[speaker001:] okay how do you feel about it
[speaker002:] well I feel like the major problem we have and the reason that crime has gotten so out of hand is because there isn't a punishment that's matching what's being done
[speaker001:] I agree with that
[speaker002:] and I think it starts when the kids are little I think the parents in our community teach our children that as long as they can get away with something that it's all right
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] because I don't see a lot of parents especially where I'm at I have a lot of the responsibility of what ever is done in our neighborhood because there's no other mothers at home
[speaker001:] yes I have the same thing here
[speaker002:] and I see a lot of kids very small kids coming home to empty homes every day and doing all kinds of unbelievable things and as long as they don't let anybody know about it they get away with it so you know I feel like if our parents mothers stayed home if we had that secure start you know where kids learned the right way to act um they were rewarded for their good behavior and they had a secure family that they came from I think we'd see a whole different society
[speaker001:] yeah that kind of goes right along with what I'm thinking too is well the movies and the TV the violence and all the things that are on there if the parents were home in the afternoon when the children came home maybe they wouldn't be watching as much as this
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] but then again there's some of them at home at night with them that do not monitor what their children are watching and so it's I think you're right in that it is parents caring enough to may be put off having that other car or the other TV or what ever it is they're working for
[speaker002:] yeah right
[speaker001:] and take care of the children
[speaker002:] well you know I did a survey on why mothers left their children to go to work and I found out that more than eighty percent of all the people I talked to
[speaker001:] um-hum what'd you find out
[speaker002:] the mothers went to work to provide a better life for their children and when I talked with their children their children wanted their parents home rather than the the the material things they were getting
[speaker001:] yes I I can believe that
[speaker002:] and it's just too bad that the parents won't listen to this survey so I just think that um another problem is I think the way the legal system has been set up that the criminals get out and the jails are so over crowded they can't handle punishing the
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] people that are committing the bad crimes sufficiently I think they need to put more people out to death um if it's completely witnessed and it's uh seen that there's no you know I think there needs to be more severe punishment but it needs to be fair
[speaker001:] um-hum right right but and maybe not quite so much publicity either I think there's far too much publicity on some of these violent crimes that and then it seems to become a challenge
[speaker002:] right I think that to oh out do it
[speaker001:] to be shown to people to see if they can get away with it
[speaker002:] yeah or out do what's been done
[speaker001:] right that it's
[speaker002:] yeah I think that's another problem um I know that once when I was reading a book when I was studying history and it said you show me a country that can produce strong families and you'll have a strong country and if you look back over United States histories our country was strong until the mothers started leaving the home
[speaker001:] um-hum women's rights and all these good things the children are the ones who suffer
[speaker002:] that's right that's right and they do and then they grow up and it just continually will get worse
[speaker001:] yes and and
[speaker002:] so I guess what we both agree on is that families need to change their way of thinking
[speaker001:] right right yes and until the families change I think that we'll continue to have this problem and it will worsen
[speaker002:] right and I think people need to have some sort of a an idea of why we're here and what we're doing and what we're working towards and why it's important to do these things rather than just getting ahead materialistically
[speaker001:] yes uh-huh uh back to the old basic morals and
[speaker002:] that's right well um do they come do they come on and say when we've talked visited for five minutes
[speaker001:] and things that I I don't know I I thought they did but this is my first time also so well but in
[speaker002:] this is your first time um we discussed I discussed on here with someone um last week about the justice system and how it could be improved on juries and we discussed about how half the jury that they select to
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know come up with the verdict if half of those were law students then they could understand what was going on in the court room and have the time that they spent in their jury district count towards some of their graduation hours
[speaker001:] hey that would be a good idea that's
[speaker002:] wouldn't that be a good idea because I think so sometimes the juries don't understand all this the legal you know talk and and what's going on
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and this way it would get people that were a little more knowledgeable at least half of them to be on that board or on the jury
[speaker001:] that