[speaker001:] okay well how do you feel about uh drug testing uh for prospective employees
[speaker002:] well I I think my feelings on it are it depends I think if it's necessary if you have the kind of job that it it requires you to always be you know like police officers firemen doctors anybody who has you know who's important whose decisions are important and you know that's
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] that's what I think as far as you are required to not only be at work when you're not at work as it were you know what I'm saying if you if if
[speaker001:] oh I see oh twenty four hour people you mean
[speaker002:] yeah people who who could be at work at any time or whose decisions could be clouded if they had to make a decision
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh
[speaker002:] when they aren't at work but I don't see the point in it if you're if you're putting something together down at the local pizza place or whatever
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] then I'd uh I just don't see what merits you're going to have from gaining what you do when you're not at work in those situations is your own business I think I think that's an infringement upon your personal rights
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] that's an invasion of your personal privacy that's if they were to decide that you shouldn't be drinking would would they just you know I mean you you have to draw the line somewhere I think and give people the right to do what they need to do what they want to do
[speaker001:] uh-huh would you uh would you do it before they were employed or would would you say random testing is also okay
[speaker002:] yes I okay I'm I'm I'm I I think that's fine I think if you're if if it matters to you that much then you should you know I mean if you want to weed out those kind of people right from the start I have no problem with that because you don't you don't want somebody who's a drug user starting work for you but I don't I don't think that they can just
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] come back and and get you anytime you know I I don't think it it could be surprise at your door here we are you know or
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] or come to show up for work one day and they just say here you go I I don't know it's kind of
[speaker001:] it's a hard problem isn't it because because you don't want an airline pilot on drugs
[speaker002:] yeah it's it's really you don't  yeah exactly
[speaker001:] but at the same time that's a that's a that's an embarrassing humiliating kind of test to have to take people questioning you by you know by doing that
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum it's yeah it's kind of a do you trust me do you not trust me
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know it's I don't know I don't I don't know it's it's awfully it's it has it's points it's good points and it's bad points see it kind of makes us look like we're going in the other direction as far as the way the rest of the world's going almost
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know I've walls are coming come in Berlin and
[speaker001:] and we're and we're getting
[speaker002:] we and here we are we're going the other way and
[speaker001:] it does feel like it doesn't it
[speaker002:] yeah it does and so I don't know it's kind of a perplexing problem
[speaker001:] I know well it is because when we think about it and it isn't at all reassuring doctors have been on drugs for years from what I hear
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah
[speaker001:] you know and and uh we've uh and we have all sorts of people who've done things and I'm certainly not in favor of of any of that and yet somehow they've performed and then they say well if I did what I was suppose to do and did it the way I was suppose to do it then why would you you know whose business is it
[speaker002:] yeah who am I harming as long as I am doing my job yeah
[speaker001:] right and yet the potential like I don't like knowing that there might be an alcoholic who is flying my plane or or you know cutting into my body
[speaker002:] yeah yeah exactly you don't want your doctor coming in hung over if he's gonna be cutting on you that day that's for sure so uh yeah that is difficult you're gonna you can't but then that just kind of comes back to personal responsibility
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] you but I guess that's more or less forcing you to be personally responsible for yourself it's basically all they're trying to do with that then if you want to if you look at it that way because you would think your doctor wouldn't be out drinking the night before but but if he thought he could get caught doing it then he certainly wouldn't do it as opposed to well
[speaker001:] that's right that's right
[speaker002:] it's not a big operation tomorrow what the heck or something you know
[speaker001:] it's only only only old lady so and so from where ever and
[speaker002:] yeah yeah it's just a gallbladder it ain't you know no problem yeah I guess that's just uh that's basically what they're doing then just forcing you to be responsible but I guess some people have to be forced so
[speaker001:] right  yeah it and it does it does make you wonder because I'm not sure I was trying to think in in history have have people checked that or did people just did people just accept the responsibility or are we able to test things now that never could be tested before so therefore we're using technology in a way that wasn't available before
[speaker002:] that was yeah wasn't yeah that's I don't know I I kind of think well it's partially because we have the technology now but it's also because I think moral standards have gone downhill quite a bit since earlier you know I mean it's just it's just reached that point where society accepts
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you know you don't think about seeing your doctor out at a bar anymore whereas you know nineteen forty doctor so and so
[speaker001:] right