[speaker002:] the federal budget boy
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] I was just writing something down that came to mind as I observed what's happened in our society um we I think have become uh dependent upon our federal government to do things for us that really only we can do for ourself
[speaker001:] I agree with that
[speaker002:] and I think more and more people are recognizing that and in addition to that uh we have elected people who really don't know how to manage the money uh they collect
[speaker001:] well what we've got um in my view is is a situation where we've got more people like you say that are customed that are accustomed to being taken care of and than we
[speaker002:] I mean I think it really affects all of us to a degree Glen I think we are I mean I I went through a P H D program that was funded by the Office of Navel Research that's now investigating Stanford and Harvard and MIT
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I mean we're talking about things that have done some good but have institutionalized corruption
[speaker001:] yeah well I I really I think if you from a
[speaker002:] I mean uh you know I hate to admit that in a way but it's true
[speaker001:] yeah I I really do think that I think the first thing that we need to do and it it would be a hard uh a hard uh medicine uh for everybody to swallow but I think we're gonna have to eventually balance the budget or we're gonna sink we can't continue to pay the kind of interest that we're paying on the deficit
[speaker002:] right well and we need to spend the money better I mean we do not need eight hundred military bases around the world
[speaker001:] that's true
[speaker002:] there are lot of things we don't we don't need to be subsidizing tobacco farmers we don't need to be subsidizing water rights for people who are wealthy farm I mean basically you know it it is really true that this this country is suffering because um we are it's not that we don't have the resources we are just squandering them
[speaker001:] oh yeah throwing them away uh it's just like uh uh programs that are federally funded that if they if the they don't spend their allotment
[speaker002:] that's the way it was working on a defense department contract that's what happened
[speaker001:] then they're then they're subject to losing the next year's allotment
[speaker002:] right well that's the way the that's the way the thing works
[speaker001:] yeah and go into a spending frenzy at the year of the end at year end
[speaker002:] that's right I've seen that happen and it it's what's even sadder and what I think is the the tragic part of it that you see in this case of Stanford and MIT and these other universities that are now being investigated for criminal violations is that I think the attitude develops that we deserve this because we're the smart guys and without us society can't function and that that's no license to steal
[speaker001:] um-hum right that's true
[speaker002:] I mean I I honest to God believe that's what what's been going on and that was sort of seeped into the way we operated in those contexts
[speaker001:] well and
[speaker002:] and at the time I you know people I mean it was it was acceptable it's no longer acceptable
[speaker001:] well and well and so many people have have uh the feeling that well if it's if there if it's federal money then it's free money well it's not it costs everybody
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and uh it you know just because you can uh get something from the feds uh that doesn't necessarily make it morally uh responsible
[speaker002:] right and it it's not up to the federal government necessarily to do a lot of things that people are now thinking it ought to do for example determine what industry should survive and what shouldn't survive and do a you know variety of other things if we put the money in the right place which is investing in people in the development of human capital in retraining programs for these poor people who really kind of went through school and got an high school education and thought they'd be able to at least function in a competitive marketplace or went through college or or went out into the marketplace and
[speaker001:] well and and and well don't even began to talk about the educational system I mean that is one example where it's being proven that throwing money does not create a good education okay
[speaker002:] right well and as the product of the academy I can tell you you know if it were that good how come they haven't been able to mass merchandise it and deliver it to everybody how come everybody is not the beneficiary of a Harvard MIT or Stanford education if it's that good and you really
[speaker001:] yeah yeah but I'm even talking I'm I'm not even I'm not even talking about higher education we're I'm talking about the the kids that we've got now they come out of high school that can't read and write and that also it just even the ones that that do read and write that really have a very poor poor grasp of of what a secondary education should have given them
[speaker002:] right but all the people who who are responsible for handling these kids were trained in universities and colleges
[speaker001:] uh true
[speaker002:] okay and my point is hey wait a minute something's wrong here these people are claiming this is the best well if it's the best then it should be translated right on down the line and the general I mean how long has Harvard been around
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] okay so ask yourself some questions why don't we have a higher quality with one of the world's great universities Harvard and Stanford both have schools of education
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I mean this is a focus it's not like this isn't an interest of theirs this is a specific focus two of the best funded institutions in the country
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] premier universities in the world hey wait a minute how come they can't produce something like MTV which kids want