MISC@1 on the Carmelites -LSB- -RSB- Saint PERSON@1 has traditionally been associated with the founding of the order , but few clear records of early MISC@2 history have survived and this is likely to be a later extrapolation by hagiographers .

Saint PERSON@1 has traditionally been associated with the founding of the order , but few clear records of early MISC@2 history have survived and this is likely to be a later invention .
