[speaker001:] so David uh what are the capital punishment laws down in the state of Florida
[speaker002:] they have the electric chair I believe remember Ted Bundy
[speaker001:] oh that's right
[speaker002:] couple years ago they were all down there saying fry him
[speaker001:] oh so the laws are still intact then
[speaker002:] oh yeah they yeah they use that all the time well not all the time is you know it it it's always backlogged it usually takes a guy usually a guy sits on death row for three or four years at least before they put him you know in the actual actual electric chair
[speaker001:] um-hum and I imagine that costs a small bundle too
[speaker002:] yeah he always gets all these appeals and everything
[speaker001:] go through the court process
[speaker002:] he gets all these appeals and everything uh as far as it being a deterrent to people I don't think it's a deterrent a deterrent uh I think it's I think it's more for the families more than anything the families probably get some justification out of it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but uh as far as it deterring anybody from committing murder or something like that I don't think it really does
[speaker001:] no but I think it does serve a valuable purpose in the sense that the victims get some sort of satisfaction the community doesn't pay for the burden of having a
[speaker002:] the victims can
[speaker001:] a prisoner in jail for twenty years
[speaker002:] that's right that's right
[speaker001:] you know and having to supply them with a color TV and um books and education so forth
[speaker002:] right I mean what is it how much is it a year to keep a prisoner it's like twenty thousand a year to food and clothe a prisoner some ridiculous price
[speaker001:] and I imagine it probably costs a great deal amount of money to to even go through the process of trying to electrocute someone
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] to the court proceum I mean it tying up attorney's time uh times the court system
[speaker002:] yeah I don't know how many appeals Ted Bundy had uh they just keep appealing it and appealing it to the next higher next higher you know just keeps they keep going higher and higher up and uh you know it does take a long time it takes money of course to do that so and it's a public defender most of the time so
[speaker001:] um-hum well how do you feel about that do you are you in favor of capital punishment as a
[speaker002:] yeah yes I am I am in favor of it but as far as it being an actual deterrent to crime I don't think it is like I said it's mostly for the families benefit I think or the victims
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh the you know the family of the victims do you guys have it up there where where'd you say you were from
[speaker001:] yeah I'm from New Hampshire
[speaker002:] okay New Hampshire they have it up there
[speaker001:] yeah as far as I remember we don't have it um I know there hasn't been anyone executed up here probably in about thirty forty years which is ironic because we come from very conservative state uh very strong on on punishment and crime um it uh during one thing we don't really have that that much crime up here when we do have a celebrated case like Pamela Smart I don't know if you heard about that
[speaker002:] that's the schoolteacher one
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] I saw the movie about that
[speaker001:] yeah that's a case where um she's probably guilty I don't think there's enough evidence there to convict her I mean to uh execute her
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I think if because once you execute someone the the the decision the decision is final you can't really reverse the process um
[speaker002:] well that is the bad thing about it and I'm I'm sure that back in the old days they they put to death a couple innocent ones during the process but they're but they're uh opinion was well if you got few few innocent people have to die to protect the majority then that's okay you know I don't I don't necessarily agree with that
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I don't agree with that either I think if you kill someone who's innocent that's uh
[speaker002:] it screwed up the whole thing in my opinion yeah I agree with you there
[speaker001:] somebody you can't even live with if they you you really need to you know case where John Hinkley tried to assassinate the President uh
[speaker002:] that's pretty obvious that's open and shut isn't it
[speaker001:] right and if he had succeeded uh uh without a doubt he should be executed executed
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] uh whether he's insane or not
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] same thing with Dahlmer I mean he killed seventeen people
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] uh it's it's a shame that we're gonna have to pay for him
[speaker002:] now in his case now is that that's Minnesota right
[speaker001:] what's that
[speaker002:] is that Minnesota
[speaker001:] I think uh Michigan or somewhere somewhere around there
[speaker002:] or Wisconsin or ah maybe it's Wisconsin yeah they they might have capital punishment the thing with people like that they like to take and study them put them in jail and do studies on them like that so that's they can try to get a profile of his personality I think you know and I guess in states where they don't have capital punishment that's the kind of stuff they do but I think in his case they will put him to death because all the all the kids you know all the families and stuff aren't going to tolerate it
[speaker001:] yeah but I thought he he received his sentence um remember maybe what the what the final turnout was
[speaker002:] what is the final uh is he still going to trial for that
[speaker001:] I thought he went to rehabilitation rehabilitation mean they they were going to put him in rehabilitation for a few years then prison for the rest of his life
[speaker002:] that's right because he's definitely insane I think they proved that he was insane and maybe that's maybe that was uh what got him off or made him uh not get the death penalty because they can prove that he's insane then I I don't think you get the death penalty but the the but the uh prosecution was trying to uh say that he was sane when he committed them so they could but they they were going for the death penalty I think that's what they were trying to uh I mean the they knew he did it that he was guilty it was just a matter of was he going to get the death penalty or life in prison
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] yeah I think the families wanted him to get death
[speaker001:] yeah I think that's a a case where there really needs to be some change in the laws to allow for flexibility I think if one person kills another person out of