[speaker002:] okay well let's see invasions of privacy actually um I can't think of too many except uh oh occasionally my employer
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] or um sometimes it seems of a bit of an invasion when I when I get calls from phone solicitors
[speaker001:] yeah that's that's one of the that's also that's also for me invasion of privacy that's also a one of my pet peeves
[speaker002:] well I get I've uh figured out someways creatively as to fight back with phone solicitors though
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] like um well I I've discovered it's kind of fun to try to take control of the conversation
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] uh like you know typically they're reading from a script
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] so if you start asking questions right away
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] or do anything that's a little out out of the ordinary they get really thrown
[speaker001:] oh I see
[speaker002:] so like often what I'll do is I'll call up and say hi I'm Carla from XYZ company and I'll say excuse me uh what's your name again and uh act like I'm writing it down and could I have your last name Carla
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and what's the name of your company you know and this by this time they're really shook up and then um I ask her uh uh Carla could I have your home telephone number please
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and and they go well uh no I go well why not I said well I don't give out my home number as well why not I mean you're calling me at home I ought to be able to call you at home and that really shakes them up
[speaker001:] well that's good you have a good sense of humor with it I I would do something like talk to them for like two minutes or something and then say uh well you know the person to talk to isn't isn't isn't here right now wait a minute I think they're just just a minute let me see if they're here and then you leave
[speaker002:] yeah right or put them on hold yeah
[speaker001:] and see how long yeah see how long they'll wait but
[speaker002:] yeah well another thing you can do is you can pretend that you got them on call waiting
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] say I'm on long distance on the other line or you can just say no thank you and hang up
[speaker001:] yeah right well I yeah well one of my Tad T A D okay uh one of my things one of my pet peeves is social security numbers
[speaker002:] ah
[speaker001:] and that is um I'm an adult but I'm going back to school and everywhere on the campus where I write a check it's they want social security numbers on everything and I just go bananas because it's just it's number one it's none of their business and it and it doesn't have they want it they want it to be put on your check
[speaker002:] yeah and those are used as pin numbers a lot like with my bank uh uh if I want to move money around over the phone or check my balance or anything the pin number they want is the last four digits of the social security
[speaker001:] right exactly and plus in California they have this new thing where they have the magnetic stripe on the back of the driver's license I don't have one yet yes
[speaker002:] really I didn't know that huh
[speaker001:] yes and that's another thing so they think they can plug you in for a profile see and I
[speaker002:] well now where where do they use the stripe
[speaker001:] in a a reader
[speaker002:] oh you mean like when a cop pulls you over he runs it through a reader
[speaker001:] or something right exactly
[speaker002:] well that's amazing
[speaker001:] but see what's happening though is that it's starting be integrated to going they're going to try to integrate it into the stores too
[speaker002:] really
[speaker001:] so so but the stores can't get all the information
[speaker002:] yeah well like the stores can probably develop their own databases but they can't get into the department of motor vehicles
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] I'll bet that's it
[speaker001:] but the yeah but in other words so they can verify they can go in and and get the card and get information off it but the the police reader could get more information you might say
[speaker002:] yeah because they could
[speaker001:] but I I just I don't I I don't like the idea I don't like the idea of business and information you know and in the world is coming to is is is information
[speaker002:] well then you know about caller ID
[speaker001:] oh exactly oh yeah
[speaker002:] yeah hey did you get uh did you get the number for this off of the internet
[speaker001:] yeah I did
[speaker002:] oh okay
[speaker001:] are you an internet man
[speaker002:] yeah most of the uh most of the people I talk to on here are on internet
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] yeah did you get it off of uh Telecom Digest
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] oh yeah I read that constantly
[speaker001:] so do I yeah
[speaker002:] yeah I post on there from work under Paul Cook at Proctor and Associates
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] and at home as Tad Cook
[speaker001:] I see yeah yeah I have an account at school so I'm able to do that
[speaker002:] oh yeah well I got mine from a friend of mine uh owns a Unix consulting firm and gave me a free account there a few years ago
[speaker001:] oh I see
[speaker002:] so I can just dial it up and
[speaker001:] so you have a free dial you dial in free yeah
[speaker002:] yeah it's real neat
[speaker001:] yeah what is it is it eight hundred number or you just happen to be within the boundaries
[speaker002:] oh I'm with yeah we're in actually almost exactly the same exchange I'm real near his office
[speaker001:] oh okay right yeah
[speaker002:] but it's uh it's it's pretty neat he doesn't have a full UUCP fee but I
[speaker001:] yeah yeah well if you if you're on you're on the usenet groups you might try uh alt privacy
[speaker002:] I yeah I'm on this uh moderated one a mailing list uh that's uh Telecom