[speaker001:] Hi.
[speaker002:] Hi, um, okay what, now, uh, what particularly, particularly what kind of music do you like?
[speaker001:] Well, I mostly listen to popular music. I, uh, listen to it all the time in, in my car, so, I, I tend to be one of those people who switches stations a lot because I don't like commercials. But,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] uh, I find myself listening to popular music, and, uh, quite honestly, I, I have some little children and I, unfortunately, found myself listening to a lot of nursery rhyme music here lately, but that's not by my choice.
[speaker002:] Oh, really.
[speaker001:] How about you?
[speaker002:] Well, um, [LAUGHTER] I don't have that, I don't have that [both are laughing], experience to share [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Lucky you.
[speaker002:] I, I do, I do listen to a lot of, you know, I do, I switch the stations a lot because I don't have a cassette player in my car.
[speaker001:] Um, um. Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, uh, however, I, I do, I do like a lot of different forms of music so I switch quite often. Um, I think I like, I, I'm really particular about the type of music that I listen to.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But, the, uh, there's such a wide selection, I think I like a lot, I like a little bit of a lot of different types of music. You know, I, I, I like music that is, that I feel if it is performed correctly or if it's done right, or if the version is done right, I like it [LAUGHTER],
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] but, if, if it's not, then I won't. I, I really don't,
[speaker001:] How do you feel about rap music?
[speaker002:] Rap.
[speaker001:] It seems to be so popular these days.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, I, I don't really have anything against rap music. I, the one thing I do object to about rap music is, is when it becomes militant,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] or, if it's, uh, violence oriented.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I, I have strong objections to that. Um, actually I listen to, one time I remember, this was back when, even, uh, I would say about ten or fifteen years ago I,
[speaker001:] When it was really just starting.
[speaker002:] Yeah, right when it was just starting,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I heard what was called talking blues,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] which actually is rap.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, it was about, the, the piece of music, the piece of music was about, I think about forty or fifty years old. And, it was incredible, I mean, the parallel, you know, between it and rap.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And, um, you, you listen a lot, if you, if you hear a lot of old gospel, uh, uh, especially well, the black gospel. You know, you will, you know, you can really pick it up. I mean,
[speaker001:] Yeah, you really. It seemed to be influenced by a lot of different music. A lot of times you'll hear songs that you know, they're not original,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but have been put to a rap kind of a rhythm. And, uh, sounds, it sounds so much different and yet, I, I have a much younger sister who listens to a lot of rap music and, uh, she thinks its pretty funny how often I know all of the words to songs that she's listening to, and yet,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] she thought they were brand new,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] original pieces.
[speaker002:] they, they do, they do copy versions, they do cover versions of, of, you know, like standards, I guess you could call it.
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] I think it's kind of absurd, you know, the fact that, you know, they don't really, they don't really give, you know, the original artist, or the original composer,
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] the credit that is really due to them.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I guess there was even a, a bit of ruckus caused by the M C Hammer, who's really, you know,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] seems to be the hot one of, of today. He used, um, WILD THING. Do you remember that, that song.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] he used, um, I can't remember who the artist was on that.
[speaker002:] Jimi Hendrix was the original.
[speaker001:] Who?
[speaker002:] Jimi Hendrix was the original. He wrote [NOISE],
[speaker001:] Was it, well, ma-, maybe it wasn't that one. Because, it was a living, it was a living person that I'm, I'm thinking of that,
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] um, that said, "You know, hey that, those are my words." And, uh, I guess that they, because they hadn't originally gotten, um, permission,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] from him to use it. And, he, he since then has, has amended that, and paid them his royalties every time the, the song goes on but,
[speaker002:] Yeah. I don't know it may have, it may have been somebody else, because I think, I think that even Jimi Hendrix did it, I think that was a cov-, you know, come to think of it, I think that was a cover version of, like a John Lee Hooker song, or something,
[speaker001:] Maybe so. I,
[speaker002:] I mean it was just like, it was really old.
[speaker001:] I, can't think.
[speaker002:] I mean I, I, there are a lot, there are so many different songs, I mean like the whole thing about cover versions a lot of times. I mean I've heard some songs that, that I just thought were horrendous cover versions of, I'm like, you know, I, I don't want to listen to this.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Because you know, you think of the original is like, you know, oh, that was really great. That was a, you know, a really good piece of work, and then when you hear the cover it's like, you know, God, what are they doing.
[speaker001:] Right. They destroyed it.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] I, I think a good one was, um, there was a Peter Frampton song,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah!
[speaker002:] and, then the cover version, I think, I mean, I thought, was absolutely, it was pitiful.
[speaker001:] I, I remember seeing the video of it on M T V, and I thought it was hideous.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I did too.
[speaker001:] It was, ugh, I didn't like that either.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but you know, whatever became of Peter Frampton. I mean, there was nothing, he was a phenomenon, I me-, there was no reason for him to really come into, you know, great stardom or anything.
[speaker001:] I remember, I saw him in a concert, when I was,
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think it,
[speaker001:] I think it was in high school.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think that probably what did it for him was the fact that he was a good stage performer.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. He was very good. I remember I saw him in a huge stadium in, uh, Philadelphia. It was in J F K Stadium, if I can remember.
[speaker002:] Oh man.
[speaker001:] Hundreds of thousands of people is what it seemed like.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I've, I graduated back in seventy-nine, so,
[speaker001:] Um, um. Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but, but I've really, I, I loved, I mean, I was, I was really into the album oriented music, even then,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so I was really familiar with a lot, with a lot of, of the A O R type music. Um, the album oriented like the, uh, James Taylor,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] and, the, uh, the Beatles, and you know, I mean, a lot of people they go, they're better than the Beatles, and I'm like, you know,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] you don't know what you're talking about.
[speaker001:] No [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I mean, the comparison made between New Kids On The Block with the Beatles [LAUGHTER]. It was just,
[speaker001:] You can only laugh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, you just sort of, you know, well I guess I can just humor them, you know [LAUGHTER]. At this point.
[speaker001:] Right [LAUGHTER] well, they, I guess our age is showing when, we, we think that.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but well, you know, I, I, I've liked a lot of the new music. I think, um,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] um, when I saw some promise, you know, with, with a lot of the new wave, when it, when it came out, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] back in the mid and early eighties. And then, um, I don't know music is kind of in a weird, it's in a very weird position right now. I think that, I mean, I like, you know, things like to hear, you know, what they call world music. Which is, you know, using all these natural forms of music and,
[speaker001:] Like Paul Simon. Like,
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, Paul Simon.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Well, you know, really that's not world music. But, what, what Paul Simon's doing, I think is, is, is great because he's, you know I think, I think that using, I guess what they call it is eclectic, you know.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] drawing from a lot of different sources and making, you know, a synthesis of a new type of music. Um,
[speaker001:] What do you mean by world music?
[speaker002:] Well, world music is, um, a lot of the, a lot of where they, where they make music that they adapt to a, to another kind of, to another type of listener.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, for example, let's say you're taking like an original Brazilian form of music and, with a certain style, and then you try to make it a little bit more listenable for, let's say another audience, let's say a North American.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, then when they hear it, it, it's a really, it's another form of music, and,
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] you know, sort of, um, trying to draw out the best sources. The, the best of every type of music.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Because, I mean, there are some, I mean, I, I li-, there are some, you know, types of heavy metal that I really like, but, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that I, I completely like heavy metal.
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] I, I think, you know, and it's the same way with, you know, world music takes the forms that have really been, um, I guess, I you know, the best example or, you know, the cream of the crop, I guess you could say, and then, and then taking those, those qualities, and then applying, in the styles, that are really, um, that are extremely enjoyable, and then taking,
[speaker001:] So then it becomes a kind of music of, of its own, so to speak, or, uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, it becomes a kind of music of its own. I mean, when you listen to it, it's um, uh, I think that they don't use, elec-, some of it, it's, they use electronic and acoustic interchangeably,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so, you know, well a lot of the stuff you hear coming from South Africa now, and from West Africa, that's considered world music, because it's not particularly using certain types of folk styles.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] But, they're, they're trying to make it somewhat more modern. I, I, I, a good, another good example was I heard Miles Davis, and Miles Davis worked with Robbie Shoncar,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] if you can believe it, I mean,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [Static] [LAUGHTER] You know, he's a jazz performer, and then he's playing with Robbie Shoncar, who's a very good, he's a very good arranger. Uh, arrangement to, uh, we're going to have to get off.
[speaker001:] The, are they trying to,
[speaker002:] I don't know. But, uh,
[speaker001:] We've talked our five minutes though.
[speaker002:] Yeah, okay, but, I mean, when I heard his album, I heard it and it was just incredible.
[speaker001:] I've been listening to that a lot lately.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I, I listened and, I heard, you know, you hear this guitar, and then you hear the muted trumpet. I me, and you never would think that they, that they can actually play together but,
[speaker001:] Oh yeah.