[speaker001:] let's see um have you heard anything in particular about the universal health care system uh health insurance program that they're talking about
[speaker002:] well I haven't heard any of the specific details of uh what they have planned but uh basically the noise around Washington is that uh they're concerned that uh there's not enough health care insurance provided that uh very few families have uh health care insurance or any kind of uh coverage where they're employed
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh I'm not sure that there's any real plan afoot to uh bring a health care plan on line that requires everybody to kick in like uh Social Security
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh one of the plan that's been circulated about is a requirement that employers provide uh health care insurance for their employees and kick in something like eighty percent of the cost of that insurance and uh if they don't do that then they have to pay into a federal fund that provides the uh health care insurance
[speaker001:] and it'd probably be cheaper to go ahead and pay a percentage of the local plan
[speaker002:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] yeah especially for major corporations
[speaker002:] I tell you one thing that uh we were discussing this evening here that discourages me a little bit and worries me about the health care system uh I know that certainly in this region uh that the number of students graduating from dental school has been quite large
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and a lot of the foreign students that uh came and stayed in this country didn't go back home
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] so there's been a kind of dentists are kind of glut on the market and they're having a lot of trouble competing and making ends meet and uh physicians I think may be facing the same situation except they apparently have a very strong
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] organization and they are actually preventing students from entering medical college
[speaker001:] oh yeah they keep uh the AMA you've got to go through the AMA to get accepted into medical school
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and they keep a tight rein on how many people get in
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh now dental school that's yeah if they've got a glut on the market of dentists um I I I don't mean to be ugly about it but uh costs of dental work are pretty high
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and if there's something I don't necessarily think it needs to be driven down again but to keep it from shooting up of course dentistry I don't think has near the problem with like malpractice insurance and such
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] that's probably the worst thing about health care right now is the unlimited capacity for suing for malpractice and
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] it seems to be the burden of proof that on the doctor that he didn't do something wrong rather than proving that he did and if he doesn't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did everything just right then suddenly he's got you know two or three years wages down the toilet but uh
[speaker002:] well I think that's sort of happened universally to all our industries I think our light plane industry went out of business because the uh cost of uh manufacturers' product liability was too high
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh but I think on the other side of the coin that uh maybe the AMA is being a little bit too protective of some of their physicians uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah there are physicians getting away with murder
[speaker002:] yeah I've I've got my own set of war stories uh my daughter uh turns out she's allergic to gnats
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and the first time I went in to have it treated it cost two thousand five hundred dollars and the second time I went to a different doctor and the doctor said oh she's allergic to gnats give her some Benadryl that was a two dollar and forty five cent treatment for it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and so uh you know four days in the hospital the children's ward on IV penicillin uh was a lot less effective than a couple of teaspoons full of Benadryl
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and I have other friends that uh have really been misdiagnosed
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] and I think it's probably a shame that there isn't more competition among doctors and there isn't a little more policing
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh of the results
[speaker001:] yeah uh from what I've seen the better physicians are quick to ask you to go ahead and get a second opinion
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] they're not feeling you know insulted they're it's like that's a little you know sweat off my brow simply because I mean you know they're they're covering their own tail legally and you know a second opinion