[speaker001:] um taxes you want to go ahead
[speaker002:] sure we pay far too much in taxes well far too much for what we get I mean it's just
[speaker001:] um-hum I agree
[speaker002:] I don't know it just too too much of the money is just lost
[speaker001:] um-hum well I think uh you know when I look at um all the things that are coming out now about over spending and spending money that's not there and buying things that are extremely expensive where they could buy it at it at a better discount um when you when
[speaker002:] hm you mean like those you know twenty thousand dollar toilets
[speaker001:] exactly exactly that's exactly um the whole thing when you take a look at all those issues of where our money is going and it's just as long as the the person that's spending the money uh doesn't think about oh I can go out and spend anything that I want to it's just unlimited
[speaker002:] sure it's real easy to spend other people's money right
[speaker001:] right an unlimited source so they they think well I'll go out and buy a four hundred dollar toilet seat and I could have went to Kmart and bought it for you know ten or fifteen I mean that kind of thing and uh
[speaker002:] right I don't mind them getting what they need it's just when they pay so much for it
[speaker001:] exactly
[speaker002:] it takes very you know very little to just shop around and
[speaker001:] exactly and I know a lot of uh corporations now are looking at their amount of money that's being spent and
[speaker002:] that's true
[speaker001:] they're looking at what's the best buy it used to be you could go if you had a company you had to go through certain people and you didn't care what you paid
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] I mean you just got it done now people are putting in bids for things and are looking at things going to actually shop at Best Buy for Best Buy is one of our electronics stores for fax machines things like that instead of going through these office supply companies
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] that mark up their amounts and say you know I'll give you a legal pad for five bucks and you can go to another shop and get if for maybe sixty cents or ninety or ninety cents that kind of thing so
[speaker002:] yeah and I'm also wondering why our taxes are still so high considering like the world's probably in better shape now than it has been in the last fifty years
[speaker001:] except for everything keeps going up you know and I know as a middle class um you know and also I have one dependent has my daughter and I keep looking at well where's the tax so-called tax um
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] uh relief for having children I mean there is none I mean I think I paid just as much as when I didn't have her
[speaker002:] yeah I know oh I know I mean I don't even you know I don't even get get to see half my paycheck between 401K and and the thirty four percent they're taking out for taxes let alone when I end up having to pay
[speaker001:] so um-hum sure exactly uh-huh exactly yeah that's the whole thing now they've gotten this wonderful idea of not taking out as much taxes but you're still gonna owe the government as much money so by the end of this coming year what's gonna happen is all these people are going to find out that they owe the government and it certainly isn't going to be in their savings uh account
[speaker002:] sure  nope they won't be able to pay
[speaker001:] they won't be able to pay it and there'll be a lot of problems because of that you know put people into you know January or February which is always supposed to be this month after Christmas is supposed to be high spending because everything is on sale nobody's gonna have the money to spend
[speaker002:] sure none
[speaker001:] they're gonna be paying on their taxes so they're gonna have to just cut back so I don't know where the answer is and
[speaker002:] I don't and plus you know there's also like taxation without representation well I don't feel represented anymore in our government I mean it's it's certainly not a government for me they don't take care of my needs
[speaker001:] yeah yeah no no well that's the whole thing I think people are getting so fed up with it now we go through another election and listen to all these lies about the
[speaker002:] and and people don't care anymore either people people don't wanna go out to vote
[speaker001:] no no well I don't think people think they can make a difference and when you've got candidates as you do it's candidates that have money and it's backed by big business
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] and big business says well we don't care about the little person and uh you know you're not going to get anymore Abe Lincolns around
[speaker002:] no but but that's that's going to backfire because
[speaker001:] um-hum well who knows uh
[speaker002:] little people who buy everything so
[speaker001:] yeah generations from now we might uh set back in our little uh rocking chairs and watch our grandchildren go through an entirely different system of things and say you know this government itself isn't working just like the communist government of uh the old uh USSR and maybe that's gonna happen to America where they'll say hey we're fed up
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I wonder though
[speaker001:] maybe it'll have to be just individual state tax and each state take care of itself and no government type of uh you know where you have to pay out to federal or whatever I don't know who knows but
[speaker002:] yeah I'm not I don't know I can't think of any easy answers to it but somethings has to happen I mean
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I'm certainly fed up with it
[speaker001:] yeah everybody is in fact I'm not sending in my tax money