[speaker001:] all right so I guess we're all right um I don't know what the laws are up in uh New York what's the law up in New York for capital punishment
[speaker002:] like it yeah well Governor Mario the uh holy one up here Mario Cuomo has been against capital punishment since he hit office here I'd say six years ago he's
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] he's for the concept of um uh life in prison without parole and every single year up in here in New York state the uh government the state assembly gets together and tries to pass a death penalty bill and every year he vetos it and upsets people
[speaker001:] gets sort of repetitious
[speaker002:] yeah he upsets people up here um every time he does it I don't what it is down in Florida these days
[speaker001:] it's legal down here um I I know they've done a few most of the time they'll get real close and then they'll pardon him or it hardly ever gets to that point uh I don't think they've done one in a long time but I know it's legal and I know one just about happened recently but it never went through so they try but you know very few actually go
[speaker002:] yeah Mario up here is claiming that um the reason why he's against capital punishment is because to send these things through the court system
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] on appeal then another appeal then another appeal ends up costing the taxpayers more than just putting the guy away for the rest of his life with no chance of parole so you know if it if it comes down to a money issue
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I you know in that case then I'm all for putting them behind bars as long as there's no chance of parole but you know what it's like when they
[speaker001:] yeah there's always those loopholes
[speaker002:] yeah they fill the court there the jails up and suddenly let them go and they're back on the street we had this murder up here um Art Shawcross up in Rochester killed nineteen prostitutes up here
[speaker001:] ooh
[speaker002:] and he was let out on parole from up in uh um Watertown and
[speaker001:] was that was that on purpose or was that a a snafu
[speaker002:] uh he was just well actually he it was on purpose I guess
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] he was uh he was a real psycho though and uh as a matter of fact it this happened under Cuomo's watch so the Bush administration was thinking if Cuomo is going to run for President they were gonna do instead of
[speaker001:] yeah that was his dirt huh
[speaker002:] yeah instead of Willie Horton now we have the Art Shawcross deal you know so so yeah I don't know what your feelings are about it being in Florida where you've had it before
[speaker001:] yeah um well I can I can vouch for the fact that the uh the appeals will go through and go through and go through and yeah it drags on for about forever you know I guess I'm about your your opinion of it I have nothing against it philosophically in terms of if you're absolutely sure I mean uh uh I I would feel that you better make sure it's one of those cases that has virtually no possibility of no you know you you pretty I mean supposedly you get through the courts you're not supposed to have any reasonable doubts anyway but I guess it would have to be one of those extremes in the first place but there's enough of them but I I've also heard that that these things cost so much in the end that uh that it really doesn't save you any money if it's a money thing and as a deterrent thing I don't really think uh personally I don't feel that capital punishment punishment as a deterrent is a is a big deal I don't think that really works that much
[speaker002:] yeah well of course you know we have New York City up here I'm in being in Rochester we're kind of
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] they consider us more in Canada than in New York State area but uh up here you know we have we don't have too many serious problems with crime but I know in New York City it was a real it's a big deal they would like to have it back
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh I think it's gonna boil down to changing the governor if they really wanna put it through
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh they're building more prisons up here to try and put people in Attica is not too far away from where we are and that's at capacity and of course you know New York City is just packed with criminals that have done everything
[speaker001:] right it's
[speaker002:] so I you know I don't where it's going to go to in the end I just think that um I I I agree with you I'm not really that terribly against it as long as it looks like it's going to work and reduce the court load and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] the like
[speaker001:] oh down here it's not all peaceful either though I don't if you've been following any of this stuff course we had the big snafu right now with the the Mets thing but there have been a lot of uh a lot of things going on down here all the Gainesville murders
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I we heard that yeah
[speaker001:] course I don't think they've they that then actually down here there's been more more publicity going on on police police screw ups and and uh beatings and everything than than actual murders and uh the Gainesville with the Gainesville picking up people seemingly