[speaker002:] well I tell you what uh my my uh notion of camping is uh uh well I haven't been very far out see I've been in the uh hill country that's about as far as I've gone as far as camping so I haven't done any really really rough rugged camping but uh yeah to me it's the uh pitching a tent and I mean we we're talking real roughing it no cabin no johns nothing just being out there in the woods yeah that's it exactly no uh I don't
[speaker001:] Boy Scout huh yeah do you do you backpack car camp
[speaker002:] no actually the only camping I ever did was was when I was a scout and uh as much as I would like to you know to do it I you know don't really have the time right now but I've got two young boys and I'm waiting for them to get a little bit older then we'll start doing some camping
[speaker001:] my son's twelve and he's in the Boy Scout and he went on his first backpack five miles I've gone with him on uh some other things where we
[speaker002:] oh great
[speaker001:] we kind of called it car camping where the car is you know a hundred feet away or something
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but I did not go on the backpack I'm uh my back wouldn't allow me to carry that so
[speaker002:] oh I see
[speaker001:] he got the backpack in and carried the whole thing and do it the Boy Scout way and he came back tired and wore out but what I didn't my scouting was not as involved as I'd want I got the star and that was it
[speaker002:] um-hum  yeah
[speaker001:] but I'm hoping he'll go all the way his troop is very active and there's about as many dads involved as going out camping and canoeing as there are boys so
[speaker002:] that's great yeah that's great
[speaker001:] it's an important part are you involved in Indian Guides or Indian Princess with your children
[speaker002:] no not yet but I'll tell you I I know I was when I was smaller I started out Indian Guides and then went into Cub Cub for a very short time
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and then we kind of I kind of got away from it for a while and then uh when I got back into it again I was ready for for Boy Scouts and I joined joined the Scouts but I tell you I I sure uh recommend it for any any any young boy girl too I mean I I really enjoyed my time in the Scouts
[speaker001:] does we've done rent a tent in Arkansas once where it was a state park and they have very nice manicured
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] well paved park and beautiful uh uh bathrooms within walking distance and you rent a site and they rent a tent that's and you put your tent well one tent's already up
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and that's not very rough at all you have electricity and running running water right there but uh
[speaker002:] yeah I think for a family outing it's good uh but you know if you're with a bunch of uh preteen and and young teenagers who really want to rough it yeah I I'd recommend going the old backpack method
[speaker001:] you mentioned the word rough my idea of rough my wife's idea of roughing it is if the town only has one Holiday Inn to choose from and she just feels like she's being imposed upon
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh I kind of at my age I kind of like the car car car uh camping
[speaker002:] yeah I can understand that
[speaker001:] uh uh my sister and her husband uh their children are out of college by gosh they're already into this uh well car camping plus they will leave the car a few miles away
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] and uh but they're they're they're enjoying that so uh we've gone cabin camping in Colorado
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum
[speaker001:] uh where there's a uh you you uh have all the conveniences but you camp in the cabin and that's not camping at all in your opinion
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] well I hope you find more places to go camping
[speaker002:] yeah I'm really looking forward to it you know I I really did enjoy my experience and I I'm hoping my boys' ll enjoy it as much as I did
[speaker001:] have you checked checked into the State Park system
[speaker002:] no not yet but I tell you I I know my wife she hasn't she really wasn't uh well her family they used to go camping quite a bit when she was younger then as she got older they kind of stopped going and and she's expressed interest in going and doing some camping so
[speaker001:] sleeping on the ground that whole bit huh
[speaker002:] but probably yeah probably not that rough we're probably talking probably tents
[speaker001:] screened in shelters work her up to screened in shelters that's a good place to start from in a yeah a cot and then slowly break her in I don't think my wife would even consider going to a tent camp again at all it's just
[speaker002:] yeah with cots with with cots yeah and
[speaker001:] one time we did go that thing uh there we came back from an event and turned the lights on around the camp site and there's a skunk right
[speaker002:] um-hum oh no
[speaker001:] and without thinking I picked up a stick and threw it at it as it as it was starting to voluntarily walk away why I didn't let it but I threw a stick at it
[speaker002:] uh-oh
[speaker001:] it turned around and if a skunk give you a dirty look it did and I said I done made a mistake I said please skunk go on and he looked looked at me a little bit more then wandered on off very very slowly as my wife and children headed for the nearest tent to uh people we'd go down to the coast every now and then and we've noticed some people camp out on the beach on public beaches and uh
[speaker002:] yeah really I didn't know you can do that
[speaker001:] uh public beaches State of Texas beaches not where it's city owned property
[speaker002:] oh oh not like Corpus