[speaker001:] okay we're talking about capital punishment
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] how do you feel about that Lenore
[speaker002:] I am very much for capital punishment
[speaker001:] well wonderful I am too one hundred percent
[speaker002:] my dad retired from the federal prison of bureaus and I've been raised around
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] prison prisons all my life and I believe if you don't have a punishment befitting the crime there's not any deterrent
[speaker001:] all your life huh uh-huh there's no deterrent that's right there's just no deterrent
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] and so many of those kind of people uh they got they have a better life in prison than they have on the street anyway so you know unless they really make it rough on them that's not a going to prison for a little while is not much of a deterrent I don't think
[speaker002:] especially not a federal prison
[speaker001:] right well I don't know what the Oklahoma's laws are but Texas is I don't know our I don't know it's it's no ones fault I mean it's not the judges fault I don't think it's just the way the law is down here man our crimes our uh prisons are so crowded that uh they can commit some pretty serious crimes and be set free within a year to two
[speaker002:] well see we were under uh the state prisons were under a mandate to uh it was over crowded and the federal came in and said hey you know you have either got to build more prisons or let people go
[speaker001:] well that's what ours did same thing
[speaker002:] and finally our governor at the time which who is not in office now came in and said okay where we draw the line is no sex offenders will be let loose under early bail you know or early uh out but uh we have
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] the death penalty is not given often
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but there have been
[speaker001:] it's not here either really
[speaker002:] and you know I maybe it should be uh well it should be given you know I I won't say sparingly but I do believe it should be befitting the crime
[speaker001:] I do too and and you know but the way the courts are set up they've they've got so many chances for appeal but I think that I think it needs to be expedited you know if they've been convicted and given them appeal and they're still convicted of of a crime that's deserving of of a lethal injection let's do it and not waste so many years to do it
[speaker002:] right course you know they're they're entitled to a speedy trial
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] but then they're they're also entitled to drag it through the courts for years and years and years on appeals so somehow you know it doesn't really balance out too much
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah that's right somehow it just doesn't it works and then again it takes too long for it to work
[speaker002:] and it seems even though you know that they got the prisoner himself can come to the point that hey I'm tired I just want out
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know I'm tired of fighting it then the system just keeps on
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and at that point you know I I really think there needs to be maybe a shorter
[speaker001:] yeah it it was
[speaker002:] appeal process
[speaker001:] I do too I think that needs to and I don't see why it couldn't be shortened considerably but you know
[speaker002:] well part of that is the overcrowding of the court system
[speaker001:] yeah that's true it is overcrowded because there's so much drug uh problem with the people on drugs because that they with the drugs they're they're robbing and killing and uh that's why it's filled the prisons up so much I think
[speaker002:] uh it doesn't it doesn't help them any at all and course your court system when you get into the appeals
[speaker001:] no it doesn't
[speaker002:] I don't believe criminal is in a court by itself and the whole judicial system is backed up with a lot of junk that shouldn't be in there
[speaker001:] yeah that's true with all these lawsuits and people suing people over things ridiculous things but
[speaker002:] we've gotten into a very litigious uh type of life
[speaker001:] boy haven't that we though we really have but anyway I'm glad to hear that you agree with me on the capital punishment I'm I'm very muchly for it always have been always will be
[speaker002:] well I just I just feel like their crime and punishment and if if you don't have the punishment you double your crime and that you know that is just personal feeling it's not going on facts I think the facts would probably back it up but
[speaker001:] it could be supportive it it's it's supported with facts though
[speaker002:] what
[speaker001:] it could very easily be supported with facts
[speaker002:] well yes I