[speaker001:] well uh I guess that was it um I guess the uh it's interesting that they asked the benefits question I think because uh we just merged with another um division in our company and actually have different slightly different benefits so I guess the the things I'd look for um kind of things I call like safety net features like health insurance and uh possibly um retirement pension sorts of incentives and then I guess there's the things for like personal growth like uh educational reimbursement tuition like tuition reimbursement or uh
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] maybe uh money used for some kind of wellness program like to join a fitness center or something like that would be
[speaker002:] yeah but
[speaker001:] be interested in seeing
[speaker002:] I think it's important to have some place to go over the years in a within a company uh I work for uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] a university but we do defense contracts and with my job there's not much place to go I mean there's not there's not what you're hired in as is what you end up as
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] and the benefits are okay but I'd rather have more security
[speaker001:] that's interesting yeah I I was actually at uh Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh doing uh um I guess on research staff there and I I got a feeling that uh you know there wasn't really it wasn't really designed to provide real opportunities for advancement unless you happen to you know like a doctorate in something and then you could you know look at the you'd be eligible for the uh you know the uh
[speaker002:] are are uh you with with a university system now
[speaker001:] more important position than yeah
[speaker002:] you are well
[speaker001:] well no I'm not I'm sorry I'm at uh I'm actually doing um consulting in the commercial
[speaker002:] um what
[speaker001:] in in industry
[speaker002:] when I say it was a I like security but  what we did was a uh mostly radar some
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] counter stuff for Russians and things so I don't really exactly have a whole lot of security right now
[speaker001:] well that's interesting
[speaker002:] since uh they're not doing so good they're not a threat anymore so
[speaker001:] yeah but it seems like other uh the other people that are on the verge or already have missiles that those kinds of systems would be good at uh you know early detection
[speaker002:] yeah I'm I'm most all those systems are the same they came were originated Soviet Union so
[speaker001:] or oh okay so it's not viewed as that's interesting
[speaker002:] it's not real good you have good good benefits like vacation days does that mean much to you
[speaker001:] um actually I never thought of that I I I I guess I assumed that's part of the uh package but um I guess if the salary was you know enough then I might just make my own you know take the unpaid time off but uh um as long as you know it's not uh I guess what's more important than vacation is actually having the time to use it because a lot of times we're in projects where you know where the dates are critical and it's it's a little harder to plan a vacation when you're in that kind of environment
[speaker002:] we have it pretty good because I we we take our vacation anytime we want by the hour by the day
[speaker001:] um it's good
[speaker002:] I really like that if it's a pretty day uh if the work's not pressing I go fishing
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that means a lot to me it it it takes a lot of the stress of the job out too
[speaker001:] so so like a consistent work load would that be kind of a is that I don't know if that's considered a benefit it's just in kind of part of the environment you're in
[speaker002:] well we're spaced in timing too uh when we get toward the end of a contract then it's uh you can't leave
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and we're always behind time behind schedule out of money you have to donate your time and
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] we charge you know about four accounting purposes to the projects so there's no way that that you can take off vacation and charge it back to the project
[speaker001:] yeah huh
[speaker002:] so they're out of money so I don't know my next job I think I'm going to look at health insurance closer than I did this one
[speaker001:] interesting yeah it it's only been a problem I guess in our organization seems like um about the year after I joined was when they started passing on a lot higher percentage of the increases they were getting from the carriers but I've got an HMO
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] um with mine because I've got
[speaker002:] what what sort of monthly uh uh charges are uh are you uh married do you have family
[speaker001:] yeah uh one we're growing another um a little boy on the way it looks like
[speaker002:] all right well what's your monthly for your uh the health insurance
[speaker001:] so uh uh let's see it's um like thirty dollars a pay period so it's every two weeks so it's about