[speaker001:] okay well hello Frances
[speaker002:] hello Paul
[speaker001:] um yeah I guess when I uh first I guess I have mixed feelings about this uh subject when I first heard about it um I thought it was kind of a neat way of uh  screening uh uh screening for potential problems good way for companies to weed out people with drug problems but since then I've been hearing uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] well I read an article in the Wall Street Journal last year that talked about um the different results that they get from uh different labs and that uh many labs will give uh false positives especially some of the
[speaker002:] yes uh-huh
[speaker001:] the less expensive ones and that people have been denied employment on this basis
[speaker002:] well the reliability seems to  not be too great um I don't know  I'm kind of like you I have mixed feelings but all in all I think I'm for it uh I really do um
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] because we lose so much time and what have you with the the drug problem and it's just so prevalent nowadays that uh I think it's only fair for the uh employees or the employers to uh have some kind of guidelines to go by
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but like anything else this can be misused
[speaker001:] yeah there's a I know some employers have had have been able to uh reduce some tremendous problems they've had with employee turnover health problems and accidents and theft and I understand that certain jobs like if you're driving a train or plane or something of course there'd be increased need for it
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] one thing that always kind of bugged me about it was uh there's they most of them don't test for actually the number one drug problem which of course is uh alcohol abuse
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and of course that you know everybody talks about all the other drugs but uh I I understand alcohol is really still the number one health problem and the number one abused drug in in our country so it seems kind of too bad that that one's tolerated while other ones are are you know are the ones that they focus on
[speaker002:] well it is in every situation that uh alcohol is more acceptable to people it seems than the other quote drugs but uh it can do more harm with the uh I don't know we just seem to have a rash of drunk driving and killings around here lately and uh
[speaker001:] well see now in Texas uh didn't they only recently ban open containers in in vehicles a few years ago
[speaker002:] yes yes but we aren't very uh we aren't very hard even on the you know when they're picked up for drunk driving time after time again
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] this is a real problem here that they get a little slap on their wrists and there was one man here that had forty two DWI's
[speaker001:] oh man
[speaker002:] and the only reason they finally came down on him he finally did kill someone
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and an innocent bystander and when looking back he had forty two convictions and yet he was still walking loose so we've got problem here with the alcohol especially that uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh right yeah yeah I expect possibly in Texas it's uh you know a an attorney knows they get in front of a jury and the jury will be thinking well I've done that before or he's just a good old boy you know
[speaker002:] the good old yeah good old boy stuff you know well this is yeah this is natural this is tell me what do you expect
[speaker001:] yeah right what else how else do you drive in your pickup down the highway
[speaker002:] yeah and I I'm afraid you know it may come out with some of these other drugs too that uh I know I have some friends whose children of uh you know it's they use cocaine
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and it's acceptable it's becoming acceptable to them that well you know they're not
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] they're not hurting anyone else and I thought where have I heard this before and I'm afraid that's what we may be
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] facing in the very near future
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] other than that I don't know because I don't drink and I don't do drugs and it's uh so neither is really acceptable to me
[speaker001:] well same here  yeah yeah
[speaker002:] but uh then the work place it's just I don't know what is well we really infringing on other rights or their