[speaker001:] So what do you think?
[speaker002:] Uh, the causes of crime? [Throat clearing]. Um, I think it was imbalance of power in the United States. It's causing the lower class to rebel. That's why there's su-, such high crime, and, uh, there's crime in, uh, young people because they don't have ro-, role models
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] see too much crime on T V and they think it's the way to go. I don't know. What do you think?
[speaker001:] What about, I agree with the upper and lower level, you know
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] because that's the lowest thing for themselves, plus there's nobody for them to look up to.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But I also blame some of it on parents
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] because parents aren't parents.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Because I remember even when I was growing up, I'm thirty-five [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] I remember when I was growing up, and I had friends, they used to do stuff like, you know, go over to a store and steal stuff. My mother warned us, it's like, I don't care what your friends do. If you do it, then that was it.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And I knew that I would get in more trouble from my mother than from
[speaker002:] From anybody else.
[speaker001:] from anybody else. And I think
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] that's the basic, is they have no morals any more, so they don't care.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think I can agree with that too.
[speaker001:] But now, as far as what they can do about it, I don't know.
[speaker002:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker001:] You can't make parents be parents [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That's true. You got to kind of make people want to do the right thing.
[speaker001:] You know.
[speaker002:] I don't know how you do that.
[speaker001:] I guess if you gave the, gave them jobs, that's another problem with the United States, there's no jobs any more.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But.
[speaker002:] Well, I've heard this one theory, that if, that if a kid commits a crime, that, uh, instead of the, prosecuting the kid, they prosecute the parent. Or both of them.
[speaker001:] That would work to a point,
[speaker002:] Now, to put the blame on the parent.
[speaker001:] Well, that'd work to a point because some kids are just bad anyway. I don't care what you do to them.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You know, so I think it depends on how much trouble that kid has been in, you know.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Because a, a, a child can get into anything regar-,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I don't care how good you, they are.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Eventu-, at least one time, but now if this is a repeated thing, here with this child in juvenile, and or, to me, yeah, both of them.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Because that means she's still not doing what she's supposed to do. Because I just watched it on T V one night on one of them, um, Twenty Twenty, Forty-eight hours, one of them shows
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Yeah.
[speaker001:] where this boy had been stealing cars. I don't know
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] if you seen this. it was a little, it was a little gang of them
[speaker002:] No, I didn't see it.
[speaker001:] stealing cars, you know,
[speaker002:] I understand.
[speaker001:] And then when they caught him, you know, his mother sitting there, now they going to take me away from you. That meaned she was warned.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But see, by that, I think sometimes it's a little late.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You know, but I'm sure there's something can be done.
[speaker002:] Yeah. What about with adults? Anything do any about adult crime.
[speaker001:] Yeah, start prosecuting they but really good instead of having a revolving door on the damn court system.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Well, for one, a major problem with that is the jails are overcrowded.
[speaker001:] Well, they should start with, the, if they would get rid of. Seems to me, I know there's a lot about court that people don't understand. There's more people in jail right now for child support, okay
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] then there are for people doing drugs.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] You ought to take all them little misdemeanor people
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] let them go, let them go
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, give them a fine, whatever, make them do civic duty whatever,
[speaker002:] Yeah, I mean seriously,
[speaker001:] Put them fools in there,
[speaker002:] they ought to put those people to work.
[speaker001:] I call them all fools, idiots, whatever.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Little rock stars, put all them in there.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] You know, the murderers, the drug dealers, the user, put them all in jail
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, and let all the normal people go
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, because, okay, if you write a bad check, you go to jail, right.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Let them people go.
[speaker002:] Well.
[speaker001:] Not let them go and get out of it.
[speaker002:] Yeah, they, you still have to punish them.
[speaker001:] Let them go and pay their crime or their time doing something else
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you know, like cleaning up the city or however they do their
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's,
[speaker001:] community time, you know, whatever that is [LAUGHTER]. But pu-, don't put them in jail because they're not hardened criminals.
[speaker002:] Yeah, and they're, they're still, they can provide for society, whereas some of them are so far gone that they can't do anything good for society.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. So. I don't know, some people, boy, they got, I think the United States has got too many problems to be worrying about everybody else.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah, that's true.
[speaker001:] Now how they going to fix it, I don't know. I don't think there is a ready solution.
[speaker002:] No, I don't think so either. Uh.
[speaker001:] Because the economy is down, people, you know, the, the, the low man on the pole is getting more of the, I guess, the bulk of it.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And he's got to work extra hard just to make ends meet.
[speaker002:] And they keep taking more money from us
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and people are get, and they don't have any incentive to work if we're just going to take fifty percent of it.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Might as well steal, then they don't have to pay taxes on it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] That's it.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So, you know, they, I, I, I know that's bad, but, you know, just like Texas now.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] They could have had a lottery. They don't want a lottery. Why not? I would rather pay for a lottery
[speaker002:] They'd have a,
[speaker001:] a dollar, two, three dollars, whatever I'm paying, you know
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] a week or whatever, and never see any of that money, than to have them take a portion of my paycheck.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Because, [LAUGHTER] you know, they take, and Uncle Sam takes his, the Social Security which probably won't be here when I get that old
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] you know. Because we're paying for Social Security they using now.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Who's going to pay for mine?
[speaker002:] I don't know [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] But it's, it's
[speaker002:] I'm not counting on it.
[speaker001:] No, you don't count on Social Security.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But, it's, it's, that's what I'm saying, they need to do something else.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] But. Crime is going to go up as long as the economy stays down.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And it's going to get worse.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] That's just like last night they killed them people in that store. Where you at?
[speaker002:] I'm in Raleigh, North Carolina.
[speaker001:] Oh [LAUGHTER]. No wonder you don't know that.
[speaker002:] Well, where are you from?
[speaker001:] I'm in Dallas.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] But last night, [LAUGHTER] they killed, uh, uh, four people in a chain food.
[speaker002:] Oh, man.
[speaker001:] And killed them, well, it was two stores side by side.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] One was a store and one was like a, a fast food place, chicken or something, I don't know.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Anyway, they raped the women, beat them all up, including the women, I mean, they just beat them. Stuck them in the freezer and then shot them all.
[speaker002:] Ow.
[speaker001:] Why was, you know, why
[speaker002:] Why did they do in the freezer?
[speaker001:] you know, why didn't they just, if they was going to lock them, just lock them in the freezer, take the money, you know.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] They didn't have to kill them or rape them, or anything.
[speaker002:] Um. Um. That's awful. Yeah, we still get some in Raleigh. I mean, not
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] not too often real bad ones, [talking] but.
[speaker001:] It's just getting really ridiculous down here. I wish I could move somewhere where, this, you know, you got to like in the country.
[speaker002:] I don't think there's anywhere where there isn't going to be crimes.
[speaker001:] Well, I think, if it's, the town is smaller
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and everybody knows everybody
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] it's harder
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] to come in there and do something. Where is, and, and, and see that's another thing. Neighborhoods aren't neighborhoods any more.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] There's nobody is next door to you, you don't know your neighbors, and stuff like that.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] It's just, huh-uh, [LAUGHTER] you know, because I moved out some apartments before because they were loaded with drug dealers.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] And you didn't even, and what the manager, the manager won't even do anything.
[speaker002:] He's probably a drug dealer himself [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You never know.
[speaker001:] You don't. And so I moved, because I moved the day probably a week after one of the apartments blew up
[speaker002:] Wow.
[speaker001:] you know, and this is like across the street. This was a nice part of town
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] and there across the street one of the apartments blew up because they were having that, making that, um, crack stuff
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] and then, the other time I saw the cops break down somebody's apartment around the corner. I say, See, this is it.
[speaker002:] Time to go.
[speaker001:] That's it, and I moved.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And, you know, now I live in like a fam-, a neighborhood in a town house, but it's nice. I don't, you know.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I'm kind of in the same, same kind of deal, town house in a neighborhood.
[speaker001:] But,
[speaker002:] It's pretty nice.
[speaker001:] I don't know how they can live, a neighborhood or apartment complex. That's what happen, that's what wrong,
[speaker002:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker001:] you know. I don't think, don't rent to them [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Or rent to them and evict them because they drug dealers. Put it on the lease.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] If you deal drugs, you can't live here.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Most of them are too scared to do anything about it.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. That's it.
[speaker002:] Yeah. All right. Well listen, I got to go.
[speaker001:] All righty.
[speaker002:] Nice talking to you.
[speaker001:] And I thank you.
[speaker002:] All right.
[speaker001:] Bye-bye.
[speaker002:] Bye-bye.