[speaker001:] okay I um to let you know what I feel about drug testing uh I have my qualms about having the government or anyone else for that matter testing randomly everybody across the board for various drugs however I am not against
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] testing those people who are in critical uh jobs for example airline pilots subway drivers you know people who are responsible for other people's safety
[speaker002:] right for uh for uh uh a larger number than just their own personal safety
[speaker001:] correct I just think that it's
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh unnecessary and really the medical testing facilities that are available now have been shown to have problems in the past as far as reliability is concerned
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] and uh we have had situations here where people were accused of um uh utilizing drugs and uh it turned out they were on some other medication which was giving false positives
[speaker002:] right right and the same goes with uh you can eat poppy bagels poppy seeds
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and they'll come up as a as a positive for drugs as well which is I you know I'd I'd just heard that uh just recently and I thought that was interesting
[speaker001:] uh uh do you more or less follow on the same lines as I do or
[speaker002:] yeah I I do I um I have a little problem with somebody testing uh for drugs just in general as an invasion of privacy uh but I do agree with you or regarding people that deal uh with groups of other people that their lives should be they should feel a little more safe and there should be more of a safeguard you know air traffic controllers airline pilots uh anybody that deal with the public in a uh I don't know what uh a fashion that their lives are in their in in their hands
[speaker001:] yeah I I know that they were up here in New York um uh I've noticed what they have been trying to do the governor here isn't thrilled with the idea and we have uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] various government officials here who basically don't feel that is a good idea for along the same lines but they're continuously clashing with the federal government which because of it's antidrug war
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] um figures well since we're not really accomplishing much of anything internationally let's make big headlines by going out and being for mandatory drug testing and
[speaker002:] within the community
[speaker001:] yeah and and that way we'll we'll nail those nine to five worker users without really solving the problem of trying to really do something and through education and that
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah they the federal government seems to be a lot more aggressive about this um
[speaker002:] that's
[speaker001:] than uh anything else it's interesting that you find out with all these little scandals going on now such as in the house with the post office cocaine scandal
[speaker002:] right yep
[speaker001:] you know all that um
[speaker002:] well did you hear about the uh what was happening in the Boston area uh for I guess for about the past five they've been testing babies for AIDS
[speaker001:] uh oh really
[speaker002:] but not releasing the information
[speaker001:] yeah I
[speaker002:] they were just testing to find out how prevalent it is uh in what demographic and segments of the population but they weren't telling anybody if they did it when when the results came up positive or negative they weren't telling anybody
[speaker001:] hum well their sure they were probably afraid of being sued
[speaker002:] well I'm sure and also bringing light to the fact that they weren't getting parental permission for it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] they were just doing this test
[speaker001:] yeah it's one of these slippery slope issues where once you start by allowing this kind of randomized drug testing it's the same thing with the lie detectors
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] and uh the physiological test tests that go on um really I think you know we are seeing more and more of privacy taken away um courtesy of the federal government as time goes on because of the almighty rights of the employer to know every possible thing about their employees
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] and uh at times it's hypocritical as well because those in positions of leadership that want these things certainly don't want them applied to themselves
[speaker002:] right exactly they want to they want to be just above in that regard
[speaker001:] uh yeah I I I don't know how much you've had experience as far as in the newspapers coming across people who have gotten into trouble with the drug stuff here in in Rochester Rochester
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] in western New York there hasn't been a terrible lot but we of course hear about the subway drivers in New York City
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] who slammed into someone and of course you know the airline pilots are rumored you know there are already rumors of rampant alcoholism now cocaine usage
[speaker002:] uh well there's always there's a standard joke about the Northwestern pilots
[speaker001:] oh yeah wasn't that that thing in Minneapolis or something when they were supposedly smashed out of their minds and then flew or they had their light
[speaker002:] yeah