[speaker002:] okay so what kind of luck you been having with buying and returning gifts products
[speaker001:] uh not too bad really um I had a razor that I got for Christmas that I just I really didn't want it but I got it anyway and uh it was a Braun and they were real good about taking it back it wasn't a problem at all so uh I was able to get that back pretty easily
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but uh I don't know I really haven't returned a whole lot lately have you
[speaker002:] I haven't had to it's uh the every so often I mean I I I'm almost pushing it myself maybe I'll buy a shirt from GI Joe's and it shrinks too much and say well I should have known better I mean I bought it from GI Joe's and it was probably made in China by slaves
[speaker001:] um right
[speaker002:] but uh they uh most of the time pretty careful shopping anyway I get pretty good stuff I think that uh aside from the fact all markets being internationalized and if you want to buy American it takes real extra work to find
[speaker001:] yeah right like exactly I was reading
[speaker002:] and it's probably a Japanese or a Burmese company owning and hiring people in the US
[speaker001:] right I was reading something in uh Consumer Reports tonight about that as a matter of fact they were talking about cars uh the car issue just came out and about how yeah you'd like to buy an American car maybe but uh you know the transmission may be made in Japan or whatever
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] um like I've got an eighty six Ford Ranger and and I know for a fact that the transmission is made by Mitsubishi you know so it's like what are you going to do you know
[speaker002:] huh yeah really
[speaker001:] but uh that's the way it is I don't know I I personally feel that uh uh if the Japanese cars are better and Americans buy them you know that's the way it goes and you know people manufacturers American manufacturers should get a clue and you know they should start making quality products and
[speaker002:] yeah I think they're beginning to the the days of don't buy a car made on a Monday or a Friday are pretty much going away and
[speaker001:] that's what I thought too until I saw the Consumer Reports issue uh they've got all the American well all the cars all the cars rated you know and uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] essentially I haven't I don't see much of a trend I mean just like every other time that you look at it the Honda Accords and the Civics are right up there there's nothing wrong with them uh and the same thing with most of the other Japanese cars but then again you look at a Ford or especially a Chevy and they're pieces of junk you know
[speaker002:] oh know still at it hey
[speaker001:] yeah that's ninety that's eighty six through ninety one but uh I don't know maybe maybe they're getting better maybe they're starting to get a clue uh
[speaker002:] wow well they got a three year lead time it probably won't start really showing up until ninety four or so
[speaker001:] yeah that's just it technology that that comes in right now is is probably not going to be implemented implemented until you know quite a few years down the road but uh
[speaker002:] hm the computer industry's where it's really dynamic especially for the consumer
[speaker001:] oh yeah because technology is so uh you know volatile and changing all the time uh
[speaker002:] and can you think of any other industry where in software they uh if the product is upgraded and a better version is put out you'll get a free version in the mail it's like here
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] or uh maybe they say well you we know you paid five hundred bucks for this program so send us twenty and we'll give you a really great upgrade
[speaker001:] yeah it uh they they keep up good with it pretty quickly and that's that's a real good thing I guess
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] um I don't know
[speaker002:] and the hardware well I mean all the chips that make up the hardware are a commodity and the Macintosh is about the only one that's going it's right forcing IBM and the rest of the DOS world to follow along
[speaker001:] yeah right they're kind of the leaders right now you know I used to see all those commercials for Windows you know and you're like oh gee they're reselling a Macintosh under a different name
[speaker002:] really why don't they just say almost a Mac for half the price they could sell more if they were honest
[speaker001:] yeah you know almost exactly almost is the key word there too you know because I I really I've used both and I really don't see an advantage of Windows at all uh
[speaker002:] yeah it it's only an advantage for people who had to use pure DOS
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that's just it
[speaker002:] I mean that's their client base
[speaker001:] but uh I don't know I'm really I've gotten a little bit out of the the personal computer business just because I don't have one at home I I do use a Mac at work but uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh I really don't don't do much with it at home but uh
[speaker002:] Apple's sort of making a and they're ones were growling consumer uh need to worry about the Mac they're getting like if you bought a power book straight off a lot of them had to go back they issued a recall because of improper shielding or possibly other problems with the floppy drive
[speaker001:] right uh-huh yeah you sound like you must uh work in the computer business
[speaker002:] yeah I have one I do desktop publishing at work and I have a machine at home and I belong to the user's group and I I've been a Mac fanatic since they came out
[speaker001:] yeah all right
[speaker002:] but uh technically I'm not actually in the industry I don't work for a computer company I'm an abuser
[speaker001:] no well that's that's all right
[speaker002:] but it's sort of like surfing on the wave of future shock to you know keep up with the changes as they happen
[speaker001:] yeah that's true something that I find uncomfortable is you know you you want to buy something say you want to buy a personal computer and you got to think about what kind of memory you want to get and what kind of technology that you want to go for you know let let's take the example of a modem for you know
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] okay what what what baud rate do you get well you know it used to be that you get a twelve hundred baud