[speaker001:] okay
[speaker002:] so what is your opinion on on drug testing
[speaker001:] well I can see it in certain cases where it might be uh somebody's in a position that uh perhaps a lot of lives are involved like maybe um pilots that um uh you you know fly jets and uh maybe people that have a lot of responsibility over a large mass of people I could certainly see it being done but in general um you know whether companies wanna do this and I know that companies do like factory workers that have lots of accidents are now being drug tested I know a couple of corporations that are doing that um so you know they kind of have gotten into the idea that let's drug test them and let's put them through rehab but there's got to be like a limitation do we drug test everybody that comes in or do we kind of say well you can be drug tested and you look okay because you look this way you're you're very conservative and and there's just no way that we would think that you would use drugs but the guy that doesn't fit the stereotype of uh the conservative or whatever could be drug tested and uh you know whether legal rights and of that person I don't know there's certainly a lot of things to really consider uh when you get into drug testing people just at the work place unless of course like I said they have a large responsibility over a mass of people uh that's about it
[speaker002:] well yeah you're it it's not just a company's you're talking about company's liability if if if uh if the company is liable for something that that a employee does while under the influence of
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] of a drug you know then by all means they should have the right to to to
[speaker001:] sure sure and I think that's what companies are doing uh more and more because there are products that are out there
[speaker002:] to to minimize their liability and there's also the case about just uh um health health and welfare of the um employees
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] if a company has a healthy work force their insurance rates are low and not only are not only they low there's all sorts of a of a benefits
[speaker001:] exactly sure sure
[speaker002:] uh financial benefits associated with having you know having people file fewer claims being sick
[speaker001:] sure exactly the only thing is
[speaker002:] uh then there's there's there's the whole question that that a that a work force that is known not to be on drugs is gonna be more healthy I don't think anybody would argue with that
[speaker001:] exactly exactly the only thing is uh the one issue that I would take stands with is the fact that the drug testing itself can be done on a person that is actually not on drugs and come out positive
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] if they have had like uh medications in the past let's say once a month or twice a month or three times a month or maybe um that week they take an Advil and the Advil will apparently come out positive as if they smoked marijuana
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] um and there's poppy seed type things I think everybody's aware of that but um where's the line where you where you say to somebody I'm gonna drug test you tomorrow so please do not take these medications or where's
[speaker002:] well well the question
[speaker001:] you know how can you how can you do it
[speaker002:] right the question becomes what do you do about somebody who testses who test positive
[speaker001:] exactly
[speaker002:] that's that's where the real sticking point comes in it's not I don't think there's any problem with testing people it's what do you do with the information
[speaker001:] um-hum sure sure exactly and and the the only thing that I would say on that is it could blacklist an employee later on let's say um you've taken medication of some sort even though they usually have you at the time list what medications you've taken uh let's say you do come out positive and you've taken Advil or any of the Ibuprofen products out there or you've had a cold and you've been on medication or whatever you come out positive is it then the chance that the employer will look at you in more of a negative fashion and say well you know this is kind of iffy you know are they really on drugs or are they on thrugs you know what I'm saying where there might be in the back of the mind of the employer that this person
[speaker002:] right
[speaker001:] uh is on drugs or make up they may make up their mind that let's get rid of this employee you know what I'm saying
[speaker002:] right well yeah I think clearly the person who is the line operator line manager of the employee should not be privy to the information of drug testing that should go to an entirely different
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] um agency within the corporation um
[speaker001:] exactly and it's a they can that uh if it does come out positive the first time they need to go back and find out what medications did that person take you know what I mean it it's kind of like uh I think most people are aware at least now common knowledge is that