[speaker002:] you want to start or should I start
[speaker001:] uh yeah you go ahead
[speaker002:] okay let's see uh I think that uh I I think that trials by jury are a good idea I just think the concept of multiple attempts uh at trial is when uh with when they're always saying oh well uh uh I want to appeal I want to appeal I want to appeal I I think multiple appeal is what our real problem is it's not the not the the twelve man jury trials uh think that that I I would not be totally adverse to the concept of of uh of uh I guess uh uh judge trials either uh I think our our we have a real big problem with litigation we we spend too much of our time litigation in our legal system and
[speaker001:] oh yeah it's it's just incredibly incredibly complex uh uh I I don't have any problem with the idea of having the jurors although it is a bit disappointing to see the attorneys manipulate the process by uh raising so many objections to jurors so that they can try and get for their client um a jury slanted one way or the other I mean you can sit there and dismiss people for for trivial reasons and and that takes up a good deal of time too um the the thing I find sort of disappointing about uh a lot of this is that
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] often a judge uh and and you hope you get one that's that's really rational and and looks at uh each case separately you'd like to be able to give them some flexibility to be able to sentence uh if it's a really awful crime to really put the person away for a long time uh or if there's a lot of intent there and it's obvious put them away on the other hand you know maybe to to change the sentencing slightly uh that you'd like be able to see them give a different kind of punishment uh not necessary community service that's getting a little bit overworked but but but rather some of other sort of of restitution rather than simply putting them away behind bars
[speaker002:] um-hum uh trial well one thing is we do not have a trial by peers anymore uh that's that that is gone gone gone out gone out the door for one thing the very first thing a lawyer attempts to do is get an ignorant jury as part of in fact as part of the process they're not supposed to know anything whatsoever about the trial
[speaker001:] oh yeah
[speaker002:] so particular so particularly for famous trials what that indicates is that the only people who are really at that jury are idiots
[speaker001:] people that have been on the moon
[speaker002:] right only ignorant people and that means low IQ generally wherein that's not that's not trial by jury now I guess that's that that's become less so I've noted that um uh the last couple times that I've had to go by jury they've actually selected intelligent jurors now I I I'm not so sure that would be true if it were a trial of uh of uh some notorious notoriety notoriety notoriety uh but in the case of the normal trials it's much much harder than it used to be to than to get out of it so they do try not to let uh excuses get you out of uh trials now
[speaker001:] oh yes my my
[speaker002:] you can delay it but you can't get out
[speaker001:] oh that's that and and that's actually pretty good my my mother recently uh uh had jury duty uh down in in Texas and uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] the the judge would not hear any excuses I mean from anybody uh he didn't care if they had doctor's appointments or anything he said you're you're here in the pool and you're going to serve but when it came time for and and it turned out it was a rape trial
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] uh and the uh uh the attorney asked my mother well uh how do you feel about this and she told him quite frankly that she thought that the punishment should be extremely severe for rapist and then
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] the guy began to ask um what does your husband do for a living well he's retired Air Force ah was he retired law enforcement Air Force they they dismissed her on the grounds that they didn't want her that her husband could have been seen as being in law enforcement even though he was a programmer in the Air Force they wanted to stay away from anybody that might even have a smidgen of law enforcement so even though she was there to do her duty to serve
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] she was dismissed on the grounds that she might possibly remotely have some prejudice and that's my mother's fairly well read she didn't actually know about this local case it was of rather small import uh but I would agree with you that that not necessarily does somebody have to be ignorant not to know but they'd have to have met
[speaker002:] um-hum