[speaker001:] okay would you like to um begin or would you like me to start
[speaker002:] uh oh I can start I I think one of the the biggest uh
[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] improvements in women is that finally you're starting to see them get into uh management
[speaker001:] yes
[speaker002:] and you're seeing them uh get uh elected to uh political offices uh not near enough I know there's still a long way to go especially in top management
[speaker001:] hm um-hum yes I agree
[speaker002:] you're not seeing uh you know looking at TI you see them in management but you're not seeing them up there as VPs and I have a sister that's an attorney in Oklahoma City and I know the company that she was with
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] uh the women didn't have have near the positions the levels that the men attorneys had and were not uh given the same respect
[speaker001:] right I agree with that I I think you do see more and more women out there in politics too as mayors or um you know in in helping to maybe um get some legislation passed to to have women have more rights I think still
[speaker002:] yes
[speaker001:] even with that whole um thing with Judge Thomas and and um you you still felt like the woman was the one that you would maybe discredit first before the man or something the way they had it the trial and um I just think that it's it's still gonna take another generation or so before before the women
[speaker002:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] really could really feel that they're really equal in the business world or that they work just as hard or harder um
[speaker002:] right right
[speaker001:] but it's still um going from hm from homemakers into um corporate leaders is still a big step
[speaker002:] right I also think that uh uh women as homemakers are beginning to get more respect than they used to be it used to be people would say do you work and you'd say no I work in the home and it was it was then it was almost like a put down particularly particularly even by women in the work force
[speaker001:] right
[speaker002:] but I think now I think people are realizing that the roles women play in the home are very very important and it's getting the respect and which is about time
[speaker001:] yes  I think it's true I think also people are having children at a older age so maybe like um you know you go through college and then you maybe work for a few years and then you have your first child
[speaker002:] yes very definitely
[speaker001:] and um you know you you know both sides of the coin
[speaker002:] that's right
[speaker001:] you know what it's like and how much work it takes to keep the house running smoothly and to take care of the kids and and then uh maybe people that are just working and think oh you just stay at home but then when they're in their thirties and have their first and second kid it's like they lose it they say wow this is harder than I thought well hm you know
[speaker002:] right yes and and and to those that have never worked worked and had you know and have stayed home with the kids kind of does your heart good because I know I stayed home with mine and didn't start working until mine were in high school and uh
[speaker001:] I know it I know um-hum
[speaker002:] so you know it it kind of does me good I think also one of the things that that's really tremendous and it doesn't necessarily have to do with women but the fact that the fathers are so involved with families which again I think helps the woman's role
[speaker001:] are so involved yes right right their role has to change to kind of accommodate us too I know I have three children and my oldest is eleven and I've pretty much been home um since Brian was born
[speaker002:] you know I um-hum um-hum
[speaker001:] and um just recently I went back to work um last school semester to tutor um high school age students with learning disabilities and I was just out of the house two days a week
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] but I thought wow this is really hard only and it was only two days and I was home before three but getting the baby to day care getting the kids off to school I still did everything I always do you know my husband still got up and went to work but um
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] it it only those two it made a big difference I thought wow a full time I don't think I could swing that
[speaker002:] well I had to course I work full time but my daughter and her husband were out of town
[speaker001:] personally
[speaker002:] so I had my grandchildren for four days during uh football soccer season
[speaker001:] oh oh boy
[speaker002:] and so I would work and her friends some friends would take care of the kids but I would have to get them picked up from there get them fed get them to practices get homework done get baths I was absolutely exhausted and
[speaker001:] picked up dinner right I bet I bet
[speaker002:] and these women that are waiting until they're in their late thirties or early forties to have their first children children I think are absolutely crazy
[speaker001:] well I I know a lot of people I know I had my first child when I was twenty five and that's not considered really young these days that's almost you know but um I have friends that that
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] have kids just starting kindergarten and they're they're forty years old and and then like maybe a two year old at home and I think boy I I'm I'm in my thirties