[speaker002:] okay the change how women's roles have changed
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] uh well I think we've moved out of the stereotype of the homemaker uh and I think it's been through necessity with the economy and with the dysfunctional families
[speaker001:] yes yes but I think it causes a lot of dysfunction in the family
[speaker002:] well
[speaker001:] women going out to work
[speaker002:] uh possibly you know if if they're doing it simply um for the money I think you know that
[speaker001:] for the money
[speaker002:] if if it's something that they need to fulfill themselves then that's something different too
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that uh they should have the opportunity to do it and the quote homemaker's role should be divided equally between the partners
[speaker001:] I do too when it's a necessity I know uh but it's funny how it's changed because when my mother uh graduated well she took one year of normal school and then she taught school for three years before uh she met my father and they married and she had to quit teaching school because she was a married woman
[speaker002:] uh-huh that's right
[speaker001:] so it it's changed a lot from then
[speaker002:] and of course now women can be anything they want to
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh one thing that has not changed is is the equality of pay among the sexes
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and uh I don't see any great hope for that being changed in the near future quite frankly
[speaker001:] no no I don't either I just think that well men are just kind of in charge and they're not about to let women
[speaker002:] but if you look at the people who make the decisions uh the Senate and the House they're primarily male
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh you know big decision makers are still male until we get that changed you know I'm a single
[speaker001:] parent
[speaker002:] parent well a single person my children are are grown and married but uh I still have to support myself
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and I you know I personally I don't work because I want to get out there and do it I work because if I want to eat I'm out there working
[speaker001:] um-hum well I think that makes a big difference and I think it makes a big difference too if if after your children are raised uh you want to go out and fulfill yourself
[speaker002:] well I did I didn't work while my children were young and I was married because I did want to give them the background that they got at home I did find afterwards though
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you take the children whose you know in a in a healthy family which I don't know how many of us have healthy families anymore uh but I did find that the children of working parents
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] or working parent uh were more independent
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and maybe that goes to where it break it's breaking down the family bonds but I don't know of too many families that the women really work because they want to uh most of them are working and it's not to buy the TVs and the new cars it's to survive
[speaker001:] yes I definitely think so and especially uh in those families that the husband does not have a college education
[speaker002:] well even you know here our teachers are paid so poorly
[speaker001:] they are in Utah too
[speaker002:] and I don't know of any teacher whose wife is not having to work so it's it's not just the men without a college education it's our economy is really bad right now in Oklahoma it's real bad
[speaker001:] oh is it I don't think it's quite as bad in Utah as it is throughout the nation
[speaker002:] yes well Oklahoma is certainly in the recession
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh we've been there we've been here for about three to five years now and it's really hurting
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] but uh you know I don't I don't know that any woman would choose that a married woman would really choose to work because when you're working and you're married you're holding down two jobs one at home and one at
[speaker001:] right I I think that that's more though with a mother that's working
[speaker002:] well yes
[speaker001:] than than just a wife because I'm I'm not just a wife but a wife I I'm grateful that none of my daughters-in-laws at this time are working because they all have small families and they're just I just think it's so sad when a mother has to get a tiny baby up in the morning two months old and it's cold here and take him to a babysitter