[speaker001:] well how polluted do you think we are down here
[speaker002:] uh well I guess we're not as bad as a lot of places but uh we're out here on the Great Plains so there's some place for it to go
[speaker001:] I think so uh-huh yeah I guess so and it's still a little bit flat around here and there's no specific mountains to hem it in
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh we used to live in California and although we were not in the smoggy area of Los Angeles we used to visit down there and honestly you could you could you could see the smog hanging over the city it's just about uh
[speaker002:] yeah I've heard that
[speaker001:] yes we can and a friend of mine lives out in San Bernardino and uh uh just beyond San Bernardino is the desert and separating San Bernardino from the desert are some mountain ranges and when the smog gets very very bad in Los Angeles it moves out there and then is bounded by that mountain range and literally hangs over San Bernardino
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] it's a very very strange thing
[speaker002:] yeah I think that's probably the problem with any of the coastal cities I think that's what New York has such a problem with
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah although you know
[speaker002:] you know the the the way that the air masses move around the the sea coast uh and it really just like making and stuff just hang over whatever cities happen to be on the coast
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum yeah  I I do think that's what's one of the real problems although I grew up in New York and I never noticed this kind of pollution as I I saw in uh you know southern California
[speaker002:] I don't think it's as bad yeah
[speaker001:] and then um-hum
[speaker002:] I know there's some because in my visits to New York I noticed that my I wear I'm a contact lens wearer and I noticed that I have to uh take out my contacts
[speaker001:] yes um-hum oh clean them
[speaker002:] yeah I can't wear them as many hours during the day as I can other places but you know I mean that's not just New York I mean that's also Europe you know Rome is the worst city I've ever been at
[speaker001:] uh oh um-hum uh oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] course now I hear that uh you now like Mexico City is real bad for that
[speaker001:] oh I see well I've never been down there
[speaker002:] and also places in Brazil like Sao Paulo you know
[speaker001:] is that right well what are they doing down there that causes such a thing what kind of industries do they have
[speaker002:] yeah well they have no they have no pollution controls whatsoever
[speaker001:] I see
[speaker002:] so whatever industry they do have even though they don't have as much as we have they just like fire away you know
[speaker001:] um-hum I see um
[speaker002:] they control nothing I mean it's like it's like you know the situation it you know Brazil even though there's there's in Brazil uh it it's my understanding because I have some friends there that are Brazilian uh there's an upper-class and a lower-class and no middle-class
[speaker001:] oh I see um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and so you know the lower class is working uh in the factories which pollute the air and the upper classes make the money off of the factories
[speaker001:] um-hum um oh I see uh-huh um
[speaker002:] and so pollution is a big problem for all of the you know underdeveloped countries because they're not going to they're not going to start instituting regulations that are going to impede their whatever industry they happen to have
[speaker001:] um profits I guess um-hum yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] which you know that's kind of going to be the end result you know Bush I was reading in the Wall Street Journal today you know Bush's moratorium on regulatory
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] uh things right now that are going to impede business the first effect that it has had is the EPA had some new regs up
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] for um congressional approval that had to do with making industries uh itemize uh different types of things that they were you know
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] putting into the air you know part of the clean air act you know which is to help enforce the clean air act and so that of course you know the moratorium on new regulations has you know hamstrung that
[speaker001:] um-hum right um-hum that's right uh-huh I I know that a lot of the European countries and Mexico and the South American countries simply do not have the governmental regulations and I think that unless the government is uh on top of this or at least instrumental in trying to do something that nothing is really going to be done by private industry until they you know get that push it really wasn't done in our country
[speaker002:] absolutely not not any profit driven industry because you know they're just absolutely not going to you know sit still for anything that's going to take away from profits I mean we're we're living in the greed generation here I mean there is no there is
[speaker001:] you know um um-hum yeah uh-huh um-hum um-hum uh-huh the greed generation oh what a terrible thing to say uh-huh
[speaker002:] sure I mean you know I mean I've heard I've heard that before and I'm now beginning to believe it because
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you know what I mean I have some limited involvement in some in some what you would call I guess environmental type entities I'm an attorney and I write letters for a number of environmental um
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum oh I see um-hum
[speaker002:] uh purposes and you know it it is amazing to me that people can sit here and look at the situation that we have globally and say you know what the hell
[speaker001:] um-hum oh I know um um-hum
[speaker002:] because uh you know it's it's really apparent to me especially living in a city the size of Dallas that the wide open spaces that where always the justification for why worry you know are going away
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum um oh