[speaker001:] so how do you feel about the Vietnam War
[speaker002:] well um you know I guess that it's pretty deep feelings uh I just uh went back and rented uh the movie what is it Good Morning Vietnam
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh got that uh uh some insight there to to kind of help me put together the feelings I really appreciated the the little uh
[speaker001:] yeah I saw that as well
[speaker002:] English class where the uh the uh fellow just wouldn't do anything you know the guy's gouging gouging your eyes out what are you going to do you know wait for him to finish me off
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh it it was uh good to remember the uh that that kind of Asian philosophy
[speaker001:] um-hum well uh were you over in Vietnam or
[speaker002:] that uh no no I was kind of an in between uh finally drew a high draft number and you
[speaker001:] I'm I was much too young I was born in sixty seven so
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] um in a way both my well uh both my brothers were um draft age but neither of them wound up going over which I think they were very happy for
[speaker002:] well I personally uh you know uh I just went in limbo I had a passport and was ready to go
[speaker001:] uh um-hum
[speaker002:] or um out of the country or or join special forces either one
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] I mean I I just didn't know so uh
[speaker001:] well um so well do you do you feel that it was worth what we did over there or
[speaker002:] um yeah just a second
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] you restrict access cause a lot of times people are trying to cut them out okay sure now well Mark um what was that again
[speaker001:] um do you think I mean do you think our investment the investment in lives and money was worth it
[speaker002:] no not not really
[speaker001:] I totally agree with that
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] um well what what effects do you think it's had in our country
[speaker002:] downside um uh well Robert Blythe says we should uh uh yeah go into the grief that that's there and we're our presidents have always avoided that as a country so it's pretty serious really uh
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] a lot of things that aren't being addressed
[speaker001:] um-hum well I think I think that you know that's pretty typical of the of the entire entire involvement over in that you know that nothing was really addressed it wasn't it wasn't you know it was never we we announced that we were going to war it was it was such a gradual and subtle you know the um you know increasement of of force that
[speaker002:] yeah Gulf of Tonkin uh resolution and was it a dolphin or a torpedo things you remember that
[speaker001:] um-hum I vaguely vaguely remember we um we had a we had a um spy ship torpedoed or something or something like that
[speaker002:] yeah yeah only only it was foggy and President uh President finally President Johnson said well they they weren't really sure whether it was a dolphin or a torpedo
[speaker001:] oh well
[speaker002:] isn't that something
[speaker001:] um-hum um so um do you do you do you think that like our um for example like in in this this past war the Persian Gulf war
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] that uh that you see it seemed to me that that Bush was going going to extraordinary lengths to um you know prepare the country for war yeah
[speaker002:] okay hey Mark uh I've got to go um we'll um see you I guess our five minutes are up according to me are they to you
[speaker001:] okay uh I wasn't really keeping count count but I guess that's good-bye
[speaker002:] yeah okay bye-bye
[speaker001:] bye