[speaker001:] okay Carolyn what kind of dress do you have to wear when you go to work
[speaker002:] uh I can actually wear anything I want to however I generally wear uh suits or dresses
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] how about you
[speaker001:] uh well in my company we do have to dress up and they don't say that you have to um dress in a dress for women but they strongly urge it so it's it's kind of an unwritten law
[speaker002:] well the company that I work for uh we it's very casual we don't see any people there's a plant out in the back and then I'm in the office section and we always had casual day on Friday which meant you could wear jeans or whatever you wanted to which to me dressing down is you know like wearing pants and a jacket or something
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] but uh even though I don't have to dress during the day you know in anything that dressy I still feel better I feel more professional when I'm dressed up
[speaker001:] exactly it's puts puts forth a better image it's uh my company doesn't usually have casual days we had our first one in four at least since I've been there which is four years not too long ago and I didn't feel comfortable dressing like many people came in like warm ups and no and I
[speaker002:] you're kidding that's casual
[speaker001:] yeah and I don't feel I I wore you know a nice pair of pants and and blouse but I I I just couldn't feel comfortable in my warm ups around everybody at work
[speaker002:] uh-huh would I assume that perhaps they did that one time and that was it
[speaker001:] oh well it was just recently so I don't know if they'll do it again the way some people looked I would doubt it
[speaker002:] well that's what I always thought actually uh the gals in our customer service department quite honestly came in every day in what I considered casual but
[speaker001:] um-hum I don't know I it just seems if you want to get ahead or even if you just want everybody to think of you you know as a a professionally you you don't just want to have the real casual look all the time
[speaker002:] um-hum do you work for a large company
[speaker001:] well we've got two hundred people in our office but we're the corporate office so um it's it's relatively large but I mean I have a job very much longer so I I don't want to say too much
[speaker002:] well and it and it affects uh you know being in the corporate office how you have to dress too do you
[speaker001:] exactly we have to hold the image for everybody
[speaker002:] do you tend to dress up toward your superiors as the books kind of
[speaker001:] I would like to you know I dress as nicely as my budget allows
[speaker002:] I understand
[speaker001:] and and you know I mean it's it's a lot better than some people there and it's not as nice because I don't have the money of others you know what about you
[speaker002:] um-hum uh I have never I really have not worked for very many companies that I had a female role model
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] um the we have some I'm sure in our corporate office but I've not met them yet but uh the last few jobs I've had well there was two jobs ago there was a girl in the office uh that I tended to try to emulate somewhat but uh
[speaker001:] um-hum so you don't work with many women
[speaker002:] no not too many
[speaker001:] and I work with all women
[speaker002:] I've do you really
[speaker001:] and my husband does well not all but the majority and my husband he works in a bank and he works with all women
[speaker002:] majority I'm sure that's true I used to be in banking and you're right the majority of the people there
[speaker001:] yeah at least at the lower levels you know
[speaker002:] uh exactly  what oh someone never mind that's a call coming in but
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] we'll pass that
[speaker001:] what about season to season do you change
[speaker002:] um I probably get a little bit more casual in summer in then in that I would wear a more casual top under some of my suits
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] than I would wear in the winter
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but our offices are rather cold so I I'll tend to try to dress warmly too
[speaker001:] exactly I I do the same and that's what basically keeps my wardrobe I may wear a few really warm dresses in the winter but I don't I don't change a whole lot because it's it's we're environmentally controlled you know you end up wearing the same thing
[speaker002:] well tell me another thing uh how do you wear your skirt lengths
[speaker001:] below the knee I I I don't have nice knees they're kind of knobby so  on the knobby side I what about you
[speaker002:] well I they go from everywhere to just like halfway up the knee to uh mid calf
[speaker001:] uh-huh halfway up the knee you must have better
[speaker002:] not halfway not halfway up my leg halfway up my knee
[speaker001:] oh okay
[speaker002:] okay my half of my knee might
[speaker001:] oh okay I I I'm thinking halfway between the knee and your say your hip
[speaker002:] uh and my I'm a little too old for that for one thing and it's terribly unprofessional
[speaker001:] well it that it is but I know a lot of women who who do wear those skirts and they have been reprimanded in our company before
[speaker002:] really
[speaker001:] yeah also I was going to just mention that I wear what you know my my wardrobe my wardrobe how should I say it I wear what I can fit into
[speaker002:] you mean you have fat days and thin days
[speaker001:] oh yeah fat months thin months you know
[speaker002:] well right now I'm having a fat month I know half of my clothes don't fit me since the holiday season
[speaker001:] exactly the same for me but I'm working on it but I'm not doing a very good job at this point I haven't gotten serious yet
[speaker002:] well we have to get all of this junk food out of the house from Christmas
[speaker001:] that's right that's right but I'm so used to eating now it's hard to get out of the habit
[speaker002:] well