[speaker002:] I assume most of the books you're reading these days since you're a student have to do with studies
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that's about all I get a chance for between that and um uh Bible study as often as I can that's about the bulk of it
[speaker002:] the uh
[speaker001:] not a whole lot of chances otherwise
[speaker002:] what year are you in in computer science
[speaker001:] okay um officially a junior right now um
[speaker002:] yeah and so the course work you're doing is what
[speaker001:] well right now I'm taking a a uh my fourth semester of of electronics dealing mostly with uh uh MOSFET and JFET transistors
[speaker002:] I thought you said computer science was your major
[speaker001:] and well okay they they're are gonna uh computer engineering
[speaker002:] oh computer engineering okay that's yeah okay
[speaker001:] okay I am getting some programming right right now I'm taking my first semester in in
[speaker002:] well no no I actually I'm an engineer by training and uh I it is my impression that's easier for an engineer to learn about computers than it is for a computer science person to learn about computers
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well with this well they classify it as computer engineering technology so I'm getting a fair amount of programming as well as electronics
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum right so who's books do you use for programming
[speaker001:] uh it depends on which language they're working with um
[speaker002:] well tell me what language we're taking these days
[speaker001:] right now I'm taking C I've got three semesters in Pascal behind me
[speaker002:] taking C okay is that just standard C or C plus plus
[speaker001:] uh that we're working with what what they called standard uh ANSI C
[speaker002:] yes right um-hum
[speaker001:] um I'm not real sure what the difference is gonna be between C and C
[speaker002:] well C plus plus is object oriented and there is uh quite a bit of difference and it quite often has you need a book up front to tell you about uh precompiling and that sort of thing and then it normally does a little shuffle up front
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] and then runs on ANSI C or some other similar dialect of C so it does uh some preprocessing to begin with who's book do you use in Pascal
[speaker001:] okay well what we're working with is uh I don't remember the author's name
[speaker002:] well how we going to talk about books well maybe we better switch to pleasure then uh what do you read for pleasure
[speaker001:] used to be I read a good deal of uh science fiction
[speaker002:] so Isaac Asimov for example
[speaker001:] um Asimov um Clark uh
[speaker002:] yeah Arthur Clark
[speaker001:] there's uh the big one was Asimov his he's his stuff was easiest to find
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] what got me started in the first place was uh my brother-in-law gave me a set the uh um Foundation Trilogy
[speaker002:] oh yeah that's fantastic
[speaker001:] back junior a year and a when I was a in in junior high school he gave it to me
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's hard to put down those
[speaker001:] oh yeah and he's come up with what three more books
[speaker002:] have you ever read Asimov's I Robot
[speaker001:] uh parts of it I got three parts of it
[speaker002:] I tell you that that is hilarious some parts of that you know the the one I
[speaker001:] yeah yeah wait a minute matter of fact I did read I I Robot
[speaker002:] I have actually gone back and is is long enough that was the first science fiction book I ever read was I Robot
[speaker001:] I Robot yeah that's pretty light reading for science fiction those kind of things
[speaker002:] and it and it was so good I went back and read it again because Asimov knows how to string things together you know
[speaker001:] yes he does well the uh Foundation Trilogy is directly connected to I Robot
[speaker002:] yeah oh yeah right
[speaker001:] as a matter of fact his last book Foundation and Earth
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] they made the finally made the connection
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] that uh um leader robot whatever his I don't remember his name now
[speaker002:] I can't remember the name either but
[speaker001:] anyway he's still going in the Foundation at the uh in Foundation and Earth they meet up with him
[speaker002:] uh huh I'll be darned
[speaker001:] he's on a base on the moon and somehow or another earth has been so utterly polluted with uh uh uh radioactive fallout that it's utterly inhabitable uninhabitable even though it's been several million years
[speaker002:] right oh yeah
[speaker001:] uh several hundred thousand years anyway
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so it's it's utterly uninhabitable
[speaker002:] well while I was working I got enough I read on the job a lot of course just like a student does because you're learning all the time in research so I read
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah
[speaker002:] I uh started uh long enough ago that uh vacuum tubes were still in business when I was a young engineer you know so I had to continually upgrade my education and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that was really good for me because that's what I'd like to do anyway I'd like to be a permanent student you know so uh
[speaker001:] yeah yeah yeah well I I got started on student late I was thirty three when I started to college for the first time
[speaker002:] yeah so you knew what you wanted to do yeah yeah
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah I'd I'd been an auto mechanic for twenty years
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] started about twelve years old for my father but uh decided you know I I had a pretty good idea that wasn't what I wanted to do any more
[speaker002:] yeah yeah have you been in the military at all
[speaker001:] no didn't go through military um
[speaker002:] oh so probably so probably the things that I enjoy reading relative to military you would enjoy The Web Web Griffin stuff uh which uh has to do with the military and other right wing things
[speaker001:] uh uh not familiar with it