 For a few years now, I've been saying this thing. If the most important part of a new phone for you is the camera, maybe instead of buying a new phone, you should think about buying a new camera. I've been thinking a lot about that advice since I started testing these two Sony products. This is the Sony Xperia 1 II smartphone and this is the Sony ZV-1 vlogging camera. And both of these are excellent devices if you're looking for a really specific thing. But if you're just looking for the best smartphone or the best pocketable camera, I don't think either one of these would be my first pick. But they are worth talking about because they come from a different world than we're used to and it's one that can teach us something. You know what it's like to live in Apple's iPhone world or Google's Pixel world or even Samsung's Galaxy world? Sure, but there's a Sony world too and living in it for a while has clarified how I think about cameras. So here's a question. What can we learn from Sony world? So I just have to tell you that this video has been super hard for me to make. This is probably my third attempt at doing something with one of these devices. And I think it's because my brain is just chock full of little details and observations and opinions. So instead what I decided to do is we're gonna have a full review of each of these devices up on theverge.com but it's way too much for a single video or even a couple. And so instead I wanna talk about Sony world or more specifically Sony camera world. See Sony is a monster in mirrorless cameras. They're really good at shooting 4K video and some of them are great all rounder. So I'm using a Sony A73 right now, before that I use an RX100. There's a whole ecosystem around them and Sony cameras also have quirks like impenetrable menus and unique color science, but generally they're really well regarded. And so the Sony Xperia 1 II is Sony's attempt to take a smartphone and put it inside that camera world. You might know that Sony already makes great camera sensors, your phone right now might even use one, but historically Sony's phone cameras have been kinda meh. So the Xperia 1 II's big idea is to make Sony's phones work a little bit more like Sony's cameras. Okay, so I actually should tell you a little bit more about each of these devices and I'm gonna do it really fast. Normally this would be like the whole review but I've got other things to talk about. So buckle up. Here we go. Sony Xperia 1 II is a sequel to the Sony Xperia 1, duh. It is Sony's attempt at making a super flagship 5G phone and it costs 1200 bucks in the US where it doesn't support 5G for bad reasons, whatever. Sony likes making these super tall 21 by nine aspect ratio screens and I actually kinda dig it, even though this phone is a little bit too big for me. I think the overall aesthetics are really clean and really nice. Sony also checks a lot of rare feature boxes. This is a 4K OLED screen. There's a fingerprint sensor on the power button. There's a real honest to God shutter button. There's a headphone jack. There's a micro SD card slot expansion. There's dual front facing speakers. It runs Android pretty well. It's a relatively clean install. Sony has cleaned some stuff up but the whole point of this phone is the camera system and there Sony is focusing, heh, on a familiar Sony camera interface but most of all a one over 1.7 inch 12 megapixel sensor which is pretty big for a phone. This thing can focus 60 times per second. It can shoot 20 full resolution images per second. It can focus on your eye or it can focus on your pet's eye. Ha. Yeah. Okay, now the Sony ZV-1 vlogging camera. It is basically an RX100 with the optics, zoom and ND filter of the Mark V but with the faster focusing, updated one inch sensor and video processing capabilities of the Mark VII. However, Sony finally made the right kind of flip out screen that you want for vlogging but they replaced the magnesium body with plastic. They got rid of the electronic viewfinder. They got rid of the focus ring and they got rid of the flash. In a replacement of those, you get a better three mic array microphone. You get a tally light which shows you it's recording and you get a hot shoe. Plus there's a couple of neat preset options. It has a background defocus button that automatically sets the aperture to its most open to blur your background. And it has a product focus button that turns off face priority so it can focus on the product you're showing to the camera and not just lock onto your face. Oh, and it's only 800 bucks, which is 400 bucks less than the RX100 Mark VII. Oh, and you get a free dead cat. That's what they call the thing that keeps the wind from hitting your microphone. It's called a dead cat. I don't know. Camera people get to have jokes too, okay? That might be the fastest I've done any spec run down of a gadget, much less two in a row, but I think we did it. And if you live in Android world, you maybe heard this Xperia description and you thought to yourself, yeah, that's interesting, tell me more about the camera, but I don't know if it's worth 1200 bucks. Probably not. And you're right. But maybe the second explanation of this camera was gibberish to you. But if you live in Sony camera world, you heard that explanation and you now know exactly what the ZV-1 is, what it can do and whether or not it'll work for your needs. You might know that, yeah, you need interchangeable lenses or maybe you just wanna have a B cam or do you just want something that's this powerful that can do this much that fits in your pocket? Or maybe it was all gibberish. I mean, that's totally fair. If I hadn't spent the last 10 years learning how Android phones work or the last three months on a goddamn crash course in Sony cameras so I could shoot video during the lockdown, it might've been gibberish to me too. The point here isn't necessarily all the individual details of the specs. What I wanna talk about in this video is what they mean for how you actually end up using these cameras. Okay, so I'm gonna do this, turn on the background defocus. Ooh, okay. How is the Sony ZV-1 as a vlogging camera? I actually think it's kind of stupendous. I admit that this is a part spin camera. It's basically an RX100 with a bunch of customizations made for vlogging, but I love the RX100. But there are some limitations here to know about. So the widest that this lens can get is the equivalent of 24 millimeters, which isn't quite wide enough to comfortably hold the camera to point at your face, unless you've got it way out on your arm like I do now, or use a selfie stick. My arm is actually already kind of tired right now. It also props in a little bit if you have image stabilization on. And so if you're gonna get this thing, you really gotta get a selfie stick in order to do proper vlogging with it. But other than that, in terms of simplicity and in terms of not having a ceiling for when you wanna learn to do more professional stuff, this thing is great. I mean, look, this thing is wildly capable as a camera. It has basically all of the same features and options as my A73 there, but it's in a $800 package that fits in my pocket. And I also love this product showcase feature, which basically turns on a bunch of settings that are already available on other Sony cameras, but it simplifies it to one button. So it turns off face priority, which means that if I put something in front of the camera, it'll focus on the closer thing to the camera instead of to my face, and then it'll focus on my face again, and then on this thing, and it does it really fast. Now, I do have to use this camera a little bit differently than I would use like an A73, or even how to use a phone to do vlogging. And I want you to hold that thought about using cameras differently, because it's super important. But right now, let's get back to this Xperia 1 II. See, the Xperia has this hot shit big sensor that can do eye autofocus and focus really fast and shoot fast birch photos. But the standard camera app is kinda meh. The pictures it takes are okay, but they feel a little bit lifeless. But that's part of Sony's game here. It knows that it can't hang with Google or Apple, or maybe even Samsung when it comes to image processing. So instead, it just kinda skips that for the most part and gives you the option to use it more like a traditional mirrorless camera with the Pro Camera app and the Cinema Pro Video app. The interface for the Pro Camera app even looks a lot like Sony's big camera interface, see? Now, let's look at some photos. Here's an example. You can see that there's motion blur in this night photo. So what I did is I set the ISO so that the shutter speed was slow enough so that I could get the motion blur while still capturing the rest of the scene just like I wanted, like you might on a DSLR or whatever. Your standard night modes on a Pixel or an iPhone, they just won't do that. And Sony even sort of tries to make it feel like a real camera where you've got a real shutter button here, and you can choose between the lenses by looking at their millimeter equivalents. Now look, I know you can probably get similar results using a manual camera app on one of those other phones, but the other thing that Sony does here is less post-processing, because it's trying to maximize capture speed. So again, you can shoot a 20 frames per second burst, and it wants to get that saved to your disk as quickly as possible, so you can just like, you know, get that action shot. So when I was trying to figure out what I wanted to say about these cameras, Viren, who's editing this video and shooting the B-roll, actually, say hi, Viren. Hi. Viren said something that struck me as both obvious and actually kind of profound. Here, just tell him, tell him, Viren. Your overall approach to photography changes depending on which camera you use. Which, duh. Different cameras can do different things, and so you adjust your shooting style to those cameras' capabilities. But also, whoa, you're gonna be making different art. The things you make are going to be different based on the tool, or you know, based on the instrument that you're using. I've actually got a whole video about that tool versus instrument thing. We'll link it down in the doobly-doos. So for example, this shot that I'm using right now with the A7 III to shoot this video, I think it looks fine, but I think it looks pretty bad when I try and replicate it with something like the ZV-1. However, can't hold the A7 III out like this for very long because it's heavy. And then on top of that, however, you know, I don't always have this camera or that camera with me, and so this camera's with me all the time, and so I can make something else. The music you make is different depending on what instrument you use. Duh, but the pictures you make depend on what kind of camera you're using, and it's not just a spectrum from good to bad. It's different kinds of pictures. So the thing about the Xperia 1 II is the kinds of pictures that it's good at are not the kinds of pictures that I want to take with the phone. I mostly shoot my phone in full auto mode, and the full auto mode pictures out of the Xperia 1 II are good, but they're not $1,200 good. And as much as I'm impressed at how this thing can take action photos, it's just not what I wanna do with the phone. Which brings us all the way back to the advice from the beginning of this video. If all you want out of a new phone is better photos, you should maybe think about spending your money on a standalone camera instead of getting a new phone. And after living in Sony's camera world for a while, I still think that's good advice, but a little bit differently now. What I think you should be doing is spending more of your time thinking about what kind of photos and videos you want to make first, and then see what kind of gadget will help you make them. Hey everybody, thank you so much for watching. I'm sorry I didn't get into all the details. Like for example, this screen doesn't work with polarized sunglasses, which is real dumb. And this screen, they say it's like 90 hertz equivalent refresh rate, but it's actually 60 and I do motion smoothing, which is weird, but fine. Anyway, we'll talk a little bit more about that stuff down in the comments, but I'm also of course gonna have full reviews again at theverge.com.
 For a few years now, I've been saying this thing.
 If the most important part of a new phone for you
 is the camera, maybe instead of buying a new phone,
 you should think about buying a new camera.
 I've been thinking a lot about that advice
 since I started testing these two Sony products.
 This is the Sony Xperia 1 II smartphone
 and this is the Sony ZV-1 vlogging camera.
 And both of these are excellent devices
 if you're looking for a really specific thing.
 But if you're just looking for the best smartphone
 or the best pocketable camera,
 I don't think either one of these would be my first pick.
 But they are worth talking about
 because they come from a different world than we're used to
 and it's one that can teach us something.
 You know what it's like to live in Apple's iPhone world
 or Google's Pixel world or even Samsung's Galaxy world?
 Sure, but there's a Sony world too
 and living in it for a while has clarified
 how I think about cameras.
 So here's a question.
 What can we learn from Sony world?
 So I just have to tell you that this video
 has been super hard for me to make.
 This is probably my third attempt
 at doing something with one of these devices.
 And I think it's because my brain is just chock full
 of little details and observations and opinions.
 So instead what I decided to do is we're gonna have
 a full review of each of these devices up on theverge.com
 but it's way too much for a single video or even a couple.
 And so instead I wanna talk about Sony world
 or more specifically Sony camera world.
 See Sony is a monster in mirrorless cameras.
 They're really good at shooting 4K video
 and some of them are great all rounder.
 So I'm using a Sony A73 right now,
 before that I use an RX100.
 There's a whole ecosystem around them
 and Sony cameras also have quirks like impenetrable menus
 and unique color science,
 but generally they're really well regarded.
 And so the Sony Xperia 1 II is Sony's attempt
 to take a smartphone and put it inside that camera world.
 You might know that Sony already makes great camera sensors,
 your phone right now might even use one,
 but historically Sony's phone cameras
 have been kinda meh.
 So the Xperia 1 II's big idea is to make Sony's phones
 work a little bit more like Sony's cameras.
 Okay, so I actually should tell you a little bit more
 about each of these devices
 and I'm gonna do it really fast.
 Normally this would be like the whole review
 but I've got other things to talk about.
 So buckle up.
 Here we go.
 Sony Xperia 1 II is a sequel to the Sony Xperia 1, duh.
 It is Sony's attempt at making a super flagship 5G phone
 and it costs 1200 bucks in the US
 where it doesn't support 5G for bad reasons, whatever.
 Sony likes making these super tall 21 by nine
 aspect ratio screens and I actually kinda dig it,
 even though this phone is a little bit too big for me.
 I think the overall aesthetics are really clean
 and really nice.
 Sony also checks a lot of rare feature boxes.
 This is a 4K OLED screen.
 There's a fingerprint sensor on the power button.
 There's a real honest to God shutter button.
 There's a headphone jack.
 There's a micro SD card slot expansion.
 There's dual front facing speakers.
 It runs Android pretty well.
 It's a relatively clean install.
 Sony has cleaned some stuff up
 but the whole point of this phone is the camera system
 and there Sony is focusing, heh,
 on a familiar Sony camera interface
 but most of all a one over 1.7 inch 12 megapixel sensor
 which is pretty big for a phone.
 This thing can focus 60 times per second.
 It can shoot 20 full resolution images per second.
 It can focus on your eye or it can focus on your pet's eye.
 Ha.
 Yeah.
 Okay, now the Sony ZV-1 vlogging camera.
 It is basically an RX100 with the optics, zoom
 and ND filter of the Mark V
 but with the faster focusing, updated one inch sensor
 and video processing capabilities of the Mark VII.
 However, Sony finally made the right kind of flip out screen
 that you want for vlogging
 but they replaced the magnesium body with plastic.
 They got rid of the electronic viewfinder.
 They got rid of the focus ring
 and they got rid of the flash.
 In a replacement of those,
 you get a better three mic array microphone.
 You get a tally light which shows you it's recording
 and you get a hot shoe.
 Plus there's a couple of neat preset options.
 It has a background defocus button
 that automatically sets the aperture to its most open
 to blur your background.
 And it has a product focus button
 that turns off face priority
 so it can focus on the product you're showing to the camera
 and not just lock onto your face.
 Oh, and it's only 800 bucks,
 which is 400 bucks less than the RX100 Mark VII.
 Oh, and you get a free dead cat.
 That's what they call the thing
 that keeps the wind from hitting your microphone.
 It's called a dead cat.
 I don't know.
 Camera people get to have jokes too, okay?
 That might be the fastest I've done
 any spec run down of a gadget,
 much less two in a row, but I think we did it.
 And if you live in Android world,
 you maybe heard this Xperia description
 and you thought to yourself,
 yeah, that's interesting, tell me more about the camera,
 but I don't know if it's worth 1200 bucks.
 Probably not.
 And you're right.
 But maybe the second explanation of this camera
 was gibberish to you.
 But if you live in Sony camera world,
 you heard that explanation
 and you now know exactly what the ZV-1 is,
 what it can do and whether or not it'll work for your needs.
 You might know that, yeah, you need interchangeable lenses
 or maybe you just wanna have a B cam
 or do you just want something that's this powerful
 that can do this much that fits in your pocket?
 Or maybe it was all gibberish.
 I mean, that's totally fair.
 If I hadn't spent the last 10 years
 learning how Android phones work
 or the last three months on a goddamn crash course
 in Sony cameras so I could shoot video during the lockdown,
 it might've been gibberish to me too.
 The point here isn't necessarily
 all the individual details of the specs.
 What I wanna talk about in this video
 is what they mean for how you actually end up
 using these cameras.
 Okay, so I'm gonna do this,
 turn on the background defocus.
 Ooh, okay.
 How is the Sony ZV-1 as a vlogging camera?
 I actually think it's kind of stupendous.
 I admit that this is a part spin camera.
 It's basically an RX100 with a bunch of customizations
 made for vlogging, but I love the RX100.
 But there are some limitations here to know about.
 So the widest that this lens can get
 is the equivalent of 24 millimeters,
 which isn't quite wide enough to comfortably hold the camera
 to point at your face,
 unless you've got it way out on your arm like I do now,
 or use a selfie stick.
 My arm is actually already kind of tired right now.
 It also props in a little bit
 if you have image stabilization on.
 And so if you're gonna get this thing,
 you really gotta get a selfie stick
 in order to do proper vlogging with it.
 But other than that, in terms of simplicity
 and in terms of not having a ceiling
 for when you wanna learn to do more professional stuff,
 this thing is great.
 I mean, look, this thing is wildly capable as a camera.
 It has basically all of the same features and options
 as my A73 there, but it's in a $800 package
 that fits in my pocket.
 And I also love this product showcase feature,
 which basically turns on a bunch of settings
 that are already available on other Sony cameras,
 but it simplifies it to one button.
 So it turns off face priority,
 which means that if I put something in front of the camera,
 it'll focus on the closer thing to the camera
 instead of to my face,
 and then it'll focus on my face again,
 and then on this thing, and it does it really fast.
 Now, I do have to use this camera a little bit differently
 than I would use like an A73,
 or even how to use a phone to do vlogging.
 And I want you to hold that thought
 about using cameras differently,
 because it's super important.
 But right now, let's get back to this Xperia 1 II.
 See, the Xperia has this hot shit big sensor
 that can do eye autofocus and focus really fast
 and shoot fast birch photos.
 But the standard camera app is kinda meh.
 The pictures it takes are okay,
 but they feel a little bit lifeless.
 But that's part of Sony's game here.
 It knows that it can't hang with Google or Apple,
 or maybe even Samsung when it comes to image processing.
 So instead, it just kinda skips that for the most part
 and gives you the option to use it more
 like a traditional mirrorless camera
 with the Pro Camera app and the Cinema Pro Video app.
 The interface for the Pro Camera app
 even looks a lot like Sony's big camera interface, see?
 Now, let's look at some photos.
 Here's an example.
 You can see that there's motion blur in this night photo.
 So what I did is I set the ISO
 so that the shutter speed was slow enough
 so that I could get the motion blur
 while still capturing the rest of the scene
 just like I wanted, like you might on a DSLR or whatever.
 Your standard night modes on a Pixel or an iPhone,
 they just won't do that.
 And Sony even sort of tries to make it feel
 like a real camera where you've got
 a real shutter button here,
 and you can choose between the lenses
 by looking at their millimeter equivalents.
 Now look, I know you can probably get similar results
 using a manual camera app on one of those other phones,
 but the other thing that Sony does here
 is less post-processing,
 because it's trying to maximize capture speed.
 So again, you can shoot a 20 frames per second burst,
 and it wants to get that saved to your disk
 as quickly as possible,
 so you can just like, you know, get that action shot.
 So when I was trying to figure out
 what I wanted to say about these cameras,
 Viren, who's editing this video and shooting the B-roll,
 actually, say hi, Viren.
 Hi.
 Viren said something that struck me as both obvious
 and actually kind of profound.
 Here, just tell him, tell him, Viren.
 Your overall approach to photography changes
 depending on which camera you use.
 Which, duh.
 Different cameras can do different things,
 and so you adjust your shooting style
 to those cameras' capabilities.
 But also, whoa, you're gonna be making different art.
 The things you make are going to be different
 based on the tool, or you know,
 based on the instrument that you're using.
 I've actually got a whole video
 about that tool versus instrument thing.
 We'll link it down in the doobly-doos.
 So for example, this shot that I'm using right now
 with the A7 III to shoot this video,
 I think it looks fine, but I think it looks pretty bad
 when I try and replicate it with something like the ZV-1.
 However, can't hold the A7 III out like this for very long
 because it's heavy.
 And then on top of that, however, you know,
 I don't always have this camera or that camera with me,
 and so this camera's with me all the time,
 and so I can make something else.
 The music you make is different
 depending on what instrument you use.
 Duh, but the pictures you make
 depend on what kind of camera you're using,
 and it's not just a spectrum from good to bad.
 It's different kinds of pictures.
 So the thing about the Xperia 1 II
 is the kinds of pictures that it's good at
 are not the kinds of pictures
 that I want to take with the phone.
 I mostly shoot my phone in full auto mode,
 and the full auto mode pictures out of the Xperia 1 II
 are good, but they're not $1,200 good.
 And as much as I'm impressed
 at how this thing can take action photos,
 it's just not what I wanna do with the phone.
 Which brings us all the way back
 to the advice from the beginning of this video.
 If all you want out of a new phone is better photos,
 you should maybe think about spending your money
 on a standalone camera instead of getting a new phone.
 And after living in Sony's camera world for a while,
 I still think that's good advice,
 but a little bit differently now.
 What I think you should be doing
 is spending more of your time
 thinking about what kind of photos and videos
 you want to make first,
 and then see what kind of gadget will help you make them.
 Hey everybody, thank you so much for watching.
 I'm sorry I didn't get into all the details.
 Like for example, this screen doesn't work
 with polarized sunglasses, which is real dumb.
 And this screen, they say it's like
 90 hertz equivalent refresh rate,
 but it's actually 60 and I do motion smoothing,
 which is weird, but fine.
 Anyway, we'll talk a little bit more about that stuff
 down in the comments, but I'm also of course
 gonna have full reviews again at theverge.com.