[speaker001:] well I don't know how you feel about drug testing but I'm dead set against it
[speaker002:] well so we can have a conversation on on agreeing with one another today right because we keep working to see if we can find any candidates who will help us change the the trend that we have seem to have of interfering with people's personal life
[speaker001:] yeah um I think about the only candidates that are out there that are you know anti antiwar on drugs or VIV war on rights is uh pretty much your Libertarian candidates which um I personally have some doubts as to whether any of them can get elected elected
[speaker002:] well that's always a problem I have to admit that that back when uh the Texas governorship
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] race was going on that was the one thing that made me really pleased with Ann Richards is that she refused to get involved in discussing that whole issue
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh well it just I mean really seems the ridiculous because um the um U S Department of Labor whatever I'm not sure might be a different agency requires um businesses to post this poster that has like minimum wage laws and a bunch of other laws and one of things it posts is um on the illegality illegality of um lie detector tests and um you know I feel that lie detector tests are
[speaker002:] for self decrimi self incrimination kind of thing yeah
[speaker001:] well it means that that that there are limits there are there are definite government limits to you know how an employer can use lie detectors on its employees and I think that oh I mean I don't I I agree that the lie detectors are inappropriate but I think you know that it's hard to justify being I don't understand how our government can can encourage drug testing and discourage lie detector tests because they seem like they're testing the same sort of nebulous
[speaker002:] yeah yeah because the the tests are equally unreliable and
[speaker001:] character um-hum
[speaker002:] personally I don't even think it's a question of whether they're reliable or not I mean it doesn't matter how reliable they are then I think that it's inappropriate you know actually I can almost understand it more for somebody who's getting ready to hire someone than I can allowing them to spot test or random test people who are
[speaker001:] um-hum oh yeah
[speaker002:] currently employed because I think that current employment you know continuation of employment should be based on performance
[speaker001:] yeah yeah and and you know I I agree with with a lot of people that you know claim instead of having random drug tests for continuing employment have um motor impairment tests um because you know the they they would not be any more priced they would they would
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] be similarly priced um and you know if some if some guy goes to work and he had a had a fight with his wife the night before and you know he has that on his mind and isn't gonna be able to function properly you know I I just as you know I'd I'd almost as much you know have as much uh fear of him driving the bus I'm riding than
[speaker002:] or maybe more well you know if you stop and think about it
[speaker001:] yeah yeah or maybe more yeah I'll show her
[speaker002:] stop and think about it you can get awfully hostile and decide to to take care of the whole world one day or something yeah well you're absolutely right
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum um-hum um-hum and also and also on the question of you know just getting employment I'm you know I'm I'm a senior in college and I'm applying for jobs and I know I know a lot of people that are doing it also and I know some of some of which that do indulge in certain um
[speaker002:] you're absolutely right uh
[speaker001:] non uh sanctioned um hobbies and their basic attitude toward drug testing is is just um moving away moving away from you know the relatively harmless drugs like marijuana which uh you know lingers for about thirty five days to things like cocaine and LSD which you know one they don't test for well LSD they don't test for and cocaine which only stays in your system for about a week and I used to snort I just you know wonder what effect this is having you know
[speaker002:] uh it certainly sounds that if if that's what college students are doing that that's anti productive
[speaker001:] um and I and I mean that's you know that's entirely anecdotal evidence I know a couple people you know that have moved in the direction but
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I just you know wonder you know overall what the trend is
[speaker002:] well that of course there's really there's really no way to know uh it's
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I just you know unfortunately I've I've talked with a um some friends of mine who are lawyers recently about that because my husband's in a job situation that um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] makes him
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] subject to this sort of thing and it makes him extremely unhappy with his work place
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh you know not that he does it not that he's ever done it you know I mean he's he's one of the straightest people I know which is it and it has nothing to do with
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you know with any of the rest of it he doesn't like the feeling of loss of control so he doesn't
[speaker001:] yeah and just the feeling that you know you the there there's
[speaker002:] so he yeah so he wouldn't do it but on the other hand he also doesn't like the sense of loss of control of his personal life