A result, I can't hear myself speaking if I  are the policy and resources committee there were other  they were erm  er in the debate  there were some very good  cases brought in to it and some erm good recommendations and this is why I'm surprised I'm er forget now why, there were some who were er against  by majority because  I believe that when we look down  on the decisions  of the P N O, we have made some very good recommendations  if I say so  it says on  twenty, paragraph twenty  in  and you people on this authority, members of this authority have been saying  a a clear definition of the role of the local government now  and for the next twenty years, should underpin any consideration of local authority management  structures and the role of members and therefore the joint working party's consideration begin  from an inadequate base.