[speaker001:] I guess we're being recorded what do you have any hobbies that you like to do
[speaker002:] okay oh yeah cycling computers uh backpacking just about everything you know I generically have you know millions of hobbies
[speaker001:] oh that's all right that's a interesting assortment my husband's into cycling in fact he's out there right now before it gets dark trying to get in his miles for the the time
[speaker002:] uh-huh I am not quite that bad I'm just a weekend cyclist
[speaker001:] uh do you have any do you do any handicraft type things I think was the question
[speaker002:] handicraft type things
[speaker001:] yeah whittle
[speaker002:] yeah just whittle away my life uh no no I cannot
[speaker001:] nothing like that I I do some things I've gotten into uh oh I I like to decorate things and I do sweatshirts and tee shirts and I've gotten to where I start have started selling them at craft shows and things and then
[speaker002:] oh that's pretty good
[speaker001:] uh you know have have done fairly well at them I've had a a few of my little hobby projects have totally bombed but most of them have worked out pretty good there
[speaker002:] yeah they my only craft work is kind of like computers and you know go off to the little computer club meetings and it's kind of nice because I've made money on it too considering I I work for it a living but I you know I I got a couple of articles published and it's kind of kind of neat
[speaker001:] oh yeah what what does a computer club do I didn't know there were such things
[speaker002:] oh yeah just all over the place they just get around and and talk techy or or else uh you know like half the members are really expert and the other half are like really not
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh we kind of help out the people who are really not
[speaker001:] you don't uh you're not into into hacking or whatever
[speaker002:] oh I I think I'm I think I'm a hacker but I'm not not kind the not the uh the you know dial around randomly trying to break into computers type hackers no that's one of those sports I don't go for
[speaker001:] um-hum well that's that's kind of interesting hobby what else do you you said you did cycling what was the other thing backpacking what
[speaker002:] yeah backpacking yeah I belong to a a Boy Scout troop it beats paying United Way I just you know donate a whole bunch of my time to the Boy Scouts and have fun
[speaker001:] uh-huh well you that's we have done that uh our two older boys were in Boy Scouts and my daughter was in Girl Scouts until just about a year ago so we've uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] done a fair amount of that in our spare time also but it I that's a great thing to do you know really have you been backpacking anyplace exciting
[speaker002:] uh well just last weekend went to Davy Crockett Forest which is kind of out in east Texas
[speaker001:] oh uh-huh
[speaker002:] and we go to uh places out in uh uh let's see what's that what's that state north of us that state yeah yeah that one that one yeah yeah and
[speaker001:] oh that one okay to the the uh oh by Fort Sill there do you
[speaker002:] uh no to another fort uh a old Indian fort that's out there trying to think of the name of it darn uh yeah no sorry no memory
[speaker001:] uh-huh have have you gone like to Fillmont with the Boy Scouts
[speaker002:] no I missed out this last year I wasn't able to get the time off but maybe next year it's a good possibility
[speaker001:] I've always thought that be a real fun thing to do
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah when I was a kid uh we'd do the equivalent thing in the High Sierras and that was loads of fun
[speaker001:] um-hum does does your whole family like to do it like you you know for a vacation you'd go backpacking
[speaker002:] uh no not quite because I'm not a whole family I'm just me
[speaker001:] oh okay you just oh and and you volunteer for the Boy Scouts huh
[speaker002:] oh yeah I rent my kids
[speaker001:] uh-huh well well sometimes sometimes uh
[speaker002:] it's it's better than you know owning on them and making payments on them and you know things like that yeah
[speaker001:] sometimes I think that might not be a bad idea have uh you said you did it in the High Sierras uh do you ever you know just vacation someplace where you strictly backpack
[speaker002:] oh yeah yeah uh not recently because you know like the Boy Scouts makes it so that I go like once a month you know someplace
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] but uh there's uh some stuff some stuff that I want to do with like Sierra Club and go down the Grand Canyon or something like that so you know they they have lots of tours where they get a bunch of people together and off you go
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] which seems kind of reasonable because that means you don't have to take twenty thirteen year olds with you it seems a little just a tad more relaxing
[speaker001:] well I probably probably that's uh well my my other things that I like to do in my spare time I'm I like swimming
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] which is in now I've done that and I I also if I like something I usually try to figure out how to make money off of it