[speaker001:] what do you think about drug testing
[speaker002:] I think it's pretty good I think they should do it especially in uh in companies where uh you deal with uh either with other people or with uh stuff that uh I want to say uh deals directly with people's lives like hospitals and stuff
[speaker001:] yeah yeah but
[speaker002:] um everywhere uh you know when uh when I was in college when uh everywhere I I applied a job for uh pretty much did a drug test because most of them were like defense contractors and stuff
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] except uh the the last job the job I actually took they didn't care
[speaker001:] oh is that right was it a large or a small company
[speaker002:] so it's a big company it's uh MCI telecommunications and I think uh they may require it for like the field engineers the people that actually go out you know and drive their trucks around and stuff like that uh or run the heavy machinery but they don't require it for you know the engineering positions
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh is that right
[speaker002:] yeah I was kind of surprised but defense contractors only want you doing it because uh they don't want you to sell drugs or buy drugs for you know for secrets or something you know
[speaker001:] well sure I there's that part of it I think and and I think most defense contractors also have other divisions of the company
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] that can also be affected by that and I think what they have to do in the interest of fairness or to keep from getting sued or something is test everybody in the company at least on a random basis in other words no matter whether you work in uh defense or
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum hum right
[speaker001:] consumer products or whatever you'd you'd have an equal chance of being tested
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I don't I don't know I just think it's a sick thing that we've come to that I don't like the way the world's going
[speaker002:] yeah I mean yeah I mean I have I have no problem I mean people complain so much you know about random drug testing and infringing their rights and all this stuff and you know I I don't know I guess it's bad you know to to go inside somebody you know hand them a urine sample bottle you know but uh
[speaker001:] well does it I've heard a lot of discussions about this and I guess the scariest part of it is the chance of a false positive
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and and that's what what really upsets a lot of people who are you know very straight and probably wouldn't ever think of using drugs but the idea that they could lose their jobs
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] or in our case be forced to go to all this counseling and that sort of stuff you know just in the case of a false positive
[speaker002:] uh-huh well I mean now even if you had a false positive I mean they're they're better you can have retests or what do they do test on your hair
[speaker001:] uh no urine
[speaker002:] they can uh well can't they also test your hair
[speaker001:] yes they can and I think that's probably be more acceptable I believe it's more accurate
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] but that's not what they're doing at my company
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] no it's urine samples I haven't been tapped yet to do this
[speaker002:] okay well you know
[speaker001:] but they certainly started out I believe with the managers and folks like that
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh well they uh I mean all the places I went to you know they gave us you know small tests and stuff like that I guess if uh you could always get a second opinion I mean if your company tests positive I mean I I I would just think there was a way there'd be a way around it if I mean even if you did test positive you could probably get tested again and uh test negative
[speaker001:] yeah well
[speaker002:] and any way have time for that
[speaker001:] wouldn't it yeah I I suppose I suppose it's it's just you know the whole idea of all the hassles you'd have to go through and certainly the records that would be left behind
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum
[speaker001:] you know everybody has databases these days and they know a lot more about me than I'll ever remember I'm sure
[speaker002:] yeah and a matter of fact I think there are too many of these dull databases going around
[speaker001:] yeah well I'm I'm certainly certainly sure that uh any drug test results would become a part of that
[speaker002:] yeah that's true I guess they put it in your personnel file
[speaker001:] probably so
[speaker002:] yeah because I I'm I'm you know I'm surprised they don't do it you know in uh in my organization
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh
[speaker001:] well I certainly believe in it for uh people like airline pilots
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] or uh what seems to be more of a problem train drivers
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah train and also uh uh uh boat captains I mean not necessarily big boat captains but small the uh small personal boats
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] they had trouble with uh not just substance abuse but uh alcohol abuse and stuff
[speaker001:] oh sure
[speaker002:] and they had these boat crashes and you know all these people were getting arrested and and they finally said no more alcohol out there you know in uh like where I used to live in Virginia
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] they had a lot of problems with uh with boat wrecks and involving you know alcohol related incidents and uh drug related incidents
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so they finally just said uh if we catch you we're going to take away your license and take away your boat if we have to
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] so straightened a few people out
[speaker001:] well I guess it would I guess so well I don't know I I I really haven't sorted out all my feelings on the drug testing uh I'm totally straight would never consider using drugs
[speaker002:] um  um-hum well you know I'm the same way
[speaker001:] but uh it it sort of goes back to it's a presumption of guilt and you have to prove that you're innocent
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] on the other hand uh