Men ,men , mentioned here by our friend, that Leicestershire has got no business to discuss about fox hunting, we are not elusive, there are other county councils who have banned fox hunting on their land, so do not make  this as a sacrosanct and  or something that Leicestershire are doing, they are not doing first, there are so many other county councils in this country and for your information, I was listening to radio four few days ago, even in Pakistan, a third world country, is banning hunting in their country, we should be ashamed of ourselves here to discuss, I agree with Councillor  when the discussion start and he said  move for the ward, because the logical thing was to move for the wards rather than discuss, if we all believe that this is  horrible, acrimonious and abhorrent in today's day and age, as the slavery was abhorred two hundred years ago.