Yeah , you know , Betzsy ( Nick Betz ) , ( Patrick ) Holway and a couple other guys , we just kind of hung out around with them and they kind of showed me the ropes .
Guys 've been through this stuff before .
Yeah , you know , Betzsy ( Nick Betz ) , ( Patrick ) Holway and a couple other guys , we just kind of hung out around with them and they kind of showed me the ropes because they 've been through this stuff before .