[speaker001:] so uh
[speaker002:] does your company do any sort of drug testing
[speaker001:] yeah they do do random drug testing I I work in the defense industry
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and so they're they're they're pretty concerned about something like that although in my mind I don't I don't like the idea of having a having like a hit squad come in
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and suddenly like you know put my employment on the line over uh my lifestyle choices considered
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I I don't think considering I don't think it affects my job and like nobody um nobody's life is at at risk I don't think they should really care what I do in my spare time
[speaker002:] um-hum so what are they worried about are they worried about I mean do you is this a secure environment you're in
[speaker001:] I think I'm not I'm not really sure I think that they're worried that you might uh if if if you're a drug addict you could probably compromise government secrets or something like that
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I I think it's a pretty conservative approach to you know uh uh things I think it's like a fifties approach to a to a an an eighties or nineties lifestyle you know I I don't know I think drugs are pretty pervasive in our society
[speaker002:] uh yeah and not to mention the legal ones which they don't even care about
[speaker001:] and yeah well also I what I think is a a problem is that there's a there's a lot of things out there that will actually make let you test positive for drugs when you're you're not even
[speaker002:] um-hum uh-huh
[speaker001:] like not even on drugs
[speaker002:] right and you'll be penalized I mean you could lose your job very easily
[speaker001:] right I did you see that thing on uh 60 Minutes about the uh the Air Force pilot who um they there was a mistake at the lab
[speaker002:] no
[speaker001:] and oh it was on in 60 Minutes there was a mistake at the lab and he he tested he was a B fifty two bomber pilot
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] and he he tested positive and he it ruined his career he
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] he uh he was drummed out of the Air Force and he spent I think something like seven years working you know before he was able to work his way back through the the courts to be uh you know I guess it's called exonerated
[speaker002:] I guess so right
[speaker001:] but by then his career is was was ruined because
[speaker002:] oh yes his life is over at that point
[speaker001:] yeah he's he he was seven years and it was just like it it was a an accident
[speaker002:] yeah I've read things that talk about the number of false or negatives
[speaker001:] and  uh-huh
[speaker002:] to the number of false positives and you know the number of people you're going to hurt while accomplishing you know whatever you think you're accomplishing is really quite high
[speaker001:] yeah oh you know but I but I also uh you know you read things about uh like train car conductors
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh which you think of the
[speaker002:] you like the ticket takers
[speaker001:] well no I'm talking about like the guy no I'm I'm talking about the the engineers now that that is pretty scary though
[speaker002:] engineer  it is the only thing is I my what I think is they they're testing for you know especially illegal drugs is part of the real problem the real problem is you want to make sure this guy is on the ball
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I think that what they should be doing is performance testing not drug testing you know they should have some sort of video game or something that the guy has to play or you know something like that because if he you know maybe he didn't get any sleep the night before
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah
[speaker002:] and uh just stayed up too late and for that reason is not on the ball or he's you know he he's unhappy about something or he's sick
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] or uh you know uh using some legal drug that they don't test for I mean I really don't want to be I don't want to die in a train wreck
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and and it's because I don't want to die that I want them to do a more meaningful test
[speaker001:] yeah but then again uh you know I also if I was a conductor I I I wouldn't want I wouldn't want to have to like you know piss in a little paper cup whenever you know
[speaker002:] well I can see there be yeah I actually it's some some mixed mixed feeling about feel I mean I feel like okay if you're going to do testing do a meaningful test like a performance test
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh the testing itself uh I could see where the testing if it's not if it is a performance test I mean it's directly related doing your job
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh it has nothing to do with your personal you know lifestyle uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] by then I had just had a thought about like what about a what about a police officer you know
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I mean that then you begin to to wonder if I understand they have like random law enforcement officers have to go through through random random tests just to see I guess like what side of the law they are they're on you know and and I'm beginning I'm I'm starting to think a little more a little more about this is that I guess should we really be talking about what should we be should we have legalized drugs you know
[speaker002:] well a lot of people say that that would simplify a lot of things uh I tend to I tend to agree just because the attempts to make certain things illegal were such flops
[speaker001:] yeah I I think that uh