[speaker001:] Okay, looks like we're ready to go. Capital punishment, uh, the problem I have with capital punishment is that, uh, uh, it's supposed to be a deterrent to crime, but I don't think that it really actually does that. I don't think it deters anybody, because [throat clearing] most of the time crimes are, uh, are committed with a, without any thought to the consequences and they don't think that, uh, stop and think and say, well, maybe I shouldn't do this, uh, because, uh, I might get the gas chamber or something like that. They worry about it afterwards and then they try and get out of it. [inhaling] And, uh, how about you [throat clearing]?
[speaker002:] Well, I think that in some cases, it is warranted.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, I do, too, yep.
[speaker002:] And I don't, I think in some cases it doesn't matter if it's a deterrent or not.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, yeah, you still have to do it. I,
[speaker002:] I mean
[speaker001:] I,
[speaker002:] I mean, I'm thinking of an extreme case like a serial murderer
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] or,
[speaker001:] So you're in, you're in favor of capital punishment, then.
[speaker002:] Well, for some things.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] I think for serial murder
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] it is warranted because if a person who would do something like that in cold
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] blood,
[speaker001:] Needs to be punished or, uh, eliminated from society.
[speaker002:] I mean,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] you can't guarantee that they wouldn't escape
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] from prison
[speaker001:] And then do it all over again.
[speaker002:] and do it again.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And I don't think that, that rehabilitation is effective.
[speaker001:] Right. Have to agree with you, and I'm kind of i-, in favor of capital punishment also. I just don't think that it acts much as a deterrent to these people because, uh, you still see them committing the same crimes, but, I tend to agree with you that, uh, we should have it [throat clearing]. I just, I don't know that it's always effective [LAUGHTER], but I guess we, uh, we're kind of stuck with it. It's, it's a difficult, uh, problem, isn't it, to determine how you're going to punish somebody for a particular crime, [inhaling] uh,
[speaker002:] But, then, you know, I think that, that some murderers don't really warrant capital punishment.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] You know,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] just, like, for example, uh, you know, you hear about cases where women have killed their husbands
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] who abused them
[speaker001:] Right, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and I don't think,
[speaker001:] [Cough].
[speaker002:] that would really warrant capital punishment.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, huh. Do you think they should be punished at all, or, uh, [throat clearing] like go to prison, uh, because they're not really a danger to society. It was almost really self defense, isn't it, in a case like that.
[speaker002:] Uh [breathing], it is to a certain extent
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but I think, I don't know because,
[speaker001:] I know they put, uh, put them in jail sometimes, I guess. Uh,
[speaker002:] I think in s-, and it,
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing].
[speaker002:] just would depend upon the circumstances
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, and the extent of the abuse
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, and if another alternative was
[speaker001:] Um.
[speaker002:] available.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. You know, now, I wonder what you think about this and, uh, unfortunately, we, we don't get to do it, but, uh, it used to be a long time ago, I guess in Biblical times [throat clearing] when they had punishment [inhaling], if somebody did something, for example, to your family, then you had the right to administer the punishment. So if somebody killed somebody in your family [throat clearing], then you had the right to, uh, if that person was caught and found guilty, you had the right to, uh, execute that person. And I know that, uh, if somebody had done something to my family, I would feel that I had the right to, to get revenge on them and, uh, [throat clearing] but, I, I don't think that's done much anywhere [LAUGHTER]. That's kind of drastic punishment.
[speaker002:] Well, I think that would be kind of drastic punishment.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] And,
[speaker001:] Might make you feel better but [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] But, one thing, I think that if there is a chance for rehabilitation
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] then that chance sh-, should be investigated.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] But, like I said, if, if someone is, is just pathologically
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] going to murder people no matter what
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] then I think they should be eliminated from
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] society.
[speaker001:] Right, because they're a danger to everybody else. Huh, that's interesting. I have to, uh
[speaker002:] But,
[speaker001:] agree with that. There's a lot of folks, probably, that are in prison that, uh, that aren't really a danger to society, huh, and, uh,
[speaker002:] And a lot of people that [LAUGHTER] are a danger
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Right.
[speaker002:] to society that aren't in prison.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Right, probably more of them then the other way around [LAUGHTER]. Interesting. I don't, I don't, not sure I, I'm in Washington, D C or at least very close to it. I'm not sure what kind of, uh, capital punishment we have here.
[speaker002:] Well, I know in North Carolina, we do have capital punishment.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And I'm in, I'm from South Carolina.