[speaker001:] well Allen do you think that uh all our politicians are totally dishonest or are they just making mistakes like their uh banking business
[speaker002:] I think some of them are dishonest and some of them are probably honest mistakes it's hard to me to imagine that somebody's going to overwrite uh what what was the largest amount of checks and write out a check for five thousand dollars and not know they're overdrawing their account
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but on the other hand somebody you know making a couple of overdrawing checks probably isn't a major phenomena I think they're under a lot of pressure especially when there's money involved and it's hard to keep them honest when they're there for a long time
[speaker001:] oh I think so too and I think that's just about the only thing you can do to to clean up government or clean up the political side of government is to kick the bums out periodically limit the terms
[speaker002:] well that bothers me because again we ought to have a government where we can choose who we want and when you you know limit terms and you say well even if people want this person they can't have them which is kind of a hard situation too
[speaker001:] yeah but but the longer they stay I'm and I'm assuming we're just talking about Washington politicians I don't know that much about the state government I figure it's pretty rotten too I mean even the city council's are a little weird if you look at Dallas
[speaker002:] or a lot weird
[speaker001:] yeah but but have you been to Washington
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] have have you watched those folks in action I mean I visited the House and the Senate and sat there in the gallery and watched those folks up there pontificating to a room of no one
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and and it it their their posturing their I don't know I it it's like their not in the real world or something and maybe that's why they have have trouble drawing lines as to what's illegal and what's not
[speaker002:] well I mean the other problem is is that they're always up for reelection
[speaker001:] sure
[speaker002:] so that they're always not making the right decision but the politically correct decision
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and it it I think that's hard for them plus when you you put the lobbyist back there I wish somehow we could limit lobbyist
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] I think that's a greater problem because they're constantly trying to use their influence in not always the most positive ways
[speaker001:] yes that's true I I think they do things that make it easier for our elected representatives to have to live the good life
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I mean if you if you just look at at what goes on in Washington those folks don't live the same way I do anyway
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] it's almost that they're royalty of some sort and I think that's why they forget sometimes that laws apply to them too
[speaker002:] uh seems to me somehow if they could draw a straight salary and not have any other benefits and you know I don't know what the salary ought to be but I think that would decrease somewhat the the need for the kinds of things that sometimes happen
[speaker001:] yeah but aren't they making something like a hundred and ten thousand a year
[speaker002:] well I was shocked I was happened to be reading the voters guide in the last election and a Senator a a a Representative makes a hundred and twenty nine thousand dollars a year which kind of blew my mind yes yes I'd like to make that much
[speaker001:] that's more uh that's a lot more than I make huh huh well run for office
[speaker002:] uh no thanks
[speaker001:] yeah they I I what gets me is when they pass laws and they always manage to exempt themselves from them
[speaker002:] or raise they give themselves raises when they're trying to cut government expenses
[speaker001:] oh yes but I mean is it no wonder that there's not a balanced budget when they can't even handle their own checking accounts
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I don't know
[speaker002:] and the other problem is you know one of the other questions it asked is is is there someway we can make all unethical things illegal and I'm just convinced you can't legislate common sense
[speaker001:] no probably not
[speaker002:] and that seems to be something that a lot of them are missing
[speaker001:] that's right I they get caught up I think in the the glamour and the power and whatnot and probably make bad decisions bad choices sometimes
[speaker002:] and I think part of the other problem is is because government has such a bad reputation people who might really do well in it tend to avoid it because of all the negative uh feelings about politicians you may have some people who could be do a really good job but they just kind of stay out of it because they don't want to be associated with that kind of thing
[speaker001:] that's true that's true I wonder I wonder if Ross Perot would get elected how he would behave
[speaker002:] I don't know little nervous about that one too
[speaker001:] I I think he's an honest person
[speaker002:] yeah I think he definitely is I don't
[speaker001:] uh and he and he certainly has no need to have his hands in anybody else's pockets
[speaker002:] I'm just wondering how he would cope with the fact that he can't just do you know sort of looking at the as an outsider at the way he ran his company you either did what he said or you were out and I'm not sure as a President you could ever run it that