[speaker001:] uh I guess it's uh watching the radio the TV today there had a lot of stuff on on uh crime in our state right now uh recently they've had a lot of uh uh the rapists uh murder type uh killers going around and
[speaker002:] oh gracious
[speaker001:] and well I I they've caught them and they they're in there
[speaker002:] uh-huh wasn't it your state that had the um guy that committed all those murders there was that um
[speaker001:] uh well yeah Wisconsin uh and Milwaukee area yeah
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that was really on the national news a lot we heard a lot about that in Texas
[speaker001:] yeah no that's well I I live right on the border Minnesota and Wisconsin so I kind of get both both news and I know in Minnesota uh they had uh the one that just uh got out and went after a uh college student and raped and killed her and
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] they're not too happy about that now
[speaker002:] well I can imagine it seems like the violent crimes are increasing a lot to me I I don't know I don't know if statistically they are but it seems like you sure hear a maybe you just hear a lot more about them on the news I don't know
[speaker001:] yeah uh that's hard to say for sure I uh sometimes I wonder if these people aren't don't it just for the publicity and
[speaker002:] you wonder about that sometimes
[speaker001:] they they get their names in the in the paper and they become big celebrities
[speaker002:] um-hum that's kind of scary I'd I'm wish there was some way that we could change the news media so they didn't feature these way out stories maybe it wouldn't give other people ideas
[speaker001:] well uh I know one thing I I think Texas has the death penalty right
[speaker002:] yes we do do you have it up there
[speaker001:] yeah no
[speaker002:] I see
[speaker001:] see I I not
[speaker002:] do you think that's a deterrent
[speaker001:] yeah well uh it's it's it's not gonna prevent any people from doing it but the person that's caught he'll never do it again if he gets the death penalty and that's and there are a lot of repeaters uh
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum I guess that's another thing that to me is a a real problem and I know we've got so many people in our prison system now at least here in Texas
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I mean they're really in a crisis there's been times they've had to just close off the prisons and leave them in county jails or whatever because there just wasn't enough room for all of them and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] a lot of them they put out on parole and then some of the ones that they put out early you know do repeat offenses and the crime rate's the worst than ever before
[speaker001:] hum yeah well some I'm just wondering a lot of times they'll put uh people lesser crimes in uh with uh people that did more severe crimes and they maybe they just tend to learn from these people and they and when they get back out they just go into worse crimes and
[speaker002:] I think that could be true too
[speaker001:] maybe they should try and separate them a little bit more um
[speaker002:] I think the whole parole thing you know if somebody's convicted of second degree murder or something gets fifteen years well they're out in six or seven you know outbound on the streets again
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and to me that's really scary some some of these crimes that they commit you know seems like the punishment's not really equal to the crime
[speaker001:] well uh I don't know uh with with my limited uh psychology background I do have uh I don't I don't even feel that prisons and stuff are are the answer if you wanna stop the crime I think you got to get uh the people when they're kids
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] a lot of this probably just starts with from the from the homes also from the the the media the TV you see uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] all these uh gory movies on there becomes uh just natural fact of life
[speaker002:] um-hum I think it's okay thing to do
[speaker001:] yep
[speaker002:] yeah I think that's a very good point you know I there's a lot more working mothers a lot more kids in day care centers all that kind of thing morality is being taught more by the schools a lot of times than in the home anymore
[speaker001:] uh-huh well a lot of the European countries uh they tend to censor well they probably won't censor so much the sexual stuff as much as the violent
[speaker002:] and um-hum
[speaker001:] and they have a lot less crime
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] some of some of those European countries are are you can leave your your uh doors open and and and be safe uh even uh I think New Zealand is one of one of the places uh that's not