 Hello. Welcome to the Verge Mobile show where we talk about mobile. This is episode 27 for the week of November 26, 2012. We have our entire team here which is very, very exciting. Let's sound off who we are because that's how we start podcasts now. I am Dieter Bohn. I am Vlad Savo. I am Dan Seifert. My name is Chris Sigler. I don't know about you guys, but I am just an angry, cranky, hot mess. It's going to show on the show a little bit today. We're going to argue, I feel. Chris, are you ready to argue and be cranky? I'm going to take you down. I'm going to tear you limb from limb. You're going to be a bloody corpse by the end of this show. Wow. Maybe I'll be a zombie and I'll rise again. I'm not going anywhere with this. As I said, this is a new show. What is the holiday weekend for you guys in America? How come you come back all stressed out and frazzled and ready to fight? Because I'm off my regular circadian rhythm. I'm off my habit of working all day and then going to sleep and waking up and working again and drinking somewhere in there, usually after work. Today, before work, no. See, I told you I was off my game. My Thanksgiving was actually really good. I've got a new niece. I got to see her and got to hang out with my brother, my sister, my parents, in-laws. Well, actually they're not in-laws. My sister is in-laws. It was a ton of people. Do you guys have good Thanksgivings? I did. We actually hosted it here at our house, which was an experience, but it went okay and we didn't burn the house down. I guess we could say that was a success. Mine was legit. I got an iPad mini with LTE over the holiday, which is pretty awesome. I love how Dieter and I lead with, we have the families here, the meals were good, blah, blah, blah. Chris is like, yeah, I bought myself an iPad mini with LTE. I think Chris is the only one who actually spoke to our audience. Nobody else really gives a damn about families or about anything else we do. Right. Besides, a good LTE network is like the warm embrace of a family member. I could really do one of those right now because at the moment I am connected to the internet essentially by a shoestring. I'm using my phone's hotspot, which may or may not let me down during this podcast. Because Virgin Media, as usual, provider of cable internet, which is supposed to be rock solid and reliable, is stinking right now. I have to bring up what's going on in the chat for the Virgin Mobile show right now. If you're not watching us live, you're really missing out because everybody is laying out all the specs for the proposed Nexus Kine device. I got to say it sounds pretty awesome. That sounds horrible. Just by name it sounds horrible. Regular SD cards. Look, the... That would be great. Full size SIM cards. The Nexus One is the best one factor device ever created. Nexus One? Bring back the track ball. Excuse me, the Kine one, not the Nexus One. The Kine one is the best form factor of any device ever created. When I had a Palm Pre, I thought what would really make this device would be if you just smooshed it. That would really have nailed that device and the Kine one really, really won. Yes! Thank you, Dan. I've got a veer that I could grab if you really want. We could debate the merits of tiny little sliding devices. Actually, speaking of operating systems that probably don't have a real chance in the market, we finally got a look at Sailfish, which is from a group of people called Jolla. I think they pronounce it Yalla. Yalla? I'd like to pronounce it Hala. I want to pronounce it Hoya. No, I mean we can only refer to this company as Hala. J-O-L-L-A. It is based on MeeGo. I think out of everybody here, Vlad probably has the most affinity for this OS. We can let him break it down, what we saw. That's great, because I haven't seen it yet. Let's break down... I can sum it up in one sentence. It looks like something you could do with a custom Android lock screen in 2010. Wow, that's hard, man. Well, I mean, it's just... I don't know. Actually, there's something that... BlackBerry 10 is still from MeeGo, and so this is also based on MeeGo, and so there's live tiles for your active apps, and then left and right swipes and whatever. I mean, it looks fine, but where is it going to go? It'll run Android apps. Yeah, you know what else runs Android apps? The PlayBook. Android. That really worked really well. Well, the PlayBook you have to submit. They're just going to do it straight, I believe, is the plan, so you don't have to submit... The thing that's crazy about this is I'm pretty sure that they're releasing developer kits and all that other stuff, but they're also planning to release their own hardware for it, if I am not mistaken, which is kind of insane to think. Sorry, I just realized that we had two different lads in the hangout at the same time, because he disconnected and reconnected, which is pretty amazing, actually. I mean, look, this Windows phone, BlackBerry 10... Yes, I'm back at Sojubama Connection, guys....and a lag in your connection, too. We've been talking for like 15 minutes about you, and you just caught up. Yeah, I guess. I would like to see a viable third ecosystem, and I do think that Windows phone still has the best chance. I'm just putting that out there. To absolute silence. Let's move on. I think, Dieter, you've probably seen BlackBerry 10 more than any of us, but I guess we haven't seen it on the marketplace yet. And we won't until January 30th or shortly thereafter, depending on if they can actually pull off the real launch. Let's just talk about it now, since it came up. We got to interview Torsten Heinz along with a whole lot of other people who really made the rounds, and we didn't really learn a whole lot new about BlackBerry 10. They're planning on having a couple of surprises for the launch. They're probably going to be related to the services that they're going to use for media. Hopefully it's something interesting, but probably it won't be. And what's really interesting to me is that Verumus sort of got these plans. Heinz keeps talking about the future of mobile computing, and I think that's a really interesting thing to see. And if BlackBerry 10 is even a little bit successful, then they're planning on trying to be the defacto tablet OS for enterprise and seriously taking on Microsoft. I mean, Heinz wouldn't say I'm taking on Microsoft, but you read between the lines, and it's like, wow, that's really insanely ambitious. How is that ambitious? Microsoft has no traction whatsoever. I don't think that's... No, he's not talking about it in phones. He's talking about in computing period. He thinks that BlackBerry 10 on a tablet can just be your computer. Okay. I don't want to say anything terribly negative, especially since I haven't seen BlackBerry 10 on a tablet. Nobody has. Yeah. My skeptic punditry is raging right now because I don't see that happening at all. I'm kind of afraid to pitch in because I don't even know how long my lag is over here. Just do it, man. I'm just seeing still frames of Dieter and Dan every three or four seconds. Chris is just keeping it legit, and he's just staring down his screen. No, but Heinz's quote is we're going to be a major player and leader. I'm not talking about this. Go. I'm with you guys. I'm following. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you.
 Hello. Welcome to the Verge Mobile show where we talk about mobile. This is episode 27 for
 the week of November 26, 2012. We have our entire team here which is very, very exciting.
 Let's sound off who we are because that's how we start podcasts now. I am Dieter Bohn.
 I am Vlad Savo. I am Dan Seifert. My name is Chris Sigler. I don't know about you guys,
 but I am just an angry, cranky, hot mess. It's going to show on the show a little bit
 today. We're going to argue, I feel. Chris, are you ready to argue and be cranky? I'm
 going to take you down. I'm going to tear you limb from limb. You're going to be a bloody
 corpse by the end of this show. Wow. Maybe I'll be a zombie and I'll rise again. I'm
 not going anywhere with this. As I said, this is a new show.
 What is the holiday weekend for you guys in America? How come you come back all stressed
 out and frazzled and ready to fight?
 Because I'm off my regular circadian rhythm. I'm off my habit of working all day and then
 going to sleep and waking up and working again and drinking somewhere in there, usually after
 work. Today, before work, no. See, I told you I was off my game. My Thanksgiving was
 actually really good. I've got a new niece. I got to see her and got to hang out with
 my brother, my sister, my parents, in-laws. Well, actually they're not in-laws. My sister
 is in-laws. It was a ton of people. Do you guys have good Thanksgivings?
 I did. We actually hosted it here at our house, which was an experience, but it went okay
 and we didn't burn the house down. I guess we could say that was a success.
 Mine was legit. I got an iPad mini with LTE over the holiday, which is pretty awesome.
 I love how Dieter and I lead with, we have the families here, the meals were good, blah,
 blah, blah. Chris is like, yeah, I bought myself an iPad mini with LTE.
 I think Chris is the only one who actually spoke to our audience. Nobody else really
 gives a damn about families or about anything else we do.
 Right. Besides, a good LTE network is like the warm embrace of a family member.
 I could really do one of those right now because at the moment I am connected to the internet
 essentially by a shoestring. I'm using my phone's hotspot, which may or may not let
 me down during this podcast. Because Virgin Media, as usual, provider of cable internet,
 which is supposed to be rock solid and reliable, is stinking right now.
 I have to bring up what's going on in the chat for the Virgin Mobile show right now.
 If you're not watching us live, you're really missing out because everybody is laying out
 all the specs for the proposed Nexus Kine device. I got to say it sounds pretty awesome.
 That sounds horrible. Just by name it sounds horrible.
 Regular SD cards. Look, the...
 That would be great. Full size SIM cards.
 The Nexus One is the best one factor device ever created.
 Nexus One? Bring back the track ball.
 Excuse me, the Kine one, not the Nexus One. The Kine one is the best form factor of any
 device ever created.
 When I had a Palm Pre, I thought what would really make this device would be if you just
 smooshed it. That would really have nailed that device and the Kine one really, really
 won.
 Yes! Thank you, Dan.
 I've got a veer that I could grab if you really want. We could debate the merits of tiny little
 sliding devices. Actually, speaking of operating systems that probably don't have a real chance
 in the market, we finally got a look at Sailfish, which is from a group of people called Jolla.
 I think they pronounce it Yalla.
 Yalla? I'd like to pronounce it Hala.
 I want to pronounce it Hoya.
 No, I mean we can only refer to this company as Hala. J-O-L-L-A. It is based on MeeGo.
 I think out of everybody here, Vlad probably has the most affinity for this OS. We can
 let him break it down, what we saw.
 That's great, because I haven't seen it yet.
 Let's break down...
 I can sum it up in one sentence. It looks like something you could do with a custom
 Android lock screen in 2010.
 Wow, that's hard, man. Well, I mean, it's just... I don't know. Actually, there's something
 that... BlackBerry 10 is still from MeeGo, and so this is also based on MeeGo, and so
 there's live tiles for your active apps, and then left and right swipes and whatever. I
 mean, it looks fine, but where is it going to go? It'll run Android apps.
 Yeah, you know what else runs Android apps? The PlayBook.
 Android.
 That really worked really well.
 Well, the PlayBook you have to submit. They're just going to do it straight, I believe, is
 the plan, so you don't have to submit...
 The thing that's crazy about this is I'm pretty sure that they're releasing developer kits
 and all that other stuff, but they're also planning to release their own hardware for
 it, if I am not mistaken, which is kind of insane to think.
 Sorry, I just realized that we had two different lads in the hangout at the same time, because
 he disconnected and reconnected, which is pretty amazing, actually. I mean, look, this
 Windows phone, BlackBerry 10...
 Yes, I'm back at Sojubama Connection, guys.
...and a lag in your connection, too. We've been talking for like 15 minutes about you,
 and you just caught up.
 Yeah, I guess.
 I would like to see a viable third ecosystem, and I do think that Windows phone still has
 the best chance. I'm just putting that out there. To absolute silence. Let's move on.
 I think, Dieter, you've probably seen BlackBerry 10 more than any of us, but I guess we haven't
 seen it on the marketplace yet.
 And we won't until January 30th or shortly thereafter, depending on if they can actually
 pull off the real launch. Let's just talk about it now, since it came up. We got to
 interview Torsten Heinz along with a whole lot of other people who really made the rounds,
 and we didn't really learn a whole lot new about BlackBerry 10. They're planning on having
 a couple of surprises for the launch. They're probably going to be related to the services
 that they're going to use for media. Hopefully it's something interesting, but probably it
 won't be.
 And what's really interesting to me is that Verumus sort of got these plans. Heinz keeps
 talking about the future of mobile computing, and I think that's a really interesting thing
 to see. And if BlackBerry 10 is even a little bit successful, then they're planning on trying
 to be the defacto tablet OS for enterprise and seriously taking on Microsoft. I mean,
 Heinz wouldn't say I'm taking on Microsoft, but you read between the lines, and it's like,
 wow, that's really insanely ambitious.
 How is that ambitious? Microsoft has no traction whatsoever. I don't think that's...
 No, he's not talking about it in phones. He's talking about in computing period. He thinks
 that BlackBerry 10 on a tablet can just be your computer.
 Okay. I don't want to say anything terribly negative, especially since I haven't seen
 BlackBerry 10 on a tablet.
 Nobody has.
 Yeah. My skeptic punditry is raging right now because I don't see that happening at
 all.
 I'm kind of afraid to pitch in because I don't even know how long my lag is over here.
 Just do it, man.
 I'm just seeing still frames of Dieter and Dan every three or four seconds.
 Chris is just keeping it legit, and he's just staring down his screen.
 No, but Heinz's quote is we're going to be a major player and leader.
 I'm not talking about this.
 Go.
 I'm with you guys. I'm following.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.
 I'm with you.