[speaker001:] what's the uh in Texas law has a uh what does it have it has a death penalty doesn't it
[speaker002:] oh yes yeah they just uh started it again too just late or within the past few years you know for quite some time just about every one of the states had given up the death penalty
[speaker001:] but now it's coming back into favor
[speaker002:] uh yes well they find it is more deterrent
[speaker001:] well my sociology class at SMU's taught us that it was not a deterrent uh but now that's just what they said uh I don't know maybe maybe if I went back and took a sociology class now they'd say it is a deterrent
[speaker002:] well uh if you
[speaker001:] maybe they've changed their minds
[speaker002:] you know compare the figures I think that's where they're uh they're coming from the uh
[speaker001:] maybe that's it maybe that's it because that was back in the seventies
[speaker002:] oh there yes they are that was before the uh uh they adopted the death law again but uh I I myself am in favor of it uh particularly for uh well I think Texas has a good good law uh crimes murders related with uh drugs or killing a policemen
[speaker001:] I think I agree but I think it ought to be expanded to include children I I think they're they have they're working on uh something in Austin now
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I'm not sure what it is I just remember seeing a uh kind of a synopsis of it
[speaker002:] uh-huh well why stop at children why not go to adults too
[speaker001:] well uh I'm I'm personally very in favor of it
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh why should we let them set in prison and work on their college degrees after they've mowed down a class yard full of kids or tried or tried to or done their very you know given their best effort at doing that
[speaker002:] uh-huh yep
[speaker001:] I I don't care to support them
[speaker002:] well I don't either but uh uh but there is something to be said about or uh uh just just for the sake of argument I'm taking the a con I'm I'm against
[speaker001:] sure
[speaker002:] uh you know yourself how many times have you heard where uh uh a citizen was wrongfully arrested
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and served time at a penitentiary uh just recently this uh black man served nine years was it
[speaker001:] and then there was the black woman that uh robbed and shot the furrier
[speaker002:] for robbery
[speaker001:] and she was set free too just in two examples in Texas recently
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but she actually killed the furrier or someone she was charged with murder and then then they decided it was a case of mistaken identity or something I didn't I don't I didn't retain all those facts very well but I know what you're what if we make a mistake
[speaker002:] that's it
[speaker001:] and that's not one of those things that you can turn the wheel back and reverse everything
[speaker002:] uh-huh well right now our laws are so liberal that uh even with the death penalty in effect I don't think that uh  they're going to use it uh too frequently uh unfortunately I like you say yes let's have it uh unfortunately I like you say yes let's have it put them all give them all a shot get rid of them
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] why should they be sitting sitting in uh prison getting their college degree
[speaker001:] well I guess though where I would have a problem with it if I were on the jury that that put that handed down the death sentence because it was my judgement the person's guilty
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] now that's tougher it's easier to say it on the telephone and everyone agree that yeah the death penalty's the way to go it's a deterrent to crime they shouldn't catch themselves in that circumstance anyway but to be the actual one of the ones that decide that would be tougher for me
[speaker002:] yes very true I uh I agree with you there uh
[speaker001:] I think I'd probably do it but we could never say what we would do if we're not in the circumstance it that's that's that's a real easy thing to say that oh sure I would but I don't know
[speaker002:] uh-huh well I myself wouldn't want to be on the jury like that uh I it it's uh that's an awful lot to uh to expect of a person to uh to kill somebody is what it amounts to
[speaker001:] well yes but you know that's what they did
[speaker002:] it true very true but they they did it because they have a warped mind for some reason
[speaker001:] or rather than have a warped mind it was just the only way to get whatever they wanted
[speaker002:] yeah well uh
[speaker001:] and they they wanted something worse than they more than they respect the human life
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah exactly well anyhow I guess we both agree that that it is it should be in effect
[speaker001:] hang them yeah yeah I agree it should be in effect also I agree there should be a lot of care in the enforcement uh so I guess I would say I want it to be in effect but I want maybe well I'd I now I have a problem with this too I think our courts have too many opportunities for them to go back and get one more chance
[speaker002:] oh that's true well now any uh just believe in just about any state in the union uh uh a death uh or uh yeah death verdict is an automatic uh appeal
[speaker001:] that's correct it is it is
[speaker002:] and uh uh yes I'm inclined to agree with you I think so there should be a limit as to the number of appeals
[speaker001:] now there's some and maybe now I don't remember if this is Texas or not that has something about all drug dealers can be sentenced to the death sentence
[speaker002:] um um well no
[speaker001:] convicted drug dealers
[speaker002:] not just for dealing in drugs it uh
[speaker001:] is it what is what's the rule
[speaker002:] there are certain circumstances and I don't remember what they are
[speaker001:] it's something of the distribution they're on the distribution end
[speaker002:] uh yes
[speaker001:] they're not selling them they're distributing them it's for the large dealers is what it's reserved for
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and they they are in effect killing people
[speaker002:] oh oh yes yes I I believe it's any capital crime related to drugs
[speaker001:] oh okay
[speaker002:] I think that's the way it's worded
[speaker001:] is that how it's worded I knew it was there but I I or proposed or is it proposed or is it passed
[speaker002:] I do believe that's in uh I wouldn't swear to it myself but I thought it I thought it was in effect
[speaker001:] I believe it is I believe you're right though I think it is and I have to agree with that
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I I think it certainly should be one of the options uh I've been fortunate with my children and grandchildren so far that I know I qualify that heavily because you never know but to the best of my knowledge we haven't had a major problem yet
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but it just touches so many young people
[speaker002:] oh it does uh I have four sons myself and the youngest is twenty eight so they are all pretty well grown up and they all went through it you know going through high school and everything
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] and knock wood that uh they have not well I won't say they didn't try it uh I wouldn't know but uh they I doubt very much that they're they're using it now in fact I'm sure they don't
[speaker001:] well my children are about in the same age bracket I thi nk let's see the oldest is thirty two and the youngest is probably twenty seven twenty eight
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] so it's the same age bracket
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] and there's four two girls and two boys and I think one of each experimented very slightly with pot and I think that was the extent of it to the best of my knowledge
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah that's usually the way it is it it's just uh try it out with their peers and none of them even smoke they don't uh they never been strangely enough uh their mother and I both smoked when they were growing up now my my my wife my ex-wife she quit uh well when she was pregnant with the last one and she never started up again and I just quit oh about fourteen months and two weeks ago
[speaker001:] boy that's tough
[speaker002:] yes it is I and it seems to be getting tougher as time goes by
[speaker001:] my husband hasn't quit yet and he knows he should and he knows and he knows but he hasn't
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] I do respect the fact though that he refuses to smoke in the same room with me he he's very conscious of of passive smoking and he's concerned about it but
[speaker002:] well
[speaker001:] hasn't quite made it yet
[speaker002:] well when I was still smoking I I felt that way if I was in a public restaurant seated at table with uh non smokers I would try to pick a seat a a my seat where the smoke would blow away from them or I'd hold the cigarette under the table
[speaker001:] yeah I've seen all of this yeah
[speaker002:] and uh but uh now I'm on the shoe's on the other foot uh I'm aware of other people smoking now
[speaker001:] well Charles will actually Charles will not smoke in anyone else's house except our own
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] he will get up and he'll go outside you know and he he's so when we're invited to people's house he will not smoke in their house which I think is good because there's a lot of people that are very particularly if they have children
[speaker002:] yes uh-huh
[speaker001:] but uh and he's you know he tries his best but the actual quitting he hasn't done he changed brands to a brand he doesn't like he put up all of his ash trays he will not smoke in a comfortable position you know but still he's done everything the Smokers Anonymous tell you to do except quit smoking it's a
[speaker002:] uh uh-huh
[speaker001:] it is long process
[speaker002:] well the there's a trick I use they used to leave my cigarettes in the glove compartment
[speaker001:] oh how neat
[speaker002:] and every time I wanted one I have to go outside and just take one one at a time and uh that that's gets to be uh a deterrent
[speaker001:] he has his in the kitchen