[speaker001:] what do you think about it
[speaker002:] well I I feel in light of some of the accidents and so forth that have happened lately that I think there are some occupations that they should such as the health field the transportation field uh they're already doing it in the armed forces where they handle weapons and so forth uh they do it to prisoners so I I uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I I feel like it should be mandatory in some professions and I think if if uh an employer feels that he wants to to drug test employees and they don't like it then they should not be employed there that was you know I would not mind it
[speaker001:] yeah I I especially agree that if it's an area where they could cause somebody else you know harm or injury absolutely
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and I don't have a problem at all with employers uh testing in the hiring process but I I I don't I don't have a problem with them too much testing even after the fact but I do a little bit where it where it wouldn't hurt anybody I don't know sometimes I think they carry it a little bit too far
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but
[speaker002:] well unless an employer has a reason to believe that his uh the work competency of
[speaker001:] yeah um
[speaker002:] of the employee employee is is hurting the business I mean maybe it's uh number one because generally if if they are involved in that type of thing they are into theft
[speaker001:] right and then it's not a problem yeah
[speaker002:] and as an employer I would think that would be and the first it's not going to be wholesale because of the cost there's no way but but my concern is uh school bus drivers
[speaker001:] oh absolutely oh yeah
[speaker002:] um I'm not even I'm in education I'm not even opposed to it for that
[speaker001:] train the train drivers
[speaker002:] uh I'm concerned in the medical field
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I I I think they should screen for alcohol in these areas too because I consider that a drug
[speaker001:] I wish they would I I wish they would and that I think is even probably more widely abused by you know the masses than than drugs so to speak
[speaker002:] right right right but when you consider they could be driving an airplane or driving a bus or
[speaker001:] so oh I know it
[speaker002:] a train um and it doesn't take that long uh they they don't have be totally roaring drunk just a little off on their timing could could mean life
[speaker001:] and no just uh  yeah and now TI has the random testing policy and and you know our names or our employee numbers or whatever are in a in a pool
[speaker002:] oh okay uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know so I've already been tested once when I was hired and and once since they initiated this random testing program
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I work with one girl who was tested her name got got randomly selected three times in six months
[speaker002:] oh my word
[speaker001:] and I think that's the only reason I have a problem with it when there's no you know there's no reason to suspect someone you know that that's getting a little bit that's enough to make anybody paranoid
[speaker002:] control right well as long as you accept that it is a random a random testing uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know to to alleviate that way you can't feel like somebody's out to get me if it's almost like being selected for jury duty
[speaker001:] right yeah
[speaker002:] you know so your name came out of pot when they spun the wheel that's that's just the way it is
[speaker001:] you were just the lucky or the unlucky one depending on how you look at it
[speaker002:] I would I would rather have it that way to know that I was chosen at random by a computer than to think that somebody turned me in
[speaker001:] oh absolutely
[speaker002:] because I I think there's when you let other employees turn in people
[speaker001:] there are so many people with with their petty axes to grind it could really get out of hand and
[speaker002:] right right so I I I would really rather know however there's got to be some backup to say that if if somebody does observe you at say at a party uh using drugs I would think that it would be their obligation to report that
[speaker001:] yeah to report it and I guess you'd report that to a supervisor maybe anonymously or something
[speaker002:] personnel or something right
[speaker001:] because I I would feel very uncomfortable working with someone I knew was using either illegal drugs or abusing alcohol I'd just I'd feel really uncomfortable
[speaker002:] right well I don't know what kind of work you do but there there would be even be a situation where you were at a machine and working with somebody that was that way and
[speaker001:] yeah we have we have a lot of people who work on the line I'm in accounting so it wouldn't you know they they couldn't hurt me with their ten key or something but out on the line they've got people working some serious equipment
[speaker002:] right right right it's it's
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] I I just think employers have to have especially given today the drug abuse that goes on I just think employers have to have some kind of way to see that they're not being put at risk because they're the ones who are going to have the lawsuits the insurance claims et cetera and and I'm not sure but what some of the insurance claims aren't due to
[speaker001:] put at risk I agree totally
[speaker002:] uh illnesses brought on by drug abuse or alcohol abuse
[speaker001:] and in the long run we're all paying for that so it's I mean it it protects us in the long run hopefully when they do that
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] I I was trying to remember there was a court case uh here here where I live just a few months ago the city workers they wanted to um the city government wanted to institute the random drug testing
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] and the city workers uh took them to court to protest saying that it invaded their I guess first amendment the the search and seizure amendment
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it's still tied up in the legal channels they haven't ruled on whether they can test them or not
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] so I'm curious especially since TI a local you know employer is also already doing it seeing what what they'll say about it especially since
[speaker002:] to see how that's is it is it uh just a small group of the employees that are concerned
[speaker001:] well it's the whole it's the whole city seems like the whole group of city employees that's raising a stink over it
[speaker002:] they they just don't want to be drug tested
[speaker001:] yeah so
[speaker002:] you know we've never my husband and I have never been in a situation where somebody said you have to be drug tested
[speaker001:] y eah
[speaker002:] uh my husband's retired from I R S agents
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] however this isn't a problem that we have and either alcohol or drug and so we we in our minds we're thinking what's the big deal
[speaker001:] right yeah that's the way I looked at it if I had something to hide it's one thing but I'm you know you know you don't so it's not as big a deal and you sometimes wonder when these people protest so much whether they're really concerned about their rights or whether they're really concerned about something else
[speaker002:] right and and then they say well if you give them the right to do this then they're going to take some other right away from you but I I a firm
[speaker001:] I don't believe that
[speaker002:] I think that an employer has the right to ask you to do anything and of course the big deal one of the big deals now too is to that when you come into a company as you sign a paper saying that I will go take a