please note that this question deals with *undirected* knots/links!


The most generic cubic skein relation for a knot polynome would be


$$S^2=wvS+w/S+w^2(u-v)I-u\cdot\infty$$


where $w^3$ is one positive writhe unit. The form is fairly obvious from
some self-consistency demands. Now since 20 years or so I try to prove
that this already IS a knot polynome but I can't even prove that it is
defined for all links, let alone that this relation is self-consistent.


Lately, I used Kauffman's abstract tensor approach to classify "all"
S matrix solutions (when you have a state model, the proof is in
the computing). I found also some S matrices included having a cubic
skein relation, some maybe yet unknown.


The above relation would generalize a) Kauffman AND Dubrovnik polynome,
b) the product Jones(x)Jones(y), c) the Kuperberg G2 spider and
d) of course all solutions I mentioned above.\*


Now sordidly I'm a complete amateur, and if yesterday a paper appeared
proving my hypothesis, I might not even recognize THAT it does, let
alone *find* it in the literature. 


So, this is my question: Do you know of additional knot polynomes with
cubic skein relations, possibly falling under d)? 
Or maybe even a compendium of all known polynomes? One even an amateur
can understand? (E.g. Reshitikhin/Turaev definitely goes over my head.)


If I even write a paper on my S matrix work, of course I'd like to
at least identify the solutions already known.


Hauke Reddmann


\*: $w=z^5,u-z^{14}+z^2-z^{-6},v=z^6-z^{-2}+z^{-14}$ is an example.
It also pops up in a possible generalization of the B2 spider as
I very recently found.



Cubic skein relations
First off I think there's at least one other knot polynomial satisfying these skein relations: the Reshetikhin-Turaev invariant coming from the 133-dimensional representation of E7. Unfortunately for you, I don't think anyone's ever given an elementary description of that knot polynomial. On the other hand, it would be nice (and, in my opinion, publishable) to see a purely elementary description of this RT invariant, so if you find a knot polynomial which you can prove exists by elemenatary means you should feel free to contact me and I'll let you know if it's E7.


I may have missed something (I only did a quick heuristic search), but I suspect that this E7 example is the only other RT invariant which satisfies this sort of skein relation (other than the ones that you already listed). [**Update**: there's also the spin representation of Spin(12).] I expect that there are no known knot polynomials satisfying this skein relation which don't come from RT... I'd have to do some more checking to be totally sure...


On the other hand, if I understand everything correctly, according to the introduction of [this fascinating (though somewhat mysterious) paper](https://projecteuclid.org/journals/asian-journal-of-mathematics/volume-8/issue-3/Polynomial-invariants-of-links-satisfying-cubic-skein-relations/ajm/1098301002.full) your cubic skein relation is *not* enough to define its value on all links. They claim that this result is proved [here](https://arxiv.org/pdf/math/0205040v2.pdf), but I'm a little confused as Dabkowski and Przytycki result seems to me to be slightly weaker. That is, it seems to me that they're only proving that *the most natural way you might prove that you can evaluate all links using this relation* doesn't work. However, I might be missing something here. At any rate, I would not be very optimistic about that skein relation being enough to reduce everything.


