[speaker001:] well Brad what do you hear in San Jose about Ross Perot do you hear as much do you think as we do here in Dallas
[speaker002:] um probably not in anywhere near as much there have been a couple of articles uh which I've basically glanced at um but that's about it I just find it interesting that somebody with that much money uh would be interested in the presidency in the first place I guess it's it's as much you know just the sense of power and the sense of being able to accomplish things uh as much as anything else I don't know it seems to me that if I had that kind of money I would feel like I were more influential as a private citizen than as the president
[speaker001:] well that could be uh Ross Ross Perot is not a politician I mean  this is kind of new to him
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I I don't know are you familiar with things that he's done in the past that have gotten quite a bit of attention like uh rescuing the EDS employees that were being held in jail in Tehran
[speaker002:] hum no no I hadn't I hadn't really paid that much attention
[speaker001:] yeah I mean this was this was a few years ago probably ten or so ten or twelve
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh he hired uh some retired Army guys to go in after him and and supposedly even I think went in by himself with went in to see them disguised you know as somebody else
[speaker002:] wow
[speaker001:] but uh he at least ended up over there in one of the neighboring companies probably countries probably Afghanistan or something to meet them when they came out of uh out of Iran and I think he was uh maybe a little getting a little bit involved in politics or something during the Vietnam war he uh tried to send supplies over to the prisoners
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I don't know I of course we hear a lot of him because he lives here in the Dallas area
[speaker002:] what kind of I mean this this obviously says something for his um you know something for one aspect of his character what kind of person is he in terms of
[speaker001:] I he was an outstanding salesman at IBM I've read until he quit there and started his own company which he later sold out to General Motors and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh it since then he's started a new company but I think he must be a very good salesman or at least he was at some time um my impression is that he's a pretty honest person
[speaker002:] be kind of a change
[speaker001:] oh I I've heard him on the radio and whatnot I mean he just seems very forthright he he he doesn't have to play games
[speaker002:] yeah he's already he's already won
[speaker001:] I mean that he that's right that's right I I'm just curious to see what's gonna happen to the political scene uh if he gets on the ballot in all the states and whatnot do you do you think he cans be a spoiler for Bush
[speaker002:] um-hum um I honestly don't think so uh not unless he really puts a lot of effort into it and I don't think he wants to I think it's uh I think being a seriously considered being seriously considered as a presidential candidate is something that um it it just takes a really huge investment in personal effort not just you know I mean I'm sure it takes a lot of money as well
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] but um just in terms of the number of personal appearances that you've got to make and all the the the hoops that you've got to jump through in order to get the media sound bites and get people paying attention to you I mean
[speaker001:] all the backslapping
[speaker002:] an occasional newspaper article will will show up for for any variety of things but being considered seriously I think is you know may take more than he's willing to put into it
[speaker001:] yeah uh yeah yeah could be could be I I also suspect that one aspect of his personality would be that he would be really really tenacious
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] or or maybe stubborn even I don't know so I don't know you know he he might decide to go whole hog and really go out and and turn into a politician and do all the back slapping and and uh handshaking and all that kiss a few babies I suppose
[speaker002:] yeah well I don't suppose he'd have to do a whole lot of fund raising or uh worry a whole lot about where the funding was coming from so he'd have that advantage
[speaker001:] yeah yeah yeah it's um certainly different I mean Bush is wealthy
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but nothing like that
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I I mean I don't know what they put Perot's wealth at I think it's probably a few billion or something I
[speaker002:] yeah I've I've I've heard it in the billions I didn't hear specifics I figured once it you know once it reaches that point it doesn't really matter how many numbers are in front of the B you know it
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] it's passed it's passed any kind of reasonable imagining in the first place so
[speaker001:] yeah well I the in a way I I'm interested in his candidacy I'd like to I'd like to kind of get