Mr Chairman, if  decent people find it necessary er to kill animals they believe be vermin  they don't dress up in red coats and call them pink and er charge er, er, er, about er drinking st stirrup cups and tooting horns, er they go out and kill the vermin, it's a necessary job that has to be done and of course, er there are many ways in which foxes could be killed without cruelty  if it is necessary to kill them.