[speaker001:] uh do you have any brilliant inedeas about how to reduce crime
[speaker002:] no I really don't they need to do more with uh you know the police forces they need to make sure you have more people out on the street I think you know to try to keep track of what's going on and be harder on criminals when they go to court you know make sure they go to jail and they serve all their term
[speaker001:] it seems
[speaker002:] but other than that I don't really know what about you
[speaker001:] well it it seems like such a catch twenty two you know my first inclination is to say stop being so lenient when people do something rotten you keep them in jail and you make them know that your serious you're very serious uh but then again uh
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] the taxing situation you know how can we pay to keep all these people in jail that's when you say well don't raise my taxes you know maybe we shouldn't lock up the guy who has too many traffic tickets yeah maybe we shouldn't do this and you know and then you stop start eroding it
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know I substitute teach I deal with high school kids and
[speaker002:] right oh you do
[speaker001:] and I I find that attitudes at home are such I mean the kids will curse right in front of my face and they won't even go oops you know they they just have no regard and I'm not saying they're gonna turn into criminals but I think it's a general trend toward people just relaxing their standards so much and I think that's why we have more crime because parents and schools are not stopping this when the kids are young
[speaker002:] that's true um-hum oh
[speaker001:] and they just keep pushing
[speaker002:] I believe I believe that's true I think you have to do more the teachers as well education but before they get to the high school of course because by then they're pretty much set I think
[speaker001:] yeah well you know
[speaker002:] you start way back when
[speaker001:] yeah generally you know a kid'll do something that's outrageous and they'll say well what are you going to do to me and it's almost like the criminal system there's not much I can do to them I can't really do anything to them one fellow said I said how about you do your work and he said well how about I throw these scissors at you and instead of getting uh flustered I said well I wish you would because then I can really punish you I can send you to detention et cetera if you just bad mouth me and generally giving me a hard time there's really nothing I can do
[speaker002:] um-hum right
[speaker001:] and and I think you know minor criminals feel the same way like what are they gonna do
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and and I think that's the the biggest thing that unless people know that you're serious and you're not gonna tolerate that kind of behavior in anybody I this is just gonna keep going
[speaker002:] um-hum well I think that's like the problem with you know drunk drivers that people don't they're not cracking down they let them back out on the street they don't really take away their license they don't really make sure they can't drive anymore so people don't think it's any big deal and they just go out and do it again nothing's gonna happen to them
[speaker001:] well we had a yeah we had a big incident at the local high school a teacher who happened to be a parent and four girls were um in a horrible head on accident a drunk driver hit them um the people who were in the car who got hit two of them died and two of them seriously injured this guy you know crossed a divider he had been arrested twice for drunk driving driving um they didn't lock him up they took his license away but they didn't take away his car key
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know there he was you know it's like you know in the old Arab countries you know you steal they take your hand away I mean this guy can still drive as long as he can get into a car he's driving
[speaker002:] right um-hum so it doesn't do any good people just do it again same thing with when you have like sexual offenders and you don't make sure they have
[speaker001:] you know he's just yeah and I
[speaker002:] adequate counseling then they just go out and do it again because you haven't really fixed their problem at all
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] so and that's probably the problem too because do you bother counseling these people or you make them go to jail will it really do any good to counsel them or is it just gonna waste taxpayers' money
[speaker001:] well you know I think counseling is kind of like dieting until you decide you really want it to work you know
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] it it's not gonna work anyway you have to cooperate with that kind of stuff I I it's a real scary problem I don't know what the answers are
[speaker002:] yeah and the problem is yeah I guess that's why we have the problem nobody seems to know what to do about it but yeah that's true yeah
[speaker001:] you know and then they bring up the thing about um whether we should have death penalties uh I guess you know the the top of the the bad guy ladder maybe you know some of those people would be affected but there's lots of crime going on besides murder where
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know it's still out of hand
[speaker002:] I'm just afraid that if you put back in the death penalty every place that people be um the juries won't want to convict a person because what happens if they are they're really innocent because once and you kill them they're gone you can't like fix the problem so there'll be that much you know there'd be really really worried about sending them to jail when they really should be in jail they'll be like well I don't know and the people who don't wanna put them you know to death who think that's wrong won't convict them either even if they really believe they're guilty because they're really just problem on their part things like that
[speaker001:] my husband makes a joke about well an armed society is a polite society if if good guys had guns as well as bad guys then you know maybe that wouldn't be but I said nah you still have survival of the fittest because you know then the bad guys would become better at using the guns you know
[speaker002:] right right and if nobody had guns they would just use some other