[speaker001:] right uh actually I lived over in Europe for a couple of years I lived in Germany and in Germany they don't have the jury system what they do is they have uh three judges basically and you get up there and the prosecuting attorney presents his evidence and your defense attorney presents their evidence and those three guys take the evidence go off figure it out and then come back and say whether you're guilty or not
[speaker002:] our our our judicial system is in such total chaos I think what they need to do is they need to somehow take the money out of it I mean when you have a man that's signed a a a statement saying he's guilty we have a a family called all day family they were all murderers
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] all the people signed confessions they went to a trial by jury they been trying these people now for twenty two years ever since I was a child
[speaker001:] wow
[speaker002:] and what they've done is they've bought Mercedes after Mercedes after Mercedes is what they've done has nothing to do with justice whatsoever
[speaker001:] well you know it's it's one of those things I mean uh uh I would have to look at that if they did it with the uh just the judges the police have to do a lot better job of making sure that their evidence is airtight because the judges sitting in that kind of stuff day after day they know all the procedures they know what's good and what isn't they'd be able to say I'm sorry you can't use this as uh evidence you know because it was either illegally obtained or whatever and you know you wouldn't have this uh uh theatrics where the lawyer jumps up and presents it to the to the jury and then the judge says oh no disregard disregard that come on any jury's not going to disregard the evidence you know
[speaker002:] uh that's true I I I think our judicial system is attorney welfare myself
[speaker001:] that may very well be
[speaker002:] I I hold it in the utmost contempt the uh
[speaker001:] uh that's a
[speaker002:] the the my favorite is the police department they're not aimed at the criminal the judicial system is aimed at the citizens because you and I we have work schedules we can be called at work we have Social Security numbers they can trace us down we have telephones and we have checkbooks criminals have none of these things they're real difficult to catch and if they do catch them they don't get any monetary gain out of it whereas us we write a check
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so where do you think they target their efforts
[speaker001:] that's true you do have a
[speaker002:] they target their efforts toward the citizens not the criminals
[speaker001:] well how would you go about changing it
[speaker002:] you know that's a I've nailed the problem down but I
[speaker001:] leave the details up to somebody else huh
[speaker002:] yeah I'm going to have to leave those details like what would you do about I think to begin with you would have you would have like here in Atlanta area our crime rate is just astronomical yet you go out on the streets and they're giving speeding tickets
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I think somehow you have to separate the revenues from
[speaker001:] well you know uh talking about the lawyers you know what might very well do uh cause a uh a drop in the number of lawyers and things like that is to set the fees for cases it's kind of like do it do it in the similar vein similar like uh VCR or television repair if you take your TV in a lot of these TV repair places will say well I'll repair your TV for a hundred dollars and if he gets in there and starts rooting around and finds something in there that's really tremendously wrong with it then he eats it he he repairs it gives it back to you and takes your hundred dollars now if he comes in and says you know I'll repair your your VCR or somebody else's VCR for a hundred dollars gets in there maybe it's a blown fuse takes him two minutes he fixes it he still charges you that hundred dollars so maybe if we did that with the lawyers so that you know whether it's a murder case or a you know a civil uh somebody suing somebody else you get X dollars for that case and that's it none of this
[speaker002:] now I I firmly believe in that because when you get the most heinous of crimes have you ever noticed you always get the most renowned defense attorney and here's this bum that didn't have a job and he's got a attorney that you and I could never afford
[speaker001:] oh yeah yeah that's true yeah
[speaker002:] who's paying for that
[speaker001:] um yeah well you you know you're talking to part of them that's paying for that
[speaker002:] yeah and you're talking to the other half that's paying for it
[speaker001:] that's right you know that's it it's it's amazing and and when you stop and look at it I mean the judges they're they're all former lawyers
[speaker002:] yeah well that's another problem I think to really correct the judicial system you have to get the lawyers out of it I mean they're they're totally and morally bankrupt without any ethics whatsoever and with that type person running it I mean you you could expect that you you could expect that you