[speaker001:] Up, up there, maybe, maybe you guys don't have as, uh, big a problem with air pollution as many, do you?
[speaker002:] We, we, we have a terrible air pollution problem.
[speaker001:] Do you really?
[speaker002:] Our summers are extremely, uh, hazardous
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and during, uh, certain wind directions because we get the, uh, Gary, Indiana
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Chicago pollution
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and we can look out on the lake and just see the brown haze, uh
[speaker001:] That's horrible.
[speaker002:] coming up along the lake.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And they do post, uh, uh, warnings for people who have, uh, heart diseases or respiratory problems
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] during that summer season. In the winter it's not as severe.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] But, uh, if the wind comes basically from the south it can be really bad.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, the State of Wisconsin, as a matter of fact, uh, started some litigation against Illinois because of the air pollution we were getting.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, I don't think it's going to go very far, but it, it was, uh, a way of, uh, triggering, uh, awareness.
[speaker001:] Right, right.
[speaker002:] So what's the conditions like in Dallas?
[speaker001:] Well, uh, in Dallas, I, I haven't seen air pollution quite on a, quite on a level that we had in Denver. I grew up in Denver, and, and I've lived there most of my life, and we used to have those, uh, you know, the posted warning days. Uh, however, in Colorado now, they have the emissions control law, which has really cut down, probably only once every couple of years do we ever have pollution so bad that they have to po-, post warnings now, you know, as far as health concerns.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] Uh, due to that emi-, the, the emissions, uh, [throat clearing] uh, control on the vehicles, seems that all of our, all of our, uh, smog was caused by vehicles rather than industry.
[speaker002:] Wisconsin has a, a law in which we need to take our cars in every year when we apply for a new license tag
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and they are tested for, uh, their pollution control equipment, and if they don't qualify then they have to take it to a mechanic and have it gone over and then verify that it, it is drivable.
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] So, they've, they've tried to do a lot of that
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I thi-, you know, there seem to be, at least in certain little pockets, and we were talking earlier about Madison
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Madison has one of the nicest, uh, bike, uh, road, uh, sharing programs of, of any city in Wisconsin
[speaker001:] Oh, really.
[speaker002:] and all Wisconsin has probably the most extensive number of, uh, bike trails for recreational use
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] of any of the states.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And there is a, a real promotion of, of biking
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but, um, there are still a lot of people who insist on, on driving their own automobiles
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] uh, to go everywhere. I find that a little irritating, because
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I don't think it's always so necessary.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, it, it becomes, uh, maybe to you and I who have grown up in some in, uh, uh, some more beautiful parts of the country, uh, I think that, that, uh, we become a little more aware, uh, rather quickly of, of what's happening with air pollution and how, uh, how horrible it really is. Um, I, I notice people in, in Dallas seem to say, Well, sure, there's air pollution, but, you know, really, how bad is, how bad could this problem really be.
[speaker002:] Send, send them to Wisconsin,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] and we'll let them try to drink out of some of the lakes
[speaker001:] Oh really [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] and try to fish in some of the lakes that have been suffering from, uh, the, uh, acid rain
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] they'll, they'll, they may wake up, you know, how'd you like to own a piece of property where your lake is going sour
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] because of acid rain.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] It's, uh, really a serious issue for those of us up in this, uh, sector up, up here.
[speaker001:] Do you find that, um, or, or do you hypothesize that, that most of the, uh, smog or, or air pollution comes from vehicles or does it come mostly from industry up there?
[speaker002:] I think it's mostly vehicles
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] although [throat clearing] it does come from some of the industry of, of the Gary area
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, I don't know exactly where it emerges from when it, it's up in the, uh, northern sectors of Wisconsin *slash error with b.70: one utt
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that causes the acid rain. That I'm a little uncertain of, but
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I do know that, uh, it is a problem.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. I had talked with my parents. I, I grew up, uh, I was born in, uh, Muncie, Indiana, and, and grew up a little bit in Terre Haute, and I had asked them before, uh, I went back to visit recently, about a year ago, and I asked them, I said, did you ever realize the air pollution that was,