[speaker001:] Well I grew up out in the country and, uh, was used to having, uh, guns around the place and, uh,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I'm, uh, not for gun control,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] in the strictest sense of the, uh, word.
[speaker002:] I, I think I'm kind of bent towards middle liberal of the bridge myself.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] You know, I have quite a collection myself and, you know, I'm a good hunter and I started hunting when I was twelve years old. [talking] Of course, my parents made me take hunters safety classes and,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] you know, I don't want to see them ban guns completely but I don't want them to completely turn loose of their controls either so,
[speaker001:] Yeah. Well I, I feel that its, uh, I think the what was National Rifle Association, uh, had this bumper sticker a few years back if, uh, about if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns then.
[speaker002:] I believe that.
[speaker001:] And I believe that too because the person that is wanting to,
[speaker002:] [Talking].
[speaker001:] commit a crime is going to find a way to get a gum, a gu-, a gun, a knife, a, a rock,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] a stick, whatever it is, to commit a crime with,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and it's the honest citizens like ourselves that are responsible about use of guns, uh, we can handle it but there's an element that can't.
[speaker002:] Yeah and it's, you know, it's got to the point now where even our, our police departments and our D E A agents and everything have to carry automatic weapons because everybody that's in drug trafet-, trafficking has got them.
[speaker001:] They have got them outgunned.
[speaker002:] You know. Yeah. So.
[speaker001:] There was a an article in the paper just this week where I think it's, uh, one of the gun companies, I can't remember which, was developing a ten metal, ten millimeter automatic pistol for the F B I
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] which would give them additional firepower. It had, held like a fifteen shot clip,
[speaker002:] Yeah [sniffing].
[speaker001:] which, uh, would be able, th-, they would be able to put down anything that came at them,
[speaker002:] Yeah, that would be,
[speaker001:] but you figure you got some drug guy out there that's got an Uzi machine gun, uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's,
[speaker001:] a thirty-eight, uh, Smith and Wesson revolver isn't going to do you much good.
[speaker002:] No it's sure not. Huh-uh.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I have lived in, uh, Illinois at one time and they, they passed a, uh, it wasn't really gun control but it was, you had to register as a gun owner, you didn't have to list your guns,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but you had to have this card, it was like a driver's license card that you had to have it in order to buy ammunition
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] and that was the first, uh, this was twenty years ago.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But they had that so that they were trying to control it a little bit in that respect.
[speaker002:] See in California they,
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[speaker002:] In California they make you register when you buy ammunition.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You have to sign a, you know, they take your name and driver's license number, hunter, hunting license number and all that good stuff,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] before you can buy any big ammunition.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [Talking] Especially for handguns,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] now rifles aren't too bad, but, you know, any kind of handgun at all,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] if it will fit in a handgun and a rifle you would still have to buy it,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] or sign up for it, so.
[speaker001:] We lived in Tennessee for awhile and I bought a pistol there and there was a fifteen day waiting period. You had to fill out an application and,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] go down to the sheriff's office and get fingerprinted {C and,
[speaker002:] Gee.
[speaker001:] then } you had fifteen days while they checked to see if you had any kind of criminal record before that you could pick up the gun you were purchasing.
[speaker002:] Gee, that's not a bad idea.
[speaker001:] No, I think that, uh, you know, a, a waiting period, uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] can make a difference but again it's going to be the law abiding citizen that's going to comply with that.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah it is.
[speaker001:] So there's, I don't,
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] think there's any way to control the criminal element as far as guns is concerned because,
[speaker002:] Th-, the only way they could do it I think, would be to stiffen the penalties on anybody using a gun.
[speaker001:] Right, right.
[speaker002:] You know, I think if we kind of stiffen them up a little bit, course, i-, I, I feel kind of weird about that anyway, I think if somebody shoots somebody, they ought to be shot.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I'm,
[speaker002:] So.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] We, we're getting into capital punishment now [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, [LAUGHTER] but, you know.
[speaker001:] But I, I agree with you there that, uh,
[speaker002:] It would definitely be gun control [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah. The, uh, the, again the purpose of gun control is to control how it is being used
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] is what the purpose should be.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] It's not to keep people from buying a gun that need one for a specific purpose, legal purpose
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but to keep the guy that's illegal from getting his hands on one.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And I'm in favor of keeping the, the illegal guy from getting one in his hands but,
[speaker002:] Myself.
[speaker001:] the legal person or lawful person should not be penalized because there is the criminal element.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well and the-, they're actually a necessity in life, you know.
[speaker001:] Oh yes.
[speaker002:] They're not, you know, not everybody needs a gun but sooner or later I need one. You know, whether I'm out hunting or you know, I'm never had to protect my life or,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] well I did in the service but not, you know, not on the street so I don't really need one in the, in the aspects,
[speaker001:] [Talking] You don't have to carry one in your car or your, uh,
[speaker002:] No, huh-uh.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] or your pocket all the time. Yeah.
[speaker002:] No. So mine are, you know, I use mine for recreation,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I don't, and I enjoyed my guns.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I have a good time with them so,
[speaker001:] Well I know what, uh, I took my kids out and taught them out, how to shoot a gun. My wife the same thing, uh, she knows how to shoot any weapon that we have no-, not that I have an arsenal or anything,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but we have several guns around the house [breathing] one of these days my grandkids probably.
[speaker002:] Probably. Yeah.
[speaker001:] But I think it's, uh, you got to have, have the pl-, living in Dallas there's not that many places to go shoot but,
[speaker002:] No, huh-uh.
[speaker001:] uh, still I think they ought to know how to use one and that it's not just a toy and that when, it's not like on T V when someone gets shot, uh, they get back up. If someone gets shot with a,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] real gun they don't get back up.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I had to explain that to my, I've got a six year old now and he, you know, I have a fifteen year old and a seventeen year old, well they understand now.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] You know I've taken time to teach them and now the young boy wants to know and, you know, like I told him, you're a little bit young for a gun. Let me go out here and, you know, we would start with the B B gun deal, you know,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] so he started with the B B gun and shot a couple of holes in a couple of windows and I took it away from him, I said now,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] you know, so he's learning the hard way but at least it was a B B gun not a twenty-two or a four ten or something so,
[speaker001:] I remember I had an old uncle up by Tulsa, Oklahoma that took me out and, uh, showed me. This was, it was not my, it was my mother's uncle, this was a gentleman in his sixties,
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] and he took me out with him and, uh, single shot twenty-two,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and taught me how to shoot. We went squirrel hunting and,
[speaker002:] All right.
[speaker001:] and, uh, he taught me how to shoot, uh, a old single shot twenty-two and, I was probably about twelve at the time,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and I thought that was the neatest thing and,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] of course Uncle Sam took me out, took me hunting with him and he let me shoot and showed me how.
[speaker002:] All right. I think there is a lot of responsibility on any of us gun owners to make sure that whoever is around us is at least safe and knows how to use one.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] You know, I don't want to get out there deer hunting and have some guy blow me away, so.
[speaker001:] Oh, [LAUGHTER] yeah. [sniffing] Well that's about all I, we agreed pretty well on this I think.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think so.
[speaker001:] Okay. Well it's been real nice talking with you.
[speaker002:] All right, have a good one.
[speaker001:] Okay, bye.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye [talking].