[speaker002:] think of drug testing
[speaker001:] well I'm one of those grey haired old guys that doesn't think that there's anything wrong with it how about you
[speaker002:] I don't know I I see it as as a bit of a privacy issues why do you need to tell the company any information I can definitely see it in the case where there's a problem that you know the person's performance is bad or where they have uh you know they suspect something wrong with the person but in a case where there's no problem and nothing suspected what does the random testing do especially since they're only testing for certain things they're not testing for other things uh that could be impairing your ability to perform the job
[speaker001:] well that that's an interesting question from from the stand point of to me uh a general uh uh you know a a general question is all all substances the particular question in my mind is uh it's very easy to go from from uh how should I say it uh
[speaker002:] recreational use
[speaker001:] well let me put it this way from very minor use to uh to very significant use in a short time
[speaker002:] yes that's true of lots and lots of things
[speaker001:] and uh yes alcohol is uh one of the most and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] when I was growing up uh
[speaker002:] I I was
[speaker001:] lucky enough to belong to a family that was where we didn't have to say well dad why how should I say this alcohol and and uh tobacco and all those substances were off limits and at the time I I kind of thought well this is a strict house and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] then as I grew older uh in fact one of the guys told me said you were kind of lucky the stuff that we're all trying to quit right now uh smoking and and uh coffee and things like that are things that you never had to that you don't have to quit
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh but I I'm I'm not talking about you know about moral character here as much as I am just talking about
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] um most of the things that that parents in how should I say it the big issue was why can't I do this if you do that dad I mean you come home and have your martini right
[speaker002:] um-hum yes it's definitely the do as I say not as I do question
[speaker001:] yeah that was a definite opening for the for the you do your thing and I'll do mine um in my particular case I think that all of those or like alcohol is a is a severe problem
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] it's happens to be traditionally
[speaker002:] uh and
[speaker001:] uh how should I say it it has to be traditionally accepted that the drug testing in my mind is is really to spot the extreme user and if they have to spot the occasional user in the process and and when I say extreme I mean they can you can go from from little or nothing to to extreme very quickly in this game I've been told
[speaker002:] yeah now I think that's more related to other stresses outside you know if you get into a period where you're very very stressed on your job or very very stressed in your life then you're going to be you know if you have the predisposition then you can turn and your habit goes up and that's very true of alcoholism
[speaker001:] uh well yes and also the others too I mean I'm
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I'm not uh uh I guess the way I'm approaching this is it's tough to defend half of the playing field if you don't defend the whole playing field you know
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh the playing field in in this case is uh some people are trying to say well it's just uh marijuana or cocaine or whatever
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] uh and I think that's a tough a tough proposition it always has been and and it gave a lot of my uh friend's parents fits
[speaker002:] yeah but you know it it I I think there's a broader issue there is does a company have a right to know something about a person that doesn't effect their job performance
[speaker001:] uh and I you know that doesn't effect your job performance I think as a as a real tough uh issue and if I were if I were convinced I mean you know you and I are just talking here and
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] how how should I say it this is talk for pay so I'm not trying to attack you personally but but uh uh the problem is that I think it does effect performance and and you can go from a from a from no stress at all in your life to being significantly stressed uh in a day
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] right and when the
[speaker002:] uh I I I think that's to a large extent most people you know let let's take alcohol since that seems to be the more public knowledge and more studied of these type of things
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um I think there's more of a predisposition to it that a lot of people when they get stressed out you and I