[speaker001:] so uh what things do you consider an invasion of privacy
[speaker002:] well I don't know what do you think
[speaker001:] oh I don't I don't know I had a little bit more time to think about it I was thinking of like uh  I don't know I started I started to think about all the big you know data bases they have with all the information about you on them like the credit reports and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and all those you know demographics studies that they do that um you know have who knows how much you know stuff about all the purchases that you've made and everything kept tract somewhere and  I don't know I don't know how much the stuff actually what they actually have in there but
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I know they use that I mean they they sell those to
[speaker002:] well what about the required drug testing uh as a uh condition of employment
[speaker001:] yeah that was that was that was the other one I was thinking of  I think that's uh I mean I know drugs are illegal
[speaker002:] it a subtle thing actually um  I uh have worked at Texas Instruments
[speaker001:] uh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh they instituted a drug policy there drug testing policy where they randomly would test uh employees
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and actually to tell you the truth I really didn't think much about it I I hadn't you know it really didn't relate to me but there were some things that people brought up like well what happens if they they get a false positive you know what recourse do you have
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and  also um uh this is against the law for the government to do this kind of thing this kind of big brother activity and yet uh a lot of these large corporations such as Texas Instruments although they don't admit to it it's actually oh a drug testing policy comes about as a result of government pressure
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] so  what that means is to me that really it's the government that's requiring this although they don't actually execute execute it themselves it's really the government's that so in that sense at at least uh philosophically it's really borderline legal
[speaker001:] um-hum well I I think that um I think that you know a person's competence should be more determined by you know their actions and their behavior and if they're you know if they're on some kind of you know controlled controlled substance then you know it kinds of takes away from the job of you know the supervisor or manager type person know who is able to evaluate them I think they should be evaluated that way rather than with a you know a chemical you know
[speaker002:] well what about this uh AIDS epidemic now where you find that uh  uh you know certain people are actually are are criminal in their disregard for
[speaker001:] the people that are carriers and don't uh don't reveal it
[speaker002:] others yeah and and uh of course the ultimate solution is to operate on their brain so that it doesn't get uh it destroys their libido
[speaker001:] yeah that's that would be kind of an extreme
[speaker002:] now uh you know if they ever
[speaker001:] I mean I've heard of things like you know making them you know uh marking them somehow or you know or something like that or you know putting them all some some place like in a kind of a
[speaker002:] so what about that as an invasion of privacy
[speaker001:] yeah well I guess it kind of borders on where
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I mean what do you value more the invasion of uh the person's privacy or the possible danger to you know other people
[speaker002:] so really it it gets to balancing uh personal freedom against uh the general welfare
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] of society
[speaker001:] I guess that's always that's been the big role of government I guess
[speaker002:] well are it's supposed to have been
[speaker001:] I mean generally yeah yeah well yeah that's kind of a difficult one to go into I mean that that particular case
[speaker002:] now it
[speaker001:] because I mean there's a lot of people that uh I mean they could require one you know obligatory obligatory AIDS testing for everyone because I'm sure you know there's a huge part of the population not a huge part but a you know the the AIDS population I guess that have it that don't know they do
[speaker002:] a growing part um-hum
[speaker001:] and are spreading it but again to require you know such a test and just and then to make make it known they have it is to subject them to to discriminatory discriminatory practices and other things I don't know uh I don't know how exactly I feel about that
[speaker002:] maybe chop their weenies off