[speaker001:] Hi.
[speaker002:] Hi.
[speaker001:] I'm wondering what, what camping means to you.
[speaker002:] When I think of camping I think of, of bugs [LAUGHTER], and sleeping bags and, and tents, uh, like along the Appalachian Trail.
[speaker001:] Oh, very good. That's sort of the same thing that, that I do. I don't think of, um, trailers and campers and all this stuff.
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] Um, do you do much camping?
[speaker002:] I have never been camping [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, you've never been camping. Oh, gee.
[speaker002:] No. Do you do much?
[speaker001:] Well, um, yes and no, and, the, uh, I haven't done much recently, but, um, up until, gee, maybe five or six years ago, I did a lot of it [throat clearing]
[speaker002:] Really,
[speaker001:] and, you know I've,
[speaker002:] Where you live now, or,
[speaker001:] Say?
[speaker002:] Did you camp up in Maryland, or,
[speaker001:] No, um, I used to live abroad, and so, I, I camped a lot in, um, the Middle East
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker001:] and I was able to camp right in ruins, which was always very exciting
[speaker002:] Oh, I bet.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] and, a bit exotic [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] for those who love bugs, but, [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] um, and then when I used to come back to the states in summer we'd often go up, um, to the lake country in New York
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] with my brother's family and, and do camping there.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay. Well, my cou-, uh, husband and, and his uncle especially, uh, grew up camping together, and, uh, they, they just love it, and they're planning a trip, uh, into Canada this, I guess in about a year, and they're going to spend about a week and a half camping up there,
[speaker001:] And you're not going?
[speaker002:] No, this is, this is a, a man's trip [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, that's too bad,
[speaker002:] So they're really looking forward to that
[speaker001:] Oh, gee.
[speaker002:] so.
[speaker001:] I guess it makes a difference. I grew up camping, being in Girl Scouts and things like that, so.
[speaker002:] And see I was, I was never exposed to it
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I, I feel like I'm a little bit too, uh, much of a city, city mouse to try doing it [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Oh, that's too bad. I think the-, you know, there's certainly a lot of aspects you would like, but maybe not the, yo-, you know the Canada men's trip, but some other, you know, a nice tent on the, the shore of a lake, and,
[speaker002:] What's the best part about it to, to you, the, the quiet, the getting away?
[speaker001:] Right, the, the, the no telephone, the, gee whiz, you go to bed when it gets dark,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] and you get up when it gets light [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Wow.
[speaker001:] Yeah, and, um, I guess just, just the change,
[speaker002:] [Cough].
[speaker001:] from the rat race.
[speaker002:] Now, do you usually, like do you usually go and there's lots of other people around, or is it pretty much isolated.
[speaker001:] No, it's, uh, it's pretty isolated, um, and to me, I like that, I guess, too, although there are people, I mean, you know, it's really hard to get away
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] and I guess when, when we did sites in, in the Middle East, of course it was with a group, in order to make it safe
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] but, I mean, we'd go in different parts of the ruins, and, and things like that. But we didn't even have tents there, [LAUGHTER] we just sort of put out the sleeping roll [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Oh, good grief.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] That, that does sound neat, but I don't think I, I've got quite enough nerve to do that.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I know my husband's gone, uh, for several days on the Appalachian Trail before, and he said that you can, a lot of times you can go for, you know, a good day before you'll see or meet anybody else on the trail.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] So it's not for the faint of heart, I don't think.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Right. Actually I just joined, um, the Appalachian Trail Walking Club, or whatever they call it, what, uh
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] and I'm very eager to, to start, uh, I love to walk
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and, um, I'm going to start with day trips, though, because I don't know the territory and all, and I'm not sure, my son is not eager to go and,
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] you know, I think that, that that might be a little eerie at first, going alone.
[speaker002:] I think it would be,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well, that sounds really neat.
[speaker001:] Oh, but, you know, I'm going to try [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Well.
[speaker001:] Well, gee whiz, I hope you get into camping some day, just slowly.
[speaker002:] I don't know, uh, we talk about sometimes going up to Chincoteague
[speaker001:] Oh, yeah.
[speaker002:] and, uh, I, maybe, like you said, start out slow and, and kind of get used to it, and find out that it, maybe it's not as bad as I, I fear it might be [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Right, I think that, you know, I guess one time recently we went up to Maine, and had planned to camp, and you know, the only site left when we got there was in the middle of a field, and I said, Gee whiz, for twenty dollars we can go down the road and get a, a motel
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] which we did, and, so that, you know, if the setting was right and that, it's, it's great, but if it's,