Mr Chairman er  when we discussed this last time  er I expressed the view that in fact er  the county council had better things to do  I've not changed my mind erm since but I have been reminded that er  when er  the  Roman Emperors er  found ascension in the  ranks  when Roman Emperors found ascension in the ranks  they  provided bread and circuses  and I have to say that I regard the two notices of motion which were placed in Mr   notably fox hunting and this debate on V A T as  bread and circuses.