[speaker001:] Um, so do you have a personal computer?
[speaker002:] [Breathing] Uh, well we do have one in, in our home, uh, it's on the fritz right now, because the monitor isn't working properly but, [breathing] uh, it has been, uh, used tremendously, mostly by my children [breathing] for, uh, playing games [breathing].
[speaker001:] Oh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] However, [LAUGHTER] um, you know, the bane of our existence these days, [breathing] uh, but it does have a word processing program, which all of us have used for [breathing] re-, reports and papers and that sort of thing.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's what, when this subject was mentioned to us I said, well, I went, gee, that's all I use mine for is a word processor, and I haven't used it since I got out of college, and that was six years ago,
[speaker002:] Oh, wow.
[speaker001:] but it, it was my sister's who, my sister bought it
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, my father had a small business and she thought that he would incorporate it and use it in the business, and he never did,
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] he always did everything out by hand. He only had three employees,
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] so, you know, it wasn't really worth it to him to do, to do it.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Actually, it would be worth it, if he were able to get a program that would do something that he normally had to do by hand.
[speaker001:] Yeah, like pay, the payroll and,
[speaker002:] Exactly, and there are,
[speaker001:] yeah, basically payroll.
[speaker002:] lots of them on the market.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [Breathing] But you do have to research that, find out what works for your system [breathing]. What kind do you have?
[speaker001:] Um, it's an I B M, I think it's a Professional Three Hundred, no, that's, that's the digital one. It's an, uh, I B M P C Junior, I think.
[speaker002:] Oh, well, that's a nice computer.
[speaker001:] Yeah she, she, uh, she uses it now, uh, my sister, to, actually, she moved and my father wasn't using it, *slash error
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, so she took it with her [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] She took it with her, *sd
[speaker002:] Yeah, don't blame her.
[speaker001:] because she needed it to do, she just finished up her Bachelor's degree
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] so I don't know if she's going to even use it anymore. It, it's,
[speaker002:] Yeah [breathing]. Oh, well, well, encourage her to try other things, because, [breathing] um, I am, uh, I work in a school system, and I teach writing and [breathing] we use the computers a great deal for word processing, [breathing] you know, because students really do seem to be freer when they write on the computer, as you probably found out yourself,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [Breathing] but, um, I also am sponsoring a literary magazine, and we're doing our entire layout on the computer [breathing], uh, because of the graphics program and a page maker program that we have,
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah,
[speaker002:] a publishing program [breathing].
[speaker001:] that's, that's neat, that's,
[speaker002:] So, it is wonderful,
[speaker001:] a very good use.
[speaker002:] once you get into some of the programs [breathing] that are out now, you can do so much with them,
[speaker001:] [Breathing] Yeah.
[speaker002:] that you don't do until you really make yourself use them.
[speaker001:] Well, I know there, there's got to be a lot of uses, but [breathing] it's just y-, you have,
[speaker002:] You have to make yourself do it, yeah.
[speaker001:] to have a need. Yeah, but you have to have a need. I really have no need for it at all,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [Breathing] um, I work for Digital Equipment
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] [Breathing] and we have a powerful computer down at work.
[speaker002:] Oh [LAUGHTER] so, you don't need a personal one [LAUGHTER]?
[speaker001:] No, and I,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I still really don't do that much, as you say, play games on it [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] they're great for playing games.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] My brother,
[speaker002:] [Breathing] Well, my son is, uh, studying electronic technology, and he's been able to do things on [breathing], uh, on the personal computer here that really have enhanced his, [breathing] um, reports, and his learning and all because he can lay things out that way.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Um, and I guess it, if you're doing that sort of thing it's really useful, but, [breathing] um, unless it is, I guess it's kind of a waste.
[speaker001:] I know some people who just, they just went through a course, uh, and took the electronic grafting course,
[speaker002:] Oh, that's,
[speaker001:] drafting, not grafting,
[speaker002:] fascinating. Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] but drafting course,
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] the C A D.
[speaker002:] I knew what you meant, yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah, and that's really neat, I mean, yeah, you can do graphs, graphs on it too,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but this is, you know, this is one step above it, but it's actual, um, drafting,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and I always,
[speaker002:] Yes, you can do wonderful design. It, it's really, s-, well, especially when [breathing] anyone who's ever done any kind of drafting or engineering w-, uh, dr-, drawing, [breathing] um, [breathing] you have to be so precise.
[speaker001:] [Breathing] Yeah, and the computer does it all for you.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [Breathing] So it was really neat. I wanted to go to that course, but [breathing] my boss wouldn't pay for it,
[speaker002:] Oh, well [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I'm like, I'll get a job some day and my boss will pay for it, I'll be needed.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Because, um, I, I, I didn't want to go do it myself because I didn't think I was really going to use it.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] [Cough] I got this cough, I've got a cold because it was eighty degrees up here and I went outside with no coat on.
[speaker002:] [Breathing] Oh, boy [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah, it was bad.
[speaker002:] What a change, huh?
[speaker001:] Yes, it was a big change.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You couldn't really wear a coat because it was so hot, and then, again, I picked up a cold.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] [Cough] But I'm doing all right, getting over it.
[speaker002:] Well, that's good.
[speaker001:] So I don't, I don't even know how much, um, personal computers cost nowadays.
[speaker002:] [Breathing] Well, they vary tremendously. Um, because you can get because you're, they're, uh, the ones that were made a few years ago, [breathing] uh, have come down in price significantly, [breathing] um, you can get them, I've seen them for five, and six hundred dollars, but they 're much less, [breathing] um, have much less memory, and capable,
[speaker001:] Yeah, they can't do your, um,
[speaker002:] of much less.
[speaker001:] your drafting and your graphs,
[speaker002:] no, you can't do very much on them.
[speaker001:] and all of that.
[speaker002:] Right. Right. Um, well, it's just that you have to have, uh, you have to be able to get your program in, and, and,
[speaker001:] [Cough].
[speaker002:] m-, many of the programs are so big, [breathing] uh, they take up so much space that you don't have any place then to work. You don't have any,
[speaker001:] Yeah?
[speaker002:] bytes left [breathing] but, um, if you, um, if, if you want to go into one that's really useful, [breathing] you're going to have to go over a thousand dollars, and even for a personal computer it's probably smart to spend that much, [breathing] an-, and we've, ours is not quite that powerful, and so, you know, we are, we are limited,
[speaker001:] You do run in-,
[speaker002:] which may be one reason why,
[speaker001:] you do run into limitations on yours?
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah,
[speaker001:] Oh, wow.
[speaker002:] uh-huh, some things we can't do, [breathing] but, but then we haven't needed to either,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] you know, um, but we've been able to do what we can.
[speaker001:] Wow, that's neat that you ev-, you even reach the limits of yours. I haven't even begun to reach the limits,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] No, but I, mine is not as good as a P C, uh,
[speaker001:] Junior, yeah.
[speaker002:] uh, Junior, yeah. Yeah, ours is a Commodore One Twenty-eight.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [Lipsmack] And it, it's not quite as, um, as useful, not quite as powerful.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah. They,
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker001:] say that Commodore has made a good, um, P C for the price, though.
[speaker002:] [Breathing] They did, yeah, that's very true, that's very true, they did.
[speaker001:] Very competitive. I don't even, I don't even know much money my sister spent on hers, but I, I just thought I, it's, it's going to be a waste, she's not going to do it,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] not going to use it.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, well.
[speaker002:] Sounds like he, that you were right [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well, she likes it, she gets to write her reports, but like I say,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] she could have bought a much cheaper model and done what she wanted.
[speaker002:] And she could have bought a typewriter also [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah, a typewriter with memory would, [pause] would have been fine,
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] it's all she ev-, uses it for.
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker001:] Um, I think it might have a spelling editor on it, I'm not sure. Um, *slash error
[speaker002:] Yeah, it, yeah, it prob-, if, sh-, if it doesn't she could easily put it on.
[speaker001:] Yeah. *b Yeah,
[speaker002:] Yeah, right.
[speaker001:] that's one of, the one great thing about it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Right. Which program did you use? Did you use Word Perfect?
[speaker001:] Um, no, I, I really don't, it's, it was six years ago.
[speaker002:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker001:] She pretty much set it up. She goes, here, this is, you make your file, [breathing] and then you can, uh, edit it. Right?
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Um, I used the one, the one at work a lot, um, matter of fact, anything I've had to write from now on, [breathing] I had to ca-, [breathing] God forbid, write a couple of resumes, *listen to this and the previous two uttssame or separate? and I was just great, and all you have to do is just put it in a, uh, the sp-, spelling check mode,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And [LAUGHTER] I don't even have to look my, my words up anymore.
[speaker002:] Yeah, they're great, you're right [breathing]. Well,
[speaker001:] Oh,
[speaker002:] I guess we've spent our time. I need to go help my daughter do something, so
[speaker001:] Okay, good.
[speaker002:] this has been fun talking to you.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Good luck.
[speaker001:] Yeah, well, bye.
[speaker002:] Uh, bye-bye.