[speaker001:] let's see I know I can guess I know what the rules are in Washington DC
[speaker002:] no handguns are permitted in DC at all
[speaker001:] but on the other hand in in uh Virginia it's supposed to be close to wide open right
[speaker002:] um-hum uh sort of yeah I live in Virginia I don't I work in DC
[speaker001:] so I'm uh and I'm well I'll give you a clue I've if if guns caused crime there would be a lot of crime in Virginia and not much in DC
[speaker002:] but uh so how does that rate you in the uh the scale that they've given us
[speaker001:] on a scale I guess I'm about a nine and a half so I've let's see so ten means what ten means no controls and one means uh
[speaker002:] one means total restriction
[speaker001:] one means total restrictions I guess I'm I'm about uh yeah I've I'm between nine and a half and ten I'm I'm not saying no control but uh
[speaker002:] nine and a half
[speaker001:] but uh
[speaker002:] are you an NRA member
[speaker001:] yes I have been since uh you know it's it's one of those things where they say uh that you're biased you're uh you're you're uh
[speaker002:] right this is a rather a interesting
[speaker001:] you're a member and so then the question comes up uh well if you really believed in it why wouldn't you be a member
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] but anyway I uh
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] let's see okay now so you tell me where you are in the scale then
[speaker002:] I fall I fall I fall smack dab in the middle yeah um
[speaker001:] you're about a five you think sometimes it's right and sometimes it's wrong huh
[speaker002:] exactly I mean I'm originally from New York
[speaker001:] it
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] well it's I know it can be uh it can be kind of scary the idea of just everybody wandering around with uh uh you know absolute no limits or anything like that on the other hand the truth is that all the bad guys let me put this way all the guys that I'm scared of already have it
[speaker002:] right already have them or can get them if they want them
[speaker001:] and uh and uh uh when John Lennon got uh nailed
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] shot I should say uh one of the some some of my friends were saying you know that's another argument for gun control I said oh yeah he should have lived in in uh he should of have lived in in uh Ireland where they have a total ban you know in northern Ireland yeah that
[speaker002:] well I mean the same thing went everyone everyone uses England as an example saying oh well you know there there's no one has guns in England and look at the crime rate there it's so much lower
[speaker001:] but
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] the reason when I say I was really talking about northern Ireland you know because in northern Ireland there is a lot of crime and it's totally banned
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and uh the uh the uh how do I say this the uh the thing that I have noticed with uh this topic is that that I know some very intelligent people and I I say well here's a little brochure why don't you read this and see what it says I don't want to read that okay and uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] where as I'm the other way I'll read I can read about when I say I'm the other way that's not to say I'm open minded uh as much as I think I am but I'll read anything  and uh try and and pick it apart so uh let's see what was the other thing I was going to say uh now my earlier statement about if if they caused crime then Virginia should have a lot of them should have a lot of crime uh I don't know that that kind of reflects my my feeling about it because you notice the states where they claim all of these things are coming from they don't have a very high crime rate
[speaker002:] right well I mean look at DC I mean you're talking you're talking about a district where handguns are illegal to be have to have at all and it's also the murder capital of the country
[speaker001:] and yeah yeah well the the the thing that I see is it's not the availability because availability is you know cocaine is is is outlawed too but
[speaker002:] right exactly
[speaker001:] but but it's the uh it's the nature and and my feeling if you go back to England uh England is one of those places where they have relatively low rates but also the rates of other crimes are lower
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and the other thing that happens is they also have the ability to stop you and say uh mister you look like a pickpocket would you please empty your pockets
[speaker002:] crime um-hum
[speaker001:] and if you try that here in the States I mean you could unload four four pounds of dynamite and uh you'd walk because they they're not allowed to ask you
[speaker002:] they're not allowed to do that right
[speaker001:] so it's it's kind of like uh dandelions I don't know if you have any if do you own a house
[speaker002:] uh no
[speaker001:] well anyway if you had a lawn
[speaker002:] what okay
[speaker001:] uh uh if you if you've ever had a lawn
[speaker002:] I get the point yes I've had a lawn before
[speaker001:] if you've ever had a lawn uh and somebody says uh wait till the place is full of dandelions and then go try and and pull the heads off as fast as you can you'd be pulling heads off all day you know of of dandelions
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and whereas in England where they come up they come up to a kid and they say uh you look like you've got a problem and he says I don't no I don't and then they say well uh let's go they can even go to your apartment and uh force you to open your apartment and anything they find in there is used as evidence so the result is that uh
[speaker002:] right