They also like things which are quite  so if the activity involving chairing a meeting, doing a role play, doing a presentation  although they may be nervous they actually enjoy that, they find they gain a lot from that  and they also like activities where to an extent there's a freedom from constraints, policy  structures, they don't like to feel bound  because if you think about it a lot of  are actually exploring  deep end situations trying new things out, they don't like to feel that constrained.