[speaker001:] I haven't done any camping lately how about you
[speaker002:] oh not recently we we've done a little bit of car camping uh since since I got married and did a little bit of backpacking several years ago but uh not recently
[speaker001:] were these extended trips or just a weekend or
[speaker002:] well not real long maybe three four days at the most how about you
[speaker001:] uh that's about what I've done but it goes back even further to my childhood camping went out camping and and the purpose was not to camp the purpose was to fish
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and there were no motels in in the wilds of New Mexico so if you wanted to go fish for a few days you would uh and at certain lakes that were definitely off the beaten track you would do what you I think what you call car camping
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I mean the car's there and and you may or may not sleep on a cot outside of it or inside the car or but uh nothing too elaborate in the way of tents and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I've actually even slept on the ground
[speaker002:] yeah well I've done a little bit of that too um I guess I've kind of done the full range of camping anywhere from backpacking in the mountains for for a week at a time to the the car camping kind of thing
[speaker001:] where did you do your backpacking
[speaker002:] well I've done some down in um Tennessee and Kentucky that area North Carolina and then done some in New Mexico and some out in Montana Colorado so I've kind of gone around and done it number of places
[speaker001:] but this was in years past or yeah
[speaker002:] right I used to work at um summer camps um a lot when I was in high school and college and I worked at some summer camps in New Mexico where um the emphasis there was on backpacking exclusively
[speaker001:] around Philmont or something
[speaker002:] right um-hum you've been there
[speaker001:] no I haven't no but every Boy Scout I've ever known has camped at Philmont
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah yeah well it's a very popular place and I worked there three summers so got to know it pretty well
[speaker001:] yeah I guess I don't know do you think it's it's as safe as it used to be to go camping
[speaker002:] well probably the biggest concern that I would have now is getting safe drinking water um cause a lot of times we'd just pull water out of a stream and um use that and I was never really big on using a lot of chemicals for water purification and treatment um and nowadays I think I'd be a little bit more cautious about that than I used to be
[speaker001:] yeah when when I was in growing up in New Mexico if we went on a picnic or whatever it was always in the mountains we lived in the southwestern corner of the state so we could go to the mountains or the desert just pick a place and if you were needed water the you'd find a stream and drink right out of the stream
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] when I left New Mexico and moved to Missouri I would not have dreamed drinking out of any stream that I saw there
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] so I guess partly it depends on on how isolated the river is
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but uh course I I mean even in in New Mexico you always had the possibility of a cow or uh some other critter upstream a ways from you
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] um what about crime in camp sites do you think that's a problem
[speaker002:] well I suppose in some of the real big parks and stuff that could be an issue but generally I haven't ever found that to be a problem usually people are very friendly and um cooperative all the way around so I've never deemed that as a threat to myself but
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] been been fairly careful about not leaving tempting things out in the campsite and stuff like that
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah it you hide your fishing gear and your camera and all that sort of stuff don't tempt people
[speaker002:] um-hum right and usually if I'm backpacking of course there I don't worry about it much at all because if there's something there that they want they'd have to haul it out a long ways so they usually would think twice about it
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] I have a good friend who goes backpacking about twice a year in the Grand Canyon
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] he's he's really uh hung up on that Grand Canyon
[speaker002:] you know I've had some friends of mine that have made the trip down through there a couple of times they really enjoy it but there's something about going down in a hole that just um doesn't really relate that strongly to me I suppose I'll try it someday but I always like to climb mountains and get up where I can see something
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I I think with the case like in the case of the canyon you see more from the rim than you would ever camping down inside of it
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] yeah are there mountains in Wisconsin for you to go out and climb or
[speaker002:] well no it's more mostly just some rolling hills so there isn't really much