[speaker002:] yeah as far as I'm concerned and probably apt that your call's at this time because we just got through watching uh Reasonable Doubts which had a you know capital case in it
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh my I personally have uh my own feelings about uh the capital punishment is I think it should be mandatory upon a third conviction felony
[speaker001:] I do too
[speaker002:] mandatory I mean summary execution on the steps that day
[speaker001:] um-hum why is it you know I I'm I'm in that same I think if it's uh if it's a convicted if it's a convicted uh felon on parole
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh and he goes out and and commits another crime or kills somebody I you know I I feel the same way I don't think I think that person is is beyond uh rehabilitation and and he should be taken out
[speaker002:] well I I also firmly believe that no one is beyond reclamation
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but I do know that some people almost all people usually die before that point
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] they just get too old
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um as far as capital punishment on on it's own merits I have the trouble with the way it's applied I think it should be applied on a little bit more fair manner uh and I've I've said this very often and I believe it to be the a a very true axiom so I would be rather be white rich and guilty than black and innocent
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] because if you're if you're black and you kill a white guy you're going to fry period they will kill you
[speaker001:] right yeah
[speaker002:] if you're black and you kill a black guy you know it's you know two hundred hours of community service
[speaker001:] yeah you don't hear you don't hear too much of that of those cases
[speaker002:] yeah well it's a social disease that we have called one upsmanship
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know we're the majority so we can do whatever the hell we wanna do
[speaker001:] yeah that's right
[speaker002:] and you're the minority and you're stuck with it but uh
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] you know we had this in the Vietnam war you know we had you know population of blacks among military people in Vietnam was about eighty percent
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] but the population of blacks in the military was about twenty two percent
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] the handwriting's on the wall there isn't it
[speaker001:] yep it sure is
[speaker002:] you know but that's another issue altogether
[speaker001:] yeah it's
[speaker002:] as as far as capital punishment I think that uh ten years on death row is cruel and unusual punishment I think the guy should have ninety days and if he can't produce evidence not argument but evidence
[speaker001:] um-hum see the only thing I don't you know I don't understand I guess I I don't understand our judicial system uh as it is right now because I you know if somebody has been convicted and has been sentenced to be put to death how is it that they can appeal and appeal and appeal and get stays of execution execution I mean how you know is there
[speaker002:] well that that goes back to when uh America was a a colony of England
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] in England you went to court you were assumed guilty until proven innocent and once they found you guilty you know the judge said he's guilty kill him well there there were some people that uh had a problem with that
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] because they found out later on that jeez you know a guy will lie rather than get killed and he'll say you know hey that guy did it you know not me
[speaker001:] right yeah
[speaker002:] and uh or he'll have somebody lie for him you know people lie it's a strange thing but they do that
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and to prevent that kind of misuse of power they wrote into the Constitution a protection against judicial mishap
[speaker001:] um-hum hm
[speaker002:] and the judicial mishap in this event would be hey you got the wrong guy look at that guy uh at E Systems
[speaker001:] yep
[speaker002:] they were going to they convicted him of a robbery that he could not physically have been able to commit
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] he was too far away when it happened he had witnesses that were you know they weren't dope dealers they weren't drug fiends they were employees of a an establishment that had a very high level of security sensitivity and these were really responsible people
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] you know and they convicted this guy because somebody says well he looks like the right guy you know they all look the same to me you know
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] big lips flat nose yep that was him
[speaker001:] yep what do you think about um uh convicted um