[speaker001:] okay I uh I think in general that the the uh one of the biggest change in in uh the role of women in the last two generations is the fact that because of the uh probably the national debt as a matter of fact but the uh impossibility of of uh making ends meat even in a family that which has a two two parent family
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but many women work out of the home now
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and probably that is the biggest uh change of her role that she now has to um not only be uh mother um nurturer or whatever but she also has to to help earn the earn the income that comes into the home
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh and it has
[speaker002:] oh I I'd agree with you I think that is one of the big big changes
[speaker001:] right it has uh uh has a lot of effect on a family and it can be positive and it can be very negative
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh and uh I think a lot of the problems that we that we have in in school in education a lot of the problems we have in drugs a lot of the problems we have in in uh uh juvenile delinquency whatever probably can be laid right at that door
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[speaker001:] because uh a child who does not have the kind of underpinnings that you can get uh with uh with a parent in the home whether it's the father or the mother
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[speaker001:] uh it just does not have the same kind of opportunities as the one who does
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] that's the kind of uh what would it be uh uh calming influence or whatever
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh I think another thing it gives them the feeling of of uh the importance of their position
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] as a child you know and and course most of their problems come from uh lack of ego
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] as opposed to too much ego most of them uh do things because they either want attention or because they they feel that they're not worthy
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and so they they do things that they're not not what the the norm would like them to do
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so that it is always kind of negative
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] what what do you feel about how do you feel about the role of women being a man that make that gives you a different
[speaker002:] well I mean I I I agree with you substantially I think uh I think getting women because of you know declining standard of living we're not living as well as our parents did or making as much money um and um that was probably to a degree true for them I mean it's no longer the case where um many people can afford to have one parent stay at home and raise the kids or whatever so a lot of people are opting not to have kids or both parents are working and you got to rely on things like day care
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] uh to raise the kids and certainly that's not going to be as stable an environment as uh when you do have a parent at home
[speaker001:] yeah I think that's probably
[speaker002:] taking care of them and I I agree with you completely I think that's that's certainly having a lot of effects on our society
[speaker001:] yeah I think so do do you have children
[speaker002:] um no I don't no I'm single
[speaker001:] no
[speaker002:] um but um the I mean I think that's one of the major things and I think that's had a lot of side effects in the way women get treated in society
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um I guess one of the things that we can concern ourselves with is is how things are likely to continue to change uh in the immediate future
[speaker001:] I I think that's probably true I think one of the problems is that that government in their meddling tends to encourage that
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] instead of discourage it instead of giving you a break so that maybe a wife could stay home and do
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] something satisfying in another area you know I I think there are women who need to do things other than just be a mother but I think that's possible
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I mean I don't think that education or anything else starts at school it starts in your head
[speaker002:] um-hum um
[speaker001:] and any anyplace you are you can educate be educated
[speaker002:] I agree with you I agree with you
[speaker001:] and so it it doesn't mean they have to stop doing all the things that they might want to do and uh and so but
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but the environment
[speaker002:] and I don't think it I don't think it even means that all women necessarily have to stay home and raise kids either you know I mean it should be optional
[speaker001:] no no nor do they have to stay home all the time
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] there are lots of ways that they that you can do this but the but the problem is that they have so little choice
[speaker002:] right well I'd like to see for example more flextime in the workplace I mean I think that would certainly help things
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I think that's right I think that would be good
[speaker002:] um a greater acceptance of part-time jobs
[speaker001:] right and have and have and and if if anybody is going to help them decide about uh about day care or something maybe it needs to be something worked out in uh in uh
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] in uh um a workplace
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so that they can their children can go there so that they can see them so that they can have this uh you know during lunchtime or whatever
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] some kind of a better uh contact and more uh a better feeling of of the fact that they are the important thing in this household as opposed to the work
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] schedule being the important thing in this household
[speaker002:] yeah I think there's also a lot of interesting side effects to women having taken a more prominent position in the workplace I think it's changed the workplace in in a lot of respects
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh interestingly enough it also seems to have shortened uh women's life spans so there's
[speaker001:] I would imagine that's right
[speaker002:] there's there's something to be said about you know all the stress related kinds of things that that happen when you do have a full time job
[speaker001:] that's right that's right it's not and and and the the problem is you see that it isn't just the stress of the work but they but they had plenty of stress before
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] now they're just doubling their stress and that's and that's really
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] uh really more than you can take sometimes I think that's true that's true I I think that uh
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[speaker001:] uh there are a lot of really positive things about the changes about uh uh more women going for for uh better educations and uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] all these things I think in uh in a person's life there are a lots of
[speaker002:] they have more freedom
[speaker001:] right and there are lots of of stages of your life where you can do things that you didn't do
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh at some other time that uh if you're better prepared you're going to be able to take advantage of those things maybe later or or maybe during sometimes
[speaker002:] right well I also think there's no longer sort of this predisposition that the woman has to be the caretaker and the upbringer for the children I think that's starting to dissipate
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and I think that's good too I mean there's no reason why the father couldn't do it uh
[speaker001:] yeah that's right I think so too with
[speaker002:] I I agree with you that I think someone needs to do it that's important
[speaker001:] someone needs to do it that's the thing we just we just came from our son just graduated from uh from in his Master's degree and his wife is a nurse and he had just graduated in social services work and uh
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[speaker001:] uh when she went back they just had a a baby in January and when she went back to work she says okay I'll work I'll work five days in two weeks but it has to be the times when he's home
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and so that one of them is taking care of this baby all the time but it's a neat thing to watch because he's as adept at it as she is
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and and equally as comfortable and I think that is a neat thing it it'll it'll be neat for the children too if you can get a relationship like that but where the where the husband is comfortable
[speaker002:] right yeah I think I'm
[speaker001:] doing those things because children badly need more of that
[speaker002:] yep well I I think it will help the kids be better adjusted when they grow up
[speaker001:] badly need more of that that's right badly more well hey it's been good to talk to you
[speaker002:] yeah it's been nice talking to you too
[speaker001:] yeah all right have a good day um-hum bye-bye
[speaker002:] you too bye