[speaker002:] well this is going to be very boring boring because I don't
[speaker001:] hi you don't at all
[speaker002:] no and uh unfortunately it shows I uh I'm supposed to I'm way overweight but uh I've had a problem with uh high blood pressure which of course is directly connected to it and my doctor's trying to get my blood pressure under control
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] before I start in any exercising
[speaker001:] or too much of it yeah yeah you need
[speaker002:] so anyway I did join the uh uh the Texans up at uh
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh Springcreek
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I've been up there a few times but didn't accomplish too much because I just run down too quick
[speaker001:] yeah I haven't been up there um but I understand they've got a nice pool and that's my favorite form of exercise is swimming
[speaker002:] uh that would have to be mine I hate exercising it's so boring
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] uh I would much prefer to like walk through the woods
[speaker001:] oh yeah most of my my forms of exercise come in the form of a five year old and a two year old
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh running after them or going biking with them or just exploring you know on a little exploration exploration hike you know through the neighborhood it's amazing you know how many earthworms you can find and and to a five year old they're they never get old you know an earthworm every single time she finds one it's uh it's a brand new exciting activity for her
[speaker002:] isn't it amazing
[speaker001:] um-hum it really is
[speaker002:] well we um back when my my I have four sons they're all grown now and and two of them are married with children of their own but when they were just uh pre teenagers we um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] we decided the only way we could afford vacations is to go camping
[speaker001:] oh yeah isn't it great
[speaker002:] and we thoroughly enjoyed it I mean we went whole hog we had the tents and everything else and and pretty much roughed it sleeping on the ground and all
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh I like to think that my children my sons learned a lot about uh the outdoors uh uh uh being self-sustaining
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh uh I would have no doubt what so ever that any one of them could be dropped in the middle of no where and they'd they'd exist exist somehow
[speaker001:] well that's neat my uh my husband was uh was a boy scout and he uh actually went very far in the boy scouts and he was in The Order of the Arrow and he absolutely um you know the earth is is part of him and he is part of it and I think that's a real important thing and we we enjoy going camping we haven't yet had them sleeping on the ground primarily because to them uh or to the five year old the two year old would freak out about it but she wouldn't quite get totally unnerved but the five year old still has a fear of spiders
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I'm afraid that if she woke up one with her we would have to pack up and come home so we've primarily done our camping by cabin up at Turner Falls up in Oklahoma
[speaker002:] oh wow well okay that is understandable oh yes I'm very familiar with it very beautiful place
[speaker001:] isn't that a beautiful place
[speaker002:] I've been up there several times
[speaker001:] well it was up there actually that she got her fear of spiders because we sat and watched a tarantula for a long time we we you know we'd never seen one
[speaker002:] oh what a shame
[speaker001:] or she had never seen one we my husband and I had but she we'd never seen one as a family and so we just sat and watched it for the longest time it was you know removed from us by probably five or six feet so we weren't concerned about it and we just sat and watched it and we explained you know how it did well that night she had a nightmare and she has been terrified of spiders since but we still go up there and we still have a great time
[speaker002:] well good I'm glad to hear that about the only thing uh I might suggest is uh do the same thing again introduce her to a to a spider at a reasonable distance where she isn't frightened
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh and that that that the the nightmare I'm sure was just a a freak I'll bet it wouldn't happen again
[speaker001:] I think not yeah I think it was you know being in a new place being kind of out of out of sorts and everything all combined but
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] we uh that's you you know that's our favorite form of exercise is is life and we do our own yard you know we uh we we enjoy the activities that provide exercise both of us would love to exercise on a routine basis but our life doesn't um really have that much time in it so we just enjoy what we can along with our family you know
[speaker002:] well that you couldn't pick a better way of doing it with your family
[speaker001:] well yeah we have a
[speaker002:] and and you're you're certainly all getting an education while you're doing this exercise
[speaker001:] that's kind of how we feel about it we can't you know there's there's there's things that uh the only thing that is forever is the earth well we hope it's forever yeah and uh and you know therefore
[speaker002:] as far as we're concerned
[speaker001:] it you know the girls can learn things in school about everything that is temporary but as far as really knowing the earth there's no other way to really learn it but to experience it
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and we really have a great time with it I'm sure that's the way that you felt with your boys
[speaker002:] oh definitely definitely it was a learning experience uh now we I guess we camped just about every public campground in the state of Florida
[speaker001:] oh and Florida's absolutely wonderful for that I understand I've I've never lived there
[speaker002:] oh yes yes yell they used to be but now they're trying to really put it to the the the uh visitors I think they're doing a very stupid thing
[speaker001:] oh with Walt Disney World and
[speaker002:] well they charge extra now they there was a time here a few years ago when they put an extra tax on all the campgrounds and the uh motels and hotels
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] so they are are uh you know really putting it to the visitors and people got a little fed up with it and they suddenly and suddenly the the foundling fathers of uh of Florida found out that they were losing beaucoup bucks people were going elsewhere for uh their vacations
[speaker001:] by night they were trying to turn it too much into a business
[speaker002:] exactly so they got rid of that tax in a hurry
[speaker001:] oh that's good we've uh not been brave enough yet to brave that trip with these with the two small children I mean you know in the car
[speaker002:] uh yeah I can appreciate that
[speaker001:] it's it's uh it's you know getting up to Turner Falls or uh up to Lake Murray is about as far as we've really tried to go in a car we have gone down and uh uh gone down to the New Braunfels uh San well we were headed down to Sea World in San Antonio
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh we stopped along the way and enjoyed ourselves along the way but um you know that's that's pretty much as far as we've tried with little ones
[speaker002:] well the the trick is to stop frequently and let the kids get out and run
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] now uh I'm alone now myself and and I I have graduated from sleeping on the ground to uh going in a motor home
[speaker001:] oh um-hum
[speaker002:] well the fact I live in it and there's just my dog and I now my dog is a wonderful traveler but I do have to stop for her quite frequently
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and it works out fine I mean I stop I'm never in a hurry to get anywhere
[speaker001:] and no reason to be
[speaker002:] like it takes me two days to get to Memphis
[speaker001:] and that's that's not terribly far
[speaker002:] no it's uh it's about an eight or nine hour drive really
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] but uh I make it in two days because I I don't push it
[speaker001:] well there's so many neat places along the way I mean you've got Arkansas you know and
[speaker002:] oh definitely oh absolutely incidentally oh I can't remember the name of that place there's a beautiful park up there and they do have a uh uh oh sort of a hotel a lodge a lodge that's what it is
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and it's just off the interstate and the kids would love it because they have playgrounds for the children and all and they have uh several nature trails
[speaker001:] it's just off the interstate that goes through Hot Springs
[speaker002:] uh it's just below Hot Springs
[speaker001:] um okay
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] well that wouldn't even be a very far drive
[speaker002:] it's lake something
[speaker001:] I'm not I I ought to look into it uh because we were kind of entertaining entertaining the thought of taking a uh you know like just a five or six day trip in the not too distant future to kind of kick off the summer
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I
[speaker002:] well the next time you go across the state line or when you come back in be sure and stop at one of the Texas
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] welcome bureaus
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and ask them for their literature on the the uh state national parks in the state of Texas
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and you'll you'll get a collection from them the you wouldn't believe there were so many parks in the state
[speaker001:] I probably wouldn't and I've lived here all of my life
[speaker002:] well it it there there are so many for instance have you ever been out to Tyler State Park
[speaker001:] oh yes I have I have been to Tyler that was one place we went when I was a child
[speaker002:] all all right you
[speaker001:] we've not taken our children though
[speaker002:] there's a place to take them and uh oh good heavens up there just this side of Texoma Texoma not Texoma uh Texarkana
[speaker001:] uh-huh Texarkana uh-huh
[speaker002:] there are three or four state parks up there
[speaker001:] we ought to head out
[speaker002:] we uh and they're all great and and again there's the nature trails
[speaker001:] um-hum ah
[speaker002:] for your exercising
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] we almost forgot our subject of the day there but be sure and stop at one of those Texas bureaus tourist bureaus and get their literature
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well I certainly will Jack it's been real it's been real uh informative for me to talk with you and I I certainly enjoyed it
[speaker002:] well it's been my pleasure uh Gina Gina is that with a G
[speaker001:] okay uh-huh it sure is
[speaker002:] that's that's uh uh Italian heritage isn't it
[speaker001:] I don't have any Italian heritage my my mother actually chose it because of Gina