[speaker001:] so um do you have a PC
[speaker002:] yes I have a Macintosh SE thirty
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah one of my friends are into Macintoshes I have a um PC my a IBM PC myself
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] a two eighty six but I'm probably eventually gonna get a three eighty six um
[speaker002:] what do you use yours for mostly
[speaker001:] um mostly um word processing applications and uh just as a dumb terminal uh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] but I'm um I think eventually I'll start using it for spread sheets and things like that um what do you find that you use yours mostly for
[speaker002:] well I do a lot of word processing and spread sheets and data base and uh about the only thing I am uh I'm just starting to get in into uh a little bit more communications now I've just today ordered a fax modem so I'll be able to
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] send and receive faxes right over there without using you know you don't have to make a hard copy that way
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh are you using windows
[speaker001:] no I I think I I'm planning on like moving up getting a three eighty six before I move up to Windows although you know I do like the the graphical user environment yeah
[speaker002:] uh-huh uh-huh well it's getting to be more and more like a Macintosh
[speaker001:] yeah it's just um I want it I want it you know well I just I just want it more for multitasking which I suppose is also like a Macintosh um
[speaker002:] um-hum well the one thing I used to use a I've never used an IBM actually I used to use a just an Apple two E which of course is looks pretty primitive now
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I used that's what I learned a lot of languages on was an Apple two E in my high school
[speaker002:] but I don't have any uh any real programming capabilities on my uh Mac right now I don't have uh any compilers
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] so I'm uh wanting
[speaker001:] well do you use your computer for uh just things around the house or in the in the
[speaker002:] I use it in my business
[speaker001:] I see what do you do
[speaker002:] I uh do uh consultation and and testing of various kinds for uh English as a second language programs
[speaker001:] oh wow um and uh are these like uh do these programs um are they are they based on on a on a um other language or are they based are are they based like a lot of the um I know a lot of the the English as a second language classes will have people from all sorts of you know parts of the world and the teacher just tries to tries to teach English you know through natural understanding
[speaker002:] that's uh exactly what yeah that's the kind of thing I'm working with exactly you seem to be uh better informed than the average person on that
[speaker001:] um-hum well it was just uh when I was high school I worked for the community school and they had a English second language class and it always seemed strange to me that you know all these all these people that you know spoke English not too well and spoke you know a variety of different languages were all being taught at the same time
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] imagine it's a lot harder on a computer because you have to you know you don't have as many cues you can't don't have hand gestures and things like that
[speaker002:] right well now we uh what I use a computer for is to write materials that are later printed though most of the stuff that I do is not uh interactive
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and then I use it for testing uh data analysis on testing so
[speaker001:] oh to see how well they retain the vocabulary and things like that
[speaker002:] well just actually just uh item analysis statistical analysis of the tests uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know when you when you write a test you have to look at some data from it and see how the different questions are performing
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and find out which ones are discriminating well and which ones aren't find out how reliable the test is you try correlate it with other tests and things of that sort so it's involves a lot of spread sheet use
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah I'd imagine so um so um what were you doing when you were using an Apple two E
[speaker002:] well I was doing some of the same stuff but doing it more slowly and with smaller files I can't believe you know I've got uh five uh megabytes on this one now and on my two E I had a hundred twenty eight K
[speaker001:] um-hum it it's amazing yes it it's amazing you know how how like in the general user community the expectations have just grown so much I remember my first computer was a TRS eighty with four K on it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and you know and then then I moved and then I started playing with Apples you know and and those had forty eight or you know if if they were really great they had sixty four K you know
[speaker002:] oh the old the old Apple uh the the the original Apple had what yeah forty eight I guess didn't it
[speaker001:] uh all I know I know that in my school they had a bunch that had sixteen K on them is all and there's I remember that there was one game that I played that required forty eight K and there was only one computer that had forty eight K on it at the time
[speaker002:] my goodness uh-huh
[speaker001:] and you know it's just so amazing that generally you know if you if you I'm not sure about about um Macintoshes but I know in IBM's you you you generally you know you buy a megabyte at a time
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know that's that's your low that's the low end um
[speaker002:] well the SE thirty goes up to eight
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but I haven't upgraded it quite that far yet I think probably when I get system seven I may have to do that and and get another possibly another hard disk I don't know they say that system seven uses a lot of memory
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah imagine just to support