[speaker001:] okay I think we're supposed to discuss the changes in the roles of women in the last generation or two and
[speaker002:] uh-huh right
[speaker001:] and my opinion is that uh the biggest changes uh probably are about two and one of course is obvious and that's the working woman
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and uh the second one which I don't know if you'd go along with or not is that maybe a lot of women are not as uh likely to want to be dominated as past times
[speaker002:] well that's I would say that's probably true uh I know in in my wife's case she is a very independent sort uh you know she she has a lot of say about uh you know just about everything that uh happens in our family life
[speaker001:] and you're proud of that
[speaker002:] and yes I am I I you know I I feel very confident that if you know something were to happen to me or to us either one that uh you know she would be capable of taking care of her own you know what ever her own needs are right and and I think that's very important
[speaker001:] of course well uh another uh thing that I want to talk about is which of the the changes that you can think of are the most significant
[speaker002:] well I I really think that that that independence of of women is uh probably more important an and I guess that uh really came about because of the change or a lot of it anyway because of the change in the work force uh with more women working and having uh more uh important or or uh what's the right term anyway their jobs is being you know more people depending on them and more management decisions made I think that uh lends to being you know more independent and stepping out and saying what you want to say and what needs to be said
[speaker001:] well and don't you think that you do see more women who are um becoming part of middle management
[speaker002:] yes I I I that's even even uh upper management is is uh I think is going to be a a coming thing for for women too uh and in the professions also not just uh not just within company management but you know professional people that uh are going out on their own attorneys and lawyers I'm an accountant a CPA
[speaker001:] attorneys
[speaker002:] and uh I know quite a few women CPA's you know that are out working on their own running their own accounting practice and doing quite well
[speaker001:] uh-huh let me ask you a question uh while we're talking about the CPA women uh in uh a firm say do you think uh a woman CPA gets paid equally to a man
[speaker002:] uh I would I'm not sure but I would think so within uh within a public accounting firm uh if they're on the same level of responsibility now I would say that there's you know some
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh or I would even say a probability that women still have it a little more difficult to achieve the same level that a man does uh there's you know there's still some stereotypes uh within even within the the accounting practice
[speaker001:] what and even within women that they perhaps some women do not expect uh
[speaker002:] yeah right  um but um within public within public accounting within the what is now the big six accounting firms in particular the uh the people that's starting off in accounting uh have an awful lot of uh hours to work and and there's a lot of stress put on them uh a lot of requirements for uh you know traveling and being available all uh hours and and that kind of thing
[speaker001:] going away on those audits
[speaker002:] right and and I think that uh that some women may you know they may tend still tend to to not want to do that to the point that they would restrict their own possibility for
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh for promotion to achieve that but you know the ones that the ones that really want to uh certainly can go ahead and achieve that
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah well what what future do you see for us in the next twenty years say
[speaker002:] um I I would say that uh there will be you know in the business world there will be more uh opportunities more expansion of the women's role in business and I see uh women's roles expanding in the political area uh quite a bit uh of course you know we in Texas we've got uh uh a uh woman governor now
[speaker001:] yes oh yes
[speaker002:] uh and we've had the all let's see what have we got uh four say five major cities in Texas that have all had women mayors I think uh recently uh three at least three of them have women mayors now
[speaker001:] Charlotte also has a woman mayor
[speaker002:] and uh you know I see I see uh you know the movement of women into into the political arena as being very important uh
[speaker001:] well I'll tell you what worries me a little bit about uh the role of women these days and I'm hoping that that's going to be a change and I don't know if you see it or not my husband doesn't always uh see it or understand it uh and that is the uh the trial of trying to be the superwoman the supermom the
[speaker002:] yeah the supermom yes
[speaker001:] yes and uh I have gone through that uh myself and it is hell it really is is tough and to be able to excuse myself
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] from doing that was a wonderful liberation and I guess I had I think the woman pretty much has to do it themselves but I believe that in the future that they're going to stop trying to be all things
[speaker002:] right right I I think they'll be uh you know in in the political area I suppose uh for for the most part politicians have gone through their a a good bit of their business life before they get into politics and and I think that that if that's the the situation for women they will have had their family life and their business life you know may be earlier and then move into politics
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I think that's uh you know that's the way that uh that you can have you know women can have all things you you just can't have them all at once and uh I think that's you know that's the case for men you know for the most part too
[speaker001:] yes and a very I will say this very quickly I had an attorney friend who said and he'd been practicing probably twenty five years and he said I wish there were more women in politics they are not quite as crooked
[speaker002:] uh-hum well I I think that's uh that's the truth and and I I think that there's I think and this is uh may be a bad thing for me to say but I think that women have a higher moral uh character for the most part than men do and it you know the along the sexual type you know the
[speaker001:] the acceptable
[speaker002:] the the the little things that men that get involved in
[speaker001:] morals that we uh-huh yes
[speaker002:] right that uh women just don't tend to do that of of course it takes you know it takes a man and a women both but I think that women have or or a little more uh discreet or at at least a little more careful about what they do and are and you know
[speaker001:] are reticent about it anyway
[speaker002:] woman a woman congressman's not going to have her picture taken on a boat somewhere out in the Caribbean with you know with some young guy you know for the most part yeah
[speaker001:] uh-huh um-hum however I being uh uh former employer myself I did change from being someone who I who felt that women could uh share out share it one job and things like that and I became more understanding of how men often are are for for many years have thought about uh women in the working world and my husband couldn't believe
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and he started teasing me and calling me a male chauvinist or a female chauvinist but but I do I think there certainly some pluses uh on both sides we just need to get them all put together
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] well it's been so nice talking to you and good luck to you good luck to you and have a nice day bye
[speaker002:] right and uh yeah it's been nice talking to you too okay thank you you too um-hum you too bye