 HP made an announcement they're open sourcing web OS. Everyone is dead. Any web OS users here? There's got to be one. There's got to be one. It's our staff. One person, we put them in the nosebleed seats. You just can't win, can you? So HP's open sourcing web OS, and they're going to still make tablets, they say. I think they lied to you. I talked to the CEO, Meg Whitman, and Mark Andreessen, who is on the board, and you think they both lied to me? Well, it's really interesting, because their first announcement, they put up an FAQ that said, we'll evaluate. Well, open sourced web OS, we think it's great. We'll evaluate it for future products, which is basically like, we think it's not very good. And we'll see if it gets better when random dudes in their basement make it better for us, because we failed to do that. I don't think that means that. I think it means. But they also said, we're going to build the tablets in 2013. Which is like, we're going to take a break. We sucked at this for too long. Meg said, maybe not this year, maybe next year. It's basically already 2013, when you think about it. It's tomorrow. Close your eyes, Meg. Wake up. You can try the touchpad again. Maybe she can meet the Grand Central guy, the time machine, or whatever. I think they hedged. I think they made the first announcement, we're going to open source it. They were giving up, and they got the give up vibe. And they said, well, we're not going to give up. When I talked to her, she kept mentioning how affordable it was going to be for them, which is not necessarily a good thing to hear when you're making a big decision. When somebody says, I got this for you, it was affordable. You don't think, this is going to be great. It'll be good enough, I guess. When they bought Palm, and they bought WebOS, all they talked about was, we have so much scale. We have so many resources. We're HP. We can do anything we want. We have all this cash. And it's in a box. Here you go, John Rubenstein. And they didn't do anything with it. Where was John Rubenstein today? Nowhere. It was Meg Whitman and Mark Andreessen who were basically not there when they bought Palm. And Mark Andreessen is famous for what? Netscape. It's the new face of WebOS. Yeah, the guy who did Netscape. And the lady who ran eBay. Mozilla. I mean, there's wind there. Are you using Firefox today? No. I would not touch Firefox. I am a Chrome user. Oh, another great Google product. Gruber, by the way. Another killer. I bet you're interested in browsers. Where is he? I don't know who I'm talking to. I'm scanning the audience. Gruber is just walking around up there. He's a presence that haunts us. Yeah, really. It's haunting. A haunting presence. But yeah, I don't know. This just feels like. This is the end of the line for you. This is really great for the homebrew guys. WebOS internals are going to be so psyched. They were already putting up screenshots of the Evo 3D, running hacked builds of WebOS. TC in our office, who still has a pre, was super excited because it was WebOS and real hardware. That's great. That's great for those guys. I mean, this is what? MeeGo. They killed MeeGo with WebOS, right? Given this, I mean, you're a lawyer. Given the open source of WebOS, does this mean that if Mattias Duarte wanted to, he could take cards? Yeah, he did. No, but like real cards and put it in Android. I don't know. They didn't say what license they're going to do it. It could be a totally restrictive license. Mark said to me, they want a completely open source WebOS. I don't know what that means. There's all these levels, right? It's pretty straightforward what he said. No, but that's like that term. It seemed to me like WebOS in its entirety in terms of as an OS. But actually, that's all they're doing. They said, we'll do WebOS right now. We'll do Enyo later. Enyo is like the big application framework. And then we'll do the rest of the user space later. So there's three steps they're saying. I don't know what that means. What he was saying is there's parts that need to be tweaked so they can be open source. Yeah, you need to finish them. Yeah. We left that, oh, the email client. Should have finished that. Look, I think that this is the end of the road for WebOS as a product. I think we'll see a bunch of maybe Chinese fans with it, like other companies that want to build it into things. Maybe Google can take some of it and roll up some of it. But I don't think they need to. They have Mattias. They have the brain behind WebOS, working for them. I think he has new and different ideas. And I think if you're a creative person, you have new and different ideas. Yeah, put the cards going up and down instead of the props. Side to side. Completely. So they'll donate it to RIM. They're like, look, you already took most of this. Just finish the playbook with WebOS. Oh, it's dark. It's dark. Very dark. My love affair with Palm is over. You know what? It died a long time ago, really. Wow, this has gotten really sad. It started beautiful. It really was like all relationships. There was hope that it would go on forever. And then they cheated on you with HP. They left me. They left me for HP. And then HP messed them up bad. And when I saw them again, it wasn't the Palm that I knew. No. Although I've kind of felt that it was like a lost cause. That's right. Good. Thanks again.
 HP made an announcement they're open sourcing web OS.
 Everyone is dead.
 Any web OS users here?
 There's got to be one.
 There's got to be one.
 It's our staff.
 One person, we put them in the nosebleed seats.
 You just can't win, can you?
 So HP's open sourcing web OS, and they're
 going to still make tablets, they say.
 I think they lied to you.
 I talked to the CEO, Meg Whitman, and Mark Andreessen,
 who is on the board, and you think they both lied to me?
 Well, it's really interesting, because their first
 announcement, they put up an FAQ that said, we'll evaluate.
 Well, open sourced web OS, we think it's great.
 We'll evaluate it for future products, which is basically
 like, we think it's not very good.
 And we'll see if it gets better when random dudes in
 their basement make it better for us, because we failed to
 do that.
 I don't think that means that.
 I think it means.
 But they also said, we're going to build the tablets in 2013.
 Which is like, we're going to take a break.
 We sucked at this for too long.
 Meg said, maybe not this year, maybe next year.
 It's basically already 2013, when you think about it.
 It's tomorrow.
 Close your eyes, Meg.
 Wake up.
 You can try the touchpad again.
 Maybe she can meet the Grand Central guy, the time machine,
 or whatever.
 I think they hedged.
 I think they made the first announcement, we're going to
 open source it.
 They were giving up, and they got the give up vibe.
 And they said, well, we're not going to give up.
 When I talked to her, she kept mentioning how affordable it
 was going to be for them, which is not necessarily a good
 thing to hear when you're making a big decision.
 When somebody says, I got this for you, it was affordable.
 You don't think, this is going to be great.
 It'll be good enough, I guess.
 When they bought Palm, and they bought WebOS, all they
 talked about was, we have so much scale.
 We have so many resources.
 We're HP.
 We can do anything we want.
 We have all this cash.
 And it's in a box.
 Here you go, John Rubenstein.
 And they didn't do anything with it.
 Where was John Rubenstein today?
 Nowhere.
 It was Meg Whitman and Mark Andreessen who were basically
 not there when they bought Palm.
 And Mark Andreessen is famous for what?
 Netscape.
 It's the new face of WebOS.
 Yeah, the guy who did Netscape.
 And the lady who ran eBay.
 Mozilla.
 I mean, there's wind there.
 Are you using Firefox today?
 No.
 I would not touch Firefox.
 I am a Chrome user.
 Oh, another great Google product.
 Gruber, by the way.
 Another killer.
 I bet you're interested in browsers.
 Where is he?
 I don't know who I'm talking to.
 I'm scanning the audience.
 Gruber is just walking around up there.
 He's a presence that haunts us.
 Yeah, really.
 It's haunting.
 A haunting presence.
 But yeah, I don't know.
 This just feels like.
 This is the end of the line for you.
 This is really great for the homebrew guys.
 WebOS internals are going to be so psyched.
 They were already putting up screenshots of the Evo 3D,
 running hacked builds of WebOS.
 TC in our office, who still has a pre,
 was super excited because it was WebOS and real hardware.
 That's great.
 That's great for those guys.
 I mean, this is what?
 MeeGo.
 They killed MeeGo with WebOS, right?
 Given this, I mean, you're a lawyer.
 Given the open source of WebOS, does this
 mean that if Mattias Duarte wanted to, he could take cards?
 Yeah, he did.
 No, but like real cards and put it in Android.
 I don't know.
 They didn't say what license they're going to do it.
 It could be a totally restrictive license.
 Mark said to me, they want a completely open source WebOS.
 I don't know what that means.
 There's all these levels, right?
 It's pretty straightforward what he said.
 No, but that's like that term.
 It seemed to me like WebOS in its entirety
 in terms of as an OS.
 But actually, that's all they're doing.
 They said, we'll do WebOS right now.
 We'll do Enyo later.
 Enyo is like the big application framework.
 And then we'll do the rest of the user space later.
 So there's three steps they're saying.
 I don't know what that means.
 What he was saying is there's parts
 that need to be tweaked so they can be open source.
 Yeah, you need to finish them.
 Yeah.
 We left that, oh, the email client.
 Should have finished that.
 Look, I think that this is the end of the road for WebOS
 as a product.
 I think we'll see a bunch of maybe Chinese fans with it,
 like other companies that want to build it into things.
 Maybe Google can take some of it and roll up some of it.
 But I don't think they need to.
 They have Mattias.
 They have the brain behind WebOS, working for them.
 I think he has new and different ideas.
 And I think if you're a creative person,
 you have new and different ideas.
 Yeah, put the cards going up and down instead of the props.
 Side to side.
 Completely.
 So they'll donate it to RIM.
 They're like, look, you already took most of this.
 Just finish the playbook with WebOS.
 Oh, it's dark.
 It's dark.
 Very dark.
 My love affair with Palm is over.
 You know what?
 It died a long time ago, really.
 Wow, this has gotten really sad.
 It started beautiful.
 It really was like all relationships.
 There was hope that it would go on forever.
 And then they cheated on you with HP.
 They left me.
 They left me for HP.
 And then HP messed them up bad.
 And when I saw them again, it wasn't the Palm that I knew.
 No.
 Although I've kind of felt that it was like a lost cause.
 That's right.
 Good.
 Thanks again.