[speaker001:] so what do you sell them or what
[speaker002:] uh don't don't bit your tongue no no actually I'm a system engineer and uh I I'm sitting right know before there my Mac is at my right hand and my DOS machine is at my left hand and
[speaker001:] alright I've got a Mac in front of me as well
[speaker002:] good for you
[speaker001:] yeah well I it's weird um where I came from they were all IBM oriented because I'm a doctoral student at UCF University of Central Florida
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and I IBM got to the campus first a long time ago and established themselves so I was real IBM format when I came up here to Minnesota
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but now up here everybody at Honeywell is Macintosh oriented or Sun or Silicon Graphics or what ever
[speaker002:] give me a graphical interface any day huh
[speaker001:] well I don't know yes yes and no in a way I find almost that I am slower on graphical interface than I am on textural
[speaker002:] yeah it seems to be the great equalizer that's one thing that I've notice is uh you you put uh open windows on a sun and I don't see amazing power from it it doesn't degrade as much under a load as a typical
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] like an intel chip would but uh it it like I said I I I consider GUIs as a great equalizer you know they help people work but they seem to bring all of the machine to there knees
[speaker001:] right so because yeah that true actually I'm I'm kind of interfacing interested in uh I'm a human factors person
[speaker002:] oh really that's interesting work
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that's what my doctorate degree going to be in so I'm kind of interested interested in the interface of the whole anyway you know but uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh that would be um
[speaker001:] who who do you work for
[speaker002:] this is a great time for you to be into it you know
[speaker001:] well yeah yeah I hope so actually interfacing is not really my forte I'm more into uh aircraft displays and controls
[speaker002:] um-hum oh heads up this ways and such
[speaker001:] well yeah stuff like that generally I'm right now my dissertation is more into auditory display but uh you know things like beats and buzzers and tones and stuff
[speaker002:] oh so are you a Star Trek fan
[speaker001:] uh yeah actually
[speaker002:] I've heard a lot of really uh good thing from human factor people about the way that they you know the the the bridge of the new enterprise
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah yeah that that seems to be a pretty good pretty good thing as for as I can tell who who do you work for in Rochester
[speaker002:] I work for a company called Western New York Computing System for twenty year old company and uh we are affiliated with MicroAge I know that
[speaker001:] oh okay  yeah
[speaker002:] makes people some people squeamish but uh
[speaker001:] well not me
[speaker002:] yeah uh you know it's a it a it's fascinating work and uh
[speaker001:] it would
[speaker002:] never never a dull moment you know
[speaker001:] yeah I can say you know for me shoot in the last five or six years if I hadn't had access to a computer I would really be screw in a big way you know because I've
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I had a I use to have a IBM compatible and I got my my thesis done and actually my master degree on it and now that I'm trying to work on my dissertation you know it just it's really good that I've access to a Mac and stuff so
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] yeah it's helped
[speaker002:] on yeah you can just you know you can just type type type type get it all in there and make it look really excellent and uh some of some of the checkers and thing they have nowadays or
[speaker001:] you bet yeah yeah you can build the fancy art work and stuff
[speaker002:] are a real benefit oh yeah sure I even seen uh you can download a three dimensional
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh Chemical CAD
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] small package that lets you draw molecule in three dimension and huh scary stuff you know
[speaker001:] well that's pretty nifty yeah well what do you think about Unix in terms of it's popularity if do you think that is going to blossom or what
[speaker002:] well I'm a little worried about um you know uh what do they call it a government poses
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but um because it could it could fragment it but the government has brought into that type of operating system know and the government seem to derive
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh you know there is a whole other offshoot people company will developing for that market and then turn around and sell those products into the commercial markets and so I think were going to see a lot in there it's got a lot of promise I don't
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] I mean it's it it's been underrated um you know you can you can scale the Unix system
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] to fit the need you know you can go all the way from a desktop to a mainframe
[speaker001:] yeah now that's that's the real good thing is the versatility and everything I I've got a lot of friends that work at NASA and uh and Cape Kennedy and things and there all really like
[speaker002:] on Unix um-hum
[speaker001:] really pro Unix and like that's the future of mankind in computing you know type of thing and I'm not I'm not real certain that I agree with that but
[speaker002:] well I I'm I use to be um a very strong Apple supporter and I was a little worried about this unholy alliance that they have entered into with no with IBM
[speaker001:] with Microsoft or with IBM yeah
[speaker002:] but um you know there there there's a company called Talogent that's uh third spin off of both of the company it's like there there spawn and uh there working on an object oriented operating system that is going to hold a lot of promise
[speaker001:] yeah hum no uh
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] that's