[speaker001:] uh well let's see
[speaker002:] how many you said yours are all I mean that sounds like an army
[speaker001:] five
[speaker002:] oh lord that is an army I came from a family of six and I have only got two and they're one
[speaker001:] well any number is nice let me tell you
[speaker002:] well I kind of decided that single single children that that that's not parenting that's a hobby but
[speaker001:] yeah it's not as fair to the children either I don't think
[speaker002:] well don't tell that to all my friends they're into quality time I'm just into getting through the day
[speaker001:] oh yeah but sometimes you can hurt them by having too much quality time too
[speaker002:] well I I can I can spot a kid who really you know whose parents spend every quality time with them you know outside of the work day and when I take care of some people's kids you know when they when they have teachers' holidays and that kind of stuff I will take my friends' kids
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] that are usually in day care and you can spot them because they have no idea how to just hang out and mess around
[speaker001:] uh-huh you can tell how to just entertain themselves
[speaker002:] yeah really
[speaker001:] yeah yeah it's a problem for any child and you take one that's used to being uh busy being having something to do all the time it makes a big difference
[speaker002:] it's not a problem for my two they're only eighteen months apart
[speaker001:] uh keeps you busy
[speaker002:] they can they can find things to do and mess around and and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] plot and scheme and everything else so you did all five of yours complete college
[speaker001:] well that's great no our last daughter she didn't want to go to school she's uh but she's married now they built a home just a couple miles from us and
[speaker002:] well how did you go about selecting a college then
[speaker001:] well we didn't do it right all the time with our first boy we persuaded him to start here and I do not always think you should try to make them stay closer to home I think the main thing is to uh right now I feel the main thing is to look at what they're interested in uh and take what they're interested in and then then start looking for schools
[speaker002:] do you think that what they say that they are interested in is at eighteen is going to be what they are ultimately ultimately graduating at
[speaker001:] no not necessarily and but like our oldest boy I think he would have he wanted to go to Embrey Ray Riddle and we talked him into going local here first
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and he only went a few months and then transferred to Pittsburgh he went to aeronautical uh oh just learning to work on engines and that
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh it has to do with airplanes and everything which is what his whole life is and I really wish we would have let him go where he wanted to go originally and he would probably be flying is what he would be doing uh but but right now of course he's he's working for Pratt and Whitney in Connecticut and they build and rebuild uh jet engines
[speaker002:] how about the other four other three who went
[speaker001:] uh the other ones uh the second one she chose we let her go where she wanted to uh we didn't want her to go but she went to Erie to Gannan University uh or Gannan College I'm not sure which it is college I guess uh she went there two years and it was more expensive and she soon realized you know even though she didn't like Clarion she came back and finished at Clarion because it uh saved her quite a bit of money and she got really the same basic education that she wanted
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and our other uh two boys they went to Clarion also and uh did very well there and they've all really got uh they've all really got really good jobs and uh
[speaker002:] when they were like in junior high and high school I mean had they did they have an idea that they were definitely going to go to college and
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh yeah they kind of had that they just expected to go Daphne never went she always said she would never go to college she said I I always thought she'd change her mind you know but she didn't and there's nothing wrong with that you know if college isn't for everybody
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh it it does make a difference in your pay wage income I think it's what they want out of life because if they get an education and are willing to go where the jobs are they can make a you know a much better income
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] like my kids they're all making more than my husband was making when he retired from the state
[speaker002:] yeah I was I was making more than I was making three times what my father was making as an executive in the insurance industry when he retired
[speaker001:] you know that boggles my mind uh-huh uh-huh okay did you go to college
[speaker002:] yes I went uh four years undergrad at University of Nebraska at Lincoln because Lincoln is where where my parents lived and there really
[speaker001:] you did see it makes a difference uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] there really wasn't a choice I mean the finances uh dictated that you had to go there
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] I kind of I am not going to say I resent it but I was well one of the national merit scholarship qualifying and you know one of the Rhodes Scholars kids and the whole bit um
[speaker001:] uh uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] my parents didn't even discuss with me going to college out of state or anyplace else and I just knew that the finances you know would not support it if I had known
[speaker001:] someplace else uh-huh
[speaker002:] how not I'm not going to say easy but how much less difficult than I thought it would be to get a uh scholarship to go anyplace else I think that I
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] would definitely you know have gone now when I finished there then I got a scholarship to go to the Harvard University in Boston and that was uh I think that was probably one of the best things that had ever happened I mean I was
[speaker001:] uh-huh that's great
[speaker002:] taken out of my element you know the the the homogeneous Midwest which is a lovely place to grow up and put into someplace else where people thought differently looked differently sounded differently uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh  uh-huh different life styles yes yeah
[speaker002:] different life style and I think it was probably one of the best things that ever happened to me
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] now my kids I keep saying that uh you know I would like them to go to the best school that they possibly could
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I don't know you know what the realities is going to look like you know we're putting money away already uh but I really think it's important to put these children someplace where in addition to
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you know them getting an education they really need a a you know a socialization away from what they are raised in especially if you lived a pretty insular community and uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] an upper class suburb of Dallas let me tell you
[speaker001:] it's quite a bit different
[speaker002:] it's very different
[speaker001:] see that's the way w e are we're more of a rural type of a area and it does make a difference I they say you shouldn't look at the expense of the college when you are looking
[speaker002:] you should not
[speaker001:] yeah not really because they say a lot of times you get more help
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] with a more expensive college
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and so in the long run if it's really what they want you know they're better off now our children all pretty much borrowed for their school uh we we did all we could
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but they pretty much had to borrow a lot of their money to go