###Instruction: Multi-class classification, answer with one of the labels:['no_consensus', 'delete', 'keep', 'comment', 'merge', 'redirect'] : ###Input:  Q97750907: Ates (Q97750907) : given name : ( delete | history | links | entity usage | logs ) Wrongly spelled Ateş, Turkish given name E4024 ( talk ) 19:54, 27 April 2021 (UTC) On hold This item is linked from 1 other. -- DeltaBot ( talk ) 20:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC) I did not notice Alasanne Ates Diouf ( Q62607405 ) but I guess Ates is not his given but middle name, probably part of the surname, showing some tribal link. (Naturally I may be wrong though.) -- E4024 ( talk ) 20:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC) @ E4024 : With the Transfermarkt player ID (P2446) of Ates Diouf (Q62607405) you can prove that it is his first name. Thus the data object Ates (Q97750907) has a structural benefit. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 16:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC) What a wonderful source, wow! Thanks a lot. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) However, I cannot understand how you added the language English to that so-called first name. Is the lingua franca in Senegal English? Does this guy have an "English surname" such as "Diouf"? You are very able to find practical solutions to practical questions. If you decided all those changes you made to this item and to that of the above-referred footballer, you are my favourite problem solver here. I will ask your help in the future wherever I am stuck in such dilemmas. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) I did not notice Alasanne Ates Diouf ( Q62607405 ) but I guess Ates is not his given but middle name, probably part of the surname, showing some tribal link. (Naturally I may be wrong though.) -- E4024 ( talk ) 20:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC) @ E4024 : With the Transfermarkt player ID (P2446) of Ates Diouf (Q62607405) you can prove that it is his first name. Thus the data object Ates (Q97750907) has a structural benefit. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 16:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC) What a wonderful source, wow! Thanks a lot. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) However, I cannot understand how you added the language English to that so-called first name. Is the lingua franca in Senegal English? Does this guy have an "English surname" such as "Diouf"? You are very able to find practical solutions to practical questions. If you decided all those changes you made to this item and to that of the above-referred footballer, you are my favourite problem solver here. I will ask your help in the future wherever I am stuck in such dilemmas. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) @ E4024 : With the Transfermarkt player ID (P2446) of Ates Diouf (Q62607405) you can prove that it is his first name. Thus the data object Ates (Q97750907) has a structural benefit. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 16:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC) What a wonderful source, wow! Thanks a lot. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) However, I cannot understand how you added the language English to that so-called first name. Is the lingua franca in Senegal English? Does this guy have an "English surname" such as "Diouf"? You are very able to find practical solutions to practical questions. If you decided all those changes you made to this item and to that of the above-referred footballer, you are my favourite problem solver here. I will ask your help in the future wherever I am stuck in such dilemmas. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) What a wonderful source, wow! Thanks a lot. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) However, I cannot understand how you added the language English to that so-called first name. Is the lingua franca in Senegal English? Does this guy have an "English surname" such as "Diouf"? You are very able to find practical solutions to practical questions. If you decided all those changes you made to this item and to that of the above-referred footballer, you are my favourite problem solver here. I will ask your help in the future wherever I am stuck in such dilemmas. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) I did not notice Alasanne Ates Diouf ( Q62607405 ) but I guess Ates is not his given but middle name, probably part of the surname, showing some tribal link. (Naturally I may be wrong though.) -- E4024 ( talk ) 20:52, 27 April 2021 (UTC) @ E4024 : With the Transfermarkt player ID (P2446) of Ates Diouf (Q62607405) you can prove that it is his first name. Thus the data object Ates (Q97750907) has a structural benefit. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 16:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC) What a wonderful source, wow! Thanks a lot. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) However, I cannot understand how you added the language English to that so-called first name. Is the lingua franca in Senegal English? Does this guy have an "English surname" such as "Diouf"? You are very able to find practical solutions to practical questions. If you decided all those changes you made to this item and to that of the above-referred footballer, you are my favourite problem solver here. I will ask your help in the future wherever I am stuck in such dilemmas. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) @ E4024 : With the Transfermarkt player ID (P2446) of Ates Diouf (Q62607405) you can prove that it is his first name. Thus the data object Ates (Q97750907) has a structural benefit. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 16:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC) What a wonderful source, wow! Thanks a lot. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) However, I cannot understand how you added the language English to that so-called first name. Is the lingua franca in Senegal English? Does this guy have an "English surname" such as "Diouf"? You are very able to find practical solutions to practical questions. If you decided all those changes you made to this item and to that of the above-referred footballer, you are my favourite problem solver here. I will ask your help in the future wherever I am stuck in such dilemmas. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) What a wonderful source, wow! Thanks a lot. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) However, I cannot understand how you added the language English to that so-called first name. Is the lingua franca in Senegal English? Does this guy have an "English surname" such as "Diouf"? You are very able to find practical solutions to practical questions. If you decided all those changes you made to this item and to that of the above-referred footballer, you are my favourite problem solver here. I will ask your help in the future wherever I am stuck in such dilemmas. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) @ E4024 : With the Transfermarkt player ID (P2446) of Ates Diouf (Q62607405) you can prove that it is his first name. Thus the data object Ates (Q97750907) has a structural benefit. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 16:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC) What a wonderful source, wow! Thanks a lot. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) However, I cannot understand how you added the language English to that so-called first name. Is the lingua franca in Senegal English? Does this guy have an "English surname" such as "Diouf"? You are very able to find practical solutions to practical questions. If you decided all those changes you made to this item and to that of the above-referred footballer, you are my favourite problem solver here. I will ask your help in the future wherever I am stuck in such dilemmas. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) What a wonderful source, wow! Thanks a lot. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) However, I cannot understand how you added the language English to that so-called first name. Is the lingua franca in Senegal English? Does this guy have an "English surname" such as "Diouf"? You are very able to find practical solutions to practical questions. If you decided all those changes you made to this item and to that of the above-referred footballer, you are my favourite problem solver here. I will ask your help in the future wherever I am stuck in such dilemmas. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) What a wonderful source, wow! Thanks a lot. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) You can certainly argue about sources. But you can use them. I don't know how reliable it is exactly. That's why I wouldn't mind if you used the property reason for deprecated rank (P2241) and one of the data objects cannot be confirmed by other sources (Q25895909) or source known to be unreliable (Q22979588) in the statement. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) However, I cannot understand how you added the language English to that so-called first name. Is the lingua franca in Senegal English? Does this guy have an "English surname" such as "Diouf"? You are very able to find practical solutions to practical questions. If you decided all those changes you made to this item and to that of the above-referred footballer, you are my favourite problem solver here. I will ask your help in the future wherever I am stuck in such dilemmas. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) That was my fault. In Senegal, of course, French is spoken and not English. Sorry Of course, that would have to be changed for the data. Thanks for the hint. -- Gymnicus ( talk ) 14:49, 26 May 2021 (UTC) Not at all. You can also change the language to some indigenous language of Senegal; as long as you enjoy this much liberty... BTW who else from France, Belgium or Monaco we know with the name "Ates"? I mean excepting Turks with the name " Ateş " wrongly spelt... -- E4024 ( talk ) 14:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC) @ E4024 , Gymnicus : German politician Ates Gürpinar (Q54821874) uses this variant of the name himself. I think we can therefore close this discussion as Keep , don’t you think? -- Emu ( talk ) 16:44, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Not for me. He does not use it "himself", German authorities oblige the Turks to write their names in German letters, no normal Turkish parent will think of giving their son a name like Ates which does not exist. BTW his surname is Gürpınar ( Q66739332 ). Ask his father if you do not believe me. They brought their family name with them from Turkey. -- E4024 ( talk ) 16:55, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Actually, German authorities don’t force you to change your name. In any case: The name exists if it is used, especially so if it’s used in official documents of a sovereign country. Epistemological discussions of this sort are interesting, but not really relevant to Wikidata. -- Emu ( talk ) 17:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC) We will have a problem if we start writing people's names in the way some thinks they ought to be rather than in the way the reference we use does.  --- Jura 17:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) Actually, German authorities don’t force you to change your name. In any case: The name exists if it is used, especially so if it’s used in official documents of a sovereign country. Epistemological discussions of this sort are interesting, but not really relevant to Wikidata. -- Emu ( talk ) 17:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC) We will have a problem if we start writing people's names in the way some thinks they ought to be rather than in the way the reference we use does.  --- Jura 17:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) Actually, German authorities don’t force you to change your name. In any case: The name exists if it is used, especially so if it’s used in official documents of a sovereign country. Epistemological discussions of this sort are interesting, but not really relevant to Wikidata. -- Emu ( talk ) 17:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC) We will have a problem if we start writing people's names in the way some thinks they ought to be rather than in the way the reference we use does.  --- Jura 17:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) We will have a problem if we start writing people's names in the way some thinks they ought to be rather than in the way the reference we use does.  --- Jura 17:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Actually, German authorities don’t force you to change your name. In any case: The name exists if it is used, especially so if it’s used in official documents of a sovereign country. Epistemological discussions of this sort are interesting, but not really relevant to Wikidata. -- Emu ( talk ) 17:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC) We will have a problem if we start writing people's names in the way some thinks they ought to be rather than in the way the reference we use does.  --- Jura 17:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) Actually, German authorities don’t force you to change your name. In any case: The name exists if it is used, especially so if it’s used in official documents of a sovereign country. Epistemological discussions of this sort are interesting, but not really relevant to Wikidata. -- Emu ( talk ) 17:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC) We will have a problem if we start writing people's names in the way some thinks they ought to be rather than in the way the reference we use does.  --- Jura 17:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) We will have a problem if we start writing people's names in the way some thinks they ought to be rather than in the way the reference we use does.  --- Jura 17:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Actually, German authorities don’t force you to change your name. In any case: The name exists if it is used, especially so if it’s used in official documents of a sovereign country. Epistemological discussions of this sort are interesting, but not really relevant to Wikidata. -- Emu ( talk ) 17:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC) We will have a problem if we start writing people's names in the way some thinks they ought to be rather than in the way the reference we use does.  --- Jura 17:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) We will have a problem if we start writing people's names in the way some thinks they ought to be rather than in the way the reference we use does.  --- Jura 17:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . We will have a problem if we start writing people's names in the way some thinks they ought to be rather than in the way the reference we use does.  --- Jura 17:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Oh really? Of course your comments do not surprise me, when you added here hundreds of Turkish surnames with their references but for some reason you never added the "native language" nor "language of work or name" to those items, although it ( Turkish ) was written in the sources you yourself used. You also claimed Ertekin to be an "unknown language" surname, remember? You also invented, sorry introduced a thingy for "name without diacritical etc" ( if there are two different names why do we need that ?), and  in every occasion you found in ORCID or any other place a misspelled Turkish given or surname -bots do not use ş,ı,ü,ğ if you do not teach them- you added the "without diacritical marks" alternative names and surnames you opened to those people but in many of those cases you only added the name or surname of non-diacritical treasure, without using the other one (the name or surname, it was somehow enough for you to use only a name or a surname...) which already was present in WD. I can imagine you have an agenda about all this but of course I have no doubts about your good faith. (However, when you asked some sort of admin button, I saw that other people had doubts to give you the button.) Maybe you can declare your project to the community. Best regards to all. E4024 ( talk ) 19:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . Thanks for giving me credit for the compilation method of the US census surname index, it's entirely undeserved though. I can't make much sense of the remainder of your comment, but it seems even further from Q97750907 anyways. I suppose we can close this as "not done". --- Jura 08:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC) At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . At least you concede that my contributions are referenced. Apparently, something you consider optional [1] [2] . {{Notdone}} @ Jura1 , E4024 : I’m closing this. The deletion request hinges on the notion that this name does not exist. It has been shown that it does. It might be “false” or “wrong” or “forced upon”, but it is used in reality. That’s what counts in Wikidata. -- Emu ( talk ) 11:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC) Notdone removed per request on Topic:Wcw8ev1xrxfo3453 . I still think that this is an open and shut case, but I’m happy to let another admin decide. -- Emu ( talk ) 16:41, 17 July 2021 (UTC) Keep In the Netherlands both first names exist, see Ateş and Ates , be it in low numbers. It shows that Dutch authorities do not force to write the name without diacritics, but that this orthographical variant without diacritics nevertheless really exists. Lymantria ( talk ) 17:14, 26 October 2021 (UTC) If there was a change, we would have two statements, be it a voluntary one or not. --- Jura 13:51, 10 December 2021 (UTC) Not done There's no consensus to delete this. Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk ) 23:49, 12 February 2022 (UTC)