[speaker001:] well I grew up out in the country and uh was used to having uh guns around the place and uh I'm
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I'm not for gun control in the strictest sense of the uh word
[speaker002:] uh-huh I I think I'm kind of bent towards middle liberal of the bridge myself you know I have quite a collection myself and you know I'm a good hunter and I
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] started hunting when I was twelve years old of course my parents made me take hunters safety classes and you know I don't want to see them ban guns completely but I don't want them to completely turn loose of their controls either
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well I I feel that its uh I think the what was it the National Rifle Association uh had this bumper sticker a few years back if uh about if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns then
[speaker002:] so I believe that
[speaker001:] and I believe that too because the person that's wanting to commit a crime is going to find a way to get a gun gun gun a knife a a rock a stick whatever it is to commit a crime with
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and it's the honest citizens like ourselves that are responsible about use of guns uh we can handle it but there's a element that can't
[speaker002:] yeah and it's you know it's got to the point now where even our our police departments and our DEA agents and everything have to carry automatic weapons because everybody that's in drug trafficking trafficking has got them
[speaker001:] you have got them outgunned
[speaker002:] you know yeah so
[speaker001:] there was a an article in the paper just this week where I think it's uh one of the gun companies I can't remember which was developing a ten millimeter ten millimeter automatic pistol for the FBI which would give them additional firepower it had held like a fifteen shot clip which uh would be able they they would be able to put down anything that came at them
[speaker002:] um yeah yeah that would be
[speaker001:] but if you figure you got some drug guy out there that's got an Uzi machine gun uh a a a thirty eight uh Smith and Wesson revolver isn't going to do you much good
[speaker002:] yeah that's no it's sure not huh-uh
[speaker001:] yeah I have lived in uh Illinois at one time and they they passed a uh it wasn't really gun control but it was you had to register as a gun owner you didn't have to list your guns
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] but you had to have this card it was like a driver's license card that you had to have it in order to buy ammunition
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] and that's the first uh this was twenty years ago but they had that so that uh they were trying to control it a little bit uh in that respect
[speaker002:] yeah see in California they
[speaker001:] pardon
[speaker002:] in California they make you register when you buy ammunition
[speaker001:] yeah uh-huh
[speaker002:] you have to sign a they you know take your name and driver's license number hunter hunting license number and all that good stuff before you can buy any big ammunition
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] especially for handguns now rifles aren't too bad but
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know any kind of handgun at all if it will fit in a handgun and a rifle you still have to buy it or sign up for it so
[speaker001:] yeah we lived in Tennessee for awhile and I bought a pistol there and there was a fifteen day waiting period you had to fill out an application and go down to the sheriff's office and get fingerprinted
[speaker002:] uh-huh gee
[speaker001:] and then you had fifteen days while they checked to see if you had any kind of criminal record before that you could pick up the gun you were purchasing
[speaker002:] gee that's not a bad idea
[speaker001:] and no I think that uh you know a a waiting period uh can make a difference but again it's going to be the law abiding citizen that's going to comply with that
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah it is
[speaker001:] so there's I don't think there's any way to control the criminal element as far as guns is concerned because
[speaker002:] no the the only way they could do it I think would be to stiffen the penalties on anybody using a gun
[speaker001:] right right
[speaker002:] you know I think if we kind of stiffen them up a little bit course I I feel kind of weird about that anyway I think if somebody shoots somebody they ought to be shot so
[speaker001:] yeah I'm we we're getting into capital punishment now but I I agree with you there that uh
[speaker002:] yeah but you know it would definitely be gun control
[speaker001:] yeah the uh the again the purpose of gun control is to control how it's being used is what the purpose should be
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] it's not to keep people from buying a gun that need one for a specific purpose legal purpose but to keep the guy that's illegal from getting his hands on one
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah
[speaker001:] and I'm in favor of keeping the the illegal guy from getting one in his hands but the legal person or lawful person should not be penalized because there is the criminal element
[speaker002:] myself yeah well and the they're actually a necessity in life you know they're not you know not everybody needs a gun but
[speaker001:] oh yes
[speaker002:] sooner or later I need one you know whether I'm out hunting or you know I've never had to protect my life or well I did in the service but not you know not on the street
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so I don't really need one in the aspect in the aspects
[speaker001:] you don't have to carry one in your car or your uh or your pocket all the time yeah
[speaker002:] no huh-uh oh so mine are you know I use mine for recreation I don't and I enjoyed my guns I have a good time with them so
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well I know what uh I took my kids out and taught them how to shoot a gun gun my wife the same thing uh she knows how to shoot any weapon that we have not not that I have an arsenal or anything but we have several guns around the house
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] one of these days my grandkids probably
[speaker002:] probably yeah
[speaker001:] but I think it's uh you got to have have the places living in Dallas there's not that many places to go shoot
[speaker002:] no huh-uh
[speaker001:] but uh still I think they ought to know how to use one and it is not just a toy and that when it's not like on TV when someone gets shot uh they get back up if someone gets shot with a real gun they don't get back up
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I had to explain that to my I've got a six year old now and and he you know I have a fifteen year old and a seventeen year old well they understand now
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know I've taken time to teach them and now the young boy wants to know and you know like I told him you're a little bit young for a gun let me go out here and you know we'd start with the BB gun deal you know so he started with the BB gun and shot a couple of holes in a couple of windows and I took it away from him I said now
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know so he's learning the hard way but at least it was a BB gun not a twenty two or a four ten or something so
[speaker001:] yeah uh I remember I had an old uncle up by Tulsa Oklahoma that took me out and uh showed me this was it was not my it was my mother's uncle this was a gentleman in his sixties
[speaker002:] gee
[speaker001:] and he took me out with him and uh single shot twenty two and taught me how to shoot we went squirrel hunting and
[speaker002:] uh-huh all right
[speaker001:] and uh he taught me how to shoot uh an old single shot twenty two and I probably I was probably about twelve at the time and I thought that was the neatest thing at first and Uncle Sam took me out took me hunting with h im and he let me shoot and showed me how
[speaker002:] uh-huh yeah all right I think there is a lot of responsibility on any of us gun owners to make sure that whoever is around us is at least safe and knows how to use one
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] you know I don't want to get out there deer hunting and have some guy blow me away so
[speaker001:] oh yeah well that's about all I we agreed pretty well on this I think so okay well it's been real nice talking with you okay bye
[speaker002:] yeah I think so uh all right have a good one bye-bye