Yes sir, on the erm  first part erm  in in clarification if I might sir  the erm  question of er briefing the Chairman is in fact dealt with in paragraph forty seven of annex C of P P G twelve  although I'm grateful for information on paragraph forty eight, erm and it says amongst other things  that er there shall be a briefing and that briefing, the contents of that briefing shall be made public  can I press the er  spokesman for the environment committee to tell us  er  why in fact that wasn't done  and whether he thinks there can be prop proper public debate  if it isn't done.