[speaker001:] so PC's personal computers do you have a personal computer
[speaker002:] no I don't not at home I work with them quite a bit though
[speaker001:] um-hum hm I I work with them at Kelly Services doing uh data entry
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] um-hum what do you what do you think about them
[speaker002:] the well I think they're useful I think they're in some in some instances they're they're over used well that's not the right way to say it um
[speaker001:] you mean instead of people or
[speaker002:] well I think that uh some some work places where I've been they they set up like everybody has their own PC
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] which a lot of times everybody doesn't need a PC and it really without them knowing how to use it properly it slows them down more than it helps them accomplish something
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] they spend more time messing with the PC than they would actually accomplishing the task that they're trying to do if they didn't have a PC at all
[speaker001:] um-hum and you really have to be able to type pretty fast before you know before it it really saves time
[speaker002:] uh-huh that's true
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and you have to you know be familiar with the like there're so many different software packages it you have to be familiar with the one that you're going to be using most
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] a lot of times uh people know about half of the capabilities of a package that they should know to actually be able to use it properly and so they waste more time with their trying to uh to figure out how to do you know other things than they would if they if they actually understood what they were trying to do you know like uh they want to to format a report a certain way
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and if they really understood the capabilities of the package they could they could do that in uh about you know half the time that they spend trying to figure out how to do it without spending the time to learn the package properly
[speaker001:] to set up the boundaries correctly and
[speaker002:] right exactly
[speaker001:] how many lines you're going to use in it and
[speaker002:] uh-huh a lot of times they they they do it manually on the computer which just really is a waste of time and then if they ever have to change anything in that in that in the document they have to go back and redo it all manually whereas if they had learned the package properly to start with and had set it up correctly the package would do that for them
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] whenever they wanted to make a change so I I've seen that as a problem
[speaker001:] can't can't you put can't you put it on a disk and then just edit it if if you need to when you go back
[speaker002:] right but in some in some cases the with the formatting what I'm talking about is that they would set up they set up a certain um document and it may be eight pages long
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and they set it up manually so that they have all their spacings and formattings and tabs set manually
[speaker001:] um-hum and and and um
[speaker002:] and um then when they have to make a change say they want to insert a paragraph they've got to go through the document and reset all the page breaks manually
[speaker001:] rewrite the whole thing
[speaker002:] and rewrite the whole thing instead of having the if if they had set up the formatting on the system itself it would do that for them and save them a lot of time but a lot of people don't spend the time to learn the package
[speaker001:] how does the word wrap work on that do you end up with very different length lines
[speaker002:] oh no no you can left and right justify the whole thing it comes out just perfectly spaced like a block
[speaker001:] hm
[speaker002:] it'll it'll automatically it's like typesetting it'll automatically do that for you
[speaker001:] and it divides the words by itself
[speaker002:] usually it doesn't divide words they usually have it it have it space the words in a line rather than divide a word
[speaker001:] oh okay um-hum
[speaker002:] that you see like in a newspaper
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] they typeset they don't usually break words in a newspaper if the if one line is going to be a lot shorter than another line they just they just add spaces to that line to make it look long as the rest of the lines
[speaker001:] right um-hum they space it out in in the line itself oh
[speaker002:] right and most computers do that most packages most software packages will do that for you
[speaker001:] they um um-hum
[speaker002:] and I've known people that have used a package for for five years you know and I would say well have you you know you know more about this package than I do how do you left justify and they would say I don't know
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and it would take me maybe two or three minutes looking in the manual to figure out what command it was to caused this to happen and they would say how did you do that and I'm like well it's really easy and they were like well I never knew that and that obviously they'd never considered looking it up you know
[speaker001:] um-hum do you think it's a lack of training um or it's just that they don't use the materials that are available to them
[speaker002:] sometimes it's sometimes well it's it's a number of different things sometimes they don't uh they don't think that they can get any information out of the manual some manuals aren't really designed very well
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] but some of them are and more and more of them are coming out written in a way that it that just a a basic general user can understand them so I think um people think it's going to take them a lot longer to learn it properly than it really would and so they're really wasting time rather than saving themselves time because they think well it's quicker just to do it myself when it's really not
[speaker001:] right um-hum it's better to learn it directly from the manual
[speaker002:] well I think so
[speaker001:] especially when you have to trouble shoot some things
[speaker002:] um-hum exactly
[speaker001:] because a lot of the times the computer the program still has uh bugs in it and you have to work around it
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] hm have you worked mostly on IBM um
[speaker002:] uh the the with PC's they're either IBM or IBM compatible mostly
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah that's uh
[speaker002:] that is you know the industry standard
[speaker001:] that's all I've seen in offices is IBM um-hum
[speaker002:] uh-huh there's a lot of of really good IBM compatibles too they don't have to necessarily be the IBM brand but they have to adhere to that industry standard
[speaker001:] right well do you think it's been five minutes yet or
[speaker002:] oh probably
[speaker001:] oh okay well well it was nice talking to you thank you bye-bye
[speaker002:] okay bye-bye