[speaker001:] There a lot of places to camp in Dallas?
[speaker002:] Well, not necessarily in Dallas, but it's a very short drive to areas near here.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Do you do a lot of camping?
[speaker002:] Well, I have done camping in the past. Uh, I can't remember when the last time I actually went camping was. It was, uh, several years ago, and then I did most of my camping in the mountains.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Well, that must have been fun though.
[speaker002:] Well, it is. I enjoy hiking and camping. We went to the . I have, uh, some land there, and so it's, it's handy to, to station yourself there on the land
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and then make trips up into the mountains for backpacking and hiking and, and overnight camping.
[speaker001:] Well, that sounds fun.
[speaker002:] Do you do most of yours in tents?
[speaker001:] Yeah, we've done ours, I've only been camping twice.
[speaker002:] Oh, wow.
[speaker001:] And one of them I don't really consider camping.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker001:] It was on the edge of the lake and it was at a camp. I don't like those camping grounds
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] where, you know, you got R V beside you and then another people in tents beside you.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I just don't care for that.
[speaker002:] No, I agree with you. I think it's much nicer when you can really get out far enough away where,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that you can't see people
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] right out the window. But,
[speaker001:] Well, it doesn't, uh, we, uh, four years ago, it was about four years ago, my little boy was three months old and the first time I left him we went overnight camping.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And we went, and we found this little peninsula out in the middle of nowhere by the lake. And we had a ball.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Just sat out there with our, we didn't even use tents then, we just had, uh, sleeping bags
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and fire going. And we fried potatoes and bacon and everything for breakfast the next morning.
[speaker002:] Doesn't that always taste so much better,
[speaker001:] Oh, it did, it did.
[speaker002:] when you're out like that. Yeah.
[speaker001:] I didn't even think about frying potatoes. But my sister-in-law, she's always done a lot of camping.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And she's good. She'd think about bringing a rake so you can rake your area out. And, yeah.
[speaker002:] That's right. If you don't you'll find every rock on it when you
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] put your [LAUGHTER], when you put your bag down.
[speaker001:] Well, sh-, yeah, she was, she is always prepared, I mean, she brought everything from, like I said, toilet paper to the rake. The only thing we'd had to do, we had to go out looking for some kind of a grill, you know.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] We, and we, and we seen this old refrigerator that somebody had dumped
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and we broke the, I guess it's the freezing component
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and we broke that out of there and put it over our, um, hole.
[speaker002:] Oh, what a clever idea
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I wouldn't have thought about that.
[speaker001:] Well, it held our pan and, you know, the potatoes and stuff. We had a good time.
[speaker002:] Oh, that's a good idea.
[speaker001:] Yeah, we're still waiting to go again.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Well if you get a chance, now there are some really nice camping areas, uh, up in the Wichitas, which is in Oklahoma
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and, uh, Arkansas.
[speaker001:] Arkansas.
[speaker002:] I can't remember the name. It's, it's on the Oklahoma-Arkansas border.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And it won't take but just a, you know, just a quick look at a map to find where those mountains are,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] but I took a drive up through there, as a matter of fact, last September, just took the drive through to see what was there.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] They have some wonderful camping areas there.
[speaker001:] Pretty.
[speaker002:] Beautiful, beautiful country.
[speaker001:] Well, I love to swim, so I like to get out by a lake
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] or a, uh, you know, somewhere close
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] where we can swim.
[speaker002:] Right, well, Lake, Lake Tawakoni is a pretty nice place
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and we had a two bedroom mobile home there, but the boys still liked to throw their sleeping bags out by the lake and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] build a little fire and roast their marshmallows until the mosquitos bit
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and then they came in.
[speaker001:] How old are your boys?
[speaker002:] Oh, oh they're grown now.
[speaker001:] Oh, so they don't go camping with you.
[speaker002:] They go camping on their own.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] Once you start them, they enjoy it all their lives.
[speaker001:] Yeah, well, I haven't taken my little boy yet.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I'm afraid to get him out. He is so fearless, he, it terrifies me.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] He,
[speaker002:] Oh, don't be concerned. There's much less for them to get hurt on camping than there is elsewhere.
[speaker001:] Think so?
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Well, it's the water he's not scared of. He'll go out into it until it's up to his nose
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and then try to tread back [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. Well, it's easy to keep him occupied though on land. I know that I took my kids, we'd go out, and I've them walk with me along the lakefront
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and we'd have a little contest finding the tiniest shell, and finding the biggest shell. And, or we'd hunt pine cones
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] or we climbed some, uh, pinon pines one year and gathered the cones so that we could eat the pine nuts.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And, we did a lot of naturalist work when we were out. We, you know, we,
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] we searched for and we ate the wild plants and we gathered wild berries, and, uh, it's really, you know
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] the, the mountains can accommodate you if you know what to find.
[speaker001:] If you know what to look for.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. I had my boys build their own little c-, you know, three leg camp stools by cutting a branch off the tree and binding them together with bark.
[speaker001:] Well, that sounds so neat.
[speaker002:] And, uh, we cooked in a pot. I baked them a cake, right there on a camp fire. They were so impressed.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I used a tire chain and the bottom of a Dutch oven.
[speaker001:] Well, I'm impressed [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker001:] My mother-in-law and my, well, they've always done a lot of camping. I grew up in Louisville, Kentucky and there wasn't, I don't know, but we just didn't get out. My mother and my father split up when we were young, so, and my mother wasn't into that, and that's who I stayed with.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So we didn't do much outdoors stuff, except swimming
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] and we went swimming a lot.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And, uh, oh, excuse me, my baby's getting sick.
[speaker002:] Uh-oh.
[speaker001:] I know.
[speaker002:] Well, if our time is up we can quit.
[speaker001:] Yeah, um, I've got to clean her up [LAUGHTER]. I'm sorry, appreciate it.
[speaker002:] Okay. Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] I enjoyed talking. Thank you.
[speaker002:] You bet, bye-bye.
[speaker001:] Bye-bye.