[speaker001:] I'm sorry um hobbies let me see I don't know if that took or not I'll do it again
[speaker002:] that's okay I didn't hear okay okay
[speaker001:] okay what are your hobbies I hear you have kids right that's your full time uh hobby right
[speaker002:] you you heard her in the background that's babies takes a lot of time huh I like uh most sports I like to do that I kind of like to do a little bit of sewing
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] oh little bit of embroidery work once in a while what do you like to do
[speaker001:] um-hum um I try to do some painting although I'm not very good at it um
[speaker002:] well I'm sure you probably are
[speaker001:] I well no not really
[speaker002:] you like it that's the main point right
[speaker001:] yeah I I have you know I inherited the genes that make me think I'm creative but not the ones that give me the ability to be so I always try
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] I I do some sewing mostly out of necessity um I'm making drapes for my house just because I'm
[speaker002:] oh boy that's hard sewing
[speaker001:] yeah well it isn't and it is it is you know actually the sewing isn't the hard part it's just being able to lay out the material and measure it because you need so much room
[speaker002:] measure it and get it uh well if it it depends on how elaborate you get it if you get pleats and all kinds of things
[speaker001:] yeah I've been doing that and that yeah that but usually I have to do the pleats by hand so that at least I can do it you know watching TV or whatever but
[speaker002:] that's a lot of work oh right right
[speaker001:] yeah and I've I've gone and you know put the needle through my thumb a few times trying to get it through but
[speaker002:] that feels really good
[speaker001:] yeah so that's not really my favorite thing to do or anything but I I need to do it
[speaker002:] you do it right
[speaker001:] I have let's see I have a dog and a lot of fish keeping fish I guess is my biggest hobby and
[speaker002:] keeping fish well they're probably easier than keeping dogs though aren't they
[speaker001:] um yes and no it depends on and how frequently they die and how much that bothers you
[speaker002:] oh no how much that bothers you and you probably have to clean out the tank uh
[speaker001:] that's you don't do as much as as I thought in fact my problem I had fish as a kid and they always died
[speaker002:] oh no
[speaker001:] I mean immediately and what I'm what I think now is the reason is I kept the tank too clean
[speaker002:] oh you're kidding because they need to have a little bit of the
[speaker001:] because you have right you need to let the bacteria build up and then it keeps all the chemicals in balance
[speaker002:] I say
[speaker001:] and I would just take everything out and just like you know wash it with scalding hot water and and it would kill all the bacteria and that would screw up all the chemical cycles again so
[speaker002:] oh no and so you'd have to start all over to build that up probably
[speaker001:] right that's right so now all I I only clean things to make things look more aesthetically pleasing and I don't try and sterilize things
[speaker002:] right right don't go through the whole nine yards and
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] they kind of need a little bit of that
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] so you've had fish for a long time
[speaker001:] well I've had them I guess it's been two years now I've had a a tank here and and then back at home I used to have a small you know five gallon tank but that never worked well and
[speaker002:] what size do you have there
[speaker001:] I have fifty five gallons now it's a lot easier
[speaker002:] oh that's good size have you ever had it to crack or break or leak I was just playing you fifty five gallons you'd hope it would never do that
[speaker001:] no no not yet that's right I really do but you know
[speaker002:] what do you have all kinds of different fish or
[speaker001:] yeah I just have you know what they call community fish you know guppies and platies and and basic things I don't get into the expensive right right the expensive ones
[speaker002:] um-hum real exotic huh well they're probably hardy to harder to take care of and
[speaker001:] they are and they're very expensive and you know when you die it's like it when when they die it's more like an investment you've lost an investment so
[speaker002:] yes I bet it is do you have problems with them uh your fish eating each other
[speaker001:] no not really only if there's baby fish you always have to isolate those
[speaker002:] right then you have to how do you isolate them
[speaker001:] you get um
[speaker002:] a jars something or
[speaker001:] well no they have uh breeders it's a little plastic thing that sort of floats
[speaker002:] okay okay
[speaker001:] and you put the mother fish in there and then it's got like a trough underneath her so as the babies come out they fall down the trough and there's a hole in the middle so they fall onto the bottom part of the chamber so the mother can't get to them either
[speaker002:] okay oh
[speaker001:] and that's you know it it kind of works but it's also got slots in it so the water can circulate and on occasion if you get a real small one it'll fit out the slots
[speaker002:] right they will go through the slot
[speaker001:] that's right so but you know it works I guess
[speaker002:] that works all right they they don't uh want want the mothers to be with the little fishies
[speaker001:] yeah oh they'll eat them yeah
[speaker002:] they will isn't that odd you wouldn't think that that
[speaker001:] yes it and it's funny because the one I have every single month without fail she has babies
[speaker002:] you're kidding
[speaker001:] and oh no all all the time and um I've and she's supposed to her variety it says they won't eat the babies and I've seen her do it
[speaker002:] uh-huh that just makes you sick almost doesn't it
[speaker001:] so oh it's terrible well I mean it makes you understand that you know things are different you know we might right we might decide what's proper and what isn't but you know that's the way it is for them
[speaker002:] yeah things are different in the animal kingdom huh yeah that's kind of the way they do it
[speaker001:] yeah that's it
[speaker002:] survival of the fittest or something
[speaker001:] yeah because if the baby's strong enough it can swim away fast enough and go hide
[speaker002:] right go hide from them well and then you think well how do they do it out in the real world anyway
[speaker001:] so  yeah yeah
[speaker002:] when these little fish are in the tropicals or wherever they are
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] kind of trying to keep up with that but if you're like me you never have enough time for the hobbies
[speaker001:] huh no not really I I try I also I also I play a couple of instruments