[speaker001:] yeah do you have a particular opinion on it
[speaker002:] I'm a little uh I'm a not I I think that that I do I I'm not sure that uh that I think it should be like a normal practice all the time I think there are certain circumstances where it's important but it it kind of touches on on on privacy and so you know I I have kind of a a feeling that that it's a little invasive but then again on the other hand you have to stop and realize that um a lot of people are are uh are are trapped in that in that addiction thing you know and it's bad for them but that's not necessarily gonna mean that they're gonna get the help they need and and get cured or anything you know and some jobs uh uh require you to be straight and with it to do a good job and protect yourself and and things like that too you know so how you think how you feel
[speaker001:] well well I'm kind of ambivalent also you like you say it it does affect your privacy um I guess I how I could cope with it I do think in some cases it does make sense and how I could cope with it was um if when you accepted a job they told you up front this is part of it you know then it's like porn movie you have the choice you know nobody sticks it in your face you've got the choice if you don't wanna deal with it don't take the job
[speaker002:] right  there you go that's right
[speaker001:] um there are certain jobs in which I'd be more likely to feel comfortable about it and and those are the jobs in which a person's performance could affect your life
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] certainly uh someone who carries a gun
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] um there's been a lot of publicity um in New York on Long Island where um there's been school bus drivers who have driven erratically and caused accidents and killed kids because they were
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] uh on drugs and things
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and where your actions could affect somebody's life I'd be much more accepting of drug testing but under no circumstances would I think that you could just go take a job and they could say hey guess what you know we're gonna do this
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I I think it has to be up front and then you've got the choice of not doing it
[speaker002:] yeah well well the problem there is that you know a lot of people that have worked for the same company for so long um that company decides well if we're going to hire new people you know well we're going to have to start checking it because we've had a problem in the past well their problem in the past is with past employees and so the new people are saying well if you know I I am sure this could happen you know if you're gonna if you're gonna um test us you should be testing the old people too and so they get into a to a discrimination problem probably or something like that
[speaker001:] well yeah I imagine it would be just this is new company policy and we're doing it to everybody
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] in which case hey you know you don't like it you can go look for another job but of course that's not so easy you know um
[speaker002:] see there's one of the big problems people are are in that situation they need that job
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] um and uh then they have the choice of either take the test or don't get the or or don't take the job and if they know they're going to fail the test you know they're kind of in a in a between a rock and a hard place there so it's uh kind of like
[speaker001:] I took a I'm I'm a licensed art teacher and I substitute which is why I'm home today I'm not working I'm not working
[speaker002:] oh really lucky you
[speaker001:] well you know I'm home a little too often I think they're they're not calling substitutes that often but at any rate um I had taken a state test to be of all things a court officer
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh my mom had worked for the state and she thought this was a brilliant idea so I just went along with it I thought it'd be neat you know like a James Bond woman with a gun and all this and part of the um you know you take this test I did very well and they called me in for a physical and part of it was a test for drugs nobody asked me you know they didn't mention what they were doing but it was perfectly obvious and I you know all government people and all army people are just tested
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and there was one fellow who just kept horsing around he he seemed almost you know a little crazy but he wouldn't you know give a urine sample and it was pretty obvious why you know he's just like oh I can't do it I can't do it you know and this went on for hours I was wondering why he didn't just leave you know if you're not going to do it just leave
[speaker002:] he was gonna fail right because you're not gonna get the job if you don't
[speaker001:] it was it was almost comical um in my case they didn't follow me in the bathroom but apparently they were following you know the more suspicious types into the bathroom
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know because apparently people I I read somewhere that you can replace your urine with ginger with warm Sprite or something Mountain Dew and it tests you know that it tests like urine and you know it tests okay obviously
[speaker002:] huh  I don't know I've heard people using somebody elses
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah you know I mean I guess if there I guess there is something to be worried about if there's a whole science of knowing how to deal with the test
[speaker002:] you you know smuggle it in
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] making a whole new element of society out there
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I don't know you know um like I don't uh I don't use drugs you know but um I know people who do I don't think