Now if you come to Caldmore, you'll find out then that the majority of the  married ladies had worked in  I mean  I should say that erm I know my mother was very snooty she'd been an apprentice to some dressmakers in  Street and work for one year for nothing she always used to tell me, and she was quite er toffee- nosed about these  girls that used that er that used to go, well they were very respectable people, and when I was a kid when I growing up in my teens a lot of the girls I used to know were in the offices at  er it they employed about fifteen hundred people at  in those days you know I mean coming out of at night it was fighting your way against the crowd if you were going towards it, and the same thing going through the square for people who have worked in  when they left that's why all those shops in the square used to do reasonably well, it was the  people walking through to go up the other side of Walsall, but there was a crowd of people I can, I can always remember as a kid a crowd of people and then there'd be  well you can tell it was along  Street in those days I can remember  fruiters' carts where the girls used to go and buy apples, and that all sort of going along there you know people used to wait for them coming out, these are my impressions as a kid I mean I  can remember the, the er and the men of course were cutters and various people and a quite a lot of my father's friends were, were er had er skilled jobs at  as cutters and managers of the cutters' department and that sort of thing.