[speaker001:] okay uh where do you stand on gun control
[speaker002:] was a loud one I'm against it
[speaker001:] again your a one then
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh-huh I I uh your against gun control why why
[speaker002:] yes you you can't enforce the laws you got why do you want to pass some more
[speaker001:] that's a good that's a very good point very good point I personally I guess I would be a five they said pick a one to ten
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh because I I'm I think I'm dead smack in the middle I think that if there is going to be a ban on gun control that it should be enforced like you said and I feel like if there if if there is a band put upon us it wouldn't be a forced enforced just like um there's suppose to be working on a drug problem suppose be working on our education problems
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] things like that and those aren't being enforced but at the same time I want to see people protect themselves because things like the drug the drug war is not is not helping and I feel like I have to protect myself when I go out somewhere because there's so many people they're crazy people out there
[speaker002:] that's correct I don't know how maybe that's I agree one hundred percent I just uh what irritates me I guess is that they keep wanting to pass gun control laws that do nothing but take away your your constitutional amendments
[speaker001:] you know and so uh-huh
[speaker002:] and that is that is really not gun control is not the problem
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] it's the people using the guns
[speaker001:] exactly
[speaker002:] and all they're doing is look at this new Brady Bill
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] the seven day waiting period that does not deter anybody who really that wants to buy a gun
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] there's spots here in Austin
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] on Sixth Street to Eleventh east east of the interstate
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and you stand in an alley down there and buy anything you want
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] I mean you know and
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] whether you want guns drugs women anything uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah it's just it's just like the drugs I mean they're legal
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but you can get them anywhere if you want you can get it
[speaker002:] true you can make two phone calls if you know if you know anybody here in town uh you can make two phone calls and have automatic weapons
[speaker001:] uh that is a shame
[speaker002:] the law's just you know it's they can't enforce what they have you know and I'm not a big fan of Peter Jennings peculiarly
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] but he was on one of the on the talk shows one time they had Kennedy on there and Brady Mrs Gonzalez and some of the other liberals but you know
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and he he pulled this big stack of papers out that was about oh four feet tall and he said these are all the current gun laws you have the books if you can't enforce these why do you think you can pass another one and enforce it
[speaker001:] exactly exactly
[speaker002:] but uh the Brady Bill won't do anything but just make it harder for the people that are honest to buy one those those that are criminals which are the ones that are refusing guns in the first place uh they're not going to walk in and buy one anyway
[speaker001:] the reason I think I'm so cloudy on the issue is because I mean it it I want to protect myself but at the same time I don't want anyone to have a gun that could harm me you know what I'm saying
[speaker002:] well uh the uh proper solution is education of the masses
[speaker001:] and so uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] you've got to educate the people in in using the weapons
[speaker001:] uh-huh exactly
[speaker002:] and you know our forefathers you know everybody carried a gun here in Texas
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know for you know a couple of hundred years
[speaker001:] right but everyone weren't they weren't going around killing each other
[speaker002:] that's true unless of course there was you know
[speaker001:] trouble yeah
[speaker002:] sufficient sufficient provocation which we have basically the same something now it's just that all the honest people you know the citizens as it were no longer carry guns to defend themselves because only only the criminals are
[speaker001:] but do you think more and more people now are carrying guns and weapons
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] I mean just to I'm talking about the regular like
[speaker002:] oh yeah uh I have a class license
[speaker001:] Joe Blow on the street uh-huh
[speaker002:] for firearms and a friend of mine owns a gun shop in
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I go up and help him you know work in the store and stuff like that and it it's amazing the number of people that are buying guns and the reason they're buying them is they want to give their wife one to carry in the car with them
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and that some of the woman will come in and they'll look around and they'll try and find a small one to fit inside their purse
[speaker001:] right uh-huh I mean you you have to because I I mean I don't have a gun it just scares me to have one but I feel like that very soon I'm going to have to get one just because I would probably feel safer
[speaker002:] and well if you get one you know
[speaker001:] right now I have a knife under the seat in my car uh if I'm going anywhere at night anywhere I mean if I'm just stepping outside my door I carry something on me if I'm you know going up to my door and I don't have anything I put my keys in some kind of weapon like position in my hand you know
[speaker002:] you're single I take it
[speaker001:] I'm sorry
[speaker002:] are you single I take it
[speaker001:] yes yes I am I have a boyfriend but you know he's not always around
[speaker002:] yeah okay yeah well my wife uh before we got married uh she didn't carry any sort of thing and uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I I've got uh I've acquired you know her you know bought several that I give her to carry one of them she carries in her purse
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and there's some in the car I I always have one in my truck when I'm driving any place
[speaker001:] yes my boyfriend that that got me you know put the knives here and there and you know just different things and
[speaker002:] you know knives or mace or something but uh you know
[speaker001:] yeah and I have mace on my key chain I mean I have a lot of you know little things that but I don't I don't like to have to carry them you know uh but you have to
[speaker002:] well it's a sad state of affairs when have to but uh you know they're are more and more homes getting broken into and everybody says well
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh it's because of guns no it's not because of the guns it's because of the people and and actually they're breaking in
[speaker001:] no no that's right
[speaker002:] to the homes and and using weapons to buy drugs although you do have those that you know like the idiot who ran out and grabbed that AK-47 and shot everybody up at the McDonald's in Calif ornia
[speaker001:] that's right uh-huh uh-huh now that's just
[speaker002:] you know that we're talking about somebody whose crazy having a gun law is not going to stop him because he's going to find one
[speaker001:] lunacy that's yeah he'll find some other way whether it's a gun or bomb or what
[speaker002:] and uh yeah well you know California California Hawaii and New York state have these and uh now New Jersey had the stiffest gun laws
[speaker001:] oh do they
[speaker002:] oh yeah but you know where where are the most crimes committed New York state
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] as you know uh John Lennon was you know you know was shot and killed
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] in uh New York by a guy that bought a gun in Hawaii which has a tough gun law
[speaker001:] uh uh uh
[speaker002:] and you know I mean this clown out in uh California he uh had a criminal record you know a mile long
[speaker001:] and still got a gun
[speaker002:] but he still had not one but several
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and there was one not too long ago but in the last six months uh he shot up that Allstate or or or that GMC credit place in Florida
[speaker001:] right uh-huh
[speaker002:] well he went out and bought six different guns
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] you know and he had a criminal record
[speaker001:] and I mean if you find if you offer a uh enough money to somebody they'll go get you a gun you know if your not eligible you know come to me offer me enough money I'll go get you a gun you know there's probably a lot of people like that
[speaker002:] oh yeah and there are people yeah they're people doing that so I mean the the solution is not to pass more laws than you can't enforce because they're they're going to pass one now they're trying too either the Staggers Bill or the Brady Bill
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh um-hum
[speaker002:] either way they do it it's going to cost you and me more money
[speaker001:] right and not probably going to help too much
[speaker002:] because and and and we're going to increase the bureaucracy that's supposed to handle it and what are they going to do they're going to punch your name in the computer and you're going to come up as no you're not a criminal and no and no you have no criminal record you know and yeah you can by gun
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but that doesn't say that you're not going to walk outside and three days later shoot somebody
[speaker001:] exactly
[speaker002:] you know there's no substitute for people
[speaker001:] a lot a lot of people that are in jail you know it's their first shooting or why do people you know not everybody has shot someone before
[speaker002:] oh yeah actually guns are not the prime uh weapon used in killing people in crimes of passion or whatever
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] it's knives and baseball bats
[speaker001:] uh-huh baseball bats
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I didn't know that
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] I could see knives yeah stabbings and things
[speaker002:] see you can walk down the street carrying a baseball bat and nobody thinks anything about it
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know and how many times have you seen people walking down the street carrying a baseball bat
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you figure what little leaguers on their way to practice
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] they could be gang members just as easy if you
[speaker001:] I didn't know baseball bats was like that
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's uh it's quite a deal
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] nobody pays attention to a baseball bat
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know and you you can see a baseball bat in the back of the car and nobody no cops going to give you a ticket for a baseball bat in the back of your car
[speaker001:] that's a very deadly weapon
[speaker002:] yeah so why you know
[speaker001:] I mean one blow at that and
[speaker002:] yeah or knives you can have knives everybody's got knives of course you're limited you know you can't have switchblades and stuff
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] but uh uh you know guns are used but so is everything else
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] if you're going to ban that if you're going to band guns I've got an article in the Wall Street Journal where they had where they had uh used a satire where someone in New York had suggested all the guns because they were used for commission of drug regulated crimes
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and they immediately decided well lets start banning the public telephones
[speaker001:] bless you
[speaker002:] I'm sorry and they said well let's band the public telephones too because the public telephones are used in the commission of drug related crimes
[speaker001:] very true
[speaker002:] makes about as much sense
[speaker001:] a lot of sense
[speaker002:] but you know the to my way of thinking you know uh I'm a I'm you know I spilled blood on the ground you know for in the United States
[speaker001:] uh um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh if if the United States does not trust me enough to have a gun after that then I don't trust them enough to govern me
[speaker001:] right right
[speaker002:] but I'm kind of radical on that I just you know
[speaker001:] you sound like you're pretty strongly
[speaker002:] well I I see too much of it and I see people come into the shop up there and you know and I buy guns and and they haven't got the faintest idea what you are doing
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know and they want to buy a gun now I think there should be some sort of ID card that you carry
[speaker001:] right what do you think about making some kind of application or something
[speaker002:] there's an application you fill out now
[speaker001:] do you okay
[speaker002:] it's a yellow form
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but uh see that's it's just another piece of paperwork it asks for your name your address and phone number and the county where you birth and all and you know and then there's a list of ten questions you answer and if you answer no to all of them that means you're a good American you such um seriously and
[speaker001:] yeah uh uh uh
[speaker002:] it's a little yellow form you fill out and it puts the name and the serial number the gun who bought it and the date like that and that stays in the gun shop and it never goes anywhere it stays right there we've got boxes full in the back room
[speaker001:] uh well that's a lot of help
[speaker002:] and and the only thing that it's used for is if uh if Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms come down and does an inspection
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] they look through and if they look through and if they look through your legal logbook you have to log it down in and out well you got
[speaker001:] and they probably really do that
[speaker002:] and they and they don't come out very often
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I've seen them once in about five years
[speaker001:] oh my goodness
[speaker002:] but they come down once