[speaker001:] all right um one thing you know that I always think about when I think of public education because I went through the public um school system of Boston and uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I always felt that I graduated high school and I still didn't even I I I couldn't put together a map of the United States
[speaker002:] hm uh-huh
[speaker001:] you know what I mean and yet I felt that I got a good education and and I did well in school but you tell me to name you know five continents and I couldn't do it I just feel like there are some real basics that are missing from education
[speaker002:] uh-huh huh
[speaker001:] and that people are are leaving school not even knowing some common sense things
[speaker002:] yeah when uh well talking about public education um I was just just I'm we're doing a proposal at we're doing at NC State
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] we're trying to improve the computer science curriculum
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so that's kind of at a higher level
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] so it's interesting that you chose that topic
[speaker001:] yeah um did you go through a a public school system or a private
[speaker002:] yeah well I went through private until ninth grade
[speaker001:] um-hum did you notice a big difference
[speaker002:] yeah oh yeah big difference
[speaker001:] like in what sense
[speaker002:] well um in uh public schools I guess there were there are a lot of you know people can take lower level courses and get away with learning nothing
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but um in private school you couldn't do that you know you had to learn
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I work in a temporary agency and there are people that come in you know everyday to fill out an application and
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] they'll have to bring somebody with them and they will show that they completed um four years of high school yet when it comes to even answering the questions on a simple application
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] they can't read enough to be able to fill out the answers by themselves
[speaker002:] it's bad
[speaker001:] it's just incredible
[speaker002:] yeah our state just cut a whole bunch of uh like think it's ten million dollars out of the school budget
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] so we're making all kinds of cuts in college people cannot I mean the teachers can't make tests anymore and the the library's canceling all it's subscription
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it's pretty sorry
[speaker001:] I know um they uh I forget what I think it's um someplace in New York because they're having budget problems they're closing the libraries
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] I mean they're not getting rid of any of the sports
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] or anything like that they're not cutting in any other corner they're closing the libraries that to me shows a little uh switch in priorities you know
[speaker002:] and uh yeah
[speaker001:] so do you go to college right now are you in
[speaker002:] yeah it's my last year
[speaker001:] you're so you're a senior now
[speaker002:] yeah I'm working on my projects trying to graduate
[speaker001:] oh good for you that's great um is is NC University is that uh uh state what'd you say
[speaker002:] yeah NC State NC State
[speaker001:] NC State that's a state university then I see and you're from there also
[speaker002:] yeah well yeah I was uh I was born in Raleigh and then I lived in Winston-Salem rest of my life
[speaker001:] um-hum I see
[speaker002:] so now I'm back here going to school
[speaker001:] well pretty soon it's gonna get to the point where no one's gonna be able to afford to send their kids to college or to go to college
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it's just outrageously expensive
[speaker002:] luckily State's the cheap one of the cheap ones
[speaker001:] oh is it well still though I mean you know thousands of dollars
[speaker002:] yeah yeah state's not that bad
[speaker001:] oh well that's good that's good I went to a private university and um
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I I don't know I look back now and I I think that I probably would've done it differently if I um you know could do it over again but um
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I I have a lot of friends that went to state schools or didn't even go to school some some of them and I still feel like they came out knowing just as much as I did I really do and that's probably a pretty sad thing to say but um I don't know I I what
[speaker002:] yeah where'd you go where did you go sorry
[speaker001:] I went to Brandeis University it's in Massachusetts
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and um I I really felt like I've been working now for about four years
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I I feel like what what I've learned working is a hundred times more valuable than what I learned in school
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] and I know that I'm drawing a lot on what I learned in school you know I I probably just subconsciously rely a lot on on learned but um I don't know my sister's a principal at a school and one thing that she's trying to instill in kids um besides just reading and writing um are just some the golden rules she calls them just some basics about um you know you don't take what's not yours
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh and and if you want to you know you don't touch anybody else unless you have their permission like no hitting you know no pulling hair or anything like that
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh the school that she's in is a um it's basically for minorities um there's uh a large minority population and um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] she's really noticed that even some of the teachers that work there I think they don't value that type of student as much as you get in some
[speaker002:] yeah that's sorry that that that they like pick on you know that the advanced stud ents and pay more attention to them ignore the others
[speaker001:] yeah it's true um-hum
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and I don't know if it makes them feel better I mean do teachers get I mean personally I would get more satisfaction out of taking somebody that wasn't as successful
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and seeing what they could do versus somebody that you know did excel in in areas and just watching them get better you know that's not much of a challenge
[speaker002:] yeah that's true
[speaker001:] but are do you have any idea what you're gonna go into when you graduate
[speaker002:] um graduate school yeah
[speaker001:] oh yeah do you know where yo u're going
[speaker002:] I think I'm going to Chapel Hill
[speaker001:] where's that
[speaker002:] that's in Chapel Hill that's the name yeah never heard of the Tarheels
[speaker001:] oh is that North Carolina oh okay no I don't know that area
[speaker002:] the ACC Tarheels UNC
[speaker001:] I don't know it
[speaker002:] oh well
[speaker001:] I don't get down there very often
[speaker002:] they were in the final four don't watch basketball
[speaker001:] oh really well the way I pick the final four was um by the the state that had the warmest climate
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so that's how I chose all mine so you can tell that I didn't really have that much to do with any of it but so obviously you're into education if you can be going my husband went to is in graduate school actually right now
[speaker002:] no yeah uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh I don't know I give you a lot of credit I I couldn't do it I I couldn't wait to graduate and have it be all over
[speaker002:] yeah I know ah I can't wait to graduate either now I got all these stuff due oh wow
[speaker001:] I know yeah I kind of know what you mean
[speaker002:] overloaded
[speaker001:] well it was really nice talking to you okay good luck alrighty take care bye-bye
[speaker002:] all right all right thank you all right bye