[speaker001:] well uh my opinion on taxation well could being in New York state where taxes are high and services are low
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] I guess I'd have to say I don't think we're getting our money's worth as far as uh the tax system is concerned I think a lot of it is going to waste on uh services services that aren't necessary and uh out-of-date ideas that just don't make sense anymore in these times
[speaker002:] yeah I I have to agree I'm uh right now I'm in Atlanta in Atlanta but I grew up and am from uh Utica New York so uh I understand and I agree with the uh New York situation situation
[speaker001:] hm yeah it's as a matter of fact they recently in our county here our state sales tax has been seven percent
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] pretty much forever well they've just decided now when our county where I am is looking at upping the tax rate to eight percent to try and close a deficit uh that they've found in the county budget here and uh
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you know between the increases in the sales tax and of course we have the high state tax
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] now we have to look into the possibility of you know it if it isn't from the Bush administration with user fees it's more direct taxation
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I don't know what the taxes are like down in Georgia
[speaker002:] well it's um it's kind of tough to tell I haven't really got no good feel for it yet the um I've been down here for only like six months so it um they're not I don't think they're quite as bad as they are in New York state I guess is my opinion right now um there is like there are there's a tax on food here which is you know a little bit different because they don't have that up there and and other than that right now they're starting to realize that their taxes are low but they also realize that they still have to make sure their roads are paved and so on so they're starting to talk about um raising like instead of registering or uh getting your license which costs five dollars now they decide to well maybe we should charge forty dollars for it
[speaker001:] well they just did that up here too it Mario Mario raised it
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] up here um considerably and you know we've had our road road road taxes and gas tax the gas tax was such a Utica boondoggle being from Utica you probably
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] um remember when they put that into effect and how that was going to save our roads and what it did is it all went to New York City to refurbish that subway disaster
[speaker002:] yeah that would right of course of course no that seems like we're in from New York state I guess you're you're pretty much your main concern is yes you sit there and to allow um you know taxes like crazy and all you do is see all the money go in a big funnel towards New York City
[speaker001:] well yeah it's you you know roads this year have been especially bad they um here in Rochester they've now because to save tax money and that they have turned off the expressway lights at night
[speaker002:] oh yeah um-hum yeah they've been talking about doing that here too but they haven't they've almost been able to push it through but people started complaining and
[speaker001:] well they just shoved it through here and you know to hell with people and uh put it into effect and then suddenly of course you know ever since every day in the newspaper here it's
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] people complaining you know well it was only saving two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year it's just we're paying good tax money for this and
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] they turned it off yet they're still giving money to all these bizarre things in New York City the roads aren't any better here
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and uh even the town here where I am in um the taxes have increased again I mean they just can't push property taxes any higher that's why they're looking at this sales tax business now
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that's down here they're um that I'm amazed at the one cheap thing down here is gas I'm not sure what the price is up there but that down here it's only like eighty nine cents per per gallon
[speaker001:] oh that's not moving you know that Mario up here is we're I just filled up tonight it was a dollar it's a dollar fifteen nine a gallon
[speaker002:] yeah I was home over at Christmas break and it was I saw the gas prices and it was like boy what a switch
[speaker001:] well you know we also have a somewhat of a monopoly here of the gas suppliers you know anywhere else in the state it's uh probably a nickel less but they say it's going to increase around the summer time to a dollar twenty five up here
[speaker002:] yeah oh sure yeah
[speaker001:] which is insane
[speaker002:] yep well as soon as they get near Memorial Day people start traveling and everyone knows it so we've got to raise the gas prices
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] oh well it's it's it's interesting topic coming two days from tax day
[speaker002:] yes I know I and I just I actually had filed earlier and I got my refund tonight actually small but small but uh I got it back anyway
[speaker001:] yeah we're  we're just sitting down tonight to get ours filled out we're going to do it we're going to do it and we're going to get we were doing software to do it and then you know put off put it off put it off
[speaker002:] oh oh yeah yep
[speaker001:] now tonight being two days left
[speaker002:] yeah well it's pretty pretty frustrating when you see the whole situation it doesn't seem as though
[speaker001:] okay