[speaker001:] I'm kind of ambivalent myself uh oh we we have that kind of a program at uh at work but uh I'm not crazy about it myself
[speaker002:] well I think that it can be um a hassle but considering some of the things we picked up um I think it's I think it means as much to get a clean one I think being able to prove that you're clean is is quite beneficial to the employee
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] especially when there's been in an accident of some kind or you know something didn't go right
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] I know our company requires it before uh employment and then if there's an accident on the job they require it
[speaker001:] oh right
[speaker002:] and I does your company do the same
[speaker001:] um they require they require it before
[speaker002:] on a accident
[speaker001:] uh employment as as a condition of employment and then uh they have random testing
[speaker002:] yeah okay
[speaker001:] I don't know about after accidents because industrial accidents I guess are relatively rare at TI
[speaker002:] well we hope they are at ours too but that's just in our policy and procedures
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but um we um I think in a in a way it's a protection for the employee
[speaker001:] I really
[speaker002:] because they can say that uh it definitely wasn't their fault if they work on it you know hurt on the job
[speaker001:] I guess you could view it that way I tend to be more concerned about uh where it'll go from here and uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] also I not convinced that the at least the kind of people that I work with I'm not convinced that that's really uh doing much for the program for the uh drug problem
[speaker002:] oh well I think uh the sensitiveness of either one of other professions requires complete ability to think properly
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I think from that viewpoint it's not a bad idea but uh I'm not sure that the random testing I'm not so sure but I think if um if there's any suspicion that a person is using drugs I think that the employer should be able to do a little bit of testing
[speaker001:] yeah for cause
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah for cause
[speaker001:] for cause I just um I'm not convinced that that wheeling all this machinery in place and testing a lot of um uh people who as far as I can tell uh I I think the yield is very low
[speaker002:] yeah it is even around here
[speaker001:] um it's uh a lot of expense I know for
[speaker002:] oh it is um-hum it's a lot of trouble too because most of the time especially for TI they have to do chain of custody
[speaker001:] companies that aren't doing well
[speaker002:] and um with even with the money we charge for it it uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] it uh it's not a money maker
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] not at all but we we do have in our particular facility we have a special area where uh we do special toxicology work and uh the security involved is tremendous so it's uh one of those things that I know at least in our area is it provides properly which should be you know kind of comforting to people who have to have it done
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well I haven't been uh selected for random testing yet but I'm not looking forward to it
[speaker002:] well oh well all you have to do is go in and give a specimen then go on your merry way
[speaker001:] yeah I understand that yeah but I'm more something of a civil libertarian I guess
[speaker002:] yeah don't have to worry about it oh well
[speaker001:] and uh I think uh I'm just worried about what what they'll do next
[speaker002:] well yeah there's some of the tests that uh I think uh still we have a right to privacy
[speaker001:] yeah particularly if there um I'm worried about this business of uh detecting everything that could be possibly wrong with anybody and then adjusting health insurance accordingly
[speaker002:] oh yeah oh yeah I know when some of the disclaimers came out you know and permissions you had to give on health insurance
[speaker001:] they're gonna start there's yeah
[speaker002:] uh right first I had this young lady read it I said I want you to be sure and read this before you sign it she read it she said I think I'll go call my lawyer
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] she came back in and she says I don't think I want this and I said I thought didn't think you might but you sign away your rights
[speaker001:] right I'm afraid they'll start uh picking out people with every possible type of risk factor and trying to exclude them from health coverage
[speaker002:] oh yeah well they do that to some extent already
[speaker001:] yeah so I I'd
[speaker002:] we went into that
[speaker001:] right drug testing could uh could be the first step towards that so I hope they do it very very carefully and uh
[speaker002:] right we could
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] well uh
[speaker001:] sensitive to what the to the peoples privacy
[speaker002:] um-hum we do them um for the people I have a have a program where we can do them for the individual
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] which is a little unusual but its done through the auspices