[speaker001:] hi uh so we're supposed to talk about computers
[speaker002:] that's it
[speaker001:] and you own and you own one
[speaker002:] sure I do don't you
[speaker001:] course
[speaker002:] uh okay uh I've got a PC
[speaker001:] all right
[speaker002:] do you have a Mac
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] okay
[speaker001:] so do you do you happen to work for some uh computer company up there in
[speaker002:] no uh actually well yeah I do I I work for Lockheed and uh
[speaker001:] yeah that's why you have a computer at home
[speaker002:] no actually I it's like I I have a computer I school when I went to grad school I uh I realized that having a computer would be like that it was going to make my life a lot easier
[speaker001:] uh-huh does it make a lot easier
[speaker002:] so sure did uh I mean I you you I don't think I don't know anybody that can get through school without a computer at this point in time
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] especially like um it well just for like producing for like for producing papers and things like that um it it was you know it it was like indispensable nobody nobody on the typewriter anymore yeah it's a sort of thing where with the kind of support you can get from software to for for writing things like that uh I writing using a using using a typewriter was sort of like you know uh lighting a fire by like rubbing two sticks together you know instead of using your Bic lighter
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] yeah why'd you choose uh have you always had a Mac or why'd you choose a Mac
[speaker001:] well actually uh I just go with the times and and actually and to human factors and I uh I you know I was into when I was in college I had a Commodore sixty four went to college
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] uh oh at at work they had IBM PCs and compatibles and I worked for them for with them for a year few years but I didn't have a need to have have one at home because of as a poor graduate student I didn't have money and also because uh there're plenty of them around at work but then came the Macintosh
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and it they came out with the Mac 2 which is a whole lot more useful than any other Macintosh that that had come out and they also came out with Hypercard
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] and I needed to use that for my dissertation work
[speaker002:] oh really you did your dissertation with Hypercard
[speaker001:] yeah so I didn't I had to uh use uh I didn't have access to computers at work very easily everyone was wanting to use it so I bought my own and that's where I started and I bought subsequently after that uh well uh replacement ones
[speaker002:] you're going to tell me you have a Quadra right now right
[speaker001:] yeah oh no no no no I've had this SE thirty for for number of years now couple years at least
[speaker002:] uh-huh
[speaker001:] three years almost now uh
[speaker002:] I it you know it's like when when I when I decided to like buy a buy a computer
[speaker001:] so
[speaker002:] I one of the things that like that I I came down to is is that I I chose my computer on basis of uh of I I don't know I guess at work we would call it like you know MIPS per dollar or something like that
[speaker001:] uh-huh
[speaker002:] and it turned I I did a careful analysis I went for my MBA  anyway I did a careful analysis of of like of of the of what I could get for how much I was going to spend and it's like it turned out that that that Macs were almost twice as expensive like per feature than PCs were
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] and that was like why that was why I chose I I ended up chose chose even though it's like I evaluated Macs as being the superior uh qualitatively better in terms of like you know uh what what they could do and like ease of use and things like that
[speaker001:] um-hum
[speaker002:] when I started like uh investigating the cost of software that's when I decided that a PC was like really was more cost effective even though it was the inferior product
[speaker001:] um-hum um-hum
[speaker002:] uh
[speaker001:] well as you know getting we're getting away from that but that's why you have one at home because it was cost effective and you got your work done basically um
[speaker002:] um-hum
[speaker001:] it helped me get my work done because uh it's you know I'm I'm into human computer interaction and human and computer interfaces it was one of the better ones and so
[speaker002:] um-hum yeah no I I I I agree it it is it is it is is superior in that in that case
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] but I you know one of the things that I I I think about in terms of of of like of computers is um it it I think that I don't know it