[speaker002:] what kind of crimes you have in Hattiesburg
[speaker001:] uh actually about anything you can imagine uh from you you know this petty theft kind of crud going around vandalism up to uh certain amount of organized crime where uh gangs are starting to you know show up and actually you know qualify as gangs
[speaker002:] oh boy that's and Hattiesburg's not that big is it fifty thousand or so yeah
[speaker001:] uh about fifty yeah right around fifty thousand we I think we this census we just missed fifty thousand by a couple of people or something like that
[speaker002:] well
[speaker001:] but uh yeah it's it's right at fifty thousand
[speaker002:] yeah we're real disgusted around here in Austin we live in the city and on December the sixth uh four teenage girls were murdered and mutilated two blocks from our house at a yogurt shop
[speaker001:] um-hum murdered and mutilated
[speaker002:] mutilated uh they cut them up and they put ice cream inside their bodies and then they burnt the place down or tried to burn the place down as they left
[speaker001:] uh what these are girls who worked at this ice cream parlor or
[speaker002:] uh two of them worked there and two of them came to pick them up when they got off their at at eleven o'clock that night and
[speaker001:] all right so this so this is a place the the place had shut down already
[speaker002:] right or just shutting down just closing and I don't think the police have a clue uh they've had the FBI here and have some sort of analysis of who might have done it what type of person might have done it but
[speaker001:] um yeah character profile psychiatric profile
[speaker002:] yeah but it's just they're still begging for help and and and I just feel like some of they're helpless at uh trying to solve this one
[speaker001:] yeah yeah ah shoot the the big problem is there's no real punishment for crime anymore I mean the bigger the crime the less likely you are to get punished for it
[speaker002:] yeah that's true my wife and I read a lot of uh true crime books and you know court cases things like that
[speaker001:] I mean get adequately punished anyway yeah yeah
[speaker002:] and it boy it just upsets us when people get off with little or nothing they're they're on they're out on probation probation in fifteen years after murdering half a dozen people and
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] it's just not fair
[speaker001:] well they slaughter innocent innocent lots of innocent lives and they get you know a few years and a slap on the wrist and someone else turns around and you know embezzles a couple of thousand dollars from the local bank and they you know they practically get fried
[speaker002:] yes  yeah I think about a year ago here in Austin they were we were uh the gang problem was getting real bad and they hired a hundred new policemen and a lot of them were dedicated just to the crime unit or to the gang unit
[speaker001:] yes um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] and just recently they announced that they've pretty much got it under control there was only one gang related murder this past year
[speaker001:] yeah that's good if nothing else they've got the gangs pushed down to where they're you know not going to be very active at least as far as you know murders or open crimes are concerned
[speaker002:] yeah I think one of the things that they need to do more of which I seen a little bit here in Austin though is getting actual people in neighborhoods involved
[speaker001:] yeah the neighborhood watch type programs yeah that's one that's the one thing that starting you know the only two things that are really making a difference
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] are when the local people get involved and when they start doing something positive with families families have gone in the toilet in the last twenty thirty years
[speaker002:] yeah uh
[speaker001:] and it's as though they're really trying to push to make sure they go down the toilet lot of people lot of institutions they seem to be fighting against family
[speaker002:] seems to be that way I seems like everybody that we've heard of or know that go for any kind of psychiatric psychiatric help uh every problem you've got is blamed on your parents
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and that to me that's just defeating the family right there
[speaker001:] yeah well to a certain extent it can be traced back there and and and that's okay to say so as long as you understand that you got to forgive
[speaker002:] I mean if you can yeah
[speaker001:] it's not like they doing it on purpose usually very seldom are they doing it on purpose
[speaker002:] you know you know out of my own family I I guess maybe I didn't have everything I wanted when I was growing up but I've as I've gotten older I've learned to accept the fact that I got what I needed I was clothed and sheltered and educated and
[speaker001:] yeah I had some modicum at least of acceptance and support
[speaker002:] I haven't blamed any of my future problems on on on the family upbringing or whatever
[speaker001:] yeah well that's the way it was with us we had I had a pretty good family life by comparison I had an excellent family life by comparison to a lot of people out there it may not have been perfect but they did what they knew how to do and they did it the best they knew how so
[speaker002:] yeah it's just I like I can't ever imagine my son committing a crime and I think he knows that you know that that's just something that not in in his world but there's so many people out there that do commit violent crimes and and small crimes and think nothing of it it's
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I mean considering the conscious it seems to go it it it almost invariably does start with the destruction of the family I mean almost invariably children aren't taught respect they're not taught discipline they're not taught the need to