oh, is that what Mr  said, I'm not stopping you asking this witness at all, I don't want, you mention the brochures and I don't want to ask him questions, the kind I want to ask, er, with which they're not asked by Counsel, I shouldn't ask at this stage anyway, but by all means ask Mr  about it, I just thought Mr  said, when I tried, asked him about it, very understandably, Mr  the man, cos you are totally free to ask about it of course 