[speaker001:] Uh, do you want to give a start on it?
[speaker002:] Well, I think for me, I, I'm from Alabama.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] South Alabama, and so I grew up in the midst of civil rights movement.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Uh, in a pretty liberal family for, for that area at the time.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And so I was very much a part of all the, uh [breathing], you know, what was going on there.
[speaker001:] Uh-uh.
[speaker002:] Uh, my parents are pretty active and, uh, it was very scary and, but now we've seen, you know, [breathing] uh, black people have a lot more civil rights in that area and I guess all over than they did, you know, twenty years ago.
[speaker001:] Oh, definitely.
[speaker002:] There's still a lot to be [breathing], you know, to be accomplished, but
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] for me, when I think about social change, that's what I first think of because I can remember, you know, separate public restrooms and separate water fountains and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] sitting in the back of the bus and everything.
[speaker001:] [Throat clearing] You can relate to that. Now see, we didn't, we don't have any of that because, well, like, we live in the country
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] in Clarion County and, uh, we really didn't have things like that going on
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] that we, you know, uh, ran into. So we kind of, uh, I guess when I think of social changes, I think, think more of, uh [lipsmack], uh, visiting habits of families
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and such.
[speaker002:] Well, that's true.
[speaker001:] Uh,
[speaker002:] That's a good one right there.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that there's less visiting done, I think, on a whole than there used to be. Used to be that you took the family whether the kids wanted to go or not, you went visiting [LAUGHTER]. And, uh, today, you know, people, they do visit, but it's not quite the same as, uh, what it was, say, twenty years ago, thirty years ago.
[speaker002:] Right. And I grew up in, out in the country, too, basically, in a rural area
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] and with lots of family.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] And so we were always at family in different p-,
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] family members' homes.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But even now, you know, they don't even do that.
[speaker001:] Well, they're so spread out, I think has a lot to do with it.
[speaker002:] Well, and they're so busy.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] People, people's personal schedules are so busy.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Mainly because, I, a lot of it has to do, I think with more women working
[speaker001:] Right, right.
[speaker002:] in our family, you know, twenty years ago, not that many of the women worked.
[speaker001:] That's right, yeah.
[speaker002:] And now, uh, almost all the women work.
[speaker001:] The majority, yeah.
[speaker002:] And, so that means, you know, a lot of [lipsmack], a lot of the social visiting and all was, I think, probably instigated by women
[speaker001:] Probably, because when you work
[speaker002:] at that time.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] you
[speaker002:] Right. And now,
[speaker001:] don't really care to go out and visit as much.
[speaker002:] That's right.
[speaker001:] And, uh,
[speaker002:] And now, uh, I mean my mother does not work and, and she, you know, she's f-, finds herself pretty alone a lot
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] because most of her friends are working women.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But even just social visits, people don't do that anymore. You're right.
[speaker001:] No, huh-uh, they don't do as much.
[speaker002:] And people don't feel comfortable just to drop in on people
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] anymore. There's a real,
[speaker001:] You have to make arrangements or have
[speaker002:] Right, you know, you don't want to,
[speaker001:] an invitation or,
[speaker002:] You want to make sure it's okay or,
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker002:] I guess we don't not to make, invade people's privacy or whatever.
[speaker001:] Well, that could be part of it. I don't know for sure what it is. I know our children mostly are scattered out at a distance, so we really don't have that even. We don't,
[speaker002:] Well, out of, out of fifteen grandchildren in my family, only two of us don't live within fifty miles.
[speaker001:] Oh, really?
[speaker002:] And th-, and most live within ten
[speaker001:] Oh, that's pretty good.
[speaker002:] or, or twenty. So, but that's, you know, that is rural, it's a rural family and
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] most people didn't go away. I'm just one of the two
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] out of fifteen
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] that don't live in the, you know, even in the same state.
[speaker001:] Well, apparently there must be work available, for those
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] that are,
[speaker002:] There is in that area.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Because around here, there's really nothing for the young people, no good, I mean there's jobs. There's minimum wage jobs, but, uh, to make a good living, there really, around here, there just isn't too much.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh. And I guess, you know, that would greatly affect social ch-, i. e., social change.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Probably the job market has alwa-, and the, the economy
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] has always affected, uh, social change.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Probably.
[speaker001:] So, [lipsmack] well, there's the main things I can think of. I really tried to think of some other things and I couldn't really,
[speaker002:] Well, I think just, also, you know, the women's movement, too, has affected a lot of social change.
[speaker001:] Yeah, definitely.
[speaker002:] Uh, people
[speaker001:] Some good
[speaker002:] marry,
[speaker001:] and some bad [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Yeah. People marry later.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] I mean basically, I think, now, again, where I'm from in, in Alabama that's not necessarily true
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] because people do still get married right out of high school.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] But now out here in Texas where I am now, that's very unusual.
[speaker001:] They'd rather get their life started first before,
[speaker002:] Most people get marrie-, I mean get, go to college or at least get a job and even, you know, people are, seem to, a lot of people seem to [breathing] be engaged for a long time before they get married
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] because they do want to be financially set up.
[speaker001:] Yeah, well, even to get school finished, I think, a lot of times it's better if they do finish their schooling before they settle in. Because a marriage takes a lot of effort and concentration [LAUGHTER] and if you're busy with school it's, I think it's really difficult for a family.
[speaker002:] Right. But probably, uh, you know, more women being in, in the work force also greatly, greatly affects social change.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] Because it affects child care and,
[speaker001:] Right, right.
[speaker002:] Uh [lipsmack],
[speaker001:] Yeah, I know my, my daughter that lives in Pittsburgh, she has two little boys and they, they've been in day care since, you know, one's four and one's one
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] and they've done well [NOISE]. Now, I wouldn't want to do it that way, but, uh, she's quite happy and the children seem quite adjusted.
[speaker002:] Well, and they're, you know, they're, they're saying right now, we don't know what, we just now are seeing the effects of day care on
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] the generation that's just now coming into
[speaker001:] That's right, yeah.
[speaker002:] the work force and in their twenties.
[speaker001:] Yes, uh-huh.
[speaker002:] They are the first generation that basically grew up with day care.
[speaker001:] That's right, yeah.
[speaker002:] And so, you know, [NOISE] it remained to be seen exactly what that, what that does.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Now, I'm going to baby-sit my granddaughter. She's just eight weeks old, so this will be new for me [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] So, uh, but the others I'm too far away to help them out at all.
[speaker002:] Where do they live?
[speaker001:] Uh, well, I have a son and daughter that live in Pittsburgh. One in Maryland and one in Connecticut. A son in Connecticut.
[speaker002:] Well, they're not too far, though.
[speaker001:] No, but like Connecticut takes eight hours to drive home and, uh, it's too far to, you know, really go too often.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] Pittsburgh's not quite so bad. It's just a couple hours. Maryland, maybe five hour drive.
[speaker002:] Well, I live like fourteen hours from home.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. That's worse yet.
[speaker002:] In fact I'm,
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker002:] I'm driving tomor-, I'm, I'm driving home tomorrow, so,
[speaker001:] Oh, are you really?
[speaker002:] To go be there for the Fourth of July.
[speaker001:] Do you, uh, stay overnight on the way, or you,
[speaker002:] No, I can drive it all. It's just me,
[speaker001:] You're young.
[speaker002:] So I can make it.
[speaker001:] How old are you?
[speaker002:] I'm thirty-five.
[speaker001:] Okay, well you're young enough yet to [LAUGHTER],
[speaker002:] Although it's, it's, it is pretty, I don't know, I don't enjoy it that much.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] It's pretty much like get there and,
[speaker001:] It's work to get there. Yeah.
[speaker002:] It's just not that pleasant.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Even with other people, I basically just don't like to drive that far.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh. Now my son, they, they, flew, he rebuilt a Aranca Chief, airplane, and they flew down last weekend. They came down in it. And it still took a long time because it's not a fast, it's not a high-speed airplane.
[speaker002:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] But they enjoyed in thoroughly. So,
[speaker002:] When you say you're in the second phase of this project, what is the second phase of it?
[speaker001:] I'm not sure, but you have to change phones. You have to call from another, a different,
[speaker002:] Oh.