[speaker001:] do you think should be done for the the uh huge budget we have
[speaker002:] uh uh well I think the first thing that every every time they talk about it they they say well we can't cut this or we don't need to cut this out of the budget because it's such a small amount in comparison to the overall decifit deficit but I think they need to start doing it I mean the taxes are going to grow so high there's no way we'll ever pay off what we owe now our children is going to pay it
[speaker001:] yeah I know Graham Krugman that guy Krugman was it uh Grudman he's he's not going for we elected him for that uh again and he said that he didn't think that we'd ever be able to have uh balanced budget
[speaker002:] I don't think so they had an article in the paper here the other day about
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] the interest alone in the year two thousand's going to be more than John Kennedy's entire budget
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and when it's it's gone ridiculous now I don't know what's going to happen
[speaker001:] we'll be like California soon right or what or New York
[speaker002:] bankrupt
[speaker001:] yep totally everything yeah the year two thousand that uh we'd be totally dependent on foreign capital and
[speaker002:] I think so like Japan
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh I don't know if that's such a bad thing one so once Japan becomes if we're dependent on them they're most certainly dependent upon us I don't think that the world market would would be as possible for them with out us I mean I don't think Europe is consumer oriented as we are
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] they more or less have to sell to us whether where else would you sell that many Toyotas and Hondas and stuff it'd have to be here
[speaker001:] well you go were the money is and if you don't have the money anymore then that's that
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] I don't know I think the first thing we could do is uh I'd like to see Congress attached to the decifit or you know or
[speaker001:] performance right
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] attach performance
[speaker002:] yeah performance calls like you might have at work or or I might have too
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] certainly do
[speaker002:] you do I do too uh it's uh I don't know why they should be uh unregulated and and over the last twenty years we've strictly gone down hill and the salary's gone up
[speaker001:] well actually their well that's one thing but we also got to change the voting stuff and the uh special interest groups and all that stuff you know we we take a lot of the blame for it we have to start voting we have to start talking we have to start uh doing something about it but we're so apathetic it's almost ridiculous
[speaker002:] well for one thing uh we've got lives to live I mean for us to uh to stay knowledgeable on all these issues it's a full time job
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I mean I go to work every day just like you do I don't I can't sit down and keep up with all of this that's why we elect them
[speaker001:] oh I understand that but we have to go to vote
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] we have to uh participate in political parties or something uh those kinds of things and we don't even do that
[speaker002:] no I I don't even think uh participation would have as far as democrats and republicans go it'd have to be a third party
[speaker001:] oh still I mean we have the right to do it we don't do it that's the whole problem we don't exercise those rights I don't know I think part of the things is maybe a value added tax like what they have in Europe I mean um that would definitely cut down on the consumerism and which really pushes a lot of the uh you know it'd be a good way of getting revenues and all so bring in line towards savings and and putting money into uh instead of spending into investment
[speaker002:] um you know do you sometimes think it's got to a hopeless position now that there's nothing we could do to reverse it
[speaker001:] well I don't know I think if people put their minds to it they can do it it's just a matter of mobilizing uh you know the people that do it it's a very difficult task I'm not saying that any of this is easy
[speaker002:] you know we're we're talking about numbers that I can't even comprehend the numbers were too large for me
[speaker001:] yeah well think about the wars the nuclear situation and all that talking about the numbers of atomic bombs and how many times you can bomb the world over and how incredible that was and now you you know that's coming to a point where that's less likely less and less likely right economic ruling brought that down