 Oh, yeah. Welcome to the verge live. Cs 2014. The post Samsung post Samsung wrap up. I'm Josh to Polsky. I'm Ross Ross. Ross Miller is here. And I'm I'm sorry. I just know it's happening. I'm still thinking about we're still recoiling really from thing that just happened. A moment that will the will all never forget live in infamy. Yeah, in infamy. Michael Bay had a meltdown on stage during his he had a little appearance at the Samsung event. He apparently the teleprompter was broken. He had no idea what he was actually supposed to talk about. And instead of winging it, which he said he would do. He just bailed. That was that was winging it extremely uncomfortable. As you know, Michael Bay is a minimalist. That was as little as he wanted to do. Yeah, sorry. I don't want to block my That's fine. What is happening? Okay. Oh, yeah, that's not important. What is important is Michael Bay. Yes. We hope he's okay. But we wish him well. Very uncomfortable. Why don't we just watch it? Let's just watch it. We watch it. Let's just take a look at the clip. If you haven't seen it. Here's Michael Bay. Having a very uncomfortable time on stage of Samsung and just bailing. Yeah. Take a look. Michael Bay. Good afternoon. Good afternoon, Michael. How is everyone today? My job as a director is I get to dream for a living. Michael, you know, you're known for such unbelievable action. What inspires you? How do you come up with these unbelievable ideas? I create visual worlds that are so beyond everyone's normal life experiences. And Hollywood is a place that creates a viewer escape. And what I try to do is I as a director, I try to the type is all off. Sorry, but I'll just wing this. Tell us what you think. Yeah, we will just we'll wing it right now. I take I try to take people on an emotional ride. And the curve. How does it how do you think it's going to impact how viewers experience your movies? Excuse me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. Oh, God. Oh, I mean, part of me is laughing. I'm like, I feel awkward. Part of you is dying inside. I feel I feel kind of bad. I get I get it sucks. Like his teleprompter failed. Right. And that's not a great experience. I mean, he would have had to basically just ad lib. And he may be very nervous on stage. Some people are not you know, the director is behind the camera. He's not a guy's although he has done commercials and stuff. But even like it's not improvisational. He's there's a script. He's planned everything in advance. I mean, it just it just you know, it just is. It's so delicious. How bad how bad it seems it's tabloid in the little tabloid. But it's just my understanding is Michael Bay is a pretty intense dude, pretty temperamental dude. And so this may have only been a small, a real small taste of what he's like. He walked away before we actually saw the full blown. Yeah, you gotta hand it to him. He he at least just just bailed. Right. What's happening? Is something running into this tent? I don't. Okay, good. Anyhow, but but so that weirdly became the news. Talk about that. We were not planning on talking about Michael Bay. But then what happened is he did something amazing during the Samsung event. There's actually news since I had real news. Right. That wasn't just a famous director. There's been a lot of stuff that's happened. We did a show this morning right after LG. Yeah, we've done that since then. There's been Panasonic. You were not on that show. I was not on that. Dieter was on that show. That was Dieter. Yeah. I know we look much. Well, he's more blonde. He's way more blonde. He's got a blonde. Way more attractive. Blond style. A little more consistent. A little more consistent. That's right. Yeah. Blonde beard, though. Blonde beard. It's always weird. But yeah, so we did an LG after show and and then we were like, hey, we'll do the Samsung after show. Little did we know we'd get this extra treat of weird stuff happening on stage. But so they introduced actual products. Let's talk about some of the products. A bendable prototype, 105 inch. That was a 105 inch Ultra HD television, which Ultra HD, I guess, is their branding for 4K. I mean, there's some debate about what Ultra HD. I'm getting very confused about this. We've seen what I think Visio, Panasonic. They're all saying Ultra HD. Yeah. Yeah. Is this the same Ultra HD everywhere? Same 4K? I don't I don't I'm not sure that we know the answer to that. I think there's some debate about whether Ultra HD is a single resolution or a set of resolutions. Anyhow, they introduced this Ultra HD bendable display. This is a display that goes from curved to flat. Yeah, so let's be clear. So the 105 inch is a real TV. That's going to come out. That's a 5120 by 2160 resolution, just like the LG one. Right. 85 inch prototype. Oh, it's an 85 inch. That's right. 105 inches are real TV, which is just is curved. It's not curved. It's curved. That one's curved. That would be on sale. It just stays curved. It stays curved. That's 105 inch. That's 105 inch Ultra HD. Then they showed a prototype of an 85 inch, which goes from curved to flat to flat. Yes. And nobody knows why. No one knows why you want curved in the first place. If Michael Bay hadn't gotten off stage, we would fucking know why the TV can go from curved to flat. I mean, he didn't know. It was going to be revealed on his teleprompter. And now we'll never know. We will never know why the TV moves. What if he comes back? What if he's like, all right, guys, I'm cool. No, it's over. It happened. What if Michael Bay, by the way, he's close enough that he could just roll in here right now and flip this table and then rip our faces off. You really think he's going to rip faces? You were saying this earlier, too. I think that if Michael Bay attacked you, he would first rip the flesh off of your face. It's a face off. And then he'd punch a hole through the skull. Okay. And then you'd be dead. Wait, did he do face off? No, he didn't do face off. Is that a John Woo movie? That might be John Woo. Is face off John Woo? Did I just invent that? That's definitely John Woo. Because there's a scene with doves in it. It's John Woo. Right, the white doves. The white doves. That's a classic John Woo move. Anyhow, but getting back to Samsung's CS announcements. So we had that. So there's these new TVs, Galaxy Tab Pro and Note Pro tablets. And you've got the Note 3 here. And you were talking about how much you love... No, I wasn't talking about that. I have a Note 3 here that I'm messing around with. And I'm blown away. It's been a while since I've used a Samsung stock, not stock Android, but like a Samsung Android phone. I spent an hour disabling applications on this. And it still has like all kinds of things that are super annoying. Yeah. Like their interface stuff is completely out of control. I don't know who's doing their design. I don't know who's responsible for what's happening on this phone. But it just is really, really depressing. Listen, the phone is good. Some of the stuff on here is really interesting. It's just like you have to get through a thicket, if you will, a forest of a tangled web of weird UI tweaks and customization that seems completely arbitrary and just meaningless. Here's a random one. You can't put widgets on your lock screen if you use a pin or a swipe motion. If you lock your phone in any secure way, you can't have any widgets on your lock screen because you can't decide that's weird because every other Android phone lets you have them on the lock screen. Like that's not a Google thing. Android things like or sorry, that's not a Google thing. It's not an Android thing. Samsung thinks there's a security issue, which is weird because all I want to look at the web. I feel like Samsung assumes their users are so stupid that they're immediately going to do something awful with the phone. Well, they do have what simple mode, which is actually great. I think I'm not a bunch of security stuff on here anyhow. But this is a we're talking about the note three. But they introduce these new tablets. There's a 12.2 inch. Right. Is that the tab pro? No, that's the note. There's two. The tab pro has a 10.4 inch and a 12.2 inch version. Oh, there's OK. I'm very confused. Oh, no, sorry. 10.1 inch. That's right. Gats tab pro has an 8.4 inch, 10.1 inch, 12.2 inch. Yeah, we hear some video. Note pro next to it. I feel like I don't know. Call me crazy, but I feel like the lawsuit has had little impact on the design of Samsung. Products, I guess, do they have hardware issues? Do they get they get slapped for the hardware? I can't remember exactly what exactly the attack was. I don't remember either anymore. But at any rate, so they got new big tablets. 12, 12.2. Yes. 10.4. Can you tell, by the way, that we're already feeling the burn? So I'm getting sick. I'm losing my voice. I'm extremely ill. And like little by little, we have a writer who's already down. Like we've got one man down. Yes. Michael Bade. In that he pees. But we think he has a flu. Yeah. So he's quarantined. We hope you're OK. Anyway, the big thing here is 4-Pane multitasking, which is basically saying this version of Android is getting closer to desktop. You can now do way more at the same time. Some new UI stuff on it. Right. Obviously, pen input. Actually, this UI, the stuff they're showing off here is definitely some of the more handsome work that Samsung has done. Oh, yeah. When it comes to their when it comes to their mobile products, because there's a lot of bad stuff. But this actually looks really nice. I can't say what it's like to use because I haven't used them. But, you know, not a huge announcement. But there are going to be certain people who are very excited about this. Definitely like puts it I mean, when you think about a 12.2 inch tablet in a 16 nine aspect ratio. Right. Is there are these 16, 10 or 16, 9? I think there's 16, 10. It's a little doesn't look narrow enough to be. Yeah. Am I crazy? Wait, 16, 10. 16, 10 is the narrow. Yeah. All right. Doesn't look narrow enough to 16, 10. Just get me out of here. Just airlift me back to a normal place. The thing that like these Pro models use and I think the ASUS is another example that is this diverge. I remember when Windows 8 first came out and they're showing we're trying to figure out this tablet keyboard hybrid. Yeah. With the Tab Pro, the Note Pro, they're offering Bluetooth keyboard and mouse for accessories. They really do think this is that be all computer. I think it's why they're right. This is multi-paying. Yeah. Yeah. No, they're definitely trying to turn Android on tablets into basically a laptop replacement. Right. Yeah. And in some ways, I mean, with what they're doing, it can be. We were saying, I think last night we were talking about, I can't remember now because I'm so tired. Talking about the idea of a Chromebook. You realize the show floor has not opened yet. No, I know. That's the crazy part is that the official CES has not started yet. But we were talking about the idea of having a Chromebook with Android apps, windowed Android apps. I mean, this is, it's pure Android, but you can see how if you dock this with a keyboard, its utility goes way up. Not just keyboard, but they're selling a Bluetooth mouse with this too. And what are the price points on these? Did they announce? Let me see. We don't have price points. No. I assume some of these are going to be carrier deals. Probably. I'm sure they'll be selling. LG, LT, sorry. They do have LT. Well, they're going to have both. Right. All right. What else did they announce? I can't stop thinking about Michael Bay, so it's hard to concentrate. Yeah. And I am losing my voice. Well, same thing we saw with LG and we're seeing with other companies. Like they did their 4K streaming stuff. The partner here is Amazon. Reed Hastings came on for LG. Yeah. But Netflix 4K seems also on Samsung. They're getting, was it Technicolor and Go? We'll stream 4K movies. Amazon's going to be a 4K streaming partner for here. Yeah. I mean, Samsung's obviously just pulling out all the stops to bring that content. And I get it because the cable companies haven't announced any 4K options right now. It's going to be internet streaming. Yeah, it's going to be internet streaming, but I don't see how they're going to be able to do this except to the people with just the most ridiculous bandwidth. Right. I mean, offices with big fat pipes. Like I don't know- Kansas City. To a consumer, yeah, maybe in Kansas City, but to an average consumer, I don't know where they're going to get the bandwidth required to stream any of this content. I mean, it's aspirational. It's almost like they're, well, they're future-proofing essentially. Because like, no one is buying an 105 inch curved TV to run 4K streaming. Well, I mean, there are other 4K options. There are. Still, the point is, I mean, this would be exclusive to Samsung. Okay. So there's a huge truck outside right now. We really got to get thicker walls next year. I mean, I thought we had hard walls this year. I really felt good about it. I have a hard time calling the walls in the first place. It's cloth. Yeah. It's a little bit of cloth. Yeah, a little bit. It's always been the chicken and the egg thing because no one's going to buy a 4K television unless there's 4K content. Even the new consoles aren't 4K out of the box. Right. I mean, I just feel like we're so far away from 4K being a thing. Right. I think we're at least five years away from any kind of even beginning adoption. I mean, adoption of 4K. Right. I mean, I think we're five years away from the first consumer spending money on 4K TVs. Well, how long was 1080p here before it became a thing? I mean, HD existed forever in Europe and Asia before it came to America, which actually is a great example of how long the stuff can hang around in other places, even in other places, before it gets to our shores. But beyond that, we've got bandwidth issues to contend with, delivery issues to contend with, and the fact that almost everybody's going out right now and buying brand new 1080p televisions. Right. So, we're right now in this golden age of television. TVs have become wildly affordable in the last, I'd say, 10 years. Right. The kind of price drops we've seen for really high quality televisions is a little bit insane. So, we've seen this decrease in cost of TVs. We've seen this increase in quality of the stuff you watch on your TVs, better delivery for things like movies. We've seen rentals and purchases faster because of streaming. So, everybody's kind of like, yeah, TV is a thing. So, they're out there buying Roku, they're buying Apple TV, they're buying consoles that will play nice as a home entertainment. Okay, that's a bad pun, but I'm totally unintentional. They'll play nice as a home entertainment option, and then you're going to go like, hey, oh, guess what? There's another thing. It's even better than this. I just don't think the consumer is nearly ready for that. Not here. I mean, not when we've only had like 10 years of HD. I don't even know if it's been 10 years. I mean, listen, five years ago, go back to the game console thing. Five years ago, we were just figuring out Blu-ray, HD DVD. We didn't know what a non-480p movie would look like. Yeah, no, it's crazy. I mean, remember the Wii? Didn't do HD. It was a 480 console, and that was like the most popular console in America. I mean, it might still be the largest selling. It's up there with a PlayStation 2. It's really close. People are still jamming on their Wiis. That doesn't sound right. Just going to wing it. But at any rate, so... Are you okay? So I just think the 4K push is real exciting. You can roll it out at CES and be like, hey, look at this new thing we have. But in reality, you're selling vaporware. But also reality in the US. I think we were talking about US content partners, and I'm very curious, international. LG and Samsung, both Korean companies. And broadband Korea is a much different story. I think you'll see it happen in Korea much sooner. You still have to have the content. You have to have the cameras. Every TV studio has to have the cameras. If you're going to do a soap opera in 4K, you need a room full of cameras. If you're going to do a newscast in 4K, you need a room full of cameras. If you're going to shoot a drama, you need... I mean, I guess you can shoot... There are 4K devices out there, but most people aren't using them. As an example, I know for a fact that a lot of networks shoot at 720. So if we're still shooting at 720, and we're talking about trying to go to 4K, I mean, people aren't even doing full HD. But again, this is aspirational technology. It depends on how far out are we talking about. Well, we're talking five to 10 years. This is the year Paul Allen buys 4K. Next year, maybe the CEO of Qualcomm will get one. Who is... Year after, we'll start working our way down the executive chain. Who is... Yeah, who's the customer? You think it's like a Paul Allen. It's Paul Allen, Mark Cuban. What are they watching on it? There's no content. I don't know. But they're not broadcasting Mavs games in 4K. Mark Cuban might have his own 4K camera set up somewhere in the state, like in the arena. I guess that's possible, but I highly doubt it. By the way, I'm sorry, we're going to go back to that for a second. He wore sweatpants and dress shoes. Like, we completely forgot about this on stage. Samsung had a lot of like... A lot of weird stuff. Celebrity gaffes happening. I'm sure they expected like some kind of chatter. I mean, Mark Cuban though, he just kind of does what he wants all the time. Doesn't give a shit. Right? Or, sorry. No, it's okay. I've already sworn. I've completely like thrown all sense of propriety to the wind here. Right. I dropped an F bomb in the Michael Bay post. You know what? It's time to grow up people. We're not children. Time to swear for no reason. Because children don't do that. Thomas Rigger has been yelling at me in the trailer that he says that I insert swear words where they don't need to exist. And I disagree. You disa-fucking-gree. Come on now. All right. So what else did Samsung announce? Moving along after my 4K rant. I do think the 4K stuff is annoying. I think it's annoying the way the 3D was annoying. It's like, you got to have it. You need it. You want it. It's like, no, actually people don't need it or want it. You just need to show something off. I just feel like, isn't there a better way to focus your energy? Is there something more interesting you could do than try to sell a new television or a bigger television or a curved television? In my opinion, curved is the biggest scam of all time. It's like a gimmick that's worse than 3D and worse than 4K. I'm not going to say 4K is a gimmick because it's a resolution bump. Fair enough. In 3D, there are people who enjoy that feeling. Curved, I don't get. Because if you're straight ahead, curved makes sense. If you are five feet to the right, five feet to the left, what the hell are you looking at? Curved doesn't even make sense if you're straight ahead. No, I mean, it's not like it's wrapping around you. No, it's marketing foiled by geometry. Simple math. What the hell are you thinking? My guess is that the argument will be you can have an IMAX experience in your home. But the problem is an IMAX screen is gigantic. It's really, really big. It actually does kind of wrap around you. Yes. Whereas 105 TV, even if it's really, I mean, that is very large, you're still going to be sitting like 12 feet away from it or something. Yeah. And the thought is like, I remember when we were looking at the Oculus Rift last year, like they were doing the curved a little bit, just to say like, this is your peripheral vision. We're going to cover it up. I don't think people are shooting for curved. I don't think they're shooting to say this is your peripheral vision. Just think about that. No. It demands. And I don't see any cameras ever doing that. It demands a kind of buying that nobody's going to provide. Right. And there's no ecosystem for it. 4K I get, we're building ecosystem, three-day they tried. 4K makes sense because it's a natural evolution. Right. Resolution goes up. That's a real thing. You know, CPUs get faster, screens get higher resolution. Like those are things that make sense and are real and that we actually have found utility in and use for, right? Right. We know that like adding memory, making faster chips, adding screen resolution, like that has positive benefits that people really respond to. Right. What we don't know is, you know, will they respond to insane gimmicks like your TV is curved and they won't. What's going to happen is it's going to be like 3D and next year they'll have some other thing like we made triangle display. Well, to be fair, 3D lasted a long time. It got close. I mean, yeah. This year Visio said they basically announced like 3D is dead. Yes. They said we're not, they said we're not making any more 3D television. But 4K is the thing. 4K I can, I can, I can understand the argument even if I don't fully agree that it's going to happen really soon. I get that 4K is a thing that will happen. I believe that 4K will someday in the, in the distant future replace 1080. But we're a decade away from that. We're a decade away. So here's the thing. People will buy them sooner than that, but we're a decade away from it replacing what exists. We're like being, like possibly affordable, even like a Black Friday. Of course, imagine the internet in a decade. Imagine the web in a decade. Imagine streaming services in a decade. Can you even fathom? Think about the dial-up in the era. Like we could not have even made, like imagine an HD video back then streaming. Assuming that humanity exists in 10 years, of course. I mean, we're probably all going to get wiped out by a dirty bomb or something. Or a drone. Or a drone. Or a drone we've seen at the show. Or a drone with, carrying a dirty bomb. Yeah. But if that doesn't happen, in a decade we'll probably be watching 4K television. And we'll be angry about these 8K triangles. Like enough with the 8K. But that's, see that's the annoying thing. Back in my day, we were fine with 1080p. I'm excited about technology. I love technology. What I don't like is technology for the sake of, new technology for the sake of saying it's new. And I do feel like there is something to the 4K push that's like, I know you want us to want it, but we don't really need it. It looks great. I mean, but my TV looks amazing. This is the pixel density argument. At some point, the screen size you have. You're far enough away from the screen that pixels don't matter. We don't have consoles that can do 4K gaming in any level of detail or quality. But this is definitely a get off my lawn kind of argument right now. Because in a couple years. It's not. It's get on my lawn. It's get on your lawn. It's something I want. Okay, anyhow. The other thing I want to talk about for Samsung, and this is early on, pre-bay. Pre-bay. This is a. It's a new service where you buy and sell clips of Michael Bay melted down. This is President and CEO B.K. Yoon. This is where we're talking about the smart home stuff, which is interesting. Imagine taking a call from your refrigerator without picking up your smartphone. I love it. Can you imagine? Just I'm like reaching for a beer in the fridge. My water dispenser says you have a phone call. Here's the amazing thing about mobile phones. They go into your pocket. You can carry them around anywhere. They're small. They're light. They slide right into. Well, I mean, not the Note, but you know, other ones are small. It's pretty light. But why would you want your refrigerator to receive a call? It's convenient. It's glanceable information. Oh, okay. I'm just playing double-zap kit for this one. Because what's convenient is that you happen to be standing in front of the refrigerator at the moment a call comes in. And you don't want to reach into your pocket because you have two bears in your hand. Yeah. And you have voice commands. Why not just put something that's. Why not just instead of having me replace my refrigerator with the one that takes calls. Why not just make a unit that sits in the kitchen that can take calls? Well, eventually all they can sell for like $100. Like all cars now come with like, you know, power steering. What if they could make like an earpiece you could wear in your ear and then when your phone would ring, even if you didn't have your phone in your pocket, you could answer a call using it. This is the Ray Kurzweil. We're going to inject phones into our. No, that's describing a Bluetooth earpiece. Well, we're getting there. But we're. I know, but I'm just saying like that would be more convenient than the refrigerator that picks up phone calls. This is also I sound like a Lodi right now, but like again, I'm all for refrigerator tech that's really useful. Like Samsung has refrigerated to make seltzer. Yes. That's a cool refrigerator. I want that. Remember, they also want you to have a Galaxy Gear smartwatch and say, I want seltzer. If you're wearing a smartwatch, what do you need the refrigerator for? I don't get it. Got two giant kegs. They're just dragging them around. I got these two liters. I got like the three liter. Remember the three liter bottles. They were like, look, we can make bigger. It's like I got my six liters of Coke right now. I just don't have my hands free to answer my. My watch is on the wrong. I can't do this because my Coke will pour my glasses. I don't have the smart glasses. Can't get up here. Yeah. That thing I'm chewing my mouth closed. I can't really voice act. No, but is there a command for answering the call on the refrigerator? I probably leave me alone. Oh, wait, no, that was OK. OK. Refrigerator. Yeah. OK. Refrigerator. Let's do this. OK. Refrigerator. Answer the call. I don't know. But I mean, there is an element and this speaks more broadly to this essay you wrote years ago. This is my next hour. The persistence idea where I want my chat persistence everywhere. The continuous client. This is too extreme of it. Well, the question about the continuous client idea is that first of it's great, but the idea is like, is your but you want your best client or any kind of like you want your experiences to follow you and be consistent. But your refrigerator is not a place where the experience has to live because it's a refrigerator has circuitry, has a connection. I understand that. But then why not just make units that go in the house that have those things? Because then you could put them in every room. Refrigerator is a five thousand dollar for their they're selling is probably a five thousand dollar investment. Right. You know, you don't need a five thousand dollar refrigerator to answer a call in your kitchen. Maybe you don't. I just bought a refrigerator. Let me tell you what. Does it have Internet? Does it? It is a connected refrigerator that knows when I'm hungry. OK, and it has it has a motorized arm that swings out and can snake through my house. It's like the Inspector Gadget. You just can snake through my house. Go go gadget. Yeah. And then it'll hand me food wherever I am in the home. How well does it make a sandwich? It makes amazing turkey sandwiches. I don't eat turkey sandwiches. That's the problem with it really, that I don't eat turkey and it keeps preparing turkey sandwiches. You would think it learns. I have an artificial intelligence. Which I find frankly a little annoying. So thanks a lot Samsung. You made a refrigerator with a robot arm that produces sandwiches and delivers them to me anywhere in the house. And yet the sandwiches are always wrong. You just have buyer's remorse. You wanted to wait for the voice command. So now you have to wait for the voice command. And it was twenty five thousand dollars. But I feel like it was worth it. You know, but seriously, all I'm saying is I just want us to make technology that makes sense. I'm asking for a little bit of sanity. I know that things are a little weird right now. I know that the weather patterns seem confusing. You know, there's there's, you know, body parts falling from the from the sky. You know, Michael Bay's walking off stage. You don't know if it's going to be OK next week or next month. But when we think about making new technology, I just would like us to say, hey, do we really need this? Is it cool or does it suck? Is this a waste of everybody's time or is it going to be awesome? And then if it's not awesome, I wouldn't make it. Clearly, you never owned a Tamagotchi. A Tamagotchi is the that's the animal, the that's the little guy you had to keep alive, right? Exactly. Completely worthless. But. Well, I mean, it was it was it was like it was like it was a candy crush. Right. Candy crushes and isn't anything you don't need. It's like, oh, candy. Candy crush is cool. It's a highly addictive mobile video game. Yes. I think that's great. That's wonderful. A talking fridge. A fridge that has skype. Terrible idea. Candy crush. People want to be distracted by games. They don't want to be distracted by taking a call in the refrigerator. They want you know what they want to do? They want to get the food out of the refrigerator. They want to put the food into their mouth. All this technology constantly makes us until they're morbidly obese. But this can't fit in and can't fit into the iRoad. We have all the technologies making us antisocial. This is a fridge that lets you talk to your friends. I can't believe you're even saying this to me with any kind of straight face. No, this is not a straight face. I know you're playing devil's advocate. I am very tired. I know you're playing devil's advocate right now. But I think you know the truth. I would never buy that. Here's the thing. I'm not saying that the fridge is not cool. Yeah. But I don't think you need to be able to. OK. Your children. We are belaboring this. Just say your children and your children's children are going to have talking fridges. I mean when you think about in 10 years what the kids who are born now, what they're going to be like and what they're going to know in 10 years, it's upsetting to me. What are your grandchildren going to bitch about on a hologram triangle AK set? They're going to bitch about their invisibility suit, you know, it's like malfunctioning in certain light. Their clothes filters. Their hovercraft is, is, doesn't reach light speed fast enough. What do you think your grandkids will be bitching about? Like you think I'll have grandkids. That's very, oh no, but uh. OK fine. I don't know. You asked me. I'm just asking you. I'm trying to be polite. I'm sorry if that's upsetting to you. It's very upsetting. Yeah. Well, let's pretend that you were going to have grandkids. Let's say they would. What, you know, you don't want to address the kid topic right now? Why not? Why don't you want to have grandkids? It's a funny story. I'd like to hear about it. I would like to hear about it too. We'll get to it. Let's go deep dive right now. Hypothetically, if you had grandkids, very uncomfortable, you're going to walk off like Michael Beck. I'm just trying to wing it here Josh. So you have grandkids. This is like what, in 30 years. Yes, 30, 40 years. What do you think they'll be bitching about? They'll be bitching about, you know. Will there be a CES in 30 years? There will be a CES. And your grandkids will be bitching about what? It'll be streamed to the brain. They'll be mad because they injected the new Samsung TouchWiz into their bloodstream. Oh God. Oh my God. And look, the problem is like. TouchWiz will take on a whole new meaning though, won't it? It's got a very new meaning. But like, one of their friends jailbroken. It's in your body. It really is. You really will be touching. Just to submit, our grandchildren will have a snow crash problem. I feel like snow crash will be, will seem quaint and outdated, but maybe you're right. Maybe. You're saying they're going to be, their brains are going to be getting crashed by a virtual reality. One of their friends was just being cool trying to jailbreak their bloodstream and then it just spread. Like it's the techno HIV. Oh hey, where's your friend Bobby? I haven't seen him around lately. And they're like, oh he bricked himself. Trying to jailbreak. Trying to unlock the baseband in TouchWiz, in bloodstream TouchWiz. In fairness, his fridge told him it was a good idea. Yeah, exactly. He's bricked himself. Let's move on. There was a couple things that happened before Samsung. I think Pebble we'll talk about later in the week too, but we should talk about that for a second. What else happened? There's Pebble Steel. Oh yeah, Pebble Steel, which is the first smartwatch I could, might actually consider buying. Right. Everybody in the trailer bought one. Already? Yeah, I came back. It was like, it was going on and I walked in. I was out for a minute and then I came back and everybody was like, yeah, I just bought three Pebbles, new Pebbles. Jesus. I don't know. I mean, it's like, why not wait, check it out. We're going to get a review unit probably. Let's see what the review says. You think that, you think that we know better. Well, who do you think? Wait for the review. Everyone, I mean, Christ, I'm using a Pebble right now. You are. I like it. You kind of sound like a spokesperson at this point. This Pebble is amazing. You're wearing the Pebble. You're wearing the Pebble. Let me tell you all about it, Josh. No, it's a, but like we want the glanced full information. We're tired of being the assholes that like pull phones out at the dinner table. We want to be assholes who look at our wrist at the dinner table. But is this better than doing this? I mean, I don't see a huge, this is great for- It's the I can hold my finger crawler. It's great for a little bit of information, but I just feel like, I don't know. No, it's still looking down. It's a convenience factor. I mean, when you check your watch, when you're with somebody and you check your watch, the first thing they think is like, do I need to wrap things up? Like if we were talking right now, just start talking about something. Okay. So the other day I was talking to my friend. I mean, what is that? How does that make you feel? Makes you feel like I need you to finish, cause I have to go do something more important. It does. Yes. Yeah. So how is it better to do that while you're talking to somebody than to do this? I think we're going to get to a point where- This almost is like, we know like, okay, he's checking his phone. He might get back to this conversation. I mean, yes and no. I'm like Andy Rooney now. Let's not forget though, like at some point these are going to be where you get notifications. I'm going to be looking right at you. I'm not here to like wave at people. Right. But the future is you're going to be talking to me and I'm going to be staring right at you and I'm just checking your email. Well, I'm checking email. Are you checking your email? Yeah. This is playing. Well, like Google Glass. Archiving. That's what you're describing. Yeah. Are you just winking at me for sex reasons? It's a Snapchat. That's what people are going to say in the future. They're going to say, are you winking at me to take a picture or are you telling me you want to have sex with me? Yeah. So this will be the like the more tasteful one. Like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm seriously just looking at my phone. You're not saying I want to have sex with you by the way. These are not creep shots. Seriously, just checking my email. Yeah. All right. So is there anything else about Samsung you need to talk about? No, no. That was way, way off. I think we're going. ASUS had one interesting internet of things. Oh, yeah. The other thing I mentioned, Samsung said it's the internet of things. Last year when Qualcomm did their keynote, they said it was the internet. It was the internet of things. It was the mobile generation. Yeah. Internet of things. But they said they had another term for it. It was like not generation mobile. It was like, no, but it was like not the internet of things, but it was like the internet of stuff or the network of things. It was some variation. Was it of everything? Internet of everything? The internet of everything. That's what it was. Yeah. It's like some minor variation that means exactly the same thing. Anyhow, go ahead. So Samsung now said this is the year. 2014 is the year of the internet of things. Right. Which is they say every year. But I think what's happening is like, let's stop trying to define the year that the thing, the internet of things happens and accept that the more things we make that can be connected, the more we're going to connect them. Right. And things are going to be connected. And it's not going to happen in a year. Like a year is going to be, this is the time when it happened. Unless Apple makes something. And then they'll have officially started the internet of things. Right. Apple's going to make like a cube that's just connected, but they don't tell you what it does. I do realize that. It's a black cube and they're like, this is connected in the home. And you're like, what is it doing? Where has this live show gone to? And that's it. You're in here first. So what is happening? We're having our own Michael Bay moment. We need to have a wrap up. I mean, I guess we're just going to wing it. We're just going to wing it. Okay. So we're going to skedaddle because that's what we do here. Yeah. But we do have a lot to go because like the actual nonsensical podcast that we do. The actual Vergecast after hours is going to happen later tonight at 6pm Pacific, 9pm East Coast. Right. And here's what's going to happen before that. Right. Sony is doing a press event. It's 5pm. It's always very... At 5pm we'll have that live on the site, live blog and stream. Yes. And then Valve. So Valve is also happening at 5. It's unfortunate timing. Yeah. So Valve and Sony are happening at exactly the same time. You're just going to pop up two browser windows locked to the Verge where we're going to be streaming both of them and live logging. Are we streaming Valve or no? We're streaming Sony. We only have one stream. Okay. We're streaming Sony but not Valve. Sorry Valve. But should be some interesting stuff. This is like, this is the year of... This is the coming out for the Steam Box. Yeah. Which is a different way of thinking about consoles that we've seen before. Right. Hopefully it does something. They call them Steam Machines though, right? Steam Machines. Steam Box is that colloquial. Steam Box is a better name but that's fine. I guess it's too much like Hot Box. You know, like for weed. Because you know, nobody at Valve smokes weed. We're just going to wing this goodbye. Yeah, we are winging it right now. So anyhow, so tune in to The Verge tonight. 5 o'clock Pacific for Valve and Sony. And then after that, when those wrap up, we will be back with The Verge Cast After Hours dissecting those events, the whole day's events, probably talking more about Michael Bay and definitely, definitely drinking. Absolutely. So get ready. So that's the show. We'll be back soon and thanks for tuning in. Thanks.
 Oh, yeah. Welcome to the verge live. Cs 2014. The post Samsung post Samsung wrap up. I'm
 Josh to Polsky. I'm Ross Ross. Ross Miller is here. And I'm I'm sorry. I just know it's
 happening. I'm still thinking about we're still recoiling really from thing that just happened. A
 moment that will the will all never forget live in infamy. Yeah, in infamy. Michael Bay had a
 meltdown on stage during his he had a little appearance at the Samsung event. He apparently
 the teleprompter was broken. He had no idea what he was actually supposed to talk about. And
 instead of winging it, which he said he would do. He just bailed. That was that was winging it
 extremely uncomfortable. As you know, Michael Bay is a minimalist. That was as little as he wanted
 to do. Yeah, sorry. I don't want to block my That's fine. What is happening? Okay. Oh, yeah,
 that's not important. What is important is Michael Bay. Yes. We hope he's okay. But we wish him well.
 Very uncomfortable. Why don't we just watch it? Let's just watch it. We watch it. Let's just take
 a look at the clip. If you haven't seen it. Here's Michael Bay. Having a very uncomfortable
 time on stage of Samsung and just bailing. Yeah. Take a look. Michael Bay. Good afternoon. Good afternoon, Michael. How is everyone today? My job as a director is I get to dream for a living.
 Michael, you know, you're known for such unbelievable action. What inspires you? How do you come up with
 these unbelievable ideas? I create visual worlds that are so beyond everyone's normal life experiences.
 And Hollywood is a place that creates a viewer escape. And what I try to do is I as a director,
 I try to the type is all off. Sorry, but I'll just wing this. Tell us what you think. Yeah,
 we will just we'll wing it right now. I take I try to take people on an emotional ride. And
 the curve. How does it how do you think it's going to impact how viewers experience your movies?
 Excuse me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay. Oh, God. Oh, I mean, part of me is laughing. I'm like, I feel
 awkward. Part of you is dying inside. I feel I feel kind of bad. I get I get it sucks. Like his
 teleprompter failed. Right. And that's not a great experience. I mean, he would have had to basically
 just ad lib. And he may be very nervous on stage. Some people are not you know, the director is
 behind the camera. He's not a guy's although he has done commercials and stuff. But even like it's
 not improvisational. He's there's a script. He's planned everything in advance. I mean, it just it
 just you know, it just is. It's so delicious. How bad how bad it seems it's tabloid in the
 little tabloid. But it's just my understanding is Michael Bay is a pretty intense dude, pretty
 temperamental dude. And so this may have only been a small, a real small taste of what he's like. He
 walked away before we actually saw the full blown. Yeah, you gotta hand it to him. He he at least
 just just bailed. Right. What's happening? Is something running into this tent? I don't. Okay,
 good. Anyhow, but but so that weirdly became the news. Talk about that. We were not planning on
 talking about Michael Bay. But then what happened is he did something amazing during the Samsung
 event. There's actually news since I had real news. Right. That wasn't just a famous director.
 There's been a lot of stuff that's happened. We did a show this morning right after LG. Yeah,
 we've done that since then. There's been Panasonic. You were not on that show. I was not on that.
 Dieter was on that show. That was Dieter. Yeah. I know we look much. Well, he's more blonde. He's
 way more blonde. He's got a blonde. Way more attractive. Blond style. A little more consistent.
 A little more consistent. That's right. Yeah. Blonde beard, though. Blonde beard. It's always weird.
 But yeah, so we did an LG after show and and then we were like, hey, we'll do the Samsung after show.
 Little did we know we'd get this extra treat of weird stuff happening on stage. But so they
 introduced actual products. Let's talk about some of the products. A bendable prototype, 105 inch.
 That was a 105 inch Ultra HD television, which Ultra HD, I guess, is their branding for 4K.
 I mean, there's some debate about what Ultra HD. I'm getting very confused about this. We've seen
 what I think Visio, Panasonic. They're all saying Ultra HD. Yeah. Yeah. Is this the same Ultra HD
 everywhere? Same 4K? I don't I don't I'm not sure that we know the answer to that. I think there's
 some debate about whether Ultra HD is a single resolution or a set of resolutions. Anyhow,
 they introduced this Ultra HD bendable display. This is a display that goes from curved to flat.
 Yeah, so let's be clear. So the 105 inch is a real TV. That's going to come out. That's a 5120 by 2160
 resolution, just like the LG one. Right. 85 inch prototype. Oh, it's an 85 inch. That's right. 105
 inches are real TV, which is just is curved. It's not curved. It's curved. That one's curved. That
 would be on sale. It just stays curved. It stays curved. That's 105 inch. That's 105 inch Ultra HD.
 Then they showed a prototype of an 85 inch, which goes from curved to flat to flat. Yes. And nobody
 knows why. No one knows why you want curved in the first place. If Michael Bay hadn't gotten off
 stage, we would fucking know why the TV can go from curved to flat. I mean, he didn't know.
 It was going to be revealed on his teleprompter. And now we'll never know. We will never know
 why the TV moves. What if he comes back? What if he's like, all right, guys, I'm cool. No,
 it's over. It happened. What if Michael Bay, by the way, he's close enough that he could just roll
 in here right now and flip this table and then rip our faces off. You really think he's going
 to rip faces? You were saying this earlier, too. I think that if Michael Bay attacked you,
 he would first rip the flesh off of your face. It's a face off. And then he'd punch a hole
 through the skull. Okay. And then you'd be dead. Wait, did he do face off? No, he didn't do face
 off. Is that a John Woo movie? That might be John Woo. Is face off John Woo? Did I just invent that?
 That's definitely John Woo. Because there's a scene with doves in it. It's John Woo. Right,
 the white doves. The white doves. That's a classic John Woo move. Anyhow, but getting back to Samsung's
 CS announcements. So we had that. So there's these new TVs, Galaxy Tab Pro and Note Pro tablets.
 And you've got the Note 3 here. And you were talking about how much you love...
 No, I wasn't talking about that. I have a Note 3 here that I'm messing around with. And I'm
 blown away. It's been a while since I've used a Samsung stock, not stock Android, but like a
 Samsung Android phone. I spent an hour disabling applications on this. And it still has like all
 kinds of things that are super annoying. Yeah. Like their interface stuff is completely out of
 control. I don't know who's doing their design. I don't know who's responsible for what's happening
 on this phone. But it just is really, really depressing. Listen, the phone is good. Some of
 the stuff on here is really interesting. It's just like you have to get through a thicket,
 if you will, a forest of a tangled web of weird UI tweaks and customization that seems completely
 arbitrary and just meaningless. Here's a random one. You can't put widgets on your lock screen
 if you use a pin or a swipe motion. If you lock your phone in any secure way, you can't have any
 widgets on your lock screen because you can't decide that's weird because every other Android
 phone lets you have them on the lock screen. Like that's not a Google thing. Android things like
 or sorry, that's not a Google thing. It's not an Android thing. Samsung thinks there's a security
 issue, which is weird because all I want to look at the web. I feel like Samsung assumes their
 users are so stupid that they're immediately going to do something awful with the phone.
 Well, they do have what simple mode, which is actually great. I think I'm not a bunch of
 security stuff on here anyhow. But this is a we're talking about the note three. But they
 introduce these new tablets. There's a 12.2 inch. Right. Is that the tab pro? No, that's the note.
 There's two. The tab pro has a 10.4 inch and a 12.2 inch version. Oh, there's OK. I'm very
 confused. Oh, no, sorry. 10.1 inch. That's right. Gats tab pro has an 8.4 inch, 10.1 inch, 12.2
 inch. Yeah, we hear some video. Note pro next to it. I feel like I don't know. Call me crazy,
 but I feel like the lawsuit has had little impact on the design of Samsung.
 Products, I guess, do they have hardware issues? Do they get they get slapped for the hardware?
 I can't remember exactly what exactly the attack was. I don't remember either anymore. But at any
 rate, so they got new big tablets. 12, 12.2. Yes. 10.4. Can you tell, by the way, that we're already
 feeling the burn? So I'm getting sick. I'm losing my voice. I'm extremely ill. And like little
 by little, we have a writer who's already down. Like we've got one man down. Yes. Michael Bade.
 In that he pees. But we think he has a flu. Yeah. So he's quarantined. We hope you're OK.
 Anyway, the big thing here is 4-Pane multitasking, which is basically saying this version of Android
 is getting closer to desktop. You can now do way more at the same time. Some new UI stuff on it.
 Right. Obviously, pen input. Actually, this UI, the stuff they're showing off here is definitely
 some of the more handsome work that Samsung has done. Oh, yeah. When it comes to their
 when it comes to their mobile products, because there's a lot of bad stuff. But this actually
 looks really nice. I can't say what it's like to use because I haven't used them. But, you know,
 not a huge announcement. But there are going to be certain people who are very excited about this.
 Definitely like puts it I mean, when you think about a 12.2 inch tablet in a 16 nine aspect ratio.
 Right. Is there are these 16, 10 or 16, 9? I think there's 16, 10. It's a little doesn't look
 narrow enough to be. Yeah. Am I crazy? Wait, 16, 10. 16, 10 is the narrow. Yeah. All right.
 Doesn't look narrow enough to 16, 10. Just get me out of here. Just airlift me back to a normal place.
 The thing that like these Pro models use and I think the ASUS is another example that is this
 diverge. I remember when Windows 8 first came out and they're showing we're trying to figure out this
 tablet keyboard hybrid. Yeah. With the Tab Pro, the Note Pro, they're offering Bluetooth keyboard
 and mouse for accessories. They really do think this is that be all computer. I think it's why
 they're right. This is multi-paying. Yeah. Yeah. No, they're definitely trying to turn Android on
 tablets into basically a laptop replacement. Right. Yeah. And in some ways, I mean, with what
 they're doing, it can be. We were saying, I think last night we were talking about, I can't remember
 now because I'm so tired. Talking about the idea of a Chromebook. You realize the show floor has not opened yet.
 No, I know. That's the crazy part is that the official CES has not started yet. But we were
 talking about the idea of having a Chromebook with Android apps, windowed Android apps.
 I mean, this is, it's pure Android, but you can see how if you dock this with a keyboard,
 its utility goes way up. Not just keyboard, but they're selling a Bluetooth mouse with this too.
 And what are the price points on these? Did they announce? Let me see. We don't have
 price points. No. I assume some of these are going to be carrier deals. Probably.
 I'm sure they'll be selling. LG, LT, sorry. They do have LT. Well, they're going to have both.
 Right. All right. What else did they announce? I can't stop thinking about Michael Bay, so it's hard to
 concentrate. Yeah. And I am losing my voice. Well, same thing we saw with LG and we're seeing with
 other companies. Like they did their 4K streaming stuff. The partner here is Amazon. Reed Hastings
 came on for LG. Yeah. But Netflix 4K seems also on Samsung. They're getting, was it Technicolor and Go?
 We'll stream 4K movies. Amazon's going to be a 4K streaming partner for here. Yeah. I mean,
 Samsung's obviously just pulling out all the stops to bring that content. And I get it because
 the cable companies haven't announced any 4K options right now. It's going to be internet
 streaming. Yeah, it's going to be internet streaming, but I don't see how they're going to be
 able to do this except to the people with just the most ridiculous bandwidth. Right. I mean, offices
 with big fat pipes. Like I don't know- Kansas City. To a consumer, yeah, maybe in Kansas City,
 but to an average consumer, I don't know where they're going to get the bandwidth required to
 stream any of this content. I mean, it's aspirational. It's almost like they're,
 well, they're future-proofing essentially. Because like, no one is buying an 105 inch curved TV
 to run 4K streaming. Well, I mean, there are other 4K options. There are. Still, the point is,
 I mean, this would be exclusive to Samsung. Okay. So there's a huge truck outside right now.
 We really got to get thicker walls next year. I mean, I thought we had hard walls this year. I
 really felt good about it. I have a hard time calling the walls in the first place. It's cloth.
 Yeah. It's a little bit of cloth. Yeah, a little bit. It's always been the chicken and the egg
 thing because no one's going to buy a 4K television unless there's 4K content. Even the new consoles
 aren't 4K out of the box. Right. I mean, I just feel like we're so far away from 4K being a thing.
 Right. I think we're at least five years away from any kind of even beginning adoption.
 I mean, adoption of 4K. Right. I mean, I think we're five years away from the first consumer
 spending money on 4K TVs. Well, how long was 1080p here before it became a thing? I mean,
 HD existed forever in Europe and Asia before it came to America, which actually is a great example
 of how long the stuff can hang around in other places, even in other places, before it gets to
 our shores. But beyond that, we've got bandwidth issues to contend with, delivery issues to contend
 with, and the fact that almost everybody's going out right now and buying brand new 1080p televisions.
 Right. So, we're right now in this golden age of television. TVs have become wildly affordable in
 the last, I'd say, 10 years. Right. The kind of price drops we've seen for really high quality
 televisions is a little bit insane. So, we've seen this decrease in cost of TVs. We've seen this
 increase in quality of the stuff you watch on your TVs, better delivery for things like movies.
 We've seen rentals and purchases faster because of streaming. So, everybody's kind of like,
 yeah, TV is a thing. So, they're out there buying Roku, they're buying Apple TV, they're buying
 consoles that will play nice as a home entertainment. Okay, that's a bad pun,
 but I'm totally unintentional. They'll play nice as a home entertainment option,
 and then you're going to go like, hey, oh, guess what? There's another thing. It's even better than
 this. I just don't think the consumer is nearly ready for that. Not here. I mean, not when we've
 only had like 10 years of HD. I don't even know if it's been 10 years. I mean, listen, five years
 ago, go back to the game console thing. Five years ago, we were just figuring out Blu-ray,
 HD DVD. We didn't know what a non-480p movie would look like. Yeah, no, it's crazy. I mean,
 remember the Wii? Didn't do HD. It was a 480 console, and that was like the most popular
 console in America. I mean, it might still be the largest selling. It's up there with a PlayStation
 2. It's really close. People are still jamming on their Wiis. That doesn't sound right. Just
 going to wing it. But at any rate, so... Are you okay? So I just think the 4K push is real exciting.
 You can roll it out at CES and be like, hey, look at this new thing we have. But in reality,
 you're selling vaporware. But also reality in the US. I think we were talking about US
 content partners, and I'm very curious, international. LG and Samsung, both Korean
 companies. And broadband Korea is a much different story. I think you'll see it happen in Korea
 much sooner. You still have to have the content. You have to have the cameras.
 Every TV studio has to have the cameras. If you're going to do a soap opera in 4K, you need
 a room full of cameras. If you're going to do a newscast in 4K, you need a room full of cameras.
 If you're going to shoot a drama, you need... I mean, I guess you can shoot... There are 4K devices
 out there, but most people aren't using them. As an example, I know for a fact that a lot of
 networks shoot at 720. So if we're still shooting at 720, and we're talking about trying to go to
 4K, I mean, people aren't even doing full HD. But again, this is aspirational technology.
 It depends on how far out are we talking about. Well, we're talking five to 10 years.
 This is the year Paul Allen buys 4K. Next year, maybe the CEO of Qualcomm will get one.
 Who is... Year after, we'll start working our way down the executive chain. Who is...
 Yeah, who's the customer? You think it's like a Paul Allen. It's Paul Allen, Mark Cuban. What
 are they watching on it? There's no content. I don't know. But they're not broadcasting
 Mavs games in 4K. Mark Cuban might have his own 4K camera set up somewhere in the state,
 like in the arena. I guess that's possible, but I highly doubt it. By the way, I'm sorry,
 we're going to go back to that for a second. He wore sweatpants and dress shoes. Like,
 we completely forgot about this on stage. Samsung had a lot of like... A lot of weird stuff.
 Celebrity gaffes happening. I'm sure they expected like some kind of chatter. I mean,
 Mark Cuban though, he just kind of does what he wants all the time. Doesn't give a shit.
 Right? Or, sorry. No, it's okay. I've already sworn. I've completely like thrown all sense
 of propriety to the wind here. Right. I dropped an F bomb in the Michael Bay post. You know what?
 It's time to grow up people. We're not children. Time to swear for no reason.
 Because children don't do that. Thomas Rigger has been yelling at me in the trailer that he says
 that I insert swear words where they don't need to exist. And I disagree. You disa-fucking-gree.
 Come on now. All right. So what else did Samsung announce?
 Moving along after my 4K rant. I do think the 4K stuff is annoying. I think it's annoying the way
 the 3D was annoying. It's like, you got to have it. You need it. You want it. It's like, no,
 actually people don't need it or want it. You just need to show something off. I just feel like,
 isn't there a better way to focus your energy? Is there something more interesting you could do than
 try to sell a new television or a bigger television or a curved television? In my opinion, curved is
 the biggest scam of all time. It's like a gimmick that's worse than 3D and worse than 4K. I'm not
 going to say 4K is a gimmick because it's a resolution bump. Fair enough. In 3D, there are
 people who enjoy that feeling. Curved, I don't get. Because if you're straight ahead, curved makes
 sense. If you are five feet to the right, five feet to the left, what the hell are you looking at?
 Curved doesn't even make sense if you're straight ahead. No, I mean, it's not like it's wrapping
 around you. No, it's marketing foiled by geometry. Simple math. What the hell are you thinking?
 My guess is that the argument will be you can have an IMAX experience in your home. But the problem
 is an IMAX screen is gigantic. It's really, really big. It actually does kind of wrap around you.
 Yes. Whereas 105 TV, even if it's really, I mean, that is very large, you're still going to be
 sitting like 12 feet away from it or something. Yeah. And the thought is like, I remember when
 we were looking at the Oculus Rift last year, like they were doing the curved a little bit,
 just to say like, this is your peripheral vision. We're going to cover it up. I don't think people
 are shooting for curved. I don't think they're shooting to say this is your peripheral vision.
 Just think about that. No. It demands. And I don't see any cameras ever doing that. It demands a
 kind of buying that nobody's going to provide. Right. And there's no ecosystem for it. 4K I
 get, we're building ecosystem, three-day they tried. 4K makes sense because it's a natural
 evolution. Right. Resolution goes up. That's a real thing. You know, CPUs get faster, screens get
 higher resolution. Like those are things that make sense and are real and that we actually have found
 utility in and use for, right? Right. We know that like adding memory, making faster chips,
 adding screen resolution, like that has positive benefits that people really respond to. Right.
 What we don't know is, you know, will they respond to insane gimmicks like your TV is curved and they
 won't. What's going to happen is it's going to be like 3D and next year they'll have some other
 thing like we made triangle display. Well, to be fair, 3D lasted a long time. It got close.
 I mean, yeah. This year Visio said they basically announced like 3D is dead. Yes. They said we're
 not, they said we're not making any more 3D television. But 4K is the thing. 4K I can, I can,
 I can understand the argument even if I don't fully agree that it's going to happen really soon.
 I get that 4K is a thing that will happen. I believe that 4K will someday in the,
 in the distant future replace 1080. But we're a decade away from that. We're a decade away.
 So here's the thing. People will buy them sooner than that, but we're a decade away from it
 replacing what exists. We're like being, like possibly affordable, even like a Black Friday.
 Of course, imagine the internet in a decade. Imagine the web in a decade. Imagine streaming
 services in a decade. Can you even fathom? Think about the dial-up in the era. Like we could not
 have even made, like imagine an HD video back then streaming. Assuming that humanity exists
 in 10 years, of course. I mean, we're probably all going to get wiped out by a dirty bomb or
 something. Or a drone. Or a drone. Or a drone we've seen at the show. Or a drone with, carrying a dirty
 bomb. Yeah. But if that doesn't happen, in a decade we'll probably be watching 4K television. And we'll
 be angry about these 8K triangles. Like enough with the 8K. But that's, see that's the annoying thing.
 Back in my day, we were fine with 1080p. I'm excited about technology. I love technology.
 What I don't like is technology for the sake of, new technology for the sake of saying it's new.
 And I do feel like there is something to the 4K push that's like, I know you want us to want it,
 but we don't really need it. It looks great. I mean, but my TV looks amazing. This is the
 pixel density argument. At some point, the screen size you have. You're far enough away from the
 screen that pixels don't matter. We don't have consoles that can do 4K gaming in any level of
 detail or quality. But this is definitely a get off my lawn kind of argument right now. Because
 in a couple years. It's not. It's get on my lawn. It's get on your lawn. It's something I want.
 Okay, anyhow. The other thing I want to talk about for Samsung, and this is early on, pre-bay.
 Pre-bay. This is a. It's a new service where you buy and sell clips of Michael Bay melted down.
 This is President and CEO B.K. Yoon. This is where we're talking about the smart home stuff,
 which is interesting. Imagine taking a call from your refrigerator without picking up your smartphone.
 I love it. Can you imagine?
 Just I'm like reaching for a beer in the fridge. My water dispenser says you have a phone call.
 Here's the amazing thing about mobile phones. They go into your pocket. You can carry them
 around anywhere. They're small. They're light. They slide right into. Well, I mean, not the Note,
 but you know, other ones are small. It's pretty light. But why would you want your refrigerator
 to receive a call? It's convenient. It's glanceable information. Oh, okay.
 I'm just playing double-zap kit for this one. Because what's convenient is that you happen
 to be standing in front of the refrigerator at the moment a call comes in. And you don't want
 to reach into your pocket because you have two bears in your hand. Yeah. And you have voice
 commands. Why not just put something that's. Why not just instead of having me replace my
 refrigerator with the one that takes calls. Why not just make a unit that sits in the kitchen
 that can take calls? Well, eventually all they can sell for like $100.
 Like all cars now come with like, you know, power steering. What if they could make like an earpiece
 you could wear in your ear and then when your phone would ring, even if you didn't have your
 phone in your pocket, you could answer a call using it. This is the Ray Kurzweil. We're going
 to inject phones into our. No, that's describing a Bluetooth earpiece. Well, we're getting there.
 But we're. I know, but I'm just saying like that would be more convenient than the refrigerator
 that picks up phone calls. This is also I sound like a Lodi right now, but like again, I'm all
 for refrigerator tech that's really useful. Like Samsung has refrigerated to make seltzer. Yes.
 That's a cool refrigerator. I want that. Remember, they also want you to have a Galaxy
 Gear smartwatch and say, I want seltzer. If you're wearing a smartwatch, what do you need
 the refrigerator for? I don't get it. Got two giant kegs. They're just dragging them around.
 I got these two liters. I got like the three liter. Remember the three liter bottles. They
 were like, look, we can make bigger. It's like I got my six liters of Coke right now.
 I just don't have my hands free to answer my. My watch is on the wrong. I can't do this because
 my Coke will pour my glasses. I don't have the smart glasses. Can't get up here. Yeah.
 That thing I'm chewing my mouth closed. I can't really voice act. No, but is there a command for
 answering the call on the refrigerator? I probably leave me alone. Oh, wait, no, that was OK. OK.
 Refrigerator. Yeah. OK. Refrigerator. Let's do this. OK. Refrigerator. Answer the call.
 I don't know. But I mean, there is an element and this speaks more broadly to this essay you wrote
 years ago. This is my next hour. The persistence idea where I want my chat persistence everywhere.
 The continuous client. This is too extreme of it. Well, the question about the continuous
 client idea is that first of it's great, but the idea is like, is your but you want your
 best client or any kind of like you want your experiences to follow you and be consistent.
 But your refrigerator is not a place where the experience has to live because it's a refrigerator
 has circuitry, has a connection. I understand that. But then why not just make units that go
 in the house that have those things? Because then you could put them in every room. Refrigerator is
 a five thousand dollar for their they're selling is probably a five thousand dollar investment.
 Right. You know, you don't need a five thousand dollar refrigerator to answer a call in your
 kitchen. Maybe you don't. I just bought a refrigerator. Let me tell you what. Does it
 have Internet? Does it? It is a connected refrigerator that knows when I'm hungry.
 OK, and it has it has a motorized arm that swings out and can snake through my house.
 It's like the Inspector Gadget. You just can snake through my house. Go go gadget. Yeah. And then it'll
 hand me food wherever I am in the home. How well does it make a sandwich? It makes amazing turkey sandwiches.
 I don't eat turkey sandwiches. That's the problem with it really, that I don't eat turkey and it keeps
 preparing turkey sandwiches. You would think it learns. I have an artificial intelligence. Which I find frankly a little annoying.
 So thanks a lot Samsung. You made a refrigerator with a robot arm that
 produces sandwiches and delivers them to me anywhere in the house. And yet the sandwiches
 are always wrong. You just have buyer's remorse. You wanted to wait for the voice command. So now you
 have to wait for the voice command. And it was twenty five thousand dollars. But I feel like it was worth it.
 You know, but seriously, all I'm saying is I just want us to make technology that makes sense.
 I'm asking for a little bit of sanity. I know that things are a little weird right now.
 I know that the weather patterns seem confusing. You know, there's there's, you know, body parts
 falling from the from the sky. You know, Michael Bay's walking off stage. You don't know if it's
 going to be OK next week or next month. But when we think about making new technology,
 I just would like us to say, hey, do we really need this? Is it cool or does it suck?
 Is this a waste of everybody's time or is it going to be awesome?
 And then if it's not awesome, I wouldn't make it. Clearly, you never owned a Tamagotchi.
 A Tamagotchi is the that's the animal, the that's the little guy you had to keep alive, right?
 Exactly. Completely worthless. But. Well, I mean, it was it was it was like it was like it was a candy crush.
 Right. Candy crushes and isn't anything you don't need. It's like, oh, candy.
 Candy crush is cool. It's a highly addictive mobile video game. Yes. I think that's great.
 That's wonderful. A talking fridge. A fridge that has skype. Terrible idea. Candy crush.
 People want to be distracted by games. They don't want to be distracted by taking a call
 in the refrigerator. They want you know what they want to do? They want to get the food out
 of the refrigerator. They want to put the food into their mouth. All this technology
 constantly makes us until they're morbidly obese. But this can't fit in and can't fit into the iRoad.
 We have all the technologies making us antisocial. This is a fridge that lets you talk to your friends.
 I can't believe you're even saying this to me with any kind of straight face. No, this is not a straight face.
 I know you're playing devil's advocate. I am very tired. I know you're playing devil's advocate right now.
 But I think you know the truth. I would never buy that. Here's the thing. I'm not saying that the
 fridge is not cool. Yeah. But I don't think you need to be able to. OK. Your children. We are
 belaboring this. Just say your children and your children's children are going to have talking fridges.
 I mean when you think about in 10 years what the kids who are born now, what they're going
 to be like and what they're going to know in 10 years, it's upsetting to me. What are your
 grandchildren going to bitch about on a hologram triangle AK set? They're going to bitch about their
 invisibility suit, you know, it's like malfunctioning in certain light. Their clothes filters.
 Their hovercraft is, is, doesn't reach light speed fast enough. What do you think your grandkids
 will be bitching about? Like you think I'll have grandkids. That's very, oh no, but uh. OK fine.
 I don't know. You asked me. I'm just asking you. I'm trying to be polite. I'm sorry if that's upsetting to you.
 It's very upsetting. Yeah. Well, let's pretend that you were going to have grandkids. Let's say they would.
 What, you know, you don't want to address the kid topic right now? Why not? Why don't you want to have grandkids?
 It's a funny story. I'd like to hear about it. I would like to hear about it too. We'll get to it.
 Let's go deep dive right now. Hypothetically, if you had grandkids, very uncomfortable,
 you're going to walk off like Michael Beck. I'm just trying to wing it here Josh.
 So you have grandkids. This is like what, in 30 years. Yes, 30, 40 years. What do you think they'll be bitching about?
 They'll be bitching about, you know. Will there be a CES in 30 years? There will be a CES.
 And your grandkids will be bitching about what? It'll be streamed to the brain. They'll be mad because they injected
 the new Samsung TouchWiz into their bloodstream. Oh God. Oh my God. And look, the problem is like.
 TouchWiz will take on a whole new meaning though, won't it? It's got a very new meaning.
 But like, one of their friends jailbroken. It's in your body. It really is. You really will be touching.
 Just to submit, our grandchildren will have a snow crash problem. I feel like snow crash will be,
 will seem quaint and outdated, but maybe you're right. Maybe. You're saying they're going to be,
 their brains are going to be getting crashed by a virtual reality. One of their friends was just
 being cool trying to jailbreak their bloodstream and then it just spread. Like it's the
 techno HIV. Oh hey, where's your friend Bobby? I haven't seen him around lately.
 And they're like, oh he bricked himself. Trying to jailbreak. Trying to unlock the baseband
 in TouchWiz, in bloodstream TouchWiz. In fairness, his fridge told him it was a good idea. Yeah, exactly.
 He's bricked himself. Let's move on. There was a couple things that happened before Samsung.
 I think Pebble we'll talk about later in the week too, but we should talk about that for a second.
 What else happened? There's Pebble Steel. Oh yeah, Pebble Steel, which is the first
 smartwatch I could, might actually consider buying. Right. Everybody in the trailer bought one.
 Already? Yeah, I came back. It was like, it was going on and I walked in. I was out for a minute
 and then I came back and everybody was like, yeah, I just bought three Pebbles, new Pebbles. Jesus.
 I don't know. I mean, it's like, why not wait, check it out. We're going to get a review unit
 probably. Let's see what the review says. You think that, you think that we know better.
 Well, who do you think? Wait for the review. Everyone, I mean, Christ, I'm using a Pebble
 right now. You are. I like it. You kind of sound like a spokesperson at this point.
 This Pebble is amazing. You're wearing the Pebble. You're wearing the Pebble. Let me tell you all
 about it, Josh. No, it's a, but like we want the glanced full information. We're tired of being
 the assholes that like pull phones out at the dinner table. We want to be assholes who look
 at our wrist at the dinner table. But is this better than doing this? I mean, I don't see a huge,
 this is great for- It's the I can hold my finger crawler. It's great for a little bit of information,
 but I just feel like, I don't know. No, it's still looking down. It's a convenience factor.
 I mean, when you check your watch, when you're with somebody and you check your watch,
 the first thing they think is like, do I need to wrap things up? Like if we were talking right now,
 just start talking about something. Okay. So the other day I was talking to my friend.
 I mean, what is that? How does that make you feel? Makes you feel like I need you to finish,
 cause I have to go do something more important. It does. Yes. Yeah. So how is it better to do that
 while you're talking to somebody than to do this? I think we're going to get to a point where-
 This almost is like, we know like, okay, he's checking his phone. He might get back to this
 conversation. I mean, yes and no. I'm like Andy Rooney now. Let's not forget though,
 like at some point these are going to be where you get notifications. I'm going to be looking
 right at you. I'm not here to like wave at people. Right. But the future is you're going to be
 talking to me and I'm going to be staring right at you and I'm just checking your email. Well,
 I'm checking email. Are you checking your email? Yeah. This is playing. Well, like Google Glass.
 Archiving. That's what you're describing. Yeah. Are you just winking at me for sex reasons?
 It's a Snapchat. That's what people are going to say in the future. They're going to say,
 are you winking at me to take a picture or are you telling me you want to have sex with me?
 Yeah. So this will be the like the more tasteful one. Like, no, no, no, no, no. I'm seriously just
 looking at my phone. You're not saying I want to have sex with you by the way. These are not
 creep shots. Seriously, just checking my email. Yeah. All right. So is there anything else about
 Samsung you need to talk about? No, no. That was way, way off. I think we're going. ASUS had one
 interesting internet of things. Oh, yeah. The other thing I mentioned, Samsung said it's the
 internet of things. Last year when Qualcomm did their keynote, they said it was the internet.
 It was the internet of things. It was the mobile generation. Yeah. Internet of things. But they
 said they had another term for it. It was like not generation mobile. It was like, no, but it was
 like not the internet of things, but it was like the internet of stuff or the network of things.
 It was some variation. Was it of everything? Internet of everything? The internet of everything.
 That's what it was. Yeah. It's like some minor variation that means exactly the same thing.
 Anyhow, go ahead. So Samsung now said this is the year. 2014 is the year of the internet of things.
 Right. Which is they say every year. But I think what's happening is like,
 let's stop trying to define the year that the thing, the internet of things happens and accept
 that the more things we make that can be connected, the more we're going to connect them. Right.
 And things are going to be connected. And it's not going to happen in a year. Like a year is going to
 be, this is the time when it happened. Unless Apple makes something. And then they'll have
 officially started the internet of things. Right. Apple's going to make like a cube
 that's just connected, but they don't tell you what it does. I do realize that. It's a black cube
 and they're like, this is connected in the home. And you're like, what is it doing?
 Where has this live show gone to? And that's it. You're in here first.
 So what is happening? We're having our own Michael Bay moment. We need to have a wrap up.
 I mean, I guess we're just going to wing it. We're just going to wing it.
 Okay. So we're going to skedaddle because that's what we do here. Yeah. But we do have a lot to go
 because like the actual nonsensical podcast that we do. The actual Vergecast after hours is going
 to happen later tonight at 6pm Pacific, 9pm East Coast. Right. And here's what's going to happen
 before that. Right. Sony is doing a press event. It's 5pm. It's always very... At 5pm we'll have
 that live on the site, live blog and stream. Yes. And then Valve. So Valve is also happening at 5.
 It's unfortunate timing. Yeah. So Valve and Sony are happening at exactly the same time. You're
 just going to pop up two browser windows locked to the Verge where we're going to be streaming
 both of them and live logging. Are we streaming Valve or no? We're streaming Sony. We only have
 one stream. Okay. We're streaming Sony but not Valve. Sorry Valve. But should be some interesting
 stuff. This is like, this is the year of... This is the coming out for the Steam Box. Yeah.
 Which is a different way of thinking about consoles that we've seen before. Right. Hopefully
 it does something. They call them Steam Machines though, right? Steam Machines. Steam Box is that
 colloquial. Steam Box is a better name but that's fine. I guess it's too much like Hot Box. You know,
 like for weed. Because you know, nobody at Valve smokes weed. We're just going to wing this goodbye.
 Yeah, we are winging it right now. So anyhow, so tune in to The Verge tonight. 5 o'clock
 Pacific for Valve and Sony. And then after that, when those wrap up, we will be back with
 The Verge Cast After Hours dissecting those events, the whole day's events,
 probably talking more about Michael Bay and definitely, definitely drinking. Absolutely.
 So get ready. So that's the show. We'll be back soon and thanks for tuning in. Thanks.