That's one of the reasons why I'm, why I'm also interested in er in Freud because I think Freud provides that, I happen to think that Freud's studies of, of crowd group psychology actually explain that, although it takes time to you know, certainly not at five minutes to four, it takes time to explain, but I think there is an explanation there and I think you c y y you can claim that there are certain emotions to do with identification and idealization,th that our genes have a programmer  which things like erm nationalistic erm, erm er kind of jingoism can exploit in a modern culture which in primal cultures would have  primal cultures people identify with their, with their local kin and their local culture and that's  that might ultimately promote their reproductive success, but that in modern cultures, this identification occurs with erm  on a completely different level and with lots of people will not  merely because you need so many more people  modern cultures you have much more erm much bigger groups and you just meet many more people that, than you were ever  th there is some interesting research, research recently published for instance which shows erm  organizations seem to have a critical size and that people are not really able to track more than about two hundred and fifty other people, in other words you can have face-to-face relationships with up to about two hundred and fifty others, but once it gets beyond two hundred and fifty it's too much and you start forgetting somebody  as if the brain was primed to an optimum group size and once you get above that you just can't keep .