[speaker001:] okay how you do you have kids
[speaker002:] yeah I have a uh twelve year old son and a fourteen year old daughter
[speaker001:] oh they're just teenagers huh almost
[speaker002:] right so uh so it's uh an interesting experience for us but we're kind of lucky uh in that regard because uh the church we belong to has a a program that they've had for quite a few years that they call family home evening and that program is designed to uh bring the family together at least once a week on Monday night so we uh I guess I could say religiously dedicate Monday evening to doing just that and each each week uh each one of us takes uh responsibility for that particular Monday night
[speaker001:] yeah now now do you find that that that's uh see how would I say that do you find that uh that that it's well I mean it's it's
[speaker002:] that it works
[speaker001:] you could do that on a Monday on a Monday do you find it that it's easy to do that on Monday nights or is it
[speaker002:] um-hum it because it turns out that Monday night of all of the other nights of the week generally is the one that has the least number of other outside influences going on so we find that it works out quite well and uh we actually look forward to it because we get to spend so little time together otherwise and uh as I said each one of us' ll plan uh something for the particular Monday and it can be anything because it is kind of a a church sponsored thing once in a while we'll have a a religious lesson maybe once a month that alternates amongst us but uh we might go to a movie or we might watch something here or play a game or just sit and read or uh or whatever that individual feels that they would like to do that's what we do
[speaker001:] oh that sounds pretty good are do you find that that uh uh I guess with us
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I have uh four kids at home now and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh let's see uh a six a five year old a thirteen year old uh excuse me five eleven thirteen and seventeen and uh  Saturdays is a is it's difficult to get everybody
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] organized and rounded up uh so they get the chores done and don't home in on the television immediately when they when they get up
[speaker002:] right um-hum
[speaker001:] um actually and during the school nights uh
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] uh the we have a rule now that that uh because the kids are so easily distracted by the you know
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] uh that uh no television on school nights and no
[speaker002:] um-hum hum and right not at all or until it's all done or uh
[speaker001:] none at all
[speaker002:] not at all that's that's a good but uh that's a good idea but
[speaker001:] it's well they think it's draconian they think it's terrible you know
[speaker002:] right yeah hard to enforce I'm sure
[speaker001:] uh well no it's not that hard to enforce it's just uh because if there's you know if it's
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] I found out that if if uh if I let one of them watch pretty soon they'd all be watching
[speaker002:] um-hum that's right including yourself yeah can't let yourself watch either that'll work
[speaker001:] so I so I said that  well no television and no ball games and the reason no ball games is because the kids' ll stick their earphones on and and listen to ball games and try and do their piano believe it or not
[speaker002:] um-hum right we have another uh another advantage to is that uh three of the four of us are ham radio operators
[speaker001:] oh is that that's that's a pretty good hobby isn't it
[speaker002:] yeah so we have a uh a hobby in common and we can talk to one another over the air too on uh on many occasions and uh matter of fact we're my son and I are watching the the shuttle right now uh they've got four ham radio operators on board the shuttle and uh so we been trying to make contact with them and it's uh it's headed towards the DC area right now yeah matter of fact it's uh it's over the horizon now
[speaker001:] oh is that right that's very nice well now that's kind of that's interesting to me because a lot of uh you know in keeping on the uh the family thing here the reason that's interesting is because I've noticed that some families have
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] um like the the parent I knew some ham and uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh there's a tendency and I I think a lot of it depends on the family for like the ham to go in his in his uh room and shut the door
[speaker002:] right in the ham shack um hum
[speaker001:] in a shack and shut the door and the rest of the family was excluded
[speaker002:] right and that's the last you ever see of him and uh
[speaker001:] and that's
[speaker002:] and uh he speaks a totally different language
[speaker001:] and the fact that and I read one time that uh there was a high divorce rate in in uh Cape Canaveral down there or Cape Kennedy or whatever you call it because the engineer would come home go in his study close the door and that was it
[speaker002:] uh-huh right uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh just sort of an autocrat so the fact that you've got three participants in your family that uh that do that is that's a credit to you what are
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] let's say I I guess my other question about uh
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] um when it comes to when they're on their own you know I mean if if you have to go if you and your wife go someplace
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] what typically