 So we talked about the Kindle Fire, we were just talking about it, but you and I discussed it before it came out, and you said you liked the Fire because it had a really different skin, and you liked the fact that it had been reskinned. Let's just get a look at this again. Obviously, this doesn't look anything like the Android that you guys... Oh my God. You're shutting down again. They put this button in the worst place. Okay, I don't like that part. But, you don't like that part, but you like the fact that this doesn't look like Android. Yes. I mean, I like the fact that they are taking Android and they're trying to do something really different with it, right? I always got the impression that you weren't crazy about skinning. But I want to bring out a couple of different tablets and devices here, and get your opinion on what you think of the skins for these phones. So here's one. This is HTC Sense. Right. You want to go ahead and... Yeah. What's your opinion on this one? Yeah, these guys, you know, they've got that 3D bling going on. We talk about sexy moments when we're designing software. We always kind of make fun of, you know, where's the sex appeal? Is this a sexy moment for you right now? Not for me personally. You like that? Huh? But these guys... This is a sexy moment. These guys are paying attention, and they're trying to do something, you know, a little blingy. So you like this? I think it's great that they're doing this. What score would you give this? I'm not going to give it a... No? You don't score design. What are you talking about? You don't? No. I guess you've never read The Verge. How about this one? Hotly contested. TouchWiz. Seems somewhat reminiscent of other phone OSes. What do you make of TouchWiz? Oh, look at that. Now, what I like about TouchWiz was the tablet version where you can drag up and get your favorite apps there. Do you feel that this is... You know, Apple and Samsung are in heated battles right now. You know about this. Do you feel like it's... Is it derivative of... Objection. Overruled. I'm sorry. You can't talk about it? You actually will lose your job if you talk about it. What are you talking about? So then you do think it's derivative. Interesting. You guys heard it here first. So this is a really crazy one. This is the Grid 10. This is made by Fusion Garage. I got it just signed to unlock here. That work? Have you ever used this before? I haven't. I haven't. We just got one of these, but I haven't actually had a chance to try it. What do you think of this? I think it's really cool that they're doing something totally different. I mean, Amazon went one way, but it still has a metaphor that people recognize. These guys are really taking risks with this. Is it possible that you like the ones that are really crazy because they look less like the stuff that you do? No, I don't think it's that. I think if nobody's willing to take risks, then everything will be derivative. That's a good place to end it, I think. Mathias, thank you so much for coming. Really appreciate it. My pleasure.
 So we talked about the Kindle Fire, we were just talking about it, but you and I discussed it before it came out,
 and you said you liked the Fire because it had a really different skin, and you liked the fact that it had been reskinned.
 Let's just get a look at this again. Obviously, this doesn't look anything like the Android that you guys...
 Oh my God.
 You're shutting down again.
 They put this button in the worst place.
 Okay, I don't like that part.
 But, you don't like that part, but you like the fact that this doesn't look like Android.
 Yes.
 I mean, I like the fact that they are taking Android and they're trying to do something really different with it, right?
 I always got the impression that you weren't crazy about skinning.
 But I want to bring out a couple of different tablets and devices here,
 and get your opinion on what you think of the skins for these phones.
 So here's one. This is HTC Sense.
 Right.
 You want to go ahead and...
 Yeah.
 What's your opinion on this one?
 Yeah, these guys, you know, they've got that 3D bling going on.
 We talk about sexy moments when we're designing software. We always kind of make fun of, you know, where's the sex appeal?
 Is this a sexy moment for you right now?
 Not for me personally.
 You like that? Huh?
 But these guys...
 This is a sexy moment.
 These guys are paying attention, and they're trying to do something, you know, a little blingy.
 So you like this?
 I think it's great that they're doing this.
 What score would you give this?
 I'm not going to give it a...
 No?
 You don't score design. What are you talking about?
 You don't?
 No.
 I guess you've never read The Verge.
 How about this one? Hotly contested. TouchWiz.
 Seems somewhat reminiscent of other phone OSes.
 What do you make of TouchWiz?
 Oh, look at that.
 Now, what I like about TouchWiz was the tablet version where you can drag up and get your favorite apps there.
 Do you feel that this is... You know, Apple and Samsung are in heated battles right now.
 You know about this.
 Do you feel like it's... Is it derivative of...
 Objection.
 Overruled.
 I'm sorry.
 You can't talk about it?
 You actually will lose your job if you talk about it.
 What are you talking about?
 So then you do think it's derivative. Interesting.
 You guys heard it here first.
 So this is a really crazy one. This is the Grid 10.
 This is made by Fusion Garage.
 I got it just signed to unlock here.
 That work?
 Have you ever used this before?
 I haven't. I haven't.
 We just got one of these, but I haven't actually had a chance to try it.
 What do you think of this?
 I think it's really cool that they're doing something totally different.
 I mean, Amazon went one way, but it still has a metaphor that people recognize.
 These guys are really taking risks with this.
 Is it possible that you like the ones that are really crazy because they look less like the stuff that you do?
 No, I don't think it's that.
 I think if nobody's willing to take risks, then everything will be derivative.
 That's a good place to end it, I think.
 Mathias, thank you so much for coming.
 Really appreciate it.
 My pleasure.