[speaker002:] it was Lee right yeah Lee what
[speaker001:] it's Lee uh and you're Bob
[speaker002:] I'm Bob
[speaker001:] uh I've been uh thinking about the topic and I think it's uh going to be interesting to see what happens as the criminal justice system responds to the tremendous I guess over load in uh cases they say that these drug cases alone are swamping the criminal justice system
[speaker002:] you know the Arabs world doesn't do a lot of the things I like but they don't have too many repeat offenders offenders in drugs and murder and a few other things you steal they cut off the hand you steal again they cut off both hands it takes care of it quick
[speaker001:] I've I've heard that I've heard that uh
[speaker002:] it takes care of it quick
[speaker001:] yeah I've even heard that the other end of the continuum some judges who are arguing that uh because the system is so over loaded that uh they recommend decriminalizing some of these things because the courts can't possibly handle all the cases
[speaker002:] uh two wrongs don't make a right
[speaker001:] I think its going to be very interesting because its uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it's really become a major expense for us as a society
[speaker002:] yeah in Texas uh some private enterprise built a few prisons or jails
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and with with the hope that the over flow from the county or the state would kind of get to them but uh see the evidently the counties and the cities are too scared to use them because of the expense but uh they're having trouble now paying their bills because they're not getting any customers
[speaker001:] well you know the other
[speaker002:] I don't understand that
[speaker001:] the other thing that I think is interesting about this is that they've been experimenting for years in the civil justice system with alternatives to courts where you can rent a judge and I'm wondering whether we'll eventually go to renting a jury um and finding ways uh like The People's Court to try some of these cases I think uh the expense is is enormous have you ever sat on a jury
[speaker002:] years ago I sat on a rape trial and we let the guy off wasn't enough evidence although I'm sure he did it
[speaker001:] yeah well it's uh it's it's a major undertaking I mean people have to give up their work and and a lot of their time
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh I I just think it can overwhelm us pretty easily uh when I hear what people are saying about just the sheer volume of the cases
[speaker002:] I think you need to get tough with them and quit calling them I don't think they need air conditioned cells and color TV sets they need to be put on hard labor manual and as tough as you can make it no coddling no kissing their and nothing nothing just say hey you committed a wrong and you're going to serve some hard hard time
[speaker001:] well there are a lot of people who think that that works pretty well and it'll be interesting to see what uh what we go to because it's uh
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] it's push come to shove time as far as I can tell in terms of the sheer volume of this stuff
[speaker002:] there in San Francisco you have a linteresting place called the Delancy Street House have you heard of it
[speaker001:] yeah oh yeah it's well known and and it's consistent with what you're talking about in terms of the uh approach to uh the uh you know the people once they get through the trials and I guess you know we're going to see more and more of this kind of thing I think the jury trial system um it's gonna to be interesting to see whether or not it becomes more streamlined uh because of the cost involved in that the uh the topic is an interesting one because of the um uh the price you pay for freedom I guess you know the the requirement that that people be given a trial and and
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] and then then the issue becomes what do you do once somebody's found guilty I suppose
[speaker002:] we was talking to somebody the other day over there in Japan uh they have a very low crime problem and one of the things they do to them in Japan is they publish the name and address and families of the person convicted of a crime and there is such embarrassment to the family that they have to move out of the neighborhood and move to another part of the country
[speaker001:] yeah yeah yeah
[speaker002:] well well our family sense of family has eroded I'm afraid in this country but I don't think it'll work here but over there the the way they're doing it it seems to be effective
[speaker001:] yeah have you uh in Dallas uh seen the newspapers ever print the names of people who were uh uh uh picked up as johns uh in under cover operations
[speaker002:] I've heard that I've heard that no I haven't
[speaker001:] they they they've done that in San Francisco and uh you know it's gonna be interesting to see how all these things change as as we look at the cost of it because
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] um that the well there was a guy who won in Pennsylvania uh this Senator Harris Wafford who said you know and and in this country everybody's entitled to a lawyer but not everybody's entitled to a doctor and we must spend I don't know what the figure is but jury trials are are just so expensive very very expensive and time consuming and uh so I think that that all of the these things that we're talking about are going to contribute to change and I don't know uh
[speaker002:] terribly expensive yeah