No they were, that's what they were  weren't it when it all happened, the old Revered somebody or other, they  wilful murder  but erm  yeah basically it doesn't seem like, there was no real evidence as to who erm fired first and there was no conclusion that the  about that, but they were certainly I R A gunmen, para's, its like without a doubt if you know some people, but  like with those high powered weapons they may, alright its unfortunately that somebody may have got shot, but it may not of been the main shot, that may, may of been a ricochet or, or anything like that, both their  they've got a killing range of up to three mile  so  one mate come round, he says he's gonna come round again tomorrow and have a look at it  