[speaker001:] hi this is David from Florida
[speaker002:] hi Lee from New York
[speaker001:] Lee
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] okay uh
[speaker002:] yeah it snowed this morning and it was all gone by noon
[speaker001:] oh wow so it's getting warmer up there then huh
[speaker002:] well I don't know yeah I guess it's not really cold
[speaker001:] it's it's cooling off down here it's going to get down to probably around sixty tonight so
[speaker002:] oh shucks
[speaker001:] yeah just as beautiful during the day though  I work down here for Pratt Whitney
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and I heard about this over the TechNet on the uh on the computer there at work we get uh electronic mail all the time
[speaker002:] like the usenet news groups
[speaker001:] uh not news groups no not really I'm an engineer there
[speaker002:] oh yeah I saw it on uh something called Comp DCom Telecom
[speaker001:] okay yeah and what do you do
[speaker002:] um I'm a county engineer I look mostly at sewage
[speaker001:] oh okay okay well it's getting kind of late so you want to get started here we're going to talk about taxes I guess
[speaker002:] uh oh yeah
[speaker001:] you probably talk all night about this okay
[speaker002:] well we'll see
[speaker001:] okay then uh you want to go ahead and start or do you want me to go ahead and start when we
[speaker002:] hey whatever you like
[speaker001:] okay I'll I'll I'll let you go ahead and start and then I'll I'll press the one now are you ready here we go
[speaker002:] okay all right taxes well I think uh people are not getting the money's worth and number two I think people aren't willing to pay good money for a decent value so I got to blame everyone on that
[speaker001:] oh you why why do you think uh we're not getting our money's worth
[speaker002:] well I think there's uh some entrenched greed in general mismanagement in government hey I work for the government I
[speaker001:] you probably see the waste first hand then
[speaker002:] well we've you know we've got a lot of people who are dedicated and trying to do a good job but we've also got a lot of people that think the world owes them a living and you know they don't want to do anymore than they've
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know than they did last week or they don't want to do any more than the least they can possibly do they have no pride no pride at all
[speaker001:] yeah right well the the thing that makes me angry about paying taxes I don't mind paying it for services you know for defense uh the country and uh and and for services like roads and for sewage and and for basic water and stuff but when we got to pay for uh some of these people that are on welfare and stuff that's when I get uh I get pretty mad uh I mean I think a lot of that is wasted
[speaker002:] yeah well there's a lot of money in that and where there's a lot of money there tends to be a lot of uh what is it uh greed deceit mismanagement
[speaker001:] yeah right I it
[speaker002:] who was it who wrote Animal Farm George Orwell
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] absolute power corrupts absolutely
[speaker001:] yes yeah that's that's that's that's true uh I'm not sure what to do about it though uh you know this is a big election this year and everything we all these guys running for president and uh
[speaker002:] I uh it seems to me that there's this uh basic idea that you shouldn't let people starve to death and that you should have some sort of Christian charity toward them
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and that uh people just aren't willing to let people starve to death in the streets if they don't want to work
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and uh therefore they're not willing to change the systems I got another theory if you want to hear it it's not really mine just that the uh the powers that be mainly you and me
[speaker001:] what's that
[speaker002:] are keeping this whole class of people poor and helpless just so they're out of the way
[speaker001:] no no I don't I don't think we are do do
[speaker002:] well we're definitely keeping them poor and down trodden and helpless
[speaker001:] um I I don't agree with that
[speaker002:] you don't think the welfare system fosters a whole class of people that
[speaker001:] oh you mean by us paying taxes is a poor step we are doing that indirect oh yes I agree I think that's the way the well yes I I do agree with that
[speaker002:] yeah I I mean it it it okay light misunderstanding
[speaker001:] yeah I I thought you but I personally was doing that no I I don't think we're standing in the way but I think that the way the welfare system is set up yes it does kind of foster that kind of an attitude with people
[speaker002:] whoa
[speaker001:] when they can just sit around their porches all day and uh still get a check at the end of the week I think that's uh pretty pitiful especially when they're able bodied people
[speaker002:] yeah and uh you know I sort of I feel a bit guilty about that because uh you know I vote and uh I'm not agitating against it I'm not agitating for it that's for damn sure can I say that on this
[speaker001:] yeah well the you know the the thing is we get these people in there that are like career politicians and they're grieved by so many people and they're