[speaker001:] well what do you think about how we've changed in the last ten twenty years
[speaker002:] I think it's pretty amazing I think um that my grandparents especially have seen a whole lot of change in their lives but um
[speaker001:] in in like in what ways particularly are you thinking
[speaker002:] well technology but also morals morals and things like that I think even even in the last like four years you can still see things falling so fast and that can be
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] for me that's the biggest change it's so frustrating um to see everything
[speaker001:] disintegrating
[speaker002:] disintegrating and losing control your your losing control it seems like of the moral fiber of our society
[speaker001:] yeah it seems that well it its a seems like it's definitely a transitional time I'm not sure exactly what's happening there're good things that have happened but but at the moment we're suffering from I think information overload for one thing um just just the technology like you mentioned
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] faxes and car phones and VCRs and all of that that make us so immediate there there's no time for relationships talking sitting being with each other all of that
[speaker002:] I think you're really right I think like well even with computers um
[speaker001:] oh yes
[speaker002:] you can there I mean there's so much that's happening in in that field and it it just has forced us to go so fast and um even the way we write it used to be if you read a book like you know Thomas Hardy takes two chapters to establish the mood and
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and just describes the scenery and what's been going on and stuff and now we just chopped all that out and say well let's get to the point and
[speaker001:] exactly no patience
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] no attention span
[speaker002:] yeah exactly
[speaker001:] these sound bites you're exactly right I mean all there's all that and then we've got the rich getting richer and everyone else getting poorer with with you know with with little hope of of having any impact I think impotence is a is a a word that that suits most of America now we don't feel like we can influence you know influence anything
[speaker002:] yeah you feel out of control
[speaker001:] uh-huh uh-huh like just a few people have it all wrapped up and they're not going to let you through um
[speaker002:] yeah um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and it's a bad feeling
[speaker002:] yeah it is it's really frustrating and the way our families you know our nuclear families are disintegrating and stuff it's just a real
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you don't have the the social networks we used to have to
[speaker001:] yeah go ahead
[speaker002:] to protect the family and protect the people in the family and things like that with everyone moving you know every five years you lose your contacts you lose trusted friends that you know they'll do things you know in America it seems now it's independence is the thing and
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] you know heaven forbid if you ask anyone for anything
[speaker001:] yeah then that's
[speaker002:] whereas we used to be able to depend on each other and trust each other and you'll help me and I'll help you not and not in this corrupted sense but in the sense of you know when you're in trouble and you need someone you know someone to babysit the kids sure
[speaker001:] um-hum the interdependence interdependence in a nice way
[speaker002:] yeah exactly
[speaker001:] yeah I think uh I I don't know there was a lot there was good and bad in the nuclear family we've certainly found out a lot about the bad about it
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh but but but the community however the family looked and it didn't always look like a nuclear family even then you know you had generations living together or you know whatever community has just definitely been lost and
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I think a lot of people are trying to reestablish it in all sorts of different ways um you know well okay so we don't have a small town and okay so we move but you know maybe there's some way that we can have a group that works together you know everything from people who do live in communal you know almost commune areas that they've started up again you know um special cities or little towns that do that to people who do it through a church or through a book club or something I mean something you know even offices have started sort of becoming the community
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I think I think because it's a necessity
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] as as as human beings we need a network around us of people we can rely on I guess that's uh thing is that right now it's such a um
[speaker001:] um-hum and yeah
[speaker002:] temporary thing that how far does it go how far can you depend on them and they're so much more fragile at the touch you know
[speaker001:] yeah yeah and that's a good point and and we don't have the intergenerational generational community either which means that do you do you have to be between twenty and forty to be accepted and if