[speaker001:] Any plans?
[Collishan:] Well I, obviously want to try and attend meetings if and when possible, er I've been to one last week, which basically was er because I don't feel I'm qualified to get up and David got up and spoke very well actually, he was always, at the police not neighbourhood watch, er to do with the cascade telephone system which we found out afterwards, after a three quarters hour debate a man came up to Dave afterwards and showed him a memo which said this cascade system has now ceased in November nineteen ninety-two and that was the the abuse on that particular meeting. I do intend to er to attend inaugural meetings with each of the C P O s er with a view to looking I mean obviously at some stages you said to me that I would probably have to attend at short notice
[Storer:] Mm
[Collishan:] probably by going to these meetings I can pick up the be best practice for ideas which can be passed on to the others
[Storer:] If anybody hears of any neighbourhood watch group meetings, I think make sure Paul knows about it so he can attend where possible
[Collishan:] Yeah
[Storer:] Like him to go and look at the one at er the at er which seems to be a successful one
[Collishan:] Well I went to the last week and I did say that I'd like to go to that one, I'll go to as many as I can
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Collishan:] what I would like and I'm sure it happens with the previous C P O er and I have been notified by telephone and I keep saying to them let me know, but I would like probably a memo from each C P O to say that there is a meeting on this particular night.
[speaker001:] Do you mean inaugural meetings
[Collishan:] Well an any meetings really because I think if I can er show my face at these meetings it might er I mean I think whether or not it's because of the increase in burglaries or whether it's because of the publicity via David we seem to have had er a hell of a lot of er enquiries about the schemes. More than normal Tracy ain't it?
[speaker001:] Yeah I think so Yeah
[Storer:] Okay er
[Jeffery:] It's amazing that he's
[speaker001:] What you saying that for Jed, how long you been saying that for?
[Jeffery:] Yeah I know, but there has ain't there, you know but I say that and I live in an area where there's not a neighbourhood watch scheme and I ain't setting one up to until I retire
[speaker001:] As crime goes up, people see it as a way of protecting their property don't they Yes seventeen per cent of reported crime is up mm
[Mills:] Erm, may I make a comment on neighbourhood watch, I went to er a job the other day, it was a theatre, I was off duty and er I got tapped on the shoulder by my local neighbourhood watch co-ordinator who said, nine months ago I resigned, I wrote a letter to headquarters, I wrote a letter to the divisional commander, and I wrote a letter to the local constable, and nobody's replied to me and they still keep sending me papers are you gonna get your act together, now I I have brought this up before, we never ever have let a neighbourhood watch scheme lapse, it's nothing to do with you, this is all before you came
[speaker001:] no Er we just kept them on and there's I know quite a few schemes have stopped working but we've still got them written down somewhere probably now we started it might be well worth while g getting rid of some of these schemes that aren't operating Are you saying then that when one's lapsed for six months or over a given period of time we should actually go out there and remove the signs
[Mills:] Yeah
[Stone:] Well that's one of my next questions because I think it's debatable either way, a a lot of people and I'm finding this just want to be in a neighbourhood watch scheme to take advantage of insurance er and also to have the sign up once the signs are up and they got insurance they're not bothered, and you can tell that by the er gist of the conversation on the telephone. The other the other thing is I've discussed this with C P Os as regards the signs, if a scheme folds then we take the sign down, there are arguments for and against,
[speaker001:] No No
[Stone:] say yeh or nay at the moment
[speaker001:] No
[Stone:] But if the sign's left up surely that's erm
[speaker001:] deterrent
[Stone:] towards crime prevention on the other hand it might make some people realise that if they're no longer a scheme then they don't get the er the
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Williams:] Once a co-ordinator's retired or resigned who do you actually communicate with to find out if the group wants to continue playing
[Stone:] Well it should be in the file and I asked for this and keep it before me when a scheme is set up, A we have a map which I must have sent out letters,
[speaker001:] em
[Stone:] I've received very few replies so the signs can be erected and B either a deputy co-ordinator or the deputies that should come in, now some some oblige a lot of them don't
[Storer:] Right well let's find one or two of these schemes that appear to have lapsed, send some letters to the names in the file, if we don't get any positive response within a couple of months, let's go and take the signs down er and then wait for the squeals We'll do it ourselves, although the council are the only people who can put them up anyone can take them down,
[speaker001:] All you need is a pair of wire cutters
[Storer:] wire cutters and we'll have them down, have 'em back here, and they won't be wasted, cos although you can't use the straps again we're always short of fronts because of damage cos you can regularly replace the fronts but not the straps
[speaker001:] Well we can buy straps, or always order some more straps if that's the case Yes
[Mills:] It'll also if we start to take action provoke somebody else to take over the schemes,
[speaker001:] Well that's right
[Mills:] At the moment nobody's interested
[Storer:] But I think we need to prove that we've actually communicated with quite a few people to say that if we don't hear from you in two months then I'm afraid the scheme will lapse.
[speaker001:] Is that down to us or should we notify the division to make contact
[Storer:] No if if we notify the division after the end of it
[Collishan:] We can only write to people we know it might well be twenty out of thirty houses wanted
[speaker001:] Well I think you'll find, but they might be more up to date than Mike Well then, in that case let's send a copy letter to the local station I think so for their information [sniff] I intend o go through all the files in due course, I mean it's Well
[Stone:] It its a big task, em er the thing is that I think that that the first point of call is one is that we get the questionnaire out and see whether you know the one where can we can the questionnaires to all the neighbourhood watch is it,w w we prepare the questionnaire and we get on and send it out, right. Depending on the replies from them in relation to those that have lapsed we then send a second letter to them saying is there anybody that will take over the scheme, if not, right we we intend to remove the signs from the er from the area and then if there is no reply to this letter within fourteen days we you know we'll come and remove the signs.
[speaker001:] I think there's a lot of them
[Williams:] That trawl will bring out a couple of dozen schemes that have totally lapsed, and people will write snotty letters saying I've told you this once before.
[speaker001:] Mm yeah
[Williams:] So great, let's communicate with any other deputies and say if you're not prepared to take it over we'll close the we're afraid the scheme will have to close down.
[speaker001:] And
[Williams:] And remove the signs
[Stone:] And any claim and and please inform your insurance companies,
[Williams:] And depending on the area we'll give a photocopy of the map and Derek will fetch 'em in, Derek can take them down.
[speaker001:] Who'll doing No
[Collishan:] We have that many er applications I mean I've just gone through A division and I've got er a pile of cards literally an inch thick with people a made an initial inquiry or b they've been furnished with questionnaires and not been returned, so I'm sending those er right through the divisions
[speaker001:] Mm
[Collishan:] That's the task of the moment, in between the everyday work.
[speaker001:] Mm, yeah
[Collishan:] Then of course there's this insurance thing to do as well when David's er free and sorted out
[speaker001:] Yeah well it's a lot of that Yeah, at least we'll end up with a scheme that's up-to-date and accurate Yeah
[Collishan:] Well we could also from that by photocopying the er the addresses erm and sending these letters out we might well get updated on the schemes anyway
[speaker001:] That er a scheme isn't operating What about computerisation of the system to come back to us every twelve months if no contact Eventually, yes. Eventually yes. I think we only want to be on the mainframe so that the divisions can access details in the middle of the night. I think we still have priority at the moment to computers, in effect Paul is going to We might as well
[Collishan:] I still think we have to have the system as such, perhaps not so intricate, but certainly keep the file probably with the bits in
[speaker001:] We might, cos you won't be able to put maps and things on them Eh But certainly the main co-ordinators er
[Stone:] Almost like the burglar alarm you just have scheme, head co-ordinators, you know deputy co-ordinator, number of 'ouses and that just a basic so you go in
[Collishan:] We we don't want really is street co-ordinators because
[speaker001:] No
[Collishan:] that'd be a mammoth task
[Stone:] If you have somebody like somewhere like that
[Collishan:] I'm not talking about that, I'm now talking about Tollerton but it's eight hundred properties, it's a small village but there are twenty seven street co-ordinators, so you know
[Stone:] Erm yeah so say all you need is just access to that field so if they do change you can just
[Mills:] At the moment you do I take it you're recording people who sort of ring up say I'm interested you send out a package to them you record them
[speaker001:] Yes
[Mills:] I would think about giving up that, send the package out and forget about them
[Collishan:] Well, this is something I've just done myself
[Mills:] Yeah
[Collishan:] but I mean you send the package out and you get a phone call er it's Mr Davies, and then you get card out and then you send him the questionnaire it's merely a record duplicated on the form but it's, I can't see any other way to do it at the moment, I mean probably when I
[Mills:] Yeah
[Collishan:] think about it, but
[speaker001:] I mean you don't start a file at that stage do you?
[Collishan:] No just a card in er a pending tray and that's it
[Mills:] So you know who they are, yeah
[Collishan:] Er a sheet of paper for Tracy to get the initial erm out and then they just go through the system
[Stone:] And you also get sometimes two people off the same street
[Collishan:] Well that's it
[Stone:] It's just a reference they want you Mr Smith two doors away
[Collishan:] Well I've had one for Basingfield or Basingfield
[speaker001:] Oh I spoke to her, yeah
[Collishan:] yeah, I've had three applications all for the it's only a small village albeit it's spread
[speaker001:] and that's a
[Collishan:] You know for the er village
[speaker001:] Well have you spoken to Sergeant to alleviate all the paperwork, and yeah yeah and incur any additional expense Three three farms and there's only te ten properties altogether in about two hundred yards
[Collishan:] But they're building some more aren't they, building another seven
[speaker001:] Building some, yeah building some massive houses there and a Happy Eater as well
[Collishan:] Well that's it Do they include that in the scheme, some of them on the rate, I won't bother with that anyway it's not our problem
[speaker001:] yeah Okay anybody
[Hadfield:] I've got one I meant to put on the main agenda and I forgot, and I wrote the agenda. I've been offered the opportunity by er Bob in training er in force have taken this on er the tactical unit have taken it on, the chance of er one day erm assessment or appraisal training, at erm probably at Exeter for those of us that do it and erm I think that perhaps with the the way that the diverse way that our staff's spread out the proper ways of assessing people which I've I've never been shown how to do and I don't think many of us have. Erm I mean he it sort of went through our staff inspector wise and er Paul was sort of chatting, and he wasn't being unkind he said yes, they'll be dinosaurs because it's a long time since you've had er any training like that.
[Stone:] What about civilian staff, I have to assess my staff, I haven't had no training.
[speaker001:] yeah, yeah right, yeah
[Hadfield:] I also said that erm my I expressed that the fears that I expressed at this meeting last time about er the fact that Paul and I now supervise civilian staff, er which I've never been sat down and told what the civilians term of contract are and what I can or cannot say or whatever, so erm I feel it will be quite valuable, and brought it for me to see if anybody think it's worthwhile pursuing.
[speaker001:] A one day appraisal
[Hadfield:] Yes, it's a one day,
[Storer:] Just write it on a memo form Paul and send it round with a circulation slip, and those who feel they want to get involved put their name down, probably the quickest way of doing it.
[Mills:] Right, things are on hold though with assessments aren't they at the moment, cos they
[speaker001:] aren't they always don't they change every ten minutes I ain't got time to do assessments let alone a one day course. Yeah, that's true. I think that your two waiting for signature on his desk,
[Mills:] You haven't seen mine have you,
[speaker001:] Well why do you want one, you've just bloody had one No it's Derek
[Mills:] First time he's said anything nice about me, I thought I'll get in while I can
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Derek, it won't last
[Storer:] Right, anyone else want to bring any points up
[Stone:] Took me, took me about bloody two days to do your last one
[Smith:] Stuart is having a social event on the eleventh of March for the media and the police, I'll circulate this round with a er slip on it, erm it involves a conducted tour of the police station and some bits and bobs
[speaker001:] oooh
[Smith:] And everyone's very welcome to come, I'll let you know
[speaker001:] reply to it Eleventh of March Well it's now come under a general invited round to us all Yeah Eleventh of March, yeah
[Smith:] The on the contacts slip so you can read at your leisure, anybody else want to raise any points, Tracy at all, David
[speaker001:] About car park
[Stone:] Green vans, green vans
[speaker001:] green vans Are we
[Stone:] I'm gonna tell it
[speaker001:] don't start
[Storer:] No, I've been and spoken to them again this morning and yesterday, R S C left it there not O S D although it's O S D's van, so they should've come out to move it on Friday and the mechanics didn't turn up, then they lost the keys, cos yesterday myself and who was it, Lyn, waited up for the keys cos they were gonna move down put it into a safer spot.
[speaker001:] mm Couldn't find the keys anywhere
[Stone:] Well they were hung up on the board in O S D on Friday when I went down there
[speaker001:] Which which office?
[Stone:] In the a in the No, you know you know as you're going down the corridor before you get to the doors to go down the next set of stairs, I mean in O S D, the last one is er for the P C that does all the man er you know all the duties and things like that, and in his office there's a great big board with all the vehicles on, and the key's hung up at the end and who's got 'em out, and the bottom one is that green van, because he went up and picked 'em up, when I was there.
[speaker001:] I was coming to David
[Collishan:] tomorrow morning if it's still there
[speaker001:] yeah yeah
[Collishan:] We're not gonna put any down cos it's going somewhere else
[speaker001:] But they're gonna have to find him Erm Bob Bob No no no
[Stone:] You have to wait until all the transit vans are out and double parked put it across across the transit van bays
[speaker001:] So nobody can get in at all
[Stone:] Mm, or their transits
[speaker001:] Let's throw the keys away [LAUGHTER] I was saying to David this morning there was a on the police that was good probably terribly naive oh it says something like J R Green a number which doesn't exist and any tradesperson could have the name address type of trade and a real phone number course they would yeah You could change the signs quite regular though couldn't you Painter and decorator one day and er butcher the [LAUGHTER] other []
[Stone:] Quite easily
[speaker001:] throw, throw some paint over the back and everything paint running out the back Mm yeah detail like that Hear that
[Storer:] rubbish really, not our problem, anybody else want to bring any points up
[speaker001:] No no
[Storer:] We've got dates for the meeting, I've got two suggestions, one is that I can't see any point anymore why
[speaker001:] here here and it's to one yeah, here here better headquarters, yeah, where where
[Stone:] S thirty one, if we book it in advance we can get in S thirty one downstairs [sniff] in the canteen, cos we're only an hour and half, two hours meeting
[speaker001:] yeah
[Stone:] We can be finished by quarter to twelve
[Storer:] Good idea, any items of agenda for Sergeant, who will be organising the next meeting in S thirty one
[Stone:] Okay yeah fine twenty eighth of March
[speaker001:] Hang on He's on holiday
[Stone:] bloody right
[speaker001:] The meetings
[Stone:] coming for comments like that
[Mills:] There's an S L O's meeting on the twenty eighth of March
[Stone:] Oh good I'm in Majorca
[Storer:] Are we gonna do dates now or I think we regard the deputies visit as a special visit and
[speaker001:] Mm yeah
[Stone:] I mean I think the thing to do I mean we most of our lot are within the corridor, what we need to do is get headquarters find out when the rooms free and ring everybody round
[speaker001:] Can you organise that
[Stone:] Yeah I'll find it
[speaker001:] Yeah, if you go up to that door
[Stone:] Yeah well fifteenth March what day is it Tuesday?
[speaker001:] There there's some dates on there
[Stone:] No fifteenth of March is out. Silly bugger
[speaker001:] Wednesday it's a Tuesday Fifteenth of March
[Stone:] twenty second of March
[speaker001:] It's much easier with a cal diary Okay for that one
[Williams:] What twenty second of March, is that too far ahead? Right twenty second if there's any difficulty I'll come back to Paul and Keith cos to let everybody else know about any problems
[speaker001:] S thirty one is it Well yes
[Stone:] S thirty one
[speaker001:] Well Do you think it's Do you not think it's worthwhile booking the rest of the year's meetings or shall we do it as we carry on What you mean going to find a room I'm bored now Are we closing the meetings Yeah we're all bored The meeting's closing just before ten thirty thank you.
[Stone:] The sun has now risen the sun is over the yard arm.