[speaker002:] uh all right I had to register us in there
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] uh hopefully you're a basketball fan
[speaker001:] excuse me
[speaker002:] hopefully you're a basketball fan
[speaker001:] yeah I'm from Indiana
[speaker002:] great I'm glad you are I'm not I I I could care about any of it you know but go ahead I I would like to talk about uh maybe college basketball I I like to see it uh be more of an amateur sport I'd like to see it turn back to like the Southwest Conference down here I would like to see Texas and all the teams uh since we're supposed to talk about specific teams I would like to see them turn back to where the college player plays for four years and they're not they're not semi pro and just go on and are stolen by the the NBA the the League you know in three years plus I'd like to see them to be true athletes where they're they're taking a regular
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] college course you know I'd like to see they didn't ask that but they're talking about college teams I you know since you're being you can talk for hours go ahead you you you if you like sports go right ahead with this one
[speaker001:] yeah yeah um well I know like what you just said um Purdue had to had to uh their best player this years you know averaged twenty points a game they had to make him sit the bench and actually kicked him off the team because um
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] his uh grades even though they passed Big Ten standings and they passed you know NC double A they weren't they did not pass um Purdue requirements and so
[speaker002:] now that's surprising that they uh that they have better requirements that's good
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that's what I like to see go ahead I'm all for that
[speaker001:] and see so he was treated like all the rest of students you know
[speaker002:] that's great
[speaker001:] and and so um you know their very best player they probably lost over half their games because you know by twenty twenty points was what he averaged um and so you know he had to sit you know he was kicked off the team and then they've got three players top you know recruiting class this year that are going to have to be well the the prep school they go to before they can play because they aren't smart enough you know it's just sad because I mean Purdue even though they're one of the few schools that really uh
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] stress academics they're really suffering you know and
[speaker002:] oh I I agree I I think that that there's a lot of inconsistencies uh uh when some conference uh players come from outside of Texas you know and and play us here uh they're obviously plus practicing sixty hours a week you know and and there's no consistency seems to me
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] that like Purdue uh uh when they're trying a student athlete is spending so many hours in class he only has twenty twenty five whatever hours he has to spend on practice he should be playing they all should be playing another team that that has about twenty hours to practice a week but uh you there are teams that practices sixty hours a week they're not going to class at all
[speaker001:] yeah like
[speaker002:] I mean that's that's what I mean by semi pro there's too many semi pros in college and and I think they ought to get rid of that
[speaker001:] yeah that's what happened to this guy I mean he was uh he didn't go to class and so they just said you know you can't make the grades you're going to have to see you later
[speaker002:] well I'm all for I'm all for the oh baseball has a uh a uh minor league system and I think that the football and basketball they asked us to talk about basketball should you know let let them go have a semi pro team but I think I'd like to see college athletes let's talk about college basketball I like I like that if any basketball that I like I like that I I don't I don't like the pros at all
[speaker001:] yeah I don't either it's
[speaker002:] uh the high scoring there's no defense it seems like and they just kind of score a hundred and twenty five points you know the other team scores hundred twenty two you know and I don't really uh get much out of that
[speaker001:] yeah um yeah it is fun to watch some real disciplined teams play in a in college
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I saw Princeton I think it was or Harvard play this year and they're they're like all white and their starting guard had SAT scores of fifteen hundred
[speaker002:] oh it did um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and it was so funny to watch them play against the other teams because it was like they played so much smarter and more disciplined I don't know if they won very many games but
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I don't know their style of play was so much different from some of the teams that just run and gun
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I like high school football which again again is is not the subject but that's so much fun to watch because they're they're the the pure amateurs you know and there's no money involved you go to college you don't really know it it loses it somewhere
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] uh whatever sport it is if they're really putting putting a lot of money in these players let's face it ninety percent are being paid so I'd like to see college basketball and all the other sports go back to being amateurs I I don't care about seeing the best players in the world play I like to see uh the people going to Texas just play and the ones that are in class and and like to see athletes uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh or students students fellow students like myself you know to to play the game I I in fact I like amateur sports I I don't I don't see it has to be I don't think that college football football and or or basketball should have to be semi pro you know
[speaker001:] yeah yeah it's
[speaker002:] I wish it'd return to the to good old days of the amateur and everybody play that's what I like everybody should play you know
[speaker001:] I'm kind of racist I guess when I say uh I like to see the white guys do well you know instead of the run and gun all the time
[speaker002:] yeah well again I'd just like to see the the true athlete the student true true true student athlete play basketball you know I don't like to see the ones that aren't have no intention of going to class uh
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] you know and again just picking a school uh Texas uh is is usually not the best team you know because the other teams are I'm sure practice a lot more and uh SMU down here
[speaker001:] in fact
[speaker002:] in in footballs been trying to get back uh to having true student student student athletes and and that's what I think is a lot of fun
[speaker001:] there's just so much pressure on the schools I think to win though you know that
[speaker002:] to win and get and money yeah
[speaker001:] yeah and you know if it's like if they don't win they don't get any money so it's and and the school suffers
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] which is kind of bad but that's just how it always is
[speaker002:] yeah I always thought that college university was to to for an education and then sports sports of course is part of the education I don't think that sports has to make a lot of money or you do away with it I don't know why they don't keep fencing and all that you know and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and and they seem to be there's articles in the Time magazine and all that about whether it be basketball or anything else if it's not making money then we'll do away with it well that's that's not I thought it was you know so that you give them an education of that particular discipline
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and I and I I just think that amateur sports should stay in universities that's where it's at and I I'm sure saddened to see I think it was Wisconsin or somewhere they were getting rid of fencing and a couple of other things I don't know what it was and it just seems so sad to have to only rely on
[speaker001:] really
[speaker002:] you know college football is that all they're going to have to make money you know plus I didn't think that was the objective was to make money but it seems like it is
[speaker001:] yeah huh it really is I know there's a lot of pressure on schools to have a winning program
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum
[speaker001:] to get the best athletes so they can keep their seats full
[speaker002:] um-hum you went to Indiana University University oh Purdue okay
[speaker001:] uh Purdue yeah
[speaker002:] well good uh you're you're a TIer up in Sherman oh very good
[speaker001:] so uh-huh are you from Dallas area
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I'm in the facilities down here down here in Dallas
[speaker001:] yeah I guess football is the big sport down here isn't it
[speaker002:] uh certainly high school football and college football but again high high school football uh is just so much fun to watch because uh
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] uh you know just not everybody plays of course but they're still uh it's good and it's still you know the kids and there's absolutely no money involved whatsoever and you know they're going to class you know
[speaker001:] yeah you heard of Damon
[speaker002:] it it's just real amateur sports
[speaker001:] have you heard of Damon Bailey
[speaker002:] hum-um
[speaker001:] the IU uh white guard that plays well last year when he was in high school uh
[speaker002:] hum-um
[speaker001:] they drew a crowd of like forty one thousand for the state finals when he played
[speaker002:] is that right that's uh I never has been in a basketball uh football game in high school that had that many
[speaker001:] yeah yeah so that's uh I mean that's pretty big like he's from Indiana and he plays for Indiana now
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh Indiana State seems to be a lot bigger than pro basketball up there the Pacers don't really draw that big of a crowd but you know the college the high school games I mean that seems seems to be the big attraction and college
[speaker002:] well my office mate here Earl he he goes to all the Maverick games and he loves that he he would be this would be great question for him uh to talk about basketball like he's got I'm looking at his calendar he's got all over the place uh and he goes to a lot of the Maverick games and everything and but I I I can't get interested at all zero I I listen to him and occasionally I'll watch them on channel eleven but uh gee I can't uh more than five minutes of a basketball game just seems about that's it of uh uh pro anyway uh of
[speaker001:] yeah seems like you could set the st the score at a hundred and then give them five minutes to play and then it'd be the same result you know because they they start they shoot so much and then the last
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] what five minutes they decide who's going to be the winner I guess
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah I'm surprised a little bit when you're talking about basketball how some players work and Mavericks had oh two players this year that they got rid of last year I'll think of them in a minute Perkins Sam Perkins can't think of the other one they're both
[speaker001:] Tarpley is he one Tarpley
[speaker002:] pardon me yeah Tarpley and they both left this past year and both of them were on were on play-off teams uh so they they benefitted tremendously by by leaving the Mavericks
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and Sam Perkins here uh he's one guy I did follow from think he was in Virginia I can't think of what school he went to but from I guess he's been here about five six seven years in the pros and he was he never quite achieved the you know the super stardom that he had in in in college but uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] basketball they have a nice I don't know if you've been down to the sports for Reunion Arena it's really a nice uh certainly the