[speaker001:] ever um
[speaker002:] hello
[speaker001:] hello yeah okay so we're started I guess I'll press press one again
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] there uh I'm surprised it's not telling us that that uh we're going but at any rate um had do you have such a program uh where you work
[speaker002:] okay no I don't and uh I can't say that I'm unhappy that we don't uh or happy you know either way I guess not being not being involved in it uh
[speaker001:] well I'll tell you the truth when it uh when it was introduced to Texas Instruments it was a lot of hard feeling now my initial reaction was benign I uh really didn't feel as a matter of fact I was sort of sympathetic in the sense that uh uh you know we we want to stamp out um drug use
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh and uh the it's certainly no good for the company to have employees who are on drugs
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] um and I don't really consider it uh an invasion of privacy uh in the sense because uh drug use is uh a dangerous influence on other people in society
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] um there was I was in with a group of fuzzy heads however who um were rabidly opposed to it and I I gradually became
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] proselytized uh by this group and the to me the big sensitive thing is well there there're couple things one is the is the insult of it perhaps as a um preemployment test is one thing but to come in post facto and say to uh employees who are tried and proven uh that they've been asked to do they're gonna have to submit to drug test is sort of a slap in the face
[speaker002:] um-hum oh yeah you know I might I might see a case as well where it might be warranted in um someone who obviously had a problem with it um someone who had um well I won't say behavioral problems but uh you know noticeable signs or you know got caught on the job you know uh in that case if they really wanted to help the employee it's sort of an enforced uh enforced clean period um but you know
[speaker001:] and of course there're problems with doing that you realize because uh this requires a very strong minded management and uh uh a supervisory it requires the supervisor to be brass balled in in a sense to go to a an employee who appears to possibly be under the influence of drugs and say you've got to take a drug test
[speaker002:] yeah I'd
[speaker001:] uh as opposed to just randomly requiring it of everyone
[speaker002:] that's true that that sort of singling singling a person out I guess I could see that side it of it as well well you can see I really haven't given it a whole lot of thought I'm I work for a privately held uh uh systems integrator and uh we are family oriented as a company and uh we we don't have uh any any problems that uh anyone knows about if you know what I mean there may be problems but no one is aware of them so it it's sort of a an invisible thing for us um
[speaker001:] um-hum right
[speaker002:] there's no real requirement for it um I did work for a company where I had to take a psyche profile once but uh that's another story
[speaker001:] was that on a need on a need basis or
[speaker002:] no all uh uh um everybody had to take one
[speaker001:] oh I see all right
[speaker002:] but uh thank you very much that's uh that's another that's another matter entirely but yeah I guess uh I guess I would say now now that now that uh you've presented that case I would have to say that uh random if if it were gonna be done random would be the only way to do it otherwise you're unfairly singling someone out
[speaker001:] uh right um I guess the other objection that I was exposed to at Texas Instruments was the um unproductive unproductive nature of it that basically uh drugs is not a problem at Texas Instruments and the corporation I think are going through this exercise mainly to remain in the good graces of their customer the government
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh rather than to improve their productivity by stamping out drug use because the the likelihood of finding drug users in the TI population is very very low
[speaker002:] oh sure you have to be sharp
[speaker001:] and um and so uh people saw it as actually sort of a passing on of the the testing uh requirement from the government