[speaker001:] Okay, would you, uh, like to begin or would you like me to start?
[speaker002:] Uh, oh, I can start.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] I, I think one of the, the biggest, uh, improvements in women is that finally you're starting to see them get into, uh, management
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] and you're seeing them, uh, get, uh, elected to, uh, [static] political offices.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, not near enough. I know there's still a long way to go especially in top management [static].
[speaker001:] Yes, I agree.
[speaker002:] You're not seeing, you know, looking at T I, you see them in management, but you're not seeing them up there as V P -s.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And I have a sister that's an attorney in Oklahoma City, and I know the company that she was with, uh, the women didn't h-, have near the positions, the levels that the men attorneys had.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And were not, uh, given the same respect.
[speaker001:] I agree with that. I, I think you do see more and more women out there in politics, too, as mayors
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] or, uh, you know, in, in helping to maybe, uh, get some legislation passed to, to have women have more rights. I think still, even with that whole, um, thing with Judge Thomas and, and, uh, you, you still felt like the woman was the one that you would maybe discredit first before the man or something the way they had the trial and
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, I just think that it's, it's still going to take another generation or so before, before the women really, could really feel that they're really equal in the business world and that they work just as hard or harder [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Right, right.
[speaker001:] Uh, but it's still, uh, going from, from homemakers into, uh, corporate leaders is still a big step.
[speaker002:] Right, I also think that, uh, uh, women as homemakers are beginning to get more respect than they used to be. Used to be people would say, do you work, and you'd say, no, I work in the home and
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] it was, it was, then it was almost like a put down, particularly, particularly even by women in the work force. But, I think now, I think people are realizing that the roles women play in the home are very, very important.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] And it's getting the respect and, which is about time.
[speaker001:] I think it's true. I think also people are having children at a older age
[speaker002:] Yes, very definitely.
[speaker001:] so it's maybe like, uh, you know, you go through college and then you maybe work for a few years and then you have your first child and, uh, you know, you, you know both sides of the coin.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] You know what it's like and how much work it takes to keep the house running smoothly, and to take care of the kids. And, and then, uh, maybe people that are just working and think, oh, you just stay at home. But then when they're in their thirties and have their first and second kid, it's like, they lose it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Right.
[speaker001:] They say, wow! This is harder than I thought [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yes [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, you know.
[speaker002:] And, and, to those that have never worked and had, you know, and have stayed home with the kids, kind of does your heart good [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] I know it, I know.
[speaker002:] Because I know I stayed home with mine and didn't start working until mine were in high school.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, so, you know, it, it kind of does me good. I think also one of the things that, that's really tremendous and, it doesn't necessarily have to do with women, but the fact that the fathers are
[speaker001:] Are so involved.
[speaker002:] so involved with families.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] Which, again, I think it helps a woman's role.
[speaker001:] Right, right.
[speaker002:] You know,
[speaker001:] Their role has to change
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] to kind of accommodate us, too. I know, I have three children and my oldest is eleven and I've pretty much been home, uh, since Brian was born and, uh, just recently I went back to work, uh, last school semester to tutor, uh, high school age students with learning disabilities and I was just out of the house two days a week
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, I thought, wow, this is really hard, only, and it was only two days and I was home before three.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] But getting the baby to day care, getting the kids off to school, I still did everything I always do, you know, my husband still got up and went to work
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, uh, it, it, only those two, it made a big difference. I thought, wow, full time, I don't think I could swing that personally.
[speaker002:] Well, I had to, course, I work full time, but my [static] daughter and her husband were out of town so I had my grandchildren for
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] four days during, uh, football, soccer season
[speaker001:] Oh, boy.
[speaker002:] and so I would work and her, some friends would take care of the kids, but I would have to get them picked [static] up from there
[speaker001:] Pick up.
[speaker002:] get them fed, get them to practices
[speaker001:] Dinner.
[speaker002:] get homework done, get baths.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I was absolutely exhausted.
[speaker001:] I bet, I bet.
[speaker002:] And, and these women that are waiting until they're in their late thirties, or early forties to have their first children, I think are absolutely crazy.
[speaker001:] Well, I, I know a lot of people, I know I had my first child when I was twenty-five, and that's not considered really young these days, that's almost, you know
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, uh, I have friends that, that have kids just starting kindergarten and they're, they're forty years old. And, and then like maybe a two year old at home, and I think, boy, I, I'm, I'm in my thirt-,