I now turn to the adoption minutes of city hall  and  now it is a process of  in that city hall did not endorse a recommendation from the finance panel, the budget that came from finance panel erm so we are in the slightly unusual position of having to debate the proposals of finance panel as we were recommended to do by city hall, erm  that means as I understand it that er the chair of city hall will now present the annual budget statement  erm and since he is going to do that in a form of an amendment er that  seven other unusual features about the way in which we would normally do it which would mean that there would be er a budget statement and where  there would then be the the formal proposals and amendments themself, erm so what I would propose is to try and make sure that everybody has, has maximum opportunity to have their say  erm   because no two amendments can be on the floor at one time er  to take what the leader of the council  said first of all erm  then to allow the other two leaders  to present their budget alternatives as it were, without it be, this is just not  didn't take it at that point if they don't want to.