[speaker001:] you do a lot of uh camping up in Utah
[speaker002:] uh I used to do more when our children are were younger we'd go we'd go for a week and and have uh stay up in the mountains it was really fun
[speaker001:] well in in the mountains up in Utah or where
[speaker002:] well in Idaho and we have camped a lot in Utah too but mostly in Idaho we're right we're only about fifty miles from the Idaho border so we've camped there a lot do you camp a lot
[speaker001:] well I go camping a lot with the Boy Scouts
[speaker002:] oh oh
[speaker001:] we do we do several types uh we do several types of camping one type of camping we do is called a Base Camp where we simply go to camp set it up and spend the weekend the second type of camping we do is backpacking where we simply go to an area backpack in spend a night or two and then backpack out and then a third type of camping we do has to do with uh aquatics
[speaker002:] aquatics
[speaker001:] well canoeing for the most part we we we take a long
[speaker002:] oh um-hum
[speaker001:] trip every June on the Buffalo River in Arkansas for about nine days of canoeing
[speaker002:] is that with older scouts then
[speaker001:] uh no the scouts have to have achieved the rank of First Class which they generally get done after a year and then they're eligible to go on the trip
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] so we'll have boys on the trip that'll they all should be twelve by the time we go all ranging all the way up to seventeen
[speaker002:] oh yes I have five boys that are Eagles so they've done a lot of camping too and they've they've uh one thing they've done is gone on a fifty mile hike
[speaker001:] well these hikes that we've taken our boys uh generally are about six six to ten miles but uh they'll go they have the chance to go to Philmont in July and then they'll do the fifty mile or whatever hiking then
[speaker002:] oh oh well our camping is just with the family we've well part of the time we've been in trailers and part of the time we've been in tents but uh we've uh and then when we've we've been camping we floated down the Buffalo River in Idaho and done things like that
[speaker001:] you have you have a Buffalo River up there too huh
[speaker002:] in Idaho uh-huh
[speaker001:] I wonder if they're connected to the one in Arkansas
[speaker002:] oh I would doubt it I think this empties into the Bear River
[speaker001:] well we do some family camping too where we just all go for a weekend but we only have time to do that a few times a year because the scouts go camping
[speaker002:] you sound like you're a very active Scout Master
[speaker001:] well assistant at the moment
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] uh but we're very we're very busy because we go camping every month except February and and then in July the boys either go to regular camp or to Philmont and the other months we all go camping
[speaker002:] my goodness where's Philmont
[speaker001:] uh Philmont's up near your end of the woods
[speaker002:] I've heard of it before
[speaker001:] it's in the uh I don't know exactly where it is but it's somewhere in the Montana Montana Wyoming area
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] but we we have boys that'll go there in July and they'll go up there for a week or two
[speaker002:] our our son that's our youngest son uh went to a camp called Life and it was up in uh and that's been a fantastic deal they really put out on their own and they're not they can't go until they're seventeen or eighteen but they're put out on their own and they just have to survive camping
[speaker001:] here you can go to Philmont but you have to be thirteen as of January first of the year you want to go which is in July so most of the boys that go are at least fourteen
[speaker002:] oh well that sounds exciting does uh do you have uh children that are scouts
[speaker001:] well I have one son that's a scout
[speaker002:] oh how many children do you have
[speaker001:] I have also a daughter she's a Girl Scout
[speaker002:] oh oh
[speaker001:] they don't do as much camping
[speaker002:] oh well our our family really enjoys camping they the boys will even we live in along the Wasatch and they'll go up the mountains just above our house and camp
[speaker001:] well I'm afraid the nearest mountains to us are several uh hours away
[speaker002:] yeah we have a son in Plano that we visit all the time
[speaker001:] well that's why they call it Plano because it's just plain
[speaker002:] it's terrible
[speaker001:] it's plain you can from my office on a clear day I can see Fort Worth which is about thirty five miles away
[speaker002:] oh oh well I I when we've been down there I just can't believe the flatness of it all so do you live near Plano
[speaker001:] well I I live uh just south of Plano in Richardson
[speaker002:] oh yes I know that
[speaker001:] which is the next suburb just south going down the freeway
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh well we we spend uh part of our time camping every year we go up into an area and our whole family goes my brothers and my brother and his family and my sisters and their families and we spend