 Where is Apple now? Because I think this is the question that everybody's asking. You can't deny that Jobs was this huge driving force. He wasn't just a salesman, he wasn't just a showman. He was intimately involved in the creation of those products. The question I get from a lot of people is, is their design going to go to crap now? Or is it going to start slowly going to crap? And I don't think that's going to be the problem for Apple. You mean like industrial design? Well, across the board. UI design, industrial design is the package for the next iPhone not going to be as nice. I don't think you have to worry about any of those things. I think that's the least, to me that's the thing I would imagine is the least likely to happen. Because they have designers in place. And he wasn't even a designer really. He was like a director of designers. He was like a dreamer. His job was basically to dream up stuff. I mean really. And if anything I actually think their design might even get better without him. In so far as that there's no longer one guy, him, who when he's wrong can insist on having his way. Do you think we'll see less or more stitch leather? I think we'll see less. Less stitch leather? I don't think, you know, people laugh but I think that that's Steve Jobs.
 Where is Apple now? Because I think this is the question that everybody's asking.
 You can't deny that Jobs was this huge driving force.
 He wasn't just a salesman, he wasn't just a showman.
 He was intimately involved in the creation of those products.
 The question I get from a lot of people is, is their design going to go to crap now?
 Or is it going to start slowly going to crap?
 And I don't think that's going to be the problem for Apple.
 You mean like industrial design?
 Well, across the board. UI design, industrial design is the package for the next iPhone not going to be as nice.
 I don't think you have to worry about any of those things.
 I think that's the least, to me that's the thing I would imagine is the least likely to happen.
 Because they have designers in place.
 And he wasn't even a designer really. He was like a director of designers.
 He was like a dreamer. His job was basically to dream up stuff. I mean really.
 And if anything I actually think their design might even get better without him.
 In so far as that there's no longer one guy, him, who when he's wrong can insist on having his way.
 Do you think we'll see less or more stitch leather?
 I think we'll see less.
 Less stitch leather?
 I don't think, you know, people laugh but I think that that's Steve Jobs.