[speaker001:] a tough one
[speaker002:] yes it is I know well I I believe in it
[speaker001:] would you like to begin uh-huh do you feel like there should be any kinds of restrictions on when it's
[speaker002:] I think uh yes I do think that but I do think that I believe in it whole heartedly I really think that a lot of crime we have the criminal
[speaker001:] obviously
[speaker002:] you know element is just unreal I work in a high school here
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and it just boggles my mind what's happened over the last few years
[speaker001:] really do you mean even with adolescents
[speaker002:] you know I've been there fifteen sixteen years and just watching the mentality of our teenagers and and this tough stuff that's going on now you know
[speaker001:] uh-huh do you feel that it should be applied to them as well then same kind of laws or
[speaker002:] I uh well I think that they should tougher laws for the teenagers yes I do believe that not but not the uh capital punishment for them
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] I really don't feel that but I do feel tougher laws but some way I feel they have to uh revise our criminal system
[speaker001:] you think it's too lenient over all
[speaker002:] um-hum I really do and I think that the um oh rehab is terrible you know they put them in there and there's too it's just because of numbers though I understand the rehab is so big that they can't
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but any way back to capital punishment I do believe in it for murderers and and especially um
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] oh you know when they actually thinking about it is that number one manslaughter something like that
[speaker001:] oh premeditated you mean versus uh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] I I don't know I'm not real sure premeditated right murder definitely of course I do feel that and then these
[speaker001:] at this point most capital punishment is really uh related to murder though right I mean there's no capital punishment unless a life has been lost
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] I think I think that's the right
[speaker002:] right right and um
[speaker001:] I wonder something I mean I believe as you do that something needs to change but I wonder sometimes what what makes an impact on criminals that do this kind of a crime I mean it it almost seems like they either don't believe it'll ever be them that's caught or if they do they don't really value their lives enough to care if they would lose their lives
[speaker002:] um-hum that's true
[speaker001:] it's it's I I'm not even sure I I feel uh in between I guess I'm I'm not sure that I have a strong commitment either direction because
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I don't know enough about what what would motivate these people you know I do think that they are some times um
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] put in a rehabilitation program when there's really a very small chance of rehabilitation that that they're coddled for too long and they get the kind of courtesies of our society that that
[speaker002:] right um-hum
[speaker001:] the homeless would love to have you know something's wrong here
[speaker002:] yes yes that's right that's for sure
[speaker001:] but it's a tough one
[speaker002:] well and sometimes the uh on the rehab uh I've just from being around the students that I'm around they know how to talk to the authorities they know exactly what to say to anybody in a
[speaker001:] in in what respect
[speaker002:] uh they know the right answers you know
[speaker001:] like what's within their legal rights or do you mean how to manipulate the system
[speaker002:] right what's well what's within their legal rights and how to manipulate them
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and how to manipulate them just just they they answer to authority and to people to adults and that type of thing that they have to answer to or even the criminals do in to the people that count the judges and that type of thing you know they they usually answer to them
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] in a way that like I said manipulative they just manipulate they've manipulated manipulated so long so this is
[speaker001:] so they feign for example that they're really are um apologetic or what ever for their crime but they're
[speaker002:] um-hum right and sorry right and very very sorrowful and then when they get out then we run into the problem of getting right back into a routine again of the same thing
[speaker001:] but but you know that they aren't um-hum um-hum I'm sure that's easily learned if they don't get it from their peers they get it from going through the system one time being in juvenile court or what ever
[speaker002:] so um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] do you know if there's much of a difference between the law I'm I'm embarrassed to say I don't know between Texas and California what what difference is there
[speaker002:] I really don't myself I really don't I know they permit it here but I don't know you know the difference in it actually
[speaker001:] hum uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] in fact we just had um a person put to death uh about three weeks ago was in in Texas and I forget for the reason now oh it was for the uh that clergy that he murdered he murdered a uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] a uh it was a priest I believe he murdered
[speaker001:] oh my uh-huh it is interesting to look at other cultures other countries and see how different their rates are you know you look at even um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] countries like Saudi Arabia where there's a lot of emotion and sometimes an