[speaker001:] hi
[speaker002:] I'm Bridget
[speaker001:] I'm Paul nice to meet you
[speaker002:] pleased to meet you
[speaker001:] where are you
[speaker002:] I'm in Texas
[speaker001:] are you so am I where are you in Texas
[speaker002:] Dallas
[speaker001:] okay I'm in Lubbock
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] okay are you ready for me to push one
[speaker002:] sure anytime
[speaker001:] okay  so what do you think about capital punishment
[speaker002:] well I think it's a necessary uh a necessary tool that uh needs to be used uh to establish justice in some cases and to that that it if used properly
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh I think it can be uh it would it would be a useful deterrent
[speaker001:] um-hum what do you think about Jeffrey Dahmer like not getting since they don't have it in
[speaker002:] yeah well I think that I think there are certain people in society that have no redeeming
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh worth to them and that it's it it's a waste for society to continue to support those people those people should be you know disposed of
[speaker001:] yeah I know because it's like it's kind of like a tough call because all they do is sit in jail and the jails are overcrowded you know it's like problem upon problem upon problem
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] it's like you could put them in jail for the rest of his life well all the jails are already overcrowded you know and they add more problems you know since jails are overcrowded they have to reduce you know time to like one third of what you're supposed to do it you know it gets kind of ridiculous
[speaker002:] yeah that's right I mean they probably you know we the you know our our justice system is not designed to be either efficient or effective or just you know it it's designed
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] as a set of artificial rules that you know judges and lawyers play with each other
[speaker001:] um-hum I know I I guess I could be for it and against it in some ways I mean I think I'm definitely for it and stuff when I think of someone like like him that killed all those people and has no remorse or anything you know I feel like that's the right thing to do and I guess I would have to say it would be for more circumstances you know
[speaker002:] well it it it uh yeah but it you know the the problem is it when when we administer it by you know I I mean like like in Texas we have the death penalty right and they killed a guy a while back and you know he'd been in jail for twelve or fifteen years or something like that waiting
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] uh you know waiting waiting waiting waiting his sentence
[speaker001:] yeah see I think that what is the point of that
[speaker002:] what what there there's no point in it I mean
[speaker001:] where did that come from
[speaker002:] well it it's because it's because you know people don't wanna recognize how to make you know how to how to make a punishment effective
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I mean it punishing the person by killing them doesn't do anybody any good
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] the only reason the only way it does some good is if it convinces convinces somebody else that they shouldn't do something like that
[speaker001:] yeah that's true definitely true
[speaker002:] and you know if the guy waits around ten or twenty years or whatever it is you know how is that a deterrent to anybody
[speaker001:] see why do you have any clue why that they sit on like death row that long
[speaker002:] because the courts require it I mean they they they have said that well everybody has to have certain you know has to have the the the right to appeal well
[speaker001:] see yeah I understand that
[speaker002:] but not only do they have the right to appeal they must appeal and you know they the the lawyers go in there and they generate
[speaker001:] it takes prolong it forever
[speaker002:] well they generate all kinds of possible reasons that they might be able to appeal uh you know they they're they're trying to generate
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] technicalities you know things which aren't really related to whether the guy did it or not but as to whether something in the process was right or wrong
[speaker001:] yeah  yeah the the yeah see
[speaker002:] and you know it it it doesn't work you know our whole justice system doesn't work like that
[speaker001:] yeah it'd be easier if at least if someone was you know sentenced to death then if they were to have to have an appeal it should be taken care of as quickly as possible you know
[speaker002:] yes that's right
[speaker001:] and I understand appeals take a long time and everything else but you know I mean they should have like God there's something so it'd be done faster you know because then they complain about the jails and the this and that and this and that and people sitting on death row for like fifteen years well that's dumb
[speaker002:] yes um-hum it is it's terrible
[speaker001:] mean mean at least if you're going to do it do it like because I mean that's like even torture kind of you know
[speaker002:] oh I again I I don't feel sorry for the for the for the victim that that's on you know for the for the criminal
[speaker001:] yeah