[speaker001:] okay so do you enjoy camping
[speaker002:] I used to love camping but since we've got two little kids our camping styles have changed dramatically
[speaker001:] yeah well
[speaker002:] we've tried to go camping with them and the last time it wound up with my husband the only one that couldn't stand them left in the tent because the kids wouldn't calm down they wouldn't go to sleep they were crawling all over us they thought it was just party time all night long you know
[speaker001:] yeah we really haven't tried camping with with our daughter yet we we'd like to now she's getting a little bit older she'd enjoy it
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] but uh I used to I was in Boy Scouts all through college and everything else so I was involved in a lot of camping you know when I was younger but
[speaker002:] oh boy so you're an old hand at it yeah
[speaker001:] even my desires for camping have changed uh used to be from roughing it and sleeping outside to now to to tents and motor homes and things like that
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I like cabins they're real nice also I've found that when we've gone camping we've had some bad experiences sometimes when you even have seem to have uh
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] you know tent sites that are a little bit off the beaten path but there's a cluster of them and we wound up with people like you know four feet away from us that are just bombed out of their minds or something all night long partying and that's not my idea of going out you know and being with nature so
[speaker001:] yeah plus nowadays you just have to worry about being where you don't can't get behind locked doors even because you know somebody come up and knock you in the head in the middle of the night or you heck you never know
[speaker002:] oh yeah it's frightening yeah yeah
[speaker001:] but uh you know if I if I can get way way up you know way up in the mountains or you know way out someplace I probably be a little bit uh you know less concerned but uh
[speaker002:] yeah we went to Yosemite and um we went we got a little cabin there and that was really nice but uh someplace like that where you like you say you can get way out in the middle of nowhere you know where you can really be away from civilization I I would feel safer there than I would some of these little uh tent site areas you know
[speaker001:] uh-huh yeah I wouldn't mind I know my brothers he's a big camper uh backpacker and everything and I I'd like to try that sometime with him where they they actually just take the sleeping bags and whatever food they they hike in someplace you know up to you know ten fifteen miles and then they they
[speaker002:] um-hum oh wow oh my goodness my body can't handle that anymore I want a queen size air bed you know to go in the tent or something
[speaker001:] they yeah yeah really and truly that's that's that's more desirable course with my wife and daughter you know any kind of outing is is would be good just to get away and do it uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I found a problem here too since we moved to Texas three years ago I was feeling like there's places with without fire ants or that aren't like all summer long it's so hot I you know I don't want to be out there when it's a hundred and ten degrees out trying to sleep
[speaker001:] well that's the thing there's really only a few months that you can really get out and really do anything and uh
[speaker002:] yeah and it's so wet in the early part of it
[speaker001:] and you know unless you know like I say unless you have a trailer or motor home and that and that's really what I would like to do someday I'd like to be able to afford a a trailer uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] you know not a real big one but just something that that would have you know air-conditioning and a and an icebox and stuff like that so you can you can feel you can feel like you're outside but yet you know have a few conveniences
[speaker002:] contained yeah yeah yeah I can relate to that
[speaker001:] uh but uh you know
[speaker002:] we had some friends invite us to go to a place on a couple weeks that's uh four miles of dirt road and they have a trailer that they keep permanently there a little travel trailer and they said we could just camp out but with a two year old and a three year old three days without running water without the toilets I mean
[speaker001:] that's a little tough
[speaker002:] I can't imagine you know the diapers after three days forget it
[speaker001:] yeah that's that's a little extreme I
[speaker002:] yeah so you know I think we'll pass on that one but
[speaker001:] but now you know uh I know we'd like to maybe you know Disneyworld has those little campsites out there where you can you can rent a trailer or you know pull one or whatever and that might be kind of fun you know to spend you know spend a week doing all that stuff
[speaker002:] oh really that'd be nice yeah yeah yeah that would be fun
[speaker001:] but I don't think uh my wife or my daughter are quite ready for you know hiking into a campsite and sleeping under the stars and all that kind of stuff cooking over a campfire you know
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I'm not sure I'm up to it either really yeah
[speaker002:] fishing and then going and you know eating what you caught and all that good stuff huh
[speaker001:] when I was younger I used to love doing that king of stuff it was a challenge you know because you were with a bunch of other guys and you know you it was almost a competition but
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] nowadays I don't care
[speaker002:] yeah give me the Ramada Inn
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] yeah well I can understand that well we we'll have to get more supplies too I mean that's why it would be hard for me to imagine backpacking in because it seems like our car's just totally loaded down with everything we have to go camping it's like
[speaker001:] well of course you know you've got uh you got a whole different set of problems you still you know you need a stroller and
[speaker002:] yeah my well my husband said next time we go camping with the kids we're just going to strap them in their car seats at ten o'clock at night and then we'll go back to the tent they'll fall asleep and we'll be able to enjoy nature yeah
[speaker001:] uh-huh that's about right oh I remember just like when we traveled you you end up carrying everything uh everything that you own just about to you know take care of the baby uh
[speaker002:] yeah it seems like it we need a van or something to get I mean even with if we take the dog forget it there's no room for anything else
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] so yeah it's hard to do without the creature comforts sometimes
[speaker001:] but yeah I'm pretty rusty at it anyway I don't I don't know how I'd fare nowadays
[speaker002:] well last time we tried we bought a Coleman camp stove that was practically new at a garage sale for next to nothing and then we brought it home and tried one night to get it going and we could never get an even heat off of it so we need somebody you know with experience to go with us sometime or come over and show us how to get it you know going so
[speaker001:] well nowadays everything's so expensive I know like you know a good sleeping bag nowadays because like I you know all I've outgrown all that stuff and and it's been it's worn out anyway but to go out and buy a decent sleeping bag you know you're talking you know hundred dollars and
[speaker002:] yeah oh good grief
[speaker001:] and then then a you know a decent tent you're looking at a hundred fifty two hundred dollars and backpack all that kind of stuff I mean you could
[speaker002:] yeah you could stay really nicely at a spa somewhere for a week for what it would cost you to buy all that
[speaker001:] yeah exactly I mean by the time you get through outfitting yourself and then having to go sweat doing it uh you could you could go on a Club med uh everything inclusive vacati on
[speaker002:] really oh gee
[speaker001:] which I'd enjoy better anyway
[speaker002:] yeah well it
[speaker001:] but uh but I used to be a real good camper when I was younger I I mean I used to just we just you know carry canoes and and uh we used to hike all summer long we used to go up to New Mexico and and we would uh we would do nothing but hike and camp for three months
[speaker002:] oh that'd be fun oh gosh
[speaker001:] and uh you know wash your clothes wherever you are and you you really get used to the outdoors
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] nowadays to for me to think even think about doing something like that I mean it's just kind of like no no not m e yeah it's amazing how when you get older you get smarter
[speaker002:] I guess I'd like to think that anyway
[speaker001:] people actually call that fun yeah  I can't see that being really fun but
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] I guess I guess you know like I say if you know if you're going on a big hunting trip and you're going with two or three other guys that were good at it and that kind of stuff you know it might be okay for a few days
[speaker002:] yeah well they have these vacation packages I had a friend that went on where she went uh now what do they call it when you go down the rapids like in these rubber boats and stuff rafting or whatever yeah
[speaker001:] oh the white waters
[speaker002:] and she went oh gosh to Colorado or someplace and I mean they had like a a a gourmet chef that put you know the meal on for them wherever they tied up at night and I mean it was a whole different ball game wasn't like eating beef jerky or something
[speaker001:] yeah some of those things are pretty good yeah yeah some of those things would be okay
[speaker002:] yeah just expensive
[speaker001:] that would be a little probably a little drastic with kids but for you know two adults it it's rough enough
[speaker002:] yeah unless you just go and wear them out so badly that they'd collapse by the time they got off the raft they'd be wouldn't be any problem at all for the rest of the evening
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] oh boy
[speaker001:] boy I'd even I'd enjoy doing that myself
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that would be fun
[speaker001:] but everybody I everybody I've talked to that has done that they say after about three or four days of that
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] it takes them uh I mean they're sore for a week because you know you're all the tensing and the bouncing and everything else you use muscles you haven't used in years and
[speaker002:] oh really from all the bouncing yeah that's true
[speaker001:] and uh it you know that they end up staying home you know another three or four days when they get home just to recuperate from it
[speaker002:] oh gosh that's funny
[speaker001:] so I don't know but I you know like I said I used to enjoy camping but anymore you know just the whole atmosphere's changed you you don't you don't hear of many people that's taking their families and just going out go camping
[speaker002:] yeah yeah that's true
[speaker001:] you know now it's boating or or you know uh uh going on these uh uh white rapids or whatever the white water you know raft rides and stuff like that
[speaker002:] yeah yeah well I have you know hear like most of these people say things like going to you know Walt Disneyworld and stuff like that with their families it's more of a luxury kind of vacation than it is the the roughing it or whatever but
[speaker001:] yeah well they have that I had it's like a water country or something where they have this in the wilderness park it's close to it where you can take the kid and and kind of just let them go wild in that water country
[speaker002:] hum
[speaker001:] and uh you know and you and you kind of camp out and they got little little kitchens in the trailers and stuff but
[speaker002:] oh that sounds neat
[speaker001:] sounds like it sounds like it would be okay for a few days
[speaker002:] yeah yeah well maybe when ours get a little older and we really want to get elaborate we could do something like that but for right now they think it's a thrill to put put a pool in the backyard you know one of those little five foot KMart specials give them a glass of juice and boy they're ready for the afternoon you know
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] yeah they are fun
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] little toots
[speaker002:] yep
[speaker001:] sometimes you know I I think it would be kind of neat maybe if she just wanted to get a little tent or something and you know once we get a fence in the backyard and uh and just let her camp out maybe until till
[speaker002:] yeah yeah just roast marshmallows and
[speaker001:] twelve or one o'clock in the morning till she gets scared and wants to come in you know
[speaker002:] how old is she
[speaker001:] she's six
[speaker002:] oh yeah
[speaker001:] but she yeah she she looks like she might be an outdoors person eventually but
[speaker002:] oh
[speaker001:] they both my wife and daughter take after each other they they get hot real easy and just being outside during the summertime
[speaker002:] they'll just pass out huh
[speaker001:] yeah and you know I I can go out and mow the grass and everything else and and stand it just fine and uh but my wife she's real hot natured She she would uh she just gets gets outside for five ten minutes and she's ready to come back in So I don't I don't think camping this time of year would I don't even think she'd think about it
[speaker002:] oh gosh yeah no no that doesn't sound too
[speaker001:] it would have to be November early December
[speaker002:] yeah when we were living in California people all the time went in the winter you know up in the mountains and stuff I don't know I can't see that either um south of San Francisco
[speaker001:] where in California oh yeah so that that was that's nice there because you do have some cool weather and some mountains
[speaker002:] in Sunnyvale yeah yeah oh yeah the weather's really nice and then you go you know you can go up in the mountains and it'll drop thirty degrees just on your drive up there so that's kind of
[speaker001:] I used to go to uh Fairfield
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh that's real pretty country up there
[speaker002:] yeah there's a lot of nice