[speaker001:] okay well uh I guess since I called I'll start out with my feelings about it uh I think that it's absolutely essential that some some at least some employees of government agencies and companies be tested especially when it effects public safety I mean the military obviously uh people that run trains and airplanes and and the like
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh for others I don't know I don't feel as strong about it uh I don't really don't have any objection to it but I can't really say I'm for it either what's your feeling
[speaker002:] well uh it it it it becomes sort of a a topic where I sit there and and I have a knee jerk reaction and then I have a a reaction after I think about it a little longer uh for me I I guess I feel like uh we have we we that we when we give in on these things we tend to move towards a a uh society where uh everything is a is uh regulated uh I think you're right about uh certain jobs and uh certainly something like uh a bus train pilots uh it's obviously something that's a necessity it because it because the function of the job is is within all everyone pretty much everyone in the world uh would admit to the fact that that these drugs might impair their abilities
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and like so I guess in some ways I'm agreeing with you uh that those would be something that should continue to have uh drug testing of course it is certainly not acceptable for an Eastern pilot to uh have just had eight martinis before he went off to fly
[speaker001:] right or Northwest I think Northwest has had a lot of problems with that
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I uh I've been in uh two two situations where I've had to under go grug testing drug testing I was in the military for a number of years
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and then I worked for four years uh as a as a an electrical inspector uh in a nuclear plant that was under construction and in both cases uh you know we were subject to uh to random testing for drugs and I know a lot of people refused to a lot especially at the nuclear plant or would uh you know strongly object to it but uh you know I could see the need for it so I I went along with it I I think if I were a clerical worker for instance though uh and really couldn't have effected anybody else I'm not sure that I'd
[speaker002:] I think it might be inappropriate for us to say for me to say that in any in any industry uh something where where see you're talking about a plant where okay if you're a nuclear inspector
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] or where you're a uh person who works on safety features for nuclear inspection well that makes sense
[speaker001:] um-hum uh-huh
[speaker002:] but uh we're talking about you you know you're saying well uh and I think you uh that you just stated the same thing that if you were a clerical you you you know a clerical person there or you were a secretary there now where's the justification
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] what what what okay you know let's say that we can you you you you had had a uh uh you went to a party and uh not not that anyone ever does it but you were smoking pot uh now how is that going to make any difference
[speaker001:] um um-hum
[speaker002:] you know unless you very unless you uh uh PCP does exist apparently in the blood stream
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] for a long period of time but the ability for you to function seems to be
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] uh very it it's very questionable as to whether it has any real effect upon you
[speaker001:] right probably alcohol has more of an effect for for a shorter period of time
[speaker002:] right so but I I just went through one recently
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh the place I just transferred jobs not too long ago and so I went through the whole process and the
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] there's really no justification what so ever for why I had to do it I mean uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] it's a company that it's basically a oh management engineering company
[speaker001:] um-hum so they were doing it just to they wanted to make sure that their employees were productive probably that's why
[speaker002:] now what wait but then but then uh but then if the if you're saying that
[speaker001:] that's probably why they justified it
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] no I'm just trying to imagine why they would wanna test you
[speaker002:] they should also regulate right what they should also regulate how many hours of sleep I must have they should also regulate how much what kind of nutrition I have they should also regulate see it's a it's a it's a disturbing trend
[speaker001:] right right yeah I I think that people who do something that could hurt somebody else
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] uh should be subject to the testing I guess that's probably the the way I'd term it and I'm talking about bus drivers as you mentioned and pilots and what have you uh others that really can only hurt themselves shall we say uh
[speaker002:] um-hum