[speaker001:] so I guess most of what happens happens in Salt Lake which is just about twenty miles south of us and that's quite a bit bigger and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] they were just talking about how they had all these drive by shootings and stuff and it sounded like it was getting to be like LA a little bit but
[speaker002:] um-hum do you have gang problems
[speaker001:] yeah it's there they they say its getting a lot bigger uh
[speaker002:] well I'm a school principal
[speaker001:] oh are you so you're right familiar with all that I bet
[speaker002:] um-hum elementary school well its elementary school
[speaker001:] oh it's a what
[speaker002:] elementary but I have gang problems
[speaker001:] oh yeah oh at that young huh you're kidding at which
[speaker002:] um-hum I'm in a part of Dallas where there's a lot of gang activity and my I have through the sixth grade
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] but some of my sixth graders will be thirteen fourteen years old
[speaker001:] yeah so they're getting started
[speaker002:] and they get recruited
[speaker001:] oh you're kidding
[speaker002:] so uh we we have really very significant problems
[speaker001:] I'll bet my wife was just uh talking to her mother and uh I guess they said they had an F B I come guy come to there she she works in a middle school and they were talking about how the hats signify you know gang and stuff like that and
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] and uh that you know it some day it'll eventually past but right now they say there's all kinds of kids getting beat up because of the they wear the wrong hat on the wrong street and that's get it's getting pretty darn scary I've got a little eighteen
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum its its surprising to me that it's that true there because the only time I've ever been to Utah
[speaker001:] it um-hum
[speaker002:] I spent a week on the Brigham Young campus at a workshop
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and it was very uh dramatically different that the people you saw than what we see here because you had no minorities you know and
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that's true yeah I think we've probably got it to a lesser extent I wouldn't say we're anywhere close to some of those other places probably like what you have but
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] it you know they say I guess a lot of the people that they the the gang related things they put them in jail and then they when they get out they just say get lost just don't hang around L A or don't hang around wherever and so they just move on to new territory and where ever they can find easy pickings but
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] you can see it getting a little bit worse and worse it it's pretty sad like you say you see all these kids thirteen fourteen year olds and you know it'll be a school night and they're out at ten eleven o'clock just roaming the streets and
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] I just never remember that when you know it's been a while since I was in junior high or high school or even elementary school but
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you just I just you were never out past eight or nine o'clock on a school night you know if you were even up out of bed you were lucky it seemed like and
[speaker002:] but of course you you have a lot of parents that are not really parenting much
[speaker001:] yeah that's true and you know and I think when it come
[speaker002:] you have that in Utah
[speaker001:] pardon
[speaker002:] you have that in Utah
[speaker001:] yeah its getting worse I you know like I say I
[speaker002:] because I would think that big Mormon influence there would uh
[speaker001:] yeah with with that with that Mormon influence it may not be as bad but we still get a lot of the two uh the two parent income or the two income families and and I really think that's a lot of the problem its just you don't get all the the values taught in the home that you used to get
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and and the kids are left to to to do their own thing and find their own you know entertainment and stuff and I I really think that's what you're missing we miss a lot of the those good values that were taught years ago to
[speaker002:] well I I work in an an area of town like my school
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] is about seventy five percent Anglo and that's very unusual in the in the Dallas Public Schools
[speaker001:] uh-huh yo yeah I would think so yeah
[speaker002:] but it's very it's like the lowest socioeconomic Anglos
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] yeah it's it's what in the South we call poor white trash
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and then the other uh significant percentage I have is Hispanic
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and course that's growing
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but the kids that I have the biggest discipline problems with are Anglo children
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] and I I've got lots of Anglo children who are just not really wanted by anybody
[speaker001:] huh not by their families or anything
[speaker002:] well and for example I have a boy now he checked out today
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] he's fourteen he's in the sixth grade he lived with his mother in Mississippi he had been to he thought ten or twelve schools in Mississippi
[speaker001:] uh-huh sheesh
[speaker002:] then his mother now his mother and father aren't divorced but they don't live together in a long time his mother had a new boyfriend who moved in who owed so much back child support for his children
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] that they couldn't afford to keep her children anymore so they sent them here
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and here he was with his father and his father's pregnant girlfriend
[speaker001:] oh jeez
[speaker002:] and they pawned all his personal belongings like he had a Nintendo and a VCR and some stuff they pawned that
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and he's just been tearing my school up and he told me he's gonna be bad enough to be sent back to Mississippi
[speaker001:] jeez
[speaker002:] and today they checked him out to send him back to Mississippi
[speaker001:] huh you're kidding you know and that and it's so sad because you I mean sure it's the kids doing it but you know who really is has the blame for that yeah
[speaker002:] now those kids yeah but yeah but those kids are ready fodder for gangs
[speaker001:] oh yeah the people show them some interest show them some love and
[speaker002:] sure they belong gives them something to belong to gives them identity gives them importance
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] gives them a certain security
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and um