Er, Chairman erm, I do believe that this has always been an issue erm  of vested interests and bureaucracy administration but all I want to say to members of the council today as a member of the youth and community advisory committee is that extremely serious er  far reaching decisions are gonna have to be taken because  we were told at the last meeting of that sub committee  that just to stand still because of the changes in legislation regarding transfer of funds to the  er F E funding council, we will lose a further two million pounds next year so even if we  er do not have to  find any cuts within our own budget that money is going out of this authority's budget  it may come back in in commissioning agreements but because of the  different timescale that the funding council works on  we probably won't know that when we come to set our budget  and really the issue for the Labour group I think in particular as councillor  has said, is the question of budgetary control.