[speaker001:] um what do you think the major cause of air pollution or at least in the Boston areas
[speaker002:] well the the the major major major cause it seems up here is simply I live right on the ocean so it's kind of hard for me to tell what would happen if I lived in some of the valleys inland but the major cause here and we always seem to and it seems to be validated by the press is the car pollution we don't have too much industrial pollution
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah yeah
[speaker002:] uh car pollution seems to be the one and only thing that that I can really put my finger on here
[speaker001:] um that isn't the same in the Washington area because we don't have any major um industry except for uh government and services and the the transportation situation is such that uh all the car pollution is is absolutely awful um also the worth of the hub of three airports in this general area there is uh National Dulles and then uh Baltimore Washington and it interestingly some of the information I've been reading indicates that the amount of air pollution from uh uh airplanes is extraordinary
[speaker002:] is that so I didn't know that
[speaker001:] yeah and that's always something that you know you just don't real you don't think about
[speaker002:] well most people talk about the noise pollution from airplanes rather than the air pollution
[speaker001:] uh but the uh apparently the air pollution and the fact that it's delivered right up in high altitudes is a very significant factor
[speaker002:] yeah I would think so you know uh I I guess it talked about all types of pollution I happen to read just read something the other day at least in the Boston paper there were three things that that come to note one is that the carbon fluorides that are uh being released into the atmosphere are causing even a larger hole in the southern hemisphere in the ozone layer and again and now they've located another one or rather an expanding one in the northern hemisphere so car
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] so I'm quite concerned I don't think it's involved any longer with with uh hair sprays or those those no I think it's now is what uh from what I understand it's air conditioning units and and we certainly turned into an air conditioned society
[speaker001:] yeah yeah um-hum society has especially recently
[speaker002:] yeah I know in Florida there's no place you go that isn't air conditioned and I do quite a bit of business in Washington and
[speaker001:] I mean you know what it's like here
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's quite is is the it's really out of the norm not to find something that isn't air conditioned
[speaker001:] yeah yeah yeah we just had the
[speaker002:] and and I guess refrigerators are the same way they release that
[speaker001:] that's right so solutions to this would be I I you know improved
[speaker002:] yeah well
[speaker001:] well I guess the first the to me the first thing is I wish society would get as upset about this as you do get getting people upset about animal rights
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I mean this is so so basic it's human rights in the sense but uh in terms of demanding it's just not caused but demanding that um uh we can spend so much money on certain things but that research really be directed toward um improvement of polluting vehicles and not just cars but also buses um planes that something can be done I mean I can't imagine that well if we can't send people to the moon that we can't improve these things
[speaker002:] well I I think yeah no I think that it can be done simply because uh uh we've we've every car now in America that's been produced for the past fifteen years has what they call a catalytic converter
[speaker001:] converter yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] and no lead gas was came to the pumps and and that's been done there's the lead pollution has that problem essentially I guess because it was at crisis proportions was was licked
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I think that there are there there are solutions certainly we don't even need a need a research anymore it's just a matter of passing the law and passing the law depends on how heavy the car industry the automobile lobby is
[speaker001:] and that uh for buses that's right well and also to make it economically feasible
[speaker002:] that's right that's right
[speaker001:] uh and particular also in buses I don't know if you ever got caught in a traffic jam behind a bus
[speaker002:] oh yeah well that that the the smell is awful and but you know I was reading the other day not to go on with this but that diesel fumes actually have less pollutants in them than gasoline fumes
[speaker001:] that you know um-hum yeah um-hum uh-hum
[speaker002:] so I guess you're better off sitting behind a bus than a car although I can never I could never uh really a a rationalize that while I was sitting there
[speaker001:] yeah but even of course in the longer term just to get away from fossil fuels
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I mean I'm I'm thinking of research in that direction rather than we we've taken the intermediate step but I don't think fossil fuels are the answer
[speaker002:] well we you know up here in New England uh where I've right close to where I live is the Seabrook Nucleus site which is practically a you know guerrilla war up here went on for years
[speaker001:] um-hum yes I mean
[speaker002:] uh my my daughters marched in the uh uh against the Seabrook and I kind of uh my feelings were that we needed this bridge to to uh to
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] jump from whatever it was going to be from fossil fuel to whatever it was going to be
[speaker001:] yeah you don't throw the baby out with the bath water and condemning nuclear use
[speaker002:] yeah unfortunately unfortunately unfortunately though I think the oil companies have lied to us for years
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] so we really don't know whether there's enough fossil fuel left or there isn't and uh and uh I
[speaker001:] but with the pollution issue uh fossil fuel is not the way to go anyway
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] uh so you've to look you've got to look elsewhere so uh but it is something that's a little frightening and in fact well I within our family we have said said my husband I have two sons uh well one one is already in college in New England
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and the other will be going in September and we just feel that when we leave uh this area we're we're going north not south
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] uh I like the mentality north and I also like the fresher air up there
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] so I mean that's the way we will be going
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but um so I I I'd be interested in having spoken with somebody also from the far west on this issue to see how they their attitudes are
[speaker002:] well since since Texas and Louisiana and uh California that in that ranking order the worst pollutants in America
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I mean I read that the other day I mean Louisiana Louisiana for a small state was it was amazing but it's the industrial pollution I should imagine and California seems to be taking steps I mean
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you you read about the the fairly fairly stiff laws they put in on cars now they're they're enforcing but uh again uh that didn't occur without a crisis nothing will occur I guess without a crisis
[speaker001:] the smog and yeah um-hum yeah I mean even California was notorious for its smog years ago before it even was an issu e out here
[speaker002:] yeah exactly exactly well the greatest thing that happened to pollution in the last couple of years as far as I'm concerned is the no smoking rules on airplanes and in restaurants and it it really is a pleasure for me although I guess smokers don't think that
[speaker001:] well that that's that's personal that's personal air pollution
[speaker002:] but that to me was pollution that was its most personal personal uh pollution that I can think of
[speaker001:] yes yes yeah well I I definetely definitely advance that well listen I enjoyed speaking with you and let's hope some there are other people that feel the same way
[speaker002:] surely something happen right on thank y ou bye-bye
[speaker001:] you're welcome bye-bye