[speaker001:] So, how you like New Jersey?
[speaker002:] Uh, it's pretty good, you know. You get, uh, closer to the, uh, coast here, and you do get a good bit of, uh, smog and stuff, especially from all the, uh, fuel cracking towers and chemical plants.
[speaker001:] Right, I guess, uh, I don't know what part of New Jersey you're in, but I guess it's, uh, fairly industrial?
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's, when you get further east towards New York City it gets very industrial
[speaker001:] Right, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but I'm, I'm about, uh, thirty miles west of there so you have, uh, actually green trees and such that you
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] don't notice that, that other part of
[speaker001:] Yeah [faint].
[speaker002:] New Jersey exists.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Actually very,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Y-, you know, you go even a few wi-, miles out and you got, uh, farms and everything so you, relatively clear air.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] But, uh,
[speaker001:] Well, I don't know about you, but I've always considered automobiles to be, probably the, the prime contributor. I mean there's a lot of contributors, but it seems that automobiles would probably do more than their fair share of that.
[speaker002:] Oh, d-, definitely. It's
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] uh, you know, there are a large number of them on the road. They're all, you know, going, and a lot of them are in relatively poor repair.
[speaker001:] That's, yeah, that's, that's a big issue is, you know, a lot of states don't have a, uh, inspection law so you get, you get a lot of people out there without E T R, emission control systems on their cars and things like that.
[speaker002:] Oh, e-, even where you do have the inspections, you know, the inspection is once a year.
[speaker001:] Yeah, and it's like,
[speaker002:] You get the car that's in the accident and muffler falls off or something
[speaker001:] Sure.
[speaker002:] and guy keeps driving along for long period of time after that.
[speaker001:] Right. I guess, from what I hear, though, uh, next year Ford is coming out with their electric cars. They're actually coming out with the first prototypes in California.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that, and I think also some of the, uh, car companies are coming out with, uh, gas powered fleets
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] so you, natural gas powered rather than, uh, gasoline.
[speaker001:] Right. I hope, I, I'm hoping that comes along quick [LAUGHTER]. Uh, I was reading a, an article in TIME the other day about the ozone layer and how fast that's going and I guess it's, it's really disappearing a lot quicker than people realize and I know that's not due to, uh, it's not due to, to gasoline or to, you know, carbon monoxide so much as the C F C -s but,
[speaker002:] It, it is coming from cars, though.
[speaker001:] Uh, yeah, I think that's a, that's a contributor definitely.
[speaker002:] I mean, the, uh, car air conditioners is
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] one of the major leaking sources of, uh, the, uh, freon.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Which is one of the major flor-, chlorofar-, fluorocarbons.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I guess right now what they're, what they're primarily worried about is third world countries because I guess United States and, and Russia have kind of taken the lead in terms of eliminating C F C production, but
[speaker002:] Well, it, it,
[speaker001:] it, go ahead.
[speaker002:] No, it's, it's the type of thing there that, uh, you know, the Third World countries are less industrial and they want to become industrial
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] so they're on the different part of the cycle of the U S. The U S used, you know, all the air pollution stuff and air polluting technologies to get where it is today.
[speaker001:] Right. And that's one of the arguments that the Third World countries have been using is, that basically they don't want to have to pay for our mistakes [LAUGHTER] if, if that makes any sense. Uh, in terms of,
[speaker002:] Or, or they want the right to make the same mistakes themselves to bootstrap them up to the way, where we
[speaker001:] Exactly.
[speaker002:] got to.
[speaker001:] Exactly. Uh, those of kind of, yeah, those are joining arguments, but, uh, I don't know, that's, that's kind of an interesting situation there. Uh, what they don't realize, those third world countries, what they don't realize is how quickly the ozone is depleting. I guess the latest figures are up to fifty percent at the Poles and it's, it's increasing even as far near the Equator as like Florida and Cuba and those places.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So it's kind of an interesting situation. It's not [LAUGHTER], not a real good one actually.
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] But,
[speaker002:] Well, you also have the very close related thing of the, uh, rain forest destruction
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] which is the main source of what's clearing out the atmosphere and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, yeah.
[speaker002:] replacing some of the pollutants.
[speaker001:] Yeah, you don't get that, that source of cleansing anymore. Are, have you been in big cities a long time?
[speaker002:] Mostly, I've mostly been in the east coast, so that's going between Atlanta, Washing-, D C area,
[speaker001:] Okay, so you've got,
[speaker002:] A-,
[speaker001:] Yeah, those are actually areas that are hit pretty hard, I would think.
[speaker002:] Well, not, not as hard as some places out west because you don't get the, uh, major pollution sources as you do out in Denver with the
[speaker001:] Yeah, Denver's definitely
[speaker002:] inversion
[speaker001:] yeah, that's one of the worst.
[speaker002:] and Los Angeles and a-, rest of California which is just terrible it sounds.
[speaker001:] Sure. Yeah, Denver's that, that real good e-, that real good, uh, example of sitting in a valley, kind of like Mexico City does, I guess.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Mexico City is historically been one of the worst
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] in the, in the world for that. But I've been pretty lucky, I've lived in cities that really haven't had that much of a problem, although, uh, I'm really kind of based in Orlando, Florida and there, you can tell that it's getting worse. I mean, it, it definitely it's not at a level comparable to Los Angeles or Denver but you can,
[speaker002:] Yeah, there, it's almost all automobiles because there's not that much in the way of
[speaker001:] Exactly.
[speaker002:] heavy industry, you know, that would be causing it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. And there's not that much in terms of, of public transportation down there.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] There is, but it's kind of it's,