[speaker001:] I know they have a waiting list and a quota on immigration now
[speaker002:] I've lost track I don't really know I I do have some opinions but go ahead
[speaker001:] yeah um well I know that they're they're real cautious about letting Middle Eastern people into the country now because of all the terrorism what do
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] what what
[speaker002:] okay I hadn't thought about that uh
[speaker001:] what all do you know about it
[speaker002:] uh well I just have an opinion now I didn't think I I thought the terrorism thing was overstated I mean there was nothing over here in fact even this is not our subject I guess but uh or maybe it is or isn't I suppose
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] my wife when she talked about the Middle East and everyone's afraid you know of how the war was going to go and everything I said I said I told her I said no it's just not going to happen there's not going to be any terrorism over here and there wasn't you know they they just didn't have an organization but uh I I concerned I'm concerned that we're letting too many that we don't have enough controls I think that uh the Asian gangsters that we've let in here and if and the guys from uh Cuba you know there there's a lot of criminals down in Florida that we've let in from Cuba that Fidel pushed off on us and uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and and the last you know out of all the Asians we brought in there there's a tremendous criminal element that we let in from from Asia and I think that there's got to be some sort of controls over that I mean this Asia mafia thing is getting out of hand
[speaker001:] that's right um-hum
[speaker002:] I I don't I don't I didn't know what I don't even know what our controls are I don't even know what uh uh we if we have any guidelines at all uh on on immigration um I always thought that we did but I don't I don't I don't I don't know what they are right now
[speaker001:] there I don't think there's much of much of one because I'm sure all the people from Cuba have been released from that camp that they were in
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh most of them it's just like Australia most of them were criminals from Cuba and I think that was just an attempt that that Fidel Castro to undermine you know
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] the United States to some extent so he just released and got rid of all his criminals and sent them to us
[speaker002:] yeah the yeah
[speaker001:] and it's almost the same thing in in uh from Asia because a lot of a lot of them was put out of business in Vietnam after the war and
[speaker002:] because we I I do have some sympathy with uh you know of course we have this big Mexican problem not a problem but I think that we need to do something with uh the immigration of back and across forth across Mexico uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I uh I'm sympathetic I don't know what the answer is I guess I'm sympathetic certainly with that that that they they want to come over here and they I guess hundreds of thousands come over every year to work and if if they have if they have jobs you know I I hear the story about they're taking away American jobs but I don't know uh I don't know how many American jobs they are really taking away I'm so I I'm sympathetic but I don't have an answer I don't uh
[speaker001:] right um-hum
[speaker002:] I think that we should have good relations with with Mexico but that's not really exactly immigration it is and it isn't uh I I don't know to what degree we owe the people who come across before they're citizens owe owe the children education and all that uh although the idea their education is an answer to a lot of problems in the world so
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I guess it's what they their the Mexican kids get a good education along the way maybe that's a benefit to everybody you know
[speaker001:] yeah and uh a lot of the Mexican people just cross the border during the daytime to come over here and work
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and they have green cards and uh then like you said a lot of I run into people every day that can't speak English
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and uh and and most of them you know are working in janitorial positions so
[speaker002:] yeah and that
[speaker001:] so I I don't know you like you said I don't know how much how much they're taking from the work force you know
[speaker002:] yeah I never thought that they were much I do cringe when I hear some of the problems we've had
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh um uh of course you mentioned the language I I feel so bad that we here in Texas or certainly the southern part of the United States uh California Texas and all that just why our kids don't speak fluid Spanish uh by junior high you know um as well as us you know
[speaker001:] hm um-hum
[speaker002:] so that we could wouldn't have a language barrier certainly now that is a shame that we uh have this tremendous border of Mexico and then in Europe you know they they speak their French and all and they try they go out of their way to try to speak their their neighbor's language so they can understand we we certainly we don't really even make an effort
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] to speak Spanish and I feel bad about that uh go ahead
[speaker001:] well that's I yeah I took Spanish in school and that's you know one reason that I did it is because
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] because whenever you travel anywhere near the border you know there more and more people speak Spanish
[speaker002:] yeah I guess it's never too late I I do have some Spanish books and I've always uh every year I say I'm going to try to speak uh some newcomers language you know I don't know if it's costing us any money or how much money they're putting into it uh that's always a factor I mean how much my wife says they how much the federal government is putting into
[speaker001:] well yeah well it's basically on the well I think it's mostly concentrated toward the borders and uh it's more um the immigration is tied in with uh drug trafficking so
[speaker002:] immigration
[speaker001:] they have to watch out who comes in and and they're always finding drugs on you know on the most um innocent looking kind of
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I forgot what they found but a dog found it the other day you know on on the border
[speaker002:] oh yeah oh yeah I I think that certainly is a problem uh I guess our immigration history that's a great subject uh they didn't say to talk about that but that is I mean uh on Ellis Island they you know they're redoing that and going to make it a museum a national museum
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] now that certainly was interesting since all of us had uh ancestors that came over that way or not all but I guess uh I guess if you go back far enough you came over on a uh a boat originally you know but uh a lot of us have parents grandparents my grandparents came over in about eighteen ninety or something like that and I'm sure they came over you know through Ellis Island you know
[speaker001:] that's right yeah
[speaker002:] so uh we all immigrants in one way or or another well we certainly are coming from Europe you know or not
[speaker001:] yeah yeah and one of the one of the things that really gets to me uh about the Mexicans is that um once they have children over here their children are American citizens then
[speaker002:] oh yeah that those were laws are unusual you know
[speaker001:] yeah and then they'll ship the parents back and that leaves the children without any parents so
[speaker002:] yeah that I don't understand I mean uh whose rule is that you know
[speaker001:] and they you know and they and and they just follow the rule no matter you you know so that doesn't seem fair to the children
[speaker002:] yeah sometimes common sense should take over rather than yeah that's a law doesn't sound like it makes any sense at all
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] that you would do it that way
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you would think they could at least get a a a visa or something until they uh got citizenship I'm sure they want to
[speaker001:] yeah and then they granted them amnesty if they could prove when was that and it was in the eighties sometime if they if they could prove they'd been here five years
[speaker002:] oh yeah I heard something about that yeah
[speaker001:] and uh a lot of them had been you know some of them some of them moved back and forth but uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] most of them don't ever want to go back to Mexico especially the way it was then
[speaker002:] oh no oh no I I could see uh you can see why
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I don't know how much immigration we have from Europe and everything what the controls are
[speaker001:] I think most you know like especially the celebrities and everything they just have a uh well they have to get a green card if they're going to do any kind of work you know in the movies and
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and such but most of them have temporary visas
[speaker002:] yeah I guess you can get work visas pretty easily uh
[speaker001:] as long it's like well it's it's a kind of a a bad a bad example but when Rafael Septien took the job with the Cowboys they had to offer his job to any other applicant that could do it
[speaker002:] yeah oh really
[speaker001:] yeah so that you know and that's the thing with the jobs
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and of course no one beat him out so you know
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] he just ruined his own career so
[speaker002:] oh well yeah
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] yeah well it's it's still interesting after all this time that we're probably one of the one of the few countries that people are still you know desperately trying to immigrate to uh although I guess Europe now that the Communism is falling apart that maybe there'll be won't be that much of a rush to get out of all the Communist Communist countries uh I guess Poland now is now a non Communist so
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] maybe not maybe immigration from Europe to here will slowly you know slowly uh change maybe it'll be even out like trade you know so many people will immigrate here in in the twentieth at at the year two thousand so many of the people who will go back overseas you know maybe it'll average out I don't know
[speaker001:] yeah I think so
[speaker002:] it doesn't has doesn't seem so far but
[speaker001:] because there are other uh job uh uh job opportunities in Europe that there aren't here and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know even um like orchestra orchestra players can find a job sometimes in Europe when they can't find one here and um I'm a trumpet player
[speaker002:] um-hum are you a teacher
[speaker001:] uh no I uh I don't anymore I just went to school and I was a music major for a while
[speaker002:] oh really yeah
[speaker001:] but I had a trumpet teacher that played in the Mexico City Symphony so so he had to have a work visa there
[speaker002:] yeah oh
[speaker001:] and of course they had a lot of musicians from from other countries and uh in the Mexico City Symphony
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] but I think um like three out of the four other people in the trumpet section are from Mexico now
[speaker002:] oh really
[speaker001:] but I think the conductor I don't know or one of the conductors is is from another country
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] it's like any other symphony
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know and then and Eduardo Mana's from Mexico so so he had to you know