[speaker001:] well how do you feel about spot testing spot testing for drugs
[speaker002:] well basically I think it would be a good idea myself I uh I think if somebody's not on drugs they have no reason you know to be afraid of it uh I do think that there has to be some controls uh like I don't think one test positive should
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh be uh the end of it you know I I think they should test more than once
[speaker001:] right yeah it's it's refreshing to hear somebody that has a similar opinion as mine I mean all these people that are against it that may they yeah they may not even be on drugs yet they they call it an invasion of privacy
[speaker002:] it um-hum
[speaker001:] and I don't see you know that to me that just doesn't sound like a valid argument because this company is paying you good money that you're working for
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] and they I believe that they have the right to know if you're using a a dangerous substance
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum there's so many jobs that uh really have other people's lives in their hands or even their own life and you know and it's uh
[speaker001:] but um-hum
[speaker002:] uh how can you do anything about a problem besides if you don't know about it
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you know and I just um I I think there definitely needs to be some control to it I guess it is possible to have a false positive report
[speaker001:] yeah no I I I agree that you know you there there needs to be a a well thought out sane approach to how to administer that program just because you know you you something can get mixed in the mail or
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] uh the chemicals could react incorrectly than than what you would expect them to and yeah you
[speaker002:] or somebody's test get mixed up with somebody else's I mean those things do happen
[speaker001:] right yeah
[speaker002:] uh I certainly wouldn't want people's lives ruined uh wrongly
[speaker001:] right and you know I've the the the company that I work for uh has just recently well you know within the last couple of years instituted for all new hired employees they submit to a uh urine test
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and they they say that there've been you know they they they've also implemented random testing
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it hasn't happened to me in the couple of years that you know it's been in progress but uh I I fully agree with it and there's you know there's all these memos going around about folks that are disgruntled and feel it's an invasion of privacy and
[speaker002:] uh-huh um-hum
[speaker001:] I I agree with you if if if you feel it's an invasion of privacy you've you've probably got something you're trying to hide
[speaker002:] yeah and you maybe need to look for some other type of job to do that uh doesn't require the testing
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] uh to me it's to me it's not an invasion of privacy I think it's people have a right to know if if uh their their life maybe is in jeopardy or uh
[speaker001:] or the quality of their products
[speaker002:] yeah their work the work they're doing for their company uh those things are all affected if not immediately it certainly does eventually
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I think that's where a lot of the problem is at first it doesn't seem to uh bother the quality of work
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but eventually it does
[speaker001:] right because it usually requires more and more of that substance that you're misusing to get the same effect
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] course I feel the same way on the AIDS problem I I don't think that's an invasion of privacy that's the only communicable disease that they're not allowed to test for you know and it's destroying a lot of people's lives
[speaker001:] and then and one of the few that they don't have a cure for
[speaker002:] yeah and it's you know it's it's destroying people's lives and I I think that person plus anybody in danger should should be know about it and be aware of it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so I don't know it's it's kind of hard to I guess the the gay movement has had a lot to do with considering that that uh an invasion of privacy of course that's not supposed to be what we're talking about today I guess so
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I kind of get off on a tangent here uh do you work for uh Texas Instruments uh-huh
[speaker001:] yes I do and I'm I'm down in the the central but I don't know how familiar you are with Texas but I'm in a we live in a town uh near a town called Temple which is right in between Waco and Austin on the freeway
[speaker002:] um oh that's probably way my brother did live in Grapevine Texas that's near Dallas
[speaker001:] right we're yeah we're probably about two two and a half hours south of him
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] it's pretty hot down there probably
[speaker001:] oh my it's actually we got about two inches of rain in about three hours yesterday and it's cooled things down somewhat it's getting more humid now but
[speaker002:] yeah oh did you really oh that's great uh-huh we we need rain real bad up here it's uh everything's really getting dry it's uh
[speaker001:] um it's been about three weeks since we had any
[speaker002:] yeah it's kind of at a dangerous level here people hauling water and uh it's getting real bad
[speaker001:] hum wow
[speaker002:] so so
[speaker001:] how about that well I hope you do get some rain up there
[speaker002:] um so do I uh I can't think of anything else uh
[speaker001:] but yeah I I I guess being in agreement kind of tends to limit the conversation you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh uh I can understand I know if somebody is using drugs and doesn't think there's anything wrong with them I can see them objecting you know there's a lot of people that think there's nothing wrong with
[speaker001:] one of the things I found interesting it it's funny that you mentioned that TI is pretty much a worldwide company and we have manufacturing plants all around the world
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] including some places where the use of certain drugs that are illegal here are not illegal
[speaker002:] um um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and the policy doesn't apply to those folks
[speaker002:] um is that right
[speaker001:] yeah they don't have to submit to drug testing like like they do here in the States and some places abroad
[speaker002:] oh I'll be darn
[speaker001:] yeah I thought that was kind of interesting too
[speaker002:] yeah yeah the different cultures and that too uh
[speaker001:] yeah I mean uh uh from from a quality standpoint that's not I mean just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it doesn't affect you the same way
[speaker002:] no no I'm sure it would have to affect you the same way I I can't think that would make any differen ce whether it was legal or not it it would have to affect you the same way
[speaker001:] yeah right yeah but like if you're going to do business in another country you've got to respect their rules I mean if if you know that's that's the trade off I guess
[speaker002:] um-hum oh yeah you can't you go by their laws
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] the same way our people have to go by their laws when they're over there that's why a lot get in trouble
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] because they have to follow their rules and uh some of the countries are very much against drugs and
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you use them you pay for it
[speaker001:] usually with your life in some places you know
[speaker002:] yeah yeah a lot of them yeah where where is it they lose a
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] if they steal they lose a thumb or a finger is that where it is I thought wow you know that's quite a deterrent
[speaker001:] yeah from the Middle East yeah Iraq Iran in that area yeah well in in Saudi Arabia you know using uh alcohol and drugs and stuff like that you get the death penalty
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] so it's pretty strict over there
[speaker002:] yeah so I guess you know we really we have so many freedoms over here we sometimes forget about how great our country is
[speaker001:] well people tend to take the first amendment out of context which which means you know I could do anything I want to and you can't stop me and you know
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum they they abuse it is what they do yeah yeah
[speaker001:] yeah yeah so that's
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] I don't know I'm I'm I'm glad to see more and more companies implementing the policy
[speaker002:] um