[speaker001:] I think that uh one uh advantage of having uh the unanimous verdict is that in a criminal case you want to make sure that you don't uh convict someone who uh really shouldn't be convicted um
[speaker002:] definitely
[speaker001:] and I think that you know a unanimous verdict uh helps to ensure that I guess uh maybe one drawback of it is that if you have one juror who is very unreasonable in some way that uh you uh would have a problem uh you know that you wouldn't convict someone who maybe should be convicted
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] have you ever served on a jury before
[speaker002:] uh I have twice it was pretty wild experience
[speaker001:] oh uh what sorts of cases were they
[speaker002:] they were just you know small town cases where uh trailers and banks were involved you know
[speaker001:] so were they criminal or civil
[speaker002:] they were civil they weren't they weren't any criminal
[speaker001:] oh okay what uh what was the verdict did the did the jury have trouble reaching a decision
[speaker002:] uh the jury it was uh let me see I think it was ten to one on the jury because they only had to have eleven people
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so it was they and uh the one changed his vote at the end
[speaker001:] so did it become
[speaker002:] so it became unanimous you know after they turned it in and then he changed his mind after they turned it in but it then became unanimous so
[speaker001:] yeah ah  oh but since it was a civil case it really didn't matter right you just needed a majority
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] what was what was the other case that was also civil
[speaker002:] the the uh other case was just traffic the and you know it was seat belt law and it it didn't even hardly
[speaker001:] yeah oh didn't really even count
[speaker002:] go through so
[speaker001:] yeah I'm I'm a college student so I haven't been you know of a jury eligible age for very long um
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh I did get um one summons actually at one point but I declined it which I'm able to do because I'm a student because it was uh a very bad time
[speaker002:] yeah well you learn a lot going to the juries like that though
[speaker001:] yeah I mean I I really I would like to uh to do it at some point um but uh I I haven't um one one thing that I I think is um you know maybe is a problem is uh I I I think that the criminal jury system works pretty well now but I wonder if maybe in some civil cases it doesn't work as well
[speaker002:] it
[speaker001:] uh especially sort of
[speaker002:] I wouldn't think that it does
[speaker001:] ow well
[speaker002:] I mean from from my experience from what I experienced in them it didn't you know it didn't
[speaker001:] the
[speaker002:] didn't turn out the as the way I planned it I mean the way that I would think that it would go it
[speaker001:] ah but you thought it turned out pretty well
[speaker002:] yeah but it was you know it was jury was unorganized and it was it was just wasn't organized enough for me so
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I'm not used to it not being organized and I just assumed assumed that it would have been
[speaker001:] oh so it was just kind of a zoo and the jurors just sort of someone had to figure out what was going on
[speaker002:] that's that's about what it was
[speaker001:] hum that's interesting did it did it work out pretty well in the end I mean did a couple of people sort of gradually sort of assume uh sort of a moderator role in the trial or
[speaker002:] yeah they well they picked the one person and then he finally you know moderated everything and made it turn out the way it should have so
[speaker001:] so it worked it did end up working out pretty well
[speaker002:] yeah it ended up working all right
[speaker001:] the one thing I sometimes wonder about um in civil cases is uh whether especially sort of in uh maybe like product product liability or medical malpractice where there's um sort of a very technical decision to be made sometimes
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] you know it's not just a matter of um of you know did this guy rip off this guy and it's just a matter of interpreting a contract it's sort of a matter of uh you know sometimes getting into very technical issues and I wonder if uh if there's really um if the system works adequately in in educating the jurors about uh whatever um you know issue is under discussion
[speaker002:] uh I don't think that they they they educate them enough to to really know what's going on
[speaker001:] in in the case you were involved in you said it was just sort of a a bank matter of some kind so
[speaker002:] yeah the bank was suing them for uh because they went to get the the trailer
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that which was assumingly their property it was on his property
[speaker001:] ah oh so the deal was that he had uh borrowed money from the bank to buy it and he hadn't made the payments
[speaker002:] right so they came to get it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and then when they came to get it well it it was on the landlord's property and he wouldn't let them take it off
[speaker001:] ah so they were suing to get it back
[speaker002:] so and they'd already it was a double wide so they'd already taken it apart
[speaker001:] ah
[speaker002:] so they left it there
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and then when they came back to get it a couple of days later it had rained and got all in it
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] so they were suing him for the money and you know there's no way they could because it's it was the moving company