[speaker001:] some of the political trends that have started up uh I guess in the other side of the ocean as it were some of the uh
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] revolutions and desires for change that's going on over there when that first started going on there was a politician in the US I don't even remember his name but uh he made a a not so widely publicized comment that said just wait awhile and see how much US aid ends up going that way
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] his and he thought or predicted that Poland would be one of the first ones to start seeing uh both in forms of debt forgiven and uh actual dollar values given over to them and they took a little while but sure enough some of that stuff is coming about uh so I don't know if that's going to be an ongoing trend that we're going to start helping this country and that country and breaking our own backs as it were what do you think
[speaker002:] well I think that's uh a you know valid observation that uh anytime that a company that a country appears to be uh moving in the same direction that the United States uh thinks is the right direction that they tend to get more you know more uh more aid from from our government then they would have before or the other governments do um I suppose that's a uh as valid a way of determining who gets aid is as anything although I'm not sure that uh us giving aid is the right uh right thing for our government to be doing
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um I I think it's kind of ironic that from my you know from my observation anyway that that we're uh rewarding other governments for becoming more democratic in following more capitalistic approaches whereas in our own economy the trend seems to be more towards social programs
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and you know away from the capitalistic approach so it's kind of like you know we're moving in the in a kind of a direction toward each other
[speaker001:] yeah that's interesting
[speaker002:] uh you know I I mean that's my own observation anyway
[speaker001:] yeah I think you're right I think over the well goodness I guess you could go back as  far as Roosevelt and say that the social programs have certainly gone up and only economics have caused a few cutbacks but still the desire seems to be that the government say
[speaker002:] right right yeah
[speaker001:] or the norm has become that they would desire that the government say yeah that we deserve this so you will provide this
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] this is part of the old happiness aspect
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] that's a that's an interesting thought that they're headed to be a socialist and they're headed to be democratic and maybe we're capitalist and maybe the two will meet in the middle and and and agree I I don't know
[speaker002:] and I'm not sure that uh that I would even think at this point that somewhere in the middle would even be desirable because uh I mean if there's if there's something uh if what we wind up with is more socialistic than what we have now then I'm not sure that it's the right thing it's there I think we have too much too many social programs
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh it's a social programs without the corresponding responsibility I guess is
[speaker001:] right that does seem to be a problem that even the Poles faced when uh I think they're one of the earliest experimenters in in trying to get a capitalist uh economy going and some of the things that showed up is um I hate the term worth it work ethic but that seems to be the one that's tied to it
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] that some of the Poles just didn't know what it meant to get up in the morning and you know be there and put in a few extra hours if it needed it or you know a little bit of work here and work there do what it takes instead of just stamp the clock stamp the clock and forget about it give me my paycheck
[speaker002:] um-hum right
[speaker001:] um though there are jobs of course that exist that way here uh they don't they don't they're not labeled CEO you know they're they're uh assembly line type jobs and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] they didn't have that worth it ec ethic and here we're headed towards socializing to the extent that there's a whole welfare population that doesn't have it
[speaker002:] right oh I
[speaker001:] so but that's an interesting uh merging as it were of the two ideas we're going one way and they're going the other
[speaker002:] I noticed in uh an article in the paper where I didn't read the whole article but you know the headlines anyway indicated that there's a a seems to be a consensus among small and medium size business owners that the uh the output of the American worker is on the decline you know pretty severely but uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] the output's really suffering and I think that's you know that's another indication that that we're headed in the wrong direction
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] uh you know and I think uh I think rewards for a job well done are are are necessary and I I think that we I guess we have a tendency to as you know as managers of companies or owners of companies they have a tendency to try to get as much out of the employee as they can and not give as much as they can
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you know in return I uh I I think that that there there needs to be some give and take in both you know on both sides of the of the picture there
[speaker001:] I don't know if it'd be a political trend or not to to uh consider the problem of the well I guess it it is a matter of uh at least the government's causing it there's there's so much more paperwork in most every job I mean the poor teacher can't get their jobs done for the reports and the things that the government requires and
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and uh the whole defense industry issue of having so many layers of management just to handle the paperwork and
[speaker002:] well uh you know even the police uh have a lot of paperwork to do uh I observed a uh I didn't actually see the accident but uh the the aftermath of a three car accident yesterday here in Richardson and I was going into the public library and apparently the accident had just you know recently happened then but there was a policeman there policewoman there
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh taking down the information and I was in the library a good thirty minutes and came back out and she was still sitting in the police car there you know the accident
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] participants were gone but she was sitting there filling out paperwork you know so you know it took her thirty minutes plus to to handle one traffic accident
[speaker001:] hum yep the more cars the merrier the paperwork
[speaker002:] and uh right  and you know I think that's uh just a a kind of an indication the paperwork the the amount of information that the government wants even about a traffic accident you know is so much that uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know we get bogged down and things like that
[speaker001:] I wonder if they waive that when uh some of these horrendously large pileups occur in California like you hear these twenty and thirty pile
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] boy couldn't you imagine doing the paperwork on that'd take an army of officers just to do the paperwork
[speaker002:] correct yeah
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] okay well that just sounds like I got another phone call trying to come in so anyway it's been interesting thank you
[speaker001:] all righty I'll let you go then um bye
[speaker002:] bye