Well I didn't know anything about any none of us knew anything about anybody in those days, cos it was so early on in the, and we weren't, I was influenced more by people like blues er black blues singers, American blues singers like Muddy  and Lightning , all those old blues,, er they were the heroes for me that I grew up with playing skiffle and and then Lonnie became my first Lonnie  became by first hero and I er modelled a lot of my early singing on Lonnie.