[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] I haven't, uh, talked to anybody outside the Metroplex, so I didn't even think of saying Arlington, Texas.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] This is a real first [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] Are you at work?
[speaker001:] Yes, I am.
[speaker002:] I, I, I've been trying to get people at five thirty and six thirty in the evening and I thought, well, I'm not having any luck, I'll try the middle of the afternoon.
[speaker001:] Well, I'm, I'm happy we got through.
[speaker002:] I am, too. Well, do you have any, uh, opinion on the subject?
[speaker001:] Well, I'm, I'm especially interested with what, what's happening in the Soviet Union, uh, the, the move to, uh
[speaker002:] Democracy.
[speaker001:] the, the, the, Ukraine's vote to, uh, basically to secede and set itself up independently
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] uh, is quite a remarkable, counts, is that, is that reported in the Texas papers?
[speaker002:] Oh, sure, we, uh, we hear a little of the news [LAUGHTER]. Uh, yeah, I have heard about that the last couple of days. How, how big is the Ukraine, the area, do you know?
[speaker001:] Uh, as an area, it's not,
[speaker002:] Or a population or anything, I'm really uninformed.
[speaker001:] I, I'm afraid I don't have the statistics in front of me.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] It's a, [lipsmack], it's not a tiny area. Uh, if I was looking at a U S map, I would say it was sort of reminds me of, of a, uh, it's not as big as California proportionately.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But, but, but it's, it's more significant, in the sense of, it's a great agricultural region.
[speaker002:] Oh, I see, oh, I, I didn't really know that, I know a lot of their, oh, their countries that they had overtaken, or wanted to be independent or several of them, right,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, uh, what about Astonia, are they,
[speaker001:] They're completely out now.
[speaker002:] Right, I thought they were.
[speaker001:] Yes, the three, the three Baltic, uh, republics got out as quickly as they could.
[speaker002:] But, but, the, the Ukraine is especially significant because it, of the agriculture?
[speaker001:] Right, it's, it's very important for the economics of the whole, of the Soviet Union.
[speaker002:] Uh, so there were probably really fight to keep it in if they could.
[speaker001:] Right, uh, except they can't fight [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] No, they don't,
[speaker001:] It's done democratically, uh,
[speaker002:] And Bush has already given his [LAUGHTER] opinion on it, right?
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] Didn't I read that?
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] So, now, uh, not that they may, that may matter, I don't know, anymore. I, uh, fear for the Russians from what I read, you know, I wonder how they're going to get through the winter.
[speaker001:] Uh,
[speaker002:] Food wise or any wise, sounds to me like they'll start rioting soon, or not that that would do any good, but I guess people do that when they're desperate.
[speaker001:] That, that's true, uh, hasn't happened here for a while, but it, uh,
[speaker002:] Well, that's true, since the Depression, I guess when the veterans went to Washington
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and well, you know, the war riots, of course. Let's just hope we don't get to that point [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Things are not so good in Texas job wise.
[speaker001:] No, I've, I've heard they're, I hear you have some problems.
[speaker002:] Well, we do. We have lots and lots of, uh, layoffs here. Lot of companies folding, lot of layoffs and it's pretty scary.
[speaker001:] Do, do you, do you blame the, the government in Washington for this?
[speaker002:] Well, I don't understand economics that well. I don't know, I, I know that we have a terrible situation with foreign trade and that other countries put a lot of restrictions that we don't
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and so I assume that that has some effect.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Or a great effect.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And I do, uh, I mean, they said during the way, Reagan-Bush years, the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, the statistics prove that [LAUGHTER] so, uh, I, I guess,
[speaker001:] So then, you think it's, it's, you think it's Reagan and Bush have done this or is it just coincidence it was during this period?
[speaker002:] Well, I really don't know. I think maybe they, uh, maybe they contributed to it. Maybe they should pay more attention to these trade, or, you know, to the more equalization of the trade.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Of course, if somebody in, in China can make something for ten cents and we have to make it for ten dollars because we have unions, well, I don't know what's going to happen then.
[speaker001:] Oh, the Chinese use slave labor, too.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] That's, that's one of the ways they get away with it.
[speaker002:] And child labor.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Right. Well, I don't know. What do you think has caused our horrible situation?
[speaker001:] Uh, I don't think there's any one
[speaker002:] One thing.
[speaker001:] simple answer to the whole thing. I mean it's, that's very complicated.
[speaker002:] Right, well, they say, too, that having a democratic congress and republican President is not good. I mean, I've read that is a theory.
[speaker001:] So which one are we going to throw out?
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Well, I hate to say it, but, I, I'm tending to go straight back into my original democratic party.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Uh,
[speaker001:] Texas, Texas used to be a democratic state, didn't it?
[speaker002:] Oh, I know, it used to, right. Well, you don't want too many democrats anymore and for a while I kind of deserted the party, but now it's looking better to me.
[speaker001:] I like your governor.
[speaker002:] Oh, do you? Oh, I'm glad to hear that.
[speaker001:] She's an impressive woman.
[speaker002:] Well, I think so, too. I, I just, admire her a lot.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And, uh, I ho-, I really hope she does well. But she's, uh, n-, you know, probably more popular out of the state than she is here, although she did manage to win.
[speaker001:] Right [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] But look who she was running against, you know [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] Well, yeah, anybody could beat Claytie in Texas.
[speaker002:] He shot himself in the foot so many times [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] How did you get on this T I thing?
[speaker001:] Oh, I, I know some of the people.