[speaker001:] being up up there maybe maybe you guys don't have as uh big a problem with air pollution as many do you
[speaker002:] we we we have a terrible air pollution problem
[speaker001:] do you really
[speaker002:] our summers are extremely uh hazardous and during ah certain
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] wind directions because we get the uh Gary Indiana Chicago pollution
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and we can look out on the lake and just see the brown haze uh coming up along the lake
[speaker001:] that's horrible um-hum
[speaker002:] and they do post uh uh warnings for people who have uh heart diseases or respiratory problems
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] during that summer season in the winter it's not as severe
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] but uh if the wind comes basically from the south it can be really bad
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh the state of Wisconsin as a matter of fact uh started some litigation against Illinois because of the air pollution we were getting
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] ah I don't think it's gonna go very far but it it was uh a way of ah triggering uh awareness
[speaker001:] right right
[speaker002:] so what's the conditions like in Dallas
[speaker001:] well uh in Dallas I I haven't seen air pollution quite on a quite on a level that we had in Denver uh I grew up in Denver and and I've lived there most of my life and we used to have those uh you know the posted warning days uh however in Colorado now they have the emissions control law which has really cut down probably only once every couple of years do we ever have pollution so bad that they have to post post warnings now you know as far as health concerns uh due to that emissions the the emissions uh
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] uh control on the vehicles seems that all of our all of our ah smog was caused by vehicles rather than industry
[speaker002:] Wisconsin has a a law in which we need to take our cars in every year when we apply for a new license tag
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and they're tested for uh their pollution control equipment and if they don't qualify then they have to take it to a mechanic and have it gone over and then verify that it's it is drivable
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] so they've they've tried to do a lot of that and I you know uh there seem to be at at least in certain little pockets and we were talking earlier about Madison
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] Madison has one of the nicest uh bike uh road uh sharing programs of of any city in Wisconsin
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] in all of Wisconsin has probably the most extensive number of uh bike trails for recreational use of any of the states
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and there is a a real promotion of of biking
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but um there are still a lot of people who'll insist on on driving their own automobiles uh to go everywhere
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] I find that a little irritating because I don't think it's always so necessary
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah yeah it it becomes it uh maybe to you and I who have grown up in some in some uh uh some more uh beautiful parts of the country uh I think that that uh we become a little more aware uh rather quickly of of what's happening with air pollution and how uh how horrible it really is um I I notice people in Dallas seem to say well sure there's air pollution but you know really how bad is how problem how bad could this problem really be um
[speaker002:] send send them to Wisconsin and we'll let them try to drink out of some of the lakes and try to fish in some of the lakes that have been suffering from
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] uh the uh acid rain and they'll they'll they may wake up you know how would you like to own a piece of property where your lake is going sour because of the acid rain
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh um you right right
[speaker002:] it's a really a serious issue for those of us up in this ah sector up up here
[speaker001:] do you find that um or or do you hypothesize that that most of the uh smog or or air pollution comes from vehicles or does it come mostly from industry up there
[speaker002:] I think it's mostly vehicles although it does come from some of the industry of of the Gary area
[speaker001:] oh yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh I don't know exactly where it emerges from when it it's up in the ah northern sectors of Wisconsin that causes the acid rain
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] that I'm a little uncertain of but I do know that uh it is a problem
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum I had talked with my parents I I grew up uh I was born in uh Muncie Indiana and and grew up a little bit in Terre Haute and I had asked them before uh I went back to visit recently about a year ago and I asked them I said did you ever realize the air pollution that was