Renewable energy is not renewable energy. It’s only renewable electricity. Wind and solar can only produce electricity. They can’t produce the thousands and thousands of products that come out of fossil fuels. […] The situation is electrical is fine for some items, but electrical doesn’t support aviation, the military cruise ships, merchant ships. … It actually gets worse, because the compliance cost with some of these environmental regulations [in California] is getting more and more expensive, so it’s going up.