[speaker001:] all righty so how what do you think of capital punishment
[speaker002:] well Texas has capital punishment
[speaker001:] oh does it
[speaker002:] yep and uh they go through a set of appeals that lasts seven years and uh there are so many cases here like Sixty Minutes is on right now here there are so many cases here where they proved that they've convicted the wrong person
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] that I'm against it they should just give them life in prison
[speaker001:] well I feel that way the only exception I think is qualifies for capital punishment is repeat offenders where the offender actually murders people repeatedly
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] like serial killers or someone who has been convicted more than three times on a murder charge and then gotten out on parole I don't think they should be able to get out on parole and do it again
[speaker002:] yeah exactly right uh-huh
[speaker001:] that's the only time I think it's really
[speaker002:] well like in your state Charles Manson
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] or the guy who killed all those children
[speaker001:] yeah exactly
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum
[speaker001:] and I think I think those types of people deserve capital punishment but I think they should restrict it strictly for repeat offenders or like I said serial killers because I mean a lot of times not a lot of times but quite quite a few times they've convicted innocent people on the first time
[speaker002:] right um-hum
[speaker001:] but you know if they've been convicted like three times you know there something's wrong
[speaker002:] something's going on right
[speaker001:] so I think that's the only time it's really a necessary
[speaker002:] yeah I think so too after after it's gone that far then they pretty well have a
[speaker001:] uh
[speaker002:] enough proof that that person's
[speaker001:] the guilty party
[speaker002:] they can't be rehabilitated rehabilitated either so yeah
[speaker001:] right but that's really the only time when I agree with it
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] most of the time I don't think it's a good idea because like you said there have been cases where they've convicted the wrong people
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] just because of circumstances
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but in Arizona which is where I'm originally from they had a big thing about capital punishment there because we had like two serial killers within six months caught and they had a big thing about whether they should you know go for capital punishment or not but it's not used in Arizona
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so they had a problem with it unfortunately all the people got was sent to jail for a couple of years until they get paroled
[speaker002:] right I never heard about those
[speaker001:] unfortunately one of them killed a friend of mine so I was very much involved and when he got out on parole I was like go ahead get out on parole
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and after that I had I had to tangle with him and the police caught him the second time and they still wouldn't do anything except send him to jail so
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I definitely believe if they're repeat offenders they should be something to be done with them other than just sitting there for two years and then getting out and doing it again
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] but a lot of states have outlawed capital punishment
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I don't know which states in general
[speaker002:] and that's that's the reason that Ted Bundy supposedly went to Florida
[speaker001:] oh really
[speaker002:] that was his primary goal was to to have the death penalty
[speaker001:] hum
[speaker002:] because he started out in Washington and Oregon and traveled all the way across the country
[speaker001:] huh I didn't know that
[speaker002:] they had um Mark Harmon played him they had a movie about it a few years ago
[speaker001:] yeah really
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] hum I didn't know that
[speaker002:] and then of course there was a lot of publicity about it um the days before they killed him
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] um-hum so
[speaker001:] but
[speaker002:] and he was really you know he was off the wall so
[speaker001:] I don't know a lot of the crimes that are done nowadays it's like I think people have to be off the wall to do them but I still don't believe capital punishment should be used unless they're repeat offenders
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] but I don't know I once I finish law school I'll have more probably more views on it I'll be able to do something about it then
[speaker002:] and yeah and some of the ways I think that um the way that Texas um executes the prisoners is probably the most humane way they use they do it by injection
[speaker001:] oh do they
[speaker002:] yeah instead of you know the electric chair the gas chamber that's
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know
[speaker001:] that would be the more humane way of doing it
[speaker002:] yeah well they you know they just go to sleep and and then eventually they die
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] instead of being you know fried or or
[speaker001:] or stuck in a gas chamber until they finally pass on
[speaker002:] yeah fighting fighting for breath right um-hum
[speaker001:] but I know a couple of states still believe in the hanging but
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I don't I don't go for that either