[speaker001:] okay well I'll start off being controversial I'm in favor of it
[speaker002:] that doesn't necessarily mean you're controversial
[speaker001:] well it seems to be in the current situations but uh I still feel that it could be a deterrent to crime particularly with the increase of serious crime that's going on now
[speaker002:] well I think that those crimes which are punishable by the death sentence need to be reevaluated I think there are other crimes that could easily draw the death penalty and not make me feel bad at all crimes against children is one of them
[speaker001:] okay yeah I think that oh definitely any any crimes against person
[speaker002:] yeah
[speaker001:] uh I feel uh there should be more than a slap on the hand and being sent to prison and being released in uh two or three years
[speaker002:] um-hum actually I would like to see the system revert a lot back to some of the forms of punishment that exist in Middle Eastern countries if you steal you lose a hand
[speaker001:] ooh yes that's yeah
[speaker002:] you know uh if you kill you lose your life what's wrong with that
[speaker001:] I don't see a thing wrong with that I believe that uh
[speaker002:] yeah uh
[speaker001:] well it's just an an example I think there's uh someone that's on trial right now
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] here in the Dallas area and they were interviewing the it's a a young lady was killed sometime back a a young girl
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and a personal trial and the reporter was asking a sup stupid question of the people outside well how do you feel about this
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and they you know I thought that's
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] how do they feel about it I'm sure that uh they want it over with and they want the person punished and punished properly
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] but
[speaker002:] deciding what that proper punishment is is one thing I think that there should be no way I I realize that innocent people could go to uh what is it lethal injection now
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] innocent people could do that but for every innocent person who would be executed hopefully there would be ten guilty
[speaker001:] yeah well I feel like the the cost of someone someone was quoting figures made the cost at like thirty thousand dollars a year
[speaker002:] uh the um-hum um-hum um-hum to maintain a prison inmate that's right that's stupid
[speaker001:] to keep someone in prison and well the problem there is they're not keeping the right ones in prison in many cases there are more and more instances
[speaker002:] um-hum that's right
[speaker001:] being on the news where this individual was out on the streets on probation or parole and killed someone else
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum sure sure
[speaker001:] or seriously injured someone
[speaker002:] well I don't have solutions to the problems but you know you have these this would be nice if and there's probably thousands of holes in that theory but I think that if you did something for example to an individual and caused them to lose the ability to earn a living I remember a man drove by randomly shot a women in the head while she was driving blinded her
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I think then that a life sentence to restitution is appropriate I think he should spend the rest of his life working to support that individual
[speaker001:] yes yes indeed
[speaker002:] or the family of an individual
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] uh who has been harmed you're you you know people who kill policemen policemen who are killed in the line of duty they may or may not have been willfully intending to kill that policeman but that family still has no provider
[speaker001:] yeah well here again anytime anyone goes out with a gun in their hand and crime on their mind
[speaker002:] and I um-hum
[speaker001:] uh the opportunity exists for someone to get killed
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] now I'm not in favor of gun control to the n-th degree or anything because uh there are uses for guns which are non criminal
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but it seems that the criminal element are the ones that are using them uh aside from domestic disputes husband shooting wives or vice versa
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but these individuals if they have a gun with them I think that the the sentence should be even longer than if they don't
[speaker002:] I don't I don't agree with the length of the sentence though I think expediency is the answer
[speaker001:] well well but here again uh if a matter of expediency part of these costs like the people on Death Row is that their appeals can take years and years there should be some uh I know there's a law I believe that
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum that's right
[speaker001:] it's automatic appeal if it's a death sentence
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] well I think that automatic appeal ought to take place uh within a reasonable length of time say six months
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] and a decision be made and not drag out in the courts
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] for years because of misplaced commas or whatever technicalities there might be
[speaker002:] that's right technical I think that there should be a statute of limitations on appeals
[speaker001:] right there's there's got to be a there's got to be a time limit
[speaker002:] you you you can appeal it once I think if it is appealed one time and the appeal is turned down or the sentence stands then you might be allowed one more appeal if it is if if it is contradictory
[speaker001:] a a legitimate a legitimate appeal not a technicality of uh if
[speaker002:] yeah that's right uh-huh
[speaker001:] and they're not arguing that the guy or woman committed the crime they're arguing over well were his civil rights violated because uh
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] someone didn't file the proper paper at the proper time those are the things that have caused them to drag out I think
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum that's right well one of the sad things is that so many of these never actually come to trial because of of the process in which the criminals were apprehended
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I mean uh you know the guy is guilty you know he's done what he's done you you may have stood there and seen it but because he wasn't read his rights whenever he was arrested
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] you know he he goes free uh-huh uh-huh yeah
[speaker001:] he didn't see his lawyer as quickly as he should have or or some some Mickey Mouse type thing like that
[speaker002:] right and I realize that that is designed to protect the innocent it's also designed to line the pockets of lawyers and uh I
[speaker001:] oh yes
[speaker002:] I just don't think that I think we could get along a lot better in our criminal justice system if we had some statute of limitations on lawyers I hope you're not a lawyer
[speaker001:] yes no I'm not a lawyer I it's I I I'm an accountant and I agree we practice law ourselves because it's too expensive to hire lawyers to a degree
[speaker002:] yeah absolutely that's why you check books out from the library but I really believe that
[speaker001:] there you go
[speaker002:] our justice system is is the best around but it's not perfect and that doesn't mean that you leave it in tact
[speaker001:] well it's it's a case that we have a a legal system which the criminals have found a way to use and a way to benefit them rather than the public itself
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] that's how we get caught in this uh sort of a catch twenty two
[speaker002:] um-hum that's right
[speaker001:] but you have to continue uh to protect the innocent you're giving an open door to the guilty
[speaker002:] that's right and and it I don't know there just seems to be so many clever ways to avoid the real intent of the law by following the letter
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] and that just that really does ruffle my feathers at times I mean I can just get so aggravated about it
[speaker001:] yes it does most people
[speaker002:] but you know it's it's going to take smarter people than me to solve the problem and and I hope not lawyers
[speaker001:] but again one of our one of our problems is that uh our legislature and the state and our national congress the majority of the members there of are lawyers