[speaker001:] I don't know if you feel the same but uh when it comes to telling kids that they have to do uh two or three years of service into some kind of community I don't know if that's uh appropriate for a government to suggest that and say you know you have to do two years of community service before you can be a citizen or you know in the aspect that we're telling kids that this is what is suggested for you to do
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and um I as far as a high school course I could see it as uh maybe a social uh sociology course to where a student would get credits if they were to be involved with some kind of community type of program
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and to me that's fine to have a student do that for like four or even a year but to tell them that they had to do two years there after post high school of community service I'm
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I'm not quite sure if that's appropriate for anybody to be telling somebody they have to do
[speaker002:] hum well that's a good idea to have it as a study program for school where it'd be more on a voluntary basis as opposed to uh mandatory
[speaker001:] um-hum exactly
[speaker002:] yeah and yeah I kind of agree with that um I don't think you know it it they shouldn't have they should have the same rights as anyone else
[speaker001:] right right
[speaker002:] you know it shouldn't be uh anything shouldn't be mandatory other than I guess like uh when you come to paying taxes or something like that uh or if it's beneficial in some kind of way then maybe uh people be more eagle to do it uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] um-hum exactly and doing it for a purpose that they want the other thing is this I have thought about this and many times when you get these uh young troubled teenagers that uh don't have like the perspective of uh of of the community a sense of community or perhaps the sense that they may have problems but there are other people out in the community that may have problems then I can see it as like maybe a probationary type of thing you have to do so much as far as in a community service now if they were you know the abusive type of situation perhaps then they would have to work with the victims of abuse
[speaker002:] right um-hum
[speaker001:] or if uh they destroyed some property around the uh area then they would have to do uh to restore it and perhaps um work um for the community to beautify it or whatever but
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I could see that working in you know cases where the it might be young teenagers getting in trouble with law and teaching him that there is a whole community that is is effected when they strike out and do their crimes or whatever and that's I think they have done that and judges have said well you know this is what you're gonna get for um you know a misdemeanor misdemeanor or something you may end up having to do some kind of community service so I could see that as something that might occur in the court system for those that are troubled
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] uh that's a good idea uh I think they should have more programs like that
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and I think uh us being taxpayers we pay for people that's in jail or in trouble anyway
[speaker001:] um-hum sure we sure do
[speaker002:] so they should be programs set up by the government that could utilize those forms in different areas
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and I I agree wholeheartedly
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] yeah but uh the thing is that it's not enough of that kind of stuff going on uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] because you like you say it's a lot of crimes and stuff or misdemeanors why why have someone in your jail for a year or two for a misdemeanor
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and sometimes you know putting them in jail it doesn't really help
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] because there's nothing in there that to rebil rebilitate rehabilitate rebilihatate them and then when they get out they because they have the stigmatism of being in jail they can't
[speaker001:] exactly yeah um-hum and there's a lot of anger sure you know especially if they haven't went through treatment and they dealt with other people in the uh system of prisons which um you you always deal with somebody that's a little bit worse than yourself next to you or whatever I would say the crimes would probably be you know if you went in for a certain crime there might somebody that has has done a crime even worse than what you have so you're dealing with people um that may uh be an influence later on and uh an issue of anger would be is that I went to prison for a year or two but I didn't get any rehabilitation or um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] you know but then again those that have physically assaulted somebody um that's extremely tough to put them into some kind of program out in the community if they're of a violent sort and to say well you have to
[speaker002:] um-hum right