I do not believe those powers would be of use My Lords  I er take the view that they would not have been abused by past Home Secretaries, no not by men like  the late Tutor Reed or the Noble Lord Jenkins or the Noble Lord Callaghan, they would not be abused today  by my Right Honourable Friend Mr Howard, I doubt if they would be abused by Mr Blair should he at some time become Home Secretary and I think we're becoming slightly attached to an artificial argument  that somehow or the other there is great respect for the local authorities, but which is not extended to the National Institutions of Government and to the Home Office and the Home Secretary.