[speaker001:] how do you feel about uh drug testing Bob
[speaker002:] well I guess uh I really don't have a lot of contact with uh with the business world I'm self employed work in a one person office
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] and so my my my my contacts with the with the drug testing possibilities are pretty limited uh
[speaker001:] um how do you feel about people that are subjected to having to have the drug testing done
[speaker002:] well I I I you know I understand why companies can in some cases would feel a need uh I have some reservations about it because I I do believe that I believe in individual rights
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and and I think that uh that that does at least borderline on an invasion of privacy or you know or violation of you know personal rights
[speaker001:] oh uh what recourse do you think a company would have then if they had people using drugs and were jeopardizing the company structure
[speaker002:] yeah well I guess I'd I'm uh I'm not sure that uh  uh you know you'd have to prove somehow show that there's a reason for you know for suspecting that person as you know as being a drug user or you know whatever and I mean you wouldn't uh you wouldn't you're not allowed a company's not allowed anymore to give uh uh what is it uh
[speaker001:] protection
[speaker002:] the no the the test uh now I've drawn a blank
[speaker001:] um you mean uh uh the test to oh the polygraph
[speaker002:] polygraph test yeah you're not allowed to use polygraph test in pre screening you know for employees anymore uh so you know you don't have any any proof or any way to check on a person as to their honesty
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] uh the only way that you you know the only alternative you have if you suspect suspect a person is uh is stealing from you is to get evidence
[speaker001:] correct
[speaker002:] uh to that effect you know and I kind of feel like uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] drug testing should fall into that into that same category or potentially anyway that if you suspect it that you should have some kind of proof not
[speaker001:] do you
[speaker002:] not come up with a method to to have the employee furnish the furnish the proof against themselves you know in effect you know that's that's kind of uh
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] of defeating some of the purposes I think of the Constitution which you know which says you know you don't have to give self incriminating evidence course we're talking about you know criminal cases in that in that case but I still I think it still fits you know the same uh
[speaker001:] um-hum right
[speaker002:] somewhat anyway the the same area
[speaker001:] I guess uh they feel because drug use is so widespread and there's not any um deviation so to speak between an executive and a lay person as far as drug use goes
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and um I feel and just looking at it on the surface um that they wouldn't have much of a choice um in picking somebody uh sometimes drugs don't uh the results of taking drugs don't come out until after something tragic has happened and in order to uh resolve it before it happens that they feel that this is most the most direct way and painless way of uh scanning their uh employees I know that in our company I have not known a woman to have the drug test yet
[speaker002:] well
[speaker001:] but of course the men I guess it's more popular and I don't know if this is true if it's more popular between men drug use than it is women because I know there are a lot of women that do use drugs
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah there's not uh from my from my own personal uh knowledge not experience but knowledge
[speaker001:] but um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] uh there are I would say there are as many women drug users
[speaker001:] as there are men uh-huh
[speaker002:] as there are men uh in most you know most of the cases that I know of you know from personal conversations uh
[speaker001:] I don't know anybody uh in even a random um friendship that uses drugs
[speaker002:] yeah well I've known people in the in the past that have you know that uh and in in almost all of those cases it was you know husband and wife or boyfriend girlfriend or
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you know that kind of a situation
[speaker001:] a casual user of drugs or
[speaker002:] do what a casual user uh yeah pretty much uh right social social users say uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh just to try and see what it was like and then yeah
[speaker002:] and and and in in you know in some cases it would be uh a group of friends that you know that I would know about that you know I'm not a drug user I have not ever been and will not ever be but I you know I've known people that have talked about it you know and uh
[speaker001:] that were experiencing different things um-hum sure um-hum
[speaker002:] and it was you know it was couples and groups and you know male and female and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know it was not limited to
[speaker001:] well I I would be um I don't have any desire to but I would be awfully fearful because of all the uh um illicit drugs that are around and the methods by which they're made
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and some of them are very deadly and it's kind of playing Russian Roulette with drugs
[speaker002:] right yeah so but yeah I I understand the you know the idea I'm I'm all in favor of getting drugs out of the you know out of the the system completely
[speaker001:] so it um-hum well it doesn't bring anything but chaos
[speaker002:] yeah right but uh you know I I think that uh I think that the companies that that have started the the the non voluntary drug testing and and Texas Instruments in particular or is you know is one that I know of anyway
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] they uh I think they're asking for for the Constitution to be interpreted to say hey you can't do this it's you know it's a violation from my point of view it's a violation of you know of of a person
[speaker001:] do you think a rule against a certain uh um substance is in violation of their civil rights
[speaker002:] uh not a rule against it but a a a non voluntary testing for it
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] is I think that's you know it's it's like you're telling if they're telling a person you don't have any alternative but to uh accept uh accept this test go through this testing
[speaker001:] I wonder if uh now in their applications when they hire people I know it wasn't in the application that I filled out years ago but if now they um are very up front with saying we are going to test you for drugs and if it's then knowledgeable to the uh applicant
[speaker002:] well yeah you know in TI's under TI's current policy uh new hire new employees are tested
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and you know so it's it is a part of the you know it's a part of the test a part of the part of the employment employing procedure now is is to test
[speaker001:] so they know that it's not a right um-hum
[speaker002:] and and there's there's no problem with you know with pre employment testing that I guess that's a little a little unusual that they can test test for drugs but they can't test for honesty and uh you know so that's uh but that is you know that is a a
[speaker001:] we live in a in