[speaker001:] Before or after? Is it after cos I'll a
[speaker002:] Er it doesn't matter it doesn't matter. No it doesn't matter.
[speaker001:] I'm I'm actually I have to go back to a house. Wee boys are with the scouts so I'll visit them in the week. Erm Oh no no.
[Bill:] through this quite quick?
[speaker001:] No not too quickly. Erm I wasn't to see the
[speaker002:] Coronation Street finishes at half past twenty five past. So it's just about the right time
[speaker001:] Aha. Right. How's the House sitting alright eh? Oh better let her get away to Coronation Street. Okay. Now do you ever buy stamps though to give to other people?
[Bill:] To give to other people? No.
[speaker001:] Mhm. No. So you're not a giver.
[Bill:] Mm.
[speaker001:] And I think it's safe to say you're working.
[Bill:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] Full time.
[Bill:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] And you are a doctor. And... let me see if it's in this list. Mm
[Bill:] A what?
[speaker001:] Doctor. Yeah.... Er [reading] Do you have a stamp collection now or have you ever collected stamps? [] Yes you have. Er [reading] How old were you when you started collecting stamps? []
[Bill:] Oh well eight
[speaker001:] Down memory lane.
[Bill:] Eight.
[speaker001:] Eight.... [reading] Why did you first start collecting stamps? [] What made you begin your collection?
[Bill:] Because I liked the look of them. That's it.
[speaker001:] Right.
[Bill:] I liked the look of them....
[speaker001:] Any other reason for
[Bill:] No?
[speaker001:] No.
[Bill:] No.
[speaker001:] Right. Could you have a look at this little card, the first of many I have to say. Still thinking of when you first started collecting, which of these types of stamps and other items were in your stamp collection?
[Bill:] Er eight.
[speaker001:] Or are in your stamp collection.
[Bill:] Eight.
[speaker001:] Number eight, aha. Would you like to read it out? Er would you like to read out what
[Bill:] number ten.
[speaker001:] number eight says?
[Bill:] The very first time was
[speaker001:] Aha.
[Bill:] A column of commonwealth stamps.
[speaker001:] Right. Which is number eight fine. Any others?
[Bill:] My first collection
[speaker001:] Mhm. First started collecting which of these types of stamps were you interested in. Now they don't tell me what to say? Er do these stamps and other items form part of a current collection that you still have today?
[Bill:] Yes.
[speaker001:] Right.... [reading] Since you first started collecting stamps, has there been any definite period when you lost interest in stamp collecting
[Bill:] Yes.
[speaker001:] That then came back to you []
[Bill:] Mm.
[speaker001:] [reading] Why did you decide to take up stamp collecting again? []
[Bill:] For relaxation.
[speaker001:] Mhm.... Any other reasons that brought you back to your hobby?
[Bill:] No. No.
[speaker001:] Er can I check again whether you have a collection now which you have bought stamps for or items for during the past twelve months?
[Bill:] Yes.
[speaker001:] [reading] What are your main reasons for keeping a stamp collection these days? [] A main reason.
[Bill:] Main reason.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Bill:] Er for recreation, relaxation.
[speaker001:] ....
[Bill:] Of course there's no wonder. [LAUGHTER]...
[speaker001:] [reading] Are there any other reasons occurs to you which explain why you keep them? []... I mean there doesn't have top be and
[Bill:] the other would be, something to do.
[speaker001:] Something to do.
[Bill:] A hobby.
[speaker001:] Right. [reading] Do you think your collection will increase in value by more than the rate of inflation in the foreseeable future? []
[Bill:] Er
[speaker001:] Good question.
[Bill:] Mm.... Oh gee whiz. Er... yeah, I think it probably will.
[speaker001:] Okay. [reading] Different collectors collect stamps for different reason reasons, do you do any of these statements give you a good description of why... why you collect? []
[Bill:] Two.
[speaker001:] Aha.
[Bill:] [reading] I occasionally buy an item to add to my own stamp collection but I'm not committed to keeping it complete. []
[speaker001:] Do you think you're going to be heard?
[Bill:] Yes.
[speaker001:] Oh is it quite sensitive is it?
[Bill:] Very.
[speaker001:] Right.
[Bill:] .
[speaker001:] You see, sometimes you turn these over, it puts ideas into your head, you see you're not supposed to see the next card.
[Bill:] Oh I see. Aye right. Right.
[speaker001:] The idea of that er... Adult photographs. [reading] Please now think about the sort of stamps and other philatelic products you collect yourself. This photo shows examples of ten sorts of British and foreign stamps and related products. Which do you collect these days? []... Oh this is to do.
[Bill:] It is.
[speaker001:] Right. Oh no [LAUGHTER] this thing here.. Right. What do you collect these days?
[Bill:] One.
[speaker001:] Right.
[Bill:] Number one, British definitives.
[speaker001:] Right.
[Bill:] And number six, foreign definitives.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Bill:] That's it.
[speaker001:] right.... [reading] And how committed are you to British definitive stamps? Do you collect a wide range of them, some of them, or just a few of them? []
[Bill:] Er I'd say a wide range.
[speaker001:] Okay. And [reading] What types of British definitive stamps do you collect these days? Er the current issues in mint condition, current issues in used condition or back issues? []
[Bill:] Current used....
[speaker001:] And from the cards, Er can you tell me roughly how much you have spent on British definitives in the last year if anything? And it's which of the expenditure bands would you be in? Not the amount, just the number along side there....
[Bill:] Number four.
[speaker001:] zero, four. Right. Now fo form definitive stamps. How committed are you to form definitives? Do you collect a wide range of them, some of them or just a few of them?
[Bill:] Few.
[speaker001:] And the types of i current issues in mint condition, current issues in used condition
[Bill:] Current used.
[speaker001:] Right and again, [reading] How much would you spend on them in a year? []...
[Bill:] Probably five.
[speaker001:] Five.
[Bill:] Right, [reading] Some people collect stamps from a particular part of the sheet from which the stamps are taken. Do you collect stamps in this way? []
[speaker001:] Yes. Er they're talking about things I hadn't heard of. Gutter pairs, blocks, cylinder blocks, traffic lights,
[Bill:] Yes block, blocks.
[speaker001:] O sheets.
[Bill:] Mm. No. No. I collect anything. I don't restrict myself at all.
[speaker001:] [reading] Which if any of the types of stamp books and other stamps [] Sorry [reading] other stamp related products listed, do you collect yourself nowadays? []...
[Bill:] Oh.... None of those.
[speaker001:] None at all?
[Bill:] None of those.
[speaker001:] Right.... [reading] Apart from the stamps and products you collect, do you ever buy any of the publications and other things to do with stamp collecting on card seven? []
[Bill:] Mhm. Yeah.
[speaker001:] Right which?
[Bill:] Erm twelve first then
[speaker001:] You'd want
[Bill:] about
[speaker001:] No no it's which of er
[Bill:] Which ones
[speaker001:] Aha.
[Bill:] The magazines.
[speaker001:] Which do you buy? Aha. Magazines.
[Bill:] Number one, A one.
[speaker001:] Right number one....
[Bill:] that's it
[speaker001:] Right thank you.
[Bill:] C... five.
[speaker001:] Stamp albums.
[Bill:] Aha. And D seven.
[speaker001:] Right now okay. And again, from the card,
[Bill:] This one?
[speaker001:] Er aha. In a year, how much have you spent on philatelic magazines?
[Bill:] On magazines
[speaker001:] Aha well
[Bill:] Probably times a year about six pounds.
[speaker001:] What band is that?
[Bill:] That's er two.
[speaker001:] And on tweezer, magnifying glasses, accessories and stamp albums.
[Bill:] Yes it says it's on stamp albums.
[speaker001:] The total?
[Bill:] The total er four.
[speaker001:] Right. [reading] Do you collect stamps which follow particular themes or areas, or do you collect all sorts of subjects? []
[Bill:] All sorts of subjects.
[speaker001:] Okay. [reading] Which of the statements on card nine, best describe how you organize you s own stamp collection? []...
[Bill:] Number two.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[Bill:] ...
[speaker001:] Can you remind me whether you ever buy stamps or any other stamp related products to give to another collector as a gift did you say?
[Bill:] No.
[speaker001:] Right.... That's very good. That saves some questions.... [reading] I'd now like to talk about places where stamps can be bought, whether for your own collection or to give as gifts. Firstly have you heard of the British Philatelic Bureau? []
[Bill:] Yes....
[speaker001:] [reading] Please now think of the different places you have bought any stamps and related products, either for your own collection or as gifts for collectors. Firstly, which of the sources on card fourteen, erm have you ever used to but such stamps and products? [] at any time ever?
[Bill:] Er. Post Office.... Main counter and at the philatelic counter as well.
[speaker001:] Right.... Any place else?
[Bill:] Er single purchases in the B P B in Edinburgh.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Bill:] Number eight.
[speaker001:] Right.
[Bill:] Purchased at particular shops.... Other associates, oh yes. Oxfam....
[speaker001:] Right. [reading] And which have you used during the last year? []
[Bill:] Er... The main counter,
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Bill:] the dealer number eight,
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Bill:] and Oxfam.
[speaker001:] Right. [reading] On the card, how often have you used or received items from the main counter during the last year, choosing from fifteen? []...
[Bill:] Less often.
[speaker001:] Right. [reading] And at the main counter, er of the total amount you've spent in the last year, both on your own stamp collection and on gifts to other collectors, [] which you don't do, [reading] how much have you spent at the main counter? [] Er
[Bill:] Between Do I have to use this again?
[speaker001:] Er No it's not. It's... [reading] Of the total amount you've spent in the last year, both on your own, how much have you spent at the main []... It doesn't ask you how much you spent anywhere.... Mm. Don't quite understand that.
[Bill:] Don't understand at all.
[speaker001:] No. No the answer to the question is almost er... all or most of the total, about half, or less than half the total.
[Bill:] A half of which total?
[speaker001:] I don't know. Exactly. And I didn't have any bother with this the other night. Maybe it's me who's who's. Oh the total amount you have spent in the last year. They must mean, on stamps....
[Bill:] Right.
[speaker001:] How much of the total amount that you have spent, was spent at the main counter? Was it almost er All or or most of the total amount you spent in the last year, about half or less than half the total? That's the meaning, it's what you spent on stamps in the last year.
[Bill:] Er a what the total
[speaker001:] Aha. How much of the total was spent at the main counter.
[Bill:] How much spent at the main counter?
[speaker001:] Aha.
[Bill:] Er
[speaker001:] All or most of the total, or the half of less than half the total amount you spent?...
[Bill:] About... about one twenty.
[speaker001:] No, what what the meaning of If you can think of how much you spent,
[Bill:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] what proportion of what you've spent Aha. Has been spent
[Bill:] Oh what proportion of that? Erm
[speaker001:] at the main counter. All or most of the total, about half or less than half the to
[Bill:] Less.
[speaker001:] Less than half.
[Bill:] Less than half.
[speaker001:] Right. Er
[Bill:] sorry I'm
[speaker001:] No it's okay No it's
[Bill:] confused it's
[speaker001:] Aye. Erm... and at the B P B in Edinburgh on single purchases. How much?
[Bill:] Again, less, the same proportion.
[speaker001:] Less than half?
[Bill:] Less than half. Yes.
[speaker001:] Sorry I should also have asked er from from the card. Er about philatelic collections and counter. Er how often have you used that in the last year? You don't use that now?
[Bill:] don't use it. B P B
[speaker001:] Purchases at a shop now. Er how much of the money you've spent, what proportion, all, most of the total, about half or less than half the total have you spent at a shop.
[Bill:] About about half.
[speaker001:] Right. And at Oxfam?
[Bill:] Oxfam.
[speaker001:] The amount?
[Bill:] Only about half again. Yeah
[speaker001:] Er... [reading] If you could think about your experience of buying stamps of buying stamps and other items, to collect from the main counter of your Post Office. Using card sixteen, how much difficulty if any do you have in finding the items you want to buy from the main Post Office? []
[Bill:] Mm. Never have any problem.
[speaker001:] Never?
[Bill:] Never. No.
[speaker001:] And at the philatelic counter? Have you ever had any problems?
[Bill:] No.
[speaker001:] Never?
[Bill:] Not had any problems.
[speaker001:] And single purchases from the B P B.
[Bill:] No no problem really. It was quite straight forward.
[speaker001:] Okay. And eighteen. tape sorry..... Right, [reading] During the past twelve months, have you ever bought any first day covers for new British issues either for yourself or other collectors? []
[Bill:] No....
[speaker001:] Now I'd like to discuss stamps more generally.
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] [reading] The Royal Mail produces about nine British special stamp issues a year. Do you think that this is too many special issues, too few []
[Bill:] Yes.
[speaker001:] [reading] or about the right number? []
[Bill:] too many.
[speaker001:] And why do you think there are too many?...
[Bill:] Er
[speaker001:] What are your reasons for saying there are too many?...
[Bill:] Probably because the value of the stamps will not hold as you know, time goes on. A lot of the special issues
[speaker001:] Devalues stamps.
[Bill:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You've obviously been told that before hen they've got at you. Erm... [reading] Thinking now of all the different British philatelic and stamp related products that are currently on offer, how would you normally get to hear about them? []...
[Bill:] Er... How would I get to hear about them?
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Bill:] I tend to get to hear about them from seeing the Post Office.
[speaker001:] Right.... Mm Post Office. Post Office counter. Right, there's a list of all the other ways, in which you can get to hear of them. Er any of these get to hear,
[Bill:] Magazines.
[speaker001:] Aha.
[Bill:] Post Offices.
[speaker001:] Right....
[Bill:] That's it.
[speaker001:] Right. Okay.
[Bill:] .
[speaker001:] There was er she said, Blue Peter, and they should have put it in because they've got it in for the kids. [LAUGHTER] It's true, Blue Peter are always telling you there's a new issue coming out. Er
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] E [reading] here have you seen or heard any advertising for British special stamp issues? []
[Bill:] In in philatelic magazines. Er special advertising?
[speaker001:] No it isn't no no It's not special but it's just [reading] Where have you see or heard any advertising for British special stamp issues? []...
[Bill:] There... there was some on television.
[speaker001:] Right.
[Bill:] And the stamp magazines and at the Post Office itself.
[speaker001:] Right. And [reading] Have you seen or heard British special stamp issues, being advertised through any other sources shown on this card? []
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER]... That's have we covered number eight? Posters in Post Offices?
[speaker001:] Number eight? Aha well that's I put that down already
[Bill:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] for a a spontaneous answer to that. Any others?
[Bill:] No.
[speaker001:] No. Now [reading] Would you say that seeing the T V adverts for special issues has made you a lot more likely to buy them, []
[Bill:] No.
[speaker001:] [reading] made you a little more likely to buy or []
[Bill:] No.
[speaker001:] [reading] made no difference? []
[Bill:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] Right. And [reading] Have you seen or heard other articles or features about British special issues in any of the sources shown? [] Sorry wrong card.
[Bill:] No. [LAUGHTER] None there.
[speaker001:] Aha....
[Bill:] Oh Blue Peter's on this.
[speaker001:] Oh so it is. And have you seen anything
[Bill:] I don't see Blue Peter
[speaker001:] Alright so you tend to be at work. Aha. I used to enjoy it when Alistair was a wee boy but you grow out of it
[Bill:] That's right.
[speaker001:] you get away from it.
[Bill:] .
[speaker001:] Aha.
[Bill:] Erm... Well not really no.
[speaker001:] No. Right. That's fine. Okay.
[Bill:] Not those.
[speaker001:] [reading] Have you seen any special stamp issues produced by other countries? []
[Bill:] Yes.
[speaker001:] [reading] How do you think the British special stamp er program compares to that of other similar programs from other countries? Is it better, worse or about the same? []...
[Bill:] I think it's slightly better quality. Better.
[speaker001:] British is better.... On this card. [reading] What is the main way in which British special issue stamps are better? []
[Bill:] The designs are better.
[speaker001:] Right.
[Bill:] Well which which there would
[speaker001:] It's design that's number three.
[Bill:] The designs are generally better, right. [reading] In what other ways are they better? []
[speaker001:] Number nine.
[Bill:] Better quality printing.
[speaker001:] The quality.
[Bill:] Right. Is that it?
[speaker001:] That's.
[Bill:] Fine.... [reading] Which of these magazines if any, connected to stamp collecting and philately in general, do you know of? []
[speaker001:] Do I know if?
[Bill:] Yes know of.
[speaker001:] Well two three four.
[Bill:] Right. And [reading] Which magazines do you ever read? []
[speaker001:] Three.
[Bill:] And [reading] Do you read all all or most issues of Stamp Magazine? []
[speaker001:] No.
[Bill:] Right.... No code for. [reading] Have you ever of heard of the Stamp Bug Club? []
[speaker001:] No.
[Bill:] [reading] This is a young collectors club run by Royal Mail. []
[speaker001:] Mm..
[Bill:] Er [reading] If you're a member you get a pack of information, an annual special issue calendar and albums. Every two months you also receive Stamp Bug News, a topical magazine for club members. It costs three pounds to join for two years, or five pounds to join for five years. Does the idea of joining the Stamp Bug Club, interest you a lot, interest you a little or not really interest you at all? []
[speaker001:] Not at all.
[Bill:] Not at all.
[speaker001:] [reading] Why are you not interested? []...
[Bill:] I'm not interested because it doesn't fit doesn't cover the type of collecting I do....
[speaker001:] Okay.
[Bill:] .
[speaker001:] Afraid not.
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Er [reading] Do you belong to any other clubs or British associations to do with stamp collecting? []
[Bill:] No. Not now.
[speaker001:] Right. [reading] Which of the other items on this list if any, have you collected in the last year? []
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER]... Nine,
[speaker001:] Aha....
[Bill:] Thirteen,
[speaker001:] Aha.... That it?... Just the last year.
[Bill:] Old when they say old antiquarian books
[speaker001:] And maps.
[Bill:] quite what they mean by old antiquarian?
[speaker001:] I don't know.... No idea.
[Bill:] .
[speaker001:] Okay. Back to card [reading] Using card, tell me how you have spent in total during the last twelve months on your collection of models, toys, cars, trains, boats etcetera. [] Again it's just a band....
[Bill:] Zero zero.
[speaker001:] Right. And old phonographic records?...
[Bill:] Two.
[speaker001:] Right. So you've got something in common with Gordon after all. He collects records.
[Bill:] Well I don't actively collect them, I just have them around.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] He must have a c a collection of thousands thousands of records.
[Bill:] Mm.
[speaker001:] To me it's a very boring hobby because you can't listen to them, what can you do with them? Thousands and thousands of records.
[Bill:] stamps.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I mean w with stamps at least you can look at them and you know go over them and and aye but [reading] I'm now going to read out a number of interests. For each one I'd like you to tell me how interested you are in it by choosing an answer from card twenty four. Collecting stamps? [] How
[Bill:] Fairly interested.
[speaker001:] Okay. Home computing?
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER] Not interested.
[speaker001:] Not at all. Fashion and clothes?
[Bill:] Not [LAUGHTER] interested [].
[speaker001:] Watching sport?
[Bill:] Not interested.
[speaker001:] Participating in sport?
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Bill:] Not interested.
[speaker001:] Not not at all. Photography?
[Bill:] Vaguely interested.
[speaker001:] Books?
[Bill:] Very interested..
[speaker001:] Oh good good good. Erm card or board games?
[Bill:] No.
[speaker001:] Crosswords or crossword pu Puzzles or crosswords?
[Bill:] No.
[speaker001:] Not at all. Wines?
[Bill:] Mm er mm. Not very.
[speaker001:] Not very. Cookery?
[Bill:] Very interested.
[speaker001:] Do it yourself?
[Bill:] Fairly interested.
[speaker001:] And gardening. [LAUGHTER]
[Bill:] You need the truth don't know
[speaker001:] Och yes.
[Bill:] Not very.
[speaker001:] Not very.
[Bill:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Not when you you've got It's different when you have the time though. It's a a dif different thing altogether when you've got time to do that really. Then you can do it when you like.
[Bill:] Mm.
[speaker001:] When you're working and you're busy and you've got to do it I mean like this last week because of playing golf mainly, and putting weedkiller down, the grass is this high and
[Bill:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] just haven't the time to do it. And when I have the time it's been wet.
[Bill:] You must have noticed our grass at the front on your way in then. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] I didn't notice No I didn't. No honestly I didn't.
[Bill:] It's a nice green colour.
[speaker001:] Yes well there you go. [LAUGHTER]
[Bill:] A nice green colour just about four inches long. more in places.
[speaker001:] Aye well mine must be. Er [reading] Have you passed on your interest in stamps to children or grandchildren? []
[Bill:] No. Oh
[speaker001:] Oh. Or encouraged
[Bill:] No.
[speaker001:] any other children to start a stamp collection?...
[Bill:] Not not not children.
[speaker001:] There's a medical condition that I have, I can't see dust either.
[speaker002:] Oh what a relief there's somebody like me.
[speaker001:] Er
[Bill:] Partial-sightedness
[speaker001:] You haven't passed it on to any children at all?
[Bill:] Not not to children but to several adults.
[speaker001:] But it's no children.
[Bill:] No children no.
[speaker001:] Er [reading] In which ways do you think Royal Mail could encourage more children to get involved in stamp collecting? []... No prompting please.
[speaker002:] [whispering] Do you like milk? []
[speaker001:] No thanks Jean, just as it comes. You can speak you know.
[Bill:] Yes you can join in the conversation.
[speaker001:] Course you can.
[Bill:] Yeah. They won't they won't hear.
[speaker002:] They will hear.
[Bill:] They won't
[speaker001:] Are you suggesting that Jean has nothing interesting to say?
[Bill:] No I'm the tape recorder the tape recorder won't hear a thing she says.
[speaker001:] Oh right.
[Bill:] Even if she does shout at me.
[speaker002:] the tape recorder might discover new words.
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Oh I very much doubt that Jean.
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Okay, how do you think the Royal Mail could encourage mor children to get involved?
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] Thank you Jean....
[speaker002:] He can's think of any way that doesn't involve
[Bill:] I honestly can't think of er any way that they could do that.
[speaker001:] Right.
[Bill:] It's it's a thing
[speaker001:] or not Usually they get a teacher at school, that's what gets them started.
[Bill:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [reading] If you could please now think of all the products available to stamp collectors. Which of these items do you think have been produced by Royal Mail mainly for collectors collectors rather than for the public at large? []...
[Bill:] One
[speaker001:] The.
[Bill:] Mm. four, five,
[speaker001:] Presentation packs, first day covers, Yearly prestige stamp books.
[Bill:] Year book.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Bill:] All the issues.
[speaker001:] [reading] Can you think of any other products or services connected with stamp collecting, which you feel should be introduced by Royal Mail? []... Margaret did a good piece of work today.
[speaker002:] What did she do?
[speaker001:] Went to the Clydesdale Bank, took two brollies
[speaker002:] Did they phone to say
[speaker001:] Two lots of and
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] two
[speaker002:] They've they left a message.
[speaker001:] Aha and two.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] So that was very very good.
[speaker002:] Yes the had all
[Bill:] No.
[speaker002:] these things there.
[speaker001:] That's alright.
[speaker002:] somebody to pick them up.
[speaker001:] [reading] I'd now like your help more directly. Can you fill in this page yourself. [] It's nothing fancy You just put a wee circle around the answer you want to give to each statement.
[speaker002:] Oh good.
[speaker001:] Yes.
[speaker002:] Well you can
[speaker001:] I've got a wee boy at the scouts and he should be in about half past eight. As long as I'm not I said, Are you sure it's not going to be too late, cos I'll be forty five minutes. He said, No that's quite alright. So
[speaker002:] Oh good, that's good. How many have you still to get.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I've still got plen Well er that will be two boys, a lady giver, cos you have to find people who give stamps as well as.
[speaker002:] Oh yes. Now that's quite difficult I would think.
[speaker001:] And a male collector. So that's me got four and I've got another five to do and I had a telephone call from field controller in Edinburgh last night and I really do think I don't know how I managed to keep my tongue still. Comments like, I suggest instead of wasting time on leads, I suggest you try knocking on doors. That is the only way you will find them. I said, Well Anne Avril and I knocked on eighty five doors on Thursday evening before we got one contact. I said i can go out and walk the streets for hours and find no one.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] I says, I have to follow up leads. Yes but I'm not interested in you following up leads, I'm interested in nine interviews. I said, Well I think it'll be a miracle if I get nine interviews because the quota is far too tight. I don't understand what you mean by tight. I says, Well [LAUGHTER] right
[speaker002:] The area's not
[speaker001:] Right away I said, I have three people to find for working class areas who collect stamps, who are interested in stamps. I said, People generally have more to do with their money. And of course what defeated me was knows this fellow that is an ambulance driver and he's classed as working class. And he stays in a four-bedroomed detached house. But his wife's a school teacher and that's why.
[speaker002:] Yes well.
[speaker001:] So you're not going to get that like I mean that that was a one in a million shot, finding
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] him.
[speaker002:] I would say so.
[speaker001:] And I w was telling Bill about him and as Bill said it's a waste driving an ambulance. He d actually designs stamps and first day covers.
[speaker002:] Does he?
[speaker001:] A work of art Jean. Absolute work of art. You just couldn't believe what the man has done.
[Bill:] Mm. It shows.
[speaker002:] shows the people who go to the
[Bill:] Aha.
[speaker002:] the church.
[Bill:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] What's her name again?
[speaker001:] I don't know. She teaches in.
[speaker002:] Aye she's she's she does the lot.
[speaker001:] Very nice person. She's a very nice person.
[speaker002:] just been lectured to. Your mother was there.
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER] It says here, [] I write a lot of letters to other people. Then it, How exactly?
[speaker001:] Well do you?
[Bill:] Do they mean, I write I don't write a lot of letters. I dictate a lot of letters to a lot of people. Tomorrow I will sign ultimately twenty odd Do they want me to sit
[speaker001:] Aye I think they must it must be talking about dictating as well.
[Bill:] down and sit writing long hand?
[speaker001:] No. No I think they'll mean it's number of stamps.
[Bill:] Cos I rarely ever do that.
[speaker001:] I think it's they look for the number of stamps used rather if it's what you
[Bill:] Ah well good.
[speaker001:] Aha.
[Bill:] Okay.
[speaker001:] I would say that. Even though you don't physically write them. Even dictating them I think you should count that as writing.
[Bill:] Do you count that?
[speaker001:] I think so though.
[Bill:] Oh. Oh well.
[speaker001:] I think so.
[Bill:] Right
[speaker001:] If you want to change it you just put a stroke through it.
[Bill:] Just put a stroke through that one.
[speaker001:] And circle the one you you want to circle.
[Bill:] So I agree strongly yes.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Bill:] Ah write a few letters to the hospital forty forty.
[speaker001:] Oh aye. They said to Bill on the telephone. I've been knocking on doors the other night there. I went along to you know the council houses in there?
[speaker002:] Yes
[speaker001:] Some of the answers I got. Big girl was just about to close a door and she opened a big smile and she said, Ah I just remembered my daddy collects stamps. I said, Oh great. She says, Aha, every morning, he's a postman. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Three doors along a great big strapping lad. Er I would say a sixteen or seventeen. I said, er none of your pals collect stamps no? And he says, None of my pals are like that. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] What sort of answer [LAUGHTER] Okay.
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER] There was no answer to that.
[speaker001:] Do you know your full postcode?
[Bill:] Which one? [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Here.
[Bill:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Could you give me your full postcode please?
[Bill:] . .
[speaker001:] . And when you write your address down, do you quote your full postcode, always sometimes or only when asked? If I were to ask you for your address, what would you do?
[Bill:] Only when asked.
[speaker001:] Only when asked. Right. You want to write as little as possible on them. [reading] I'd like to end with a few more general questions about you and your leisure time. First, which of these daily newspapers do you ever read or look at? [] book there they are.
[Bill:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] Yes I'm afraid so, Bill.
[Bill:] I I I read the times.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Bill:] The Independent.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Bill:] The Glasgow Herald, I read that.
[speaker001:] I like the Dependent it's a
[speaker002:] We buy it won't buy anything else.
[Bill:] Yeah. That's it.
[speaker001:] And it is independent cos you get news from throughout the land. [reading] And which do you regularly? By regularly I mean at least four times a week. [] The Herald. I need to write and tell them it's not the Glasgow Herald any more. Believe you me it's it's progress getting [LAUGHTER] []. Er
[Bill:] Oh aye.
[speaker001:] Or or getting a Scottish newspaper on the list. Yes. If you could just turn over to the next card now Bill. [reading] Which of these Sunday papers do you ever read []
[Bill:] Two.
[speaker001:] [reading] or look at? [] Aha.
[Bill:] And.
[speaker001:] Er right yes fine. And again, [reading] Which do you read regularly? By regularly I mean att least twice a month. []
[Bill:] Both of them.
[speaker001:] Right. Next card please. [reading] Which if any of these magazines do you read or look at on a regular basis? By which I mean at least one out of every two issues. []
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER] great list of magazines []... Regular basis?
[speaker001:] Aha, one out of every two issues. That's pretty regular.
[Bill:] Have you seen the list?
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] Radio Times, T V Times,
[Bill:] T V Times.
[speaker001:] What's On T V, T V Quick,
[Bill:] And then and then
[speaker001:] Women's Weeklies You see women have been asked this as well.
[Bill:] Aye I know.
[speaker001:] Er Women's Weeklies, Women's Monthlies and then other magazines.
[Bill:] Where where are the men's magazines?
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's a good question, where are they indeed?
[Bill:] There isn't a man's magazine in the whole thing.
[speaker001:] There's not.
[Bill:] Gardener's World.
[speaker001:] That is very strange.
[speaker002:] You know sometimes don't read magazines on a regular basis.
[speaker001:] So is none of them you read them then
[Bill:] Mm.
[speaker001:] on a regular basis, Bill? Right that's fine.
[Bill:] Bella, Woman's Weekly,, Woman's Own,.
[speaker001:] Er
[Bill:] Chat, Mine, [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] . I mean as far as
[Bill:] Good Food, Woman's Own,
[speaker001:] Me. A magazine called Me.
[Bill:] Family Circle. Never heard of it.
[speaker001:] Prima, never heard of that one. Essentials.
[speaker002:] Yes
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Bill:] Not not on a regulars
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Bill:] Er just they have Bella as..
[speaker001:] Actually that's not a bad magazine, Bella.
[Bill:] .
[speaker001:] Er
[Bill:] I've just got these pictures of the
[speaker001:] Where the where I used to see the Bella magazines wasn't in Southern we went with Bill's father. And occasionally if I was looking for a magazine to buy, it would get a lot of i good information in it too. Okay if you'd like to go to the next card Bill. [reading] Are you a paid up member of any of the following organizations.? []
[Bill:] [LAUGHTER] The A A.
[speaker001:] The A A. Is that the only one.
[Bill:] That's the only one.
[speaker002:] You're in the National Breakdown
[Bill:] No it's not on the list.
[speaker001:] it's er National Trust.
[Bill:] That's not first. The A A, R A C, English Heritage, Overseas Association, Conservative Party, Labour Party and the Lib Dems.
[speaker001:] [reading] Thinking now of television and video watching. How on how many days a week do you usually watch television? [].
[speaker002:] Every day now. Yeah.
[Bill:] Every day
[speaker001:] [reading] And on a typical day when you watch, for how many hours do you usually watch T V? [] Including videos but you videos so it's T V.
[Bill:] Two.
[speaker001:] Right. go to card thirty. [reading] Using this card, could you tell me how much of your T V watching time is spent watching B B C One? []
[speaker002:] Get the news
[Bill:] About half.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Er B B C Two?
[Bill:] The other half.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Right you don't watch I T V or Channel Four?
[Bill:] .
[speaker001:] Okay now turning to the radio. [reading] On how many days a week do you usually listen to the radio? []
[Bill:] Seven days.
[speaker001:] Yeah. [reading] On a typical day when you listen, for how many hours do you listen to the radio? []
[Bill:] Quarter to seven till eight o'clock.
[speaker002:] That's all he does eight to quarter to eight
[Bill:] No.
[speaker001:] You don't listen in the car?
[Bill:] Eight o'clock yeah.
[speaker002:] Oh yes.
[speaker001:] What is the total then?
[Bill:] That's about two and a quarter.
[speaker001:] Er two or three Is it nearer two or nearer three?
[Bill:] Nearer two.
[speaker001:] And still on card thirty. [reading] Using card thirty again, could you tell me how much of your radio listening time is spent tuned to B B C Radio One? []
[Bill:] None.
[speaker001:] Radio Two?
[Bill:] Most.
[speaker001:] Radio Three?...
[Bill:] Hardly any.
[speaker001:] Er Radio Four?
[Bill:] Radio Four, none.
[speaker001:] [reading] Classic F M? []...
[Bill:] Less than that.
[speaker001:] Right. Virgin Radio?
[Bill:] I haven't [LAUGHTER] found it yet [].
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] I'd forgotten about it until this came in.
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Er any local B B C station?
[Bill:] I try not to. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Right, so hardly any.
[Bill:] No. Hardly any.
[speaker001:] Any local commercial station?
[Bill:] No.
[speaker001:] Any other radio station? What other radio station?
[Bill:] Well i isn't if you'd asked me last August when we bought the I would have said probably Radio Brittany or Radio Rouane
[speaker001:] Oh right.
[Bill:] or something like that [LAUGHTER] because we couldn't get anything else [].
[speaker001:] Yeah. Er have you ever bought goods through the post by mail order?
[Bill:] Er no.
[speaker001:] I never either I'd have said too. But I sent to for. So I suppose that's mail order You know you've got to
[Bill:] Oh aye.
[speaker002:] We never buy anything.
[Bill:] .
[speaker001:] You're probably to. Right.
[speaker002:] buy things through the post....
[speaker001:] Right. And you're a doctor. General Practitioner.... Er and I think we're safe to say that you're married and Two adults in the household. One collector?
[Bill:] One collector. I depends what you mean by collector
[speaker002:] One sufferer. One sufferer. [LAUGHTER] [break in recording]
[speaker001:] Can I... twenty six. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] Twenty five.
[speaker001:] Twenty five. Oh sorry. Twenty five. Twenty five's old enough I suppose.
[speaker002:] I know well stupid brat.
[speaker001:] Still not happy in.
[speaker002:] Oh aye it's okay. Oh did I tell you she was thinking of going to do a chiropody certificate. She phoned her careers office today, they're sending her the information free, you're thinking.
[speaker001:] Yes I know.
[speaker002:] I didn't know that.
[speaker001:] doing that, at College.
[speaker002:] Where's?
[speaker001:] Erm be far side it's right keep going out and out.
[speaker002:] Oh. I mean that used to be a college in
[speaker001:] I but colleges.
[speaker002:] Oh right that's.
[speaker001:] Erm that's probably why get into. They're changing places.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] Well she's quite enjoying it.
[speaker002:] Is it full time?
[speaker001:] But er Aha.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] But as far as that er I got the information for the athletes foot and then I checked with Bill here.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] But he hadn't heard of There's another thing which Amanda suggested I try.
[speaker002:] Another
[speaker001:] Er Three percent compound. I'm sure but no one 's ever heard of it.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] It's a. [LAUGHTER] Exactly so. However I try it and I went in the shop and. I got an awful funny feeling that shoes. Cos it's a fungus could it not spread from my shoes?
[speaker002:] Erm your socks. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Quite.
[speaker002:] Why don't you get something to wipe them with or something.
[speaker001:] I don't know.
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] No idea. So how much is the course, did she say?
[speaker002:] How's she paying it is she just leaving school
[speaker001:] Erm well she's she's a grant because she's never had a grant before.
[speaker002:] Are they still getting grants?
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] Oh I thought they'd stopped all these.
[speaker001:] . Amanda just back from Tenerife
[speaker002:] But just you
[speaker001:] on holiday. Twenty six
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] erm and she paid for the holiday, but she has an allergy. She's got she mustn't eat anything with preservatives. Well that's
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] not easy. So somebody had told her to apply and she would get a grant, to help towards her special diet. So she applied and she got five hundred and fifty pounds.
[speaker002:] [scream]
[speaker001:] So whether that's an annual thing or not I don't know.
[speaker002:] Aha.
[speaker001:] But it's to help it's cos she's a student, and it's to help towards a special diet.
[speaker002:] Was she working?
[speaker001:] No she's at college.
[speaker002:] But was she working before she
[speaker001:] Er no.
[speaker002:] She was unemployed for how long?
[speaker001:] She was unemployed. They've got most most times I think you'll have to be unemployed for six months.
[speaker002:] Aha.
[speaker001:] But she had been working er er as a
[speaker002:] pay for this. Mhm.
[speaker001:] On do you know like the Buses or the
[speaker002:] Aye right.
[speaker001:] continental equivalent and she was on them.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] Er but it wasn't steady employment.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] S.
[speaker002:] Aye. needs to pay for it.
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] I don't know how much it'll cost. But then if she could get set nights. Friday night, Saturday night, then she could pay for it.
[speaker001:] Aha. Aha. The National Health couldn't train her?
[speaker002:] She doesn't work for them
[speaker001:] Of course she doesn't work for them now..
[speaker002:] Er no.
[speaker001:] But privately private private
[speaker002:] Mhm. Aye but the Health Service
[speaker001:] What a very stupid question, of course it'll be private.
[speaker002:] They're taking patients in.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] So that's how she got her contract of employment, her probationary period's over.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] So she's signed that So I mean if she can get set nights, she won't get in this term anyway I presume all the places will have gone.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] But she wants to do erm [whispering] oh God, [] reflexology, that's just three hundred pounds. Just I mean she. But it's just three hundred pound.
[speaker001:] resolves aromatherapy and
[speaker002:] Well you see she wants to do the whole lot er cos it's all She said, Feet are the only part of the human body she can tolerate. [LAUGHTER] In strangers. [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] And and folk. []
[speaker001:] spent a lot of money on reflexology to see if it would help her sleep. She's still not sleeping at nights.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] tried absolutely everything.
[speaker002:] Is she alright during the day or is she absolutely haggard?
[speaker001:] Tired. Kn knackered. Because she's got a stressful job.
[speaker002:] Mm. Margaret Thatcher never slept much either. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] apply for Prime Minister. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Er She's er. She's not.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] She's. It's really all in her mind but. And she's given up her one night a week in the W which Er social science....
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] Said that sh she hasn't been eating and she
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] went under. Erm but to get into the social work department she'll still have to do the that that
[speaker002:] Mm. Och aye. I know.
[speaker001:] Er
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] Aha. But she's another two years. for social workers. She's having trouble with it. Sh I think she sees a lot of women who have been social workers. Erm... a drop out centre drop in centre? Drop centre. It's not for drop outs, it's for drug addicts and Glasgow. But there's been a few hairy things, stabbings and it was getting a wee bit dodgy so she's given that up.... really bad for drug addicts and
[speaker002:] Oh right.
[speaker001:] A sort of wild west country..... And she's got to look after the budget as well.
[speaker002:] Ah..
[speaker001:] Aye.... Ronnie he's still looking for a job.
[speaker002:] Is he?
[speaker001:] It's two months now, I think they're starting to get a wee bit worried.
[speaker002:] What was he doing?
[speaker001:] A chartered accountant. In the insolvency department of his office too. I mean the one department you would have thought would have been enough.
[speaker002:] ?
[speaker001:] Oh I wish. [LAUGHTER] Good start. Margaret.
[speaker002:] Any whatsit worth their salt... any what do you call it What is he? Chartered accountant worth their salt would certainly not be working for any health service or trust hospital.
[speaker001:] Why is that Dr Oh right. Mhm.
[speaker002:] Erm he'd dead against it.
[speaker001:] I just don't er. She's so sick..
[speaker002:] Yes I got this pile of papers on the Wednesday.
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] Er go and design an endoscopy suite.
[speaker001:] You've to design you're making one? Who said this?
[speaker002:] Ray.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] and for your next trick, Ray. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] No it wasn't quite as bad as that, Ray er what do you call it had already done it. I had to quote. I had to look through all the rest and take what I wanted.
[speaker001:] Well that's quite essential cos you you should know what's Oh I see right, fair enough.
[speaker002:] I was raging.
[speaker001:] papers a lot.
[speaker002:] Aye I had to look through the whole lot of them. And get back to the designs and see what could be improved upon and what have you. Then that very night I got a phone call from this woman. This dietician saying that the architect w wants to know all about endoscop what it involves, so that it gives him an idea as to what is about. So I thought, What are you asking me for?
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] I said, If the architect wants to know, he can come and look and see for himself. I says, I only work part time you know.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] She said, Oh I take it you don't know anything about this. I said, No, how should I? She said, Dr was supposed to speak to you about it. I said, Well he's never mentioned it.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] I said,
[speaker001:] Well you should have high regard asking for yours.
[speaker002:] Well it's just the architect She said, Well it doesn't matter, if he hasn't said to you. Well I said she said, surprised. I said, Oh, I'm not surprised,.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] I felt like saying, I've got a bloody big pile of rubbish here that I have to go over so I've put in for overtime.
[speaker001:] Why not.
[speaker002:] I apologi I was raging. I thought, Right this could take seconds.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] If I just knew where he was prepared to stand and then could just sort of do the things round about.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] So I paged him. And he
[speaker001:] How big how big is the room?
[speaker002:] Oh it's big.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] Well biggish. It's about that width from there
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] to there and oh square sort of to here, like a four
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] bedded bay.
[speaker001:] Oh there's four beds in it? I only know about the room.
[speaker002:] There would have been, it's a ward. At the moment they're redesigning
[speaker001:] Oh I see aha.
[speaker002:] one of the infectious diseases wards. So of course we were there, the geriatrics in there
[speaker001:] Infectious disease ward?
[speaker002:] Aye well it's over in that unit.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] It's geriatrics I think.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] We've only got the one infectious diseases ward. Oh God. So I was saying, I paged him,
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] I said Aye. I said, it's me, I said, can you come over? Over where? I said, Oh guess where. I said, I'm on ward one or two, I don't know which one it is.
[speaker001:] So you you
[speaker002:] So I said, are you coming over, I said, this could take minutes if I knew where exactly
[speaker001:] So
[speaker002:] you were going to stand. Now In casualty day unit is to open It's all to be opened up, they're building a new day unit and whether the day unit has access
[speaker001:] Why are they doing this?
[speaker002:] to the main building.
[speaker001:] Why are they doing it?
[speaker002:] Why?
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] Och i don't know why they're moving it down there, it's already got a day unit on fifteen.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] Och I don't know. I don't know what's going on in the hospital. I don't bother to find out. So he didn't come over. No I'm not coming over. He said, Just think of the place as four walls. Bare walls. I said, There's bloody windows, the whole length of one wall.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] Just
[speaker001:] So
[speaker002:] forget about the windows. Forget No forget about the windows.
[speaker001:] You can't forget about the windows..
[speaker002:] Oh aye, they can be bricked up.
[speaker001:] no sunshine in again.
[speaker002:] Oh no, they'll I suggested they leave the window ledge and just left sort of a window that deep along
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] for some light,
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] Anyway. I was raging. Well I'm not coming over. Just like that. I thought, you cheeky piggy.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] I said, Oh well, right. and shoved the phone down.. So I thought, Right, this is it. So I get the back of something and I scribbled, Cupboards here, cupboards here, cupboards here, cupboards here and I thought, Right I'll see off duty. I was supposed to be off at four, this was six so I thought, two hours overtime.
[speaker001:] Right, quite right cos you have to work for two
[speaker002:] So that was that. So I got home. Aha. Aha. Now i if his computer er had been up and running, erm you know I might be able to design something. [LAUGHTER] Anyway so and then of course Oh that was another thing, I said to him, No you'll want to sit somewhere you'll want I don't want a desk in there, I'm not having my desk in there. I said, Oh yes, and if you think for one minute I'm taking pathology forms to your room, I said, you must have had.
[speaker001:] Is it far away?
[speaker002:] I said, You'll need to have a desk in there.
[speaker001:] Is it far away?
[speaker002:] Hey?
[speaker001:] Far away?
[speaker002:] His room?
[speaker001:] Aye.
[speaker002:] Oh I've no idea but it's certainly more than that room and I'm not. So I said, you'll need something you'll need somewhere knees under.. [LAUGHTER] So the nest day I s As I say I slammed the phone down
[speaker001:] Hey, he used to be your good friend
[speaker002:] this Oh I was raging at him. Oh crawl crawl the next day.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] He was supposed to go down well he did go to a meeting, but in he comes first of all. Good morning. I thought, Hmm. And then he. But Jenny, she was in hysterics, she said, My God, [LAUGHTER] I see a lot of folk get the cold shoulder, but that took a bit of beating. []
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] Erm I'm sorry about yesterday, but I just couldn't come. I said, Oh really.. And that. Well maybe.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] . So I said, Here it is. No he came back he came back after he had been at the meeting. I said,. Oh you should have done it all. I said, Indeed I have not, the top.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] Oh you hadn't time to look at the rest. I said, Well I haven't time to look at the rest.
[speaker001:] What's the rest?
[speaker002:] All this other pile of stuff I never even looked at. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] So you don't know what's
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] No I this wee drawing. [] [LAUGHTER] That was it.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] I said, Oh thank you very much.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] I thought, Oh aye. I said, Then tell me, I said, I don't understand these terms. What the blazes is this? A trolley loading bay? I said, What in heaven's name are we having?
[speaker001:] A trolley loading bay?
[speaker002:] And then it's got these rooms, it's like an eight-bedded eight-trolleyed bit.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] Only it's got this separate bit for trolley loading it's got written on it. I thought, What the hell is that? I said, Why don't you just knock the flaming wall down. That's in case the roof falls in. I thought, Oh don't [LAUGHTER] tell me any more [].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Mm.
[speaker002:] Oh and I just hope he's remembering that I don't want to be the sister in there. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] You don't want
[speaker002:] Want to be the sister.
[speaker001:] You don't?
[speaker002:] No. I don't want anything to do with the patients [LAUGHTER] [].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]. Well what what would you be then?
[speaker002:] Well I'm not I'm not being a sister in the er endoscopy room. I'll do the scopes.
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] I'll do the bits that I'm involved in now.
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] But I'm being I'm not admitting the patient or anything after
[speaker001:] Will you not lose money by doing that?
[speaker002:] Well I don't care. I'm not doing it. I don't know anything about ward work, I don't know anything about the forms, I don't know anything Well obviously you get R T
[speaker001:] Why didn't you need this in your work.
[speaker002:] Theatre?
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] I haven't been in wards for about twenty two years.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker002:] And I have I'm completely out of touch. I don't know anything.
[speaker001:] Each of course you'd be about seventeen years.
[speaker002:] Well.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER]. Right.
[speaker002:] Anyway I haven't about any of the newfangled ideas.
[speaker001:] Ah fair enough I didn't know about that..
[speaker002:] So I'd have no idea. The only thing I know and. And I'll just take an F grade or whatever.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] An F grade. Other than that I'm gonna do two nights..
[speaker001:] Aye well some of the night shift have been done away. I am told.
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] Mm. Well from what Jeannette and Margaret have been saying, we think probably what'll happen is a lot of the the girls who do just do nights, a lot of them for pin money.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] Suddenly gonna have a staff shortage.
[speaker002:] Oh this is.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] Alison gets six pound... thirty odd. An hour.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] Well this is nights.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] The the twelve hours twenty four hours.
[speaker001:] Mm. Oh it is.
[speaker002:] But she gets.
[speaker001:] Mhm....
[speaker002:] Aye.... Ah well see how it goes. Because I mean this is just the start of the trust I mean, nothing'll change next year. By next year they'll probably issue new contracts and
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] . I mean I'm just anyway.
[speaker001:] Mm mhm.
[speaker002:] I'm so valuable to him. gonna go downhill. Because he'd the di You're the Medical Director.
[speaker001:] Yes I know that.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Mhm. You said that. since you w went on the ward that's been
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you thinking how you used to talk to it was great wasn't it?
[speaker002:] Oh it's still fine.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] Oh we still get on fine.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] It was just I thought what they hell do you think he's on here?
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] Hey? Who does he think he's talking to? Get this want it tomorrow.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Wait a minute. I'm not a designer, I'm a nurse piss off. I should have said.
[speaker001:] I'd forgotten.
[speaker002:] And do you believe it, they wanted it the next day. I thought, Aye I thought, Alright, come again. You Where was it you said he said?? Not many houses in I must have passed his house when I was up there. There's only about
[speaker001:] They haven't got numbers.
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] Tell me about it.
[speaker002:] I know.
[speaker001:] Alright. house was looking for. Erm Is it a big old house is it.
[speaker002:] No I don't think so, I get the impression new house. It's a bungalow.
[speaker001:] Is one of the new 'uns then? Aha aye it is. Yes.
[speaker002:] What did I do with the car keys?
[speaker001:] Ten They were sitting on top of your bag outside.
[speaker002:] Aye I know.
[speaker001:] There were about ten. Ten twelve new bungalows.
[speaker002:] Well I think I don't think it's all that It's not a recent bungalow by the sounds of it cos he's had to have new plumbing
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] or a new luxury bathroom suite.
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] it gives me the idea that it's not..
[speaker001:] You must have put them in your bag.
[speaker002:] Aye likely. No I put them in my pocket. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Aye erm
[speaker002:] Och no we got on fine.
[speaker001:] I was very I was very surprised. I expected to to be like a village.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] But it's not.
[speaker002:] I've never been.
[speaker001:] It's not. I was most surprised..
[Bill:] And what is it like?
[speaker001:] It's one street. You come down a steep hill from. On the left hand side is the golf course and then there was
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] two, four, six, big old houses.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] And then on the left hand side the old houses continue and the female I interviewed er I reckoned there had been a house there that had been knocked down, and they built a wee bungalow.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] And then on the other side, that's where the wee bungalows start.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] And there are about ten. They're not big. There's nothing I would say
[speaker002:] a lo of land?
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] Because the sounds of it, it's quite a big garden he's got.
[speaker001:] Mm. Where where was it that anaesthetist stayed that you and
[speaker002:] I mean, I don't know erm
[speaker001:] Maybe you went to a an afternoon cocktail party or something.
[speaker002:] A late lunch at Dr 's. That was.
[speaker001:] Oh. Maybe that's what I was thinking the big house was. both begin with D.
[speaker002:] Mhm. Well that's enormous I mean, his garage detached house.
[speaker001:] Yeah..
[speaker002:] Well straight road. Mm no.
[speaker001:] It's not the best it's not the best of roads though.
[speaker002:] No there's.
[speaker001:] Mm. Aye well. Hope it's a happy day tomorrow.. old ladies section outing on Sunday. before Sunday. We're going would you believe it to.
[speaker002:] Oh mhm. That's nice.
[speaker001:] [cough] exciting stuff.
[speaker002:] That's alright.
[speaker001:] I've never been to
[speaker002:] You're jo
[speaker001:] I have been to. I lost my good watch last year in. How could I forget that.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Oh whereabouts is the golf course then?
[speaker002:] It's up the bank I think. You know when where it's signposted, I think it's
[speaker001:] Oh no
[speaker002:] I think
[speaker001:] erm we went to for lunch before. Er what's the name of the place? .
[speaker002:] Oh. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] don't be silly..
[speaker002:] Aha.
[speaker001:] Hotel.
[speaker002:] Aye.
[speaker001:] And then we went on to and parked at the start of and walked up one side and back down the other side and that's as much as I saw of it.
[speaker002:] I.
[speaker001:] Oh no is it a golf club possibly. Er before you get to hotels.
[speaker002:] in the bottom out the bottom
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] the other end I think they go and round to the right.
[speaker001:] I thought it was on the right hand side as you went into village. Obviously it's not.
[speaker002:] Och I might be wrong. Could be [LAUGHTER] wrong [].
[speaker001:] The food is supposed to be good. So that's always something....
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] East Kilbride has a lovely golf course. Nice golf house..
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] And erm. One day we were up at Dunfermline.
[speaker002:] Oh right.
[speaker001:] my hand. Pulled a muscle or something. And I could only play nine holes and I had to
[speaker002:] Oh dear.
[speaker001:] give up. But I knew I was going to East Kilbride I thought, This is stupid, it's only gonna make it worse. So I don't know. I took two and on Tuesday and it's been fine since so God knows what's gone wrong.. But er because of that I decided to go into Dunfermline and have a wee wander round.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] It's really nice. I've never been there before. Nice new shopping centre and Marks and Sparks and.
[speaker002:] Oh. Oh that's the?
[speaker001:] Aye and the. Oh and who took the wrong road going across. And Sheila had to start giving me direction. I said, No Sheila, I said, I know where I'm going, it's all right. So of course she didn't like to say. We're two thirds of the way along I thought, Sheila, I said, I'm heading for the wrong bridge. I'm heading for the Forth road instead of the bridge. I said, Well I'm not
[speaker002:] I mean.
[speaker001:] didn't know where we were going.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] Er cos it's not actually Dunfermline, the golf club it's at er.. You know where is. It's three miles out of Dunfermline as you leave the town and go towards Bridge. Anyway it took us an hour and twenty minutes to get there, it took us forty minutes to get home. That's the difference. Er it's much much longer going Bridge. Er What was I going to say? No. No. For once no.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]...
[speaker001:] Oh no, it doesn't matter. No it was just that as I say, I went off to town. But I realized I was most surprised. spend a day Oh aye, that's what I was going to say, that was the first time I've actually been through.
[speaker002:] Oh right. mhm..
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] No but not a lot. Then we carried on out that road. And some person had very kindly turned round the sign for the A nine nine four or whatever it was.
[speaker002:] Oh no.
[speaker001:] And that's where we went round. However we stopped and got good directions.
[speaker002:] Mhm. Mm.
[speaker001:] And we found it eventually and it was beautiful day too. Started off wet and I thought, Oh is this going to be miserable?
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] it was cold certainly but the sun shone. So... phones last night but the reception was very bad.
[speaker002:] Where is he?
[speaker001:] No idea. I was only hearing one word in five. Obviously too far away.
[speaker002:] Aha.
[speaker001:] He'll be using his mobile phone again. The only time that works on the long distances is if there's high pressure. The signal must travel better.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] In good weather.... Erm....... He went to look at the window sill and there was this think it's about time You did something about these. I thought, Away you go. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] No no my conscience. I did that washing yesterday. And I did that er. But it's doing all this lot. I mean the bottom bit's easy to do it's fun but the cushions and that
[speaker002:] Oh right.
[speaker001:] But from a dis if I could just get a good you know one of these really warm days.
[speaker002:] Aha.
[speaker001:] Take them out outside and do them. It's be no bother.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And you really have to see them before and after. I mean
[speaker002:] Aha.
[speaker001:] you can't really see what's been done, but I know it's been done. All the black corners have all been taken off. But this here, reading newspapers and you get a lot
[speaker002:] Mm mm mm.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] Oh well, my goodness me in a carpet.
[speaker001:] Mm. Carpet's alright.
[speaker002:] I know.
[speaker001:] That carpet that that this house has been the ba best advert for that carpet ever.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] . Since I got it. I mean the first two the first two or three nights after and that's like the sleeping death because it's it'd been so long since I had a complete nights sleep.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] .... Aye it's three month short of seventeenth birthday.
[speaker002:] Oh oh is she.
[speaker001:] Aye Bill was talking about driver's licence.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] And all the kids all round about here seem to be quite upset by it as well. But I'd forgotten that you know, when we were wee kids, and you used to take them that night you know.
[speaker002:] Oh that's right. Of course.
[speaker001:] You forget about.
[speaker002:] Aye
[speaker001:] We tended to think of Sandy as a liability because he had been... so over the past years. Especially married. We kept forgetting, he wasn't always like that.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] You know, he used to go everywhere with us in the car.
[speaker002:] Mhm. So you'll be able to go to sea now. Will you not?
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] Why not.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] It's a tiny little ship it's a wee poky thing.
[speaker002:] Oh dear. Ah. Now you've got the chance to go you'll have to get a decent sized boat now. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Aye. Cos I wouldn't worry about the cats cos I'm sure one of our neighbours would look after them.
[speaker002:] Och aye.
[speaker001:] makes it look quite big but it's it's not like.
[speaker002:] Oh right, it's one of the new
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] thingummajiggeries is it.
[speaker001:] You can't really see it. Erm
[speaker002:] .
[speaker001:] . Erm And here is a bit with deck.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] There's a hole straight down into the sea.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] Where they drop the the Oh.
[speaker002:] Little submarine.
[speaker001:] remote remote vehicle.
[speaker002:] I see. Okay.
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] And this is a crane thing is it.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's where find the er stores and stuff under.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] She's nice, she's quite good. And well Ian he's into computers and things like that, I mean the technology The bridge, behind the bridge just unbelievable, I think it's
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] got four or five computers. Er taking data from... whatever.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] lot more the the the job they have, it's a a very long it runs from just off the coast of er Norway right down
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] to Great Yarmouth and then across to.... So and the foods good.
[speaker004:] Oh that's
[speaker002:] Tremendous. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] sticker. There there and there.
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] He's inherited I believe.
[speaker002:] Is he quite liking it?
[speaker001:] It's a job, that's all.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] I think it's too much of the from the you know the contractors. They tell them what to do.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] And sometimes he doesn't like it. Needles to say i if they want them to do anything.
[speaker002:] Mhm. Mhm. .
[speaker001:] Mm. head office. Because there was no H P Sauce. All the condiments were unheard of brands.. Er yeah, they actually wanted Baxter's this and Colman's that
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] and Heinz this.
[speaker002:] Aha.
[speaker001:] Petty.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] Really petty. quite a lot of work in er phone calls over the past two weeks. operators.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] a lot of work was done.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] . He was offered a good job on a ship called the and she's purpose built for the North sea after
[speaker002:] Aha.
[speaker001:] the Alpha Piper.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] And she is.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] Oh it's the most weird looking thing.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] And all sorts of safety equipment on it. Er fire hoses and things.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] And it would have been good because it was per The only thing was he would have had to have gone up to and do a survival course.
[speaker002:] Oh right.
[speaker001:] You know like taking you up high and dropping into You know.
[speaker002:] Aha. Aha. Yes..
[speaker001:] But I had a funny feeling possibly he's not wanting to do it anyway. doesn't know it but er the lady who er in charge of personnel for. And the course which is a helicopter landing officer.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] It's. And they don't have enough people with that so
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] you do the courses in.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] . I don't know if he'll mind.... But the second mate's the same, they're all straight from navigation college and No
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] Well they they've got the theory.
[speaker002:] Aha.
[speaker001:] Mhm you know. Mm. I think I told you, the first. I don't know what this one this one's being called. Danish bacon. See the people who own the ship are Danish.. And i the the lady who runs the personnel department, it's her husband who on the ship.
[speaker002:] Mhm. Mhm.
[speaker001:] Sinbad, what on earth are you wanting? Mm? What is it? Is it teatime? Is it teatime?
[speaker002:] Anyway I was suppose I'd better get back.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] I took pork out at lunch time. Mm?
[speaker001:] Any more holidays in the offing?
[speaker002:] Me? Well I'm off on Tuesday and. I think I am. And then I'm off next week. Oh aye I'm off next week Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday.
[speaker001:] Oh give us a shout and we'll go for lunch then.
[speaker002:] Oh. No I'm not off Wednesday. I'm off Monday, Tuesday and if we get a doctor in, I'll do the scopes I'll be in on Thursday. So I might just have Monday Tuesday Monday Tuesday.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] If not, then Monday Tuesday Thursday Monday Tuesday Thursday off. And the Monday Tuesday. Monday Tuesday six,, that's eight days, nine days ten eleven twelve,th thirteen, twelve days I might have taken this year already.
[speaker001:] Mhm. Is this you having to take these days?
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] No.... Is it your own choice. So it counts as holidays.
[speaker002:] Well weekdays.
[speaker001:] Mhm. Yeah.
[speaker002:] Cos Ray's away. And I don't see why I should.
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] I don't know what to do.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER] I just don't Ah well maybe a week Tuesday, if you remember if I remember. Or
[speaker001:] What date is it.
[speaker002:] Nineteen, twenty, twenty one, twenty two, twenty ninth of June.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] Well I'll phone you anyway.
[speaker001:] Aye erm
[speaker002:] Just in case something comes up and I've got to go in or.
[speaker001:] . Aye I believe you. I know I should have phoned
[speaker002:] all that housework to do.
[speaker001:] told you about erm how he's. Cafe dinner it was great.
[speaker002:] Oh aye.
[speaker001:] June the twenty ninth. Oh no.
[speaker002:] And of course Margaret's home again in July for a week. Niece's wedding.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] Mind you it's daft. Imagine paying eight hundred pounds return for a day. Mind you I suppose it breaks. I mean that's between April and October she's due back.
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] home for a week. Oh Nicola's applied for her social work course.
[speaker001:] Has she? Mhm. Nicola that's Yes.
[speaker002:] That's her daughter. The one who's in working in a distillery..
[speaker001:] And she's a son Alistair.
[speaker002:] Aye, he's... building.
[speaker001:] Mm. he was
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] Aye he's not. Well what they drop I d I don't know, but you could have applied
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] for a job as what was it,. Control room staff for the police.
[speaker001:] Right. Mhm.
[speaker002:] But that was too much responsibility. Somebody's life might depend on him getting information. For the giving it out to
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] information somebody might die because he'd been too slow, or there's been a delay in transmission, or there's been a fault in the transmission and he's not prepared to take that responsibility.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] It's very annoying. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Yeah. Is he married?
[speaker002:] Married and divorced he married oh less than a year.
[speaker001:] Oh of course that's right that's right. Aye that's right,.
[speaker002:] We were supposed to go to the wedding, my father died.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] So there's still not any divorce through yet although Margaret Now if she's going to take him to solicitors.
[speaker001:] That would be.
[speaker002:] Ah but no no. I think she. Erm och I remember she wasn't I don't know. I think. Aye no no. I don't think you can do that now anyway.
[speaker001:] No right. Is he going to be up there sort of permanent now?
[speaker002:] I think he's put in for a. He put in for five.
[speaker001:] as long as it's not Bosnia. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] Oh he would apply for there.
[speaker001:] Oh dear.
[speaker002:] Oh aye he applied to go to the Gulf. they need them over here.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] before they go. Erm he put in for Cyprus I think but then everybody puts in for Cyprus. Erm
[speaker001:] . [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] Or Germany. Och I don't know, he put in for something else.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] But I mean he's been up there how long? About two years?
[speaker001:] Oh yeah.
[speaker002:] But he likes it up there.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] It's doing this he doesn't come back here for leave, he'd rather stay up there. Does he go away hill walking and.
[speaker001:] Aye
[speaker002:] Yeah. Mhm. No I've given it up, we can play it now we've got that. Er no I haven't Oh golfing.
[speaker001:] Oh great.
[speaker002:] That's why he to get golf clubs.
[speaker001:] Knowing his luck he'll get hit in the nose with a golf ball. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] Oh God, Aye.
[speaker001:] Break it again.
[speaker002:] Mm. Oh and he met this girl, they went for a weekend to Aviemore.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] Camping but they ran out of money so he wouldn't be able to see her till payday.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker002:] So that that was I mean he just had been paid so it was
[speaker001:] Aha.
[speaker002:] about four weeks I don't know whether how would that went down when he phoned her and told her.
[speaker001:] Aye.
[speaker002:] He's twenty one.
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[speaker002:] Twenty two in January. He's just twenty one. Wait I think
[speaker001:] Ah it doesn't matter it doesn't matter.
[speaker002:] Twenty two. Oh no twenty two.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] And happy as ever. How long is she in now?
[speaker001:] Sometime this eight, nine, ten years. And as as it goes one she gets more and more permanent. But she's she's still well I think she'd daft. She's in at the hostel at least an hour before she starts. She likes to sit and cup of coffee. And when the shift's over, she sits another. So she's hardly in the house and she'll be back again. You know.
[speaker002:] Wait how long's this stint of night duty?
[speaker001:] Well that was at well that was last time it it's normally seven or eight nights.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] On the trot. And then you get two or three days off.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] And the it's early.
[speaker002:] Oh that's her back on to days
[speaker001:] Yes aha.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] But she seems to be doing night shift a lot recently.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] Probably cos of staff shortages. Or somebody's not there. Jeannette will you fi will you take night shift for.....
[speaker002:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] She likes being
[speaker002:] Well we've got X-ray staff.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] But that is.
[speaker001:] I can never remember I can never remember. Erm four years.
[speaker002:] Oh has she.
[speaker001:] seem all that long ago
[speaker002:] It it was if they're married two years. Mind you we've got loads of staff nurses as well and they're not all made up to.
[speaker001:] Aye. Ah right.
[speaker002:] I couldn't tell you what. I'm sure it was a almost two years. Eighteen months. She got she qualified July or August. Well she she sat her finals.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] And she started right away. On the ward.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] And that was the that would be a year. That'll be like four years this August.. Very unusually for anybody to stay in that work for four years.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] Usually after a couple of years,
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] But Jeannette seems to think everything will be very.
[speaker001:] Oh I mean if she likes it, that's fine.
[speaker002:] Oh she does. she does.
[speaker001:] Well that's okay....
[speaker002:] ...
[speaker001:] Mm. Mhm....
[speaker002:] She's acting up.. You tell him, she said, Well why should I tell him? [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Aye.
[speaker002:] Apparently he's he's quite good tempered.
[speaker001:] Oh [LAUGHTER]...
[speaker002:] Who's Brian?
[speaker001:] Jane's son.
[speaker002:] Oh right.
[speaker001:] Er and she's not I think there's a few I'm not sure. And apparently the man was a bit doolally pardon me. So he she always to. But they changed their mind. Once she was qualified. They thought they would go abroad.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] So that's gone by the wayside..
[speaker002:] Oh really. Mhm.
[speaker001:] .
[speaker002:] Mm. Terraces? There's no terraces. Mhm.
[speaker001:] . [recording ends]