In actual fact I've got a friend and I go potholing with him, we meet, he's a Kendall farmer, he's a a sheep farmer  and er, we meet and he says  you know what I've got a problem with  on my land, not foxes  dogs and walkers that haven't got them on the leads  and crows at lambing time cos they peck their eyes out  and things of that calibre, he says yes, I'll tell you what I'll bet you I've had animals taken by foxes  he, he says I probably have, he said but I've not had this kind of unindeighted killing as.