[speaker001:] well I guess there's a lot of uh complex issues here some of which are moral and some are um  more logistical as to the merits capital punishment I suppose the uh the moral ones are are the more nebulous when it comes to trying to discuss and the logistic ones I guess are uh I suppose a reasonable default on um issues the moral issue would be just let everybody live and not um not try and make those kind of judgmental errors but that goes and affects the logistical ones in that now you have to care for somebody that you otherwise wouldn't have to I suppose that might actually be a uh pretty rude way of rude way of looking at it though
[speaker002:] oh yeah I guess it has to do with uh what anger revenge
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] oh what human life is worth and whether or not you can rehabilitate somebody
[speaker001:] yep yeah those are all good ones I suppose uh another one is um if you do decide that it's uh you know you want to do this is somebody capable of making the judgment rationally you know do we have the um do we really have that ability to go out and judge somebody's crime all these circumstances and other stuff and weigh it
[speaker002:] you mean do we have the right or are you talking logistical here
[speaker001:] can we really do it are we are we that good that we can really do it it's like uh like nuclear power plants you know it's a great idea but logistically we just haven't been able to get our act together well enough to
[speaker002:] well that I think you can take that nice simple nice simple nice problematical logistical argument and say well are you morally able to make a mistake you know what what is uh is it all right to guess wrong once in a while
[speaker001:] um yeah yeah
[speaker002:] and if it's if it's not acceptable to ever make a mistake you know ever sentence somebody to death that shouldn't be
[speaker001:] yeah exactly
[speaker002:] then uh you can't use the death penalty
[speaker001:] yeah or shouldn't
[speaker002:] well yeah okay
[speaker001:] shouldn't be using it there's a lot of can'ts and shouldn'ts and don'ts and stuff that seem to be pretty well ignored these days um
[speaker002:] so what are they doing down in uh Georgia
[speaker001:] well Evan uh I suppose they do have the death penalty down here I don't know if um if they executed anybody on it recently I don't think so uh I don't know you know it's gotten to the point where something like that if I see it in the paper or hear about it it's just kind of like in one ear and out the other some state recently executed somebody where was that Texas
[speaker002:] oh  I haven't heard about any lately uh Florida was doing a few weren't they
[speaker001:] yeah what kind of crimes is it that they usually do this for murders big murders
[speaker002:] uh yeah usual serial killers or multiple murders like if uh you know somebody kills a family or
[speaker001:] yeah yeah what did they uh give Jeffrey Dahlmer what did they do to him
[speaker002:] didn't they lock him away in a uh psychological ward
[speaker001:] uh that would make too much sense
[speaker002:] no no they didn't they didn't they just let sent him to prison that's right
[speaker001:] yeah yeah seemed to me it was a relatively senseless thing to do with somebody that was so rare something kind of wasteful not that um not that we need more or anything like that yeah that was a bizarre case and I guess are they did the government federal government pass some recent um regulation something about for certain certain crimes uh if um there's a gun involved or something like that the death penalty is automatic or is there something like that out there
[speaker002:] uh well there's something like that and there's always proposals to uh make punishment nastier
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know or whenever somebody gets off lightly somebody visible gets off lightly they you know the judge has what like a range of sentences he can give like three to ten
[speaker001:] yeah there's some real yeah they're they're often does seem to be backlash against light things
[speaker002:] and he gets the
[speaker001:] I guess occasionally there's some about harsh stuff one harsh sentence that I kind of liked was uh Jim Bakker getting forty five years that's that seemed like justice but it seems they reevaluated his sentence or resentenced him or something like that I don't know if they changed it
[speaker002:] yeah there's a general impression that uh these snakes get off eventually uh like Klaus Von Bulow
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] who will I guess