[speaker001:] yes okay what do you do consider as as camping
[speaker002:] well um we've done a lot of tent camping that's probably the closest definition that I usually think of but um there are a couple of places in the San Francisco area that are considered environmental campsites that are sort of like rustic cabins they have no um electricity and no water
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but there's usually a pot belly stove or something like that and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you can spread out sleeping bags on on uh wooden surfaces so
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] it's a pseudo cabin but they call it environmental camping
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum well the only camping the only camping I've done really is living in a tent we used used to go to Lake Shasta like fifteen years in a row
[speaker002:] we really enjoy that oh that's beautiful
[speaker001:] and uh you know take everything up there park our car unload the car and then go by boat to the camp spot you know two or three trips back to the car to unload everything
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh the
[speaker002:] is it one when you've been there is it one of those uh state park arrangements where
[speaker001:] no no it was just a little camp spot that we found our you know by ourselves and it was usually in a little place called Calucci Creek
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh
[speaker001:] and um you know we put up our eating tent our john tent and our sleeping tent and uh slept in in the tent you know on
[speaker002:] I don't think I've ever seen a john tent that's
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] that's more rustic camping perhaps than I've done usually where someplace where we're sort of close to
[speaker001:] you know what it is it's actually one of those little tents that you take to the beach and you set up to change your clothes in that's what we use to put around our john
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh that's great do you usually spend then quite a few days
[speaker001:] yeah it was like two weeks
[speaker002:] oh wow
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] how do you like that I don't think I've ever been camping quite that long that seems like
[speaker001:] uh it was
[speaker002:] without showers and all you how how did you
[speaker001:] well just it was it was nice for a while but after fifteen years I got tired of it
[speaker002:] how did you enjoy that
[speaker001:] and then my next my next vacation trip was to Hawaii
[speaker002:] so it was sort of an annual thing every year for a while
[speaker001:] right right
[speaker002:] sounds like fun thing about Shasta too is there's so many other things that you can do
[speaker001:] but uh I've never gone anyplace else really except Lake Shasta camping you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh is Patterson fairly close to Shasta
[speaker001:] no Patterson's down by Modesto
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] it's like twenty minutes away from I used to live in Oakland
[speaker002:] oh well
[speaker001:] uh and um used to go camping all the time up there but I've lived down here in Patterson now since eighty eight
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know
[speaker002:] there are a lot of uh camping grounds county and state facilities in the Santa Cruz mountains south of here so
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] tends to be a good place for us to get away sometimes
[speaker001:] um-hum do you have little kids that like to
[speaker002:] we have one two year old so actually we'd been camping for a long time before she was born and just now introducing her to her it to her rather
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh um-hum um-hum it's fun for kids though isn't it
[speaker002:] yeah they really enjoy it I think that she's at an age now you're not as concerned about where she's going to run off to she can pretty much stay close and
[speaker001:] you know um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] I think her first camping trip she was eight months old so
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] hopefully she'll learn to enjoy it as much as we do
[speaker001:] um-hum well I'm ready to go camping again I I did go camping in a in a camper on a pickup deer hunting
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh over a weekend so know lived in a camper on that
[speaker002:] um-hum that's that's kind of fun we did that once in Yosemite too
[speaker001:] yeah that's that's not too bad at least you're inside you don't have to worry about the bears and
[speaker002:] right that was one good reason in Yosemite the person in the camper next to us had gotten hit by the bears that night so we were glad we were a little more secure
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum um-hum but
[speaker002:] yes in fact I've never been camping at all in Yosemite outside of the uh the camper arrangement I know that they have tent cabins
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] that sort of remind me of the environmental cabin situation but
[speaker001:] yeah it it it would be fun to go camping up there again I haven't been up to Yosemite for God I don't know how many years I would love to go up there again
[speaker002:] yeah it's a beautiful place I think I worry that it's changing so much so quickly the valley has become so popular
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I know if they say the road up there is terrible now you know with all the traffic
[speaker002:] do you remember it a a long time ago I don't know if you ever went there like back in the fifties or
[speaker001:] it was a long time ago that I went there but I've only been there once
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know
[speaker002:] my folks used to tell me about trips that we took when we were little um and that at that time there really weren't delegated designated campsites so um
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] people would basically come as soon as they could to stakeout their their terrain and put themselves basically anywhere they could find a spot so you go to bed at night and have a few people around you and wake up in the morning and just be surrounded there were no limitations in other words to the campsite there were people everywhere
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah yeah but it's beautiful though you look outside in the dark and you see all the stars all the stars up there and everything compared to uh you know living in the city
[speaker002:] it's a little bit better arrangement today um-hum um-hum