[speaker001:] okay uh what what is it what does camping mean to you and and what camping have you done
[speaker002:] oh we've done a lot of camping actually that's one of our favorite pastimes um to us camping is is a combination of tent camping as well as environmental camping
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] um and I think that really what it means to me is being outdoors in a sort of a wilderness environment and being able to enjoy nature what does it mean to you
[speaker001:] well what uh uh what what do you mean by environmental camping
[speaker002:] um there are a number of environmental cabins near where we live that uh offer some sort of dwelling some sort of um security from the elements but there's no electricity no heat no water
[speaker001:] oh okay but yeah that's neat I'm not not not had that available uh anywhere that I've lived at well uh first
[speaker002:] oh yeah State Park System I think is probably what supports a lot of those they're they're state as opposed to county facilities
[speaker001:] what what state is that
[speaker002:] California
[speaker001:] California okay I'm in Texas and uh uh
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] but most of the camping that we've done we we spent uh ten years in New England uh and my wife and I did a lot of tent camping before uh our first
[speaker002:] oh uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh boy was born uh there in in uh state parks in uh New England and uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker001:] here here in Texas there are are state parks where they have uh uh
[speaker002:] what
[speaker001:] shelters they're called uh they're wood frame on a concrete slab but screened in
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] kinds of of shelters and uh but they have uh electricity and uh water at those cabins and there there's cabins
[speaker002:] I see actually in the cabins so it's like uh a a sink
[speaker001:] well that's the no the uh there's uh one outlet and a light in the cabin uh an overhead one overhead bulb and then just outside the cabin there's a uh faucet uh coming up out of the pipe coming up out of the ground so that there's access to water like that uh
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum in in Texas what are the camp parks like if you go tent camping are you near a real wooded area or does it tend to be more um plains
[speaker001:] well uh no it's it's the the ones that I'm familiar with are are basically uh basically wooded areas uh Texas has an awful lot of uh man made lakes
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and uh uh tend to be uh wooded areas around those lakes I'm in I'm in Dallas northeast uh
[speaker002:] um-hum uh-huh what a difference from New England though I bet
[speaker001:] yes yes oh yeah yes yes there there you could uh you know depending on what kind of camping you wanted why uh you go an hour in a different direction here you go three hours in any direction and it's still about the same so uh that's a difference but we also
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh well what's it like camping with your son when he was young
[speaker001:] well well we didn't we took a break from camping uh for with the the uh boys until they uh they got into uh scouts basically and uh and then our biggest one we we rented a uh pop up tent trailer
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh several years ago and went up to uh the Black Hills and back down through the uh uh Colorado uh Rocky Mountain National uh Park and uh
[speaker002:] oh wow that's a pretty area uh-huh
[speaker001:] Colorado Springs area and so forth Pikes Peak and that was a that was a lot of fun
[speaker002:] uh-huh I bet it was for them too it's been an experience uh with our daughter who's turning two in a couple of days because she was probably six months old the first time and we had kind of missed camping
[speaker001:] yeah oh okay
[speaker002:] well I the last time we'd camped before she was born I think I was eight months pregnant because we like stretched to the very end and that was a little rough in a tent but uh she's actually done very well and has enjoyed it a lot even even as a little
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah yeah
[speaker002:] little kid so it's been kind of fun uh trying to adjust our routine and and doing it with with her as she grows up
[speaker001:] yeah yeah and
[speaker002:] I'm sure it'll be a lot different when she has a chance to really participate more
[speaker001:] right right at at at at at two she's old enough to walk but not too far I would guess and and
[speaker002:] which is what your kids have done right and she's fairly cautious so we're not too concerned about her running into the poison ivy or whatever
[speaker001:] yeah well right right but you also don't do a lot of of hiking associated with the camping I I presume yeah yeah well that that sounds good sounds good
[speaker002:] exactly uh staying close to the camp ground
[speaker001:] and uh
[speaker002:] well it sounds like you've um continued it no matter where you've been and how your family's grown so that's my aspiration as well
[speaker001:] yeah yeah and uh uh and and uh although it it after a while it gets uh with teenage boys at this point well one's uh in college but uh uh
[speaker002:] oh wow cool
[speaker001:] uh it it turns different in that uh the problem becomes one of getting getting time when they're available and don't have other activities uh
[speaker002:] right right well I guess it