[speaker001:] anyway I guess there was just somebody recently down there wasn't today in Texas was it or there was uh
[speaker002:] I'm not
[speaker001:] put to death
[speaker002:] uh I'm not sure there was the big one uh earlier in the week in uh California that on on and off and on and off um
[speaker001:] um in California yeah yeah so how do you feel about it about capital punishment
[speaker002:] I I don't know I'm I'm uh mixed views on it I don't I don't think that it really does much good as it as a deterrent uh the old thing in in terms of uh the the the uh biggest day for pickpockets was at the when they were hanging pickpockets but in public but uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh on the other hand it it the it seems like that there just aren't are uh some crimes and and some lives that that that there's no other at least emotional reaction to it what about you
[speaker001:] yeah well I've you know I I kind of like you there's certain certain crimes that I think it fits I'm for it generally speaking I think the thing that bugs me the most about it is that the process itself gets so drug out and so you know I understand you need to prove without a shadow of a doubt that the guilt and whatnot but the appeal process of it I think is what really bugs me if you're gonna make it go so long you know what's the use of it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] it almost becomes more more cost you know to much cost and more trouble than it's worth you know to to put somebody like that to death or something that you know
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] rather than just sentence him to life and forget all the hassle you don't have to pay the attorneys all those fees they get and whatnot because I feel like you know sometimes it gets too drug out but
[speaker002:] yeah yeah yeah
[speaker001:] I think I am I am basically for it with if you know if the crime of course fits it because some of those people this you got to wonder will they ever do anything I mean
[speaker002:] yeah right right that that there's just
[speaker001:] uh the time just comes that pure and simple you know you got to wonder if they're just a plain and simple menace to society or they gonna
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] ever reform but
[speaker002:] right well now does does uh uh Utah have capital punishment
[speaker001:] yes we do uh-huh and I and it's been a couple there was a oh it's been about fourteen years now there was a pretty hideous murder in a hi-fi shop where they murdered one person and they they the two people that did it they poured Drano down one guy's throat and they kicked a pen through another guy's ear and and all kinds of things like that and and of course a couple of them ended up dying and a couple didn't but
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] ah one of the kid one of the two men involved was uh was was uh put to death oh about two years ago and and like I said if it took about thirteen years for it to happen and the other guy is still sitting on death row you know fourteen fifteen years later
[speaker002:] um yeah
[speaker001:] and that's why you know like I say a part of my thing with the whole appeal process kind of bugs me because here they have sat for you know fifteen years and I I wonder about the families of the people who are the victims you know and they've got to be a little bit upset themselves and
[speaker002:] yeah that that that's it and uh that that it if it's gonna happen it seems like there there there's some sort of closure when it when it's over and done with I know that was one of that
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] aspects that covered the sequel to the case in California was was both it this is the first one in twenty five years and they've got something like over three hundred on
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] death row but the other thing was whether you know the family of the victims uh one of the fathers of the boys I think in California but you know wanted to be there to to witness it and it didn't feel like the whole thing was over and that's been fourteen years too I think and uh
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah that's true yeah they uh uh oh I forgot I lost my point but yeah that's like I say I think the the victims and just if that's gonna happen they they just wanna have it done and over with but you know I agree there's got to be some appeal process because it's almost you you wanna make sure in that situation that the person really did commit the crime uh you wanna give him every opportunity you possible can but uh
[speaker002:] yeah well that's the that's the thing here in here in here in Texas we've had a couple of cases in the last one one was a was a murder case where it was
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] at this point it's fairly obvious that it was a that a a girl was killed at a high school and it was pretty obvious that the police just picked out the black janitor and and uh set him up for it and uh he really didn't have anything to do with it and they that certainly makes you think again again and yeah yeah and uh
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum yeah that's that's the scary part especially something like this I know in uh you know this California case the uh the Civil Liberty or ACLU I guess the American Civil Liberty you know they were doing anything they could to prevent it even to going as far as uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] you know stating the gas chamber is not uh as cruel or is cruel and unusual punishment and in such that they just drag up any little thing they possible can to drag it out or or whatnot you know I mean
[speaker002:] yeah well now in uh in Utah what's the method it is it firing squad or what huh
[speaker001:] they use firing squad is is what's used a firing squad yeah
[speaker002:] yeah that's what I was thinking wasn't there a a big case