[speaker001:] okay well
[speaker002:] yep  I guess if I was going to advise a parent on um well you know maybe how to help their their child choose a college the first thing I'd be interested in is what's the child interested in doing I mean do they have a a a major that they'd want to be interested in you know courses that they'd want to be taking um
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and then the second thing I'd probably look at is uh what they can afford
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] you know in terms of you know how much money do they have or does the child have to pay are there any scholarships or anything that they could uh manage either you know through maybe an open system or maybe from a school itself
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and then kind of go from there you know that's kind of where I'd start
[speaker001:] yeah that's that's uh those are some good thoughts I I found for myself that to start off at a junior college in your local community and find
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] that way what you do is that you find what topics you're interested in because you really you can project say a you know uh a say
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] a student out of high school they might think that they have some interests but they haven't explored everything so they don't really know
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] so if they go to a junior college and and start taking some general education classes and things if they look through the catalog and think they find things that they're interested in
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] well then they can they really they can really find what they're interests are and then it plus it's also a lot more more inexpensive to do it that way
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that's true
[speaker001:] and be and then then then they can choose a college and then they can they can transfer yeah I guess uh the location is um is something you know it's uh whether they want to be close to their family or whether you know uh farther away or something
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum I think those are good points I think one thing I might I might differ with or or maybe we would agree on this is that uh I think there's some I think there some kids who who probably don't really know what they want to take
[speaker001:] right right
[speaker002:] you they don't have any work experience or whatever maybe they've taken some classes in high school or something like that I think the advice you give is is excellent for that I think on the other hand there are there are student there are students out there who know what they want to take
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh I might advise them to jump right in and and find you know a good school that they you know that has good standing uh in that area you know has a good faculty has a good reputation
[speaker001:] oh sure
[speaker002:] uh that's what I did
[speaker001:] sure
[speaker002:] I knew what I wanted and I was I was I was exactly almost exactly right
[speaker001:] yeah yeah it just that just helps the decision process when you know what's available because when you're when you're a a kid in school high school and stuff like this is it you're only cognizant of sort of your immediate area environment and surroundings so you just don't know what's there you might just you know like go oh wow that's neat you know
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] but another another thing and this is I think is really important is that the college hype okay
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and they send this they send these brochures and uh pamphlets and stuff to the the students and you know send us this money and we're going to give you these services and things like that
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah
[speaker001:] that isn't so they they're they're they're two horses of of three different colors and I had an experience uh I had to I stayed in the dormitory
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and I they forced you to have a mean plan okay and so you were forced to go to the dining room and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] the food was terrible you were you were treated like a second rate human being and the dormitory was hinged on a Nazi concentration camp
[speaker002:] um-hum okay
[speaker001:] and you just you just really didn't have any you know any rights and you just just it's just really structure like that and so one of my main suggestions would be to
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] for the parents to go to the college and just spend some time and talk to people if they want to send their student to the dorm well go to the talk to some people in there you know talk to the people and get the true information because as I said it's it they're just that's just two different things
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum yeah I knew uh I I think that's a good idea and in general I think it's a good idea to to go to the school I mean once once you've narrowed down
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] two or to to two or three or whatever number you know go visit the school school you know both the parents and and the student
[speaker001:] right alright but don't fall for the you know the the student the school tour and and all the hype don't fall for it because that's that's not because once you get in there sometimes you you make these commitments and you're not able to change them you know commitments so
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum yeah I mean and that's the thing you have to sit down and look at the uh at the individual needs you know I've you know there there some there some students who even as freshmen would be ready to go live in an apartment and and start cooking there own meals and everything but there some who wouldn't be
[speaker001:] oh exactly exactly
[speaker002:] I had a very good experience I was in the dorms for three or four out of my four years
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and uh I had a really good dorm experience