[speaker001:] uh what uh you have some ideas on the to help out the President here
[speaker002:] I think that one of the things they're going to have to do is go back and take some serious look at what's important and what has a return on investment uh there's an awful lot of federal programs that uh they put a million dollars in it and it probably does a couple of hundred dollars worth of good
[speaker001:] right I I think they are going to be a lot more selective on on what they throw money at
[speaker002:] and there's some things some programs that just don't seem to be working at all uh an awful lot of the social programs and welfare programs they're just seem to be self perpetuating and uh certainly in a lot of the state and local regulations that are involved just force individuals into perpetuating the same activity and gives them no incentive whatever to solve their own problems
[speaker001:] right people get get where they depend on the benefit and they don't have much interest and there is no uh uh enforcing uh ability I think to make sure that it doesn't get continued there's there's a lot of waste as a result I think of that
[speaker002:] well some of the things that happen in welfare programs that uh they are inclined not to give welfare or reduce welfare payments if there is a uh male present in the family
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so that's resulted in uh the family dissolving the husband is thrown out of the house so that they collect the welfare
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh then the children are raised under the single parent circumstance without uh the father roll around
[speaker001:] well uh I
[speaker002:] and uh they wind up doing exactly the same thing
[speaker001:] yeah I think there's uh there's a good opportunity if they'll take advantage of it with the with the the defense needs not as great as they use to be uh if and combine the savings there with with the savings in all these uh give away programs and and then waste that's in welfare and a lot of other programs I think they can start to get a handle on on the budget though what I am afraid is they will just continue wasting money the way they have and and uh throw throw potential savings into uh more programs that don't do any good
[speaker002:] I think we can also do a lot to eliminate an awful lot of paper work and superfluous regulation
[speaker001:] well there was there was was a study I don't know if you heard of it it was the Grace Commission
[speaker002:] I know that um-hum
[speaker001:] uh and it it he was uh a private uh individual and he did a study on on cutting waste out of government and he came up with I forget the figure but it was a tremendous amount of savings that could be cut out without really cutting benefits uh just the waste that went on you know
[speaker002:] yeah well I know that uh well it seems like just ten or fifteen years ago when we were writing a proposal to work on some program we would sit down with an old Freidman mechanical calculator and work out a one or two page cost proposal
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and now when we write a proposal for the same magnitude of program we have a Compaq three eighty six and it runs for about three days and generates about three hundred pages of uh nonsense to for somebody to go read
[speaker001:] right yeah you wonder if all that is necessary and that's the same in government I guess it's is it all necessary
[speaker002:] you know and uh you wonder if anybody every reads it and if they do why
[speaker001:] yeah yeah it it perpetuates a lot more jobs I think is what it does
[speaker002:] and uh and I I think one of the problems we're having with uh schools uh is sort of the same factor that uh
[speaker001:] but but
[speaker002:] when I was going to school we had uh a principal assistant principal and everybody else was teaching except the janitor
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and now it seems like there's uh as many administrators and administrative assistants as we have teachers
[speaker001:] yeah well
[speaker002:] and uh the number of pupils per class has gone up by about fifty or sixty percent
[speaker001:] well with the economy overall getting bad a lot of companies have had to really go into cost cutting and streamlining and that's something the government has really never tried hard to do uh they just have to learn to live within their budget I think and and not uh allow this bunch to get out of hand like they have
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh there's no no need in spending all of this money on on a lot of welfare and these programs when you're going into debt to do it
[speaker002:] and I think that the government also goes overboard uh on the way they do things uh we have a a new sewage treatment facility near here that's uh one of the fine EPA approved things that does a super job of cleaning up the water and they have an administrative building associated with it that uh has