I think that Mr  has lost his bet  because  we are a party  who is not obsessed by ideology  we are not prepared to act indefinitely  like bulls in a china shop  when the owners of the shop have an infinite supply of china  We want to move forward and we want to move forward in the real world and the idea that a strong government and sticking to what you want through thick and thin when clearly you're not going to get the result you want, as indeed the government did over the poll tax, in the end you have to recognise the reality  the Labour group, as much as anything else, are part of that reality.