[speaker002:] well Julie um are you in a situation where you'd soon need to deal with uh special care for elderly
[speaker001:] well I don't know my grandfather is ninety two years old
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and he is still living by himself my mother grandmother died a couple of years ago
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] but he doesn't want to to move away he lives in a lil farmhouse on a farm and he recently had to have an operation but he just really doesn't wanna go to a nursing home
[speaker002:] is he able to uh still do do everything himself pretty well
[speaker001:] well he was until this operation he has arthritis
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] and now I don't really think he's doing that well and my a lot of my aunts and uncles live near him and I have one aunt that really looks after him a lot
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but um my great-grandfather was put in a nursing home when he was a hundred and three
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and um died six weeks after they put him in the home
[speaker002:] yeah and I'm sure that kind of thing would influence your father's grandfather's feelings because um I think you know I think for a lot of people it really is the decision of do they still have some of their life left
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and and far as far as I'm sure a lot of people going into a nursing home is like saying my life is over and I'm just here for the rest of the stay and so I you know I guess most of the time when I think about somebody going into a nursing home it's more a case of where they are not able to look after their day-to-day needs ah they can look after a lot of things but there's some of the day-to-day needs that they just are not able to deal with physically anymore
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um I know my none of my grandparents were in a nursing home they generally were able to have someone care for them at home and they died but they were all goodness younger than your grandparents like they were in their eighties that type of thing um but I did uh you know I guess uh when I think nursing home I do think of people that are not able to do some take care of themselves physically hum
[speaker001:] but I just don't think that nursing homes really do a very good job
[speaker002:] and that's that's difficult part because I think what they ofend get used as is uh almost like a very high level or long-term care for uh similar to a hospital
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um I know like here in Saskatchewan we have our hospital care well and the care actually for the elderly older people graded in level in four levels and a level four type of care would be someone that really requires long-term hospital care ah generally are not able to look after thisselves to very to a very great extent physically often times they even have mental difficulty with senility or Alzheimer's disease or those or or physical and mental handicaps um you know where they really required twenty four hour supervision of some kind even though it may be minimal
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh but I think it can be helpful in that uh it gets people the level of physical care they need um
[speaker001:] but I don't I mean at least I mean I think some nursing homes do that but I think a lot of nursing homes really um are guilty of neglect
[speaker002:] yeah I think and I think it happens more in areas where it's uh I guess uh a broad social medical system where uh you know there's government medical care and that kind of thing if it it's the lot where it's funded by the individuals and and I guess that's sort of my lack of understanding I think that a majority of the places in the US um you know there is some government aid available but the majority of it is to the ability of the individual to pay
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh if you're not able to look after yourself then you have to rely on