[speaker002:] yeah I uh I that's kind of a controversial issue here in the nation's capitol I think we're becoming known as the murder capitol
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and so there's a lot of of emphasize on gun control uh I'm not exactly sure where I stand because uh I feel that it may be necessary with the crime coming out this way that we'd be allowed to have the facilities necessary facilities to protect ourselves
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh I do know that the District of Columbia has a gun control law and it seems that the number of shootings has gone up since they invoked the law
[speaker001:] it oh I see yeah well I
[speaker002:] but the the criminals all have guns now
[speaker001:] right well they they can get them one way or the other I I think it's uh I probably rate it maybe on the scale of one to ten maybe uh seven or eight uh I think well the automatic weapons and these assault weapons and all of these things that uh I think that is something that uh really be limited but like you say if they take uh if they have gun control control then they take away uh the citizens right to protect themselves and we live out in the west where uh of course I have a number of guns and each one of my sons have guns and we go hunting quite a bit for deer and and uh uh pheasants and things like that and uh they impose a gun control law that would really be disastrous I think because because I think the criminals will get guns no matter what
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] where if we were restricted from having them uh or registering them all so that everybody knows who's got them I I don't feel I think that would really take away from our our uh rights and freedoms as as citizens to to bear arms and protect ourselves if necessary
[speaker002:] yeah well we have uh well in Fairfax county it's against the law to discharge a firearm
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] in fact I think it's against the law to discharge a bow and arrow
[speaker001:] oh my God
[speaker002:] uh but the uh they don't have any real strong gun control law
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh whereas just over the border in the District they they have a real strong gun control law Fairfax County is fairly peaceful and uh the District of Columbia is averaging about two murders a day
[speaker001:] oh boy yeah that I I've read about that that is really tragic I don't know how you could stop that I it that would be terrible I mean you you don't even know whether you want to go to Washington DC
[speaker002:] yeah well we I fortunately fortunately work out in the suburbs
[speaker001:] with uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh I just don't go downtown at night
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] and uh a little bit reluctant to go in the day time
[speaker001:] no uh-huh
[speaker002:] and there've been a few occasions uh I can remember a few years back I was downtown and uh toward quitting time I decided since I was there I'd go visit one of my favorite stores
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and it was about six thirty when I left the uh store and I was walking back to my car and boy I tell you I got spooked
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh there were you know people in the alleys making noises at you and
[speaker001:] oh wow
[speaker002:] people lying around in the park and it was dark and and I I just got scared I wound up running back to the car
[speaker001:] yes you would well I know out here uh apparently they've kind of uh uh well they excuse me in the Utah area they have uh the women I guess the women and doctors they had a uh hostage situation at uh one of Alta View Hospital in Salt Lake City where uh a fellow came in with a gun and he uh killed one of the nurses and and held the hostages uh all night till they finally finally got him but uh so what they're saying now in the papers that there has been uh uh big increase in nurses and doctors that are buying guns hand guns to protect themselves
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] because of this situation that happened and it doesn't happened hasn't happened very often but uh again that's it you hate to to do that but uh we're starting to get some gangs uh they're coming out here and there's been a few shootings drive by shootings and these
[speaker002:] yeah we've we've had a lot of uh drive-by shootings we have a few people arrested for it going out and shooting just because they felt like killing somebody
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] just shooting at random I'm kind of sorry to hear that that it's happening in nice rural Utah because uh
[speaker001:] well it's it's not bad yet but uh there's there it is happened we we we had one of our uh football coaches at one of our high schools in Salt Lake City that uh I guess they were out on the practice field uh last fall and a couple gangs were involved and they shot him in the leg
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] and uh it's it the police of course are are quite