W we still seem to debate certain things three, four and five times they creep their way through to the main committee and full council  and I have to say that  the point in para B about the report we've been sent not recognising the reduction in local er government responsibilities  it it is  it's a bit rich, because our response to that report doesn't recognise that  when I first arrived here Chairman we had  the education department which was responsible for all the schools, six colleges of further education, college of art, college of agriculture, the teacher training college at  and a major polytechnic.