[speaker001:] well the topic is is very apropos to what's going on um how do you feel about our topic
[speaker002:] well I feel like uh I do feel like we pay a lot of taxes I don't mind paying a lot of taxes if the taxes taxes are spent well
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] but uh I'm not convinced that they're being spent well um
[speaker001:] um I think that's because uh it's like I told someone the other day I'm a housewife and uh among uh working mother too and I know how it is to live on a budget and I hear what you're saying
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] you know our taxes it's nice to see them spent for things that benefit the community but when we see them wasted that's when we think we're paying too much
[speaker002:] well I feel I I mean one of the things is when it's it it's not going it's going into a lot of military stuff which is badly spent
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and not going into a lot of infrastructure things uh or or um you know social needs
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] that that it could I mean when you look at the pie it's uh where our money is spent it's it's uh very very um skewed
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh so I don't feel like I I just don't feel like they're doing what I would do with it
[speaker001:] well I think uh in a way that's that's uh almost off our topic in you know in that uh they didn't want us to talk about how it was spent but I don't think you can separate it I know um I felt very fortunate once when I talked with a lady from England and she said their taxes are at least fifty percent
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh in talking to people I've met from other places uh we do seem to get off light except you know if you ever make money one year now you pay all this horrible taxes and you don't get to keep any of it
[speaker002:] well uh but the people who pay a lot of taxes also get a lot of services they have national health
[speaker001:] that's
[speaker002:] so you know uh
[speaker001:] oh yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] in other words yes that's why I say
[speaker001:] in the other countries
[speaker002:] yeah so I'm saying if we did I wouldn't mind paying what we pay
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] or even more if I got a lot of stuff back for it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh
[speaker001:] well on national health so many of them can't use it they say because they never can get in to see their doctors
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] at least in England
[speaker002:] I we hear that here uh some although we get some people who obviously don't want it like
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] like rich doctors
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] who who'd rather us not have it I think but I don't know I I just and local taxes um I think are probably just about the same you know the school the school taxes and all of that income of course is not a a topic in in Texas yet but I'm sure it's coming
[speaker001:] um-hum I hope it doesn't I uh I hope not but I don't see any way out of it unless we start cutting some spending drastically
[speaker002:] yeah no that's true I've lived in uh states where they had income tax and you you know and you just get used to it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh again again um it just depends on what they're what it's being spent on
[speaker001:] of course I I think the sales tax is about the most equitable tax there is because if you don't uh buy and participate you don't have to have to pay it
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] and uh that way people who use the facilities and live outside of the area basically help pay some of the upkeep for it
[speaker002:] yeah and sometimes and sometimes I think it does work that way um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but they you know uh uh again it's it's you you you have the different kind of taxes then then then what are they being used for and who is deciding what they are being used for
[speaker001:] and how much is spent to administrate administrate them
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] all those people are doing those things and and and I know that the stories I mean I personally know people who have been in this place where you know they they're having trouble paying their taxes and they
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh like you would with a bank you know go into the IRS and say you know you can you can do all this stuff to me and get nothing or give me you know let me pay this out and you'll get it all
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and they'll say no you know and I think now wait a minute that was my money you said no with well well well you're not going to get it all uh
[speaker001:] yeah that's right yeah and and one of the things that makes it so hard on these people they slap so much penalty and interest on it
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] that they can triple it in nothing flat
[speaker002:] yeah I mean it's the one place that there's no recourse at all
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and a lot of people aren't trying to get out of it but trying to figure a way to live and pay it back
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and they just they don't accept that at all so
[speaker001:] um-hum