[speaker001:] well I don't know I mean I don't know what you think about this subject I the I had never really thought of what they said before about allowing the the sentencing to uh to go to the judge instead of the jury and allowing him to do that I've been kind of sitting here thinking about that a little bit while we was waiting for them to find somebody and I don't know that that's not a good idea
[speaker002:] that's not a bad idea I um uh that you know they probably need to change it somehow uh the whole system needs changing we've just got too many people in there and uh
[speaker001:] I agree
[speaker002:] docket and are putting too many uh people in jail that probably don't need to be there and it's another form of sentencing but on that one thing I I still think it should be a unanimous decision uh I think we're getting to the point now where they're gonna eventually let it be um majority vote
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh yeah I agree yeah
[speaker002:] and that's not gonna be good no
[speaker001:] I don't like that no I don't like that at all I know my husband served on a on a jury a few months ago up here in Denton that uh was a guy it was it was a drug conviction and I don't remember he had some cocaine and it it was accused of selling it and I don't remember exactly how much he had but uh actually not selling it there's a difference couriering couriering it is what and and there's supposedly a difference from selling then being a courier if he was a courier and um
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] they he he sat on that jury and they found him guilty and they went through the sentencing phase and everything and uh you know they were told that you know during the trial that this is this guy's first offense and he's got this clean record and and they ended up the jury you know decided hey it's time to crackdown here you know and it's time to to do this drug thing and let's crackdown and let's really and they sentenced him to fifteen years you know which they thought first offense okay this is they thought that that was that was a good thing and they sentencing him to fifteen years and um after it was all over uh the judge they sit down with the judge and with the other two lawyers
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] let me come over in just a second okay and sat down with the judge and with the other two lawyers and they were told that uh he would probably serve three
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] of the fifteen and that he had three previous convictions however they could not tell the judge the jury that during the trial because all three of them were in appeal
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] so the jury didn't know about it so here they based their sentencing thinking that this was this guy's first offense and so you know we'll give him fifteen which'll teach him a lesson but it's not just
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] you know horrible since it was first offense and he'd been convicted three times before you know and and the jury was very upset and my husband came home at home very upset I mean he felt like that that they had been tricked you know and so
[speaker002:] yeah yeah right that
[speaker001:] something I wonder if a judge didn't have control of that if some of that would change you know
[speaker002:] yeah and the judge might know or at least it it wouldn't hurt to switch over there and see if it worked any better if it didn't we can come back for something else or or or what we've got so well we definitely need a change in the system and uh
[speaker001:] that's true that's very true yeah yeah obviously what we're doing is not working you know no
[speaker002:] it's not working too it's just piling up on us
[speaker001:] yeah and there's you know there's people in our prisons that are not being rehabilitated in any way shape or form and either they're in there forever or when they get out they're you know it's a matter of a few months and they're gonna be right back for the same thing so the system
[speaker002:] right right yeah we're just not willing to as a society not willing to spend the time or the money to do what it takes yeah
[speaker001:] that's very true yeah I was talking to a friend of mine about this the other day and I said you know I understand that there are a lot of countries that rely on the United States
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] to and and and the people in those countries rely on our money to survive but I really believe that we need to take care of ourselves I mean we and and it would I know people say oh it would be cruel to you know pull our aid from these other countries and and maybe so so tell them you've got five years
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] to work out a plan to make it on your own
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and we will continue funding you for the next two years after two years we're cut it down seventy to seventy five you know seventy five percent and after another year we'll cut it fifty percent and in five years
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] it should by then you should all should have a plan worked where you can make it on your own without our help
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] and then we'll have all we'll have we will have the money if we would do that to to work on our own system because we've got some serious problems here and we're trying to heal the world you know it's just not
[speaker002:] very true yeah oh yeah you're very accurate
[speaker001:] it's just not working I look at the I look at what you know this what the aid we're sending to the Kurds and I I feel sorry for them and I know they're suffering and I know they're dying every day but we've got you know kids here in the United States that are dying every day too you know and being
[speaker002:] sure oh
[speaker001:] abused and neglected and you know I don't know I just have this problem with
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] trying to heal the world when you're so sick yourself you know so
[speaker002:] right well we seem to agree on the jury thing and uh but uh we'll need an unanimous verdict and maybe let the judge have a opportunity to make the sentence yeah
[speaker001:] yeah I think we should try it like you say if it doesn't work we can always come back but I think it would be a good idea to try it
[speaker002:] I do too
[speaker001:] so anyway well we all agree you too bye-bye
[speaker002:] well good good to hear from you bye-bye