[speaker001:] I'm sorry, um
[speaker002:] That's okay, I didn't hear.
[speaker001:] hobbies.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Let me see, I don't know if that took or not, I'll do it again.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] [Beep] Okay. What are your hobbies? I hear you have kids, right?
[speaker002:] You heard her in the background [LAUGHTER]. That's babies.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] That's your full time, uh, hobby, right?
[speaker002:] Takes a lot of time, huh. I like, uh, most sports. I like to do that. I kind of like to do a little bit of sewing.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Oh, little bit of embroidery work, once in a while.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] What do you like to do?
[speaker001:] Um, I try to do some painting, although I'm not very good at it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, I'm sure you probably are.
[speaker001:] Well, no, not [LAUGHTER] really.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] You like it, that's the main.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I, I have, you know, I inherited the genes that make me think I'm creative,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] but not the ones that give me the ability to be.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] So, I always try.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I, I do some sewing, mostly out of necessity. Um, I'm making drapes for my house, just because I'm,
[speaker002:] Oh, boy, that's hard sewing.
[speaker001:] Yeah, well, it isn't and it is. It is, you know, actually the sewing isn't the hard part, it's just being able to lay out the material and measure it
[speaker002:] Measure it and get it to,
[speaker001:] because you need so much room.
[speaker002:] Well, if it, it depends on how elaborate you get it. If you get pleats and all kinds of,
[speaker001:] Yeah, I've been doing that and,
[speaker002:] That's a lot of work.
[speaker001:] That, yeah, that, but usually have to do the pleats by hand. So that, at least
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] I can do, you know, watching T V or whatever but,
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] Yeah, and I've, I've gone and, you know, put the needle through my thumb a few times [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] trying to get it through but,
[speaker002:] That feels really good.
[speaker001:] Yeah, so that's not really my favorite thing to do or anything, but I, I need to do it.
[speaker002:] To do it, right.
[speaker001:] I have, let's see, I have a dog, and a lot of fish. Keeping fish, I guess
[speaker002:] Keeping fish.
[speaker001:] is my biggest hobby.
[speaker002:] Well, they're probably easier than keeping dogs, though, aren't they.
[speaker001:] Um, yes and no. It depends on how frequently they die, and
[speaker002:] Oh, no.
[speaker001:] how much that bothers you.
[speaker002:] How much that bothers you, and you probably have to clean out the tank too.
[speaker001:] That's, you don't have to do as much as, as I thought. In fact, my problem, I had fish as a kid and they always died
[speaker002:] Oh, no.
[speaker001:] immediately, and, what, I'm, what I think now is the reason is I kept the tank too clean
[speaker002:] Oh, you're kidding
[speaker001:] because you have,
[speaker002:] because they need to have a little bit of the,
[speaker001:] Right, you need to let the bacteria build up, and then it keeps all the chemicals in balance.
[speaker002:] I see.
[speaker001:] And I would just take everything out and just like, you know, wash it with scalding hot water
[speaker002:] Oh, no.
[speaker001:] and it would kill all the bacteria, and that would screw up all the chemical cycles again
[speaker002:] And so you'd have to
[speaker001:] so.
[speaker002:] start all over
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] to build that up probably.
[speaker001:] That's right. So now only, I only clean things to make things look more aesthetically pleasing
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] and I don't try and sterilize things [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Don't go through the whole nine yards and
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] they kind of need a little bit of that.
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] So you've had fish for a long time.
[speaker001:] Well, I've had them, I guess it's been two years now I've had a, a tank here, and then back at home I used to have a small, you know, five gallon tank. But that never worked well. And, *slash error
[speaker002:] What size do you have now?
[speaker001:] I have fifty-five gallons now. *sd
[speaker002:] Oh, that's a good size.
[speaker001:] It's a lot easier.
[speaker002:] Have you ever had it, uh, crack or break or leak.
[speaker001:] No [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] No, not yet.
[speaker002:] Fifty-five gallons, you'd hope it would never do that.
[speaker001:] That's right, I really do. But, you know.
[speaker002:] Do you have all kinds of different fish or,
[speaker001:] Yeah, I just have, you know, what they call community fish
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] guppies, and platies and, and basic things. I don't get into the
[speaker002:] Real exotic.
[speaker001:] right, right. The expensive ones.
[speaker002:] Well, they're probably hardy, harder to take care of and,
[speaker001:] They are. They're very expensive and, you know, when you die, it's like, when they die it's more like an investment.
[speaker002:] Yes, I bet it is.
[speaker001:] You lost an investment so,
[speaker002:] Do you have problems with them, uh, the fish eating each other?
[speaker001:] No, not really. Only if there's baby fish.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] You always have to isolate those.
[speaker002:] Then you have to, how do you isolate them?
[speaker001:] You get a
[speaker002:] A jar or something or.
[speaker001:] well, no, they have breeders.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] It's a little plastic things that sort of floats
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] and you put the mother fish in there and then it's got like a trough underneath her
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] so as the babies come out they fall down in the trough and there's a hole in the middle so they fall into the bottom part of the chamber
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] so the mother can't get to them either. And that's, you know, it kind of works, but it's also got slots in it so the water can circulate
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and on occasion if you get a real small one, *slash error; one utt with utt2 it'll fit out the slots.
[speaker002:] It'll go through the slot.
[speaker001:] That's right, so. But, you know, it works, I guess.
[speaker002:] That works all right then. They don't, uh, want the mothers to be with the little fish either.
[speaker001:] Oh, they'll eat them.
[speaker002:] They will.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Isn't that odd.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] You wouldn't think that.
[speaker001:] It, and it's funny because the one I have, every single month without fail she has babies.
[speaker002:] You're kidding.
[speaker001:] Oh, no. All the time, and, um, I, and she's supposed to, her variety, it says they won't eat the babies, and I've seen her do it. So.
[speaker002:] And that just makes you sick almost, doesn't it?
[speaker001:] Oh, it's ter-, well, it makes you understand that, you know, things are different [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Things are different in the animal kingdom, huh.
[speaker001:] We might, right. We might decide what's proper and what isn't, but
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, that's the way it is for them.
[speaker002:] That's kind of the way they do it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's it.
[speaker002:] Survival of the fittest or something.
[speaker001:] Yes, because if the baby is strong enough, it can swim away fast enough
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and go hide.
[speaker002:] Go hide from them, well
[speaker001:] So.
[speaker002:] and then, you think, well, how did they do it out in the real world anyway
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] when these fish are in the tropicals or wherever they are
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] kind of trying to keep up with that, but. If you're like me, you never have enough time for the hobbies.
[speaker001:] No, not really.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I, I try. I also, I play a couple of instruments.