[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] perhaps uh maybe we were a little unsure because we were looking at something broader you know nationwide worldwide or something maybe we should look city wide
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] you know or school board wide or you know what I'm saying narrow the topic a little and see if if we don't uh recognize some trends there
[speaker001:] oh okay okay
[speaker002:] um one thing that I definitely have noticed in our area as far as the school system at least uh token wise I'm not sure that uh really truly uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh we're effectively counting but at at least for a show we're involving more parents in input and
[speaker001:] more parent input
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um like I say this all may be in name only
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] kind of thing at this point but at least it's a step in the right direction I think
[speaker001:] well do you have school age children
[speaker002:] I have five school age children
[speaker001:] oh so you're you're definitely more involved at least in the schools school system my children are grown so
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] well we uh we try to keep abreast of it uh of some of the things that are that are going on and we've uh we've just gone through some city elections here in in Plano for our city council
[speaker001:] for city council do you all have a mayor or
[speaker002:] yes yes
[speaker001:] you do yeah we we do in Houston too
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh Whitmire is is she still the
[speaker001:] yeah yeah she's still she's still there but it looks like uh she may have some the opposition or they're they're trying to beat them she's been in for so long so we may hear some interesting things about her before election time comes up
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] this time but she's uh uh okay I don't know is would a trend does it seem to be we're having more minority type people women in government
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] as far as in the local like our our our our our chief of police is a woman our our mayor is a woman our superintendent superintendent of of schools was a woman she's just now you know been pushed out
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] but I don't know if you would consider that a trend or not
[speaker002:] oh I definitely think it's a trend uh you know this morning on the way to school we just uh it just so happened that we saw a lot of buses and I usually don't have all my children in the bus in the car at once but I'd taken them all to the chiropractor this morning one big fell swoop and then we were going on to school but just a tad late long enough for the buses to be going back and
[speaker001:] you uh
[speaker002:] the kids said gosh look how many of these bus drivers are women and I said you know that really is a good indication of some of the jobs that have been
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know that trend that has swung you know one profession that you know there are a lot of women now and I think it's good because
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] those women sometimes pick up on those kids emotional needs and might you know be aware of those things coming or going from school where maybe the men don't always you know they're just there to drive the bus you know and the women are more
[speaker001:] well I saw uh the the superintendent that we've had was being considered for the superintendent in the Boston area
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and they just she just lost out to someone from the Dallas area like assistants somebody who's an one of the assistants in your I'm not sure what the name maybe it was another woman
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] must have been from uh DIS
[speaker001:] maybe so yeah maybe so
[speaker002:] but I definitely think think that administratively in the schools women are are a show of force now that we did not see even five years ago certainly not you know ten years ago up to that point they were allowed to be teachers secretaries nurses so forth even your uh heads of uh you know like your food services that kind of thing
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] your your deans you know they weren't women um you know that's
[speaker001:] lots of school principals seem to be women in the at least in the Houston area
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] I've noticed over over the years that my kids were in school
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh more and more
[speaker001:] fact I don't even remember any uh school that they went to that there there wasn't a women principal from elementary school on up
[speaker002:] on
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] oh that's excellent excellent you know that they're getting a chance
[speaker001:] so yeah but but then again you know it would be nice to have more you know the majority of teachers seem to be women it would be nice to have but the problem is the pay scale probably it's because you know women go into teaching probably not so much for the money but uh for the satisfaction and that's just what they want to want to do whereas uh I think if you're a college professor
[speaker002:] the type of uh
[speaker001:] probably the pay is much better and you tend to see more I think you see more
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] well I don't know it seems like there there are a lot of a lot more men at least in the the college level so
[speaker002:] well and that comes once again you know is that you can teach in elementary school you can even substitute in elementary school in the state of Texas without a uh without a certificate
[speaker001:] you can teach
[speaker002:] yes you can substitute teach without a certificate or a degree
[speaker001:] substitute right
[speaker002:] and then you know work on that and if you want to work on up but you still can make good money you know
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] part-time part-time money as a substitute whereas you know to teach on college level you have to have a PhD almost always sometimes you can get by on a fellowship program or something where you might be teaching but
[speaker001:] uh-huh do you do you have any idea how much uh uh a substitute teacher would make per day I'm sure they pay them by the day
[speaker002:] uh-huh here in Plano they pay about fifty dollars a day
[speaker001:] well I mean that's good part-time money
[speaker002:] that's good part-time money for but it's not career money
[speaker001:] yeah but it's not no
[speaker002:] you know but it uh
[speaker001:] course it you know
[speaker002:] you know for a part-time situation
[speaker001:] just somebody
[speaker002:] and once you've gotten your foot in the door for several years substituting and then take on a degree you know you're pretty well assured of a of a job in the system eventually that you know that you've been subbing in a lot of times you know I think that's uh I think uh one thing that uh that we're seeing you know a trend in uh politics is that our cities are taking a lot more responsibility for uh citizens becoming involved in the environment uh
[speaker001:] yes it's true
[speaker002:] recycling uh clean up programs refurbishing you know historical and and uh park land
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] um your uh city you know where they they adopt a highway kinds of things those are becoming more and more
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] government uh originated and not just private enterprise
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know generated
[speaker001:] which I think is something that has to happen in order to
[speaker002:] to make people do it probably
[speaker001:] to make it happen right
[speaker002:] which you know I thought Texas would be the last place to ever um get people to do those things voluntarily and I think their don't mess with Texas campaign has been very effective because Texans don't like to be told what to do they're very proud of their state so they've psychologically they've done a number on us there
[speaker001:] well a couple weeks ago I was at the Houston International Festival which is you know in the downtown area and
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh the friend a friend of mine that was with me uh commented on on how clean uh you know when you have an event like that of course everybody you know there's just food and everything else and of course they have the the you know the places to throw the stuff but you really they were really use they really use it
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] because in the past you know it seemed like I can remember people just just throw it down they don't care but you're you're finally getting to the point where it's just kind of second nature to find some place to to throw it
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] uh can you remember driving down the highway I could as a kid you know you just get rid of it you roll the window down and you throw it out but you wouldn't
[speaker002:] well my mother was always real picky about that kind of thing I think I'd probably have my fingers cut off if I'd ever thrown out a candy wrapper or anything but
[speaker001:] well you're probably younger than I am because I you know um but I can remember uh probably probably uh in the early seventies uh going out on you know taking our boat out and stuff like that and looking for places for trash bins and stuff and that was very new at that time you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh um-hum that that
[speaker001:] so it's uh yeah it really hasn't been that long I mean it's probably twenty years or so that you know it really began
[speaker002:] yes yes
[speaker001:] so yeah
[speaker002:] I agree for it to and to be adopted and funded
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know by cities and you think the incredible amount of you know money that we vote for our cities to spend on these kinds of things so you know it's definitely uh you know you have to consider that a political trend because we're the ones voting for those people you know to that are in favor of those kinds of programs and make them you know campaign issues
[speaker001:] that's true
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] how about the representation that you have on the city council is it uh you know we're we're I think we're to vote going to have increased the number so that we will be able to represent uh like the Mexican Americans don't feel like they've had enough representation and stuff like that
[speaker002:] uh-huh well of course Dallas is in a great upheaval right now over the fourteen one and ten four one you know programs and it's you know going back and forth between courts to you know
[speaker001:] what is that I'm
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] have to be plead ignorant here
[speaker002:] the um