[speaker001:] so child care your views
[speaker002:] uh well we only have one child right now and another one on the way and right now I'm I'm home with her during the day I if I was looking for outside care I probably would stay away from professional child care centers and try to find if I was close to home relatives or people with the same values and possibly religious faith or something similar so that she would be raised in an environment that would be similar to what we would have in our own homes as as parents
[speaker001:] and what religious faith
[speaker002:] uh Latter Day Saints
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] that's that's good
[speaker002:] that's what I would try to do with a teaching background I've um had a little bit of experience with some of the child day care type situations but I've seen some good ones and I've seen some really bad ones
[speaker001:] uh they do seem to be at the outside edge of both extremes don't they
[speaker002:] uh-huh and everything in between yeah because there's in most states there's nothing to regulate them and so
[speaker001:] and whenever they are they seem to regulate the good toward the bad instead of bad toward the good
[speaker002:] right by trying to get them to conform to concern standards they uh kind of uh eliminate a lot of the uh
[speaker001:] better situations
[speaker002:] yeah the the uh what am I trying to think of that not the imagination but the creativity in in the situation and so
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that's that that's very well phrased uh so have you ever used outside child care
[speaker002:] no I haven't we've had like people come in and babysit for an hour or two but I've never had um
[speaker001:] real day care
[speaker002:] right she's she's not even a year yet so
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] we haven't been in you know a lot of need yet
[speaker001:] our step daughter's ten now
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and most of the day care has been provide for by Grandma
[speaker002:] yeah I like that situation that's usually real good
[speaker001:] but quite honestly what I believe to be the best day care situation was while we lived up the pass of Woodland Park
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] there was uh ex school teacher that uh did a small amount of before school and and after school you know kindergartners or half-dayers
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] in her home and they would read and play
[speaker002:] have a relative structured a structured
[speaker001:] seem to be
[speaker002:] activities and not just you know stick them in a corner and say you're on your own
[speaker001:] uh yeah and uh despite our beliefs she was uh one of the more um charismatic Christian faiths
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it worked out wonderfully
[speaker002:] yeah I know that um that I guess if you have the opportunity to pick and choose and you've got the time and that uh I don't know if the resources are the proper term you know just the the know knowledge of who's a available then you could probably find some really good care
[speaker001:] uh yeah but I don't know that it would be state approved
[speaker002:] that's true you can get somebody somebody willing to babysit but actual you know that's sometimes different on a done on a different scale I have even considered you know babysitting myself I have a teaching degree and uh thought well you know I could structure and then for one reason or other decided not to but I think if you take more than three children in well that was how it was this Virginia we've recently moved here to Texas but in Virginia I think if you take more than three children in on more than a several hours a day bases you have to be licensed
[speaker001:] I now I don't know what the current Texas laws are but I but I do know that the license doesn't seem to guarantee quality
[speaker002:] yeah a lot of times you might just need to go now and feel file for it just like a business you may not have to prove any type of qualification for it I don't
[speaker001:] uh now here I believe that child care meets by and large certain standards for uh balanced food if they provide food cleanliness and levels of supervision
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] levels being defined as number of of working adults for number of children
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but
[speaker002:] that's uh kind of a minimum there that you're getting your covering basic care there and not all the extras that most people would like to see done with there children you know like the educational activities the supervised play and so forth
[speaker001:] yeah uh my wife is uh agnostic and I'm a backsliding Presbyterian
[speaker002:] I like that term
[speaker001:] and uh yet I really believe that this charismatic care or the charismatic belief when emphasized on care or semi charismatic I might say
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] was quite good
[speaker002:] yeah it was a good influence for your daughter uh
[speaker001:] yes very
[speaker002:] well that's good
[speaker001:] and and uh the care is what I guess you should emphasize in the term child care instead of the child
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah a little bit of love and and attention is what most of them need you know even if it's not a real educated program you can have good educational program and and
[speaker001:] and not have any care
[speaker002:] right and and that's not certainly what you want for your child or what you would give your child yourself and so
[speaker001:] and I'm not sure that really child care per se should instill any education per se you know what I'm saying
[speaker002:] well even educated play uh supervised play can teach without and I'm not saying talking about sitting down and teaching them math or or or something like that but just kind of promoting social skills and uh you know like my my child that she want be an only child for long but you know she was an only child or maybe your daughter not having yeah
[speaker001:] proper interface
[speaker002:] yeah just
[speaker001:] it's just just correct ness of of social skills if you will
[speaker002:] uh-huh right those basic things that uh they would that you know maybe a little bit of uh I don't know if manners is a is a good term or not but you know dealing with other through uh proper mannerisms and politeness and so forth you know that sort of thing you'd want your child to learn that from been experience with I mean someone else certainly you wouldn't want your child's day care person to yell at them and scream at them and say do this do that you know you'd want them to promote politeness and niceness you know the things that you would want any child to learn and usually that's done through example not you know an actual sit down learn situation so
[speaker001:] uh yeah uh it's a very broad issue
[speaker002:] uh-huh it is
[speaker001:] and you know it's a shame but most people doing child care earn almost no money they operate at you know um the owner of the child of a you know we're talking large child care facility now we're not talking somebody that does six kids in their home or or three or or whatever
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh who really doesn't really put a lot of overhead whatever into it you mean somebody that has an actual establishment
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] their employees earn almost nothing
[speaker002:] yeah I know I I did that for summer so I can I can vouch for that
[speaker001:] and and that's really a a shame too because do you and your husband both work
[speaker002:] no just he does I'm I'm here during the day with her
[speaker001:] well that's wonderful if if you can make it that way
[speaker002:] well we we decided to live with a uh uh lesser budget so that we have that that's more important to us you know as as uh there may come a time when I will be working again you know but right now that's what we've chosen and we wanted to have several we got her and we've got another on the way and
[speaker001:] well like I said
[speaker002:] may have another one soon after that so
[speaker001:] that's grand if if you can pull it off
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] but more and more we're being forced into a situation we as Americans are being forced into a situation where you've got to have