[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] well how many children do you have
[speaker001:] well I have three they are all grown but I have three grandchildren that live very close by that I spend a lot of time with
[speaker002:] yeah well that's great that's good how old are your grandchildren
[speaker001:] oh see oldest one's fourteen then the youngest one is six
[speaker002:] well good my we have five children and our oldest one uh will turn uh fifteen next month and the youngest one uh will turn uh eight the end of April so they're about the same uh range as your grandchildren um-hum uh and so uh they're pretty busy right now we the oldest is in uh
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] uh the ninth grade school here uh the second one is in uh junior high third one is in uh what they call it intermediate school fifth and sixth grades
[speaker001:] um-hum right
[speaker002:] and the last two are in uh an elementary school and it looks like uh we're gonna have them in at least four different schools for uh you know three more years so that keeps us busy running around some times
[speaker001:] uh-huh oh yes
[speaker002:] are your are are yours in school near there your
[speaker001:] yes yes they are in fact you know I pick them up from school their mother is also going to school she's in nurses' school and ought to be finished in May so that leaves me a lot of time with the grandchildren
[speaker002:] hum what kind of things have you done with the kids
[speaker001:] oh well like they are in dance class and things like that and I pick them up from school and I take them there um which it's all right for one of them I think because she enjoys it and seems to have a talent for it but the other one I wonder about I think she's just pushed into it
[speaker002:] yeah well that's possible for now
[speaker001:] to have something to do and uh are
[speaker002:] yeah I guess that trade off between uh you know letting them just do the things they enjoy doing or pushing them kind of just a little bit of a nudge so that they they uh you know get into something far enough that they do enjoy it by themselves you know is is a tension for most parents
[speaker001:] yes uh-huh well I I can can sympathize I know I I would go when mine were growing up uh from one extreme to the other you know either I we didn't do anything or we did too much it's it's hard to decide and uh
[speaker002:] yeah right right
[speaker001:] decide when they're old enough to make their own decisions that uh you are I wanted them to have the opportunities to do what they wanted but
[speaker002:] that's right we um-hum
[speaker001:] wasn't sure what that was
[speaker002:] yeah well we found out particularly with piano we wanted the kids to take piano for a few years you know and I said well you need to take it for for at least six so that you know whether you wanna do it any more you build up enough enough skill that you can you make a a reasonable choice so we pushed for a few years but then uh then we moved and and dropped it I hope some get back into something into something
[speaker001:] well they may pick it up a little bit later and uh
[speaker002:] I hope so
[speaker001:] all that but uh I know my oldest one he is well he's an honor student and just wins all the awards at school but he's not really outside of school involved in anything other than the church activities so uh he's not a baseballer or anything like that but he seems very well adjusted and
[speaker002:] well um-hum  most of our focus is either on some school activities or going to or our church activities and they uh we just moved here uh this summer and so we uh we're sort of getting into things uh they've got a good number of of activities and uh we enjoy you know transporting them to that because we really hope there's gonna be some benefit from those things you know and uh
[speaker001:] oh right yes that's that is good
[speaker002:] so they're they're doing that we uh uh haven't gotten into too many civic activities where we were before they were playing soccer and uh
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] did a little bit of gymnastics uh things like that uh here we haven't really gotten into it too much uh we may later on sometime if you know they show particular interest
[speaker001:] yeah I imagine imagine it takes a while to settle down and let children settle in school and
[speaker002:] sure
[speaker001:] find out friends and what what it is they're wanting to do
[speaker002:] that's right yeah
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] well I uh I don't know about the time we spend with them it seems like we're with them all the time if we're not here you know not working you know uh but um I'm sure they'd like more and it's hard for us it's hard to balance it you know there's some that sort of uh I don't know about demand but you know sort of just take up more time just by their nature and uh we we struggle to uh I do any way not to work so much that I I don't give them time you know being with them and stuff like that
[speaker001:] oh yes uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh sometimes it'd be just nice to come to the office and and work straight through without you know uh spending time with them but I like you know I like to spend time with them and and be with the kids and all like that I
[speaker001:] well yeah well it's
[speaker002:] uh do you take them over say to see