[speaker001:] uh all right Carolyn do you are you reading the papers about the the Middle East summit
[speaker002:] uh some
[speaker001:] yes I'm just a little bit too I think um I think I was worn out worn out from Middle East after the war
[speaker002:] yeah I think it kind of uh it didn't really take over the first page quite as much as it did I think during the war
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but uh we definitely need something there with all the hostages and
[speaker001:] yeah yeah what that's I think uh I don't know in the short run it would be really nice to get the hostages all back I think that's really uh
[speaker002:] what all um-hum
[speaker001:] really important I I I can't I guess we grew up in such a different world I could never even imagine taking hostages
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but I think they just have a whole different world than we do so I don't know but I don't know what do you think some of the long term repercussions might be
[speaker002:] oh well you know I just see this Middle East situation with with Russia and everything there that's happened I think that that crisis has kind of slowed down and I see the Middle East as being you know the real hot spot of the future so to speak
[speaker001:] um yeah
[speaker002:] so I guess I view view it as being the prime importance as far as
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] trying to negotiate trying to wind down some of the tensions and everything that are there
[speaker001:] yeah I think um I don't know I have uh I just have this this civil rights mentality I I guess you know should we or or you know should should we uh those I wish those countries could have the same type of freedoms or whatever that we do
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I guess that's what I I hope for them but some of them don't want those freedoms I think their their religious beliefs may um may not you know they may not want it as a whole so I think that's something that has to be considered too but I think that's a that's really a long term
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] type thing I don't know the the it said think about long term repercussions and I was just thinking well peace is peace you know and that's really is the nicest thing
[speaker002:] um-hum I guess the question in my mind somewhat and and it depends on the country you know I think some are more peaceful than others
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] if you look at um Iraq for example and you know the recent thing with the UN going in there and the the
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] bomb development and all this kind of stuff you know uh gosh I think you know we should have got him while we could
[speaker001:] yeah yes I I think so I think um
[speaker002:] or whatever and I think there's a certain mentality to that that's in the Middle East you know that's this constant fighting you know and
[speaker001:] right I think I think they realized we would probably never push him out and uh I think the other probably all of the other Arab countries said that we were sort of wimpy for not forcing him out because
[speaker002:] yeah I think they they look at force as a way of
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you you know their their means to their ends
[speaker001:] yeah yep
[speaker002:] and um so I you know I don't know so much if these peace talks are gonna I don't know how much they'll stay to them you know if even if we say that we're going to do stuff I don't know how they'll stick to that
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I I think the the thing is though I I guess the the Arab countries that used to argue with us or not support any ideas ideas that that coincide with the the US ideas or whatever used to probably receive money from the Soviet Union
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I guess that's all gone I think that's really uh probably what started the whole process I
[speaker002:] uh-huh well that's probably a bonus on our part
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] yes it is
[speaker001:] I think I think that they're so they're so much more vulnerable now because they don't receive support
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] from the Soviet Union so I guess they're saying well you know we can eat two ways or we can get this aid free from these countries from two ways we can either act like we're gonna be pro communist or act like we're going to be pro uh pro democracy and whatever gets us the most out of it that's what we'll act like we're going to do but we really won't change in the long run I think that's the way I sort of see them all working you know
[speaker002:] yeah I tend to agree with you you know I think they have in mind what they want to do and I think
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] a lot of times their slogan is might makes right
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and you know it kind of the forceful you know I don't know I I just don't think peace is uppermost in their minds
[speaker001:] yeah it's it's really funny as an American and always being an ally with the Israelis I always find it very hard in my heart to align to align with the Israelis because they seem to be just as bad as the Arabs you know but then again they have to live in that environment they have to be subjected to
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] all of the Arab bombings and terrorist attacks and whatever and they have to negotiate
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] almost everything and then you think to yourself well you know in your heart you don't want to be aligned with somebody that's mean and cruel to someone else but if that's the environment that they have to live in and survive in then you have to sort of like I don't know logically