[speaker001:] What do you think about capital punishment?
[speaker002:] Well, I'm kind of in favor of it for certain crimes.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Which crimes do you feel that?
[speaker002:] Well, I think first degree murder, uh, probably warrants it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Because of, so many times it's so brutal and just recurrent
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] selling, I think should also.
[speaker002:] Exactly. Recurrent crimes like serial rapists or serial murderers or
[speaker001:] Yeah [NOISE].
[speaker002:] whatever. I come from a state that has, well I originally come from the state that has, uh, [sniffing] the death penalty. I come from Florida.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, uh, they're pretty liberal on it. They tend to, like, fry people left and right.
[speaker001:] Yeah that's,
[speaker002:] which, go ahead.
[speaker001:] Go ahead. Texas is too. Texas, I saw on T V the other night, is the, has had forty-six in like the past several years.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So they're pretty hip on it too, I guess. They do it by lethal injection, at Huntsville.
[speaker002:] Yeah, okay. I think Florida still uses electric chair.
[speaker001:] Yeah [NOISE].
[speaker002:] Uh, I don't, I don't know. In some ways I don't like it because it's like they're playing God.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And that's not, I don't think that's right. But on the other hand, there's a lot of advantages to it.
[speaker001:] [Noise] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I think crime rates deterred a little bit by using it and, of course, you have some savings in terms of taxpayer money keeping people in jail or not. Um,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] with Florida that's a big problem because there's so many people in jail that they have to let them out every year. They,
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's what's happening here. There is, like, uh, that's, in fact, a big gubernatorial issue is the
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] the turnover rates of, uh, r-, uh, repeat offenders being let out and doing it again.
[speaker002:] Sure. And it's like, you know, that's a big problem but there's not a whole lot you can do about it because there's only so many jails you can build
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and it's really, you know, it's, it gets to be a r-, a big problem.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh, go ahead.
[speaker001:] I wish if they were going to do it, they would be a little more consistent in dealing with who gets lethal injection and who doesn't.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Be a little more, you know, not being able to put it off for fifteen years.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Yeah. Because a lot of these guys, you know, they get in and they, they get off for good behavior and, I don't know, up in Minnesota where I am now, they don't have the death penalty. And you can almost sense that people are just laughing at the system, you know. Because they figure well, you know, sure I, I get thirty or forty years for maybe rape or something. Uh, but then for, if I, if I elicit good behavior I'm out in maybe five or ten.
[speaker001:] Oh, really?
[speaker002:] Oh, sure, you know.
[speaker001:] Goodness.
[speaker002:] I mean just because, like we said before, they don't have enough room in the jails
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] uh, you know, there's a lot of incentive for them to be let out early.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But if you've got the death penalty hanging over your head, uh, I don't know, I think that may solve a lot of that.
[speaker001:] Yeah [very faint].
[speaker002:] Maybe not solve it, but, I don't know, maybe,
[speaker001:] I, yeah I tend to think the repeal system for the death penalty is a little, little too lenient.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh, kind of takes away from the significance of the death penalty.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. What do you do Georgeanne?
[speaker001:] I'm a graduate student at the University of Texas in Dallas.
[speaker002:] Oh, okay. Great. What program you in?
[speaker001:] Uh, audiology.
[speaker002:] Okay. Fantastic. Uh
[speaker001:] Yeah. What do you do?
[speaker002:] I'm a doctoral student at the University of Central Florida.
[speaker001:] Oh, really.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I'm doing an internship up at Honeywell.
[speaker001:] Oh really?
[speaker002:] Uh, yeah.
[speaker001:] Neat.
[speaker002:] But, uh, I don't know. It's, it's an interesting issue. There's, like you say, in Texas there's been quite a few and, and in Florida in the last few years, I think there's been a lot. I can't, I, you know, I can't give you figures but, uh,
[speaker001:] Yeah. I just, this was in conjunction with the guy that was put in the gas chamber [throat clearing] in California.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, I think it, the forty-sixth in the last twenty-five years I think is what
[speaker002:] Oh, is that right?
[speaker001:] they gave a run down that Texas
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Texas tends to be a little more robust and disciplined area then.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I, I kind of, yeah, I've heard things about that. I've heard that they don't mess around very much.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [very faint]. *slash error
[speaker001:] Uh, they, they don't get repealed as easily as they do.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. *slash error
[speaker001:] Like the guy in California got thir-, you know, twice before he went to the gas chamber and then they said okay, no, you don't have to go. And then they took him back. I mean, it just seems,
[speaker002:] Jeez, that's a lot of repeals.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it just seemed a little inconsistent. And then you have like two, you have these people who are serial killers that didn't even get the death sentence back when
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] ever you know.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I don't know. I, I'm trying to think about other crimes that would warrant it. Uh, I guess, what is it, what's the policy now with treason? Do they, uh, do they axe you for treason or is it a life sentence?
[speaker001:] No, I don't, I don't think, uh, the military doesn't execute anymore so.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Or death before the firing squad or whatever.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So, I think about the only one is, uh, rape,