[speaker002:] well I guess we're uh
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] forced to finally to do a lot about air pollution I hear that the major automobile manufacturers are looking at nonpolluting cars and low polluting fuels fuels are being experimented with ethanol and other types of fuels
[speaker001:] yeah one of the things they asked me to ask you was where you thought the major source was coming from
[speaker002:] I you know I assume that the major sources are cars and factories but I
[speaker001:] or sources that's what I would think
[speaker002:] I don't know for sure I just know that um acid rain apparently is a big problem in Canada from what comes over the border from us
[speaker001:] right yeah I think the automobile definitely is an area uh any any industry that burns you know and then I don't know about chemical pollution I'm not real into that as far as how it affects the air I know we have a lot of chemical the indoor type pollution they have offices that are too well insulated they found people are getting sick
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but I don't know if that affects outside you know I I think seems to think seems to me that's what they were asking about was outside and the thing I can the only thing I can think of would be cars and factories
[speaker002:] yeah the smokestacks or the exhaust pipes um I guess there's been a lot of pressure to um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] do away with the CFCs in these spray bottles which has been a real problem
[speaker001:] right yeah that is well that's destroying the ozone isn't it yeah
[speaker002:] again I that's what I hear and and there's this big debate apparently about whether the ozone there's a hole in the ozone or not but at last I heard it was uh discovered that the hole was bigger than they thought initially
[speaker001:] yeah that's it it's kind of scary
[speaker002:] well it is scary and I think it will uh continue to force us to clean up our act literally and figuratively
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] we've got to learn to manage without destroying the environment
[speaker001:] yeah I think something too that you probably see in older states all we we do it down here once in a while we will have a cold spell is where people will use their fireplaces
[speaker002:] I I I'm wondering whether it's going to get to the point where you can't do that in Los Angeles they're apparently going to they've passed laws that for habit for example people using
[speaker001:] I think it will
[speaker002:] barbecues gasoline lawn mowers
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] um and it's really bad in places like Los Angeles and it's gotten bad in Denver and and uh it's not too bad around here although you see it you know more and more in the sky
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and people in this country are really wedded to their uh cars and our economy seems to and this I think is one of the big problems
[speaker001:] right yeah in this area too since you know in Texas we're so spread out we have to drive so far but I know in Colorado I have witnessed that where it just uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it just stacks up at the when the Rockies starts but we're even getting it here we can drive into when we've been on vacation or something drive into Fort Worth or Dallas and you can tell it in the mornings too my husband likes to go out and jog and there's just a brown fog here and we don't even have any mountains that are holding it in
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but they also said that more dense the population and the more we crowd together the worse it gets
[speaker002:] well that makes a lot of sense I mean I I hadn't thought about it that way but it it
[speaker001:] you don't have to have mountains there stopping it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh they make uh making more and more high-rise buildings and uh so yeah we can comment and we didn't see this a few years ago it was pretty clear here
[speaker002:] no and I think yeah and I think that that more and more it's becoming apparent to people that the earth which includes all the people on it and everything that's going on it is a is an organism of sorts and that there is a a whole
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] set of organic relationships that if we start to destroy one part of it it's going to tell us about it and uh we're going to feel it and I think it's going to be real interesting and particularly in light of what is obviously going to be a big structural change in the economy
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh in this country uh whether people are willing to get out of their cars and in in this country uh the the solution that that people seem to think work are politically unacceptable for example taxing people heavily for using their cars
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] and uh I'm I have a little sports car that I enjoy using and I know just like anybody else how much fun it is to drive but I think uh we're gonna have to make some fundamental changes and and I'm I'm not sure how long it's gonna take or what it's gonna take because they keep saying that the economy is gonna depend on how many cars and houses we sell
[speaker001:] yes and it's a shame too when you do see somebody driving a big car just one person in that it's a lot of waste but