[Cathy:] No
[Jane:] No, right
[Iris:] Ah
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] they won't do
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] they won't do a thing for the children in their old blind school because R B E A have got so much money we don't put our
[Jane:] Yes, aha, yes
[Cathy:] money into the school
[Jane:] Mhm
[Cathy:] cos there they can do it themselves
[Iris:] I agree they shouldn't buy the tickets because they're the
[Jane:] They shouldn't
[Iris:] ones that have provided us, have a go at
[Cathy:] They are loaded they're loaded
[Jane:] Well there is other things they do want you on special, er pantomime before the school breaks up you know
[Cathy:] They of course
[Brian:] Mhm
[Jane:] perhaps we could organize it or something
[Brian:] A target one for kids and one for
[Jane:] Yes
[Iris:] Yeah
[Robert:] A standard audience
[Cathy:] We should get back to R B A, they're the ones who supply the equipment
[Robert:] Yeah
[Brian:] Mhm
[Robert:] they've got one of them
[Cathy:] and that, none of their children go, maybe, maybe that's a way
[Iris:] Absolutely
[Cathy:] to do it.
[Robert:] Well I think that would be worth looking into
[Cathy:] Yes
[Iris:] Right, definitely
[Robert:] if Brian could make the sort of
[Brian:] Oh contact the
[Iris:] Oh yes that's a good idea
[Cathy:] Yes, yes get a letter out and come back to me
[Robert:] What about, to go back to the idea of scheduling and things
[Jane:] Mhm
[Iris:] Scheduling, yes
[Robert:] I mean
[Cathy:] Yes Doris is seeing to that
[Robert:] the difficulty is is we need a mechanism, but the
[Cathy:] Yes
[Robert:] difficulty is we, what we I think need to do is, is establish who is actually arranging dates
[Cathy:] Mhm
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] I mean, I think we're stuck, we're obviously stuck with a on the sixth
[Jane:] Oh yes, yeah
[Robert:] and the thirty nine and that
[Iris:] Right
[Robert:] for the variety of reasons, but I think what's obviously important is if there is any more date arranging going on
[Jane:] Yes, yes
[Robert:] by whoever
[Jane:] Mm
[Robert:] that there is that sort, kind of, everybody keeps in touch with everybody else erm
[Iris:] I think that's diff you see I, I don't think that's possible for everybody to keep in touch with everybody else, I think you've got to have one person, that everybody looks to, to say, right
[Cathy:] All the dates are centre that, one person is that one
[Robert:] I mean it could work on that basis then, that if, for example, I'm just thinking about, well just from my point of view, when i was arranging that date in Stirling with the Oxford people, I could of said well, Thursday's okay with me is it okay with you until I've checked with
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] whoever it is upstairs
[Iris:] Right
[Robert:] kind of thing
[Iris:] Mhm and provided it's only one person it's not that difficult
[Cathy:] It's not that difficult
[Iris:] It's not you see because every person
[Cathy:] Have to check it with everybody
[Brian:] Yes, you'll have to buy a chart for that one person
[Jane:] Yes, the only thing is that, that in, in each city now
[Iris:] Mm
[Jane:] well Glasgow and Edinburgh anyway cos
[Iris:] that's the other thing now
[Jane:] you need perhaps someone in each area to be coordinating
[Iris:] again yes
[Jane:] all the de you know, because they've got the describers, whoever is in charge of the describers knows when they can spare people, oh no I can't do that week because we've
[Iris:] Right
[Jane:] already got tied up
[Robert:] Yes, that's right
[Jane:] so it really has to be the person in each city erm who then gets together with a general coordinator.
[Brian:] For this in Edinburgh there is a sort of a forum where er organizations are set themselves round the table and say this is what, the sort of idea that we're gonna do for the next year and a half
[Cathy:] Right
[Jane:] Mhm, yes
[Brian:] so that we don't clash with each other statistically
[Jane:] Yes
[Robert:] So you don't have
[Brian:] so we could take it from that stage even
[Cathy:] Aha yes
[Jane:] Yes
[Iris:] Yes that's, that's it you see
[Cathy:] Mhm
[Brian:] I've been trying to spot room for that
[Robert:] Is this what's erm
[Jane:] Try and take it back a step yes
[Iris:] Aha
[Robert:] As a kind of clash diary
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] but it's also linked, I mean the other thing that I've got at the back of my mind, is a kind of nightmare, is that when we were talking about the Festival around about March... that you know, we spoke to Ingy er you know as a group and then that was all fine and we kept er going along and then, and then there was that sort of dreadful phone call I had from Linda along the lines as I'm not sure if I've got any describers [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] That's right, because it's August
[Cathy:] Oh yes
[Robert:] because it's August
[Jane:] Yes
[Robert:] you know, part of me was thinking well just a minute you know this service is if blind people can offer describers, but on the other hand people are entitled to go away on holiday
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] Exactly, mm
[Robert:] and so you know it is a sort of, I mean it's exactly what Iris is saying it's a meeting with minds in a way because we need to know that, that
[Jane:] Yes, because in that case you could of, we could of drawn in people, describers from Perth
[Robert:] Yes Connie
[Jane:] who knows next year we'll be, we say Glasgow or
[Iris:] That's right
[Cathy:] but, but people should also be aware that the Festival is always in August [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] Yeah quite
[Jane:] Exactly, yes [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] Yes, and, and I'm prepared to, I mean
[Cathy:] And these people all live in Edinburgh
[Jane:] Yes exactly
[Iris:] That's why they're all tired
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] Rent out their houses
[Cathy:] That's right
[Robert:] I mean I was thinking that you can actually with Linda actually you know because I loiter Linda today's meeting obviously
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER] She was on holiday
[Robert:] and you know
[Cathy:] Yeah [LAUGHTER] I thought that was lovely
[Robert:] they said she was on holiday, you know, erm and you know, so I mean
[Jane:] Mm
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] maybe this year because it's you know the first kind of year of it
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] and maybe next year people will take their holidays another time
[Iris:] Mm
[Robert:] but there are all these kind of variations to build into this problem, I mean I don't know we could, I feel we could almost talk, talk around this for, for hours
[Iris:] Mm
[Robert:] to sort of see some way around it, but I mean it's a, it's a problem of the scheduling both by the theatres
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] because you know the other thing to take into this is the
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] sort of thing we've talked about as well with, with the Edinburgh and Glasgow Kings
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] the Kings theatres in towns where by and large they're showing the same shows
[Brian:] Mm
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] and sometimes they go to Glasgow first
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] and then they go to Edinburgh
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] and sometimes they go from Edinburgh to Glasgow
[Cathy:] And they usually go to Aberdeen
[Robert:] sometimes they go to Aberdeen
[Iris:] That's right, yes
[Robert:] sometimes they come to Edinburgh and then go away for six months and come back to Glasgow
[Jane:] Yeah
[Iris:] Yes, yes that's right
[Robert:] and I'm quite keen to sort of have that
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] I mean you're never going to control, you're never going to be on top of it but I mean
[Iris:] No
[Jane:] Oh no it's not, never, doubt it
[Robert:] like Alligator Gun for example I know is coming to the, to the Kings up the road here quite soon and then it's going to Glasgow later on, and I keep thinking every time this sort of thing, thing's happening I keep thinking we could be dealing with these
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] we could actually be doing
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] you know, erm this, sometimes they go to the Theatre Royal to complicate things, but you know,
[Iris:] Mm
[Robert:] Playhouse and things but it's different theatres, but
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] you know I just keep thinking the stuff's on the way round and there ought to be some way of doing it, but I, you know, I mean maybe Brian's idea of the, the, the organizations in the ci ci but that doesn't help me you know with a, with a
[Brian:] You still need a key person who's going to
[Jane:] Yes you do
[Iris:] You still need, yes
[Jane:] Yes
[Robert:] to sit on the information
[Iris:] Yes
[Cathy:] I think so, there's got to be one person I mean I thought about this long and hard and there's just no way, it cannot be done by committee it would not work cos then
[Jane:] No it won't
[Cathy:] you've got people phoning oh, but I told er Linda
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] oh, but I told Iris, oh but I told Jane
[Jane:] That's right
[Cathy:] and you've got all this people not, you know
[Jane:] And the information just never comes
[Cathy:] Never gets together
[Jane:] Everybody
[Iris:] That's right
[Cathy:] so it's got to be one person and it's got
[Iris:] you're all little bits, innit?
[Cathy:] to be soon because that's already
[Iris:] Mm, be soon
[Robert:] Yeah
[Cathy:] happened but that's gonna happen again
[Robert:] Yeah, I think it'll happen again in the spring
[Cathy:] it's only a matter of time
[Robert:] At least we've got dates here for the Lyceum for
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] till April
[Iris:] Yes and I've got Brampton till November
[Robert:] so we can sort of put those into our
[Iris:] September
[Jane:] I think what I personally think what you need is a coordinator in Glasgow, a coordinator in Edinburgh to get together with a general coordinator who's going to cover Perth, Stirling
[Iris:] Yeah
[Jane:] Aberdeen, erm and get together and decide what they want, discussing dates
[Robert:] Yeah
[Jane:] because the coordinator are the ones who know if they
[Robert:] what's
[Jane:] have to describe and
[Robert:] Yes and the people on the ground, well Linda is obviously the, the other recorder
[speaker007:] Yeah
[Robert:] and you're obviously
[Iris:] I'm hoping that Wendy 's going to be
[Jane:] Oh
[Iris:] at Glasgow, yes
[Robert:] If she's going to take over, well obviously if those two come together
[Iris:] if she doesn't get a job [LAUGHTER], I hope she doesn't get a job, that's not very nice thing to say, she's so good, so
[Cathy:] You know Wendy she's so good at it these
[Iris:] she'll coordinate the Glasgow ones and erm
[Jane:] Right
[Iris:] that'll save me phoning up to say can I have a script please
[Robert:] And that for you to take them all
[Iris:] That's right
[Cathy:] Aha
[Robert:] Well the other thing that's in the back of my mind is I happen to know that Cath is just taking on a new worker
[Cathy:] Mhm
[Robert:] would she be able to... is this a full time worker you've got?
[Cathy:] Yes she is a full time worker
[Robert:] Working beside you
[Cathy:] She's full time worker and er she's a clerical typists, typist so
[Robert:] And so she's more or less chained to a desk then is she?
[Cathy:] Mhm
[Robert:] Nine to five?
[Cathy:] Or whatever
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER] because that's the other problem with people like me is, I'm all over the place all the time.
[Cathy:] Yes she can certainly
[Robert:] I've only got a part time back up you see
[Cathy:] she could certainly erm offer any, you know, assistance in whatever way... the only thing is that erm
[Iris:] She doesn't really know the theatres so that's the thing
[Cathy:] No, no, now she doesn't know any theatres and she doesn't no that's
[Iris:] Yeah, you see that's, we really need someone who's involved to be honest
[Cathy:] Mhm
[Iris:] Yeah
[Cathy:] no, be honest about that, certainly doesn't, she's there, she's certainly there and can offer any assistance you know erm
[Robert:] I'm just thinking maybe of a central diary or something, that someone would keep, someone who you know you could relay them with phones say what's happening on the twenty third of January
[Cathy:] I mean I er, if Wendy is dealing is goi well perhaps going to be dealing with a
[Iris:] Yes, aha
[Cathy:] do you feel that leaves you freer to
[Jane:] Well I'm freer to do, I mean I, I got, I wanted to be free because I was getting tied up with that and I was getting tied up with persons, but not agreeing everything
[Robert:] Mm
[Jane:] and I felt I was being spread in so many directions erm, that erm I wanted to get rid of the Glasgow coordination
[Cathy:] Aha
[Jane:] so
[Robert:] You could tell the day
[Jane:] Yeah, mhm
[Robert:] Shall we try that then?
[Cathy:] You see Iris has got an answer for you
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] Yes that's another thing
[Cathy:] and you can't say this, because I've got to say this for you
[Iris:] [LAUGHTER] That's right
[Cathy:] because you're blind Iris I've got to say because
[Iris:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] You know, I mean, I'm just thinking out loud, it has to be someone that you can leave messages with
[Iris:] Mhm
[Cathy:] so that's the thing
[Jane:] You've got to get hold of them too
[Cathy:] You've got to be able to
[Iris:] Yes, aha...
[Cathy:] erm, I certainly am worried about it, cos I can see, and see when it starts getting out of hand like this, see
[Iris:] Yes, yes
[Cathy:] when it starts going wrong you'll get you'll get going ah, wait a minute
[Iris:] Yes exactly
[Robert:] Exactly
[Cathy:] and blind people go wait a minute you know, I want to go to this and I want to go to that
[Robert:] Cos the other thing that's worrying me coming up is Christmas
[Iris:] Yes
[Cathy:] Oh that'll be a nightmare
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] because there's that thing you were saying about, the visits
[Iris:] Visits, yes
[Robert:] and, and our friend in Glasgow West Society not
[Iris:] Oh yes
[Robert:] organizing tickets and
[Iris:] Yes
[Cathy:] Remember last year remember all that
[Robert:] the only, the only date is the sixth
[Cathy:] we landed up with no idea of the description, on one of the pantomime performances because he wouldn't arrange the date and then
[Jane:] Well I mean the thing is, as soon as the Citizens open the box office for pantomime, I phoned them and said
[Cathy:] Good
[Jane:] open and book
[Cathy:] good
[Jane:] now
[Cathy:] yes
[Jane:] and what did he do, he didn't book now
[Cathy:] Oh no
[Jane:] and the first time by
[Cathy:] I don't wish
[Jane:] the time he phoned he could only get Friday of the first week
[Cathy:] Oh that's hopeless for children
[Jane:] now I can't say no
[Cathy:] Of course not
[Jane:] because we have, because it's for the children, so I said we'll do it, but that gives us an awful crush to get it in Friday the first week
[Cathy:] Exactly, and also it's
[Jane:] and he said I have to admit I didn't act on your phone call and I felt like braining him I really did
[Iris:] Surprise, surprise
[Cathy:] Why couldn't you of just said yes well you, well you just two years running you
[Jane:] Two years running, yes, last year we did two separate audio
[Cathy:] Last year we did two, two separate audio descriptions
[Jane:] He shouldn't mess it up
[Robert:] Well I think this is another case actually where I think in, in that
[Cathy:] Yes it is
[Robert:] situation that, you know, hopefully by next Christmas we'll we'll maybe be a bit
[Jane:] Maybe, maybe we'll get a coordinator who will just say I'll book the seats for you
[Brian:] It's not far away
[Robert:] Yes quite, exactly and
[Cathy:] You owe us
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] We'll, we'll move it into a position where, you know, maybe we can bring the Sid, Sid on this well as well and say
[Iris:] Just send the bill to Glasgow then
[Robert:] that's right
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] maybe, maybe it's something that which may emerge as well with you
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] if you talk successfully to the R B A
[Cathy:] Yes oh yes watch, watch yourself over Christmas it's very complex, yes because I mean the whole point innit is to have the audio description and also it should be, it should into the runs, so that
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] so that it is
[Robert:] People will have time
[Cathy:] nearer, nearer to Christmas because Christmas Eve would actually be the perfect time to do for children
[Jane:] Yes, exactly
[Cathy:] I mean children just get more and more excited
[Robert:] Yeah
[Cathy:] and, and er, Alan, Alan actually said to me last year why I don't see the importance of audio description anyway
[Jane:] Eh
[Cathy:] oh well I mean that was red rag to the bull
[Robert:] I don't think he ever, ever has, has he?
[Jane:] Well I've got people on my committee who are on R B A board
[Cathy:] Oh
[Jane:] and they, that's why we got the equipment of course and they all support it and Jim supports it
[Cathy:] Jim's
[Jane:] so there shouldn't be any problem
[Cathy:] No
[Jane:] through that
[Cathy:] The chairman
[Robert:] Mhm
[Jane:] There shouldn't be any problem, but I mean he won't... won't
[Robert:] Right
[Jane:] instruct the school to do anything about it
[Cathy:] No
[Jane:] but we might be able to convince him.
[Robert:] So what we've agreed then is that,f f you're hoping that Wendy
[Jane:] Wendy
[Robert:] is that E or I?
[Jane:] she actually [spelling] []
[Iris:] Yes
[Jane:] she actually volunteered, ha
[Iris:] Oh she's sweet
[Robert:] Would take over the coordinator and Linda
[Iris:] Linda
[Robert:] through here
[Jane:] Mhm
[Iris:] Yeah
[Robert:] and obviously
[Cathy:] And my offer of help still stands for Wendy
[Robert:] Right,
[Cathy:] because the typing
[Robert:] that Iris will still keep the diary as it was
[Iris:] Yes, lovely
[Robert:] Iris would actually and maybe what we should do is buy a diary
[Iris:] Yep
[Robert:] and I could have it a year diary in fact
[Iris:] Yeah
[Robert:] because that's the sort of seasons you guys tell me what
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] erm... and you know and that would be their kind of bible [LAUGHTER] get one with a lock on [LAUGHTER]
[Iris:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] and er, you know we, we would just have to
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] set up that mechanism that you know
[Iris:] Aha, yes
[Robert:] everybody and, you know
[Jane:] Everybody checks them
[Robert:] everybody checks with those three people
[Cathy:] Yes I think so
[Robert:] I mean in a way the purse thing is a bit more... distant
[Jane:] A slight more distant, yes
[Robert:] but non the less if you're
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] I mean you're still gonna have a
[Jane:] But Stirling isn't for instance, they'll want to consider their pantomime again
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] Yeah, yeah, so you know we need to sort of pull that together
[Jane:] It's very important for the equipment as well if we're using the
[Robert:] Yes, it's the as well
[Iris:] Exactly, yes, yes exactly
[Robert:] all by and large I mean it's almost certainly
[Iris:] it's getting it from one place to the next
[Jane:] Oh for instance, for instance
[Cathy:] Same equipment for the same blind people
[Jane:] Well come the twenty
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] come the twenty fourth of September
[Iris:] Give it to the blind and they can take the equipment
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] equipment in Oc in Stirling then from Glasgow back
[Cathy:] See
[Jane:] induction
[Cathy:] see
[Jane:] which is a nuisance
[Cathy:] now, well it's a nuisance but thank goodness at least it's there
[Jane:] It's there
[Cathy:] Yes but not they won't like you going back
[Jane:] but it's, you know, it is a you won't like going back, no I don't like it either
[Robert:] Mm
[Jane:] if we had our, our second system in each city then
[Cathy:] There we go that's right
[Jane:] Yes, mhm
[Cathy:] you can imagine, I mean
[Robert:] [sneeze]
[Cathy:] come in and use it as a centre and the phone and never thinking there that
[Jane:] yes that's bad
[Cathy:] That'll help and also for any the other coordinator unless they've got a problem because er
[Robert:] Well can I say then that Iris will keep a diary
[Iris:] Right
[Robert:] which is also the equipment diary, that, with back up from your
[Iris:] Yeah
[Cathy:] Yes, yes, it's a lot of work
[Robert:] So, right I'm just wary of the time
[Cathy:] Mm
[Robert:] it's twenty past three
[Cathy:] Mm
[Jane:] Right
[Robert:] erm, moving on, erm... audio description in Scotland, no... er since this, the last meeting, yes Cath and I have been talking about all that money, we had an entertaining day out
[Cathy:] Entertaining day out
[Robert:] and to cut a long story short, we went to see three possible funders, er funder one was T S B Foundation, where to cut a long story short I'm pretty sure that T S B er we, we have to put an application in for October I think we'll, we'll buy us another system...
[Cathy:] Only because the guy had lost his sight in Korea
[Robert:] Mm
[Jane:] Oh good
[Iris:] good [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] So you should always send me
[Robert:] Yes definitely definitely
[Jane:] Of course
[Cathy:] too late
[Jane:] Oh yes I think you're right
[Cathy:] if I hadn't of been blinded he was out the door
[Robert:] So, er meeting number two was with Geoff from Carniki Trust and he er welcome, welcomed
[Cathy:] Robert's, Robert's got a
[Robert:] us very warmly and erm
[Cathy:] Oh yes
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] and he's encouraged us to put an application in to do more, more so with the training side of things
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] you and I will need to sort ourselves on that, that's new
[Cathy:] Er we just need to get the money and
[Robert:] Yeah erm, yeah I know it's, it's writing the application a little bit
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] so that, that will be quite good, erm and lastly we went to meet with Sandra from Youth Out, fund employed theatrical fund, which was a meeting we weren't really allowed to have, and this is certainly not for the record
[Cathy:] Mhm
[Robert:] erm because I'd phoned up and asked for them, er my secretary had phoned up and asked for a meeting with her but the response was we're not allowed to meet with you, so we said okay, cos it's public money and things
[Cathy:] It'll give us the edge, public money
[Robert:] and then we arrived, [LAUGHTER] we arrived at
[Cathy:] This is good
[Robert:] where the Carniki Trust is in Dunfermline having just managed to get there on the petrol in the tank erm
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] we happened to go up the stair and er, the door was answered
[Cathy:] The door was shut
[Robert:] by this woman, who said, you know, who are you? What you want? So we said were Robert and she sort of gave me an odd look
[Cathy:] Aha
[Robert:] went away and came back and said oh Mr will see you in a minute and it turned out it was Sandra
[Iris:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] because Youth and Carniki I knew are in the same building, which is why we wanted to see you
[Iris:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] and she said while, since you are here, I can meet with you
[Cathy:] We won't talk to you
[Robert:] I bump into a lot of people at conferences, so I haven't been able to write formally to thank you for the meeting because I don't want anything on the record then
[Cathy:] She made us tea as well
[Jane:] Oh good, I read in today's newspaper
[Cathy:] Oh
[Jane:] erm on the train coming through that Esso have withdrawn the sponsorship from sports in Scotland
[Robert:] Oh really?
[Iris:] Oh
[Cathy:] Oh really?
[Jane:] and they're going to concentrate on community
[Cathy:] Ooh
[Robert:] Ooh
[Iris:] ooh
[Jane:] I thought we're a community
[Robert:] Everybody likes that one [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] Esso immediately
[Cathy:] Nice one
[Iris:] Esso, mm
[Jane:] get in touch with Esso, oh yes
[Brian:] Small flurry of ayes
[Cathy:] That the one with the tiger or is it Shell?
[Jane:] That's it
[Robert:] Tiger
[Iris:] Esso's the tiger
[Robert:] Esso's the tiger
[Cathy:] Esso's the tiger
[Jane:] Esso's the tiger, yeah
[Robert:] Put a tiger in your audio description
[Jane:] Yes
[Iris:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] so and UFAF, UFAF is, is a, in fact UFAF I felt quite pleased about in a way because we'd, we'd analyzed Maggie and I had analyzed the documents and Jane and I and Graham and I had spoken about it as well, that they are principally interested in unemployed volunteers
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] but not impulsively, but the, what I did have a concern about and I think we'll have to be a bit careful about this as we go forward is that, the audio description project is about audio description, youth and funding is about volunteers
[Cathy:] Yes, she's quite clear in
[Robert:] whilst the two er obviously
[Cathy:] Aha
[Robert:] fit together
[Cathy:] It's the way you
[Robert:] it's not quite the same
[Jane:] No
[Robert:] so it's not exactly like you're trying to put you know you're trying to put a right hand onto a left hand, but it, it's a certain element of that, erm having said that what do you think? I mean do you think she's going to respond well?
[Cathy:] Oh definitely, aha Donna made out about that
[Robert:] Yeah
[Cathy:] she said, she's very into Alan and she knows his work
[Jane:] Mhm
[Cathy:] cos he's I phoned Alan, erm their rehab unit
[Jane:] Mhm
[Cathy:] is back to back, with Carniki in Dunfermline
[Jane:] Yes, that's right
[Cathy:] so you see she sees him coming and going, she sees the blind people coming and going, so hence the kind of yeah, so is that's it
[Iris:] Oh I knew that
[Cathy:] so
[Robert:] I didn't know that
[Cathy:] so that was
[Iris:] alright, there you are, you see so that's information on giving out.
[Cathy:] Share this information, so no, I think she'll help and I think he'll help erm because of you, because obviously very committed to that
[Robert:] Yeah
[Iris:] Aha
[Cathy:] That should be quite good, but it's not enough of course
[Robert:] No, I mean that, you know, that, that all kind of gets off the ground
[Cathy:] Aha
[Robert:] er, what, the next thing that I've agreed with, with Mary
[Cathy:] Mm
[Robert:] is that once obviously there is a specialist application to UFAF, to, to their forms
[Cathy:] Mm
[Robert:] there'd be a not quite a specialist application to Carniki, Carniki will be linked to UFAF
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] due to the timing we have to apply to Carn, well the deadline for Carn Carn the deadline for UFAF comes first
[Jane:] Yeah
[Robert:] but will be considered second
[Jane:] Mhm
[Iris:] Mhm
[Jane:] Not till December it's not considered
[Robert:] That's right, the Carniki is the deadline is end of September and they'll considered it in October
[Cathy:] Aha I see
[Robert:] but it will become Carniki decision will be conditional on UFAF application, I think
[Cathy:] Ah, which is a bit iffy
[Jane:] Mhm
[Cathy:] but should be okay
[Robert:] but since Geoffrey is actually one of the UFAF trustees as well it will all quickly fit in together
[Jane:] It's all intermingled, yes
[Iris:] Oh yes
[Robert:] But once we've agreed is, once, once I've done the work, we have done the work, I have done the work with you helping me, er I've written this application, what I want to do is turn that into a much more general one and then I can write to you know maybe twenty, twenty five trusts on a more general basis
[Jane:] Yes
[Robert:] saying you know, we need a sum of money and Mary will help me with the marketing of that and hopefully after that we would, go on enough to keep us going, so hopefully by the time Christmas comes
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] I mean we'll, we'll obviously have to sort of keep a, keep an eye on all this all the way through
[Jane:] Mhm
[Cathy:] Can I say, I, I can express concern about that because I think that in terms of funding I've written A short term and B long term erm I think we've got a short term problem and
[Robert:] Yeah
[Cathy:] I speak on behalf of Playback not as Playback itself, but as Playback being part of the Regional Council that can a bit, now I was at a meeting this morning where I, I sort of absolutely had to read the riot act about Playback because they do not have a set budget whether you know this or not, they don't have a standard budget as they should have, we've fought for this for years, what we do is, we survive through crisis to crisis, now some money has been extracted from the Playback budget and whilst I have to share two bits of Playback, you know, the, the actual Playback charitable, voluntary bit, and the Regional Council, I mean they, I, I can say that they do not have a backing of money that they can fall back on, too many backs there, but I mean really I would say that I would be concerned if it was Christmas before we were ready, I, I can't help but think if we could and I mean, very, very happy to work with, with anybody and everybody on this to try and get these things pulled up quite quickly, I mean if it's forms to be filled in then
[Robert:] Mhm
[Cathy:] you know application and that, surely we could maybe tackle that quickly and then
[Robert:] Sure, well
[Cathy:] we would be in a position to have this letter because I'm getting anxious, I've written a logo first and then this long term, short term and they're connected
[Robert:] Yeah, right
[Cathy:] I think we need to move a bit faster
[Robert:] Well when I say Christmas I mean that's actually decision, I mean we can't hurry the meeting that you've had and we can't hurry the meetings one we get
[Cathy:] Yes decisions, no, no, no for the actual post of all that stuff I appreciate that, but the actual raising of money and something
[Robert:] Yeah, well, no I'm thinking that these, these applications have to be in both of them by the end of September and I don't
[Jane:] Yes
[Robert:] see why the, the second string of the trust letters shouldn't be going out straight away after
[Cathy:] Aha
[Jane:] Straight away, yes
[Robert:] But again you're always linked, you're always linked to
[Cathy:] Aha, yes cos again I'd go for assistance on that, you know
[Robert:] deadlines, a lot of these trusts only meet once a quarter
[Cathy:] I know
[Robert:] and you might get lucky
[Jane:] Mhm
[Iris:] Yeah
[Jane:] Yes
[Robert:] and get in
[Cathy:] Mhm
[Robert:] but you might you know miss it by a week and got three months, two months, three weeks at the most
[Cathy:] I just er, it would just be, I, I just, just would be concerned
[Robert:] but your
[Cathy:] you know
[Robert:] Yeah, yeah
[Cathy:] that, that Playback's left, you know, for, for a very long time because I think you'll agree and I know it was a decision taken by Playback and that you
[Robert:] Hang on Cath, Cath
[Jane:] Playback had been now been paid back
[Robert:] Playback have been paid back
[Cathy:] Have they completely?
[Jane:] Yes we have, yes, the same as the Edinburgh Society, yeah
[Cathy:] Oh well, then, I, that really takes away my short term concern then
[Jane:] Aha
[Cathy:] That's fine because that wasn't running
[Jane:] the Edinburgh Society had given us some money, that's not me
[Cathy:] My clock's going bananas you know
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] Mine doesn't make that noise now
[Cathy:] No, that's my clock going bananas
[Jane:] Nothing over here
[Iris:] Mhm
[Cathy:] Yeah well that's fine then, sorry I take away my I should of maybe actually asked the question
[Robert:] Has Jane had enough
[Cathy:] first because erm
[Robert:] Leave it there, right
[Cathy:] That's why you meant
[Jane:] You mentioned logo there and erm I think that's where
[Cathy:] Now again, can we go back to that because
[Jane:] but I think this, this comes down to the RNIB, I mean if we want a logo it should be an audio description logo for the country
[Iris:] Yeah
[Robert:] For the, for everybody
[Jane:] don't you think so?
[Iris:] Yeah it should be national
[Jane:] A national one
[Cathy:] Except
[Robert:] Well
[Cathy:] except then if you're writing off for money to places like Telecom and it's a national logo
[Robert:] Can you not have a national logo which is kind of personal wise
[Jane:] Oh I mean, I know that in America and all the different cities have their own logos
[Robert:] Okay
[Jane:] so maybe we could do that here
[Robert:] on the logo front when Linda wrote to me and said she couldn't come to this meeting
[Jane:] Yeah
[Robert:] she said I have enclosed a, a draft of a logo and she didn't, I have seen it because Jane's got one
[Cathy:] Who is this?
[Robert:] Linda
[Iris:] Linda
[Robert:] Linda had a contact who'd done something
[Cathy:] Linda had done one because remember but Alex did one way back which would not
[Robert:] of course and at college
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] say was wonderful, but I think we should maybe try and just gather them together and
[Jane:] but the sooner, the sooner we get a logo the sooner
[Cathy:] soon
[Jane:] I can get placards made to put above our heads
[Cathy:] So lovely, get it out there
[Robert:] but if we have Linda's just, just that
[Brian:] Mm, with information on
[Jane:] Yes exactly
[Robert:] Can you find it?
[Iris:] Mm, I've got it somewhere
[Cathy:] Could you, could you maybe gather Linda's and Alex's and anybody else's that they've got
[Robert:] Well those are the only two, I mean Linda's, Linda's one is the more
[Iris:] I'll give you one
[Cathy:] Oh, but, ah, well Iris's
[Robert:] That's three then
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] Three
[Iris:] I've got all the bits and pieces of all
[Robert:] Okay, well put it on the agenda next time
[Cathy:] Right, yes, please I think that's a wee
[Iris:] I can't find Linda's
[Jane:] Aha
[Cathy:] and if people could get a copy of them all before the next meeting
[Robert:] Do you have friendly relationships with a graphic designer, at this?
[Jane:] Yes, yes
[Cathy:] we could hopefully try and make a decision
[Jane:] Yes, yes
[Cathy:] I mean I couldn't care less, as long as it was something
[Jane:] must get something
[Iris:] Linda's is the mask in the theatre
[Cathy:] Oh yes
[Robert:] Not really, but
[Iris:] with headsets and erm lights
[Cathy:] That's it, that's it
[Iris:] and headlights coming, you know, the
[Robert:] Brian has something to come up with
[Jane:] Oh do, do
[Robert:] which is
[Jane:] yes
[Cathy:] Ooh
[Iris:] Yes
[Cathy:] yes please
[Jane:] Yes please
[Cathy:] because I just think it would, it's so important to get that bit, that bit goes along with the all the application bit, if we tie those two up together
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] I don't think we'll have a problem with money you see
[Robert:] Mm
[Cathy:] but it's got to be done properly and
[Jane:] One of, one of the things is the, is the, I don't know what the eye is the good thing to have in the, if somehow or other
[Robert:] Be incorporated it
[Cathy:] To be quite honest I quite like the iron
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] and I know that's a bit blind and, and I'm usually
[Jane:] Well
[Cathy:] saying the opposite, but you do have to remind people what you're doing
[Jane:] it's, it identifies you really quickly
[Robert:] Mm
[Jane:] yeah, mhm
[Cathy:] It does
[Jane:] Mhm
[Iris:] Perhaps, right
[Jane:] well great if you can get something good, good
[Cathy:] If you're not so very artistic, all but seems
[Robert:] Just need to come up with a brief
[Iris:] It was more or less something along those lines wasn't it
[Brian:] Yeah I could, I could
[Jane:] Something as simple as Linda's
[Cathy:] Linda's?
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] It did have, yes I, I mean it, it wasn't that, but it was something you know that
[Cathy:] It was the masks
[Robert:] theatre masks
[Cathy:] Should, what they were trying to do was copy the masks that you have in the
[Jane:] Yes
[Iris:] Mm
[Cathy:] Lyceum...
[Robert:] And
[Iris:] oh so it's a Lyceum over there really.
[Brian:] No, no, [LAUGHTER]
[Iris:] Personalize, personalize
[Robert:] Lyceum has just got a new logo I noticed
[Iris:] Oh don't [LAUGHTER] no
[Robert:] said can we have your old one?
[Iris:] Yes
[Cathy:] Yes, steal it, that'll be fine, I'll steal it
[Iris:] No I don't know what I've done with it
[Robert:] So anyway
[Cathy:] That's all my fault
[Robert:] so that's, that's the erm, the funding side of things Graham and I
[Iris:] We gave the money back
[Robert:] Yes Graham and I erm, spent time talking about job descriptions which
[Cathy:] Aha
[Robert:] if I haven't brought that forward, it's really irritating because I'm sure I've put don't seem to of done, so we have done some work on job description, here, I mean it's not been typed up anyway
[Cathy:] Maybe send them out rather than wait till the next meeting, aha
[Robert:] I'll send them out erm
[Cathy:] That'll be good
[Robert:] it's only draft
[Cathy:] Mhm
[Robert:] so that's done some work on that, and there's now four models for training, one is the, you know, on the job, evenings, training, there's the weekend model of getting people together for the weekend, there's the sort of summer school idea and the other one's the one that Doug keeps reminding me about, which I keep forgetting about which is the distance learning one, er we, I think this is the one he thinks is running in Dundee, that maybe help with because the idea of developing a pack which is kind of trainer proof
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] so that it could be sent to the folks in Inverness
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] I'm a bit weary about this but he seems to
[Jane:] Yes I'm a bit weary about it
[Robert:] think
[Cathy:] Audio description at a distance
[Jane:] Ah yes
[Cathy:] no I don't fancy that at
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] So anyway those are the four, those are the four models, I mean at, at this stage I don't know
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] I mean the fourth one the fourth
[Jane:] One of the, one of the
[Robert:] I think the first two though, the on the job obviously
[Cathy:] Oh how
[Robert:] the weekend is relatively straightforward, the summer school idea is complex and I think the distance is complex
[Cathy:] It's expensive
[Robert:] Yeah, exactly
[Jane:] In some ways wh I, I, I heard, I was listening to a description on Saturday at the serials and I must admit I thought to myself mm
[Cathy:] Yeah
[Jane:] we've got more work required here
[Cathy:] Aha
[Jane:] Yes, so, it needs someone, I mean I'm always hers now, sort of saying why, those, those, but you see if there's nobody to doing that in Edinburgh they're going to slip again... unfortunately.
[Cathy:] Yes that applies to hand and that applies right throughout the country
[Jane:] Absolutely yes
[Robert:] Yeah, so we need to yeah, we're, we're sort of thinking about it
[Jane:] Aha
[Robert:] but er, how you kind of do that
[Jane:] The other thing I was slightly concerned about it, if it's a slight digression is the fact that the people at the Lyceum at the Assembly Hall last Saturday didn't know, hadn't been told anything about the equipment
[Robert:] Yeah
[Jane:] they didn't even know how to put the clip onto the microphone, they were sitting holding the microphones instead of slinging it round their neck, and they've never been told about the equipment, so they needn't
[Cathy:] I see
[Jane:] I mean all of them are obviously going to need equipment explained to them
[Cathy:] They need to understand how the equipment works, aha
[Robert:] So that's part of the training
[Cathy:] Aha
[Jane:] That part, aha
[Robert:] Yeah... yeah... right
[Iris:] It's a trouble is it's an ongoing, it's a not a bit of training it's an ongoing
[Jane:] No, the only thing is the thing is the equipment is new to everyone in Edinburgh
[Iris:] Of course
[Jane:] and... once they've shown, if somebody new comes along one of the old hand
[Robert:] It'll just pass it on
[Cathy:] Of course it'll pass on
[Jane:] Will be passed on, but in this instance they all need to be shown how to work it, yes, mhm, so that concerned me a little bit, apparently because they were holding the mike right up to their mouth and it was distorting terribly [LAUGHTER] what's going on up there
[Robert:] So it's, it's the sort of
[Jane:] Mm
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] improper use
[Jane:] Yes exactly, yes
[Robert:] right... so I mean there's, there's obviously more need to be thought through on that and the video I haven't, oh I have done something more about the video
[Cathy:] Mhm
[Robert:] erm, I haven't, I was gonna go and, I tried phoning Lorne one time I was going through to Glasgow just to see if I could, can I have a, can I have a pint with him or something, erm, just to chew it over cos he suggested you know he'd made various helpful suggestions, in the meantime I didn't manage to meet him, but in the meantime I did manage to speak to my father-in-law who has a camcorder and er he will be more than happy to erm, he's also got editing equipment, he would be more than happy you know, to do the home made video that we've talked about, I need to talk to him about this because the obvious place to do will be the Lyceum on one of your shows
[Jane:] Can you get, can you give me the name erm, the rest of the through to Glasgow she was Rose that she lecturers and dramas or something
[Iris:] Margaret
[Jane:] Margaret, can you give me a phone number for her because I thought if they do that they must put her on plays with us students
[Robert:] Yeah, well that is another possibility we could
[Jane:] that would be ideal
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] Certainly I'll
[Jane:] aha
[Robert:] Erm
[Jane:] but she would be ideal
[Robert:] Let me just put you in the picture there Brian, what, what Lorne has agreed subject to what guarantees have been given
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] is that, that we as a group can, can er video the production, but it was at Perth, but in this case it would have to be
[Brian:] Mhm
[Robert:] review, erm, subject to getting on commission from the cast and director
[Brian:] Mhm
[Robert:] and all we will be talking about when my father-in-law will be coming along, he's got a tripod, he's got all the gear, it will be just that probably be plonking it on front of the ground circle actually
[Brian:] Mhm
[Robert:] erm
[Brian:] a bit like slinging a good, we could put it over the front
[Robert:] Oh that'll be even better then you'll need to talk to him
[Brian:] I mean you'd asked him to do that
[Robert:] I mean he's, he has been quite busy he's retired, but he's, he's been quite busy with this Festival, but I, I said to him, now what I'll do is maybe come and you and him and Jane maybe kind of will just sort of have a quick confab sometime just talk about what he wants, and he will be kind of happy to do that with obviously we'd have to find a drop of money to pay for the tapes, I mean that wouldn't be huge and expensive. He's also got editing equipment so it might be the sort of thing that you know like you'll be able to take it away and say you know, this section, that bit and then
[Jane:] And that, that's right
[Robert:] meet again with him, maybe go to his house
[Jane:] Yep
[Robert:] and spend an afternoon cutting it off as it were
[Jane:] Yes
[Robert:] I mean if, copying those bits onto a separate tape.
[Jane:] Yeah.
[Robert:] What Lorne, has, the concern Lorne has is, is that he doesn't want that tape, finding its way out of our
[Jane:] Mm, yes
[Robert:] hands, erm, I mean he's, he's really genuinely concerned, wanting to help us, but I mean he's obviously he's, you know, he is the union
[Cathy:] Oh yes, absolutely he's quite right about that
[Robert:] and he has to represent his neighbours, erm... so erm... so we would need to guar give guarantees, I think that would have to be have to give guarantees that the tape would not be abused, but I mean that in, in, in actuality you know, if it was you doing the training
[Jane:] That's right
[Robert:] it comes down for you and you would have to sign documents of, erm, anyway so it's...
[Iris:] that's great
[Brian:] Should be fairly easy to
[Iris:] Yeah
[Brian:] just to record straight over
[Robert:] Right
[Brian:] not necessarily on a camcorder
[Robert:] Right, well we can, we should, we should do that, then. When do you start again?
[Brian:] I speak to Stella now
[Robert:] Do you speak, do you start straight after the Festival we have a gala evening?
[Brian:] Er eleventh
[Robert:] Right, well what I'll do is, if you like, that's it... this is the erm, erm... Linda
[Jane:] Mhm Mhm
[Robert:] friend, who... I spoke to Cath
[Iris:] I'll date it...
[Cathy:] No I can't and can I tell you, I'm not being funny but I think that's actually maybe quite important, I know this is not the in doubt visually impaired people but
[Jane:] Oh no
[Cathy:] I think you'd have to
[Jane:] oh yes
[Cathy:] choose something that, a person with a visual impairment might be
[Jane:] Yes, aha
[Cathy:] able to catch not every one is totally but I mean, you know it'll be quite nice, it also be quite nice if it was raised
[Jane:] Yeah
[Iris:] Yes right
[Cathy:] then it would have a wee with it, which would be quite nice for a visually impaired person
[Jane:] Mm yes
[Robert:] Mm
[Cathy:] Just a thought, you know
[Jane:] Mhm
[Cathy:] and I'm afraid I'm, I'm not a very artistic person as well
[Jane:] When that went into the paper, that's a similar sort of thing that they use
[Brian:] fair, fair enough
[Iris:] That's what they used
[Jane:] Mhm
[Iris:] similar
[Robert:] Yes there's a technique for, for raising it, isn't it?
[Cathy:] I think there must be because I've seen it several times now and just in, in, you know
[Jane:] Mm
[Cathy:] people not necessarily anything to do with visual impairments paper you know
[Iris:] Yes
[Jane:] Yes, indeed
[Cathy:] it was quite fun
[Jane:] Mhm...
[Cathy:] I suppose it's always much more expensive to do
[Iris:] Yes you just write over the top, sort of write over the top of it and it raises off
[Robert:] That's right, mm
[Cathy:] But I, I mean, erm I suppose it's best to do it in colour
[Iris:] We've got some of the stuff downstairs
[Cathy:] colour along
[Iris:] Yeah
[Cathy:] I suppose it'll cost yeah
[Iris:] Cost more in printing cost more doesn't it?
[Jane:] Yeah
[Iris:] Yeah an awful lot more
[Jane:] Yeah, yeah so if
[Robert:] I mean it is a quite complex problem because once you've
[Brian:] Once you have a single colour it's okay
[Iris:] Yeah
[Cathy:] Yeah a single colour, ah, right, yes, well that maybe quite nice
[Robert:] Because you want something which is big and small
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] so that you know you can use it, you know, on your own, publicity material
[Cathy:] Yes something that'll look good blown up aha
[Jane:] Yes, yes
[Cathy:] to do a poster or something yes, that's
[Iris:] That doesn't immediately occur to me that it's for blind people
[Jane:] No
[Robert:] No
[Jane:] That's what I thought
[Iris:] it's like for like, for, for like hearing, a hearing aid person
[Jane:] Mm
[Iris:] that's my initial thought it's not obvious
[Cathy:] Oh we definitely don't want that cos all the money will go
[Iris:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] the money will go to sign language in Devon
[Robert:] Can I, can I have a
[Iris:] What you see are the headphones so you think about hearing
[Cathy:] Hearing
[Iris:] you don't think about sight
[Jane:] That's right, yes
[Iris:] and I think that's, that's quite, quite right...
[Robert:] Yes I mean just, I mean this is, you know
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] this is the quick we did for this, and that's
[Iris:] Yeah
[Robert:] why we just put the eyes on the front
[Iris:] Mhm
[Cathy:] what we don't want is a man with a white stick job
[Jane:] No, no
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER] I mean that's
[Jane:] no, no and we don't, we don't want a green dog either no
[Cathy:] And a dog oh no watch Graham
[Robert:] I think that
[Jane:] yes
[Brian:] A bit His Master's Voice isn't it?
[Cathy:] Yes [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] Oh no, a guide dog listening
[Cathy:] His Master's Voice in Hamlet, you know, it's just, stick a who I am on that wee dog, I can remember I can see, I can remember that from
[Jane:] But the, the dog listening to a big ear instead of a, an earphone
[Iris:] If guide dogs can sue us
[Cathy:] Aye guide dogs, I know.
[Robert:] Now er moving on erm I did phone Marcus up and asked why were the coming to London and it is something to do with television
[Jane:] Yes
[Robert:] he gave me a number to phone and I've tried phoning and I've not had a response, but I'll keep trying
[Jane:] This is a that's very difficult to get hold of
[Robert:] Yeah I haven't managed to get all of them
[Jane:] Yes, mhm
[Iris:] Sixteenth of September, no
[Jane:] The nineteenth
[Iris:] Nineteenth
[Jane:] round about then, mhm
[Robert:] Right, cos it only dawned on me cos the first of September erm the Wakefield meeting that was talked about
[Iris:] Right
[Robert:] on the nineteenth of August was postponed and it's now in a couple of weeks, so I'm gonna go
[Jane:] Is it now?
[Iris:] Right
[Robert:] in a couple of weeks, whenever it is
[Iris:] Right
[Jane:] Same one I was going to go down to
[Cathy:] Was that, what was it on?
[Jane:] Glad I didn't go down to it [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] It was about training
[Jane:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] Oh it's about training
[Robert:] I thought that was something else you were going to go to
[Jane:] Yes
[Iris:] Glad you didn't go eh?
[Jane:] Yes I did, yes
[Cathy:] Well just as well I'd, that sounds good
[Robert:] Yeah, Marcus was being quite sort of vague, but Marcus is gonna be here at the end of the month
[Iris:] Yeah
[Cathy:] Yes, by the way I'm gonna be able to see Max, I'll tell you that now because I've been dragged off to another conference, I'm actually going down to the, to the rehabilitation workers' phones
[Iris:] You haven't been dragged off at all
[Cathy:] I'm furious
[Iris:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] and Alan's started phoning me up and saying
[Iris:] And then you're flying up to Stone Haven
[Cathy:] sorting out and then I've got to go down to that conference and fly up to Stone Haven
[Iris:] Yeah
[Cathy:] that's two however it doesn't matter
[Iris:] And when are you going to get to Stone Haven?
[Cathy:] I don't know...
[Jane:] I don't think there's an airport in Stone Haven
[Iris:] No
[Cathy:] Oh
[Iris:] You're flying into
[Cathy:] what?
[Jane:] [LAUGHTER]
[Iris:] She's actually flying to Di's
[Brian:] Just drop you off in
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] I'm not coming
[Cathy:] You can see it all folks
[Iris:] That's for the thirtieth you're flying into Dave's?
[Cathy:] Aha
[Iris:] Well I'll be in Aberdeen
[Jane:] Anyway
[Cathy:] Oh
[Iris:] and that's Aberdeen airport... I could maybe pick you up
[Cathy:] Yes, let's try and
[Jane:] I'm not quite sure I've put my name down
[Iris:] cos I live in Aberdeen, my home's Aberdeen, so I'll be in Aberdeen
[Jane:] for that with the thing with the fancy
[Cathy:] Excellent I'll get together with that
[Iris:] quite right, I can easily be at Dave's Saturday, no problem, I know Dave
[Robert:] That's a Saturday is it?
[Jane:] That's a Saturday
[Iris:] Yes
[Brian:] What's the
[Jane:] I don't know
[Iris:] I know
[Jane:] I quite like to go, but erm
[Iris:] Well I'll be in
[Cathy:] I was telling you
[Jane:] I'd loved to have gone you know
[Iris:] Commodore cos that's where Tom's going commercial in Russell Square, next door
[Cathy:] Aye next door
[Jane:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] Oh that
[Iris:] Yeah
[Jane:] all the theatres and the country
[Brian:] There is the, there's the
[Jane:] I find that quite useful
[Brian:] The erm Scottish Theatre Guide
[Jane:] Yes the Scottish Theatre Guide
[Brian:] I haven't seen one of them for a long time
[Iris:] I'm staying in Aberdeen
[Cathy:] Of course
[Brian:] That was Scottish, Federation Scottish
[Robert:] There's a theatre marketing which is closing it, well, sort of shutting up shop at the end of the month, maybe
[Iris:] So do I, what I like about going home is you can get away
[Brian:] I haven't seen that for a long time
[Robert:] So we're back
[Brian:] this isn't a Federation
[Iris:] That's right
[Brian:] Marketing Committee
[Iris:] that's right, but if you're actually going home it's easy
[Jane:] Cos I seem to remember having so something a long time ago, especially the smaller theatres as well as a touring thing, you know, it'll be handy for you
[Robert:] Yeah
[Brian:] Mm
[Jane:] you know what was going to be where
[Robert:] Yeah I think though, I mean it comes back to sort of wanting to know, we're just talking again about what's on
[Cathy:] Mm
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] we need to know before it's published
[Iris:] That's right
[Robert:] you know you need to know like six months before I, I won't give up
[Brian:] And if everybody does
[Robert:] all sorts of for finding that out, whether you go through the Arts Council
[Jane:] Yeah
[Robert:] you see the Arts Council has a finger in most pies, the only way to find out through them, I mean the trouble is, a lot of it, is going to be confidential
[Jane:] Mm
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] erm
[Brian:] But then if you did it at the stage before, before it gets into the Scottish Theatre Guide you can then make your dates available or you can agree your dates and you can get publicity and that at home.
[Cathy:] Yes, cos that's the thing
[Robert:] That's the thing
[Cathy:] aha
[Iris:] Publicity is the thing
[Robert:] So we need to find
[Cathy:] Aha
[Robert:] But if, if you can find out through Lucy whether or not
[Brian:] Mm
[Robert:] that publication is still on the go, because if it is gonna carry on, on the go, we can maybe get into the
[Iris:] Yeah
[Robert:] editorial of, of the gathering of the information
[Brian:] Mhm
[Jane:] Yes...
[Cathy:] That would be
[Robert:] Yeah, right... erm
[Cathy:] cos the publicity is not just for visually impaired people or even for sponsors, it's for theatres too when they're seeing this and saying ooh, I noticed they're doing that, this, this and this
[Brian:] Mm
[Cathy:] and we're not doing it
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] you see and that would be
[Iris:] Yes that's right
[Cathy:] that'll be an idea wouldn't it?
[Robert:] Talking about publications, one of the things from the last meeting is Iris pointed out the number of theatres in here say they do audio description and I've, I've
[Jane:] yeah
[Cathy:] Oh I, I said that to you at the time Robert, I mean I'll be honest and I saw that document and I nearly died and it's the way they say it too
[Jane:] I don't suppose
[Cathy:] you know
[Robert:] I've been, I've been through them all and er there's only one or two that I've not actually had any contact with actually one way or another. Some of them are people that erm... that I've generally had contact with, in terms of starting to talk to people about it erm, other people are being kind of, what's the word, optimistic, with the truth Likes And The Brides for example, erm
[Jane:] Well we have done it
[Cathy:] We've done it since they lied about what happens
[Jane:] It's like it's like the Arkley one, I want to know, you know and the small and the one Down In The Borders
[Robert:] The one that's Down In The Borders yes, I mean that, I've seen so, another piece of print about that one Down In The Borders and erm... it's, it's not our version of audio description, so I am going to write and linked to that I was going to do a new information sheet, I found the old information sheet so I just bring that up to date
[Jane:] Mhm
[Cathy:] I do, I like, do you think I could have a copy of anything you've got to date because lying in my desk this morning is something I have to prepare a briefing note for my chairman and I was thinking about that recent one, but I couldn't put my hand on it Robert, absolutely updated on exactly where we are.
[Robert:] I don't think I've got one here, but I could send you one.
[Cathy:] Could, could you, thanks, thanks Robert, could you fax it?
[Robert:] Yeah
[Cathy:] Cos he wants it like
[Iris:] Yesterday
[Robert:] What does he want it for?
[Cathy:] Oh, well, because this video has come in
[Jane:] Of course
[Cathy:] it's gone, it's gone to chief execs
[Robert:] Oh I see so they want
[Cathy:] in the Regional Council and they now want to know all about them see
[Robert:] the back ground, yeah
[Cathy:] so that's good, because it might mean money, it means of having
[Robert:] and that's for Counsellor?
[Cathy:] Well no it's the convener, the convener of the whole region
[Robert:] Oh right
[Cathy:] like you know
[Robert:] Yeah, whatever it is
[Cathy:] No, ah, more senior than him, it'll go to him too, but it'll be for everybody's
[Robert:] So what you want then is the sheet we did a few weeks ago just about the erm
[Cathy:] Yeah, give me the update, yes and if you're just updating that a bit, if you're gonna update it then, aha
[Robert:] Right, okay yeah
[Cathy:] Cos it'd be nice to show it's happening here, here, here and there, you know.
[Robert:] Yeah I'm not sure if it mentions the magic words Regional Council, but
[Cathy:] Well you'll have to get that fitted in somehow I'll, I'll fit it
[Robert:] if, if, if not
[Jane:] [LAUGHTER] you can re-type it if you can
[Cathy:] gonna get
[Robert:] It's on the computer though, I think we can manage
[Cathy:] Oh dear
[Robert:] So erm, Advisory Committee being the next item, well we will, we'll have a word from Brian we'll, I haven't approached er David yet in Glasgow meeting, but I will do
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] and obviously Ingy will let us know when she can come and we can talk a little more about the Festival. Erm, I've been thinking that I can't chair this meeting and take the notes and things... when it becomes, and if it, the fund comes through and it becomes the audio description project as opposed to this group, and you know we will be widening out a little bit, I wonder if we should actually have a chairman type person. I haven't spoken to erm, I mean I only thought this coming along in the street, whether there's anybody sort of notable, I mean is it, is, is, is there any value in actually having a figurehead type chairman you know, sort of celebrity type
[Jane:] Yes I think it makes a big difference
[Robert:] type person who you can
[Cathy:] Oh yeah somebody could
[Robert:] push forward to
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] you know snip ribbons and things I dunno, I'm not suggesting will you find out now, but there's something
[Cathy:] yes, interesting angle
[Robert:] If there's anybody that comes to mind. I thought about Tom on more than one occasion because Tom for so many years was the voice of the royal wedding and erm this and that state affairs and things, state occasions and he only lives in Murrayfield, I mean
[Cathy:] A state of affairs is not appropriate at the moment mind you
[Iris:] [LAUGHTER] I heard that
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] They were, they were videoing for this thing and you know, they were over and some of them were doing something and it is somebody you normally and the news and I said the news and actually sort of frozen and the guy said to me, he must of actually seen me frozen there, he said it's okay, it's okay, it's nothing about whatever her name is, you know [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] I said oh no, no, he said I've to go to Brussels you know and it'll be all about, oh I thought I was really dreading it
[Jane:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] I, I don't know, I, I think it'll be lovely if you can get up a blind person
[Robert:] Mm
[Iris:] Yes
[Jane:] Mm
[Cathy:] blind actress, a well known blind is it that?
[Jane:] Was a blind actor he's, dead now I think
[Cathy:] Oh is she dead? We don't want
[Jane:] He is
[Cathy:] Oh we don't [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] no she wouldn't she's away, yes, she was away
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] Anyway that's what's involved
[Robert:] Anyway it's a thought
[Jane:] Yes it's a new thought, mhm
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] I mean there's, there's the practical side of actually having, I mean well there's various aspects of it you could have someone as a figurehead
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] who never actually did anything apart from this, sort of push forward to receive cheques from
[Cathy:] The only thing is to make sure that somebody's going to come along, because the worst possible scenario is like
[Robert:] or you could have, or you have
[Cathy:] the Society for the Blind in Glasgow who the lord lady profe
[Jane:] Oh who never turns up for anything
[Cathy:] professed person and they, she, she never turned up at anything
[Iris:] Not even the opening?
[Jane:] She never ever turned up at anything
[Robert:] Never, so I mean you might as well not bother you know
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] or whether you actually have
[Cathy:] In fact it makes you more stupid
[Jane:] Mm
[Robert:] you know working type chairman or something, I don't know, anyway it's just for you to think about it
[Cathy:] Yes, that's it
[Robert:] Right, any other business Iris look forward to the Playback send you about seven hundred pounds
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] and so Jane can now report the, now that's been settled
[Iris:] Yes, thank you, thank you
[Cathy:] That's really good
[Robert:] Erm but er
[Iris:] I thought I was a yesterday, erm
[Cathy:] Aha
[Iris:] something although they were quite, er nothing, nothing to do with er
[Cathy:] Aha
[Iris:] and to pop down to do theatre because I see Paula eat before at Perth
[Cathy:] Aha
[Iris:] and he assured me it is an
[Robert:] Who's this?
[Iris:] ideal little spot to do it audio description from
[Robert:] The commentary booth, yeah
[Iris:] Yeah
[Robert:] because when Marcus and I went we didn't actually see up there, but we could see from down there and
[Iris:] Yes, yes that's yeah
[Cathy:] aha
[Robert:] I think we'll be okay on that
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] Paul of course is leaving
[Cathy:] Oh
[Iris:] Is he? Ah
[Robert:] to go and do something in Dundee, so they've advertised his job
[Jane:] Oh
[Iris:] Oh well we were talking about funding, I've actually got an account for expenses
[Cathy:] Oh right
[Iris:] so that's what the money is about and that's where the money came from
[Jane:] Mhm
[Cathy:] Aha
[Jane:] I've got I, we're, we're going to get some money from the Ingy fund for the Festival
[Iris:] Mm
[Cathy:] Yes
[Jane:] plus, erm, plus the expenses from us going from Glasgow, I don't know whether anybody from Edinburgh will have expenses, but erm, what shall, where, where shall I ask her to send this cheque for it, I mean I still, there's still an account open for it in Glasgow for audio description
[Cathy:] Aha
[Iris:] Right
[Jane:] but I mean who was, Linda would, would be treasurer
[Iris:] Yeah
[Jane:] has she got an account there?
[Iris:] Yes
[Jane:] It'll probably be better just to get and then she'll the money for the
[Iris:] Yes that's right
[Jane:] so I'll get them to send it off to Linda
[Iris:] if we, all the information for Linda comes through me anyway
[Jane:] Yes, right, okay, fine
[Iris:] because the address she's put it on is the society's address
[Jane:] Oh is it?
[Iris:] Yes
[Jane:] Right
[Iris:] which she felt was better than her home address
[Jane:] Aha
[Cathy:] Oh yes aha
[Jane:] right
[Iris:] and I've got the bank book
[Jane:] Fine
[Iris:] so the money is
[Cathy:] I see
[Jane:] I'll get the cheque made payable to and
[Cathy:] Hope you're administering this Robert [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] and then
[Iris:] Robert knows [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] The only question is whether or not Jane has a key to open the drawer in the
[Iris:] I know I couldn't get the, I couldn't find the key for the desk, no...
[Cathy:] That was her story, alright
[Robert:] Oh I've forgot to say under advisory committee, I, this has taken so long, I've completely forgot about it. We do... when we set up this group we asked for a representative
[Jane:] Ah, yes aha
[Robert:] and eventually after some searching they nominated someone who then [LAUGHTER] resigned from her post not Clare
[Cathy:] Clearly because they nominated for
[Iris:] Right
[Robert:] in Stirling, central region, erm changed her job or something so that she no longer her, her voice
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] on disability issues and they haven't been able to find anybody else, but what they've said, [reading] despite extensive attempts the convention has not been able to obtain a replacement for this one, due to and buys us time. I'm disappointed that we cannot be represented, but sure you will appreciate position. Please continue to send papers for any relevant meetings and an attempt will be made to respond to appropriate issues, if there is any specific topic you wish to be considered, please do not hesitate to get in touch [] so I thought that was quite a nice letter seeing as I practically read them all
[Cathy:] I would also like a copy of that
[Robert:] Mhm
[Cathy:] because if I enclosed a copy of that with this response to chief execs
[Iris:] Mhm
[Cathy:] that'll kind of filter its way through into and will cause will certain need some
[Robert:] Yes I'm not quite sure of how
[Cathy:] and they won't like that one little bit, they'll amend them because they've done it
[Robert:] Yeah, I mean it's been going on for ages
[Cathy:] I don't think that's
[Robert:] erm
[Cathy:] particularly fair
[Robert:] right, I mean I'm not quite sure how Coslow will go about things, I mean the reason we wanted someone from Coslow is cos we wanted someone from the Federation of Scottish Theatre cos we hadn't heard for a while
[Iris:] Yes
[Robert:] we had Roy and then we had Simon for a bit and then we decided because it wasn't working altogether an Edinburgh person and a Glasgow person
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] erm
[Cathy:] Well I think it's very important Robert because, I mean as the charter for the arts indicated look at the money that local authorities are spending upstairs to us and really you know we, we are
[Robert:] Well exactly, I mean we have, we sort of, we, we kind of anticipated that
[Cathy:] Oh yes, so I mean come on let's, let's give them another wee push, gently
[Robert:] so, I mean we've erm, I mean I've developed a relationship with David at Coslow
[Cathy:] Yes that's right
[Robert:] so it might be that... he could come, erm, anyway I'll give you a copy of that
[Cathy:] Yes, so that I can just sort of say, you know, we did invite and, that might help
[Iris:] Where are we on
[Robert:] I mean I'm not quite sure how Coslow, how do Coslow sort of nominate their representatives like that? We asked them to put some I've no idea, I mean, did they sort of send someone like you who's... who is an employee
[Cathy:] Well for, for example Phil is our, yeah Phil seems to, to go to some of these meetings and, but mainly it's the elected members
[Robert:] Yeah
[Iris:] Mhm
[Cathy:] and it's usually elected in
[Robert:] Well Glen isn't in fact an elected member
[Cathy:] Ah, right, well, I mean she should be able to give us somebody, God there's, there's ten million of them
[Iris:] I would of thought so that's right
[Cathy:] And it helps you
[Robert:] Cos I was looking at
[Cathy:] with funding, you know, it does help
[Iris:] What about Jimmy?
[Cathy:] because then they go back Jimmy?
[Jane:] Yeah
[Cathy:] Councillor you know people like that...
[Robert:] Yeah anyway
[Cathy:] Yes that would be
[Iris:] where are we with costing and theatres on the nominal charge? What are we doing about that?
[Robert:] Er, I haven't contacted the Citizens in due course, but erm
[Brian:] Yeah
[Robert:] that was a
[Brian:] you have contacted the Lyceum
[Robert:] Have I contacted the Lyceum?
[Cathy:] Oh good we're charging the Lyceum
[Brian:] Yes
[Robert:] Erm
[Brian:] because we agreed to it [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] What was it we said?
[Iris:] Twenty pounds
[Jane:] I was gonna
[Robert:] What I just want to
[Jane:] I was gonna say fifteen
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] To you fifteen
[Cathy:] Everybody say a different figure now
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Iris:] I, I have talked
[Robert:] Are we to invoice
[Iris:] Brampton Theatre asked me how much it was going to cost, so I, off the top of my head I said twenty pounds
[Robert:] Mm
[Iris:] erm thinking that we ought to charge something because to hire the equipment is very expensive
[Robert:] Sure
[Iris:] and if we were looking at running costs and replacing things and and all the rest of it
[Jane:] that's what I'd say, yes, yes
[Robert:] of course
[Iris:] to be, to be replacing that, so I said twenty pounds off the top of my head, so Brampton Theatre have agreed to that as well
[Robert:] Right
[Iris:] and they will
[Robert:] will they pay that as a one er
[Iris:] Yeah, mhm they'll pay
[Robert:] Pay each time
[Iris:] Yeah, yeah
[Robert:] Will you require
[Iris:] Is that either side each time or is that up until Christmas?
[Robert:] Right, presumably if there was a necessity, would there be a necessity to produce an invoice? I mean what would your system
[Cathy:] Mm, yes
[Robert:] require an invoice for that kind of thing?
[Brian:] Yeah
[Cathy:] Oh yes
[Robert:] Well what we might have to do is concoct something up on a letter, a stand have you a standard charge?
[Brian:] but it doesn't matter whether it was, you don't have to do one
[Iris:] You'd do it all
[Brian:] You could do in advance or you could do retrospectively or
[Jane:] Do it as that or you can do it after three months, yes I mean
[Iris:] We could do it up till Christmas, three monthly or something like that
[Brian:] Yeah
[Iris:] Mind, we wouldn't want it every time
[Jane:] Yes, mm
[Robert:] So we need to some time
[Brian:] Too much paper work apart from anything else
[Jane:] [LAUGHTER]
[Iris:] Yes, that's right it's a pest
[Cathy:] That's good that's good
[Jane:] Yeah
[Cathy:] it just gets a wee bit much
[Iris:] Mm, well it, it keeps you being able to run it so you're
[Brian:] Mm
[Iris:] not stuck
[Robert:] Yes and
[Jane:] That's a hundred and eighty pounds worth there
[Iris:] Yeah
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] It's too
[Jane:] It's too expensive over, over the holiday season
[Iris:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] That's right
[Brian:] That's another one for Christmas then
[Jane:] double
[Iris:] It's certainly cheaper than the way you were doing it
[Brian:] It's certainly cheaper than three hundred and fifty quid, they showed up
[Iris:] that's it exactly and that's crazy
[Robert:] Right I don't think I've got any other things
[Iris:] You could of bought your own equipment
[Brian:] Yeah
[Iris:] by now
[Jane:] Yes you could of
[Iris:] it's a shame
[speaker004:] ...
[Robert:] Erm, oh I have got something else, which is music, erm, at the last meeting I said I've been talking to Simon from the Queen's Hall, about the idea of doing pre-concert notes
[Jane:] Mhm
[Iris:] Right
[Robert:] not, not actually doing an audio description of the conductor
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Iris:] and again, and again
[Jane:] Worried about doing ballet [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] One thing, one thing about it, it's crossed my mind a long time ago is er the idea of erm in the half hour or whatever twenty minutes before a concert, doing er concert programme notes
[Iris:] Yeah
[Robert:] particularly if there's you know heavy
[Jane:] Mm
[Robert:] information about a particular piece, so, Simon and I sort of, we were talking kind of fairly casually about that, but erm, what we agreed to do is, this was about the time when we first got the equipment I think and it, it occurred to me that you, and I've checked this now, that you can actually plug a cassette, you know, a Walkman type of player into either the microphone for the
[Iris:] Right
[Robert:] radio system or
[Cathy:] Aha
[Robert:] indeed into the infra red if you were using the, I mean obviously that's a small scale, probably wouldn't, erm, so the idea of actually putting some concert notes onto a tape or indeed doing it live, so anyway Simon is away on holiday, after the Festival but I've arranged Cannon principal and for him and you
[Iris:] Right
[Robert:] and his most regular blind patron who you know Mrs
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] to
[Iris:] Ann mhm
[Robert:] to kind of just get together with someone he's identified a person whose name I can't remember but he's got a chamber orchestra
[Iris:] Right
[Robert:] what I was interested in knowing in was for example whether he's got his chamber orchestra repeated their same concert five or six times in different cities
[Cathy:] Mm
[Robert:] I just, it's just a sort of an idea at this stage, I'm not wanting to take up ogres of time on this, but
[Jane:] I'm quite weary of doing it with a, with a full set and everything it's, it's, it's, awfully tiring for taking the system
[Robert:] Yeah
[Jane:] down and, and may well be just one person requiring and you've got somebody else to go down
[Robert:] Yeah, well there may be other mechanisms of doing it
[Jane:] with it and hand it out week and then at the concert collect it at the end again
[Robert:] Yeah
[Jane:] it's a kind of thing that I think could be put and take and people could pick up at the box office
[Iris:] Yeah I think so
[Robert:] Yeah, well maybe that's what we, we
[Jane:] You could pick it up beforehand at the box office
[Iris:] Well maybe that's what you do, yeah
[Jane:] Er, yes
[Robert:] Erm, you know, maybe it's something we can do in just a one off during the winter
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] you know if the SEL are doing concerts on the basis of six or seven of the same, I'm, I, I really don't know enough about it
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] and it maybe something that we can get one person to come into Playback
[Iris:] Yeah
[Robert:] make up a, a note and then you
[Cathy:] How did the home of the brave do their thing? That was to do with head sets?
[Jane:] Eh, to do with head sets yes
[Cathy:] Aha, nothing to do with
[Iris:] And that was picked up
[Robert:] Our infra reds there
[Iris:] They're infra red, yeah
[Cathy:] That's picked up right then
[Robert:] So, so there is something
[Jane:] I mean Margaret, have you been to it Cath?
[Cathy:] No
[Jane:] Margaret was at it really she said really it was not much for blind people
[Cathy:] No and I've
[Iris:] No it's not
[Cathy:] I've spoke to Colin to just to try and cope with it
[Iris:] And the crowds
[Cathy:] and the aha
[Jane:] Yes, aha
[Cathy:] very difficult for blind people
[Jane:] Mhm
[Cathy:] No we were not
[Iris:] There was lots of
[Cathy:] consulted or asked or involved or anything like that
[Iris:] there's lots of things you could touch
[Cathy:] Yes though, yes
[Iris:] which is good
[Cathy:] which is good, makes a change, aha
[Robert:] So that's the only other sort of bit of sort of
[Jane:] The other thing is I mean, erm, the, the Trone did it a couple of years ago, they haven't done it this year they
[Iris:] Er, no, yes
[Jane:] recorded they got, somebody recorded
[Iris:] that's right
[Jane:] the, the entire winter programme the next three months of programme on tape, several plays there were
[Cathy:] Not that you did, erm
[Jane:] and I think there was a bit of a up the place
[Cathy:] Aha
[Jane:] and they had they, we copied them
[Cathy:] That's right
[Jane:] and we had half a dozen of them at the box office and if anyone, I think we still sent them out if anyone wanted them
[Iris:] Yes
[Jane:] but it meant people could go up to the box office and take a tape recorder and sit and listen to them
[Cathy:] Right
[Jane:] I think they had to take the
[Robert:] Oh we did that as well, you had the
[Cathy:] Morag does it, Morag does it for them anyway
[Jane:] Yes, so it's quite good to have that kind of thing to publicize.
[Cathy:] Yes it would be good to get the Trone to do that again, we must have again
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] cos that stopped
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] I mean he was doing that before we ever started audio description and now
[Robert:] They've been doing it for some time at the Biro, Perth is
[Cathy:] Oh yes does, does the Biro
[Robert:] At St Andrew's
[Cathy:] do the Biro not do it using actors now then as well?
[Iris:] Yes they do
[Robert:] they actually use the actors who are going to be there because it's easier
[Cathy:] This wasn't, this was just a programme
[Iris:] Yes
[Cathy:] cos Alan says he gets copies of that from the Biro Theatre
[Iris:] Yes that's right
[Cathy:] I mean it's a jolly good idea it really is
[Robert:] So there are a few initiatives there, but I don't think there's been done anything on the music front though.
[Iris:] We do yours from the information that goes out
[Brian:] Mhm
[Iris:] Morag records it in newspaper
[Robert:] Mhm
[Iris:] so it's on our tapes anyway
[Robert:] Right
[Iris:] so it could go on a separate tape if you wanted that to happen, it's on a Mazda tape
[Cathy:] Mm
[Iris:] so it could go on tapes, we could do it
[Robert:] Right
[Cathy:] It's easy for you to have it at the theatre, mhm
[Robert:] to take a copy from that
[Iris:] Yeah
[Robert:] Yeah
[Iris:] Could easily do that
[Jane:] I perhaps could
[Iris:] easily do that
[Jane:] they could pick from me up here or, even send it out
[Iris:] yeah could even have some at the theatre and
[Jane:] Yes
[Iris:] Morag does it anyway
[Robert:] Mhm
[Iris:] so there's no point in duplicating it
[Jane:] No
[Robert:] so in a way that's not really audio description, although it's
[Jane:] No
[Robert:] obviously
[Iris:] No
[Robert:] closely linked, but it's not really
[Jane:] But it's always a, a joy for blind people to go to the theatre
[Robert:] Yeah
[Iris:] Mhm
[Jane:] if they're involved, yes
[Iris:] that's right...
[Robert:] Right, I've nothing else, has anybody else have any other topics? Ah, good erm
[Jane:] That's rather nice, ah nice
[Cathy:] It is, it's nice most of them don't work, I've got
[Robert:] Date of next meeting?
[Cathy:] a lovely one over there
[Jane:] Oh
[Robert:] Yes I've been looking at that and thinking we'll take it, mm
[Cathy:] Its great isn't it?
[Jane:] Probably worth a fortune I find
[Cathy:] Present it to us yes and doesn't work
[Iris:] Oh and doesn't work, well
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER]
[Iris:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jane:] Maybe because it's not wound up
[Iris:] Is the mouse dead?
[Jane:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] the time of day and er
[Jane:] Yeah you're quite right, yes...
[Brian:] Can I ask just a little, it's quite a big question actually, I don't know if anybody will answer it. Is there any research
[Jane:] Probably not
[Brian:] on the size or the whereabouts of the potential markets that we have as a theatre?
[Robert:] Well this is something that we have talked about
[Brian:] I mean we touched on how we're going to reach some, but is there any
[Robert:] this is something we've, we've talked about and in fact Lucy and I have talked about it
[Brian:] Mhm
[Robert:] actually we, mm, at some length and had a few ideas, erm I've got an appointment with someone at the Arts Council in a couple of weeks that the Arts Council's got a new fund called erm... consultants in research and I thought I'd make a bid to see if we can get someone
[Cathy:] Mhm
[Robert:] to research this audience and ways of getting to it
[Cathy:] Mhm
[Iris:] Mhm
[Jane:] Presumably you know roughly how many people are, are already
[Cathy:] If you look at the number on the register, I've got three and a half thousand
[Iris:] Already we can give you these numbers I mean we've got
[Cathy:] Yeah, but that doesn't mean anything if you're getting ten people turning up
[Iris:] It doesn't mean anything
[Brian:] No, but it means, it means that we know how we've got to gear up
[Iris:] Yes
[Cathy:] Yes to a lot of things
[Jane:] I think what we needs is a
[Brian:] What we're ready to pitch that sort of thing
[Cathy:] That's right, I think what means something is this overall figure and then erm a kind of er an information giving part which points out that what, you know, what seventy five per cent of my twelve thousand had over sixty five
[Brian:] Mm
[Cathy:] fifty per cent over seventy five
[Robert:] Mhm
[Cathy:] but a piece of research would be very good because that would help in honesty when you're trying to get erm organized with er transport and things
[Robert:] Yeah
[Jane:] That's why we're saying transport important because the majority of people are over seventy five
[Brian:] Sure, but it also goes down to do with erm, matinee and doing the evening performance
[Cathy:] But what, that's right
[Iris:] Yes, what should, aha
[Cathy:] and there's also
[Iris:] that's right and there's also people who have been to the theatre before that's not an audience who have
[Cathy:] Yes, no, oh no
[Brian:] And the audience, yeah
[Cathy:] and it's not like the deaf audience had, had dealing with the have a hearing audience, yes that are older, but the deaf audience which is very young, but other audiences and people who have lost their sight
[Iris:] Yes
[Cathy:] have been to theatre
[Robert:] Mhm
[Cathy:] and who really, could, yeah
[Iris:] Who have once enjoyed the theatre, yes
[Robert:] The sort of thing is
[Iris:] it's bringing them back
[Robert:] Yeah, the sort of thing Lucy and I were talking about earlier is, it was just before I went on holiday so my memory is kind of hazy, it's one where I was going to see the Arts Council and see if they were interested in the idea if they work
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] you know this is the initial chat if they're interested, you know, you suddenly put paper and go back to Lucy and say okay, let's write this down
[Iris:] Right, right
[Robert:] but I mean it was things like doing questionnaires maybe telephone question phoning people up you know that your three and a half, well not all of them but an example
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] and she seemed fairly confident about her questionnaire in developing the right question in questionnaire, but I suppose that would be in conjunction with people like you
[Brian:] Mm
[Iris:] Yes
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] erm to, to sort of engage a response. It was, it was as much to do with what kind of things would you like to see
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] listen to
[Cathy:] Yes, cos that's the other bit isn't it? Aha
[Robert:] as, as, it's the choice aspect of it as well as the sort of, if there was an audio description would you go and you know
[Jane:] Mhm
[Robert:] what kind of things do you want to have audio described, so there are, I mean there's still quite a bit, but she got quite excited about the idea of involving one of the proper, well not proper, one of the, you know, official professional market research firms, as well in terms of doing this work, maybe, maybe getting money from the Arts Council to actually pay them
[Iris:] Mhm
[Robert:] to do it, although, whether they have this appropriate kind of sensitivity of not I don't know
[Jane:] No, mhm
[Robert:] so it, it is a sort of it's a kind of sort of liveish topic it's sort of in one of those stages where it's not actually happening yet because a
[Jane:] But I mean erm, I mean it it's blatantly obviously at this
[Cathy:] I think there's a, there's
[Jane:] point your thinking how can we get people involved.
[Cathy:] How can we get the people, yeah.
[Jane:] I mean I worked at, as an open afternoon or something where we invite like into the theatre
[Iris:] Yes
[Jane:] find out what, feel around the theatre,
[Iris:] Yes
[Jane:] get onto the stage, feel a set, talk to some of the actors
[Robert:] Talk to the costume people
[Jane:] talk to the costume people you know, talk about make up because a lot of
[Cathy:] Yes, cos remember at the beginning of all this audio description lots a chat about including all that
[Jane:] That's right
[Cathy:] I was horrified because you know it's like bringing blind people in, doing all this, but something like that, open day, whatever, that'll be wonderful
[Jane:] That would
[Cathy:] that'll be great fun
[Iris:] Yeah
[Cathy:] would encourage people to
[Robert:] Mhm
[Iris:] That's right, if you're organizing something like that and thinking about it from now, this is only the first of September, but
[Jane:] Yes
[Iris:] Newspeak's already out
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] That's right
[Iris:] so the only, the... that the easiest way for me to do
[Jane:] Playback's out yeah
[Iris:] Playback's out as well, the easiest way for us to get to people is through these
[Robert:] Mhm
[Iris:] tapes
[Jane:] Tapes
[Iris:] now the next one doesn't go out until October so you would have to have something in November
[Robert:] Mhm
[Iris:] to give people time to organize it
[Cathy:] I think yeah two, two months ahead
[Robert:] That would be okay, I mean
[Cathy:] to let you mention it once
[Iris:] two months ahead
[Cathy:] let you mention it again
[Iris:] at least two months ahead
[Cathy:] and go on about it again
[Iris:] so if you had a date in November that you could give me, time to get people together
[Robert:] Mhm
[Iris:] I have a huge group of people who meet the first Thursday in every month
[Cathy:] Aha
[Iris:] so even to get them there
[Jane:] Yes
[Cathy:] That would help a lot
[Iris:] would be a good er
[Cathy:] Yes getting them in the door is the
[Jane:] get them in the door
[Cathy:] The blind people respond really
[Jane:] wanted to come back, yeah
[Cathy:] well to somewhere they've been
[Iris:] Yeah
[Jane:] That's right
[Cathy:] and if they've been there, people have been really nice to them
[Jane:] Mhm
[Cathy:] and it's been good fun, they do want to come back
[Iris:] I have thirty or forty people who meet once a month for
[Cathy:] Oh that's excellent
[Iris:] first Thursday in the month
[Cathy:] Aha
[Iris:] and we could get them to you
[Robert:] Mhm
[Iris:] cos their meeting could just be with you
[Robert:] Mhm
[Cathy:] Yes good idea
[Iris:] for that afternoon
[Jane:] That'll be ideal, yes
[Cathy:] That'll be ideal
[Robert:] Mm, yeah
[Cathy:] I think that's a wonderful idea
[Jane:] Yes
[Robert:] easily organized
[Jane:] Mhm
[Iris:] If they could see the theatre to see what was going on and an example of audio description
[Jane:] Get them into the theatre without a lot of sighted people to push through that's what it's like, yes
[Iris:] Yes, that's right, yes
[Cathy:] Yes
[Jane:] and find out where the, the la ladies is
[Cathy:] Where the loo, it's as simple as that, yes
[Jane:] all that kind of thing, yes
[Robert:] Yeah
[Cathy:] It's having that knowledge you know
[Iris:] That's right trying to get people together for that Japanese
[Jane:] Let them take
[Iris:] night
[Cathy:] I remember Japanese night
[Iris:] but that was very difficult to organize because they, they never give us time and, and
[Jane:] That's right, yeah
[Iris:] if you don't have two months, you can't do it
[Cathy:] No you can't, you really have time
[Iris:] you've got to have two months, mm
[Brian:] So your publ your publishing date for this is October?
[Iris:] First of October it'll go out
[Brian:] First of October
[Iris:] Mhm and Iris
[Jane:] Probably round about then
[Brian:] and then you'll need that