[speaker001:] unfortunately it's apparently the crime wave is not limited to cities you know it's spreading to you know our communities also and smaller
[speaker002:] right um right my I'm from originally from Palestine over in east Texas
[speaker001:] um-hum I'm originally from a little little rural town in southern Oklahoma
[speaker002:] yeah and uh the crime in in you know in east Texas is uh I I think it's just about as bad the burglaries and the drugs and stuff seem to have moved out into that area
[speaker001:] yes yes that is that's really scary it has it's done the same thing even in my little town and gosh it's only like a thousand people
[speaker002:] uh yeah but uh
[speaker001:] there's one deputy sheriff that tries to you know patrol the whole thing and he's you know he's just overwhelmed
[speaker002:] yeah right uh I guess uh it is really scary but the uh recognizing or I think recognizing that a lot of the crime in these smaller cities is really geared toward the the major cities anyway because I think that you know the people that are involved in the drug scene out in the rural areas are really out there to provide for the little you know the center cities
[speaker001:] that's right sure it's probably a safer environment for them
[speaker002:] but uh right but uh I guess the question is what do you do
[speaker001:] boy I who knows I don't know
[speaker002:] uh you know I think that uh from my own observation that that a lot of it probably stems around the school system I I don't want to blame the school system on everything because it's it's not what they're doing it's not that they're doing so much wrong as that they can't not cannot do a lot of the things that need to be done uh right well even even not just education but uh even discipline and and things like that
[speaker001:] are you talking about educationwise yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] that the schools are not allowed to do anymore that uh the students you know are just they have so much control over the schools themselves that that everything seems to turn around that
[speaker001:] that's right absolutely um-hum yeah yeah
[speaker002:] um
[speaker001:] you know as you know you watch the nightly news you know like I do and boy you know that's not a day or night that goes by in this in this area at least as somebody at least somebody doesn't get killed or raped or robbed during this
[speaker002:] um-hum  right yeah
[speaker001:] the jillion others we don't even hear about probably
[speaker002:] I do uh I travel a little bit in my in my job with I've got some clients in California and I was in California when the police out there beat you know beat up on that
[speaker001:] um-hum yes that's been a hot topic yeah
[speaker002:] traffic deal yeah it's a real yeah really was and of and of course everybody's reaction to that was you know anger and disgust and shock and all of that but then when you turn around and look at at what's going on
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] from the criminal element that that probably that does not even compare you know to what goes on crimewise
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah that's right that's right you never hear about
[speaker002:] and uh
[speaker001:] and you know some some of the crimes are so crazy you know just you know killing somebody for a five dollar bill or some stupid thing like you know you just you just never know you know it's I sometimes get concerned about you know driving down the down the street you know if you look crosswise at somebody they're liable to blow your head off
[speaker002:] yeah yeah
[speaker001:] it's really scary
[speaker002:] but uh you know I I I really don't I don't know what the answer is but I think that if we don't find an answer
[speaker001:] I don't know either
[speaker002:] soon that it's we're really going to be in a lot worse trouble than we are now
[speaker001:] yeah it's obviously not getting any better
[speaker002:] I think uh perhaps the Supreme Court has taken a couple of steps in the right direction recently uh I understand that they lightened up a little bit on some of the the restrictions on you know crime investigation and stuff so
[speaker001:] um-hum yes um-hum right um-hum and even down to the death penalty I think as far as you know appeal after appeal after appeal I think they've finally began to say you know enough's enough
[speaker002:] and you know right And say if you don't don't appeal
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[speaker002:] to start with then you don't have the right to appeal
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] and uh you know I think the
[speaker001:] yeah a lot of people favor you know mandatory jail time with no no time you know no good time off you know I don't know I don't know if that's an answer or not I'm not too sure people are really scared of jail time anymore because they're in and out so quickly
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] I'm not sure that's a real scary item for them
[speaker002:] uh and it's that's uh that's a fact you you can
[speaker001:] you know it's
[speaker002:] look forward to a just a few days in jail sometime for you know for what would seem to be a major crime in
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] with uh appeals and all that and getting time credit for spending time in jail and I think they even give credit sometimes for the the time they're out of jail between
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] between uh the time they're indicted and the time they're tried and stuff like that that still counts toward their sentence
[speaker001:] yes yeah right you know this building jails you know more jails the answer I'm not sure it is I don't know I honestly don't know I wish I did I'd be glad to share it with everybody if I knew
[speaker002:] yeah yeah That uh I guess uh the uh the number of of beds available in a jails you know we've got to have it to increase because the number of criminals are increasing but we've we really need to work on the other side you know to to
[speaker001:] yes yeah before they get to jail
[speaker002:] right but uh I don't know what
[speaker001:] yeah I agree I don't know maybe you know maybe maybe it needs to start at home you know with the parents as much as they can do you know parents can only do so much up to a point and they've lost it
[speaker002:] yeah well I think uh uh you know back to uh back to uh the the school situation the parents are the ones that that that demand all the rights for these students for the children
[speaker001:] um-hum right
[speaker002:] they they want to put so much restrictions on and and and you know then they don't take on the responsibility themselves
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] and uh so it's it kind of perpetuates itself
[speaker001:] I'll tell you the truth about both I have two children both of are are you know young adults grown and gone away from home I'm honestly glad I'm not raising children at this point and time
[speaker002:] yeah well I've I've got two that are they're still at home but they they think they're adults they're both out of you know out of high school one of them go to college
[speaker001:] yes um-hum
[speaker002:] and uh I we really were nervous about our son uh the second one
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] uh going to school and you know Richardson schools are some of the best around
[speaker001:] um-hum absolutely
[speaker002:] and even at that it's you know it was a real touchy situation as to what you know as to
[speaker001:] yeah yeah it's no guarantee
[speaker002:] who the associates were there are students in every school system
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] that uh you don't want your kids associating with if you can help it
[speaker001:] um-hum that's right if you can help it that's key you know
[speaker002:] and uh you don't you know you don't have any control over it yourself
[speaker001:] that's right yep up to a point you after that you've lost it
[speaker002:] yeah right
[speaker001:] sure have I'm just glad I'm not raising young children anymore
[speaker002:] so um-hum yeah it's uh we said you know that we'd have been a lot better off our children would have been a lot a lot better off being raised in a smaller smaller area
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] smaller town smaller school
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] or at least we thought perhaps at the time but you know
[speaker001:] um-hum I'm not so sure
[speaker002:] not so sure anymore we did have some friends that moved uh out into well out in rural Collin County
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum
[speaker002:] thinking that that would have been a you know a better place for their kids and before their kids got out of school the drug scene had moved in out there
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah that's right
[speaker002:] and you know so they you know it's not not a whole lot different there than it is
[speaker001:] no maybe just a smaller just a smaller scale maybe but then then you know the idea is still the same it's there
[speaker002:] in you know in town yeah yeah so
[speaker001:] it really is
[speaker002:] but well it's
[speaker001:] I don't know uh like I say I'm just glad I'm not trying to have to raise small children again
[speaker002:] yeah I'm glad that they're not expecting us to come up with all the answers on these phone conversations right yeah yeah they you'd think that what
[speaker001:] yeah me too in the time allotted no I don't don't think so but I don't I don't know anyone that isn't concerned about it
[speaker002:] well everybody's concerned but you know we give uh Congress and we give the state legislators the you know all these powers and authorities and everything and they they spend a lot of time on it and they can't come up with the answers so right
[speaker001:] um-hum that's right not to mention monies spent
[speaker002:] so but uh it's
[speaker001:] so I don't know wish I did
[speaker002:] yeah maybe we maybe it's uh it's time for there to be more people involved I guess in in trying to find the answer but
[speaker001:] yeah I guess so
[speaker002:] and since you know
[speaker001:] the police I'm sure are just you know maxed out there's only so much they can do
[speaker002:] yeah well they can all they can do is enforce enforce the laws they can't uh pass the laws and they can't run the the court systems and
[speaker001:] um-hum yeah
[speaker002:] you know they do their do their job I don't I don't have a lot of complaints about the police myself
[speaker001:] um-hum no I don't either as a matter of fact I think they're doing you know probably for the most part the best job they can do with resources they have it's really must be discouraging though to know that you know you bust somebody for something they may be out on the street before you finish your report you know
[speaker002:] but they're doing yeah yeah we um-hum well
[speaker001:] that's got to be discouraging especially if you've risked your life to do course you know if you're a cop you expected to risk your life
[speaker002:] that's uh my wife said the other day said she just couldn't do that couldn't be a police officer because you're you know you never know
[speaker001:] that's right
[speaker002:] what uh you know you stop by somebody for traffic accident and you walk up and they
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] they've got a gun pulled on you or you know something of that kind and
[speaker001:] yeah um-hum as I understand it talking to a couple of my police friends what they fear most is a call to go try to settle a domestic quarrel you know apparently it's very dangerous you just never know
[speaker002:] right yeah because yeah you you've got a they get a a domestic uh violence or domestic domestic dispute and they get there and both of the parties turn on them
[speaker001:] um-hum um that's right apparently it's very very dangerous situation
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] no I don't I don't think I could be a cop I really don't
[speaker002:] yeah so well you think there's anything else to talk about on this subject okay well it's been nice talking to you okay thanks bye
[speaker001:] I guess that's that's pretty well it nice to talk to you uh-huh bye-bye