[speaker001:] it looks like um we're going to have um a um sort of a third party movement on our hands in the fall
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and uh I guess the last time that happen was uh well I guess it was Anderson in seventy two and then there was Wallace in sixty
[speaker002:] Anderson
[speaker001:] eighty or whenever it was
[speaker002:] yeah I remember remember Anderson but also a little a little young for that one
[speaker001:] I guess the what I see behind it this this this uh maybe it's always true of third party movements but this one seems to be almost entirely negative almost completely a reaction to uh um uh failure of the other two parties rather than anything positive that's uh represented
[speaker002:] yeah I that's a pretty good point I hadn't thought about it like that but yeah it's I guess it's not really um a start up with uh necessarily new ideas and you know this is my positive outlook but rather uh saying well uh I'm just not very happy with uh with the other two parties seem to be going type of thing
[speaker001:] yeah I think there's absolutely no political philosophy the only thing that uh Perot um seems to has to offer is that uh he's a doer
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and since most people agree on what needs to be done but nobody can figure out how to do it he's just going to say uh I'm a CEO I know how to tell people to do things and get them done
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] which is uh pretty attractive and when uh Congress can't seem to be able to get anything done
[speaker002:] yeah I guess read a political cartoon uh must be probably about a week ago now or maybe you saw it I don't know how widespread this was but it showed uh Perot like revealing his you know what he stood for or whatever it's kind of like he had showed him open up his overcoat and open he open they drawed him um they drew him opening up his overcoat and inside was another overcoat
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] so it's like you know his he hasn't really he hasn't really said very much of what he stands for or what you know he's kind of pretty much vowed to saying you know I'll get I'll get this done and get that done you know but what is this and that type of thing
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but
[speaker001:] well I think um it's it's a reaction to what's what's happened over the last ten or fifteen years where um the parties really just seem to be intent on blocking the other party from getting any further the the uh
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] the Democrats want to get the Republicans out of the White House and Republicans want to try to get control of Congress but they don't seem to have any really big ideas or sweeping um vision of where things should go
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] and now things are are so stalled that uh out of uh pure frustration comes along with uh uh a guy who says he can get things done
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] so maybe he is part of a um a more general trend in politics over the last twenty years  the um uh I don't know those of us who weren't too happy with the Reagan years saw that as a as just a um of selfishness and um
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] government just got out of the way there wasn't no prevailing philosophy except do what you can to get you something for yourself
[speaker002:] yeah it it it seems it seems as though that that's definitely definitely a point of the two parties pretty much trying to block each other and there's been a definite I'd say definite loss in actual you know ideals and there's just there's too much each side you know where there's Republican or Democrat both of them like trying to
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] you know either play to the hands of like what the dominant philosophy is uh not not not not dominant but like old style philosophy of each each
[speaker001:] um
[speaker002:] in each party and not really coming up with a new ideas or the or maybe I mean it it you know it's time for maybe a definite new vision and and what's going on which may be you know a blend of both you know maybe both parties or you know a little bit of this a little bit of that which may not fall into the lines of either party but you know just doesn't seem as though either party wants to do very much that rocks the boat or maybe maybe says oh its time for a little bit of you know
[speaker001:] um yeah
[speaker002:] things aren't going very well oh in the big picture maybe right now Congress getting better or it's maybe it's getting worse or who knows but you know it's just like a little ripple in the ocean it's know some some somebody got to look down the road a ways and say well what's going to go on
[speaker001:] yeah what yeah what I see is all tactics and no strategy um that and uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] it's I mean it's fun to watch on a day by day basis but it doesn't get anything done in the long run
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] if all you're interested in is making the other guy look bad and making yourself look good you don't really accomplish anything
[speaker002:] right yeah
[speaker001:] in the long run the infrastructure deteriorates and people kind of lose their uh sense of a of purpose
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I take that definitely