Ivanovic said that at some times he did not know whether he was dealing with a notary or with the acting governor .
Ivanovic ' charges related to the ownership of the building , which Van der Pluijm - Vrede supposedly incorrectly handled .
Ivanovic said that at some times Van der Pluijm - Vrede did not know whether Van der Pluijm - Vrede was dealing with a notary or with the acting governor .
Ivanovic ' charges related to the ownership of the building , which Van der Pluijm - Vrede supposedly incorrectly handled .