[speaker002:] well uh I myself am not in favor of drug testing in the work place except in in specific uh very specific in this uh very specific examples such as uh transportation workers as in uh air traffic controllers bus drivers and that kind of thing
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] um I don't really think that it's uh too many I think it's a severe invasion of somebody's privacy to say well we're going to look at your urine and then decide whether you're uh you know worthy of working for us I really don't see that that's a very very valid uh thing for a company to say and I personally I don't think I would work for somebody if they were going to reject me on the basis of what's inside my body
[speaker001:] yeah uh I guess I basically agree that uh do you think it's okay for a company to reject somebody just knowing that they have take drugs I mean suppose they found out some other way
[speaker002:] well I think I think what you I think the problem here is is that a a drug test does not necessarily imply that someone is taking drugs or not taking drugs
[speaker001:] yeah so
[speaker002:] there's too many cases where it can you know there can be false positive results and that that sort of thing I don't think there's any definitive you know okay this person is taking drugs so we don't want him here
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh like I said some industries though I think it'd be very necessary I wouldn't want any air traffic controllers high or anything like that when I'm flying in an airplane
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but uh I mean I just I find it to be pretty offensive that that it's such a a big deal I mean if your employer's not going to trust you or you know it I just I think it's a whole trust issue I just can't see it
[speaker001:] have you ever been in a situation where you you were drug tested or
[speaker002:] uh yeah I have been
[speaker001:] yeah I have once too so
[speaker002:] I I mean I was very offended by by the whole process I mean it's uh very humiliating and I mean I'm not speaking in favor of drugs or against drugs but I uh I am totally against that sort of a uh
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I mean it's it's a pretty personal thing when somebody says I want to look at your urine before I'm going to talk to you
[speaker001:] yeah I had it during a job interview and I just thought it was dumb of the company at a point where they were trying to convince me to to want to work for them
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] to do this and I'm just like well uh I'm not even going to think much about it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] if you're gonna treat me with this much respect even before
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] you've gotten to know me
[speaker002:] right that that's basically my opinion on it right there is that it's just you know I did I it was in the same sort of situation as it was a job interview and then you had a physical where you were drug tested and it's I just I mean I know people who have been drug tested and who have not you know been hired by a corporation which uh you know I really The other side of it is is besides its being an invasion of personal privacy as in my it's my bodily fluid and I don't really want you to look at it or or something pretty basic like that just to the fact that
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I don't know that it is a company's business to regulate what it's employees are doing when they're not at work I mean the during the eight hours during the day when they're supposed to be there I think they have every right to say this is these behaviors are acceptable and these are not but when it enters into what they're doing when they're not at work I find that to be fairly offensive also
[speaker001:] yeah well like you say I mean if it's not a critical kind of job where someone could get hurt then really what people ought to be doing I mean the the employer ought to be judging you on how well you do your work rather than on these other factors
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] and I mean if you are doing drugs and it's causing a problem then they'll notice it for other reasons
[speaker002:] that's exactly right
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and also I just think it it gets a lot I'm a big uh supporter of personal freedoms and personal privacies and I think that it just moves down along a line that that I really would find bad if if most people went down that line into regulating employees' lives outside of work when you know there's already talk of people well we're not going to hire you if you smoke well you know I I can see how they can say in the work place we you don't want them to smoke but when somebody leaves work I don't think that it's the employer's right to regulate their lifestyle at all
[speaker001:] well do you think it's should be illegal for an employer to do this or
[speaker002:] uh I really think it should be except as I've mentioned twice now in the specified industries or or jobs because there are certain things where it's just vital that a person is clear minded at all times
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and other than that I think I do not think it should be allowable I think it should be illegal for them to to want to do that
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] it should it's kind of the big brother syndrome I mean I just anything like that just kind of scares me
[speaker001:] I tend to to view it even though I don't think I'd work for a company that did that I sort of want to defend an employer's rights as opposed to an individual's uh in addition to an individual's rights but an employer really I think has the right to hire someone on any basis they want to
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and if they say they don't want smokers I sort of feel like an employer should have the right to decide whether they want to allow that
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] uh and I don't really