[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] the public school systems well everybody's known has known they've needed renovation for years but never really had a clear direction on which way to go with it
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] the first direction that I can see or I wish I would love to see them go with kids learn at different rates and for too long they've kind of lumped everybody together you'd learn at this rate and that's the only way it's going to happen
[speaker001:] yeah that's true
[speaker002:] you've got some kids that'll pick up on it in the first three minutes you're talking about it and the rest the other fifty seven minutes you've been talking about a subject you've bored them
[speaker001:] yeah yeah that's that's very true um I guess I can relate to that because I have two kids that are opposites like that uh one picks up real quick and the other one doesn't and you're right they do get bored uh really fast if they already know what you're talking about what do you propose that they do what what is your suggestions
[speaker002:] the educators need to be a little bit more open minded as well as innovative in dealing with uh the various students to get the maximum potential out of the person
[speaker001:] uh-huh out of each child
[speaker002:] out of each child some kids are going to be great with mechanical stuff other kids are going to be
[speaker001:] each individual child
[speaker002:] really into math some are really going to be heavy into reading
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] instead of pushing the scales too far either direction I mean it's great to be well rounded and have be exposed to all this stuff
[speaker001:] yeah that's
[speaker002:] but why not hit the points the kid's really interested in because if he's interested he's going to study it and he's going to learn it and he's going to remember it
[speaker001:] that's true the only I think the only thing that they would argue about that is that you know every child needs to learn every subject I mean that's that might be the only thing but I mean I I definitely agree with you um
[speaker002:] they need exposure to every subject they don't need to be masters of it
[speaker001:] right right that's true
[speaker002:] everything I learned about ancient Rome has has not helped me anywhere in my adult life
[speaker001:] um yes I definitely agree there's no doubt about that I uh I I mean I can relate to that because I'm I'm going to college right now and I feel like I mean I'm taking this history class and I mean it's so boring and I just hate it and I think why do they make us take this stuff I mean what does this have to do with getting you know a computer science degree or whatever you know
[speaker002:] what what type of history class is it that you're having to take
[speaker001:] uh American History we have to take um like this is like early seventeen hundreds through I don't know I think like mid eighteen hundreds and then we have to take another one that's mid eighteen hundreds on up to basically present
[speaker002:] well the early ones they could actually combine two two levels of it the one from seventeen hundred until
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] say the end of the Civil War combine that into one and then from eighteen sixty five to present and make that your second step because
[speaker001:] yeah that's well that's basically what they're doing
[speaker002:] to a point to a point the bottom you know the early parts of it you're giving the foundations of the nation and but even then they're skimming over they're very trivial almost trivial with it
[speaker001:] yeah oh yes definitely I agree
[speaker002:] they want if I mean if they really wanted to get to the meat of the matter I mean there's
[speaker001:] yeah there's
[speaker002:] they make all these people out to be oh they were great men and they're the father of the country and all this he had just as much dirt on him as anybody else if not more the man was not a saint
[speaker001:] yeah that's true yeah any way this this um school system thing I I tell you I saw something on the news oh I don't know maybe two weeks ago and they were talking about I don't know where you're from but I'm from the Dallas area and they were talking about the Plano school system that they had one school that uh if the students did something wrong I mean whether it was behavioral or uh you know they weren't learning properly or something they took these students and put them basically in a closet with no windows they had a a table or not a table but a desk in this closet and they had to sit in there by themselves well parents were getting really angry about this because they said why is my child being put in this closet well how is that helping my child you know and uh the the thing you know they said well we're giving them isolation time and this helps them to think  but a lot of kids I mean if a child has uh claustrophobia I mean that's just going to terrify him you know and
[speaker002:] if if the isolation concept really works that good why are our prisons overcrowded
[speaker001:] uh that's true that's true but no I mean they were uh I mean I definitely agree with parents I think that is a very wrong way to handle uh disciplining a child putting them in I mean they were they were called they called them their quiet rooms or their isolation rooms they didn't call them closets but they showed these rooms on uh you know on the news and I mean they looked like a closet to me you know with a desk in it a real small but they said that one of the solutions they came up with was to take the doors off of these isolation rooms I said now what good does this I mean how is this helping I mean either way you know I I definitely had to disagree with that I think that is that's not the way to handle a child you know discipline a child by putting him in a closet
[speaker002:] the the um as a part of the revamping of the entire education system on that level the public school system I want to see changed too when I was brought brought up if you crossed the line and you broke a rule bad enough you were going to get spanked well then the extreme came in and now we can no longer spank them so we now isolate them
[speaker001:] right right yep uh
[speaker002:] okay we've swung the pendulum both ways let's find a middle ground instead of there has to be some sort of discipline and there has to be some sort of punishment
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] short of physically isolating the child and short of physically hitting the child
[speaker001:] well
[speaker002:] let's put him into a situation where okay you crossed the line you broke the rule you're going to have to pay for it
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] but it's going to tax you physically
[speaker001:] uh-huh  I I don't
[speaker002:] have the I mean instead instead have have them pick up around the school yard have them weed a flower bed somewhere on the school yard do something to beautify the school property
[speaker001:] yeah that's true
[speaker002:] but you cut you know the the kid's having to give up his quote play time to
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] pay his debt for what he did wrong but he's seeing something c onstructive come out of it
[speaker001:] well um I have to I think one of the positive things I mean one of the things that can come out of uh is not just discipline discipline okay but okay for instance one of the things they do at uh my kids school uh they have what they call uh caught being good slips and when the kids are in halls and stuff and if they're being really good I mean just being excellent they're not you know cutting up and so on they're just standing in line doing whatever they are supposed to they get one of these caught being good slips and then when they collect them at the end of each week they get to go to this little what they call their caught being good store and then they get to spend these like money well see to me that's positive reinforcement is much better much better than trying to find ways to discipline kids because they're going to be good and try and earn those things you know to get the positive part of it I mean they'd rather much rather go in the store and buy something than be spanked so they're definitely going to work towards being good you know rather than trying to act up and be bad you know
[speaker002:] I think that not only applies inside the public school system but in society itself we've been too long there's been too much negative reinforcement how much day like the caught being good slips how about just the John Q citizen out there on the street
[speaker001:] yeah well that's true I think I think really though I mean that's one thing that I mean my kids definitely get spanked when they need they need to be spanked but I really do try to use positive uh reinforcement with them at home also and it really helps and I mean they they don't get spanked very often but they they do when they deserve it you know but uh I don't think any kid should be exempt from being spanked I mean I I think I wouldn't mind if a teacher spanked my child but you know that's just my personal opinion and that's not going to I mean I don't think that law will ever change they are never going to let a a teacher spank a child again but I don't think I mean some kids don't get don't get spanked at home and some kids need to be spanked at home I mean don't you think
[speaker002:] I most most most wholeheartedly agree
[speaker001:] but I don't know
[speaker002:] I mean there's a point of over kill but somewhere in you've got to find an even line
[speaker001:] right right well there's so many parents that say you can deal with a child without spanking them which is true you can but there are times when a child needs to be spanked I mean they do things that they need that
[speaker002:] need that shock effect where they equate the shock of being spanked with the actions they did to get spanked
[speaker001:] right