[speaker001:] okay do you want to start
[speaker002:] okay um I haven't I don't know that much about the possible what the possible choices could be about reorganizing the trial by jury but um I think it works better than many other systems like having a judge decide
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I can't think of many alternatives that could be more fair than having twelve people decide although it's difficult because they all have to be new unanimous
[speaker001:] now that do you do you agree that they should all be unanimous or even even in uh like they said you know lesser you know trials you know lesser convictions do you think that they should be all unanimous still
[speaker002:] I don't I don't know I don't know if I feel I don't feel real strongly about that if the um the thing is though I I didn't think that even if it was a lower conviction I didn't think that you could um I didn't think that you really had to have a a jury
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] unless I guess if you request one you can but I think yeah making it unanimous sometimes might um  let the only thing it might let more people get off I don't think it would convict any more people
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and we have so many people already you know the jails are already overloaded
[speaker001:] well the thing is they stay until they all are unanimous I mean if one is determined that it's you know that he feels that he's you know going against the other eleven they all stay until everyone agrees so I don't know if it would leave anyone getting off more unless someone just gets tired of fighting you know just gives in
[speaker002:] yeah well if it's no but they they what if they never agree doesn't it just um do they have to go back and do a whole new trial or
[speaker001:] and they have to stay in until they all agree yeah I don't know I'm not sure if they go I mean to twelve new people
[speaker002:] agree
[speaker001:] or what they do exactly but I do know for sure that all twelve have to agree before he can either you know either he or she can either go free or to jail either one
[speaker002:] yeah yeah and that maybe on the lesser crimes that aren't too severe that's a little stringent
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] especially because there's twelve the thing about it is I think jury selection too a lot of times um the lawyers are able to pick and choose who they want on the jury and they can sway them that way too
[speaker001:] that's just that's just it I don't understand you're supposed to you know go in if you have you know like if you've never heard of the people before or anything but I don't understand with racialism and the way religion is and everything else how you can get people that are total totally impartial to it
[speaker002:] I know I don't think well I guess you really can't but the other thing is when they have the sensational trials how they get people who aren't swayed by the news either
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so um but then again you know they the one of the questions they asked is should it just be decided by a judge and that's kind of tricky too because a lot of positions the judges are in they they can't be fired you know they have to they stay till they retire and sometimes they're pretty partial in their judgements too
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I agree I don't think it should be left up to the judge alone not only you know that they have to stay in there but hey how many times have you heard of judges being bought over
[speaker002:] I know
[speaker001:] you know so it it's I I I think I think in in the end the judge has the presiding you know um vote I think he can be you know I I don't know if it's the way it is in real life but I've seen it on TV where the juries go one way and the judge totally totally finds it obnoxious and he completely you know goes the other way now I'm not sure if the judge is allowed to do that in everyday life or what
[speaker002:] yeah I think in some cases they are but they know they get to decide how severe the sentence is if it's you know so that's another thing where they have the power but
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] maybe juries could be less than twelve people or would that be more fair or less fair maybe there should be more than twelve people I don't
[speaker001:] oh oh my God if there were more than twelve can you imagine how long they'd be sitting
[speaker002:] I know I know I don't know
[speaker001:] I I think it's just I don't I mean I think it's as fair as it can possibly get but I just think it's really hard you know I mean some cases go on for years you know
[speaker002:] that's true and I've never been on jury duty but they have to keep going and going and going
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and lose their not lose their jobs but not go to work
[speaker001:] yeah I I don't know how it could be more fair course I don't know maybe maybe they should be asking someone that's been on on trial before
[speaker002:] it could be really I've never seen one in real life either so I don't have you know I don't know that much about it but I think it seems that we have a a pretty fair system compared to other countries I don't know how we could make it more fair I really don't
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] the unanimous vote is questionable though and and how how many cases get juries might want to be reviewed too
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] because uh  I don't know if you should have really really have a jury for small a small infraction
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but I'm not sure who gets them I don't know anything
[speaker001:] I know I don't know that much about it either I just I don't know I I guess maybe if they'd go and they'd ask someone in jail you know how they can make it more fair for them or not but then again maybe they should be there so that is fair
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I don't I I don't think anyone's going to come up with a better way
[speaker002:] no whoever came up with this was pretty smart because it was pretty uh unique I think when they started it
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] so how long do we need to talk do you know
[speaker001:] oh I think we can hang up anytime
[speaker002:] okay um in um what do I do now do you know anything or just wait for someone else
[speaker001:] no I don't know what else to say so
[speaker002:] okay okay well it was nice talking with you
[speaker001:] it was nice talking to you too bye
[speaker002:] thanks bye-bye