[speaker001:] so do you your privacy being invaded at any time
[speaker002:] well one of the things that uh that I found to be uh an invasion is when I pay for something with a credit card and they ask me to put my telephone number on the on the uh credit card bill that is something that is not required and in fact uh
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] it is actually prohibited but it doesn't stop many people from uh from doing it and it's one of the things that it's used for primarily is for demographic uh research and to get the your your phone number on uh uh lists for phone solicitations
[speaker001:] yep yep there's a lot that you you can still yeah I have always done that I started once I found out that that's really not necessary or legal then I just refuse and I say what are you gonna do you gonna say you don't wanna sell me this product then that's fine I'll just buy it somewhere else or not buy it at all
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and then ultimately they say no you don't have to put it down but uh really it's part of this compliance thing
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh the thing I don't like I know that certain states actually sell their uh their lists like uh motor vehicles
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] that really burns me because hey you're required you have to do that
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and nowhere does it say you have asks you whether you have permission or not to sell your name or information regarding that to anyone
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I think that's it it's one thing voluntarily give it because someone asks you can always refuse but it's another thing where it's required by law and then they go ahead and take that information and sell it to somebody
[speaker002:] right uh that
[speaker001:] you know I don't think I don't think they have the right to do that
[speaker002:] I agree with you there that's something that uh people have seen oh here's an easy way to make some money but uh I don't know if that's been challenged in the courts or not I've I've heard fairly recently uh some talk about that in this in in my state ah the budget problems up here are are pretty tense and people are looking for alternate ways of uh you know enhancing revenue is the uh phrase they use and they were talking about selling the DMV lists and there was a lot of uh a lot of uh consternation about that and the last I heard they'd backed down from that idea but it really makes you wonder what other lists you're on that have been made uh public that you don't know about
[speaker001:] well that's easy whenever you donate money to someone
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] they you become put on something like a sucker list and you start getting millions of calls or
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] solicitations and then you start it kind of makes you feel deeded from doing it again like uh National Public Radio or
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] any of these the public uh stations you know I I I I think I sent in in money for
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] once to uh to public uh TV
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and I started getting calls from all sorts of diseases and syndromes and everything you could imagine I it's like
[speaker002:] hm
[speaker001:] and it just started soon after I had done that once and I just said this is this is terrible
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] um and that's also happened to me where as I've given money to my old Alma Mater in college
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and uh it's one thing they don't sell the list but the thing that makes me mad is uh then they start getting uh other people to the people do these phonathons and they call you up
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and they actually happen to be people who are graduated in your class or something like that and they say oh we we know you you uh had uh contributed X amount last year can you do better this year and you know like hold on here who how do you know that why why you even telling me this
[speaker002:] how do you know that
[speaker001:] is it any of your business I mean it's one thing that I and the colleges knows that that's just our business there's no need for someone who's soliciting should know it all
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] just uh and that was very offensive too
[speaker002:] last year the uh Lotus Development Company the uh company that puts out One Two Three was planning on marketing a uh cd-rom
[speaker001:] uh-huh right
[speaker002:] with peoples names sorted by number of different criteria