[speaker002:] I think you got it
[speaker001:] okay uh my first thoughts on capital punishment is I the first thing I want to say is is no just simply because we as human beings don't have the right to take another human being's life
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh we are punishing someone for taking someone's life or in some cases we are punishing someone someone a person for taking someone's life and so in effect we're committing that same crime
[speaker002:] well it sounds like you have really strong views on it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I can see that point but I also have this you know I I question I guess I can look at it both ways and just to play devil's advocate
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] it never seems right to me that uh we take in people that are criminals and people that are you know
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] low income or even middle income that are struggling to provide for their families
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] our taxes are paying to feed and shelter those people and it just
[speaker001:] exactly
[speaker002:] that that I find very difficult to swallow sometimes
[speaker001:] uh-huh one thing I don't understand is the the whole concept of death row
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] okay these people are supposedly I guess waiting to die right okay and there are thousands upon thousands of people on death row and I'm not saying that
[speaker002:] I agree with you there um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] well I guess I am kind of saying what what are we doing I mean I guess that's the same thing you were saying what what are we doing with these people
[speaker002:] it
[speaker001:] they're they're there we should either take some kind of action
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] or take enough or or go a different route but they're just
[speaker002:] exactly and then when you think of the thousands and thousands of dollars that get burned in court costs
[speaker001:] oh exactly
[speaker002:] you know we could be paying feeding poor people and helping you know
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] helping the environment I mean prison is such a waste of a human being it doesn't do anyone any good yes people need to be punished and I do agree with your statement
[speaker001:] um-hum exactly um-hum
[speaker002:] that to take a human life is wrong
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] um but you know locking someone up and not getting
[speaker001:] but
[speaker002:] you know any benefit from that for the person or for society to me is wrong too
[speaker001:] and I guess I see both sides in that at the at the same time that I'm saying that you know we're committing the same crime
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I also agree that I mean if there's somebody out there that's crazy and cruel enough
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] to kill somebody or in some cases kill several people at one time uh there was a case in Dallas well I'm sure they haven't gone to court yet but
[speaker002:] oh exactly well
[speaker001:] uh apparently two teenage boys held up a Taco Bell they put four people in a freezer and shot them all now to me that is inhumane and for two people to be out in the world like that I don't I don't want them in my world
[speaker002:] that's right that's right
[speaker001:] you understand what I'm saying I I'm I mean I'm not for killing anyone
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but I don't want these people around at the same time
[speaker002:] we want a safe environment for ourselves and we want to remove them
[speaker001:] exactly
[speaker002:] but but I think that the whole crux of the problem is no one has come up with a solution
[speaker001:] um-hum right
[speaker002:] that is acceptable that does you know
[speaker001:] and
[speaker002:] basically you know I I think you know that the whole idea of uh a a death penalty was invented for two reasons it removes removes them from society
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and number two it's it's kind of uh it's the punishment it's the ultimate punishment
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] because you know they've harmed someone and and you know you want to appease the people that have suffered
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] but it it really doesn't take their pain away
[speaker001:] um-hum and at and at the same time like you said it drains society
[speaker002:] um-hum but it's a
[speaker001:] we I think we should be we the same money that we're using to build more prisons and make more prison space and put keep these people in prison that same money or half of that money could be used towards uh rehabilitation programs of some sort something to get to to put these people back in society but prepare them first
[speaker002:] exactly exactly but that the pob the problem is so incredibly complex I have a friend who works on the pardon and patr parole paroles and she interviews
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] inmates all the time that are coming up for parole and she says it is just really frightening
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] how easy it is to you know have the prisons release people because they're overcrowded
[speaker001:] exactly
[speaker002:] and these people have not benefited from the stay there she says just their emotional state and their way of thinking is so incredibly wrong
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and there's not anything she can do to keep them in you know if they meet certain guidelines
[speaker001:] um-hum right
[speaker002:] you know and those guidelines keep getting lessened and lessened because they have to do it to make the system work
[speaker001:] um-hum and you you want people out of prison you want people to get jobs and and live happy lives
[speaker002:] so it's um-hum
[speaker001:] but they can't just walk out of prison and do that they can't just walk out of prison and say okay I'm going to go a different route
[speaker002:] that's right that's right
[speaker001:] there has to be some sort of buffer in there some sort of program or and I know this costs money but it couldn't cost anymore money than we're already spending
[speaker002:] um-hum I know I know I I would like to see the money that's been budgeted budgeted for new prisons being put into the research of of an alternate solutions to the problem
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] how are we going to fix that Tanya how are we going to make that happen
[speaker001:] really how what can we do
[speaker002:] what power do we have
[speaker001:] oh goodness I mean you know everyone's trying to make it
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] you know in their own little world you know I'm trying to make it with my job and make you know myself okay and make my family okay
[speaker002:] um-hum that's right
[speaker001:] and it's so hard to you know try and be one of the movers and shakers I guess you would call them
[speaker002:] hum oh I know I know
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but it it it sounds like you are uh you know interested in what's going on around you and
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] and uh you know when you have a a voice you do contribute and I guess that's you know what what we're meant to do and maybe an opportunity will come by that
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] we will have a chance to make a real change
[speaker001:] and I I'm a broadcast journalist and so I feel like one day I probably will write a book or or something you know and some of these views will be able to come out I work at channel six
[speaker002:] oh where where do you work oh you do
[speaker001:] here I'm a I'm a news reporter
[speaker002:] that's great
[speaker001:] and so I I guess I'm I'm pretty emotional about crime things like that now I've only been in it for a year but I get to see pretty much uh close up
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know a lot of things that happen that people don't see uh I got to see get to see a lot of crimes and I get to see you know people's
[speaker002:] exactly
[speaker001:] uh pain and things and so when we talk about
[speaker002:] right most of us are so sheltered you know
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and a few people in the news that bring it to us and make us see what's out there
[speaker001:] exactly um-hum
[speaker002:] well that you're you're really performing a a benefit to society in doing that
[speaker001:] um-hum a service yeah but still you know we can't shut we can't I don't I I guess I would like to probably editorialize more we have to just report what's happening we can't say well this is what I think about you know the situation sometimes
[speaker002:] um uh-huh
[speaker001:] you really want to say that you really want to say what you think or what you think should be done or how you think this court case should have gone or you know that's a
[speaker002:] I I'm just I'm just agreeing with you when I think of it how difficult it must be to just to give the facts because usually on an issue that you really care about uh you want you want to you know persuade people to your viewpoint
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and you're right that has got to be a challenge sometimes
[speaker001:] especially when you are dealing with a a subject like uh capital punishment or something or abortion
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] or something where there's an an no or yes side and you have your side and you have to report both sides
[speaker002:] um-hum right
[speaker001:] but you really don't want to because you have your side
[speaker002:] and you have to walk right down the middle with it
[speaker001:] yeah yeah so sometimes that's hard but
[speaker002:] yeah I'm sure
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] well that's that sounds interesting and I'll read your book some day
[speaker001:] um-hum okay good all right well it was nice talking to you
[speaker002:] I enjoyed it thanks for calling bye-bye
[speaker001:] okay okay bye-bye