[speaker002:] all right wasn't the Mayor of New York um arrested for cocaine abuse or was it somebody else
[speaker001:] no that was DC yeah it was Mayor of DC
[speaker002:] DC I couldn't figure out if well Koch is New York isn't he okay
[speaker001:] yes he is but it was uh Mayor Berry uh yeah but my I I guess my feeling on drug testing in the work place I am one hundred percent for it
[speaker002:] yeah Berry oh I am too yeah so we got nothing to disagree about
[speaker001:] you are um yeah I know and um it it I a lot of people you know have a problem with the random testing like why should I be tested and that person not tested but the point is is that nobody should
[speaker002:] they can't test everybody
[speaker001:] right and that you know it's it's it's illegal I mean maybe if drugs were legal then this would be all different but drugs are illegal and therefore it shouldn't be it it should be the law that we're able to test for something that is illegal
[speaker002:] right well right and most of your work places it can be dangerous if somebody's drugged using drugs
[speaker001:] that's for sure
[speaker002:] especially school I don't think there should be any kind of limits set on school officials being tested
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum I agree
[speaker002:] bus driver you know that commercial with the you know they show a woman doing cocaine or something and then you think it doesn't affect you and then you see her she's driving the school bus
[speaker001:] right yes oh I love that commercial I know that one's really powerful
[speaker002:] it pulls at you
[speaker001:] but you know it's true um not even the interaction with people like one on one but well I guess this relates to the school bus but people in warehouses that are driving forklifts you know that um
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] there there could be some serious accidents
[speaker002:] I know it just well and like at TI do you work at TI
[speaker001:] that's really that's a shame no I don't
[speaker002:] okay well at TI you're messing with all of those chemicals and stuff and if you mix the wrong chemicals or whatever it can put out toxic fumes
[speaker001:] yeah what is the policy at TI do you have to be drug tested or
[speaker002:] well um I worked there for a while Manpower employee and I was tested before I even started
[speaker001:] oh that's where I work I work at Manpower yeah
[speaker002:] you do yeah where are you working at then
[speaker001:] well I I work for Manpower I mean I'm a surv I supervise the office yeah huh so you were a a temporary working at TI oh neat
[speaker002:] oh okay uh uh-huh and I well I quit when I found out I was pregnant I was just really scared of messing with the chemicals
[speaker001:] oh yeah I don't blame you
[speaker002:] and uh TI is strict on their chemicals but they don't really um I don't know I just wasn't didn't feel safe messing around it
[speaker001:] um-hum but you had to be drug tested before you could work the
[speaker002:] oh yeah before yeah Manpower did it so
[speaker001:] um-hum that's interesting um here you know Kodak is the the big name in Rochester Kodak
[speaker002:] what is that what is that oh the film the company I'm sorry
[speaker001:] what is Kodak Kodak yeah the film right no it's okay but um I mean in Rochester everything is Kodak but you know but half the population here works for Kodak and um usually they set the trends and originally um it was only the people that were working in the industrial type of facilities facilities that needed to be drug tested because they felt that if they were using drugs they would be the most dangerous versus office type workers who probably
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I don't know you know what they they never saw what sort of um you know problem they could have if they were using drugs I guess I don't know but um just in nineteen I guess it was nineteen eighty nine they started testing everybody so now anybody whether you want to go in and work in the cafeteria or be
[speaker002:] can they spot test you
[speaker001:] yes they can but they can't do it more than once a year I think you you can't be tested more than once a year
[speaker002:] okay hum
[speaker001:] would they spot test at TI
[speaker002:] yeah they'll do it anytime I'm I'm not sure what limits they set on it but I know that you had like eight hours to go in and do it between the time you were told and the time you had to go be tested
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum oh well um-hum that's good well um the thing you know you brought up about Mayor Berry I uh you've probably seen the clip on the news the one where he's um
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] going into that room and and making the deal with somebody did you see that well the you know he got
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] he got acquitted or whatever the term is but the yeah that he was um the charges were removed that to me is so
[speaker002:] acquitted it's political
[speaker001:] oh I know and it's so absurd because now kids are going to see that and say oh look he got off the hook I'll get off the hook too you know
[speaker002:] yeah well in that uh book that Kitty Kitty whatever wrote saying that President Reagan can you see the President being tested no he wouldn't be tested
[speaker001:] yeah right oh I know yeah that's true
[speaker002:] which I don't know how true that is but I thought that was kind of funny yeah but
[speaker001:] really well I think everybody should I think it should become just a a standard law
[speaker002:] but well even office workers I mean you could play with computers and lose what all kinds of information if you're just not careful I'm not even uh
[speaker001:] sure yeah that's true
[speaker002:] all that great with computers but I know just one mistake you can lose the whole record or I can't even remember the word program yeah
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum program yeah but um I think that your point about schools is um probably the first place to start because they're the ones that are influencing the new generation you know that are going to become the people working in those companies
[speaker002:] yeah well when I first started looking for work there wasn't any drug testing and I'm twenty six now and it seems like they've always every every job you go for you have to be tested
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] so I think I think that's good see I've never used drugs personally so
[speaker001:] um-hum no me either
[speaker002:] and I don't really want to be under the influence of somebody that is especially I could see a supervisor going nuts because well they do go freak out over anything you know
[speaker001:] right oh I know it's crazy it makes me so upset to hear about all these movie stars and you know TV stars that have gone through some sort of rehabilitation and because um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I guess those those those people are so glorified you know they're the the the sitcoms on TV that's like perfection and then to find out that um uh Michael J Fox you know went through three years of using cocaine you
[speaker002:] right he did I didn't know that
[speaker001:] yeah he did I just read an article about that um it it just shatters my whole feeling about him and and then I just think about the kids that glorify him or the you know just idealize him or whoever
[speaker002:] right well most of the kids growing up in entertainment business do have troubles because they're in on the fast lane or whatever yeah
[speaker001:] yeah and they have the money you know they don't have to worry about where they're going to get the money to pay for it yeah
[speaker002:] where they're going to get the money to do it right but even if you don't have the money people that really want drugs will finds the money somehow
[speaker001:] unfortunately yeah
[speaker002:] while I was in college uh college I did a a paper on that just how many people most of the people criminals has got drug problems you know it's just one of the major
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] reasons they're out to break into peoples houses and whatever yeah
[speaker001:] um-hum right exactly exactly it takes over I even um I forget if it was 60 Minutes or something where people in jail are even getting drugs
[speaker002:] oh yeah but that's always been going on
[speaker001:] I I know and isn't that insane I mean how does that happen it just doesn't make since to me
[speaker002:] well from watching TV they'll put it in the the women'll put it in their bras or in their mouth and kiss the men or whatever if they can get a touch visit or whatever it's called it's wild
[speaker001:] uh God it really is crazy
[speaker002:] I wonder if they get drug tested in uh uh prison
[speaker001:] I don't know
[speaker002:] now I know in the army my husband was in the army for awhile well he's in it for seven years they had urine tests all the time
[speaker001:] um-hum oh really
[speaker002:] yeah and but they get people to do it for them yeah
[speaker001:] what do you mean they get people
[speaker002:] all right say just per se my husband's friend that you know knew that a pee test was coming up he would ask my husband to do it for him I mean not that my husband did it but oh yeah
[speaker001:] oh my God yeah are you serious and and it would actually work like they could get away with it
[speaker002:] well yeah because well because most of the time it was one of your contemporaries heading it up because my husband was like he was an E5 which is uh acting sergeant and he would uh
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] no I'm not saying my husband did it but he's told me it's went on but his buddy would be coming through the line hey Ken I can't do this can you do it for me
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you know and like I said it's all of his contemporaries and his friend's there so he just you know he was in command or whatever so you know that happens that happens a I'm sure that happens a lot
[speaker001:] right oh gosh that is really scary it's really scary to think that uh some of these guys that were over
[speaker002:] yeah it's not a lot of them because not all of them have the nerve to do it so
[speaker001:] right that's true but it could just take one that that's in charge of a gun a cannon or a gun or something you know
[speaker002:] yeah well yeah now most of the time if they're fire well no they can do fire on practice ranges but there's usually lots of room for it too but if you get caught you get busted out of the army and they can send you to Leavenworth so
[speaker001:] right they can where
[speaker002:] you know not many people Leavenworth isn't it Leavenworth that the
[speaker001:] that is that a prison oh
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah it's I think it's a government prison for um like treason and or
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum I see wow
[speaker002:] the base my sister was on had a prison of their own which they they they're pretty strict in the Army I mean you get caught doing much of anything you get busted so a lot of people won't do it
[speaker001:] yeah well they need to be pretty