[speaker001:] yes so what have you painted recently
[speaker002:] all right oh recently let me think actually recently I've just done some you know touch up types of painting although I'm looking at a few of the ceilings like uh in the family room and uh I'm wondering if I should take that project on myself and that's a little harder uh yeah you know me well so yeah I do most of the painting myself uh you know uh outdoors no you know outdoors uh gets too high with you know have to hire a professional for that um what about you
[speaker001:] well my kitchen ceiling has needed painting for uh four years now and I'm having painted the apartment that I left in Syracuse I I really hesitate to do ceilings because I get more paint on me than on on the the ceiling but now that they redid the roofs all of our ceilings need it because it popped a lot of nails
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so I think this summer I'm going to take on the kitchen first and then try to do the others because I want to pull up the carpeting and put hardwood all through the house
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] so I think
[speaker002:] so that that's a lot of uh yeah you've got your work laid out for you
[speaker001:] right I figure by by doing it before I put in the carpeting you know the carpet is so bad whatever I spill it's too bad
[speaker002:] right well that's that's a good idea get get the pointing over with and then the carpet's going to go anyway
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] right yeah well uh uh I'm thinking for this summer of uh I'm contemplating actually uh doing a lot of wallpaper I think in the basement you know what having a problem of the basement being finished but you know with uh it's being used as a recreation center it's uh it's constantly either a matter of constantly touching up or maybe putting something more durable that I can wipe down and doesn't have to be painted all the time
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and so I'm thinking of maybe uh you know if I can find some fairly neutral tasteful wallpapers of maybe just papering and and that has seemed to work pretty well upstairs you know with with kids so it's uh you know it doesn't require that every year the house has to be repainted which usually I guess most people must paint about every two years
[speaker001:] oh I would hope not because it seems to me that it would get too thick uh and start peeling maybe
[speaker002:] oh really yeah I I don't know I always assumed
[speaker001:] I think it's should I don't know my my impression is it's more like four years four years it starts needing it and people usually get around to it at five or six years
[speaker002:] yeah well yeah I think that's true I mean some of the areas haven't been touched since we moved in six years ago I know exterior paints really if it's done well uh two good coats and a primer uh I think uh exterior paint probably should last somewhere around seven to ten years I think
[speaker001:] oh exterior that long that would be
[speaker002:] uh I I thought so you know I would say no less than definitely no less than five I think if your exterior paint is peeling after a year or two then there's probably something going on with the wood uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I don't know uh that that's my impression people don't do the outsides as often I know in this neighborhood it seemed like last year everybody was going crazy to have their exterior painted and that was the the first time for most people
[speaker001:] but that's just trim right
[speaker002:] uh yeah trim yeah the aluminum doesn't need to be painted but yeah the trim and most people were doing it last year for the first time and that was five years
[speaker001:] yeah right uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh course the first original coat was so bad that maybe five years even wouldn't have been necessary if it had been done correctly the first time you know
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] uh interior I don't know I have known people that every about every two years they they redo their paint and I guess a lot of the the drywall in these houses soaks so much of the paint in
[speaker001:] oh okay okay
[speaker002:] and uh maybe in a older plastered house this wouldn't uh this would be too often but I think I think with the drywall they use now the plaster board really seems to soak in the paint
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] so I'm not I'm not sure two years would be too often I don't want to do it that often
[speaker001:] I know I was going to say what a mess
[speaker002:] no no I don't want to it's a that's one of the things I don't enjoy painting that much I guess uh it's okay for a while but I find it gets it gets uh boring or tiring pretty quickly so yeah
[speaker001:] right right yeah well very good
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] but
[speaker002:] so
[speaker001:] small world
[speaker002:] uh well yeah oh right that's really
[speaker001:] anyway so uh and then you're pleased with your your jobs once you're done
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] I mean you don't feel you should have paid somebody to do the same job you did anyway
[speaker002:] no no no not at all I I I think that uh what uh the the work that I've done that's one reason I do it uh if if I really felt that it was going to be a sloppy job and I was sorry you afterward the way it looks I wouldn't attempt to take it on but uh there are a few tricks you know that you learn to use and I've found that uh the one sided paper type of tape that peels off is is just excellent I used to I used to try to edge when as I'd get up toward the ceilings and I found that's really impossible to do but when you use the the one edge paper uh it it really makes a nice neat job You know you let the paint dry for about a half an hour an hour and peel it off and it's a perfect clean line and and I've found that it can also be used uh well like I've gone back and I've painted after wallpaper has been put up around crown moldings and things like that and again the tape really comes in handy you just cover up anything you don't want paint to get on and paint and take it off and sometimes you can even reuse the tape it just peels off like those notepads type of thing
[speaker001:] but this isn't masking tape
[speaker002:] no it's not a masking tape it's it's about uh you can get it in different widths I'd say the most narrow is about two inches and it gets about as wide as four inches the glue on it is not across the whole thing it's only across the top much like the yellow pads that you peel off
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and it just comes in big rolls and so if you're doing you don't want to get paint on the ceiling for example say you want the ceiling a different color you roll this tape all along the length of the room you paint right up against it you can even get it on the tape itself and then whenever the paint is dry most interior paints seem like they're dry within a a half an hour an hour you just peel this tape off and it's enough that enough glue or whatever is on it that it it stays while you're painting but it doesn't do any damage to paint or wallpaper that's underneath it
[speaker001:] oh great
[speaker002:] so it's really good uh you know I've put it up along the uh well I've had borders up near the ceiling in the living room I've put the tape along there and then painted the crown molding and it didn't didn't do any damage to the wallpaper
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh great
[speaker002:] uh so that's you know so I think there are a few little things uh different size brushes good brushes I guess a lot of people make the mistake I've found good brushes make a big difference
[speaker001:] do you ever use these pads
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] I pad the paint on
[speaker002:] oh I've had yes I've used those and I like those actually they cover a lot more area
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and they're not as you don't get drips as well you can get drips you have to be a little careful but they hold quite a bit of paint so I found you're not constantly dipping like with a brush
[speaker001:] right yeah right
[speaker002:] and uh it goes on very nice and evenly like sometimes with brushes you can sort of see streaks if you get it too thick and you don't have splatters like with a roller
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] so I do I do like those and sometimes I guess if you're good at it you could uh you could use it to inch up towards ceilings and things like that although I've never been that good at doing that I've found that the tape works best for me
[speaker001:] right now even with tape I think I was just thinking of using the pads instead of a brush but for ceilings I did try it and and uh I got a lot of paint on the kitchen table I was trying to to just patch the the kitchen ceiling there yeah and so I have to learn how to use pads but I have a friend in Syracuse who who paints everything with pads and she does ceilings
[speaker002:] oh is that right uh-huh
[speaker001:] so I'm going to have to ask her what the trick is she'll probably say hire me to come down and do it
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah well I don't yeah that's right I don't I don't know I guess maybe the trick with the pads on the ceiling is that you have to put a minimal amount of paint on there you probably aren't going to be able to cover as much of a surface as you would if you're doing it on a wall because if it drips you can just sort of smooth it all out uh
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and I haven't tried that but that's an idea because I find that ceilings are really difficult in terms of how you have to be positioned to do them and your arms are up so it's tiring uh
[speaker001:] right right that's why I want to do the kitchen first I figure I can stand on the kitchen table
[speaker002:] yeah that's true uh so have you been happy with the painting that you've done or do you wish that you you had hired a professional or
[speaker001:] no I I'm happy with it but I just don't do it very often or very much because it's so time consuming and because I am tend to be a perfectionist about it
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and you know what I figure is first I have to scrub the walls
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and I mean if you hire a painter they don't do that just
[speaker002:] right what does scrubbing is that just is that to get smudges off so they
[speaker001:] no to