[speaker001:] I run uh usually a couple of times a week um because I I'm at I'm a student at Rice University and so I can just sort of run a loop around the campus which is about three miles
[speaker002:] good
[speaker001:] and um that's sort of I guess it's probably the most common thing I do for exercise the other thing I do is um I try and play racquetball a couple of times a week with um a friend
[speaker002:] um-hum Bill do you feel safe running across the campus
[speaker001:] uh yeah actually if I do it uh certainly at night I feel I mean sorry not at night I feel perfectly safe at night I usually do it with someone else
[speaker002:] um-hum well the area immediately north of you and immediately west of you is not a very good area
[speaker001:] well let's see um north is sort of the meandrous area which is not uh it's not too bad as far as crime goes I think I mean it's not really great
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] um south is the area that's really crime ridden that's sort of the south main area um
[speaker002:] okay the south main yes okay I know what you're talking about
[speaker001:] yeah so that that's not too great but the um I usually feel pretty safe around the campus itself uh the uh Rice has their own police department and they're pretty aggressive about
[speaker002:] um-hum well you've got pretty good fencing around your parameter parameter
[speaker001:] no actually we don't we don't have fences it's just uh a tall hedge so
[speaker002:] okay well
[speaker001:] but uh yeah it does yeah at least it's a psychological barrier so
[speaker002:] I know you have some separation because my uh son went to Saint Thomas for uh a year and and uh we drove over and looked at Rice with the reason we thought there might some possibilities of of changing but anyway uh I was very impressed with the campus
[speaker001:] yeah it's really it's a pretty a beautiful campus especially considering it's in the middle of the ugly city like Houston but uh
[speaker002:] yeah uh my exercise program I used I did run uh for several reasons I now do mostly walking uh one was that I had a knee injury I stepped in a in a crack or a whole twisted my knee and it was very painful
[speaker001:] hm yeah
[speaker002:] and the other is I'm getting older now so it makes more sense to walk than it does to run
[speaker001:] yeah I can um one of the reasons I run uh probably the biggest reason either run or play racquetball I mean either of them is um because if I don't get exercise I don't I don't sleep well and I just don't feel as good I just feel kind of yucky
[speaker002:] um-hum well the emotional the emotional benefits of running are almost as good as the physical benefits I use it as stress relief
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that too I mean uh the um but the reason why I noticed you were talking about walking I I don't if I walk I'd have to walk like ten miles I think to you know for it to really sort of get the same benefit as running if I run uh really hard
[speaker002:] yeah  um-hum that's true
[speaker001:] and that that may just be that may just be me or you know whatever I'm sure I'm sure when I get older I'll probably I'll be more of a workout but
[speaker002:] yeah  well I walk forty five I walk forty five to fifty minutes
[speaker001:] that's pretty good yeah
[speaker002:] which is uh between two and three miles at a at a fairly comfortable uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] the last time I was doing an aggressive running program I was in graduate school about um oh it's I guess it's been ten years ago now but uh anyway I was doing I was running three miles a day five times a week and that
[speaker001:] wow that that that's a fair amount that's more than I do by a considerable amount
[speaker002:] well that was that was because I was in graduate school and I was doing about a sixty hour week
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and I had to do all this to play it you know to get things under control
[speaker001:] yeah yeah no I understand that I mean I I sometimes you know feel like uh well one reason another another reason why I run rather than do something like walk is uh it takes a long time
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] because it's sort of the same work out but but yeah I can I sort of you know am able to you know sleep better and and be more uh more alert um when I'm you know when I am awake if I if I exercise regularly so it really it's kind of like an investment that pays off
[speaker002:] I've never tried the handball do you find that helps you a lot
[speaker001:] well I mean it's kind of it's it's you know it's good exercise especially when you get good at it because you the idea is to make the other player run to where he's not I mean you hit the ball it's kind of like tennis in that sense but you're not chasing always chasing after the ball um
[speaker002:] um-hum yes I yes
[speaker001:] but uh the reason why I do like that a little bit better than running if I can find uh you know people to play with because it's more it's more interesting I mean there's you know like a game aspect to it as well as just sort of the exercise
[speaker002:] um-hum right and as long as you keep moving you have the aerobic effect and I I'm sure if you have a half way good player you do keep running
[speaker001:] yeah oh yeah yeah yeah and it took a little it took a little while to to get good I mean the first you know I don't know two or three weeks of playing uh you know to I didn't really get that great of work out but but it now I it's pretty good
[speaker002:] um-hum I used to uh years ago play tennis but again uh as you get older tennis is pretty rough on the knees I'm sure handball would be also
[speaker001:] yeah I can I can understand knee problems because I've found I haven't had trouble with it this year but in past years when I've you know done only running and not racquetball um my
[speaker002:] um-hum