[speaker001:] the biggest social change that I've seen in the last ten years is that I you know I'm only twenty four twenty five right just turned twenty five and ten years ago I can remember when it was not common to see two people in a family or household working and getting behind and uh running into economic problems the way things are today um you know today just to get by in many cases you have to have two people working in the middle income house just to stay with where they were in the seventies
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum um-hum I agree with that
[speaker001:] and and it's it's really rough that's probably the biggest thing I've noticed
[speaker002:] well I'd have to take a slightly different thing uh viewpoint uh I'm uh thirty five uh and um uh to me it's something a little more subtle it it's just a prevalence of computer technology and uh everyday life I mean I can remember when everything was still done by by hand by paper by hand as opposed to computer generated paper now
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um you know uh before uh you know when uh clerks in grocery stores uh actually had to be able to add things up and in their head and check it which is plusses and minuses there I guess
[speaker001:] yeah I remember when we were going to the grocery store when I was younger those big monstrosity cash register
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah
[speaker001:] with the greens buttons the rows and rows
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum and it was actually quite and art form to see some of the you know older or or more experienced cashiers go you know fly through that is like those Japanese hippies see what the abacus is still
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh so uh maybe that's just a different viewpoint uh but uh I just remember everything well just writing a letter for for work you know I mean in word processor you know we can to me I can't even image now how they even produced books or letters before word processors you know then we'd have to through fifty iterations at least the way I write letters and things
[speaker001:] yeah I I found all through school you know you write your hand to death you go through pens and uh I'm actually because I have two computers here I'm actually loosing the ability to write by hand and feel comfortable doing it it's too slow I think the speed of the computer I think much faster because I can type much faster than I can actually write now
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and I what happens is words will drop out of writing and I'll go back because I'm thinking so I'm thinking at the speed that I type on the computer
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and you know we didn't have that problem ten years ago and then we didn't have fax machines and we didn't have to you know press one if you want to be directed to the service department press two
[speaker002:] right yeah I you know I I I don't even write any more mainly because uh well I can type faster like you can and also my handwriting is legible I can't I can't blame it on that printer most of the time so
[speaker001:] it's it's incredible you know I remember I started on a Commodore sixty four in ninety eighty six that was my first computer and today I'm on a three eight six thirty three and it's too slow you know I can't wait
[speaker002:] yeah hey same here same here yeah we
[speaker001:] it's got to go faster you know
[speaker002:] well we're getting greedy I guess but uh well with regarding to your comment I I have to agree with that too there's a prevalence of uh of uh two income households that uh you never really saw before although I probably on the exception of that my both my parents did work but most of my friends parents when I was growing up
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] the mother did not and uh it's simply not the case and uh to to keep the uh bank that owns your house happy the bank that owns both your cars happy and the bank that owns your credit card happy you do have to I think my wife in fact uh started to work part-time now because we'd started out we got married she had not uh uh wanted to work uh after we had our first kid and I said fine but now paying for these kids she's she's had to back to work part-time
[speaker001:] oh yeah up here up here in Rochester almost everybody works for Kodak or Xerox and ten ten years ago you were always assured of having a job
[speaker002:] um yeah I remember that
[speaker001:] and now you you know I my grandfather worked for his entire life for Kodak my father the same thing but now everyone's worried and and uh you can't rely on that kind of thing anymore everything sped up so fast and there's no more old-fashioned reliability in things anymore the way pace the pace has changed
[speaker002:] I remember when I got out of college which was seventy eight people said now if you get a job with General Motors or AT&T or IBM you're set for life
[speaker001:] um-hum not after AT&T's going to let go fifty thousand people I I'm uh constantly putting stuff up in telecom from the CWA the union there and they're letting people go like crazy it's just it they're replacing them with computers
[speaker002:] well you plus you know you know after the uh divestiture or well break up