when I was sixteen because it's then I started to get these free passes and I had a sister then who lived at Rye and I had never been across London so the next door neighbour came with me to see me across London er because I was so young you see and I said right as long as you show me across London I can come back alone, you see, and so I came back alone and I, that's when I started, so from sixteen and er and as I say I went to Cambridge in the nineteen thirty one, it was the last day of  well say nineteen thirty two, you see, and, and also in the twenties I was going on holiday alone and I went to once er to the Isle of Man and when I was er I, I sat next, well being by myself, you see, they put me in, to a little table near the wall.