[speaker001:] well and
[speaker002:] well
[speaker001:] let's see we're going to talk about uh
[speaker002:] kids in college and how to help them
[speaker001:] kids how to pick one right
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] well it
[speaker002:] and you've been through three of those
[speaker001:] uh three times yeah
[speaker002:] yeah well I've been through once so
[speaker001:] well if
[speaker002:] how did you do it with your three
[speaker001:] well with uh John the first one he wanted to go into engineering so uh he had never really lived in a large town so we looked at good engineering schools in relatively small towns like Purdue in uh Lafayette Indiana we looked at uh Clemson and VPI
[speaker002:] where were you living back then
[speaker001:] we were living in in north Alabama at the time
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] and uh we looked at Mississippi State which was in a small town in Mississippi and uh finally settled on Auburn which was in Alabama in the small town of Auburn
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh we also wanted a school that had a uh coop program because uh he wanted to go into engineering and we thought that a coop program was a good way to get some experience at the same time
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so that was kind of how uh we finally settled on small town and good engineering school with a coop program for him for Brian
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it that was kind of funny because he first started out thinking uh that he wanted to go to a small school that's what he thought when we lived in Alabama and then he moved to Plano and went to Senior High
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] he figured if I can go to Senior High I can go to school any place
[speaker002:] yeah I I think there's a lot of that when you go to a school with two thousand kids there
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] suddenly a college that's small seems I'm going backwards
[speaker001:] yeah so he ended up
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] uh I don't remember what his original major was because he changed it about three times at A&M but he ended up going to A&M I think because of
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh he just thoroughly enjoyed the uh the atmosphere down there when he went down for a trip
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh he was sold on the place Jana I think wanted to to stick a little closer to home and really didn't have a major when she went in in fact I think that was somewhat of a a default because her grades were not as good as uh Brian and John's in high school so she was somewhat limited in her in her choices to places like Stephen F and
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] North Texas and maybe UTA and uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] she had some idea that she might want to uh do something with uh physical therapy and TWU was also up in uh in Denton so if she started at one she could move to the other and might not even have to move out of her apartment
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] so it was kind of close to home and there were two schools in town that uh she could commute back and forth between the two
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] how did uh your gal picked Baylor
[speaker002:] well I think it was well a little bit of she narrowed it pretty rapidly to eliminate the real big ones Texas and A&M
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and then it kind of got to be a combination of what she thought she wanted to do and uh the uh quality of the program it it you know Baylor was kind of always at the lead there for uh for some time uh she looked at Austin College I think she applied at Trinity but she really wasn't applying at any of the state schools
[speaker001:] oh what's her major
[speaker002:] um accounting
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so it was a bit of of the major but not a whole lot there's a lot of campuses have business majors so that was not a big deal for her
[speaker001:] sure
[speaker002:] but she just uh it was sort of her choice and I think it was a little bit of we visited there and she visited some because her high school boyfriend's sister was there so she had spent some time there and
[speaker001:] I see
[speaker002:] felt pretty comfortable she she looked at Austin College but I think again it was the the size aspect it was just too small for somebody coming from Plano unless you you really felt you needed something smaller
[speaker001:] good one in Plano yeah yeah what is the population of Baylor I don't even know
[speaker002:] so its uh about uh eleven thousand
[speaker001:] oh is it okay
[speaker002:] yeah so it's uh it's sizeable but it's it's sort of in the not giant size
[speaker001:] yeah yeah not like uh Austin and College Station
[speaker002:] yeah yeah in the case of your kids that I I guess with Jennifer it was more uh that she was making her own choice which I kind of feel is one of the keys if they're going to go do it they better they better decide where with uh
[speaker001:] yeah it needs to be a place they want to go
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh if they're going to be successful if they think Mom and Dad picked it or they're going there because that's where Mom and Dad went and that's what they want them to do uh that's the wrong reason for picking a place
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] that's kind of the way Brian picked his first major I think he without asking me he thought because I was in computer science that he should do the same thing and so he started out in that arena and didn't really care for it and finally asked if I would mind if he changed and I said
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] not at all because you you want to find something that you like to do not necessarily what your Dad does
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so uh
[speaker002:] definitely
[speaker001:] he felt a little easier about that after uh after I told him it wouldn't upset me at all if he found something that he wanted to do rather then copy what I did
[speaker002:] yeah well it seems uh I don't know of a whole bunch of kids who uh really do what their father did there's some I think doctors may be a place where and I don't know quite why that sons often follow Dad
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] into the profession and maybe that's some of it takes Dad's pull to get an in and other folks can't get in as easily
[speaker001:] well that could be
[speaker002:] but uh I don't have any kids who want to become engineers
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] so uh you just kind of live with it
[speaker001:] sure well and they they need to do something that they think they will enjoy
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh uh like I told Jana once she finally settled on a major she just did so much better in college than she did in high school once she found something to get excited about
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] and uh whether she ever makes a lot of money at it or not is is immaterial if she enjoys it and is good at it and uh so far I think she is
[speaker002:] yeah well that's the key to it is that enjoying what you're doing and uh you know I think the folks I see having more trouble picking colleges are I got some friends who at Arco there who uh well they're from back east and uh and uh their kids are are looking in on some of those eastern private schools
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] when you start looking at the twenty to thirty thousand dollar price tag and you
[speaker001:] oh I know it
[speaker002:] start saying well do you really have to go there to get what you want
[speaker001:] that's right I mean it would be nice if you could but you you can be successful without necessarily having a uh a degree from an Eastern school
[speaker002:] uh-huh but they're from back east and they got a lot of relatives there so it's uh some of them do that
[speaker001:] uh-huh well they feel some uh some peer pressure from their peers the parents do sometimes
[speaker002:] yeah yeah