PERSON@1 NUMBER@1 PERSON@2 argued in NUMBER@2 that subcultures are social , with their own shared conventions , values and rituals , but they can also seem `` immersed '' or self-absorbed ; a feature that distinguishes them from countercultures .

As PERSON@2 notes , subcultures are social , with their own shared rules , values and rituals , but they can also seem self-involved -- another thing that makes them different from countercultures .
