[speaker001:] so how do you feel about capital punishment
[speaker002:] well I I'm not really certain how I uh I I'm not certain that it does does a lot of good I mean that it ends up ends up effectively uh uh uh avoiding a lot of the crimes that that have capital punishment
[speaker001:] right you don't think
[speaker002:] penalties yet on the other hand uh I don't know I mean there's things that seems like it's it's it's the right thing to do now you know I mean somebody as serial serial serial killer or somebody goes in and machine guns you know fifty fifty children in a school yard you kind of I don't know what about yourself
[speaker001:] I uh um I have a the same dilemma I think um it's it's you know it seems right sometimes and then other times you don't know um
[speaker002:] uh-huh I mean people like I it's been shown I mean like the Arab societies and stuff end up uh having effective effective effective punishments and and they're they're extremely severe um I you know I think to a certain degree the reason that it it doesn't serve as a deterrent uh may be because you you you you never know if it's gonna be applied applied right unlike unlike uh like in in Arab societies if you got get caught stealing they chop off your hand and and you walk around the rest of your life with one hand and then everybody knows exactly what what for right
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] and you know and here with our court system and and ways of sort of screwing it around and stuff you can you can kind of always count on the fact you know or or there's a good chance you're gonna get off and so
[speaker001:] um-hum and also it doesn't seem like it does them any harm I mean sure their life is taken but they'd spend the rest of their life in jail anyway so I think sometimes they'd prefer just to
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] get it over with so it's more of the easy way out than
[speaker002:] yeah some people
[speaker001:] making them pay for the consequences for the
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know what they've done
[speaker002:] except that you know I mean the the average cost to society to society of having somebody in jail for all their life is is extremely high I mean something I I was amazed at a uh per year it's something like twenty thousand dollars per inmate per year
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] to keep people in jail uh you know I mean that's sort of a uh sort of a crass perspective I mean on the usage of capital punishment but on the other hand uh um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know I don't I don't know if if it's a crime that's that's that serious that they're really never gonna be out of jail um
[speaker001:] right but then again also you can't bring back lives that have been taken anyway so um it's it doesn't it seems by that by I don't know doesn't ever really pay um
[speaker002:] oh I know I mean you can't it doesn't taking taking one more life doesn't doesn't doesn't get replace you know get things back the way they were right yeah I don't know I I don't know I really don't know uh I'm in Texas
[speaker001:] yeah right it doesn't bring back every what state are you in oh really in Dallas
[speaker002:] where where no I'm in Austin
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] and where are you where are you calling from
[speaker001:] um right now I'm in Utah but I'm from Plano Texas
[speaker002:] oh I see uh-huh
[speaker001:] so um
[speaker002:] yeah so you
[speaker001:] um what are the laws like in Texas it's
[speaker002:] it is Texas is has has is one of the one of the states well I guess there's more and more states that are that are going back to capital punishment um Texas has had it for a while it's one of the quicker it once it was uh it was reallowed I think it was outlawed for a while by the by the supreme court I mean or or the interpretation of the constitution and it seems like everybody stopped and then and then once they sort of reallowed it Texas was one of the first to uh to actually uh implement it again
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] they do it by uh by lethal do it by lethal injection so you know
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] I'm originally from Kansas and in Kansas also uh they they almost immediately put back capital punishment and uh there they do it by hanging
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] still right they have I still remember the the the movie uh In Cold Blood I don't know if you've ever I I I'm sure you're familiar with it but have you seen the movie
[speaker001:] I haven't no
[speaker002:] yeah the way
[speaker001:] and they do it that way
[speaker002:] yeah well they they show it not not I mean the the movie was made in like nineteen sixty two or something like that and so it's uh it's not particularly graphic but on the other hand it's
[speaker001:] huh
[speaker002:] it's fairly impressive to watch them you know walk into the room with gallows it's a kind of a barn like structure
[speaker001:] wow yeah I think that they're I think that capital punishment is is is um in tact in Utah also I'm not really familiar with
[speaker002:] is that right are you there in school yeah uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] yeah I am so but I think that they do well well long time ago I can I remember my dad was telling me this I think that um they do it by like a bunch of men have guns and one of them has the real gun in it so they don't know who killed
[speaker002:] uh-huh has has a yeah has has a real bullet and the rest of them have blanks
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I think
[speaker002:] yeah I I certainly wouldn't want to be the executioner I know that I've always said that if I if I had to kill and clean and my own my own meat I think I'd become a vegetarian
[speaker001:] yeah I know I know
[speaker002:] as as long as you're sort of safely removed from it it seems seems not so not so bad I guess but