but erm, I think I  down by his legs,all this and erm, you know, its bang, bang its just like, its over in a split second, you don't have time to be  this, I was there and there  nobody really new what was going on and all this sort of stuff, he was probably one of most honest about , well, one of the most honest little bloke more willing to speak about it,and he had this other one it was right you know like, er, well I'm already taking further than I'm willing to go on this course, what you need is, well look, you know, all I know is that we was  first,saying no more than that,not willing to go.