[speaker001:] declined that San Francisco has more crime than Texas
[speaker002:] than Plano Texas yeah I sure am
[speaker001:] it's a it's a difficult question I don't know that I uh can easily come up with an answer to what can be done
[speaker002:] I don't think there is an answer of what would make crime go away there's no such thing
[speaker001:] I think probably drugs have a lot to do with crime in our society today so
[speaker002:] yeah I think you're right have you ever had your house broken into
[speaker001:] no no
[speaker002:] I haven't either
[speaker001:] it's it's hard to know actually whether the crime um impact would be better or would would decrease or would increase if there were some changes in the way drugs are legislated I don't know if
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I have uh an opinion yet about uh legalization of certain kinds of drugs but uh-huh boy there's certainly a lot connected with that you know
[speaker002:] that's for sure
[speaker001:] organized crime as well as
[speaker002:] that's for sure
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] I've never really been a victim of a crime and I've never had my car stolen or my house broken into or any of that so
[speaker001:] well I guess
[speaker002:] I've always lived in suburbs I don't know if that has anything to do with it or not but
[speaker001:] yeah I grew up in a pretty small town and I'm not sure that um the size of the community or the general appearances safety really has as much to do with it because because you're seen as an enclave You might get hit by somebody from the outside anyway
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] um I guess on a on a local level uh I I was thinking when I heard the question about major changes in the country today but it's probably a little easier now that I think about it if I look at what an individual could do and obviously if you have lights on and you have uh uh a timing system for your lights in your own home you're going to reduce the risk of being broken into
[speaker002:] right there's so many things that you can do in that way and you know going into parking lots with with your keys out being prepared you know being on the defensive
[speaker001:] right right looking less like a victim
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] neighborhoods watching each other
[speaker002:] yeah we have a neighborhood crime watch where I am where did you grow up
[speaker001:] yes in a southern California suburb It was outside of Long Beach kind of near Huntington Beach
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah well my girls and I were just just down there this Christmas they play soccer and so we were down in that same area
[speaker001:] oh really yeah
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I've lived in San Francisco for about thirteen years now and um probably have learned by
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] uh indirect and direct experiences about things to do to you know avoid those kind of situations but I think part of it's just as you grow
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] as you mature you you recognize um how to present yourself in a public situation so that you don't look like you are a victim a potential victim
[speaker002:] that's right yep
[speaker001:] it's a hard thing to communicate to kids isn't it
[speaker002:] it sure is do you have children
[speaker001:] I have a two year old
[speaker002:] yeah they're not afraid of much at two
[speaker001:] no no but you know as a child we were able to uh ride our bikes around the neighborhood and go to our friends and those are things that I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with when she gets to bike riding age you know
[speaker002:] yep I can understand that you know as we were traveling back from that same toc soccer tournament I was telling you about we stopped in Mesa Arizona
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and I was just amazed at the freedom that those kids felt they just don't have I mean even here in Plano Texas I worry when my kids walk you know a block
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and we talked to some of our relatives there and they said you know we just don't worry about that there aren't kidnappings and there aren't there isn't that element here yet
[speaker001:] that's interesting how large a community is that
[speaker002:] um I don't really know it's not real big it's right outside of Tucson
[speaker001:] uh-huh and and Plano what would you say is the population
[speaker002:] uh I don't know that either it's
[speaker001:] because sometimes it's hard to you know I I look at small towns that have had problems with kidnappings and I think well the you know they're not on the edge of some large metropolis Um you know it's hard to even
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] look at the factors that influence that happening why why in that particular you know
[speaker002:] why it would happen here and not there
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] yep I guess you just have to kind of look for a family environment and and neighborhood and hope for the best you know and just
[speaker001:] uh-huh do you find yourself teaching your children things that uh you you know that they need to do but you didn't have perhaps in the way of level of awareness at an early age
[speaker002:] sure sure it and it's so frightening because you have to teach them to be scared all the time
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh how how do they respond to that when you tell them about kidnappings at what age were they ready for that
[speaker002:] and to really be cautious  well they don't know any other way they don't know any other way I mean they weren't raised when I was when you didn't worry about that everyone worries about that now so they just assume that you'll always have to be on your guard
[speaker001:] uh-huh how old were were they when you introduced that subject
[speaker002:] and this oh real young I mean I can remember when my my oldest daughter is thirteen today and when she was just three I took her to the Sun Valley Mall do you know where that is
[speaker001:] uh-huh huh
[speaker002:] yeah I grew up there in Concord
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] anyway and um she had gotten lost and it started right then you know and every person I would see that had a little girl you know tucked under their arm I'd run you know
[speaker001:] oh gosh a scary experience
[speaker002:] to see if that was her oh yeah