[speaker001:] that's it
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] what do you think are possible changes in the uh the way trials are conducted these days do you like the way some people in there for instance really take over and uh we have no way of knowing whether they're legitimately right or wrong so forth
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] what do you think about these things
[speaker002:] well as I look at our trial systems I think they've gotten to be quite a joke the way that people can appeal and file for mistrials and they've taken a lot of the things that that were set up to make it be a fair system and used it to their advantage I think that a jury should listen to the court uh to to the hearings and to everything but I think they should only weigh fifty percent of the decision I think the judge should hold the fifty or maybe even forty nine and the judge should be able to rule one way or the other
[speaker001:] you you're so you're saying you you think the judge should actually have the final say
[speaker002:] I think he should and I think that there should be more than one judge there should be maybe two at least that sit in and listen so that there's no way that you could have
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] like a crooked judge do you know what I mean
[speaker001:] yes I know what you mean
[speaker002:] um and I think that there it's important to have a jury but I think the way that they go through so much time to get a a fair one that's okay too as long as it's not used to delay the trial so much they need to have a fair jury but they only would you know would cover fifty forty nine percent of the decision or fifty percent and then the two judges would go ahead and make the final decision
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] how do you feel about that
[speaker001:] I hadn't uh thought of it from that point of view before I have been in a fairly important trial and uh what bothers me is I was concerned of the ability of some of the people in the jury to adequately understand
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] what was being presented so that they themselves could make a proper and uh accurate decision that's the part that bothered me about it um I really think that the the the jury ought to have more say so in the selection or in the determination of whether they're guilty or not but I also think that the jury should be uh very very uh carefully more carefully selected to make sure that they are entirely intelligent intelligent people and that they understand some of the details that are involved so that they can make accurate accurate decisions
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I hate to see people brought in who basically have lived out in the country and don't know much about any of this stuff and and they just make a decision based on whether they like the dress she wore that day or whether that guy smiled or growled all the time that's no way to make a decision on some terrible problem
[speaker002:] right right well what if they used you know I just had a thought come as you were talking what if they used law students and had that be credit hours to sit in trials
[speaker001:] that would be certainly nice shit let's say we we would have fifty percent of them law students at any rate yeah yeah
[speaker002:] yeah at least at least on the jury and that would give them experience in the courtroom and it could count as some aspect or hours going into their major
[speaker001:] um-hum that's a very neat idea and they would learn a lot about being lawyers later in life when they see what it is like to be in the jury side of a trial
[speaker002:] right that's right that would be a really good thing to do
[speaker001:] that would be a a really good thing to do
[speaker002:] I I have a girlfriend that just went through a three year trial
[speaker001:] so that's hum
[speaker002:] and what happened was her husband was um involved in a motorcycle accident where a drunk driver ran the stop light and ran into the motorcycle
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] but the reason the actual reason that the motorcycle person her husband was killed was because his brakes went out on his motorcycle he was just taking it home from the place it was brand new and his brakes did not work
[speaker001:] for goodness sakes
[speaker002:] and this expensive big company that owned these motorcycles um railroaded this into three years worth of trials for this lady and she had a son that was just only two years old when it happened
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and they were following him home in the car saw the whole thing happen
[speaker001:] oh they saw the husband get
[speaker002:] that's right they were following him home from the motorcycle shop
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and they railroaded this whole trial into mistrials um this and that and the other every time she'd get a verdict that would be in her favor of a of a settlement
[speaker001:] they'd find something wrong with it
[speaker002:] until finally they won and said that it was the drunk driver's fault and she would have to sue him
[speaker001:] did they really uh-huh
[speaker002:] which I would think it would be some his fault but I just felt like justice wasn't served because they had the money the big lawyers and she didn't
[speaker001:] that is a shame you'd think there would be enough uh people who saw the accident other than his wife
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] to to also uh make statements and they have nothing to gain one way or the other so if they say a certain way then why not believe them
[speaker002:] right and I don't know all the details on that but I certainly think that we've come up with a good idea with the the student the students coming into the jury
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and I don't think that it would be such a bad idea even if the judge didn't have the final say
[speaker001:] um-hum