[speaker001:] well Jackie uh on taxes I I'd guess I'd have to say that I my opinion is that I'd do think that Americans are paying too much in taxes uh what's your feeling about that
[speaker002:] I agree I think taxes are high
[speaker001:] right uh where you live do you you have a state income tax and a sales tax both
[speaker002:] um yes uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh uh-huh yeah in New Hampshire we have uh uh no no what we call broad base taxes no income tax and no sales tax
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] uh we tax business uh eight percent businesses are taxed eight percent and we have uh what we call the five B's uh for our taxes booze uh butts cigarettes beds uh hotel room tax bellies a meal tax and bets uh gambling
[speaker002:] uh-huh oh
[speaker001:] so uh we do have a very low tax rate but you know combined with the federal income tax I think that Americans uh generally do pay in too too much in taxes
[speaker002:] right yeah I agree I agree I think this is about time of the year where you you just start getting um well if you do get money back from like jobs like I'm still a student so um I only work part time so I I get a check back
[speaker001:] uh-huh well that's nice
[speaker002:] from from taxes but
[speaker001:] nice to nice to get a refund
[speaker002:] yeah it is but it's not much
[speaker001:] uh-huh do you think that uh for whatever taxes we do pay that uh we're getting value for it
[speaker002:] so no
[speaker001:] yeah uh my my opinion of taxes is that when you send money to Washington or to the state and they say they're going to send some back it's like giving yourself a transfusion it's like one arm giving the other a transfusion
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know what I mean
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh it it really uh I should say one arm giving another arm a transfusion through a leaky tube because
[speaker002:] yeah there you go
[speaker001:] right because uh yeah there's an old saying in in amongst taxes and politicians that uh there's a fly paper effect and that is that money tends to stick where it lands first and when you send it to Washington or send it to your state capitol uh a lot of it stays there and uh not that much comes back to you
[speaker002:] right yeah I don't know I don't doesn't seem like they're doing much with it neither I mean there's plans there and now with the voting and and people you know getting into senate and government and stuff I mean they have nice plans and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um but they don't always work and then you know they try to raise taxes more and I don't what happens with all the money because if their plans don't work you know and the taxes get raised I don't know I'm not you know really into politics I don't really understand it but
[speaker001:] that's it um-hum
[speaker002:] it's just you know
[speaker001:] well it does it it it it does seem that uh the more taxes that are raised the more the politicians spend uh it's almost like they'll spend as much as the they were were they're allowed to collect you know
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] um I there's an interesting proposal that's been uh going around now for a few years of having a flat tax uh ten percent or thirteen percent there would be no figuring I mean you would take your income tax you'd have a certain amount I mean you you take your total salary
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh those who made under a certain amount wouldn't have owe any taxes and then there'd be a set amount for however many people you know dependents you had
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] and you would just pay a flat tax no exemptions no deductions or anything else after you you know after you uh figure out you know who's in your family
[speaker002:] right huh
[speaker001:] and that would eliminate a lot of the bureaucracy in the IRS and it would eliminate all these loop holes that the fat cats get away with you know
[speaker002:] yeah that could be nice
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] huh
[speaker001:] I I'd like to see something like that yeah I think it would be fairer and uh it would put a lot you know a lot of the tax attorneys out of business and I'm sure they'll fight it tooth and nail but I really think a flat tax would be a lot fairer for all Americans
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I mean it doesn't seem right that somebody that makes twenty five or thirty thousand dollars pays four five thousand dollars in taxes while somebody that makes uh two hundred and fifty thousand dollars might pay nothing in taxes
[speaker002:] yeah right hm
[speaker001:] doesn't seem fair to me
[speaker002:] yeah it isn't there's not much out there that's fair that's for sure
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] huh I'll agree to that
[speaker001:] right I think your taxes in Wisconsin are pretty high I I if I'm not mistaken aren't they I mean for your state what is do you know what your state income tax rate is
[speaker002:] um um no I I have no idea I just
[speaker001:] twenty percent
[speaker002:] my dad does it all for me
[speaker001:] just you just pay it huh
[speaker002:] I use
[speaker001:] you're like you're like my daughter who's in in college down in Massachusetts and uh she works as a waitress and she's attending college full time also and she sends her taxes to me and I figure them out she really has no idea she gets a refund check and
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah