[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] hi okay you wanna start
[speaker001:] hi um yeah sure um I think I think we should have a balanced budget even if it means that services are dramatically cut back if you can't pay for it you shouldn't have it period
[speaker002:] that is very true however our whole economy is based on loans
[speaker001:] and that's just um-hum
[speaker002:] uh uh but but right this moment you probably have several loans out or you have borrowed money against your credit card or something
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] master charge
[speaker001:] I don't have a master charge thank you
[speaker002:] but uh see that our whole system is built on on owing on borrowing
[speaker001:] right but that's the problem see as our system shouldn't be based on owing and borrowing and all that
[speaker002:] uh true but uh uh uh without it people wouldn't be able to own automobiles or they wouldn't be able to own a house
[speaker001:] yes they would they just wouldn't be able to own the kind of automobiles that they think they deserve to own or the kind of homes that we think we deserve to own we might have to you know just be able to I think if we a generation went without debt then the next generation like if if our our generation my husband and I we're twenty eight if we lived our lives and didn't become you know indebted like you know our generation before us that um the budget would balance and that we became accustomed to living with what we could afford which we wouldn't be destitute I mean we wouldn't be living on the street by any means but just compared to how spoiled we are we would be in our own minds but I feel like the generation after us would oh man it it would be so good it would be so much better it wouldn't be perfect but then they could learn to live with what what they could afford to save to buy and if you want a nicer car than that well you save a little longer
[speaker002:] well now I agree uh I agree with you one hundred percent I'm just taking the other side just so we'll have a discussion
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] here uh but I still go right back to what I said when is the last time you had uh fifteen thousand dollars all at one time to go out and buy an automobile
[speaker001:] but see I we made poor choices in college we took out two both of us had twenty thousand dollars in loans for student loans
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I look back on that and I bought shoes I went shopping I did not need that money I did not need it I didn't need it I shouldn't have even qualified to get it I didn't need it and it would have been a little rough I might have eaten some bologna instead of roast beef out of the deli but I did not need it and as I look back now now we're paying that back I told my son if you have to live in the ghetto to go to college do it but don't take out ten thousand dollars in loans don't do it and I don't I hope don't think he'll have to do that but I just so like we might if we didn't have those loans we could have saved in the last five years the money for that and I believe we would have because God's really put it in our heart not to get in debt you know but we have friends at church that do this on a constant basis that are totally debt free and they pay cash for everything they buy
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] including new vans and so so I guess I've seen it done and I know you can do it you know but you have to drive that old car until you get that money saved up for that new van and that's where Americans don't like to do it and so and we don't want to cut back our services from the government because we're spoiled
[speaker002:] well I have one way to suggest reducing the budget
[speaker001:] what
[speaker002:] very simple just take all these civil service employees and and uh uh take some of those holidays away from them like Columbus Day President's Day I mean they get they get all these days off now give them
[speaker001:] I know yeah
[speaker002:] what a a week I think we here at TI get a total of eleven a year
[speaker001:] I know um-hum
[speaker002:] and that's about uh three or four less than civil servants get
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] now just look at that money the government could save if they didn't have all of those days off all those holidays
[speaker001:] yeah that is true because I always think the mail never comes on these days and you're like well what is it you don't even know it's a holiday
[speaker002:] well now don't forget the mail is something else again that has nothing they're not civil servant people
[speaker001:] but isn't that federal in the federal budget
[speaker002:] no no they have their own budget they go by
[speaker001:] but isn't it part of our income it's not part of our taxes
[speaker002:] no you know that's why the price price of mailing a letter keeps going up
[speaker001:] it's not that's why it keeps going up huh that's another topic
[speaker002:] you know I could I can remember the days when it only cost three cents to mail uh uh uh a letter
[speaker001:] those stamps are valuable now
[speaker002:] yeah they probably hey I ought to go looking through some of my old mail
[speaker001:] that's funny yeah and that is a good short term thing though that little things like that that overall though I just think we're just going to I don't know see I know I guess I'm kind of leery of this topic because I know that Bush is real for the new world order the one world government and alleviating all you know national debt between all of the nations but I see that to be a potential power problem later with um who's going to be in charge with this new world order and I you know I'm uncomfortable with that much power being in one place but I know we already have a new money system we already have new bills printed for the US Treasury already has our new bills printed for new currency and I mean I've seen them and so I know that the long-term vision for the US government is to alleviate all national debts and to start over afresh but I'm concerned with whose going to have the power over this new world order that they keep talking about you know that's a lot of power for one or two people to have and so um I guess because I I guess I feel like I know what their long-term vision is I'm kind of like you know yeah the only answer is to start over or to totally change our lifestyles and I don't think Americans are willing to do it
[speaker002:] well what about uh uh sending all this money overseas supporting other governments third world governments how do you feel about that
[speaker001:] I don't I don't feel we should loan them money if I I wish our leaders were really seeking the Lord on these things and if we feel led to give a country money to help them fine but I don't feel we should be loaning money like that I mean it doesn't work are they gonna
[speaker002:] well in so many cases it's not a loan it's just a give a giveaway
[speaker001:] but it's not but it's not set up as a giveaway if it were set up as giveaway and it was something that I mean our our President and our leaders could be seeking God saying God is it your will for us to bless this nation with this money is it your will this money and your will for us to give to them and I believe if we gave it no strings attached that God would bless our nation but because we're our motive is interest our motive is not pure it just backfires I mean none of these nations have paid us back it be do you understand it's I guess it's a principle of giving and receiving you give it no strings attached and they may never give you anything back but because there's no strings attached it like gives them a freedom to give us something back and it might not be money it might be um no taxes on our things our computers going into their nation it might come back in another way but it would be come back bu t because we're loaning it I think that's the problem and I don't mean give it to everybody that asks use a lot of discernment don't give money to every nation you know what I'm saying I think we're loaning money to too many nations but I think if we gave to a few select ones that really needed it that it would work out better for us and for them and so now we have all these nations that owe us all this money and so I just think we're never going to get that back you know do you understand
[speaker002:] no that that's true I I understand that France still owes us money from World War I
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh World War II debts have never been repaid I think the US just wrote them all off
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and said well we'll cancel it just like they did to the that Polish debt here uh last week
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] uh uh half the countries in the world simply canceled the Poland debts to help them
[speaker001:] right long what long term though do you think it would be best to see an a one world you know you can't alleviate all national debts or do you think it would be better for our leaders to just start seeking God on how to turn our nation around financially that's my opinion my opinion's the latter
[speaker002:] uh-huh well uh I've got to respect your opinion you have some uh solid ideas
[speaker001:] um-hum I know but what's yours do you agree or do you disagree or I mean what do you think long term
[speaker002:] well I don't believe in a single government or a single control for the world
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh that's asking for trouble people are too different
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I mean you could travel from one coast to the other here in the US and find tremendous differences between the peoples they have their own ideas how things should be run
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so therefore I don't believe there could be a single government for the whole world there's too many societies involved uh the language barriers
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh oh sure they somebody said years ago well let's make it English uh an international uh language
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] that's a big laugh we can't even make English a a national language here in our country
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] we've got too many uh uh uh immigrants
[speaker001:] yeah yeah um
[speaker002:] they don't call them immigrants anymore that was back during my granddaddy's day
[speaker001:] yeah different ethnic groups
[speaker002:] a well yes yeah but uh
[speaker001:] yeah I know what you're saying
[speaker002:] my grandfather came over from Lithuania back uh just before the turn of the century
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh as a matter of fact he's a draft dodger
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] he uh was supposed to serve some time well he did serve his time in in the uh the militia
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and he came back he was a civilian again and his father said well if you