[speaker001:] well Pat what do you wear to work
[speaker002:] well it depends on the day and what I feel like I don't have a
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] a real like strict dress code as far as you know suits and everything I can wear pretty much what I want as long as it's decent
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] you know I can wear blue jeans I can wear a dress I can dress up
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so it just depends on the mood I'm in and where I'm going you know if I got a customer coming in then I'll dress up If not you know hey
[speaker001:] yeah my my schedule yeah my schedule's pretty similar I um I teach so on the days I teach I teach a couple days a week so whenever I teach I try and wear a tie
[speaker002:] blue jeans uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh but that's I wear normally just wear like
[speaker002:] well that's all
[speaker001:] khaki pants and a shirt and tie I never wear a sport coat that's ridiculous but then most of the time you know then I just have to uh I can wear jeans or
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] or just casual clothes I think they I think they frown on shorts and sneakers but I think I could probably get away with jeans and sneakers uh
[speaker002:] oh we can't even wear shorts
[speaker001:] yeah I could well if I don't have to see students and uh I'm just in my lab and no one sees me then I'm probably okay
[speaker002:] oh no shorts are no no go here you can't wear shorts you can't wear uh like halters and stuff like that and to me really you can't wear anything that's
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh outside clothing you know like for the summer time and uh in the winter time I guess you can pretty much wear what you want as long as it's presentable that's what I consider
[speaker001:] right um-hum yeah well that makes sense uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know just don't get too outrageous here
[speaker001:] yeah as long as you're clean and yeah that makes a lot of sense
[speaker002:] and not too dressy like you know after five stuff I've never some of them get sort of touchy too so
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah that's true
[speaker002:] and uh the women you see you have you can't wear halters or nothing like that I mean at all
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] like even if you got a jacket on you got to have a bra on and all that stuff
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] which no big deal to me so but as far as dress for dressing for work that I don't it doesn't bother me I'd prefer if we had a uniform
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] I really would to save a lot of money if you had a uniform
[speaker001:] yeah that would matter that would
[speaker002:] because when I while I was in the service and see I had clothes that I could wear whenever I got ready but you had to wear that uniform to work and so you knew what you was going to wear wasn't no what am I going to wear today
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah and you don't have to worry about fashion and stuff too you know buying nicer clothes and things yeah that makes a lot of sense
[speaker002:] nope that's right I wouldn't mind having a uniform people think I'm crazy but
[speaker001:] well you know my mother's a waitress and she has like three uniforms that she sort of wears in rotation and she likes that you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh that's right yeah because it it doesn't mess up your clothes either
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah your your
[speaker002:] you know because like at work if something gets on my clothes and ruins it it's just ruined
[speaker001:] um-hum that's right where the the uniform as as a waitress now your uniform really it might be a little expensive when you first buy it but you know that's it doesn't it's made of polyester so it doesn't stain like cotton or wool would you know
[speaker002:] yeah well see if you work at a fast food because I work at Wendy's sometime on the weekends
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and they give you the uniform so it it's supplied so you know if it messes up hey it's their uniform they messed it up you only wear it you know to Wendy's so if you mess it up at Wendy's
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] there's no big deal
[speaker001:] yeah well that makes sense yeah that makes a lot of sense
[speaker002:] but you know uh of course TI I'm sure if they ever went to uniforms they're not going to just give them to you
[speaker001:] um-hum that's something
[speaker002:] but now some of the people around here do wear uniforms you know the facility guys or maintenance crew and the truck drivers and all of them have have TI
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah um-hum that's probably the people that probably the people that are prone towards getting dirty
[speaker002:] yeah the yeah that's what they are too
[speaker001:] yeah with the type of job that you have you might be getting dirty either either manual label labor where you'll perspire heavily or uh or where you'll come in contact with uh oil and things
[speaker002:] yeah yeah because they're always in the high space up you know working on stuff
[speaker001:] right um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and all I do is I sit at a desk and program but that's not going to get me dirty so
[speaker001:] yeah that's what yeah I find too um if you're a programmer do you get cold does your how's your air conditioning work
[speaker002:] well uh mine it works pretty good I have a sweater at work because sometimes it gets chilly and everything you know but uh but the whole building's like that I'm not in a clean room or nothing so
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah um-hum oh oh see yeah because my office is really heavily air conditioned because I guess they they keep the air conditioning on all the time where they don't in a lot of the other offices because of the computers and um
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah well see I just have my the whole building is computerized okay and so it's all air conditioned but my my computer is like by my desk and then
[speaker001:] right um-hum yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] you go to another cube and then somebody else's but uh the computer rooms now they're real cold and I don't have to work in one of those
[speaker001:] yeah yeah see sometimes my air conditioning gets really cold I think it's probably because my office is one of the only ones air conditioned in a
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] a large area you know probably probably that's why I get because sometimes boy I'll get I'll freeze it's so cold in there especially when it's ninety degrees outside
[speaker002:] oh well then yeah it's just no matter and seems like it kicks in extra hard
[speaker001:] right yeah and blows on my legs man one time I left I thought I was going to I thought I was going to freeze the one day I wore shorts to the office because I was just going to be in my lab and I wanted to be comfortable because I thought the air conditioning would be all turned off you know and jeez if it wasn't the air conditioner wasn't blowing it wasn't fifty five degrees yeah
[speaker002:] um-hum cold huh I think the reason why we can't wear shorts is because then the women and the men would be in competition
[speaker001:] that's true a lo t of those nice looking legs yeah
[speaker002:] see and then you guys couldn't work
[speaker001:] yeah I was just laughing it's funny that um we get clothing you know because uh I'm I'm in graduate school I only work part time and my wife
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] we recently we decided we'd buy a sewing machine because that would be a good investment you know and we could make clothes and save money so she's made me shorts
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] well of course you know she makes shorts and she says here I made you shorts and they're uh they're a nice material nice checkered plaid material here but but she didn't put a fly in them you know the pattern she bought didn't have a fly so it's like well they're fine for her but uh you know they're just everyday summer shorts you know but there's no fly
[speaker002:] yeah yeah you kidding me those are real good for men to wear so
[speaker001:] yeah they're not for a guy that really changes your the whole way you do your day so I was laughing I thought that was funny you know because well I I was up at the office and everybody says oh jeez those new shorts they I think they were laughing because they are sort of a wild
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] color you know but I was just crossing through to get my mail and stuff
[speaker002:] um-hum now my boss now he he golfs every weekend
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so he's got different outfits and he cracks me up with these color codes
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] the uh his aqua colors and I tell him see only people like you on the golf course wears them colors that's the only place you could probably wear it you know
[speaker001:] that's probably true without being laughed at uh-huh yeah I'm not I've never I laugh at the wardrobe my father-in-law wears golf clothes and it's the only time he puts on those funny clothes yeah he doesn't wear those in the back yard or casually around
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh now oh yeah yep no just when they go to play golf
[speaker001:] just when they go to play golf they wear those funny clothes hat's true
[speaker002:] now I think IBM now IBM has a strict dress code when I uh I went to apply for them before I came here and they men they used to have to they have to wear white shirts I don't care what their job is they have to wear a suit
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and see to me that's ridiculous because you're working with all that xerox machines and stuff like that all that black ink huh-uh no give me a break dude no I think them them people should be able to wear blue jeans
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] you know because that stuff gets really bad
[speaker001:] yeah but they have that dress code I I you know I also know um EDS
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh EDS I have some friends that interviewed with EDS and uh you know they interviewed while they were in college so they didn't really have a suit with them and the woman said to them well your second interview would be
[speaker002:] they have a dress uh-huh
[speaker001:] here but oh and on that day I would say wear a suit because I guess they just had on a sport coat and the one guy even had like um a gel in his hair you know his hair was sort of slicked back
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] you know which is popular with the kids and and she says oh and you know uh I wouldn't put the gel in my hair you know in other words you're to borrow a suit two or three piece suit
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] with no gel in your hair you know and that would she made it pretty clear during the interview you know the the first interview how they were supposed to dress for the second interview you know
[speaker002:] yeah God
[speaker001:] so I thought that was really funny too you know
[speaker002:] I don't think that should be your hair I mean yeah I guess so because some people do get wild with their hair
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you know with these haircuts now some of these haircuts boy I tell you I I don't know
[speaker001:] I don't think my hair has probably changed in ten years
[speaker002:] it's funny because my son is fifteen
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and he's into this fading crap you know
[speaker001:] he he's into what
[speaker002:] the fade like it looks like no hair uh
[speaker001:] uh oh really
[speaker002:] wait a minute and so he has hair though he can I can only let him fade it a little bit
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I tell him he's got to have hair all over or none one or the other you know you're not going to be going around with nine hundred ninety nine parts in your head and people's names carved in your head and no no huh-uh and not going no where with me he's not
[speaker001:] yeah I see them I see the kids with the the things cutting their hair all the time
[speaker002:] I told him no no hum-um we can't have that I'm not one of them liberated parents I guess I don't know
[speaker001:] well that's you know my dad was the same way I thought it was really funny back in the nineteen seventies my brother came home with cowboy boots on while was growing up in Pittsburgh and my dad called my brother Tex for about the next four weeks
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know and other than calling him Tex he barely talked to him because he was so angry he was wearing cowboy boots
[speaker002:] well down here that's no big deal
[speaker001:] yeah I thought it was just so funny you know my dad we're not in Texas it was very funny you know and all that over a pair of cowboy boots and it was finally my mother convinced him she you know the cowboy boots give you about uh an inch lift you know they sort of have a heavier heel
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and she and we're all short the whole family's short so she said well Sam if he wears cowboys that gives him another inch and it just may be