 uh... uh... well there's no show we are uh... we're trying something new it's exciting it is so twenty four weekend of ever fifth i am dear bone on dan seaford and i'm chris digler and here we are on uh... hangout and it's yeah we're chillin we are we heard your complaints uh... and your we we heard your love for that he can place as cc buffering for some people yeah we figured we would give you something else that to add to your complaint list but or live sure alive if we're not live whatever will be live eventually but uh... so yeah so we're trying to do thing and uh... it works well for us once before and hopefully it'll work well again and we are alive and so we're just gonna spend the next twenty minutes or so talk about the fact that we're using hangout instead i would like to say that uh... hangouts is making it much easier to interject interrupt whatever your train of thought was the year so so plus one for that and apparently i'm uh... fully in hd and no longer grainy and fuzzy which is amazing can i i can't before we start talking phones can i just make an important point uh... so kylee minogue has new elbow uh... and uh... as a sampling at a few minutes ago and i have to say it is not very good it's uh... it's called the abbey road sessions which first of all invoking the beatles when you're calling the note is probably not the best move but it is not i don't recommend we do you have you know spotify or arty or whatever i guess you know check it out i wouldn't buy it i would not spend a dime i think it does not get the chris segalers stamp approval apparently maybe concept album where it like it at the the album actually syncs up perfectly with the movie they can imagine watching fast and furious for listening to this kind of an adult with this you know i mean any abbey road covers are like any beatles covers at all of it i i don't know then i only made it to tracks and before i can take anymore uh... but i would like to suggest to you guys uh... you know plans not here so i guess we can get the full quorum but we should start every urge mobile show with an album review really yeah i just reviewed um... kylee minogue's abbey road sessions and next week it's it's one of your turns to uh... to review an album so so get ready at the fact that i'm trying out there uh... to tie with phones now i guess can i make a can make a visual joke it it's only a nine twenty well-gotten it's a really really making fun of me for uh... not being able to lift the limited twenty uh... i can't believe you still haven't sent that to me i asked you send that phone no no no no no no no no no no no no that is a lie i offer to send it to you and uh... you refused because you said you did not want the black version you only wanted the cyan version i would i would definitely prefer the time to corroborate either story that not chris uh... pooh pooh all over the black version because all you wanted to see was saying look i would definitely prefer the cyan version but getting trying the cyan version out of josh's hands is akin to uh... uh... lifting the entire world is it's not possible that i i don't have the strength or the mental power to do that so i think that uh... i mean maybe i can still get that black version from you and eventually theater yet no i can i can send it to you that's totally gonna happen yes i just negotiated a phone line on the air in exchange for nothing apparently at that i was feeling really down in the dumps after listening to that uh... highly minnowed crap but now i'm feeling much better about life you know you can see you can see it in your face and since your faces in such high deep high definition uh... on this uh... new google hangout uh... you know you really see a little brightened up your day getting that uh... that we mean i'm twenty is bright everything's brighter except the room that i'm in which is still there but now we can talk about uh... for real so what do you want to know i mean i i wrote uh... you know a bigger you in collaboration with josh and thomas and flat i think really a whole lot of people had input on this thing and uh... you know we get a score uh... it's uh... there's there's a lot i can say about it still uh... i think it's uh... i think it's the best with a phone device if i like it slightly better than the eight x despite how uh... heavy it is uh... and i do want to point out that just because it's heavy like that's that's not necessarily the worst thing ever i mean it's it's a big chunky phone uh... and it's like it feels really dense but i mean the thing i said about the overall designer is you kind of i don't know he's going to have an affinity for it you kind of start to feel like i don't know defensive of it in a certain way because you know that for no care because there's a legitimate reason to feel defensive about it now because it it's it's legitimately good hardware legitimately feels good in your hand uh... so you're feeling defensive about the design of the phone or the phone in general will both and i think that the the the uh... model i don't think that's the right word night it's like i've i've use a couple of inappropriate of course to uh... describe it but it's like you've got it back slightly embarrassing uncle uh... but you love and you know really well and like you can totally overlook the things that other people can't and so you might make fun of them every now and then yourself uh... but you don't really need a new you need a lovingly uh... but if anybody else makes fun of them you will beat them down and interesting it's kinda like what you tease your kid brother and then like you know someone else comes along in t's your kid brother and you you just you know are gonna stand up for that uh... the the the thing with the two nine twenty though is like i mean aside from the you know the weight issue that might be a problem for some users the hardware is is pretty fantastic right like it looks great and it it's the same design that we've seen on the uh... since the end nine and then the louis a hundred in the nine hundred and we've liked all of those designs so it's it's the same thing and it's got a much nicer display and i see i see me now uh... and then and you know much as to display and it's refined and and things like that so i mean there's i think little to complain about with the hardware itself yes so i mean the there's two reasons that it's a sensibly so thick one is the wireless charging into is the uh... the peer review camera which is not on springs and we have talked at length about it and um... so i need to address there's been a lot of uh... complaints about our use for and i want to address we gave the the camera and eight at the end of the day part of the reasons like it's incredible in low-light it's pretty amazing but it also doesn't matter to see on the screen or what you can i see is and not everybody takes photos in near darkness right you just most of time is taken photos and when you're just taking photos you can lead to know exactly what you're going to get exactly what it's going to do it takes i would say more effort then uh... i would like a camera phone so i just took a picture of this uh... yellow coffee cup and you know it it looks a little bit washed out relative to the actual color of you know coffee cup and you know it might be technically a little bit more true but it takes a little bit more effort to get it to feel like a great camp great photo and that that you know and i think that really other user on the web uh... and you're talking other people diverge and other people at the build conference which i went to last week with tom uh... you know that that opinion seems to be pretty universal that the camera has got some amazing technical things that it does but that doesn't necessarily make it an amazing camera for most people anyway it kind of feels like uh... like uh... you know high-end s l r where you know in in the wrong hands you could take some really terrible pictures with it but if you know what you're doing uh... you can do good things with it right now it's just gonna make the point that uh... we had discussed the camera quite a bit before publishing the review and uh... it seemed to be like if u are uh... really into photography and you want to keep your photos after the fact the the nine twenty produces a great base to start with but just to for most people uh... the photos that come out of it just straight out of the the camera on the phone and are being shared or whatever uh... are quite don't have that punch that you get from other smartphone cameras that really make them look impressive right away uh... well uh... what can i just say that that despite the fact that i don't intend to really use this phone uh... the price is such that it's difficult to justify not getting one i mean that that that they they twenty i mean both both on contract and off contract prices are extremely aggressive and and i suspect that nokia is selling because the off contract prices are aggressive i can only assume that no kids don't be state unity at or below cost uh... i mean four fifty for the nine twenty three fifty on the offer the eight twenty is out of control to put things in perspective that's only fifty dollars more then what he mobile charging for an on contract note to so-called you know well it's funny because if you look back to the nine hundred uh... is the same pricing scheme for the nine hundred i believe i think on contract it was a hundred bucks and then off contract is four fifty and at the time of the nine hundred came out uh... we could say that the nine hundred had kind of last year's specifications right had slower processor lower risk reading stuff like that but the nine twenties got a modern processor it's got a high risk free and it's still only four fifty off contract so i i mentioned this earlier today when the pricing actually came out i was like you know i i really wonder what nokia's margins are on this particular uh... with this pricing now what color would you guys get time i wanted site like as you guys know me he's signed and i was talking to tom warren earlier today that i'm a little disappointed that the sign and is matt knowing some really happy that i really do not like the glossy versions at all really look yeah i just i just think that they look kind of cheap uh... i much prefer the matter actually i think the science cool but i think the black fits of the aesthetic of the phone really well it's just like a and i don't know i had a black nine hundred and it was boring uh... and uh... you know it's like at the site is great and the site and it's like you know i really cool looking i really like that great that they showed off uh... at launch uh... which i haven't yet actually had chance to see in person so i'll reserve final judgment on that but that would really really sure anything he's not selling that one as far as i can tell they're selling black white red yellow and cyan yes on set i don't know why the greatest uh... omitted that might be your own leader something so yeah i'll probably end up getting the sign and but i'm gonna take a good hard look at uh... yellow and red as well uh... and you know that you know briefly put out that uh... uh... windows phone eight feels really close uh... the new kernel uh... you know they've got a whole new basis they're going to be able to get much better absent hopefully more quickly uh... and there's gonna be really talking a lot more about that uh... you know after the work that prompted all at this bill developers conference so estates in the verge for that you know i've got a few nails about a few complaints and still driven crazy by the lack of a notification center so the email doesn't write a lot to i'm okay with the email at the time to you know it's because it breaks the threads when i reply but i mean don't forget i mean i feel like as a gmail user and that you know we're all gmail users that were sort of holding it to a artificially high standard you know if you compare the email at the windows phone eight to the non gmail email app on say android or she compared to the email at the time i was you know it's been that it's it's way better than android it's maybe not quite is good for me as i was but it's really close and part of that might just be familiarity so i think you know is it's not great for gmail but i think that for you exchange users and people that part deep into the you know gmail way of thinking about email uh... it's totally possible there is one great thing about the uh... i i think i was just thinking about this this morning cuz i've kind of given in on i was and i'm just using the mail at now which is a really depressing thought you know me because i i thought the good fight for so many years and i've just finally turn of my hands that's great on that mail but so the one thing that would be really tough for me is the fact that windows phone doesn't support it took years but finally i was does the delete archive thing we can choose either one on a per email basis are you you press and hold on our time to bring up a menu can choose to lead stead uh... on windows phone you can't hack that on a per email basis by you know the default functionality is delete which you can configure through google's saying uh... and how how you want that they need to work and then you can override that to do an archive by moving the mail into your all mail folder with and the only thing that sucks about that is that it's three taps you know you actually don't have a better solution is stop deleting email and gmail why would you delete anything in june uh... although i don't know i get so many p r sent to my email box that i'm not i i i mean you are right i'm not going to allow that i'm not going to allow junk stick around uh... forever in my inbox well you know you get out of your inbox you are kind of it but it's still in my account i don't want it i want to permanently be gone you're a hoarder theater i'm gonna have to be on the television orders that's probably true i wonder what by a m by gmail archives up to much space i mean i love i love having my gmail account using all five gigs of virginia right now yes i love i love going back to like my personal gmail account and and i've got sixteen days of two thousand four as i've got sixteen sixteen days of of uh... email in my personal account that's insane sixteen that's right what's up uh... i'm using three point seven gig of my verge account so i'm definitely more efficient no at why i'm i'm harder with the delete button than you are but that way uh... so yeah i actually i do want to point out uh... one of the things we did uh... report already out of build at home into a session and so if you're Microsoft admitted that they were trying to get notification center some kind of centralize notification center into windows phone eight and they just ran out of time it blows my mind that Microsoft actually admitted that and like that was the reason that they gave it i mean this happens all the time uh... with software development you run out of time you're not able to add all the things that you want before your deadline that you need to ship but you don't say that publicly so it it it just is that you can't wait to get your job uh... it is just gone out there is that was a little weird uh... well we lost and and just quit though this is falling apart rapidly all right uh... uh... that's the plans hey this is our very first uh... hang out for the original will show were allowed a few flubs and allows us to take problems will get will get them back hopefully that's amazing windows will be a lot nicer with the case of the still have this feeling like you're a little bit not as like jacked and as i like to feel on a phone uh... because you there's not a single place you can go to see alerts unless you had all those live tiles to your home screen and remembering that you had a lot of tiles and you know if you miss a toast you know a little notification from the top of the boat was that i don't remember well my home screen somewhere i don't know that's exactly the thing i i i'm callous occasions while i was using the eight acts i would get uh... presumably attacks message but maybe something else and you know that they'll configure to make the same sound and then by the time i looked down the toast is gone i don't know where to go i don't know where to work uh... so it's a pretty big problem but i think yeah uh... well hopefully the fix it and actually hopefully they'll be able to fix it relatively quickly because around this new kernel uh... you know they they should be able to get stuff in there more quickly could write uh... so okay so i mean yes when i dropped you talked about the pricing which bonkers right i mean for fifty out contract for the nine twenties is out of control and hundred bucks on contract i mean uh... if you look at so it and a hundred dollars on contract that the nine twenties essentially going head to head about with the four s on a tnt uh... and that's you know i i i always think you know whenever nokia prices of fun really aggressively my instinct is that they bought it's a really great deal until i remember that there's a and i thought that that's a great point that becomes an entirely different ballgame and i'm not i'm definitely not saying that you that people should just universally get the four s instead of the nine twenty but you do need me to think long and hard about how important uh... ab selection and up-to-date apps argue in your phone selection process because i don't care what anyone says microsoft will will swear up and down just as they have since seven five that they don't have an app problem but they still do they still do i i can name uh... at the time i had at least five we talked about this last week i can about that i had at least five apps uh... that i like to use on a daily or at least weekly basis on my phone that are not available on windows phone right now and are significantly impacting my decision and whether to use a windows phone is my daily driver well i mean yet uh... i agree with all those points chris uh... but was just want to say with regards to pricing what's even more insane is how the eight x is priced on a tt because it's uh... one ninety nine for a d sixteen gig model and uh... that's like uh... kind of blowing my mind that it'd be priced at that point at that time i mean i think the both very very good phones uh... and if if like i said in the review if you're if you want to buy into the windows phone ecosystem uh... i don't think either one's going to do you wrong uh... i think i i slightly prefer the nine twenty but i think that's is great especially if you like ten phones uh... although i mean we'll have to see what it looks like in six months i mean uh... the the power of the still a huge hassle on the eight x yeah on the eight x yeah yeah yeah no they they'd acts is is uh... yeah i i i feel like it i feel like they could have made i feel like that the design team could have literally spent scott royal at a cc is probably never going to speak but but i feel like like his team literally could have spent another like week disney and tooling around with the design of this phone and they would have had like a a slam dunk uh... slash home run depending on which sports metaphor you prefer button instead it feels like they're it feels like the phone is eighty percent of the the way to where it needs to be uh... in all aspects of the hardware design and i mean that you know the soccer is an entirely different story uh... but just speaking about the hardware specifically it's it's you know that it's like the they started with the concept that is a very solid concept and a good concept particularly uh... for conveying what microsoft is the message that microsoft is trying to convey with windows phone in general which is the metro style u r and and you know they've talked about the fact that the hardware really mirrors that that's great uh... but that that the detail polls of that front of the eight x are just not all there and david and david piers our reviewer extraordinaire was just talking about this as well he is not in love with the eight x so finally i found my eight x only everyone else's is telling me that it's not fun but david and i are like this man he agrees with me is the other sort of windows phone related stuff that we should mention on this was since our last podcast right the wall street journal said that microsoft is testing a uh... microsoft bill surface phone with uh... asian suppliers already and we had heard they were considering making their windows phone but uh... our sources tell us uh... and this is a sam wrote that uh... it would be deployed as a a plan b so basically if the round of devices that are coming out now flop and everybody kind of as peace out microsoft then you know microsoft would have to go along and what's planned c that's what i think that is because it there is no guarantee at this point that and that the surface is going to be the smash it that microsoft well i mean at eyes are going to be a smash act the surface right now yet note that i was gonna say the surface i mean like it it feels like microsoft wants it to be a hit when you look at their their model for selling it it can't be by definition they're controlling the retail experience for a time and that device so they're kind of limiting how broadly uh... it can be can reach people in the first place with the phone that could be the case i hate people are complaining about hangouts look from from now i think you guys in my police that they don't like we say i think the next thing is we're going to just individually go to each of your homes and just talk to you face to face will fly out will just do it was there by the start of the week and uh... will just show up you know i can and after and give us a think think about all the miles of the chris you'll be uh... united uh... premier member whatever with no no problems at all or a guy who is going to be we use go to meeting no now i just want to say that we use go to meeting for like some internal stuff uh... and and we we all hated every single time we do we want to just you know not have such uh... and i have a meeting with reason go to meeting yeah every every single person the first team has at least one go to meeting horror story uh... yeah i i don't know this is a maybe this is a huge untapped market here uh... you know somebody's come up with the alternate uh... video live video book a product of podcasting solution and there's millions of dollars just wait to be made well and uh... circuitous uh... mega microsoft meeting lotus live we could totally okay i feel like we we've spent so much time having this nine twenty sort of be part of the discussion you know now we know the price we know it's coming out uh... we know that it makes a tiny little boys and you shake it because of the camera and springs you know we've got it here like is there anything else that's that we should say about it because i feel like it's been such a big deal i feel like we've been we were waiting holding our breath for so long waiting for two to get a release date and to get a price and to come out and then when it finally everything came down aside from the crazy price it's kind of like a actually can i just say who this this was announced was a it was yesterday right the price and release date yes election day at the like what what's like you because we can wait and wait and wait and then you do whatever you can to bury the news so that like regular humans won't see it classy move eighty-eight super classy spending i think that's that not is that what the whole and it's not being suggested that we all get uh... green screens and use the magic of ski gi to appear as though we're in the same room together yet like that well we have all these effects that we can apply but i'm i'm nervous trying to them right now will be a mess well if you if you go to if you apply any effects i think it's you're going to lose your your lord just just bt dubs the and you really want to know what they're going on we won't know who you are where you are well i don't have my city in my lower third anymore where are you here uh... all right so something else that like needs explanation happened today and this was eighteen t's plan they're gonna and landline phone service is that the plan chris you can you walk us through this without letting anybody freak out that he can't he is trying to murder farmers and whatever well actually murder farmers uh... no uh... so the long and short of this plan which they're calling uh... with the called victory i p plus it has some ridiculous name i can't remember uh... that velocity i p something other uh... project velocity i p that project velocity sounds like it sounds like the next installment of the fast and furious uh... but that's not that name or uh... for film what they want to do here is i d commission over the next few years the legacy telephone network which still traces its roots to the very sign the very same telephone network has been in use for the past hundred years uh... more or less they want to completely decommission that so they can go to an all i p infrastructure uh... in other words they want every single thing that's being transmitted over their network to be uh... a data packet which um... believe it or not is not how it works right now when you uh... at the and of the at the terminus of the connection in your home uh... if you're using a what they call a pots line plain old tall telephone service uh... it is usually the case that that voice is transmitted to some noted uh... as just voice and uh... and uh... they're they're trying to you know that there's maintenance involved in involved in in keeping this network alive and it really serves the only function that it serves in the year twenty twelve is to be to his debt is a fallback in times of emergency itself powered it's mother good attributes has been it's been designed to sort of stay up many a and point nine nine nine nine nine nine percent the time which it has been more or less done over the past hundred years uh... but it's time to go we did this with amps and last decade and look and look cells uh... service which is obviously a much smaller scale project and bringing down pots uh... which is the you know still remains the single most ubiquitous network that we have uh... but it is time to go they need to start diverting uh... money and investment into next generation networks and what really and so this this project lost the i p is laying out their game plan for doing this in combination with making an appeal to the f c c for changing basically seventy five years of regulations that prevent them from decommissioning legacy pots network uh... starting with the communications act in nineteen thirty four up through the most recent major rewrite of that policy just the uh... telecommunications act of nineteen ninety six uh... so what they need to do what the process that process that they've started today with an f c c filing is basically appealing to them hey this is what you want to do this is why we want to do it uh... but in order to do that we need your help bypassing certain parts of these really old lies meter opera you're making their parts of these laws although it's very very very easy to hate on a cnc i'll be the first to admit uh... this is a surprising me uh... broadly supported initiative uh... pop knowledge which is a public interest group based in washington dc that often speaks out against moves by a tnt and is a very consumer friendly i think tank uh... actually had some very warm words about this initiative and i think that so that the conclusion that we sort of reason our report that we put up on this today is that through a combination of fairly heavy handed fcc regulation and eighteen t's initiatives through this project there is a way to do this partly and there's a way to do it uh... that won't negatively impact uh... folks in the most rural areas who are normally the most ill-served but he's like a tnt because it's not profitable you're sending all this infrastructure to extremely low-density areas where you just can't make any money and so historically uh... those areas have been subsidized by something called the unit universal service fund used to be used and still is used to some degree to subsidize uh... and it's been updated over the past few months of the past year so to uh... to cover broadband and so that regulation which is the fcc going to help cover uh... parts of this transition eighteen t is saying right now that with all said and done ninety nine percent of their current wire line footprint will be updated with an all i p network that leaves the other one percent this nebulous gray area what that is going to happen to them the only thing he can see will stay on the record right now is that they're not going to any cut customers hanging whether they're not saying really what that means uh... it doesn't matter too much though because that's the c should theoretically have been covered through the national broadband plan and through what they call the connect america on all this other side of the their plans in place and project in place there's money that's already being diverted to cover these folks this is something that needs to happen uh... it's going to be a united the analogy that i used in the pieces that it's like reading a bit eight off you know we've been relying on this network this past network for so long now that it feels really weird to get rid of it and there are still you know tens of thousands of places that rely on it fax machines modems uh... you know uh... lots of different gateways and serves a you know burglar alarms that that don't work very well over an i p network like if you connect into like a bondage box or something sometimes they don't work and you know we need to get over that hump but we could be you know we can't continue to pump money to maintaining this patient decrepit copper based network this is making a sense i think this is a little bit this is the right step yet so in the larger context like it used to be a tt have an opley over all of the telecommunications network that part of the kind of contract they made america uh... in order to get a monopoly was that if they're going they have to provide universal service everybody has to they have to get everybody a phone line uh... if they're going to keep them up well monopoly is theoretically gone it's gone it's not a monopoly anymore anyway uh... so that sort of contract is now i guess null and void uh... but we still need to make sure those people recovered and this you know national problem and uh... iteration of universal service fund is in theory the uh... the solution for that uh... to cover that last one percent and so it seems like there's no reason to panic everybody's on the same page that that they're going to continue to get to the gold universal service they're just you know taking the step in that direction we don't have the full picture yet that affair way to because it is the i i think that if you look on paper if all you do is look at what he can't use proposing today and that you look at the laws that are on the books right now you say well wait a second waiting to use proposing is violating dozens of rules and that's true but the reason that's true is because these rules are each and they were written in a in a pot swirled so the next uh... year to two to three years is going to be about taking a a very close look at the talking telecommunications x nineteen ninety six and rewriting very large portions of it in a way that makes sense for broadband and that's not a good at happen that that's something by the way that has to happen regardless of whether eighteen t's project is ultimately approved and signed up at fcc that that is in desperate need of an update and uh... and chairman gennick husky has said before that that's you know that's on his task list that's on a studio with so uh... so things are going to happen over the season big big rules change here over the next few years uh... i guess the speaking of uh... eighteen t uh... talk about the wireless side they have an answer they're gonna have a goal of hitting was three hundred and three million custom dot customers l t by the end of twenty thirteen uh... it's yet but in the twenty fourteen uh... yeah prior projection was uh... two hundred and fifty by the end of twenty thirteen and they plan to add another fifty million by the end of twenty fourteen which is like you know virtually the entire population of the united states uh... so uh... in eighteen t's release they mentioned that other uh... acquired a whole bunch of uh... spectrum through various deals i think the mention over forty deals this year that they've acquired spectrum from and they've got uh... the rights to an access to about a hundred eighteen megahertz spectrum uh... in order to do this rollout but uh... the whole thing just is kind of like you know eighteen t pretty much said it couldn't do this when it was trying to buy t mobile uh... but you know now it is so uh... i mean uh... i guess you know there's the you know the the the talk to to try and and get there their interest pushed through uh... with regards to t mobile but uh... you know i'm i'm glad to see that and it at least going to happen even though it is he said that it would be a little uh... a year ago uh... the other thing that is uh... of note here is how far behind eighteen t is from verizon uh... for i think that you know over four hundred markets already covered with l t e uh... over uh... two hundred sixty million residents by the end of this year so uh... for items already a full year ahead of uh... eighteen t's l t e rollout and by the way it should be mentioned the l t e that three hundred million million number was was mentioned part and parcel uh... the project velocity i p it's it's all part of eighteen t is big picture of saying you know we're gonna we're gonna expand you first to cover a bunch more people uh... we're going to connect a million businesses to fight directly to fiber and by the way we're also going to expand all t e two three hundred million pops the idea being that between those three initiatives they're going to end up reaching and ninety nine percent of their wireline footprint with some form of broadband uh... data you know and and once once you have access broadband data you can you can obviously do whatever you need to with that you can turn that into uh... you know a a virtual landline uh... uh... phone alike you know the any number of web services bondage whatever in fact a t t mentions in its f c c filing that the point for customers that would be affected by the loss of one line service they have some product that they call it where they just you know it's it basically that excel t and gives you you know what the plan of our line from uh... what else what else on this week although he cc horizon have an event stemmed what november thirteenth and as you said yeah we're pretty much expecting it to be the droid DNA from a she sees five inch monster of phone which we've seen a few pictures leak from my e-v leaks uh... we've got you know we had a lot of the jay butterfly which is a Japanese version presumably the same phone uh... looks pretty much like a lock uh... yeah now it it's definitely going to be that i i still don't i'm not a believer in this in this phone as everybody here knows but i'm anxious i'm excited for a cc in bryson it for me wrong make me a believer is to see tell me why i should want a five inch ten eighty people yeah i'm just like i don't get like okay they're taking this giant phone but like they refused to put uh... one x on their network to go ahead and have a galaxy s three like horizon is being so aggressive about putting phones in different slots and making sure you know i think that the reserve each d and ht max and i got the galaxy s three another putting this way at the high end uh... nancy i don't know if that story makes sense so because they've got there they did for us to take note to you yeah it's got the note to so if if this makes a cc is like latest phones available on the rise in more quickly than that that makes me happy but in terms of like myself being inch interested in a phone this big megan i don't know if i don't know for i think so i think that for i think i i don't know this uh... personally but i i get that that the sense that for i think like the throats wait around with only ends more than any other american carrier including a t and t absolutely and uh... and what and and so what that means is that you have things like the droid brand which of course is done by for i think uh... and and it also means that price and i think has a very happy handed in designing virtually every phone that comes on this network the only two companies that it has perpetuated to on that uh... are of course samsung and apple a cc has nowhere near the weight that either those companies have so i think you know i think that that that price and it's a little too proud to just please that stock one x on its network even even samsung's uh... power is limited because with the like a determined to the note to uh... for the rises making samsung etch its logo into the home button uh... which is just like one of the most insane carrier customizations i've ever seen uh... so uh... yeah i think uh... you know what you're saying is that you know that is that's a that's a that's a bryson track stamp is what it is it's exactly what it is and it's it is really inappropriate and i'm i'm not surprised it sounded like a good idea at the time after a few drinks and after partying all night and then you know the next morning uh... exactly what happened yeah uh... dandy dandy and uh... and jaycation route getting drinks and the and you know they they they have one to many drinks and you know they woke up the next morning in some strange you know city and they're like what did we do last night and jaycation pulls his phone out of his pocket the bryson logo ash at the bottom is like oh my god what what did we do it but exactly well and then it's just like uh... i don't know but we the contract here that stipulates that it's staying away okay so so i i'm pretty excited to see this phone in person uh... i i really want to see what a a screen with you know uh... pixel density of four hundred and forty p p i or something insane uh... i can't say that i i really wanna and excited to use this phone as uh... uh... daily device just because it is so large uh... and i'm really nervous about the power button actually being usable uh... with all the complaints you've had with the eight x is power button and this is even bigger and it's still on the top of the phone uh... so now we did she turn it on with that with the phone that they did you know you don't reach out with your finger to hit it you just like they're on your forehead i think that i think you're in your phone at but that works that's what we've got to work on it uh... the problem is that you can't even do that with the eight x is power button even if i have a look at it at first of all eight first of all it would it would crack your skull because of the shape second of all it's flush with the edge well uh... we wanna for one out for a rise in the app store and right and blackberry because it's going away you know i i think the three people that use it are gonna be very uh... upset uh... the rest of us will be happy that the stupid app is no longer on our phone uh... and it can actually like disappear and for i think that she removed the absolute software features of that that's pretty cool but is is one of those apps that like you couldn't remove in andrew it uh... i can't remember if you could review remove it on a blackberry device but uh... uh... it's just like one of those stubborn carrier things that uh... you know i'm for i think that alone because he t t has its own store t mobile is is ridiculous and any of its printout as well as their own stores and it's just like you know uh... you're these curated app stores are are of no benefit to to the actual and user they're just there to solely serve the carriers needs so i'm more than happy to see it agreed i'm not gonna waste a perfectly good battle of uh... of king cobra pouring one out but i think that well uh... there you know what i'll say that i was i was gonna top total story but i'm not i will say that it was always could i think that these stores were confusing or are confusing to uh... some users and so it's good that they're gone uh... i mean it's confusing to users and like if you buy an apt to that store and say a like say you're an android user anybody out to for eyes and store uh... and then you want to use on your nexus seven tablet you can so it's like you know it's it's you're not doing anybody any any favors because these apps there is a source uh... i think the last thing before wrap up is we do have you with the we do we sure do not have that their review of nexus four the policy went up on the member second josh gulst review it do we do review that we got that thing there for me i don't know what's happening right now but it's really concerning the i don't know if i can continue to talk as with you guys and i found like that uh... so that before before i go completely off the rails on one of my trademark grants what if you guys not talk uh... sensibly and logically about this uh... so actually i do want to say something this fall has elicited a complete in total uh... existential crisis amongst i want to say like seventy percent the very staff uh... and okay and we we talked about this i want to say it last week when you know i put up the uh... editorial at the lack of l t and how it uh... it we'd be into some people like we're trying to apologize for google which was not at all wanted to do it is completely on google for uh... peacing out on the c l we talked about this last week uh... but you know this is a really good fallon everybody wants to buy and just like can't or won't because they feel like they need l t and like i would say in our little you know internal chat i would say it twenty five percent of the stuff that we talk about now is everyday a different person like okay guys public account phone okay go earlier the phone and christy you did a farmhouse like this is this is not my next about it yet and it was mainly in response intended to be a direct response to lands uh... this my next on the eight acts uh... because they have to go step by now next time but it can turn into a dual purpose eight acts and that's is for session uh... i just felt i mean a little looking at the time and again i get i i mentioned this in the comments on my my forum post i'd totally reserve the right to just by this phone on a win in a couple weeks and use it and maybe a little bit but from everything i've seen up to including our review uh... of this device it is just not it is it is the first nexus device that has been incremental enough uh... to not really tend to meet at all well i have no idea what i want to get you back up is is incremental when compared to the other flagship and red hardware that has come out in the past you know three four months but and the galaxy nexus now it's the company else's way better the screen way better the camera way better that over our processor the battle of the first ever had a really the overall feel the bill quality right like the glass back is like that that gives me pause but like there's not a single thing that is like only as a way better except so black melty there there was like this if if you compare it to the gsm galaxy nexus uh... from last year there was like three major complaints that people have with it one the camera to the screen and three the build quality and all three of those were addressed with the nexus four so i mean it's it's like the it's definitely an upgrade uh... you know and and it's frustrating that it doesn't have a lg and i think that's that's probably the more reason why you don't want to upgrade to it or don't want to purchase it chris uh... but uh... to say it's it's it's a it's a mediocre upgrade or incremental agree i think it's more of an upgrade to the galaxy nexus then the uh... four s was to the iphone four uh... no and i was about to say that that i think that the four to the forest is very good analogy if he has the same to me as the same feel uh... to it there you know if if it gets a warmed over gelt the way i described it was it's a galaxy nexus one point one in feel it has uh... no no no no i don't feel happy like physically feel that i don't have to say that now you're right you definitely have me in the field department look and and like i said i reserved the right but the completely deal one eighty on that so you're going to do it as well because he doesn't really are that four hundred fifty dollars was like you know uh... automatic by now territory for the looming nine twenty but you know but that's that's not a twenty but but but but but but but but but but but but but which by the way as l t e which gets me to the real core of my argument which is and and somebody i can't remember who somebody warned me not to rent about l t e and access for the show uh... but i'm throwing questions the wind here uh... the fact is that you know i i always hear people say well you know most people are melting in markets blah blah blah that is a complete load of the x okay we are now at uh... at last cover i think that the world for a hundred l t e markets can you name four hundred cities in the u s need a front of metro areas in the u s three can't so the fact is dot at right now uh... if you live in the united states odds are statistically speaking that you live in a bright simple t mark and over the course of the next uh... year to two i was going to come very good that you're in and he can see all team right as well and i thought they're already pretty good but they were they will be enormously in your favor uh... over the next uh... few months to year to two year-and-a-half so um... l t e is a very relevant thing it has a a market effect on uh... the data experience on the device and in markets with saturated ages ages p a which as you all know i a m n uh... l t e is not just nice to have it is a requirement uh... so uh... for me it is uh... a true deal breaker in the sense that i want to be able to access data on my phone and i cannot on the just p device so and maybe they'll they'll start to be common let's finish you as more people get on the gs three is my phone five is an eight-part back then you talk about this near post morning eighteen he's gonna start rolling out a small cells in dense areas for a just p a few one of twenty thirteen and theoretically that should help to alleviate it but a lot of the stuff but in the in the very short term this phone uh... is simply not an option for me so i i'm actually what's gonna happen is i'm just good breakdown by one uh... at some point and like i will use it a lot but when i really need to date data but i really need l t e i'll have to swap out something else and i'm really lucky that i get to be able to do that uh... but that's what's gonna happen because but i don't need all t e just for date on the phone or really be guilty for data on the phone because that he can teach us p a network is he can teach us p a network it's my second other solution i need you know i need to be able to tell there was that for this job yeah i i used other all the time as well uh... but you know that the thing is that i don't live in an area that has eighteen tl t coverage i do have a rise in all the you are live so you know it using the uh... next is for for me uh... will be akin to using my iphone five at least you know in my my home area as soon as i go into like you know that the city that and yeah it's it's a no contest but i don't know i'm still i still really kinda wall one that i mean we're all like a steep out we're all like uh... it is only three our box unlocked that eight or sixteen at three hundred eight uh... date yeah it's kind of three fifty sixteen yet i can't i can't just wanna buy this to have like uh... relatively inexpensive unlocked phone that i can use when i'm not in the u.s and i can have like you know it's a cutting edge unlocked phone i'm not dealing with you know uh... if i were to buy a different for three hundred dollars unlocked i'd be dealing with you know galaxy s one or something then i'll tell you what i will sell you and no casey seven five o'clock i don't know i don't think uh... i'd you have to like a decent five-point-five and i still would be would be wondering uh... if i should take that deal you know i don't think right now one x running science and not ten it's still around still not quite there but it's got way better in the past couple weeks and uh... pretty pleased what's the other is the rogers tax still usable on the eighteen t one x of her on my computer yeah i don't know what the state of that is my that my bootloaders unlocked and once i got that done i like peace on paying attention to that whole situation because i'm a jerk that's fair so what's missing on that wrong that's not uh... so that i really from well that's you know minor issues knowing that i was gotten way better and it's it's pretty stable there there's a week blocks which are things like apps opening up in the background of some kind of a really not seeing any real showstoppers right now uh... on the wrong from that six but like if they're moving on quickly that the house was you know the colonel needs work because each to see went with a crazy car but they were not actively yeah the when the weather's when is a tc going to make annexes phone again and you know when that's what came out it was like the best phone agency could make it ran stock and it's just like why can't you get we have developer phones from uh... motorola and he she see who else making a prediction phones is is so many of them and i can't say i'm so good samsung definitely is you know if you're looking at the lower your developer edition phone offer stock and read on and see what happens you know it's already developer phone is already you know not available subsidized carriers so you're not a cell phone see what happens man go crazy put on your developer website for developers their caution to the wind and just throw it up there i mean would if there were an android l t e phone that had a developer edition that offered uh... you know stock jelly bean experience tell me what by uh... i i i i would pay knowledge i think risked a like eight hundred fifty dollars to import and she is a galaxy so but i think that who didn't i mean like that but like i mean i think that this was the galaxy next is with such a m like a watershed moment for android there was so much at the demand among and read merits as such as ourselves for the galaxy nexus that i think that many of us were extremely desperate i'm getting on the first shipment devices my father celiac in our chances that has dropped like that xp a forms that there's a developers that uh... will show you how to root and unlocked them uh... one x the most recent it all i kinda want to get a one x on my hands now well there's one x plus them and stuff once a bigger battery but yeah i will come about the what what doesn't the one x plus half can you can you tell me and report went to uh... l t we don't know what it was about the uh... so like the the u k one does all known as the u k one i think that the uh... but keeping all right yet it is getting i'd totally space on it how about a uh... and how about uh... no get no cancer in a house and i think that's it you know i think you know i i don't know i got i got a i got a phone number thirty-five h p v here each peter man did i have a speaker uh... if you have an any criss i would actually like consider that i have a sign and meets are not ten feet away from me well i know you may not happen i will take that down to the grave gentleman i have a thing i need to be at in like fifteen minutes so i need to go so i'm gonna wrap this show up sorry to a shorter usual but that's okay because it's short and sweet doesn't mean we don't love you and we want you to watch next week just like you watch this week really appreciate everybody stopping by your false it's where you can we are at her giant back on chris is at the power and i think he's treating again which is crazy and and is that the cc for the i and will be back next week but i'm knows what they will be back just trust us esperanza
 uh...
 uh...
 well there's no show
 we are uh... we're trying something new it's exciting it is so twenty four
 weekend of ever fifth
 i am dear bone
 on dan seaford
 and i'm chris digler
 and here we are on uh... hangout
 and it's yeah we're chillin
 we are we heard your complaints uh... and your we we heard your love
 for that he can place as
 cc buffering for some people
 yeah we figured we would give you something else that to add to your
 complaint list
 but
 or live sure alive
 if we're not live whatever will be live eventually
 but
 uh...
 so yeah so we're trying to do thing and uh...
 it works well for us once before
 and hopefully it'll work well again and
 we are alive and so we're just gonna spend the next
 twenty minutes or so talk about the fact that we're using hangout instead
 i would like to say that uh... hangouts is making it much easier to interject
 interrupt whatever your train of thought was the year
 so so plus one for that
 and apparently i'm uh... fully in hd and no longer
 grainy and fuzzy which is amazing
 can i i can't before we start talking phones can i just make an important
 point
 uh... so kylee minogue has new elbow
 uh...
 and uh... as a sampling at a few minutes ago and i have to say it is not
 very good it's uh... it's called the abbey road sessions
 which first of all invoking the beatles when you're calling the note is probably
 not the best move
 but it is not i don't recommend
 we do you have you know spotify or
 arty or whatever i guess you know check it out
 i wouldn't buy it i would not spend a dime
 i think it does not get the chris segalers stamp approval apparently maybe
 concept album where it like it at the the album actually syncs up perfectly
 with the movie
 they can imagine watching fast and furious for listening to this kind of
 an adult
 with this you know i mean
 any abbey road covers are like any beatles covers at all of it i i don't
 know then i only made it to tracks and before i can take anymore
 uh... but i would like to suggest to you guys
 uh... you know plans not here so i guess we can get the full quorum but
 we should start every
 urge mobile show with an album
 review
 really
 yeah i just reviewed um... kylee minogue's abbey road sessions and
 next week it's it's one of your turns to uh... to review an album so so get ready
 at the fact that i'm trying out there
 uh... to tie with phones now
 i guess can i make a
 can make a visual joke
 it
 it's only a nine twenty
 well-gotten
 it's a really really making fun of me for uh... not being able to lift the
 limited twenty
 uh... i can't believe you still haven't sent that to me i asked you send that
 phone no no no no no no no no no no no no that is a lie
 i offer to send it to you
 and uh... you refused because you said you did not want the black version you
 only wanted the cyan version
 i would i would definitely prefer the time to corroborate either story
 that not chris uh... pooh pooh all over the black version
 because all you wanted to see was saying
 look i would definitely prefer the cyan version but getting
 trying the cyan version out of josh's
 hands is akin to uh...
 uh... lifting the entire world is it's not possible
 that i i don't have the strength
 or the mental
 power to do that so
 i think that uh... i mean
 maybe i can still get that black version from you and eventually theater
 yet no i can i can send it to you that's totally gonna happen
 yes i just negotiated
 a phone line on the air
 in exchange for nothing apparently at that
 i was feeling really down in the dumps after listening to that uh... highly
 minnowed crap but now i'm feeling much better about life
 you know you can see you can see it in your face and since your faces in such
 high deep high definition uh... on this uh... new google hangout
 uh... you know you really see a little brightened up your day getting that uh...
 that we mean i'm twenty is bright everything's brighter except the room
 that i'm in which is still there
 but now we can talk about uh... for real so what do you want to know i mean i i
 wrote uh... you know a bigger you in
 collaboration with josh and thomas and flat i think
 really a whole lot of people had input on this thing and
 uh... you know
 we get a score uh... it's uh...
 there's there's a lot i can say about it still
 uh... i think it's
 uh... i think it's the best with a phone device if i like it slightly better than
 the eight x despite
 how uh...
 heavy it is
 uh... and i do want to point out that just because it's heavy like that's
 that's not necessarily the worst thing ever i mean it's it's a big chunky phone
 uh... and it's like it feels really dense
 but i mean the thing i said about the overall designer is
 you kind of
 i don't know
 he's going to have an affinity for it
 you kind of start to feel like
 i don't know defensive of it in a certain way
 because you know that for no care because there's a legitimate reason to
 feel defensive about it
 now because it it's it's legitimately good hardware legitimately feels good in
 your hand
 uh... so you're feeling defensive about the design of the phone or the phone in
 general
 will both and i think that the the
 the uh...
 model i don't think that's the right word night
 it's like
 i've i've
 use a couple of inappropriate of course to uh... describe it
 but it's like you've got it back
 slightly embarrassing uncle
 uh... but you love and you know really well and like you can totally overlook
 the things that other people can't
 and so you might make fun of them every now and then yourself
 uh... but you don't really need a new you need a lovingly
 uh...
 but if anybody else makes fun of them you will
 beat them down
 and interesting
 it's kinda like what you tease your kid brother
 and then like you know someone else comes along in t's your kid brother and
 you you just you know
 are gonna stand up for that
 uh... the the the thing with the two nine twenty though is like
 i mean aside from the you know the weight issue that might be a problem for
 some users
 the hardware is is pretty fantastic right like it looks great and it it's
 the same design that we've seen on the
 uh... since the end nine and then the louis a hundred in the nine hundred and
 we've liked all of those designs
 so it's it's the same thing and it's got a much nicer display and
 i see i see me now
 uh... and then
 and you know much as to display and it's refined and and things like that so i
 mean there's i think little to complain about with the hardware itself
 yes so i mean the there's two reasons that it's a sensibly so thick one is the
 wireless charging into is the uh... the peer review camera which is not on
 springs and
 we have talked at length about it
 and um...
 so i need to address there's been a lot of uh... complaints about our use for
 and i want to address
 we gave the the camera and eight at the end of the day
 part of the reasons like it's incredible in low-light it's pretty amazing
 but it also doesn't matter to see on the screen or what you can i see is and not
 everybody takes
 photos in
 near darkness right you just most of time is taken photos and when you're
 just taking photos
 you can lead to know exactly what you're going to get exactly what it's going to
 do it takes
 i would say more effort
 then
 uh... i would like a camera phone so i just took a picture of this uh...
 yellow
 coffee cup
 and you know it
 it looks a little bit washed out relative to
 the actual color of
 you know coffee cup and you know it might be technically a little bit more
 true but
 it takes a little bit more effort to get it to feel like a
 great camp great photo
 and that that you know and i think that really other user on the web
 uh... and you're talking other people diverge and other people at the build
 conference which i went to last week with tom
 uh... you know that that opinion seems to be pretty universal that
 the camera has got some amazing technical things that it does
 but that doesn't necessarily make it an amazing camera for most people
 anyway it kind of feels like uh... like uh... you know high-end s l r where
 you know in in the wrong hands you could take some really terrible pictures with
 it but if you know what you're doing
 uh... you can do
 good things with it right now it's just gonna make the point that uh...
 we had discussed the camera quite a bit before publishing the review and uh...
 it seemed to be like
 if u are uh... really into photography and you want to keep your photos after
 the fact
 the the nine twenty produces a great base to start with
 but just to for most people uh... the photos that come out of it just straight
 out of the the camera on the phone and are being shared or whatever uh... are
 quite don't have that punch that you get from other smartphone cameras that
 really make them look impressive right away
 uh... well
 uh... what can i just say that that
 despite the fact that i don't intend to really use
 this phone
 uh... the price is such that it's difficult to justify not getting one
 i mean that that that they they twenty i mean both both on contract and off
 contract prices are extremely aggressive and and i suspect that nokia is selling
 because the off contract prices are aggressive
 i can only assume that no kids don't be state unity
 at or below cost
 uh... i mean four fifty for the nine twenty
 three fifty on the offer the eight twenty is out of control to put things
 in perspective
 that's only fifty dollars more
 then what he mobile charging for an on contract note to
 so-called
 you know
 well it's funny because if you look back to the nine hundred uh... is the same
 pricing scheme for the nine hundred i believe i think on contract it was a
 hundred bucks and then off contract is four fifty
 and at the time of the nine hundred came out
 uh... we could say that the nine hundred had kind of last year's
 specifications right had slower processor lower risk reading stuff like
 that
 but the nine twenties got a modern processor it's got a high risk free
 and it's still only four fifty off contract so
 i i mentioned this earlier today when the pricing actually came out i was like
 you know i i really wonder what nokia's margins are on this particular
 uh... with this pricing
 now what color would you guys get time
 i wanted site like as you guys know me he's signed and i was talking to tom
 warren earlier today
 that i'm a little disappointed that the sign and is matt knowing some really
 happy that i really do not like the glossy versions at all
 really look
 yeah i just i just think that they look
 kind of cheap
 uh... i much prefer the matter
 actually i think the science cool but i think
 the black
 fits of the aesthetic of the phone really well it's just like a
 and i don't know i had a black nine hundred and it was boring
 uh... and uh... you know it's like
 at the site is great and the site and it's like you know i really cool looking
 i really like that great that they showed off uh... at launch uh...
 which i haven't yet actually had
 chance to see in person so i'll reserve final judgment on that but that would
 really really sure anything he's not selling that one as far as i can tell
 they're selling black white red yellow and cyan
 yes on set
 i don't know why the greatest uh... omitted that might be
 your own leader something
 so yeah i'll probably end up getting the sign and but i'm gonna take a good hard
 look at uh... yellow and red as well
 uh... and you know that you know briefly put out that uh... uh...
 windows phone eight feels really close uh... the new kernel uh... you know
 they've got a whole new basis they're going to be able to get much better
 absent hopefully more quickly
 uh... and there's gonna be really talking a lot more about that uh...
 you know after the work that prompted all at this bill developers conference
 so estates in the verge for that
 you know i've got a few nails about a few complaints and still driven crazy by
 the lack of a notification center
 so the email doesn't write a lot to
 i'm okay with the email at the time to you know it's because it breaks the
 threads when i reply but
 i mean don't forget i mean
 i feel like
 as a gmail user and that you know we're all gmail users that were sort of
 holding it to a artificially high standard
 you know if you compare the email at the windows phone eight to the non gmail
 email app on say android
 or she compared to the email at the time i was
 you know it's been that it's it's way better than android it's maybe not quite
 is good for me as i was but it's really close and part of that might just be
 familiarity
 so i think you know
 is it's not great for gmail
 but i think that
 for you exchange users and people that part deep into the you know gmail way of
 thinking about email
 uh... it's totally possible
 there is one great thing about the uh... i i think i was just thinking about this
 this morning cuz i've kind of given in on i was and i'm just using
 the mail at now which is a really
 depressing thought you know me because i i thought the good fight for so many
 years and i've just finally
 turn of my hands that's great on that mail
 but so the one thing that would be really tough for me is the fact that
 windows phone
 doesn't support it took years but finally i was does the delete archive
 thing we can choose
 either one on a per email basis are you you press and hold on our time to bring
 up a menu can choose to lead stead
 uh... on windows phone
 you can't hack that on a per email basis by you know the default functionality is
 delete which you can configure through google's saying
 uh... and how how you want that they need to work and then you can override
 that to do an archive
 by moving the mail into your all mail folder
 with and the only thing that sucks about that is that it's three taps
 you know you actually don't have a better solution is stop deleting email
 and gmail
 why would you delete anything in june
 uh... although i don't know i get so many p r sent to my email box that i'm
 not i i i mean you are right
 i'm not going to allow that
 i'm not going to allow junk
 stick around
 uh... forever in my inbox
 well you know you get out of your inbox you are kind of it
 but it's still in my account i don't want it i want to
 permanently be gone
 you're a hoarder theater i'm gonna have to be on the television orders
 that's probably true i wonder what by a m
 by gmail archives up to
 much space i mean i love i love having my gmail account using all five gigs of
 virginia right now yes i love i love going back to like my personal gmail
 account and and i've got sixteen days of
 two thousand four as i've got sixteen sixteen days of of uh... email in my
 personal account that's insane
 sixteen that's right
 what's up
 uh... i'm using three point seven gig of my
 verge account so i'm definitely more efficient
 no at why i'm i'm harder with the delete button than you are
 but that way
 uh... so yeah
 i actually i do want to point out uh... one of the things we did uh...
 report already out of build at home into a session and so if you're
 Microsoft admitted that
 they were trying to get notification center some kind of centralize
 notification center into windows phone eight and they just
 ran out of time
 it blows my mind that Microsoft actually admitted that
 and like that was the reason that they gave it
 i mean this happens all the time
 uh... with software development you run out of time you're not able to add all
 the things that you want before your deadline that you need to ship
 but you don't say that publicly
 so it it it just
 is that you can't wait to get your job
 uh... it is just gone out there is
 that was a little weird uh...
 well we lost and and just quit
 though this is falling apart rapidly all right uh... uh... that's the plans
 hey this is our very first uh... hang out for the original will show
 were allowed a few flubs
 and allows us to take problems
 will get will get them back hopefully that's amazing
 windows will be a lot nicer with the case of the still have this feeling like
 you're a little bit
 not as like
 jacked and as i like to feel on a phone uh... because you there's not a single
 place you can go to see alerts unless you had all those live tiles to your
 home screen and remembering that you had a lot of tiles and
 you know if you miss a toast you know a little notification from the top of the
 boat was that i don't remember well my home screen somewhere i don't know
 that's exactly the thing i i i'm callous occasions while i was using the eight
 acts
 i would get
 uh... presumably attacks message but maybe
 something else
 and you know that they'll configure to make the same sound
 and then by the time i looked down the toast is gone
 i don't know where to go
 i don't know where to work
 uh... so it's a pretty big problem but i think
 yeah
 uh... well hopefully the fix it and actually hopefully they'll be able to
 fix it relatively quickly because around this new kernel
 uh... you know they they should be able to get stuff in there
 more quickly
 could write
 uh...
 so okay so i mean yes when i dropped you talked about the pricing which
 bonkers right
 i mean for fifty out contract for the nine twenties is out of control and
 hundred bucks on contract i mean
 uh... if you look at
 so it and a hundred dollars on contract that the nine twenties essentially going
 head to head about with the four s
 on a tnt
 uh... and that's
 you know i i i always think you know whenever nokia prices of fun really
 aggressively my instinct is that they bought it's a really great deal until i
 remember that there's a
 and i thought that that's a great point
 that becomes an entirely different ballgame
 and i'm not i'm definitely not saying that you that people should just
 universally get the four s instead of the nine twenty
 but you do need me to think long and hard about how important
 uh...
 ab selection and up-to-date apps argue
 in your phone selection process because
 i don't care what anyone says microsoft will will swear up and down just as they
 have since seven five that they don't have an app problem but they still do
 they still do
 i i can name
 uh...
 at the time i had at least five we talked about this last week i can about
 that i had at least five apps
 uh... that i like to use on a daily or at least weekly basis
 on my phone that are not available on windows phone right now
 and are significantly impacting my decision
 and whether to use a windows phone is my daily driver
 well i mean
 yet uh... i agree with all those points chris uh... but was just want to say
 with regards to pricing what's even more insane is how the eight x is priced on
 a tt
 because it's
 uh... one ninety nine
 for a d sixteen gig model
 and uh...
 that's like uh...
 kind of blowing my mind that it'd be priced at that point at that time
 i mean i think the both very very good phones uh... and if if like i said in
 the review if you're
 if you want to buy into the windows phone ecosystem uh... i don't think
 either one's going to do you wrong
 uh... i think i i slightly prefer the nine twenty but i think that's is great
 especially if you like ten phones
 uh... although
 i mean we'll have to see what it looks like
 in six months i mean uh... the the power of the still
 a huge hassle
 on the eight x
 yeah
 on the eight x yeah yeah yeah no they they'd acts is
 is uh... yeah
 i i i feel like it i feel like they could have made i feel like
 that the design team could have literally spent scott royal at a cc is
 probably never going to speak
 but
 but i feel like like
 his team literally could have spent another like week
 disney and tooling around with the design of this phone and they would have
 had
 like a a slam dunk
 uh... slash home run depending on which
 sports metaphor you prefer
 button instead it feels like they're it feels like the phone is eighty percent
 of the the way
 to where it needs to be
 uh...
 in all aspects of the hardware design and i mean that you know the soccer is an
 entirely different story
 uh... but just speaking about the hardware specifically it's it's you know
 that it's like the they started with the concept
 that is a very solid concept and a good concept particularly
 uh... for conveying
 what microsoft is the message that microsoft is trying to convey with
 windows phone in general which is
 the metro style
 u r and and you know they've talked about the fact that the hardware
 really mirrors that that's great
 uh... but that that the detail
 polls
 of that front of the eight x are just not
 all there
 and david and david piers
 our reviewer extraordinaire was just talking about this as well he
 is not in love with the eight x so finally i found my eight x only
 everyone else's is telling me that it's not fun
 but david and i are like this man
 he agrees with me
 is the other sort of windows phone related stuff that we should mention on
 this was since our last podcast right the wall street journal said that
 microsoft is testing a uh...
 microsoft bill surface phone with uh... asian suppliers
 already
 and we had heard they were considering making their windows phone
 but uh... our sources tell us uh...
 and this is a sam wrote that uh...
 it would be deployed as a a plan b so
 basically if the round of devices that are coming out now
 flop
 and everybody kind of as peace out microsoft then you know microsoft would
 have to go along
 and what's planned c
 that's what i think that is
 because it there is no guarantee at this point that and that the surface is going
 to be
 the smash it that microsoft
 well i mean
 at eyes are going to be a smash act the surface right now
 yet note that i was gonna say the surface i mean like it
 it feels like microsoft wants it to be a hit
 when you look at their their model for selling it it can't be
 by definition
 they're controlling the retail experience for a time and that device so they're
 kind of limiting
 how broadly uh... it can be can reach
 people in the first place with the phone
 that could be the case
 i hate people are complaining about hangouts
 look from from now i think you guys in my police that they don't like we say
 i think the next thing is
 we're going to just individually go to each of your homes
 and just talk to you
 face to face will fly out will just do it was there by the start of the week
 and uh... will just show up
 you know i can
 and after and
 give us a think think about all the miles of the chris
 you'll be uh... united uh... premier member whatever with no no problems at
 all
 or a guy who is going to be we use go to meeting no
 now i just want to say that we use go to meeting for like some internal stuff
 uh...
 and and we we all hated every single time we do we want to just
 you know not have such uh... and i have a meeting with reason
 go to meeting
 yeah every every single person the first team has at least one go to meeting
 horror story
 uh...
 yeah i i don't know this is a maybe this is a huge
 untapped
 market here uh... you know somebody's come up with the alternate
 uh... video live video book a product of
 podcasting solution and there's millions of dollars just wait to be made
 well and
 uh... circuitous
 uh... mega microsoft meeting
 lotus live
 we could totally okay
 i feel like we we've spent so much time
 having this nine twenty sort of
 be part of the discussion you know now we know the price we know it's coming
 out
 uh... we know that it makes
 a tiny little boys and you shake it because of the camera and springs
 you know we've got it here like is there anything else that's that
 we should say about it because i feel like
 it's been such a big deal
 i feel like we've been we were waiting holding our breath for so long waiting
 for two
 to get a release date and to get a price and to come out and then
 when it finally everything came down
 aside from the crazy price
 it's kind of like a actually can i just say who this this was announced was a
 it was yesterday right
 the price and release date yes
 election day
 at the
 like
 what what's like you because we can wait and wait and wait and then you do
 whatever you can to bury the news so that like regular humans won't see it
 classy move
 eighty-eight super classy
 spending i think that's that not
 is that what the whole and it's not being suggested that we all get
 uh... green screens
 and use the magic of ski gi to appear as though we're in the same room together
 yet like that
 well we have all these effects that we can apply but i'm i'm nervous trying to
 them right now
 will be a mess well if you if you go to if you apply any effects i think it's
 you're going to lose your your lord just
 just bt dubs
 the
 and you really want to know what they're going on
 we won't know who you are where you are
 well i don't have my city in my lower third anymore
 where are you here
 uh...
 all right so
 something else that like needs explanation happened today and this was
 eighteen t's
 plan they're gonna
 and landline phone service is that the plan chris you can you walk us through
 this without letting anybody freak out that he can't he is trying to murder
 farmers and whatever
 well actually murder farmers uh... no uh...
 so
 the long and short of this plan which they're calling uh... with the called
 victory i p plus it has some ridiculous name
 i can't remember
 uh... that velocity i p something other
 uh... project velocity i p that project velocity sounds like it sounds like
 the next installment of the fast and furious
 uh...
 but that's not
 that name
 or uh... for film
 what they want to do here
 is
 i d commission over the next few years the legacy telephone network which
 still traces its roots to the very sign the very same telephone network
 has been in use for the past hundred years
 uh... more or less they want to completely decommission that so they can
 go to an all i p infrastructure
 uh... in other words they want every single thing that's being
 transmitted over their network to be
 uh... a data packet
 which um...
 believe it or not is not how it works right now when you
 uh... at the and of the at the terminus of the connection in your home
 uh... if you're using a what they call a pots line plain old tall telephone
 service
 uh... it is usually the case
 that that voice is transmitted to some
 noted
 uh... as just voice
 and uh... and uh... they're they're trying to you know that there's
 maintenance involved in involved in in keeping this network alive
 and it really serves
 the only function that it serves in the year twenty twelve
 is to be to his debt is a fallback
 in times of emergency itself powered
 it's mother good attributes has been it's been designed to sort of stay up
 many a
 and point nine nine nine nine nine nine percent the time
 which it has been more or less done over the past
 hundred years uh...
 but it's time to go we did this with amps
 and last decade and look and look cells uh... service which is obviously a much
 smaller scale project and bringing down pots
 uh... which is the you know still remains the single most ubiquitous
 network that we have
 uh... but it is time to go they need to start diverting
 uh... money and investment into next generation networks and what really and
 so this this project lost the i p is laying out their game plan
 for doing this in combination with making an appeal to the f c c for
 changing
 basically seventy five years of regulations that prevent them from
 decommissioning legacy pots network
 uh... starting with the communications act in nineteen thirty four up through
 the most recent major rewrite of that policy just the uh... telecommunications
 act
 of nineteen ninety six uh...
 so what
 they need to do what the process that process that they've started today with
 an f c c filing is basically appealing to them hey
 this is what you want to do this is why we want to do it
 uh... but in order to do that we need your help bypassing certain parts of
 these really old lies
 meter opera you're making their parts of these laws
 although it's very very very easy to hate
 on a cnc i'll be the first to admit
 uh...
 this is a surprising me
 uh... broadly supported initiative
 uh... pop knowledge which is a public interest group based in washington dc
 that often speaks out against moves by a tnt
 and is a very consumer friendly
 i think tank
 uh... actually had some very warm words
 about this initiative
 and i think that so that the conclusion that we sort of reason our report that
 we put up on this today is that
 through a combination of
 fairly heavy handed fcc regulation and eighteen t's initiatives
 through this project there is a way to do this partly
 and there's a way to do it uh...
 that won't negatively impact
 uh... folks in the most rural areas who are normally
 the most ill-served but he's like a tnt because it's not profitable
 you're sending all this infrastructure to extremely
 low-density areas where you just can't make any money
 and so historically
 uh... those areas have been subsidized by something called the unit universal
 service fund
 used to be
 used and still is used to some degree to subsidize uh...
 and it's been updated over the past few months of the past year so
 to uh... to cover broadband
 and so that regulation
 which is the fcc going to help cover
 uh... parts of this transition eighteen t is saying right now
 that with all said and done
 ninety nine percent of their current wire line footprint
 will be updated with an all i p
 network
 that leaves the other one percent this nebulous
 gray area what that is going to happen to them
 the only thing he can see will stay on the record right now is that they're not
 going to any cut customers hanging
 whether they're not saying really what that means
 uh... it doesn't matter too much though because that's the c
 should theoretically have been covered
 through the national broadband plan and through
 what they call the connect america on all this other side of the their plans
 in place and project in place there's money
 that's already being diverted to cover these folks
 this is something that needs to happen uh... it's going to be a united
 the analogy that i used in the pieces that it's like
 reading a bit eight off you know we've been relying on this network this past
 network for so long now that it feels really weird
 to get rid of it and there are
 still you know tens of thousands of places
 that rely on it fax machines modems
 uh... you know
 uh... lots of different
 gateways and serves a you know burglar alarms that that
 don't work very well over an i p network like if you connect into like a bondage
 box or something sometimes they don't work
 and you know we need to get over that hump but we could be
 you know we can't continue to pump money to maintaining this patient decrepit
 copper based network
 this is making a sense i think this is a little bit this is the right step
 yet so in the larger context like it used to be a tt have an opley over all of the
 telecommunications network that
 part of the kind of contract they made
 america
 uh... in order to get a monopoly
 was that if they're going they have to provide universal service everybody has
 to they have to get everybody a phone line
 uh... if they're going to keep them up well monopoly is
 theoretically gone
 it's gone
 it's not a monopoly anymore anyway
 uh... so that sort of contract is now i guess null and void
 uh... but
 we still need to make sure those people recovered and
 this you know national problem and uh... iteration of universal service fund
 is in theory
 the uh... the solution for that uh... to cover that last one percent and so it
 seems like
 there's no reason to panic everybody's on the same page that that they're going
 to continue to
 get to the gold universal service
 they're just you know
 taking the step in that direction we don't have the full picture yet
 that affair way to
 because
 it is the i i think that if you look on paper if all you do is look at what he
 can't use proposing today
 and that you look at the laws that are on the books
 right now you say well wait a second waiting to use proposing is violating
 dozens of rules
 and that's true but the reason that's true is because these rules are each and
 they were written in a in a pot swirled so the next uh... year to two to three
 years is going to be about taking a a very close look at the talking
 telecommunications x nineteen ninety six and rewriting very large portions of it
 in a way that makes sense for broadband
 and that's not a good at happen
 that that's something by the way that has to happen regardless of whether
 eighteen t's project is ultimately approved and signed up at fcc
 that that
 is in desperate need of an update
 and uh... and chairman gennick husky has said before that that's
 you know that's on his task list that's on a studio with so
 uh... so things are going to happen
 over the season big big rules
 change here over the next few years
 uh... i guess the speaking of uh... eighteen t uh... talk about the wireless
 side they have an answer they're gonna have a goal of hitting was three hundred
 and
 three million custom dot customers l t by the end of twenty thirteen
 uh... it's yet but in the twenty fourteen uh... yeah prior projection
 was uh... two hundred and fifty by the end of twenty thirteen
 and they plan to add another fifty million by the end of twenty fourteen
 which is like you know
 virtually
 the entire population of the united states uh...
 so
 uh... in eighteen t's release they mentioned that other uh...
 acquired a whole bunch of uh... spectrum through various deals i think the
 mention over forty deals
 this year that they've acquired spectrum from and they've got uh... the rights to
 an access to about a hundred eighteen megahertz spectrum
 uh... in order to do this rollout
 but uh...
 the whole thing just is kind of like you know eighteen t pretty much said it
 couldn't do this when it was trying to buy t mobile
 uh... but
 you know now it is so
 uh... i mean
 uh... i guess you know there's the you know the the the talk to to try and and
 get there
 their interest pushed through uh... with
 regards to t mobile but uh... you know i'm i'm glad to see that
 and it
 at least going to happen even though it is he said that it would be a little
 uh... a year ago
 uh... the other thing that is uh... of
 note here is how far behind eighteen t is from verizon uh... for i think that
 you know over four hundred markets already covered with l t e uh... over
 uh... two hundred sixty million residents by the end of this year
 so uh... for items already a full year ahead of uh... eighteen t's l t e
 rollout
 and by the way it should be mentioned
 the l t e that three hundred million million number was was mentioned part and
 parcel
 uh... the project
 velocity i p it's it's all
 part of eighteen t is big picture of saying you know
 we're gonna we're gonna expand you first to cover a bunch more people
 uh... we're going to connect a million businesses to fight directly to fiber
 and by the way we're also going to expand all t e two three hundred million
 pops
 the idea being that between those three initiatives
 they're going to end up reaching
 and ninety nine percent of their wireline footprint with some form
 of broadband
 uh... data
 you know and and once once you have access broadband data you can you can
 obviously do whatever you need to with that you can turn that into
 uh... you know a
 a virtual landline
 uh... uh... phone alike you know the any number of web services bondage
 whatever in fact a t t mentions in its f c c filing that the point
 for customers that would be affected by the loss of one line service
 they have some product that they call it
 where they just you know it's it basically that excel t and gives you
 you know what the plan of our line from
 uh... what else what else on this week although he cc horizon have an event
 stemmed what
 november thirteenth
 and as you said yeah we're pretty much expecting it to be
 the droid DNA
 from a she sees five inch
 monster of phone which we've seen a few pictures leak from my e-v leaks
 uh... we've got you know we had a lot of the jay butterfly which is a
 Japanese version presumably the same phone
 uh... looks pretty much like a lock
 uh... yeah now it it's definitely going to be that i i still don't
 i'm not a believer in this in this phone as everybody here knows
 but i'm anxious
 i'm excited for a cc in bryson it for me wrong
 make me a believer is to see tell me why i should want a five inch ten eighty
 people
 yeah i'm just like
 i don't get like okay they're taking this giant phone
 but like they refused to put uh... one x on their network
 to go ahead and have a galaxy s three like horizon is being so aggressive
 about
 putting phones in different slots
 and making sure
 you know i think that the reserve each d and ht max and i got the galaxy s three
 another putting this way at the high end
 uh... nancy i don't know if that story makes sense so because they've got
 there they did for us to take note to you
 yeah it's got the note to so
 if if this makes a cc is like latest phones available on the rise in more
 quickly than that that makes me happy but in terms of like
 myself being inch interested in a phone this big
 megan i don't know if i don't know for i think
 so i think that for i think i i don't know this
 uh... personally but i i get that that the sense that for i think like the
 throats wait around with only ends more than any other american carrier
 including a t and t
 absolutely and uh...
 and what and and so what that means is that you have things like the droid
 brand which of course is done by for i think
 uh... and and it also means that price and i think has a very happy handed in
 designing virtually every phone that comes on this network
 the only two companies that it has perpetuated to on that
 uh... are of course samsung and apple
 a cc has nowhere near
 the weight that either those companies have so i think you know i think that
 that that price and it's a little too proud to just please that stock one x
 on its network
 even even samsung's uh... power is limited because with the like a
 determined to the note to
 uh... for the
 rises making samsung etch its logo into the home button
 uh... which is just like one of the most insane carrier customizations i've ever
 seen
 uh... so
 uh... yeah i think uh... you know what you're saying is that you know that is
 that's a that's a that's a bryson track stamp is what it is
 it's exactly what it is and it's it is really inappropriate and i'm i'm not
 surprised it sounded like a good idea at the time after a few drinks and after
 partying all night and then
 you know the next morning
 uh...
 exactly what happened
 yeah uh... dandy
 dandy and uh...
 and jaycation
 route getting drinks and the and you know they they they have one to many
 drinks and you know they woke up the next morning
 in some strange
 you know city and they're like what did we do last night and jaycation pulls his
 phone out of his pocket
 the bryson logo ash at the bottom is like oh my god what what did we do it
 but
 exactly
 well and then it's just like uh... i don't know but we the contract here that
 stipulates that it's staying away
 okay
 so so i i'm pretty excited to see this phone in person uh... i i really want to
 see what a a screen with you know uh...
 pixel density of four hundred and forty p p i or something insane
 uh... i can't say that i i really wanna and excited to use this phone as uh...
 uh... daily device just because it is so large
 uh... and i'm really nervous about the power button actually being usable
 uh... with all the complaints you've had with the eight x is power button and
 this is even bigger
 and it's still on the top of the phone
 uh... so
 now we did she turn it on with that with the phone that they did you know you
 don't reach out with your finger to hit it you just like
 they're on your forehead
 i think that i think you're in your phone at
 but that works
 that's what we've got to work on it
 uh... the problem is that you can't even do that with the eight x is power
 button even if i have a look at it
 at first of all eight first of all it would it would crack your skull because
 of the shape
 second of all it's flush with the edge
 well uh...
 we wanna for one out for a rise in the app store and right and blackberry
 because it's
 going away
 you know i i think the three people that use it are gonna be very uh... upset
 uh... the rest of us will be happy that the stupid app is no longer on our phone
 uh... and it can actually like disappear
 and for i think that she removed the absolute software features of that
 that's pretty cool but is
 is one of those apps that like you couldn't
 remove in andrew it
 uh... i can't remember if you could review remove it on a blackberry device
 but uh...
 uh... it's just like one of those stubborn carrier things that
 uh... you know i'm for i think that alone because he t t has its own store
 t mobile is is ridiculous and any of its printout as well as their own stores and
 it's just like
 you know uh...
 you're these curated app stores are are of no benefit to to the actual and user
 they're just there to solely serve the carriers needs so i'm
 more than happy to see it
 agreed
 i'm not gonna waste a perfectly good battle of uh... of king cobra pouring
 one out
 but i think that
 well uh...
 there you know what i'll say that i was i was gonna
 top total story but i'm not i will say that it was always could i think that
 these stores were confusing or are confusing to
 uh... some users and so it's good that they're gone
 uh... i mean it's confusing to users and like if you buy an apt to that store
 and say a like say you're an android user anybody out to for eyes and store
 uh... and then you want to use on your nexus seven tablet you can
 so it's like you know it's it's you're not doing anybody any any favors
 because these apps
 there is a source
 uh... i think the last thing before wrap up is we do have you with the
 we do we sure do not have that their review of nexus four
 the policy went up on the member second
 josh gulst review it
 do we do review that
 we got that thing there for me
 i don't know what's happening right now but it's really concerning the i don't
 know if i can continue to talk as with you guys and i found
 like that
 uh...
 so that before before i go completely off the rails on one of my trademark
 grants what if you guys not talk uh... sensibly and logically about this
 uh... so actually i do want to say something this fall
 has elicited
 a complete in total
 uh... existential crisis amongst
 i want to say like seventy percent
 the very staff
 uh...
 and okay and we we talked about this i want to say it last week when you know
 i put up the uh...
 editorial at the lack of l t
 and how it uh... it we'd be
 into some people like we're trying to apologize for google which was not at
 all wanted to do it is completely on google for
 uh... peacing out on the c l we talked about this last week
 uh... but
 you know this is a really good fallon
 everybody wants to buy and just like
 can't or won't because they feel like they need l t and like i would say
 in our little you know internal chat
 i would say it
 twenty five percent of the stuff that we talk about now is everyday a different
 person like okay guys public account phone okay go earlier the phone
 and christy you did a farmhouse like this is this is not my next about it
 yet and it was mainly in response intended to be
 a direct response to
 lands
 uh... this my next on the eight acts
 uh... because they have to go step by now next time but it can turn into a dual
 purpose eight acts
 and that's is for
 session uh... i just felt
 i mean a little looking at the time and again i get i i mentioned this in the
 comments on my my forum post
 i'd totally reserve the right
 to just by this phone on a win
 in a couple weeks and use it and maybe a little bit but from everything i've seen
 up to including our review
 uh... of this device it is just not it is
 it is the first nexus device that has been incremental enough
 uh... to not really
 tend to meet at all
 well i have no idea what i want to get you back up is is incremental when
 compared to the other flagship and red hardware that has come out in the past
 you know three four months
 but and the galaxy nexus now it's the company else's way better the screen
 way better
 the camera
 way better
 that over our processor the battle of the first ever had a really
 the overall feel the bill quality right
 like the glass back is like that that gives me pause
 but like
 there's not a single thing that is like only as a way better except so black
 melty
 there there was like this if if you compare it to the gsm galaxy nexus uh...
 from last year
 there was like three major complaints that people have with it
 one the camera
 to the screen
 and three the build quality
 and all three of those were addressed with the nexus four
 so i mean it's it's like
 the it's definitely an upgrade uh... you know and and it's frustrating that it
 doesn't have a lg and i think that's that's probably the more reason why you
 don't want to upgrade to it or don't want to purchase it chris
 uh... but
 uh... to say it's it's it's a it's a mediocre upgrade or incremental agree i
 think it's more of an upgrade
 to the galaxy nexus then the uh... four s was to the iphone four
 uh... no and i was about to say that that i think that the four to the forest
 is very good analogy if he has the same
 to me as the same feel
 uh... to it there you know if if it gets a warmed over gelt the way i described
 it was it's a galaxy nexus one point one
 in feel
 it has
 uh...
 no no no no i don't feel happy like physically feel that i don't have to
 say that
 now you're right
 you definitely have me in the field department look and and like i said i
 reserved the right
 but the completely deal one eighty on that so you're going to do it as well
 because he doesn't really are that four hundred fifty dollars was like you know
 uh... automatic by now territory for the looming nine twenty but you know but
 that's that's not a twenty but but but but but but but but but but but but but
 which by the way as l t e which gets me to the real core of my argument
 which is and and somebody i can't remember who somebody warned me not to
 rent about l t e and access for the show
 uh... but
 i'm throwing questions the wind here
 uh...
 the fact is that you know i i always hear people say well you know most people
 are melting in markets blah blah blah
 that is a complete
 load of the x okay we are now at uh... at last cover i think that the world for
 a hundred l t e markets can you name four hundred cities in the u s
 need a front of metro areas in the u s three can't
 so the fact is
 dot
 at right now
 uh... if you live in the united states
 odds are statistically speaking
 that you live in a bright
 simple t mark
 and over the course of the next
 uh... year to two i was going to come very good that you're in
 and he can see all team right as well and i thought they're already pretty
 good but they were they will be enormously in your favor uh... over the
 next uh... few months to year to two year-and-a-half
 so um... l t e is a very relevant thing
 it has a a market effect
 on uh... the data experience on the device
 and in markets with saturated ages ages p a which as you all know i a m n
 uh... l t e is not just nice to have it is a requirement
 uh... so uh... for me it is uh... a true
 deal breaker in the sense that i want to be able to access data on my phone
 and i cannot on the just p device
 so and maybe they'll they'll start to be common let's finish you as more people
 get on the gs three is my phone five is an eight-part
 back then you talk about this near post morning
 eighteen he's gonna start rolling out a small cells in dense
 areas for a just p a few one
 of twenty thirteen and theoretically that should help to alleviate it but a
 lot of the stuff
 but in the in the very short term
 this phone
 uh... is simply not an option for me
 so i i'm actually what's gonna happen is i'm just good
 breakdown by one
 uh... at some point
 and like i will use it a lot
 but when i really need to date data but i really need l t e
 i'll have to swap out something else and i'm really lucky that i get to be able
 to do that
 uh...
 but that's what's gonna happen because
 but i don't need all t e just for date on the phone or really be guilty for
 data on the phone because that he can teach us p a network is
 he can teach us p a network
 it's my second other solution i need you know i need to be able to tell there was
 that for
 this job
 yeah i i used other all the time as well uh...
 but you know that the thing is that i don't live in an area that has eighteen
 tl t coverage i do have a rise in all the you are live
 so you know it
 using the
 uh... next is for for me uh... will be akin to using my iphone five at least
 you know in my my home area as soon as i go into like you know that the city
 that and yeah it's it's a no contest but
 i don't know i'm still i still really kinda wall one
 that
 i mean we're all like a steep out
 we're all like
 uh...
 it is only three our box unlocked
 that eight or sixteen at three hundred
 eight uh... date yeah it's kind of three fifty sixteen yet
 i can't i can't just wanna buy this to have like
 uh... relatively inexpensive unlocked phone that i can use when i'm not in the
 u.s
 and i can have like you know
 it's a cutting edge unlocked phone i'm not dealing with you know uh...
 if i were to buy a different for three hundred dollars unlocked
 i'd be dealing with you know
 galaxy s one or something
 then i'll tell you what i will sell you and no casey seven five o'clock
 i don't know i don't think uh...
 i'd you have to like a decent five-point-five and i still would be
 would be wondering uh... if i should take that deal
 you know i don't think right now
 one x running science and not ten
 it's still around still not quite there but it's got way better in the past
 couple weeks
 and uh...
 pretty pleased what's the other is the rogers tax still usable on the eighteen
 t one x of her on my computer
 yeah
 i don't know what the state of that is my that my bootloaders unlocked and once
 i got that done i like peace on paying attention to that whole situation
 because i'm a jerk
 that's fair
 so what's missing on that wrong
 that's not
 uh... so that i really
 from well that's you know minor issues knowing that i was gotten way better and
 it's it's pretty stable there there's a week blocks which are things like apps
 opening up in the background of some kind of a really
 not seeing any real showstoppers right now uh...
 on the wrong from that six but like
 if they're moving on quickly that the house was
 you know the colonel needs work
 because each to see
 went with a crazy car
 but they were not
 actively
 yeah
 the
 when the weather's when is a tc going to make annexes phone again and you know
 when that's what came out it was like the best phone agency could make it ran
 stock
 and
 it's just like why can't you get
 we have developer phones
 from
 uh... motorola
 and he she see who else making a prediction phones is is so many of them
 and i can't say i'm so good samsung definitely is
 you know if you're looking at the lower your developer edition phone
 offer stock and read on and see what happens
 you know it's already developer phone is already you know not available
 subsidized carriers so you're not a cell phone
 see what happens man
 go crazy put on your developer website
 for developers their caution to the wind and just throw it up there
 i mean would if there were an android l t e phone that had a developer edition
 that offered uh... you know stock jelly bean experience tell me what by
 uh... i i i
 i would pay knowledge
 i think risked a like eight hundred fifty dollars to import and she is a galaxy
 so
 but i think that
 who didn't i mean like that
 but like i mean i think that this was the galaxy next is with such
 a m
 like a watershed moment for android there was so much at the demand among
 and read merits
 as such as ourselves
 for the galaxy nexus that i think that many of us were extremely desperate
 i'm getting on the first shipment devices
 my father
 celiac in our chances that has dropped like that xp a forms that there's a
 developers that uh...
 will show you how to
 root and unlocked them
 uh... one x the most recent
 it all i kinda want to get a one x on my hands now
 well there's one x plus them and
 stuff once a bigger battery but yeah i will come about the what what doesn't
 the one x plus half
 can you can you tell me
 and report went to
 uh... l t
 we don't know what it was about the uh... so like the the u k one does
 all known as the u k one i think that the uh...
 but keeping
 all right yet it is getting i'd totally space on it
 how about a uh... and how about uh... no get no cancer in a house and i think
 that's it
 you know i think you know i i don't know i got i got a i got a phone number
 thirty-five h p v here
 each peter man
 did i have a speaker
 uh...
 if you have an any criss i would actually like consider that
 i have a sign and meets are not ten feet away from me
 well i know you may not happen i will take that down
 to the grave
 gentleman i have a thing i need to be at in like fifteen minutes so i need to go
 so i'm gonna wrap this
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