[speaker001:] you can go ahead and start if you want uh
[speaker002:] well um the budget's an interesting issue uh particularly since I'm pretty much a libertarian and an anachro libertarian at that uh so I would basically say the way to fix the budget is to uh cut and eliminate taxes charge user fees for things that uh are absolutely necessary and to be allocated fairly that way and um I'd say ninety percent of the budget has no business being there
[speaker001:] I can agree with that and uh I know one thing we we need to do a lot of spending cuts instead a lot of raising taxes because that's what's really hurting everybody's goat
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] yeah I think I think a lot of people fail to realize but you know the government doesn't generate money you know they may print it but that's not really the way money is made it's it's made from people working and doing things that are productive and government's the net cost
[speaker001:] and government doesn't produce anything
[speaker002:] that's right so uh a dollar tax isn't isn't a dollar that can be you know that that makes more bread or anything else it's uh it's lost
[speaker001:] correct that uh I guess the uh the big thing about that is the fact that they're spending someone else's money it's not like it's they're out of their own savings account
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and that's another quagmire that really hurts us
[speaker002:] absolutely
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] yeah I mean it's it's real easy when you go home and and you think gee you know I'd like to have a mansion and a yacht isn't it nice I can make my neighbors pay for it
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but but uh you know I mean the real world doesn't work like that or at least it shouldn't but it seems to in government
[speaker001:] isn't the basic needs of the government in the first place is to protect and what is the other one basic services is to protect and I don't know about providing all the other services that they do I mean even I I guess the uh the latest uh fire they came under was whenever they were providing a uh a tribute to um Lawrence Welk
[speaker002:] hum oh that's right
[speaker001:] contributing five hundred thousand to
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] restoration to his home I think that was called back because of all the flack they received but but that's the another one of the big examples of why we're in such dilemma
[speaker002:] uh-huh well even just the general funding for the arts uh in humanities and then you know they get into these censorship issues and everything else I mean
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] the art's in humanity should be privately funded
[speaker001:] I agree
[speaker002:] um a lot of these social welfare programs I mean that's why they're things like United Way is when you and I think that those are important but we give our dollars to them and it shouldn't be a government responsibility
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but the government I think is supposed to be doing is is defending our rights
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] no more and no less
[speaker001:] and the power given to the IRS is just astronomical and
[speaker002:] oh yeah that's awful
[speaker001:] when you sign your ten forty form you're signing a away you're rights I mean your your rights to uh uh protect yourself
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and that shouldn't be that way either uh the power given to those people is just well beyond it should be
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh the really what given it was given to them by Congress
[speaker002:] yeah but Congress never really had the right to give it to them is the is the real argument
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] um yeah it's it's so I don't know I mean so it I mean getting back to the budget it's I guess the the fundamental thing is to give people a concrete get people to agree on a concrete idea of just exactly what government is supposed to be doing for them no more no less and cut government back down to that size
[speaker001:] yeah it's it's it's an enormous enormous bureaucracy though it's going to take probably years to really get that in to order too
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] because everybody will want that pet project
[speaker002:] oh sure and and there's going to be a lot of you know cover your ass and you know well you can cut his program but not mine and and entrenched bureaucrats that don't want to loose their jobs
[speaker001:] correct and all the uh unnecessary military installations
[speaker002:] yep yep
[speaker001:] will have to be probably scrapped
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but that's going to be difficult
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but
[speaker002:] we may we may need a constitutional convention
[speaker001:] really the biggest way yeah uh probably will it's the only way it's going to change is for us to have a better budget for running this country is for everybody to get involved and right now I don't see that happening
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] not at the moment
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] or not at this short time period
[speaker002:] right I agree
[speaker001:] so my you have some pretty good ideas there um
[speaker002:] well it's been nice talking to somebody with who uh basically agrees with me
[speaker001:] yeah well I'm um  I voted libertarian this last election I mean in most uh
[speaker002:] did you
[speaker001:] some of the boxes you know
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I'm really am interested in getting most of the incumbents out
[speaker002:] yeah absolutely I think the republic rats have uh driven this country downhill for too long
[speaker001:] yeah well all parties too are responsible it's not just one particular one
[speaker002:] right that's why I said republic rat
[speaker001:] oh I see I see
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] well now that we have aired our views in such an open way
[speaker002:] yeah well it was good talking to you
[speaker001:] you too have fun up there
[speaker002:] you too
[speaker001:] hope to talk to you again maybe
[speaker002:] okeydoke bye-bye