[speaker001:] are do you work outside the home
[speaker002:] uh yes I do full time
[speaker001:] and do you have small children
[speaker002:] no I don't have any children
[speaker001:] oh okay
[speaker002:] no huh-uh
[speaker001:] I uh I also work outside the home full time
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I I do have small children though
[speaker002:] oh my gosh
[speaker001:] it makes it does make it very difficult I think that um our culture has um broadened quite a bit so that it is very acceptable for a woman to do so
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and um
[speaker002:] do you think it's gotten easier on you personally you know as far as at work uh you know other people how you interact it's gotten easier on you
[speaker001:] um well yeah yeah but I didn't I I never found it difficult
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] as a woman my I'm I'm in the medical field and so I don't I I'm not in a field that is typically a man's field I'm not a surgeon I'm not a doctor um
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh right
[speaker001:] and so I I haven't um oh breached anybody's confidence on I haven't tried in you know going into a man's
[speaker002:] yeah yeah right yeah yeah I'm an engineer
[speaker001:] what is typically a man's role are you in a are you in a job that
[speaker002:] and so so I have I have uh uh problem even when I was going through school
[speaker001:] yes you are you're challenged frequently yeah
[speaker002:] I found it to be a man's world and I got a lot of static from that
[speaker001:] yeah it it
[speaker002:] my and it my first few years at TI I found it to really be hard but now that I've been there for a while it's it's kind of a deal you have to prove yourself and after I've been there for a while now you know the guys I'm just kind of one of the guys I'm um you know respected and and and I do the same things they do
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I'm sure not necessarily sure I get the pay the same pay but I'm pretty sure I do and and I feel a lot better about it I have a friend that had just turned forty five
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] that's an engineer and she tells me horror stories
[speaker001:] oh I'm sure
[speaker002:] of what it use to be like you know you know always getting um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] belligerent comments like you ought to be at home having babies instead of doing these blueprints and things like that things that would just make her cry at work but she couldn't cry in front of them because they'd do it more you know so she's
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] she you know builds me up and says be a strong woman and and present yourself professionally and you know builds my confidence quite a bit
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so that's why I ask you that if if you thought maybe times his changed made it easier on you at at work
[speaker001:] uh for me personally I don't think that um my sex really has much to do with um with limiting me as a matter of fact my um employer wanted a female for my position
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] I do have trouble um I'm a physician assistant which is
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] somewhere between a nurse and a doctor
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and I um frequently see patients without the doctor seeing them
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it is a it's not uncommon that the um it's it's typically Hispanic males typically Hispanic males do not want me to be their medical you know provider their their medical care provider that day
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] they um they really have a problem with it and they'll and they will almost always ask me to see the doctor
[speaker002:] that is so strange
[speaker001:] well not not when you think of their culture though
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and their culture I I'm talking about the ones who came from Mexico not the ones that were reared in the states
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I'm talking primarily about um you know the the guys that are over here on work thesis
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know that sort of thing but their culture is still very much thought not a woman's thing and I'm a blonde and and and they are just like you know who is this girl why is she in here telling me anything
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah yeah yeah this little young girl yeah
[speaker001:] yeah so they um so that's that's that's the only place I've ever even had a problem
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] regarding my sex sometimes my size is one limitation because I assist in surgery too
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] sometimes I wish I were strong as a man but um or the average man anyway
[speaker002:] yeah well let me ask you this how have um did children do you feel like children set you back or kind of went off track a little while you know this is this is women's an issue I'm on a women's subcommittee women's initiative subcommittee and we were discussing this last week matter of fact
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] that certain women have taken career kind of jobs you know and and decided to go in and have one or two children and then got back on track and they didn't see that as a setback but
[speaker001:] I don't I don't I don't see how I can ever get back on track I don't see that as being a possibility I will I will never work
[speaker002:] uh-huh in other words if you wouldn't of had
[speaker001:] seventy hour weeks again
[speaker002:] oh yeah that's what they were saying before they had children they were working like crazy people
[speaker001:] I mean I don't I yeah seventy hour weeks every week I mean it was nothing I mean that was what I did every week and but I don't not only
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I mean I can't any longer my husband works a full time job outside the home too
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and not only I mean I I physically cannot do it because of day care et cetera
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I don't want to the desire is not there
[speaker002:] right yeah
[speaker001:] um and I am not someone I I I didn't I didn't think I had the desire to be a mother even
[speaker002:] uh-huh right
[speaker001:] and yet the childre n had transformed me and and and the mothering has transformed me to the point I don't if if something happened and I no longer had a job
[speaker002:] uh-huh I'd be okay
[speaker001:] I don't even think I would go interview again
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I I you know it's it's I mean I love what I do but I love my children so much more
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and there's there is a guilt that goes along with leaving them to in the hands of other people
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] that aren't you
[speaker002:] and a fear
[speaker001:] there's a fear there too I'm not really afraid of what might be happening happening to them
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] in an in an abuse issue but I'm afraid of what they're missing I'm afraid of what
[speaker002:] yeah yeah right
[speaker001:] of of what's not being uh you know uh discussed discussed with them or what or what opportunities are missed that I could fill in
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so that fear's there
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah I I hear that uh there's all men in my group I'm I'm one of two women the secretary is a woman and these men a lot of them have uh small children either just one or or two you know babies because we're all fairly young and and I hear the men saying that a lot you know and I think that is a culture change that you know their lives have changed since they had children
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know they don't want to work that sixty hours anymore they want to hurry up and get home you know I can't wait to get home so I can play with my son
[speaker001:] right see the kids
[speaker002:] so and they have the same concerns as not necessary an abuse guilt but you know thinking well you know if I I could spend more time then they could learn so much more you know
[speaker001:] just just learn about me I mean learn what I want them to be learn the things that are truly important to me because if you just tell them it doesn't count
[speaker002:] yeah yeah um-hum right
[speaker001:] it's what they see routinely that they remember
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] it's that they see routinely that you deal with the you know with the gardener in a in a nice manner
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh that they see routinely that you are um you know doing Bible study or prayer group or whatever you are
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] they need to see that instead of you just telling them well after you go to bed at night I uh you know stuff envelopes envelopes for the Crippled Children's Association you know that doesn't count they need to see what it is you spend your time and your energy doing
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah yeah
[speaker001:] in order to get part of you otherwise they grow up with parts of their child care or there care givers
[speaker002:] that's right their nannies and you know right day cares that's really interesting
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah yeah it's it's it's a tough thing I don't if you if you have children you know
[speaker002:] yeah I was going to say if uh when I get to that point I'm sure I'll know it I see it from day-to-day like I say the the men are experiencing this
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know a lot of them one of them just had a child within the last year and he has totally changed from this seventy hour work person to somebody that goes God I'm ready get out of here you know I need to go to day care
[speaker001:] it's incredible it's
[speaker002:] and he routinely calls the day care during the day you know like can I talk to my daughter you know and and uh
[speaker001:] it is the most life changing experience I have ever ever I mean I I had no idea I never even wanted children
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh then we were blessed with one in an expected fashion and I mean I just I I can't believe it I mean I I can't believe this is me
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] and neither can anybody else you know I mean but it's just phenomenal
[speaker002:] that'll
[speaker001:] it is absolutely phenomenal
[speaker002:] that'll me too and my family they'll go oh my God you've got children are you fixing to have a child they won't believe it they'll pass