[speaker001:] Well, I personally don't have any problem with, uh, drug testing employees or potential employees, do you?
[speaker002:] Um,
[speaker001:] I mean, basically?
[speaker002:] Basically, no. Um,
[speaker001:] Okay. I don't, I really can't disagree with it.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I, I, uh, uh, the policy that T I has, I think is, uh, uh, very fair.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Um, I, they first had a policy where they, uh, would test new employees and, then since I've been with them the last four years, uh, there's been in the last year, year and a half, um, they're doing random testing of all employees.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. I think that's really the only fair way to do it.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] I really think it ought to be s-, you know, Junkins all the way down.
[speaker002:] And it is, it, and fr-, from what I understand it is Jerry Junkins all the way down.
[speaker001:] Right, as a matter of fact, I want to think they took the top managers first, isn't that a fact? I've been retired from T I about a year,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but the program, you know, was still fairly new. I guess it had been going on, maybe almost a year,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] before I retired, so I was not, uh, ever called upon to do a drug test. I certainly wouldn't object to it, and I think random is probably, you know, the only really fair way to do it.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Um, I like it because, um, you know, I, I, I grew up in the sixties, I mean,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I graduated high school in sixty-eight and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, you know, I, I saw, you know, I know my friends who were you know, druggies and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] friends who weren't and,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, you know, it's, I think it's a real problem,
[speaker001:] Oh, I, absolutely.
[speaker002:] and I think it, and I think it's causing us a lot of trouble and,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and a lot of problems.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And so I'm hoping that, uh, a lot of other companies will, will follow the same path.
[speaker001:] I don't think they'll have much choice, do you?
[speaker002:] Um, probably not.
[speaker001:] Especially if they have anything do with, you know, government contracts, or anything. As matter of fact, I want to believe that the, uh, defense department more or less mandated that people, you know, who work on defense contracts, you know,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] s-, do some sort of, you know, drug testing. I think that's really what maybe prompted T I to do it. I was in the, uh, Defense Electronic Division when I retired. I know it was, a, you know, it was a real hot, hot item there. I think, I want to think maybe they, you know, really got some nudging from, you know, D O D to do this sort of thing.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I used to be in D S E G myself.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Um, A P D as a matter of fact.
[speaker001:] Yeah. So you kne-, you know the atmosphere, then.
[speaker002:] Yep.
[speaker001:] So, yeah.
[speaker002:] Very aware of it. But I, I'd, I'd, I really like the idea.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, in fact, I would like to see, uh, a lot more, uh, people, uh, adopt it,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, like, you know, school systems, and that kind of thing.
[speaker001:] Right, I agree. I,
[speaker002:] I mean, I'd like, I'd like to know that my child's being taught by a teacher who's not on drugs or,
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] or, uh, who might be at a point where they're trying to sell my kid drugs.
[speaker001:] That's r-, absolutely. Yeah, I d-, I just can't disagree with you, with you know the basic premise.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] It's to m-, as far as I know, it's, you know, seems to be a fairly accurate program, as far as, uh, you know, the testing goes. And, uh,
[speaker002:] And, I like the idea that they have a, uh, system where they allow you to, uh, be retested if for,
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] some reason there may have been a problem.
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] or something did show up.
[speaker001:] And offer you, you know, help if you need help.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I do too.
[speaker002:] Yeah, rather than just, uh
[speaker001:] Put you out on the street. Yeah.
[speaker002:] put you out on the street and let you fend for yourself.
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] That's not going to help anybody get over the problem.
[speaker001:] No, ab-,
[speaker002:] I believe it is a, a, a medical problem.
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] Um, of course I also think smoking is the most addictive thing in the world, too [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, absolutely. Not to mention alcohol.
[speaker002:] Yeah, so I mean, there's a lot of things out there and,
[speaker001:] Yep, yep.
[speaker002:] things that, uh, I'm just glad that they, uh, decided not to, uh, tax drugs, otherwise they'd be legal,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and they'd be getting tax money off it the same way,
[speaker001:] That's right [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] they are the alcohol and tobacco [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] That's right [LAUGHTER], oh, gosh. Well, it's, it's a real problem, I'm sure. I'm sure.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I have friends that work in other companies that are just now adopting the policy,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, and stuff, and I, uh, uh, I moved to a T I facility that, um, had never had, uh, random drug sampling before,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] because they were outside of the military sector.
[speaker001:] Right. Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] It was, uh, an industrial company, and, you know, that T I purchased, and so the people here, a lot of them are real opposed to it.
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, they were really opposed to it,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, you know, there was a few of them that obviously were doing drugs,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and that's why they were opposed to it.
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] And, uh, it resulted in, in a few people leaving,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, because they just flat out weren't going to put up with the policy.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know, they had a life-style and they weren't going to change it.
[speaker001:] Yeah, right.
[speaker002:] And it's,
[speaker001:] Yeah, I know a lot of people who, when it first be-, or at least began, was in the talking sta-, you know, everybody knew it was coming, it just a matter of time, everybody was screaming, you know, invasion of privacy and all this stuff. But a lot of people, I think, after they thought about it for awhile, and you know, weighed the pros and cons, decided, you know, it's really not a bad idea unless you're doing drugs, of course.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I mean, uh, you should have no objection to it, it's like, uh, going down to get your license and checking your eyes.
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] I mean, you know, why do I need my eyes checked, well,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] we want to make sure you can see [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] That's right, yep, yep.
[speaker002:] You know it's like, [LAUGHTER] why are we doing this? Well, so you don't kill people on the road.
[speaker001:] That's right. Or yourself or,
[speaker002:] Uh, it's a ba-, I mean, it's the basic premise with,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] you know, drug testing.
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] Especially some of the jobs, um, luckily I've always been in the engineering sector,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and it's very little that anyone could do in the engineering sector as far as, uh, you know, hurting someone, I mean,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it's hard to imagine somebody misusing a computer and somebody dying from it,
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's true.
[speaker002:] But, uh, in the manufacturing sectors and over in semiconductor,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and down in some of those labs and stuff,
[speaker001:] Yeah, assembly people.
[speaker002:] yeah, I, darn if I'd want somebody down there that I'm working with side by side, you know, that could kill me,
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] by doing something incorrectly because they were not exactly all there because they were on drugs.
[speaker001:] That's r-, absolutely.
[speaker002:] So, there's a, there's a lot of sectors where I think that would, would help out, and I think in the long run, we all benefit.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, oh, absolutely, yeah.
[speaker002:] I mean, if you have, uh, you know, if you're not working with someone on drugs, well then you're going to have less accidents,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and you have less accidents and you spend less money on medical.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And you spend less money on medical, then the company's more profitable.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] The company's more profitable,
[speaker001:] Sure right.
[speaker002:] then maybe they can pay you more. If they can pay you more, you can buy more,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and then, and it, and it goes around,
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] you know, to everywhere.
[speaker001:] Trickles, trickles up and down.
[speaker002:] Yep, all over.
[speaker001:] Sure does.
[speaker002:] And, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah, affects a lot of people.
[speaker002:] It certainly does and,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I, I just hope that, uh, more and more companies, uh, get on the ball,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, and, and start it up.
[speaker001:] I think they probably will. You know, if, if they, I'm sure it's a very expensive program to administer. I'm not sure every small company could do it.
[speaker002:] Well, a lot of companies are, are, coming down in price,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I think that the insurance companies are starting to give, uh, benefits.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know, re-, reduction in, in medical costs if, you know, they,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, yeah, yeah, it's got to help them too.
[speaker002:] Yeah, so, I think everybody will, will benefit from the program.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, yeah, I do too, that's right.
[speaker002:] And I think if, if a lot more insurance companies get on the bandwagon and say,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] well if you impose, uh,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] mandatory drug testing, we'll reduce your insurance costs by,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, twenty per cent. And of course, you know, the company's not going to reduce the employee's cost of insurance twenty per cent, they're going to reduce their own.
[speaker001:] No, no. But it'll save in some areas, yeah, right.
[speaker002:] Yeah, and that'll cover it. And maybe some insurance companies might start offering it as a, uh, as part of the package.
[speaker001:] That's right. That certainly could happen. That's a very ver-, very, very competitive business.
[speaker002:] Yeah. So it, I, I think, I think all around it, it's going to help out a lot.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I do too.
[speaker002:] Course,
[speaker001:] I just really can't disagree with you.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Okay, well, it's nice to talk to you.
[speaker002:] It was great talking with you.
[speaker001:] And you take care.
[speaker002:] You do the same.
[speaker001:] Okay. Bye-bye.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye.