[speaker001:] to uh trial by jury and whether it works or not is
[speaker002:] hey I like the current system
[speaker001:] yeah I expect it's um about as good as one can expect um I suppose you get an illogical verdict now and then but uh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah I figure the answer to that is to educate the consumers or the uh
[speaker001:] the the jurors you mean the people
[speaker002:] right just
[speaker001:] yeah I just got called to my first jury duty uh-huh I never been on a jury how about you
[speaker002:] hey two weeks ago first time I was ever called
[speaker001:] and were you did you did you show up and do it or whatever it was
[speaker002:] oh yeah I showed up but uh the case settled before they could uh make us uh actually listen to anything so I have no idea what the case was about or uh you know I didn't get to do anything
[speaker001:] my brother was on some real complex business case where they were um decide to asked to decide the exact amount to the penny of fraud in some credit card case you know
[speaker002:] wait so the jury had to like go over ledgers and financial records and
[speaker001:] well they went over it in the trial but they didn't give the stuff to the jury afterward it was really bizarre uh
[speaker002:] wait a second don't don't they have to enter that in as evidence and can't the jury request any piece of it
[speaker001:] yeah but they have to ask for it and then the the bailiff brings it and they can look at it then the bailiff takes it away again it's not like they can just spread it out in their jury room and then you know get out a bunch of calculators and pocket computers and add it all up it was
[speaker002:] right the the jurors request an IBM three seventy
[speaker001:] yeah right would you give me an IDMS IDMS system or something like that dear judge you know it was it was a very peculiar case I guess that one was didn't work very well um uh but
[speaker002:] whoa that I'm not sure that's the jury's fault
[speaker001:] no no I don't think so either um
[speaker002:] but I don't know what else they could've done
[speaker001:] yeah yeah um I guess I guess nothing else but uh
[speaker002:] TI suggests just giving it to the judge but uh
[speaker001:] well for sentencing I don't know does that make any sense I mean it depends on what I I don't know what the offense is I guess that's why we have juries is to take each case on a case by case basis and that's fine anyway um
[speaker002:] no I mean the jury there's problems with it as far as finding jurors as far as weird verdicts as far as just the timing the timing you know it takes a lot of time but uh you know I like it because I think you don't have the abuse or it's a sort of a check if you have one guy doing something he can sort of go out of control and it's a long time before he gets reigned in
[speaker001:] yeah or if it's an organizational problem you know where where you know the
[speaker002:] and he can do a lot of damage
[speaker001:] you know it's possible to imagine a corrupt judicial system where you know all the judges are are part of the system I guess that happened in Chicago once huh
[speaker002:] yeah yeah or just even one guy just before you get a chance to uh you know to uh purge him he could do a lot of damage
[speaker001:] yeah yeah I guess they do anyway I guess the only trouble with the jury system I see is it's really darned darned expensive and and you know time consuming and you know and and all these systems of where you can like ask a jury ask each juror what they think about something then kick them out and you know I guess they can manipulate it a little
[speaker002:] you know maybe some of the uh like the hype needs to be cut out but you mention expense
[speaker001:] yeah
[speaker002:] I think you get what you pay for
[speaker001:] yeah it's true no lie
[speaker002:] you know if you want a cheap legal system you're you're gonna get that kind of Kmart service or uh well Kmart's not all that bad there's got to be some sort of cheap what's the epitome of cheap these days
[speaker001:] beats me um yeah in in Massachusetts it's the judicial system their buildings are all falling down well I guess that gets them the sample good night sir
[speaker002:] all right good luck
[speaker001:] take it easy