[speaker001:] hobbies do you have
[speaker002:] um I I do I play tennis and softball and I do a little bit of woodworking around the house furniture stripping and stuff like that
[speaker001:] ah do you do antiques
[speaker002:] uh well I have this uh huge kitchen cabinet that uh it was like an old cabinet my buildings from was built in nineteen oh four
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] so I have this cabinet that had about eight layers of paint on it and I stripped it down and I'm still working on it for about it's been about a year that I've been working on it
[speaker001:] oh my
[speaker002:] it's beautiful moldings and a beautiful cabinet and as soon as I'm done with it it should be good
[speaker001:] ah
[speaker002:] we use like a heat gun to strip it and then uh chemicals to get the rest of the paint out of the crevices and stuff like that
[speaker001:] do you do all this in your house
[speaker002:] yeah yeah it's it's it's uh it's probably movable the cabinet but it would be tough to move I was able to take some of the pieces apart it's like a kitchen pantry basically
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh oh
[speaker002:] I was able to take some of the pieces apart like some of the shelves out to clean them out independently and stuff
[speaker001:] boy that's an ambitious project
[speaker002:] yeah a little too ambitious
[speaker001:] had you ever done any refinishing before
[speaker002:] no I'd done nothing like it before but a neighbor of ours had done this and it looked uh looked nice so we figured we'd try it ourselves
[speaker001:] oh so the neighbor was able to give you guidance
[speaker002:] um a little bit she didn't tell us she did say it was gonna be hard work she was right she was right
[speaker001:] yeah and she was right yes
[speaker002:] so uh what kind of work do you do you do any you do anything like that or what are your hobbies
[speaker001:] well uh I do a lot of needlework and I also do puzzles for magazines I get paid for this I've written two puzzle books
[speaker002:] really
[speaker001:] uh-huh and so in my free time even though it's not a hobby and that I do get paid for it I'm always developing new puzzles and activities and and word games mind benders that type of thing
[speaker002:] crossword you do crossword puzzles mostly or or
[speaker001:] no they're they're variety type puzzles uh not crosswords just all different kinds find the hidden word and um you know anagram type puzzles acrostic cryptograms
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] uh mostly for children but some of them go up through grade twelve so and I've developed a lot of my own type of puzzles like word snakes and grid graphs and things like that so that's what published so if I have free time I'm usually sitting down with uh graph paper doing some puzzles
[speaker002:] is that what you do for a living or you do other things
[speaker001:] I'm a writer for a living I writer other things I'm a freelance writer
[speaker002:] huh grand fantastic
[speaker001:] and uh I was a teacher for fourteen years and I'm not teaching because we've had to move around so much that I
[speaker002:] are you from Texas
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] I I live in Texas now but I'm from Southern Ohio originally
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] and uh we've lived in Michigan and it seems like wherever I go I need to take forty hours of college in order to update my teaching credentials
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] so I decided I didn't want that to be my hobby any more after paying thousands and then moving the next year so um now I'm I'm just writing at home
[speaker002:] well you have yeah you have a good career for that crossword puzzles and writing you don't have to go out my wife's my wife's an editor and we just had our first child so she's
[speaker001:] yes oh and what does she edit
[speaker002:] uh magazines she'd worked for a dance magazine and American oh you probably know the American Booksellers Association she
[speaker001:] oh yes ABA
[speaker002:] she right she's worked for them for about the last year or so and they just had their convention in New York
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh that's right I knew some people going up there
[speaker002:] and uh she worked on the show daily doing the um you know the the daily uh magazine that they print out
[speaker001:] oh well that
[speaker002:] so that's good and they've now that she's possibly probably not going to go back to work at least for a few years um she's gotten freelance work from people
[speaker001:] oh great
[speaker002:] so she gets to uh do her hot stuff I don't know if they care what topics we talk about anyway right just
[speaker001:] no I don't think so so does she take in manuscripts like fiction to edit
[speaker002:] um yeah she would anything like that
[speaker001:] because I'm in a a large writers group here in Dallas called Dallas Area Romance Authors do you live in the Dallas area
[speaker002:] no uh we're from New York
[speaker001:] oh you're from New York oh well there's a large group there too it's a national thing Romance Writers of America and they're always looking for freelance editors
[speaker002:] yes right oh let me let me give you let me give you uh our address
[speaker001:] okay I can send her some information about it because I know they mail manuscripts and for a complete oh I think it's three chapters and a synopsis which would be around sixty pages the average price is around a hundred and fifty dollars for an editorial service
[speaker002:] great sounds good
[speaker001:] so okay I'll write this down and send it
[speaker002:] she loves to read that's really the type of work that she would like to do even though she never did that professionally
[speaker001:] oh good yeah
[speaker002:] uh yeah she's started in other fashions but not not not specifically reading novels and editing them and and proofreading them and stuff so I think she would like that
[speaker001:] okay let me take down the information and I'll send her who to who to send her credentials to
[speaker002:] right great her name's Mary C Murphy
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] and her address is two twenty five
[speaker001:] two twenty five
[speaker002:] West End Avenue