and i if, I mean i if you take   's argument, if you take  's argument, they are all to do with, with provinces in the south  and, and the argument is that here we have, we are looking at a commercialized viable economy  and both  and  and for example are all arguing really that landlordism is not the problem  the problem is that you, you, you, you  you need to go further in terms of commercialization and that that, and that's the way to go.