 you you you you you you you you you you you Hello and welcome to circuit breaker live. I'm Ashley Carmen. Paul Miller's here. I'm Paul Miller and I'm Garberg. Hello. You probably are noticing right now that Neelai is not here. That's because Neelai's a dad Happy for me lie and he is spending time with his baby not with gadgets, which is definitely for the best So we're gonna start out with hi him today, but right after hi, I'm gonna have Jake on he's gonna talk about Android P So get ready to speculate about what that P stands for then we'll have Sean O'Kane here with some crazy camera And also Jake will be back again with an IKEA speaker. It's gonna be a good show Yes Full show Hi, um You have things on this table. I have things on what are the things on this table? So the things that we're talking about are two new Pico projectors little portable projectors So we have this which is the anchor and nebula capsule Just kind of your like bread and butter pretty standard portable projector as portable jack portable projectors go and Then we have a little bit weirder, which is the yes. Oh Joe. Oh, oh, yeah, I think it's oh, oh I think it's oh, oh, oh, oh, okay. Yes. Oh ho. Oh ho. They they really reached for it on that name Which is a projector built into a Nintendo switch dock. So you've seen the switch dock. It's this hunk of black plastic Now imagine it's slightly bigger with the projector two cooling fans a speaker and a massive internal battery How big is the battery on this? So the battery on this is? 20,000 400 milliamp hours, which is extremely big if you recall a couple weeks ago We had switch accessors. We had that giant battery pack that Creighton had so it's like that big So it's got like an $130 Battery pack built-in it does this charge your switch or is it just to power the project? So can charge your switch Okay It can actually it has a separate mode over here where you can put it into battery mode where it just turns into a battery Pack and you can charge very large battery pack. I mean if you're carrying it anyway So here we go, so yeah, you've got plugs we've got ports So you got power in for USB seeing which a is great because USB C is great and the switch charges with USB C So you can just use the same charging cable. Yeah, so you could use like a like a fire TV. Yeah Always got the archives Handy-dandy fire TV. Let's do this without blinding Paul. Actually, I'll get you I'll get you a screen Heim any of our camera people all of whom I have already Blended out to be clear the regular switch dock no projector. No, it is just It's a plastic. Okay And again, these are actually pretty similar projectors this costs $350 it's about the size of soda cans actually We know this is super portable super portable It has this cost this cost $50 more than this this has a battery that's four times the size and Works with a switch. So, you know trade-offs on the other hand This is tiny and you can fit in your pocket. This also runs Android TV So I'll turn on a few minutes, but this has like Netflix YouTube everything built in the switch has Hulu you can you can watch Hulu Or we play Mario stick is booting up here, but the fire sticks booting up. The real magic is doing with the switch Yeah, I'll swap that in. Yeah, let's swap that in. Let's get the switch going Seems like the solution all my problems honestly because I have a switch I cannot manage a whole projector setup I don't really have a TV at home. So this actually seems like exactly what I would need Yeah, I mean, I'm really just a big fan of this in general just because the switch is so easy to use I'm just saying I'm not a big fan of this in general just because the switch is already so portable But so you're you're focusing it with but I'm just in focus There are buttons is actually the thing I don't love about this is that you just click the button like a thousand times to get into focus Yeah There's no remote there's no projector settings That actually both of these projectors have a cool thing where they'll adjust to the angle that you're putting it on So it's a level screen So if I put it at like an angle it knows how to compensate for that and just keep that Unfortunately, it only does that vertically not Horizontally so but this is on and we're just gonna drop our switch in just like we would with The actual dock Extending the fun of Nintendo switch should it oh and here we go. Dang You can just jump right in so has built-in speakers. Yeah, it's got built-in speakers there's also an aux port if you want to you know extend speakers a bit and It's like a regular switch And that's Yeah, that was like simple simple setup I can see this with the studio. Have you done it? Have you tried it in the dark like yeah in the dark. It actually looks pretty good. So this is a 200 lumen projector This one's about a hundred neither of them is Outstandingly good like relative to like big professional projectors Yeah, jump in I just paused I'm using them. It's like super outstanding relative to like actual projectors, but for a small portable projector, you know take on the go For playing, you know game of Mario Kart on your rooftop with all your trendy friends It's through your sword I've heard that third-party docks and things like that have been breaking the switches Is that something people need to worry about with something like this? I mean, there's always a concern when you're using a third-party accessory on ninety percent sure Nintendo hasn't authorized this one I'm more okay with this for a couple reasons. One is even compared to the switch dock. You're putting this in relatively If you look you're putting the switch much farther in so there's less chance of it like damaging or scratching up your screen And to the issues with the breaking was really I think one specific Which I actually have on my desk and have been afraid to plug my switch into for maybe don't do that. Yeah This was an Indiegogo project, which is usually kind of a red flag here Not even Kickstarter's an Indiegogo project usually more of a red This is really shipping but it's really shipping you can go on Amazon and actually order one I think they're currently back ordered, but you can order one on Amazon and it'll be shipping with Prime shipping I think could be a little bit more expensive It's $400, which is the catch. Hmm. That's a lot. On the other hand. This is again. This is kind of, you know, your base model This is 350 dollars. This has a battery That's one quarter of the size and you can't just drop your switch in and like going back like in the original switch commercial They had that like, you know, you trendy hipsters on your roof Millennials on your reclaimed warehouse roof in Brooklyn playing through playing switch games This is like this is like the the evolution of that dream where not only Not only are you showing up at your party like the coolest guy in the world Paul with your switch It's ready ready to lead a game of Mario. I do go to a lot of parties You're there with your with your Giant block projector. Yeah, suddenly everyone's enjoying this I've done I have I I'll be honest. I did it in Manhattan. I have lugged a huge projector up to a friend's roof before Just to watch Netflix Yeah, that was real dedication. So it seems like it'd be easier now with this this kind of thing Now this is Android TV. This is a great way. Yeah, he set this up to so how do we turn this off? There's a power button on the front Is this a switch? Oh switch pun not intended. Sorry. I Feel I kind of reviewed this. Yeah I had a lot of problems with this remote So there's like such a simple room. It looks so simple It looks like this remote which is arguably this awful. There's a tiny infrared sensor here right on the back And it just it's like a little bit of a Direct shot so you doesn't work well with the bank shots and the angle, you know what I mean? Right? I guess with like a portable projector. That's more of a concern because You're gonna be like moving it around a lot Yeah, I mean this just runs Android TV, which is good Try this just try this. What's the resolution on this one the chat wants to know so they both have the same resolution They both have the same resolution. They both have the same resolution They both natively projected 854 by 480 so not like great resolution But it's a small battery-powered projector that you can carry in your bag and take anywhere. How many lumens? This is 200 lumens. That's 100 lumens. So again, neither of these are breaking any records in terms of projectors You're not gonna you know install this in your home theater is your big cinema quality projector But if it's a thing that you just stick in a bag and take with you to your cool Rooftop parties like if I had this in college, I would have failed out of college. I'm gonna be completely honest here Yeah, I have more faith in you Yeah Okay, let's let's do this remote demo If it works, I mean I'm literally pointing it directly at it but No, there we go we found I was about to say, okay Maybe I'm just really Like I'm back here. I'm already I'm already not getting like I think three feet I think three feet for a TV remote is Yeah, reasonable statute to expect it to work. The nice thing is there there is an app so you can you can control it over Bluetooth That works great And it's also great for like typing and can you show the app in the overheads? So you're just moving around with your finger So like the Apple TV app actually, yeah, yeah, this is like a like a cursor kind of thing that's really cool You too. So this doesn't have any up at all. There's basically no controls on the on the OYO Ojo, whatever we decided to call it You can adjust focus with these buttons on top. You can adjust the volume of the internal speaker and that's it It is there's no remote at all. There's no remote. There's no controls It is designed to be as plug-and-play as the switch Itself is like you just drop it in and go and hope everything kind of works. Mm-hmm, and it mostly does Would you buy this yourself now that you are have succeeded at college? You know upstanding professional citizen. So here's the thing this costs more than a switch does this costs $400 So you could buy a switch you could buy a second pair of joy con for this way And you could buy a game to play on the switch for less than buying Yeah, but if you were gonna play on a TV and you had to buy the TV That's true. I guess relative to TV You can get a really good TV for $400 too You can get a really good TV for $400 too The amazing television for $400 So it's definitely more of like a fun luxury if it costs like $200 I could see maybe doing it Oh, you also you do just get a huge battery Yeah, I mean it is it is basically an $130 battery pack Like we had a battery this big for the switch, right? So you are getting that out of it, which isn't bad But it's it's definitely still a little expensive at this point But it's just a cool like people are finally doing interesting things with the switch This is this is the do more things like this developers if you're listening and hopefully Nintendo doesn't break it And hopefully Nintendo doesn't break anything. Awesome. Well, hi. I'm thank you so much for coming on now. We're gonna go to Don't know maybe a part of the show you probably like a circuit breaker Assume people love Everyone tell Ashley you like this So Jake is gonna talk to us about Android P get ready to speculate in the comments with Jake. Here we go. What's up, Jake? Month ago. We put up a first look at Android P when Google released the developer preview and Basically all of the comments on YouTube were speculation about what Google is going to name Android P It's like that time of the year. It always happens debate over what the next Next dessert they'll choose is gonna be for the name of the operating system So we fear we just go through some of the favorites that were in the comments and talk them over the first one the number one most popular comment was Android pancake and I have to tell you all this is actually just a bad. Yes, because it's not a dessert all Android operating systems have a name after desserts and pancake is not wait I know this is Your segment that everybody loves Pancakes what about when they have whipped cream on them? Yeah If you eat Mickey Mouse pancakes Mickey Mouse, if you know how you shape the pancake, it's still a breakfast But if you have a great dinner and someone's like would you like to see the dessert menu? It's full of pancakes that are sweet and delightful. You're sorry. I'm sorry. I don't eat my own desserts for dessert I think that would be strange if somebody offered you cereal for dessert, which you qualify it as a dessert Still breakfast food There are better options in pancake Not one of them, I just say chocolate chip pancakes are delicious people people in the chat are saying pancake equal breakfast Thank you commenters for us. All right. What else we have number two another really popular when we saw was Popsicle which I think is a very good guess but here's the thing popsicles actually a brand name register trademark of whom? The popsicle in people. I don't know Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and Oreo those are right is possible My feeling is like Oreo kick out you recognize those brand names I did not even realize that popsicle was a brand name like the generic is ice pop So it'd be a lot of work for Google to get the permission for like not right I feel like it would not be as like worth it. That's that's my feeling against pops. Okay, what else we got? We have some good and bad ones peppermint. It's fine. Thank I'm really I like eating Honestly, a lot of people in the chat are saying peppermint really which I'm shocked I'm parents really I just think of peppermint patty you like the candy. All right, it's a candy Yeah, the little ones those mints are absolutely not dessert. So that is our qualifier here No, well, but it's honeycomb a dessert. I Mean it's a lame dessert and similarly one of the worst versions of Android. Oh, yeah All right. We also have Popcorn no, it's not that doesn't count unless you put chocolate You can put sugar on literally any food and I don't and you should wow We're getting so many crazy ones in here poppy seed muffin Oh, that's not an Akata these people are trolling us Powder sugar donut Someone had pineapple upside down cake. That's all right Yeah There was a bunch of pineapple suggestions coming up We have a bunch of us a potato This is I mean a delicious food, but not not working for for a dessert Android pie. Yeah, I mean I feel like it's a little short. It feels like you like Someone in the chat says pumpkin pie. I have a theory that they might not want to do Pecan anything with a double P the alliteration is good The alliteration is good But if you think everybody abbreviated Android ice cream sandwiches ICS and here you're going Android No reason called Android double P. It's gonna be That's my only my my reason for why it might not be that and or pineapple we got yeah That's a clear fruit. I think fruit is another thing Yeah, stash of special ice cream delicious I like this one because think of it do pistachio ice cream sandwich Pigs and then say Samsung upgrade to pics or it didn't happen Right, you could have a great crowd. There you go marketing campaign. Yeah That's what we'll get the manufacturers in law. What about pecan? Another nut is it a Again, but then pecan I think pecans are traditionally seen of as a dessert in and of themselves It's a very expensive. I don't think that's true of any nut a Lot of oil. Yeah, I and and likewise peanuts are like if you're approaching dessert, you know, you're just Warming yourself up Thank you to Raphael for Yeah, great When do we actually find? Yeah, so we actually so Google I O is coming up in a few weeks It's the beginning of May. Mm-hmm But we're not thinking at the name and Google usually introduces some of the more consumer facing features in the spring It'll then put out a public beta so we'll start to get a sense of it But pretty much every time they don't actually put out the final name and last year they did like a special event. Yeah, or yeah So we're probably not gonna actually find out until The fall usually around the time that the pixel comes out. Okay, that'll be around September October And that's when we'll get the final name Although sometimes they'll you know might do some sort of gimmick around the spring to kind of vote on the name or get people speculating So it's not unheard of I will say my favorite one is up here kind of I'm kind of feeling pop tart Also in some cases brand name pop tart. Well, it's definitely definitely a brand name. Yeah There's a Donuts pop pop tart crossovers now at my bodega So I know that the pop tart brand is willing to diversity. Okay? Yeah I read a pop or shit like an Android really apply expertise this is good. Thank you Paul. This is incredibly helpful Please here because Dessert Desserts, but why are you buying Dunkin Donuts at your bodega? Why are you buying them? You notice at the day? I buy these pop. I just have noticed that Dunkin Donuts pop tarts. It's like a vanilla latte pop tart Okay. Okay. Okay. All right We're down with Sean okay, and is here Sean. I'll do what you know, we're good. We're heated. What's going on? I have one of the weirdest things I've probably ever reviewed for the verge This is the light l16 as you can see Yeah, we'll go Paul cam This is a camera with 16 cameras on the front of it. Wow. It is quite the thing to behold cost two thousand dollars 1950 I'm being a bit more accurate and Well, you're basically buying 19 cameras Yeah, right that's actually not too bad like right a hundred bucks a camera Anyways point the way that this works is it's got five twenty eight millimeter wide-angle lenses Okay mixed in here five seventy millimeter sort of mid-range lenses and six 150 millimeter telephoto lenses and these are all essentially the same kinds of camera modules you'd find in a smartphone. So like that size You can actually see The 150 ones are laid out with mirrors in there and they're making I don't know if you can hear the noise But I might be able to get the yeah, there we go. You can see a movie It's a focus because they're all coming from sort of slightly different angles so to make sure that you have the subject in focus They're all mirrors a little bit So yeah, the whole idea with this camera is that it essentially is mimicking Having a mirrorless or DSLR camera with a 28 millimeter 250 millimeter zoom and lens And the idea being that you know your saving space Don't have the giant lens out here This is something that you know more easily slips in a bag or a pocket and it's actually simulating all those focal lengths in between So if you zoom to 40 millimeters, it's taking multiple camera sensors at the same time all images from those camera sensors at the same time combining them all on the fly and Rendering out something that looks like it would have looked like if it was a 40 millimeter lens. How do you zoom with this? So it's got a 5 inch touchscreen LCD on the back Camera yeah, let's go So you just touch on the screen it's giving me some like haptic feedback right now Which is actually kind of nice so, you know for sure that you're zooming if you're not really They're pretty responsive. It's pretty smooth. It actually just runs on Android we can show you Somehow no, there it is you can just pop out of the camera app and it has like a tray So, yeah, I'll take a photo people are saying you're triggering their trip the phobia sure yeah, what is it tripta phobia It's like a fear of closely gathered holes, I believe. Yeah Don't You should go read the review because we're not gonna be able to cover all of this here now because there's a lot to this Thing and had a lot of thoughts about it. But yeah, sorry. There's a very tripta phobic triggering Really quickly. Wait, can you just take a picture of Ashley? I just want to see it in action like how which one do I look at? Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely not the most like it doesn't put your subjects at ease I found it pretty good for you know, like street photography It's kind of slow and thoughtful when you try to take a lot of it's not it's not like that's pretty nice Yeah for in here. And so what you can do is this is showing Some sort of like low megabyte preview on the camera. You can actually tap this button to process it. It'll run through It'll combine What was showing you was one of the images? originally tap this process button you give it a few seconds it'll combine and make a 13 megapixel images image so you can actually see it looked better quality now. There's more detail in the hair It's not as like artifact II on her face and If you have an Android phone you can then Bluetooth share it out. Oh, which is nice What about if you have an iPhone or an iOS device? I phones can't handle Bluetooth file transfers. Yeah, you're kind of screwed the process from getting a photo from this to Instagram If you have an iPhone is shoot it on here Offloaded under your computer like connect it and put it on your computer run it through their desktop software Save it out get it back to your iPhone and then on Instagram. So it's not the most Mobile friendly setup. So you said the the version that this can process is like 13 megapixels Yes, and then the desktop software can process like a way higher in yes So it's capturing so much information because it's capturing from up to ten different cameras at any given time when you take a picture And so the ultimate Combination of that can be up to 52 megapixels if you run it through the desktop software and you can export that as a JPEG you can export that as a DNG raw file and then take it to lightroom and do more fine edits there, which is cool Problem is the desktop software is pretty slow It's still in beta and I give this company a lot of credit because they've put actually a lot of updates out already on both the desktop software and on the Software on the camera the firmware But yeah, it's you know, it looks like lightroom it's got your film strip here at the bottom It's got some basic editing on the sides It has some other special effects kind of like what we used to see with that light row camera Actually, we have a light row. I was gonna ask you about you can you can sort of mess with the depth effect? You can so this like this this camera came out like I don't know six years ago And you can take a picture and you could refocus it Yeah after the fact thanks to some really interesting product produce of physics Yeah The problem with this was that they never figured out a way to make it so that that worked Like outside of their own proprietary format, you know, I get bad light to his own thing So this you end up with an actual this yeah, you could go in here It's you know for something that's kind of far away It's not really gonna be too great, but you know a closer image you could probably try and blur it You can change the f-stop. Yeah, you can change the f-stop to give it some like background blur See, it's it's just a little slow Like this doesn't look that impressive to me and a lot of people want to know Whether this is better than a high-end smartphone one person in particular is asking about the pixel 2 I know you're gonna get to this but we want to know yeah, so it's hard especially with this Um what we're showing here what I found out after you know, that's really bashing my head against this This desktop software is that what it's showing us right now is uh is already a sort of dumbed-down preview So when you export the image you save it out even as a JPEG It'll look a lot better than what we're seeing right now, which is always frustrating But at least it's got some better detail than what we're showing you Yeah, the depth effects stuff is kind of tough if you didn't have the thing that you wanted in focus right in focus It's gonna kind of be a little bit rough But the quality is you know in sunlight it can actually be pretty great In low light it can impress too. It's it's always a little bit maybe more than a smartphone when it gets it, right Just because it's working with so much more image image data It's just never really clearing the bar It's never really making that leap from smartphone to like a mirrorless camera an APS-C sensor camera and and the process of working with these images is just like It's you can see it's like loading every time I pull and it's gonna do that because it's really It's reassembling these on the fly, which is like really frustrating. So like you gotta wait for it to sort of pop in That's pretty nice. That's pretty good. But like you zoom in it's got to reassemble it. That looks great if you make an edit It block you can see it like blocking in the changes So that's just like a real big choke point for it. And what I found is that you know, it's It can really impress you some of the images it takes can be really great But it's kind of in the same way that like pictures from my iPhone can be really great And it's not certainly is like a consumer product. I don't think it really justifies the price Even though it performs better than I think I thought it would it I just found myself Frustrated with it. Can you think of someone this would be useful for or is it just a tech demo? It's just like a hint at the future of camera, you know if it had more mobile features like if you could really get it You know really hook it up through like a mobile app to your smartphone if it had that sort of pipeline If it was a little bit better in fast situations You know, it's actually really not that far off like we saw the first prototype of this thing back in 2015 October 2015 I think and it was at that point. It was like still just it was like The circuit board of like all the camera modules and like the things weren't even connected Like it's really crazy how far it's come and it's a polished piece of hardware So it's actually not too far off and I think you know that they're making Changes to the software on the desktop and on the camera is a good sign like the people who do buy this are gonna see It get better. Okay, because it is so software-based, which is also happening to smartphone cameras. Yeah, it's like a I mean, I think there are people I don't think that you should go out and buy this camera as opposed to Like the premise that they that they lay out that this could replace sort of like a camera bags worth of lenses doesn't really hold Up like you're still gonna be better off the difference between this and like a Fujifilm XT 20 with a zoom lens on it Space-wise actually isn't that great? Like and you're gonna get far more reliable consistent quality out of that or a camera like that Where this really is, you know, it's not like it's not gonna be as good as the XT 20 And I don't think it's going to be as good as the XT 20 So what I'm saying is if you're looking at a smartphone that's not as powerful or as good as the XT 20 Then you're gonna have to buy it and you're gonna have to buy a XT 20 where this really makes sense is like in a in the context of smartphones and I think that's really what their goal what was with this was prove that this works and I think they did I'm really impressed that like the cameras didn't misalign or you know, like the Software works the way it does millimeter zoom on your smartphone without it being digital. That's really crazy. So is that kind of like the future we're starting to see with, for example, just the iPhone with the dual cameras? Obviously, like everyone's getting dual cameras. The P20 Pro's got 4,000 cameras. Yeah, I think- Triple selfie cameras. I totally think this is where this is all heading. Like Google's already doing crazy work with software on its Pixel phones with just one camera. And so the more cameras we see on these phones, if you get companies that know how to handle the software to do sort of tricky things like this, I think we're going to see a big explosion in value there because they're just so... The physical limitations of building a camera the size that fits in a smartphone are so concrete that we're already up against them. You can't really get the aperture any lower. You can't really get a bigger sensor in there. So something like this is a really good idea. And I know that they've been in talks with some smartphone makers. They've been telling me that they're hopefully going to have a phone out this year that uses this technology. I think like Lytro, we saw them making those promises back in 2015. They're not even promises, but proposing that idea. And it took them until 2018 to really get it out in front of people. And maybe they missed the boat now because now there is the Huawei P20 with three cameras. We are starting to see this coming. In 2015, it was rare to think about multiple cameras on the back of a smartphone. Now we're getting it as a... It's table stakes, right? But I'm excited to see this idea keep going forward in the smartphone sort of form factor. I also think some other really crazy stuff's going to come as well. If you think... Where is it? There are a lot of 360 cameras out right now. I don't really think there's a lot of value in them, but something like this, which is the Rilo camera. What it does is lets you basically just capture 360 degrees and then reframe your shot on the fly on your phone. How much is this? I think this is 300. GoPro is doing the same thing with its Fusion camera. We're not far off from getting this down like this, getting this down into a form factor that fits on your smartphone, and then all of a sudden you're using your front-facing camera or your rear-facing camera to take a 360 spear, and then you just figure out how you wanted to frame it later. I think there's some really cool stuff coming to the mobile space with these as indications of it as far as consumer products go. Not quite. Bad. I think it's so cool that they pulled this off. I did want to put this in my pocket. I know we got to move along. You mentioned it was- I will tell you, I'm the clumsiest person in the world. I have somehow not broken the glass on the front of this thing or scratched it. Well, Paul's going to break it for you right now. There you go. Good work, Paul. In Paul's pocket. Super slick. In the pocket. Looks great. And you wouldn't be able to do that with a zoom lens. That's right. That's right. Awesome. Take that zoom lenses. All right, Sean. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. This is sick. Glad we got to demo it. And now everyone's favorite part of the show. Oh, that's right. It is everybody's favorite. I was just trying to queue it up for you. Other than maybe ask circuit breaker, I did another explain yourself this time. It's about space law with Lauren Grush. Space X's Earth views need a license now. Probably thanks to the Tesla stunt. Blame Noah and a 26 year old law by Lauren Grush, space expert. It doesn't say that, but I know. Okay, Lauren. Explain yourself. Lauren Grush. I want to know the truth about space law. There's a lot to go over. What do you want to talk about? Well, I read this article on the verge that you wrote about how Tesla was in trouble for taking video in space. Kind of. Because it's illegal to take pictures of the Earth. Kind of, not illegal. Basically you have to get a license from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration if you want to take pictures of or video of Earth from orbit. It's known as remote sensing. So if you have a satellite and you want to take pictures of the ground, you have to get a license first from NOAA. And SpaceX was not getting any of these licenses because they've been just putting cameras on their rockets. But everybody saw Starman in space, so it kind of got people's attention. So this is like to stop people from spying or something. Right. It's based off an old law that the US was concerned that maybe a US company would put up a satellite and they could go take pictures of troops overseas and then sell that information to a foreign entity. But we're getting to a point where there's so many different companies putting stuff into space and they have all these different capabilities that there's debate about whether or not the law is necessary anymore or if we should update it. So this got me thinking. What other space laws am I... I'm just thinking, let's say I built a rocket that can go to space. And I get in the rocket and I go to space, who's going to arrest me? Well first you need a license from the Federal Aviation Administration because you want to make sure that your rocket does not hurt anybody on the ground or destroy anybody's house. That's very important to me. Very important. You need a license from the FCC to have access to the radio spectrum in order to communicate with your vehicle while it's launching and if you're putting a satellite into orbit. And then if you were going to take pictures of Earth, you would need an extra license from NOAA as well. But other than that, I'm totally clear I can do whatever I want? I mean, you do have to go through a payload review through the FAA. If you are bold about your intentions of messing stuff up in space, the State Department will probably step in and say no. What if I build such a good rocket? Such a good rocket. What if I go to the moon or to Mars? I've heard at least maybe the moon. It's kind of like Antarctica. The U.S. has these obligations under a treaty known as the Outer Space Treaty and they don't want to mess, they don't want to get other countries mad at them. So if you're going to the moon or Mars, the U.S. is going to want to know that you're adhering to certain parts of the treaty. So for one thing, planetary protection is a big one. You don't want to contaminate other places with your human germs because that can be really bad for studying these places. Or what if you introduce some weird space bug that grows out of control and then comes back and hurts us later on? What if I just want to plant some potatoes? You probably need to talk to the State Department about that. Why even go to space? If there's going to be all these laws, why even try? Well, it doesn't fit in like the wild west. You have these laws for how to get to space, but then once you're up there, there's not a lot of regulation. SpaceX has been putting cameras on its rockets for how long and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration just noticed and was like, oh, that's probably not okay. So what you're recommending is that I just try to fly under the radar and try not to get caught. I did not make that recommendation. I officially did not make that recommendation. Cool, well thank you, Lauren. I'm going to go to the next question. Oh my God, no! That was explain yourself. I think we really got to the bottom of whatever we just talked about. We're back and Jake is here. I returned. Hey, Jake. He's back on the other side. No hard feelings about the desserts. Well some of us were right. I brought you something not Android related. These are speakers from IKEA. They're IKEA's very first Bluetooth speakers, which is also just kind of weird because IKEA does technology now and this has been increasing over the past few years. Several years ago, they started building Qi wireless chargers into things. You get like a lamp that you could put your phone on and it would charge. They didn't really look that good, but you could do it. Then like a year or so ago, they released some wireless light. They actually had a whole system, had this hub, had this weird dimmer thing. I tested it out, didn't work great, but it was one of the cheapest options you could get, which is really what IKEA has been doing. It's been trying to just bring smart technology down to a lower price. Makes sense, it's IKEA. And now they're starting to get into speakers. These are the first Bluetooth speakers. We know they're partnering with Sonos in the future. So I think next year, we're expecting probably some Wi-Fi speakers that have Sonos compatibility or something like that. They're also working with Teenage Engineering on some more stylish audio gear. This is the start. They're not listening to you with these ones. These are dumb? No. These are, yeah, these are Bluetooth only. These are the dumb speakers. There's no microphones, no smart assistant. You can plug your phone into it or you can hook it up wirelessly and that is it. And these are really bare bones products. This one's $49. This one is $89. Are they meant to be portable? What's interesting is this one has to be plugged in. This one comes with a power cord. It's plugged in by default. But this is IKEA, it's kind of modular and weird as you would kind of expect. So what you can actually do is, there's this slot in the bottom. We have this coin here. And you can actually plug a battery pack. I think I locked it instead of opening it. There's this giant slot for a battery pack to be plugged in. What? Yeah. I'm gonna pull it out for you. And it's like, it basically looks like a portable battery for your phone with look and it's specifically designed for this though. And that's another $20. So if you want to use this wirelessly, you have to buy that. Or you can pay more for the... Yeah, which I mean is kind of a neat feature that you can add that on. But also then you're getting into like a kind of a pricier range. And sort of the thing that I've been wondering is, what exactly is the target market for IKEA speaker? I don't know who buys it. Maybe we should just talk about like how these sound before we get into it. Yeah, I want to see. And someone does want to know, do you have to build them? I am very excited about this part. So there is the hex switch. There's a limited amount of assembly. There's a handle. Okay. This is the real thing. This is going to take a while. This is going to take a while. But I'm going to put this in the lunchbox. There's some really, really basic assembly. This one has a handle you can put on. Both of them have these detachable front covers. I actually think they look way better without them because then you can see the speakers on the front. There's three drivers on this one too and that one. You kind of just really have to dig in there. This fabric cover, it feels very like it's trying to be with that trend like the Google... Like athleisure. Yeah. And it looks a little bit like the Echo and stuff, but it's not really working for me on these. These are very like IKEA bare bones basic style. I'm sure that these are designed to fit inside your cube IKEA storage units. Everything fits together. Exactly. And it very much seems to be like you're already at IKEA, you're already shopping and like I need a speaker. So we kind of listened to them earlier and our opinions were mixed. I've got Vergecast queued up on here. It's playing on this one. Yeah. This is probably not going to be the most demonstrative thing, but it's going to be the least one to get us demonetized or whatever on YouTube. So they don't get super loud. They get like loud enough probably, but they sort of get distorted at a higher noise. Paul, you think they're awful. I think is that an accurate description? I really, really hated, especially over Bluetooth. I do agree with you that once you plug it in with an audio jack, which you know, good luck to you, I think it sounds a lot better. Yeah. I feel like over Bluetooth compression, it sounds so sloppy and it's kind of a painful tiny like a like a, just the bass. These don't pair with each other or anything, right? It's purely just one off. Yeah, no, it's one off. Like you connect to this, you have like one in your room and that's it. Let me see if I can play something else for like two seconds. That will be a little bit clearer as music. Can you also show us how this knob works? I just want to see someone use the knob. Yeah, the knob. I mean, it's, it's spin it, have fun. That's what it's there for. Like The bass is really intense. I love Drake. And I'm sure his label loves are playing him here. We're big fans. Yeah, it's fun. It's fun. This is commentary. It's just like 15 seconds. I mean, that bass was really intense though. It's true. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like these will work for fun. If like if you just like need music for a party. I don't think this is like for for close listening. If you're an audio file, this isn't for you. But I feel like if you're buying your speakers at IKEA, you're not trying to close listen. You're just like, this will look good in my room. It can do the bare minimum, which is paired my phone and play music. Yeah, it seems like I need a speaker for my bedroom. I don't know if you have a bedroom already. Yeah, exactly. I think this would work for that. But at that price range, you probably could get a better Bluetooth. Right. That's the thing. This is $89. And I'm not sure. It's like a weird balance. Like this one's this is not portable either. You can probably get a pretty good portable one like at these prices, too. So it's it's definitely a weird trade off. I think like the Google Home and the Echo, what they make, they lack in like as perfect speakers. They have like really high quality audio because it's all coming over Wi-Fi. Like that is another really good point. You're not going to spend as much time Bluetoothing to them. Of course, they can cost a little bit more. Yeah, but I do think these both of these speakers sound way better with an aux cable. Yeah, we're talking about this. Hot tips from Carl himself. It's weird because you could like upgrade these by plugging in like a Chromecast audio or connecting like an Echo Dot or something. Echo Dot with this is not bad. But then at that point, like you're spending so much on these things. Why didn't I just get like a normal Echo? I don't know if that would really be so much better. We haven't done necessarily an in-depth listening test on either of these yet. But mostly, I just want to see, Paul, how does it look when you just carry it? I don't know. Do I look like a cool, just go out and go to the beach? You're ready to go to the party. I was going to the train the other day. There was a guy with four Bluetooth speaker, like capsule speakers hanging around his neck like a chain. It was amazing. That is you could pull that off with two of those. You think so? Yeah, just right there. Well, Jake, thank you for bringing on these speakers. Are they out yet or anything? Yeah. These are entering stores now. I think you might have to buy them online because they're in limited quantities at the moment. But these are going to be in IKEA stores. Did we say what they're called? Oh, they're called Inebi. I mean, I don't know. Roll off the tongue. As many name of an IKEA product really. Inebi, Inib, Inib. Inebi 20 and 30. Okay. Right. Inebi. There's no accent marks. No umblats. All caps. Okay. All caps. Inebi. Inib. Inib. Inib. Yeah. Awesome. All right. Well, that's it for Circuit Breaker Live. Thanks for watching and we'll see you next week. Same time, same place. Bye. Later. Hey, Paul again. And I've just been trying to think of a good name for a spaceship company. Paul's Astronaut Upsending Launcher. It upsends, it launches astronauts. Paul. Yeah, I'll just call it Paul. All right. Cool. Thanks. Thanks, everybody. Thanks, everybody.
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 Hello and welcome to circuit breaker live. I'm Ashley Carmen. Paul Miller's here. I'm Paul Miller
 and
 I'm Garberg. Hello. You probably are noticing right now that
 Neelai is not here. That's because
 Neelai's a dad
 Happy for me lie and he is spending time with his baby not with gadgets, which is definitely for the best
 So we're gonna start out with hi him today, but right after hi, I'm gonna have Jake on he's gonna talk about Android P
 So get ready to speculate about what that P stands for then we'll have Sean O'Kane here with some crazy camera
 And also Jake will be back again with an IKEA speaker. It's gonna be a good show
 Yes
 Full show
 Hi, um
 You have things on this table. I have things on what are the things on this table?
 So the things that we're talking about are two new Pico projectors little portable projectors
 So we have this which is the anchor and nebula capsule
 Just kind of your like bread and butter pretty standard portable projector as portable jack portable projectors go and
 Then we have a little bit weirder, which is the yes. Oh Joe. Oh, oh, yeah, I think it's oh, oh
 I think it's oh, oh, oh, oh, okay. Yes. Oh ho. Oh ho. They they really reached for it on that name
 Which is a projector built into a Nintendo switch dock. So you've seen the switch dock. It's this hunk of black plastic
 Now imagine it's slightly bigger with the projector two cooling fans a speaker and a massive internal battery
 How big is the battery on this? So the battery on this is?
 20,000 400 milliamp hours, which is extremely big if you recall a couple weeks ago
 We had switch accessors. We had that giant battery pack that Creighton had so it's like that big
 So it's got like an $130
 Battery pack built-in it does this charge your switch or is it just to power the project? So can charge your switch
 Okay
 It can actually it has a separate mode over here where you can put it into battery mode where it just turns into a battery
 Pack and you can charge very large battery pack. I mean if you're carrying it anyway
 So here we go, so yeah, you've got plugs we've got ports
 So you got power in for USB seeing which a is great because USB C is great and the switch charges with USB C
 So you can just use the same charging cable. Yeah, so you could use like a like a fire TV. Yeah
 Always got the archives
 Handy-dandy fire TV. Let's do this without blinding Paul. Actually, I'll get you
 I'll get you a screen Heim any of our camera people all of whom I have already
 Blended out to be clear the regular switch dock no projector. No, it is just
 It's a plastic. Okay
 And again, these are actually pretty similar projectors this costs $350 it's about the size of soda cans actually
 We know this is super portable super portable
 It has this cost this cost $50 more than this this has a battery that's four times the size and
 Works with a switch. So, you know trade-offs on the other hand
 This is tiny and you can fit in your pocket. This also runs Android TV
 So I'll turn on a few minutes, but this has like Netflix YouTube everything built in the switch has
 Hulu you can you can watch Hulu
 Or we play Mario stick is booting up here, but the fire sticks booting up. The real magic is doing with the switch
 Yeah, I'll swap that in. Yeah, let's swap that in. Let's get the switch going
 Seems like the solution all my problems honestly because I have a switch I cannot manage a whole projector setup
 I don't really have a TV at home. So this actually seems like exactly what I would need
 Yeah, I mean, I'm really just a big fan of this in general just because the switch is so easy to use
 I'm just saying I'm not a big fan of this in general just because the switch is already so portable
 But so you're you're focusing it with but I'm just in focus
 There are buttons is actually the thing I don't love about this is that you just click the button like a thousand times to get into focus
 Yeah
 There's no remote there's no projector settings
 That actually both of these projectors have a cool thing where they'll adjust to the angle that you're putting it on
 So it's a level screen
 So if I put it at like an angle it knows how to compensate for that and just keep that
 Unfortunately, it only does that vertically not
 Horizontally so but this is on and we're just gonna drop our switch in just like we would with
 The actual dock
 Extending the fun of Nintendo switch should it oh and here we go. Dang
 You can just jump right in so has built-in speakers. Yeah, it's got built-in speakers
 there's also an aux port if you want to you know extend speakers a bit and
 It's like a regular switch
 And that's
 Yeah, that was like simple simple setup I can see this with the studio. Have you done it?
 Have you tried it in the dark like yeah in the dark. It actually looks pretty good. So this is a
 200 lumen projector
 This one's about a hundred neither of them is
 Outstandingly good like relative to like big professional projectors
 Yeah, jump in I just paused
 I'm using them. It's like super outstanding relative to like actual projectors, but for a small portable projector, you know take on the go
 For playing, you know game of Mario Kart on your rooftop with all your trendy friends
 It's through your sword
 I've heard that third-party docks and things like that have been breaking the switches
 Is that something people need to worry about with something like this?
 I mean, there's always a concern when you're using a third-party accessory on ninety percent sure Nintendo hasn't authorized this one
 I'm more okay with this for a couple reasons. One is even compared to the switch dock. You're putting this in relatively
 If you look you're putting the switch much farther in so there's less chance of it like damaging or scratching up your screen
 And to the issues with the breaking was really I think one specific
 Which I actually have on my desk and have been afraid to plug my switch into for maybe don't do that. Yeah
 This was an Indiegogo project, which is usually kind of a red flag here
 Not even Kickstarter's an Indiegogo project usually more of a red
 This is really shipping but it's really shipping you can go on Amazon and actually order one
 I think they're currently back ordered, but you can order one on Amazon and it'll be shipping with Prime shipping
 I think could be a little bit more expensive
 It's $400, which is the catch. Hmm. That's a lot. On the other hand. This is again. This is kind of, you know, your base model
 This is 350 dollars. This has a battery
 That's one quarter of the size and you can't just drop your switch in and like going back like in the original switch commercial
 They had that like, you know, you trendy hipsters on your roof
 Millennials on your reclaimed warehouse roof in Brooklyn playing through playing switch games
 This is like this is like the the evolution of that dream where not only
 Not only are you showing up at your party like the coolest guy in the world Paul with your switch
 It's ready ready to lead a game of Mario. I do go to a lot of parties
 You're there with your with your
 Giant block projector. Yeah, suddenly everyone's enjoying this
 I've done I have I I'll be honest. I did it in Manhattan. I have lugged a huge projector up to a friend's roof before
 Just to watch Netflix
 Yeah, that was real dedication. So it seems like it'd be easier now with this this kind of thing
 Now this is Android TV. This is a great way. Yeah, he set this up to so how do we turn this off?
 There's a power button on the front
 Is this a switch? Oh switch pun not intended. Sorry. I
 Feel I kind of reviewed this. Yeah
 I had a lot of problems with this remote
 So there's like such a simple room. It looks so simple
 It looks like this remote which is arguably this awful. There's a tiny infrared sensor here right on the back
 And it just it's like a little bit of a
 Direct shot so you doesn't work well with the bank shots and the angle, you know what I mean? Right?
 I guess with like a portable projector. That's more of a concern because
 You're gonna be like moving it around a lot
 Yeah, I mean this just runs Android TV, which is good
 Try this just try this. What's the resolution on this one the chat wants to know so they both have the same resolution
 They both have the same resolution. They both have the same resolution
 They both natively projected 854 by 480 so not like great resolution
 But it's a small battery-powered projector that you can carry in your bag and take anywhere. How many lumens?
 This is 200 lumens. That's 100 lumens. So again, neither of these are breaking any records in terms of projectors
 You're not gonna you know install this in your home theater is your big cinema quality projector
 But if it's a thing that you just stick in a bag and take with you to your cool
 Rooftop parties like if I had this in college, I would have failed out of college. I'm gonna be completely honest here
 Yeah, I have more faith in you
 Yeah
 Okay, let's let's do this
 remote demo
 If it works, I mean I'm literally pointing it directly at it but
 No, there we go we found
 I was about to say, okay
 Maybe I'm just really
 Like I'm back here. I'm already I'm already not getting like I think three feet
 I think three feet for a TV remote is
 Yeah, reasonable statute to expect it to work. The nice thing is there there is an app so you can you can control it over
 Bluetooth
 That works great
 And it's also great for like typing and can you show the app in the overheads?
 So you're just moving around with your finger
 So like the Apple TV app actually, yeah, yeah, this is like a like a cursor kind of thing that's really cool
 You too. So this doesn't have any up at all. There's basically no controls on the on the OYO
 Ojo, whatever we decided to call it
 You can adjust focus with these buttons on top. You can adjust the volume of the internal speaker and that's it
 It is there's no remote at all. There's no remote. There's no controls
 It is designed to be as plug-and-play as the switch
 Itself is like you just drop it in and go and hope everything kind of works. Mm-hmm, and it mostly does
 Would you buy this yourself now that you are have succeeded at college?
 You know upstanding professional citizen. So here's the thing this costs more than a switch does this costs $400
 So you could buy a switch you could buy a second pair of joy con for this way
 And you could buy a game to play on the switch for less than buying
 Yeah, but if you were gonna play on a TV and you had to buy the TV
 That's true. I guess relative to TV
 You can get a really good TV for $400 too
 You can get a really good TV for $400 too
 The amazing television for $400
 So it's definitely more of like a fun luxury if it costs like $200 I could see maybe doing it
 Oh, you also you do just get a huge battery
 Yeah, I mean it is it is basically an $130 battery pack
 Like we had a battery this big for the switch, right? So you are getting that out of it, which isn't bad
 But it's it's definitely still a little expensive at this point
 But it's just a cool like people are finally doing interesting things with the switch
 This is this is the do more things like this developers if you're listening and hopefully Nintendo doesn't break it
 And hopefully Nintendo doesn't break anything. Awesome. Well, hi. I'm thank you so much for coming on now. We're gonna go to
 Don't know maybe a part of the show you probably like a circuit breaker
 Assume people love
 Everyone tell Ashley you like this
 So Jake is gonna talk to us about Android P get ready to speculate in the comments with Jake. Here we go. What's up, Jake?
 Month ago. We put up a first look at Android P when Google released the developer preview and
 Basically all of the comments on YouTube were speculation about what Google is going to name Android P
 It's like that time of the year. It always happens debate over what the next
 Next dessert they'll choose is gonna be for the name of the operating system
 So we fear we just go through some of the favorites that were in the comments and talk them over the first one
 the number one most popular comment was
 Android pancake and I have to tell you all this is actually just a bad. Yes, because it's not a dessert all
 Android operating systems have a name after desserts and pancake is not wait
 I know this is
 Your segment that everybody loves
 Pancakes what about when they have whipped cream on them? Yeah
 If you eat Mickey Mouse pancakes Mickey Mouse, if you know how you shape the pancake, it's still a breakfast
 But if you have a great dinner and someone's like would you like to see the dessert menu?
 It's full of pancakes that are sweet and delightful. You're sorry. I'm sorry. I don't eat my own desserts for dessert
 I think that would be strange if somebody offered you cereal for dessert, which you qualify it as a dessert
 Still breakfast food
 There are better options in pancake
 Not one of them, I just say chocolate chip pancakes are delicious people people in the chat are saying pancake equal breakfast
 Thank you commenters for us. All right. What else we have number two another really popular when we saw
 was
 Popsicle which I think is a very good guess but here's the thing popsicles actually a brand name register trademark of whom?
 The popsicle in people. I don't know
 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and Oreo those are right is possible
 My feeling is like Oreo kick out you recognize those brand names
 I did not even realize that popsicle was a brand name like the generic is ice pop
 So it'd be a lot of work for Google to get the permission for like not right
 I feel like it would not be as like worth it. That's that's my feeling against pops. Okay, what else we got?
 We have some good and bad ones peppermint. It's fine. Thank I'm really I like eating
 Honestly, a lot of people in the chat are saying peppermint really which I'm shocked
 I'm parents really I just think of peppermint patty you like the candy. All right, it's a candy
 Yeah, the little ones those mints are absolutely not dessert. So that is our qualifier here
 No, well, but it's honeycomb a dessert. I
 Mean it's a lame dessert and similarly one of the worst versions of Android. Oh, yeah
 All right. We also have
 Popcorn no, it's not that doesn't count unless you put chocolate
 You can put sugar on literally any food and I don't and you should wow
 We're getting so many crazy ones in here poppy seed muffin
 Oh, that's not an Akata these people are trolling us
 Powder sugar donut
 Someone had pineapple upside down cake. That's all right
 Yeah
 There was a bunch of pineapple suggestions coming up
 We have a bunch of us a potato
 This is I mean a delicious food, but not not working for for a dessert
 Android pie. Yeah, I mean I feel like it's a little short. It feels like you like
 Someone in the chat says pumpkin pie. I have a theory that they might not want to do
 Pecan anything with a double P the alliteration is good
 The alliteration is good
 But if you think everybody abbreviated Android ice cream sandwiches ICS and here you're going Android
 No reason called Android double P. It's gonna be
 That's my only my my reason for why it might not be that and or pineapple we got yeah
 That's a clear fruit. I think fruit is another thing
 Yeah, stash of special ice cream delicious I like this one because think of it do pistachio ice cream sandwich
 Pigs and then say Samsung upgrade to pics or it didn't happen
 Right, you could have a great crowd. There you go marketing campaign. Yeah
 That's what we'll get the manufacturers in law. What about pecan?
 Another nut is it a
 Again, but then pecan I think pecans are traditionally seen of as a dessert in and of themselves
 It's a very expensive. I don't think that's true of any nut
 a
 Lot of oil. Yeah, I and and likewise peanuts are like if you're approaching dessert, you know, you're just
 Warming yourself up
 Thank you to Raphael for
 Yeah, great
 When do we actually find? Yeah, so we actually so Google I O is coming up in a few weeks
 It's the beginning of May. Mm-hmm
 But we're not thinking at the name and Google usually introduces some of the more consumer facing features in the spring
 It'll then put out a public beta so we'll start to get a sense of it
 But pretty much every time they don't actually put out the final name and last year they did like a special event. Yeah, or yeah
 So we're probably not gonna actually find out until
 The fall usually around the time that the pixel comes out. Okay, that'll be around September October
 And that's when we'll get the final name
 Although sometimes they'll you know might do some sort of gimmick around the spring to kind of vote on the name or get people speculating
 So it's not unheard of I will say my favorite one is up here kind of I'm kind of feeling pop tart
 Also in some cases brand name pop tart. Well, it's definitely definitely a brand name. Yeah
 There's a
 Donuts pop pop tart crossovers now at my bodega
 So I know that the pop tart brand is willing to diversity. Okay? Yeah
 I read a pop or shit like an Android really apply expertise this is good. Thank you Paul. This is incredibly helpful
 Please here because
 Dessert
 Desserts, but why are you buying Dunkin Donuts at your bodega? Why are you buying them? You notice at the day?
 I buy these pop. I just have noticed that Dunkin Donuts pop tarts. It's like a vanilla latte pop tart
 Okay. Okay. Okay. All right
 We're down with
 Sean okay, and is here Sean. I'll do what you know, we're good. We're heated. What's going on?
 I have one of the weirdest things I've probably ever reviewed for the verge
 This is the light l16 as you can see
 Yeah, we'll go Paul cam
 This is a camera with 16 cameras on the front of it. Wow. It is quite the thing to behold
 cost two thousand dollars 1950 I'm being a
 bit more accurate and
 Well, you're basically buying 19 cameras
 Yeah, right that's actually not too bad like right a hundred bucks a camera
 Anyways point the way that this works is it's got five twenty eight millimeter wide-angle lenses
 Okay mixed in here five seventy millimeter sort of mid-range lenses and six
 150 millimeter telephoto lenses and these are all essentially the same kinds of camera modules you'd find in a smartphone. So like that size
 You can actually see
 The 150 ones are laid out with mirrors in there and they're making I don't know if you can hear the noise
 But I might be able to get the yeah, there we go. You can see a movie
 It's a focus because they're all coming from sort of slightly different angles so to make sure that you have the subject in focus
 They're all mirrors a little bit
 So yeah, the whole idea with this camera is that it essentially is mimicking
 Having a mirrorless or DSLR camera with a 28 millimeter 250 millimeter zoom and lens
 And the idea being that you know your saving space
 Don't have the giant lens out here
 This is something that you know more easily slips in a bag or a pocket and it's actually simulating all those focal lengths in between
 So if you zoom to 40 millimeters, it's taking multiple camera sensors at the same time
 all
 images from those camera sensors at the same time combining them all on the fly and
 Rendering out something that looks like it would have looked like if it was a 40 millimeter lens. How do you zoom with this?
 So it's got a 5 inch touchscreen LCD on the back
 Camera yeah, let's go
 So you just touch on the screen it's giving me some like haptic feedback right now
 Which is actually kind of nice so, you know for sure that you're zooming if you're not really
 They're pretty responsive. It's pretty smooth. It actually just runs on Android we can show you
 Somehow no, there it is you can just pop out of the camera app and it has like a tray
 So, yeah, I'll take a photo people are saying you're triggering their trip the phobia sure yeah, what is it tripta phobia
 It's like a fear of closely gathered holes, I believe. Yeah
 Don't
 You should go read the review because we're not gonna be able to cover all of this here now because there's a lot to this
 Thing and had a lot of thoughts about it. But yeah, sorry. There's a very tripta phobic triggering
 Really quickly. Wait, can you just take a picture of Ashley? I just want to see it in action like how which one do
 I look at? Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely not the most like it doesn't put your subjects at ease
 I found it pretty good for you know, like street photography
 It's kind of slow and thoughtful when you try to take a lot of it's not it's not like that's pretty nice
 Yeah for in here. And so what you can do is this is showing
 Some sort of like low megabyte preview on the camera. You can actually tap this button to process it. It'll run through
 It'll combine
 What was showing you was one of the images?
 originally tap this process button you give it a few seconds it'll combine and make a
 13 megapixel images image so you can actually see it looked better quality now. There's more detail in the hair
 It's not as like artifact II on her face
 and
 If you have an Android phone you can then
 Bluetooth share it out. Oh, which is nice
 What about if you have an iPhone or an iOS device?
 I phones can't handle Bluetooth file transfers. Yeah, you're kind of screwed the process from getting a photo from this to Instagram
 If you have an iPhone is shoot it on here
 Offloaded under your computer like connect it and put it on your computer run it through their desktop software
 Save it out get it back to your iPhone and then on Instagram. So it's not the most
 Mobile friendly setup. So you said the the version that this can process is like 13 megapixels
 Yes, and then the desktop software can process like a way higher in yes
 So it's capturing so much information because it's capturing from up to ten different cameras at any given time when you take a picture
 And so the ultimate
 Combination of that can be up to 52 megapixels if you run it through the desktop software and you can export that as a
 JPEG you can export that as a DNG raw file and then take it to lightroom and do more fine edits there, which is cool
 Problem is the desktop software is pretty slow
 It's still in beta and I give this company a lot of credit because they've put
 actually a lot of updates out already on both the desktop software and on the
 Software on the camera the firmware
 But yeah, it's you know, it looks like lightroom it's got your film strip here at the bottom
 It's got some basic editing on the sides
 It has some other special effects kind of like what we used to see with that light row camera
 Actually, we have a light row. I was gonna ask you about you can you can sort of mess with the depth effect?
 You can so this like this this camera came out like I don't know six years ago
 And you can take a picture and you could refocus it
 Yeah after the fact thanks to some really interesting product produce of physics
 Yeah
 The problem with this was that they never figured out a way to make it so that that worked
 Like outside of their own proprietary format, you know, I get bad light to his own thing
 So this you end up with an actual this yeah, you could go in here
 It's you know for something that's kind of far away
 It's not really gonna be too great, but you know a closer image you could probably try and blur it
 You can change the f-stop. Yeah, you can change the f-stop to give it some like background blur
 See, it's it's just a little slow
 Like this doesn't look that impressive to me and a lot of people want to know
 Whether this is better than a high-end smartphone one person in particular is asking about the pixel 2
 I know you're gonna get to this but we want to know yeah, so it's hard especially with this
 Um what we're showing here what I found out after you know, that's really bashing my head against this
 This desktop software is that what it's showing us right now is uh is already a sort of dumbed-down preview
 So when you export the image you save it out even as a JPEG
 It'll look a lot better than what we're seeing right now, which is always frustrating
 But at least it's got some better detail than what we're showing you
 Yeah, the depth effects stuff is kind of tough if you didn't have the thing that you wanted in focus right in focus
 It's gonna kind of be a little bit rough
 But the quality is you know in sunlight it can actually be pretty great
 In low light it can impress too. It's it's always a little bit maybe more than a smartphone when it gets it, right
 Just because it's working with so much more image image data
 It's just never really clearing the bar
 It's never really making that leap from smartphone to like a mirrorless camera an APS-C sensor camera
 and and the process of working with these images is just like
 It's you can see it's like loading every time I pull and it's gonna do that because it's really
 It's reassembling these on the fly, which is like really frustrating. So like you gotta wait for it to sort of pop in
 That's pretty nice. That's pretty good. But like you zoom in it's got to reassemble it. That looks great if you make an edit
 It block you can see it like blocking in the changes
 So that's just like a real big choke point for it. And what I found is that you know, it's
 It can really impress you some of the images it takes can be really great
 But it's kind of in the same way that like pictures from my iPhone can be really great
 And it's not certainly is like a consumer product. I don't think it really justifies the price
 Even though it performs better than I think I thought it would it I just found myself
 Frustrated with it. Can you think of someone this would be useful for or is it just a tech demo?
 It's just like a hint at the future of camera, you know if it had more mobile features like if you could really get it
 You know really hook it up through like a mobile app to your smartphone if it had that sort of pipeline
 If it was a little bit better in fast situations
 You know, it's actually really not that far off like we saw the first prototype of this thing back in 2015 October 2015
 I think and it was at that point. It was like still just it was like
 The circuit board of like all the camera modules and like the things weren't even connected
 Like it's really crazy how far it's come and it's a polished piece of hardware
 So it's actually not too far off and I think you know that they're making
 Changes to the software on the desktop and on the camera is a good sign like the people who do buy this are gonna see
 It get better. Okay, because it is so software-based, which is also happening to smartphone cameras. Yeah, it's like a
 I mean, I think there are people I don't think that you should go out and buy this camera as opposed to
 Like the premise that they that they lay out that this could replace sort of like a camera bags worth of lenses doesn't really hold
 Up like you're still gonna be better off the difference between this and like a Fujifilm XT 20 with a zoom lens on it
 Space-wise actually isn't that great?
 Like and you're gonna get far more reliable consistent quality out of that or a camera like that
 Where this really is, you know, it's not like it's not gonna be as good as the XT 20
 And I don't think it's going to be as good as the XT 20
 So what I'm saying is if you're looking at a smartphone that's not as powerful or as good as the XT 20
 Then you're gonna have to buy it and you're gonna have to buy a XT 20
 where this really makes sense is like in a
 in the context of smartphones and I think that's really what their goal what was with this was
 prove that this works and I think they did I'm really impressed that like the cameras didn't misalign or you know, like the
 Software works the way it does
 millimeter zoom on your smartphone without it being digital.
 That's really crazy.
 So is that kind of like the future we're starting to see with, for example, just the iPhone
 with the dual cameras?
 Obviously, like everyone's getting dual cameras.
 The P20 Pro's got 4,000 cameras.
 Yeah, I think-
 Triple selfie cameras.
 I totally think this is where this is all heading.
 Like Google's already doing crazy work with software on its Pixel phones with just one
 camera.
 And so the more cameras we see on these phones, if you get companies that know how to handle
 the software to do sort of tricky things like this, I think we're going to see a big explosion
 in value there because they're just so... The physical limitations of building a camera
 the size that fits in a smartphone are so concrete that we're already up against them.
 You can't really get the aperture any lower.
 You can't really get a bigger sensor in there.
 So something like this is a really good idea.
 And I know that they've been in talks with some smartphone makers.
 They've been telling me that they're hopefully going to have a phone out this year that uses
 this technology.
 I think like Lytro, we saw them making those promises back in 2015.
 They're not even promises, but proposing that idea.
 And it took them until 2018 to really get it out in front of people.
 And maybe they missed the boat now because now there is the Huawei P20 with three cameras.
 We are starting to see this coming.
 In 2015, it was rare to think about multiple cameras on the back of a smartphone.
 Now we're getting it as a... It's table stakes, right?
 But I'm excited to see this idea keep going forward in the smartphone sort of form factor.
 I also think some other really crazy stuff's going to come as well.
 If you think... Where is it?
 There are a lot of 360 cameras out right now.
 I don't really think there's a lot of value in them, but something like this, which is
 the Rilo camera.
 What it does is lets you basically just capture 360 degrees and then reframe your shot on
 the fly on your phone.
 How much is this?
 I think this is 300.
 GoPro is doing the same thing with its Fusion camera.
 We're not far off from getting this down like this, getting this down into a form factor
 that fits on your smartphone, and then all of a sudden you're using your front-facing
 camera or your rear-facing camera to take a 360 spear, and then you just figure out
 how you wanted to frame it later.
 I think there's some really cool stuff coming to the mobile space with these as indications
 of it as far as consumer products go.
 Not quite.
 Bad.
 I think it's so cool that they pulled this off.
 I did want to put this in my pocket.
 I know we got to move along.
 You mentioned it was-
 I will tell you, I'm the clumsiest person in the world.
 I have somehow not broken the glass on the front of this thing or scratched it.
 Well, Paul's going to break it for you right now.
 There you go.
 Good work, Paul.
 In Paul's pocket.
 Super slick.
 In the pocket.
 Looks great.
 And you wouldn't be able to do that with a zoom lens.
 That's right.
 That's right.
 Awesome.
 Take that zoom lenses.
 All right, Sean.
 Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.
 This is sick.
 Glad we got to demo it.
 And now everyone's favorite part of the show.
 Oh, that's right.
 It is everybody's favorite.
 I was just trying to queue it up for you.
 Other than maybe ask circuit breaker, I did another explain yourself this time.
 It's about space law with Lauren Grush.
 Space X's Earth views need a license now.
 Probably thanks to the Tesla stunt.
 Blame Noah and a 26 year old law by Lauren Grush, space expert.
 It doesn't say that, but I know.
 Okay, Lauren.
 Explain yourself.
 Lauren Grush.
 I want to know the truth about space law.
 There's a lot to go over.
 What do you want to talk about?
 Well, I read this article on the verge that you wrote about how Tesla was in trouble for
 taking video in space.
 Kind of.
 Because it's illegal to take pictures of the Earth.
 Kind of, not illegal.
 Basically you have to get a license from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
 if you want to take pictures of or video of Earth from orbit.
 It's known as remote sensing.
 So if you have a satellite and you want to take pictures of the ground, you have to get
 a license first from NOAA.
 And SpaceX was not getting any of these licenses because they've been just putting cameras
 on their rockets.
 But everybody saw Starman in space, so it kind of got people's attention.
 So this is like to stop people from spying or something.
 Right.
 It's based off an old law that the US was concerned that maybe a US company would put
 up a satellite and they could go take pictures of troops overseas and then sell that information
 to a foreign entity.
 But we're getting to a point where there's so many different companies putting stuff
 into space and they have all these different capabilities that there's debate about whether
 or not the law is necessary anymore or if we should update it.
 So this got me thinking.
 What other space laws am I...
 I'm just thinking, let's say I built a rocket that can go to space.
 And I get in the rocket and I go to space, who's going to arrest me?
 Well first you need a license from the Federal Aviation Administration because you want to
 make sure that your rocket does not hurt anybody on the ground or destroy anybody's house.
 That's very important to me.
 Very important.
 You need a license from the FCC to have access to the radio spectrum in order to communicate
 with your vehicle while it's launching and if you're putting a satellite into orbit.
 And then if you were going to take pictures of Earth, you would need an extra license
 from NOAA as well.
 But other than that, I'm totally clear I can do whatever I want?
 I mean, you do have to go through a payload review through the FAA.
 If you are bold about your intentions of messing stuff up in space, the State Department will
 probably step in and say no.
 What if I build such a good rocket?
 Such a good rocket.
 What if I go to the moon or to Mars?
 I've heard at least maybe the moon.
 It's kind of like Antarctica.
 The U.S. has these obligations under a treaty known as the Outer Space Treaty and they don't
 want to mess, they don't want to get other countries mad at them.
 So if you're going to the moon or Mars, the U.S. is going to want to know that you're
 adhering to certain parts of the treaty.
 So for one thing, planetary protection is a big one.
 You don't want to contaminate other places with your human germs because that can be
 really bad for studying these places.
 Or what if you introduce some weird space bug that grows out of control and then comes
 back and hurts us later on?
 What if I just want to plant some potatoes?
 You probably need to talk to the State Department about that.
 Why even go to space?
 If there's going to be all these laws, why even try?
 Well, it doesn't fit in like the wild west.
 You have these laws for how to get to space, but then once you're up there, there's not
 a lot of regulation.
 SpaceX has been putting cameras on its rockets for how long and the National Oceanic and
 Atmospheric Administration just noticed and was like, oh, that's probably not okay.
 So what you're recommending is that I just try to fly under the radar and try not to
 get caught.
 I did not make that recommendation.
 I officially did not make that recommendation.
 Cool, well thank you, Lauren.
 I'm going to go to the next question.
 Oh my God, no!
 That was explain yourself.
 I think we really got to the bottom of whatever we just talked about.
 We're back and Jake is here.
 I returned.
 Hey, Jake.
 He's back on the other side.
 No hard feelings about the desserts.
 Well some of us were right.
 I brought you something not Android related.
 These are speakers from IKEA.
 They're IKEA's very first Bluetooth speakers, which is also just kind of weird because IKEA
 does technology now and this has been increasing over the past few years.
 Several years ago, they started building Qi wireless chargers into things.
 You get like a lamp that you could put your phone on and it would charge.
 They didn't really look that good, but you could do it.
 Then like a year or so ago, they released some wireless light.
 They actually had a whole system, had this hub, had this weird dimmer thing.
 I tested it out, didn't work great, but it was one of the cheapest options you could
 get, which is really what IKEA has been doing.
 It's been trying to just bring smart technology down to a lower price.
 Makes sense, it's IKEA.
 And now they're starting to get into speakers.
 These are the first Bluetooth speakers.
 We know they're partnering with Sonos in the future.
 So I think next year, we're expecting probably some Wi-Fi speakers that have Sonos compatibility
 or something like that.
 They're also working with Teenage Engineering on some more stylish audio gear.
 This is the start.
 They're not listening to you with these ones.
 These are dumb?
 No.
 These are, yeah, these are Bluetooth only.
 These are the dumb speakers.
 There's no microphones, no smart assistant.
 You can plug your phone into it or you can hook it up wirelessly and that is it.
 And these are really bare bones products.
 This one's $49.
 This one is $89.
 Are they meant to be portable?
 What's interesting is this one has to be plugged in.
 This one comes with a power cord.
 It's plugged in by default.
 But this is IKEA, it's kind of modular and weird as you would kind of expect.
 So what you can actually do is, there's this slot in the bottom.
 We have this coin here.
 And you can actually plug a battery pack.
 I think I locked it instead of opening it.
 There's this giant slot for a battery pack to be plugged in.
 What?
 Yeah.
 I'm gonna pull it out for you.
 And it's like, it basically looks like a portable battery for your phone with look and it's
 specifically designed for this though.
 And that's another $20.
 So if you want to use this wirelessly, you have to buy that.
 Or you can pay more for the...
 Yeah, which I mean is kind of a neat feature that you can add that on.
 But also then you're getting into like a kind of a pricier range.
 And sort of the thing that I've been wondering is, what exactly is the target market for
 IKEA speaker?
 I don't know who buys it.
 Maybe we should just talk about like how these sound before we get into it.
 Yeah, I want to see.
 And someone does want to know, do you have to build them?
 I am very excited about this part.
 So there is the hex switch.
 There's a limited amount of assembly.
 There's a handle.
 Okay.
 This is the real thing.
 This is going to take a while.
 This is going to take a while.
 But I'm going to put this in the lunchbox.
 There's some really, really basic assembly.
 This one has a handle you can put on.
 Both of them have these detachable front covers.
 I actually think they look way better without them because then you can see the speakers
 on the front.
 There's three drivers on this one too and that one.
 You kind of just really have to dig in there.
 This fabric cover, it feels very like it's trying to be with that trend like the Google...
 Like athleisure.
 Yeah.
 And it looks a little bit like the Echo and stuff, but it's not really working for me
 on these.
 These are very like IKEA bare bones basic style.
 I'm sure that these are designed to fit inside your cube IKEA storage units.
 Everything fits together.
 Exactly.
 And it very much seems to be like you're already at IKEA, you're already shopping and like
 I need a speaker.
 So we kind of listened to them earlier and our opinions were mixed.
 I've got Vergecast queued up on here.
 It's playing on this one.
 Yeah.
 This is probably not going to be the most demonstrative thing, but it's going to be
 the least one to get us demonetized or whatever on YouTube.
 So they don't get super loud.
 They get like loud enough probably, but they sort of get distorted at a higher noise.
 Paul, you think they're awful.
 I think is that an accurate description?
 I really, really hated, especially over Bluetooth.
 I do agree with you that once you plug it in with an audio jack, which you know, good
 luck to you, I think it sounds a lot better.
 Yeah.
 I feel like over Bluetooth compression, it sounds so sloppy and it's kind of a painful
 tiny like a like a, just the bass.
 These don't pair with each other or anything, right?
 It's purely just one off.
 Yeah, no, it's one off.
 Like you connect to this, you have like one in your room and that's it.
 Let me see if I can play something else for like two seconds.
 That will be a little bit clearer as music.
 Can you also show us how this knob works?
 I just want to see someone use the knob.
 Yeah, the knob.
 I mean, it's, it's spin it, have fun.
 That's what it's there for.
 Like
 The bass is really intense.
 I love Drake.
 And I'm sure his label loves are playing him here.
 We're big fans.
 Yeah, it's fun.
 It's fun.
 This is commentary.
 It's just like 15 seconds.
 I mean, that bass was really intense though.
 It's true.
 Yeah, I don't know.
 I feel like these will work for fun.
 If like if you just like need music for a party.
 I don't think this is like for for close listening.
 If you're an audio file, this isn't for you.
 But I feel like if you're buying your speakers at IKEA, you're not trying to close listen.
 You're just like, this will look good in my room.
 It can do the bare minimum, which is paired my phone and play music.
 Yeah, it seems like I need a speaker for my bedroom.
 I don't know if you have a bedroom already.
 Yeah, exactly.
 I think this would work for that.
 But at that price range, you probably could get a better Bluetooth.
 Right.
 That's the thing.
 This is $89.
 And I'm not sure.
 It's like a weird balance.
 Like this one's this is not portable either.
 You can probably get a pretty good portable one like at these prices, too.
 So it's it's definitely a weird trade off.
 I think like the Google Home and the Echo, what they make, they lack in like as perfect
 speakers.
 They have like really high quality audio because it's all coming over Wi-Fi.
 Like that is another really good point.
 You're not going to spend as much time Bluetoothing to them.
 Of course, they can cost a little bit more.
 Yeah, but I do think these both of these speakers sound way better with an aux cable.
 Yeah, we're talking about this.
 Hot tips from Carl himself.
 It's weird because you could like upgrade these by plugging in like a Chromecast audio
 or connecting like an Echo Dot or something.
 Echo Dot with this is not bad.
 But then at that point, like you're spending so much on these things.
 Why didn't I just get like a normal Echo?
 I don't know if that would really be so much better.
 We haven't done necessarily an in-depth listening test on either of these yet.
 But mostly, I just want to see, Paul, how does it look when you just carry it?
 I don't know.
 Do I look like a cool, just go out and go to the beach?
 You're ready to go to the party.
 I was going to the train the other day.
 There was a guy with four Bluetooth speaker, like capsule speakers hanging around his neck
 like a chain.
 It was amazing.
 That is you could pull that off with two of those.
 You think so?
 Yeah, just right there.
 Well, Jake, thank you for bringing on these speakers.
 Are they out yet or anything?
 Yeah.
 These are entering stores now.
 I think you might have to buy them online because they're in limited quantities at the
 moment.
 But these are going to be in IKEA stores.
 Did we say what they're called?
 Oh, they're called Inebi.
 I mean, I don't know.
 Roll off the tongue.
 As many name of an IKEA product really.
 Inebi, Inib, Inib.
 Inebi 20 and 30.
 Okay.
 Right.
 Inebi.
 There's no accent marks.
 No umblats.
 All caps.
 Okay.
 All caps.
 Inebi.
 Inib.
 Inib.
 Inib.
 Yeah.
 Awesome.
 All right.
 Well, that's it for Circuit Breaker Live.
 Thanks for watching and we'll see you next week.
 Same time, same place.
 Bye.
 Later.
 Hey, Paul again.
 And I've just been trying to think of a good name for a spaceship company.
 Paul's Astronaut Upsending Launcher.
 It upsends, it launches astronauts.
 Paul.
 Yeah, I'll just call it Paul.
 All right.
 Cool.
 Thanks.
 Thanks, everybody.
 Thanks, everybody.