[speaker001:] yes uh I haven't uh talked to anybody outside the Metroplex so I didn't even think of saying Arlington Texas this is a real first are you at work
[speaker002:] yes yes I am
[speaker001:] I I I've been trying to get people at five thirty and six thirty in the evening and I thought well I'm not having any luck I'll try the middle of the afternoon
[speaker002:] well I'm I'm happy we got through
[speaker001:] I am too well do you uh have any uh opinion on the subject
[speaker002:] well I'm I'm especially interested with what what's happening in the Soviet Union uh the the move to um uh the the the the Ukraine's vote to uh basically to secede and set itself up independently
[speaker001:] democracy hm
[speaker002:] uh is quite a remarkable
[speaker001:] oh
[speaker002:] accomplishment is that is that reported in the Texas papers
[speaker001:] oh sure well yeah we we we hear a little of the news uh God I have heard about that the last couple of days how how big is the Ukraine the area do you know
[speaker002:] um as an area it's not
[speaker001:] or a population or anything I'm really uninformed
[speaker002:] I I'm afraid I don't have the statistics in front of me it said
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] it's not a tiny area um if I was looking at a US map I would say it was sort of reminds me of of a uh well it's not as big as California proportionately maybe
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] but but but it's it's more significant in the sense of it's a great agricultural region
[speaker001:] oh I see oh I I didn't really know that I know a lot of their oh their countries that they had overtaken or wanted to be independent or several of them right and uh Estonia what about Estonia are they
[speaker002:] yeah they're they're completely out now
[speaker001:] right I thought they were
[speaker002:] yeah the three the three Baltic uh republics got out as quickly as they could
[speaker001:] but but the Ukraine Ukraine is especially significant because it of the agriculture
[speaker002:] right it's it's very important for the economics of the whole of the Soviet Union
[speaker001:] um so they would have a probably really fight to keep it in if they could
[speaker002:] right right um except they can't fight it's done done democratically um
[speaker001:] no they don't and Bush has already given his opinion on it right didn't I read that
[speaker002:] yes yes
[speaker001:] so now uh not that they may that may matter I don't know anymore I um fear for the Russians from what I read you know I wonder how they're gonna get through the winter
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] foodwise or any wise sounds to me like they'll start rioting soon or not that that would do any good but I guess people do that when they're desperate
[speaker002:] that that's true uh hasn't happened here for a while but it um
[speaker001:] well that's true since the Depression I guess when the veterans went to Washington and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and well you know with war riots of course let's let's hope we don't get to that point things are not so good in Texas jobwise
[speaker002:] no I've I've heard they're I hear you have some problems
[speaker001:] well we do we have lots and lots of uh layoffs here lot of companies folding lot of layoffs and it's pretty scary
[speaker002:] do you do you do you blame the the government in Washington for this
[speaker001:] well I don't understand economics that well I don't know I I I know that we have a terrible situation with foreign trade and that other countries put a lot of restrictions that we don't
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] and so I assume that that has some effect
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] or a great effect and I do uh I mean they said during the Reagan Reagan Bush years the rich got richer the poor got poorer the statistics prove that
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] so um I I guess
[speaker002:] so I mean you think it's it's you think it's Reagan and Bush have done this or is it just coincidence it was during this period
[speaker001:] well I really don't know I think maybe they uh maybe they contributed to it maybe they should pay more attention to these trade or you know to the more equalization of the trade
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] of course if somebody in in China China can make something for ten cents and we have to make it for ten dollars because we have unions well I don't know what's gonna happen then
[speaker002:] oh the Chinese use slave labor too that's that's one of the ways they get away with it
[speaker001:] right and child labor right well I don't know what do you think has caused our horrible situation
[speaker002:] yeah um I don't think there's any one one simple answer to the whole thing I mean it's that's very complicated
[speaker001:] one thing right well they say too that having a democratic congress and republican President is not good the I mean I've read that is a theory
[speaker002:] so which one are we gonna throw out
[speaker001:] well I hate to say it but I I'm tending to go stray back into my original democratic party I I
[speaker002:] uh-huh Texas Texas used to be a democratic state didn't it
[speaker001:] oh I know it used to right well you don't run into too many democrats anymore for a while I kind of deserted the party but now it it's looking better to me
[speaker002:] I like your governor
[speaker001:] oh do you oh I'm glad to hear that well I think so too I I just admire her her a lot
[speaker002:] she's an impressive woman yeah
[speaker001:] and uh I hope I really hope she does well but she's uh know you know probably more popular out of the state than she is here although she did manage to win but look who she was running against you know
[speaker002:] well yeah anybody could beat Claytie in Texas
[speaker001:] he shot himself in the foot so many times oh how did you get on this TI thing
[speaker002:] oh I I know some of the people