[speaker001:] crime in the cities and I guess in some of the rural areas too seems to be going up I don't know it'll ever go down on any steady basis uh more people more opportunities and somewhat of a lessened uh sensitivity toward it it's almost um you know it's almost expected that that's going to occur and there's not quite the shock any more especially the so-called littler things where people tend to steal a little time at work or steal a few supplies or uh the whole defense industry's had some problems in that realm even the CEO's tend to steal a little of that here and there and uh then you get into whole areas of crime like drug usage and organized crime and as far as steps to reduce it uh I'm not sure that there's anything that hasn't been tried we might have ought to come up with something new if we could but uh you can't keep throwing money at it and
[speaker002:] well you mentioned one of my pet buzz words there which is sensitivity to it and particularly violence I uh really get uh ticked off with uh seeing this violence so much of it on TV and so forth in the movies
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] I think that uh it does goes a lot toward uh you know like you say it gives people a kind of a makes them insensitive to it and
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it's
[speaker001:] it's hard to judge but uh you know just thinking back I don't seem to recall my growing up days I'm only thirty three but it uh looking back on the years that I played with other kids we only played so-called war you know a few times and and then uh
[speaker002:] cowboys and Indians in my case
[speaker001:] yeah that kind of a deal as opposed to to uh you know having shooting giant cannons and all the kind of warfare that kids are playing with today you know they turn the stick into a cannon instead of a simple little gun
[speaker002:] I think kids are the answer that's uh that's where our uh hopefully the cure lies if there you know is to be one
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] get uh get the schools uh corrected to to some extent
[speaker001:] there was another uh angle that I I started seeing as uh the Polish situation and some of the Soviet uh countries as it were uh they started coming into the news and you started hearing about some of their troubles and the like and some of their their crime problems it made me wonder just how the uh outlook of the future affects people's decisions to either commit crimes or how they live or whatever uh it seems like they the poorer the situation or the poorer the outlook the more likely they are to commit a crime
[speaker002:] yeah I think uh if you got
[speaker001:] uh that makes sense
[speaker002:] that's of course I guess one of the root causes is uh the have nots or people that are without you know
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] well that's not of course that's not the total thing but that'd explain a lot of it and then uh I guess the drug thing is really uh become a an engine for crime here lately
[speaker001:] yeah that's true I mean it feeds upon itself not only does it make the person stagnant and not very capable of social progress in the realm of uh earning a living in the way that the norm is uh but it you know makes for a habit that has to be supported at a rate that uh can't be supported by uh that person as far as working goes I mean you can't be that much into drugs and still hold down a job capable of paying for that much drugs so
[speaker002:] um yeah
[speaker001:] it's a vicious circle in and of itself there's really uh I don't know a a bit of an eye-opener I guess even to see some of the the portions of the States United States that are becoming depressed economically and to see that the high schoolers that are coming out of school why even for the past two to three years uh there's nothing for them you know uh a lot of these rural areas college wasn't even a a consideration for the majority of them they kind of are confident that they could just move right on into industry and industry's gone from a lot of these areas and there's nothing to go into
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so they still feel trapped and feel you know they were looking forward to getting out on their own and getting away from whatever uh family problems they had and so they just turned to whatever be it drugs or be it crime or some way to make the money to get away from the situation they're in and
[speaker002:] yeah I'd agree with that
[speaker001:] uh I guess that's not going to do anything but spread as as uh economic hardships spread and so will the the crimes of that age group I guess I've got a a brother-in-law that's on the police force and and his uh wife is a uh nurse in an emergency room and boy when they come home from work together they have the worst stories to share I mean we spent a week with them down in Corpus Christi and and just the things that they have to uh you know Spring break's a big deal and and uh he was telling me that he had to be on the scene of an accident where five teenagers all of the them drunk uh collided head on and every single one of them died three in one car and two in another and
[speaker002:] um um
[speaker001:] and uh as if that wasn't bad enough the the ones that were half alive that they rushed to the hospital and she got to work on and she got to see them die and uh and they just get all the world's worst situations very few rewarding situations uh and
[speaker002:] um that's got to be a a grim uh supper topic there
[speaker001:] grim family yeah yeah and they fortunately they have some some success stories to share and I try to tell them to dwell on those I can't see how they can both stand uh to live that way but they don't see much uh hope for neither one of them sees any real solution to the to the problems uh
[speaker002:] well it's got to be frustrating as hell for a particularly a cop you know they uh they go out and make the arrests and I guess the jails crowded the way they are before they can get the paperwork finished huh they're releasing them or they're releasing somebody just like them you know it's a revolving door that uh
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] has to be uh just uh beat your head against the wall of frustration you know
[speaker001:] yeah I meant to ask him the last time I was talking with him if uh if there are any circumstances under which they suspend the normal paperwork for just even a minor wreck because uh numerous times there there have been just a two car or three car incident and he starts his paperwork when you know he's gets there and then by the time they all cleared out and gone he's still sitting there doing paperwork on this deal and I said wonder what those California officers do when they have those you know twenty and thirty car pileups on the highway if it'd take a officers uh you know whole army of officers just to do the paperwork
[speaker002:] yeah well
[speaker001:] that's a
[speaker002:] uh I know that uh minor uh wrecks don't require uh police here
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um uh you just exchange your insurance information
[speaker001:] right it just be up up to something I guess that was big enough to to call them out for well I got one one kid needing me so I'll
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] see if we get together again sometime
[speaker002:] okay Greg
[speaker001:] nice talking to you
[speaker002:] nice talking to you bye-bye
[speaker001:] bye