[speaker001:] alrighty uh I guess our topic today is air pollution and we are to just discuss what substances do you think contribute most to air pollution as well as what society can do to improve the air quality of the atmosphere around us
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] um  does your work entitle uh anything in environmental along these lines
[speaker002:] me I'm in the legal department and um we do have uh a group of attorneys who handle our environmental issues
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I don't know too much about the air pollution thing I do know for other types of uh pollution like the toxic waste and such that TI has to dispose of the we normally put in the ground you know we're coming up with a a new solution we have been finding a lot of toxic places to dump and we just transport to these places but after while it always seems that the um oh the site starts to leak and then you have to clean it up and such but the new idea is to take everything up to Sherman and we're gonna have that you know incineration place up there and dump everything there and supposedly that facility will not generate air pollutants
[speaker001:] very
[speaker002:] from what I've heard that everything would be in in you know a confined kind of incinerator and just burn it all up and that we won't be polluting the air I'm sure we have to have uh permits you know for that place and that there's you know limits as to what we can uh let you know go into the air
[speaker001:] yeah it's uh having uh uh well well I work in too I work in environmentals uh projects right now and so the Sherman deal is uh uh uh
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] lost a lot of hair over that project uh what we run into um is we have the Texas Air Control Board TACB that send out uh jurisdictions under which we have to uh uh reply to
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] and a lot of their rules and regulations aren't real clear so we have our manager of environmental who assist the TACB which is located in Austin in writing and hey look what we've done here at TI
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh we are presently uh in receipt of a site permit which will allow us to um uh this is air side allow allow to have certain emissions up to a certain tonnage it's in in in tons per year um
[speaker002:] uh-huh okay
[speaker001:] and so what what you know what we do to make contributions so that basically we go and do things like put in uh high-tech scrubber systems uh that uh scrub out the NOX and uh VOCs and and the ammonia compounds uh like all the acids uh to a certain level we are very um uh aware of the opacity which is the thickness of a stack emissions so if you don't see anything coming out of a stack the opacity is zero or twenty or there abouts
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and so what we go through is uh if you see it smoking there's a problem and having worked with some of the legal folks very closely uh it becomes a real issue especially when it's smoking and you have to get it fixed el pronto
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] as you know the they're allowed to come on site the federaldes anytime they want drive through and see and inspect so it's a full time uh everybody has your home phone number type of job uh
[speaker002:] hm now is that place built or you're still in the makings of it
[speaker001:] the Sherman facility we are still in the closer to but still have a little bit of um finalization to do right it's been pitched to the Sherman uh City Council with uh open arms as well as the public we had open forum and and uh
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] uh Tom Jones our environmental corporate environmental guy's handling the project
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh it's real uh going real well I think it's matter just a matter of fund the funds right now as I understand it
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh but it's uh it's something else yeah that they're in the same issue we were uh hoping on burning a lot of the effluent up there uh because the the system is setup where it won't have any emissions uh you're correct it will have something coming out of the stack obviously just because human nature but it won't have uh any uh
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] any bad stuff so uh I think TI we spend of of of all the major semiconductor firms we probably put safety and environmental on the utmost foremost uh uh first thing we always look at and we probably put more money into the systems and engineering behind the systems than any other firm I know of we eat and sleep the stuff everything we do over here and uh it's an interesting job but um
[speaker002:] well I know from some of the sites that we've had done quite a list of sites that have gone bad and you have to clean up and you know the law now is a super fund and anybody who's contributed toxic waste no matter if you were somebody that eventually you know uh damaged the ground or not uh everybody has to contribute and it's been a lot of big bucks when we've uh gotten pulled into these uh super fund deals to clean it up that's you know mega bucks to uh you know take everything out and redo it and you know fill in some other area and um certainly it would seem to have a better solution like the Sherman facility than um just letting it go in the ground because eventually you know it it seems that no matter what they do if they put it in oil drums and then seal it in some kind of cement lined uh dump area it still only in time starts to leak out
[speaker001:] possibly
[speaker002:] yeah there there was one site that they cleaned up and then the new place leaked again
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] jeez
[speaker001:] uh I'm familiar with that one we uh we have stuff that's very interesting yeah we have hoods we have ductwork and all those type of uh interesting pieces of equipment where they have uh that we sample and it may have uh over uh a certain emission levels this is on the solid side and so we take it
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh we can't deep well inject something like that because it's a solid and we mix it with concrete and actually um potash per se and and concrete and then actually put it in the ground
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but not so not in a hazardous waste location because it's basically a concrete slab
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] which is totally legal but the cost of doing this is astronomical they actually shave up ductwork and things and so we're uh very very uh cognizitive and aware of all these type of uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] expenditures because it can get very expensive but I think we you know we do all kinds of things to make the the the world a better place to live and I think some of the folks that aren't aware of it will be surprised at how much effort and energy is put into doing that I really would um  I've enjoyed speaking with you
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] this has been an interesting topic uh I was one of the I was responsible for all the planning and engineering of the corporate area in the north building yeah
[speaker002:] oh you were oh okay
[speaker001:] so uh I hope you like your office
[speaker002:] yes yes it's a heck of a lot different I mean we we used to be really embarrassed about the gray metal desk we were about the only place in you know TI that had the gray metal desk people used to come and laugh and go gee I hadn't seen one of those in ten fifteen years
[speaker001:] yeah yeah glad to see y'all taken care of well the I think what changed everything and uh is uh y'all were y'all the only ones that make any money for TI here in the last two years
[speaker002:] we finally got a little respect nobody thought of us as a profit center before
[speaker001:] so exactly and that's um when you start making when you start paying your wages you know Jerry takes a different outlook towards you guys
[speaker002:] right right not just overhead
[speaker001:] I've enjoyed exactly I've enjoyed speaking with you see you later bye-bye
[speaker002:] you too bye