[speaker001:] Well, how do you feel about spot test-, spot testing for drugs?
[speaker002:] [Noise] Well, basically I think it would be a good idea myself. I, uh, I think if somebody's not on drugs, they have no reason, you know, to be afraid of it.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, I do think that there has to be some controls, uh, like, I don't think one test positive should, uh, be, uh, [pause] the end of it, you know.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I, I think they should test more than once.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it's, it's
[speaker002:] It,
[speaker001:] it's refreshing to hear somebody,
[speaker002:] [Static].
[speaker001:] that has a similar opinion as mine. I mean, all these people that are against it that may, the-, you know, they may not even be on drugs. They, they call it an invasion of privacy.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh [baby].
[speaker001:] And I don't see that. To me that just doesn't sound like a valid argument because this company is paying you good money that you're working for
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] and they, I believe that,
[speaker002:] [Baby] [very faint].
[speaker001:] they have the right to know if you're using a, a dangerous substance [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But,
[speaker002:] There's so many jobs that, uh,
[speaker001:] [Barking].
[speaker002:] really have other people's lives in their hands or even their own life [baby] and, you know, and it's, uh
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, how can you do anything about a problem besides if you don't know about it?
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] You know, and I just, um, I, I think
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] there definitely needs to be some control to it. I guess it is possible to have a false [baby] positive report.
[speaker001:] [Barking] Yes. No, I, I, I agree that, you know, you, there needs to be a, a well thought out, sane approach to,
[speaker002:] [Baby].
[speaker001:] how to administer that program.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Just because you, you, something can get mixed in the mail, or
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] uh, the chemicals could react incorrectly than, than what you would expect them to. And, yeah, you, you know [very faintly],
[speaker002:] Or somebody's test gets mixed up with somebody else's.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I mean, those things do happen.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, I certainly wouldn't want people's lives ruined
[speaker001:] Right, and, you know, I've
[speaker002:] uh, [NOISE] wrongly.
[speaker001:] the, the, the company that I work for, uh, has just recently, well, you know, within the last couple of years, instituted for all new hired employees, they submit to a urine test.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh [NOISE].
[speaker001:] And, they, they say that there's been, you know, they, they, they've also implemented random testing.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, it hasn't happened to me in the couple of years that, you know, it's been in progress
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] but, uh, I, I fully agree with it and there's, you know, there's all these memos going around about folks that are disgruntled and feel it's an invasion of privacy, and
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I, I agree with you. If, if, if you feel it's an invasion of privacy, you've, you've probably got something you're trying to hide [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah and you maybe need to look for some other type of job to do
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] that, uh, doesn't require the testing.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Uh, to me, it's, to me it's not an invasion or privacy. I think it's people have a right to know if, if, uh, their, their life maybe's in jeopardy or, uh,
[speaker001:] Or, the quality of their product.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Their work, the work they're doing for their company. Uh, those things are all affected. If not immediately, it certainly does eventually.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I think that's where a lot of the problem is at first. It doesn't seem to, uh, bother the quality of work
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but eventually it does.
[speaker001:] Right, because it usually requires more and more of that substance that you're misusing
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] to get the same effect.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] Course, I feel the same way on the AIDS problem. I, I don't think that's an invasion of privacy, that's [static] the only communicable disease that they're not allowed to test for [NOISE],
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] you know, and it's destroying a lot of
[speaker001:] and then
[speaker002:] people's lives [static].
[speaker001:] and one of the few that they don't have a cure for [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah, and it's, you know, it's, it's destroying people's lives and I, I think that person, plus anybody in danger should, should b-, know about it and be aware of it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. [very faint].
[speaker002:] I don't know. It's, it's kind of hard to [pause] [lipsmack] I guess the gay movement has had a lot to do with considering that, that, uh, an invasion of privacy. Of course, that's not supposed to be [LAUGHTER] what we're talking about today, I guess. So,
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] I kind of get off on a tangent here. Uh, do you work for, uh, Texas Instruments?
[speaker001:] Yes, I do.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And I'm, I'm down in the, the central, but I don't know how familiar you are with Texas, but I'm in a, we live in a town, uh, near a town called Temple.
[speaker002:] [Baby] Um.
[speaker001:] Which is right in between Waco and Austin on the freeway.
[speaker002:] Oh, that's probably why, my brother did live in Grapevine, Texas. That's near Dallas.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] We're probably about two, two and a half hours south of him.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So.
[speaker002:] It's pretty hot down there probably.
[speaker001:] Oh my!
[speaker002:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] It's, actually, we got about two inches of rain in about three hours, yesterday.
[speaker002:] Oh, did you really?
[speaker001:] And it's
[speaker002:] Oh, that's great.
[speaker001:] cooled things down somewhat. It's getting more humid now, but,
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. We, we need rain real bad up here.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh [very faintly].
[speaker002:] It's, uh, everything's really getting dry. It's, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah [very faintly]. It's been about three weeks since we've had any.
[speaker002:] [Baby] Yeah. It's kind of at a dangerous level here. People hauling water, and, uh
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] it's getting real bad.
[speaker001:] Wow.
[speaker002:] So.
[speaker001:] How about that?
[speaker002:] So.
[speaker001:] Well, I hope you do get some rain up there.
[speaker002:] Um [pause]. So do I [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I [very faintly],
[speaker002:] Uh, I can't think of anything else, uh.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I, I guess being in agreement
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] kind of tends to limit the conversation
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] you know [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh, I can understand [baby]. I know if somebody is using drugs and doesn't think there's anything wrong with them, I can see [static] them objecting. You know?
[speaker001:] [Noise].
[speaker002:] there's a lot of people that [breathing] think that there's nothing wrong with [pause].
[speaker001:] One of the things I found interesting, it, it's funny that you mentioned that, T I is pretty much a worldwide company
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and we have manufacturing plants all around the world
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] including some places where the use of certain drugs that are illegal here are not illegal.
[speaker002:] Um. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Yeah, [LAUGHTER] they don't have to submit to drug testing like, like they do here in the States and some places abroad.
[speaker002:] Oh, I'll be darn.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting too.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, [NOISE] the different cultures and that
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] too, uh [static].
[speaker001:] I mean, uh, uh, from a quality standpoint, that's not, I mean, just because it's not illegal doesn't mean it doesn't affect you the same way.
[speaker002:] No, no. I'm sure it would have to affect you the same way. I, I can't think that would make any [LAUGHTER] difference
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] whether it was legal or not,
[speaker001:] [Noise] Right.
[speaker002:] it, [static] it would still have to affect you the same way.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but, like if you're going to do business in another country, you've got to respect their rules.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I mean if, if, you know, that, that's the trade off.
[speaker002:] Oh yeah. You can't you go by their laws.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] The same way [static] our people have to go by their laws when they're over there. That's why a lot get in trouble [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Huh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] because they have to follow their rules and, uh
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] some of the countries are very much against drugs and you use them, you [pause] pay for it [LAUGHTER]. .
[speaker001:] Usually [LAUGHTER] with you life in some places.
[speaker002:] Yeah, a lot of them. Yeah. Where, where
[speaker001:] That's right.
[speaker002:] is it they lose the, if they steal they lose a thumb or a finger?
[speaker001:] Yeah, from the Middle East.
[speaker002:] Is that where it is?
[speaker001:] Yeah. Iraq, Iran, in that area.
[speaker002:] I thought, wow [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] You know, that's quite a deterrent [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, in Saudi Arabia, you know, using, uh, alcohol and drugs and something like that, you get the death penalty.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] So, it's pretty strict over there [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah. So I guess, you know, we, re-, we have so many freedoms over here we sometimes forget about [pause] how
[speaker001:] Well, people tend to
[speaker002:] great out country really is.
[speaker001:] take the first amendment out of context.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Which, which means
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] you know, I could do anything I want to and you can't stop me, and you know [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] They, they abuse it
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] is what they do.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So, that's,
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker001:] I don't know. I'm, I'm glad to see more and more companies implementing the policy,