[Ginny:] Got you a glass of wine darling?... Sweetheart.... Keith.... Keith, darling... wake up. Wake up.
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] I got you a glass of wine.... The sun's well over the yard arm. How are you feeling? Isn't it time you stretched your back?
[Keith:] Oh it's lovely pain
[Ginny:] You what darling?
[Keith:] Pain is just goes pain is
[Ginny:] Oh ah.
[Keith:] Mm?
[Ginny:] strong
[Keith:] Thank you
[Ginny:] Oh pleasure.
[Keith:] Ooh.
[Ginny:] That'll help as well.... It is nice isn't it?.... You alright? Do you want your water bottle filled?
[Keith:] Beg your pardon?
[Ginny:] Do you want your water bottle filled?
[Keith:] Oh
[Ginny:] Alright. Rocket! Come on. Come on.... Hello darling.... How are you?
[Dinda:] Hello I'm bloody, ah!
[Ginny:] What's the matter?
[Dinda:] Ah!
[Ginny:] So you've locked it all in there have you? Is she coming? Go and get her. Go and get her. Go and get her.... Oh there's a lot of shopping.
[Dinda:] Yes. Hi dad.
[Keith:] Hi Dinda.
[Dinda:] How are you? Are you feeling... you moving a bit better I think. Yeah. Yeah.
[Ginny:] Did you go to
[Dinda:] I haven't had time. This girl this morning she threw a wobbly.
[Ginny:] Well what happened?
[Dinda:] I was doing something all I heard was the sound of this chair.... And then she
[Ginny:] And she threw a chair at someone?
[Dinda:] I think she was going to try and throw it out of the window but she didn't have the strength.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER] What she threw, why would? I suspect she's for the chop.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Keith:] What was she?
[Dinda:] She was. And Phil, bless his heart. Phil you know he's such a nice chap and anybody who's got any problems will go right to Phil.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] So she rushed out and then... the came in and said can you go and have a chat to her. She, she wants to speak to you.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Keith:] To you dear?
[Dinda:] No not to me, to Phil.
[Keith:] Oh.
[Dinda:] But it was... to cap it all her temp started today
[Ginny:] Temps are used to it. Believe me temps get used to it.
[Dinda:] But it was I don't know what had happened. Whether she had had a warning or what. But the thing is it's an open plan office and if you're gonna give a girl a warning you don't do it office do you?
[Ginny:] No.
[Dinda:] Not if you've got any sensitivity at all.
[Keith:] Did did did, did somebody do that then?
[Dinda:] Well, we don't know what happened. All we know twenty past five she threw a wobbly and. No she's a nice girl.
[Keith:] Was anybody talking to her?
[Dinda:] Well yeah she was, I think she was at Derek 's desk. Oh well I don't suppose I'll see her on Tuesday....
[Keith:] Oh you, you've got the day off?
[Dinda:] I'm off till Tuesday now. Isn't that nice? And Steve hates my guts.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dinda:] He signed my form a month ago and, and so he said to me
[Keith:] Are you going to... take us down then?
[Dinda:] I can't.
[Ginny:] Christmas shopping.
[Dinda:] I've got Christmas shopping, I'm doing it tomorrow night. I'm taking mummy.. Steve who signed my form... so he said to him Darinda's got tomorrow off remember? And he looked at me and he said oh no you haven't. Cos we're a bit overworked and understaffed.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Dinda:] He said oh dear that really puts us in the shit and I said er... well [LAUGHTER] I'm not. And I said to Zoe for god's sake don't tell him I've got Monday off as well.
[Keith:] John, John at work's got tomorrow off.
[Dinda:] Oh has he? So what did your man say?
[Keith:] I've put a vertebrae out. It was still out when he did it.
[Dinda:] Vertebrae?
[Keith:] He said it's... you know it's it's... it's not easily done but he's seen them quite a lot.
[Dinda:] Ah! Now what I put out is my discs....
[Keith:] Well he
[Ginny:] Vertebrae is bone and disc is the cartilage between.
[Keith:] He was worried that it was a disc. And he pretty sure it's not the disc.
[Ginny:] vertebrae then?
[Dinda:] What's the worst?
[Ginny:] I don't know disc I would think.
[Dinda:] Well why, why do I, why does?
[Ginny:] that's your vertebrae.
[Keith:] That's just, that's just... that's just releasing.
[Dinda:] Just releasing.
[Keith:] And obviously what he did to me
[Dinda:] I'm seeing
[Keith:] Are you really?
[Dinda:] gentle with me.
[Keith:] What time?
[Dinda:] Six.
[Keith:] I'll try and get there.
[Dinda:] No it's alright. What I'll do I'll leave at five fifteen. Then I'll park my car where you said and I'll sit there till
[Keith:] No. I I I I'll, I'll meet you here. I will be here at quarter to six.
[Dinda:] Well I can get here for quarter to six if I leave work early but I don't want to put you out.
[Keith:] No no. I'll be here at quarter to six
[Dinda:] Are you gonna see him again?... Maybe
[Keith:] I don't know, I
[Dinda:] maybe you could combine the two that's what I was thinking.
[Keith:] Well no no. I won't be able to see him then.
[Dinda:] Oh. I mean... at six thirty. I
[Keith:] I'll meet you at quarter to six.. It's very quiet
[Dinda:] Well I don't fancy it much even with
[Ginny:] You're?
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Keith:] If for some reason I can't get here
[Dinda:] It's ironic really.
[Ginny:] Yes. Cos we're both trained in self defence then. Between the two of us we could.
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Keith:] But er... but he said it's, while it it was classic thing. I bent into the car, bent round and I. And he said the twist... extended it more he said and then the weight. He said and that can do it. He said your muscles are
[Ginny:] Should do more exercises.
[Keith:] and to find the little place itself was ridiculous. I'm going out in the middle of a field.... Literally out in the middle of a field....
[Ginny:] Well they should have a notice up shouldn't they?
[Keith:] There is a little notice there on the.... You don't see the notice till you're.
[Ginny:] So do you want another glass of wine?
[Dinda:] Nature's... nature's anaesthetic.
[Keith:] What are you eating tonight? I had, I had bacon and omelette for lunch.
[Ginny:] with mushrooms and
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Keith:] I think it was just
[Ginny:] Not very ill. Pain made him hungry.
[speaker004:] ...
[Keith:] All brown.
[Ginny:] And what about tonight?
[Keith:] What are you doing for me? Lamb?
[Ginny:] Cutlets. Cutlets.
[Keith:] Not, not a lot.
[Ginny:] Well not really. You all eat them and say that's lovely.
[Keith:] proteins today.
[Dinda:] Well you were the one who had an omelette for your lunch.
[Ginny:] We had salad last night. I offered you salad er lunchtime and you said no didn't want it.
[Keith:] I'll have salad now.
[Ginny:] No you haven't. Do you want me to make you some salad?
[Keith:] I'll do it. Why not just give me the stuff and I'll do it.
[Ginny:] No. No way. You're not gonna start slicing and chopping...
[Keith:] No problem.
[Ginny:] Come on. Tomato?
[Keith:] Please....
[Ginny:] And you've got fresh fruit for afters anyway. Erm... Paul wanted... ring spanners?
[Dinda:] Metal ring spanners not.
[Ginny:] Cheap.... Toolbox. Cheap.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Er. A four diary.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] I'll get her an A four diary and
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] And
[Dinda:] I'll probably get her a book....
[Ginny:] Oh I'll get him a bottle.
[Dinda:] A bottle? Yeah he asked for a bottle of wine. I don't know if he's
[Ginny:] A bottle of wine?
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Not Jameson's or something?
[Dinda:] No he's not, he doesn't really drink spirits. He drinks wine.
[Ginny:] Oh.
[Dinda:] Well he drinks brandy I expect but you know he doesn't really drink spirits....
[Ginny:] No he doesn't does he?... So if it was wine it would have to be something special.... Not just plonk.... Must straighten all the books up....
[Dinda:] They sell nice wine in M and S usually.
[Ginny:] Beg your pardon?
[Dinda:] They sell nice wine in M and S.
[Ginny:] They do don't they?... Don't fancy a to M and S... do you?
[Dinda:] Not especially.... I can't be bothered....
[Ginny:] The food department is very expensive.
[Dinda:] That's right.
[Ginny:] Do you want something to eat now?
[Dinda:] Mm something to eat?
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Dinda:] No... not really....
[Ginny:] Have you finished now?
[Dinda:] No.
[Ginny:] Well if all the lists say. Only one thing on the list.
[Dinda:] Well I'm sorry but I've been working. Since I've started with that I'm gonna carry on.... and I'm, I'm the one
[Ginny:] It isn't difficult because... no cos they're two... small families.... And they're one small family.
[Dinda:] Mm....
[Ginny:] I've a feeling that.... Hope I'm wrong.
[Dinda:] Mm. I hope you're wrong as well....
[Ginny:] I haven't heard anything from Jenny. I wrote to her. And enclosed some interesting bits for her magazine. She didn't mention anything to you when she phoned you last week that she got a letter from me?
[Dinda:] No.
[Ginny:] I forgot that... I discovered that all our letters now are apt to be a day late. I didn't know until the other day.
[Dinda:] What because
[Ginny:] Because they come through Aldershot and they all have to go through the scanner. They all have to go through a special scanner
[Dinda:] Bad news isn't it?
[Ginny:] . You know those white flowers have died. The other chrysanths are fine but those white daisy things
[Dinda:] Mm?
[Ginny:] have given up the ghost. Well I don't put the white flowers in with them. Spoils my arrangement.... conversation
[Dinda:] No. I'm reading.... I'm reading.
[Ginny:] Well I thought you were going to talk to me about Christmas presents.
[Dinda:] I have spoken to you about Christmas presents. I've told you about all I can tell you. Why don't you. Why don't you sit down and tell me what you want for Christmas. I mean that would be useful.
[Ginny:] Oh darling. Tut. Nothing I particularly want for Christmas. Well you bought me the new vacuum cleaner.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] That kind of thing which I don't think is any damn good at all.
[Dinda:] Send it back.
[Ginny:] I'm going to.
[Dinda:] Waste of money. How did you pay for it?
[Ginny:] Barclaycard.
[Dinda:] Good.... Well send that back then. Ah [yawn] oh dear excuse me.
[Ginny:] Oh Tilly was thrilled to bits with that little... plastic... that little plastic thing with
[Dinda:] Oh you've given it to her?
[Ginny:] Yeah. Arrived yesterday.
[Dinda:] Mm. Kept the box?
[Ginny:] No.
[Dinda:] Oh that's a shame.
[Ginny:] I just picked it up and got rid of it. It would have been wouldn't it? I can always get good strong boxes from. They're quite clean. They've only
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Or wrapped apples or something.... Did you want some sugar?
[Dinda:] Yeah, I'll come out in a minute.
[Ginny:] You sure?
[Dinda:] Mhm....
[Ginny:] I like Anne Robinson on this programme. I think she's better than Jimmy Young.
[Dinda:] Really?
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Dinda:] I can't stand Jimmy Young. Anybody's got to be better than Jimmy Young.
[Ginny:] Ah. He ain't a bad fellow.... I don't know what to do about these then love.
[Dinda:] About what?
[Ginny:] These things.
[Dinda:] Oh right.... I don't know....
[Ginny:] I'm very sad.... I've decimated the... the arrangement.
[Dinda:] Have you?
[Ginny:] Absolutely.
[Dinda:] Ha ha ha.
[Ginny:] Look. Over half of it.... There's only two in this one.... They had flower keeping stuff, you know the stuff you get in the packet?
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] And they had half an aspirin, pinch of sugar.... Lost one.... Oh no sugar in these ones.... That's alright.... Yeah you usually put sugar in those....
[Dinda:] There.
[Ginny:] Oh very sweet.
[Dinda:] No it's. I haven't put any sugar in.
[Ginny:] Poor little Herbie he
[Dinda:] In yours.
[Ginny:] he did look, he did look so sore.
[Dinda:] Ah! Poor
[Ginny:] But what Mrs... had done, she'd restructured his insides.
[Dinda:] what?
[Ginny:] She'd had to use, muscle tissue had wasted away... where it had been stretched by the... double hernia
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] and... she also had to remove part of his bowel.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Just clip it up wherever she could.... Fantastic surgery she's done.
[Dinda:] Really?
[Ginny:] She said if you're worried about him at all he mustn't strain.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] He mustn't strain himself at all. She said
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Poor little scrap. And he was trying to get round to his rear end to lick.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] And of course where. But she's done a fantastic job.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Hello!... But I said to well you know Dave and I will be in the rest of today if you do get worried.
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] check up is booked Monday at three o'clock.
[Dinda:] Oh.
[Ginny:] And I said well if you want to take him earlier.... But I have planned to shopping
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Well we were there for ten you see. We had to wait and wait and wait.
[Keith:] Hello.
[Ginny:] Hello. All showered and managed to dry your own feet? That's something.
[Keith:] Yeah I've I've got. I I I lift my legs up to my... head.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER] Wish I could do that!... He's practising for the
[Ginny:] Poor little Herbie he'd erm, he'd got a double
[Keith:] Hernia.
[Ginny:] Hernia. Mm. They've taken away all the... gubbins This is Mrs who looked after Debbie's cats. Do you remember?
[Keith:] Taken away the grobbins?
[Dinda:] Grobbins?
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER] [].
[Keith:] I don't know what... I don't know what it is.
[Dinda:] Not even, not even I
[Ginny:] not grobbins no. They've castrated him at the same time
[Keith:] Oh.
[Ginny:] otherwise they couldn't get at things properly. He's better off without them anyway. He's not a stud dog is he? But he looked so little.... Looked so raw round his rear end. But she, she's restructured his insides. The muscle had wasted with the pressure of the double hernia. The muscle had sort of disintegrated almost. She's had to use what muscle she can to restructure his bowel. She's a marvellous surgeon.
[Dinda:] It's of money isn't it?
[Ginny:] Well the bill's nearly three hundred pound.
[Dinda:] Oh oh!
[Keith:] Jesus!
[Dinda:] Now that wouldn't be feasible in your case because. So what we'd have to do is trade him in
[Keith:] Ooh ah. It's better my back. It's in my lower back. I think it's where it's been, been higher up I think it's more
[Ginny:] Being what?
[Keith:] Well I've been holding it to save it.
[Ginny:] Yes. That's why you should have aspirin to relax it. Cos it helps it mend.
[Keith:] Ooh.... I feel as if I want to... it hurts and I feel as if I want to move it.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] He's told me be very bloody careful cos it can go out just like that.
[Ginny:] But he did tell you to move?
[Keith:] Oh yes but very very gently. He said tell it you're going to move. Don't do anything sudden. Tell it you're gonna move. I like the way he puts it.
[Dinda:] So the wrestling's out tonight is it?
[Ginny:] Oh
[Keith:] Ooh... ooh
[Dinda:] Have to get with the Rock. Alright Rock?
[Keith:] Ooh Rocket... ooh.
[Dinda:] Ooh ooh
[Ginny:] Isn't it lovely? Ah!
[Keith:] Ooh Rocket ooh
[Ginny:] Do you like having your tummy scratched?
[Keith:] Ooh Rocket ooh
[Ginny:] Yeah we got there for ten o'clock and we had to wait till they'd finished all the out-patients before they'd let the in-patients. In Mrs 's surgery. There were two doggies in their pens still... sparkers you know where they've had things
[Keith:] What'd do they do? Do they keep the doggie under sedation whilst he's healing up? How long has he been there?
[Ginny:] Oh yes.... No, no Herbie's not under sedation.
[Keith:] How long was he in there?
[Ginny:] Just over a night. operation.
[Keith:] Oh he's had all that done?
[Ginny:] Yeah. Did the operation
[Keith:] How does he feel in himself?
[Ginny:] Well he was... he heard Audrey's voice in the waiting room
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER] Pretty bloody awful [].
[Ginny:] and he was whining [whine]. She said it's alright Herbie I'm here and he for a minute. And I said he's gonna do damage if he's trying to get up at the door
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] the way a little Dachsie would you see?
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] So we talked to him but erm we didn't actually see Mrs until about a quarter to eleven. And she said you know, on no account must he strain. Obviously he's got dissolving stitches in. On his insides. And she said there was so little muscle... left. It had been so stretched and strained by. But she had to do the best she could. Peter will.... And of course Audrey's not too quick on her feet you see since she broke her hip. So I was trying to... help Audrey and that and help Herbie. So Herbie didn't try and jump in the car before I could lift him and trying to get Audrey in with her stiff leg.... And then get the rug across her.... She didn't turn a hair when... she said two hundred and ninety three pounds....
[Dinda:] I suppose it's like anything. You get an estimate for it.
[Ginny:] Well it's cheaper than I suppose.
[Dinda:] Parts and labour. Parts and labour.
[Keith:] Eh?
[Dinda:] Does it come with a three month guarantee?
[Ginny:] Cheaper than princess... princess Margaret or. No Mrs said she was very lucky. She'd been to three lectures. One of the topmost veterinary surgeons in Europe.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] And that's why Mrs asked her to do it. She'd actually seen it done. Seen slides and been to lectures on it. I don't know it must be wonderful to be able to mend. To rebuild his rear end.... [banging]
[Keith:] Hope he comes out of it.
[Ginny:] Well as long as nothing breaks, nothing gets. No, now way must he strain so she's, she's got some liquid paraffin to drop on his dinner. Quite a major operation. He's been ever so bright. Walking about quite well, he did turn to lick his... under his tail but his little tail was wagging. And he was walking fine. He even stopped and had a tinkle.
[Keith:] See they don't know it's to hurt.
[Ginny:] No... no. No I think I think animals are fantastic they way they put up with pain. Because they can't tell you.... And after a major operation there he was wagging his tail and
[Keith:] You don't know the threshold of pain in animals do you?... Can't tell you.
[Ginny:] Well no.
[Keith:] Very seldom you hear a dog or a in pain.
[Ginny:] Oh you do....
[Keith:] Oh
[Ginny:] What's the matter?...
[Keith:] Odd.
[Ginny:] What's odd?...
[Keith:] ... I think it's getting better. The muscle's gone
[Ginny:] ... Do you want a cup of coffee?... Cup of herbal tea?... An aspirin?... Nothing I can do you for?... Oh you're book's upstairs. Do you want that?.... Is it actual pain then, or stiffness?... Or just that you're frightened to move?... Ache?
[Keith:] Oh a bad, bad ache. General bad bad ache.
[Ginny:] Well you could have just one aspirin.
[Keith:] I've had one upstairs. I took one.
[Ginny:] No that was ages ago dear. It was half past seven this morning.
[Keith:] It wasn't! When I came up. It was late.... You were up getting dressed.
[Ginny:] No. I brought you a hot water bottle your aspirin. When I let the dog out.
[Keith:] Yeah but I didn't take it then.
[Ginny:] You didn't take it then no. You could have another one love. It would relax your muscles....? No it's probably gone. Nature will usually tell you.... What I always found with with lumbar aches was erm... putting the knee up sideways across your erm....
[Keith:] Hello Rocket. How are you Rocket? Hello Rocket.
[Ginny:] ... Oh he's pushing hard isn't he?
[Keith:] Ooh... ooh... ooh... ooh... ooh... ooh.... Ooh!
[Ginny:] Now what do you do? Do you want to be hauled up?
[Keith:] No.... No just lie. What've you done Rock? Rock what have you done?
[Ginny:] He's fell on
[Keith:] What have you done Rock? What did you do Rock? Rock what did you do? Rock? Rocket.
[Ginny:] Are you alright then?
[Keith:] Yeah. I just had to let myself go. I couldn't resist it.
[Ginny:] Don't try and get up straight..... What are you looking for?
[Keith:] Good try Rocket. Has he been out today?
[Ginny:] Oh yes he's been. Been round the woods at haven't you? Then I went off and left him you see when I
[Keith:] Ooh. It's a good idea of yours putting me on the floor Rocket. Rocket..... face was awfully funny
[Ginny:] So does yours.
[Keith:] I wouldn't have recognized him.
[Ginny:] Wouldn't you?
[Keith:] No.... No. He looked like a muppet.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER] A muppet?
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER]. It's the eye make up I think [].
[Ginny:] Mm it would be. You've got glasses on. You'd look even funnier.
[Keith:] Oh I must do.... He likes his
[Ginny:] pulled it to pieces yet.... Well Dinda got on alright in... with her Christmas shopping.
[Keith:] Did she?
[Ginny:] She's got three or four... presents I think.
[Keith:] Good....
[Ginny:] Marks and Sparks is horrendous. Oh you've got up off of the floor. How did you do it?
[Keith:] Climbed up the chair.
[Ginny:] Climbed up the chair?
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] And you your side?
[Keith:] Yeah I climbed, I went, I came up properly. Crawled.
[Ginny:] Rolled over on your side. Would you like a cushion?
[Keith:] No it's alright.
[Ginny:] Do you want a hot water bottle?
[Keith:] No... it's okay. Ooh that's. Ooh it's
[Ginny:] It's better when you sit up straight isn't it?
[Keith:] Trying to relax it. It's ever so difficult.
[Ginny:] No, it takes quite a lot of.... Right sweetheart. You alright?
[Dinda:] Yeah.... Are you gonna go in to erm... Walton End or are you
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] gonna leave that until afterwards?
[Ginny:] After what?
[Dinda:] After your hair.
[Ginny:] No.... No. Don't back up will you else you'll slice my head off.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Well what's so funny about mum having her head sliced off?
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER] He just did. []. He just backed up.
[Ginny:] He did?... Perhaps he used his wing mirror. Like I do. That's a quite nice little place there. And you don't pay over the odds prices because it's not an expensive place to... have your shop.
[Dinda:] Oh. That's good.
[Ginny:] You go to these big stores and they pay so much in heating and lighting and staff.
[Dinda:] This er pavement's quite nice.
[Ginny:] Isn't it attractively done?... Done like parquet. Don't know who's paying for it all... whether council is... or what? So do you want to go over there first?
[Dinda:] It's up to you. What do you want to do?
[Ginny:] I don't mind a bit.
[Dinda:] Well we've got fifteen minutes, well thirteen minutes.
[Ginny:] Beautiful cakes.
[Dinda:] Fruit crumble. Oh dear.... It's a good job I don't eat that sort of thing any more.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]... erm... new era
[Dinda:] New era?
[Ginny:] Mm. This is all the ice creams.... Oh you have a bag of something in the... sweet box in the cupboard in the kitchen which you must take and put on your desk.
[Dinda:] Really?
[Ginny:] And let everyone else eat them up. They're humbugs or something.
[Dinda:] Oh right.
[Ginny:] That's what you're supposed to be having as well, isn't it expensive.
[Dinda:] Selenium? Who you are?
[Ginny:] Didn't you read it in... the magazine?
[Dinda:] You're having selenium are you?
[Ginny:] No... I'm not.
[Dinda:] What, what's it for? Is it for me?
[Ginny:] Didn't you read it in Best?
[Dinda:] No.
[Ginny:] Last week?
[Dinda:] No.
[Ginny:] Mm. You're supposed to have it. To make all the other vitamins work or something.
[Dinda:] Oh Dad.
[Ginny:] No, you I think. I think it was for you.... Oh. Here we are.... It's not that.... T H I... I, that's it.
[Dinda:] Sounds alarming.
[Ginny:] That's it, it really is a help.
[Dinda:] Is it?
[Ginny:] Yeah. Yeah.... Camomile tea okay, I don't know how many is in your packet? I gave
[Dinda:] Erm... probably drunk them all. I must remember to take one to, there the one's aren't they?
[Ginny:] Yeah they're much cheaper than Safeway.
[Dinda:] To
[Ginny:] Christmas bananas. I'm nearly out of feverfew. Better get some.... Oh I never find it.... It's in a box like that.... Then one of the girls comes over and says here it is, straight away.
[Dinda:] . It's down here somewhere I think.
[Ginny:] Feverfew... just ridiculous.... Here it is. Look.... Hold on. Erm bananas I need....
[Dinda:] Do you want a bag?...
[Ginny:] You won't manage it. You need another hand.... There's a clever girl. They don't want to open, do they?
[Dinda:] Hang on. You haven't done that very well have you?
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER] Oops.
[Dinda:] Oh mother! Hang on. Put it in there.
[Ginny:] Well I've only got one hand as well.... Should have had a basket.... Eggs, new era, camomile tea.... Christmas cards. In there you've put bananas in there. Erm... where's your eggs gone?
[Jackie:] Eggs?
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Just there. To your left.
[Ginny:] Oh yes of course. Free range.... Got lots more to put down....
[Dinda:] Is that the lot then?
[Ginny:] No Christmas cards over the road and
[Dinda:] Oh yeah I know but I meant in here.
[Ginny:] Casserole dish.
[Dinda:] I meant in here.
[Ginny:] . Sorry love.... Great. Thank you.
[speaker004:] Nine pounds thirty seven please....
[Ginny:] It mounts up, doesn't it?
[speaker004:] It certainly does.... Thankyou.
[Ginny:] Thankyou.... You're very quiet this afternoon.
[speaker004:] Pardon?
[Ginny:] Very quiet.... For a Friday and... coming up to Christmas.
[speaker004:] It is isn't it? Yes....
[Ginny:] Thank you very much.
[speaker004:] Would you like your receipt?
[Ginny:] Not really.
[speaker004:] No? Right. It can go with the rest [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] Thankyou.
[Ginny:] I don't think anyone ever wants the receipts.
[speaker004:] No. Goodbye.
[Ginny:] Thank you very much my dear. Bye bye. I hope you've got my gloves?
[Dinda:] Yeah I've got them. Your gloves and your brolly.
[Ginny:] I got Keith some rice mixture yesterday and... he didn't eat it. He wanted... come on then.... It's warm enough to have the door open.
[Dinda:] What do you need here?
[Ginny:] Christmas cards.
[Dinda:] They're er... they're in there.
[Ginny:] They're good aren't they?... Oh no that's, that's where I usually get them. In that... bin.
[Dinda:] These are thirty p. They're quite. And then robins on the front.
[Ginny:] Oh they're nice aren't they? How many to a pack, six?
[Dinda:] I don't know. Er
[Ginny:] Looks quite a lot.
[Dinda:] Ten. That's not bad. For thirty p.
[Ginny:] Jesus incredible. Isn't it?
[Dinda:] That's good isn't it?
[Ginny:] I suppose they're all alike but they've put different ones on the outside.
[Dinda:] Well they must be similar.
[Ginny:] Erm... casseroles. They probably won't have any cos it's winter now. They only sell casseroles and things in the summer. Oh look.... There's one but it's not a, not a three pint.
[Dinda:] Three or four pints she said.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Dinda:] Is that Pyrex?
[Ginny:] Well it's, it's the French equivalent.
[Dinda:] Is it?
[Ginny:] Mm. Arcal crystau d'arc yes.
[Dinda:] I don't know.
[Ginny:] Or crystau d'arc whatever you like to call it. No, she said... well she means an oven dish. Still they're very nice. I wish they'd got a bigger one.
[Dinda:] What size are they then?
[Ginny:] Two... one and a half to two pint I would think.
[Dinda:] Oh they're not very big are they?
[Ginny:] And... that's a water set.... Hello love!
[Vicky:] Hello.
[Ginny:] You haven't got any larger casserole dishes have you?
[Vicky:] No. You want the great big one
[Ginny:] Mm
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] about a three pinter.
[Vicky:] Yeah. ten pound one. No we do one like this, in this colour, Pyrex but a big one.
[Ginny:] Oh that's alright. But you haven't got one?
[Vicky:] But no, it's that one there. That's the size up from that one.
[Ginny:] Yeah. That's what we want, yes.
[Vicky:] Yeah.... But... haven't got one.
[Ginny:] Oh you rotten thing.
[Vicky:] Actually ask the girls and if they get them, go up the warehouse next week... they'll bring you one....
[Ginny:] They're nice, those.
[Vicky:] They're ever so popular. We sell a lot of them.
[Dinda:] One point five Q T it's got on there. Quarts is it? One point five?
[Ginny:] Quarts? One point five quarts.
[Dinda:] What's that in English? [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Well one quart is two pints. And a half a quart is one pint.
[Dinda:] Right.
[Ginny:] That'd make it the three pints.
[Vicky:] So you'd want the next one up wouldn't you? That would be that one.
[Dinda:] Well it's a three or four pints she's after. It's probably a four
[Ginny:] It doesn't look big enough. Are you sure it says one point five quarts?
[Dinda:] Well it says it on there somewhere.
[Vicky:] one point five quart.
[Ginny:] Well. Perhaps it's... perhaps they hold more than you think they do.
[Dinda:] I don't know..
[Ginny:] What do you think Dinda? Should I take this one? While
[Dinda:] Erm
[Ginny:] they've still got it. It's the last one.
[Dinda:] It's not chipped or anything is it?
[Ginny:] No....
[Dinda:] I've got my hands full and you've got your hands full....
[Ginny:] Three pint. See we might not get one more in before Christmas.
[Vicky:] I'll ask Gill and Maureen
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Vicky:] take that but then if you, if you really don't think that will hold what you want then you'll have to bring it back.
[Ginny:] It's a, it's a, it's a Christmas present.
[Vicky:] Oh I see yeah. Ah.
[Ginny:] Three to four pints she said.
[Dinda:] That looks... yeah looking at it
[Vicky:] I think it
[Ginny:] It's quite capacious, actually.
[Vicky:] Yeah.... I think
[Ginny:] It's a nice dish.
[Vicky:] Have you... we haven't got a measuring jug.
[Ginny:] Haven't got any what?
[Vicky:] That is right isn't it? One pint is
[Ginny:] Well a quart is two pints.
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] And point five of a quart is one pint. That makes it three pints. Why they can't put three pints on instead of one point five quarts.
[Vicky:] But does she want a three to four one? If she wants a three to four you gotta have the next size up.
[Ginny:] Three stroke four
[Dinda:] Well she said... three or four.
[Vicky:] Oh I see.
[Ginny:] so obviously she was easy about the size.
[Dinda:] I think that would be ample cos usually there's only two of them
[Ginny:] There's only two of them, yes
[Dinda:] to eat anything you know
[Ginny:] yes, yes. True.
[Dinda:] Yeah I think we should grab it while we see it actually.
[Ginny:] I think we should too. It'll be half the price it is in Boot's Cookshop.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER] Do you want me... Do you want me to drop it or should you drop it?
[Vicky:] I don't know.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER] Do you remember Jackie, he used to be
[Vicky:] another one look.
[Ginny:] Yes. And that that one holds quite a lot
[Dinda:] No. No.
[Ginny:] Do you remember Jackie? He used to be dark haired and worked in the... toy shop in Sandhurst.
[Dinda:] Yes I do.
[Ginny:] Yeah I thought you would.
[Dinda:] I knew the face.
[Ginny:] Used to go in for your model paints and... coloured marbles
[Vicky:] That's right, yeah.
[Dinda:] There you go. Long time, long time ago.
[Vicky:] All those years I was there
[Ginny:] You haven't, haven't changed. You haven't changed. I mean your face I knew straight out. It was your hair that got me.
[Vicky:] Well the grey come through and I was just sort of I thought I can't wait all those years... with dark hair. I had a friend who had long hair and she, she let it grow right the way through. And for nearly seven years she looked like an old woman of eighty.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Vicky:] And I thought I am not gonna have that.
[Ginny:] Well that's right. I agree with you.
[Vicky:] So I more or less had a crew cut.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Vicky:] And er of course it's still grey now
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Vicky:] except like this bit here which er grows
[Ginny:] I know, oh yes it always grows a dark bit.
[Vicky:] but that all took... I think, when you're older... when you go grey it's, it, you look softer and you get away with the grey coming through on white hair.
[Ginny:] Yes. That's right.
[Vicky:] But on dark hair. I mean for years when I was young I was jet black and that was lovely.
[Ginny:] Yes. That's right. You were.
[Vicky:] I never had to touch it or nothing. But when you start going grey you look so
[Ginny:] It's pepper and salt then.
[Vicky:] And your skin changes. I used to be right tanned skin. And that, that even changes as you get older.
[Dinda:] Yeah that's right.
[Ginny:] Yes well I, I was very fair to start with.
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] And then it began to get a bit darker. Not my eyelashes and eyebrows they're silver. Always silver.... Absolutely silver.
[Vicky:] Mine are... yeah, dark still.
[Ginny:] But my, I thought no I'm not gonna go pepper and salt.
[Vicky:] That's right yeah.
[Ginny:] I don't mind going silver.
[Vicky:] That's right.
[Ginny:] This is natural silver on the temples.
[Vicky:] That's right. Yeah, like, look here you see look.
[Ginny:] Yes, yes you've got a silver.
[Vicky:] I mean I've got, I mean I don't mind this but... why shouldn't you do it? And my friend she looked about eighty
[Ginny:] Yes I couldn't agree with you more
[Vicky:] but she still looks old for her age.
[Ginny:] Yes. My best friend was your colouring and she always has a rinse. It's her husband. She said I don't mind going grey but, but Paddy objects because he says it makes him feel old.
[Vicky:] Oh. But the thing is
[Ginny:] He'my colouring.
[Vicky:] also as well when you're black and you touch it up black when you're old you look hard.
[Ginny:] Yes. They usually say go paler.
[Vicky:] yeah.
[Ginny:] They usually say go to chestnut rather than keep to black. Mm.
[Vicky:] Actually I wish I'd gone like this years ago cos you get
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Vicky:] you know much more fun than when you
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER] You reckon? I don't know cos I've never been brunette, Jackie. So I wouldn't know love.
[Vicky:] [LAUGHTER] Oh yeah, I think, I think it's because I... I had that severe hair style I think, you know I looked hard.
[Ginny:] Well I was severe. I had a severe style.
[Vicky:] That's right. You always had yours didn't you?
[Ginny:] The neat pleat mm.
[Vicky:] Yeah that's right yeah.
[Ginny:] Mm the neat pleat. But it was lovely for parties with a black velvet bow and... sequins down the back.
[Vicky:] Oh yeah. I loved it yeah. Well when you go on holiday swimming. Everyone was upstairs rolling up their hair
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Vicky:] and. And you could swim, just dry it and then just pull it back. big scarf and you were made weren't you?
[Ginny:] Yes. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah it was very useful.
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Dinda:] Right.
[Ginny:] Right.
[Dinda:] We will go round this way or round that way?
[Ginny:] Cor look at that bas oh no it's fine
[Vicky:] She ain't got that problem yet. You wait till
[Ginny:] No.
[Vicky:] She's probably saying oh this is so boring this conversation but when she gets to our age that'll be the same.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Well... well she'll just she'll just go silver. She was silver when she was little so... I suppose she'll go back to silver. Anything else you want to look at Dinda?
[Dinda:] No I don't think so. It's probably about quarter to
[Ginny:] Yes I expect it probably is. Hello love. We'll grab this casserole because... erm
[Dinda:] Hopefully I won't
[Ginny:] what's her name wasn't sure if you'd get any more in of the next size up so
[speaker004:] Right.
[Ginny:] I thought better grab it while it's there.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Ginny:] It's much, it holds much more than you'd think doesn't it?
[speaker004:] Yeah, they hold quite, yeah they do these, don't they? Yeah. just put it in a bag for you.
[Dinda:] seven pounds
[Ginny:] So's... so's people don't think we've nicked it.... Mind you they... they know we haven't nicked it.... Sorry my love, you want?
[speaker004:] Seven please. come back has it?
[Ginny:] Mm.... I'm counting, I'm counting five... isn't it silly they put on there one point five quarts?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] They couldn't put on three, three pints.
[speaker004:] No, no. Yeah, that's right European import.
[Ginny:] Next week when I come in you'll have the next size up.
[speaker004:] Yeah [LAUGHTER] Thankyou.
[Vicky:] Right. Thankyou
[Ginny:] Never mind... get my hair done. Thanks a lot girls. See you again soon.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Your Christmas cards are fantastic.
[Vicky:] Oh good.
[Ginny:] Marvellous value, aren't they?
[speaker004:] They are yeah. You can't go wrong with them.
[Ginny:] No. No. Great. Thanks a lot love. I haven't left my
[Dinda:] Now then ma. You've gotta be a good girl and cross at the traffic island which is up there opposite. I'll go and see if they've got my wildlife book and I'll meet you in
[Ginny:] coming to collect me. I'll try not to.
[Dinda:] Bye.
[Ginny:] See you dear. Oh it's cold....
[Turan:] if they have two minutes. Not now, later.
[Ginny:] Last Friday you were packed out.
[Turan:] No because that... chair is there... she can't sit comfortable, hair dryer's sitting behind.
[Ginny:] But you were packed last Friday. You had got perms and heaven knows what on the go. Strange isn't it? One
[Turan:] Still... we had two ladies doesn't come.
[Ginny:] Ah.
[Turan:] You see she was on telephone... three o'clock she can't make it. Because she's going to take her daughter somewhere. It's alright for her but it doesn't suit us.
[Ginny:] Well not, not at that short notice.
[Turan:] I know.
[Ginny:] Unless it's an accident or something when you can't
[Turan:] No no no she's just going out to daughter.
[Ginny:] Thank you Turan, very much.
[Turan:] Okay.
[Ginny:] Don't know what, don't know what they'll make of all that gobbledegook.... bye bye love. Have a good weekend.
[Turan:] See you soon.
[Ginny:] See you next week. This is the wrong side, they must have rewound it without meaning to. Well you're supposed to use side A
[Dinda:] it won't tape it doesn't matter.
[Ginny:] But it does to them, because they've got side A and side B on every tape.
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] And if they haven't got... side... side one tape two following... I mean side two side, tape two side A following tape one side B, it puts them out a bit I should think... are you going up the dog path?
[Dinda:] Yeah, come on.
[Ginny:] When, when did you get all this stock of perfume?
[Dinda:] Erm, four years ago, three or four years ago.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[Dinda:] He went out on Christmas Eve, to find you present
[Ginny:] That's right, I remember that.
[Dinda:] and he got this job lot of perfume, and he said oh I can shot these out over the next few years, I said, oh if you really want to [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Where does he keep them?
[Dinda:] I've no idea, in fact last year, did he give you some last year? I can't remember,
[Ginny:] Yes, he did.
[Dinda:] he said alright, I, I, I was in trouble because I forgot where I hid them.
[Ginny:] A miniature one. I had to look in the top of his wardrobe.
[Dinda:] You'll have to look somewhere.
[Ginny:] Take it all away, he probably gave it to girls at work as well or something.
[Dinda:] Yes.
[Ginny:] Well no, cos it would be too late after Christmas wouldn't it?
[Dinda:] Probably, no he doesn't give presents.
[Ginny:] Oh he does, he gives er his secretary and switch board girl a box of chocolates and a bottle of wine and... but I do all the Christmas cards
[Dinda:] Yeah, I know you do
[Ginny:] and all the at work. Hold on...
[Dinda:] Well I got to work all day and I'm still... oh do you think, want me I can get you two I'll write you a list,.
[Ginny:] I don't have a list from him.
[Dinda:] No.
[Ginny:] Just have to try and remember
[Dinda:] Oh. Oh in that case this year I wouldn't mention it if I was you, you might get away with it.
[Ginny:] Then of course there's always, oh he left last Spring, oh.
[Dinda:] Exactly, yeah.
[Ginny:] His up in Leeds.
[Dinda:] Well exactly, so don't bother. People.
[Ginny:] And can you do a Christmas card for so and so, because he's been, he's been delegated to help me with my machine
[Dinda:] Yeah
[Ginny:] development and... mind you I like Larry... and Ken
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Well Larry's, I mean he's a genius, so he is a bit awkward to get along with, erm not awkward to get along his sweet, but he's...
[Dinda:] Peculiar.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Hurry up, be a good boy.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] No.
[Dinda:] Said garden.
[Ginny:] I don't think so when I went to let him in he'd pulled himself up round the patio and looked as though he expected to be walloped for being silly... he's taken us this morning. The trailers, the cars there, but I can't see, can't see another.
[Dinda:] Oh well now, when, when do you want to go into on Monday, just after lunch?
[Ginny:] Yeah, be great.
[Dinda:] Well, yeah,.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Well it could be after we've walked him in the morning.
[Dinda:] Walk, yeah.
[Ginny:] So long as I shove the washing in the... don't like it in there it's dingy, unless the sun's out.
[Dinda:] Yeah, shall we.
[Ginny:] If you'd rather.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Give us more freedom in the afternoon if we need to go into Wokingham instead, do you want to go that way for a change or this, or through the woods?
[Dinda:] come on.
[Ginny:] I think maybe...
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Oh here's another dog... I think... oh it's Judy's, not it's not hello, haven't seen you for a long time, hello, haven't seen her for a long time, morning, good morning... oh she's a sweetie isn't she? forgotten her name... come and say hello, I haven't seen you for ages, so him once on the, good morning.
[speaker004:] Oh dear
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Oh, oh dear.
[speaker004:] About time I did walk round.
[Ginny:] Have you?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Haven't got your wife with you this morning too much for her.
[speaker004:] No, Saturday, well she's got little jobs that she like's to do you know at home
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] and so she's not come out.
[Ginny:] Yeah. I've forgotten her name.
[speaker004:] When, when she does come out she usually likes to walk round on the flat
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] that's why I go round this way on Saturday's
[Ginny:] Yes
[speaker004:] cos I don't mind
[Ginny:] a bit of rough, mm.
[speaker004:] er, hoping over the, but she can't
[Ginny:] No.
[speaker004:] go up those slopes.
[Ginny:] No, no, I usually see you together on the or along the flat path, yes.
[speaker004:] That's right, yeah, on the flat
[Ginny:] That's right.
[speaker004:] Gotta walk on the flat, [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] I've forgotten her name.
[speaker004:] Tessa, yeah.
[Ginny:] Tessa, yes Tessa, there's two Tess and Two Jess, oh dear, walk on the
[speaker004:] Oh are there?
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Oh... But, they did write to them on the counter and that that trouble, and she said that you know, that we can walk round there you know.
[Ginny:] Oh yes, oh, the rangers say the same thing, do what you've always done.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Just somebody on the Council with a lot of, a lot of, there's a
[speaker004:] They're just a person keeping an eye, I suppose they've got to respond to it you see and then they, they were, you know, they don't come and look [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] The ranger's always bring their own dogs.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Always have Digger with them.
[speaker004:] Yeah... yes it's eh, it's just someone going awkward you know.
[Ginny:] Oh that's right.
[speaker004:] Someone just
[Ginny:] That's right.
[speaker004:] does,, he came in one day and I said that we really don't travel a lot you know
[Ginny:] Mm.
[speaker004:] we just go to out here and, or the park or something like that
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] and he said oh you don't go to do you? I said yes I go there n, most mornings... oh he said it's a filthy place, a filthy place you know
[Ginny:] Who was this?
[speaker004:] er, the man that does my car
[Ginny:] Oh.
[speaker004:] you know, the chap from Yately
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] and er, I said what you mean Charlie, cor all dog's mess all over the place, I said it isn't, I, I said have you ever been and he said no I, I said well there you are, I said if you haven't been I said you don't know what it's like, I said you're talking about some old girl that lives on, in Little Sandhurst, who's got a thing about dogs and I said kicking up a lot of fuss about it, but I said the women's a dam liar
[Ginny:] He's, [LAUGHTER], yeah.
[speaker004:] and I think it's a friend of his. Too true.
[Ginny:] Yeah,.
[speaker004:] But it just shows how, here, I said, how embarr there's no different to any other place where ever you go.
[Ginny:] No, no... oh I agree people shouldn't let dogs foul on the pavement and in shopping places and things, cos it can be dangerous, but out in the woodlands if it wasn't for all the animals we wouldn't have any green stuff, trees and bushes seagulls are up.
[speaker004:] No. No, it's that, oh.
[Ginny:] It seems, it seems calm enough doesn't it?
[Dinda:] Probably.
[speaker004:] Well we haven't got to go long for the shortest day.
[Ginny:] No.
[Dinda:] No.
[speaker004:] About three weeks
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] That's right, that's right.
[Dinda:] It's the first tomorrow.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] That's it, that's right, that'll be alright.
[Ginny:] Yeah I thought
[speaker004:] Get January over and we shall be alright.
[Ginny:] Oh I don't know February can be horrible sometimes
[Dinda:] Yeah, have snow in February before haven't we?.
[Ginny:] Yes, we had the, we had the six foot drop in February do you remember?... were cos we live on a steep hill and
[speaker004:] Oh
[Ginny:] it's great fun
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker004:] Getting up [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Everybody comes from miles around, all the kids come and the parents last year, was it last year?
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] it look just like a ski resort all the bright jackets and the woolly hats and it was lovely, I mean they made it into, into an absolute skating ring for driving on
[Dinda:] Couldn't get your car up [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Which, every, every thing went sideways, but it was such fun
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Ginny:] and the sun was shining and everyone had got pla plastic bags, anything they could get to slide on you know
[speaker004:] Oh yeah.
[Ginny:] they were going down our front lawn then down the, then down then down the roadway, cos it's a dead end you see, so there's not much, not much traffic
[speaker004:] oh I see, oh you're alright
[Dinda:] It's not, it's not when you get to the end of it then there might be a couple of.
[Ginny:] Yeah if you, if you're coming up you daren't stop the driver and there's things hurtling at ya, there's kids on sledges coming at you at about fifteen miles an hour and you'll have to try and drive around them and
[speaker004:] I'll stick to the old what they've got in California then.
[Ginny:] Oh yeah, erm, oh I'd rather have our climate I think.
[speaker004:] It get up over a hundred, people killed
[Ginny:] Oh it's horrible isn't it?
[speaker004:] it's a high death rate some.
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker004:] Funny actually they couldn't, when the rescue people came they couldn't see where the damage was because of the dust.
[Ginny:] Really!
[speaker004:] Mm, it's, it's, it's on this mornings news
[Ginny:] Oh.
[speaker004:] This dust, this dust in California.
[Ginny:] I have heard, I have read about it.
[speaker004:] This dust, and a, what's it a hundred and fifty cars all piled up on top of one another
[Ginny:] Oh shit.
[speaker004:] and there's a lot of people isn't it, and they don't know how many's dead because there's so much dust they can't see.
[Ginny:] Oh how awful.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Oh that's awful.
[speaker004:] So.
[Ginny:] I wouldn't like it that dry.
[speaker004:] No.
[Ginny:] It's the same as that place in Australia where they haven't seen rain for seventeen years, I mean there's children who are grown up now at college have never seen a spot of rain, I'd hate that... I'd rather have our, sometimes dismal climate.
[speaker004:] Well look how we get don't we, when er we've gone too long with shower of rain
[Dinda:] Mm, mm.
[speaker004:] you know the sun is nice
[Ginny:] That's right,
[speaker004:] and all that, but it the air get's so dry, that, that, you feel it wants dampening down.
[Ginny:] that's right, and when you do get the thunder storm well my family get into their bathing costumes and go out and stand in it because it's so lovely to have the rain.
[Dinda:] That's right.
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER].
[Dinda:] Get away with that now.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]... oh well, we, really the weather's not to bad, you, you haven't got to be to sensitive about things have you, you've got to just take it enjoy the lot, enjoy
[Ginny:] Yes, you have.
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Yeah, so far we've been very lucky in, in Britain I think, apart from the hurricane damage, once or twice, on the whole our climates is not bad.
[Dinda:] Oh, you.
[speaker004:] Yeah, but, you're mad getting worried to much, you know we had our green house all smashed up and everything and it's been upsetting,
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] erm, when you think about after all.
[Ginny:] Yes, exactly.
[Dinda:] Mm
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Exactly, you can't spend your life worrying about things, people are important.
[speaker004:] You've got to try and enjoy life. My wife's father er he said to me, cos he was, he worked hard you know, he had a tough life you know up in London and all that as, as a kid and that and he said to me what you want to do, enjoy everyday that you live, I said yeah, oh I said oh but you can't can you?, he said yes you can. I said but when you're doing the job that you don't like, oh don't do it he said don't do another one [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] He's got the right out.
[Dinda:] Too true.
[Ginny:] He's got the right out look.
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER], but he died soon after that but he'd realised that he'd worked hard all his life
[Ginny:] Mm.
[speaker004:] you know
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] really worked hard
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] and at the end of it, see you always think that you're going on don't you?
[Ginny:] Mm, mm.
[speaker004:] and you think oh well I'll get my prize at the end.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[speaker004:] But, but, you don't know whether or not.
[Ginny:] You never think this is my last day.
[speaker004:] No, it can be can't it? [LAUGHTER]. Go and enjoy every, every minute of it.
[Ginny:] Yeah, every days a bonus.
[speaker004:] Yeah, get, get the best out of it anyway [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Yeah, you're quite right, or he's quite right.
[speaker004:] You don't have to worry too much about money do you really so long as you can manage with it.
[Ginny:] Ha Harry, Harry Secombe is said after his heart attack there's no pocket in the shroud.
[speaker004:] No.
[Ginny:] Well he's right, there are no pocket's in a shroud and he's seemed much happier since.
[speaker004:] Yeah, oh yeah.
[Dinda:] It's a shame with.
[speaker004:] That's what annoys me with erm these big company's you know, opening on Sunday's really, because er, you can only get the money, I mean they've only got a certain amount
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] I mean if they could open nine days a week, they couldn't get any more money out of me because
[Ginny:] No, you haven't got it.
[speaker004:] No.
[Ginny:] No.
[speaker004:] They're, they're,
[Ginny:] No, me neither.
[speaker004:] all they're doing is erm, where people do it on a Saturday they, they won't do their, go football or something and then go on a Sunday, now I think it's nice to have a, a day when nothing happens.
[Ginny:] Yes, when it's all quite all the shops are closed.
[Dinda:] .
[speaker004:] Apart from religion or anything else, you know.
[Dinda:] Yeah,.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] It, I think it's nicer when, when it
[Ginny:] Oh yes, not necessarily religious grounds I agree with you, it's just nice to have one day a week where everything is peaceful.
[speaker004:] That's right, yeah, where as it's now they're all going to open up, gonna go chasing around
[Dinda:] Just be like a Saturday,.
[speaker004:] we shan't know which day, there'll be no weekend, will we really
[Ginny:] No.
[speaker004:] it won't be a weekend.
[Ginny:] No...
[speaker004:] And that it's all for money and they're doing alright, I mean they're already making so many you know, millions they're making aren't they?
[Ginny:] Well the big ones are, yeah.
[speaker004:] Yes.
[Dinda:] Oh yes.
[Ginny:] There's only one thing, it might mean more part time jobs for college leavers and things if they go to work on a Sunday in the big stores and they did, give them a foot up to start a job, then get taken on you know as....
[speaker004:] But the one's that's gonna be hit I think are, people like old Lionel.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[speaker004:] Because he, he's not doing all that good you see, and when er, he, he re he reckons on Sunday
[Ginny:] Yeah Sunday morning.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] But I prefer Lionel, I'll go round the supermarket's but I'll shop at Lionel's on the way back.
[speaker004:] We do, we don't buy.
[Ginny:] Cos I can pick out his stuff or say I don't like the look of that one and he'll, he'll chuck it in the back.
[speaker004:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] And he'll often say to me look there's a fresh box under there, help yourself to what you want, i haven't opened that box.
[speaker004:] And, and if you complained about anything, er like we found, perhaps had a banana that's not been quite ripe, he'll give you two or three the next time you go in if you say anything about it
[Ginny:] Oh yes indeed, indeed, well only last week I said do need some flowers, come on Thursday they're fresh, I said I want them now Lionel, I hate to be without flowers in the room and he said well have two for the price of one, he would insist that I had two bunches for the price of one.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Ginny:] He's very good.
[speaker004:] I think he's alright really, he, he, suppose as fair as he can be.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Dinda:] dogs.
[Ginny:] Yeah. Hello, good morning, good morning, all.
[speaker004:] Can't supermarket's gonna be open, I'll be getting their green grocery's down there and that really.
[Ginny:] Yes. [LAUGHTER].
[speaker004:] Told you it was a good idea to save throwing it.
[Ginny:] Brilliant.
[Dinda:] to it.
[Ginny:] You taking them to Wimbledon?
[Dinda:] That's brilliant.
[Ginny:] My daughter says when, when did you go to Wimbledon? .
[Dinda:] hold a racket.
[Ginny:] Good ball boy... a girl, quite right, gosh she's the same shape as Rocket. They're all good dogs, but he doesn't give it back though. He does, oh yes he does. He might he might do. She, she, yeah she's given it, oh well, we've got to walk old thing I suppose, and then go to Lionel's, get some more fresh fruit. You see they're again there you don't get it in a packet you can pick out the grapes you want.
[speaker004:] That's right, yeah.
[Ginny:] You can pick them out yourself.
[speaker004:] Yeah. Oh I, I find that [noise train] quite good, you know.
[Ginny:] And also, you know sometimes he's prices are much better than the supermarket's prices.
[speaker004:] Yeah, mm.
[Ginny:] You don't have to pay for all that fancy lighting.
[Dinda:] I've noticed that some of the apples you've been getting from Safeway haven't been very good.
[Ginny:] No, Lionel's are better.
[Dinda:] They're quite sour.
[Ginny:] Mm, well apples at this time of the year are a bit sour.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Dinda:] I'm sure Lionel's wouldn't be.
[Ginny:] Crunchy, yeah, true.
[speaker004:] I haven't had to buy any fresh.
[Ginny:] Had enough on the tree.
[Dinda:] Oh, you grow your own, yeah.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] Well I have only got a few courts,
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker004:] but in, in a month or two
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] picking and my wife can't eat much in the way of apples
[Ginny:] No.
[speaker004:] she get's tummy trouble
[Ginny:] Mm, yeah.
[speaker004:] and they say not to eat apples and oranges, er, at one time they told you to eat the lot didn't they apples a day keep the doctor's away.
[Ginny:] That's right, that's right
[Dinda:] See, I said it.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Dinda:] And apples aren't all that digestible at times.
[speaker004:] I think, and the acid.
[Ginny:] I think apples are very acid. Hello Tess, how are you. You've got a funny thing on you, you've got a think on your head, Rocket's got a thing on his ear.
[speaker004:] Ah, there's two.
[Ginny:] A wart.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Rocket's got one on his ear.
[Dinda:] Who?
[Ginny:] Rocket has got one on his ear.
[Dinda:] I
[speaker004:] Oh.
[Ginny:] And when he went for his injections I said to the vet can you snip that funny little growth and he said oh we'll wait until he's under, complete anaesthetic and then, it's only a little wart he said.
[speaker004:] ,.
[Ginny:] I didn't like it.
[speaker004:] take her and the, and the vet said the same, where that place is er a bad, a couple of years ago she had erm tick
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] we took her up to Norfolk and I think among the sheep
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] and she had a tick and we took her to the vet
[Ginny:] Hold on.
[speaker004:] And, and, and gave her an injection, and that, wart at.
[Ginny:] So many. Oh how strange, good morning. Good morning. Good morning.
[Dinda:] Hello Maxie
[Ginny:] Max.
[Dinda:] Max come on.
[speaker004:] But there's also another little one I've noticed, I just under her eye
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] er, with.
[Ginny:] Doesn't bother her does it?.
[speaker004:] No, no, she's not worried, but when we took her up recently, he, he, he said it's only a wart like that, he didn't sort of worry
[Ginny:] Mm, mm.
[speaker004:] and when the hair goes over it doesn't notice much.
[Dinda:] No, you can't really see the one on Rocky's ear at the moment, you can in some lights.
[Ginny:] When ya, when ya, when you're grooming him you can.
[speaker004:] And that's happened just recently has it?
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah.
[Dinda:] No, last week.
[Ginny:] Well we took him, took him for his injection in October
[Dinda:] Yeah, three or four months.
[Ginny:] They'd have been there about a couple of weeks. But the little dog I went, I took a friend to collect her little dog from the vet it's had a double hernia, hasn't it, double hernia, it, it had a tremendous operation dear little thing, but she said he had a wart under he's eye and on it's own accord it dried up and dropped off.
[speaker004:] Oh did it?
[Ginny:] Mm. So, so Tessa's might
[speaker004:] It might be it's just under the eye
[Ginny:] Yeah,
[speaker004:] down below
[Ginny:] yeah.
[speaker004:] it's very tiny at the moment. but, we don't like the look of it, you know
[Ginny:] No.
[speaker004:] but eh, she, it doesn't seem to worry her it's not causing her any
[Dinda:] No.
[Ginny:] Rocky, doesn't worry him.
[Dinda:] It seems to be worry you.
[Ginny:] Oh, I'm careful with the brush, I'm careful, obviously with a brush and comb, I'd hate to, hate to jab it... well we've got to go I suppose.
[Dinda:] Ah,.
[Ginny:] That German Shepherd having a good, oh he's gone, it's the... oh dear
[speaker004:] Were lucky to have this place aren't we?
[Ginny:] Oh it's lovely isn't it, it's beautiful.
[speaker004:] Were lucky to... you go and lo look round anywhere else, no where like Sanders
[Ginny:] No.
[speaker004:] because, what with this, the bridges and rivers
[Ginny:] Edge Borough.
[speaker004:] , yeah and, and then the recreation ground is, is, when the gypsies's are not there.
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah, well the di the difficult is now in Simon's Wood, in the car park at Simon's Wood.
[speaker004:] Ah.
[Dinda:] Are they?
[Ginny:] Yeah, they've taken
[speaker004:] Only.
[Ginny:] over the car, as National Trust.
[speaker004:] I, I noticed they got shifted, they went to Menley, weren't it.
[Ginny:] Yes, some, some went into the doctor's surgery car park in Aylesmore, it's full of caravans...
[speaker004:] I mean they're getting now that, that, before they go any where now.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Dinda:] .
[speaker004:] I think they'll find.
[Ginny:] Oh yes, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
[speaker004:] .
[Ginny:] I'm not so sure, touch wood.
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER].
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Touch wood.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker004:] Oh yeah.
[Dinda:] They're going, they're, they're travelling.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] The mess they must have made in.
[speaker004:] . Hundreds of pounds you know clear all
[Ginny:] Oh the wreck was incredible wasn't it?
[speaker004:] yeah.
[Ginny:] It was like a rubbish dump, and yet there's good old erm, grounds man, as soon as the had gone, they were down there, there was half a dozen of them and they got it cleaned in two days.
[speaker004:] Yeah, I notice that,
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] and it look's good, you know the.
[Ginny:] And the, where, where they've used all the, the woodland beside the lake as there toilet facilities
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] and they talk about dogs!
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Gee, I know which I prefer.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[speaker004:] Well, that's why people to do when they want to take that photograph of our dog that time, when that women
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] kick up a row, I said you want to look at the dogs, just go outside and see all the old rubbish that get's chucked out there
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] there, there's the Kentucky chicken thing
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] whatever it is, and throw their cartoons and there's coca cola tins
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] I, I, said if [LAUGHTER] if there are [], er people making far more
[Ginny:] Sure.
[speaker004:] mess I said than the dogs.
[Ginny:] Mm, too true.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Too true they do.
[speaker004:] Oh you, Dinda you've got to stand in one place.
[Dinda:] Yes.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker004:] .
[Dinda:] Honestly doing this wrong.
[Ginny:] Well we bring a ball for Rocket and he'll, he'll run to it and then he'll walk off and leave it, so we have to keep, we have to keep finding it.
[speaker004:] You have to run for it.
[Ginny:] Yes, yes.
[Dinda:] Yes.
[Ginny:] Nice chatting to you. Bye bye dear, take care... they're a nice old couple.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] His wife's really slow now.
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] She hangs on to his arm and
[Dinda:] But they used to come into the shop.
[Ginny:] Oh yes, yes.
[Dinda:] They use to have a, is it a.
[Ginny:] She's a sweetie, she's always got a soft looking smile on her face, he's always smiling too please him...
[Dinda:] Oh excuse me.
[Ginny:] Yes, he's worried were
[Dinda:] Not a lot on tonight, there's only a very apparently dropped.
[Ginny:] Really.
[Dinda:] So,.
[Ginny:] Well anything else is a let down.
[Dinda:] Take.
[Ginny:] Want to get a comedy or a thriller or a drama.
[Dinda:] I don't know,. Dances with Wolves is coming out on video now.
[Ginny:] Ooh, do you think?
[Dinda:] Well, it's going to be released on the twenty seventh.
[Ginny:] I'd love to see that.
[Dinda:] . It's a shame cos if they sold the video.
[Ginny:] Well I may not, I may not find it as good, don't, they always show you clips as trailers of the best bit's.
[Dinda:] I think it's.
[Ginny:] But if it's got anything about
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] if they've got the American Indian culture in it then it will fascinate me, yeah.
[Dinda:] I think it has, it's, it's got a lot of. It's basically a love story between him and a, see he's a, he's a cowboy officer, and she, she's a Indian Squaw obviously, they fall in love and they all this sort of vote of comment on.
[Ginny:] Yes, yes.
[Dinda:] But there is a lot of erm, obviously the, the Indian ways and so on.
[Ginny:] Yes, well course I.
[Dinda:] The scenery and photography and everything suppose to be absolutely wonderful.
[Ginny:] Yes that's worth it.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] A lot of our modern hol
[Dinda:] Hello Max.
[Ginny:] Modern... [train] Come on, no she hasn't got anything for you, [LAUGHTER].
[Dinda:] Come on, come on, come on.
[Ginny:] You know, it, it makes me smile sometimes when I say... come and try the mo modern politic approach to your ache, ache's and pains, your ailments.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Most of it comes... think so, I mean so much of it comes from the North American Indians that
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] and right back into the er, the Keltic legions and the medieval monks.
[Dinda:] That's right, there's certainly a.
[Ginny:] That's what I said to you, your dad when he didn't want to take Aspirins for his restrained back, and him, don't believe in these drugs and I said look, if a monk gave you this he'd, he'd give you the bark of a birch tree, pound it up in a pestle and water and you'd think it was magic... and you'd take it and you, relax your muscles, is that what it is?, I said yes that's what Aspirin is originally... birch bark. Well of course they used to use the poppy, for people in great pain
[Dinda:] Oh yeah,.
[Ginny:] amputations, child birth... gosh the leaves are thick.
[Dinda:] Mm, they're lovely aren't they? When ever I see these big leaves you know these big ones
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] they remind me of when I was at school.
[Ginny:] Sycamore oh, sycamore and.
[Dinda:] used to get told to go out in the Autumn and we used to get told by the, used to get taken out by the teacher into some woods and you would have to collect the leaves.
[Ginny:] Actually I
[Dinda:] Could always, could always see if biggest, biggest leaves like these you know,.
[Ginny:] That is a Sycamore cos it isn't a, there isn't a conker tree around here that's Sycamore, there they are, that's it, that's a Sycamore tree, beautiful colour... These are Dances with Wolves.
[Dinda:] Oh, it's in shop.
[Ginny:] If it's
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] If it's good, erm, can I say truthful background of the Indians.
[Dinda:] Well, actually and it might be based on a true story, don't know if it
[Ginny:] Do you remember when Vaughan was, Vaughan was doing his meditation
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] and he was trying to get in touch with a North American Indian, that a, thingamy in Wales was fixed up
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Wonder what ever came of that.
[Dinda:] Always very hard to talk to Vaughan about things like that, because you asked a straight forward and he goes way, way, over the head
[Ginny:] Yeah, I know, he does versify.
[Dinda:] and within three seconds my brain just switches off [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Well I try to
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] I, I just ask him if, and it, the question that I'm interested in the answer to, like how did it go? and, now he talks at me for an hour until Diane comes in and says enough Vaughany, cos she can see I sort of trying to edge away...
[Dinda:] suddenly cross your legs, ouch.
[Ginny:] That's a good idea. She said to me just say to him like I do enough Vaughany, don't want to hear any more. I said no, I, I would hate to offend him because it's all so well meant... being a mother in law you have to watch it.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER], honestly you couldn't be much worse than.
[Ginny:] Oh mother in law is.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] She's just.
[Dinda:] I'm not buying her a present, I mean I'll chip in with a present for you for her and Mark if it comes, but we'll have to go to, but erm, you know, she,.
[Ginny:] As a person, you know, I'd never have any time. Yes, yes, I mean you never, she lives in that great place and she's got no money
[Dinda:] , they're not, they're not her presents are they, they're from Diane.
[Ginny:] No, of course, of course.
[Dinda:] So, I tell you what, if, if we do end up spending Christmas at gonna give me the present I got to Di and said thank you Di for giving Stella the Christmas present [LAUGHTER]. It so.
[Ginny:] I mean as an acquaintance I could tolerate her but I.
[Dinda:] I couldn't I'm afraid.
[Ginny:] Well, could do, what I can't forgive is that she was so spiteful to my daughter, she's a sun shiny little sole and she's so full of love for everybody she's so generous
[Dinda:] Why was she?
[Ginny:] she didn't want Vaughany to get married again.
[Dinda:] Oh.
[Ginny:] She used to say what Diane, I've never heard of a Diane, after they were married this
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] And when anyone treats my daughter like that I find it very hard to forgive, I know it hurts my kids, I'm much more up in arms than if they hurt me. Remember that first Christmas when she put the cat among the pigeons by saying to me your husband told me that he can't really afford he's flying because you spend all his money, when I, when I've been backing him, saving money for his aeroplane and his lessons and
[Dinda:] What did you say to dad?... did you say that to dad didn't you say it.
[Ginny:] But I thought she was stirring it you see and so did Diane.
[Dinda:] What did you tell.
[Ginny:] I didn't believe her
[Dinda:] You didn't, you never.
[Ginny:] But he said, I said it as a joke when she was asking me about my flying and I said I don't do as much flying as I'd like to, I've, I've got a wife to support and she takes all the money. But I said I am the money... I gave him his first flying lesson, I paid for it, like I bought his first three cars.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] I excused myself and went to bed I think... but she repeated it so solemnly you see not as, say somebody saying a joking sort of way.
[Dinda:] Yeah, good stirring.
[Ginny:] And it was just after Frank had left her and gone to live in that place in.
[Dinda:] Does, does anybody know what he's doing,.
[Ginny:] Don't know, last time I asked Diane she said oh he's, he's living with this machine he's got in
[Dinda:] What machine?
[Ginny:] some magic machine.
[Dinda:] What machine? Magic machine?
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] What kind of machine?
[Ginny:] A machine he's designed, I don't know for what purpose, I didn't dare ask, I was going to ask Vaughan.
[Dinda:] It's not to, it's not to isolate gamma rays.
[Ginny:] Probably, but he was hiding he wouldn't come out because he said that the men from outer space were after him.
[Dinda:] It's funny you know, I've reading, I'm reading Silence of, Silence of the Lambs at the moment and er, you know, it's got in there, a lot of er, er, mentally ill patient's have got this idea that, men, men from Mars have.
[Ginny:] Well I said to Diane you know, I didn't laugh, I didn't think it was funny, I thought it was sad and I said but he needs help, if Vaughan's you know, he's got two sons, but Mark's a bit hopeless and he was at Oxford anyway, I said surely somebody should go and get him some... some treatment, sanitation.
[Dinda:] Yes.
[Ginny:] You can get cranks, you just believe in flying saucers and a quite happy harmless, but, I think they need checking on to make sure that they are... happy with the life they're leading... it bothers me a lot
[Dinda:] So where is he now?
[Ginny:] Well he's still in Manchester I think.
[Dinda:] Doing what? Is he living with, living in a.
[Ginny:] I think he's in lodgings.
[Dinda:] Is he?
[Ginny:] But of course he got half the value of... Trafford Hall, which was quarter of a million?
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Something like that, eighth of a million, it'll do me anyway. Oh listen to that bird, isn't it beautiful it's a Thrush.
[Dinda:] Well.
[Ginny:] That's alright degradable. Oh isn't it beautiful, he must think it's Spring.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Oh it's gorgeous... oh you beautiful bird. [bird singing].
[Dinda:] Oh, in't he?
[Ginny:] Like a spring sound. I hope they don't start nesting and then get all there.
[Dinda:] have a good time wouldn't you? Yes
[Ginny:] Yes,
[Dinda:] the.
[Ginny:] this is, this is the end of November do not build your nest.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Oh it's beautiful.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Really doing his nut isn't he? Perhaps that is his er, this is, this is my place,. Yes, there he goes... yes it was a Thrush... You must come and try and hear the nightingale's again... again, you haven't
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Oh, would you
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Would you try, you're supposed to try wish, wish for luck when you tread in it you know.
[Dinda:] Luck... come on.
[Ginny:] Ooh, where did you go? oh don't look like that, no one 's gonna hurt you baby, might smack your bottom once or twice. Come
[Dinda:] Come on.
[Ginny:] Come
[Dinda:] In you get.
[Ginny:] Good boy, good lad..., oh that Thrush song was a bonus wasn't it? Wasn't it gorgeous? I should buy some bulbs and ge, oh look at the pretty reeds.
[Dinda:] Oh aren't they lovely.
[Ginny:] Aren't they sweet. Haven't got enough with me. Hello, how are you?
[Keith:] Fine thank you.
[Ginny:] I thought you'd gone away.
[speaker004:] .
[Keith:] Gone away to the funny farm, yeah, they let me out last week.
[Ginny:] Oh. That figures.
[Keith:] help them out you see.
[Ginny:] That figures.
[Keith:] Getting withdrawal symptoms you see, I only.
[Ginny:] Do you, if you don't sell
[Dinda:] Well,,
[Ginny:] all the fruit, if you don't sell all the fruit cakes.
[Dinda:] smell of them.
[Ginny:] Yeah, smell of the fruit. Now, er hello Ed, hello love, he's doing a starling job in your absence, isn't he?, isn't he.
[Keith:] I'm warning.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] He can't leave the place alone, everyday he's here,
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] grapes... no not one twenty, yes, Keith goes through them like a hot mouth through butter. These look drier than the ones at the back, it must be the latest one, or are they all the same?
[Keith:] No, all the same.
[Ginny:] That's alright my love... you like grapes as well Dinda.
[Dinda:] I do.
[Ginny:] Oh look, a little baby one, given you voucher I'll just have half a dozen for you.
[Dinda:] That's alright I ain't got nothing to pop back.
[Ginny:] have got loads in the garden.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Erm, couple of, couple of pears.
[Keith:] There we are.
[Ginny:] Couple of pears for a fruit compact, oh that look's a beauty...
[Keith:] You don't normally come in on a Saturday.
[Ginny:] I usually come in every day for something.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Especially now I've got so many
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] So many people on weirdo diets. An iceberg, four salad tomatoes, some cress if you have it, I did, I did get banana's, and they haven't disappeared yet, oh look the clementine's are in Dinda isn't that beautiful, you could candy that, wouldn't it be attractive, candid to keep...
[Keith:] There we are, er four seventy one.
[Ginny:] Oh aren't they whoppers.
[Dinda:] Two.
[Keith:] I say,.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] Nice and plenty, them.
[Ginny:] I've, I've got about four in the bottom of the fridge.
[Dinda:] Oh.
[Ginny:] Er what'd I say, cress, got some fresh cress for Keith's salad.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Lot's of iron in that.
[Dinda:] What are they in, in the bunches.
[Ginny:] The bunches, mm.
[Dinda:] So if I grab
[Ginny:] That's it.
[Dinda:] a bunch like that.
[Ginny:] That's it, then it goes in my bars on the window sill. I've got half an aubergine and I'm not going to make a veg pie anyway, it's a beauty isn't it.
[Dinda:] No, I know, I'm just showing how much.
[Ginny:] Aren't these beautiful.
[Keith:] They are aren't they.
[Dinda:] Small and perfectly formed, like me.
[Ginny:] That's a.
[Keith:] It is, it is I have to polish them every day, aha, are you upset?
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] He's, he's got
[Dinda:] I think, I think you should stop fondling it now.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] He's got a university degree you see, so he knows what I'm talking about, when I say
[Dinda:] Oh well
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] beautiful.
[Dinda:] there you are.
[Ginny:] I didn't know you had it
[Keith:] I don't know about it.
[Ginny:] I didn't know you had a degree until the other day and Lionel said oh
[Keith:] Oh yeah, yeah, I've got enough money to
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER].
[Keith:] give me.
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Oh I see.
[Dinda:] Forge his signature.
[Ginny:] And hope it doesn't come to any more than that, otherwise I shall will be in your debt.
[Dinda:] But I can't add, I mean I've got a degree but I might not, can't add.
[Ginny:] I've noticed you always used a machine.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Is that it, I don't want the veggies, grapes, pears, iceberg, toms, cress, I think that's the lot.
[Dinda:] Do you want a bag?.
[Ginny:] Well it wouldn't come amiss, though
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] I'd hate to drop the tomatoes half way across the road.
[Dinda:] I've already dropped.
[Ginny:] You want to drop the tomatoes.
[Keith:] Oh it's fun.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Splat.
[Keith:] Part of the fun.
[Ginny:] I always leave.
[Dinda:] Yeah, two eight one, that's about right.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[Keith:] There are.
[Ginny:] Thank you love. No you're not supposed to put that on top of the grapes.
[Dinda:] Look dear, don't give him.
[Ginny:] You take the bag I'll take the money [LAUGHTER].
[Dinda:] No, I'll take the money, you take. I've got this the right way round haven't I.
[Ginny:] Come all the way from Amberry you see just to get, just to get stuff from you.
[Dinda:] .
[Keith:] I.
[Dinda:] .
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Keep a pound coin with me. Do you want a few erm chestnuts sweetheart, you sure?
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] You off sweets, eating two chestnuts instead.
[Dinda:] Absolutely, no, I'm, I'm already.
[Ginny:] Thank you Ed
[Dinda:] Bye.
[Keith:] See ya.
[Ginny:] Have your cup of coffee now, while it's quiet.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Take care.
[Dinda:] [noise traffic]. How much money have you got on you?
[Ginny:] About one pound
[Dinda:] How much do you think a yo-yo is?
[Ginny:] Oh gosh, that's good for you, you know it's good for your co-ordination.
[Dinda:] Cos I asked in here a few weeks ago and they said.
[Ginny:] My friend in here.
[Dinda:] If they're gonna be anywhere, they're gonna be around here.
[Ginny:] Ten, twenty, forty fi, hello love.
[speaker008:] Hello love.
[Ginny:] Have you got any yo-yo's in yet?
[speaker008:] No we haven't, were
[Ginny:] Oh.
[speaker008:] waiting for them to come in.
[Dinda:] [crying]
[speaker008:] I'll ask again on Tuesday and see if they can just send me.
[Dinda:] .
[Vicky:] Who's it for you?
[Dinda:] Yeah. No it's not actually it's for my, my young nephew.
[Vicky:] Oh.
[Ginny:] Oh, oh, oh.
[speaker008:] a fuss.
[Vicky:] It's ever so therapeutic.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Dinda:] I just saw somebody put it on them on the.
[Vicky:] I used to be quite good at
[speaker008:] and I'll ask again on Tuesday when I ring.
[Ginny:] It's supposed to be very good for you.
[Vicky:] I used to be very good at this, I use to.
[Dinda:] So did I
[Ginny:] Yes, you did, yes.
[speaker008:] We'll put it on the list and I'll try on Tuesday for you.
[Ginny:] .
[speaker008:] So that's all I've got with me after I've been to.
[Dinda:] Well, you've anyway, so.
[Ginny:] If they're more than eighty, I, I can't have it anyway.
[Dinda:] So you want to keep
[Vicky:] Yo-yo,.
[Dinda:] Oh.
[Ginny:] I'm all ready if I got my handbag, but when I start walking because of the cars being broken into I don't carry a handbag, you see, I just carry money in my pocket.
[Vicky:] Oh, there's a lot had their cars broken into.
[Ginny:] I've had mine done twice, mine done twice, mm, the police were up the other day lying in ambush, and I'd spotted them and phoned the local police station and said there's men lurking in the bushes of are they policemen?, she said yes madam, they're policemen. I don't, I thought they looked to they looked to clean and, and well groomed
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] to be erm, sort of scroungers.
[Vicky:] Right, it doesn't pay to leave your handbag in the car.
[Ginny:] No way.
[Dinda:] Certainly doesn't.
[Ginny:] It isn't the money because the insurance company pay me back the money
[Vicky:] Yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] the car insurance mends my windows, but it's, it's your bank books, and your credit cards
[Vicky:] I know.
[Ginny:] and your driving licence
[Vicky:] I know.
[Ginny:] your insurance, all those little things you know, and you don't
[Vicky:] Cos there's been a lot done, they've all done it left their bikes in the car.
[Ginny:] Yes, yes. Well I was in the pet shop
[Vicky:] tie round your neck.
[Ginny:] Ah, but they're again they
[speaker008:] .
[Ginny:] but then they could hit you on the head if they saw you've got it with you.
[speaker008:] .
[Ginny:] Mind you I've always got a dog and a stick.
[speaker008:] as a puppy
[Ginny:] Oh yeah.
[speaker008:] .
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker008:] Stick him on the end that.
[Ginny:] It's true.
[Vicky:] You want to get one of those waist belts and put it under your.
[Ginny:] In the Summer I have one of,
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] Used to be, I bought it in here,
[Vicky:] Yeah,
[Ginny:] remember the
[Vicky:] yeah,
[Ginny:] shoulder-less purses on, on a
[Vicky:] yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] well they are now, my daughter now has a proper bum bag, but this was just a school, purse for school, just for break time.
[Vicky:] Oh yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] And I use that in the summer, when I don't want big pocket's
[Vicky:] Yeah, yeah, good idea.
[Ginny:] I think.
[Dinda:] Keep your hands free
[Vicky:] I must have washed me hands.
[speaker008:] You have to think when you've got, like me with my two little grand daughters, you know.
[Ginny:] That's right, you need three hands.. True, if I'm, if I know I want, might want something extra, I, I, stick a fiver in, this pocket
[speaker008:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] If I loose it well, it's, hard cheese.
[speaker008:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] It's better than er
[speaker008:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] better than this thing
[speaker008:] .
[Ginny:] cos my daughter you see, I get so cross if anyone's at my car, I'm likely to go for them. I nearly caught a man once erm, but I turned the whistle to the dog and he must of heard me, he dropped, into his car and drove off, if I could of got the dog in faster I'd, I'd chased him, my daughter said, no you stand back and take no not, but I'm not like that you see.
[speaker008:] No, you think why should they get away with it.
[Ginny:] Yes, I'd whack him on the head with me stick or something.
[speaker008:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] And of course I'd get accused of assault.
[speaker008:] Oh, you'd be the one in trouble.
[Ginny:] Oh yes, oh yes, I would, I'm sure I would. Thank's a lot girls. [noise traffic]. Are you looking at they big doggy?
[Dinda:] I was looking at the scalectrix.
[Ginny:] Scalectrix, that's the next thing is it? Oh look, come on, yeah Christmas lights are up... not a lot mind you, a few bare bright bulbs.
[Dinda:] Mm, mm, shop...
[Ginny:] What is that patch for?
[Dinda:] I don't know..
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]. I don't know my dear. Hello baby we weren't long were we? Haven't seen Dan in there for a long time, I thought he'd left Lionel and gone off to get a... a highly lucrative job somewhere... You don't somehow expect to see a, a young man with a university degree working in your local green grocer do you?
[Dinda:] Mm, what's his degree in?
[Ginny:] I haven't asked him, I didn't like to. They must have been high up in the tree, leaves.
[Dinda:] Is that a Beech tree?
[Ginny:] Yeah, that's a Beech tree...
[Dinda:] Where's the.
[Ginny:] Beg your pardon, you're right
[Dinda:] I didn't recognise it, it hasn't got any leaves on.
[Ginny:] I beg your pardon, it does look like a Beech bowl doesn't it?
[Dinda:] Yeah it does,.
[Ginny:] Yes, you're quite right it is. No up where the other's are, where they've just hidden in the bushes, I found sum brand new ones on Wednesday or Thur, after we had the heavy rain... Why we going this way?
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Oh, I'm very fond of the meadow walk... get any more wild, actually, I suppose there are rabbits and things up here.
[Dinda:] But there are.
[Ginny:] We should come one day at dusk and the bunny hoppers will be out, or of course very early in the morning.
[Dinda:] Why, you wouldn't come very early in the morning.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[Dinda:] . brooks lovely isn't it?
[Ginny:] The what?
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Oh yes.
[Dinda:] I don't think I've ever been to, quite pleasant.
[Ginny:] Surely that's the, that is the house where Queen Elizabeth the first spent all her girl hood.
[Dinda:] I've no idea.
[Ginny:] ... perhaps it was burnt down and re-built or something didn't seem at all tudorish did it?
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] . You think all the big houses in London that are now official Government all along the strand big private houses, Savoy Palace, The.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Way back in the thirteen, fourteenth century.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] And your name sake Barnard of Bolier that's his palace opposite on the other bank of the Thames.
[Dinda:] Mm.... I'm still amazed about eighty gardens though.
[Ginny:] Eighty gardens, oh made me laugh.
[Dinda:] Well that's not what amazes me, eighty gardens.
[Ginny:] Eighty gardens, but then as a place that size, and the didn't have any machinery don't forget everything had to be
[Dinda:] Well I expect now, they've got about five.
[Ginny:] I should think they probably still, in the, in the high season, I should think they probably still need fifteen, twenty
[Dinda:] Oh look, tractor.
[Ginny:] I think it still belongs to the Duke of Devonshire because he was interviewed at the end wasn't he?
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] And he said they have to systematically sell something to keep the place up.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] But if they can use that er beautiful water...
[Dinda:] Ah right.
[Ginny:] to generate their own electricity, save them a bomb and they can sell some as well. I know a lot of people say they shouldn't
[Dinda:] Good idea.
[Ginny:] have houses that size, but I think it's an awful shame to let our heritage go.
[Dinda:] Yeah, I agree, if people did.
[Ginny:] I tell you another thing that amazes me, how any one with a Sovereign right, were a Sovereign in those days, could have given up the palace of Westminster which is so beautiful, palace, together I suppose reigned after the Duke of is it?
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] It was only built erm, what a couple of hundred years ago wasn't it?
[Dinda:] What Buckingham Palace?
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Dinda:] I don't know, I didn't realise.
[Ginny:] At Kensington, Kensington palace, but the palace of Westminster I think is the most beautiful building
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] and of course they had the Thames which was their main highway, Thames was much easier to use than
[Dinda:] Well that was Buckingham Palace was er.
[Ginny:] Oh yes.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Oh yeah.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] I think Buckingham Palace is lovely compared to Westminster Palace, beautiful old stone and the, and the shape of it and it's windows, it's beautiful... huge of course, there again the court then had loads and loads of er, there were ten.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER]..
[Ginny:] And a lot of the Government, Governing people of the country... Oh it is a bit chill and damp isn't it? Did you mention anything to your dad about wanting to watch... Dances with Wolves?
[Dinda:] Ah, I wouldn't of imagine for one second he would want to watch, so it might be better if I buy the video and see
[Ginny:] No, no,
[Dinda:] you can watch it at your
[Ginny:] why you gonna get something
[Dinda:] heart's delight.
[Ginny:] something more adventure, I don't want to buy it, I may, I may not be that keen on it
[Dinda:] Well you know, in that case you'll have to wait until he goes away somewhere for the evening.
[Ginny:] Didn't like Fantasia, where I can listen to the music and watch them.
[Dinda:] Oh, we'll see what's going on, have a look.
[Ginny:] I would like to see Dances with Wolves... he'll probably be asleep any way Dinda. He puts the Variety Performance on he'll go to sleep.
[Dinda:] Mm...
[Ginny:] He's actually been out of his armchair today long enough to erm, spend ten minutes putting a washer on the hand basin in the loo.
[Dinda:] Oh,...
[Ginny:] And you could of done that last weekend,.
[Dinda:] Should of done, yeah...
[Ginny:] I owe a letter to Dida.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] I don't know whether I owe one to Madge or not, probably I do.
[Dinda:] Mm..
[Ginny:] She owes me a letter, thank heavens, somebody who owes me a letter instead of vice versa. Can't remember whether I owe Madge a letter or she owes me one.
[Dinda:] Here dog.
[Ginny:] He's probably having a visit... run like bat out of hell good gracious. Oh look.
[Dinda:] Oh sorry.
[Ginny:] Hello magpie, there's two of them... Ooh come on, come try again. [whistling]. Are there's a playful one coming, ah, been called away what a shame.
[Dinda:] He's a devious one.
[Ginny:] Border Collie, a sheep dog.
[Dinda:] [yawn]. I read somewhere that if you have a Collie
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] Dog you must make sure that they're occupied
[Ginny:] Oh yes.
[Dinda:] cos they're such smart little dogs,
[Ginny:] They get into mischief.
[Dinda:] that erm, they have to be occupied doing
[Ginny:] Yes, yes.
[Dinda:] They are, aren't they, they really are very smart.
[Ginny:] Oh yes, well look how Kelly could get.
[Dinda:] Oh yeah, they're like a hyperactive child.
[Ginny:] That's right, very much. Kelly was alright, as long as he was doing things, but he wanted to be doing things all the time.
[Dinda:] He had so much energy even when he got old, he had so much energy.
[Ginny:] Yes. Remember when he went up to the aeroplane, Jim only hate to haul him away and slap him once and he learned, he didn't go near an aeroplane any more
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] kept right away from the aircraft.
[Dinda:] Mm...
[Ginny:] there's a teddy bear again, gorgeous.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] . We'll have to say hello to her she's, oh yes you're so, oh, oh, oh my goodness, what have you done to your
[speaker004:] .
[Ginny:] Ah it's what. She is isn't she? When you gonna go off, ah, ah, ah, watch it, that's a lady, watch yourself.
[Dinda:] What do you want the lead?
[Ginny:] You need look like that. It's when one is on the lead I think the other's feel the disadvantage,
[speaker004:] Get on a bit.
[Ginny:] he should be about eight and a half, he's rescued.
[Dinda:] dog you are, you're horrible.
[Ginny:] It's not like him to grumble at a bitch.
[Dinda:] You're horrible
[speaker004:] Only nine months.
[Ginny:] Thought she was pretty young, she's going to be whopping when she's
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Dinda:] Your horrible.
[speaker004:] Dad was that? What? Above your head. .
[Ginny:] Here then, get a bit too cold for them wouldn't you?
[speaker004:] Yes, yeah.
[Ginny:] She's longing to go for a gallop isn't she?
[speaker004:] Oh yes, yes.
[Ginny:] Oh, all full of energy aren't you love, she's a beauty, what's her name?
[speaker004:] Topsy. Topsy.
[Ginny:] Suit's her doesn't it? She just growled and growled and growled, didn't she.
[speaker004:] . .
[Ginny:] She
[speaker004:] Look for a new home for her now that's the trouble Dad.
[Ginny:] You what?
[speaker004:] You've got to look for a home for her now, cos we're er, moving home.
[Ginny:] Oh no, oh you can't keep her?
[speaker004:] Not really, no, were going to America.
[Ginny:] They let British come into America
[speaker004:] Yeah, it's the accommodations.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Come on girl.
[Ginny:] Not the other way round of course.
[speaker004:] No, no.
[Ginny:] Dogs from Britain can practically live anywhere
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Hel hello Topsy, hello Topsy, I'll shall squeeze your feet if you do it any more, I'll shall squeeze your paws and you won't like it.
[speaker004:] Is that a good way of stopping her doing it?
[Ginny:] Mm, I always use to do it with my German Shepherd.
[speaker004:] Yeah, but they don't.
[Ginny:] Cos, cos they're big enough, if they even in love, they can knock a child, well they could knock a grown up flat on your back.
[speaker004:] She'll not be too.
[Ginny:] Yes, no squeeze the paws,
[speaker004:] We got,
[Ginny:] not, not too hard for her but enough so that it's uncomfortable
[speaker004:] yeah.
[Ginny:] and they hate it, and after, after a week, after a week of having their paws squeezed every time they jump up, stop. I've a lot, a lot of my friends have got... big dogs and they say oh they will jump up and I say squeeze her paws, it usually works
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Ginny:] in a week, ten days, something like.
[speaker004:] I'll have to do that.
[Ginny:] They're a very, but they can still knock you flat on your back.
[speaker004:] Oh yeah, well she's had a, a some old chap who was walking around here, she just ran past him
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] and she just caught the back of his leg.
[Ginny:] Oh yeah, behind your knees you can.
[speaker004:] He just crumpled up. I say she's only doing, she's only playing around.
[Ginny:] Oh yes, it's all affection.
[speaker004:] Mm, I'll have to try that with the feet, come on.
[Ginny:] Bye, bye. Do you want to play?, want to play?... get it, get it,
[Dinda:] Come on.
[Ginny:] get it, get it... oh play Rock.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Look.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Another seven months.
[Dinda:] Seven months.
[Ginny:] And they can't keep her?
[Dinda:] Pardon.
[Ginny:] Moving, moving to America.
[Dinda:] Oh what a shame, have they got somebody to take.
[Ginny:] Well I'd imagine they'd go too there, and they're still looking for someone.
[Dinda:] Oh,.
[Ginny:] You'd like to take her would you?
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] When she was trained, stop jumping up and things she'd be a nice dog.
[Dinda:] , if I wasn't at work I'd take her like a shot.
[Ginny:] Yes, so would I. Wee, get it.
[Dinda:] But erm
[Ginny:] Get it.
[Dinda:] , you should have told him to put an advert in.
[Ginny:] Have ads in where? I don't think they're been yet.
[Dinda:] I would imagine. Where you going?
[Ginny:] Into the dog walk.
[Dinda:] Come on...
[Ginny:] I don't know if the ranger's put any seed down or what, but they all seem to like, they all seem to like the smells round here...
[Dinda:] After you.
[Ginny:] You be a good lad now? Good boy.
[Dinda:] Whoops.
[Ginny:] Good boy. God it's carpeted with leaves now. Haven's seen Sam.
[Dinda:] No.
[Ginny:] Or Davey. Good boy, hurry up... Good boy Rocket...
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] What, no, no, you'll try and go get back across the meadow, I expect.
[Dinda:] Probably will.
[Ginny:] Hello.
[speaker004:] Hello, alright...
[Ginny:] I wouldn't trust those two any further than I can throw them. My instincts straight away.
[Dinda:] Mm. You reckon, you reckon they're Bonny and Clyde do you?
[Ginny:] I wouldn't be surprised if they were the sort of people who had the stolen bicycle down in the bushes. Oh dear, they haven't go a dog, but they went on the dog walk!
[Dinda:] Ah. again today.
[Ginny:] No, no, no, what every you like,
[Dinda:] ,
[Ginny:] if you like dog crap on your shoes.
[Dinda:] yeah, at home shoes off. No Rocky, no, no, no
[Ginny:] What, what, maybe he wants to, maybe he wants to you know what.
[Dinda:] Oh come on, you know him, he'll just takes us up the woods for the hell of it.
[Ginny:] Honesty.
[Dinda:] Come on then, come on... come then, be a good boy, hurry up.
[Ginny:] He's eaten another dish of biscuits. Cleaned out his dinner bowl and... eat more biscuits. Foxes you after is it? Good lad, good lad, good lad.
[Dinda:] Hurry up.
[Ginny:] Good boy... good boy... good boy.
[speaker004:] I'll have to try that. You looking at your favourite tree again?... Gorgeous isn't it?, beautiful tree. Strange how the lebanon should be cover with them isn't it?... Chance of bright spells this afternoon, getting horrendously murky.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Oh look over there, it's, it's
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] black, except for the occasional, little topping of gold.
[Dinda:] Yeah, is it?...
[Ginny:] Try and get one of these gadgets, and see if we can er get the nightingales next week.
[Dinda:] ... There's
[Ginny:] I don't suppose the radio part of this is put in then,. I'm not messing with it, just recording playing back.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Not that I like walking around with music blasting anyway, I'd rather listen to the birds.
[Dinda:] Mm... oh, I'm warm now after that walk.
[Ginny:] Good.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] No sign of Sam, ah here he comes, hold on then, the dogs gonna have a talk. Your friend's coming, your friend's coming, your friend's coming, look, look who's that, who's that, who is it? Who's down there, who is it, who is it, who is it? [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Hello Sam, hello, hello, hello, hello.
[Dinda:] He don't know who to say hello to.
[Jackie:] Hello Sam.
[Dinda:] He don't know who to say hello to you or me or what.
[Jackie:] Three of us he's gonna have a widdle, that'll sort all the problems out, hello.
[Dinda:] How's, how's your eye.
[Ginny:] Keep still a minute, let's have a look, come here, Sam, Sam
[Dinda:] Hey, Sam, Sam, come here.
[Jackie:] Keep your head still a minute we want to look at your nutter.
[Dinda:] It looks much better doesn't it?
[Jackie:] Getting your fur fur back.
[Ginny:] That's right, you see to him, go on you see to him, you see to him,.
[Dinda:] Trouble is Rocky, Rocky's knackered from his walk and so is.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER], hello Davy.
[Dinda:] That's great, Rocky, Rocky's panting a bit, seems a bit tired but Sam's all fresh.
[Ginny:] He has, he hasn't been very active actually
[Dinda:] There is an unfair advantage here
[Ginny:] He was looking
[Jackie:] sleeping in the car today, that's what it is he's just woken up.
[Dinda:] Cos I looked.
[Ginny:] He's been asleep in the car.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Dinda:] Oh, cos I looked him up and I thought
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah, both coming back, now just had a bald patch.
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] There's been and that, he's been out this morning as well up to Hill and oh up to the Ridges as well
[Ginny:] Good gracious.
[Jackie:] should be tired.
[Ginny:] Oh they do up the Rid up the Ridges?
[Jackie:] Er, I didn't see any up there no.
[Ginny:] Simon's Wood?
[Jackie:] Nor Simon's, no I was in there yesterday there was none in there yesterday.
[Ginny:] Oh, they've, they've then, good.
[Jackie:] Cos I think they'd gone some time ago.
[Ginny:] What a shame they've missed their walk together.
[Jackie:] Yes, still, you just going back now are you?
[Ginny:] No, we came a bit earlier because it was so dingy.
[Dinda:] Just done the circuit, he has.
[Jackie:] Oh I see, I did the front of my car that's why I was a bit late, I usually I'm a bit earlier than this.
[Ginny:] We met er, a beautiful old English sheep dog, seven months old and they've got to find a new home for it, because they're off to America.
[Jackie:] Ah, that's a shame.
[Ginny:] Well I said they're except British dogs in America. Dog's from England can go anywhere, it's just coming back in, the problem.
[Jackie:] Come back in yes, the erm
[Ginny:] And he said yes but it's, it's the accommodation we've got, maybe it's a Company move and they've given them an apartment or something, seven months old, you know, that big, so by the time
[Jackie:] It's a shame isn't it?,
[Ginny:] she's grown up, she's
[Jackie:] don't they?
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah, beauty, beauty.
[Jackie:] Still, they might hear of somebody who wants one.
[Dinda:] Oh yeah, you know.
[Ginny:] Well I should think they'd probably advertise.
[Dinda:] at the vet's and so on, you know.
[Jackie:] That's right, yeah.
[Dinda:] .
[Jackie:] .
[Dinda:] It's a pedigree, weren't he?
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] She was a, she was a pedigree.
[Ginny:] Yes, Topsy, Topsy.
[Dinda:] I was just looking at that tree, the way it's stunted up there, I haven't really noticed before.
[Jackie:] Oh yes.
[Ginny:] That's where, where it fell off in all the hurricane.
[Dinda:] That's right, yeah.
[Ginny:] That's topped. it's top...
[Jackie:] , there's another one in there.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] Plenty of good firewood isn't there?
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Jackie:] There is. A bit of it has rotted now though.
[Dinda:] Yes.
[Ginny:] It'll still, it'll still burn nicely
[Dinda:] It's got to be.
[Jackie:] Oh it's still burn alright.
[Dinda:] Mm, I'm surprised they.
[Ginny:] Lovely smells to when it's burning.
[Jackie:] Mm, it is nice.
[Ginny:] And of course the erm, those sort with all the redden in them, muddly blue flames and they keep spitting and given pretty, pretty pictures, it's gorgeous.
[Jackie:] Yeah, Pine they do that don't they?
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] They do.
[Ginny:] Yes, we have to trim our Pine trees occasionally, the firs, and ooh they smell beautiful on the bonfire.
[Dinda:] Even ones on the, mm. I had a go at that didn't I one year?
[Ginny:] Yes, you did.
[Dinda:] Made a real mess of it.
[Jackie:] Mm,.
[Ginny:] And she did very well.
[Jackie:] Cutting down trees.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] in Summer big ones like that, sort of, I, I had to use the a chain saw.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Joyce said oh we'll be alright this winter.
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] I've got out of the way of, I've often said to Dinda, you know, I wouldn't mind going back to an open fire in the winter.
[Dinda:] No, I wouldn't
[Jackie:] I miss it now after all these years.
[Ginny:] Oh never mind, when I was first married, it was carry coals up two flight of stairs to start with.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Ginny:] It was me who did it, not my husband. He use to sit there and say, is it getting cold in here? and muggings I use to get up and feed the fire and go down and, I, I can't believe it when I think back you know.
[Dinda:] Well you do exactly the same thing now,
[Ginny:] Yes,
[Dinda:] it's obviously in your nature isn't it?
[Ginny:] yes.
[Jackie:] Turn the heating up I should think.
[Dinda:] Yeah, yeah, you know if there's anything to be done, up she goes and does it.
[Ginny:] Getting cold.
[Jackie:] Yeah, they told.
[Ginny:] Yeah, that's right.
[Jackie:] You know,.
[Ginny:] Well we used to take it in our stride, I mean I grew up with an old Victorian house with potent fires and you had keep the fires going either wise in the winter it was bitterly cold, it was nice and cool in the summer coming out of the heat.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] But in the winter you needed the kitchen range and the dining room and drawing room needed fire then, and if anybody's was ill we had fireplaces in the bedrooms of course.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Ginny:] But since I slept in, what used to be the maid's bedroom [LAUGHTER], I was always
[Jackie:] I say, when you look at those days you wake up and.
[Ginny:] that's right, yeah, yeah.
[Dinda:] I pull them open and do that now, I must admit.
[Ginny:] Old, old sash windows.
[Dinda:] I wouldn't, I wouldn't last five minutes [LAUGHTER]. I need my heating.
[Ginny:] Oh, you would, you would.
[Dinda:] Well not now.
[Ginny:] With sash windows, with the wind howling round them.
[Jackie:] But, it's, it's funny though you didn't they?
[Ginny:] Stone floors down stairs. Would you know, we didn't have any serious illnesses as children, the only place we had a bit of warmth, used to have a valour lamp in the bathroom in the winter, had a valour lamp in there to keep the chill off.
[Jackie:] Remember those ones we used to have, the yorkstone, did you ever, ever had one of those? With the round.
[Ginny:] , the valours were, yeah, with, with the little er, shiny
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] handle with a bit of erm,
[Jackie:] It used to have a handle come right over when you lifted it up.
[Ginny:] That's right, yeah, that's it, yes, and about that tall with a sort of round top and a slim bit and then legs, four legs on the bottom,
[Jackie:] That's it four legs, yeah.
[Ginny:] yeah, yeah.
[Jackie:] I had for years.
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah...
[Jackie:] Making you run around is he Sammy?
[Ginny:] Done him the world of good.
[Dinda:] You're gonna sleep tonight aren't you Rocket?.
[Ginny:] I like the friendly nudge up the tail.
[Dinda:] He'll give you a kiss. Come on
[Ginny:] Give me a kiss.
[Dinda:] I'm honoured.
[Ginny:] He's a beaut.
[Dinda:] Mm, good old boy aren't you? mm. I haven't seen him stand still in one place for this long for ages.
[Ginny:] No I haven't.
[Dinda:] , it must be almost ten minutes [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] He'll make up for it.
[Dinda:] In fact Rocky's gone, Rock where you gone?
[Jackie:] Come Rocky
[Dinda:] . Funny he gets the wonder lust when he meets Sam he goes off doesn't he?
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Dinda:] Yeah, he thinks cor I'm off now Sam.
[Ginny:] Well they usually go off together you see.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Go off, on, on forays together don't they?
[Dinda:] . How old is Sam?.
[Ginny:] Gone fox hunting I think.
[Dinda:] How old is Sam?
[Jackie:] Erm he's about seven, but I'm not sure how old when I first had him, cos he's a stray, a stray.
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I think he's about under a year when,
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] not much more than a year, but they've.
[Dinda:] He's about seven then.
[Ginny:] Well he's much younger than Rocket who must be we reckon, no
[Dinda:] Rocket must be about nine or ten, oh.
[Ginny:] well he should only be eight and a half, I mean they told us he was three and a half when he was rescued.
[Dinda:] well we'll call him nine, he must be about nine.
[Ginny:] They told us three and a half, but there again a lot of rescue people do cut the ages of their dog, but, but, our, our two vets agreed he was around three and a half, between three and a half and four, look at his teeth and his coat and his bones.
[Dinda:] His eyes.
[Ginny:] Had him five years so.
[Dinda:] Yes, he's probably about
[Ginny:] Yes, between eight and a half to nine, we just in a dogs life a year, is seven of ours.
[Jackie:] Seven years.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] But, George's still just a great puppy aren't you? Still a great puppy, yes, yes. Rocket's fifty six, catching up on me. Oh there's Sheba, she's aged, by Jove she's aged,
[Dinda:] German Shepherd.
[Jackie:] I mean Roxanna at her age wasn't still very full of life,
[Dinda:] .
[Jackie:] she's only a pup. some dogs do.
[Dinda:] aged quite rapidly, we were lucky with ours cos at the time I couldn't, you know thought she was about twelve,
[Ginny:] She's very well looked after,
[Dinda:] till she was about twelve she was quite.
[Ginny:] ever so bright, yes, they were playing and chasing sticks and
[Dinda:] .
[Jackie:] I think it depends on the size.
[Ginny:] Thirteen she was.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] Actually she's not simply long coated like Roxanna was she's over coated if anything.
[Dinda:] Yeah, she is, very, very long.
[Jackie:] She is, she is, Very seldom you see a dog like that.
[Ginny:] She's very heavy and the size of her feet.
[Dinda:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] In fact she's a throw back, it's as almost as though she's got some... some... Alaskan type dog in her
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] or Husky type dog.
[Jackie:] You don't see many like that.
[Ginny:] No, no... no she's not quite full of big boned, but by Joe
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER], they've both stopped,, I don't know what they're looking at [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] They're probably listening, listening for the foxes or something.
[Jackie:] Heard something over there.
[Dinda:] , [whistle].
[Ginny:] Obviously they heard something.
[Jackie:] I'd have to take down the shore, shore tomorrow.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Saves leaving them in the car, probably only for about two hours, I don't know if it's better leaving at home or taking with me, there's.
[Ginny:] Don't you, don't you find he'd rat he'd much happier sitting in the car?
[Jackie:] He seems to be, yes
[Ginny:] Than left at home, where you've gone away somewhere without him.
[Jackie:] Well I don't really know, cos I don't know what he's like at home, you see by himself, huh.
[Ginny:] No, exactly. But my dogs have always, much rather come shopping with me and sit in the,.
[Jackie:] It's a short time though isn't it?.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Jackie:] It's not very long, see I say, what.
[Ginny:] Oh I don't know the supermarkets the best part of an hour this time of year.
[Jackie:] I suppose it is,.
[Ginny:] But, oh he's quite happy, he'll curl up in the back of a car, but when I come home and he goes so berserk if I've left him at home, I know that he's been watching and listening and waiting for me all that time.
[Jackie:] He usually sits up at the window.
[Ginny:] That's right, yeah,
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] but he knows where your car is you're not far away.
[Jackie:] Yes that's true.
[Ginny:] I think they work it out that way.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] At least you can let him, give him a run.
[Jackie:] Yes I can down there, yeah,.
[Ginny:] Yes, Mrs up just behind isn't round by the air field.
[Jackie:] Oh yes, there's the air field there isn't there?
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Jackie:] I've never been to the air field.
[Ginny:] Oh, that's where we usually end up I'm afraid.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] air field. Well we go down there for all the permits and things anyway you see, recording there with the documents the P F A.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] Look at his tail going, no don't Sam, leave it,
[Jackie:] Come on.
[Ginny:] don't kill anything else.
[Jackie:] Sammy come on,, come on.
[Dinda:] As long as it's not a fox.
[Ginny:] Yes, we can do without another fox fight.
[Jackie:] , come on Sammy... Sammy...
[Ginny:] This morning we heard two thrush's singer their spring song.
[Dinda:] Yeah, it was amazing.
[Ginny:] Beautiful
[Dinda:] Singing their hearts out.
[Jackie:] Was they?
[Ginny:] Beautiful.
[Jackie:] Think it's spring I suppose this weather.
[Ginny:] , they, remember last, end of last winter when it got mild after the cold spell, they were building their nests and then we got all that cold weather again, all the, all the fledglings were dead.
[Jackie:] They died.
[Ginny:] Nests I found when I was clearing the garden, put the little eggs in and they'd all gone cold. Yes, yes.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] But, you think they had... most of them do don't they?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] They heard the geese know when to fly North, and when to fly South and navigate by the stars and by the lay lines in the earth, it's just isn't it magical?
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] No, no way, we used to, we used to, I mean ancient man did
[Jackie:] , oh they did, yeah
[Ginny:] They navigated by the, by the ley lines, that's why you find monuments built up on hills so they could stand in the middle of the of nowhere and they could see a, they could either feel it through their feet
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] where the, where the main lines were, or they could look and see erm, what do you call them, those groups of trees on tops of hills they used
[Jackie:] Oh I know.
[Ginny:] there's one near Shoreham.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] Oh, places like that.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah.
[Ginny:] They could see them and navigate by them, if they haven't got the sun or the stars, yeah, yeah, we've lost all that of course, as we got what we called civilised, we've lost all those old skills.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] Yes
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] Yeah,
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] I was stationed right on the Pilgrims Way
[Jackie:] Really?, oh.
[Ginny:] Mm, mm,.
[Jackie:] , I erm,
[Ginny:] Oh yes.
[Jackie:] I tried to phone the, now who was it I saw, on a Saturday wasn't it, a Saturday, ah, it's still in there
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Jackie:] and I, I went home, phoned them and he said well, I got, there's nobody there, try he said between five and six that's his lunch hour [LAUGHTER], so I phoned, couldn't get, oh no I, I thought well it'll be too if I don't get so I took it home
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and I tried all weekend trying to get only there from five to seven, and I got him after five o'clock on Tuesday
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and er, I told him all about it, and I said I don't know what happened to I spoke to somebody last Monday and he was coming down immediately for it, so he sort of said, well I'll come down for it, there's a different one, he got, and he came down for it and he took it, so er,.
[Ginny:] So, who, you took it out of the bushes.
[Jackie:] Yes, I took it out of the bushes get.
[Ginny:] Yeah, it's gonna get rusted or, or
[Jackie:] Well somebody take it the owner wanted it back.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] So he's gonna look all the way through the records.
[Ginny:] So it wasn't the bicycle people that, that the two, that they were laying in ambush for, must of been the car thieves they were laying in ambush for.
[Dinda:] .
[Jackie:] four hours.
[Ginny:] Suppose they would, yes, yes.
[Jackie:] No, I think, I, I, he said, well, what with these, these he said, this is probably why he couldn't get down
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Jackie:] probably forgot it.
[Ginny:] Oh.
[Jackie:] So anyway, probably hear a name who it was.
[Ginny:] Mm, mm...
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] Yes, I hope so too, but, I have the feeling that the next, the next time we looked I don't remember it having green peddles the first time you found it
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Ginny:] Sam found it.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] I mean they were bright green, and I thought it was a different bike, I didn't even... noticed the second time if it was a ladies or a man's bike.
[Jackie:] Well it looked as cos when I picked it up, there's a sort of thing was blown over,
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Jackie:] so yes it could of been, yes, a long time actually.
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] It wasn't muddy or rusted or anything.
[Jackie:] No, no, it's got a bit of rust around the cha bit on the chain
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] but as you say, we haven't had much rain, have we,
[Ginny:] No, no.
[Jackie:] it could have been.
[Ginny:] Don't know, lost them both. They've gone off together now [whistling], another one joined in now, hello.
[speaker004:] Hello.
[Dinda:] Don't know where's Sam gone?
[Jackie:] Sammy.
[Ginny:] I'd better grab Rocket.
[Dinda:] Come on quickly.
[Ginny:] No that's Rocket.
[Dinda:] Sam.
[speaker004:] Probably
[Dinda:] Rocky come on.
[Ginny:] Ah could well be, we might see, we might see you tomorrow
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] I don't think, I don't think we'll be at the air field tomorrow.
[Jackie:] Come on.
[Ginny:] Have a nice day at Shoreham.
[Dinda:] Sam where are you?
[Ginny:] Great, enjoy yourself, bye, bye. Rocket come.
[Dinda:] Come on Rock, Rocky. I thought it might of been a women that was.
[Ginny:] .
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] You were going to help with the woman.
[Dinda:] I'm going to do my good deed for the day.
[Ginny:] Ah that's nice of you... get Stella something in here.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Why that thing at the front, that's a pretty arrangement.
[Dinda:] As long as you wrap it.
[Ginny:] Wasn't, fondue set.
[Dinda:] A fondue set, a set of glasses a cuddly toy.
[Ginny:] A hot tray.
[Dinda:] Look at these then...
[Ginny:] Well at least she'll be able to sit with it on her lap... aha I like it...
[Dinda:] No loitering, don't loiter woman.
[Ginny:] I'm too much help to the police I don't think they've, I don't think they'd move me on.
[Dinda:] Are you loitering with intent?...
[Ginny:] I wouldn't look... I like those, I wouldn't mind those in our little cottage, I like the Chintzy colours. I keep looking at suits and have ah, erm, completely unzippable covers for cleaning. Oh that's nice and warm. Came out the end of last month didn't it? Or the middle of this month.
[Dinda:] No this month.
[speaker004:] I got my.
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] Oh it's got lot's of animals in this one...
[Dinda:] .
[Ginny:] [reading] things that happened to them while they were making the African Queen and, they've turned into a story [].
[Dinda:] Mm, I think we should get something a little less heavy.
[Ginny:] A little less heavy?... Ah.
[Dinda:] up there so that must be the.
[speaker004:] .
[Ginny:] Well if you ask they might have some just brought back. Can you get it down to read it?
[Dinda:] No, it's.
[Ginny:] It's stuck there.
[Dinda:] That's stuck there..
[speaker004:] Oh no,...
[Ginny:] It's sort of rather plain cream on the back...
[Dinda:] Well done mum,.
[Ginny:] No sweetheart.
[Dinda:] Well why did it fall off then?
[Ginny:] Oh honestly I didn't touch it, I didn't
[speaker004:] .
[Ginny:] .
[speaker004:] Erm.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER] I've been mucked up, mucked it up completely now.
[Ginny:] I didn't done anything honestly I didn't.
[Dinda:] Got a nail?
[Ginny:] Oh I see they stick into the felt.
[Dinda:] Not very well.
[Ginny:] They've got all things on the back.
[Dinda:] Oh that's... it's like, oh sorry.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[Dinda:] Don't touch any more tape.
[Ginny:] Look.
[Dinda:] Oh it's.
[Ginny:] Well I, I wouldn't mind watching that, yes I, no I wouldn't I'd think it's silly, told you once I saw at the I couldn't, this doesn't want to stay up this double sided tape.
[Dinda:] , you go. I comedy don't you?
[Ginny:] .
[Dinda:] I wonder if they've got, what was that one with Leslie Neilson, the good one, Naked Gun, that's funny, is that.
[Ginny:] Hello Emma, hello Jenny, you're up early this morning.
[Turan:] Hi.
[Ginny:] What got you out of bed so early?
[Turan:] What do you mean?
[Ginny:] It's a Sunday morning you didn't have to get up.
[Turan:] I did, I opened up this morning.
[Ginny:] You had what?
[Turan:] I opened up this morning, I was suppose to open up yesterday morning as well, but I over slept.
[Ginny:] I can't say I blame you.
[Turan:] I can't believe they last night, not last night the night before, Friday night I went to bed early knowing I got to get up Saturday morning,.
[Ginny:] Yes, usually the way.
[Turan:] Sod's law in it?
[Ginny:] Yeah, absolutely.
[Turan:] Late night I was in bed by twenty past ten, I was in bed and I say I must of been asleep by half past,
[Ginny:] Good girl,
[Turan:] cos said to me are you going to sleep? I said yeah [snoring], and then I was a sleep you know.
[Ginny:] yeah.
[Turan:] And this morning oh I didn't want to get out of bed, it was so warm, ooh, didn't want to get out at all.
[Ginny:] It's funny because Dinda does the same thing.
[Turan:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Weekends she's bright and early, half past
[Turan:] That's it,
[Ginny:] seven quarter to eight, the week days when she needs to get up at quarter to seven
[Turan:] to work, that's it.
[Ginny:] she said I could of
[Turan:] I'm,
[Ginny:] slept this morning.
[Turan:] I'm generally ok during the week, thing is, I think it's probably the weather as much as anything, the days are dark isn't all,
[Ginny:] Yes,
[Turan:] it was very dark all day
[Ginny:] yes,
[Turan:] yesterday, and that makes you very tired, and it's very dark when you get up in the
[Ginny:] yeah.
[Turan:] morning's now, there you go.
[Ginny:] It's not natural really is it?
[Turan:] No, your body just doesn't want to
[Ginny:] And the animals don't want get up do they?
[Turan:] No, that's it.
[Ginny:] Poor Jenny, and what time does Nina have to get up?
[Turan:] Emma.
[Ginny:] Emma what time does Emma have to get up?
[speaker009:] This morning.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker009:] I got up about half past eight.
[Ginny:] Oh that's not too bad is it?
[Turan:] No that's quite a nice time to get up.
[Ginny:] Yeah, that's when I'm trying to stay in bed but I can't, on a Sunday.
[Turan:] That's like my mum, she can't.
[speaker009:] Ok.
[Ginny:] I can't, thank you love.
[Turan:] housework.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Turan:] Wakes up and got to hoover.
[Ginny:] Oh no I don't do that, I daren't... it's week days and I usually want to go off back to sleep...
[Turan:] I'm ok during the week, I've got into a routine of getting up and going to and all the rest of it, but weekends I have every other weekend off, it's not quite a routine is it?,
[Ginny:] No,
[Turan:] depends how possible it is.
[Ginny:] yeah.
[Turan:] my lie in so much.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER], can't say I blame you. []
[speaker009:] Bye, bye.
[Ginny:] Another dingy day today, oh, see you in the morning dear
[Turan:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Cheers. Yeah. Here's Alison... there's a good boy, there's my good lad... Who's coming?, who's coming?, who's coming Rocket?...
[speaker010:] Hi.
[Ginny:] Hello... Hello Henry, hello Lucy.
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] Hello love, your,
[speaker010:] I,
[Ginny:] you were quick.
[speaker010:] mouth full of toothpaste, what, toothpaste when you rang [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] That was quick.
[speaker010:] Well, I thought, come on a dog walk special.
[Ginny:] Well I phoned you twice before, and there's been no answer so I must,
[speaker010:] Ah, last weekend I was away,
[Ginny:] oh you did tell me, yeah, but the weekend before that I think I was late.
[speaker010:] and I decided I made it through erm, enough weekends, I really needed to go away and have a, get away from this part of the world.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] And er, it worked in consequences on which on the Monday morning I was back
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] got up and went to work and had this bloody awful throat and I thought,
[Ginny:] Oh no,
[speaker010:] you know that awful viral thing that's going around and I meant to be pass the infectious now, or I wouldn't be here with you. Good boy Henry, and erm, I think it's one of those you can cope as long as you have too and as soon as you're relaxed, you're so run down, and tired
[Ginny:] something hits you,
[speaker010:] the first bug that comes along says right
[Ginny:] yep,
[speaker010:] I'll move in here,
[Ginny:] yep
[speaker010:] and erm,
[Ginny:] Come and get it sweety, give it to me then.
[speaker010:] I felt bloody awful this week, but erm at least I can run around a bit, come on Henry bally down, bally down, sit, good boy, go charging off up there and if you throw it, you won't see where it goes it's so dark.
[Ginny:] No, no, you have to wait.
[speaker010:] Henry come back here you rotten thing. Good boy, aunties got it.
[Ginny:] Look.
[speaker010:] He's so silly, he charges off with such
[Ginny:] Good girl Ludabelle.
[speaker010:] he charges off with such enthusiasm, usually in the wrong direction [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Oh poor old Rocket, he, he runs after the ball, then runs past it and leaves it
[speaker010:] Oh no.
[Ginny:] he won't, won't really play.
[speaker010:] Well actually a girl friend of mine came round here yesterday, oh, lunch timeish was it, and erm, Henry forget his ball, he got so excited of the though of going out he put it down in the hall, came here and was thoroughly miserable all the way round, without his ball his lost, you know, a dog walk isn't a dog walk for Henry.
[Ginny:] A stick won't do?
[speaker010:] No, chases it twice and then Lucy takes on and eats it for him.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] So anyway, how's life been with you?
[Ginny:] Oh, not bad.
[speaker010:] Good.
[Ginny:] But tediously, but same as usual.
[speaker010:] Does your daughter live with you?
[Ginny:] Oh yeah
[speaker010:] or is, she does?
[Ginny:] Oh yes, oh yes, still.
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] Marvellous.
[speaker010:] One human being on your side, if.
[Ginny:] Yes. Couldn't be more right.
[speaker010:] yeah.
[Ginny:] Couldn't be more right, except that
[speaker010:] It's a funny thing though, because mother's and daughter's, and er, I love, when my mum comes up she's a dreadful sleeper and if you're having a bad time, you get up in the middle of the night to go and make a cup of tea, there's always a little voice says, yes, let's have a cup of tea dear. And you can sit and rabbit
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] to the point where my father-in-law woken up in his room with hilarious giggles which don't take long to ensue
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker010:] and it's one of life's real treats.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] Real treats.
[Ginny:] Mm, oh yes, Dinda is er, she's inclined to be a little too
[speaker010:] Protective of you.
[Ginny:] yes and she cannot discriminate her feelings.
[speaker010:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] When she disapproves of something you've said or done.
[speaker010:] As it comes.
[Ginny:] Well she does, she doesn't say it, she
[speaker010:] ,
[Ginny:] doesn't say all that much, she'll probably just get up and walk out of the room or, or heave a big sigh or something.
[speaker010:] yeah. Was a to have on your side around the place, it's probably without.
[Ginny:] You know I think I would.
[speaker010:] Yes, I'm sure you would. Oh mum rings up every now and again, father is driving me batty
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] mother you do not have to stay there, why, I mean he's quite capable looking after himself for a weekend, you know my father had a series of stroke's when he was in his fifties
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] mainly because of hard work, self induced, he was just a compulsive workaholic
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] and, he loved what he did, he that nobody could have survive, and then my mother who's mentally unimpaired, but in sudden decay overnight and she has to look after him
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] but having said that she's got a sort of ready meal, all you have to do is use one hand either pick your plate up, put it in the microwave and you've got a cooked meal
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] and on his own, and said to mum, come up here and get away for the weekend, cos it's a hell of a burden to carry, with no release, I mean even going on holiday, she has to book it, organise his packing, wash it, you name it,.
[Ginny:] Isn't it?
[speaker010:] Erm you
[Ginny:] .
[speaker010:] more often than he was, but it didn't use to be like this.
[Ginny:] The first time we had a break together, Dinda said let's go out, I said well somewhere fairly close where we can take little Rocket
[speaker010:] Yes.
[Ginny:] so we took a cottage on Canvey Island
[speaker010:] Yes.
[Ginny:] I've always heard it was a bit of a sort of a
[speaker010:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Blackpool type thing, it was beautiful, lovely countryside,
[speaker010:] You had a wonderful time,
[Ginny:] absolutely gorgeous.
[speaker010:] mm.
[Ginny:] Would you believe that he said I've got to work on the aeroplane this week, I've got the week off, I've got to work on the aeroplane, I, you know, I shall be alright, down the airfield, er on the Wednesday he arrived to see how we were getting on, complaining like made because he hadn't been able to find where the cottage was, I said but I'd left you a detailed map,
[speaker010:] Oh god.
[Ginny:] I'd left you the full address, and the telephone number and a fully detailed map.
[speaker010:] Why is he so helpless?.
[Ginny:] I said, that, erm, begrudgingly I must admit, I said, you gonna stay overnight, no, no, I've come to take you both out to dinner. He is good, I've got to work, that's an excuse
[speaker010:] Oh I know does.
[Ginny:] but I've got to work on the plane tomorrow. You know when we came back the next Saturday as we've gone through the front door, he'd gone to the Little Chef for breakfast because there weren't any crocks left to u, to use
[speaker010:] Oh no.
[Ginny:] the kitchen was piled up, I, I, Dinda took my suitcase upstairs, I'd seen to the dog, he was very, very good in the car as you know er, I took my suitcase, I couldn't get through the bedroom door, the bed clothes on the floor where it's, where we've had a sudden hot spell, he hadn't folded them up
[speaker010:] Oh, thrown them off,
[Ginny:] and put them in the spare room
[speaker010:] thrown them off.
[Ginny:] just, just, left them lying on the floor.
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] It's for spite, I mean, he was, he was quite capable of doing the.
[speaker010:] Oh yeah absolutely, like my father
[Ginny:] Just.
[speaker010:] My father likes being waited on
[Ginny:] Oh yes.
[speaker010:] mum is there and is expected to do it, I mean mum is.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] It really annoys me, and every now and again I sit him down and say now look you, oh Henry, and he adores, the actual, personally my father adores my mother and the sun has always shone out, she's the only person in the world for him
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] but, he will, I think, unwittingly use the.
[Ginny:] Was he the only son?
[speaker010:] He was the only child.
[Ginny:] Yes, yes.
[speaker010:] Absolute menace
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] but then, married, married he was one of three boys, and his mother never worked, you know she would keep the house clean, as everything, they must have father about. I love
[Ginny:] Go on.
[speaker010:] I love wallowing in a hot bath. Erm came and shower occasionally and if you bath, I said to him, do your mother ever, to pick a, a damp towel up off the floor, but, did you have a bath, and all,
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] why was it my job always to go in pick them up and.
[Ginny:] . I mean I use to do a full time job outside the home, then come back and do all the housework and the washing and the children.
[speaker010:] . This is what happen when.
[Ginny:] Let's have it then Henry, leave it.
[speaker010:] Go and find daddy.
[speaker004:] Hello.
[Ginny:] Throw my ball.
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Come on down.
[speaker010:] Bally down Henry, come along, Henry, bally down, good boy, there, there, that good and soggy and she'll really enjoy that.
[Ginny:] Oh lovely. not throw it at the cyclist had I? Better not throw it, wait
[speaker010:] , if you do up in the air, he's only got two dimensional vision Henry, he never looks up at anything.
[Ginny:] You too.
[speaker010:] But, erm, I told you the story of our cleaning lady.
[Ginny:] No.
[speaker010:] Well, two or three years ago, I said to really mad, there's me working full time, him on shifts and me Monday to Friday, nine till five, come Friday night I start and I spend the entire weekend washing, ironing, cooking, and
[Ginny:] That's right.
[speaker010:] I was just in time for Sunday night, bath, hair wash and all the usual things
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] In order to fit and to go back to work on Monday morning.
[Ginny:] That's right.
[speaker010:] And I said to him I've worked out that less in the mornings to have a firm come in, you know
[Ginny:] Molly maid, yep.
[speaker010:] to come in and blitz the place from top too bottom and if we just have them once a fortnight, the in between weekend I can whiz round,
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] because he wouldn't of got that awful.
[Ginny:] Well, not with both of you out.
[speaker010:] , and they came for eighteen months, two years, at the end of which the quality of the work had deteriorated, price was rocketing up
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] and more seriously then, insisted on coming on a Wednesday lunch time. Now Wednesday I do all the intensive care men and
[Ginny:] Yeah
[speaker010:] it's not an easy option, you really need to come home lunchtime after all of them and
[Ginny:] Relax.
[speaker010:] peace and quite, not vacuum cleaner going round
[Ginny:] Mm, mm.
[speaker010:] so I kept saying to her please would you do another day
[Ginny:] I don't know I'm not use to going in the meadows.
[speaker010:] please would you, not, come on a Wednesday by all means
[Ginny:] Lucy.
[speaker010:] but can you just avoid my lunch hour.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[speaker010:] What we gave you is the time they come and the next weekend they were back again, and I'd warned them several times and in the end I said look forget it, and I had it, you know, the works gone off, erm, and as far as I'm concerned it's Wednesday nights, I've really got to, and the price I started to pay, is no longer worth it to me. [whistling], Rocket.He's eating something little devil.
[Ginny:] Stop it, no. Come, come, come, come on. as your told.
[speaker010:] Erm, and I said to him you will help me won't you, you won't go back to me doing everything, oh lord he said, I'll, I'll do my share, so we went back to a routine, whereby I did, washing, ironing, cooking, cleaning, washing the car, mowing the lawn, doing the flower beds, and the doing the, he walked the dog.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER], oh typical.
[speaker010:] And I was never terrible short, sorry Henry didn't mean to tread on you. Never, take note, not down here it's full of leaves and you'll never find it again. I never saw that it was quite in balance, but you know you just, it's a case, if somebody else doesn't do something and you can't stand looking at it you will get on and do it,
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] which is something they get to rely on... and I should keep thinking, that's a hell of a for them because he's never in all our married life washed a sock
[Ginny:] No.
[speaker010:] I mean, clean clothes just magically appeared and ironed,
[Ginny:] Mind you that.
[speaker010:] and at the moment he's living in a hostel where, I don't know too much about it, where you have clean sheets put on for them
[Ginny:] Oh, how nice.
[speaker010:] endless hot water, but I mean I. I can't remember, his life, he's trying to find what an iron looks like, he's never ironed a hanky in his life.
[Ginny:] My husband hasn't.
[speaker010:] Never, ever.
[Ginny:] I can't, I can't remember Pete ever changing sheets on the bed, ever.
[speaker010:] No, it doesn't cross their mind.
[Ginny:] Not even when I got a new baby was it.
[speaker010:] Did you ever, did he ever clean the loo's for you?
[Ginny:] No, oh no.
[speaker010:] Why was, that's what really used to get to me.
[Ginny:] I lead.
[speaker010:] Come back
[Ginny:] I, I,
[speaker010:] from work as a somebody and at home I was the loo cleaner.
[Ginny:] yes, I had exactly the same thing, being a top flight secretary at work
[speaker010:] Yes, come home and nothing but the lady with
[Ginny:] Yes,
[speaker010:] the Harpic, with her head down the loo.
[Ginny:] that's right, and not even, not even a word of appreciation for, a, a sale you've clinched or a good impression you've made on the end deal
[speaker010:] It's that, that is the ultimate thing, that is the ultimate thing,
[Ginny:] or something.
[speaker010:] no, it is all
[Ginny:] Which reflects on
[speaker010:] taken as red, with no credit given to you
[Ginny:] your boss of course. That's right.
[speaker010:] if on the other hand he has haven't done your chores, on a Sunday, er, how do you expect him to live in a place like this.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] Excuse me we both live here, we both work full time.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] And in fact he had more useful hours of daylight in the evening than I did.
[Ginny:] Well I use, I use to work longer hours.
[speaker010:] Yes.
[Ginny:] Than my husband did..
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] Cos I was out with my first daughter at quarter to eight in the morning to catch the bus to take her to adopted aunty
[speaker010:] Mm.
[Ginny:] and he was still sort of erm, just.
[speaker010:] Jerking.
[Ginny:] Yes, exactly, and I'd be out in all weather's to catch the bus,
[speaker010:] yes.
[Ginny:] erm, and then get back and I, I was worked
[speaker010:] It was,
[Ginny:] eight thirty to five thirty
[speaker010:] and it's a long day and then you'd have to come back and your day's far from over.
[Ginny:] Oh too true.
[speaker010:] Then you and said right
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] It's not just the cooking, I mean he can cook, but you need somebody else to say, what are we going to have and either go and buy it or this and that and
[Ginny:] They don't think about it.
[speaker010:] It's all that.
[Ginny:] What about the clearing up when they have, when they have cooked.
[speaker010:] Oh yes.
[Ginny:] The use three dishes and bowls for everyone
[speaker010:] Oh yeah,
[Ginny:] you've used.
[speaker010:] oh absolutely, absolutely.
[Ginny:] It's horrendous.
[speaker010:] Yes, they, it really is extraordinary.
[Ginny:] My son in law's, one of them is not too good
[speaker010:] Good morning.
[Ginny:] but at least he does decorate, good morning, he does decorating and things and he helps like that,
[speaker010:] Henry bally please.
[Ginny:] and he will do a bit of washing up, they don't want to use the washing up machine.
[speaker010:] Henry bally, come on bally down, come on Ginny.
[Ginny:] But my middle son in law is absolutely marvellous. He wants, he wants to [LAUGHTER].
[speaker010:] did he come out off?, [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] I don't know.
[speaker010:] Watch him Henry, watch him.
[Ginny:] His mother had two sons, and she said they're not going to be helpless, you've lost it stupid.
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] They both went into the Scout's and the Rangers and Edie made each of them do their own bed, do their bedrooms on Saturday's
[speaker010:] Oh.
[Ginny:] and now, I mean, Debbie, Debbie has... well Debbie is
[speaker010:] And somebody somewhere is reaping the benefit of appreciate all
[Ginny:] Debbie's got this horrendous pregnancy having lost two baby's you see
[speaker010:] Yes.
[Ginny:] she's got this horrendous pregnancy
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] now, and Richard is working all day and because Debbie's been told she's got to have bed, bed rest
[speaker010:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Erm, he'll come in in the evening he's done the shopping, he cleans the house, they live in a converted barn
[speaker010:] Mm.
[Ginny:] so you can imagine how big it is.
[speaker010:] don't.
[Ginny:] He vacuums, he cooks her a meal
[speaker010:] Oh god
[Ginny:] To try and tempt her appetite because she's throwing up
[speaker010:] Did you say she had two son's?, is the other one married?.
[Ginny:] Two sons, the other one's dead.
[speaker010:] Oh shame [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Yep.
[speaker010:] That's my sort of chap.
[Ginny:] Yep. I'm afraid he er
[speaker010:] Yet there are some around.
[Ginny:] he was one of the sixties products who got onto all the drugs and things
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] Yep, and had a stroke, a brain haemorrhage.
[speaker010:] Oh lord.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[speaker010:] But you know honestly, the mother's like Ken, who do their children absolutely no, no, they're now the proud owner's of three sons all of them, well John's on his second marriage, Ken's on his second marriage and will be on his second marriage
[Ginny:] Yep.
[speaker010:] and quite honestly, I think they not only do they not bring them up to do, I mean useful like that, but I thought Ken's his family never showed any affection any warmth, any caring, any love, and I would do anything for anyone if they just say thank you, but with Ken
[Ginny:] My mother in law, was just, that, the other way round. She was drooling all over him
[speaker010:] Oh.
[Ginny:] in his fifties, it was my baby boy.
[speaker010:] Oh.
[Ginny:] It used to make you want to throw up sometimes.
[speaker010:] Believe.
[Ginny:] I couldn't believe it when I first, first year of marriage and when I got pregnant, er, we'd walk into her, well it's her daughter's erm sitting room, she'd struggle up out of an arm chair and I'd think oh gosh, I know she mustn't get up for me, got the tummy out here,
[speaker010:] Yes.
[Ginny:] and the baby have this chair, not her pregnant daughter in law, but her baby boy.
[speaker010:] Oh god.
[Ginny:] All six foot of him.
[speaker010:] Oh poor little soul. Oh Jesus how can you.
[Ginny:] No darling you mustn't do that, I'll shall, I'll shall take your cup out.
[speaker010:] Let her get on with it? Well I worked, he took me out
[Ginny:] Yeah, but, I had to take over, where she left off.
[speaker010:] I know, it is alarming isn't it? I, it took me a long time, time to realise that one can be for a mug.
[Ginny:] otherwise the place was a tip.
[speaker010:] Oh yes, I used to live, we used to live in a three bedroomed semi in before we moved to our present house, and one Christmas Ken said why don't all our family to us, which was his mother, his father, his elder brother, his wife, two little girls from them, Tony, Karen and their little one
[Ginny:] God.
[speaker010:] grandmother and I think there was an aunt, and I said Ken were living in a three bedroomed semi, oh they won't mind for Christmas.
[Ginny:] They won't mind.
[speaker010:] And they rang up, and they said were sending you a list of what we expect to be available in the way of food at Christmas because we always have the same thing.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] , and I ended up virtually people in a fish tank.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] And they all said now look is there anything we can do and I said no, it's not, if you're coming to me as far as I'm concerned I will do it, you need anything and I will cope. not one of those females worked
[Ginny:] Oh no.
[speaker010:] they were all at home all day I was
[Ginny:] Oh no.
[speaker010:] the only one who worked full time, they came on Christmas Eve with reluctant, because I said look I'm sorry but I have to work Christmas Eve lunch time, and they said right we'll be there at five past one, and I finish at one, there were there at five past one, they finally left two days after Christmas because I said I'm sorry I have to go back to work today.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] Oh, oh, well we'd better go then, but we'll come back next year because that was good I said no I'm sorry you won't actually I'm going I've done my little bit for a while, no one else.
[Ginny:] my daughter's now.
[speaker010:] And I thought what a fool, none of them work
[Ginny:] No.
[speaker010:] and I spend the whole bloody lot slaving all Christmas
[Ginny:] You should have said so and so could you come and do so and so love, my daughter's now do Christmas for me
[speaker010:] Jesus.
[Ginny:] because one Christmas about four,
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] four years ago
[speaker010:] chain saw?
[Ginny:] I think so.
[speaker010:] Henry, Lucy [chain saw] Lucy, oh she's such a rat bag, hang on to go and get her over here.
[Ginny:] Come on, come on, it's a horrible noise isn't it? Oh yes, it's just under growth.
[speaker010:] You know we were saying about erm
[Ginny:] Foxes and rabbits
[speaker010:] Claire and
[Ginny:] Yeah, oh great.
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] Great. But I found that
[speaker010:] But erm,
[Ginny:] now, I mean my girls used to come to me with boy, boy friends as they grew up and then husbands, but they always help, they always
[speaker010:] yeah,
[Ginny:] helped with the bedrooms and things like that you see,
[speaker010:] now that's what I the family would do.
[Ginny:] the clearing up, they always gave a hand, but even so, they, they didn't realise that the three weeks before hand
[speaker010:] The sheer graft of trading round the shops, getting it all in, humping it all home,
[Ginny:] The lists, the planning, the food.
[speaker010:] packing it all away
[Ginny:] Yes, yes, and all the rest of it.
[speaker010:] and all the rest of it. Oh my god.
[Ginny:] My husband's eh, never bought the Christmas presents, he buys one and usually he'd only get that from one of the girls, what shall I get mum can you do.
[speaker010:] So he doesn't actually go out and do
[Ginny:] He doesn't have to do anything, but about four Christmas's ago I had the whole lot down, I had nine of us for the whole Christmas week, erm, Boxing Day I went in the kitchen, two of Diane's friends had arrived, who lived in London and I went in the kitchen, I'd had a bad dose of the flu virus that was
[speaker010:] Oh,
[Ginny:] going around and I'd worked right through it because of all the Christmas preparation
[speaker010:] we don't have another option do you?
[Ginny:] and I went into the kitchen and I fell down, first time in my life, I've never passed out, not
[speaker010:] That's right,
[Ginny:] even in pregnancies or anything
[speaker010:] mm.
[Ginny:] next thing I remember was being undressed and in bed with Debbie standing there with a boiled egg on a tray, saying mummy were so sorry you'll never do Christmas again, you've done it for us for forty years, we shall do it for you now.
[speaker010:] Oh, bless her cotton socks.
[Ginny:] And they have ever since.
[speaker010:] Oh bless them, and let them keep on doing it.
[Ginny:] But there again you see I go in the kitchen and say right, want to do spuds
[speaker010:] Here I am, shall I start on this, or do you want me to do that, I know
[Ginny:] Yeah, what would you like me to do?
[speaker010:] Yes.
[Ginny:] If, I say, if you want me out of the kitchen just say so, I don't want to be under your feet.
[speaker010:] But if absolutely you won't go quietly, but
[Ginny:] And they either say go and read the paper mum, I'll call you in half an hour.
[speaker010:] Yes, and then you'll feel you don't want to be, yes absolutely, I know.
[Ginny:] And we get on fine.
[speaker010:] It takes you a long while to realise what a twit you've been for so long.
[Ginny:] Yes. Oh bless their hearts, they'd always helped, but they hadn't realised I think.
[speaker010:] Yes but until you are the one who does it you have no comprehension of what is involved.
[Ginny:] Yes, yes, Diane was the first
[speaker010:] This year I have my mummy and my daddy coming up for a couple of days and that will be fine
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] I enjoy
[Ginny:] But I'm
[speaker010:] looking after them.
[Ginny:] forty now you see, so.
[speaker010:] Well I'm forty two.
[Ginny:] Yeah, well my eldest daughter's forty
[speaker010:] Is she?
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] Oh which is the one that is pregnant with the terrible time?
[Ginny:] That's Debbie, she's, she's, she'll be thirty this month...
[speaker010:] Yes, it's a funny old thing, actually I must tell you I feel an awful lot better since I've passed my I suppose, last Friday I saw a Solicitor and the divorce is now actually sat up on it's merry way rejoicing, and
[Ginny:] I think you're much better off.
[speaker010:] for the first time since he went
[Ginny:] I envy you.
[speaker010:] I actually slept the entire night, because I thought goody, as soon as the divorce goes off, the sooner I'm on my way out of the ar oh Rocky [LAUGHTER], Rocky your head was in the way it was your own silly fault
[Ginny:] He's got nothing left, he's got nothing left..
[speaker010:] , he's probably widdleing nothing, poor that wasn't worth sitting down for, no to think that once I've gone on, which I did on Friday, I'm now on my way out the other end
[Ginny:] [whispering] [].
[speaker010:] it's absolute bliss.
[Ginny:] [whispering] [].
[speaker010:] Yes, I think I do.
[Ginny:] Oh [whispering] [].
[speaker010:] I was talking to my girls honestly say, it never crosses my mind
[Ginny:] On my own with, with
[speaker010:] to think I wish he'd come back I get back to how life was cos I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
[Ginny:] . No, no.
[speaker010:] Absolutely not for anything. Oh life begins again and as I say I'm only forty two, it isn't that.
[Ginny:] Oh crikey no, you're just beginning love
[speaker010:] And erm, I'm sure after this.
[Ginny:] I'd, I'd I'd got a four year old toddler and a and a eighteen month old crawler when, when I was your age.
[speaker010:] Really?
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] Good lord.
[Ginny:] Yes, so life had started again for me.
[speaker010:] The bally down, bally down.
[Ginny:] Except, that, except that of course I was doing everything for everybody.
[speaker010:] Yes,.
[Ginny:] No, help with anything, that was after the emergen emergency Caesar and everything.
[speaker010:] Henry come back here.
[Ginny:] I'm, I think I had to do a days.
[speaker010:] , it's lovely.
[Ginny:] Don't throw it too far otherwise.
[speaker010:] The longer you throw, the more, good boy, it's so well hidden in the leaves, it's exactly the same colour that's the trouble this time of year, but no, life is a funny thing, and I find it personally very hard to believe that only two months ago, I mean what is it nine weeks ago, and I suddenly had an enormous view
[Ginny:] Yes,
[speaker010:] and yet here you are,
[Ginny:] It knocks you on your heels doesn't it?.
[speaker010:] absolutely.
[Ginny:] I can see it, it knocked you back on your heels.
[speaker010:] But you find that you can do things you've never dreamt of.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] You find out who your friends are.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] And erm, it's far from being the end of the world, and I think in a way
[Ginny:] Partly true, yes it is.
[speaker010:] he's given me a life line, so jolly well it happened and enjoy life.
[Ginny:] Well both my daughters are married to
[speaker010:] That's what I'm going to do,
[Ginny:] divorced men.
[speaker010:] yes, and I sometimes think that way I know with Ken's two brothers the way they behaved with wife number one and the way they are with wife number two is a different world.
[Ginny:] Hello love.
[speaker004:] How are you?
[Ginny:] Fine
[speaker010:] Are you
[Ginny:] and you?
[speaker010:] steam and strimmer?
[speaker004:] That's right, yeah.
[Ginny:] Isn't it noisy?.
[speaker010:] You've got a job here haven't you?
[Ginny:] Do you wear
[speaker004:] .
[Ginny:] Do you wear ear things?
[speaker004:] Oh yeah. Deaf pretty quickly.
[speaker010:] Oh excuse us [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Yes you would, be careful he get's between your legs and goes.
[speaker010:] Want to sing with a high pitched voice, you'll never have a better chance.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]. They both do that, Lucy and Henry both do that, shove their heads
[speaker010:] Lucy,
[Ginny:] between your legs and go
[speaker010:] yes they're both totally shame less and their heads are like that, Lucy come and see say hello to. mother who was the one they inherited
[Ginny:] Oh they,
[speaker010:] it from, so do be warned.
[Ginny:] come away from the foxes please.
[speaker010:] Rocket.
[Ginny:] Come on away from the foxes, picks up any bits the foxes have left and then he get's an upset stomach and that's another thirty pounds at the vet.
[speaker004:] That much is it?
[Ginny:] Well, yes, once they have
[speaker010:] Oh it's horrendous isn't it?.
[Ginny:] an injection and been back for a check up, yes it's a good thirty pounds, you can't step in the door really without twenty five pounds.
[speaker010:] No, yes, I think it's.
[Ginny:] Even for their injections every year you know, and the, their worming twice a year.
[speaker010:] I can understand if they take time on a stray dog I often wondered if they realise
[Ginny:] He was, he was in the rescue.
[speaker010:] what they're walking into,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] the pet rules, were saying whether it's a pedigree.
[Ginny:] Oh well I've it because I've had two pedigree's
[speaker010:] Hey, hey, hey, hey, don't be horrible,
[Ginny:] It's alright.
[speaker010:] don't be horrible., right.
[Ginny:] I think they were only talking.
[speaker010:] Oh, oh thank you very much dog. [LAUGHTER], good think I'm in my dog walker's.
[Ginny:] And it was a white sweater, clean white sweater.
[speaker010:] [LAUGHTER], it's an oldy.
[Ginny:] I put on my old trouser's and welly boots this morning, it said it was going to be so messy.
[speaker010:] Well I thought of my wellies and I thought, I was just worried about falling of the pebbles, mind you, safe as these.
[Ginny:] I can only wear short ones otherwise they catch on the back of the driving seat and I don't like that.
[speaker010:] It's horrible.
[Ginny:] Anything that makes me,im impedes me, yes.
[speaker010:] normal progress.
[Ginny:] Yes, just happened at the wrong time.
[speaker010:] Well this week I have to fly up to Liverpool on the early morning shuttle
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] on Thursday, we go on a book buying expedition, every year, June and me, we choose a lot of books of, but it's a lot more fun to go and actually pick the things off the shelve
[Ginny:] Oh lovely.
[speaker010:] and there's a library supplier, advertised to a box shop up in Lytham Saint Anne's
[Ginny:] So it's all paid for.
[speaker010:] oh yes, shuttle
[Ginny:] Ah?
[speaker010:] oh you'll love it, on the shuttle with the representative of Midlands, the firm get's us the other end and drives up to, we spend all day hacking around.
[Ginny:] on the shelves there. I didn't know they had a big library.
[speaker010:] Oh, yes, it's a three million books, it's called Help Jackson, it's one of the very, very old and that, I literally
[Ginny:] Oh so, the public is nothing [LAUGHTER].
[speaker010:] three million books on the shelve, and we don't have time going properly at the price so we go anything you want, bung it on the trolley and soon as the trolleys full it's taken away and another one given, and you poke around and then in the evening, you stay in a hotel overnight, and then the following morning, they get and you just sort of send up the money and they just shout up the money as we go, then, every time I get to a thousand they say one, two, and you say right, tell me when I get near three, [LAUGHTER] and I've got this erm, I'm dreadful at maths, I failed maths O Level three times and I don't think about prices, I've never been more than fifteen pounds out.
[Ginny:] Carry a computer.
[speaker010:] I can't, you haven't got time.
[Ginny:] No.
[speaker010:] I've never been more than fifteen pounds out, at the end of the day which is unbelievable.
[Ginny:] Well, very good.
[speaker010:] It's just somewhere.
[Ginny:] This is what the Government pay for?
[speaker010:] This is all for provided for Broadmoor.
[Ginny:] For the, for the inmates of Broadmoor?
[speaker010:] Yeah oh yes.
[Ginny:] They have a, a life of Riley don't they?
[speaker010:] Well, the trouble is that they've got a closed
[Ginny:] Think about it.
[speaker010:] population, whereas in a public library there are people using the, some of for life so therefore you can't even send year in and year out they have to constantly changing
[Ginny:] Huh, you have more sympathy for them than I do.
[speaker010:] aha, ha.
[Ginny:] My first sympathy is with the people that they're in there because of, if you see what I mean? Hello love, I mean if they, if they were in cells without any books to read or televisions to watch I wouldn't have that much sympathy, my sympathy is with the little girls
[speaker010:] Yes.
[Ginny:] who've been left
[speaker010:] Oh yes, I can understand that, but it's in the same way as
[Ginny:] assaulted in bushes,
[speaker010:] you don't hate someone, because they have to
[Ginny:] oh no I don't hate them.
[speaker010:] you don't hate someone cos they have Leukaemia, you can't really hate someone
[Ginny:] Oh no,
[speaker010:] who has schizophrenia, they're, they're because they've
[Ginny:] no,
[speaker010:] done something, because of the illness.
[Ginny:] I feel sorry for them there, but for the grace of god, does anyone of us? If they're sick in their heads, if they're sick in their heads and they have to rape little girls.
[speaker010:] Mm.
[Ginny:] But my first thought is for the little girls
[speaker010:] Oh yes, I.
[Ginny:] and I would stick a needle in their bottom while they were fast asleep, so they didn't wake up any more, just like you would with an animal that does that.
[speaker010:] Mm, it's very easy to think that, until you know them as people, I must admit, there are,
[Ginny:] Yes, I can see your point,
[speaker010:] there is a hardcore, see, it's not necessarily what they've done, but when you meet them there's something instinctively repulsive about them
[Ginny:] yes.
[speaker010:] and not in, not necessarily the most seriousness, something the way they look at you
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] that to me is a hundred per cent unacceptable
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] and you just think yuck and you have to try and cover over, you can't say, god you're vile aren't you? [LAUGHTER], but erm,
[Ginny:] Well I remember, so I used to talk to the nurses quite a lot when I walked Roxanna, my other German shepherd, in Wellington
[speaker010:] Yes.
[Ginny:] and quite a lot of the nurses used to walk their nurses, I mean they're er war trained and unarmed combat and they're wardens, let's face it, they're not nurses, and one of them was saying to me, oh we had a fellow in the other day, he'd, he'd a, fallen up the police stations steps I think erm, he said that he'd been to see the do gooders, he had this interview
[speaker010:] Mm.
[Ginny:] and he convinced them he didn't need an operation, he was, he was cured, he'd had his treatment,psy psychiatrist that seen him and he was all right thank you, he said, and they're so clever they can convince anybody on the outside
[speaker010:] Oh yes, yes. Yes we ask a psychopath now why
[Ginny:] Exactly, and as they took him back to his room, not his cell, but his room, he turned to my, my mate who was with me and said er, I don't want an operation I like having sex with little girls, he said now I've got two little girls and I had to turn and walk away
[speaker010:] [cough] mm.
[Ginny:] I said I can understand, he said I had to turn and walk away because my fingers were itching
[speaker010:] Yes, I find it a lot easier actually not to know what they've done, when you start work there you tend to come over these cases, which to do
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] as much as anything, but it's only cos you're writing a letter, and you say oh hello you writing a letter to mum, he says no I killed her to come here, you don't put your foot in it a big way, but after a while because you know nobody there is nice it really makes a lot of difference people
[Ginny:] .
[speaker010:] you don't think oh here comes a rapist, here's a sex offender, he's a whatever, just to take them as they come as people, because you've got to treat them all the same anyway
[Ginny:] Yes, but this fellow you see, I said to him erm, you had a lot to do with that fellow, he'd, he'd been down to collect him from someone on the South Coast as well with a police of course, and I said what happened to the little girl? he said oh she's been in psychiatric care, care for four years
[speaker010:] oh yeah.
[Ginny:] and there's no chance of her, and she was shattered, her, her life was ruined.
[speaker010:] Oh their life's can be totally wrecked, I don't doubt it for a moment.
[Ginny:] But I didn't have much sympathy for the man who was
[speaker010:] There, there are those who it gives a going out and
[Ginny:] Who's got a cigarette ration and his television,
[speaker010:] you think, oh my god, you know, I'll put loads of money on him,.
[Ginny:] yeah, do you remember the one, two or three years ago who talked to do gooders, that he was, he was fine and he was let out and first, within twenty four hours he'd gone down to the South Coast and killed his mother and his girl friend
[speaker010:] Yes, oh yes.
[Ginny:] just like that.
[speaker010:] Yes, there are those who.
[Ginny:] I mean I would, I would I'd stick a needle in their bottoms just like I would for a dog that had gone b, gone bad, I'd say poor creature can't help it
[speaker010:] There are some, but then you see Ginny there's a girl in there.
[Ginny:] I feel sorry for the victims
[speaker010:] There's a girl in there killed her daddy, but whey did she kill daddy, she killed daddy because
[Ginny:] Cos dad,
[speaker010:] he'd raped her and abused her from
[Ginny:] yes,
[speaker010:] the age of six and a half
[Ginny:] well she shouldn't be in there.
[speaker010:] Who's, who's the wrong one there?.
[Ginny:] She shouldn't be in there.
[speaker010:] She needs help.
[Ginny:] She shouldn't be in there.
[speaker010:] Exactly, but I mean I rest my case, there's, when you know their entire story, some of them, it makes you wonder who's more sinning against than sinning... it's a strange affair.
[Ginny:] I think she had every right to.
[speaker010:] Yes, so do I,.
[Ginny:] Just to fight.
[speaker010:] But then future is hatred of men, she's likely to go out and kill every other
[Ginny:] Yes,
[speaker010:] man she comes across.
[Ginny:] yes.
[speaker010:] Your duties then is to protect the outside world and her from her health.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] So I mean it, it's obviously a lot more sort of complicated as it seems on the outside.
[speaker004:] take everyone individual.
[speaker010:] Henry, come back you silly thing.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker004:] .
[speaker010:] Come here and sit.
[Ginny:] What a lot of walk for your fuel wasn't it? Can't you get your van down? It's a long walk.
[speaker004:] .
[speaker010:] You like suffering be honest, you like suffering.
[Ginny:] You drove past me the other day when I drov, was it you? When I
[speaker010:] [cough]
[speaker004:] I did drive the other day, yeah.
[Ginny:] When I whipped him, when I whipped him into the side just down there.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] I heard this, this, a range rover coming ever so, ever so patiently behind me at walking pace, I suddenly realised there was something behind me.
[speaker010:] Was that a Sunday morning walk Ginny?.
[speaker004:] a bit busier on the Sunday.
[Ginny:] I think so, yes, yes.
[speaker010:] Walked all around yesterday lunch time, didn't see a soul in the pla, I saw one, was it you, on the back meadow?
[speaker004:] I wasn't there yesterday.
[speaker010:] There was one chap in the green thingy, yeah. Oh you're so butch and Henry, bye, bye
[Ginny:] Don't work too hard.
[speaker010:] I'll see you, phone you one day in the week, I saw the post lady coming up the drive and I said to Henry who's that, he threw himself against the top window so there was indeed someone coming up the drive, tore into the dinning room, picked up his tennis ball, raced back to the window and wow, wow, wow, with his ball in his mouth, and I said Henry you're really going to frightened off intruders with a ball in your mouth, I said [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Oh no, honestly he would, if there was strangers.
[speaker010:] Yes, oh I'm sure he would, but I mean,.
[Ginny:] Wow, wow, wow is enough, yes, he goes mad at the post, he drags it all across, all across the hall, all through the lounge.
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] Oh yes, I would too if they had one.
[speaker010:] , ring up the and say sorry my dog ate it.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] Yes, oh Rocket, for the first few months I had him, after he was rescued, and he was so protective of me, because I'd given him a good home and never, never hit him in the face.
[speaker010:] It's so, take sides
[Ginny:] No he goes up, he puts his,
[speaker010:] Is he yours?.
[Ginny:] no put's his paws on Keith and wags his tail and says, hit me.
[speaker010:] I'll take it.
[Ginny:] I'll take, that's what he was... got used to you see
[speaker010:] Really.
[Ginny:] Can't bear angry voices, first he used to go underneath the rocking chair
[speaker010:] And hide.
[Ginny:] and hide, now, even if Keith's arguing with the television, which he would, Politician, he'll still go up and put his paws up on his knee, wag his tail, and bury his head and say, hit me instead,
[speaker010:] Here I am, oh
[Ginny:] I'm, I'm the punch bag
[speaker010:] Oh painful.
[Ginny:] and I'd call him
[speaker010:] Oh,
[Ginny:] and then give him a game and take his mind off it, and take him in the kitchen give him
[speaker010:] oh poor Rocket,
[Ginny:] a, give him a chew or a treat or something you know.
[speaker010:] poor Rocket, god how awful.
[Ginny:] Roxanna if ever, er god forbid, if ever he's raised his hand, Roxanna would have had him I think
[speaker010:] Though she never did with you really because that, I
[Ginny:] Threatened her once or twice.
[speaker010:] out the door like that I'd put them out the door just like that.
[Ginny:] yes.
[speaker010:] You've got to.
[Ginny:] Oh yes, oh yes, now he knows better.
[speaker010:] Good.
[Ginny:] Dinda's er trained him along,, well, a very good self defence.
[speaker010:] Mm.
[Ginny:] And she's had no hesitation, she'll.
[speaker010:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Absolutely.
[speaker010:] Unbelievable.
[Ginny:] She would knife him if she had too, and then of course she'd end up in Broadmoor,.
[speaker010:] We'd love to look after her you see.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker010:] I use the word love very, very loosely, like be honest I don't think I love, you can feel the that love
[Ginny:] Yeah,
[speaker010:] is not one of the emotions.
[Ginny:] I think there is sympathy erm for the people who are sick of course I can.
[speaker010:] I think some, some of the illness are so devastatingly terrified, that you can only think thank god, not to have that, because it must be so frightening, unlike some of these schizophrenia are hair raising
[Ginny:] Yes,
[speaker010:] but there are undoubtedly
[Ginny:] Yes,
[speaker010:] is the good, bad and the ugly in there
[Ginny:] Yes,
[speaker010:] and there are some who are on a very trip from here to jail
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] because if some of ours were in jail, they'd be killed.
[Ginny:] Of course.
[speaker010:] Sex offenders, and rape little girls, hurt policeman, they're not liked.
[Ginny:] They always get beaten up.
[speaker010:] They would never survive
[Ginny:] Yeah, especially when it's their own little girl
[speaker010:] never survive,
[Ginny:] their own little children.
[speaker010:] but some of them are repulsive
[Ginny:] Yeah
[speaker010:] I won't kid you, and it's very hard to say good morning John how are you, when you're thinking, and you're thinking you stay your side of. hand full always
[Ginny:] from the back of your, back of your necks going.
[speaker010:] in the you think please god don't let Joe Bloggs come out this morning, good morning Joe, first one out [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Yeah, yes. Ball done then, ball done, ball done, that's have the last one, thank you.
[speaker010:] Bally down, last time, throw the bally, last one.
[Ginny:] Thank you.
[speaker010:] Henry you're going the wrong way, as usual.
[Ginny:] This way, it's more easier to see, not quite so many leaves.
[speaker010:] Good boy.
[Ginny:] Can't play cricket with a jacket on can you?
[speaker010:] , good ball, you find it, where's Lulabelle gone? Lucy!
[Ginny:] Rocket!
[speaker010:] Oh no.
[Ginny:] They've taken each other for a walk, I think they, I think they're having a little flirtation, I think they're over there,
[speaker010:] Lucy, I think I hear.
[Ginny:] Rocket come,
[speaker010:] Lucy.
[Ginny:] Come.
[speaker010:] Come here darling.
[Ginny:] Come, come
[speaker010:] Henry and Lucy Lu.
[Ginny:] I'm glad to see you so happy and bright.
[speaker010:] Oh I am, I'm,
[Ginny:] Enjoying your job,
[speaker010:] I'm not letting the bugger get me down that's for sure.
[Ginny:] and, and if ever you think of it, just think Ginny would give her back, back teeth.
[speaker010:] Do you know, it's a most peculiar thing, a number of people who said, erm, one of our really made me laugh, a couple of Friday's ago, came and said to me, typical, Christ, he's done you a big favour hasn't he? What you mean? He said, it's bloody wonderful you said, it's taken years off you and I said thank you.
[Ginny:] It has, it has, it has.
[speaker010:] It's not all bad Ginny, it really isn't, and a number of women who think, Christ is alarming, you know.
[Ginny:] Yes, yeah.
[speaker010:] But now.
[Ginny:] Well to be quite, to be quite honestly sweety, I mean, I look at him and I think I'm not unfond of him
[speaker010:] Mm.
[Ginny:] He's the father of my three girls
[speaker010:] Mm.
[Ginny:] who's in my life,
[speaker010:] Oh yes, yeah.
[Ginny:] and if it hadn't been for him I wouldn't have them,
[speaker010:] Yes.
[Ginny:] mind you, I'd have somebody else's.
[speaker010:] your girls are your daughters
[Ginny:] Yes, but you know for years, when they were growing up in their teens, I was the... the tennis net between him and his daughters, where's she going, who's she going with, who's bringing her home, is she wearing eye make up, why's she wearing nylons and not ankle socks,
[speaker010:] Oh no,
[Ginny:] I was always the buffer between the two, I used to say I agree with you dear, I don't want her to wear nylons, that's not the point, all her friends are wearing nylons and she's not going to be the
[speaker010:] that's right, do you want
[Ginny:] odd one out.
[speaker010:] up on her own?
[Ginny:] She's not going to feel the odd one out.
[speaker010:] Mm.
[Ginny:] It doesn't make much difference to us, we're not that hard up, that we can't afford
[speaker010:] So you're really getting it all along the line aren't you?
[Ginny:] until they left home, first of all it was I break his bloody neck taking advantage of my daughter, cos they each lived with their
[speaker010:] Oh yeah.
[Ginny:] boy, boy friends before, they married them, they weren't sleep, if they'd been sleeping around then I would of said something, then I would of said something to them,
[speaker010:] Something else, oh yes, yes.
[Ginny:] but it was one man and they stuck to him, and they, they lived with them first and then they married.
[speaker010:] Do you, honestly in this day and age I don't think that's a really bad thing, because until you're with someone all the time, who knows what, you'd never have got in, you'd never have gone in would you?.
[Ginny:] Only too, god if I lived with him first, I would never of married him, no, no, no way
[speaker010:] No.
[Ginny:] No way, if I'd known him.
[speaker010:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] The whole courtship was a tissue of lies, you know.
[speaker010:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Where he lived, where, when he was born, where he was born, what his parents did
[speaker010:] Really?
[Ginny:] Everything was lies.
[speaker010:] Can't believe him I really don't.
[Ginny:] Complete lies, yeah.
[speaker010:] . Any way we'll continue this merry saga and put
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] the world's to right weekend.
[Ginny:] And now I had a lovely fellow I'd grown up with in the same village, the same sort of background, we'd known each other since we were eleven, twelve,
[speaker010:] Oh dear, where's he now?
[Ginny:] he's still in love with me he says, in eh, working in Birmingham, living in Bristol.
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] Phones me up now and again, oh yeah, I'll have you. Still dreams about me
[speaker010:] Well you never, ever know Ginny
[Ginny:] .
[speaker010:] one day I'll tell you a story.
[Ginny:] Met him in Stratford last summer when Dinda and I had a cottage,
[speaker010:] tell you a story,
[Ginny:] Dinda and I had a cottage in Stratford last, we made sure that father was going to Plymouth to Debbie's for the week, he said he adores it down there
[speaker010:] yeah.
[Ginny:] he didn't really like it, but he had a lovely week, but at least we didn't come back to a house that's full of
[speaker010:] Oh absolutely.
[Ginny:] full bedclothes and dirty crock. Hello, hello, hello,.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] She had, she had so many warnings
[Jackie:] And I thought oh god
[Ginny:] But he looks bright.
[Jackie:] He went yesterday, I was gonna come up this afternoon and tell you when Peter came home, can't leave him, he was so naughty yesterday, he licked,
[Ginny:] Atten,
[Jackie:] he licked that, although
[Ginny:] yeah,
[Jackie:] she said he mustn't lick it.
[Ginny:] yes he'll have to have a collar on.
[Jackie:] I only went upstairs to get sort of washed and dressed, after the weekend, you have nobody around and er, oh eh, it started bleeding.
[Ginny:] But it's natural for them to lick a wound.
[Jackie:] It is, but it opens it up
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Jackie:] You see as it's quite nasty.
[Ginny:] Cos normally they aren't stitched, they have to heal by nature
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] I suppose.
[Jackie:] He erm
[Ginny:] What a good boy aren't you?
[Jackie:] and I thought oh what she gonna say, because he went yesterday afternoon
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Jackie:] and she said, I told you he had been licking, she said oh, even with the licking, that's excellent I'm very pleased.
[Ginny:] Oh really has healed nice.
[Jackie:] And she said he's not out of the woods yet, but, I'll give you a collar, if he's naughty, very crafty, and then I looked through the crack in the door and his looking.
[Ginny:] But how can he reach it with the collar on?
[Jackie:] Well I
[Ginny:] You've got the collar on back to front.
[Jackie:] I know, because he can still reach it the other way round.
[Ginny:] Oh, it should be.
[Jackie:] Yes, I did, I put it on that way
[Ginny:] And he could reach?.
[Jackie:] And he could, see he's got a little.
[Ginny:] It's so long isn't it?.
[Jackie:] Yes, this is it, you see, I don't think she thought of
[Ginny:] Cos it's a.
[Jackie:] Yeah, and even if, even
[Ginny:] Got long under carriage, haven't you darling.
[Jackie:] mummy he's still licking, I thought what am I gonna do? So, I put it on the other way round this morning and he hates it, I've only just done it
[Ginny:] Oh they do hate it.
[Jackie:] and he, he can't get round there.
[Ginny:] At least he can see, I mean Roxanna
[Jackie:] Yeah,
[Ginny:] had to have one for a short while, she was quite young and I, we'd only just moved here and I took her to the vet the used to be in Sandhurst, they said it was a bee sting, they put purple stuff on it
[Jackie:] oh.
[Ginny:] It didn't get any better and somebody told me about and I took her down there, oh Mrs she's picked up mange, I said mange, I know she said you feel just like when your child's got nits in their hair
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Ginny:] don't worry, it's, it's in the grass and she's just picked it up in the heat wave. So to stop it cos she always used to clear the foxes from the top garden, but er, because she worried it, it was about there on her patch
[Jackie:] Oh yes, a niggle.
[Ginny:] a bald patch, yes, so she had wear, actually we had to cut down a plastic bucket cos she was a big dog
[Jackie:] Oh yeah.
[Ginny:] cut down a plastic bucket and fixed that, it was great she had a bucket round her, round her
[Jackie:] Oh she'd only do that when
[Ginny:] thing.
[Jackie:] I sort of popping upstairs, when I'm here, I'll take it off him, but just now he, he was walking along like
[Ginny:] Let him get used to it.
[Jackie:] as though he could walk, but when you came to the door, here.
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah, he'd forgot all about it, didn't he, he was putting it on you see.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER], yeah, yeah, this is it.
[Ginny:] They don't half get you at it, don't they?
[Jackie:] They do, they, they could wear you out. But he's eating well going to the loo alright.
[Ginny:] Good, I, I thought of you following him around watching what he was going to do.
[Jackie:] Oh my dear I was, it, you sort of feel exhausted with the worry of it don't you?
[Ginny:] Yes and the
[Jackie:] And the strain.
[Ginny:] Of course you must of emptied his lower bowel, when she did the operation
[Jackie:] Yes.
[Ginny:] so there would of been nothing there for him to go for, you must of been ever so worried following him around watching him.
[Jackie:] I was, because I, I felt oh, if it all comes to pieces it's all gonna bleed
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Jackie:] but he was alright and he didn't strain cos he couldn't go
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] Was there any way he
[Jackie:] And he's eating it alright.
[Ginny:] Oh good.
[Jackie:] I, I just put it on his dinner, cos there's no way that I squirt it in his mouth, I'd probably choke him.
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah.
[Jackie:] I just put it on his dinner and he, he's licking all his bowls clean
[Ginny:] Oh good.
[Jackie:] so, that it's working.
[Ginny:] So he's not off his food, that's a good sign.
[Jackie:] No.
[Ginny:] He's certainly alert, that's why I didn't want to ring the bell,
[Jackie:] Yeah,
[Ginny:] so that he wouldn't upset himself by barking, that's why I tapped on the window when I saw you.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]. There Herbie.
[Ginny:] What a good boy.
[Jackie:] Yeah, you're still not having he says,
[Ginny:] What a good boy,
[Jackie:] but he's quite bright eyed.
[Ginny:] he's aged, he's aged round he's eyes.
[Jackie:] Yeah, ten and a half years old. Your.
[Ginny:] It doesn't seem that long since you had him as a puppy
[Jackie:] I know.
[Ginny:] use to keep
[Jackie:] This is the thing.
[Ginny:] keep Lancer company.
[Jackie:] Yeah, you did you perked Lancer up a treat didn't you?
[Ginny:] Is there any way she can tell what's going on inside, where she did all the reconstruction.
[Jackie:] I suppose is the only way if, if he started bleeding or if he felt loose, cos she said he's still swollen from the operation
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Jackie:] obviously, but he's, he's gone down, I, I can see he's gone down a little bit
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Jackie:] I mean before he was all loose and baggy
[Ginny:] That's right, he was.
[Jackie:] Were erm, where he had.
[Ginny:] And then of course he hasn't, he hasn't got testicles any more.
[Jackie:] No.
[Ginny:] But she's, so it's difficult to judge isn't it?
[Jackie:] Yes, yes.
[Ginny:] Cos you don't know how much she took away when she took the testicles out.
[Jackie:] No, he I mean he, he still got the little
[Ginny:] They're partly inside, they're partly outside
[Jackie:] a little bag, but there's nothing in them [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Yes, yes.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] She did a marvellous job.
[Jackie:] Yes, a nurse came round and she said hello Herby, she said oh you look quite bright, and I said did he play you up she said well he was very torn and I thought yeah I'm sure he was.
[Ginny:] Oh poor little soul, of course he was.
[Jackie:] in all night.
[Ginny:] Is he getting treats, is that why's he's looking
[Jackie:] No, I, I only give him his food.
[Ginny:] So that he get's a treat. Are you not getting any treats?
[Jackie:] And he's bowl of water.
[Ginny:] I nearly brought you down and treat, and I thought I'd better not until I've asked your mum.
[Jackie:] Yeah, he has had a bonio, he likes a bonio, he did eat one last night,
[Ginny:] Well that's only
[Jackie:] he usually has a bonio after he's dinner
[Ginny:] a food supplement isn't it?.
[Jackie:] this is it, but that's his sort of
[Ginny:] Rocket has a chew usually.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah, got those.
[Ginny:] You know one of those hoof and horn chews
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Which there's nothing in them, there's noth, not fattening or anything.
[Jackie:] That's right.
[Ginny:] I mean I never have given my dogs chocolates or anything like that, a lot of people do.
[Jackie:] You now, he, he's had, I'm just keeping him on the straight and narrow while he's on remission.
[Ginny:] Yes, oh yes.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] Yes, got to keep your insides in motion we have darling.
[Jackie:] , she said he must not strain, and I've been petrified
[Ginny:] I remember she was, she was ever so adamant about that.
[Jackie:] [yawn] she said straining is going to push the stitches
[Ginny:] Yes Yes.
[Jackie:] but as soon as he start, get ready, go, and I go up to Lisa's and.
[Ginny:] And he tells you when he wants to go, or is it regular times of the day?.
[Jackie:] Well he looks all peculiar.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER], I suppose like this morning after his breakfast, and he went and he, he, it was quite big
[Ginny:] Good.
[Jackie:] So erm, I was pleased.
[Ginny:] Good, so it's forming into a proper form.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Proper shape.
[Jackie:] Oh yes.
[Ginny:] But it's sliding with the, the liquid paraffin.
[Jackie:] It comes out quite good.
[Ginny:] Good, good, if it's forming properly that's a good sign isn't it of health, always.
[Jackie:] Yeah, cos, when he had he's hernia he, he's it used to come out flat.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Jackie:] There's nothing there,
[Ginny:] Depressed,
[Jackie:] you see, it's gone like that.
[Ginny:] yes.
[Jackie:] So erm, round his bottom and it's all round know, and I keep looking for signs of bleeding and all this.
[Ginny:] Oh that's good, that means, that means their anal passage and his rectum were in the right shape again.
[Jackie:] That's right.
[Ginny:] Oh I'm so glad. Oh I hope so, but still not out of the woods yet...
[Jackie:] Erm, well no I suppose he won't be until he's erm, had stitches out, she said it would be two weeks
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Jackie:] before we, you know, could really stop worrying.
[Ginny:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] But, she said I'm pleased with him so far, but we still got to be careful that's why she made him have this collar.
[Ginny:] Well remember I'm usually around, if I'm not there
[Jackie:] Thank you Ginny,
[Ginny:] the first time you ring, I'm usually only out long enough to walk the dog and do some shopping
[Jackie:] right.
[Ginny:] so don't hesitate to call if you get worried about him or
[Jackie:] Alright, yeah, thanks very much.
[Ginny:] You know if he starts throwing up or well you, you think he seems he looks as if he's in pain or something.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but she said he's alright and erm... I said he's he was jumping on the chair, should he ought to?
[Ginny:] .
[Jackie:] He's, he's, he's jump, he, he, he goes up like a jump jet he goes
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] like that, and she said oh, she said well I'm rather pleased to think that he feels likes doing it.
[Ginny:] Of course.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] well that's the only way he can see out the window
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] he likes to watch doesn't he?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] I often see him watching as I go by.
[Jackie:] That's right, he usually sits up there, and I'm, not going to leave him on his own till I know he's alright. But erm, she said don't worry too much about jumping, she said I'm quite pleased you know he can do that
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] she said it's just straight.
[Ginny:] So she gave him more liquid paraffin did she?
[Jackie:] No I've still got the bottle
[Ginny:] Yes, it's easy enough to get it get the empty bottle and
[Jackie:] Yeah, I've got some up there any way, I'm sure that 'll be alright to use.
[Ginny:] I suppose
[Jackie:] So
[Ginny:] I suppose it's the same strength where ever you buy it.
[Jackie:] Well I can check on the bottle.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] . Any way I'm going Thursday, if I need any more she'll give me some then.
[Ginny:] You've got someone to take you Thursday?
[Jackie:] Yes, cos I couldn't get there till five o'clock [LAUGHTER]. I'll take it off when I come down stairs and you can go to sleep. Yes I couldn't get an appointment until just gone five, so Pete will be, thanks Ginny. But erm, it's really, not only, when you look at it, it makes me cringe, I think ooh, he licked it yesterday and it was all bleeding, and it, you know,
[Ginny:] Well the stitches are pulling where they're, where they're trying to heal of course, they're pulling.
[Jackie:] Yeah, and with he's licking he's make it all soft and
[Ginny:] That's why he's licking cos it must itch like made.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] What a good boy, I would of thought she'd have put something on it, put some ointment on to stop it itching.
[Jackie:] And the other side is quite dry, yeah, that is the side he keeps on but that's quite erm dry.
[Ginny:] I use Savlon ointment on any, any of mine.
[Jackie:] Oh I do. Savlon.
[Ginny:] .
[Jackie:] anything, yes.
[Ginny:] That's what I used on Rocket's tummy, when he done, got that had a G two cortezone bathed him with Savlon
[Jackie:] Oh yes.
[Ginny:] warm water, and then put Savlon cream on it, vet said you couldn't have done any better, cos he gave him an antidote, before I new what it was I would have given him funny itching rash that was making the poor soul
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Ginny:] itch and
[Jackie:] that drives you made, if you've got an itch yourself
[Ginny:] Oh yes,
[Jackie:] it's ooh.
[Ginny:] oh yes, yes. Well I shall leave you to get on with it, go and put my washing out and go and unload my shopping.
[Jackie:] Yeah, thank you ever so much Ginny.
[Ginny:] More Christmas shopping
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] yesterday, Dinda saved some of her holiday
[Jackie:] Oh yes.
[Ginny:] so she had Friday and Monday off, of course I had Keith at home on Friday with his poor back.
[Jackie:] Yeah, is he better?
[Ginny:] Erm, well it's still there a bit, but it's not, it's not too bad, he's moving around more easily now.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] But after all I mean, he's put in new plumbing, he's put in a new boiler, all the plumbing, he didn't pull his muscles at all, he went to pick a light carton out of the back of a car, twisted his
[Jackie:] twisted.
[Ginny:] yeah, bottom of his spine.
[Jackie:] Painful.
[Ginny:] Mm, you can do it so, the worst one I ever did was just filling a kettle of water and turning round to put it on the, on the cooker.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah, it's.
[Ginny:] Yeah, and I came, for three weeks I was coming down stairs on my bottom like a toddler, I couldn't go from
[Jackie:] Where you, yeah.
[Ginny:] one step to another and the hospital, the hospital and I went up to Maidenhead hospital and they said don't stretch, don't bend, don't lift, don't carry and I said thank you I've got a school girl, a toddler and a new baby, and I didn't bother to go back any more
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Ginny:] .
[Jackie:] , [LAUGHTER], yes, quite, another with.
[Ginny:] Yes,.
[Jackie:] Oh...
[Ginny:] I hadn't got much, I mean if you go privately.
[Jackie:] .
[Ginny:] She's the physiotherapist.
[Jackie:] Oh the physio
[Ginny:] She's do it, just planned the corner, in the new houses on, erm, oh what's the name of it?
[Jackie:] Where up the hill.
[Ginny:] No the other, where the donkey's used to be in the fields, you know, all those churched like houses
[Jackie:] Oh up the top there,Temp oh Temp
[Ginny:] Templux Close,
[Jackie:] Oh, yes,
[Ginny:] she used to be in their Templux.
[Jackie:] Oh, oh.
[Ginny:] She's marvellous, and Debbie put her back out once, I phoned her and she was here in about three minutes
[Jackie:] Really.
[Ginny:] six discs, click, click, click, click, click.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Ginny:] Debbie had called at the doctor on her the way back and the doctor had said I can't see anything wrong with your spine
[Jackie:] You need somebody like that
[Ginny:] when she came in absolutely like this, I thought, I'll leave you while you answer the phone.
[Jackie:] It's probably Aida or.
[Ginny:] No, no, no, no, no
[Jackie:] Thank's Ginny any way
[Ginny:] Well if you need any thing
[Jackie:] Thanks a lot then.
[Ginny:] give me a bell I'll shan't, I'll shan't be out for long
[Jackie:] Will do
[Ginny:] .
[Jackie:] Thank you.
[Ginny:] No leave her. She may not want you.... She may not want you Rocket.... Come on. Come on [whistling].... She's lovely isn't she?...
[speaker004:] Come on Domino.... You have to watch him he's going deaf
[Ginny:] Ah!
[speaker004:] and blind. And he wanders off
[Ginny:] Oh yes you
[speaker004:] in the completely wrong direction if I'm not careful.
[Ginny:] Yeah you told me he was having a bit of... trouble. Course they see with their noses a lot don't they?
[speaker004:] Yeah. Come on!
[Ginny:] He's a beautiful... beautiful feathering.
[speaker004:] He's due for a trim but it's a bit cold really. I must erm
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER] oh... yes.
[speaker004:] I think it's, I'll leave it a little while or else he's be
[Ginny:] Well he looks so elegant.
[speaker004:] freezing.
[Ginny:] As long as you can cope with the brushing and combing.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] I mean he looks elegant doesn't he?
[speaker004:] He's got er he's got nice spots on his back. Two big black spots.
[Ginny:] He's a blue roan isn't he?
[speaker004:] Yeah. But when er
[Ginny:] Beautiful.
[speaker004:] the black grows quicker, longer than the white and it covers them up.
[Ginny:] I think he's gorgeous with that little fringe along his side. I love it.
[speaker004:] Yes she she leaves his er his feathers on.
[Ginny:] Yes, yes. I love it.
[speaker004:] Mm he's a lovely dog.
[Ginny:] And his britches too. I've never seen one quite so rich. As that.
[speaker004:] Come on puppy. We'll be late for school if we're not careful. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Oh yes.... Yes. I usually come around this time.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Ginny:] There's usually some, some mums who are meeting the school and... and walking dogs at the same time.
[speaker004:] Yeah. It's better really in the... in the summer when you can come after school
[Ginny:] Oh yes.
[speaker004:] and. It's getting dark early now isn't it?
[Ginny:] That's it.
[speaker004:] It's dark around four o'clock.
[Ginny:] Yes. And very chill. Bit raw today isn't it?
[speaker004:] It is. It's gone very cold.
[Ginny:] It's colder than it was this morning I think.
[speaker004:] Mm it is because I, I just put er a dress on this morning. I wish I'd put a jumper on
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] in the end.
[Ginny:] Well I didn't have the heating on after it had gone off at nine o'clock you know. But er before I came out I switched it on cos I'm not coming back to a cold house.
[speaker004:] Mm. No. I'm going round this way.
[Ginny:] You go through the meadow.
[speaker004:] Yes. Goodbye.
[Ginny:] Bye bye. We've done the meadow. Come on Rocket. Come on, you've done the meadow. Rock! [LAUGHTER]
[Keith:] Who's that? John, John?
[Dinda:] Yeah. Can you ring him some time after eight or between eight thirty and nine cos he's gonna be so we
[Ginny:] He can't because one of his favourite programmes is on.
[Dinda:] Well make it after nine o'clock then. It's going up. It could be eleven o'clock.
[Ginny:] You feel it was worth the effort going do you Dinda?
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] You feel more relaxed in your mind now?
[Dinda:] Well not that. It's just that you know it might do some good.
[Ginny:] Well you feel more confident with the... Cos you, you have improved your posture. Well it must have been hurting you to make you do that.
[Dinda:] I'm just trying to improve my posture. I know my posture's.
[Ginny:] You weren't huddling because of the... trying to ease the pain a bit?
[Dinda:] No I was huddling because I'm lazy.
[Ginny:] Oh....
[Dinda:] Mm... mm... mm
[Keith:] What's that
[Dinda:] I don't know.
[Keith:] Was it nice?
[Dinda:] No, it wasn't spicy it was just so tasty
[Ginny:] almonds. There's everything in this pie, there's almonds
[Dinda:] You could put you could put courgettes in. I love courgette.
[Ginny:] Yeah? Well I had to have something to perk it up and... vegetables are getting a bit iffy at this time of year.
[Dinda:] I think courgettes are wonderful.
[Ginny:] I could have courgette and... and aubergine.
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] There's celery and onion and leek.... And nuts.... There's more out there in the kitchen.
[Dinda:] Mm....
[Ginny:] Go and get half of it.... I like it better with not so much ginger I think.
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Keith:] You what?
[Ginny:] I like it better with not quite so much ginger as last week. Cos I remembered the
[Dinda:] I asked her to slack off on the ginger a bit
[Ginny:] the garlic....
[Keith:] the number of people that are trying to get towards this sort of diet that I'm on.
[Ginny:] Really?
[Keith:] Well, national thing last night.
[Ginny:] Yes... yes.... It's a good thing. Perhaps the shops' ll make it easier for us now. More stuff available. You've got Solihull in Surrey.
[Dinda:] . I'm not from Surrey. I was born and bred in Berkshire.
[Ginny:] That's right
[Dinda:] Wasn't I? I was born in Berkshire.
[Ginny:] Yes.... and bred in Berkshire.
[Dinda:] in Berkshire.
[Ginny:] Your is in Berkshire.
[Dinda:] So I think I'll route for Solihull.
[Ginny:] Your is in Berkshire.
[Keith:] You were born in
[Ginny:] Berkshire.
[Keith:] Buckinghamshire.
[Ginny:] Berkshire.
[Dinda:] It was Berkshire then....
[Keith:] You were born in Taplow.
[Ginny:] You're quite right. I beg your pardon.
[Keith:] Taplow, Bucks.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] It was... it was Berkshire.
[Keith:] No it wasn't. It never was Berkshire.
[Dinda:] Wonder what it says on my birth certificate. I'll have to go and have a look at it. I've got my birth certificate with me.
[Keith:] Taplow, Bucks.
[Ginny:] Mm. That's right. We were in just over the border. But postal wise we were in Maidenhead Berkshire. But for the rates and the schools we were Buckinghamshire....
[Keith:] saying that we are in Surrey now.
[Ginny:] We're not in Surrey. We're in Berkshire.
[Dinda:] But we're not in Surrey, are we?
[Ginny:] No we're in Berkshire.
[Keith:] Saying we were in Berkshire is like saying we're in Surrey now. Same old thing.
[Ginny:] This is not true. We are in the postal... in Surrey.
[Keith:] The analogy's the same.
[Ginny:] Quite right. Big words coming out now.
[Keith:] It's not
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]
[Keith:] We've got that up there and it tells you cos he's in trouble.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER]
[Keith:] [shouting] [] Oh there's a bit left. Do you want it?
[Ginny:] No thank you dear.
[Keith:] Do you want any more Dind?
[Dinda:] No thanks.... That was jolly nice. I had a light lunch.
[Ginny:] Yes. You haven't had much filling stuff have you?
[Dinda:] I didn't have any any... any almonds for my lunch.
[Ginny:] Well will you have a... slice of low fat cheese? Slimmers cheese. and you haven't eaten that much and a vegetarian pie isn't
[Dinda:] Yes it is.... potatoes.
[Ginny:] Well I know it's got potatoes but it's not that filling.... And there's only fruit you see for afters.
[Dinda:] That's alright.
[Keith:] Well it soon went, that lot. Didn't it?
[Ginny:] Mhm.... About two hours preparation for about ten minutes eating....
[Dinda:] . What did you say?
[Keith:] Well you can't say enjoyment.
[Ginny:] About two hours preparation for... ten minutes eating.
[Dinda:] I thought all cooking was like that. Which was I
[Ginny:] That's true. Very true.... You don't ever keep the pineapple juice? Only orange. Not much call for it.
[speaker010:] No.... No. We've never had we've never had pineapple juice. Robert won't sort of get it in he said because it's so slow going.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker010:] We've got one white or one brown.
[Ginny:] One white....
[speaker010:] Seventy seven pence then.
[Ginny:] Oh. You don't need two I suppose?
[speaker010:] No.
[Ginny:] Thank you very much.
[speaker010:] No. There's not a lot of....
[Ginny:] Not as cold... not as cold yet as I thought it was going to be.
[speaker010:] No? Other people have been saying it's colder, colder than they thought. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Well yesterday I thought it was.... Yes.
[speaker010:] .
[Ginny:] Get them Rock. Rocket.... Rock. Rocket. [kiss] Hello baby. Hello. Hello....
[Turan:] very lucky if she'll give it to you. [LAUGHTER]. I haven't trained her yet....
[Ginny:] Hello darling. Come and say hello. There's a love. Can't be left out can she?
[Turan:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Ginny:] And bouncy there gets all the fuss doesn't she because she's so... she's so full of life. But your an old love. Look at her....
[Turan:] Yeah. You're always dopey aren't you? Eh?
[Ginny:] Oh she
[Turan:] Suppose she's nice cos she's handier, don't have to bend down, [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] That's right. Yes.
[Turan:] Sally! Now stop it. Gosh... end of the walk. You should be tired.... Ah.
[Ginny:] Well I'll have to have it if I want to throw it.
[Turan:] No she... this is what she does.
[Ginny:] She wants you to chase her. I can't chase you I'm far too old. Ha... got it.
[Turan:] about three sticks on the way round so when we get here I've got one to throw. As she brings up one I've got another one to throw and she drops what she's got. And this is how we're going. She's been playing with the. I thought well that's good
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] she doesn't need the extra... belting around.
[Ginny:] Are you limping?
[Turan:] Erm... my arthritis is playing me up this week.
[Ginny:] Ooh.
[Turan:] Don't know why. Whether... what's caused it.
[Ginny:] Cold?... A chill?
[Turan:] My other knee got bad all of a sudden. I mean I only had one bad knee but then this time I got two.
[Ginny:] Oh that's rough.
[Turan:] [LAUGHTER] It is []. Sal! [shouting] Sally []. You do not
[Ginny:] I'll squeeze your paws. I will. I'll squeeze your paws.
[Turan:] Now I keep trying that with you.... oops [LAUGHTER]... Might be the weather. I don't know.
[Ginny:] Have you strained?
[Turan:] I did gardening.
[Ginny:] Oh.
[Turan:] Digging. Could have been that.
[Ginny:] Yes.... Finds your weakest spots doesn't it?
[Turan:] It sure does. I'm not supposed to dig. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Aren't you?
[Turan:] Not really no. Cos it aggravates the hip.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] what annoys me cos I love gardening....
[Ginny:] I used to do, well I, I still do all, all the gardening that gets done. I used to spend hours gardening.
[Turan:] That's what I like. You go out there and you don't realize how long you've been out there.
[Ginny:] No. No you don't. I don't do so much now. I'm more a fair weather gardener.
[Turan:] Well I keep going out there trying to [LAUGHTER] keep the leaves down. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] That's impossible round here.
[Turan:] Well we've got an oak out the front... and I've swept, I've got two bags.
[Ginny:] Oh I can imagine.
[Turan:] The rest I've put in the gutter... off the path and of course the wind's blown them all back off again. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Yes. Yes. It's funny whichever way the wind blows... my back door and my front door both get covered with leaves.
[Turan:] Yeah. I want
[Ginny:] It's magic.
[Turan:] really a continuous, strongish wind... to blow in one direction for quite a few hours. It may blow them all into one spot. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Yes. Never happens like that though does it?
[Turan:] We've got one corner of the garden out the front and if the wind's in the right direction it neatly puts them all together.
[Ginny:] Oh that's
[Turan:] Cos the wall stops them. And they're much easier to pick up that way. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] That's right.
[Turan:] [cough]. But she's still got a load of leaves on her, the old oak. There's still a lot more to come.
[Ginny:] Yes. Oh yes there are. I saw a gadget the other day in a magazine. It was just like two dustbin lids. Pick up a heap of leaves at one point.
[Turan:] Oh yeah.
[Ginny:] I thought well you could use dustbin lids instead of sending of ten pounds to get two of their pieces of
[Turan:] I use my dust pan.
[Ginny:] Yes. Yes. I do.
[Turan:] Because that's smashing for just scooping up.
[Ginny:] Yes. And you can hold them with a... with a brush or the broom.
[Turan:] Well I scooped it up and I got there. You can always
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Turan:] always wear rubber gloves anyway. So often I just scoop a to put in. And I even use it when... I wanna shift snow.... I just, if it's a light snow
[Ginny:] Yes. That's a good idea.
[Turan:] I just scoop it up with that. I found it a lot easier [LAUGHTER]. I mean I bought a lovely wide broom. I thought oh that'll be smashing for the snow just sweep
[Ginny:] It's hard work.
[Turan:] And of course you do about a yard and then you're stuck.
[Ginny:] You can't move. No I find the best thing for snow cos... we've got an eight car driveway so you can imagine how much
[Turan:] Yeah. That's like we have to.
[Ginny:] snow I have to shift. I get a thin, long board and use that.
[Turan:] It's definitely easiest.
[Ginny:] As long as the board itself isn't too heavy.
[Turan:] Well this is it. I have to, cos with the... with the pan although I'm bending, it's, it's not too bad because it's not too heavy for me.
[Ginny:] Yes. Well I get a board about here... and just walk and push.
[Turan:] Oh right. It's alright, somebody had their windsc erm window smashed yesterday.
[Ginny:] I know. A gentleman stopped me as I was coming back and he said... do you own a white Austin Metro. And it's funny because the last car that I saw the fellow's from... I saw the fellow's who did it.
[Turan:] Oh you did?
[Ginny:] And got their car number. Yes.
[Turan:] Oh you have?
[Ginny:] And the police came and interviewed me about it. That was a white Austin Metro. Don't think it's the same young woman.... He said oh the car's been broken into
[Turan:] No because it was funny cos we were talking... to the lady. She's got a red setter. And... she'd just arrived. And she apparently. She said, do you know she said we'd gone off to the woods and I suddenly... remembered I'd left my purse in the car.
[Ginny:] Oh no.
[Turan:] She said so I went back and got my purse.... She said now... apparently they've got a horse somewhere round here and she said when she came back there was this car about half hour later after they'd left here... a car been broken into. She said er it makes me wonder if I'd left my purse in the car if it had of been our car that might have been dumped.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Turan:] Well... they'd gone off and before... Anthea had gone and I was still fiddling about getting the windows clean. This car drew in there and a chap got out and I thought, what dog's he got? You know
[Ginny:] That's what I always think. I look for the dog or the jogging suit and if they haven't got a dog or a jogging suit... I think what are they up to?
[Turan:] Well see he, he was quite tall and when he got out he was a bit scruffy looking, and his shirt was hanging out below his jacket.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] And he got out [whispering] I can't see any dog []. But he walked very purposefully erm straight up there and then I noticed he'd got a hook
[Ginny:] Yes?
[Turan:] instead of a right hand.
[Ginny:] That's useful for breaking into things isn't it?
[Turan:] And I, and I thought to myself... oh no perhaps he's legitimate. [LAUGHTER] He's just going for a walk [].
[Ginny:] No it's odd.
[Turan:] But it's a maroony... dirty maroony... and black I think it was car. And it was a W M X, the letters were.
[Ginny:] Didn't you tell the police? You should give them a ring and tell them if you saw a strange man.
[Turan:] Well yeah I did I mean he disappeared from sight whereas the others
[Ginny:] Well he would if you were waiting around here. Of course you look as though
[Turan:] Ah I dunno. One morning when I came here there was a car arrived here and it was a... a dirty yellow one and thr two women and a bloke got out all dressed in... black jeans and black jumpers.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] So I thought now that's odd. They didn't look the sort to go... for a ramble
[Ginny:] perhaps.
[Turan:] And they come out and they sort of were looking around... and there was a load of cars here. And I thought I don't like the look of that.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Turan:] So I was standing there and I thought to myself pretend I'm looking at my watch and I'm waiting for someone.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] And they hung about and hung about and then they came across here, looked at the board and they kept turning round and looking where I was. And I was still hanging there. Then they walked down there, but not out of sight... of the cars. Then they came back, read the notice board again. I must have been there about five or ten minutes?
[Ginny:] neat haircuts?
[Turan:] They looked quite... quite presentable. One woman was very fat.... And I still stood there so I got in the car and wrote the number down.
[Ginny:] Good for you.
[Turan:] Cos I thought I'm never gonna remember it. And eventually they got in and went off. But they were, they kept on looking at me to see if I was gonna move and I thought I'm not gonna move till you move.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Turan:] Cos the fact that they only went down there, came back and were milling around... waiting I wouldn't have been a bit surprised cos the car was a filthy old car.
[Ginny:] You should have told you should have told the police. Any car number you can
[Turan:] They hadn't done anything.
[Ginny:] No. But any car number you can get if they're acting suspiciously please tell them. That's what they keep telling me.
[Turan:] Oh I see. Cos they had er
[Ginny:] Because they came and interviewed me. If you see anything suspicious. The last time I phoned up I said... the bicycle that was hidden in the bushes. Obviously been stolen. Down there... that erm Davey and I found together. His dog erm found it, you know Sam? Erm... next day it was still there... although he'd phoned the police. So I phoned them up in the afternoon and I said the bicycle that... my friend Mr reported yesterday afternoon is still in the bushes. I said and I have a feeling that there was somebody there watching me... I could feel it. I said and as I came back up what I call the straight path parallel with the road there were two men loitering in the bushes against the car park.
[Turan:] Oi!
[Ginny:] Both very well dressed. Jeans, but clean and spruce and I said... I have a feeling they could have been police. And he burst out laughing and said you're quite right madam, they were police.
[Turan:] No these didn't give me the feeling of being police.
[Ginny:] No. But there's one I thought how stupid. It's alright to park erm a non police car but there was a policeman actually sitting in the car while two of them loitered in there. They were obviously staking out the place. But while there's a man sitting respectably in a car no-one's gonna break into the other cars.
[Turan:] I know.
[Ginny:] Not if they're witnessed, are they?
[Turan:] No I mean because I mean erm
[Ginny:] So the other police should have gone into the other... should have gone away somewhere.
[Turan:] I didn't... I didn't cotton on to these two er these three.
[Ginny:] And yet you feel uneasy?
[Turan:] Erm... it was the way they sort of checked all the way round the car park as if they were looking to see which would be the best. And I mean they did get out and have a little mooch around the car park.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] And I thought to myself no I'm not gonna go out, I did start to go out the park and I thought no.
[Ginny:] Yeah. I'm like you.
[Turan:] Because... what if... they do break in. Perhaps I'm, I'm misjudging but perhaps... what if they did, how would I feel?
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] So I thought no I'll wait and see.
[Ginny:] Oh you should give the police that number. Just to be on the safe side.
[Turan:] I've lost it now cos I've chucked the matchbox out.
[Ginny:] Oh what a shame.
[Turan:] But it was a yellow car and it had like soft toys and that in the back.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] On the back window ledge.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] Cos I thought to myself well I'll never remember the make of car. I mean I'm, I'm hopeless with cars. But I thought to myself oh you do... you do look suspicious. And then I was talking to somebody about this and... they and they burst out laughing and said well we've got a friend, a male friend... a mate of mine he said and he loves walking.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] He said and what he often does... is because he lives over this area. He'll often cut through... this way to go over to Wellington into Crowthorne and walk all the way round.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] He said he often walks through the woods on his own. [LAUGHTER] I had to laugh. He must forgive us ladies do a sidestep []. He said he is legitimate. He just loves walking.
[Ginny:] Oh yes. But the police would much rather you told them... when there's no
[Turan:] Yes.
[Ginny:] nothing to be... nothing wrong with it than that you didn't tell them and there might be something wrong with it.
[Turan:] Oh I'll have to keep my eyes open. Cos I thought well the couple had only just walked up there and I thought to myself oh well... he might meet up with them, you know.
[Ginny:] The young, the young officer who came to me he said... of course we're so glad you got the number, you're quite right it's a car that's been doing the same thing in Wokingham. We only know that they live somewhere in the Wokingham area. It's lads who earn their living at this.
[Turan:] Yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] They go from car park to car park. He said er but of course the thing is they don't expect elderly ladies... to notice their car numbers and remember them. Now I may not remember always the make... first glance off unless I look at it. But this was an eastern European car so they didn't expect me to know the make. But I do remember numbers.
[Turan:] Oh I've got a terrible memory.
[Ginny:] And I scratched it on there to make sure that I didn't forget it.
[Turan:] Oh I see.
[Ginny:] And as soon as I got home I wrote it down. I put it on there with my key.... # or whatever it was. It's probably still there now. It is... it's still there..... It's still there.
[Turan:] Oh this was... this was... er W M X. I remembered that because... what did it remind me of? W M X....
[Ginny:] Like a B M X bike I expect.
[Turan:] Yeah or a volk volkswagen or something.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Turan:] Something clicked as I looked at the number.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] It's like with a lot of number plates. Sometimes it... oh that's so and so's.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] I mean a lot of mine I can't even remember me own number plate.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]
[Turan:] But I. No I went back and got in the car and was fiddling about and I wrote it down on a matchbox you see.
[Ginny:] Yes good idea.
[Turan:] But the funny thing is by the time I got home I still remembered it.
[Ginny:] Yes. Cos you'd written it down. If you hadn't written it down you wouldn't have.
[Turan:] No. Er this is, I mean I've just got that way. I thought to myself well if I don't write it down now... cos that's why I got back in my car.
[Ginny:] You should have told the police... they'd have been interested.
[Turan:] Oh well then, another time then I'll remember that.
[Ginny:] Cos you see I said why, why can't you trace the car? I mean the number's quite, I said you, you reaffirmed that the number was the same one that had been doing the same thing in, in Wokingham. He said... the car belonged to an elderly lady in Wokingham. We've traced it that far. She had sold it and she hadn't told the erm Swansea people, you know?
[Turan:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] The vehicle licensing people. It's so easy to just write the slip... and say I've sold my car to mister so and so. I always do it. Erm... and then that person she'd sold it to she knew their address. They went to him and he had sold it as well and they couldn't
[Turan:] Yeah cos since they've done away with the log book.
[Ginny:] And it hadn't been registered.
[Turan:] Where you used to have to send the
[Ginny:] Exactly.
[Turan:] log book in and it would come back.
[Ginny:] It hadn't been registered so they'd got, the police have got no way of tracing it.
[Turan:] No.
[Ginny:] Except keep driving round Wokingham looking for it.
[Turan:] I mean they... at least they could pick you up cos they'd had the log book.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] In the old days.
[Ginny:] Yeah. It was good wasn't it?
[Turan:] Yeah. And each car they knew where they were didn't they?
[Ginny:] That's right. And the previous owner and the previous owner.
[Turan:] That's it. Cos it was all written down.
[Ginny:] Yes....
[Turan:] Oh all these barred stuff.
[Ginny:] They've got everything on computers now and it doesn't work half the time does it?
[Turan:] [LAUGHTER] Well it's only as good as the person putting it in.
[Ginny:] Yeah too true.
[Turan:] That's what they used to say. Still human error. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Yes. Oh yes.
[Turan:] Until you get a computer for computing a computer. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Yes. With a mind of it's own. An intelligence.
[Turan:] That's what I mean. Then that's frightening.
[Ginny:] Yes. It is isn't it?
[Turan:] Oh I couldn't take that.
[Ginny:] Well. I love your accent. Where do you come from?
[Turan:] Me? Originally... London. Chiswick.
[Ginny:] I wouldn't... don't hear any London.
[Turan:] Erm... well... sometimes it might come out is a bit of Devonshire.
[Ginny:] Devonshire? Yes. That's what it is.
[Turan:] I only spent six years of my childhood there during the war years.
[Ginny:] Well I can hear it. It's a lovely soft... soft accent.
[Turan:] Oh thank you. Very proud of being Devon
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] from Devon.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Turan:] I expect, cos when I came back from there nobody could understand me.
[Ginny:] Oh.
[Turan:] When I went back to London.
[Ginny:] My youngest daughter's there now. Plymouth. Well outside of Plymouth. Little village.
[Turan:] Yeah I was at Dartmouth.
[Ginny:] Yeah it's lovely isn't it?
[Turan:] Oh it was gorgeous. After I was there for six years
[Ginny:] Yes?
[Turan:] I wouldn't come home. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] I can, I can hear it softly. It's beautiful. I like it.
[Turan:] I just wouldn't come home.... My mum tried bribery, everything.... I hated Lon er, well Chiswick it was sort of
[Ginny:] I hate London.
[Turan:] Chiswick, Acton.
[Ginny:] Oh I.
[Keith:] Mike's witnessing his signature what he's already done.
[Ginny:] two of them though.
[Keith:] Yes, but one of them I'll sign in your presence Maisie and her twenty year old son, not hundred per cent happy about it, I'd prefer older people cos youngest like that are inclined try to put their music on a bit loud or invite their friends in when mum's away, you know, and. No, no, they complain to us because so does the secretary, I mean they're all very nice, they know us and they like us, talk to them when we go there, but any sign of a noise, somebody I'll be on the phone to me.
[Ginny:] Well that's hope.
[Keith:] Yes, I hope he is, she's apparently, she's erm a designer and the girl that makes it she designs the latest beautiful hats and I thought to myself if they're those tall, biggest, you know those tall sort of round sort of like bowler hats,
[Ginny:] Oh yeah.
[Keith:] I, I, remember something, cos I thought they'd look awful stuck on the top of their heads, they weren't sort of like
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] yes, yes, oh maybe they're hard
[Ginny:] Probably hard.
[Keith:] yes, yes
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] You can put your lunch in,.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] , take a man with a woman to see some part of.
[Keith:] Yes that's right.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] I thought
[Ginny:] Or, or a, eh, the nearest they'll.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yes, yes of course.
[Keith:] I'll give you your's first.
[Ginny:] Oh lovely.
[Keith:] . Cos there was something about it in the Best magazine wasn't there?
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Hello you've dropped a negative... don't think it matters. Must remember to take back.
[Keith:] Do you want that. I, I've bought you back the whip and I'm just about to start the other one, so hang on to it at the moment, cos I don't like too many books around that I've borrowed, I've got two.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Is it?
[Ginny:] I put that there so you don't go without.
[Keith:] Oh right, oh your house looks nice.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Right, that looks nice across there
[Ginny:] It goes doesn't it?
[Keith:] Doesn't it, yes.
[Ginny:] Yes it's so.
[Keith:] And would, would, trying to take a picture on the telly...
[Ginny:] I think I was just,
[Keith:] Oh yeah, you would
[Ginny:] just starting the film,
[Keith:] Aha.
[Ginny:] that was my birthday camera.
[Keith:] Looks nice.
[Ginny:] I think I was just getting a film.
[Keith:] Oh this is this is you here is it? the other side of the, cos I know when we tried to take photo's off John, tried to take photo's of John on the television because he couldn't do it with all the flash or.
[Ginny:] , he's a beautiful cock bird and he's big and he's typically black bird and his black tail and his bright orange beak
[Vicky:] Ah, er, yeah.
[Ginny:] he's got two.
[Vicky:] Oh.
[Ginny:] , and I called to Dinda one day look, gosh yeah trying and get a shot of him on a camera, she said I would too, she said try it from upstairs in my bedroom. I tried I saw him one day on, I crept up in my and I took it out of the window and all I've got is the.
[Vicky:] Oh. Oh what a shame.
[Ginny:] I did, so I was creeping up like this
[Vicky:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] They can see movement behind the window pane glass.
[Vicky:] Yes, oh yes.
[Ginny:] He was feeding so happy, beautifully I'm hoping it, I don't feel, Magpie of mine,
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yes, can you not can you not have
[Ginny:] , oh you can have a I've not seen one
[Vicky:] I've never seen one, no, except in the book, I haven't seen it in our, in our, in both books.
[Ginny:] What, what and in my garden I have a. Oh Rose is.
[Vicky:] no, stop the care for them.
[Ginny:] When they're sitting in the middle of... road there, I stop, I stop the car and I sometimes they'll sit up and look at you
[Vicky:] Yeah
[Ginny:] and you have to wait
[Vicky:] wait for them.
[Ginny:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]. Say why, what have erm, I think.
[Vicky:] Oh I'd hate to hit one of them, oh it's my, it's my horror though, a bird or a wild animal like you see in the, the lane
[Ginny:] That's right.
[Vicky:] Is when they.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yeah...
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] See that doesn't it though?
[Ginny:] I don't ever remember seeing, but there was we weren't allowed to have hair down, was you?,
[Vicky:] No, no, no,
[Ginny:] we had to have ours clipped or, or tied back
[Vicky:] remember the brown ribbon?
[Ginny:] Yeah
[Vicky:] if they got told off.
[Ginny:] Oh yes or have it slide tied, you weren't allowed to have hair that's not.
[Vicky:] Oh no, no, oh it had to be tied in yeah.
[Ginny:] And I was always saying to the girls at school for heavens sake keep your hair back, it's only bunches, whatever, back when they was younger they always had plait or bunches,.
[Vicky:] Yes.
[Ginny:] But when they got older you know.
[Vicky:] Yeah, that's right, yeah,
[Ginny:] You can't tell a.
[Vicky:] Oh, I'm, I'm
[Ginny:] I had it all chopped off.
[Vicky:] Oh, [LAUGHTER]. it does, it suits her doesn't it like that?
[Ginny:] I think it does comes home every night
[Vicky:] And washes it.
[Ginny:] No, her hair.
[Vicky:] Oh.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yeah. Oh no.
[Ginny:] She's put on weight round here
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] if you look at the picture of her
[Vicky:] . Look she has got that cheeky bit there,
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] I mean, it certainly suit her better like this doesn't it?
[Ginny:] Than long hair.
[Vicky:] But I mean when you're young you can wear anything can't you?
[Ginny:] .
[speaker004:] Oh doesn't look funny with the hand bag. , oh it's smashing isn't it? . Well I don't know what he's doing, I can't remember what he's doing... [LAUGHTER] oh yes, before we've eaten. Oh yes... look at her, look, Oh I like.
[Ginny:] that's a good one.
[speaker004:] Mm. There's one good one of you there, back of the head, that's a good one. . Oh it's nice aren't they? . Better .
[Vicky:] Better, yes, better than erm, some, in the old days when you used to take those photo's they used to be awful didn't they, erm, everybody sort of look's as if they were staring and sort of all
[Ginny:] Yes, yes,
[Vicky:] Red eye
[speaker004:] .
[Vicky:] Ah, what you doing down there? ah
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Aha...
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Oh I've done about four, but we were having trouble with he want's some books he likes books, but won't give us a clue and... [LAUGHTER]...
[Ginny:] You could give him a book token let him do his own.
[Vicky:] Well that's a good idea, the thing, you see the thing is she says oh, we, I read anything, you know, buy anything, well I said well suppose you've already got it, you know, it's erm, and also we offered him some, some author's names so he didn't like this, and he didn't want that, you see, so, erm, but, in one hand he's saying buy me anything and the other hand he's saying I don't like this and I don't like that Yes, yes that's right, yes.
[Ginny:] For a few hours.
[Vicky:] Yeah, Yeah, you've got
[Ginny:] Do you think that's true?
[Vicky:] Yeah, would you, but a couple of years because John was busy he bought us all tokens, erm, he bought the others tokens from Woolworths and me token from a body shop and we all, and I we had great fun looking and seeing what we wanted to buy with, with the book tokens, er, maybe, maybe I mention it providing we can't find anything.
[Ginny:] It's pleasure of going around.
[Vicky:] Yeah, and, and looking themselves, yeah. The other thing he mentioned for his birthday was, would you believe, was a shirt with er, with sleeves that you can put erm cuff links in, would you believe? He said I've not been able to get one, and I went to he said I thought with an old
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yeah, quite often they do don't, well they used to I don't know if they do.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yes, but erm
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] No, no, cuff links look nice don't they? And I said to Polly they must make them, yeah
[Ginny:] The only thing you can do is.
[Vicky:] Yeah. Polly's got some nice ones, yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yeah got some nice one's
[Ginny:] I get.
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yes, I think they're for myself,.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yes, that's right, I see, but I said to him we'll try Alder's and the Army & Navy... But I
[Ginny:] shirts even if they're only Marks & Sparks.
[Vicky:] Yes, I've got yeah I know they did, but I think after a while they stopped doing that I think the latest ones you'll find don't, don't do that, they gave, you know, after a while they gave that up, but I, I must check on that, I must check on.
[Ginny:] ... if he wears a long sleeve shirt, as soon as he takes his jacket off, he won't go around with his shirt
[Vicky:] No,
[Ginny:] roll his sleeves up.
[Vicky:] roll his sleeves up, yeah Tom's like that, yes.
[Ginny:] Even,.
[Vicky:] Yes, yes, well I mean, that's, that's, if, I mean if we can get him one for his birthday that, get the problem of our shoulders sort of thing, that's his then, then he, he has to take his.
[Ginny:] We.
[Vicky:] Yeah. Yeah. , what can you give him a. Well that's a good idea, as you say, erm, oh I must put.
[Ginny:] I mean it could be a bottle of Gin
[Vicky:] Oh he's not.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] He was doing so well for three months.
[Ginny:] When he saw the
[Vicky:] Yes.
[Ginny:] and he said you're.
[Vicky:] Yes, that's right, after three months, yes, and he did that?
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Vicky:] Oh, and he's still, he's going to do that right up to Christmas?
[Ginny:] But he won't eat the meat with potatoes
[Vicky:] No.
[Ginny:] the only time he has meat he has to have green salad or maybe a raw vegetable salad.
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] But I mean, yeah, yeah
[Vicky:] , calorie and then for another meal he'll have... he'll have this other stuff with a Mm.
[Ginny:] he can't.
[Vicky:] No, no, doesn't it?
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yeah, well John always swore by a diet whether he I don't know.
[speaker004:] That thing I got, you know the Raptou use to
[Vicky:] Oh yes, yes,
[speaker004:] help me with the vegetables, all the vegetables, I get so tired chopping
[Vicky:] yes
[Ginny:] I don't think it's gonna work, I.
[Vicky:] Oh why's that Iris? It, it, looked alright, I, you know doing it on the telly, it did everything they said.
[Ginny:] But didn't see it on the telly, only saw it on the.
[speaker004:] Oh it was on quite a lot.
[Vicky:] Sorry I've.
[Ginny:] Oh no, interest. Why do you think it won't work?
[speaker004:] This I read.
[Ginny:] Oh, that's
[speaker004:] .
[Ginny:] My are like that, going from the
[Vicky:] ... oh er, he said I've taken, taken them out,
[Ginny:] Have you tried it?
[speaker004:] No. I haven't even it.
[Ginny:] Oh.
[Vicky:] I looked at the illustration and I thought no way is that ever going to do any thing that chops
[Ginny:] Yeah, it
[Vicky:] it never slice, or make chips
[Ginny:] ... oh it, they showed you pictures of things coming out the squares
[speaker004:] Yes,... chip.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Doesn't take a chunky chop does it?
[speaker004:] .
[Vicky:] Well how can it, because it, it, I think it's got to go through the thing here, if you see what I mean, it, it, the chop you'd have to push it through a little bit and then have a,
[Ginny:] Yeah, a blade.
[Vicky:] a, yeah,.
[Ginny:] What's that then? plate, oh I don't
[Vicky:] Oh that's the thing that you put behind it.
[Ginny:] She could use that without putting.
[Vicky:] What, what, what, how can you stop it, how, how, how can you, [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Got to.
[Vicky:] ... bigger than.
[Ginny:] But I can't see any thing here. Push.
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] That sliced then, that is slicing,, nothing's got to stop them haven't they?
[Ginny:] The fact that you've come to the end of the... the.
[Vicky:] I can't think of any thing that would be of
[speaker004:] It.
[Keith:] Now all I can think of doing is pushing it, you can push the turner things into chips then you've only got to chop them one way if you see what I mean, like erm, well is it worth these doing anything else?
[Ginny:] But why, chop.
[Vicky:] I mean, what else would you use it for? Do you use it to slice? or to grate? or to erm
[Ginny:] No.
[Vicky:] use the grate like things like.
[Ginny:] Aha.
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] I think that's why the, it looks like it. I I think brass is.
[Vicky:] I've got a oh, I've got a great big chip machine.
[Ginny:] I was a bit disappointed.
[Vicky:] Well, yes, I must admit still I still chop But there's nothing in there to say it's from there's nothing on the box to say it's.
[Ginny:] Well
[Vicky:] Could you be bothered getting that out unless you're prepared wash all, all the bits afterwards.
[Ginny:] ...
[Vicky:] [LAUGHTER], I'm sure it's somebody else.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Vicky:] I do because
[Ginny:] Yeah, somebody else.
[Vicky:] Well
[Ginny:] What did you say.
[Vicky:] Yeah, you, you, get a, a thing on, ah there you are.
[Ginny:] I thought, I thought it's.
[Vicky:] Usually they give you a, a thing to return it, you know, a thing that you don't want it, girls let you take the orders down the ware house, oh, put the return it too cos the, cos there's nothing in there. I,. You can buy those things that you push down on the top like that, and you
[speaker004:] I thought that you can have one of those that you roll side by side
[Vicky:] . It's like a knife but it's curved and it's got a
[speaker004:] .
[Vicky:] Yes, you just rock it backwards and forwards.
[speaker004:] Oh
[Ginny:] , [LAUGHTER].
[Vicky:] I don't know, you.
[speaker004:] Ah, again, it might, it might.
[Vicky:] I've, I've got a little knife, I don't know where I got it from, on it, on it, it says steel and it's all broken the blade because, you know, it's been used so much and it's sharper for even being broken than any thing else I've got.
[Ginny:] Great.
[Vicky:] Yeah, I don't know where I got it from,
[Ginny:] ,
[Vicky:] no, heaven knows what will happen to me when I've, when I got it any more, I use it all the time.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Well I'll go back, oh, back to me pictures and flowers... one of you Rocky.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Whether I arrived.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yes I will.
[Ginny:] Now I'll put the kettle on
[Keith:] The have been a lovely colour this year, haven't they?, I suppose that's sort of weather, what, this is most intrigue you know, what made you take them?
[Ginny:] Something special, we hadn't seen any thing
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] and erm, it's that, extraordinary you won't be able to see them
[Keith:] All white.
[Ginny:] all these are white, like, and I couldn't make
[Keith:] Which one is it?, this one on your right, the one with your silvery leaves, when it in the breeze, sun shining, father Christmas tree, lovely isn't it?
[Ginny:] All through the year incredible. Eh, eh, pointed it out, the leaves were so good, haven't got the.
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] No, there was.
[Keith:] But they're all thick and golden and oh so beautiful.
[Ginny:] Mm... That was where I was trying to get the blackbirds
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Quite dark.
[Keith:] Shame isn't it?
[Ginny:] Right were the black bird is, there, I focused from him and.
[Keith:] . He shot off.
[Ginny:] No, he didn't he stayed there.
[Keith:] Stood there, stayed there.
[Ginny:] I kept waiting for him to turn his head, so it, get, one properly.
[Keith:] Good view, never mind you'll have another go.
[Ginny:] ...
[Keith:] Have another go.
[Ginny:] You can't stop flashing because it
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] Dinda can over ride hers, with her
[Keith:] Can she?
[Ginny:] with her very posh camera.
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] Puts, but she knew that if she'd bought me one with all those buttons, I'd off just confused her
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER], I'm not fussed.
[Ginny:] I'm not very technically minded. I did, I did
[Keith:] Well, that would be nice
[Ginny:] talking about electro magnetic waves... how the Russian could, try and to... use electro magnet magnetic waves to make a
[Keith:] Oh yeah. Yeah.
[Ginny:] so that the upper atmosphere would be intensified in density
[Keith:] Oh, oh
[Ginny:] and if they could do it time
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] then they knew when a missile was coming in
[Keith:] Oh I see.
[Ginny:] instead of a missile coming in... withstanding two thousand degree centigrade
[Keith:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] , and then it make it down to make it two thousand centigrade.
[Keith:] Yes, yes, that's right and it, it would be hotter wouldn't it? yes.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] Get more friction on that, clever of somebody to think of that, didn't they?
[Ginny:] Yes, well done
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] Obviously it's a lot.
[Keith:] That's what I said, well that's a lot
[Ginny:] Sounds discouraging if that's how were going to wipe ourselves out.
[Keith:] Oh,.
[Ginny:] We ought to really, although I said we'll leave them a lot of behind than the dinosaurs.
[speaker004:] .
[Ginny:] Mm, yeah.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I know that motor mechanics
[Keith:] Yeah, to think
[Ginny:] They said you I said yes.
[Keith:] . [LAUGHTER], it's the mechanics fault? [LAUGHTER].
[speaker004:] .
[Ginny:] Oh yes, Iris that's nice. I must come in and get on with it.... Then Joan can give it to you. Look I'll give that to Joan and Joan can give it to you..., watch it, you don't steel, no, no, you don't take things, you wait till it's given to you, no... I'm watching you... don't you dare beg at me, don't you dare, don't you dare, wait for Joan to give it to you...
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER], I've got you in me power have I? Come on sit up then
[Ginny:] You have to throw it.
[Keith:] Sit up, sit, sit, sit, oh
[Ginny:] You have to.
[Keith:] Oh, good girl aren't you? Well do it. Oh, look, look, Robert Maxwell funny isn't it?
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] I wonder if those two young boys knew what his, their father was doing?
[Ginny:] I feel ever so sorry for them though.
[Keith:] Yes, I mean they've got, they've probably got less than nothing haven't they? Sell the boat.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] No,. Standing empty in the mansion, oh.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] ... sugar and
[Ginny:] Small sugar, very small sugar, little drop of milk.
[Keith:] This little girl of erm,, Terry isn't she sweet, [LAUGHTER], when she was doing her dancing [LAUGHTER], she lovely reminds me of our kids
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Keith:] when they were little.
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah.
[Keith:] They used to do that didn't they? They used to do that sort W P C.
[Ginny:] Shall I get a plate of biscuits?
[Keith:] , his lord ship. loose a little bit of the tummy again at the moment, coming back. It, it went, it went from I ate chocolate, but that, I mean I didn't
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] oh really, oh well hope it all goes. You every body
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[Keith:] but I don't drink spirits, I don't like spirits, but I enjoy a glass of wine
[Ginny:] What you want?
[Keith:] I have the small glass which is half tonic
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] topped up with wine.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] Three of the tall wine glasses. Now I'm spending a small fortune on wine now.
[Ginny:] not spending so much on the beer.
[Keith:] No, well, in a, in, I'll, I'll pay
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] you see, the real, four pounds forty for a
[Ginny:] You getting through that in two days?
[Keith:] Oh no, one, one evening.
[Ginny:] One evening.
[Keith:] About two each.
[Ginny:] Oh. But does he look alright still? Is he beginning to look haggard or anything?
[Keith:] Keeps the trousers at the back of.
[Ginny:] Oh yes.
[Keith:] No, no, got a pair of trousers that do that.
[Ginny:] Yes, and he goes arriving he's only got Frances then James and that I'm sure is.
[Keith:] Yes you do, that's right you do
[Ginny:] Hold them on with your, I'm sure that's not.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I'm sure if you work on.
[Keith:] More like the sort of things that I wear in trousers.
[Ginny:] Yeah, they're nice aren't they?
[Keith:] Yeah. I got my new trousers the only option was, navy, black or grey, oh erm, hang on a minute, I've got.
[Ginny:] Yeah
[Keith:] but it's in the last brochure had the extra warmth ones, which I like
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] but erm
[Ginny:] Did, did you give a.
[Keith:] , yeah..
[Ginny:] Did it, did it have, does it have to be a, a
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] What?
[Keith:] Thirty quid for.
[Ginny:] The thing that, you see I was going to send off for a pair of gloves cos I can't find my thermal, but when I looked on and saw all the bits and bobs of paper that come, there wasn't erm, little slip you get with a pound off, for postage and packing, which I've been getting recently haven't you? for erm
[speaker004:] Oh yes, definitely.
[Ginny:] I mean about, what, recently I've been getting it for ages and this time it wasn't there, and I, and I thought to myself dam it I'm not going
[speaker004:] They must have just forgotten...
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] That's what I got
[Keith:] Yes and but, but they're
[Ginny:] I don't bother with these you can't drive in them
[Keith:] No,.
[Ginny:] and I thought I'm not gonna pay a pound postage
[Keith:] No you're right.
[Ginny:] I'm not gonna pay a pound postage for erm, a pair of gloves that cost five ninety nine...
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] , so I don't know whether they've stopped doing it, they haven't said any thing. I mean several times I've bought things from them, there's stately homes, they do the same thing, don't they?
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] And the, several times I've bought picture of them particularly because I haven't had to pay the postage,
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] postage. Sometimes you see, I quite often oh I like that and that, beautiful things for the house or
[Keith:] Yeah
[Ginny:] maybe for the kids, and then I see add, I see at the bottom add two pounds fifty, yeah, and I think to myself no, no way, postage and packing. if it's big and it looks worth it, but for a pair of gloves to pay a pound postage, er, er, you know
[speaker004:] .
[Ginny:] I got, don't know if they stop doing it altogether now, I really don't know what erm, you see, I've got an old one, but it says on it... on the voucher it's not trans none transferable. Do they mean none transferable from person to person or from book to book, erm, for everything it doesn't say... and if they know, both of them stopped sending out those
[Vicky:] Oh.
[Ginny:] stupid reason, if you don't send them enough money, you have a cheque and use your Barclay card number. Then I make sure I put enough money on the barclay card the day after it arrives
[speaker004:] .
[Ginny:] send a cheque which can get nicked, send the barclay card number, then pay it off.
[speaker004:] That's right, we've, we've, we pay most things by barclay card and.
[Ginny:] Does your But you still right on your
[speaker004:] ..
[Ginny:] Yes, what's, what's happened if we were at Sandhurst Auction it would go to Reading and then be re-directed to Aldershot and then [LAUGHTER]
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Oh.
[Ginny:] send you these things, I go in for all the competitions and I never put a stamp on the envelope unless I'm ordering something
[Vicky:] Oh.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] I don't remember getting
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] well, well it wasn't those, it's sort of the gloves they sell, erm,
[Ginny:] Oh.
[Vicky:] were, wasn't those gloves, they, it, it was their thermolactal that they, they sell always cos they do them in black and grey
[Ginny:] That's right.
[Vicky:] maroon and erm, navy, which is what I like, and they are warm, and I like to wear my gloves all the time.
[Ginny:] , I've got a grey duffel coat and I've got short grey boots,
[Vicky:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] I wanted grey trousers
[Vicky:] Mm, yeah
[Ginny:] or maroon which I've got
[Vicky:] Yeah
[Ginny:] or black.
[Vicky:] Yeah,
[Ginny:] Mind you, they, they all erm, the grey maybe erm,
[Vicky:] They're warm.
[Ginny:] they all sort of match in. Going slow, I don't know.
[Vicky:] Oh.
[Ginny:] I'm glad, I'm glad I remembered to ask you, and erm, you didn't get one either.
[Vicky:] I think it's a good idea, got it all arranged.
[Ginny:] Yeah, so do I, I sound awful cos Peggy and I
[Vicky:] phoned up the funeral arranger and say my mum's died,
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Vicky:] her name was so and so
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Vicky:] and he said yes I've got it all in hand
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Vicky:] would you like me to.
[Ginny:] I, I, I, think it's a good idea, I really do. We don't, we, I don't even know where Penny want's to be buried.
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] make sure Keith our want's to be cremated
[Vicky:] Mm.
[Ginny:] and have his ashes scattered from his aeroplane..., by his self.
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] Oh dear. The other morning, earlier on in the week, the phone rings quarter too six, you know, it takes a while doesn't it before you realise what it is?
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] and any way went down and answer it and I could hear him talking, erm, you remember he bought this aeroplane back from Americ erm from Australia, this one of and it was Australian Air Force one that he had on Australian's, erm came back and stayed in England for a little while and then he went back to Australia, just killed himself.
[Vicky:] Oh.
[Ginny:] Told me land and nobody, and a passenger, whether he was driving it or the passenger I don't know.
[Vicky:] He was Australian?.
[Ginny:] No he was, he was but he was quite high up in the Royal Australian Air Force and having today which must have been in the middle of the night because Thursday, bit behind aren't they Australian's?
[Vicky:] Yes.
[Ginny:] A big erm, funnily enough, although three of the other chaps that were involved in, erm, one of them really upset me cos they run up together, he was navigator on together. I mean he was a super chap, really lovely chap, ever so nice. Yeah.
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] , every time a pilot get's killed they have a pilot count their hours and
[Vicky:] Well yes, and, and because he was young, because he was nice,.
[Ginny:] The best trip Paddy had ever done like that, because they were such a lovely bunch
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] but erm,
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] all of a sudden saying something about it out of the blue, you know, and
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] I'll be glad when he's got his.
[Vicky:] When did this happen? This morning!
[Ginny:] No, he's being buried today, I think it must of happened last Friday, or something like that. Yes, yes..., yeah, it's funny.
[Vicky:] That would be about.
[speaker004:] .
[Ginny:] Yeah,.
[Vicky:] Any way, it's just that,.
[Ginny:] Is this.
[Vicky:] No there's one place where you can put, the wedge of cotton wool in
[Ginny:] teeth away
[Vicky:] No, no, but, bearing up, I mean they were made before his teeth were taken out, his plates had been gone, and they just add it, the, the extra teeth to it and they didn't know that it, it hadn't, you know, taken all the rest of the teeth out, it was then going to be further up in his mouth
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Vicky:] and catching a place up here, and he didn't catch it before.
[Ginny:] Said it got broke,. When he answered the phone, lot of,.
[Vicky:] Well,.
[Ginny:] I said if you don't get any satisfaction come and see.
[Vicky:] Mm.
[Ginny:] . never satisfied with it, the dentist that I have,. He looks so young to me.
[Vicky:] Mm, well they do look young don't they?.
[Ginny:] I had a baby there you see. I was recommended to go to this lady who's Irish and then she's gone back,, and I've never, I mean, the examination was quick and painless he said, but just keep an eye on that double on there, erm, there's a little tiny crack in it
[Vicky:] Mm.
[Ginny:] your age probably. We'll just give them a scale and polish, I said oh with this, you know,
[Vicky:] Yes.
[Ginny:] and all this scrapping and burning your tongue or catching your l lip of something
[Vicky:] Mm.
[Ginny:] , it's all done with some sort of ultra sound thing.
[Vicky:] Oh really.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yes, it's all new.
[Ginny:] It's incredible.
[Vicky:] Mm.
[Ginny:] And Dinda said she needed a filling, a re-filling actually and she said it's the first that she's been to a dentist that she could remember that she didn't notice the needle coming in, part she hates is the needle in the gum.
[Vicky:] Yeah, me too, yeah, yeah. Well I had that with this little locum, but er, a South African, didn't feel a thing, mind you a lot of fillings came out thought just had to go back and have it put in again, but she drilled such a small whole that, that, the dentist I saw, another nice young man, cos my dentist had gone, she's re-filled it, and going to be alright because her fillings out and it was a bit rough, they didn't sort of goes inwards sort of
[Ginny:] Mm, mm.
[Vicky:] and erm it's sort of the difference between.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Maybe telephone you about your not having.
[Ginny:] Well I have told him, I said to him he is, he is
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] awful with he's big and strong, that's why I always like gynaecologists who are fairly well built
[Vicky:] Mm.
[Ginny:] they don't have to exert any strength, therefore they're much more gentle.
[Vicky:] Gentle, that's right.
[Ginny:] I think it's more, sort of
[Vicky:] The new ones, I mean, the youngest they've all got a, erm, different, they've all got different
[Ginny:] That's right.
[Vicky:] they've all got different, they've all been taught different ways of doing things and, and really in a, when you thing of the old boys they're all erm, date, I mean they've got the modern equipment, but, they don't use it much. Yes.
[Ginny:] he must be knocking thirties that.
[Vicky:] Well yeah, that's right, yes I thought this girl was about seventeen, she had a mini skirt on
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Vicky:] long curls and er, you know, a, a then she, she, she looked a real dolly bird
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Vicky:] very pretty and er, it looks as if she ought to have been up the disco having a dance [LAUGHTER], any way...
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] weekend. You know that Dinda and I booked college, in June
[Vicky:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] that is so popular
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] it's so, all these horses and the beautiful.
[speaker004:] .
[Vicky:] Lovely yeah.
[Ginny:] balcony, the organised is worthy of the Albert Hall. choir is beautiful, the candles being light it, it really is,
[Vicky:] Very,
[Ginny:] and it's a beautiful chapel of course. So Sunday
[Vicky:] aha.
[Ginny:] and service is their was really to get, to make sure we could park and get in
[Vicky:] Mm.
[Ginny:] we need to be there by half past six
[Vicky:] Mm.
[Ginny:] we could of phone up, what two
[speaker004:] .
[Vicky:] Yes.
[Ginny:] Erm, and feeling there was it must of been he said today I've cooked Sunday lunch and erm, she ate half of it and I thought then she finished it.
[Vicky:] Oh good, yes..
[Ginny:] She didn't, she didn't throw up or anything, she said, no, no, she she still, said she gets, that's where she wants, start doing everything for Christmas and after half
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] an hour she suddenly oh.
[speaker004:] And, and how long is it?
[Ginny:] two and a half..
[Vicky:] Well, well it's a little bit dodgy go and put her feet up.
[Ginny:] She's lucky to have a doctor who just says bed rest and signs a sick note and
[Vicky:] Yes.
[Ginny:] .
[speaker004:] Oh I'm glad she's improved.
[Ginny:] I've got all sorts of people on.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Oh yes, we'd check them, erm... I haven't got any this Sunday, Lisa Marie that's his eldest daughter by his first wife.
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] this Sunday. And I said oh that's right, he said and I, I'd come up and see her the first we'll either take her out for a drink afterwards, I thought that doesn't seemed to mix in one glass, and I going to a pub because she's, but there you are, and she so's erm, can I bet you'll stay a bit, she said oh, I think December is your like it to be, well obviously it's getting him settled you mustn't over, she must off pushed him and then he's said erm, I, I've told mum and dad that if they want to go as well, they can go.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] told mum and dad they if that's alright, what can you say when he's already told mum and dad, that were waiting.
[Keith:] You have been right,.
[Ginny:] But I had to say I'm sorry Richard, and he said you're very welcome to come to the service
[Keith:] Mm. Mm.
[Ginny:] but I thought to myself, thirty youngest being concerned in one big go, every, one of them would have at least four
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] people, parents or
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] brother's and sister's and parents,. I must have one Sunday in the year when we have Sunday lunch at mid-day and not in the evening, because, you know I get to carol services on And he said oh that's alright, mum and dad eat mid-day anyway so they only want, erm, they only want biscuits and cake and maybe a bit of bread and butter... what can you do?
[Keith:] I don't know, I, I, I mean I know what I'd do cos I'm terrible I would make sure I went out, [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Would make a,
[Keith:] I'm not as kind hearted as you are.
[Ginny:] I mean he's such a good son in law to me, he really is, I mean he, he, he'll help Pete with any thing, especially when they lived here, he'll help Peter with any thing and erm, he's very, very good to Deb, he get's in after a days work, he does the shopping and housework, look's after the cats which he doesn't particularly like
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER], oh well.
[Ginny:] cooks the family because she can't really, her stomach is strong enough. I've read somewhere a long while ago, there was some sort of warning and I can't remember the details you know.
[Keith:] , they don't, you don't need to worry about.
[Ginny:] Oh, I read it as a warning.
[Keith:] But I said, yes different
[Ginny:] Perhaps they've changed their minds again, it's always, there's, they've got to frighten you all the time with sometime like that haven't they?
[Keith:] Mm, mm. Well in.
[Ginny:] . Saves a lot of
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I think there's something.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah, make sure you.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] cats and dogs being in the country there, were always about, the cat starts to go out just the same as the dogs did, they didn't and they didn't, even when we inherited that old, old tom cat in Sussex, he stayed with us and he, he mangy old thing wasn't he, in one of the stables... never accursed to me to. This cat had kittens which one of the cats... she looked after them, I think my mother changed the lining
[Keith:] Oh yeah.
[Ginny:] in the box where the kittens were
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Oh. teaching the dog to do his business indoors.
[Keith:] ...
[Ginny:] Let the mother's clean up the baby and then, then teach them how to go outside and then the bitch will with her puppies...
[Keith:] I think I would of liked a cat
[Ginny:] I know, I know Brian wouldn't at least three but, and this, and this wasn't really big enough and they use two side by side, whenever they were late or away for a weekend I took over and see to the cats feed, they were sweet erm... used to come on the porch and meow at me, it's my dinner time, come on, just get not time yet, used to come to the porch, and tell me, they used to know when I wasn't coming home, how do they do it? Mum wasn't coming so she'd come and fetch me. But the two little trays in the middle of that beautifully re-furbished kitchen with every mod con, the whole of the floor was taken up with sheets of news papers, two big litter trays and a sack full of. The only job I didn't thank god I'm not three of them. in and out all day
[Keith:] Can't they use the.
[Ginny:] so many trees and woods and things.
[Keith:] Yes...
[Ginny:] One of them a bit off colour or, you know, hadn't been trained.
[Keith:] Is Debbie not coming up.
[Ginny:] No, no, I said to Richard is, is, Debbie not feeling well enough to come here, no I took her for a little ride round the. The devil lane's have all got those
[Keith:] Yes, yes, they have haven't they?, yes. Oh dear, pity isn't it... [door bell dog barking]
[Ginny:] Lady.
[Keith:] Come on Rocky... come on come on
[Dinda:] Sorry.
[Ginny:] That's alright, that's ok were in the garden
[Dinda:] .
[Keith:] , you heard didn't you, you heard that, you didn't hear as much as mum, your mother did, but they do, they erm, they do sense the things, we, we get quite.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] We, we erm, we get.
[Ginny:] Almost the same colour when you first.
[Keith:] Yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] You haven't got a.
[Keith:] No I haven't, I go slower I do ha, ha.
[Ginny:] You think, you don't
[Keith:] . Well I mean it's,
[Ginny:] Everybody's got to try.
[Keith:] Well there's a even safer way that those on the.
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah, cos our, our be inclined to leave something on the front door step and go.... it's a sign of
[Keith:] Oh yes.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] You don't want
[Ginny:] Oh I've got a tuna sandwich for lunch.
[Keith:] Oh yum, yum, but let's not.
[Ginny:] I'm not supposed to be eating very much for lunch so.
[Keith:] Oh were having cheese.
[Ginny:] And I have got a little desert,. [LAUGHTER].
[Keith:] Goody.
[Ginny:] Thank you for the whip.
[Keith:] For the whip?
[Ginny:] The whip.
[Keith:] Oh the book.
[Ginny:] Thank you dear, lovely.
[Keith:] It was very good wasn't it?
[Ginny:] Yes, yes, he was a poor little sole all the way through wasn't, but, erm, she doesn't sort of tell you much about the good times at the end
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] which was.
[Keith:] Have you? Third one.
[Ginny:] Try to pass it on to you.
[Keith:] I got my first one in the middle of November.
[Ginny:] Yes, we, we got one as well right now, he said don't put a date on it because I've got
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I said er you might put housewife or you might put market researcher down, he said whatever you like... so that's that one..
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I get me pen.
[Keith:] You don't want to use the same pen.
[Ginny:] No, no,...
[Keith:] I've got a here.
[speaker004:] Oh that's no trouble she said.
[Keith:] Yeah. I'm stuck on that town, I've done it all but for that rotten town.
[Ginny:] I think, I don't think it's
[Keith:] Oh you haven't done it either.
[Ginny:] I have done it.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I've done it and I've sent it off... No
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] It's the lens isn't it? The tow, it's the, the town is, do you want me to tell you?
[Keith:] Yes,.
[Ginny:] It's. And the town it's, oh yes, e, y, e, is the town.
[Keith:] Yes, and what ever you, whatever they say, catch is it?
[Ginny:] . Actually I looked up in all my reference books.
[Keith:] is a fisher it's the only one I know, I mean I know a few.
[Ginny:] If I'd tried I'd of said yes. I,.
[Keith:] Yes, that's right, yes last week there was a word and it wasn't in my dictionary and I never got round to looking at anything else, trying to find it and.
[Ginny:] I think that's why, I think.
[Keith:] Mm, I couldn't find it in my, in my, in my dictionary so I didn't send it off last week.
[Ginny:] I didn't either I must of.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Don't know why it in there... Oh another
[Keith:] I put it inside cos I looked in I looked up in the atlas and there is a town called.
[Ginny:] I remember the town of Ayr.
[Keith:] Oh do you, where
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] is that? Where is it... is it in the Midlands somewhere?
[Ginny:] ... I remember somewhere, you don't hear of them.
[Keith:] No, I didn't, I didn't, no I thought well if, if there's a there is a place.
[Ginny:] I did it so quickly, all the rest, I thought with The Times crossword, I'm, I whooping through this like mad.
[Keith:] Yes, but there's always one isn't there.
[Ginny:] And I sat and last week it was something down here.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Have you finished yours now?
[Keith:] Yeah.. Oh I think to my self.
[Ginny:] Oh you never know you might win that, I only want to win it cos.
[Keith:] doubt very much whether.
[Ginny:] John or Bob?...
[Keith:] Oh were getting John for lunch on Sunday.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].. That's something isn't it?
[Keith:] Well it is something, because he's obviously you know, the mother
[Ginny:] He's then.
[Keith:] with the little children that he went with last year died during the year she was a West Indian or something two lovely little children gone somewhere else to live with their aunt,.
[Ginny:] He's funny isn't he, he's no interest in settling having a family of his own.
[Keith:] He can't find anybody,, sort of girl that he wants to marry.
[Ginny:] the, the fellow who's her favourite at work, she said he's a, a lovely fellow, he solves everybody's problems, anybody who's got a problem with work or family or anything always asks to see Phil, he's gay.
[Keith:] ... [dog barking] and the other chap that brought it round was very nice and we were talking and she said we worked at Panasonic and I said to him said yes, and I, I said oh I know somebody who works for Panasonic, and she said oh they probably know each other and she told me.
[Ginny:] It's ever such a big place it's huge.
[Keith:] I know, [LAUGHTER], I know, we, we, drove passed it, but I mean it was, it was sort of quite erm, coincidence,
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] and er
[Ginny:] Strange.
[Keith:] she didn't tell me his.
[Ginny:] He's a very nice man.
[Keith:] He wasn't even, he was a lovely chap the one that walk round, he's quite round.
[Ginny:] I said to Dinda well there's no reason why you shouldn't go out for a drink with him or
[Keith:] No,
[Ginny:] or a disco or something.
[Keith:] no.
[Ginny:] Erm... she said well perhaps his boy friend wouldn't like it.
[Keith:] No [LAUGHTER]..
[Ginny:] Oh. See that's what you usually get in these things, thing to send them back if they're not suitable
[Keith:] Yes that's right if you don't want them, yes.
[Ginny:] Shelve dividers, that's what he'll want.
[Keith:] Oh you got some shelve dividers
[Ginny:] Yes, keep his socks out of Dinda's knickers.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] I used to have a piece of cardboard up there... shelve dividers sounded like a good idea.
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] It wasn't, it wasn't bad either because they're only four ninety nine
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] one set, I think there's four in a set.
[Keith:] Is that...
[Ginny:] Curiosity
[Keith:] Oh is that.
[Ginny:] [clears throat] curiosity shop, looking like big letters at the top
[Keith:] Mm,.
[Ginny:] but that, that is.
[Keith:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] I said for heaven sake girls, not only trying to cut down on the expensive just because obviously trying to start up on their own.
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] and erm, Debbie and Richard with a prospect of another family on the way, as it, every year we say we'll cut down and every year it seems to get out of hand
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] and I said the other thing to cut down on, I know it's a beautiful around the tree to have all these fantastic wrapping papers and
[Keith:] Yes,
[Ginny:] bows and ribbons and, and
[Keith:] Mm,
[Ginny:] erm the crisped coloured
[Keith:] yeah, yeah
[Ginny:] ribbons and things
[Keith:] it does, but there you are.
[Ginny:] Oh but it's they go straight into a the bin
[Keith:] Yes, that's right.
[Ginny:] to be burned or, I don't mind so much if it's recycled I think why don't we all agree to use recycled paper
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] this year, at least were saving some of the trees then.
[Keith:] Yeah, I, I bought generally.
[Ginny:] Oh what a good idea.
[Keith:] loads of it.
[Ginny:] I've got a load of it.
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Got a load of it, still upstairs from last year,.
[Keith:] Mm, well it always, I mean it's the sort of thing keep.
[Ginny:] Well usually I don't buy enough, so then I go out and buy another package of it,
[Keith:] Mm,
[Ginny:] and that is too much.
[Keith:] mm, and I've sort of.
[Ginny:] so have I.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Give it to.
[Ginny:] Yes...... I've done it, I've ordered, ordered it from Katie, bunch of spring flowers, I know she loves flowers, and, and it'll, it'll give some... not very big are they?
[Keith:] What's that? Your drawer dividers.
[Ginny:] Mm, shelve divider, slide that on the bottom of the shelve.
[Keith:] Oh I see.
[Ginny:] It could do with being that long for my airing cupboard.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] and the towels don't shall keep bath towels on the right and
[Keith:] Yes,
[Ginny:] on the left.
[Keith:] isn't it?.
[Ginny:] But this, Dinda's underwear is so flimsy, bras, and pants and ankle socks and nylon, then, minuet space for airing off my bras, usually tuck them behind the pipes so they don't get mixed up with but Keith's see rummages through the socks and underwear...
[Keith:] That's for the airing cupboard?
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Keith:] , you can put one with.
[Ginny:] Oh of course I could.
[Keith:] Yeah,
[Ginny:] Except we've got, we've got, fish net nylon stuff over the bottom because otherwise things kept falling through.
[Keith:] Mm, yeah.
[Ginny:] I used to have tea towels laid across the bottom keep them right
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] , so he left it all open and I kept finding rolled up socks and of course there's in the bottom of the airing cupboard where the tank is, and to pick them up and give them a shake and put them back again.
[Keith:] Ooh that's good.
[Ginny:] Mm. Not nice fat rolls like I usually get, he'll just have to make do with this won't he?
[Keith:] Mm...
[Ginny:] That's one of these.
[Keith:] Mm,.
[Ginny:] It's a good selling postage and packaging,
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] they still leave you room to put it on the bottom of the thing and I just scrubbed that.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Mind you I think if you sent it without any postage and packaging charges I'm pretty sure that they would er, they would send you the goods because they wouldn't want to loose a good customer.
[Keith:] Well, no.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Yeah, yeah,.
[Ginny:] I've got a card holder as well, and I can never find my card holder
[Keith:] Oh dear.
[Ginny:] when I want it.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yes, this can go on the wall.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] It's rather pretty look, snowman all doing things.
[Keith:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] It's a big...
[Keith:] Mm, do it.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Oh it's, they are, they are a bit.
[Ginny:] Oh and the dust, yeah.
[Keith:] yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] And the dog jumps and wags his tail and then
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Christmas cards go flying... I did take a picture of all my birthday cards,
[Keith:] Yes I saw them.
[Ginny:] and Debbie's flowers.
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] I don't think much of the packaging paper.
[Keith:] Mm, I don't think so.
[Ginny:] No... I really got it for the er card holder.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] it's two ninety nine.
[Keith:] Oh Christmas grumble about that
[Ginny:] Not wrapped packed. was it the card holder one pound fifty
[Keith:] Yes, mm.
[Ginny:] quite a lot there, but it isn't the sort of paper we normally use you see, we normally use that shiny paper.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Oh it does hurt me to see how much the girls have spent on Christmas wrapping paper
[Keith:] Yeah, mm.
[Ginny:] and it's all crumpled up shoved into an empty box or an empty bag
[Keith:] we go round and collect the little bows and,
[Ginny:] oh yes, keep it as a birthday present, yes, yes,.
[Keith:] keep it, keep it, glue them back on again can't you?
[Ginny:] Oh I can't bear to throw those sticky bows away, when they're not, they're not
[Keith:] Beautiful colours aren't they?
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] I, I, if nobody's looking I'll keep the paper because you can always.
[Ginny:] I do, I do.
[Keith:] Use it on birthdays.
[Ginny:] Use it on the boxes with labels as well, oh it's not bad, it's not bad, have got a shiny finish.
[Keith:] Oh it has, oh it's nice.
[Ginny:] If you get it too cheap
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] and you're packing a book the corners will come through.
[Keith:] That's right, yeah.
[Ginny:] Oh that's not bad at all.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] ... oh that's pretty.
[Keith:] Mm, that's lovely, what about this bit?.
[Ginny:] I think they're pheasants
[Keith:] Oh, oh.
[Ginny:] tail feathers
[Keith:] peacocks.
[Ginny:] peacocks.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Great big.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Hippopotamus.
[Keith:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] . paint brushes.
[Keith:] you might have a grand child to... wrap up something for.
[Ginny:] Yes,
[Keith:] The paper, have the paper already with a couple of.
[Ginny:] yes., I haven't heard of for ages.
[Keith:] No, no, you talk to Mary, you know,...
[Ginny:] Do you ever hear from her?
[Keith:] She does, but she doesn't know... how from what I can make out, she doesn't know how long, much longer is going to stick at Reading or she's going to do her usual, stick at something for two, two months.
[Ginny:] Reading?
[Keith:] Reading, she's, she got herself, I told you she got herself a place in Reading College, to do her, an English A Level,.
[Ginny:] Oh, Reading you see, I think of Reading, Berkshire.
[Keith:] Yeah, that's right, Reading, Berkshire.
[Ginny:] Oh no, you didn't tell me.
[Keith:] Didn't I?
[Ginny:] No.
[Keith:] Oh, well she did.
[Ginny:] No, that would of stuck in my mind.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] She moved down to Reading?
[Keith:] She got herself a job in Reading college, she got somebody to take her down there and a place to get an English A Level, and Mary said it's a thing with her she wants to get this English A Level cos her father had one and she feels that is she could get and English A Level it would impress him, he, she spends her life trying to impress her father who doesn't really takes much notice of her,.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Keith:] And she started off quite well there, she was a little bit erm lonely and missed her and everything but she gave the appearance sticking it out until I spoke to Mary last time when she said oh.
[Ginny:] She must of got a grant.
[Keith:] She, she's there on Social Security which means she can only do part time education because if you're on the Social Security you have to available to do a job
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] so that
[Ginny:] Which is reasonable isn't it?
[Keith:] yes, so, so, that you can only do education part time. So Mary said she, she came back up to the, a little while ago she said she didn't get do something
[Ginny:] Mm, mm.
[Keith:] and even an English A Level's not much good to her, yet she.
[Ginny:] She should do what Dinda done, I mean Dinda went to evening school for her computer
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] A Level while she was working during the day
[Keith:] Mm. This is, this is it.
[Ginny:] Paid for her to help.
[Keith:] . Erm, living there because all can do at the moment, is work in a shop or a restaurant or something like that and she doesn't get paid as much as she'll get on Social Security so it's not worth it,
[Ginny:] It's terrible.
[Keith:] it's terrible, awful showing her sense of responsibility and doing what she says she's going to do.
[Ginny:] Wouldn't she of done better to take erm a six month's course in secretarial skills?
[Keith:] Well Mary said if I thought for a minute that she would stick at it, I would pay for her but
[Ginny:] Yes, yes.
[Keith:] she won't, she's, she's just on the, oh I don't want to work in a boring office we've, we've tried to say not, you don't have to work, it's an in, it's an in to what you want
[Ginny:] Exactly,
[Keith:] to do, you, you get into the boring office and sort of, yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] it opens the door, it opens the door, that's why both my younger girls, I mean Diane's a different policy any way cos she wants to be a, but with the other two, who worked interest in computers and when they left college I gave them crash course in, in typing not in shorthand because they don't they don't need shorthand nowadays,
[Keith:] Really don't need that now, no.
[Ginny:] but I find it useful.
[Keith:] Well yes, but I mean, it, now they do audio typing and computing don't they, doesn't computing.
[Ginny:] Yes, yes, that's right, they use, yeah, but I insisted that it were open doors for you as jobs were so hard to get, I said it were open doors for you and it did it helped them both.
[Keith:] Yeah,.
[Ginny:] Once you're keyboard,
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] keyboard something
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] you've got a keyboard skill and they, they can teach you
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] these word processors and...
[Keith:] they were talking.
[Ginny:] Oh yeah, oh you talk to him?
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] [cough] I think I.
[Keith:] Anyway it, it doesn't alter the fact that if she wanted to do something, erm, really.
[Ginny:] Last I heard she was living with her for.
[Keith:] well she wasn't, she was according to her she, she was allowed to use pity, because she, she could, I said to Derek could have been so nice you and her, a little firm together working for the good of the two of you
[Ginny:] That's it.
[Keith:] now all, all that's Mary
[Ginny:] But I mean, a lot of people don't glorify on the jobs they do, I mean Dinda she said you know, it's awful being the one who's getting all the all day long, kind of explained and help them with their problems, sympathise with, with something that doesn't work... she'd much rather be outdoors than being a or looking after, but she said you know, it's, it's a secure job and these days I think well I'm not... I run my own car and they don't really think that...
[Keith:] Well then, somehow other people seemed to be.
[Ginny:] Think she's absolutely, recession on, so many people
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] all day long I'm getting phone call from.
[Keith:] Mm
[Ginny:] Erm.
[Keith:] People who, camcorder or a camera or a video, video camera,
[speaker004:] they do say that, that one
[Keith:] microwave
[speaker004:] people don't seemed to have cut
[Ginny:] No.
[Keith:] microwave a new vacuum cleaner or whatever, I mean all the things they make, music centre... that is a luxury really.
[speaker004:] Most people are buying those sort of things...
[Ginny:] I know it's one of the last things I'd would
[Keith:] Vacuum cleaner, yes.
[Ginny:] Mm. Having been through the spate of using a clapped out vacuum cleaner that didn't do its job, and how different it is now
[Keith:] Yes,
[Ginny:] that I've got one that works.
[Keith:] I remember when Miriam got married they had nothing
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Keith:] they had their hi-fi.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER] []
[Keith:] It was the only thing they had, they'd got nothing except, I think it was.
[Ginny:] I didn't get a vacuum cleaner.
[Keith:] , we, we got our washing machine washing machine, remember it, we used to bolt it to the floors
[Ginny:] Yes, yes.
[Keith:] we, we weren't allowed to have that one, until we could pay for it outright.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Didn't have a fridge.
[Keith:] No, no.
[Ginny:] Not until after we
[Keith:] no,
[Ginny:] moved to Maidenhead.
[Keith:] not until you could pay for it, you didn't do, go.
[Ginny:] Remember my washing machine where I used to turn the handle at the top, heat it up with gas
[Keith:] Yeah,, yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] and if I'd got something big and heavy you used to say to me bring it down and put it in my big machine.
[Keith:] Mm...
[Ginny:] I used to bring down quilts and... my machine wasn't big enough and in any case I couldn't possibly lift them once they were
[Keith:] No, no,
[Ginny:] full of water.
[Keith:] no, but nowadays the, the machines don't take, mind you because it was take a lot of water, waste.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Keith:] Nowadays it's
[Ginny:] Don't they, don't they have
[Keith:] I know, I know if I've got a towel in mine or a big thing and, and it's all happens to be on one side
[Ginny:] One side,
[Keith:] of the, the drum and it starts to erm... spin
[Ginny:] yeah
[Keith:] the whole thing goes woof and it all seems
[Ginny:] Really.
[Keith:] to move to one side, yeah, cos it's standing in an area and it isn't flat against.
[Ginny:] That seems rather something heavy.
[Keith:] Mm, mm,
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] But I often look back and think well if was the girls who insisted that it's time mum had a proper automatic washing machine
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] and then only had it four years, but I used to it was, it's such a waste that washing machine, I think maybe I've done a few shirts hand washing and all the water, whereas in the twin tub I'd of done the light weights, heated the water up done the shirts and, erm, got the put in, maybe towels and then I'd put, re-heat the water if, if it wasn't really soiled and I could do either all the dogs stuff or, or my dusters
[Keith:] Yeah, mm.
[Ginny:] and then after that you've got all the water left and it cleaned the sink as you as the pump pumped it out, you could go quickly with a brush round the sink and suds cleaned all the sink for you, or you could with your pail.
[Keith:] Yeah, or, or even with the garden.
[Ginny:] Oh yes, I used to save it for the garden too.... Now, now, with it, the one thing in that's it, and all the water's wasted, you can't re-use it for anything.
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] I suppose I could if I could pull the machine out and were, were the pipe goes over into the waste... I mean people do that in the Isle of Wight aren't they, were they've got to, need to
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] they unhook their washing machine
[Keith:] Oh yeah, yeah,
[Ginny:] and they put it into a, a an old bath or anything
[Keith:] yeah
[Ginny:] an old tank yeah, so that they can save the water and use it for other things.
[Keith:] yeah. Mm,
[Ginny:] once he said girls I will get your mother a proper washing machine, I agree she shouldn't move the heavy towels garden
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] ... pinks.
[Keith:] Pinks, yes we did get it, oh they are in
[Ginny:] I think I've seen him, I haven't.
[Keith:] ...
[Ginny:] Abu Dabi was the place I was trying to think of I knew it was a funny name
[Keith:] Aha.
[Ginny:] that's where he used to go out there the first one started in December.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] All he has to do Abu Dabi
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] London Airport where he has to
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Paddy has never had any body aboard the S E one eleven with a video camera has he?.
[Keith:] They have, he has, what do you want it for?.
[Ginny:] Well, for Pete, I saw it advertised it's a pilot or whatever erm videos
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] thirty pounds
[Keith:] Wow.
[Ginny:] it's a two hour video with a it takes you through landing at Liverpool and somewhere else and studying.
[Keith:] Oh really, aha.
[Ginny:] Mm, all the take offs and
[Keith:] Yeah,
[Ginny:] all the checks
[Keith:] aha. Oh.
[Ginny:] And I thought Pete will love this.
[Keith:] Oh yes.
[Ginny:] He's actually done it with Paddy
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] and I thought I wonder if somebody will ask, you know Paddy
[Keith:] No, erm
[Ginny:] Paddy was actually flying the aeroplane that did it, cos he's landing and take off was so impeccable and he's training.
[Keith:] , well, I mean he, he knows the one and only.
[Ginny:] Well exactly, but he trains other, other pilots on them first, thought they might of.
[Keith:] No, he erm, I say with videos that they, they send a video over an Australian thing, this chap's the other two and one of them had a camera and he went aboard to test pilot it and he took the all around the place round er having flown six five minutes and he paid he tried to things that had gone wrong, whatever it was and erm, he, he, he's.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER], yes. Maybe they've taken it from that video.
[Keith:] No, well, I shouldn't think so, but, but I should think they've done it on purpose, they've actually gone and done it.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] As a, as a. All I want to know is
[Ginny:] The backward countries have got more aeroplanes that we have.
[Keith:] Well one of, one chaps got seven.
[Ginny:] Huh.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] That, those, those two that Paddy brought back from Australia apparently does it.
[Ginny:] One that queen use, they'd love that.
[Keith:] Yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] She.
[Keith:] As far as I know that's, that's going out as well, erm in fact he went over to Dublin to get a bit of training erm idea in pilot. They're all up there, there won't be any left any where else.
[Ginny:] I...
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yes,. Can't believe it
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] it seems so big and impregnable.
[Keith:] Oh dear... but there was that was a video
[Ginny:] Oh.... Oh me, I would of thought more and more people would fly rather... rather than perhaps the business men aren't, looking over the old New Jersey, or New Walkie something like that, a veteran.
[Keith:] A lot of the Americans did.
[Ginny:] Can't think why and I can't think why they should think they mustn't go on Pan Am cos Pan Am are a target
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] any American airlines
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] any British airlines could be a target.
[Keith:] Mm...
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Mm, mm...
[Ginny:] should know.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] coats sitting on you?
[Keith:] George smoking.
[Ginny:] I said look, Joan's had her eye on she doesn't smoke, Paddy doesn't smoke pipe on a chair.
[Keith:] He doesn't smoke at all,.
[Ginny:] Certainly give them, yeah and I said Joan will tell you not only does her but the table that he sits on and the wall around it,
[Keith:] Wall around it, yes,
[Ginny:] absolutely filthy, oh I can't be like it, I said she didn't ground it just dirt
[Keith:] dirt
[Ginny:] from the dog running and the vacuum cleaner
[Keith:] it does doesn't it?
[Ginny:] I said that's what it's for, yeah, yeah.
[Keith:] If it, it wasn't dirty then it wouldn't be. So what I do is, I, I turn one off at night downstairs and I put one on in the bedroom
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] I've got one in the bedroom, and er, in the morning I turn one of in the bedroom and try and remember to turn the one off in the turn the light out downstairs.
[Ginny:] their light.
[Keith:] It's very difficult, it's very difficult at my age to remember all these.
[Ginny:] Oh if any one can fair enough.
[Keith:] Oh put mine on the mantelpiece, I don't, I don't know whether they like to.
[Ginny:] Oh television attracts dust any way doesn't it?
[Keith:] Yes
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] But I, I must.
[Ginny:] Takes forever, takes him forever.
[Keith:] Yes... Yes, cos he's got one of those erm, oh dear what's it called, it's got a big thing tube and stuff and it's got one of those erm bits round the outside it goes on what do you call those er, and you, you squeeze it don't you
[Ginny:] Oh yes, that's right
[Keith:] and it comes down.
[Ginny:] I've got some of that down at Cambridge, got more control
[Keith:] Yes
[Ginny:] and it's very hard to push any way
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] this one it just comes out like soft rubber
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] and you just fill in the gaps
[Keith:] Yes, yes, when Paddy tried to do ours in the flat need to use small screw drivers to make the, the.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Keith:] and of course it was all squashed up either side, we have to wait until it's dry now.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] It's smelt to high heaven
[Ginny:] It does smell doesn't it?
[Keith:] Oh, oh it's strong, he said and you shouldn't leave it till ten o'clock at night, then it's on a cold night and have to open the windows
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Keith:] the bathroom window all wide open when I went upstairs to bath, I thought I, I....
[Ginny:] [yawn] oh dear.
[Keith:] When he wrenched his back he wasn't doing anything in the house, when he wrenched his back all he was doing was lifting the carton of the back seat of the car.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] It shows that something stupid and it just went, spine, and he was sitting on the pavement out there for three or four minutes in agony,
[Ginny:] Really.
[Keith:] had he done it when he was lifting, like putting the bath in or something, I could understand it
[Ginny:] Yeah, yeah.
[Keith:] or put, lifted part of his precious machine.
[Ginny:] Yeah... You ready for your lunch?... Oh yawning.
[speaker004:] I thought really done all haven't done all that much, cos I was alone most of the time
[Keith:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] The make you, sort of what were doing when making another member of staff, so there's a going on full time... having free coffee like Dinda did, much change it to be, but I mean it's just there for free, all day every day, she's now ten penny piece in, they get a card, get a little pin pricked on, every time they used it up to twenty they get twenty cups of coffee on its card
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] no, they loose it so of course they have to go and buy another card. Every time I do the laundry I bet there's a coffee machine card in there, shirt pocket, there's two there this morning.
[Keith:] Oh I guess that, that means that's all right when it, did you coffee machine.
[Ginny:] seventeen thousand pounds if he gave them a free cup of coffee.
[Keith:] Well he, he, he given them a free cup of coffee it'll be alright, but he didn't, he gave, the machine took ten P pieces so he provided them with the ten P pieces to put in and then when it was full up he'd empty it out and give them all ten P pieces back
[Ginny:] So he was given them coffee.
[Keith:] So he was, for it was, it was a perk, or something like that, I, I couldn't really understand what they, they were getting at.
[Ginny:] I couldn't understand it either.
[Keith:] I thought that was absolutely.
[Ginny:] To charge him I mean, somebody gets a company car
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] the tax man charges him, who is, who's got the use of the company car
[Keith:] Yes, yes.
[Ginny:] doesn't charge the boss
[Keith:] No, that's right, mm.
[Ginny:] Well I think expenses I'd should imagine that's written off against it.
[Keith:] Well he, he said if they, if, if, some, get a visitor in and I give them a cup of coffee well that's all right, but I don't know if it's money or, or like maybe, maybe.
[Ginny:] But it seems to me it's the person, people drinking the coffee who are getting the perk, therefore they should have twenty pounds a year added for... free coffee providers
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] worth twenty pounds a year or whatever it is worth
[Keith:] Well he he was saying that, that the boss was the one that provided the money that the chap was.
[Ginny:] So he, that was definite, yeah.
[Keith:] If he was given them tokens or something like that, it would of been alright, but I, I, I a couple of weeks ago
[Ginny:] Perhaps now they're not doing it then.
[Keith:] I've forgotten the details on it.
[Ginny:] Well imagine what Panasonic are going to own
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] giving out those great big blocks of, all getting as much as.
[Keith:] Well, this, this is a lot of people, of er to erm.
[Ginny:] Oh I.
[Vicky:] he, he was sort of on loan to another company
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Keith:] and they say film industry department, Wakefield somewhere got John's name out of the blue, so that, don't know anything else about it because he's, he's always been seen by you know, this, this other company, and he got three tax eighty seven, eighty eight, eighty eight, eighty nine, ninety, and one what, were the estimate was twenty five thousand pounds, and five thousand pounds
[Ginny:] Yes, and he hadn't even earned that had he?
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER] not a chance, he, he never even earned that much money in all his [LAUGHTER] [], no but I mean having, having had the income tax done that to you however ridiculous that it is you've got to do something about it
[Ginny:] , yeah
[Keith:] and having been sort of helping
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] The finally he decided what he had to right back to say, you know, I, I, tell you this is how much I've earned
[Ginny:] Yeah
[Keith:] this is how much tax I've paid, this is, I mean if you go on the dole too unless you've made a note of it there is no record of how much you've been paid on the dole, they, they give John the what he calls a giro, takes it to the bank and cashes it and there is no, no record of and when he's been on the dole. I mean he's got plenty of every single bit of papers that they're given all the time.
[Ginny:] Yeah, but the D S S must have it,.
[Keith:] Well I, I don't know how keen they are on giving them out, just.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Actually it was lucky for us because when John rang up... the
[Ginny:] For his firm.
[Keith:] for his firm, erm, he said I'll, I will see to it, which she's doing at the moment but, but erm, I don't know how far
[Ginny:] At least it's got an end now with the others if he's on the film company, he's got an end now hasn't he now he's got.
[Keith:] Yes I suppose so, but I feel sorry for Simon cos you see John and Geoff they can both go on the dole but Simon's is. The or, or anything so at the moment.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Any way the thing is erm, I hope only have a What he's, he's earns, er pay tax on everything he's earned
[Ginny:] Yeah
[Keith:] never had a not for all the things
[Ginny:] No, no
[Keith:] and er, he's been on the dole admittedly he did go on the dole If you're on the dole for part of the year, your own salary is do they add your dole money to the salary, charge you tax on that,
[Ginny:] Oh yes, oh not half
[Keith:] you see so I think,
[Ginny:] not half
[Keith:] I said to Paddy I think that they do that John will owe, owe them some money cos he'll owe them tax from all the doles.
[Ginny:] he can't tell them how much it is?
[Keith:] Because er, I don't know whether
[Ginny:] Oh well that signature for it every time and it goes on his file every one has a file.
[Keith:] Well I hope so, because he's been when he went
[Ginny:] Huh. He didn't get very much.
[Keith:] So I, I don't think it's finished yet somehow, he don't seemed worried about it...
[Ginny:] It seems that they chase somebody like John who, at the outside may end up after five years owing them perhaps a hundred to two hundred pounds
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] and yet people like the Maxwell board
[Keith:] Yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] millions involved and other people who are running dodgy companies
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] going bankrupt and then starting up another company in another name
[Keith:] Mm, mm
[Ginny:] which I don't think should be allowed, go right themselves off and leave lots of people that they owe money to and can't get it, they get threatened
[Keith:] That's right and then they go and start again
[Ginny:] in the or something, it's some of them are all over again, start them off of course.
[Keith:] that everybody without jobs.
[Ginny:] Oh the people that took over the.
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Ever such a charming family, green grocers nice enough people they have next door
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] he said and I got on very well with them, have a chat and I used to help them when they came in they were West Indians which gave everybody a bit of a shock when running a local Spa
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] , but erm, and I notice that quite often the shelves would be half empty, came here, I would stop on the way back from the school the bank and the butcher's and the paper shop over the road I could come in quarter to nine and I'm, you know, I, I was done and I said to my Arnold they're not going to sell much unless they put some money into filling the shelves surely Spa will back them, and he said I keep on telling them that I keep on saying to them if you don't put the goods there on display people are going to go over the road to Lipton's and and
[Keith:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] eventually they went bankrupt, Florrie is an of mine, she used to work there part time and she always enjoyed it, she's been there say twenty years, she just came back from holiday and found the place is closed down and none of for the past er fifteen months he'd been there, that past fifteen months none of their part time staff had their stamps put on their cards, so for their, for their pension
[Keith:] yeah,
[Ginny:] they've, they've got to put their National, National Ins Insurance stamps, erm, none of the Tax that they'd stopped from their wages had been paid to the tax man, so apparently there was I don't see how they've already paid their employer,
[Keith:] they,
[Ginny:] it was P A Y E, not.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yeah, but people can do it even in a little way
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] little local people, part time housewifes earn a bit extra to pay their mortgage or save up to go on holiday
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Not very fair is it?
[Keith:] No it's not...
[Ginny:] How that coffee machines any, any old machine well it's a small office, maybe a bigger offices have the vending machine, but every office will have a machine. I've usually been, been senior secretary, I've usually been the one in charge of the petty cash, which, sent out for proper coffee and the new kettle if the kettle blew it's fused and the and the tea pot and the tea bags and the, I just used to write a note in the, in the cash book
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] and cash back in the box of the petty cash
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] if I needed any I, I used to ask my boss or phone up head office and say petty cash is getting a bit low I've used a lot of stamps last week, they'd send me up a cheque and, never any question of they've provided us with tea and the pint of milk I use, I, I'd bring it in with me or ask the
[Keith:] ... I suppose that they
[Ginny:] Yes, yes, ten minutes office time spent in the loo, mm...
[Keith:] Yeah might be strong.
[Ginny:] You see the leaves in our garden, imagine
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] can't you with all those trees up the top, I give up on it.
[Keith:] Ah.
[Ginny:] I saw a gadget the other day that's two, two plastic circles with handles on, mm, I think I paid about seven pounds and this was to gather up leaves and big lot of
[Keith:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] look at it, it's isn't it?
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] What I'll do pay out extra for two bits of plastic.
[Vicky:] that was a good idea if you can borrow next door's dustbin your own you'd narf get a lot of leaves up
[Ginny:] You would.
[Vicky:] you'd carry them quite safely round the corner or whatever you want, but I.
[Ginny:] Most of my leaves drop down and fall in the borders
[Vicky:] soil
[Ginny:] Yes, yes.
[Vicky:] Every time I think about it I'm either too busy or the weather's too rotten, when I'm not tired the weather's pouring with rain or bitterly cold or. Did I tell you where we planted the
[Ginny:] You did, did you?
[Vicky:] We did, yes, the two Rhododendron behind the and put them on the outside and then put the two bushes over there, the Mallow and the other one.
[Ginny:] oh great, great feel happier now.
[Vicky:] The, the last one that I bought was going to be easy, but oh.
[Ginny:] So you should have space for something sweet smelling outside those big patio doors
[Keith:] That's right, I want some Lavender and Azalea and stuff like that, now
[Ginny:] , yes that sort of stuff.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Keith:] evening, I used to go up there and er
[Ginny:] I always think of nicotine
[Keith:] Yes
[Ginny:] , yes
[Keith:] . They're not much to look at.
[Ginny:] ... put there.
[Keith:] That might be, that one is one of the ones we moved in.. Mine's not very.
[Ginny:] One I had at Maidenhead was gorgeous.
[Keith:] Gorgeous, the one I had.
[Ginny:] This one doesn't. It's a it used to be a,.
[Keith:] In fact it was you I think who stopped me from pulling it up, I bought it as a, a stick from Bromley, in Bromley
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Keith:] and I stuck it behind
[Ginny:] Anna.
[Keith:] where the wall of An er Anna's garage.
[Ginny:] Oh I know, yeah.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Anna was.
[Ginny:] And I stuck it in there and I, I figured it had been there now for what eighteen months and I think it was you who said oh give it another six months
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] give it another growing and I just thought stupid plant, and I've left it and it's grown into a beautiful,, didn't call it which now is supposed to before the other way round.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yeah like my are no longer there
[Keith:] There.
[Ginny:] Yes. Don't know why they keep changing their minds about it, honestly, people start.
[Keith:] Yes change it to inches now.
[Ginny:] Even in kilos.
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Even though I've been shopping through France
[Vicky:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Germany I still don't like dealing in kilos. Well you'll be over there.
[Vicky:] give you a hand.
[Ginny:] No, no, I'm not going to do any thing.
[Vicky:] Right, can I have a look at your paper then?
[Ginny:] Yes, darling,...,
[Vicky:] Yeah...,
[Ginny:] It's all upstairs on the
[Vicky:] Well there's always, there's always the next bit of garden, it isn't there when we, when we put the rubbish out, then Paddy says is that everything and I say well you know it's not, you know that it's going to blow up again as soon as you've come inside, but don't worry.
[Ginny:] I when you use Mm, that's right, yes, mm.
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Well yes, that's, that's.
[Ginny:] ...
[Vicky:] . Oh perhaps just as well.
[Ginny:] I do it with. Having a birthday in January.
[Vicky:] Yes, yeah.
[Ginny:] I said well how about a I said would you like candles on,.
[Vicky:] Oh, that would be nice er, and
[Ginny:] Have that
[Vicky:] Oh does it, I must say that'll be nice as long as, as long as you'll let us take.
[Ginny:] Probably expensive.
[Vicky:] Well not to worry if you go, go to the theatre I don't want eh
[Ginny:] I like.
[Vicky:] over the road
[Ginny:] Mm.
[Vicky:] as we, they keep it no nasty erm the costumes all fresh and clean
[Ginny:] Yes, yes.
[Vicky:] They used to have those girls that, the girls, she became erm well she was an, she, she was in erm Rushford, you.
[Ginny:] Was she?
[Vicky:] She's er, mm, the wife, you know, er what was her name Veronica?
[Ginny:] Veronica.
[Vicky:] she was her cos we always remembered her.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Yes I liked her.
[Ginny:] She was in the window.
[Vicky:] She used to be in the window and her sister, and I can't remember her sister's name, there was two of them, they, they used to do.
[Ginny:] Yeah I remember someone I thought it was just another T V.
[Vicky:] Well she had been on one or two things, not a lot on the television but er, we.
[Ginny:] That girls with a beautiful voice.
[Vicky:] Mm... Oh probably can, yes. Oh that's the time going you know the and she might expect to stay for us, but best thing is to get the figures and we'll erm, we'll do the, give her the money, but erm I'm sure that he will love that, so would I.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] I don't mind, whatever.
[Ginny:] box.
[Vicky:] [LAUGHTER], well I mean, I did do what you want, Penny and I would come along but I think you'd see better in, in a box.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] what's going on here. Maybe, maybe you'll, you'll.
[Ginny:] Last time we went the, the came on and declared that it was your birthday and wished you a very happy birthday and you were standing up there, bouncing up and down.
[Vicky:] [LAUGHTER], on stage sang happy birthday to you.
[Ginny:] And that.
[Vicky:] Going like that, ah she wouldn't do that now, would she? You're lucky.
[Ginny:] I think there was somebody called who came down the isle and gave a couple of balloons.
[Vicky:] Oh how nice, yeah, yes.
[Ginny:] I only mentioned it when I was walking the dogs.
[Vicky:] Oh yeah, yeah..
[Ginny:] did she?
[Vicky:] Yeah. My little daughter was twenty seven Sunday.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Vicky:] Yeah...
[Ginny:] who does all the in.
[Vicky:] Oh does she, I, I mean I can have a word with little kids always.
[Ginny:] Yeah, but it's tea leaves.
[Vicky:] Yeah tea leaves, tea bags, well they're suppose there've got
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Oh, they must do I suppose, they.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Really, well I, I think I might pop down on the roses next year.
[Ginny:] I would.
[Vicky:] Warm, when it's warm enough to go out. I'd liked to find Mary something nice and pretty for Christmas, I don't know what to get.
[Ginny:] Can't you get.
[Vicky:] Well she did last year, she told us, but this year, well Paddy, Paddy bought her a book of quotations, which she, she quite liked it, but it's not a very attractive book, and we bought her a video of The Little Mermaid which we know she wants
[Ginny:] Oh yes, that's, that's a good idea.
[Vicky:] Yes, yes, erm, but I would of liked to have bought her something pretty, I can't think of what to get her.
[Ginny:] D'you want to drink ordinary tea or what?
[Vicky:] Yes that would be fine
[Ginny:] Or what Pete calls my funny tea.
[Vicky:] No, ordinary tea would be nice, thank you.
[Ginny:] , I have a cup of your lemon tea.
[Vicky:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Any Dinda's taken the camera.
[Vicky:] Oh has she?.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Vicky:] That's nice, well you're not all that nice, I mean it does you good, I, if I get an upset tummy I always have some.
[Ginny:] Do you? Slimming.
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] I'm ever so sorry when the erm, master mind finished
[Vicky:] Oh.
[Ginny:] It makes me look how ignorant I am.
[Vicky:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] You should, I do you ever watch the snooker?
[Ginny:] Sometimes if it's on Joan, I don't watch snooker, but if it's on I get fascinated by
[Vicky:] Oh, yeah, oh who won the finals between John Parrott and Andy White, Jimmy White, the other night?
[Ginny:] I think I saw it on the news thirty five thousand pounds somebody.
[Vicky:] Yeah, yeah there probably was quite, only cos we don't get a newspaper, huh, and I didn't hear it on the radio the next morning... cos we watched bits of it you see, then, it's, it's always on late at night.
[Ginny:] .
[Vicky:] Oh.
[Ginny:] And they were congratulating one of them, what was the two names?
[Vicky:] John Parrot, he was winning, he was winning earlier on in the evening, twelve frames too nine or something like that.
[Ginny:] I wouldn't like to commit myself.
[Vicky:] No, no, no. I just wondered, it, it what I was looking for, it he is the world championship or something like that.
[Ginny:] How many do.
[Vicky:] Yes, that was last week probably.
[Ginny:] Oh I've thrown the papers away.
[Vicky:] Yeah, oh don't worry, no, I was just start wondering because I, I watch
[Ginny:] If there's any magazines there that you want Joan do take them whatever.
[Keith:] , by the time I get my Best is so late on in the, in the sort of time, see I won't get that one until Sunday.
[Ginny:] , that came out today.
[Keith:] keep one, yes. See by the time I get to that stage it's too late to do any thing to send off
[Ginny:] Well, you've only got
[Keith:] by the time I get it done
[Ginny:] You've only got to solve the silly simple thing that they give you which is
[Keith:] Oh on that big crossword?
[Ginny:] Yeah I mean you can guess it from the clue without having to fill in the crossword.
[Keith:] Oh I never get round to looking at it even. Yes.
[Ginny:] Well I'll leave this one on.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yeah, that's three bulbs on that one.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yes, isn't it exciting isn't it lovely.
[Keith:] Oh you think you've never been out before in your life, you'd think this was the very first time wouldn't you?
[Ginny:] . I'm sorry Joan I'll have to get through.
[Keith:] Yes, and... shut the door, you got the key?
[Ginny:] Yeap... Parker, hey there's a good boy, sorry... open the... exciting few days... when our witness, two fellows who broke in at
[Keith:] Oh yeah, yes.
[Ginny:] . I was interviewed by the police, I had to give descriptions
[Keith:] Oh dear, oh yeah
[Ginny:] real exciting down there it was... piece of wood tuck in, but since erm they were round the corner by.
[Keith:] About eight years...
[Ginny:] Mind you suddenly I've had to go back to running on.
[Keith:] Oh have you?
[Ginny:] Oh the plants were in such a mess on the oh it was a filthy mess
[Keith:] Oh I see.
[Ginny:] had me doubts.
[Keith:] Oh, oh, it's not, it's not as if you can do, go long, long ways does it, do a, fill up you, fill up very often do you?
[Ginny:] Only about once a week, five pounds.
[Keith:] Oh really.
[Ginny:] Five pounds just to
[Keith:] Just five pounds.
[Ginny:] fill me from going quarts to full. That fills from quarter to half.
[Keith:] ... [driving in car]
[Ginny:] There's a nice erm friend who walks her dogs, Henry and Lucy, they put their big golden retriever's and they put their heads between your legs and go bump
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] the time Keith came with, I had to warn him, they were, ah, look at this one. It does say slow every where.
[Keith:] Mm, I won't, I won't say any thing to you.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER], going to pull out now, pull to the middle, put me choke in
[Keith:] All I did say is that can't see us out here.
[Ginny:] Oh yes, I'm always, I'm always.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I'm always glad to erm, have somebody use another pair of eyes for me, but not to tell me when to change up or down,
[Keith:] Change gear, no,
[Ginny:] put my choke in and
[Keith:] I'm not particularly driving on my own, normally Paddy does, but erm,
[Ginny:] Well last time we, last time he came with us, I said there's one thing I just want to ask you a favour, that's enough [dog barking], she's as happy as harry now she's faced up to the fact, that er, he was not good because he didn't love her any way, she loved him.
[Keith:] Did she.
[Ginny:] She's the Librarian at Broadmoor, last week she went off with three thousand pounds up to er
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] with three thousand pounds to spend on new books for Broadmoor library.
[Keith:] Oh lovely.
[Ginny:] I said you, she said yes, I'm afraid so and I said I do sometimes begrudge it to those men in there.
[Keith:] Mm, yeah, they don't seem to appreciate it some of them do they in there, terrible thing.
[Ginny:] Life of Riley... workshops.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Makes me laugh, how did he get hold of a saw through the wall or the bars, they've got beautiful workshops, everything they could wish for.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Oh that's big, that is big, there you go...
[Keith:] is it?
[Ginny:] No. Went in. It's worth it cos you feel so much better when you've been.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] it's a real dingy day and I think oh dear, wear their boots and Kagouls, and you feel so much better when you get taken the snow of them, the leaves are nice cos they dry them, scuffle in them. Yeah. Just walking in the woods..
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] Yes, can't remember her doing it.
[Vicky:] .
[Ginny:] Oh... does Paddy help you move the plants?
[Vicky:] Oh yes, yeah, I couldn't of done.
[Ginny:] [whistling], Parker... Park, come on, come on. I was talking to Alison saying that sometimes I think we spend too much money keeping all these erm criminally in sane
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] I said to her, it's all very well, but, we spend so much money on them and we don't seem to spend any money on victims.
[Keith:] No,.
[Ginny:] And she said, sometimes I can agree with you she said, but some of them when they come into a library, you feel helped
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] and others really victim, I said but isn't it, isn't it kinder in a way, I wouldn't, if they really are sick in their minds then but for the grace of god wouldn't it be kinder to stick a needle in their bottoms when they were asleep so they didn't wake up again
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] and she said well we've got, for instance, one of my favourite patience is the girl of er, I think she's nineteen, and er, she's in their because her father had raped her since she was about eight, when she was sixteen she killed him, well I said well I think she should have been given a medal.
[Keith:] Yeah,.
[Ginny:] Hello, hello, hello
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I've forgotten your name, Judy oh sitting down in the meadow I think, oh aren't you having fun, come on Rocket, oh Rock, Rock, Rock, you, Rocket, I hide, he get's every so anxious if I hide.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] , didn't bring your lead did I, It was on the back seat [train passing], well this girl apparently, erm, would of got away of killing her father
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] because he had abused her all those years, erm, but apparently she's also got a, not the right sort of word, a pathological hate for men in general
[Keith:] Oh, oh, yeah.
[Ginny:] and was inclined, any man who accidently put a hand on her
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] likely to of had a have a knife in her pocket and turned round and stabbed him.
[Keith:] Yeah, well you can't blame her can you?
[Ginny:] No, I can't blame her
[Keith:] But I suppose you have to
[Ginny:] But it seems to me she shouldn't be locked up in Broadmoor, she should be somewhere where it's more supervision, but more freedom where she can walk around gardens and places like that, erm
[Keith:] , well she should after a while.
[Ginny:] Yes, if they put you in a
[Keith:] grow older.
[Ginny:] close order with nuns or.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] understand... especially is one of them was a
[Keith:] beat her up while he was, while she's asleep, didn't actually do it, while he was actually abusing her, so.
[Ginny:] , I mean a woman that frightened we all be seething inside and of course seeing him asleep in a drunken stupor to think now's my chance, she must of been in a terrible state emotionally
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] and thought now's my chance if I.
[Keith:] She couldn't of done anything to him while he was abusing her
[Ginny:] No
[Keith:] because he did it.
[Ginny:] Exactly
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] . Oh I can, I can understand what must be going through her mind, it must still of been a terrible time.
[Keith:] Yeah, yeah...
[Ginny:] . You don't want to walk all the way round do you love?
[Keith:] I don't care.
[Ginny:] . look at all the berries
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] beautiful hollies.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Oh yes. Are you doing. Cor
[Keith:] and er, we all have to never mind any thing else there's always
[Ginny:] Yes, yes. This is Christmas sort of run up to Christmas with had to do all the presents, buying, and wrapping
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] all this buying, all this work.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] all the food ordering.
[Keith:] Yeah well I'm quite happy, cos I can't do anything else towards it. Isn't it lovely?
[Ginny:] Absolutely beautiful.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER]. [walking through leaves]
[Ginny:] If it get's much colder I shall have.
[Keith:] Yes.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] I find these erm, anoraks are more comfortable
[Ginny:] Yes,.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I finding, I'm wearing all wool, erm and fur lining, next to my sweat my sweater's up round my chest when I get home.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER]. Got.
[Ginny:] Didn't have mine out here last year, I didn't wear my sheepskin at all
[Keith:] No, I didn't, I, I think I wore it one day we walked to er, house, we walked round the shops.
[Ginny:] I gave one of them away to the.
[Keith:] Oh yes...
[Ginny:] Oh it was funny with Alison when I first saw her on when she was still a terrible state she let it all out in a great scream and I just let her talk and talk and talk
[Keith:] Yes
[Ginny:] about it and I didn't see her for weekend she gave me her phone number, Saturday morning I gave her a bell, said I would be walking the dog if you want to join me
[Keith:] yeah
[Ginny:] and er, she said oh yes please and I said fifteen minutes you know, she said, since I've seen the Solicitor I feel a different person, I said you look different, you look ten years younger, she said everybody's telling me I look ten years younger.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER], oh terrible it's excitement on marriage isn't it?
[Ginny:] Yes, yes, cos the first couple of weeks I mean she didn't sleep.
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] She said after she'd seen the Solicitor and er had a good talk to me
[Keith:] Is, is she in the house?
[Ginny:] Oh yes, she's got the house, and had a good talk to me, and help
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] and er, she said er, she's got things sort of straightened out and she had a good nights sleep with her dog, both dogs, one on the bed and one by the side of her.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yes. Said I've a well paid job which I enjoy
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I said yes, your best without him aren't you, which I couldn't say to her before of course.
[Keith:] No, no.
[Ginny:] And she said yes, I am.
[Keith:] And money wise she's alright, then.
[Ginny:] Civil Servant.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Civil Service pay.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] No, no, plus she's not only, she's not only the librarian at Broadmoor, she keeps all the medical records as well.
[Keith:] Oh,.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Oh the do goodies.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] , erm most of the staff at Broadmoor haven't got much time for do gooders.
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] Erm, last time the do gooders insisted, one of them was left out, he went straight to the South Coast, killed his mum and his
[Keith:] Yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] girl friend.
[Keith:] Well they do seemed to get taken in.
[Ginny:] Well they're so clever you see, these Broadmoor criminals they're not just
[Keith:] No they're crafty aren't they
[Ginny:] Just eh
[Keith:] devious.
[Ginny:] yeah, oh and they're brilliant some of them.
[Keith:] Mm, well it's like
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] he did a video didn't he? He did a film on the television asking whoever had got her to
[Ginny:] That's right,
[Keith:] bring her back again.
[Ginny:] yes. Oh yes, they're very, very clever... so Doug was saying to me one day in work, walking dogs together in Wellington, he said I had this fellow yesterday, he just convinced a board that he didn't need any more treatment, he was cured erm, he wouldn't do any more
[Keith:] No
[Ginny:] assaults on, on small girls, etc, erm, they said why, you can have less,
[Keith:] yeah
[Ginny:] er, you can have more er freedom
[Keith:] yeah
[Ginny:] round the place and then we'll see how it goes from there, with a view to letting you out, back into the world and er as soon as they'd gone and they were escorting him back to his, his room, they don't have cells they have erm, he turned to the warden who are called nurses, and said never wanted to have an operation, I like having sex with little girls, he said
[Keith:] Oh no
[Ginny:] now I've got two little girls he said I hate to turn away knowing what he'd done to the last little girl
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Oh, but there was a thing on the on the radio the other day talking about little boys, and they let him out he was now got a karate class for young boys in the South of England somewhere.
[Ginny:] Good grief.
[Keith:] If I, if my children were there, I'd take them out of there like a shot.
[Ginny:] Yes, so would I.
[Keith:] They even gave his name,.
[Ginny:] [whistling], what did we do the other morning, Sunday I think it was, there was two thrushes here singing their hearts out
[Keith:] Oh lovely.
[Ginny:] and they were singing the territory, hello darling, they were singing their territorial songs
[Keith:] Oh really.
[Ginny:] like it was spring.
[Keith:] Well it must of been we haven't had any nice weather for ages
[Ginny:] They did it last spring when it was warm, when it got warm too early
[Keith:] Yeah, I.
[Ginny:] Then they all lost their of eggs, do you remember?
[Keith:] Yes, I mean, I think as far as I remember last spring was a good one wasn't it?
[Ginny:] Rocket this way, yes it was beautiful earlier on.
[Keith:] That's right, it was better in the spring then it was
[Ginny:] That's right
[Keith:] in, in the summer.
[Ginny:] and all the birds mated, then we had that cold spell and all the fledglings
[Keith:] Yes, yes, yes I remember now.
[Ginny:] got blown out of their nests. Come on Rocket, Rocket come... come, good boy,
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] good boy, he knows the difference between come and come, don't you, you know come, come clever boy.
[Keith:] Oh.
[Ginny:] Clever boy, you are good boy. Because of him being a rescued dog I can't ever give him a slap
[Keith:] No, oh no.
[Ginny:] for not being obedient
[Keith:] No, that's not.
[Ginny:] just praise him a lot when he get's it right.
[Keith:] That's right, yeah... do goes out seems to me if it's not windy, it's I don't mind how cold it is, it's the wind I
[Ginny:] The wind, yeah.
[Keith:] Paddy always reminds me how he had an offer of a job new I wouldn't go
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[Keith:] so he.
[Ginny:] That's what Keith's talking about, when he sails his aeroplane he onto a boat
[Keith:] I'm not.
[Ginny:] I said I don't want and Keith says, I [LAUGHTER], I get so angry I, I stand up and give the boat such a wack
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] and probably upset the boat.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER], yes, I like one foot on the ground.
[Ginny:] . [whistling]. Come on, up, up, I don't know if you had a visit or not, up darling, good lad, mind your tail... oh thank you, I got the wrong bag, I think there's a policeman's helmet under the seat
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I think at first glance you can't really see.
[Keith:] No, no, no, if you weren't sort of looking.
[Ginny:] To make them think twice.
[Keith:] Well that's right
[Ginny:] Maybe take another car rather than this one.
[Keith:] You have a quick look you, you, you think that could be a child's one and you think well.
[Ginny:] Yes, yes it is very, Yew tree.
[Keith:] Oh is it?
[Ginny:] It's a Yew tree isn't it?
[Keith:] Yes, isn't it?
[Ginny:] Beautiful, you don't see Yew's out in the open much do you?
[Keith:] Not that big, no not like that.
[Ginny:] There's another one actually in the cos Dinda said to me
[Keith:] Sounds as if they might have.
[Ginny:] Oh yes, I think they.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Sort of.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Which is what we had at home in the manor ground, our squire was er
[Keith:] Yeah,.
[Ginny:] selection of them went all over the world collecting trees.
[Keith:] Funny, they did in those days didn't they?
[Ginny:] Oh yes... from seventeen something to eighteen... early nineteenth century.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Apparently they use to keep a little thing alive and they took it on the boat coming home
[Keith:] Yes. ...
[Ginny:] Oh it's nice to have you there for a walk
[Keith:] Oh I it was lovely.
[Ginny:] Did you good as well. Wasn't it too long for you, to catch cold, if you walk.
[Keith:] No, no, not really, cold, but I do hate it when the winds blowing at me.
[Ginny:] Yes, yeah, we having some icy winds about a month ago, when we had the frost in the morning.
[Keith:] When, when the cold wind blows, yeah, that's right.
[Ginny:] It was cold,
[Keith:] Wouldn't set foot outside.
[Ginny:] Cold over the meadow then.
[Keith:] Do you know how, if you've got a lot of toadstools and fungus in your in your garden, you have to dig down don't you, it said about six inches down.
[Ginny:] ,.
[Keith:] That little pouch in the front where I have flowers in, in the summer, absolutely covered in toadstools, it's all the way round there it's all covered in toadstools. What, what I do?
[Ginny:] They're probably edible.
[Keith:] Oh dear, the thing is, as, as far as I can remember I can't find it in any of the two books that I've got out at the moment, it's not under, but I vaguely remember that you have to dig down a certain.
[Ginny:] It's not very deep thought is it?
[Keith:] No, it's like,
[Ginny:] Watching the television
[Keith:] or something like that.
[Ginny:] yeah and you should turn the top few inches over and there was what he called the
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] thing is if you don't get them out, then they'll grow up again.
[Keith:] Unfortunately I haven't got any spare earth to put it.
[Ginny:] I've got an idea I read that salt of course kitchen salt does it, which I imagine would kill most any thing.
[Keith:] Well yes.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Yes, and it might kill the flowers off, but.
[Ginny:] It was just that erm, if you do it gently, layer by layer
[Keith:] Yes
[Ginny:] you'll probably come across those little
[Keith:] yes
[Ginny:] interlaced mats
[Keith:] yeah
[Ginny:] which I think are the spores aren't they?
[Keith:] Yes, I think I've got to go out and dig, I, I really have, but but when you're watch your back and. With it, with it not, with it being opened planned.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] I do like, I don't really like them.
[Ginny:] No, I can't say I.
[Keith:] That's the only thing about that house that I don't really like, that's, the
[Ginny:] You haven't got as much at the front as I have.
[Keith:] No.
[Ginny:] I meant to put a lot more bulbs in over the I've still got time actually.
[Keith:] Well we dug the lot up they're all growing like mad and I, I've got an idea that once you've moved them they don't, they don't re-settle very well.
[Ginny:] Oh I thought you can move bulbs any time when they were dormant.
[Keith:] Well they're not, all there, all their roots are growing
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Keith:] and all their, all their
[Ginny:] Yeah, I suppose.
[Keith:] I, I esterase, all their erm
[Ginny:] Press your tip madam.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] Well,
[Keith:] ooh, there you are, got my, got my thumb stuck.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]. Times I do that...
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yes please love.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Erm, yes sometimes I don't have a pack of frozen peas, I so, otherwise... well I
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] She's sleeping now isn't she?
[Keith:] I don't want.
[Ginny:] do something about her sore.
[Keith:] Yeah, yeah, awful and he won't.
[Ginny:] Do you want some of these, or have you got some?
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] No, I haven't
[Ginny:] Have a name with you?
[Keith:] No, no.
[Ginny:] Rocket.
[Keith:] Rocky, oop... Rocky, come on, call him with your calling voice, he's disappeared.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]. My calling voice Rocket come, good lad, that's better, that's better. []
[Keith:] I with the voice.
[Ginny:] I hoped that the black bird with the white
[Keith:] Oh yeah
[Ginny:] patches er, come while you were here
[Keith:] won't see him, have you got.
[Ginny:] No, no, Dinda used it cos she's got a camera with so many gadgets on.
[Keith:] Oh that's right, she did yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] Yeah actually I put erm any apples I've got left over, oh they love them their. There's a cock bird, but he's much bigger than that.
[Keith:] Mm, mm.
[Ginny:] It see's that those two together, they're, they're Oh, yes.
[Keith:] That's the baby there look.
[Ginny:] Oh it is
[Keith:] isn't it?
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] You can tell by it's head.
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] I mean.
[Ginny:] It's still got brown in.
[Keith:] No, it's not brown enough for a hen.
[Ginny:] No it's not is it?
[Keith:] No, they're a lot browner
[Ginny:] It's odd.
[Keith:] than that, unless it's a little baby juvenile, oh whatever it is it's shaking it's head, looks like a.
[Ginny:] Perhaps he's gay, yeah perhaps he's gay.
[Keith:] Gay black bird.
[Ginny:] doesn't, doesn't look male or female.
[Keith:] No, it did, it's a funny looking thing, funny shape round it's head.
[Ginny:] Yeah, first the hydrangeas if you want some.
[Keith:] Erm, as you... erm, you don't want, are you sure you don't want to leave them there, I mean they're nice to look at out actually.
[Ginny:] Good heavens, taking two or three is not gonna, not gonna hurt is it?
[Keith:] Well, just wrap me up a couple then and I'll put.
[Ginny:] Well you, well you as long as you want...
[Keith:] I'll have to get a pair of these.
[Ginny:] They're ruined cutting up the dogs chews... you, it's you, you've ruined them.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] There's a beaut over there that's dropping it's head with it's weight, can you see it over, in my other bed.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I like them I think the're so, they're so attractive.
[Keith:] Mm, this one is just
[Ginny:] Ah, just bending isn't it?
[Keith:] just, yeah I told you turned out to be.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Keith:] And er
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Keith:] I mean they made a nice shell, but I like these.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] maybe I'll pick one.
[Ginny:] There's a great big cabbage one at the bottom and there's a beauty there, with more mauve on.
[Keith:] Well I don't want to.
[Ginny:] Well it, when the snow get's on that it's gonna break it.
[Keith:] Oh, I, I just.
[Ginny:] Yes, it's only one's, two heads, but it's better that's a beaut I mean that
[Keith:] Are you sure now? What about you?
[Ginny:] that all by itself...
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] It's fantastic.
[Keith:] Yeah, and this is the one that Keith cut right down is it?
[Ginny:] No I cut it right down
[Keith:] Oh you cut it down.
[Ginny:] On he's, he's instructions, on, don't like that dam great bush being so near, he never has to stand at the kitchen sink and look out like I do... this is where my, it's funny whether the winds blowing this way or that way,
[Keith:] Mm, they all
[Ginny:] my door, both my doors get covered in leaves.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] How is that? South wind or North wind, I get my
[Keith:] It must be a, a aquiline.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[Keith:] Aquiline.
[Ginny:] Aquiline, I've never heard of it.
[Keith:] It isn't in my book, it isn't in my dictionary, that has.
[Ginny:] and you know, small green flowers, would you believe.
[Keith:] Oh,.
[Ginny:] Night scented stock, that's coming nearly out, isn't it ridiculous.
[Keith:] Oh and it's smelling.
[Ginny:] Yeap, it's night scented stock.
[Keith:] Yeah, yeah
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] I've got a fuchsia that's still growing.
[Ginny:] Strawberries, actually
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] There's actual strawberries there
[Keith:] Actual strawberries
[Ginny:] they're not ripening of course, but they're strawberries, birds are enjoying them, look, look at the size of them, ridiculous isn't it?.
[Keith:] you should.
[Ginny:] Yes, yes, special isn't it?
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] .
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] I thought might be a bit more sheltered
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] and that is the
[Keith:] That look's like a.
[Ginny:] from Chester.
[Keith:] Ooh.
[Ginny:] And now when I look round the garden I can say that's Diane and
[Keith:] Yeah, yeah.
[Ginny:] that's Joan
[Keith:] Super isn't it?
[Ginny:] yes it's lovely having cutting's from friends.
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] I always think the that's Joan's
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] you see whenever I.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Well there's enough of them look.
[Keith:] Oh
[Ginny:] There, there, there.
[Keith:] Oh if I can pinched one of those is you've got too many, I'll just have one.
[Ginny:] I have, they, they, they multiply just look, look how they've multiplied, they, they.
[Keith:] Oh yeah, well if.
[Ginny:] Take a another one just started.
[Keith:] Now I think that one over there is.
[Ginny:] Another one started there, look. My fuchsia now that was, that was erm, blooming until about a week ago
[Keith:] Oh.
[Ginny:] having a new on it.
[Keith:] Yes touch wood, for flowers it hasn't been too bad a year, so far, we haven't had very.
[Ginny:] No. This is the only bit of garden I bother with, and nature can have the rest.
[Keith:] Well, dear that's why, you have the
[Ginny:] Rhododendron's
[Keith:] . And you think amazing what we use to do.
[Ginny:] Yeah, heavy hammer.
[Keith:] Yeah, to put the in the front of the steps.
[Ginny:] Mad.
[Keith:] went out.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] and bought the York stone cupboard all the way back in the wheel barrow and put it in, made, pack it all up and made to look.
[Ginny:] Maidenhead there, me bring the box up garden.
[Keith:] The old bicycle's and the old bed steeds
[Ginny:] Yeah
[Keith:] all went underneath
[Ginny:] yeah,
[Keith:] And in between you decorated and
[Ginny:] Yes
[Keith:] looked after the kids
[Ginny:] yes
[Keith:] and you went to school and you oh dear, well I'm glad we've had our share, I mean the kids do it nowadays but we have had our share of it haven't we?
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER].
[Keith:] Have you er
[Ginny:] It's been ruined with the, going through this.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yes, I think I might get a new pair of secateurs.
[Keith:] Well it's much more useful for me that is than something.
[Ginny:] Got so much more.
[Keith:] I thought mine hadn't come out, then when I went out there a little while ago it had come out, but so late in the year moved it, it was all in big clump under the oh I've got great big clump under the tree and not one of them, either of them had a, a bloom on, so I said useless,
[Ginny:] Trees,
[Keith:] useless.
[Ginny:] mm, mm.
[Keith:] The bushes, you know, so I, I moved a little bit of it, it's got.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]. I don't like throwing plants away.
[Keith:] I don't like throwing plants away either, but you've got to do it haven't you?
[Ginny:] Oh yes.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] I do with them on occasion.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Yes, isn't, those are for my mother's day bouquets and I just stick them in and they just come out in the vase.
[Keith:] I know you've got green fingers, you've. Well when it comes out of it.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] Sunny window. What I do with my roses when I go out is I get a lot of please from looking, looking
[Ginny:] I would of had them in the front.
[Keith:] at them in the kitchen over the sink,
[Ginny:] Oh yes
[Keith:] I put them there so I
[Ginny:] yes.
[Keith:] can see them and they're much, they look a happier than they do out in the cold.
[Ginny:] Rocket, leave, leave, eaten birds bread, look he's got dogs biscuit, but he's eaten the birds, stop it, Rocket, leave, go on... in, in.
[Keith:] I'll go and do want anything?
[Ginny:] Nothing else really to take.
[Keith:] No, thanks Ginny you did your bit for.
[Ginny:] Oh yes.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] He has to have a crunchy chew when he comes in from his walk.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] He's thoroughly spoiled, far more than any of my pedigree's, this little rescue animal.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]. He doesn't take, it's strange, although it's made originally with gin soaking the slows... you can't taste any thing of the gin, slows kill it completely, cos I loathe the smell of gin, I can't stand it.
[Keith:] No, neither can I.
[Ginny:] Doesn't smell or taste of gin at all.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] It's very, very good for tummy upset.
[Keith:] Exceptionally good for period pains I suppose perhaps the er.
[Ginny:] My Keith tried a little drop last night and he said I mustn't drink this so soon after then he had another sip mustn't drink it and he
[Keith:] Had another one [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] I only gave him that much, I only gave him a tiny drop to take, I said it's medicinal really like my Brandy Port.
[Keith:] Yeah,.
[Ginny:] It was Gin, then they had the brown sugar syrup added
[Keith:] Mm.
[Ginny:] Erm... then the yeast, that worked on the sugar
[Keith:] Mm, mm,
[Ginny:] alcoholic.
[Keith:] ninety nine and a half per cent.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER], erm I'd imagine it's fairly potent.
[Keith:] Yes, well I'm telling you it is,.
[Ginny:] Yeah, not to.
[Keith:] , yeah.
[Ginny:] Well you'll only get two glasses out of that.
[Keith:] Oh yes, but that's, that's not this week, he's having his alcohol free week.
[Ginny:] Ah yes,.
[Keith:] Oh Iris I've only got one hand.
[Ginny:] Are you sure you've got everything?
[Keith:] Yes that's fine, I
[Ginny:] So he'll be a whole day without
[Keith:] Without.
[Ginny:] Oh he's gonna feel awful.
[Keith:] Yeah, [LAUGHTER].
[Ginny:] He'll hide himself away.
[Keith:] No, he doesn't care I.
[Ginny:] He would if I came over, he'd hate it.
[Keith:] Oh yeah, oh, I mean, that would be different, you won't be invited.
[Ginny:] No.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER], I'll got out too. Bye, bye dear, thanks for the lunch.
[Ginny:] Take care.
[Keith:] take care love, and if I don't see you, when I, I'll speak to you before any way.
[Ginny:] Before Christmas, oh I should hope so.
[Keith:] Oh yes, but,.
[Ginny:] I will.
[Keith:] I'll ring up.
[Ginny:] I don't know even what the panto is, but it's bound to be a good one if it's Dinda, yeah.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Lovely evening out isn't it?
[Keith:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] Perhaps we could have dinner out first depending on what time it starts.
[Keith:] .
[Ginny:] Oh it's my treat to hear, it's her birthday, [LAUGHTER], bye darling. No dear.
[Keith:] I'll with that... is it on?
[Ginny:] No.
[Keith:] Came up with a... an idea about Maxwell today,I... cos I said... Maxwell
[Ginny:] Oh did you?
[Keith:] either committed suicide... he took a throw himself off... beside the boat... hoping he'd never be found... or... he erm... was murdered... cos you know, people... don't like him... oh Reg came up with a good one, he said we... possibly he wanted to disappear you see
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Keith:] and it went wrong
[Ginny:] Ooh no!
[Keith:] and I said I could imagine, you know, the boys are there with the boat, they've got it ready and he steps off the other one and they say oh I'm sorry... missed your footing did you?
[Ginny:] Or
[Dinda:] Oh it's rotten
[Ginny:] or they just didn't bother to fish him out.
[Keith:] No we they wouldn't bother to fish him.
[Ginny:] I mean wouldn't stop would it...
[Keith:] No he was a... he was a rotten sly man... there was no question about it.
[Dinda:] I even Oh I love you bits and pieces you good boy!
[Keith:] You think of the people, I mean, these people have been there for all those years
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] trying to get a pension and they're
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Keith:] not gonna get a thing.
[Ginny:] It's rotten... it that is rotten.
[Keith:] ... no man can pay for that.
[Ginny:] No.
[Keith:] I mean if he was hung, drawn and quartered he still couldn't pay for it... the suffering he's gonna cause.
[Ginny:] But why did he need seven hundred millions pounds? What can anyone do with seven hundred million?
[Keith:] Cos he's a Shyster!
[Ginny:] Yes, but surely a couple of million's enough for anybody.
[Keith:] He's a Shyster!
[Ginny:] Seven hundred million.
[Keith:] Greed at the moment is beyond... belief.
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dinda:] Where is it Dad?
[Keith:] Where di where did he go?... Did he get it?... Has he eaten it.
[Ginny:] No he hasn't he's just playing with it.
[Keith:] Where is it?
[Ginny:] Over that side.
[Keith:] You want me to throw the bloody thing, do you?
[Ginny:] Yeah well she doesn't like the way I throw it.
[Keith:] had a cut haven't you?
[Dinda:] Yeah.
[Keith:] If he get's it cut it'll be alright.
[Ginny:] He's had the end off it already.
[Keith:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] So I'm alright, you alright?
[Dinda:] Yes fine.
[Ginny:] I'm
[Dinda:] Yeah
[Ginny:] Just
[Dinda:] Alright... I will.
[Ginny:] Good I've bought the panto... Ben and Harry would love to come, Harry adores panto.
[Keith:] Actually... how much was the?... How much was it?
[Ginny:] Thirteen pounds fifty a... seat.
[Dinda:] Oh... what is it?
[Ginny:] It's Puss in Boots.
[Dinda:] I've never seen Puss in Boots.
[Ginny:] No... they haven't had it in Windsor... they did it
[Dinda:] I wanna go.
[Keith:] Could you put you're head back a bit, move!
[Ginny:] Yeah they have it for receptionists who remember.
[Keith:] Are you going to go for me? [dog barking]
[Dinda:] Rather funny
[Keith:] You're gonna go for me are you... you you gotta get out... you get it
[Ginny:] Drop it!
[Keith:] you're ready yep, alright... right we... all right I've got it!
[Ginny:] Where did it go?
[Keith:] Right the way through?
[Ginny:] Poor little devil!
[Keith:] It's probably in the garden.
[Ginny:] Really?... I shouldn't... Well it's not
[Keith:] [shouting] I don't want any []!
[Ginny:] those mushrooms.
[Keith:] Well you're gonna have it!
[Ginny:] But Ben and Harry would love to join us, Harry adores pantomimes... and he's be
[Dinda:] I pantomimes
[Ginny:] it finishes on the... eighteen... so I'll have to book it for the previous Friday... so... Harry says oh that's great it'll be my birthday too.
[Dinda:] Oh
[Ginny:] but they'll be paying for their own seats though, so it's
[Dinda:] Make an outing of it.
[Ginny:] so it's... yes... an outing... Malcolm's only
[Keith:] Where are they going?... A ra a lot going are they?
[Ginny:] a pan a panto... yes... the Windsor panto... going
[Dinda:] Not if you don't want to... you don't want to go if you don't particularly
[Keith:] How much to go?
[Dinda:] like that... I'll pay for it.
[Keith:] Oh!
[Ginny:] No no it's a it's your birthday.
[Keith:] It's your birthday, I'll pay for it.
[Dinda:] It's birthday.
[Ginny:] Your birthday.
[Keith:] ... I'll pay for it... just
[Dinda:] No I'll pay for it.
[Keith:] Is it very expensive?
[Dinda:] Oh it's very cheap.
[Ginny:] It's thirteen fifty a seat, though.
[Keith:] How much?
[Ginny:] Thirteen pounds fifty.
[Keith:] Oh I might go to that... fourteen quid, yeah it is cheap, than going up down the road.... We're not eating
[Ginny:] It's good
[Keith:] out as well are we?
[Ginny:] Well it starts at seven thirty, it'll be a bit difficult to eat out in there.
[Dinda:] We will have to get i
[Ginny:] Get there for seven fifteen, up there
[Dinda:] get in and an an an
[Ginny:] fish and chips.
[Dinda:] get there.
[Keith:] Alright.
[Dinda:] So we're meeting behind the
[Ginny:] Well we haven't discussed that yet.
[Dinda:] So that's Friday the eight
[Ginny:] Seventeenth.
[Dinda:] Seventeenth.
[Ginny:] The weekend before your birthday. It finishes on the Saturday... see
[Dinda:] [singing] ding ding ding []
[Ginny:] Yes.
[Dinda:] Ooh ooh!
[Ginny:] And apparently Keiley adores pantomime
[Dinda:] I think he wants
[Ginny:] he shouts out with all the kids
[Dinda:] I think
[Keith:] You know Paddy and I sit together well
[Ginny:] It's behind you!... It's over there!
[Dinda:] Well I'm not letting you I'm not letting you two in.
[Keith:] Well
[Ginny:] It's behind you
[Dinda:] No I I shall enjoy that!
[Keith:] He's got it.
[Ginny:] Look
[Dinda:] I was thinking the other day
[Ginny:] And they're so lovely at Windsor... and fresh... in case anyone pops over from over the road
[Dinda:] They might actually
[Ginny:] I said to her... my daughter was once was wished Happy Birthday
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] and that was twenty fifth January... up on the stage... and
[Dinda:] Mm.
[Ginny:] then you er... everyone sang Happy Birthday and... somebody arrived down the aisle with... a couple of balloons for her... should have done that for me too, on my
[Dinda:] Mhm
[Ginny:] birthday, the wished me a Happy Birthday... should have said
[Dinda:] Should have done
[Ginny:] she said I wasn't four years [LAUGHTER] old... and she was still working in the box office [].
[Dinda:] Well don't you dare do it to me in the panto, I will of die of embarrassment!
[Keith:] Got it! Got it!
[Ginny:] Oh you never... you never want
[Dinda:] I'll never talk to you again if you
[Ginny:] Oh course I wouldn't do it, it won't be your birthday anyway....
[Keith:] Here it is.
[Dinda:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Love it!
[Keith:] ... clever bloody, bloody good this was bloody good that was!
[Ginny:] Where is
[Keith:] He
[Ginny:] where's it gone?
[Keith:] That was a hell of a difficult one to find.
[Ginny:] What was it that
[Keith:] Look see
[Ginny:] I was gonna say to you? [tv in background]
[Keith:] I think he does it.
[Ginny:] Yeah he... he likes the chill as well.
[Keith:] No he... he just left it... that was the one I took out and cut... he got it... mm mm mm mm lovely boy... isn't it funny that I see
[Ginny:] Good Morning... could you tell me where Prima are?
[speaker004:] Prima?
[Ginny:] Prima.
[speaker004:] This is Prima.
[Ginny:] Is it you?
[speaker004:] Yes.
[Ginny:] It's usually on the doors.
[speaker004:] Erm it's a is it or
[Ginny:] No it's returning a... a gizmo... I'll go t... yesterday
[speaker004:] Right erm
[Ginny:] and since I live in
[speaker004:] Yeah
[Ginny:] instead of sending it through the post at Christmas I thought I'd bring it.
[speaker004:] Right... okay... I'm not quite sure who you've gotta see, but erm... if we go back round that way... it's only so you It's ever so cold out there. I know.
[Ginny:] No I just couldn't see the name Prima actually just
[speaker004:] Alright, alright, who's going.
[Ginny:] 'till I saw the van.
[speaker004:] Right.
[Ginny:] It really is cold... it keeps trying to freeze again doesn't it?
[speaker004:] I know...
[Ginny:] That's right... just walk the dog and... don't you
[speaker004:] round here this is the
[Ginny:] Can't see anything that says Prima
[speaker004:] Er...... that's it... only a very small one though [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Oh it does too!... be well being a bit low down, you see, you can't see the cars.
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER] I have the same trouble.
[Ginny:] Thank you very much.
[speaker004:] Let me just ask Gill... see if she knows about it.
[Ginny:] Hello I spo
[speaker004:] Is it an?
[Ginny:] That's right... yes I spoke to someone yesterday on the phone and they said to pop it in, since I lived so close.
[speaker004:] Right.
[Ginny:] Seemed silly to send it by post... I Thank you ever so much for bringing me round, it's very nice of you.
[speaker004:] Okay. Is it for a... refund or
[Ginny:] Yes please... just the
[speaker004:] Right... oops!
[Ginny:] It's not at all what I thought it would be... I just made a bloomer there.
[speaker004:] It'll take about... two weeks for the refund to go through, we can't actually give it you
[Ginny:] I was my Barclaycard
[speaker004:] No.
[Ginny:] but I've bought... I put everything in here
[speaker004:] Have you got the erm
[Ginny:] there's that... and then someone I dropped my... order form in the din... that belongs to the
[speaker004:] You haven't got the acknowledgement form with you?
[Ginny:] Yes I put that in as well there
[speaker004:] Ah, that's the one I after.
[Ginny:] and that was my Barclaycard number in case you want it... although I ordered it through the... thr... phone... I made out that so that I could read it off on the telephone... I didn't even erm... I didn't even assemble it... I just looked and I saw it doesn't chop... I thought it would chop things but doesn't, it only grates... Looks as though it had been out before, you know, you look at this!
[speaker004:] Oh it's one of those.
[Ginny:] Somebody's had it before... haven't they?... Look at that!
[speaker004:] It looks like it... see cos they're not actually sent out... from here they're
[Ginny:] No I... erm I realise that.
[speaker004:] they come from the
[Ginny:] Must have a big warehouse somewhere... but everything's there that er... now that's been torn as well, you see.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Ginny:] It's
[speaker004:] [yawn] Excuse me!... Where are you going tonight, Chris? Oh erm... I'm going to. [LAUGHTER] We've got some friends over from Canada...
[Ginny:] Gosh it's cold out there, this morning.
[speaker004:] It is cold.
[Ginny:] It keeps trying to start freezing again, you know.
[speaker004:] I know that... frost this morning! Honestly I like no drink
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] tonight. Now lunchtimes. I was gonna say, every time I pick him up it sounds as though
[Ginny:] The sun goes in... and suddenly you feel the frost rising!
[speaker004:] I know. It's not like that. [LAUGHTER] Not a thing... as long as you're being... as long as you're being paid for it, it is actually. Yes... She can afford be like that. That's right. No in the town, I'm coming shopping with her... Barry! There. Mm. Yeah. Have you got the time, Suzanne?... Shall I let you start coming to or
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker004:] Is it winter? He won't pushed into it... oh that's alright. Are you getting the camisoles out, Tracey? I am. [LAUGHTER]...... [LAUGHTER] What a dumb question?
[Ginny:] You seem a happy lot around here.
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Some fa I know your face
[speaker004:] Do you think so?
[Ginny:] From Sandhurst?
[speaker004:] Little Sandhurst...
[Ginny:] Probably
[speaker004:] Little
[Ginny:] probably
[speaker004:] little Sandhurst near near near near near.
[Ginny:] Oh... your face is familiar... perhaps it's shopping or something?
[speaker004:] Probably.
[Ginny:] Or even in a shop somewhere.
[speaker004:] Around Tesco's at New Cross. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Yeah, could be.
[speaker004:] Would you just like to just
[Ginny:] Probably.
[speaker004:] sign there please?... And then I can give you this. I Can't figure out why I didn't turn back at the... the? No he Great!... Not... really keen on the small one. That wasn't... it passed her on... we went. It was, yeah.
[Ginny:] I went for a walk the dog in Ambarro this morning... it was a joke!... It was cold.
[speaker004:] Right... I'll let you have that part cos they write... they won't want these... that is... that is original receipt so I'll give her
[Ginny:] It is.
[speaker004:] that one
[Ginny:] Thanks.
[speaker004:] and I'll give you that as a receipt
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] and erm it'll be sent down to our... returns department.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] Which is now in Camberley.
[Ginny:] And they'll either credit my Barclaycard or
[speaker004:] And they'll credit your... Barclaycard.
[Ginny:] Great.
[speaker004:] It usually takes about a fortnight here
[Ginny:] So we with Christmas coming, you must be
[speaker004:] it might be... yes
[Ginny:] getting very busy anyway.
[speaker004:] They are fairly busy down there, but erm... anyway, it will all go down there.
[Ginny:] Very nice of you.
[speaker004:] Okay?
[Ginny:] Thank you very much... I hope you have a nice Christmas, I bet you're overworked at the moment!
[speaker004:] Yeah, well... we fairly busy on our.
[Ginny:] I bet you are... I bet you are... it's a lovely way getting thin... it's good isn't it?... Mowing round the shops... It's much better to go through catalogue, I think.
[speaker004:] Sometimes it is.
[Ginny:] Well not in this case but I mean
[speaker004:] Not in that case.
[Ginny:] It's very rarely that I have to
[speaker004:] Yes.
[Ginny:] say no, it's not what I expected.
[speaker004:] That's right
[Ginny:] I mean we erm
[speaker004:] Yes.
[Ginny:] video... haven't tried the video yet because that's a Christmas present... the video
[speaker004:] That's right.
[Ginny:] I got an... it's a good way of getting... I think.
[speaker004:] That's it.
[Ginny:] Thank you ever so much my dear me dear... I don't know who I spoke to
[speaker004:] Okay and you just get
[Ginny:] on the phone, but it was... she was very nice.
[speaker004:] It was most probably... young ladies upstairs.
[Ginny:] Ah could have been, yeah.
[speaker004:] Okay then.
[Ginny:] Thank you very much indeed, my
[speaker004:] Right.
[Ginny:] bitterly cold out here... bitter!
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]... Thanks a lot.
[Ginny:] That wasn't very clever was it?
[speaker004:] She's just placed apart.
[Ginny:] You can't believe it can you?
[speaker004:] She isn't it?... space.
[Ginny:] Yes... and there... If I... If I pull up a bit and back out there. Ooh you!
[speaker004:] Yes.
[Ginny:] Oh dear, you poor soul... ha, ha... do you want me to move and come and help you? Or do you want to go in the
[speaker004:] No... it's alright.
[Ginny:] vets and say
[speaker004:] I'll go, I'll see if I ca after you've moved I'll see if I can....
[Ginny:] If not I'd go in there and say please could
[speaker004:] Yeah
[Ginny:] somebody move that car!
[speaker004:] I will do... [LAUGHTER] [].
[Ginny:] It's a Vauxhall isn't it?
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] Dear oh dear!... Alright poppet,we we're not going to vet... we're not going to the vet... we're not going to the vet... I know you'd like to... but you can't. Good morning Jenny.
[Jackie:] Morning.
[Ginny:] Gosh it's so cold out there!
[Jackie:] I know...
[speaker004:] Oh that's it?
[Jackie:] Yep.
[Ginny:] It's most un do you know it's brilliant sunshine and then there's a bag of cl... there's a bag of
[Jackie:] I know... and it really
[speaker004:] Yeah
[Jackie:] bitter.
[Ginny:] there's a bag of cloud
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] and as soon as the sun goes in it starts t... to freeze again!
[Jackie:] Yeah I know I know
[Ginny:] You feel it you can feel it coming.
[Jackie:] I hate it...
[speaker004:] Put your hand out the window and you've got frost... I got.
[Ginny:] It really is it's bitter... hello.
[Jackie:] Oh let's hope it doesn't last too long.
[Ginny:] Mm.
[speaker004:] They said it was going to get by the end of the weekend.
[Jackie:] I know, I know... yeah I don't think you're gonna get any snow, luckily.
[Ginny:] Well I don't know, you look at those cloud bags.
[Jackie:] Well they do reckon, well yeah, they reckon that but erm
[speaker004:] We can put up with the frost.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah [].
[Ginny:] That's true.
[Jackie:] Oh don't leave it behind!
[speaker004:] Oh gosh!
[Ginny:] Ah you're doing my trick.
[speaker004:] I'm dreaming. [LAUGHTER]
[Ginny:] That's my prerogative walking off
[speaker004:] Is it?
[Ginny:] and leaving it.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Oh yeah [].
[speaker004:] People are always running after me with things. Bye.
[Jackie:] Bye.
[Ginny:] Oh... where have you moved your light bulbs to Jenny? To make room for the
[Jackie:] [shouting] Outside the door []
[Ginny:] Thank you dear.
[speaker004:] Lost me voice
[Ginny:] Oh
[speaker004:] Yeah... keep
[Ginny:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Yeah I don't like you.
[Ginny:] There's a lot of it about.
[speaker004:] Through shouting at the children and playing
[Ginny:] Oh really?
[speaker004:] ice hockey the other night
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] and they were losing and I went to spur them on.
[Ginny:] Oh I see.
[Turan:] You don't fancy coming in the morning, no?... You're happy
[Ginny:] Well I do erm, what time?
[Turan:] I don't know yet, I just said to Christy what time will you be in in the morning... I don't have time yet, in case if I have I can ask you.
[Ginny:] Oh another time I... if it's very very early I... I won't.
[Turan:] You won't, yeah.
[Ginny:] I don't get up very early, you see
[Turan:] I know... yeah about ten thirty late or eleven o'clock if you change.
[Ginny:] Oh that's fantastic
[Turan:] You change.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Turan:] You yeah.
[Ginny:] I thought that's what as well
[Turan:] No perhaps going to bring it back, to you, I know that... we did it all but not now.
[speaker004:] Well when I
[Ginny:] Well you used to.
[Turan:] When you were working she won't do that... she must come very early in the morning cos... to go from here... cos all the old boys were flirting she had to look like.
[Ginny:] Yes.
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Turan:] She was ver very young boys... lovely.
[Ginny:] We all need know whether she is or
[Turan:] I know... now my peace with her... bye. Yes she was working... other... in the...
[speaker004:] In what?
[Turan:] In...
[Ginny:] Oh yes.
[Turan:] Yeah,. She was there... year after year. Yeah she's nothing to do with army... her son... joined the army
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Turan:] air force... not here.
[Ginny:] No.
[Turan:] In the north.
[Ginny:] You weren't in Turkey when they had troubles were you? You weren't in Turkey when they had the
[speaker004:] Yeah
[Ginny:] trouble
[Turan:] No.
[Ginny:] over there No
[Turan:] cos I left Turkey...... after I left.
[speaker004:] Yeah, how's it going out there?
[Turan:] I left nineteen... er... nineteen seventy one... trouble starts, nineteen seventy four... to seventy... Hello Vera...
[Ginny:] I should think it's rather like Northern Ireland, actually.
[Turan:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] That's erm
[Turan:] Holy war the.
[Ginny:] And your er did a marvellous job, didn't he?
[Turan:] He did so, but... some of them left... had he pulled, you know.
[Ginny:] Oh?
[Turan:] Yeah... he did it off.
[Ginny:] Did he?
[Turan:] He did it, yeah.
[Ginny:] At least he got you free of... Aggater
[Turan:] Yeah, yes Aggater
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Turan:] He bring the Turkey to... survival... but coupled with the suggestions... then other people... they not finished... they try and fill in their pockets.
[Ginny:] Yeah.
[Turan:] You know?
[Ginny:] After all that got them out
[Turan:] because
[Ginny:] after all that
[Turan:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] out of Anatalia
[Turan:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] because that at great speed.
[Turan:] Yeah.
[Ginny:] And they