[speaker001:] What kind of crime do you think, uh, is the most prevalent in our society?
[speaker002:] Oh, boy, probably, uh, robberies, people stealing from each other.
[speaker001:] Such as New York City [LAUGHTER]?
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Is that what happens up there a lot? Uh, th-, that, that's mostly what I hear, though, is people getting ripped off and things getting stolen. That's the most prevalent crime. Uh, the ones that really, you know, the ones that really add up after a while, I guess, you know, from, s-, far as insurance money and stuff like that, insurance costs. You know, everybody has to pay for it indirectly eventually.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I, I, I wonder if, uh, if drug use is a more prevalent crime, though, because, I mean, so many people use it, and even though just using is not really, I mean it is a crime,
[speaker002:] Oh, well, yeah, that, that, that is a crime. I guess, uh, when you, when you count all the little things that people do like, uh, speeding is a crime [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, that's true.
[speaker002:] I break that law every day [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] But I was, I, I was staying in the realm of, of felonies versus misdemeanors
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, uh, drug use, well, actually drug use is probably a misdemeanor, but, uh, what kind, what kind, have you been, uh, have you been the subject of such a crime, such as stealing, or anything?
[speaker002:] Well, I've, uh, I've been caught with marijuana before, so I guess that was a crime. I got a year's probation for that, but, uh,
[speaker001:] That, that's not that much. I mean
[speaker002:] No, it wasn't that
[speaker001:] you know, those aren't,
[speaker002:] big a deal.
[speaker001:] I,
[speaker002:] Uh, when I think of crime, I think of stuff that, that affects other people like people getting, you know, killed or raped. I think rape is one of the worst crimes [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think it is. I, in some ways, it's almost worse than murder.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's very degrading
[speaker001:] Uh,
[speaker002:] and,
[speaker001:] Murder, murder is, is hard on the people that were related to
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, I mean, it is a rather final solution, though [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, right, once, once a person's, you know, gone, then it's, [LAUGHTER] but the person that's been raped has to live with that the rest of their life, you know.
[speaker001:] Yes. What, what do you think is, uh, is an appropriate, uh, punishment for some of the various, you know, such as, things such as rape or, or, uh, murder
[speaker002:] Well
[speaker001:] or something like that.
[speaker002:] for, for a lot of the kind of premeditated murders, I think the death penalty is, it's a [breathing] pretty good thing.
[speaker001:] I agree with that.
[speaker002:] They, they have that down here in Florida still. They the electric chair and, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think Virginia does, too, up here.
[speaker002:] Oh, do they? Yeah, I think, I think that's still an appropriate penalty to pay if they absolutely sure they got the right guy and, I guess usually they're, they're always sure they [LAUGHTER] got the right guy, but, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think the appeal process takes too long.
[speaker002:] Yeah, so do I.
[speaker001:] I think, I, I think it should take, from conviction to execution should take no longer than a year.
[speaker002:] Yeah, i-, if that. You know, the sooner, a, a, a year's plenty of time
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] you know, for something to come out, I guess. Then, you know, there's been guys in jail for six years and the other guy admits that he did it and they [LAUGHTER], it's like oops, [LAUGHTER]. But,
[speaker001:] Well, yeah, I mean, the system isn't perfect, I mean, it's run by a bunch of imperfect humans.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] You do the best you can to make it perfect, you know, you, you go out of your way to try real hard to make it perfect.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] But, I think you have to accept some of the errors. I think that murder itself would decrease significantly if, if there was a credible punishment, uh, for murderers.
[speaker002:] Um, yeah, I don't know if it would or not though. I, I don't think it's a, so much of a deterrent as, as it is a, a good, uh, a good way for vengeance, you know, for the relatives and, and family members, you know what I mean?
[speaker001:] And society probably, too.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I mean, just general society to,
[speaker002:] Yeah, it kind of gets
[speaker001:] Uh,
[speaker002:] it off their chest.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it does and, and it decreases the prison population.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] And, which is
[speaker002:] Yeah, I know that
[speaker001:] significant
[speaker002:] a, a lot of the
[speaker001:] I mean,
[speaker002:] lot of murders that you hear about are people that know each other. And they're
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] the, kind of like crimes of passion and stuff like that. I don't think you'll ever stop all that stuff dead, but, I, y-, y-, you might be able to, uh, stop people, you know, they're thinking about it, they know they're going to get the chair if they get caught.
[speaker001:] Yeah, generally the crimes of passion and things like that, uh, are not premeditated.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] I mean, they can be, but usually they aren't.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] They're spur of the moment
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] and, uh, the premeditated murders, the ones where the person plots and plans, when you catch those, those individuals, I think that you, you end up with a, uh, uh, how do I want to, you end up with a s-, you end up with someone who's more dangerous to society
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] because they actually could harbor these thoughts for a long time.
[speaker002:] Yeah, they could p-, probably do it again.
[speaker001:] Yes, they, they would have no problems doing it again.
[speaker002:] That's right, they didn't have any time doing it the first time.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. And I think locking them up for, you know, fifty years doesn't do a, any good because
[speaker002:] No, it do-,
[speaker001:] as a, as a taxpayer, I'm going to pay, you know, one and a,