without protest from a parent, without a protest from a hunter  without a protest from er a anyone else, that is a shame, because I tell you what, if you go drag hunting, you can keep the jobs  the people are still going to have to shoe the horses   traders and people like that are still going to have to produce the carriages to take the horses with them and the only people  job jobs are in jeopardy are not the kennel staff  it's the terrier men  and to be quite honest, ladies and gentlemen, it's the terrier men who have actually ruined your sport, cos of what they get up to in nineteen ninety three is a disgust  and at the end of the day your P R has been absolutely wrong  and I hope this afternoon  that  Conservatives and Liberals can join with us and I've got to thank a certain Liberal because he's  he's put his head on the block on several occasions on this when we stood on the platform as individuals, not as  politicians, as individuals on this and I think that this afternoon  we've got a way forward, we can say to the hunt, come and talk  you change, we'll give you access.