used. It's one of our last remaining multi tenanted shop office spaces buildings at Alameda Point. We are in the process. As you know, you've recently approved two large buildings that will be multi tenanted, but those are for the food and beverage industries. And so this is one of the. We also have navigator systems, which has art spaces and other kind of some craftsmen. But this is this building specific to metalworkers and artisans and that and that. Medium. So at our last council meeting, when you approve or the last council meeting, I was that you approved a lease for Google. And many members of the community kind of said that you guys were only interested in those high tech, high educated jobs . And this this tenant provides skilled workers, the steel metal craftsmen, artisans. And so it is consistent with trying to develop a diverse workforce in Alameda. And we believe that the five year term is consistent with the development plans at Alameda Point. And I hope that you will consider approving this lease tonight. The the tenant is here. And if you had questions directly of him, he's open to answering your questions. And we do have public speakers. Okay. Oh, this is excellent. Yeah. The. All right. So I'm going to go ahead in any clarifying questions right now, but I'm going to go ahead and call the public speakers. Tim looks like L.A. I asked Tycho and then Wolfgang Brink and then Peter Dreyfuss. You can go ahead and line up and come on up and speak for 3 minutes. You can have up to 3 minutes. The. I'm in order. Good evening, Adam. Mayor Spencer and esteemed council members. My name is Tim. Likes to go and I'm a my day job. I'm a construction manager for the Oakland Housing Authority. I have a small workspace shop at building B29. I'm here for the sole purpose of. Of supporting Peter Dreyfus. And and your in proving his five year lease. Emma Griffiths helped partners with Peter Dreyfus supports small artisans. Craftsman. Metal workers and doing their work. That's something that doesn't go on. I have a shop out there just to keep me sane. As I said, I am a professional construction manager for Oakland Housing Authority. As my day job and I go out there in the evenings and weekends and practice woodwork and other metalworking machinery restoration. You know. I can say a lot and I won't. But again, Peter Dreyfus, I don't think anybody out there is getting rich, but they do provide a lot of resources for the community and artists and and artwork and craftsman style work and ask. Another thing I want to point out, Dreyfus Capital Partners provide provides for a reasonable and affordable rent. And I think if you look at the facts, you'll see why he should be given a five year lease. Thanks. Thank you. Wolfgang Brink. Hmm. Good evening, Mayor and city council members. My name is Wolfgang Brink. I'm a tenant building 29, and I've been Alameda resident for. 16 years and I've been out at the point. With Peter Dreyfus for the last ten years and we've. Been sort of hopscotching around. Because, you know, the clean up and things were going on. With me. We started out on one end of the seaplane lagoon, and we came to the other side and. Having having to move is very disruptive. I remember the last big move we had. We had huge machinery lathes and all kinds of stuff. And for for a small business person that's very expensive and disruptive. You know, if you make a move, if you don't do anything for two months. So set up again. So having a five year lease. You know, it's very critical to us that, you know, and and as Tim said. Lot of our small. Artists and artisans and craftspeople and. Small businesses operate on pretty narrow margins and having reasonable rents which rivals. Company provides us with is very critical to us and. And if. We have to move in two years or you know, it's it's there aren't a whole lot of places to go. And we have a. Wonderful community out there. And I think we do make a contribution even though we're a small group. Yes. Yeah. Just so what do you do? What I'm involved in. I'm a I'm a builder and. Of traditional Arctic kayaks. And I also teach kayak building. And one of the reasons one of the things that attracted me to the location out there is the proximity to water. So. And I've gone up to Alaska to teach kayak building at native culture camps. So yeah. So I just appreciate the opportunity to be out there. In this beautiful environment. Thank you. Hope you approve. Thank you very much. Our next speaker, Peter Dreyfus. Now, did you. You could wait and be the last speaker you could go. Now it's up to you. And we may very well be calling you back later. All right. Go ahead. Madame Mayor. Council people. Wolfgang Brink is just way too modest. If you Google him, you'll find 86 pages. World famous man who wrote the book on Illusion Native Arts. Thanks for this hearing. I signed a lease for a five year renewal out there at Building 29 about two and a half months ago. And I. Thought I would show up tonight. And just see a rather pro-forma signature by the city attorney. But as it turned out, about 28 hours ago, I got a letter. From The Net saying that the Sierra Club was a little bothered by our continued presence there for longer than two years. Now I could go on and on and tell you how great the building is and what we all do there. I personally am a steel sculptor. If you come out and I invite you all out there, you'll see my sculptures out in the sculpture garden, etc., etc.. But most of the guys there actually make a living doing high tech, very precise cad cam engineered machining work. And in the letter that I distributed, you'll find a list of the clients who go from MoMA to the new Giant Stadium in Santa Clara to Clorox, etc., etc.. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. If you still haven't. Visited. Oh, terrible. So I just want to rebut the letter that the Sierra Club issued, and I assume you all have a copy of it. It makes an argument that the Raptors. Our crouched on our roof and gobbling up the valuable birds. But if you follow that line of reasoning. Because of our location next to the wetlands. We must then demolish all the buildings on monarch that face that way. And that's not going to happen. My biggest regret is that the early master planners of the future development out here, the redevelopment of the point. Just erased our building. We can't redraw our self into the map. Unfortunately. I accept that. But I would beg your indulgence for five, seven, ten more years. And why? This is a unique building that the Navy left. It costs 18 or $19 million. It is a deluxe facility with. A lot of beeps and overhead cranes. And it's a it's a wonderful machining building. And a few of my colleagues will tell you a bit more. Thank you for your probably have speakers for you and you know so if you could hang around. We will be asking you. Thank you. Questions of thanks. All right. Andrea, Joe Hansen and then Thomas Bianco and then John Bouchet. Hello. My name is Andrew Johansen and I represent a business that is in Building 29. It's called Alameda. Of Wooden Trailers. What we do is we create small recreational vehicles. They're actually teardrop trailers in that traditional woody sense, and they are small enough and light enough to be towed behind a motorcycle. I'm an Alameda resident. My kids are here earlier, but. Unfortunately, bedtime hit. My father is, uh, Thomas Bianco. Merlin. He's the other half of the business. I'm the business side. He's the engineering side. And we love Building 29. It's been a wonderful opportunity to meet other artisans to hand our steel off to another part for specialty work, to look at the techniques that other woodworkers are doing. And it's been a wonderful environment. So I just would encourage you to do let us keep that amazing collaborative environment. Thank you. Mr. Bianco. Council members. I'm Thomas Bianco. I am the other half of element of wooden trailers. Peter Dreyfus. And I bumped into because somebody said the only thing we might have would be 5000 square feet of shop space. And we don't have any of that. We need 40,000. No, we build a trailer that will literally fit on top of that table. I'm building three of them right now in about 400 square feet. The ability for Peter to say, You know what, I like where you're going. And this looked like fun to me. We found a real home in 29 in the community. It's out there. Peter Dreyfus made it very easy for us to do what we hoped to do. If we're going to do this, we do it in Alameda, we create a business in Alameda. We go by all of the rules, all the numbers. I've been aerospace, manufacturing and engineering for 40 years. I have worked on or engineered. Just about everything you can think of somebody uses in a military. This is what I'm having a really fun time doing. I came off of a five year, five and a half year road trip. I had retired and we decided to do this here because we both love Alameda. I don't know if I'd have done it anywhere else if we had to go off island, because when we expand, we would hope to expand it. Not a whole lot. We don't want to be a major. We build a very custom product. We are artisans. I never thought of myself as that before, but I've got a particular way I want to do it and I sell a product. We try to sell a product that's the best we can because that's what we're proud of and that's one of the things we hope to continue. And when I start to bring in artisans to finish that work because I want to go play on the road, they're going to be in and out of this community, not just building 29, but the island. Thank you very much. Thank you. Joan Bouchet, Kris here and I son. And then Sean Cronin. Hello. Hello. Good evening, Mayor Spencer. City Council Member. City Staff. I'm John Boucher. You met my. Husband earlier, Wolfgang, and I love going to building 29 because there's a rich craftsman culture there. And people who have. A reason to visit there. Experience something wonderful and rare in our Urban Bay Area 2016 world. They get to be with the makers. They get to hang out with the people who are proud of what they're making. Potentially for the. Visitor. Hmm. Our building. 29 craftsmen like their neighbors in. Spirit Alley. Offers something meaningful to our Alameda community culturally and economically. And as someone who supports slow and well. Contemplated growth for Alameda. I am here to request that unless you have. A specific plan in progress. For developing that site. Please don't hasten to close down Building 29. If the question tonight is whether. To give them two or five years more. Make it five. Thank you. Chris. In the evening. Mayor Council members. My name is Christian Eisen and I have a company called Vector Pickle and I'm one of the tenants of Building 29. I am I don't consider myself an artist, but I am a craftsman and a manufacturer. I've been involved with industrial design and building things for pretty much all my life, and I run a business that out of Building 29 that is my livelihood and also employs other people, mostly on a part time basis at this time. But as as I need them. My clients include many names that you guys have heard, both locally and nationally, from Artemus Racing to Facebook to Old Navy. A lot of large and small customers and also a lot of local designers that are doing cutting edge work in furniture design and product design. My location in our building allows me kind of a unique perspective on the nature that goes around behind Building 29, which the Sierra Club is referring to. It has allowed me to observe the abundant and ever growing amount of wildlife out there. And I'm I've never ceased to be and may be amazed by how many animals are out there. We have geese, pelicans, hawks, even owls I've been startled by at night out there. Just the other day there were 20 herons standing next to the pond behind our building. Also out there are squirrels, rabbits, raccoons, occasional house cat, even some stray dogs. And they all seem to be thriving very well. There are raptors out there which the Sierra Club has referenced, and they do do what raptors do. And because of all the wildlife out there, that's why they're there. They they do go after most of the things they see them go after are the rabbits and the squirrels occasionally pigeons. I have not seen them do too many of the other birds, but it does happen, I'm sure, and that's kind of the natural way of things. Removing our building is not going to remove that. This is what this is what wildlife is. It's a natural occurrence. These birds nest our perch on our building. They perch on building 25, which is just down from us on the control tower, rock wall winery all down the row. It's it's a virtual smorgasbord for them out there. I mean, I hate to be blunt about it, but and removing our building is not going to change that. And I almost think that, you know, it's it's something that would allow people in Alameda to observe natural things going on. But I also want to say that this is not just a building full of people exploring their lives and doing pursuing their hobbies. This is viable businesses that employ people, that manufacture things for for companies in the Bay Area and beyond that desire our products. And I would urge you guys to please approve the five year lease and and let us stay there at least that long, if not longer. Thank you. Thank you, Sean. And then Irene Deeter and then Richard Baer. And then there are final speakers on this item. If you would like to speak on this, please submit your slip. Good evening. Their council members. Thank you very much. You pronounce my name wonderfully, Sean Cronin. I am a tenant of Building 29, part of the community. It's it's been a pleasure being out there. I moved in five years ago when we when they moved over from the other space after being relocated. I had recently graduated from the California College of the Arts, sculpture and furniture major, destined to be a full time artist. That's my dream. And I've I have sacrificed a lot to do that as my my community, my friends, my fellow tenants. The building is my my livelihood. That space, that studio space, I make my living out of that space. The point they made earlier, Wolfgang made about relocating. Sounds easy for a big business. It's almost a killer for a small business if you're not prepared for it. Moving at this point, moving two years from now even is daunting. Five years is even scary, frankly. And we've moved into this space knowing that the the the redevelopment plan was in action. And I'm excited to see what's happening and the changes that have already been made. But knowing that my time in Alameda might come to an end, because that's kind of the first thing to go in a big redeveloped redevelopment plan. When I heard the news that that Google was renting the big space right over from us, I was equally as excited as I was concerned that all of a sudden these big companies are coming in and that my MySpace. The days were numbered. So seeing this letter yesterday was a was a surprise. Recently, I've just reconfigured my studio space, which is a small part in the front of the building to have a a clean area, a space where I can actually have regular open studios, as I've had a number of over the years. I'm now encouraging more people to come and see my space and see my practice and the fact that the fact that now, you know, I'm nearly done. I'm nearly going to paint the walls white. And we are looking at a termination or an early termination of this lease. It's just it's just scary. So I invite you all out to see my work, to see what we do in the space and see the community that's out there. That, again, the low rent that Peter's provided in the space has really kept me in the Bay Area, frankly. West Oakland, there's still some spots here and there were small scale artists is the starving artist. I hate to say that, but that's that's what I'm doing. You know, I know a few that can survive right now in West Oakland, but it's happening over the Bay Area that artists are getting pushed out as as as what happens. So. I just encourage you guys to. Extend our time there. Five years, as Peter said, seven years. Ten years. I mean, really, I think the. Thank you very much. Thank you. Hello, Mayor and City Council. My name is Irene Dieter, and I'm here tonight to speak on behalf of the Sierra Club. We've sent you a letter which obviously the audience is aware of, too, which asks for us to shorten the term of the lease, to work with the tenant to find another location, and to set aside lease revenues from the building for demolition. And why did we ask for this? It's so that we're not here five years from now going through this exact same exercise. It's one thing for Dave Park to be on a planning map. It's another thing to follow that up with some action to actually make it happen. These tenants will eventually have to move if the city is serious about creating a wetland park there. So taking action tonight in some capacity to send a message to the environmental community that you are serious. It will. It will also show movement in that direction, and it will show funding agencies that Alameda is indeed ready to move forward with getting some grant funding. The timeframe of two years is not carved in stone. It was something that the Sierra Club did talk about very closely. We actually had the tenants in mind. We did it out of support to them because we felt that we wanted to give them first dibs on any available buildings out at Alameda Point before they're leased to somebody else. And we did not want them to be displaced should funding transpire in the meantime? Because I know that the lease, you can pull it at any time within five years. I think that's what it says in the least, that it's can be retractable at any time. And I was assuming that was because of in case funding is available for the to create the park. So we certainly wouldn't want to displace the tenants in a hurry and we definitely do not want to lose these tenants from Alameda Point. So the timeframe that we came up with was strictly in support of the tenants. And we it's unfortunate that it has come out that the Sierra Club is put in an animosity position because that was not our intention at all. It was to be supportive. So that counts if the council has another idea to make the deep Dave Park plans solidified tonight that coincides with this lease. We are of course, open to hear something else. But. But. To continue the status quo without any action tonight will just show that nothing is going to change on the ground . So we encourage you to do something tonight to show that you support De Pave Park. Thank you. Thank you. And Richard Banger. And he's our last speaker. I just have a clarifying question was, um, we're not considering Dave Park tonight. Correct. Okay. Just the lease for building 29. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. Members of the council and city staff. This area on the west side of the seaplane lagoon. Currently there's a what I would call a conflict of interests. We have an approved plan, but we also have existing tenants. And. I want these tenants to stay at Alameda Point. Small businesses like like theirs. They need help. They need help more than Google does. Google Mcconney. Is gambling with stockholders money that they may have something to sell. The artisans at Building 29 are actually producing products. If people buy their viable business, they're not speculating that they might sell something. So I want them to stay. But the conflict here is that. The plan that was approved in 2014 for the waterfront at Alameda Point. That wasn't. Created by the Sierra Club or by any other single individual or group. It was created by a consultant that the city hired and paid a quarter of $1,000,000 to. So the plan was approved. Building 29 was not part of the long range plan. Now, I sympathize with with the the tenants and the landlord. It's not fun to move. But this, whether it's lease is two years, three years, four years or five years. It doesn't guarantee that they're going to be there five years from now, four years from now or three years from now. Because, number one, there's a clause in the lease that says either party can cancel the lease without cause. Running in tandem with that is if the city is successful in getting grant money to build the park. The approved plans say that the buildings can be torn down when funding is available for the park. So this lease will you if you approve, two years, three years, four years or five years? It's not guaranteeing that these businesses are going to be here in three, four or five years. In fact, if you don't start looking now, five years from now, they may be moving to Oakland, Hayward or Union City or who knows where . So you can't package all this into this lease. But I think it is a good time right now to start thinking about how are you going to make a positive step to start implementing Deep Park? And some people may say, well, just. Focusing on this one building. You're doing it piecemeal. Well, that hasn't stopped us from starting piecemeal with the sports complex. We're not going to wait till we have another $15 million to start sports complex. You know, there's $5 million coming from the developer side, and we're going to start that very soon. So we can take a small step here. And I hope you would figure out something that would get us on that path. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right. So he's our last speaker on this item, council members and vice mayor. I think the. Two things that I want out out of this is one as I want the businesses to stay in Alameda point. And two is I want the park. And the park is in. The plan is a plan that was approved by this city after numerous public hearings and council approval. And it doesn't include Building 29. So one of the things that I'd like this council to consider is and I think the five year leases is appropriate for what might have to be done to accomplish both of these goals. When I was looking at the revenues that this lease would generate. It's about $250,000, give or take, over those five years of the cost of demolishing. Building 29 is about $300,000, give or take. And that's a key step in getting grants and paving paving the way for the park, the park opening the opening the process up to establish the park. That being said, I don't want to lose these businesses or this community from Alameda Point and there are other buildings at Alameda Point that could take this, but it's not an insignificant effort to move an operation like this. And that won't happen two years. So I think two years is an unrealistic time timeline. I think the five year lease gives us time to do a comp to do take steps to accomplish both of those goals. So I'm asking staff, oh, what would be the appropriate vehicles to to accomplish both of those goals with the goal number one, of moving the community to another location? Number two is removing Building 29. Setting the stage for expanding the wetlands and working on that southwest section of of this Pave Park. Can I just ask a question that follows along with that? We've been talking a lot about or hearing a lot about Dave Park, and as I understand from Ms. Wooldridge, who is both interim assistant city manager, but also the director of Recreation Parks. That's a park that is under her department's jurisdiction. Could we just hear a little bit from her about the funding and just to enlighten all of us in making her decision. A good that. Until you hear the. Answer, I think it's appropriate to let the vice me. Go. Okay. I think it's all related, but sure. But I would like to take this in steps. And one of the things that I'd like to to understand is because one of the thoughts that occurred to me is, is the lease revenues that come from this building and be set aside for the demolition of the building. So I'd like to focus first on Mike Tyson shares comments. I think it's important to let the. Yes. Okay. So two questions. One, about relocation of existing tenants. And I'm going to refer that question to Ms.. Marcano about what is available out there. And I'm sure she's been thinking about this, the removal of Building 29 and the proceeds. I would like to speak to that. I'll let her talk first. But I think it is related to vice mayor or excuse me, Councilmember Ashcraft question about other things we have in our list of priorities on parks. But I'll reserve that until Mr. McConnell is done. And I really want us to focus on the vice mayor's comments. Questions first. We can take them in order. Thank you. Good evening, Annette Mchunu from the Community Development Based Fees Department. So relocating the existing tenants, that's always a priority for staff because it's the best economic strategy is to retain businesses versus going to try to recruit new businesses. I'm. They're currently in our stock. There probably isn't a building that would meet the this this use. However, we are negotiating with a tenant a a developer who does exactly what these leases creates these creative spaces. It's not a food and beverage focus. And so there might be opportunity to do some sort of transition from building 29 to this new tenant if that lease is approved by the council. That would be the only thing that could potentially, I think, meet the needs. I mean, the thing that most people think about allow me to point is that, oh, we got all those buildings. But we are actually in the process of moving people out of buildings to make way for development. So. So our our stock is shrinking. And also these these tenants need they have a specialized need with overhead cranes and and also the ability to locate these uses next to each other. The requirement of the structure has to be just right. So because building 29 is this big concrete thing, it works for them. And so it is a priority for us to think about trying to relocate these tenants. Vice Mayor. And it is something that we will we will continue to make a priority and. There's some other things that we're trying to do to create more spaces at Alameda Point, more creative spaces, but I don't know quite the horizon for that. It's not it's not next year. It might be in the next five years. Vice Mayor, did you have. No, I think Ms.. McConnell's last comment about the five year time frame. Is is two years is not enough to accomplish what? It would take to meet that goal. It would take something more perhaps in the next five years. Thank you. Okay. And then you had questions for. Right. So the second question, which is about removing Building 29 and and taking the proceeds over over the five year period to demolish Building 29. So I'm sure those proceeds are spoken for and I'm looking at Miss Ott. But I think the larger question is really for us on staff, and I think this is where Ms. Wooldridge can chime in here, which is we have some already some significant priorities in the area of parks and just to name a few, Jean Sweeney Cruise Park, which has been on the drawing board for a very long time . We have estuary park, we have internal boat ramp. Those are all things that are already have we've already been directed to make sure those things are happening. Adding on to that now is Deep Park. Now does it mean that we are not permitted to be D Pave Park? But there's only so much that we can do in the time that we have and with our limited resources. So I'm just putting that out there to this council. So you recognize we have a very serious plight not only to construct parks, but then to maintain them there. Yes, and I understand that. And I think the horizon for executing D Pave Park in the Wetlands is a long one and we have to take steps to it. And I don't want to I would rather apply the logic that we did when we. I spent $1,000,000 to buy the Beltline and invest the million plus in the legal costs to get us in the position to buy that. Even though we were strapped then because having 22 acres of park in the middle of the city was worth it and it's a long horizon. We're also it's not a question of whether staff is committed or this council's committed. Our plan commits us to this park. And unless this council or a future council changes that plan, we're committed. So I'd like to get the ball rolling and. Make sure that we've got real milestones that that put us along the path to get us to the park and the time that it will take to provide the time that it will be needed to provide money to maintain the park. It's quite a ways out. But unless we start putting the pieces together, just like the acquisition of the Beltline property that sets up Jane Sweeney Park, the act was the execution of this plan depends on that building going away. So what I would recommend, because we're talking money and money does come into your conversation soon because we're going to be doing, starting in March, our mid-cycle review for our next fiscal year, $250,000 is a significant amount of money. And so I think what we can do is I can ask Ms.. Ott and Ms.. Marcano to take a look at that. But I mean, that means that now that money is not going into the base reuse department. And so there are other things that will have to come off the table. So that's something that this council has to decide if that's a priority, and we can bring it back at that time. All right. Any other council members member. Did you want to speak now? I'm just not sure if we're ready to have that discussion today as part of the lease. I mean, I think I'm happy we should consider the lease, you know, on its own, within the four corners of the lease, and then kind of defer that that discussion to another time without making any commitment. I mean. The exact number is 258 to 4708. Just because I did add it up. Tony sorry to do it, if that's okay. But, you know, I see nothing that I've heard today that would make me want to vote against this lease. I mean, I think these are the type of jobs that we want to not only create in Alameda with our maker spaces and our incubator spaces, but these are the jobs we want to keep in Alameda. And I haven't I have yet to hear a plan. Mr. McConnell. You said we don't have a space for for these businesses now. So I mean. I'm perfectly happy with going with the five year lease and ready to vote to approve it. Member de. SAC. Thank you. The question before us tonight is whether to move forward with the lease or not, whether to move forward it as is or or not. And in a modified or in a modified fashion, I think the answer to that question stands on its own. I think this is a valuable project. I think the type of activity that's there is the type of activity that not just here in Alameda Point, but in the United States that we want to encourage in order to encourage small, artisanal craft manufacturing. You need to build the appropriate space for for such activities. It's very difficult. And fortunately, at Building 29, a number of like minded entrepreneurs found a place where they can work with each other and as indicated by the homemaker, you know, work with nature as well. So I think for me, the answer to the question is that we should move forward. I would encourage vice mayor, Battery City or I don't know if you or council member Ashcraft, if they're so interested on a parallel track separate from this, to move forward with some kind of council community referral as to how to begin to implement the DE Pave Park. But at least, you know, we would have started this. So. I'm ready to move forward. Remember Ashcroft? Thank you, Mayor Spencer. Thank you for all the speakers. Whenever I'm out and about and this week, I've had an opportunity to visit some other job sites in our city and the main island. Not at all made a point, but it was really intriguing hearing from all of you. And I am going to Google you, Mr. Brink, but the we have a lot of talent here in Alameda. And I do think that added Alameda point, we have a rather unique situation when you just think of all the creativity that's going on from the high tech to the Spirit Valley and the food and beverage purveyors and these artisans and craftspeople. And we I know a number of us on the council are concerned about the loss of jobs in the face of development. This is a little bit different because, yes, this is the future site of a park, but I don't see the D paved park plan and a five year lease for Building 29 is mutually exclusive propositions. I spent a little time talking with Jeannot this week is the zero added Alameda point and and I also talked from to Ms. Wooldridge from time to time. We, we definitely have this park and many others on the horizon. It's another conversation for this council to make if we're going to take away money from the parts that are already in the queue. But Ms. Wooldridge is also quite a genius at getting us grant funding and perhaps the Sierra Club can be out there beating the bushes too. I don't know what all the opportunities are for funding, but the point is that the work will most likely be done in phases when it comes to doing the park and there's nothing that says the first phases can't take place farthest out from the building. And so at this point in time, I, I prefer to follow the recommendations of our staff. They're out there on a daily basis. They know the situation. And yes, our lease revenues are spoken for. If we decide to defer divert them for some years, that's a council decision, just not before us tonight. But at this point in time, I could not support eliminating jobs and lease revenue. And again, these are unique uses that are have found their their way to Alameda point it's it's recycling it's free use of existing buildings and so I'm going to support this ordinance in the five year term. And then I just want to add a little footnote. This is directed to you, Ms.. And Ms.. Mercado. You know, you've done a couple of really cool tours out to Alameda Point. We did a bicycle tour one time and we did a walking tour maybe a year ago. So maybe the next time we do a tour, if we could. And if you all would be willing, it sounds like you'd be willing to open your doors and have the public come in, because I don't want you to be the best kept secret in town. I think not only our local residents, I think folks in the in the surrounding Bay Area would be very interested to see see what you're doing out there and maybe become your customers. So that's that's my ask. Thank you. But I'm prepared to support this. So when you look at Deep Park, I have a question. So I think it was last council meeting, we had the speaker come and say that I think this is the area where they want to drive back. This is the area where you cut through the. Was it here it is right here. Okay. So this so personally, I would like us to try to take steps. While the building is there to make this area more accessible to the public. We're in the process of removing the pedestrian gate to allow cars to go through. Okay. So I think that's a big step. So I appreciate that. And then we'll be able to take pictures to that because that was another complaint that we've heard periodically. Currently, people can walk through there and this was the area that we put the fencing in to try to prevent vandalism, car shows, things like that. But we hear the public and we hear from you. We want to make it more accessible. So we are going to to make it car accessible. Okay. So I appreciate that. And that's important to me and I think it's important to our public. And so stop thinking that we have to demolish this building in order for the public to have access to this area. Is is not true. We are working on giving this area more accessibility, you know, giving the public more accessibility to this area. And I think that is a big step in regards to this building. I've never been inside this building. I appreciate Member Ashcroft's idea. Maybe it could be like an open house or something. I don't even know that the city has to be involved in it, but I know that I've been there are open, you know, open studios throughout town, different artists have. So maybe it's more like just like an open studio or something like that. That doesn't necessarily have to involve staff in regards to staff's plan of our steps moving forward with this park. I think that that's. Separate issue, and I don't know when that will circle back. But I do know that and I that we have many other parks, that we have a lot of work to do, significant work and. This is just one of them. So I think maybe it would be appropriate at some point to show us what the plan is. But there really is a plan. And not only is it limited money, it's also limited staff time. And we really do want the parks to be done well. And so I don't think you can doing all of them at once, as much as we'd like to have that done. But that doesn't mean that we won't get to this just like it doesn't mean that we're never going to get to cruise the park even then, I think, which is where I live near. We've been waiting since my kids were little and now they're, you know, in their twenties. So sometimes it takes a while to get to these parks. It doesn't mean that we're giving up on our parks. It just means that for us in this manner, you know, we have so much staff and so much money. So I do plan to support this and I appreciate trying to open up this area so that the public can have access in the meantime. And I'm confident that this doesn't that moving forward with this lease doesn't mean that we're not committed as a city to Deep Pave Park. And I am concerned about trying to find new space or these tenants. I think it's very important, as you've heard from other council members and I'm sure you'll hear from our community, we like having these craftsmen here. And so that to me has to be part of moving, trying, trying our hardest as a staff to accommodate them somewhere so that we don't lose that part of who Alameda is. But I do think that's real important. So I appreciate staff's effort, too, and trying to help them figure out how to relocate. And then I think it I think that they can stay there until we need them to move. I don't think we need to demolish the building way ahead to being able to do anything else. And I think we can. Get access and improve access while the building is there operating supporting our craftspeople. Yes. So a question to staff, maybe the city attorneys. How do we get that? That sentiment, the sentiment that that building is not going to be there forever. And at some point people are going to have to leave people who we want to have at Alameda Point. How do we get that high on the priority list so that there's a report back so that there's progress toward that goal? We have a five year window with this lease. So I personally am asking the question if we have this five year window with this lease. How do we. And I and from Mitch McConnell said it's going to take five plus years. How do we get that so that it's it's not just something that slips to the bottom of the pile, but is something that we actually accomplish as a goal. I think you do counsel referral because at this point I'm not. Asking the staff. To give direction. Yeah, I'm sorry. Would that be in the form of a council referral? But because I don't think you really I don't think there's necessarily three councilmembers that want to prioritize demolishing the building ahead of being able to help it with the paperwork. It doesn't sound like that's what the vice mayor is suggesting. I think he's just suggesting he wants to make sure that the tenant he just wants to make sure that the tenants recognize that at some point, you know, we won't be renewing their lease. Is that. That's correct. Right. I think that's just want to moralize that. But I think that's already in the plan. No, I don't know. Let me just. A comment was made about being able to terminate the lease. There is a provision in the lease that either party on 12 months notice can terminate the lease. But so that I understand. But I think the point is that they have heard you. They've clearly heard you. They're all here nervous and telling you how nervous they are. So I think the tenants understand you've heard this Mchunu tell you how she's working with trying to come up with a plan on where to move these people. So my recommendation would be not to try to do anything different to the lease, but go forward in approvals and that you will hear back from staff. And I think what the city manager was suggesting is we don't necessarily need a council referral. We heard you will come back and report in leasing, leasing program and projects how we're. Moving forward with that. Oh, okay. I, I understand that. And I think the five year lease is something I support. It's though I want the parallel track to be a little bit more than coming back and reporting to us. I'd like to. I'm asking you what it's going to take to make it a priority and a priority, among other priorities that's ranked somewhere. And just for clarification, that the priority you're speaking about is the paved park. It's related to the paved park. It's more directly related to Building 29. That is demolishing the building or is it figuring out where a deep park is in relation to other parks? We know. That's what I'm not sure what you're speaking. About. It's demolishing the building. Okay, so that's what I thought they might get about. But let me. So that's the first I want to clarify. You're really asking, how do we prioritize demolishing the building? Mm hmm. Okay. So that's why I said earlier that I don't think that we necessarily have three votes to prioritize demolishing a building ahead of coming up with when we're actually going to need the building demolished. In regards to how does that fit in with the building of the paved park? Because I personally would not want to demolish a building just to have it be demolished when we haven't figured out when we're going to be able to do bigger improvements that require that. I think there are things that we can do to make that area more accessible. And we have a lot of other park work we're doing. So so that's why I was saying that. I don't know if that's the ask, how do we prioritize that? I would think it does need to be a referral. It backs it back up a little bit from that because. If we have five years of five year lease and at the end of that five years we have no plan for what happens, then it kind of rolls out and the part gets rolled out with it because. That that building is right next to the wetland. And part of the removal of that building is a key in getting outside funding to expand that wetland. So I think that it's not as simple as I just want the building torn down. That's its that's not it. I want to make sure that when the building is ready to be taken down, we don't have a problem with losing tenants. So Vice Mayor Matt, R-S.C.. I think the mayor is actually right. We are now veering too far off of what we have on the agenda. And there'll be a council referral. That made that yes member. I'd like to move approval of the ordinance approving a lease and authorizing the city manager to execute documents necessary to implement the terms of a five year lease for the Dreyfus Capital Partners of California LLC for Building 29, located at 1701 Monarch Street at Alameda Point second grade. Any Council comments? All those in favor. I. I. Motion carries unanimously. And it's just this is require a second reading. I'll come back, right? Yes. To second reading. Now settle. Come back. All right. We are moving through this agenda. We've made it to item six tonight. By. Regulation recommendation to approve the AC Transit Service Expansion Plan, Buena Vista Avenue Line 19.