[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] what uh how do you feel about capital punishment
[speaker002:] uh tough question I mean it it's I was actually kind of thinking about it the other day someone was talking about it how uh a person who takes someone else's life he was saying should should not deserve the right to have to keep their own life it's kind of it's it's it's a really you know it's a moral dilemma I don't know um
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] I think that I I forget what the law is in my state I mean my home state I'm from I'm from Maryland
[speaker001:] yeah I have no idea what the law is anywhere I've ever lived I just
[speaker002:] and I just
[speaker001:] I don't know so I I personally uh even though I understand the principle behind capital punishment I don't agree with it ever applying applying capital punishment to anyone um because I sort of believe that if we've got a person arrested that sure we can uh we can say you know it's a murderer he's done heinous crimes but we can keep him in jail for the rest of his life and not give him a terribly pleasant existence and uh there's just no reason to justify killing a person and you know there may be an economic reason but I don't think that's sufficient to justify uh killing someone if you believe that killing is wrong you you might as well apply that to you know even that stays stays true even if you're punishing someone I know that's how I feel
[speaker002:] yeah I mean it kind of seems going back to uh eye for an eye hand for a hand kind of thing maybe
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I don't know it's like uh you kind of wonder do you want someone like Jeffrey Dahmer alive or not oh or or Charles Manson
[speaker001:] well it's just that I feel like they don't really pose a threat if they're imprisoned you know sufficiently and
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know I I I guess it would be bad if the politics ever changes and they got out for some reason but
[speaker002:] I don't see it happening
[speaker001:] uh yeah
[speaker002:] like I don't see Charles Manson I think he'll never get out he's he's probably going to be up for parole in a year or so but he's not going to it's not going to happen
[speaker001:] oh yeah but the thing is you know when these guys get out it can be so quiet you may not notice I mean if the public doesn't hear about it for some reason I mean the thing is Charles Manson was really publicly well know but if it's somebody who's you know a serial killer but he never was really in the media a lot then when he gets out he still won't be in the media
[speaker002:] this could be
[speaker001:] yeah so I you know uh it could be bad if somebody got out I guess
[speaker002:] yeah I I still I think even if they aren't in the media I don't know if it would happen unless maybe it was uh bureaucracy that got pushed aside and someone said ah we'll let them out
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I don't know someone I don't know I mean I guess there's are probably are small time serial killers that you don't hear about
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] something um
[speaker001:] well there have to be because uh uh I don't know there's like well I don't know the numbers but I mean there's at least dozens of capital punishments every year from what I that's what I think it is and you know you don't hear about all of those
[speaker002:] I don't know um because I think I don't think they actually execute prisoners very too often because there's I mean there's death row there's a lot of time where uh prisoners are kept on death row for a long time I mean yeah there was uh Ted Bundy
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] there was uh I mean there was such an outcry to um to execute him because it I mean he was the the crimes he did were just so heinous um now I I think that there's it's just such a controversial thing that it doesn't happen too often I'm not so I I don't at least at least I don't hear about it that often
[speaker001:] right yeah I don't I don't know either so
[speaker002:] um nah I don't think there's been an execution in my state in a long time that I know of
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] yeah and I know that like um uh one of the one of the things that that's that's one of the things that the that Amnesty International is against in the United States is capital punishment yeah
[speaker001:] they're against capital punishment oh okay
[speaker002:] of any of any kind so that's the one the one thing they have against the United States one of their gripes
[speaker001:] well aren't do a lot of countries countries not have capital punishment
[speaker002:] uh I don't know there might be some that don't
[speaker001:] that'd be interesting to find out who doesn't
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] tough to uh to um what's word I'm looking for uh to justify
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] I guess I kind of waver I guess sometimes it's like someone like Jeffrey Dahmer you kind of want