[speaker001:] okay well uh how do you feel about uh drug testing
[speaker002:] um personally I don't have a problem with it uh I think uh as far as uh protecting fellow employees protecting their reputation of the company and the quality of work that the people do um it's justified on the other hand um I do agree that it's it's a it's an invasion of privacy as far as a person's involvement outside of work um I would never I would never have a problem with anyone testing me but I can understand why people would object so I guess uh I guess uh I'm kind of mixed on it still at this point
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I am too a little bit I mean I I don't want to be around people who are really on drugs and that sort of thing and and you know obviously they're probably not going to be doing a good job and so forth but I don't really like having to do it
[speaker002:] um-hum that's right
[speaker001:] it and I don't like the idea of it it's it's makes too much of a big brother type of thing
[speaker002:] that's absolutely right it it uh I guess it all comes down to uh you know a a definition of uh how much out outside activities affect your work and uh uh granted you know any any kind of drug use on on company property and whatnot is is definitely not acceptable uh uh I don't think anybody would ever argue that or uh
[speaker001:] yeah hum-um
[speaker002:] any any after affects carrying over into the workday but um you know I I don't I'm not particularly concerned with what people do um after they leave for the day especially if I don't if I don't uh see any results of it the next day
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I think so too but you know it's one of those things
[speaker002:] well it it is it you know on the other hand you you've got uh you've got the uh the possibility of people oh you've got some people could be arrested for uh drug use drug dealings and things like that and uh if their if their employers name hits the papers and that it's it's it's a mark against them the company and uh you know what kind of people work there what uh
[speaker001:] yeah plus I guess if they are in trouble enough to be jailed or something of that nature for any length of time then the company has lost what they've put into that employee and their expertise or whatever
[speaker002:] that's right that's right right even even if it is you know a company policy of uh immediate termination or whatever they still have to replace them
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh there's there's a lot involved there
[speaker001:] well do you think that um it should be like we have this sort of random spot testing type of thing or do you think it would be more palatable if we had some sort of regular schedule or would that just allow everybody a chance to get out of it
[speaker002:] I think I think the regular schedule stuff um that when you say everybody get out of it that's a good point I never really thought of it that way
[speaker001:] well you know if if they have time enough they can
[speaker002:] yeah they really can um I think the big the biggest problem I've got is is forcing it on someone after they've already
[speaker001:] stay off of it
[speaker002:] agreed to the terms of employment um as far as the new hires I I hired on just early enough that I I missed it um where the new hires were concerned but uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] not nobody no I don't think anybody questions that um testing someone as a as a as a pre condition to being hired but um for the conditions of employment to change while you're on the job that's I I don't know that that's where I think that most people get upset it's uh yeah it it's changing the rules in the middle of the game basically and uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it's just it it's a really tough question and it you know it people have have really quieted down after everything started but I still think there's a lot of there's a lot of resentment
[speaker001:] I think so too uh I know the the group I was in at the time this all came up they uh were quite vocal about it uh through electronic mail boy they just really
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know let them have it from one end to the other vehemently but uh it has quieted down but I don't think they probably feel any differently and some some of them did quit the company
[speaker002:] you bet no that's right yeah I I know of some people who did uh it was it was indirectly related you know they could always come up with other reasons but it it had a lot to do with it just uh the the whole attitude because it's really uh it's just really it it seems so unTI you know with the the whole relaxed atmosphere that we have um to all of a sudden
[speaker001:] true
[speaker002:] uh start forcing attitudes and whatnot you know there's not a lot of pressure to to vote the right way or anything else around TI like there like there is in some companies or at least you know from what I've heard but uh
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I wouldn't like anything of that nature you know don't tell me what to do you know
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum no absolutely absolutely not you know it's it's it's if you know if you hired me I'll be you know supposedly you agreed with a majority of my views and my qualifications to begin with so uh you know let's let's stick with that original trust I guess huh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh it's it's still it it still remains a tough question and it's there's a lot of you know the whole the whole department of defense uh reasoning behind the original plan and whatnot there's a lot of different things that uh come into play but that was I think everybody everybody pretty much knows that that was kind of a smoke screen to implement it throughout the whole company
[speaker001:] yeah well I guess too if I thought that this would help really and truly do away with the drug problem then that would be one thing but I think it's too minor and too
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know in in the whole scope of things this isn't going to to have any real affect on what's going on on the street
[speaker002:] I really don't think so yeah I really don't because some people are going to are are going to risk it um it may prevent I I guess I guess what I'm trying to get at is if it if it if it does help a few individuals maybe maybe it's worth it um you know it may prevent somebody who was was teetering on the edge of experimenting or whatnot but uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I don't know if you know the it's it's a needs of the few and the needs of the many type situation I don't know if everybody should have to sacrifice quite as much there there's still a big question in my mind that the the absolute refusal to accept the possibility of of mistakes on the testing is something that still bothers me it it's
[speaker001:] well yes that yes I I think that could be a big problem you know I would just be irate if they said it was positive and I knew it wasn't you know that just really rub me the wrong way
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum absolutely and that I I don't know if uh I don't know if everybody understands all the implications on that too even even if you you know if you take uh a a drug that was prescribed prescribed for you but the the prescription has run out you still had some left and you happen to take an extra penicillin well penicillin's not on the list but you know yeah I I think you understand what I'm getting at it it can still show up and it can still flag as a positive and and those kinds of things obviously that's not the intent
[speaker001:] yeah yeah right no
[speaker002:] and uh those are the kinds of things that still can show up
[speaker001:] I guess the one that really got me too was that uh let's say your spouse is on a particular drug and you know what that is and then you end up with the same problem and you take their leftover medicine that's not allowed
[speaker002:] um-hum that's right
[speaker001:] you know that's that's totally out
[speaker002:] that's right I even had friends when I was going to college who were in uh who are in pharmacy school and they could legally um provide medicine to their family mens family family members and friends certain medicines were were legal now I I I believe you know any of the any of the ones we would we would be tested for wouldn't be on those lists but uh um there were certain things that they could provide without a doctors prescription based on their qualifications and that can happen but uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh that's interesting well well I guess we've exhausted that one
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I think so you too good-bye
[speaker001:] enjoyed talking to you good-bye