[speaker001:] okay as far as uh universal health care um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] I guess I'm all for it I think it's time that we start looking at um getting into that um health cost has continued to rise and I think uh there's people that to me it's the fundamental uh life life of a person um it it doesn't matter if you have money or no money or all the money in the world um you would
[speaker002:] you should still be
[speaker001:] everybody should be able to have surgeries that will save their lives or things that will make their life more comfortable verses than just the rich people that can afford to pay or to work for corporations that have wonderful health benefits um I think if uh they looked at it as a way of business helping out financially for universal health care and uh individuals um helping out in some sort of way whether it be taxes or some how but uh the expenses right now for health care um are just unreal
[speaker002:] well they really are even for even when you're not talking about surgery if you're just talking about basic care we've
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] we've got four children and you know in the past month they it just they pass things from one to one and it just can devastate your budget you know um
[speaker001:] um-hum oh sure and your constantly exactly yeah the only I I know that um uh I know a little bit about the uh European uh universal health care and there's some pros and cons one of the things of course is everybody gets health care but uh sometimes health care uh when you get into a universal system lacks in uh what would be considered uh how can I say it um over like in Poland uh where my father-in-law lived for years their their health care system is um because no financial gains are available for doctors uh they may just go into being a doctor just clearly just to be a doctor for the full reason but most people that go in to being a physician here in the US do it for financial gain
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] they say well jeez if I get into this area of dermatology I don't have to do this I can do this and I can you know
[speaker002:] can still make big bucks
[speaker001:] yeah or plastic surgery or uh if I become a uh heart specialist I'm gonna make this kind of money uh and there's you know financial gains toward that and in a universal system I don't think there is a financial gain for the doctors
[speaker002:] do you think that the quality um it would would be as high
[speaker001:] the quality I think goes down um-hum when you have a universal system um
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] the only way they could do that is by having a real good quality check um and also offering some kind of because I think uh all physicians well anybody um likes the ability ability to kind of uh get themselves financially uh situated uh I guess that's the whole US concept is to come here and
[speaker002:] right more motivation
[speaker001:] yeah and I don't know if you can have that with a universal system maybe you know there's a way of working that out but I know that in Poland in particular the doctors just go to do their job and that's it that's what they look at it as there's no
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh and that's sad because if that's the case if if doctors aren't going in to be doctors to help people then maybe they shouldn't be in that area anyway but
[speaker002:] right yeah
[speaker001:] that might be one way of weeding out those that are greedy for the money and those that really want to help mankind
[speaker002:] that's true yeah I uh
[speaker001:] so but I I think we have to head toward that way
[speaker002:] well we're going to have to do something because there's just too many people in the country that are uninsured and and you know you cannot I mean it's just
[speaker001:] uh-huh I'm worried when I get older you know and uh let's say for instance you uh
[speaker002:] oh sure
[speaker001:] get fired or or not fired but maybe laid off from your job you no longer have insurance
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] I mean and you're sixty some or uh fifty some years old you try try to find insurance
[speaker002:] um-hum oh yeah
[speaker001:] I mean you're you're uninsurable unless you want to pay five hundred six hundred dollars a month and I know people that are paying two hundred three hundred dollars a month for insurance
[speaker002:] that's right yeah
[speaker001:] and how they can do it I have no idea um I know working for small corporations and health insurance um myself um it would cost for a family and this was back three four years ago to put my entire family up and this was working for like a medcenter uh health plan um it was like eighty dollars out of my paycheck so
[speaker002:] yeah well ours ours is three hundred for our family and I mean we that is we pay that instead of a car payment you know I mean I'm driving a piece of junk you know
[speaker001:] see yeah well we do the same I mean it's I think uh people are changing their viewpoints of you know it's getting harder and harder to survive
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] and uh and that's why uh if they don't go to a universal system something's going to happen we're gonna have uh
[speaker002:] see yeah
[speaker001:] uh larger amount of people dying