[speaker001:] the best to do
[speaker002:] for voting well I think that uh I guess I just everybody knows that education is is important but I guess the main thing is there's some things you just don't care about so if you don't care about them you don't vote for them right
[speaker001:] one of the biggest stumbling block is at first getting registered
[speaker002:] yeah although although uh that's there's a lot of people out there that'll do that for you that I just thought of something now that that made a big difference to me and uh come to think of it it's got to do with Jerry Brown and that's when I was in I used to live in California and when he was Secretary of State there one of the things that he did was he sent out a booklet and the booklet was uh here are the issues here's the pros here's the cons here's the pro rebuttal to the cons and here's the con rebuttal to the pros by the time I got through reading that article by the time I got through reading that booklet I knew exactly what the issues were
[speaker001:] isn't that what you have now in Oregon you have the booklets
[speaker002:] well we had a little booklet and it says here's the issues
[speaker001:] yep and each uh party or whatever against or for the proposition or
[speaker002:] but for fifty bucks you can or whatever it is fifty or three hundred or five hundred or something like that you can put in a statement for or against but the nice thing about this other thing was that and was that you have uh like I say you have the people say well it's going to uh it's gonna reduce taxes and the other people say yeah it'll reduce taxes but at the expense of something else and so it was how shall I say it it was kind of focused pros and the cons and then the rebuttal and so I got to see both sides whereas in the current booklet it just says here's uh if somebody thinks it's a good idea he tells me but you know it's are you uh are you involved in software
[speaker001:] excuse me
[speaker002:] are you an engineer or or involved in software at all
[speaker001:] oh well that yeah
[speaker002:] okay well one of the things about a lot of programs is they tell you what they do but they don't tell you what they don't do and the only way you know what I mean they say oh look this is great this this slices slices bread but they don't tell you that that it also mashes it at the same time and uh so that
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah I I I understand to giving pros and cons and being informed but
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I thinking also uh you can you should have voter registration by phone things like that
[speaker002:] well out here they do it by uh mail you can do it by mail that
[speaker001:] yeah well you you know a lot of places do it by mail but a lot of people don't but you know get to the step of putting it into the mail you know and uh if you can do it from the phone and pick it up at anytime twenty four hours a day and do it that's that'll make
[speaker002:] well the problem with that I think is fraud we haven't been around voter fraud uh too much but
[speaker001:] well well actually there's there are ways I mean if they can get the speaker identity verification and those kind of technologies out there it would help um you know in terms of verifying who they are and what they're saying and and uh you know people could uh use that you know
[speaker002:] or the other option I guess is to I mean why do you even have to do it over the phone why couldn't you just walk up to the booth and and uh register right there and then they have with uh everything hooked up by the computer you could say okay you've already voted
[speaker001:] where do you live yeah and all that stuff yeah they don't do that which is a problem and uh I don't know I think um that or you can also the problem is also oh motivating people to do it seeing that their voting has an impact on the process and people frankly don't see any connection with what they they vote and what happens so they very frustrated and they don't do anything so there's learned helplessness type of you know no matter what I do it's not gonna help so why bother
[speaker002:] that's that's certainly true too
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] there's uh the other side of the coin is that uh in the educational side the IRS does a wonderful job right about now at putting articles in the paper about uh motivating motivating people to turn in their taxes
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh and I don't think the that very many people try to motivate you to to vote
[speaker001:] um-hum well they should I you know what I think also they should do is build in the process the election process
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] is not just vote getting I mean to get those people candidates saying that not that their votes aren't any good unless they also motivate so many percent of the populace to vote they could be identified by them
[speaker002:] oh I see what you're saying
[speaker001:] so put it in the political process that that you know not only you have to get petitions in order to get on the ballot but you have to attract you know you have to attract so many people just to come to vote they don't have to vote for you but they have to come to the polls and actually vote you know those something built in to the system to motivate people to to bring them into the process and especially the people who wanna hold office I mean that's what