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So, lately Aspergers seems to be a hot topic when referring to mass shooters. I was wondering what all of you have to say about it ?
This is interesting to me because i actually suffer from aspergers as well, so obviously it's kind of mind-boggling that they'd put people with aspergers in that box.
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This is a topic that interests me too because much like mental illness (James Holmes having schizophrenia, Dylan’s depression for example) the public at large doesn’t seem to want to lump shooters in with those people with these issues . They think it stigmatizes them even more.
However if it’s true that Adam Lanza had aspergers shouldn’t we use that as a component to study his motives?
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Look, i can definitely see how aspergers could have been the culprit. I can't deny some of the things aspergers can bring out of someone considering i know what it is like to have obsessions and off-putting interests. However, to say aspergers is the sole reason behind someone snapping is where i draw the line. It must be co-morbidity, aspergers minced with something else creating the perfect storm for insanity.
Adam Lanza is a piece of shit but because of the diagnoses we share , i find myself digging to figure out exactly what caused him to snap and go over the edge. It is a bit unnerving to know that i have the same issues as him. Not to mention my interest in true crime and shootings. From my experience, though, with people such as myself..most of us are very polite and just soft spoken. I don't see how my interests in these topics could carry over to me turning into a mass shooter. This is why i am so fucking confused as to why they targeted those with aspergers and gave us no insight into his personal life or any thing other than surface level mental diagnoses.
To me it seems pretty obvious that Lanza had schizophrenia on top of being severely autistic. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] would argue that he only had depression, but I still think a schizophrenia diagnosis is more accurate.
Yeah, i'd say it's pretty obvious too. I mean, didn't Adam himself mention his hallucinations on this very forum ? Maybe those don't necessarily count as "hallucinations" persay but seeing distorted faces is pretty off-putting. Who knows. I think we'll have more to go on soon, if March 1st goes how i hope. I just wanna see what he looked like closer to the date of the massacre. I cant seem to find any photos of him from recent years, at all.
Looking someone in their eyes can tell alot more than people think. If we got those photos of Adam with a gun to his head then i think that could tell a hell of a lot about his mental state. Not that it takes a fucking rocket scientist to say he was bat shit insane lol
Hey now! Mental illness has nothing to do with a man shooting twenty children to death at point blank range before committing suicide!
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Agreed! I fully believe in the saying "Eyes are the windows to the soul". In some you would only see darkness.
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Most certainly. This is why ive been itching to see a more updated picture of Adam close to his death. Would make alot of questions clear.
I was being sarcastic; Normal, happy, well adjusted people don't go out and murder other people en masse before committing suicide.
most people with it would as the world isn't exactly a welcoming place for people who are different. If he was denying it to himself then he obviously didn't want a tag placed on him, but if he was denying it to other people then that is probably because people see the disorder before they see you as a person, and would probably use it against him in an argument. Also many people with asperger's usually have other disorders too, it is never only one.
IIRC he denied it largely to himself. I think this might be because he viewed a schizophrenia diagnosis as more accurate.
I don't like telling people i have aspergers either. People instantly think the worst and nowadays it's even more so problematic to tell people considering people with autism keep shooting up places. I have aspergers that is comorbid with adhd and bipolar disorder. I cannot tell people that openly because everyone will start assuming lol. Wouldn't really be surprised if people in this forum assumed shit as well. I don't even speak about the subject in my life, unless it's someone like my girlfriend or a close friend. I'm fortunate enough to have been with my girlfriend for 4 years, something that most people with aspergers ever come close to accomplishing.
Also, as of recent events.. i can barely express my interest in true crime because of my diagnoses. People wanna say it's creepy and shit, which is very off-putting considering alot of people are interested in these things. But because i have aspergers, it makes me a "to-be mass shooter" which is preposterous to say the least.
Aspergers has gotten such a bad wrap. This bullshit stigma is the only thing that makes people with aspergers feel segregated and isolated.
I appreciate that. Shit gets hard to deal with. When you have aspergers you have intense interest in certain topics and the interest literally will not go away until you've absorbed every bit of information. It's frustrating to have to explain to people who already know of the stigma. I've never actually spoken to anyone with the same diagnoses as i have, although i have always wished i could to compare and contrast.
I never thought Adam has Aspergers, he seemed to have autism (yes I know aspergers is a form of autism but Adam's symptoms seemed too severe) He probably had other mental problems layered on top of autism; OCD, schizoid personality maybe even bi polar. Who knows, I'm not a doctor.
i had bad ocd a while back. kinda acted like adam. also a severe autistic wouldn't be able to make a plan like him
Asperger's makes it more difficult to relate to people in a non-literal way. Not that it contributes to homicidal or suicidal desires, but because it's harder to relate to people deeply it's easier to get lost on a path to violence when it's already a desire. Just a thought.
Under the right (or rather wrong) set of circumstances anyone is theoretically capable of mass murder. Humans are animals, just glorified ones wearing suits and ties, dresses ect. This fact however is not a comfortable one for many among us to acknowledge. I will say I can recall the quote from the joker in the batman movie back in 2008. "When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it." It is easy for someone to sit in their comfy chair in front of their nice computer in their McMansion and say they would never do such a thing, but from my experience most people I have met are very fickle in emotion and opinion and change whenever the wind blows with little loyalty to truth.
As far as asperger's syndrome being a factor, sure it can certainly contribute, but it is not THE defining sole trigger to create a mass murderer. Someone with asperger's syndrome can develop an obsession around mass murder, anger, and revenge ect and act on it with a very dedicated but lethal precision. I will also say that having Asperger's syndrome effectively makes you an outcast of society and a constant target of bullying and discrimination. So it would not be a shocker that if a person is more likely to be persecuted by society dis-proportionally with less of a fair shot at a decent employment opportunity then it would hardly surprise me to see less than savory results.
It is a hot topic for literally no other reason than the fact that aspergers/autism has a huge stigma especially related to bullying/mocking it. The funny thing is, name one school shooter besides Adam diagnosed with Aspergers. You want the official answer? It's a coincidence. He had Aspergers and was ALSO extremely fucked in the head and wanted to do what he did. That's why he did it and you don't see that kind of crime in the autistic population. That's it, done. But I know when someone does something like this, people will look at literally ANYTHING as the reason and not just a coincidence, hell theres people who genuinely think the reason Eric shot up Columbine is because he played Doom. Not everything is a causation.
It is a hot topic for literally no other reason than the fact that aspergers/autism has a huge stigma especially related to bullying/mocking it. The funny thing is, name one school shooter besides Adam diagnosed with Aspergers. You want the official answer? It's a coincidence. He had Aspergers and was ALSO extremely fucked in the head and wanted to do what he did. That's why he did it and you don't see that kind of crime in the autistic population. That's it, done. But I know when someone does something like this, people will look at literally ANYTHING as the reason and not just a coincidence, hell theres people who genuinely think the reason Eric shot up Columbine is because he played Doom, people who think. Not everything is a causation.
I hate to disagree or come off as argumentative.. but i myself have Aspergers and i can tell you that if you became obsessed with violence due to your condition, the ability to get rid of that obsession would be truly difficult. I sometimes have obsessions that i cannot control and i will skewer the internet until i can no longer find new info. I personally believe that Adams condition played a huge roll in his actions and had his parents gave him the proper love an AS child needs.. this would not have happened. One with Aspergers can get sucked into the dark side of life very very quickly .. if i dont force myself out of my house, i'll stay here for months. Adam Lanza needed unconditional love from his parents, not a weapon safe full of semi automatic weapons. If you have a child with AS, please take the right actions to make sure they are okay later in life. All it takes is one obsession to bring them into a darker head space and the tumblers line up for a massacre such as this.
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