[speaker002:] did women uh have the more variety in this area right
[speaker001:] oh I suppose I uh substitute teach in our public schools and what I find out nowadays is people are wearing jeans and and very casual things Polo shirts uh I'm of the opinion that I'm not one of the kids and I want them to know that so I'll dress a little more formally I mean not a business suit but you know a nice skirt and blouse or
[speaker002:] are you saying that the children that the students uh teachers are wearing jeans
[speaker001:] well I I should clarify I work in the I'm an artist and I work in the art department so perhaps they are a little more Bohemian but yes yes teachers are wearing jeans and they're wearing sneakers and kind of upsets me because uh it seems that they're getting treated as if they're sloppy and I I like the kids
[speaker002:] treated as if they're sloppy or treated as if they're uh peers
[speaker001:] as if if if the whole situation is too casual I don't get think they get the same respect as if they distance themselves in their behavior from the kids and I think the way they dress says a lot about their attitude
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I think they're too casual with the kids and the kids kids curse in front of them and
[speaker002:] ooh
[speaker001:] and and take too many liberties and I think
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh you know as much as I'm there to be their uh to be there for them but I'm not their friend I'm there to teach them something and it's it's business and it's serious and
[speaker002:] right of course motivation is everything and I suppose you're striving for intimacy on a intellectual level it's really hard to figure out how you're going to do that but of course we're trying to talk about dress and not teaching
[speaker001:] well I I think I'm talking about dressing how it conveys a uh a sense of um casual behavior and you know and and where it goes from there it's just a tangent of the same subject
[speaker002:] um-hum well I am in a much more conventional position I work as a uh white collar worker uh I'm a senior principal scientist at SRI International uh work with
[speaker001:] uh-huh  what is is uh your particular field
[speaker002:] speech technology teaching computers teaching computers how to understand the speech
[speaker001:] huh oh so you must be very interested in uh Texas Instruments but anyway get off the subject
[speaker002:] in Texas Instruments oh yeah I actually used I used to be chief speech scientist at Texas Instruments
[speaker001:] oh I see so I I guess you're in a business suit all the time
[speaker002:] no actually I try to stay behind the scenes which means I wear slacks and uh
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] my own personal style and it's it's variable and there there are a lot of people that'll wear jeans but I say probably most people uh wear dresses or slacks and um wear the men wear uh um probably most of them wear long sleeve shirts without ties uh it's interesting it's sort of silly and ironic not ironic but it's silly in in a sense that
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] on visitor days which is are quite frequently people quite frequently dress up and they wear ties and coats and uh on non visitor days people dress down and they wear just slacks and dress shirts
[speaker001:] uh-huh it it well I guess it's silly in that the point is to be there and do quality work and not wonder about what you're wearing too much
[speaker002:] right and and it it's uh it's not one of my dressing is not one of my main obsessions or preoccupations
[speaker001:] what uh no I can see how you'd say that I'm not heavily into uh what's in this year or what's out this year I usually I have a certain amount of money that I spend on clothing and I buy things that will last year after year and um
[speaker002:] well I I buy a new shirt once a year whether I need it or not
[speaker001:] oh do you so I guess you've got a collection don't you
[speaker002:] well I don't pay much attention to it
[speaker001:] uh-huh well I don't know um
[speaker002:] now this this question did it relate to work or did it relate to to uh whatever
[speaker001:] I think it was just um clothing and how you feel about it and do you change your wardrobe from season to season um I guess the warmer it gets the less clothing I wear but I don't know that I I change my sense of color or style to to match a season but I do know people who have told me that the different carpets come out and different colors come out because uh the seasons change your mood and and your ideas of color and fashion change with uh
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] uh you know with your mood and I guess it's all kinds of poetic uh
[speaker002:] I guess I'm a typical oblivious male in that respect
[speaker001:] I've met males that aren't terribly oblivious to clothing it's uh
[speaker002:] I said typical
[speaker001:] oh okay well some guys seem to think it's a shortcoming being too involved in their clothing like they have deeper more meaningful things