For instance can someone call themselves a climber in Llanberis if they have n't climbed Ed Drummond 's masterpiece A Dream of White Horses or Joe Brown 's historic Cenotaph Corner .
However rather than these more generalised rites of passage in climbing there can be specific routes .
Can someone call themselves a climber in Llanberis if they have n't climbed Ed Drummond 's masterpiece A Dream of White Horses or Joe Brown 's historic Cenotaph Corner .
However rather than these more generalised rites of passage in climbing there can be specific routes .