 i'm ross miller unjustly pulsing and we are exhausted uh... i've got to post the election ross miller and we actually are exhausted uh... we can we completely bow the intro stuff that we're very tired yeah it's the uh... the end of a long crazy all hardware off the record almost at the final day here there is the others today and tomorrow shot but really we've you've got a lot done but we've got a lot that we see a lot there still more to come we actually have some really interesting stuff going up today uh... but uh... it has been a the whirlwind week it's been a whirlwind you know a lot of a lot of sick people but tired people lost a few good men lost women several good men and women uh... and uh... yeah i'm just like yeah i'm pretty bird and there's there is so much of it it's just Thursday by the way it's just Thursday i'm pretty sure we've been six to twelve days to get out there's so much stuff in the short floor and we've barely been up keep track and josh look i know you're better chief of site you see everything we cover and everything goes on there yeah i mean it's been uh... i mean yes that's the you know i try to keep track of everything uh... but we've published a lot right a lot of news and i challenge you a challenge now with the new segment that we like to call hello and welcome to name that product a brand new game show for today today only this is the pretty sure we ask you just what the heck is that thing each contestant will have thirty seconds or less to figure out just what this product does now we got four guys that we want to show off we have our first and really are only contestant tonight he is an editor in chief for the first dot com joshua to paul ski josh how are you doing i guess i'm great i don't really know i don't know what's going on here but for a thick are you ready to play no but i'd guess i'm going to have to so i i accept terry whatever challenge it is that you have for me great that's wonderful josh here's your first product okay uh... this is a uh... this is a okay this is a medical this is for doctors is a device for doctors to be able to see inside just underneath the skin uh... this is for nurses and medical technicians when they have to give a shot to someone they are that uses to see as a correct that is correct to really that's a lot of that is the idea that i've never seen that before yet the beginning classes see through the skin uh... it's crazy stuff very interesting i don't know if you're not so point out how having credible my understanding of the college years that i was able to uh... just know what that was just by looking at it does not sell just yet we've got three more these are by the way is there a reason why it looks like i'm sitting in a sex dungeon of some type is there a TV on back here? here's product number two uh... this is a this is put you insert this into the rectum and it tells you it's another medical device inserted into the rectum it tells you what your pulse is no you wear it on your head it's a device that tells you how hard you're being punched that was actually the Reebok check light it goes into athletes helmets and checks the impact. It doesn't go to the rectum. Not the rectum I was pretty sure that's a rectum item. You've got one out of two here's your third product this is a paper airplane this is a paper airplane with a propeller on the back of it I'm just describing what I'm seeing right now okay this is some new paper drone that has an app that you control using an iPhone uh... you can make your own paper airplane and then you put this little clip on the back of it or something and then uh... you know i think it's a bluetooth powered paper airplane uh... that's perfect. I don't feel like I'm being greatly challenged here you clip it on the paper plane and you can control it. I don't mind telling you but I'm a technology expert. You know I think we might have underestimated you. I'm owning you so hard right now it's not even funny. Alright well let's see. How does it feel to be owned this hard? It feels like every day at home. Two out of three my man. It feels just like the office. And as Meat Loaf said that ain't bad alright this is it this is for pure domination Josh. Okay here we go. Do I win something? Oh wait hold on that's a circuit board those are hands it's a person's hand this is a uh... oh it's a breathalyzer this is a uh... open source breathalyzer that anybody can use it's got an open API oh no this is a vaping product open source vaping digital vapor is what this product is. Alright you know what that's close enough. It's actually a biometric vaporizer and what it does is I called that. Yes. uh... it basically doesn't let kids do it. It basically locks your fingerprint in. I don't think it could be I don't think my dominance in the technology space can be challenged at this point. You know I think when we came to this game show we thought I thought you had a little bit less sleep. No I'm high on NyQuil right now. I mean I'm not. Clearly bowed down to the king. Maybe I need to be on NyQuil more often. Maybe that's the key here. Is this the end of the show? So that is it for naming that product and look in all seriousness we've had a lot of crazy crazy gadgets out there but the one that we think the last couple years really does change how we perceive the industry has been the Oculus Rift. Virtual Reality headset has impressed a lot of people. They're back this year with a brand new version and you know for fun we thought we'd let the entire staff just kind of try it out and of course we filmed the reactions. Take a look. Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god what's happening? Oh my god. Oh my god. What the hell? This is, this is, this is, I have to say this is I'm not able to do words right now. Holy crap. Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait a minute. What the fuck? Look straight forward. This is not good I'm totally hung over in this. Look at this. This is, this is stupid. This is like Hanukkah. I'm sorry I'm so giggly. It's just, whoa. This is like being hugged by a video game. These guys are really cool. Got big bellies. Could you put them together? I really want to pick these guys up like, but I can't. This is very disorienting because I can see my hand and it's like I want to kill it. Squashing guys. Wait so how do I kill this thing? Okay I killed someone. You guys saw that right? Okay I just want to kill things. Is anyone dead yet? Oh he's dead. I can shoot them. Oh I got one. I got that guy. Dude. Dude. That's a table. Oh. Okay there's a table there. This is amazing and I never want to take it off. I mean I'm not going to take it off. Oh I don't want to leave. This is the best thing. No but no but no no no. I feel amazing right now. I really don't want you to take this off of me. Welcome back to Vegas. Oh wow. That's cool. Pretty incredible. Can I just say I'm really jealous that I didn't get to do the Oculus Rift this year. Yeah you were too busy. Oh wait there's a jet landed in the parking lot. Please excuse us. You're just naming products left and right. I mean you really think you just use to point things out. This is an Airbus 320 actually. Outfitted with the dual hydraulic cylinder boost. And that's not a thing. I made that up. That's a made up product. Well I think the 320 is an actual plane. No but really interesting to see reactions. I actually when we brought the new version in. First off I had already experienced it obviously a bunch of times. So I wasn't expecting to have much of a reaction. There were a few people here who had never used it before. But several people had used it. And so I thought well we'll see what the reactions are. And there definitely was like. I was actually kind of blown away because of the detail. Some of the stuff they've done. The latency stuff they've addressed. The resolution. You still see some of the pixels but it's much higher resolution than the last version. And the positioning. The positioning tracking. But now it requires a separate camera too right? Yeah it has an external camera that kind of senses your. That's what those white dots are. They are communicating information to that sensor. But I was actually really impressed. I thought that it wouldn't be that big of a jump. And it was a big jump. And a lot of people here. What was interesting is that the reaction was not this raw surprise of having never done it before. But it was like they were so immersed in it. There were a lot of people who came out and were like I don't want to be out here. I want to go back in. And also there's a part of the demo where you see stuff flying around where people are dodging it. And I think that because of the changes in latency and the resolution that feels so much more visceral than the previous stuff did. Right and I'm curious how diminished the motion blur is too. We have people on staff who do suffer from motion sickness. We didn't get them to try it unfortunately. I really would have loved them to see the reaction. Especially if it went bad. I mean the latency is greatly reduced which helps that there was very little blurring to my eyes. And what's interesting is that the game that we were playing was a stationary game. It was essentially like a tower defense game. And I spoke to the Oculus guys and they really wanted to show off the Rift as a device that you can use for gaming that isn't just FPS. Because there's a certain segment, in fact the CEO, Brendan, told me there's a certain segment of people that are just always going to feel some bit of motion sickness no matter what playing a really fast moving game like a first person shooter. And so I think they're now trying to get to this point where they're showing hey look there's a bunch of different things you can do with the Oculus Rift. It isn't just about like you're playing Quake. Although you know Quake would be great in the Oculus Rift. Not to mention with the new Virtuix too where you can just run in place. Yeah that's actually really cool. That's something that we put up a report about this yesterday. Ellis Hamburger went to try out this device. We checked it out last year which I think was in much rougher shape. I think it was using a Kinect sensor. Yes the Virtuix Omni. And they're pairing it with the dev set of the Oculus Rift which is much more light and lower resolution and doesn't have the position tracking. But now they're getting ready to ship this thing and it actually looks a lot better. Though Ellis said that he was extremely nauseous on it. Oh sure. If you watch the video you can just see him running in place. It's a little bit kind of like disoriented. I do think it definitely looks like a better experience than it was last time. I'm sure the new headset would probably help. But now we're getting to the point where like I remember when I was growing up in the 90's there was a blockbuster arcade where I was living. And they had the big virtual reality machines. This was a big deal for when I was growing up. And it was just, to me it was super impressive. But it was definitely something you walked away just wanting to throw up. Yeah. So that's something we did yesterday. We should talk a little bit about T-Mobile had their press event yesterday. Which by the way we should issue some of the correction. We should issue a statement here. We've been pronouncing the CEO of T-Mobile's name as John Legere. Yes. It's apparently John Ledger. Which sounds frighteningly similar to John Legend. And both of them are at CES. So it's a little confusing. But one is an insane maniac CEO and the other is John Legend. So it's pretty easy to tell them apart. Usually. Yeah. So yeah. John I can't say it. John Ledger. Which also sounds like leisure. Yes. John Ledger got on stage yesterday and announced that T-Mobile was going to do was going to pay for your ETF, your early termination fee. If you're on AT&T right now he will give you $350 to leave or whatever your ETF fee is to come over to T-Mobile. This is also per lines. If you have family. Yeah. You'll go do it for up to five people on a family plan. Right. Which is pretty crazy but you have to turn your device into them. So they're going to take that device and refurbish it and resell it and make it fully committed. Right. Exactly. But you know what's interesting about what they announced yesterday, which is really the only big announcement yesterday. Really was. I mean when Surya... Right. We're almost almost done with the show but the interesting thing is they don't really talk about how they're building out their network. You know Dan Seifert who is actually at the show got up and asked him a question about the network. He was like why? What are you doing about your network being so bad? And I think I was like going crazy about this on the Vergecast last night. But I do think they what's interesting about the T-Mobile stuff is that I think they have some really good ideas and it seems very exciting but they do have network issues. T-Mobile stinks in my neighborhood. And they're not talking about how they're going to address that part of the process. Yeah. Which I think is really important. And not to echo too much what Neil I was saying yesterday but it is a chicken and egg problem. They need customers and money to make more antennas to get more customers and money. Right. And then to do this they just need some catalyst to like get out and the catalyst of course was these uncarrier plans, was the brashness of the attitude. Which isn't just John Legere anymore it's also what's his name? I think Neville his CTO. Yeah. Neville. I like his wardrobe here. He's just like you know guys I'm going to wear the pink t-shirt. You guys are going to wear, he's got like this chain on. When was the last time he wore a dress shirt? I guess his dude's wearing a t-shirt too. It's a very casual look for the T-Mobile guys. They want you to know they're down to earth regular bros. You can have a beer with them. It's no big deal. Neil I has this theory that this is all a put on that like you know a year ago he was this executive in a suit and some short hair. Corporate raider in like a suit with a short haircut and he let his hair grow out and became the John Legere that we know and love. And like the tough thing is like whether or not he is if you're going to be cynical about it or you're going to be hopeful but like the end result is still somewhat the same. Like it's still a more compelling plan. No I agree. If you're in a great coverage area and you never travel like slam dunk. So I've been asked you this and I'd like to know what have you seen of the show? What's the most interesting and exciting thing you've seen of the show and what's the lamest thing you've seen? All right well I actually to be perfectly honest I haven't been on the show floor yet. Yeah but you know theverge.com has a lot of amazing coverage of the show. Had I done the game I'd be screwed. You would have been blown because I'm owning everybody in my knowledge of technology. You know I think the lamest thing is more of a category idea. It's just like it's smartphones in general because it's so ubiquitous. It's so same see. And it's not that it's bad. It was just boring to me. I was like but the most impressive thing was this idea. And like it was it was Kaz Urai's keynote and at the very end we started talking about Lifestream UX and then he got to that speech about what Sony wants to represent. Like no more commodity where you know we're here for the high end. We're here for aspiration. I thought that was just a beautiful moment for Sony getting back on track. Yeah. And let me make something like when I first yes I came here was when the Howard Stringer keynote was where he brought Dr. Oz out he showed like. Classic. Very classic things. I think Kelly Foxx played one year. That was like peak CS like let's just throw a celebrity on stage. And I used to love that stuff because it was just spectacle but now I'm really loving the Sony stuff because they're actually trying to get back on track. Yeah. And you're using the Xperia phone. I've got to say I'm a little jealous about that. I have to say I really I was thinking about this last night. It's funny because I went to a meeting with Kaz and there were a couple of other journalists there. I was the only person with a Sony phone which I think is interesting. But I think if they put the marketing in for this I think this actually could be a really successful product. I mean unfortunately their only carrier right now for it is T-Mobile. But I actually think Sony's capable of making good products. And this phone while it does have some bloatware on it and stuff that I don't like which you can pretty much disable all of it. It's really good. Right. You know and it's well made and it's got a great camera. You know there's some issues with the screen but they're not deal breakers in any way. But Sony is capable of making amazing stuff. I think whether you think the games are good for it the PS4 is clearly a successful console. It's actually and I'm very surprised it is. It's more successful than Xbox One. More successful than Xbox One even though I would you know if you go into my head like which one would you get I would get the Xbox One because I think it's more of a cohesive solution. And I did so. But what Kaz Harai was describing and what he talked to me about this idea of the cloud TV service and PlayStation Now and things like that they really are talking about creating this sort of completely connected entertainment experience which I think everybody talks about but I think Sony could actually do based on the lessons they've learned over the last 10 years of what not to do. And what was so impressive like so obviously Sony had two press conferences. One was the very boring here's our new phones here's our new cameras whatever. That was a very disappointing press conference but the Kaz Harai thing was like look we think projectors in the home high screen images you can change what your wall looks like. Like that's crazy stuff and then he goes oh by the way that is real and we are going to bet money and release it. Yeah. I mean they definitely got he definitely got the right the message right. And the message is Sony needs to be a leader. We need to try crazy things. We need to innovate and not just copy what everybody else is doing. And I do think like for most companies that should be a lesson right. It's you know the more the more Android for example got different from what the iPhone was doing the lesson became like a grid of icons and just trying to ape what the iPhone was doing the better it became as an operating system. I think Matias Duarte had a lot to do with that. Sort of pushing the design forward. And I think you see Google owning its own sort of design concepts and its own path and that's how they've sort of grown into the company they are right now. I think Sony for a long time just sort of languished. So sort of didn't really know what it wanted to be or who it was and now they're like oh we're Sony. We invent amazing things. And I hope they actually end up doing some amazing things because of that mindset. I agree with you. That was a really cool that was a really cool moment. I have to say I think this is this show was you know last year the talk was before the show everybody was like man it's going to be a terrible show. CS is over. Why does it matter? And it was a really exciting show. This year I think proves my I wrote an editorial the last day of the year. The Age of the Upgrade. The Age of the Upgrade which was about our awareness of technology and how it's become a really normal part of our lives and how we expect things to be upgraded. You expect a phone to get a bigger screen or a better camera. You expect your TV that there's going to be a new TV next year with smart TV functions or whatever. And I think that my point of the editorial was what interests me and I think what is increasingly interesting to most people is not the hey my phone got an upgrade. It's like you know they release new stoves all the time but you're not like oh man what are the stoves doing this year. Because they've become like a product that we're familiar with and we're used to. And my point was innovation doesn't happen on product release cycles. And this CES is a great example of innovation not happening on a product release cycle. You know Pebble they introduced a new smart watch. Last year we were really excited because they had this Kickstarter project that became a real watch that you could buy. And it was really cool that it had really never been done before. This year they have version two which is nicer looking and it comes in a couple of different styles. But it's really the same watch right? And they're just making iterative changes to it. It's the same watch in a functional standpoint but we're talking about form and the form has improved. But that's the incremental stuff. But then you see like hey we're doing curved TVs this year or everybody's got their fitness ban because that's become a thing. That is incremental. That's not really that's not the kind of innovation that you want to see. But you can't do that crazy innovation every year. You can't have a new Oculus Rift every year. And so I think we are in this period where there's going to be a little bit of a push and pull. We're going to go through periods where your smart phone isn't going to get dramatically better. It's going to get a little bit better. But on the flip side we're going to have things like the Model S and bullet trains and doing infrastructure and energy initiatives and things that are like really big. I think that to me is reflected really well this year because everything here feels really small to me. All of the innovation all of the announcements feels like totally incremental, totally small I would not say inconsequential just not deeply meaningful. And that's like my take away from the show basically. I'm just like on a complete rant now. You're just sitting here and I'm just like ranting. And I just feel like yeah we're both really burnt. We've done a million shows while we've been here and I think we have to wrap up because we're probably reaching our 25 minute time. We're a little over there. Are we over it? Yeah we're doing well. Well we just start 10 minutes late though. Still I have exactly 25 minutes according to my clock. At any rate I think we probably need to wrap up. So today we've got a lot more news that's going to happen. We've got some really interesting reports going up today and tomorrow. Some in depth reporting on what's happening here at the show. Some stuff that you really haven't seen yet and maybe haven't thought about. And then tonight we've got Verge Mobile Show. Vergecast. I'm going to sneeze because I'm very sick. The Vergecast After Hours which will be the last one of CES unfortunately. We are setting down the studio. Yeah so after Thursday night, on Friday it's the kind of studio breakdown. So today will be our final shows from here from CES. And you know it's a little bittersweet but also I'm extremely tired and so I'm very happy to not do any more shows from CES. You know we come to CES every year going I can't believe we're doing this. I'm so angry. We come here. We fall in love with it. We're so happy. By Friday this was great. And then we go back to 11 months of dreading. Yeah. I don't know. I think by the end of CES I'm like I don't ever want to do this again. By day, by whatever let's see. It'll be day six for me or something tomorrow. You know six days of CES is of doing all the planning and all the work. All the dryness of Las Vegas. All the dryness. Yeah. So much blood coming out of my nose. It's out of control. And not from the Coke abuse. So okay I think that's a great way to end. A lovely note. So that's first. Thank you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate the fact that people have tuned in. Like lots of people. We've had a huge audience this year and that's awesome. And there's a lot more stuff to come today so stick around. Ross it's been a real pleasure. Josh it was nice knowing you. And that's our show. Thanks for watching. See you guys later.
 i'm ross miller unjustly pulsing
 and we are exhausted
 uh... i've got to post the election ross miller and we actually are exhausted
 uh... we can we completely bow the intro stuff that we're very tired
 yeah it's the uh...
 the end of a long
 crazy all hardware off the record almost at the final day here
 there is the others today and tomorrow shot but really we've
 you've got a lot done but we've got a lot that we see a lot there still more
 to come we actually have some really interesting stuff going up today
 uh... but
 uh... it has been a
 the whirlwind week it's been a whirlwind you know a lot of a lot of
 sick people
 but tired people lost a few good men lost women several good men and women
 uh... and uh...
 yeah i'm just like yeah i'm pretty bird
 and there's there is so much of it it's just Thursday by the way it's just
 Thursday i'm pretty sure we've been six to twelve days to get out there's so
 much stuff in the short floor and we've
 barely been up keep track and josh look i know you're better chief of site you
 see everything we cover and everything goes on there
 yeah i mean it's been uh... i mean yes that's the you know i try to keep track
 of everything
 uh... but we've published a lot right
 a lot of news and i challenge you
 a challenge now
 with the new segment that we like to call
 hello and welcome to name that product a brand new game show for today today only
 this is the pretty sure we ask you just what the heck is that thing
 each contestant will have thirty seconds or less
 to figure out just what this product does
 now we got four guys that we want to show off we have
 our first
 and really are only contestant tonight
 he is an editor in chief for the first dot com joshua to paul ski josh how are
 you doing
 i guess i'm great i don't really know
 i don't know what's going on here but for a thick are you ready to play
 no but
 i'd guess i'm going to have to so i i accept terry whatever challenge it is
 that you have for me great that's wonderful josh
 here's your first product okay
 uh... this is a uh... this is a okay this is a medical this is for doctors
 is a device for doctors
 to be able to see inside just underneath the skin
 uh... this is for nurses
 and medical technicians when they have to give a shot to someone
 they are that uses to see as a correct that is correct to really
 that's a lot of that is the idea that i've never seen that before yet the
 beginning classes see through the skin uh... it's crazy stuff very interesting
 i don't know if you're not so point out how
 having credible my understanding of the college years that i was able to
 uh...
 just know what that was just by looking at it does not sell just yet we've got
 three more these are by the way is there a reason why it looks like i'm sitting
 in a sex dungeon of some type
 is there a TV on back here? here's product number two
 uh...
 this is
 a
 this
 is
 put you insert this into the rectum
 and it tells you it's another medical device
 inserted into the rectum
 it tells you what your pulse is
 no you wear it on your head
 it's a device that tells you how hard you're being punched
 that was actually the Reebok check light it goes into athletes helmets
 and checks the impact. It doesn't go to the rectum. Not the rectum
 I was pretty sure that's a rectum item. You've got one
 out of two
 here's your third product
 this is a paper airplane
 this is a paper airplane
 with a propeller on the back of it
 I'm just describing what I'm seeing right now
 okay this is some new
 paper drone that has an app that you control using an iPhone
 uh... you can make your own paper airplane and then you put this little clip on the back of it
 or something
 and then uh... you know i think it's a bluetooth powered paper airplane
 uh... that's perfect. I don't feel like I'm being greatly challenged here
 you clip it on the paper plane and you can control it. I don't mind telling you but I'm a
 technology expert. You know I think we might have underestimated you. I'm owning you so hard right now
 it's not even funny. Alright well let's see. How does it feel to be owned this hard?
 It feels like every day at home. Two out of three my man. It feels just like the office. And as Meat Loaf said that ain't bad
 alright this is it this is for pure domination Josh. Okay here we go. Do I win something?
 Oh wait hold on
 that's a circuit board
 those are hands
 it's a person's hand
 this is a uh... oh it's a breathalyzer
 this is a uh... open source breathalyzer that anybody can use
 it's got an open API
 oh no this is a vaping product
 open source vaping
 digital vapor
 is what this product is. Alright
 you know what
 that's close enough. It's actually a biometric vaporizer and what it does is
 I called that. Yes.
 uh... it basically doesn't let kids do it. It basically locks your fingerprint in. I don't think it could be
 I don't think my dominance in the technology space can be
 challenged at this point. You know I think when we came to this game show we thought
 I thought you had a little bit less sleep. No I'm high on NyQuil right now.
 I mean I'm not. Clearly bowed down to the king. Maybe I need to be on NyQuil more often.
 Maybe that's the key here.
 Is this the end of the show? So that is it for naming that product and look in all seriousness
 we've had a lot of crazy
 crazy gadgets out there but the one that we think the last couple years really does
 change how we perceive the industry has been the Oculus Rift.
 Virtual Reality headset has impressed a lot of people. They're back this year with a brand new version
 and you know for fun we thought we'd let the entire staff
 just kind of try it out and of course we filmed the reactions. Take a look.
 Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god what's happening? Oh my god. Oh my god.
 What the hell?
 This is, this is, this is, I have to say this is
 I'm not able to do words right now.
 Holy crap. Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait a minute.
 What the fuck?
 Look straight forward.
 This is not good I'm totally hung over in this. Look at this.
 This is, this is stupid. This is like Hanukkah.
 I'm sorry I'm so giggly. It's just, whoa.
 This is like being hugged by a video game.
 These guys are really cool. Got big bellies.
 Could you put them together?
 I really want to pick these guys up like, but I can't.
 This is very disorienting because I can see my hand
 and it's like I want to kill it.
 Squashing guys. Wait so how do I kill this thing?
 Okay I killed someone. You guys saw that right? Okay I just want to kill things.
 Is anyone dead yet? Oh he's dead. I can shoot them.
 Oh I got one. I got that guy.
 Dude. Dude. That's a table.
 Oh. Okay there's a table there.
 This is amazing and I never want to take it off.
 I mean I'm not going to take it off.
 Oh I don't want to leave. This is the best thing.
 No but no but no no no. I feel amazing right now.
 I really don't want you to take this off of me. Welcome back to Vegas.
 Oh wow.
 That's cool. Pretty incredible. Can I just say
 I'm really jealous that I didn't get to do the Oculus Rift this year. Yeah you were too busy.
 Oh wait there's a jet landed in the parking lot. Please excuse us.
 You're just naming products left and right. I mean you really think you just use to point things out.
 This is an Airbus 320 actually.
 Outfitted with the dual hydraulic cylinder boost.
 And that's not a thing. I made that up.
 That's a made up product. Well I think the 320 is an actual plane.
 No but really interesting to see reactions. I actually when we
 brought the new version in. First off I had already experienced it obviously a bunch of times.
 So I wasn't expecting to have much of a reaction.
 There were a few people here who had never used it before.
 But several people had used it. And so I thought well we'll see what the reactions are.
 And there definitely was like. I was actually kind of blown away because of the detail.
 Some of the stuff they've done.
 The latency stuff they've addressed. The resolution.
 You still see some of the pixels but it's much higher resolution than the last version.
 And the positioning. The positioning tracking.
 But now it requires a separate camera too right?
 Yeah it has an external camera that kind of senses your.
 That's what those white dots are. They are communicating information to that sensor.
 But I was actually really impressed. I thought that it wouldn't be that big of a jump.
 And it was a big jump. And a lot of people here. What was interesting is that the reaction was not
 this raw surprise of having never done it before.
 But it was like they were so immersed in it.
 There were a lot of people who came out and were like I don't want to be out here.
 I want to go back in. And also there's a part of the demo where you see stuff
 flying around where people are dodging it. And I think that because of the
 changes in latency and the resolution that feels so much more visceral
 than the previous stuff did. Right and I'm curious how diminished the motion blur is too.
 We have people on staff who do suffer from motion sickness.
 We didn't get them to try it unfortunately. I really would have loved them to see the reaction.
 Especially if it went bad. I mean the latency is greatly reduced which helps that
 there was very little blurring to my eyes.
 And what's interesting is that the game that we were playing
 was a stationary game. It was essentially like a tower defense game.
 And I spoke to the Oculus guys and they really wanted to show off
 the Rift as a device that you can use for gaming that isn't just
 FPS. Because there's a certain segment, in fact the CEO, Brendan, told me
 there's a certain segment of people that are just always going to feel some bit of motion sickness
 no matter what playing a really fast moving game like a first person shooter.
 And so I think they're now trying to get to this point where they're
 showing hey look there's a bunch of different things you can do with the Oculus Rift.
 It isn't just about like you're playing Quake. Although
 you know Quake would be great in the Oculus Rift.
 Not to mention with the new Virtuix too where you can just run in place.
 Yeah that's actually really cool. That's something that we put up a report
 about this yesterday. Ellis Hamburger went to try out this device.
 We checked it out last year which I think was in much rougher shape.
 I think it was using a Kinect sensor. Yes the Virtuix Omni.
 And they're pairing it with the dev set of the Oculus
 Rift which is much more light and
 lower resolution and doesn't have the position tracking.
 But now they're getting ready to ship this thing and it actually looks a lot better. Though Ellis said
 that he was extremely nauseous on it. Oh sure. If you watch
 the video you can just see him running in place. It's a little bit
 kind of like disoriented. I do think it definitely looks like a better experience than it was last time.
 I'm sure the new headset would probably help. But now we're getting to the point where like
 I remember when I was growing up in the 90's there was a blockbuster arcade where I was living.
 And they had the big virtual reality machines. This was a big deal for when I was growing up.
 And it was just, to me it was super impressive.
 But it was definitely something you walked away just wanting to
 throw up. Yeah. So that's something we did yesterday. We should talk
 a little bit about T-Mobile had their press event yesterday. Which by the way
 we should issue some of the correction. We should issue a statement here. We've been pronouncing
 the CEO of T-Mobile's name as John Legere. Yes. It's apparently
 John Ledger. Which sounds frighteningly similar to John Legend.
 And both of them are at CES. So it's a little confusing.
 But one is an insane maniac
 CEO and the other is John Legend. So it's pretty easy to tell them apart.
 Usually. Yeah. So yeah. John
 I can't say it. John Ledger.
 Which also sounds like leisure. Yes. John Ledger
 got on stage yesterday and announced that T-Mobile was going to do
 was going to pay for your ETF, your early termination fee. If you're on AT&T
 right now he will give you $350 to leave or whatever your
 ETF fee is to come over to T-Mobile. This is also
 per lines. If you have family. Yeah. You'll go do it for up to five people on a family plan. Right.
 Which is pretty crazy but you have to turn your device into them. So they're going to take that device and refurbish it
 and resell it and make it fully committed. Right. Exactly.
 But you know what's interesting about what they announced yesterday, which is really the only big
 announcement yesterday. Really was. I mean when Surya... Right. We're almost
 almost done with the show but the interesting thing is
 they don't really talk about how they're building out their network.
 You know Dan Seifert who is actually at the show got up and asked him a question about
 the network. He was like why? What are you doing about your network being so bad? And I think
 I was like going crazy about this on the Vergecast last night. But I do think they
 what's interesting about the T-Mobile stuff is that I think they have some really good ideas
 and it seems very exciting but they do have network issues.
 T-Mobile stinks in my neighborhood. And they're not talking about how they're
 going to address that part of the process. Yeah.
 Which I think is really important. And not to echo too much what Neil I was saying yesterday but it is a chicken and egg problem.
 They need customers and money to make more antennas to get more customers and money. Right.
 And then to do this they just need some catalyst to like get out
 and the catalyst of course was these uncarrier plans, was the brashness of the
 attitude. Which isn't just John Legere anymore it's also
 what's his name? I think Neville his CTO. Yeah. Neville.
 I like his wardrobe here. He's just like you know guys
 I'm going to wear the pink t-shirt. You guys are going to wear, he's got like this chain
 on. When was the last time he wore a dress shirt? I guess his dude's wearing a t-shirt too.
 It's a very casual look for the T-Mobile guys. They want you to know they're down to earth
 regular bros. You can have a beer with them. It's no big deal.
 Neil I has this theory that this is all a put on that like you know a year ago he was this
 executive in a suit and some short hair. Corporate raider in like a
 suit with a short haircut and he let his hair grow out and became the John Legere that we
 know and love. And like the tough thing is like whether or not he is if you're going to be
 cynical about it or you're going to be hopeful but like the end result is still somewhat the same.
 Like it's still a more compelling plan. No I agree.
 If you're in a great coverage area and you never travel like slam dunk.
 So I've been asked you this and I'd like to know
 what have you seen of the show? What's the most interesting and exciting thing you've seen of the show and what's the lamest
 thing you've seen? All right well I actually to be perfectly honest I haven't
 been on the show floor yet. Yeah but you know theverge.com has a lot of amazing coverage
 of the show. Had I done the game I'd be screwed. You would have been blown because
 I'm owning everybody in my knowledge of technology. You know I think
 the lamest thing is more of a category idea. It's just like
 it's smartphones in general because it's so ubiquitous. It's so same see.
 And it's not that it's bad. It was just boring to me. I was like
 but the most impressive thing was this idea. And like it was
 it was Kaz Urai's keynote and at the very end we started talking about Lifestream UX
 and then he got to that speech about what Sony wants to represent. Like no more commodity
 where you know we're here for the high end. We're here for aspiration. I thought that was just
 a beautiful moment for Sony getting back on track. Yeah. And let me make something like when I
 first yes I came here was when the Howard Stringer keynote was where he brought Dr. Oz out
 he showed like. Classic. Very classic things. I think Kelly Foxx
 played one year. That was like peak CS like let's just throw a celebrity on stage.
 And I used to love that stuff because it was just spectacle but now I'm really loving the Sony stuff because
 they're actually trying to get back on track. Yeah. And you're using the Xperia phone. I've got to say
 I'm a little jealous about that. I have to say I really
 I was thinking about this last night. It's funny because I went to a meeting with
 Kaz and there were a couple of other journalists there. I was the only
 person with a Sony phone which I think is interesting. But
 I think if they put the marketing in for this I think this actually could be a really successful
 product. I mean unfortunately their only carrier right now for it is T-Mobile.
 But I actually think Sony's capable of making good products. And this phone while it
 does have some bloatware on it and stuff that I don't like which you can pretty much
 disable all of it. It's really good. Right. You know and
 it's well made and it's got a great camera. You know there's some issues with the screen but they're not
 deal breakers in any way. But Sony
 is capable of making amazing stuff. I think whether you think the
 games are good for it the PS4 is clearly a successful console.
 It's actually and I'm very surprised it is. It's more successful than Xbox One. More successful than Xbox One even though I
 would you know if you go into my head like which one would you get I would get the Xbox
 One because I think it's more of a cohesive solution. And I did so. But what
 Kaz Harai was describing and what he talked to me about this idea of the
 cloud TV service and PlayStation Now and things like that
 they really are talking about creating this sort of completely connected entertainment
 experience which I think everybody talks about but I think Sony could actually
 do based on the lessons they've learned over the last 10 years
 of what not to do. And what was so impressive like so obviously Sony had two press
 conferences. One was the very boring here's our new phones here's our new cameras
 whatever. That was a very disappointing press conference but the Kaz Harai thing was like look
 we think projectors in the home high screen images you can change what your wall looks like.
 Like that's crazy stuff and then he goes oh by the way that is real and
 we are going to bet money and release it. Yeah. I mean they definitely
 got he definitely got the right the message right.
 And the message is Sony needs to be a leader. We need to try crazy things.
 We need to innovate and not just copy what everybody else is doing. And I do
 think like for most companies that should be a lesson right. It's
 you know the more the more Android for example got different
 from what the iPhone was doing the lesson became like a grid of icons and just trying to ape
 what the iPhone was doing the better it became as an operating system. I think
 Matias Duarte had a lot to do with that. Sort of pushing the design forward. And I think
 you see Google owning its own sort of design concepts and its own path
 and that's how they've sort of grown into the company they are right now. I think Sony
 for a long time just sort of languished. So sort of didn't really know what it
 wanted to be or who it was and now they're like oh we're Sony. We invent
 amazing things. And I hope they actually end up doing some amazing things because of
 that mindset. I agree with you. That was a really cool
 that was a really cool moment. I have to say I think this is this show was
 you know last year the talk was before
 the show everybody was like man it's going to be a terrible show. CS is over. Why does it matter?
 And it was a really exciting show. This year I think proves
 my I wrote an editorial the last day of the year.
 The Age of the Upgrade. The Age of the Upgrade which was about our
 awareness of technology and how it's become a really normal
 part of our lives and how we expect things to be upgraded. You expect a phone
 to get a bigger screen or a better camera. You expect your TV that there's going to be a new
 TV next year with smart TV functions or whatever. And I think that my point of the
 editorial was what interests me and I think what is increasingly
 interesting to most people is not the hey my phone got an upgrade. It's like
 you know they release new stoves all the time but you're not like oh man what are the stoves
 doing this year. Because they've become like a product that we're familiar with and we're used to.
 And my point was innovation doesn't
 happen on product release cycles. And this CES is a great example of
 innovation not happening on a product release cycle. You know
 Pebble they introduced a new smart watch. Last year we were really excited because they had this
 Kickstarter project that became a real watch that you could buy.
 And it was really cool that it had really never been done before. This year they have
 version two which is nicer looking and it comes in a couple of different styles.
 But it's really the same watch right? And they're just making iterative changes to it.
 It's the same watch in a functional standpoint but we're talking about form
 and the form has improved. But that's the incremental stuff. But then you see
 like hey we're doing curved TVs this year or everybody's got their fitness
 ban because that's become a thing. That is incremental. That's not really
 that's not the kind of innovation that you want to see. But you can't do
 that crazy innovation every year. You can't have a new Oculus Rift every year.
 And so I think we are in this period where there's going to be a little bit
 of a push and pull. We're going to go through periods where
 your smart phone isn't going to get dramatically better. It's going to get a little bit better.
 But on the flip side we're going to have things like
 the Model S and bullet trains and
 doing infrastructure and energy initiatives and things that are like
 really big. I think that to me is reflected really well this year
 because everything here feels really small to me. All of the innovation
 all of the announcements feels like totally incremental, totally small
 I would not say inconsequential just not deeply meaningful.
 And that's like my take away from the show basically.
 I'm just like on a complete rant now. You're just sitting here and I'm just like
 ranting. And I just feel like yeah we're both really burnt.
 We've done a million shows while we've been here and
 I think we have to wrap up because we're probably reaching our 25 minute
 time. We're a little over there. Are we over it? Yeah we're doing well. Well we just start 10 minutes late
 though. Still I have exactly 25 minutes according to my clock.
 At any rate I think we probably need to wrap up. So today we've got
 a lot more news that's going to happen. We've got some really interesting reports going up today
 and tomorrow. Some in depth reporting on what's happening here at the show. Some stuff that you really haven't
 seen yet and maybe haven't thought about. And then tonight
 we've got Verge Mobile Show. Vergecast.
 I'm going to sneeze because I'm very sick. The Vergecast After Hours which will be the last
 one of CES unfortunately. We are setting down the studio. Yeah so after
 Thursday night, on Friday it's the kind of studio breakdown. So
 today will be our final shows from here
 from CES. And you know it's a little bittersweet but also
 I'm extremely tired and so I'm very happy to not do any more shows from CES. You know we come to CES every
 year going I can't believe we're doing this. I'm so angry. We come here. We fall in love with it.
 We're so happy. By Friday this was great. And then we go back
 to 11 months of dreading. Yeah. I don't know. I think by the end of CES I'm like
 I don't ever want to do this again. By day, by whatever
 let's see. It'll be day six for me or something tomorrow.
 You know six days of CES is of doing all the planning and all
 the work. All the dryness of Las Vegas. All the dryness. Yeah.
 So much blood coming out of my nose. It's out of control. And not from the Coke
 abuse. So okay I think that's a great way to end. A lovely note. So that's first.
 Thank you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate the fact that people have
 tuned in. Like lots of people. We've had a huge audience this year and that's
 awesome. And there's a lot more stuff to come today so stick around. Ross
 it's been a real pleasure. Josh it was nice knowing you. And that's our show.
 Thanks for watching. See you guys later.