[speaker001:] all right Cliff what kind of hobbies do you have
[speaker002:] too many
[speaker001:] too many not enough time for them all huh
[speaker002:] I have I uh have photography or I read a lot I also uh work with computers as both hobby and and work
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh those are the main ones I suppose I also design kites
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] wow that's interesting interesting well what all do you have to take into consideration when you design a kite
[speaker002:] the ones I like are the ones that are simple and cheap
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I have one that I made from newspaper that uh you can't get much cheaper than old newspaper but it doesn't have any sticks or anything of that sort
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it flies like a sled in other words
[speaker001:] are you uh have you made any money off your hobby
[speaker002:] oh no no my hobbies are hobbies
[speaker001:] yeah so what do you like to read when you read
[speaker002:] I read uh both nonfiction and fiction
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] most of the name brand authors and so forth
[speaker001:] yeah uh does that take up do you uh watch any TV or anything like that or
[speaker002:] oh yeah everybody watches TV I suppose but I uh I uh not married to it let's put it that way if I have a good book I would rather read it than watch TV
[speaker001:] yeah well that's good that's cool um
[speaker002:] how about yourself
[speaker001:] me I uh I play chess I uh lift weights play basketball ride bikes that's my exercise part of my hobbies I guess
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and I read usually the Bible or some other type of Christian literature um let's see  I like to play cards uh don't watch any TV though because we don't have a TV but uh every once in a while I'll sneak over to some friend's house and we'll watch a ball game or something uh we're just we're pretty much new in Texas so we're just trying to get into the lifestyle like we'd like to go see a rodeo sometime and and we my wife and I went to a one Ranger's game and we'd like to go a few more times maybe see Nolan pitch one time
[speaker002:] should have been out the other night right
[speaker001:] yeah exactly that would have been the best were you watching that game
[speaker002:] well we got to see the illegal broadcast that channel five had at the end of the game
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] they were supposed to just show a quick flick and they it turned out that was the last batter that he was pitching to so they just stayed on the uh network and I understand that the producers got themselves in a little trouble they'll probably have to pay a
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] compensation of some sort for that
[speaker001:] oh that's terrible should showed a little bit of yeah
[speaker002:] but we got to see it anyway so they showed a little initiative
[speaker001:] showed a little bit oh yeah get your priorities in line see a little bit of history
[speaker002:] right where did you uh come to Texas from
[speaker001:] from Indiana
[speaker002:] from Indiana
[speaker001:] yeah my wife and I both went to Purdue and she got a job with Texas Instruments down here so I kind of followed her down here and I'm looking for employment or schooling or something on those lines
[speaker002:] the uh Sherman is far enough away from Dallas to be uh away from most of the the blithe that associate is associated with Dallas
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] they uh I work with Texas Instruments also
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] actually I've been with TI for thirty four years
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] in research my wife originally came from Des Moines so she's from that turf up there
[speaker001:] yeah the Midwestern Corn Belt
[speaker002:] right yeah I was in the Kokomo uh last year uh late on in the year uh out to the Delco plant Delco Electronics out that way
[speaker001:] yeah were you just out on loan or something or
[speaker002:] they uh well we had we do a lot of uh work with automotives that's lots of T I parts on automotive uh things that don't have the TI bug on them
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] we make uh anything anything that's uh metal clad for example aluminum bumpers that are metal clad and all sorts we have we make we make that in Massachusetts the uh a lot of the sensors that go there
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] when uh automatic chokes were common in automobiles well we had a hundred percent capture of the American market we made all the automatic chokes for Ford Chrysler Chevrolet
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] all that so there's a lot of things like that that Texas Instruments makes that even the employees don't know they make for the most part
[speaker001:] no kidding I don't know that so the more a car becomes computerized the more TI becomes involved
[speaker002:] yeah we have a lot of electronic stuff there as well but what I described was mainly uh associated with metals and sensors which is mainly what our Attleboro Massachusetts group does
[speaker001:] huh so how did you like Kokomo
[speaker002:] oh I liked it fine
[speaker001:] how long were you there
[speaker002:] uh only two days we we were out visiting uh Delco to show them some of the uh computerized map things that we had that sort of thing
[speaker001:] yeah well you said something about uh the blithe of Dallas uh do you live in Richardson
[speaker002:] yeah well we we haven't
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] been contaminated yet shall I say with the blithe but there's some older areas in Dallas and Oak Cliff that are pretty you wouldn't want to be out at night let's put it that way in that area
[speaker001:] yeah but that hasn't reached Richardson yet huh
[speaker002:] no no thank goodness and it's all the way across town it's on more on the south side than it is the north side anyway
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but I guess all the older cities have that have that problem you say you play cards do you play bridge
[speaker001:] oh I had a friend that taught me how to play bridge we we get all these transplanted people here in Sherman not too many I don't know any one that's from Sherman now really uh a guy from New Mexico has been trying to teach us how to play bridge and we liked it we played a game called euchre which is
[speaker002:] I'm familiar with it
[speaker001:] you know euchre hey that's cool
[speaker002:] yeah right yeah my uh I was in the uh service right after college the Korean war going on
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and my wife and I played uh all sorts of card games that we got out of uh book of Hoyle of which euchre was one that we learned
[speaker001:] yeah right
[speaker002:] pinochle uh flabbergash ever hear that I bet that's one you haven't heard of
[speaker001:] I've heard of it but I've never played yeah I read read Hoyle too not the whole book but
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah yeah
[speaker001:] looked through some of the games hey euchre's a big Indiana game Indiana and Illinois and Ohio
[speaker002:] yeah well in Texas of course the Texan game is with dominos playing forty two
[speaker001:] with dominos
[speaker002:] right it's it's a bidding game also but not like bridge you only go around one time with dominos
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] and uh you probably haven't even heard of it but I'm I'm telling you that's a Texas game
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] okay that's a very uh very well known old timers Texas game lots of people uh play that
[speaker001:] so at least I got the scouting report
[speaker002:] yeah in fact that used to be called Baptist bridge because the Baptist don't believe in playing cards so you could but it's okay to play dominos so you
[speaker001:] so far
[speaker002:] forty two is called Baptist bridge
[speaker001:] that's funny wow do you do you play cards a lot or
[speaker002:] oh no I I like cribbage also that's a good game for two
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] play backgammon or anything like that
[speaker002:] uh I haven't really gotten serious about it like the resurgence I played it in uh teams but
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] not until until it came back so to speak I haven't played that with the the doubling bet and so forth
[speaker001:] I figured a uh a computer man would be into chess
[speaker002:] well I uh had no one around me when I was growing up I uh solved chess problems and have several chess problem books you know mate and foremoves and that sort of thing which I enjoy but uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] I didn't have a uh anyone else around me uh when I was growing up that was all that interested in chess I know all the moves and I can follow the game and that sort of thing and enjoy watching
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] experts play
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I participated one time with a uh grand master we used to have a chess club at Texas Instruments and uh we actually had a grand master in the area who came out and played all of us simultaneously you know
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] and he also played us uh blindfold chess one one one on uh one and uh as the game was going along uh he says uh mate in six and if you play chess you know six is a long way ahead and uh we all looked at the board and couldn't figure out how he could possibly mate six and sure enough he mated in six just like he said he would
[speaker001:] yeah wow that's scary
[speaker002:] but he played us uh on a round robin where he walks around the tables and plays everybody
[speaker001:] how long ago was this
[speaker002:] oh it's been several years ago like uh probably ten years
[speaker001:] remember his name
[speaker002:] no it's too long ago uh I really don't but he was he was something else we had one member who's really uh in the professional class if you will he used to go to the matches all the time
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and his let's see I've forgotten let's see the grand master and then right out of that's master what's the one that's just under master
[speaker001:] expert
[speaker002:] expert yeah he was expert
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so uh he gave him a run for his money when he he had to be playing all of us but if he passed you uh twice uh you were out in other words if you hadn't moved when he went around so the more members he beat well the faster he got around and uh so Tony the
[speaker001:] yeah