[speaker001:] why don't you start
[speaker002:] oh I don't know I um I refinished a couple of old uh dressers that were given handed down you know it's nice tongue and groove um uh construction uh huh that's just I've been pretty successful with that
[speaker001:] things you already owned or things that you've picked up just to do that
[speaker002:] what
[speaker001:] are they things you already owned or you pick them up just to do that refinishing
[speaker002:] no I've done some other things too um you know
[speaker001:] I've yeah I've done both uh I have had my wife's picked up a couple things saying uh boy if we could refinish that that'd be a beautiful piece of furniture and uh and we've done it a couple of times
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I guess that we've been fairly successful with those that's uh that's a kind of low risk sort of project isn't it I guess
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah that's a good way to get started
[speaker001:] um I have a a um really nice desk a nicer desk than I could afford which I got because my sister who worked in a hospital uh liberated it after a fire and uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] we stripped it all the way down and refinished it it turned out to be really nice uh pretty nice desk maple top I think or
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] um-hum or something of that sort
[speaker002:] yeah I I put together um a um rolltop desk from scratch you know a kit
[speaker001:] oh really oh I'm jealous
[speaker002:] still had to cut it and everything but yeah it's fun
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah I've I do do things uh that might be too crude to be called woodworking I've built my own deck and
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] um things like that
[speaker002:] yeah I've I've done the same you know like the trim around the house you know the baseboards and things like that
[speaker001:] and I I definitely have begun to accumulate tools too my I uh I picked up a bunch of Craftsman tools from the forties that my wife's father owned when he was alive and so I do have a band saw and a router and um things like that out in the garage but I can't say I use them very often
[speaker002:] uh-huh um I I'm looking at trying to get a router right now
[speaker001:] they're handy uh they they come in handy at the most unusual times putting doors in is the time when I'm uh I bought myself a um template for making mortices and doors and that's a whole lot easier than doing it with a chisel but I've also I've also used them for building drawers where you uh for rabbeting and uh
[speaker002:] I'll bet
[speaker001:] because uh rabbeting on my table on my uh radial arm saw is a little bit uncertain
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so I got one for Christmas a few years ago and used it quite a bit for the first eight months I had it and now I I use it twice a year maybe
[speaker002:] yeah my brothers my brothers used it a lot for making drawers
[speaker001:] the big stuff
[speaker002:] I don't know what what's your opinion of what a good router is like
[speaker001:] uh I guess it
[speaker002:] you know I had because he was tell me like the ones that you dial in aren't all that great they've plastic parts and stuff
[speaker001:] the ones that what
[speaker002:] that you dial in on the side
[speaker001:] uh I have never even seen I've never even looked at one closely and the the little use that I've gotten from my router I would say
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh I would spend my money on the bits
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] um I have a I'd guess you'd call a medium quality Craftsman router and the um
[speaker002:] how strong is it
[speaker001:] it's strong enough for any job where you don't try to take more than say three eighths of an inch at a time but the problem is that the uh as with any any time you buy um a a tool with as as as a as a package the bits that they give you are low end
[speaker002:] don't they um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] so the price of a good set of uh carbide steel uh bits is probably um I mean a a good set of bits is probably gonna run you a hundred dollars and uh um if you're gonna use it for a lifetime I suppose it's worth it because um imagine if I go and sharpen them myself uh it won't last and I've never had the bits sharpened
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] so that's a thing to consider is to
[speaker002:] they they really get hot don't they
[speaker001:] yeah and they they dull after a while especially I did some cabinets in um ash and oak and uh that that wears a bit down
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] we remodeled and saved a bunch of really nice ash cabinets uh which had been in the original remodeling of our kitchen
[speaker002:] uh-huh right
[speaker001:] and I saved them and built an oven cabinet out of one and another cabinet out of another by using the faces and so forth and uh routing hardwood will um take the edge off a cheap bit pretty fast so
[speaker002:] yeah I've cut some one by eight oak before  boy was that fun big solid pieces of oak are just tough
[speaker001:] right that's uh and then you take the blade to the to get sharpened right
[speaker002:] well that was you know with a with a circular saw like oh my gosh this gonna be fun
[speaker001:] uh-huh right yeah well I've used mine on treated wood and now all my blades need sharpening
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] because uh the treated wood will also chew them up
[speaker002:] yeah treated wood can really make you sick too if you're not