[speaker001:] Yeah, stick it up your jumper, Oompah oompah!
[Martine:] What do you think Mike?
[Mike:] It's very nice that!
[Merielle:] oh it looks lovely! It's got a
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] got a lovely little brooch.
[Martine:] Oh very posh!
[Merielle:] Do think that's enough? Come and
[Martine:] Barmow! Bar plane!... Triggooms
[speaker001:] Now that's enough enough of that rubbish right?
[Merielle:] Two... Two big-uns
[Martine:] It's got a recipe here.... Chicken soup.
[Mike:] Any carrots?
[Martine:] Pardon?
[Mike:] Any carrots?
[Martine:] Erm... three.... aren't they?... Oh that'll be plenty yeah.
[Mike:] Any spuds?
[Martine:] Four or five.... Four or five large spuds, one large onion... three carrots.... Can you get the... pressure cooker out while you're in there please?... Er... plain flour
[Merielle:] There's the pudding.
[Martine:] I think it might be fish stew again tomorrow.
[Mike:] No, pork probably.... in the morning.
[Martine:] Enough plain... maybe he just tries it on and thinks if you don't say anything he'll get away with it?... What else do I need?... Or do you think he's oblivious to it anyway.
[Mike:] Oh, he knows what's going on.
[Martine:] Anyway he wouldn't... I know what he said about working Saturdays but like, you used your car as well and it wasn't just... when you said that as well.
[Mike:] No, but when, when Reg car he said he might put his.... About, it's all about money and he says well... sort it out and... he agreed that we're gonna get hard and all the rest of it... so I'll just tell him!... I'll just say that
[Martine:] No when he says when about working extra... he said through... the morning or something
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] didn't he? Fro on a Saturday morning not
[Mike:] I'll just say oh well we're working on Saturday
[Martine:] all bloody day!
[Mike:] bit like that.... That's all I'll say i in the morning... and if he says yes, I'll say oh fair enough then. But I said oh... alright then.... Work till dinner time or something then, then we're going down, well I'll go in my own bloody car the next time!... In front
[Martine:] I'll tell him that he... you won't be using your own car for work again!
[Mike:] No I'm not.
[Martine:] And, you wouldn't mind but it was last minute... that he rung up!... What a cheek he's got!
[Mike:] Call me then when you wanna do the meat.
[Martine:] Yeah okay.
[Mike:] Put the kettle on for a cuppa.
[Martine:] Yeah, I've put erm... put the meat to boil first.
[Merielle:] [sighing] Mm [].
[Martine:] Ain't got no batteries.... What am I getting, the spuds?... Oh I didn't tell you did I? Before... before you came home... the white cat came back!
[Mike:] Was it? Was that cos the back door was open?
[Martine:] Yeah, well I'd been out to the bin... and er, he was just sort of erm... by the ground by the... bin bags... the wood round the corner... and er... then he was sort of coming and... he was like dying to come and have a stroke but
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] he was like being shy... but he'd had all the side of his... fur... like shaved, and I thought urgh!... Maybe it's a... it's been spade or something? Or had an operation... but there was no scare though!
[Mike:] It might have been in a fight or something? Probably
[Martine:] Well it was it like a big square... shaved right down to the skin but no... unless, it could of healed and just not grown back yet
[Mike:] No.
[Martine:] I suppose.... Cos I don't know whether... I don't know whether it's a she or he? I call it a he but it could be a
[Mike:] So did you stroke it
[Martine:] a girl.
[Mike:] it in the end or what?
[Martine:] Yeah.... He... he had... he came in I give him a... saucer of milk.... Actually I was... [LAUGHTER] cos I []... I had the back door open and I thought I'll just leave it and if he wants to come in he can... and I poured him a... a bit of a drink of milk... and er, then I went in the kit, in the bathroom... and the door was still open... and then suddenly I... thought God I wonder where he was?... I looked through the window and there was no sign of him through the little back window, looked through this one, there was still sign so I thought God! He can't have just disappeared like that, oh God what if he's gone upstairs... [LAUGHTER] and in the middle of the night []
[Mike:] With us, suddenly!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... I did []! I thought he might crawl out from under the bed!... And then I thought you'd shout at me.
[Mike:] Funny about
[Martine:] You did
[Mike:] that cat didn't come back and?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] He was a big one!
[Martine:] But he ee... mm.... No but... this one must of just gone really quick, whether the wind frightened him cos it... there was a lot, the fence was banging.... This looks red!
[Mike:] It's alright.
[Martine:] So don't be surprised if the cat does [LAUGHTER] jump out []!... It doesn't look very old though.... So I think that was the mother. Remember when they had the... sign in the window white kitten for sale?
[Mike:] Aye.
[Martine:] I think that was the mother.
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] My mum says I've gotta... put this in didn't she?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Put some salt in with it.
[Mike:] Les has gone out to... Do-it-all... B and Q or somewhere like that.
[Martine:] What for?
[Mike:] Some tiles for the kitchen.
[Martine:] Mm!... Is he doing it himself?
[Mike:] Presume so, aye!
[Martine:] Mm, it shouldn't be too hard to do should it?
[Mike:] That's right Ian's got that tile cutter ain't he?... I had it, remember and I gave
[Martine:] Oh
[Mike:] it to Ian?
[Martine:] yeah!... It was quite a good one wasn't it?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Do you think they'll be out tomorrow night?
[Mike:] Probably, I should think so.... Three carrots isn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Or four?
[Martine:] I think three will be enough.... Everyone will be avoiding us like the plague if we take this there with us!
[Mike:] Just don't tell them!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... Yeah, I've put that er... rug in tomorrow. Er... we'll buy them a couple of towels or something.... Or by itself it might be too... it might be too big to have anything with it.
[Mike:] No! I don't think, has it got bathroom ones in there?
[Martine:] Yeah....
[Mike:] You can stick them in now anyway.
[Martine:] Yeah.... Do it when we've done this.... Freshen it up.... Have you got the heater on in the bathroom?
[Mike:] No.... Why?
[Martine:] Oh it's this I can hear I thought I could... I thought I could hear something.... God there was like a ra, I was on the computer today... and there was like weeee... really... ringing sort of noise... erm, I thought it was just... you know, when you're ears ring?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] And I said can anybody hear that?... Cos it was very high pitched... and er Rob said aye I can hear it as well!... Must of been on one of the other computers... and er... it went on for ages and it was... you know it's... was irritating more than anything!
[Mike:] It might have been that thing that er... that bloke puts in them.... In our paper
[Martine:] A virus.
[Mike:] Aye!
[Martine:] I dunno.... Anyway it stopped, I thought I'd gone deaf!
[Mike:] You what?
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... I'm not doing these... cutting this into big chunks I'd rather have lots of bits in it.
[Mike:] Well, don't cut them too small!
[Martine:] No, I'm not doing them too small.... Well what do you call too small? I'm doing them like that.... That's alright isn't it?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Ah what was Jan saying [LAUGHTER] last night []? She said she had her... This is Your Life on... and the
[Mike:] Aye I watched that!
[Martine:] Who was the feller?
[Mike:] Oh some singer man! Some... old er... my nan knew it.
[Martine:] I turned it on... while you were there then... and I didn't know who the hell it was!
[Mike:] No, I didn't know him from bloody Adam! But my nan knew him he was some top bloody... singer years ago!
[Martine:] Oh!
[Mike:] And he'd just made a film and, we were watching something
[Martine:] Oh aye... it's
[Mike:] and, was it David McCallum or something?... He's plays the detective that's chasing him er, in it.
[Martine:] And who's, what's David McCallum been in?
[Mike:] Man from Uncle.... Is David McCallum.
[Martine:] Oh right yeah!... The one that was on Jonathan Ross a few weeks ago. Well er, she said they had this... This is Your Life on... and Neil was in the room... in the lounge like... and... he'd sort of been half watching it... and then he said urgh mum!... He said... he doesn't look a bit like he... in real life what he does in that film does he? In the film.... She said, you silly little git, he said it's an actor taking the part [LAUGHTER] of him in the film []! He thought... you know it in the film it was him!
[Mike:] The stupid slag!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... She says, good God!....
[Mike:] You didn't mind not going to... that pub tonight did you? I didn't fancy going... out.
[Martine:] No, I just thought it would of... made Jan's night like.... It wasn't a very nice night anyway. Er, see if it had been a bit more local... it wouldn't
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] have been so bad, I mean, I know it's not miles away... but
[Mike:] Was it that little pub?
[Martine:] it was round... you know as you go in... say... towards... Ellesmere Port, well you know if you turn left by the
[Mike:] Strawberry pub?
[Martine:] no, by the Penguin
[Mike:] Ah!
[Martine:] and then keep going to that really big band of traffic lights and it's... Sutton Way.... Ha have you been to Jan's?
[Mike:] Yeah.... Oh aye! You're going
[Martine:] You turn
[Mike:] down towards the M fifty three lights?
[Martine:] Yeah, on the old Chester Road
[Mike:] I know.
[Martine:] turn right... at the lights... and er, then take the first left and there's a pub called The Bull
[Mike:] Not as far as that chimney place now, no? No, no!
[Martine:] No! No!... And then it's the, it was the next pub down, I've been to The Bull with Jan before... when we were on er... you know, come home from Wigan or something... when we were doing the counters.... It's like... well it's all been done out but... it was full of old croakers and... you know... an old man's sort of like the legion.... [LAUGHTER]... You know, we walked in there and you know how... like when we're doing the counters I had jeans on and a big baggy jumper, we were the best dressed in there!... And the feller's eyes were popping out of their heads!... It's been the best bit of talent we've, they've seen for a long while!
[Mike:] If I'd have Jan with Ben and we thought it was... a new girlfriend.
[Martine:] I hope not.
[Mike:] [whispering] Dear me []!
[Martine:] I hate this job!
[Mike:] Well... do you want all in bed I'll go?
[Martine:] No!... I don't want her... beating it and then have to pick all fat off it!... Grill a meal that... every morsel in it is... full of... [LAUGHTER] meaty goodness []!
[Mike:] .
[Martine:] Just like Winalot Prime!... Mm, tender bites mum! [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] Yes er!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... I like that woman I think she's got style!... Oh dear me!... Tell you what would be a good idea.
[Mike:] What will?
[Martine:] Check to see if your steak's burning! [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] Well something's bloody burning!... But there again.
[Martine:] I'm gonna ring Nicola tomorrow... have a Traggoon talk I think. Meant to ring her today but... I was
[Mike:] ?
[Martine:] too busy. Cos I... was ringing her
[Mike:] She's been at work today!
[Martine:] I know but... I was gonna try and catch her on her dinner or something.
[Mike:] Why didn't she go back home for dinner?
[Martine:] No, but like she might have a minute while she's... having her din,the they're really busy you know in there!
[Mike:] Are they?
[Martine:] You wouldn't think it! Yeah!... And, oh I didn't tell you this either that she was going for a promotion!
[Mike:] I thought he was going for the... interview for the job
[Martine:] Sorry an audition thing she had, she hasn't got they were very impressed but she hasn't got it. But she thought well it's been a good experience anyway... and she tho felt that she'd played her pieces well... erm
[Mike:] What was the audition for? Was it an orchestra like?
[Martine:] Oh, I don't know!... Er... oh I'm jus... I don't know.... But erm... they did let her know that she hadn't got it instead of making her wait the four weeks or whatever it was
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] supposed to be... which I thought was good of them really cos... you know, it's nice to know isn't it?
[Mike:] Well
[Martine:] Well she wasn't too bothered it's all experience isn't it?
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] But no, she's gone for this promotion in work... and er... even though she doesn't think she's much chance of getting it... because there's two permanent lads there... that really... you know... would be next in line rather than her sort of thing... but she's... you know, she feels she's done her bit... and that, you know, it's worth going for... and like... I said to her you might as well!... Nothing to lose.
[Mike:] Oh no!
[Martine:] Er, you know, she might get it.... But she's more organised than these lads you see, whatever the duties are... you know, she's got hers up and running and... whereas they're still a bit you know... haven't got it going as well as she has.... So er... I says well... worth a go!... In for a penny in for a pound!... She were just telling me one of her friends that sh... when she was in
[Mike:] How did you get on at that wedding?
[Martine:] Erm... well I haven't spoke to her have I?
[Mike:] Well your mum has hasn't she? Ain't your mum said nothing to her?
[Martine:] She said it was alright. Well... what was mum saying... erm
[Mike:] Well your mum... won't go in until Sunday will she? So we will be
[Martine:] No but... she did say... ah er the other day when we were up there she said ooh yes... the very part of Kent she was at was where that
[Mike:] Ah, somebody was... oh they were with the gyppos or something.
[Martine:] Oh that's it, yeah!... That was a good saying the other day weren't it?... Built like a gypsy's dog!
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] All dick and bone! [LAUGHTER] What was that on []?
[Mike:] Oh, on Radio one listening with my mum the other day.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]!... I thought, now there's one!... [sighing] Ah dear []!
[Mike:] Well don't burn that!
[Martine:] Yeah.... Be a nice quick tea then this for tomorrow won't it?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] I'll try and ru, try up Langley in the morning, I'll get a... do we need bread anyway?... Could do with one I suppose.
[Mike:] next door's, he said we can get some anytime, get you one when we get.
[Martine:] Yeah... but I'll get a... a crusty cob of
[Mike:] Ooh!
[Martine:] french stick or something.... Be nice with it! We haven't had it for ages have we?
[Mike:] No.
[Martine:] Ah ha.... Is that hare or a rabbit?... Can pull it off this end?... There.... [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] Alright!...
[Martine:] How can you tell?
[Mike:] Longer.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Like your tongue []!... Int chicken greasy and... Oh you'll have to give Tosh and Liz a ring.... Won't we?
[Mike:] Yep!
[Martine:] See how they're getting on.
[Mike:] Well that to eat all the meat today.
[Martine:] Was he?
[Mike:] Aye! It doesn't seem long since..., looking like Chris, just after Christmas it was!
[Martine:] I was only thinking yesterday... when I was getting the... thingie licence... erm... it seems ages since we've had a one!
[Mike:] Yeah, well they did because they all come in a quarter don't they? They all start coming again now.
[Martine:] I know but like... you sort of forget don't you? Sometimes they seem like they're just coming all the time don't they?
[Mike:] Well they are!
[Martine:] What do you mean?
[Mike:] Well it's just like phone bill kind of thing.
[Martine:] Mm.... Oh I
[Mike:] Except for
[Martine:] Oh aye!
[Mike:] for the electrical bill.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] And then it was... the cu, we'd payed that and then a couple of weeks after... it was the phone... and then it was the gas!
[Martine:] Yeah I see what you mean.
[Mike:] And then... you have a quarter then it'll start with the electric, then phone, then gas again!
[Martine:] Yep.... Yeah, I see what you mean.
[Mike:] But they always... around about Christmas time.... My mam reckons that the
[Martine:] You can put this through to soak anyway, this plate.
[Mike:] The what?
[Martine:] Are you chucking this out? We've only just had it!
[Mike:] There's nothing in it!
[Martine:] Mm.... Nothing in the way of... kitchens going begging, no?
[Mike:] While you're going upstairs get us a... bottle of beer please?... Can't.
[Martine:] Urgh, all the blood off that meat is making me feel sick! You know on that murder squad
[Mike:] Aye.
[Martine:] when it said the bottles had stuck to the blood on the carpet?... Well... no wonder!
[Mike:] How many in there... bottles now? Get some more of this.
[Martine:] I don't, none I don't think. Why, isn't there any left in the cupboard?
[Mike:] No, not the one.
[Martine:] You pest!... Let me just rinse my hands they're horrible!... Oh that looks fine to me.... Here's the onions.... Ah dear!
[Mike:] On a quarter?
[Martine:] Well at least up up to the... top of that rim thing whatever it is.
[Mike:] And then we put two pints in it after don't we?
[Martine:] Where's the tea towel?
[Mike:] Do we? Yeah.
[Martine:] I keep topping it up, we'll have a... oh if you... you don't want a cup of tea if you're having a beer.... That'll do.
[Mike:] Do you put salt in it?
[Martine:] No.... Who told me not to do it, put salt into the water then?
[Mike:] I don't know.
[Martine:] I'm being a good girl!... Well how much of this beer's left?
[Mike:] About forty eight bottles I suppose.
[Martine:] God!... Thought we might have Joanne and... Paul round over the... next couple of weeks or something... before the wedding... pre-wedding, it's only about six weeks you know till their wedding!
[Mike:] I know!
[Martine:] Right, that's cooking, we've got those there... I've got and Oxo, I've got the flour... and that vill [german accent] do!
[Mike:] Excuse me!
[Martine:] I [german accent] vont, I vont, I vont... a carrot!... If you're having a beer I'll some of my wine!... Said to Jan, she said er... today, er... today she hadn't slept much last night... I said God I'll bring you some of that wine back we got from France!
[Mike:] Yeah yeah.
[Martine:] Eleven percent proof, I said so get some of that down you I said you'll sleep for a bloody week!... Mike's been off today, it's been good!... While the... cat's away the mice will play!... On annual leave the rest... right this wants to go in for quarter of an hour doesn't it?
[Mike:] Yep.
[Martine:] And how much does it say on there?... Oh it says thirty minutes on there.... Let it have a good bubble!... Do you think I should put that... rug in?
[Mike:] Yep.
[Martine:] Ah, I think I'll leave it till tomorrow.... Shove it in as soon I get in from work... I think.... spill water where you gone.
[Mike:] Well not one for here!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Mine probably will be []!... Pick my wine up. Ah! Ooh, do you know what Jan in work... she's... she had a phone call she goes oh right yeah, yeah! She come off the phone and she said, bloody hell she said... that one of the rare times I go to the trouble of making myself butties for dinner, cos usually she gets a pasty or something, and I get invited out for dinner, you this Viv... er, a friend of hers, you know the one that was having trouble with all that drainage underneath the
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] house and couldn't claim off the... house insurance? Erm... she was go, on her way to Churk or somewhere and said to Jan... would you... like to meet for lunch first?
[Mike:] And where does she live?
[Martine:] She lives somewhere by the Port, but she just sort of done a detour... to come and have lunch with Jan.
[Mike:] It's a Port.
[Martine:] She does that now and again.... You know she's... got a company car and that and... sort of ri, scoots up and down. Erm, so Jan had these butties, she said oh I made them lovingly last night, tuna, mayonnaise and onion... and er... she said trust Viv to ring today like when I'd made these butties! So she said, will you have them? I said ooh I said... let me buy them off you? No, she said you damn well have them and enjoy them! So I said, ooh I feel guilty and all this, really rubbing it in and everything! So I kept her one... and they were absolutely lovely! But the onion was so strong, although it was only chopped finely... and er, Stevie went past... and said... God what crisps are you eating?... I said, I'm not eating crisps, he said God I can smell cheese and onion or something! I said... says... it's these bloody butties!... So when they'd come back... I said yes, I said you know when you made me butties... for tomorrow... again... she said... yeah?... I said don't put so [LAUGHTER] much onion on! Bloody things are repeating on me []!... She said, oh right! I said... don't put so much onion on me the bloody things are [LAUGHTER] repeating on me []! She said, oh shut up she said!... I suppose I should leave that on full really shouldn't I?... Unless it gets really... riled!... Actually Jan was playing hockey for... Buckley Ladies.
[Mike:] Oh I know the ones, they're getting a or something?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Sad thing!
[Martine:] They've asked to... play for them. They play in kilts did you know!... Like, kilty type
[Mike:] What like pleated little skirt things?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Oh bloody charming that!
[Martine:] Look like a tart!
[Mike:] Well, not in a tartan?
[Martine:] Yeah they are. They're not proper tartan but they're sort of like that.
[Mike:] .
[Martine:] Yeah.... They're playing Mold... Ladies, with a question mark by them cos I don't there's a lady amongst them!... Right, those will do fine!... Just rinse that plate.
[Mike:] loads of talking.
[Martine:] Yeah, it'll be alright.
[Mike:] That's all.
[Martine:] I told Rob about that place... er, I told the others you know about the... the judge m'lord?
[Mike:] aye.
[Martine:] It does rather... I mean there's howling!
[Mike:] It's right though, it was in the paper!
[Martine:] He'd asked which paper it was in.
[Mike:] You were gonna say fax it up normally you should just say... fax it m'lord.... Aye, that's what he might have said like before he could fax it up.... Won't he?
[Martine:] Fax it up m'lord Yes, it does rather doesn't it?... No, fax it up sounds better.
[Mike:] What are you gonna now with that... that football.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] And then I'm gonna go for a shower.
[Martine:] Okay.... Will that be alright on four do you reckon?
[Mike:] Turn it down
[Martine:] Turn it down
[Mike:] a bit cos it might boil dry.... Oh it has! That will do.... I thought you had to put the lid on it for, if you did it for quarter of an hour?
[Martine:] Well you can but I suppose it... all the juices... you know, have a better taste on than if you
[Mike:] Well it makes no odds really anyway! [tv on]
[Martine:] That
[Mike:] Alright.... Ooh, I'm sick of it!... the election had already started couldn't you?
[Martine:] Well there must be something on.
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] What time is it now?
[Mike:] Half five.
[Martine:] Right, this is the choice, News and Weather... followed by the
[Mike:] What's this I'm watching here now?... Channel four, what's on?... Train of Wars.
[Martine:] The Train of Wars.... Repo
[Mike:] It's not started.
[Martine:] Report on one of the most lucrative businesses around... trainers.... Oh why the hell they've put Porridge on so late?... Did you se, the advert with er... Ronnie Barker talking to that other feller and he says oh aye he says we were going through a really bad patch me and the wife... who went to marriage guidance and Ronnie Barker says oh... did it do you any good? And he says oh it did her some good [LAUGHTER] she ran off with him []! Have you seen it?
[Mike:] No.
[Martine:] Oh and er... Chris was saying... erm... that film Malcolm or whatever it was called
[Mike:] Aye!
[Martine:] it was an Australian film that
[Mike:] Yeah I know!
[Martine:] and yeah, well I'd sa, I'm sure I've seen it before he's... he goes and robs a bank with a... remote control car doesn't he? With a gun on it and that.... Right, Porridge is on twenty to ten... L A Law on Granada which I hate!
[Mike:] Ooh I'll carry on watching this and go for a bloody shower!
[Martine:] Red Dwarf.... Load of crap!... Oh I missed Countdown today!... Well I'll tell you what... er, Liz Taylor was on, you know the Oprah Winfrey show that you hate?... Liz Taylor was on it... and she has lost so much weight!... Honest to God she looked so much younger!... Have you seen a picture of her lately?
[Mike:] You said, you watched it last week.
[Martine:] Yeah, honest to God she looked really nice! And sort of, dead down to earth and everything... and it showed you a clip out of National Velvet when she was twelve years old you know... erm... that with the horse in it and that? And er, oh it was amazing!... It's a brilliant film that is!... With er, Mickey Rourke in it isn't it? I think?
[Mike:] Mickey Rourke in what?
[Martine:] Isn't it Mickey Rourke?... Oh not Mickey Rourke!... Not Mickey Rourke, what's his name?... Something O'Rourke?
[Mike:] I don't know!
[Martine:] Not the young lad, wasn't... a little feller!
[Mike:] Marti?
[Martine:] Mickey Rooney!... Mickey Rooney have you heard of him?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] He's a little feller isn't he? That's who I mean, not Mickey Rourke! Who's Mickey Rourke?
[Mike:] He's that erm... American actor.
[Martine:] What's he been in?
[Mike:] I dunno.
[Martine:] I know... he's got like... stubbly
[Mike:] Dunno.
[Martine:] designer stubble type stuff.
[Mike:] He's an arsehole!
[Martine:] Have a shave with a top still o still on a Bic razor, doesn't take the orange top off!... Gosh, isn't that funny Andy Mooney and I was just talking about Mickey Rooney!... Will they be in the Port tomorrow?
[Mike:] Bloody black and white!
[Martine:] It's not! Oh yes it is! Oh!
[Mike:] The trainer isn't.
[Martine:] Just to get the full effect.... Oh I was gonna turn this off
[Mike:] Mm?
[Martine:] Shall I turn this off?
[Mike:] I dunno!
[Martine:] It's not going to tape any telly is it? Not really.
[Merielle:] Is there something wrong?
[Martine:] No I thought she had.
[Merielle:] She said oh no I just rang up for a chat.
[Mike:] Where's tonight?
[Martine:] Yeah?... Oh she's gone in the market.
[Merielle:] But were they doing it were they?
[Martine:] Er, oh I don't know I didn't ask her! No.
[Merielle:] You don't try to
[Martine:] Well that I've got that right, that's the black.
[Merielle:] [sighing] Oh []! I, now the ones... attached, not the ones they don't like, the older couple.
[Martine:] No, the attached ones that aren't...
[Merielle:] But... but something about yeah. What's it about?
[Martine:] I dunno, they're a bit funny, they're a bit don't wanna talk!
[Merielle:] Yeah ta, yeah and Caroline doesn't like those next door
[Martine:] No.
[Merielle:] anyway, the Yorkshire ones.
[Martine:] No.
[Merielle:] Er... I can imagine them being a bit like know all if they are
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] we're having a church and
[Martine:] The older ones is it?
[Merielle:] Oh I don't know!
[speaker001:] City
[Mike:] Yes, I know what you mean, that's right!
[Martine:] What do you mean the one with the taxi?
[Merielle:] Well they're an oldish couple as well.
[Martine:] No.
[Merielle:] Yeah, and they're copying them.... I don't feel er er either that way... unless she thinks we're very better than most. I would really like a camper for that room.
[Mike:] Chairs are too.
[Martine:] That one's almost boiled.... Would you like to stick the last one on?
[Merielle:] Oh yeah I will.
[speaker001:] Other than out.
[Merielle:] Only when I say. [whispering] [].
[Mike:] not there. Yeah.
[Merielle:] They're just the thing!
[Martine:] Oh, nothing too them then?
[Merielle:] Wrote a good letter?
[Mike:] Oh aye!
[speaker001:] .
[Merielle:] And what's he wrote? A nice Yeah, yes and won't
[speaker001:] Well
[Merielle:] help us.
[speaker001:] So you swore blind did you?
[Merielle:] Make a very good.
[speaker001:] I upset such a Er yeah
[Merielle:] I suppose he wouldn't need to comment on the letter if he's.
[speaker001:] tonight.
[Merielle:] Bet he's told him his dad's supposed to do that.
[speaker001:] No way.
[Martine:] Oh that in... a spell of plastic glasses at the.
[Merielle:] Oh no!
[Martine:] Oh!
[speaker001:] So what's new?
[Martine:] Mm.
[Mike:] Well then on Friday night they probably get
[speaker001:] Oh!
[Mike:] a hundred bloody people in there... you haven't got no glasses!... Russell at the bar, in fact, he didn't have plastic glasses, he had no glasses!
[Martine:] I wonder if the is still working?
[Mike:] What glasses?
[Merielle:] With the beat off to
[speaker001:] Ooh but there's
[Martine:] He should pull his finger out and all! It's not, the beer hadn't gone off? But then I suppose... well it's one thirty five for Fosters isn't it?
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] They wouldn't, because it's only gone up a penny like, there's nothing to stop them putting it i, up two penny!
[Merielle:] No....
[Martine:] But, it'd be one thirty seven... so what they'll probably do is
[Mike:] It'll probably go up now.
[Martine:] just leave it
[Mike:] down here
[Martine:] and it'll go up to one forty the next day!... You know the, there's ways to... one thirty five is a nice round figure isn't
[Mike:] It's
[Martine:] it?
[Mike:] it's been in a week er
[Martine:] Yeah, that's true.
[Mike:] You might have to until he gets there.... Mould into the brewery sort of thing.
[Merielle:] that's how it works back, yeah
[Mike:] He's overcharging course
[Merielle:] quite.
[Mike:] he is, so he makes it up.
[speaker001:] Oh yeah!
[Mike:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] He just doesn't necessarily
[Martine:] Yeah.... Yeah.
[Mike:] But I think he's got most of them he's gotta
[Merielle:] Oh yeah!
[Mike:] Uncle Charlie.
[Martine:] Back door.
[speaker001:] Sherry, ah you're a witness!
[Merielle:] I like to change my glasses.
[speaker001:] Oh!
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] , this is
[Martine:] Oh no!
[Merielle:] not be done to cook... because of the sausage and that splashing.
[Martine:] Well what do they taste like?
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Plasticy you should of done that plasticy thing?
[speaker001:] as that?
[Mike:] Oh dear!
[Merielle:] They were like.
[speaker001:] Oh yeah yeah! Jeremy bleeding!
[Martine:] Mine was lovely!
[speaker001:] been to Harrods when we were on holiday.
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] A bit I suppose.
[Martine:] Really girly now int she mum?
[speaker001:] You're telling me! You're the one who was there and that muscly I think you must of gone with him to.
[Martine:] That Indian rug I had, I took down there.
[Merielle:] Right.
[Martine:] Mike's.
[speaker001:] But I can do it for you.
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] I'm sorry, I'm not keen on blue things actually.
[speaker001:] Shut up! Got to lay the er [LAUGHTER] []!
[Merielle:] Small room Martine's just shows the er
[speaker001:] Oh I thought she did?
[Merielle:] He does nothing for me
[speaker001:] Oh no no I
[Merielle:] at all.
[speaker001:] The update with Rodney ain't he got?
[Martine:] Rodney... seen anything of him?
[Merielle:] Well somebody told him something about Texas.
[speaker001:] Have they been?
[Mike:] That was first free visit there.
[Merielle:] I don't know, have they?
[Mike:] It's all in your time, sort of thing.
[speaker001:] Who told you?
[Martine:] Are you gonna tell them about the naked.
[Merielle:] Chocolate here must be.
[Martine:] What chocolate?
[Merielle:] Tell them about.
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] I remember too!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] about that.
[Merielle:] No, not about the drink.
[Martine:] Don't she know?
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] []!
[Mike:] Cow!
[Merielle:] No.
[speaker001:] You've had a good drink this week.
[Merielle:] There's builders in.
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Well you must of been gone mother.
[Merielle:] We've been talking about somebody having affairs.
[speaker001:] Who Martine?
[Merielle:] And I could see that this she were telling me.
[speaker001:] Do you know
[Martine:] Oh!
[Merielle:] Craig just said ooh you didn't add to whatever he said!... Have you been talking to Glen... or is it what Rupert, Rupert told you about Ted, he didn't know!
[speaker001:] He would swim
[Mike:] Ah aye!
[speaker001:] you know... and
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Look at that chest!
[speaker001:] No!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] He'll you had... he'll you have the working for him
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] doing the chapel.
[Mike:] Oh!
[speaker001:] And then
[Merielle:] All what?
[speaker001:] , I remember... dancing... [LAUGHTER] and he could challenge him [].
[Merielle:] Yeah, I thi but he's on the local council.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Oh aye! That is when you admitted No!
[Mike:] Erm... I take it... we're we're going to the shops... and you all
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] And Carole's coming down is she?
[Merielle:] Oh no!
[speaker001:] She's a horrible soul!
[Merielle:] Do you still do... do you...
[speaker001:] I don't want any er
[Merielle:] Politics she told me, I don't want any... politics around.
[speaker001:] Can you turn it off?
[Merielle:] Barred, barred, I barred him!
[Mike:] Ah you're barred, you're barred!... He'll be doing it himself.
[Merielle:] Isn't he silly?... And
[Martine:] Go on tell him mother... about the V sign!
[Merielle:] Not particularly in the shop, I don't think he pu meant, he meant to get... you know cos he's
[Martine:] Why he was the one?
[Mike:] He told me you knew Phillip was there.
[Martine:] What did she do with the? Oh she was the one....
[Merielle:] Oh yeah! I know he's been doing...... to this man as he's gone past so Harry sitting there the... not saying you know.
[Martine:] That's awful!
[Merielle:] Harry said... you don't suppose they know who what they are, yeah!
[Martine:] What do you want to do?
[Merielle:] ... Might be worth waiting for this.
[Mike:] I think I'll stop on a stool, I'd sooner stop on a stool.
[Martine:] Are you sure?
[Mike:] Yeah. Aye!
[Martine:] Your back!
[Mike:] Oh I'm alright.
[Merielle:] I never hear you say you have twinges in your back Mike.
[Mike:] Ah
[Martine:] Oh yeah it's awful!
[speaker001:] Ah!
[speaker006:] Every bloody day of the week I hear!
[Merielle:] yes?
[speaker006:] He does every day of the bloody week he does!
[Martine:] Oh I've left my drink!
[Merielle:] You little rat!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Yeah, so er... Harry sitting there but not saying anything, I don't suppose he even knows what it means!
[Martine:] Ooh! He does, he said!
[Merielle:] ... and he said what else did he say derogatory about them? Stupid he said, meaning the whole lot of the 's... so you can see like they're all on the 's side!
[Martine:] Bit of shock mam, that's stupid!
[Merielle:] Rupert.
[speaker001:] Where's he living now?
[Merielle:] You know who Rupert is don't
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] you? Manchester house man with the bag fat family!... The make, the sheepdog... not ours, but the other men.... decorated the church
[Martine:] I, I don't know him do I!
[Merielle:] and he said... you know, he said they haven't been turning up at that chapel for them, when they've preaching but you didn't crack on they knew anything about that but he just sort of said... said no... you know... remain non-committal. And he said, you know they do alright at ten pound a time they have when they're preach in those chapels, now... I don't know, I've no idea and good luck to them if they do!
[Mike:] Oh aye!
[Merielle:] But erm... whether they have petrol as well, Mr, cos he's coming from really when you think, so I mean... I don't think
[speaker006:] Your mum's as bad as Albert!... Everybody knows about that.... Not, Albert er... God what was the other one from here that used to make the tea in?
[Merielle:] Can't really remember.
[speaker006:] It's that er... oh it's... you know,
[Merielle:] Oh you told them this the other day... when we were there!
[speaker006:] Ah, well you were still like that.
[Martine:] Let's go for another time shall we?
[Merielle:] No!
[speaker006:] No!
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER] I told them
[speaker006:] Thank God for that!
[Merielle:] I nearly got it but she said she knew she was just being awkward!
[Martine:] Well it doesn't... have any bearing on the story
[Merielle:] No but
[Martine:] whether I got a
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] vivid description of him or not does it?
[Merielle:] But we were saying like er... you know, you're silly devil! Cos... as we know him you can't believe it! And... so the very next day Helen told us of a night time that he was gonna stay and early in the morning he come back door with some papers... and I said oh take well it never comes to more than six pound ninety or seven pound fifty but he calls it. Bu But I mean if you get it, a big box from the village shop like no wrapping on
[Martine:] [whispering] [].
[Merielle:] then she same I don't know how long, [whispering] I mean she definitely called... it's []. It's too that actually do some. [whispering] These [] she must take after them! Oh dear, I said well give it some!... And if she... and do you know what? She never told me! I didn't know she had this cold... and she'd had it for ten
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] and she's never even so I knew it must be a bad cold, oh dear I said! Well this upset Anne... it was the day before when it had happened... cos I, I don't think his mum and dad would like to think... that he was causing aggro with that lady. And... whether he started it and what he said, like he was
[Mike:] you don't know the full story, she might have had a bit of a
[Merielle:] Course you don't she's... a little
[Mike:] before
[Merielle:] you don't know, you just don't
[speaker001:] As I know her I can't imagine it.
[Merielle:] But, you never know!
[Martine:] What have they done to her?
[Merielle:] Ask Peggy.
[Mike:] They've had to open a service for them, they're all getting their stamps
[Merielle:] Yes.
[Mike:] or whatever... she might have just said something in
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Mike:] and he's
[Merielle:] Yeah but
[Mike:] and he's gonna blow it up!
[Merielle:] She's but... he's stupid to... should of... waited or
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] You know... he shouldn't stoop to that level!
[speaker001:] But, you know you could just George.
[Merielle:] No, that's alright.
[speaker001:] He said that's alright. That's right he's asked to Peggy and they really are!
[Merielle:] Just imagine George like, as you know George getting a shock, like he's!
[speaker001:] Hadn't got much.
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] And... there we are!
[speaker001:] Mm!
[Merielle:] We'll have to get off. Watch this it'll wind him up.
[Martine:] Pardon?
[Merielle:] Got somebody.
[speaker001:] It's er... the inquest is at er
[Merielle:] Oh dear!
[speaker001:] into allsorts of trouble, they've had a family meeting, he didn't
[Mike:] I I I just hear it when... never freed any more hostages.
[speaker001:] Oh that's that's a terrible thing isn't it?
[Merielle:] Although it's only really because
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] when a new chapel... on that bottom road, where they're doing all the road works... erm... where that is... the a the address is Glanberrys... funny enough! And even where
[speaker001:] Is it?
[Merielle:] Mary lives, on the corner, Mary and Bob
[Harold:] Aye.
[Merielle:] where they were, their proper address is erm... or something... and er...,... But like, she's been ill, they're thinking of sell and having a... and er
[Martine:] She'll not first though, there's a load of them
[Merielle:] Oh they have, yes!
[Martine:] and she fell over.
[Merielle:] Of course they do, and I don't blame them because they really are.... They'd had a, he had to give evidence he said, you know because, I mean he said a few days previously so they, financial problems...... as loaded as the family are nobody come to the rescue! But I was mummy's best
[Mike:] Bloody type your!
[Merielle:] Well yeah! And, but I didn't buy it!
[Mike:] She part of the family
[Merielle:] he was the one who could, he was the one who could afford some!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] And... and people can't get over him!
[speaker001:] Mm.
[Merielle:] He's still kept his... but he's got lived in, all the property he owns he can have the town square, there's nothing! It's all right to the insurers you know! Oh I suppose he's invested it wrongly or whatever I don't know I... I can understand why they didn't come to his rescue, you know, I mean, they've got their livelihood to think about... and he was a bachelor... where as they've got children, or and he's brothers and they're
[speaker001:] Oh!
[Merielle:] all farmers... and all got their own families like er... surely he had a fairly good shop when he.
[Mike:] I know but family's... like blood's thicker than water. Family is still
[Merielle:] Ooh I know that!
[Mike:] family.
[Merielle:] Mike, I agree, I'm the mother!
[Mike:] Mm.
[Merielle:] That's what I said first, I said ooh they'd had a terrible job!
[Mike:] I could just see if she wanted to adopt
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Mike:] me couldn't I?
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Ooh yeah, cos she is on her own.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] You really are mother!
[speaker001:] Oh, I'm feeling old!
[Harold:] No, too ruddy.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker006:] It's just... bloody don't think!
[speaker001:] Ah!
[Merielle:] I said it looks a bit too small, fifty metres. Doesn't it? Cos a lot will be meeting, even in the bar! Mm. All in that corner, all in.
[speaker001:] do you?
[Merielle:] I'll let somebody with a cup of coffee, especially if they've gotta drive.
[Martine:] Well I'm not that sure really.
[Harold:] You... one again?
[Merielle:] Yeah... same
[Mike:] Yeah it's that....
[Martine:] But really
[Merielle:] Depends on how long you've known each other I mean fifteen years and you've only just!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Ooh! So that.
[speaker001:] now though, what did you think of the damn?
[Merielle:] They pay a perfectly.
[Martine:] Aye, listen here!
[Merielle:] Where?
[speaker001:] And you'd just had a plastic cold just the favourite because for our Martine and pull her along in it.
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] I mean,, she said we'd have to give, I said oh I said, we used to, guess what I said? Of course we didn't know them like we used to wear them. So she said... that big girl!... oh I think I'm getting it so I said, but I know you used to talk about it, and I said here we go! and her... I didn't know the others, but Tom said one of the other things is a it's this girl, but I said no she's got a and then she said... and I, and I thought that's a big, I didn't know!
[Merielle:] A little tiny three year old, oh I misunderstood didn't I? Yeah, you said, that's Mrs 's... boy, but she said I thought the two big ones wherever
[speaker001:] she said no, she'll have it... she thought about me,bu but but er... she said it was a funny! Wasn't it? I said what I didn't know!
[Merielle:] She said it was.
[speaker001:] Ooh yes, I said it's very funny on a Friday night! Cos we didn't know whether to clap
[Martine:] But nan says that er, the were, the wasn't
[Mike:] What?
[Martine:] as good. Nan said.
[Mike:] Did you go
[Merielle:] The Friday night they went.
[Martine:] On the, on a Friday. Said it wasn't as good as when we and.
[speaker001:] Yeah, you've just gotta laugh! She said er... that erm
[Mike:] She said to Susan... will it be better than?
[speaker001:] Big fancy does are you?
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] yeah!
[Mike:] Being diplomatic!
[speaker001:] Yeah. Erm, no... what was I saying, she said?
[Martine:] ! What are saying?
[speaker001:] So what was I saying, what was I gonna say?
[Martine:] So?
[Mike:] Breathe in!
[speaker001:] Ooh that was it, yeah! The rear engine... ooh she said the... the key's in Ken's house and we all sat... we didn't know whether to clap or get up and walk out, whether she'd finished or not! Ooh, I said! Well I said, what's the finale? And I... I said, he said ooh yes, the two girls come the alley on their own this is the their birthday cake ma, and I really jumped I said, cos we were right in the front, I thought what the hell's he doing!... but what they were dressed in and she said, so I said, oh yeah well I didn't like it that... I don't know what's wrong cos all the time they did. It was a show Starlight Express?
[Merielle:] Oh!
[speaker001:] She said... so I said, so they did do that? Ooh yeah, she said! I said, I'm having a couple of days I said, oh they're different a... but she didn't know row of them. She said, she said... and then the thing ca came down and this get up and walk out I said go back and get them and get Joe to take them. No, she said it was very poor of them! I I and she'd never said a word! Oh I said, well she had to say something gave the three back, get her flowers and er... chocolates or something and the same for his mum. Oh no, nothing like that she said. She said er... well they came to us in the interval... and Con was just like, I thought she'll call me when Sally has gone, Sally had their address, she'd just you know, she was gonna be in there... and Con said, look, did you look at that dress she said,... whoever makes them! They don't put sea, they don't put hems on them! I could see
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] her shoulder!
[Merielle:] It is a.
[speaker001:] I said to them, well if the woman is, she doesn't fit!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] But she said, look at that I run up with!, well remember that because she wants a dress made... well it's disgraceful! And she used to do them all, I mean, machine hemmings and and finish them off as she calls them, you know, so Con, oh yes she could of. Oh! I said... that will teach her to what for for saying that!
[Mike:] That film is not.
[speaker001:] Well!
[Merielle:] Oh, but... she's only a
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] .
[speaker001:] Yeah, did
[Merielle:] But
[speaker001:] you ever
[Merielle:] well they'll only recent
[Mike:] There was a film on B B C two it was on the Welsh
[Merielle:] I wish, I know
[speaker001:] Is it about the Mafia?
[Mike:] ... black and white.
[speaker001:] Terrible yeah!
[Mike:] And they had a little...
[Martine:] You're talking of one now.... Ridiculous that isn't it? Erm... ma yes er
[Mike:] It's been advertised
[Martine:] that is er
[Mike:] all the week what a good film it is.
[Merielle:] Oh it's a film
[Mike:] ... I went on, we'll watch that we'll erm
[Merielle:] What was it?
[Mike:] A film... you know, six o'clock... film.... I put it, put it on, B B C two... and it was that... Gordon... on the, on the box.
[Merielle:] It is annoying though!
[Martine:] But DEF two was... the DEF, you know that
[Mike:] Typical! You silly git!
[Martine:] What?
[Mike:] Forget it!
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Did what?
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] You didn't bring!
[Merielle:] DEF?
[Mike:] It was D E F, DEF it was like, like the
[Martine:] Well I didn't know about the DEF!
[Mike:] I wouldn't i, oh you just told me you did!
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Who says?
[Merielle:] Come on you blo, you're boring me now! What were you just gonna say now?
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Er... on Friday Mike was talking to Rob... Rob was at dad's so Mike was standing talking to them,... but my ears still flapped.
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] and er, Mike said er, oh yeah, he tried to straight away at it, I'm interviewing this afternoon... well... that was it, my head was straight up! We go two lads there with hardly any work on... me and Jan are alright now we got a third person... Graham... hasn't got much on... and er Ri... Richard's scraping round for work, so of course my ears pricked up like... so I thought, Mike sensed that I'd looked up and he looked at me... and er... so I just looked back... he said God, God had never invented a woman with small ears! I said listen, I said if it's private I said you should be in the office! So Rob's laughing and so... so er... I was going like that then you know... a bit, you know, a bit er, exaggerated going
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] like that with these
[Mike:] Oh you got a, you're not exaggerating a bloody!
[Martine:] So erm
[Mike:] Like the!
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] So anyway, I didn't even hear anymore what he said after that, after he said this like... so I was messing about with Graham
[Mike:] Aye, aye aye oh! Don't bury them like...!
[Merielle:] Shouldn't bat an eyelid....
[Martine:] I was that shocked I couldn't he myself!
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] I'm interviewing, the stupid swine! They've got no idea what so ever! So, anyway, I must have been downstairs doing something and I don't ne sh sh... I didn't know what time this interview... feller was coming... only, that I was downstairs and I heard Tracey say, oh what's his name then Mike? Patrick, and I can't pronounce his surname! So, I thought ah, so she was saying what's he like? What's he like and, he's gotta go past me before he has, ee just messing about so he says... I still didn't give it any more thought... even though he had foreign surname and I thought, yeah... didn't think of it. So er... da then the next thing I was back in the office so Mike come out... would you mind... making a drink? Er, I'll have coffee and er... so will Patrick, whatever he says... I said, oh yeah... so... I said oh... does he want sugar?
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] yes, three sugar, I said... but do you want milk, does he want milk? Yes, he wants milk. So anyway, we started talking about him, they're doing a survey... and er... and suddenly it must of been a quarter of an hour later... remember the... the drinks, I haven't done any drinks! So er... I said right, quick does anybody else want a drink? And I went down, and come back up with this tray of drinks and er... Mike screaming, and I still hadn't seen this feller... I give the other drinks out, well when I went to take his in... well he was as black as two o'clock in the morning wasn't he?
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] He was what?
[Martine:] Black as two o'clock in the morning! So I said to Rob
[Merielle:] With a name like that!
[Martine:] I said to Rob it's a good job he's coming in daylight or we'll [LAUGHTER] []!
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER] What did he say to that []?
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []! He's on the nightshift. So Rob said then er, something about... it's a good job you didn't say how do you want your coffee black or white!
[Merielle:] Said yo you'd have had to send.
[Martine:] But er... so what the hell... position he's gonna be!
[Merielle:] Oh, what did he, did he last?
[Martine:] He really looked young though!
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] About Mike's age I would say. Twenty six
[Merielle:] Twenty three.
[Martine:] think he had as a bouncer or something.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] I said he was quite young looking, about Mike's age!
[Mike:] Oh, I thought you said not young!
[Martine:] No, I said he looked quite, about Mike's age!
[Merielle:] [sighing] Oh []!
[Martine:] But... you know, he was built like
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] with this big bum.
[Harold:] More like a! [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] But you have to he looked real smart, you know?
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] And er, I walked, I said oh hello... er, cos Mike had just gone, he'd gone... and er, I said oh one coffee there for you, he said thanks very much it's most generous of you.
[Merielle:] Ah!
[Martine:] I take it
[Mike:] Did he have big lips?
[Martine:] know what they're playing at!
[Merielle:] Mm.
[Mike:] Did he?
[Harold:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Oh!
[speaker001:] Well just sit!
[Martine:] But erm
[Mike:] I'm used to... taking... like his lips are sticking to the window!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] That's a good one! Oh!
[Martine:] Erm
[Merielle:] He er
[Martine:] yeah but, I don't think Mike's that er, I mean I di, but he does Manpower forecasts every year.
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Martine:] Er... and he comes up with... x equals y z and all the rest of it! And we're still really. The man's a complete nerd! Never mind.
[Merielle:] So you got what you wanted didn't you?
[Martine:] No.
[Mike:] Did you see that programme last night?
[Harold:] Aye, what?
[Mike:] B B C two... about the... stolen cars.
[Harold:] No.
[Mike:] Oh! Bloody hell, the things they get up to! You know if you buy a car that's been, like... it's been pinched or something like that?
[speaker001:] But you buy it in innocence.
[Mike:] Yeah, buy it in innocence... and if it's been robbed... the police confiscate off you... you get a piece of paper saying that they've got it, and that's it you've... you've got nothing!
[Harold:] Go on!
[Mike:] And the... insurers
[Martine:] Well that's what happened to
[Mike:] don't have anything to do with it!
[Martine:] Siobhan's dad!
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] Yeah, was the rest they'd have to pay or
[Martine:] It was, he's still paying it off now for his car!
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] Mm. But er they were on about that they ship them abroad... and th, they were interviewing a lad in London... he said oh, he used to get up in the morning... and er... go down to the... phone box... and phone this contact they know... and he'd tell you what cars you wanted pinching this day... and they pinch them to order! Oh yeah...... how many would you say you'd pinched in year? He said, well, he said... there was two of us he said working together... and er, I'd be look out for my mate or he'd be look out for me, he says erm... ooh, between five and six hundred a year, he said... they pinch!
[Merielle:] Ooh!
[Harold:] Ooh!
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] I said and they.
[Martine:] Cos easily it was a co couple a day!
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] What said, you know... how, how did you get into them? He said, well let's put it this way he said... I can get into a Ford and start it without breaking any windows
[Merielle:] He can do?
[Mike:] yeah... quicker... than I can with a key! He didn't say what he did
[Merielle:] Oh no!
[Mike:] but he said, a Ford he said, I can break into a Ford without breaking any windows and start the ignition
[Martine:] And quicker than someone
[Mike:] quicker than anybody with a key!
[Merielle:] Good God!
[Mike:] But he was a... a reformed now he was... helping other people... ge... get away from pinching cars like in a... they have like
[Martine:] Rehabilitation.
[Mike:] you know, rehabilitation centres they.... He said, what we used to do he said
[Merielle:] Did you see his face on that?
[Mike:] Oh aye!
[Merielle:] Oh yeah, he wasn't
[Martine:] payed for his crimes and he was
[Mike:] and they said er
[Merielle:] How old did he look now?
[Mike:] He wasn't old was he?
[Martine:] No.
[Mike:] Twenty four, twenty five. Sometimes, he said we used to... take them motorway he said to... junction whatever at Dover... and they'd be somebody waiting there with the money... give us the car... we'd go back to London... and they'd just take it up the.
[Merielle:] Well in the Kent, where the is.
[Mike:] Ah!
[Merielle:] Where you have to have a
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] that little village... where Nicola went to the wedding... gypsies involved in that ring.
[Mike:] Up there?
[Merielle:] The gypsy camp... they've
[Mike:] Aye.
[Merielle:] arrested six of them all... they found all bits and bobs off hundreds and hundreds and thousands of pounds worth of cars, and four wheel drives they specialise in... and off to the continent with it.
[Mike:] Yeah it's all organised, it's not like... like the gypo's will be doing like this
[Merielle:] Oh yes! Yeah.
[Mike:] this is all organised bloody down to!
[Merielle:] Oh yes, all yeah!
[Martine:] They handled something something like... a thousand pounds worth of cars that
[Mike:] They did.
[Martine:] place where they... they were like getting er... ones that had been smashed up, and doing and they said that... the people that are doing it... are top people! You know, they could get a really good job.
[Mike:] They'd have made a fortune! Not without them garages!
[Martine:] Like, like panel beaters and
[Mike:] Doing it... make a... make a fortune doing it...
[Martine:] Legally.
[Mike:] legally. He said they're doing this as well.
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] ... like you got your... your chassis number and engine number and everything like that
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] and you've a number inside the car as well on the... bottom of the car... on the floor... so er... some of them... no, they don't so some of them take the mickey of them and putting different plates on... of a written off car from a scrap yard... so you can have like a... brand new Sierra smashed up in a scrap yard... and you buy it for like... a thousand pound... and you this Sierra... with a brand new Sierra, so you change all the plates over... and do all this on the car... and then you got a bloody Sierra worth about... nine or ten thousand pound
[Merielle:] Ah dear!
[Mike:] brand new!
[Merielle:] Sure!
[Mike:] And you've paid a thousand pound for it, so he's making all this profit all the time!
[Merielle:] Dear!
[Mike:] And the... the police were just showing, you know the ways that they do it sort of thing. Some of them
[Merielle:] Oh yes!
[Mike:] just get the plate... and er... like stick it over with a bit of er... filler or something like that... and stick it over the top! And, people are none the wiser they, if they can see it
[Martine:] Oh!
[Mike:] they go aye, that's alright, but the only way you can tell... you'd feel a jagged edge... where they... put this plate.
[Martine:] On the underneath or something.
[Mike:] Or some of them they cut the whole floor out and weld a new... take the floor old car... and weld it back in again.
[Merielle:] Good
[Mike:] He said, and the police said
[Merielle:] !
[Mike:] as quick as we find a way, to catch them they think of something else
[Merielle:] Yeah!
[Mike:] they bloody do it all the time!
[Merielle:] Oh they do! Yeah!
[Martine:] And then it was saying about the ones where they take the front end of a car and... joi, match it to the stolen
[Merielle:] Joining it, yeah!
[Martine:] one, like the one that
[Mike:] Yeah. Fell apart in Manchester. There was one in Manchester wasn't there? The Renault five turbo... going down the road and had a crash and it split in two didn't it?
[Merielle:] That's it.
[Mike:] And they all bloody died!
[Merielle:] Remember you telling us that.
[Mike:] And er... said about it's a regular... and er... they're doing it proper, they're putting them on jigs... so they're welding them and they're out of line and all sorts!
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] And they were interviewing this feller, he said, oh we went for a day out he said and I'd just bought this car... and I was... really made up with it he said
[Merielle:] He wasn't a crook this man?
[Martine:] He paid
[Mike:] Oh no!
[Martine:] two and a half thousand for this Fiesta
[Mike:] He paid two and a thousand for this car, whatever it was! I was real... made up! And he's travelling along the road and the next thing there's such a bang and it wouldn't go any further! Bloody! So he got out... and he looked underneath and the drive shaft had fell off... so... he got it towed back to the garage... wherever this garage was... and they had a look at it and all the head were loose... you could waggle them about! And then he thought, this is queer so he picked the bonnet... took the bonnet up like that... and all the bloody front of the car had come loose... and all all the welding
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] had co come loose! Bloody amazing it was! So he said, you know... you can't claim anything off the insurers or anything, so that's all his money
[Merielle:] No,.
[Mike:] straight up the bloody road! And er... the police, that was in Kent somewhere, the police weren't it? Cos only so many police forces have got... a certain group of men... on the... you know, sorting all the cars out... and... you can take your car there
[Merielle:] life
[Mike:] er
[Merielle:] being like
[Mike:] you've just bought a car or you've got a car... you can take it and the police look over it... to see if it's alright.
[Martine:] It's a bit late when you've bought it though!
[Mike:] If it's been re-registered sort of thing, so... there's a big line in cars... all. And the police engineers go round with his mate and he's looking at the... engine numbers... and the chassis numbers and all those bloody numbers inside the car... and he's looking like and er... the interviewer said... oh and this woman's in for a shock! She's gonna find out that the car is stolen!
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] So... she comes back and she had an Orion... erm... she sa, she said er oh well erm... I got some bad news for you, said er... your Orion's two cars been welded together! Oh no, she said you're kidding aren't you? No, no, it's right I said erm... the back end is... such and such a registration Ford Orion... but the front end's off a Ford Escort!
[Merielle:] Ooh hoo hoo
[Mike:] And you know... she'd but
[Martine:] They're not even the same car?
[Mike:] She'd lose the bloody car then, she'd lost everything!
[Merielle:] Ooh gosh!
[Mike:] Bloody... hot it were!
[Merielle:] And what did it look like?
[Mike:] Oh it, it was smart it was nice!
[Merielle:] Yeah, what have they, those people who are waiting for the police to check it out, the is it?
[Mike:] No they haven't, they'd been bought a car... that had been... like, that it sort of been written off and rebuilt or... something like that.
[Merielle:] Yeah. They knew that had been when
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] they bought the car? So they thought they'd have it checked out?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] Oh I wouldn't buy a car like that, no
[Mike:] The D V L C, if you have a written off
[Merielle:] would you?
[Mike:] they'll re-register it as long as you can prove the year of the car, they register it
[Merielle:] Oh, I see!
[Mike:] as that year. But, the registrations... if they can't prove it properly
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] you get a Q plate on it... questionable registration.
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] So... the D V L C don't look into it too deep... they just send
[Merielle:] No!
[Mike:] an engineer have a look round, oh it looks alright.
[Martine:] You wouldn't want one that had been in a smash anyway, it could
[Merielle:] Yes!
[Martine:] be false....
[Merielle:] But you some people who you see will take that gamble
[Mike:] And then there was an... inspector from the
[Harold:] Not always, not always impressed but he was er...
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Harold:] you know, I know you're saying.
[Merielle:] Oh, I play heck about them I
[Harold:] But
[Merielle:] know!
[Harold:] erm... I remember when I... when we had the smash in Liverpool with the... Zepher
[Merielle:] The old Zepher now, yeah
[Harold:] and er... I went there and they give me an estimate... and erm... when it went in... the contacts she does was er... no, it's it's more than we thought... because the chassis's twisted or
[Mike:] Mm.
[Harold:] something... so, anyway... I went there... I can't remember all the details but
[Merielle:] No.
[Harold:] I I went there for something... and my car... ooh I think it was and we had, you know
[Merielle:] Fair play, yeah.
[Harold:] we went to town If I'd
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Harold:] if it, if if I'd have taken it to er... body repair
[Merielle:] Well they couldn't of done that cos they hadn't
[Mike:] Oh no!
[Merielle:] got the
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] equipment and all that had they?
[Harold:] and if he could find the he wouldn't of!
[Martine:] Kirby's is the?
[Mike:] So you'd have been running?
[Harold:] Aye.
[Merielle:] Yeah.... It's an old family firm
[Mike:] Oh aye!
[Merielle:] they're all out of it now.
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] What happened in this smash up he was talking about?
[Merielle:] I was pregnant with Nicola, ooh it wasn't a smash as such, you know, it wasn't serious thing.... I was pregnant with Nicola... and it was that we wanted to change... the car, what did we have, a Metropole at the
[Harold:] No, we'd just bought it.
[Merielle:] yes, I know that, but I'm just explaining how we come to be in Liverpool!
[Harold:] Yeah. We'd go we been to.
[Merielle:] We'd gone back for something for them to do something to it, it is the Metropolitan.
[Harold:] Oh yeah, it's the Metropole, for this... er... Zephyr.
[Merielle:] this white Zephyr, and we got it from Liverpool, Wayne's Drive in Liverpool, a big garage.
[Harold:] And, we had it the one with the gear box.
[Merielle:] Yeah. There's a big Ford dealer in Liverpool.
[Harold:] They would... said what they would do... well they did everything while we were there
[Merielle:] Yes.
[Harold:] and said... and they come back
[Merielle:] And he said
[Harold:] from Liverpool
[Merielle:] wait a bit, and they said... so, they looked at it... and said we'd have to take it back in a few days time for them to do, they couldn't do it there and then. And, when we were driving back towards the tunnel, do you know Upper Parliament Street? We were
[Martine:] No.
[Merielle:] you go right through the tunnel and this Queen's Drive was... ooh, about a mile or two out of Liverpool... so to get back to the tunnel you come down Upper Parliament Street, I'll never forget to my dying day, and it was down hill... and these traffic lights down the bottom should of been... should of been, but they weren't operating, they were digging th
[Harold:] they were digging the road
[Merielle:] ooh, they weren't there alright, I thought they were just out of order cos it was road repairs... and a policeman was supposed to be on duty... because it was this great big wide Upper Parliament Street, and going across it, if I look at Liverpool
[Martine:] Was there, did you do Upper Parliament Street?
[Merielle:] Mm.
[Martine:] If you say it again I told you!
[Merielle:] . I don't know what the road that goes across it was, but another great big wide road running across it
[Martine:] Lower Parliament Street maybe?
[Merielle:] across it, Lower Parliament Street was the other side of the crossroads!
[Martine:] Was it?
[Merielle:] And, I was prattling on to your dad, saying... when we claimed it back... when we claimed it back... we'll... bring it early but
[Harold:] What you want?
[Merielle:] Oh, he's so ignorant! I don't know want anything!
[Harold:] Well I've heard this story! I was there when it happened!
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] they wanted it early, I don't want anything!
[Harold:] Do you want crisps?
[Merielle:] Nothing!
[Harold:] Nothing? Ooh, okay!
[Martine:] I'll have a... wine thanks?
[Harold:] And do you want
[Martine:] Medium white wine.
[Harold:] crisps?
[Martine:] Could I have some cheese and onion please?
[Mike:] Pint of Stella please?
[speaker001:] Yeah? Yeah?
[Mike:] A pint of Stella?
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Harold:] No crisps?
[Martine:] you were going on about that
[Merielle:] they said
[Martine:] you're bringing back that car.
[Merielle:] when we send it back in a few days fitting, this job I says we'll want it early in the morning and you can have it in the afternoon, but we were going to spend the day in Liverpool, but you're dad said, I'm not being round all those shops all day, so I said ooh no! And it was me, and I was due to have Nicola the next month, at the beginning of May that the... and I said no, I said! But what we'll do is take it there early in the morning, we'll get he back the bus back to Liverpool, we'll go to the pier head and we'll go on the ferry to New Brighton and there was me prattling all on at him... and the next thing... er, you di, we didn't know... that, we thought we were on the main right of way street... and... your dad started to go across... and I looked, your dad was driving, I was sitting beside him and coming towards us along this other road, which had the right of way but we didn't know was a little black mini, I was a ergh, ergh oh Harry, Harry! Bashed your dad's side, the wing and we could see a policeman putting, it was pouring with rain and he was putting his er, big mac on and he should of been directing the traffic, he told us that, he come over to us and he was only young like... and he said, oh I'd just left, I was on duty here I'd just left to go and put my mac on! Well that was no consolation to us was it! So we swapped addresses with er, can't remember, it was a man... middle-aged sort of man... and er... he then said ooh, well he said I... still think that we were in the right in as much as if that policeman was supposed to have been directing traffic blah blah blah blah blah! So, because we were in the A A he said you could have a ba, and we had to go to court, we had a summons for court, for careless driving, your dad... and your dad said oh... so A A said you could have barrister, or our insurers said we could have a barrister... our insurers, not the one with we're with now Norman, he was to do all the, said we could have this barrister... and it was at Liverpool Crown Court... and, it wasn't till a, and I was alright we we just got a bit of a shock, you know, we could drive the home it was the wing and what not. But, I can hear that bang now, you never forget a noise like that! But, this was just a bang, sort of knocked
[Mike:] Ah.
[Merielle:] it of... the chap, he reckoned. So, er Nicola was born and er... the court... either came up just before your dad had the... after Nicola was born, when she was a month old. Now he might remember... I think the court come... just before... the after Nicola, and the car was going to... because I know we had to go on the train to Liverpool... and er, I'd gotta give evidence as well, they made such a... palaver! And, when we were in the... court... sitting in the... corridor waiting, ooh, some horrible types there even then! This policeman was having to give evidence and he'd come to talk, oh I see you've had the baby, cos he was talking to me it had happened... I said, oh what did you have blah blah blah, blah blah blah, but the little devil went in the witness box, he... denied about not being there on duty about... putting his mac on, ooh and he'd never clapped eyes on barrister... or a solicitor and they said he'll meet you before the case, so we had to go extra early meet this barrister... and he never came and so they took us in this little room in all his wig and his gown, we got, oh what happened? What happened? Yeah, and we explained and said that I was pregnant at the time and we said about the policeman, oh no trouble! No trouble! But, the lot, you're dad still got fined! I took, it [LAUGHTER] was nine pound [] we thought, lot of money in those days for careless driving!
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] Yeah. So we never forgot that.
[Martine:] Mm.
[Mike:] Yeah, I I
[Harold:] on the old.
[Merielle:] So, needless to say I don't like them, but I'll show you on the A to Z where Upper Parliament Street is.
[Martine:] Mum.
[Mike:] Not Upper Parliament
[Merielle:] And we will see.
[Mike:] ?
[Harold:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] You're being
[Martine:] Excuse me!
[Merielle:] funny are now? Well don't worry.
[Martine:] actually, but I said I wasn't really interested, yeah.
[Merielle:] I'm gonna look, I doubt that cos I want to know
[Martine:] I've seen it on the map, I know!
[Merielle:] where the other one is.
[Martine:] Er
[Merielle:] It's not
[Martine:] How did T V work go?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] Well, he'll never know really will he?
[Harold:] No,
[Mike:] Don't know really.
[Martine:] What is it?
[Merielle:] We didn't force it, said they'll
[Mike:] How many time
[Merielle:] probably let you know. No.
[Martine:] Mm.
[Mike:] The only time I remember her, really was in. Yeah. Pushing him!
[Martine:] Playing about.
[Mike:] got stuck
[Merielle:] A man got stuck
[Mike:] In this car
[Martine:] Oh!
[Merielle:] in the.
[Harold:] Shall I make a move, or shall we
[Mike:] No hang about! We're gonna come back.
[Merielle:] Yeah. I always say it was that because they say that
[Mike:] they blame
[Merielle:] if can go away... but then it can just strike you!
[Martine:] Mm.
[Merielle:] And then it gets in with a vengeance, when Nicola was a month old didn't it?
[Harold:] Yeah.
[Martine:] So how long were you layed in?
[Merielle:] And he was just
[Martine:] Were you in hospital for all
[Merielle:] For a month.
[Martine:] that time?
[Merielle:] No. I told... you had to lie on a board
[Mike:] Like?
[Merielle:] Yeah. You had to lie on a board, his doctor said, oh it's lumbago... which, all the signs are the same, where that pain goes all down your leg effecting the or mia, sciatica... and have to lie on a board, and we were in the prefab then... and you actually er... not, like some people put the board... are you interested?
[Martine:] Yes.
[Merielle:] , and you're looking everywhere!
[Martine:] some people put the board under the mattress and dad had it on top!
[Merielle:] Well your dad had it on top! Didn't used to really, ooh it must of been murder for him when you think! I mean,yo, he even decided to grow a beard, for one thing... he couldn't be bothered shaving, did you remember? [LAUGHTER] And you had that []!
[Mike:] No, beard will have to go!
[Merielle:] Yes. I know he said he looked
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] really lovely with it! It was very dark indeed
[Martine:] I
[Merielle:] I must say.
[Martine:] I think we've got a picture?
[Merielle:] No. Did you ever know that? On the line, there's them panel people on there? And that's when I had the accident on the.
[Mike:] , I was gonna tell
[Merielle:] they had to leave him there... in hospital.
[Harold:] Have you li... I was listening to the... wireless this afternoon
[Merielle:] Mhm.
[Harold:] and it was on about this erm... place in France..., isn't that where one of them lived?
[Martine:] No, it was nearby there wasn't it?
[Mike:] There was big football team from Saletiendi
[Martine:] So
[Harold:] Etien no... wouldn't, doesn't
[Martine:] It was near to er where Gigi was I think.
[Harold:] Oh the one
[Merielle:] No, the other one
[Harold:] wouldn't of thought
[Merielle:] I thought, near
[Harold:] I thought it was
[Merielle:] Anyes.
[Martine:] Yeah, could of been if there'd been any... Romans... in Italy. I know.
[Mike:] Should of got the extra ladder.
[Merielle:] Even er, Lanyon isn't on is it?
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Harold:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Well it's not that much detail is it?
[Merielle:] No. Where was that place they took you on er
[Mike:] We could do with a lot more
[Martine:] Ponsonshow
[Merielle:] Brest, is Brest on? Gigi took you to Brest.
[Martine:] Yeah I know.
[Merielle:] There you are.
[Mike:] Christ, so what, I can't think of it!
[speaker006:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Primaletta
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Oh dear!... Jan's mum won er... midi hi-fi system!
[Merielle:] Oh, when?
[Martine:] In a raffle thing the other night. Alan, Jan's friend was singing... and so was her brother.
[Merielle:] Oh, I didn't know they did other things! Is he good at that?
[Martine:] Yeah, I think he's got a good voice yeah.
[Merielle:] Yeah, do they sing together or not?
[Martine:] No.
[Merielle:] So where was it, a club or... pub?
[Martine:] The White Swan in Ellesmere Port, she'd asked me
[Merielle:] Oh yes.
[Martine:] to go. You want, you know, so I definitely wanted to go, we were very
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] welcome and, I was tempted to go, I mean... Mike wasn't all that bothered.
[Merielle:] was he? Well you've been to a singing one.
[Martine:] Yeah, Thursday nights... and, it wasn't that local, it's a horrible man anyway!
[Mike:] Who's a horrible man?
[Merielle:] Yeah! Cor!
[Mike:] Once I get in from work, I'm knackered!
[Merielle:] Unless you see one... local or
[Mike:] If it had been a summer night
[Merielle:] That's it, let's stay.
[Mike:] could of been tempted.
[Merielle:] Be different, you don't mind a little run do
[Mike:] Well.
[Merielle:] you?
[Mike:] That was
[Merielle:] No, I know you've gotta up
[Mike:] just a bad thing to do innit?
[Merielle:] early, like the next morning. No,.
[Martine:] [yawn] So er... we didn't bother []! And er, she was saying...! Yeah!
[Merielle:] They must have sold a lot of tickets. Was it for a charity?
[Martine:] Yes, I think so.
[Merielle:] Was her brother to do it, Jan, he does a bit of really.
[Martine:] Yeah, he does a lot of charity work.
[Merielle:] Oh, yes totally.
[Martine:] Yeah, good luck to them! Anyway, they had a good time out.
[Merielle:] Did they?
[Martine:] And anyway, you'd come hadn't you? Not that we knew you were coming but
[Merielle:] Oh yeah!
[Martine:] it was Thursday night you'd come.
[Merielle:] That's it, yeah. But anyway erm... erm... Laura, isn't it,?
[Mike:] No, he's a bit rough!
[Merielle:] Oh ho
[Mike:] Cos he!
[Merielle:] no, and any case I just remembered Nicola's was only hundred and sixty.
[Martine:] Mm.
[Merielle:] So... but it was, oh it was nice drive
[Mike:] Oh aye!
[Merielle:] where can you get one, fifty or sixty surely not?
[Mike:] Well, no you can, aye!
[Merielle:] You?
[Mike:] Yeah!
[Martine:] May not be a very good make but
[Merielle:] No.
[Mike:] Oh, you can buy a cheap ones with a just a tape on without the
[Merielle:] Can you?
[Martine:] Record
[Mike:] and record player
[Martine:] Don't have to have a C D on them
[Merielle:] Anyway, she said
[Martine:] to be a midi thingey
[Merielle:] Oh no! Well Nicola's
[Martine:] I don't know what it had on it.
[Merielle:] hasn't got the C D anyway.
[Martine:] Our Jan's getting fought over at the moment.
[Merielle:] Why, was that Birkenhead thing that she'd had the nark with Mike was it spontaneous?
[Martine:] I don't know.
[Merielle:] Oh you never did ask her.
[Mike:] Ooh aye, what them bloody cars
[Merielle:] Well what somebody there who's fighting over her
[Mike:] they were in er
[Merielle:] then, no?
[Martine:] No.
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] No, I don't know what that
[Mike:] Is it Southern Spain
[Martine:] connection is.
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] the Spanish police and er
[Martine:] I thought she'd and just wasn't telling me but anyway
[Mike:] insurance investigators in Britain.
[Merielle:] Mm.
[Martine:] she didn't.
[Merielle:] Serve you right, you should
[Mike:] pa
[Merielle:] have asked her there and then!
[Mike:] is a like
[Merielle:] Anyway, go on, what's happened?
[Mike:] on the main road
[Merielle:] Oh she'd got her
[Mike:] and anything with a foreign number plate they were
[Martine:] Yeah
[Mike:] pulling over
[Martine:] she had a bit of fling
[Mike:] especially the British ones
[Martine:] with this woman Sandra, she
[Mike:] and erm
[Merielle:] Has Sandra got a child?
[Mike:] They were just stopping
[Martine:] No.
[Mike:] them and just
[Merielle:] Oh.
[Mike:] taking the details chassis numbers and engine numbers and everything
[Martine:] Oh somebody with that parking on the drive
[Mike:] and er
[Merielle:] she is the one like
[Mike:] insurance etcetera... and i, investigator whatever he was!
[Martine:] Half that's the food shop
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] And he's calling the D V L C in Swansea
[Martine:] Oh very few.
[Mike:] they normally just
[Merielle:] no, remember like that
[Mike:] and this woman was in her
[Merielle:] as far it goes.
[Mike:] a little O Opel
[Martine:] No, she met on Thursday
[Mike:] whatever it was.
[Martine:] for long.
[Merielle:] Mm.
[Mike:] Little maroon Opel, B registration
[Martine:] she's... older than Jan I think
[Mike:] So I took all the
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] the particulars, he'd get on his mobile phone
[Martine:] I am actually.
[Merielle:] But you've never met her?
[Mike:] and erm
[Martine:] No.
[Mike:] oh it was er
[Martine:] and erm and she used to lived in, she doesn't wanna come via it.
[Mike:] whatever it is, oh yes that's er
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] He goes back and he says I've got some very bad news for you
[Martine:] and I can't remember what, the last time we were seeing each other it
[Mike:] Oh!
[Martine:] all ended in tears, and I can't remember why
[Mike:] well, this Opel isn't an Opel! Well what is it?
[Martine:] But erm... she did the dirty on Jan!
[Mike:] It's a Vauxhall Nova.
[Merielle:] Was she ever re-married
[Mike:] You're kidding?
[Merielle:] or you don't?
[Mike:] No er
[Martine:] I don't know.
[Mike:] it's a silver Vauxhall Nova.
[Martine:] But anyway I've and ten o'clock Jan was.
[Mike:] they bloody changed it all about so that the,O, little Opel, was a Vauxhall Nova!
[Martine:] she has seen her, Sandra once in the club
[Mike:] Erm, so what happens now?
[Merielle:] I think.
[Mike:] Oh erm
[Merielle:] Yes.
[Mike:] the police are typing
[Merielle:] Where is it?
[Mike:] a thing up they'll have to confiscate the car!
[Martine:] so her results.
[Mike:] Been
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] stolen!
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] And
[Merielle:] For Mick, for Mick as well.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] And they had that and a
[Martine:] And Sandra has gone live with Jackie.
[Mike:] Toyota Celica, black
[Harold:] Were they on holiday?
[Mike:] No, she was living out there. she had a
[Harold:] Oh I see!
[Mike:] House out there.
[Martine:] just bumped into each other
[Mike:] So it's
[Martine:] by purpose
[Mike:] she had
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] and went to with her pal
[Mike:] and er
[Martine:] he was gonna... thump her.
[Mike:] it was just... they had a big warehouse just full of bloody cars that had been confiscated!
[Martine:] [yawn] I think Jan wants to []
[Mike:] There's was thousands of cars, cars that were stuck in there.
[Martine:] and she was like fighting!
[Mike:] Some little cars... there was Range Rovers
[Martine:] running round to the
[Harold:] Was
[Mike:] everything!
[Martine:] when Sandra's mum got
[Harold:] When they've got them
[Martine:] and so oh you really rocked the boat
[Harold:] What do they do with them?
[Martine:] she said and, I didn't realise
[Mike:] They didn't say, they didn't go into it.
[Harold:] Well sell them.
[Mike:] Aye.
[Martine:] you know like, I love you
[Harold:] You know they don't sell do they?
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Harold:] So the...
[Martine:] Erm, she just knew
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] she just bought it somewhere and er
[Mike:] They can't claim money for these. That woman I said about that had the
[Martine:] and er
[Mike:] she was in an Orion but the front end of it was a... Escort
[Martine:] she said I've got my life sorted out, settled into my new home
[Mike:] the escort that it be
[Martine:] and er
[Mike:] it belonged to the i, the numbers
[Martine:] I wanna see you all this. Can you meet me on Monday
[Mike:] So the chassis number engine number... for this Escort and they
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] chased the feller and he phoned him up... and he said ooh my
[Martine:] Oh well
[Mike:] car's still parked on the drive outside!
[Martine:] I think Jan
[Mike:] So they were investigating him then! Cos his car was still in the... drive outside.
[Martine:] All this.
[Mike:] Well bloody
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] But they do it the other way as well.
[Merielle:] She's gonna lease it int she?
[Martine:] Oh yeah.
[Merielle:] [yawn] You'll give it in
[Mike:] It
[Merielle:] the car.
[Martine:] Oh, I said well I don't know.
[Mike:] He pinched a car in Italy... this is a Ferrari
[Martine:] she said er
[Mike:] Testarossa
[Martine:] can we have wo, can I word
[Mike:] it was worth
[Martine:] Mr
[Mike:] hundred thousand pound in Britain it was
[Martine:] so I knew it'd be something like that
[Mike:] it had been shaped
[Martine:] she said
[Mike:] And they paid
[Merielle:] up to them?
[Martine:] No, so she told me that
[Mike:] it was on a car park at Heathrow Airport
[Martine:] So erm
[Merielle:] Why, do you think she wanted to make a point of she might have at work for
[Mike:] and it had all the paperwork with it, it was gonna be shipped to Singapore.
[Merielle:] these?
[Martine:] Because she didn't want go she didn't know what hell
[Mike:] Well the same car in Singapore was worth two hundred thousand pound
[Merielle:] Ah!
[Martine:] to do and this Sandra was gonna ring in the afternoon, well she wanted to
[Mike:] cos there's such a long waiting list,tha that's the value of it out there
[Martine:] get her out it makes you laugh!
[Mike:] so they they pinched it and got a buyer out there!
[Martine:] And she's gotta I've said to her, listen my opinion may be biased.
[Mike:] and they caught him, you know, mid-way type of thing.
[Martine:] I don't
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] think I'm being
[Mike:] So th
[Martine:] much help, she says oh no, you are you are!
[Merielle:] Yeah. I dunno.
[Martine:] And I'd like to you to hear your side of
[Merielle:] Ye ye yeah.
[Martine:] things... so erm, I knew it was something, anyway so she said all this, I said right well... I said I'll tell you now I said you know... I'm biased... because
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] I said I can't... I don't like so
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] and erm... she said, oh no I realise that. I said, well the important thing is Jan if you are like this... you obviously didn't like, there's no way I'm going to meet her... you're obviously thinking it over I said so the first thing you've gotta do is turn up on Monday and meet her... cos erm, then well you'll know. And erm... I said, you say to me things like you don't wanna be alone by yourself
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] and sometimes
[Merielle:] Yeah! Course, yeah!
[Martine:] and er... I said you've al... also told me that Sue said there's no way she's going out with him on the... at forty... I said that's only two years away.
[Merielle:] Oh, she said that oh it doesn't matter!
[Martine:] I said I don't believe that!
[Merielle:] No, I know but she said it er
[Martine:] but I mean to even think of it, you know, is not very nice!
[Merielle:] Shows how wicked she
[Martine:] Erm
[Merielle:] is.
[Martine:] I said you know what she's been like with this young girl at college you thought
[Merielle:] Yes!
[Martine:] there was something going on, whether or not there was, I don't know... I said she couldn't in a couple of years time, she said I dunno, she says she's only twenty six
[Merielle:] Oh is she?
[Martine:] said it wouldn't make any difference to her... you know... whether
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] it was a relationship with a feller! She might wanna... go off and do her own thing... so erm... I said you just think on, I said, this woman... has got her own house and everything, she's got
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] no hassle... like
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] er... like Sue's family. Jan can't go round there
[Merielle:] so
[Martine:] now and she has to park down the road!
[speaker006:] [LAUGHTER] Ridiculous my watch []!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] I don't know what they're showing []! Two hairs past a freckle we used to say in work... er, school! Can I have a swine please?
[Mike:] Yeah. Do you wanna... lager... bitter
[Merielle:] No
[Mike:] lemon?
[Merielle:] nothing at all thank you Michael.
[Harold:] Put a... drop of lemonade in er... bitter please?
[Mike:] Right. What crisps do you want?
[Martine:] Erm, I'll have two bags of crisps and a bag of nuts please? [LAUGHTER]... No, thank you I'll have my supper when I get home. Five loads of bacon butties. So, I said this I said erm... I said... oh Jan says something all I'm... I've known what Sandra can be like, you know... erm... you know well I was with her for three
[Merielle:] I don't think she means that.
[Martine:] weeks.
[Merielle:] Yes.
[Martine:] Well, because she did the dirty on her in Lancaster, I can't remember what it was.
[Merielle:] Yeah, oh I see what she's means, yeah. No but er
[speaker006:] Got plenty of stick.
[Merielle:] Did you those girls
[Martine:] Oh!
[Merielle:] sending their mail... to erm... Body Shop... er, they'd been grooming their nails because they've heard that the Body shops, in the paper the other day... erm... are paying ten pounds per nail if your nail's an inch long, you know, so you cut this talon off if it's an inch long... and they had loads and loads of them sent in envelopes... or people just ringing up and asking can we send our nail, ten pound a nail... and they said, where the rumour started from... these people had heard that because they don't do erm... experiments on animals any more... they're using nails to do experiments, the nail polish and that well I was saying... for experiments and that, don't you thing, just listen to what I'm telling you was in the paper! And er, so they sa... put an announcement in the paper to say... don't keep sending these nails to us cos they go straight in the bin, we've got no use for them! They don't know where it's come from, they have never have done and they never will.
[Harold:] Well we we, you know if you cut your nail you cut the top off, even if it's
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Harold:] that long it's like that.
[Merielle:] it's... for this... it's not
[Harold:] Mm.
[Merielle:] it doesn't have to be a
[Martine:] Doesn't matter.
[Merielle:] whole nail to do experiments! You don't
[Martine:] It doesn't have to be a nice shape it's just that so that if the nail polish doesn't
[Merielle:] Course it doesn't,
[Martine:] your nail or anything I suppose.
[Merielle:] [sighing] Oh []! Christ you are thick!
[Martine:] So anyway, she said oh yeah, so I know what Sandra can be like and I've been with her
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] for three weeks!
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] And I said yes, I said you know what Sue can be like, you've been with her for twelve months and you're daft enough
[Merielle:] That's bloody true!
[Martine:] to still be there!
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Because she... you know, she comes in with
[Merielle:] Yeah!
[Martine:] all these sob sob stories and she's still with her!
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] So I said, you go and I said, don't be as biased as I am I said... don't go there thinking oh there's no way... you know she's... I'm better off with Sue and all that because I said you don't know... I said you
[Merielle:] Course she doesn't!
[Martine:] give her the benefit of the doubt and give her a fair chance.
[Merielle:] Mm. So did she say she's made her mind up?
[Martine:] She said yes she said you're right.
[Merielle:] And did she ring?
[Martine:] Yeah, she's meeting her up the Tavern.
[Merielle:] Where's the Tavern?
[Martine:] In the dip at our by the
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] traffic lights.
[Merielle:] In the daytime for lunch?
[Martine:] No, cos Sandra's got a little puppy... she said oh I'd like you to come and see the cottage... and er... my puppy. [LAUGHTER] Do you wanna come and see some puppy []!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Good, come and see my puppy little girl!
[Martine:] I said to her, you know what I'm with... animals
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] and that, I said... go to the Tavern I said... doesn't matter whether you see the cottage... take the little puppy for a walk.
[Merielle:] Oh! God!
[Martine:] Said it'll have been in all day.
[Merielle:] Oh gosh!
[Martine:] So er... I mean I think she'd be more suited to somebody
[Merielle:] Sue.
[Martine:] like that
[Merielle:] Well I'd have thought she did.
[Martine:] erm... than this... damn yeah.
[Merielle:] What about er... and is she gonna fit the cottage in as well when she meets her on
[Martine:] No, don't know about that.
[Merielle:] Another time perhaps? I mean, he's also from... Ellesmere Port anyway.
[Martine:] What was that?
[Mike:] [yawn]
[Martine:] But I said just go and give her a fair chance... and I
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] said... and er
[Mike:] Aye!
[Martine:] I said if yo... if you think... you know that you might be able to build a relationship... I said then er... you know, tell her so... I said and don't try and... run the both of them at the same time I said
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] or it will end tears! As we were clearing up he said oh good God whatever did I see in her!
[Merielle:] Yes.
[Martine:] I said well only you'll know.
[Mike:] Or whether you scared him after to death!
[Merielle:] Well play it by ear that's right.
[Mike:] That's it.
[Martine:] I said then all you have to do is tell her how much she hurt you the last time
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] but that you have
[Mike:] goal
[Martine:] forgiven her... but don't
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] bear any grudge against her, but you don't want her
[Mike:] He wouldn't care would he? He used to do the same everyone else!
[Martine:] her ringing you or, or doing anything and that's it, and then you've been straight with her, you're not stringing her along.
[Mike:] Well you wouldn't would you?
[Martine:] I said, but if there is any doubt in the back of your
[Mike:] You can!
[Martine:] mind
[Mike:] Bugger them!
[Martine:] do you think that you
[Mike:] I would!
[Martine:] could have a relationship with her.
[Harold:] No, no, no, no!
[Martine:] I said then you've gotta... make that claim.
[speaker006:] Yeah yeah, there's obviously
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] and er you've gotta get rid of Sue, but I'd miss Linda!
[Mike:] And you put twenty
[Merielle:] Yeah, for a little while.
[Martine:] And she wouldn't play
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] And she wouldn't play in goal for us any more!
[speaker006:] It depends on what, how you'd done them... cos how much would you get done?
[Martine:] I said, listen!
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] I said in five years time... when you're forty five
[Mike:] Win a few.
[Merielle:] Aye!
[Martine:] er in seven years
[Harold:] Didn't get much... [LAUGHTER] look []! And they start saying they would do it to people now.
[Merielle:] And seeing her
[Martine:] yeah.
[Merielle:] she was ye er aye
[Martine:] when you're forty five
[Mike:] Oh yeah!
[Merielle:] she won't be... any use to anyway!
[Martine:] And you are just completely
[Harold:] What, oh aye no.
[Martine:] miserable!
[Harold:] I mean it could of been a lot been worse than this!
[Martine:] because you haven't got any one!
[Mike:] Aye, there's one in bloody
[Martine:] Yeah, but will it give you satisfaction to leave
[Harold:] Did er, if I go to this place
[Martine:] to leave instead of me?
[Harold:] on the the
[Martine:] Well... at least it kept the hockey going so can and see clearer now. So what are they gonna think? I said, alright so they
[Harold:] Couldn't see how they do it all, and that's it.
[Martine:] cos what she said is if she
[Harold:] That doesn't bother me.
[Martine:] finishes this
[Mike:] No, no.
[Martine:] er game
[Harold:] Erm... cos sh sh
[Martine:] she won't play hockey for them so all the hockey girls
[Harold:] what used to bother me at one point
[Martine:] will turn against
[Harold:] but
[Martine:] her.
[Merielle:] That's alright!
[Harold:] if I went into it Bob
[Martine:] No, I said, and do you think, how
[Harold:] a
[Martine:] long do you think they'll
[Harold:] a week that's all.
[Martine:] remember that? Said, alright, I said the first week said the first week I said, then it'll all blow over and in fact
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] none of even bothered at all. I said, but if you're willing to sacrifice... to keep all them lot happy I said and you'd call most
[Harold:] but from their point of view
[Martine:] of them black a lot of the time!
[Harold:] erm
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] They're none of your
[speaker006:] Yeah, but we I mean
[Mike:] Mm.
[speaker006:] because
[Martine:] I said and finding this out when you're by yourself
[speaker006:] what they were go trying to tell me was
[Martine:] it's not gonna give you any... pleasure to say, oh well at least all the girls are alright.
[speaker006:] Yeah but and, you know we're talking
[Martine:] I said you're gonna be by yourself I said, for God's sake start thinking of yourself!
[speaker006:] my height, I didn't even look at it that way er, he used to
[Merielle:] Well they're all
[Martine:] Yeah, they are aren't they?
[Merielle:] So
[Martine:] I said it's about time you started looking after yourself and not bothering about!
[Harold:] Well problem is they can't win can they? [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Oh! No, you couldn't, she... they're all, they know it's Jenny's asthma.
[Martine:] She's too nice you know, she's tries
[Merielle:] Yeah!
[Martine:] to be nice to everyone.
[Merielle:] She does. I was... it was asthma wasn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] Shirley?
[Martine:] Not too bad. She's on one of these inhaler
[Merielle:] Oh
[Martine:] things
[Merielle:] they got to?
[Martine:] These little kids on them aren't they?
[Merielle:] All the time!
[Martine:] You know there must
[Mike:] It was on telly about them weren't it? They reckon they're gonna find a cure for that.
[Martine:] there must have always been asthma.
[Merielle:] Oh aye I saw that! Yes, well I hope they do anyway cos I think it
[Martine:] Mustn't there?
[Merielle:] must be awful!
[Martine:] There must have always been asthma... whether it's
[Merielle:] Oh yeah!
[Martine:] whether it's got worse with amount of
[Mike:] No, but people have died through it through le... ye years
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] we we
[Merielle:] Oh yeah!
[Mike:] You know and they'll through
[Harold:] ol old lady across the road... er
[Merielle:] From you?
[Harold:] from Home and she... she died and er, that wasn't spoke of.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Harold:] Cos she'd had a
[Merielle:] Oh yeah!
[Martine:] What like, little kids!
[Merielle:] But these,th it's escalating with little children it's either
[Harold:] Mm.
[Merielle:] er
[Martine:] Dunno I'd say a fair.
[Merielle:] the merest bit of bad chest they have doctors are either saying it's asthma or the mother is er, saying it's asthma and saying to the doctor can they have one of these or whatever
[Martine:] Yeah like little James.
[Merielle:] or it's
[Mike:] Mm.
[Merielle:] the pollution in the air or whatever
[Martine:] Mm.
[Merielle:] he didn't have to have one of these.
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] No, but every... whenever... his chest goes he's
[Merielle:] Aye yeah.
[Martine:] straight to the doctors and that isn't he?
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] I suppose you would be wouldn't you?
[Merielle:] Oh yes, I can
[Mike:] Mm.
[Merielle:] understand that... don't
[Martine:] erm
[Merielle:] get me wrong I'd be getting a bit
[Martine:] but I'm sure's he's gonna be like that.
[Merielle:] Yeah!
[Martine:] I'm sure it's because he's prone to that.
[Mike:] Well our Susan when she was small she was the same.
[Martine:] Was she?
[Mike:] She couldn't have er... she couldn't have a feather pillow.
[Martine:] Good God!
[Merielle:] She was allergic.
[Mike:] They, they thought of everything, oh have you got a cat, you got a dog, you got this you got that?
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] And in the end it was a feather pillow.
[Martine:] Good God!
[Merielle:] yes!
[Mike:] But now she's alright, she had a feather of pillow for a couple of years... it's like
[Merielle:] Yes.
[Mike:] a bloody now!
[Merielle:] She had to
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] !
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] so, you know
[Harold:] She sleeps with ducks now!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Oh well you've got to laugh! Cos it is that sort of thing isn't it? Like hayfever and... eczema and
[Mike:] Aye, well she had hayfever when she was small
[Harold:] Sometimes you're good
[Mike:] you know a couple a years and she's never had.
[Martine:] Honestly, when I really really understood.
[Harold:] Well Nicola didn't use to have hayfever when she was at.
[Martine:] No, she got it
[Merielle:] Yeah but
[Martine:] she got it when she was doing her A levels didn't she?
[Merielle:] Yeah!
[Martine:] You know at
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] the a exams and that, that...
[Merielle:] Ooh you've seen me grow out of it now, what you
[Harold:] Well go on!
[Merielle:] talking about?
[Martine:] Well this thing on her hand.
[Harold:] Mole.
[Martine:] Oh she did grow out of
[Merielle:] she has, [LAUGHTER] for her []!
[Harold:] No, she hasn't! She was almost... twelve months
[Merielle:] Oh no she was!
[Harold:] twelve months ago?
[Merielle:] Yes, and twelve months
[Harold:] months.
[Merielle:] ago she slid up
[Harold:] Oh good!
[Merielle:] the way and she was in Manchester.
[Martine:] Erm
[Harold:] Was that thing on her... hand er
[Martine:] That's like
[Harold:] Yeah, that's a
[Merielle:] She said, she thinks there might be a little well did you see Mandy when I tomorrow I just wanted for you to go
[Martine:] Didn't you ask?
[Merielle:] to the doctors, I forgot! When I came off the phone.
[Martine:] I can't quite understand the...
[Merielle:] I think she's right saying that er... er watch that off
[Mike:] Yeah, but if you took the watch off it should stop.
[Merielle:] cos I know.
[Martine:] Ah, I
[Merielle:] Yes
[Martine:] don't think it's.
[Merielle:] well I think it should, but on the other hand
[Martine:] What's she on about, those little... digital... watches with the metal strip?
[Merielle:] I don't know which ones, you know. Er
[Martine:] No, if it's something like that, if you take the irritation away then it
[Merielle:] Should show up.
[Martine:] it goes.
[Harold:] Yeah, I'd agree with
[Mike:] Mm.
[Harold:] that.
[Martine:] I don't wanna
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] lose that.
[Merielle:] Well no
[Martine:] Cos I used to think it's this hand isn't it? Where it, I used to think it might touch on this
[Merielle:] But it doesn't?
[Martine:] but it doesn't because it's
[Merielle:] Oh no!
[Martine:] miles back. You know yo
[Mike:] Always used to have it on her wrist.
[Martine:] Did she?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Oh, you told me
[Mike:] That
[Martine:] that before!
[Merielle:] Did she?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] And was that eczema?
[Mike:] Ooh, God I can't remember
[Merielle:] No. And what did she
[Mike:] and
[Merielle:] used have on?
[Mike:] she used to,bu no, she us used to have one if she used that... and she used to have to bandage them
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] to go to bed at night. Well, if you're in your sleep you're
[Merielle:] Well that's it, of course!
[Mike:] And she used to bandage them tight
[Merielle:] Did she?
[Mike:] and she can still
[Harold:] Aye.
[Mike:] in her sleep... get her fingers down
[Merielle:] They can, they say that!
[Martine:] Yeah,
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] And I I was only bloody tiny then but I can still remember it. She used to wake up in the morning they were red raw both of them!
[Merielle:] Ooh!
[Martine:] Ooh, that's so sick!
[Mike:] even with these bandages on, just like
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] I can remember the bandages being on.
[Merielle:] Good God!
[Mike:] She'd still get her bloody fingers in there though!
[Martine:] Does Nicola say hers itch her like that?
[Merielle:] Yes
[Harold:] Yeah, she
[Merielle:] at night, in bed everybody goes, you go worse for itching
[Harold:] Mm.
[Merielle:] in bed, yeah, it's terrible! But she never makes it red raw.
[Martine:] No.
[Merielle:] She doesn't re, you know
[Martine:] Still sore.
[Merielle:] she'll remember scratching, it was like she said everything goes worse at night, itching.
[Martine:] Well, would you mind telling me
[Merielle:] To do with her... whatever nerves they cause them that cause itching.
[Harold:] Well it's, you know I've never had that and you've never had that.
[Merielle:] No.
[Harold:] And you've not.
[Martine:] And I've not.
[Harold:] Why should she?
[Merielle:] Oh no! Well I think she could be right about it starting off as that, I don't know. They start off somewhere in families these sort of things.
[Mike:] It's not like the washing powder or something like that, they reckon you said it's just you know
[Merielle:] Well that's what they said.
[Mike:] you're cuff's tighter than
[Merielle:] Mm.
[Mike:] anywhere isn't it?
[Merielle:] Yeah that's what
[Mike:] rubbing on
[Merielle:] She ke, I said and when you're washing up and that
[Martine:] Well surely it's the both of us?
[Merielle:] or rubbing things through washing
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] I don't think you'll ever really know.
[Merielle:] keep rubber gloves and she does, she says so she doesn't think it's detergent.
[Martine:] Would you mind telling me what the connection is between eczema and asthma?
[Merielle:] And hayfever, there's three of them.
[Martine:] What's... what is er... something of the skin got to do with
[Merielle:] All allergies, all allergies.
[Martine:] Yeah, but they're not really the same
[Merielle:] They say.
[Martine:] are they? They say they're connected
[Merielle:] They
[Martine:] but I can't... when Jan was saying, oh Jennie's got as... er
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] ex
[Merielle:] She's got the lot.
[Martine:] eczema... very bad er, her legs are like corned beef... all behind her knees and... her legs
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] and her elbows... and erm... all over her really she has this eczema, she's always having to change creams cos... they
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] get like er
[Merielle:] Used to them.
[Martine:] Your body gets used
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] to one sort, and they'll never cure it Jan doesn't think.
[Merielle:] No, they won't. They can only contain it
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] control it.
[Martine:] It's terrible it is! And er
[Mike:] Well that corned beef, fetch us a quarter in on Monday mate!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Erm
[Harold:] Are you hiding?
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] But like, so she's got that now that isn't, that's just like a somebody with a skin
[Mike:] corned beef.
[Martine:] but I can't understand how they can say that asthma is in, really in the same strain because that's more like a breathing
[Merielle:] Yeah, but it's what causes the
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] be, breathing problem... is the allergy either to the dust in the air or the mites
[Martine:] Oh.
[Merielle:] or the... as they say, and asthma's sa, the same hayfever as well in the
[Martine:] Mm.
[Merielle:] summer. It's true, well isn't it
[Mike:] That's with hayfever in Southport weren't she, after feeding the horses hay? We went to see them horses... remember? bloody screaming!
[Merielle:] This last time, even in this weather!
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] Yeah, well it wasn't hayfever, she was allergic to the horses wasn't she? Hay
[Mike:] No it was
[Merielle:] you can only have hayfever in the summer can't
[Mike:] Well
[Merielle:] you?
[Mike:] I don't know, she said
[Merielle:] But
[Mike:] it was hayfever, remember
[Merielle:] we asked, yeah.
[Mike:] when we went to them horses?
[Merielle:] Well some people
[Martine:] Ah yeah!
[Merielle:] call it that but it's an allergy.
[Martine:] Oh, I never told mum and dad that I don't think. Tosh arranged for us to go and see his. His daughter
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] does horses, she seemed to be very good. His boss
[Harold:] Ah!
[Martine:] Mark, the main man
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] his daughter... and
[Merielle:] the last time when you
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] went?
[Martine:] Yeah. And he took us to their house
[Merielle:] Is he?
[Martine:] and you should see the house!
[Merielle:] The ma main man?
[Martine:] No, he's not that sort of main man is he?
[Mike:] No, it's it's it's no, he is aye, he's the director! His big brothers... run the firm.
[Martine:] Yeah but it's not, it's not his... name... it's not his name
[Mike:] No, no, it's
[Martine:] after, the the firm.
[Mike:] no it's... whatever, it's Andrew and
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Colin.
[Merielle:] Oh aye that's where the.
[Mike:] A, that's A C, I don't know what the M is, I don't know.
[Merielle:] And this man wasn't Andrew that you went to see?
[Mike:] Andrew and Colin, not... Andrew.
[Merielle:] Oh, I see I thought you said Andrew?
[Mike:] No, Andrew a... one brother's Andrew, the other one's Colin and... they're the partners in the firm
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] so... it's yeah.
[Merielle:] And you don't what, they're surnames Mac something.
[Mike:] Well I don't know.
[Martine:] But anyway, this girl... no, they're surname isn't anything, even similar to that!
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] Because...... they're name is!
[Merielle:] Yeah,.
[Mike:] Oh it might be... Michael and Andrew Co, then.
[Merielle:] There you are!
[Martine:] It's something like that, it's.
[Merielle:] The ma, the name MAC, yeah!
[Martine:] Yeah,
[Mike:] Michael is it's it isn't!
[Martine:] Because... when he told me their name was I thought of a girl I used to know called Louise, but it isn't her
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] but apparently she was... you know... really goo, you know like the
[Mike:] Ah, they had the money to buy... they had every... they could afford
[Martine:] They were loaded!
[Mike:] anything!
[Martine:] Basically, like... but she was... must of been such and such champion, I mean I didn't appreciate... probably how... good she was, sort of thing... because I'm not in their show circuit but probably she was the... you know, one of the top
[Mike:] The highest one.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] of her particular area. But, I mean, even if erm... she was saying about going down to Olympia and stuff, weren't she, or somewhere?
[Mike:] Yeah. The, that horse was British
[Martine:] So she must of been good.
[Mike:] champion, whatever this bloody horse was it was something
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] stylish! British
[Martine:] She had
[Mike:] champion at, whatever it was at.
[Merielle:] Where did they live, in Southport or
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] outside or
[Martine:] Yeah, it was erm... you didn't have to go that far out but they ha... they owned a bit of land and stuff
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] didn't they?
[Mike:] It was like all houses... see there's a main road
[Merielle:] Yeah....
[Martine:] Actually you went through er
[Merielle:] King's roundabout or
[Martine:] I don't know whether you went
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] up towards er... Banks... you know we u er
[Merielle:] I don't think I ever saw erm, yeah I didn't though.
[Martine:] all up there and past the village restaurant where
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] where we went
[Merielle:] Ah, yeah!
[Martine:] for
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] Sunday Lunch, but it's closed down.
[Merielle:] Oh yes!
[Martine:] You went down there and through Banks and then turn
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] to the right, I don't quite know where.
[Mike:] Mm.
[Merielle:] Not quite clear there.
[Martine:] But er, it was nice, the horses were lovely!
[Merielle:] Oh, were they?
[Martine:] Cos I didn't really know what to expect when he said oh
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] she's got horses
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] I thought they were just gonna be a load of.
[Mike:] Ah, but where this house were along the road
[Merielle:] Yes.
[Mike:] like yo yo your houses and the
[Merielle:] Oh, I see what you said.
[Mike:] bloody gardens... but all, the back of there, they owned everything!
[Martine:] All the land didn't they?
[Mike:] You know there might ha, there might have been three hundred ya, three hundred yards of houses... semis and detached... and they had a bit of land, but all the back of that, that was theirs!
[Merielle:] Yeah! I see.
[Mike:] You know, it was all fenced... they hadn't lived there long had they?
[Martine:] No.
[Mike:] And it was all new fences and it had all been... it had been.
[Merielle:] A newly built house as well you mean?
[Mike:] No it was old.
[Merielle:] Oh I see, yeah!
[Mike:] It wasn't at first,
[Martine:] That house, it was a typical horsy place, rammy kitchen and loads of dogs jumping up at you.
[Merielle:] Oh I see.
[Mike:] Aye, but in that lounge, when I when I went that lounge... it was, they were the sort of people that bloody... don't open the curtains! They'll save the blo, I presume save the bloody sun... you know, fading the carpet or the curtains.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Cos the carpet must have been worth a bloody fortune anyway! All the furniture in there was all... you know, really smart stuff!
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Well was it antiques or something cos I didn't come in?
[Mike:] Well I suppose it was antique, it was awful!
[Martine:] Well you know what a horses
[Mike:] bloody
[Martine:] person's kitchen is like?
[Mike:] hard wood, oh it was really smelly!
[Martine:] They're always the same.
[Mike:] And it had a... they had a stuffed fox.
[Merielle:] Well I
[Martine:] No,.
[Mike:] Stuffed fox.
[Harold:] Oh Aye!
[Mike:] Tosh's dad shot it.
[Martine:] Well I mean
[Mike:] And he'd been out shooting, but Tosh had give it to this feller
[Martine:] Oh no!
[Mike:] and this feller taxidermist.
[Merielle:] And I thought
[Martine:] Well I suppose maybe they're not all the
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] same, but they're the type, and you walk in and the the
[Mike:] seriously though, you ca you couldn't see where it had been shot.
[Martine:] dogs fast asleep in the blanket that's just
[Mike:] I had a look round it, oh it's this
[Martine:] pricked with hair
[Mike:] he was there... really!
[Martine:] and it's just, I've seen it so often
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Harold:] [LAUGHTER] I just not gonna do with it []!
[Martine:] Erm
[Mike:] Oh
[Martine:] but I dunno I was
[Mike:] like a little rigid bloody board thing!
[Martine:] so she's finished riding
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Oh this was... really nice, it was only
[Martine:] and
[Mike:] a young fox.
[Martine:] the girl? Must have been about twenty one.
[Mike:] Oh it was really nice! And they had another one
[Merielle:] career or anything?
[Mike:] that was er... it had been done
[Martine:] I don't know.
[Mike:] all like oh like, twenty years ago
[Merielle:] Thought perhaps she did some work whatever.
[Mike:] and the difference... it was
[Martine:] Mm.
[Mike:] the new one, it was like
[Martine:] But er, you know like Tosh hadn't,
[Mike:] it was there it was
[Martine:] he hadn't said that so, when they asked
[Mike:] looked nice, but the other one it was all snarled and everything!
[Martine:] and the mum was saying things and that
[Mike:] The person who'd done the old one
[Martine:] she goes, oh yeah! Oh I hate it, when you have to ask
[Mike:] in my eyes like, was more professional than the one that had done the new one!
[Merielle:] Yeah!
[Mike:] Cos it was all... all this
[Martine:] Oh it was a!
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] you know, and that sort of thing.
[Merielle:] We well you should I said! Oh I am sorry!
[Mike:] It was all smell and I don't know what it was!
[Martine:] It was worth going into.
[Mike:] To look at you could just imagine that, you know, going for something looking like that.
[Martine:] You know, I mean, we just called upon them, I suppose
[Harold:] Yeah!
[Martine:] she wanted to think that oh, this is this, this is that.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] But inside it was just
[Merielle:] Whether they were posh or not.
[Martine:] killing me in! No, she's a very down to earth. But she was saying this that and the other but... I just felt like saying oh, listen I know more than you anyway!
[Merielle:] Yeah. for a few months
[Martine:] Oh she was the big I am wasn't she?
[Merielle:] .
[Martine:] She was, the big I am aye.
[Merielle:] No? Don't use
[Martine:] What?
[Merielle:] the baby boy's running there.
[Martine:] No... erm
[Merielle:] Is is this month or
[Martine:] she says twenty third by her dates, but the hospital said twenty ninth or something.
[Merielle:] Oh
[Martine:] There's a bit
[Merielle:] God well! Time.
[Mike:] I had a dream didn't I? I told you, I had a dream about er
[Martine:] Yeah, what was it again?
[Mike:] dreaming about the baby
[Merielle:] Ah!
[Mike:] in the week
[Merielle:] What did she have?
[Mike:] It was a little
[Martine:] A little boy.
[Mike:] it was a little lad, I dreamt it was a little lad
[Martine:] And I think she is gonna have a boy.
[Merielle:] She'll have a boy, yeah she said
[Mike:] and er
[Merielle:] she'll have one.
[Mike:] we were going... we were going the house
[Harold:] It's usually the opposite.
[Martine:] No, I... sa
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] I said
[Harold:] Oh no!
[Martine:] that they're gonna have a little lad.
[Harold:] no,i i if it's her that dreamt it.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] That's definite.
[Harold:] Oh well you're probably right.
[Mike:] and we were going their house, but it wasn't Judith's, it was Rob's mum and dad's down Road... and er... we went in... and you didn't know anything about it, and I walked in a Rob said... she's had it! I said what is it? It's a little lad... and... I... I looked through a window, I could see Judith holding this baby... but you had to walk round to get to her... and I knew before you'd got there and you were all over the moon about this little baby and everything
[Merielle:] Ah!
[Mike:] and... i it was all, you know
[Martine:] But it could talk didn't you say?
[Mike:] It was only tiny but it bloody talk!
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] God!
[Mike:] bloody talk!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Aye!
[Martine:] Aye, I'll tell you what bloody wouldn't surprise me!
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Mike:] wasn't sure that [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] I think they'll have to tell her that sometime!
[Martine:] Er, Kelly don't go.
[Mike:] Kelly can.
[Martine:] Kelly isn't, her name isn't
[Mike:] Oh yeah!
[Martine:] Kelly.
[Harold:] What a... what's his name?
[Martine:] Well
[Merielle:] Hugh.
[Martine:] Hugh.
[Merielle:] Garry... and Shaun
[Harold:] Remember Shaun?
[Merielle:] forget about Garry
[Mike:] Oh aye!
[Merielle:] with Shaun he's gone now!
[Harold:] And I don't know what
[Merielle:] Gone with the wind!
[Martine:] But er, no she will have a lad.
[Mike:] Well she said herself she's expecting a lad though isn't she?
[Merielle:] Oh that's right,
[Martine:] No, she hasn't been told by the hospital.
[Merielle:] Oh no, she's doesn't want to know
[Mike:] No, she hasn't been told but she, she's thinks it's gonna be a lad.
[Merielle:] They offered to tell
[Harold:] You mean
[Merielle:] her or not.
[Harold:] You mean to say er... i, they'd only lived in Bournemouth don't you?
[Mike:] Oh aye! That was.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Urgh!
[Harold:] They always....
[Merielle:] I don't feel at all like that!
[Martine:] Mm.
[Merielle:] Glenn's gonna take her baby round with her
[Martine:] Well maybe they don't want him round.
[Merielle:] when she's goes to do hair and that?
[Martine:] I don't know!
[Merielle:] I bet she will. Unless it's the likes of you, but in the day time
[Martine:] Mm.
[Merielle:] she might take the baby if he's good.
[Martine:] Well I suppose she'd get away with it wouldn't she?
[Merielle:] Mm.
[Martine:] God, I'd take her!
[Merielle:] Well if he was sleeping you could leave him the car.
[Martine:] Better than shoving him in a creche innit?
[Merielle:] Course it is! She wouldn't do that I'm sure! I don't know whether she makes that much money
[Mike:] It's, it's too bloody much!
[Martine:] They sent her a lovely
[Merielle:] Exactly!
[Martine:] ... di di
[Merielle:] It's that, yeah
[Martine:] I was a bit annoyed I forgot I hadn't put your name on.
[Mike:] the... hairdressers.
[Merielle:] Well she stopped us going up that lane in the car, by
[Martine:] I didn't know her surname.
[Merielle:] Mr Tots whether she'd just had the baby, I don't know her surname.
[Martine:] I go, I had the lovely calligraphy pen and I put to Mr and Mrs, cos I always speak to Kevin, I know him
[Merielle:] Yeah!
[Martine:] and I've met him in the pub.
[Merielle:] I haven't a clue what her name was!
[Martine:] to Mr and Mrs K... so, I had to put a note
[Merielle:] You do!
[Martine:] sorry I can't remember your surname... and put to Glenys, on the si, I think it's.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] I think it's something common, but I co
[Merielle:] , yeah.
[Martine:] couldn't remember if it was,, or?
[Merielle:] I didn't ever know it.
[Martine:] Here, I'll tell you what else, just saying, David... and
[Merielle:] Angela's brother?
[Martine:] yeah, has moved to Chester
[Merielle:] Yeah, you said, you said he came in.
[Martine:] but the other day I dreamt about Angela
[Merielle:] Ah!
[Martine:] did you know the?
[Merielle:] Have you told her about it or not?
[Martine:] No, I've... I... I did think at one time whether to... pass a note, bye! Whether to the pass
[Merielle:] Bye!
[Martine:] through him to her
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] but erm... unless she had said something, he never came back and said oh Angela says hello, if she had of done
[Merielle:] Oh, yeah!
[Martine:] I might have... you know, like I
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] knew it was her birthday on Halloween... cos it always stuck in my mind
[Merielle:] Ha oh, was it?
[Martine:] and I thought, shall I send a card, and I thought... no, cos that many years have gone by
[Merielle:] That's it.
[Martine:] so I've never done anything, but he's moved and he's been back and seen us.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] He came in for a chat the other day and said, oh how you getting on? Anyway, my... my dream was, I walked into the photocopying room in work... and who should be there, and you'll remember the other girl as well Angela getting paper out of the cupboard, and Elizabeth
[Merielle:] Ooh, Lord!
[Martine:] from.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] now I haven't seen either of them since school
[Merielle:] Ee!
[Martine:] and er... Elizabeth, I just can't imagine that she's altered at all
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] but, but she may have done.
[Merielle:] Mm.
[Martine:] And er, I was just talking to her and that's all I can remember. But, you know
[Merielle:] Amazing isn't it?
[Martine:] when you think what you dream of, good God! Bev's got this... book of dre, mystic book of dreams or something it's called
[Merielle:] Who?
[Martine:] I have in work
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] and it's the biggest load of rubbish you've ever seen but
[Mike:] Somebody... must of spent hours thinking
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] of all them!
[Martine:] Oh, they have!
[Merielle:] Yeah!
[Martine:] You know, and there's every
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] it's all in alphabetical order, all different objects or whatever.
[Merielle:] They say, yeah. Well some people really need them!
[Martine:] So like, we have a hell of a good laugh like, we go in and... like, my dreams don't usually dawn on me till around lunch, I always say quick, give us the book! I dreamt about a black cat, a black cat [LAUGHTER] left the room []!
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] And it says, oh you are gonna do such
[Merielle:] Well have you really or have just made it up?
[Mike:] You brought the book home!
[Martine:] I did dream about some kittens the other night, there was
[Merielle:] Oh yeah?
[Martine:] three white ones and a black one.
[Merielle:] That was after that white cat adopting you, I told you that's what it was!
[Mike:] He was there today wasn't he?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Harold:] No, he's gone.
[Martine:] I cannot
[Merielle:] Do you feed it?
[Martine:] With most of my
[Mike:] Ah.
[Martine:] dreams most of
[Merielle:] What with?
[Martine:] time... well he had some fat of ham
[Mike:] Just bits and pieces.
[Martine:] that I didn't... I brought the rest for Laddy.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Erm
[Harold:] [LAUGHTER] Peanuts []!
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Ooh, he was funny though, he was coming like that, and he's dying for a stroke
[Merielle:] Well that dog in the Raven was eating peanuts off Barbara, the mother Marsha the other week! Doing tricks!
[Mike:] He's a bloody that idiot!
[Merielle:] Yeah, and then
[Martine:] Erm... yeah, it's, it like... it wants to be friendly
[Mike:] It's really timid isn't it?
[Martine:] but I don't think they pay attention to it across there
[Merielle:] Ah!
[Martine:] it's not used to people!
[Harold:] It's friendly towards you because you've fed it in the day
[Merielle:] It doesn't look neglected
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Oh no!
[Merielle:] oh no!
[Martine:] until you... took your time.
[Mike:] And then it was rolling over and doing all sorts weren't it?
[Martine:] Oh, it was doing tricks and it was so
[Merielle:] Ah!
[Martine:] funny!
[Merielle:] Do you think it's young?
[Martine:] Yes.
[Mike:] I don't think it's very old. I think it might even be that kitten
[Martine:] I think it's about two.
[Mike:] you know?
[Martine:] No. They were... they had a... a board in of white kitten, free to good home.
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] Erm
[Merielle:] When was that?
[Martine:] I think it's the mother of whatever that was.
[Merielle:] Do you?
[Martine:] It was in... last year or something.
[Merielle:] Oh yeah.
[Martine:] Erm, but Mike thinks it may be that kitten.
[Merielle:] Oh it co could be I think it's
[Martine:] But it's only about eighteen months or two isn't it?
[Mike:] Oh it's
[Martine:] And it was sort of
[Mike:] comical honestly!
[Martine:] rolling over to be tickled but before you could tickle it, it was flipping right over and then jumping up wasn't it?
[Merielle:] And will it let you tickle it
[Mike:] oh
[Merielle:] or not?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Yeah, you can stroke it but it's, awful thing is
[Merielle:] tickle when it's lies over
[Mike:] Oh aye!
[Merielle:] yeah,.
[Mike:] But you have to be really slow.
[Martine:] But it had all it's side
[Merielle:] Yeah, they don't like you touching, would it ever claw you if you
[Martine:] well it's the other side has all been shaved off!
[Merielle:] went at it
[Martine:] No.
[Merielle:] sudden?
[Mike:] No.
[Martine:] I don't think so.
[Mike:] It just run off.
[Martine:] All it's side had been shaved as if it had been an o... had an operation.
[Mike:] It has had an operation you know.
[Martine:] I know, you can see the
[Mike:] You can see the mark.
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] So I don't know whether it's a ca, a... a she cat and it's been spayed.
[Merielle:] Yeah. the mark off the leg, you know where
[Martine:] Like on it
[Merielle:] they do
[Martine:] but on it's top and that
[Mike:] On it's back leg.
[Martine:] Yeah. And I said to him... there's no scare but... it's
[Mike:] Looking at it, yeah you can see it.
[Martine:] but the fur hasn't grown back,
[Mike:] The fur's starting to grow a little bit
[Martine:] it looks so ridiculous!
[Merielle:] Mm, yeah.
[Mike:] which mark innit?
[Merielle:] Cos is the rest of it like... floppy or
[Martine:] Yeah,we no well not floppy, it's about that long
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] isn't it?
[Merielle:] Oh, yeah.
[Martine:] But er, I was giving this er... I'd been giving it a stroke, and er... it's sort of dying to be fussed, but I don't think they give it any attention across there.
[Merielle:] No, so it's not quite sure.
[Martine:] so, no. But er, I sa so I said ooh, give it some of this fat off the ham... and er... it was getting it and then instead of eating it
[Mike:] Run away.
[Martine:] he were running by the shed to eat it!
[Merielle:] Aye!
[Martine:] Like, as if it was fri, you know, like I would think to myself, if I didn't know... that, I don't think they would mistreat it.
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] But you think it had had a good kicking or something, wouldn't you?
[Merielle:] Yeah!
[Martine:] The way it's, but it's probably just not used to them. So then, I'd have another piece... and he'd trot off... [LAUGHTER] and he'd run again by the shed []!
[Merielle:] Ooh!
[Martine:] And the other morning
[Merielle:] Ooh that's funny!
[Martine:] oh, was it a morning?
[Mike:] No, I was in.
[Martine:] Was it in the evening?
[Mike:] It were a weekend!
[Martine:] I think is was before
[Mike:] He were on the shed roof?
[Martine:] we come to mum's.
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] And er, it was on the shed roof, on the apex like that... and it just had it's front paws over like that... so I quick, got the camera and through the back bedroom window... erm, took a picture of it on the shed roof like that, it was just looking!
[Merielle:] Oh, like Chas.
[Mike:] But tonight... before, well on Saturday before we came up... like he'd been back and to this after, well this morning really... and I, he'd disappeared hadn't he? And I heard the bathroom window open... and I went in there, I was just having a look, admiring my little shed roof there!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... I nearly took a picture of him!
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Harold:] You weren't looking for the cat, you were looking
[Mike:] No I wasn't! Anyway,, the old shed looks well there... er, I dunno why I started to look out and the cat was on his back legs with his feet like that and he was looking up at me like that!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Ah!
[Mike:] So I thought I'd, so I thought oh I better shut the bloody window, cos if he gets through it, you know, he be, get into it!
[Merielle:] Oh yeah!
[Mike:] Sweet as a nut!
[Martine:] This is the, it's only the... I've only fed it today... er
[Mike:] He has been a couple of times.
[Martine:] But it's been back loads o
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] It's been a lot when you've been to Nora's
[Harold:] Yeah, but once you start!
[Martine:] you know.
[Merielle:] To Nora's?
[Martine:] When, he's gone to Nora's, I've seen it.
[Merielle:] Oh!
[Martine:] But if I'd have fed it the first time I'd have understood it, but I've only fed it today!
[Harold:] Mm.
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] And it's already been
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] a lot of times.
[Mike:] He might
[Harold:] Yeah.
[Mike:] be a bit hungry anyway, mighten he?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Or she.
[Merielle:] Yeah. today... never noticed that before!
[Harold:] Haven't you I
[Merielle:] Oh, I see!
[Harold:] noticed that before.
[Mike:] [yawn] We have [].
[Martine:] Oh,
[Merielle:] I'm just going to pay a call anyway before I leave it to the very last.
[Mike:] [singing] If living is without you [].
[Martine:] You never found that music, we've got a lovely song... out of Willy Wonka
[Merielle:] Oh no, you know when you were playing tonight
[Martine:] And don't you laugh! It's that
[Merielle:] what reminded you
[Martine:] it was a cro, I tell you what, we were playing something tonight, I think it was the last thing before you stopped, and I kept thinking any minute now it's gonna be Somewhere Over the Rainbow
[Merielle:] Yeah,
[Harold:] No, a Simple Girl.
[Martine:] Is it?
[Merielle:] No
[Harold:] It would have been if I'd have carried on.
[Martine:] Yeah, and I kept thinking ooh
[Merielle:] What was that one
[Martine:] that's nice! And then I was this music's gonna come down
[Merielle:] Close to Me, when you played... Close to Me.
[Harold:] Close to You.
[Merielle:] Close to You. See I was right.
[Martine:] And er, I heard you do er
[Merielle:] [singing] []
[Martine:] Killing Me Softly With his Song, which I
[Harold:] Oh yeah.
[Martine:] love anyway! But then it was this... I thought any minute it's gonna be [singing] Somewhere over the Rainbow [].
[Merielle:] Ee!
[Martine:] But it wasn't, and then you kept sort of going into something else. But, this one, that's close to me or whatever mum's saying there... remi, was reminding me of that... [singing] Der der der []
[Harold:] Oh yeah.
[Martine:] [singing] der der der
[Harold:] Oh yeah I love that.
[Martine:] der der der na na na na na
[Harold:] Mm.
[Martine:] [singing] na na na []. And you seeing what you're playing tonight, I thought I can't, but I heard the first thing [singing] der der der [], but then it goes [singing] der der der []
[Harold:] I can't.
[Martine:] [singing] der der, der der da []. But it didn't a, God, my dad's got the music to the one out of Willy Wonka!
[Harold:] Yeah.
[Martine:] It doesn't half sound like it you know!
[Harold:] Yeah, it does.
[Martine:] I nearly run downstairs and then it went into something else... and mum said well, keep listening she said... and erm... it go it goes a bit faster doesn't it, the next... er er and a... couple of bits after.
[Harold:] [singing] Mm de de de de de da da da da da da da da da da
[Martine:] [singing] Da dee dum de dum de dum de dum da da []. And then I keep, what does that sound like then? [singing] Da da da da da da da da on of those Donny Osmond's or something?
[Harold:] Ah, yes I know that, yeah it sounds like [singing] da da da da [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] No it sounds like stri No it sounds like one you won't have heard of on that, the big old LP's that me and Nicola, Nicola for a birthday, that... erm, school love he used to be... er, oh I dunno what was his name? Probably Leo Sayer. [singing] School love... school love, da da da da da da da da da []. But er, oh we should try and get that, I love it I do! And I tell you what, what else was I wanting to say? And I didn't think you had the mu... you had the music but not the words. Think it was to all of... Over the Rainbow. Dad agrees that that [singing] der der der da da da da da [].
[Harold:] Mm.
[Martine:] That does sound like that Willy Wonka
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] the start of it.
[Merielle:] Did you think you had the music for it or something but
[Harold:] No.
[Merielle:] you say, oh you never did? An and you don't the tune to play, no?
[Harold:] Er no no!
[Martine:] Yeah!
[Harold:] Right
[Martine:] You've had a go haven't you? It's just that
[Merielle:] Yeah, you have.
[Martine:] like I haven't got any more words I think.
[Merielle:] No.
[Martine:] I thought you have tried to play
[Merielle:] Never even had a go to play.
[Martine:] Willy Wonka?
[Harold:] No.
[Martine:] No?
[Harold:] I I... it's one of the tunes, you know it when it's on, you know
[Merielle:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] and it's
[Martine:] to try and er
[Merielle:] you do need to
[Martine:] go to the video shop or something and see who play, who does it.
[Merielle:] Oh you have to ring up
[Mike:] ask for bloody Willy Wonka!
[Martine:] I will!
[Merielle:] ... you ring up er
[Martine:] Oh yes that number!
[Merielle:] that num, you can ring that
[Martine:] or whatever
[Merielle:] library in Birmingham. They're forever, tell him about it.
[Mike:] What's that?
[Martine:] That library... you can get
[Merielle:] You ring them and tell them a tune to them.
[Martine:] She was going
[Mike:] Ah yeah!
[Martine:] promotion when she called.
[Merielle:] Oh.
[Mike:] That was in er...?
[Harold:] This week has been about the library.
[Merielle:] Oh God!
[Harold:] That Phillip he was in there.
[Martine:] can you just watch for that lovey cos you're talking.
[Merielle:] Yeah, I heard of the name. Phillip? Yeah,!... [whispering] What are you doing bringing cups in now?... Probably wants er.... I know she wants [].... I don't want you put those trousers away on the washing.
[Harold:] What these?
[Merielle:] The other day, they're dirty, they hadn't been washed... they're dirty when you look at them in daylight. See if she wants to take them to
[Harold:] [yawn] Ooh I don't know [].
[Merielle:] You'll have a lot, aye? Aye?
[Harold:] I don't know!
[Merielle:] You don't know what?
[Harold:] Whether they want wa washing or
[Merielle:] You'll have no choice if I'm saying they're dirty, I shall inspect them in daylight so
[Harold:] They don't look dirty now.
[Merielle:] No they don't, and that's why
[Mike:] What?
[Harold:] These trousers.
[Mike:] No! These are good for another twelve
[Merielle:] Shut up Mike!
[Mike:] months! [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Don't make him worse than what he is! No, I expect it's that
[Mike:] it's in the paper.
[Martine:] Oh yeah I noticed
[Merielle:] Mm.
[Martine:] that!
[Mike:] The one with the.
[Harold:] Oh aye!
[Merielle:] Who used to miserable when she got.
[Harold:] Used to live down the road
[Merielle:] and I
[Martine:] Oh!
[Merielle:] First time
[Martine:] Bye!
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[Mike:] See you lad!
[Martine:] Bye! Do you have to keep?
[Harold:] Yes, it raining.
[Martine:] [singing] mm mm mm... mm mm mm world of full imagination [].
[Merielle:] It's got warmer with it....
[Martine:] [singing]
[Merielle:] What's?
[Martine:] the dreams []. Better than this?
[Harold:] Yeah.
[Merielle:] Oh yes!
[Harold:] Oh we're going some, well
[Merielle:] Oh yeah.
[Harold:] I know.
[Martine:] You know there's something else.
[Mike:] when we get over, lads.
[Martine:] What made you say do you think it's better than this?
[Mike:] She was.
[Merielle:] I've opened it!
[Mike:] Good God, she was only fourteen she had a deeper voice than
[Harold:] .
[Mike:] delayed. It's gonna be one o'clock I expect when she gets in.
[Martine:] She's going to work tomorrow.
[Mike:] Is she?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] Aye
[Martine:] Mm. She'll be shattered.
[Nora:] Aye....
[Martine:] [yawn]
[Mike:] Paul been?
[Nora:] Yes he was here at... soon after nine.
[Mike:] Good god.... What the hell's wrong with him?
[Nora:] Well he'd... got up and then.... He put a shower in yesterday, that Piers. He hasn't
[Mike:] When's he going back?
[Nora:] I don't know.... And he took the front... piece out of that... magazine. He said can I take this? And said what is it?... It was erm... photo of some curtains, he said they exactly the same as Joanna got up for the lounge.... And there was a coupon in, he sent off for fifteen pound off.
[Mike:] It'll be too bloody late now.
[Nora:] He didn't take much like, if you want any like
[Mike:] Oh.
[Nora:] it's in there.... Look at that.... Oh god look at them
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Nora:] Oh bless them....
[Martine:] Have you seen them?
[Nora:] Ah look!
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Nora:] look.
[Mike:] We've got a cat comes to our house, a white one. Pure white like that. Comes
[Nora:] Yeah?
[Mike:] from next door isn't he?
[Martine:] Mm.
[Mike:] Lovely he is.
[Nora:] Is that one of them what?
[Martine:] No
[Mike:] No it's a different one. he's alright he... you can stroke him but you have to go slow towards him. He's alright, he was rolling over on the floor yesterday with me wasn't he?
[Martine:] Mm.
[Nora:] Oh.
[Mike:] Well I wasn't rolling on the floor, the cat was.
[Nora:] The cat, aye. Well see a black one still... that we've coming
[Mike:] Mhm
[Nora:] to the door, he'll not let you touch him.
[Mike:] Where was that ambulance going yesterday? He turned down here.
[Nora:] Aye, well er
[Mike:] We was we was outside our house and I seen it turning along there somewhere.
[Nora:] well w we were wait we were waiting to cross the road and er... it went up here. [whispering] So I thought where the hell's it going []. So when we come up the lane it was on the top here... and er... Sally's dad was with it and then er the engine was still going... so this girl, well erm... one of them wenches
[Mike:] Mm
[Nora:] she lives in Barnside, she was coming up behind me and... her husband and kids... and I
[Mike:] It's not her bloody husband.
[Martine:] No.
[Nora:] Isn't it? So I said to her er... what's happened here? Ooh she said it's... Mrs 's fell.
[Mike:] Who's Mrs?
[Nora:] She lives erm upstairs... down there.
[Mike:] Oh aye.
[Nora:] She's had two falls. And she fell on the
[Mike:] Well it come with them bloody blue lights going
[Martine:] Mm
[Mike:] through
[Nora:] flashing like hell.
[Mike:] You could, you could hear him coming for miles.
[Nora:] for miles aye. And all the traffic got on the side for it to go.... And er, anyroad somebody brought her daughter, whether Sally's husband had rung her daughter... to come. Somebody in a... blue car brought her and there were two ginger headed girls.
[Mike:] Ah
[Nora:] Well her daughter's only got a son. So... I don't know what happened [yawning] []....
[Mike:] Mrs eh? Was she?
[Nora:] No.... She never, she... n never has... And er... well she fell down the road... not long ago... and she went into hospital. And then er...
[Martine:] Why have they taken her in now?
[Nora:] They must have done. And I er was talking to her down the lane when Mrs Monday and I asked her how she was... and she said oh I've had a few falls in the house and all.
[Mike:] Oh dear.
[Nora:] She's eighty six I think.
[Mike:] She'd be better in a bloody home wouldn't she?
[Nora:] And old hasn't come back home yet.
[Mike:] Hasn't he?
[Nora:] No.... And we've never seen his kids. But they were playing ball, that football on the road yesterday when we went out. I said to Mrs perhaps it's one of them [LAUGHTER]. He says so...
[Martine:] Mm.
[Nora:] Don't
[Martine:] [yawn]
[Nora:] And he seemed as if had been here when I was down the road
[Mike:] Ooh that's a shame that you missed her, bloody hell.
[Nora:] common interests book was shoved through the door. It's a damned good job we went because
[Mike:] Ooh you'd have never got down the road.
[Nora:] No I wouldn't.... We went into er... and we went into Carmella's.. Bought some apples.
[Martine:] Have you seen much of Beryl lately?...
[Nora:] Eh?
[Martine:] Do you see
[Mike:] Aunty Beryl
[Martine:] Beryl lately?
[Nora:] No I haven't.
[Mike:] When was the last time you seen her?
[Nora:] Christmas was last.
[Mike:] Was it?
[Nora:] Mm.... And I've never
[Mike:] She must be
[Nora:] heard from Gladys and Fred
[Martine:] No?
[Nora:] for months! It's er Christmas I seen Fred, I haven't se er... well, I know I'm not gonna get on the phone to her, you know what it's like with Gladys.
[Martine:] Mm, can't get off once you're on can you?
[Nora:] I know she might be bad, we don't know. Fred
[Mike:] Lost her bloody voice again perhaps.
[Nora:] Aye. I sometimes think I
[Martine:] It's queer that
[Nora:] It's queer like...
[Mike:] Well if you rung you could always say oh I'll have to go cos somebody at the door if she starts going on a bit long.
[Nora:] Aye.
[Mike:] Say ooh there's somebody at the door, have to go.... That's the best.
[Nora:] Well I can't at night.
[Mike:] Well of course you can.
[Nora:] Well she might think oh you don't go to the door at night.
[Martine:] Well say our Michael was in.
[Mike:] Well if you didn't ring tonight and rung tomorrow... and rung early on-ish... and you'll have to say
[Nora:] Oh aye but
[Mike:] ooh our Michael, ooh, ooh there's somebody at the door, I'll have to go.
[Nora:] Aye about sixish. After, soon after six cos it's cheaper then innit?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Yeah....
[Mike:] And you could have ten minutes on the phone and say ooh I'll have to go, there's somebody at the door.
[Nora:] Aye.
[Mike:] And then that's it then innit?
[Nora:] say ooh I just seen Michael passing, I'll have to
[Mike:] The ball's in her court then....
[Martine:] Tosh and Les have just been on the phone to us up there haven't they?
[Mike:] Ah.
[Nora:] Have they?
[Mike:] Yeah. They're coming at Easter.
[Nora:] Oh aye.
[Martine:] James has been er talking down the footie... yeah, yeah... talking a load of bloody rubbish but... he'll start speaking all of a sudden won't he?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Nora:] It must be rheumatic this in here... ooh god it hurts....... Have to rub it cos
[Mike:] Mm....
[Nora:] [yawning] Oh dear []...
[Mike:] Did you watch Beadle before?
[Nora:] ... said they'd been recording things for her wanting to see... what she does see when she's old.
[Mike:] Oh
[Martine:] Probably have all the bloody soaps taped and everything.
[Mike:] Neighbours and Coronation Street.
[Nora:] Oh I don't know about Neighbours, I know Coronation Street and oh I don't know [LAUGHTER] I don't know what it were []. Oh... she said we've cleaned the house from top to bottom. Everything's lovely by she comes home. And you know she said that er I was telling you about? Aye I said, so she said the landlord's never [LAUGHTER] put it down [] so we thought he'd have had it down by she come home [LAUGHTER] cos Alison seen it and... where they work and th and there's a room there or something and she'd asked the boss [LAUGHTER] could she have it for the bathroom [].
[Martine:] Mm.
[Nora:] And he said yes, take it home.... [yawn]... But she's round here er... Friday night.
[Mike:] Mm.
[Nora:] She's been round here a few times since her husband been away... asking how I am.... They've got a crow in that cage there look.
[Mike:] Have they?... There were a lot of crows when we went for a walk before flying round.
[Nora:] Mm. Ooh and the seagulls. They must go to that... sewerage isn't it?
[Mike:] Aye.
[Nora:] Coming back tonight... there was hundreds of them!... In droves they come in or a bunch and then another bunch comes and... about er quarter to five and it's... every night. They must go at the break of day, you know?
[Martine:] Mm.
[Mike:] Mm. Looking for turds.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Nora:] Well there's nothing else
[Mike:] No.... I went to the tip yesterday
[Nora:] Oh aye.
[Mike:] to the skips... and in a fortnight they shut. They're shutting the skips down and then anything that you take then you have to take straight to the tip. And they're gonna charge you for going there even if you've got like household stuff in the car, they're gonna charge you for tipping. I said to the bloke I'll not bloody pay. He said well I've lost me job through it he said. Cos he looks after the s the skips
[Nora:] Mm.
[Mike:] and then he can have what... they have to put price in and then they, they have the scrap out of them see and all the rest of it. So I've lost me bloody job because of it he said. And the nearest place to go to a skip then is in Queensferry.
[Nora:] Oh.
[Mike:] And if you just tip it outside the gates they're gonna fine you two thousand pound.
[Nora:] Oh good god
[Martine:] Why are they gonna have somebody watching?
[Mike:] Well he reckons they're gonna have like security there and everything.
[Nora:] Oh well where do you, where is it you?
[Mike:] Spencers.,
[Martine:] They'll find somewhere else
[Mike:] Nowt.
[Martine:] to dump it won't they?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Nora:] Oh. Matthew's supposed to have a job there now.
[Mike:] Where?
[Nora:] Spencers.
[Mike:] Spencers?
[Martine:] They don't know what, er you play, pay your bloody poll tax and you've still gotta pay
[Nora:] Aye!
[Martine:] to dump your rubbish!
[Mike:] Mm.
[Nora:] Aye!
[Mike:] I said I'll leave mine out for the bloody bin men before I take it down the tippy.
[Nora:] By hell
[Mike:] I'd put bags of bloody bricks on the front.
[Nora:] Aye.
[Mike:] And I'd leave the buggers there as well. If he didn't take them they could stop there....
[Nora:] the cheeky buggers....
[Mike:] He said it's bec all because the tipping's been privatized or something.
[Nora:] Ha! government. Aye well if the Tory's get in again, they're going to privatize the post offices.
[Mike:] Well they reckon they've, they've split it all ready for privatizing. Because there's like post office parcels now isn't there? And
[Nora:] Mm.
[Mike:] the post office counters. Like the post office down the road. And the post office letters and all the bloody rest of it, it's all been split up ready... so they just privatize it.
[Nora:] Saying how there's gonna be a lot of roads with a poll tax to pay.
[Mike:] Not poll tax, bloody tolls.
[Nora:] Well tolled, toll I mean. Aye. aye. It's coming to something, I hope them buggers don't get in....
[Mike:] Did you watch the football this afternoon or that
[Nora:] No I
[Mike:] kung fu. Did you, didn't see kung fu no?
[Nora:] no I didn't se I watched football and then I turned... in the... interval I t turned it on to and er...
[Mike:] And the Antiques Roadshow.
[Nora:] Yeah. See that teapot of a monkey?
[Mike:] Aye.
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Oh it was horrible! Ugly bloody thing it was.
[Nora:] Oh were in er... it was terrible, I'd have chucked the bugger out before now. Wouldn't we?
[Martine:] Mm.
[Nora:] Wouldn't have that bugger in the house. Oh god!... what do you think we've burnt at home. Makes you wonder what, were they very
[Martine:] Oh god
[Nora:] valuable... value in them. Packed away [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] God aye you've probably chucked away a fortune.
[Nora:] It's too damn late to think about it now though innit?
[Martine:] Yep....
[Nora:] Aye that er... You've Been Framed that dog in the water with that man. [LAUGHTER] He c he [] got him off didn't he, and he sat in the thing.
[Mike:] I didn't see that.
[Nora:] In the seat.
[Martine:] No.
[Nora:] Oh.
[Martine:] Saw the one with the duck on his back.
[Nora:] Oh aye that was good and all. Eh aye.... Ooh... me shoe does it Michael?
[Mike:] It won't go any tighter, you'll have to put more paper in it if you wanna... Well just leave it like that and let it stretch so the leather stays like that....
[Martine:] What have you done, put a spud in it?
[Nora:] Mm?
[Martine:] Is that the one you put a spud in?
[Nora:] Aye.
[Mike:] That's where she had the bloody potato at the back of the bloody thing, there, pushing it in.
[Nora:] Oh Joanne
[Mike:] It has stretched it hasn't it?
[Nora:] Oh aye.... You're frightened of doing stretched it altogether.
[Mike:] You'll pull the bloody leather from under there if you tighten it any more.
[Nora:] Aye.
[Mike:] You see it won't tighten any more, that's it....
[Martine:] What damn sort of contraption's that? Joanne's brought it?
[Mike:] Well it just winds up and it pushes a wedge forward and splays them out.
[Nora:] I got it, it's cos I think it was for a... a thinner shoe mind
[Mike:] Well it's for like a a narrower shoe, a woman's shoe,
[Nora:] And Michael had to put a lot of paper in to
[Mike:] pack it out....
[Nora:] But erm...
[Martine:] Do you make a good door cos you don't make a very good window, sit back.
[Nora:] She's coming again tomorrow to have a look at it and practice....
[Martine:] What the one from from the hairdressers?
[Nora:] Aye.
[Martine:] She comes out to you now does she?...
[Nora:] Aye this is the third time. but she said. So she said she'd come again tomorrow.... Have to get you ready for this wedding she said....
[Martine:] Mm.
[Nora:] Erm Madelade said that... Peter [LAUGHTER] got the nerves already [].
[Mike:] About the wedding?
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Martine:] Mm soon be here the wedding won't it?
[Nora:] Aye soon come now won't it?
[Martine:] Only be about seven weeks something like that. Six or seven weeks.
[Mike:] ...
[Martine:] [yawn]
[Nora:] finish the doors I think for the...
[Mike:] Eh?
[Nora:] He's varnishing isn't he, the doors?
[Mike:] I dunno. Oh he's staining them.
[Nora:] Aye....
[Mike:] He should have left the bloody things off because they're gonna have to take them off if they have their carpets down and... might have to have something planed off them or something mightn't they?
[Nora:] left them up, left them up or something I don't... He said on the night he'll have to come again and have a look at it.
[Mike:] Mm it looks well now. But he was having today as well weren't he, his back door?
[Nora:] Eh?
[Mike:] He was having his back door put on today weren't he?
[Nora:] Why hadn't he got?
[Mike:] Well he had an old one on, he bought a new one on Friday.
[Nora:] Oh did he?
[Martine:] An old stained one or something.... That's like Barbara and Graham's. Big Victorian stained door type...
[Nora:] Oh it'll be all nice when he's finished.
[Mike:] Oh it looks well there now....
[Nora:] Got a nice bit of ground don't they?
[Mike:] Mm....
[Nora:] So er... perhaps he'll wait till he gets the carpets down....
[Mike:] Mm.
[Nora:] Cos he hasn't erm... had the switched on yet.
[Mike:] Well he's had the fire plumbed in but the gas isn't on.
[Nora:] Oh I don't know
[Mike:] I d well that's what he was gonna do, that's what Les was gonna do, put the fire in. It's only a matter of connecting the bloody pipe up.
[Nora:] Aye.... [yawn]...
[Mike:] He's had an electric bill hasn't he for god knows how much. And he hasn't bloody used any.
[Nora:] No. Fifty pound I think.
[Mike:] Mm something like that, or eighty pound was it?
[Martine:] Mm.
[Mike:] I said what you gonna do? I said you wanna send the bugger back, he said don't worry I have done.
[Nora:] Aye... another
[Martine:] They try it on all ways don't they?
[Nora:] Be having another now cos he read them the other day.
[Mike:] Well that's the one, he's had one.
[Nora:] Oh that's the one. Oh god well I expect we'll have ours in the morning....
[Mike:] Aye ours will be, if you have yours in the morning ours will be here tomorrow or Tuesday
[Nora:] Mm.
[Mike:] I expect.... Shouldn't be that much....
[Nora:] You have yours estimated though don't you?...
[Mike:] Did you see that Stars in Their Eyes last night? That Lesley Crowther with them people singing.
[Nora:] Aye.
[Mike:] That young girl was good weren't she?
[Nora:] Aye she was good.
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] But didn't he... make her different?
[Mike:] Aye.
[Nora:] hair different
[Martine:] Mm.
[Nora:] Eh I
[Mike:] But she s Marty's got a tape of the woman that actually sung that anyroad... who she bloody sounds like her.
[Nora:] Mm.
[Mike:] She was good.
[Nora:] Oh aye she was good.... Got little pieces on them haven't they, them?
[Mike:] Yes....
[Nora:] the dog.
[Mike:] Dopey little bugger that one eh?
[Martine:] Ah no! He's lovely.
[Mike:] Horrible little bugger.... shed will be nice and dry now, there'll be no water leaking in
[Martine:] Ah.
[Nora:] No. Oh well that's better.
[Mike:] I'll have to get some... wood preserver or creosote and
[Nora:] Mm.
[Mike:] I'll do all the fences before
[Nora:] Aye....
[Mike:] Well it's too bloody late now, all the rain will have stopped by I finish messing about I expect.
[Nora:] I but
[Mike:] It's made the difference though putting that other stuff on it. I did it with some stuff before
[Nora:] Oh did you?
[Mike:] and er I was watching it when it was raining the other day, you could see the rain dripping off the wood rather than soaking into it so it's done something.
[Nora:] Oh aye. Well you can keep different things in it now than you couldn't before. Eh?
[Mike:] Oh everything's been in the bloody thing anyway. Everything's in there anyway.
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] It's full innit?
[Mike:] No.
[Nora:] He'll be ha er having it in the summer With chairs and table outside.
[Mike:] I'm gonna get all the back tidy for the summer. I know it's not very big but
[Nora:] No.
[Mike:] if I get it tidy, put a bit of... do all, get all the garden level and everything. Be able to, at least be able to sit out or something in the summer.
[Nora:] Oh aye.
[Mike:] And I'll put so bit more soil in that, you know that border thing that we've got there? Well there was all concrete and all sorts on the top of that weren't there?
[Nora:] I know.
[Mike:] So I've knocked it all up so I'm gonna dig it over and put, get some more soil this next week.
[Nora:] Well where's thee gonna get thee soil from?
[Mike:] Well I don't know. I don't wanna pay for the bugger. I'll see Johnny, see if he's got anything. Mm.
[Nora:] but he might.
[Mike:] Well I'll leave ca I don't wanna do them till the summer, it will be too bloody wet now. It's wet as down there. Went down for a walk today didn't we? It was slippery as hell down the fields.
[Nora:] Oh aye. Did your mum and dad go along?
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] What, for a walk?
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] Mm.... It was nice aye.
[Nora:] dog's not so bad... walk like.
[Mike:] [yawning] Oh aye he's alright []. He was this morning. We was... we give him an aspirin he was alright.
[Martine:] [yawn]...
[Mike:] Oh aye. We took a couple of photos of him again today. So if, he's got a fortnight
[Martine:] Whereby is it?
[Nora:] Right in the middle duck.
[Mike:] He's got a fortnight before it's gotta go in anyway
[Nora:] Aye.
[Mike:] so we'll have this film developed
[Nora:] It's in there. On that page.
[Mike:] There.... We'll get it developed and... we've
[Nora:] Oh aye
[Mike:] we've got things on him as well so... we find the best.
[Nora:] Well take it home with you Martine then.
[Mike:] Yeah he was comical wasn't he, tonight? He had his bloody... he had his cushion and he had his bloody, you know that one how we got him with his head on his cushion like that? He was lying with his head on his cushion, eh
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] god almighty.
[Martine:] Twelve... they want.
[Mike:] Do they?...
[Nora:] It'll be alright to have a... win it again ducks, go to London... weekend again.
[Martine:] Mm.
[Nora:] Be nice wouldn't it?
[Martine:] Don't think there's much chance of that....
[Nora:] Eh there'll be hundreds sent in though won't there?
[Mike:] Oh aye.
[Nora:] Bound to be.... Cos our now she brought his Spillers.... Growing erm parsley in a... container....
[Martine:] I don't understand, it says [reading] Spillers is on the look out for Britain's twelve most appealing dogs... to appear on the Prime calendar nineteen ninety three []. Then a bit lower down it says [reading] eight semi finalists will be selected for a final judging in April [].
[Mike:] Well I suppose... they'll, you send them all in then there's eight semi finalists
[Nora:] Aye.
[Mike:] and then they'll just pick one out of that to go on as part of the calendar.
[Martine:] Mm....
[Mike:] For one of the months, I would have thought. The way, that's the way I read it anyway.
[Nora:] Oh aye yes, a big calendar where you... turn over
[Mike:] Mm
[Nora:] with a different dog on.
[Martine:] Oh, so th and then... Prime themselves will get the others, it's just they want one.
[Mike:] I would have thought so. I think that's what it'll be myself.
[Martine:] Oh right....
[Mike:] I mean if you sent that one in with his head on his cushion... er erm I don't suppose there'll be anybody else is gonna send one in like that.
[Nora:] No.
[Mike:] People's gonna be sending them in with with the dog
[Nora:] Dog standing.
[Mike:] standing there or doing
[Nora:] Aye.
[Mike:] whatever.
[Martine:] Mm.
[Mike:] But that one it, they might say oh you know, bloody hell that's
[Nora:] That's unusual.
[Mike:] good you know. That'd be nice to have on the calendar sort of thing.
[Nora:] Mm.
[Mike:] I know we, you haven't got a cat in bloody hell's chance of us going but
[Nora:] No, there's no harm in...
[Mike:] Oh no....
[Nora:] sending it. Good god it... Our Susan will be thrilled to bits if you went again.
[Mike:] Aye....
[Nora:] Aye Alison said you want her to come home don't you? Well aye I said to her as long as she'll come home safe and sound it's all that matters innit?... I said erm... I said to Alison... oh aye cos she rang up the other day and I asked her if she'd found a fella. Oh aye she said,. Aye Alison said, she said... she said no she's not interested [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] oh [].
[Martine:] [yawning] We'll have to go []
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Nora:] No I say she done modelling over there. Ooh she said they... they're all foreign she said she wouldn't be able to understand talking....
[Mike:] Shall we make a move then?
[Martine:] Yeah.... Ooh, go and watch Maigret.
[Nora:] Aye....
[Martine:] Ooh
[Nora:] Aye. Knocking the place
[Mike:] It's had some knocks that bugger, it's never come down yet.
[Nora:] It did come down once. Do you remember I had to have erm... I rang Michelle and er what do you call it's dad come out. One of the.
[Mike:] Oh aye.
[Nora:] He couldn't believe
[Mike:] Oh I don't remember.
[Nora:] come through the damn ceiling.
[Martine:] Right
[Nora:] Right
[Martine:] Come on.
[Mike:] Right.
[Nora:] Sure you'll not, not miss the sheet tonight?
[Mike:] Mm, take it if you want.
[Nora:] It's in the
[Martine:] Oh take it tomorrow, won't be washing
[Nora:] No I know you're washing today
[Mike:] Oh.
[Martine:] Got stuff to dry there now.
[Nora:] Aye.
[Mike:] Oh doesn't matter. Right.
[Nora:] with the weather being so bad.
[Martine:] Yeah. Take a few days to dry, but they dry eventually.
[Nora:] Aye well bring some tomorrow Michael.
[Mike:] Aye we'll see how we get on.
[Nora:] Right.
[Mike:] Take care then.
[Martine:] Right bolt this door after us.
[Nora:] I will love. Okey-dokey
[Mike:] Bye.
[Martine:] Ta ra Norah see you tomorrow.
[Mike:] See you.
[Nora:] Bye....
[Mike:] ...
[Martine:] Isn't it horrible?
[Mike:] ...
[Martine:] Mm.... I'm getting... innit?... [yawn] I bet she'll bloody wait up for Susan to ring.
[Mike:] Oh I expect so, aye. Susan won't ring. She said to her in the week when she rung she won't ring until... I thought it was like midnight last night she was getting in and she wasn't gonna ring till today but it'll be tomorrow she'll ring her.
[Martine:] Yeah. She'll wait up.... Sure as eggs is eggs.... As long as she doesn't bloody ring us to say oh Susan's just rung. I'll clonk her if she does....... You know what she's like.... [yawning] Ooh it's quiet innit []?
[Mike:] Surely is.
[Martine:] Must be cos it's so horrible.... [sigh]... Did you say you were working with Roy tomorrow?
[Mike:] Well I might be, I don't know. Bloody... ballbag'll probably phone me in the morning or something. I might be going to er... Ellesmere Port, there's coffin stones to get up, they've got er... hoist thing there so... I don't know.
[Martine:] Yeah?
[Mike:] I might be there or I might be... with Roy, I don't know....
[Martine:] Will you be home any earlier than you have been?...
[Mike:] We might try and put all the on tomorrow and if they do they'll just work till they get them on.... I don't know.
[Martine:] I think.
[Mike:] what I was thinking.
[Martine:] Eh?
[Mike:] what I was thinking then....
[Martine:] [yawning] Oh god I can't stop yawning [].... Pop the lock on.... I can take these if you bring the grey bag.
[Mike:] Right....
[Martine:] ... Sally's off tomorrow and Tuesday as well.
[Mike:] I think she...
[Will:] One of the jobs we are doing is to identify what schemes they're planning that they won't need to build.
[Michael:] That's not possible.
[Martine:] If you need a larger one that that
[Will:] That's what it says.
[Martine:] I've got a
[Michael:] No but
[Martine:] template.
[Michael:] on a bridge bit
[Will:] Why not?
[Michael:] It's, it's... that's really linked to do we need to do the Caernarvon link if we're doing the bypass? Do they need to do the... they've proposed that they to bypass erm if we're doing the Caernarvon bypass. Well can they detrunk that bit?
[Will:] Well it doesn't say that.
[Michael:] Well can they detrunk that bit?
[Will:] responsibility not
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Will:] theirs if they put the bypass in....
[Michael:] So what came out of this, well it could be
[Jim:] So are they looking to build a bypass first?
[Will:] The gut reaction this morning is we could end up... with a bypass scheme at the end of it and no Caernarvon link....
[Michael:] Oh that's no good is it?
[Will:] Of course it is. Cos we're still continuing designing a Caernarvon link....
[Michael:] four percent fee. Mind you it's, it's a smaller job....
[Will:] What's smaller?
[Michael:] Well if they're doing that then we s we're looking to make this a dual carriageway... on the Richard principle that if it's a trunk road it's worth building a dual, a dual carriageway.
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Will:] If you can convince him on traffic grounds fair enough....
[Michael:] So they're serious
[Will:] Course the initial thing is we get some reaction back from this, this
[Michael:] so they're seriously looking to... the trunk road network coming down bypass and then going off round the Caernarvon bypass?
[speaker001:] [whispering] []
[Michael:] Or is that just...
[Will:] That wasn't er... Ray 's view. That was this other guy's view. Based on this other scheme really he said oh yes.
[Michael:] But which,whi which other guy?
[Will:] This Ve [clears throat] Vernon whatever his name is.
[Michael:] The are proposing this.... They won't want that. They wo they won't
[Will:] But the the guy that's looking after the schemes
[Michael:] Yeah.
[Will:] guy.
[Michael:] He's what?
[Will:] He's looking after the schemes for the leisure office....
[Michael:] Oh! Oh he wasn't from. Sorry I thought he was
[Will:] He was from the leisure office looking after the....
[Michael:] Right. Got it.
[Will:] That's what it's, he's interest
[Michael:] Right. Yes. Very good. Well
[Will:] Right.
[Michael:] have a lovely meeting. Seminar
[Will:] I will yes.
[Michael:] Er you're going on this thing at the end of the month?
[Will:] Meetings... yes.
[Michael:] There'd appear to be out of this office.
[Will:] There seems to be an awful lot of us going, yeah. I'll o I'll only be there Friday morning and Saturday. I won't be there Friday afternoon... since I'm taking my son to the dentist.
[Michael:] I do wonder if it's really w er I mean... Okay. See you tomorrow.
[Will:] You won't. I'm in Chester all day tomorrow.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Will:] Manchester all day Wednesday. L E C visit Thursday, Friday....
[Martine:] Busy man.
[Michael:] I'd better get me timesheet out of
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Will:] It's signed.
[Michael:] Oh it's signed. Oh that's alright.... We don't want bothering us do we?...
[Martine:] Er where were we?
[Michael:] Mm?
[Martine:] Where were we?...
[Jim:] We were drawing up plans.
[Michael:] It looks as though we're gonna be doing some extra survey work.
[Martine:] Mm.... Ah that's what I was saying... what
[Michael:] Yeah, now
[Martine:] detail on roundabouts.
[Michael:] right. How much staff did we use? Can, can you... The erm... the Ormskirk
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Michael:] Oh, that's a pity.... track of methodology but
[speaker001:] push to get Steve... today. Well I left a message with his saying
[Michael:] Were any of these four arm rou it's a five arm roundabout isn't it? Were any of these four arm roundabouts?
[speaker001:] Yes
[Michael:] We did that one didn't we?
[speaker001:] We need to do these
[Martine:] Yeah that was roundabout. That was a six arm.
[Michael:] And we did... that one.
[Martine:] Yeah that was a
[Michael:] That's five arms isn't it?
[Martine:] five.
[Michael:] What other ones did we do? That one there?
[Martine:] Hello Charlie. We did, yeah, we did the here. That was a five arm.... Well these down here... about fifteen or sixteen
[Michael:] Oh yeah well th yeah
[Martine:] the motorways were four arm....
[Michael:] How many staff do we need to do that then?
[Martine:] The full turn in... count.
[Michael:] Suppose, well... supposing we count ins and outs and the
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Michael:] sample.
[Martine:] Right.... You need one... t... to... where, where were, where we talking about now? St David. See you're gonna get some busier than others.
[Michael:] Yes.
[Martine:] If they were all as busy as each other you've gotta have one doing ins and one doing outs. But on quiet roads, one person can do ins and outs....
[speaker001:] I'll er I'll Yeah just get something done and I'll be back Okay. And we'll go through it.
[Martine:] On the Queensferry bypass, on the interchange there it was five hours.
[speaker001:] It's only really a four and a half hour roundabout isn't it?
[Michael:] Yes but one is out and
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Yeah.... So you can... obviously that's gonna just be one person. One person could do a two way on a quiet arm but the others are gonna need... one person to do ins, one person to do outs.... And one person at each arm doing a sample....
[Michael:] So you've got... nine... plus four... Did we do a sample all day?...
[Martine:] No, just in the peak hours they're sampling.
[Michael:] Didn't we do them off peak as well? We should have done them off peak as well shouldn't we?
[Martine:] I don't know. I mean Jan did those. I think it was just peak hours....
[Michael:] Er... [sigh] It's gonna take thirteen people isn't it?...
[Martine:] Yeah, I mean if it was peaks only I mean there's nothing to stop me doing it....
[Michael:] Well I appreciate that. Or you use it, you put everybody on in the peaks
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Michael:] and then you, you...
[Martine:] You use the
[Michael:] cutback
[Martine:] In the off, in the off peak they rotate the staff and
[Michael:] I'm not The thing is what you're assuming then is that the pattern in the peak hour... is typical for the day as a whole. That's not right is it?...
[Martine:] Mm... maybe not.
[Michael:] Well you'll get a different pattern in the morning peak and the evening peak for a start won't you?
[Martine:] Mhm....
[Michael:] Mind you maybe you won't.... Depends, what you're really concerned about is how does the proportion of traffic... split to left and right and... straight ahead isn't it?... If that pattern basically stays the same... then you've got, the volume, the flow will go up and down. Mm right.... But if we did a full turning count how would we do that? You can't do it can you?
[Martine:] It's not realistic.... You have to do... if you're doing that you have to have all the ins and outs plus a circulation flow....
[Michael:] Yeah.
[Martine:] And I've never done one like that. We've always... you know, found a way round it.
[Michael:] What we did before, was we did counting in flows and circulating.... I think what we would do... supposing we didn't, supposing we just had... heavy vehicles and light vehicles?... That's gonna make things a lot easier isn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah well we, for Queensferry we just had... three classes. Motorbikes, cars, light goods... H G V including two three and four axle and buses... for the, for the whole count, now for the samples... Rob didn't even want it classified. It was just a vehicle regardless... of what it was.
[Michael:] Yeah.... I suppose we could do a classified count... er on the A four eight seven sort of a bit away if we wanted a proper classified count couldn't we?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Michael:] Separate, on another day.
[Martine:] Yeah....
[Michael:] Or we could just use whatever we get at the interview side.... Erm... perhaps the thing to do is to look at... how it varied in nineteen eighty six. Did you get that report out? Yes you did.... How it varied between the two sides.... There's three thousand one hundred there.
[Martine:] Mhm....
[Michael:] That's two way.... On a twelve hour day. So assu you're talking about, well supposing that 's grown, it may be four thousand, so you're talking about two thousand tr vehicles in the interview direction... over twelve hours.... So you're gonna want to interview... forty percent right?... How many do you think you'll need? Do you think you'll need... if you have t a team of four on, is that a half team or a six team?
[Martine:] A half. A four.... We did have... we worked a six team but it's not as easy to work out.
[Michael:] I'm only thinking that... you've got somebody counting?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Michael:] There's one person counting?
[Martine:] Two.
[Michael:] Two people counting.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Michael:] One's on a break.
[Martine:] Two....
[Michael:] Sorry?
[Martine:] Oh... what are you on about now? When th there's a half team?
[Michael:] A half team.
[Martine:] Right yeah. If there's... a half team one people, one person counting... one on a break and two interviewing.... And they have a break every three hours....
[Michael:] Can one person count and cope... with that sort of flow?...
[Martine:] No I'd want two people.
[Michael:] Two people counting?
[Martine:] Oh what are you on about now? On this... this quieter roa oh right. Er yeah one person would be alright.
[Michael:] That's the same sort of flow as we had a Birkdale Cop.
[Martine:] Mm.
[Michael:] Isn't it?
[Martine:] We only had half a team there.
[Michael:] Right. Yep that's alright then.... Well my feeling on the roundabout is that we need to do, count ins and outs... and do a sample.
[Martine:] Okay....
[Michael:] And erm... I think that's the thing to do.
[Martine:] Yeah. See the, so say if we, like you just said, we need thirteen people
[Michael:] Mm.
[Martine:] but there's only gonna be two days.... If we've got two roundabouts there's only gonna be two days when we need that thirteen people. So when we're
[Michael:] Two roundabouts?...
[Martine:] There's that other roundabout isn't there? You know where the horses were in the field?... That was a four armed roundabout.
[Michael:] [sigh]...
[Martine:] Just down from...
[Michael:] Yeah.
[Martine:] the station house place where we parked
[Michael:] You'll find that erm... the flows there are very low.
[Martine:] So you think we could get away with treating that as a crossroads and have people
[Michael:] I reckon
[Martine:] doing that?
[Michael:] I reckon...
[Martine:] Well we could have a person counting and not only are they counting what's coming out of their junction, but they could do left, straight on or right.... Treat it as a crossroads... perhaps.
[Michael:] I reckon... si yes four or six people would cover that, no problem.... I think you'll find the flow is a... a low
[Martine:] it wasn't busy when we were there was it?
[Michael:] No I mean it may be, you know you... i it may be reasonably busy straight through but I would have thought even there you're probably talking about four... not a lot higher than that I wouldn't have thought.
[Martine:] No.... Okay I'll take four people
[Michael:] And erm we're going very round very slow.
[Martine:] And the visibility was good and everything.
[Michael:] So I'd have thought that erm... you could put four or six, four or six people on that. And actually if we just counted this... to through traffic wouldn't be too much [phone rings] Hello... right....
[Martine:] your pudding?
[Jim:] What erm... have you heard any of it? you have. What did it sound like?
[Martine:] It's good. We both just said that it ne... you'd never think that you sound right on... tape. I always think I sound high pitched.... sounds all like bloody what she does say.
[speaker001:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]... [wolf whistles]...
[Martine:] Nearly didn't recognize you there Jimbo....
[Jim:] Me?
[Martine:] No, sorry another Jim.
[Jim:] Oh.
[Martine:] Jim with a suit on. Must be going to a funeral.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Or going for an interview.
[Martine:] I've just seen [LAUGHTER] yeah [] he must have an interview.
[speaker001:] Ooh....
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Oh god [].... You'll never guess who was in the pub yesterday.
[speaker001:] You're right.... No!
[Martine:] Mm....
[Jim:] I'm afraid.
[Martine:] Mm. I just heard you, heard you twang [LAUGHTER] twanging your ruler. Doing.
[speaker001:] Twanging?...
[Martine:] Twanging.... Did you, did anybody see that film about erm... st the stolen cars? The other night, what? Friday night.
[Jim:] Mm no.
[speaker001:] No. What station was that on?
[Martine:] Erm I dunno, it was one of these er documentary type things and it was just like all organized crime, they were just... erm saying of all, all the things that they get up to you know, cutting... using a stolen car
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Martine:] or a write off car and joining them and welding them
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] down the middle. Cos that's what happened to Brian, you know when Brian had his Orion nicked? got stopped in
[speaker001:] the cars or something?
[Martine:] Little Sutton cars. And then, it's taking him ages to get
[speaker001:] Has he got it now though?
[Martine:] Yeah.... But er the things that they were doing were just unbelievable. Erm you know to get the chassis numbers and that. buying old... say a scrapped... a written off Sierra you know, picking them up cheap for about a thousand quid from the scrappy
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] and then getting all the... the chassis numbers and that and welding them on to these stolen cars and...... Because what, you know, er Siobhan's dad had a, bought a Montego... and... I don't know how it came about but they discovered that erm it had a diff I mean it's had a Maestro engine in it and it had this that and the other. And er they had to repossess it and he was paying. And I don't know how, what's happened about it now but at the time he was still having to pay for it
[Jim:] Mhm.
[Martine:] even though they'd taken the car.... there was a woman there that erm... the... police do this service thing where they'll look a car over for you, if you bought a car that you know has been er... in an accident and it's been
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] they will have a look at it over... and check it over. And there was a woman on it, she had a really nice Orion, a J reg. Anyway when they... had a good look at it the front half was an Escort... and the back half was an Orion, half a stolen car. You know they hadn't even matched the same bloody... type of car.
[speaker001:] There's not really a lot of difference though is there between
[Jim:] There is
[Martine:] Well there isn't and I I said to Mike what did it look like, you know? He said it was nice. But when they're doing these welding jobs they haven't got them on those things so... as they're doing it like it's all moving and...
[Jim:] Yeah. Yeah they're totally
[Martine:] it was just a complete bodge.
[Jim:] I if you're driving along you can throw out the balance of the car.
[Martine:] Yeah. Well it was that erm one in Manchester, that crash... you know there was three people killed in the middle of Manchester wasn't there?...
[speaker001:] Oh I seem to remember something like that.
[Martine:] Erm and the car just broke up in half and that was, that had been... er... welded but like the police are saying as... well as soon as they sort of get wise to what they're doing and they find a way to... er you know, get on to them, they devised something else. And the people doing it in these garages erm, you know like respraying and... doing all the welding and everything, really he said some of the things they were doing... if they did it legally they'd make a... good go of it
[speaker001:] Mm.
[Martine:] they were that good at what they were doing....
[speaker001:] Tell me was I dreaming... or did I see a sketch on T V where there's a car driving round, down the road being chased by the police... and the driver said to the passenger er here take this... and he says what's that for and he says it's to steer the car, presses a button... and the car splits
[Martine:] It's an advert for Malcolm.
[speaker001:] the car s the car split in two.
[Jim:] yeah.
[Martine:] A yellow car. It's an advert for that film called Malcolm
[speaker001:] Is that what it was?
[Martine:] about the
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] retarded lad that invented all these strange... and he did bank robberies with a remote control car.... It was an advert, it wasn't
[Jim:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] But I did see it on the T V?
[Martine:] Oh you did.
[speaker001:] Oh that's fine. [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Straight after er... the advert for Del-boy when he says and you know what you can do with that.
[Jim:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] ...
[Jim:] Even talking about... trailers now....
[Martine:] Trainers?
[Jim:] Talking about te television trailers.
[Martine:] Oh, oh yeah.
[Jim:] Not just the programmes.
[Martine:] There was a programme on about trailers the other night as well.... Have you seen the, the advert for these trainers with no laces, you just tighten the thing up.
[speaker001:] Puma Discus system. They're out on the twenty of March or something.
[Martine:] Mm. I wonder how much they're gonna be a pair?
[speaker001:] Dunno. La laces are a thing of the past. Watch this space or something.
[Martine:] Yeah. Something like that. I thought it was a built in egg timer or something....
[Jim:] Obviously another time saving device.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] To save you what... say thirty seconds?
[Martine:] Oh at least....
[Jim:] Ah there's no point getting cynical is there?
[Martine:] Not at this time of the day, no.
[Jim:] Not on a Monday. Rest of the week.
[Martine:] Exactly.... Where did he go?
[Jim:] I thought you were going out?
[speaker001:] I... I'm... finishing early but I'm not go going out.... [cough]
[Martine:] Watch you don't er swallow that the wrong way.
[speaker001:] I didn't even have anything in me mouth. Sharp intake of breath.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Excuse me? [LAUGHTER]...
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] For their telephone number I've just put a question mark... and I've put a note here to say I was internally transferred. [LAUGHTER]
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] S sounds like I've had an operation doesn't it?... I'm being internally transferred [].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]... Oh. Someone pressed the I C M button.
[Martine:] Yeah.... Oh... I told you didn't I that... er the fellow with the Portakabins that does work for the B B C, he had the Portakabin and then your tables are two pound each, and your chairs range from fifty pence to one pound fifty.... I think the ones that are fifty pence are those blue and white striped ones off the [LAUGHTER] prom at Prestatyn []
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] job lot. And er... he didn't say how much the toilet was but that'll probably be separate.... You know, it's a separate thing so there must be a separate price, it would cost a bloody fortune.... And the visibility didn't seem very good out of them. But the smallest one, the twelve foot ones, there's only one window. The door's in the back end.... Erm... so I presume that was the opposite end to where the tow bar would be
[speaker001:] Mm.
[Martine:] and then just one window in it.... Maybe just down the length of one side.
[speaker001:] Or even just at the end.
[Martine:] Yeah. No I think it was down the side I think he said. But I... I think that'll be too expensive anyway.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Martine:] And that's why Mr said he... he'd er
[speaker001:] He'd do it, yeah....
[Martine:] And we know where we are then with the toilet.... You know, you know what you're getting don't you?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Jim:] How much?
[speaker001:] Yeah it'd be erm... Jim said there would be no problem because his men have to empty their own chemical loos anyway. But the bowl coupling could be a problem. He said but we'll sort it out, don't worry love.... They're all very nice... people.... They have got an accent... this 's got one... but he sounds more Lancashire than anything. And he's nowhere near. Perhaps he's just moved there.
[Martine:] Mm.... I'll have to er... give her a ring to and tell them to send me the advert. Tell them to buy.
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Jim:] When does it go out?
[Martine:] I don't know. Today....
[speaker001:] Is it going in The Post?
[Martine:] No. Didn't we tell you that?... To have it in er... Daily Post, The Post is the morning one... The Echo's the evening... to have it in for one day in The Post and The Echo, how much?
[speaker001:] Dunno, about eighty quid....
[Martine:] Three hundred and ninety six pound sixty four pence.
[speaker001:] So you said we'll have it in all week? [LAUGHTER]...
[Jim:] How big was the advert?...
[Martine:] Er about a hundred words in a box. Two columns wide and... erm eight centimetres down. We reckoned that was about quarter of a page.
[speaker001:] It's a lot of money isn't it?
[Martine:] But see... the reason... I have to send this to Liverpool for them to put it in
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Martine:] cos it has to go through our advertising agents. Cos we advertise in a special format don't we? We have the... dash lines round the box
[speaker001:] Mm.
[Martine:] and we have the logo on the bottom and that. So they've had to do it so... I mean she quoted me thirty six quid for this... thirty six eighty four or something for the local paper. But erm... you know it might be more but that's
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[Martine:] nothing to do with me.... But I mean like... I didn't think it was worth putting it in The Post to start off with anyway. But if we don't get a good response to this I might stick it in for the day... in The Post.
[speaker001:] Mhm.... Is the secretary at dealing with it or is she gonna forward it all on to you?
[Martine:] No I've put our address. I said that I didn't like that idea to start off with
[speaker001:] No well it
[Martine:] because although it's only a small concern she's gonna have her own stuff to do.
[speaker001:] It's not just that it's the delay in it getting to you anyway.
[Martine:] Yeah and plus the fact I said to Mike... it's all very well saying send stuff there, she can open it... she'd be no wiser whether they sound any good or not.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[Martine:] So I said no I said, well I've put the phone number as well and I said it might as well, stuff might as well come straight here.
[speaker001:] Mhm....
[Martine:] So I'll give her a ring later in the week or something and I'll see if they'll send me the... send me the
[speaker001:] Mhm....
[Martine:] Policing do you the drop the E, or do you leave the E in?
[speaker001:] In. Policing.
[Martine:] Erm I'd have thought you dropped it. What shall I say cos it's... it's not a very
[speaker001:] Sergeant said he would be happy to help with the policing... Oh
[Martine:] If you drop the E it looks like policing doesn't it?...
[speaker001:] put it in.
[Martine:] yeah, I think maybe you keep it in.... It's not a very nice word is it?...
[speaker001:] ...... [LAUGHTER] []
[Martine:] Well I'm just coming to [LAUGHTER] ask you that []
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Staffing.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Double F....
[Michael:] Have you got the twenty five hundred plans?
[Martine:] I haven't got any just at the moment. Er Sergeant... will be
[Michael:] Beg your pardon?...
[Martine:] Sergeant
[Michael:] Oh yes?
[Martine:] erm very pleased to help us. As soon as we've got the... layouts he'd like to meet us and go out to site. He seems very keen to help us do this.
[Michael:] Right what about the er recruiting and the police cover?
[Martine:] He's
[Michael:] So do we need to write
[Martine:] He said on the blower
[speaker001:] I've started it. Yeah it's about... two hundred and twenty four pages. Is that all?
[Michael:] Yeah
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Well he is. He says he will do it himself. And I said they will require... cover for their breaks... he fell down on that one, he doesn't think those two days. He said oh yes, yes... they could have a sandwich. He seems very
[Michael:] Good. Excellent.... Right....
[Martine:] Mm that doesn't...
[speaker001:] They're in the same...
[Martine:] any records of, we had this discussion I have er any rec any, every telephone call I make....
[speaker001:] Right
[Martine:] But that's because Well that's right. I mean it's a case, and then you end up saying yes and you don't need to record every telephone call
[speaker001:] They're in the same drawer as the memos. They're in the bottom...
[Martine:] Well I mean she could Yeah and the alternative you know Mi Mike's made calls in the past. That's always been very important and that should be the letter so that should be on on the, on the
[Will:] must be a good microphone stand surely?...
[Martine:] Brilliant
[Will:] The purpose of the meeting is only to record conversations.
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Martine:] Right.... Let's see where we're going....
[Will:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Okay, just to put you in the picture where
[Will:] No it's alright. Go on. Yes.
[Martine:] I've had several telephone calls... well I've made them as well. The advert has gone in. I've done all enquiries about putting the advert in for the temps.
[Will:] Yes.
[Martine:] It went to Liverpool on Friday... and they were gonna do their best... to get it done... and
[Will:] Do we know when it goes in the er
[Martine:] I think... I told Liverpool that if it gets to... erm... Caernarvon to the... Caernarvon office by today it will appear in this week's issue.
[Will:] Do we know when that comes out?
[Martine:] No, I couldn't get that off her....
[Will:] Off who?
[Martine:] Well I asked the girl and the she, we sort of sidetracked and... when I come off the phone I realized that she hadn't said. I think it's
[Will:] What I'm thinking of is that
[Martine:] Thursday or something like that.
[Will:] Presumably after that we w or on that date we'll start to get phone calls?
[Martine:] This is true.
[Will:] And we need to be prepared
[Martine:] Yep.
[Will:] because obviously er... I mean if you're in
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Will:] they can be rung through to you but p erm will need to be warned that we may get a flood of phone calls
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Will:] and what they're about. And also I think it might be as well to have a pro forma. Probably you've got one.
[Martine:] Yeah, well no we haven't so we could probably do with doing
[Will:] Oh
[Martine:] that and then, you know like if I get inundated I can let Jim do some.
[Jim:] Well that's right. I mean really it, it's erm... er we, we have a form don't we we, we use when people are interviewed for something or other? Well if we put their name and address and phone number on it, I mean... it's probably just as well to use a standard thing that you can xerox.
[Martine:] Yeah. Maybe Jim and I could
[Jim:] And when they ring up
[Martine:] do that this avo
[Jim:] Yeah. When they ring up we can just say oh yes, what's your?... Now look this is meant to record
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jim:] [LAUGHTER] this, this, this is meant to record life as it is lived, English as she is spoken. [LAUGHTER] You're not meant to bite your tongue like that. [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Right. Yeah if we
[Jim:] You can swear in the privacy of your own home.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jim:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] It was your company that I didn't want to swear in front of
[Jim:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] not the tape actually
[Jim:] yes alright
[Martine:] No if we er do something so as they have a checklist and we can all, you know like me and Jim say, have a copy to say oh right, can we take your name and address, telephone number And if you've got a pad of them or or, or some by you you can just fill it in and let it go through. Yeah that'd be a good idea
[Jim:] Write the name and address and phone number down and then
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] it's there.
[Martine:] Okay I'll buy that.
[Jim:] Cos you you'll almost certainly need to ring them back.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Even if it's to say erm
[Martine:] Oh sorry!
[Jim:] sorry we've got enough.
[Martine:] Yeah okay.... Erm and that also makes sure, if you've got it all in front of you, erm that ensures that you're getting all the information that you need rather than thinking oh hang on, what else do I need sort of thing.
[Jim:] Right, so that's the temporary staff....
[Martine:] Yep.
[Jim:] So what we haven't made any progress on... beyond, on that side of things is erm... if we do the coding over in Caernarvon, where that will be.
[Martine:] Yeah. Erm like I think we all sort of ruled out er
[Jim:] I don't think it's big enough is it?
[Martine:] Because of the size, no. Er just out of interest I did ring the other day
[Jim:] Yeah right.
[Martine:] Er... the... the room, the smallest room they have is for twenty five to thirty people
[Jim:] Mm.
[Martine:] which I mean even that may be too big for what we want. Erm in any case that is in use every week on a Monday and a Wednesday.... So already you're only talking
[Jim:] There was a thing about exams. Wasn't it... didn't you ring them up and they said we have exams on or something?
[Martine:] No....
[Will:] That must be something
[Martine:] Something goes on in that room on a Monday and a Wednesday.
[Jim:] Which room is that?
[Martine:] That's... the, I've got it in the file, a small conference room or something like that, or the committee room or something it's called.
[Jim:] Cos there is a room called the navigation room.
[Martine:] No that wasn't an... that wasn't an option. There was this one for twenty five to thirty people and then there was another one for say forty or fifty and then it... zoomed up to like a hundred. And even if we were to use this
[Jim:] Oh I know now, yes.
[Martine:] small room, you couldn't leave anything on the walls so it would all be a... come down at night, back up in the morning
[Jim:] What erm er did you look in the file and see what they hired last time?...
[Martine:] Erm... no.
[Jim:] Cos it may
[Martine:] I mean I've probably seen it
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] but I can't remember.
[Jim:] Cos probably it will say what room it was.
[Martine:] Yeah it was this small, I
[Jim:] It may well have been ano
[Martine:] think it was this... I thought it was the small
[Jim:] Oh it was that one was it?
[Martine:] Well you're talking now
[Jim:] Anyway
[Martine:] Do you want me to get it?...
[Jim:] Er have you got it on your desk?
[Martine:] Yes.
[Jim:] Oh right...
[Will:] How many days are we talking about anyway? coding data.
[Jim:] Couple of weeks I suppose.
[Will:] Right....
[Jim:] No wait a minute, three sites... you're talking about a week and a half or something aren't we?
[Martine:] Yeah. Fortnight at the most.
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Cos you've got to allow for like they might not have done it before. Erm... but you're talking fifty eight pound a day
[Jim:] Mm.
[Martine:] for that small room which I think's a bit steep personally....
[Jim:] Let me take a look.
[Martine:] It's er...
[Jim:] It's possible that you did get on the... the...
[Martine:] It crossed my mind....
[Jim:] There's The Oak's room. Can't
[Martine:] The Oak's room up to a hundred and twenty.
[Jim:] Four pound per hour.... Sixteen pound a day. And what are you saying it is now?
[Martine:] Fifty eight pound a day.
[Jim:] That's an awful lot more isn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah. There's... I mean so many of them have caught on. Jan for example, when we had the... the town hall thing, that was five pound a day.
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] It's twenty five pound a day now. I think they've just all jumped on the bandwagon.
[Jim:] They don't provide anything really do they?
[Martine:] Well no, that's it.... So as soon as she said that it was in use Monday Wednesday I sort of
[Jim:] If we went to
[Martine:] subconsciously ruled it out.
[Jim:] village hall, church hall
[Will:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []? [LAUGHTER]...
[Jim:] which is a church hall, they don't have a charge, you have to make a contribution....
[Martine:] Where's this sorry?...
[Jim:] Well you, you need to, it's pretty grotty, it's a grim place
[Martine:] Mm.
[Jim:] but it's er it's the church... the parish hall... in.... Whether they've got tables and stuff like that I'm not sure.
[Martine:] Mm.
[Jim:] If you ring Roger
[Martine:] Yeah
[Jim:] and ask him. He... did investigate having a public enquiry there last year.... And erm... so he will have a phone number of the vicar and so on.
[Martine:] Mm okay. Okay....
[Jim:] I mean in a w well... I can't, did we, I wonder if we recharge this to the Welsh Office or not? We probably do. Probably doesn't matter does it?...
[Martine:] No I would have thought
[Jim:] The other thing might be to ring up Borough Council... cos they've got offices in Caernarvon.... Suppose that... that place they might, there might be a er a parish hall there or something
[Martine:] That pub would be alright wouldn't it?
[Jim:] [LAUGHTER]
[Will:] Yeah....
[Martine:] Okay, or
[Jim:] That would be twenty five pound a day as well, or fifty pound a day as well.... Anyway it's a thought. I mean if we have to er obviously what you're saying with it's already in use and we can't have it?
[Martine:] Yeah. It's not erm... it's no good just saying oh we can have three days out of the week anyway.
[Jim:] No.
[Martine:] You know, it's gotta be Monday to Friday or none at all hasn't it?
[Jim:] Mm. Well if it was four days it would be alright but
[Martine:] Mm.
[Jim:] anyway...
[Martine:] Okay so they're a few options to try as regards the coding
[Jim:] Alright and if we can't find anyway where we'll have to... out and come back here.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] problem as well.
[Martine:] I think we, we should find somewhere.
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Really. Erm so that's a few options as regards the coding.... Now...
[Jim:] Right
[Martine:] The interviewing... and the briefing session I think we'll probably get away with in... Debbie 's...
[Jim:] Yeah we're not going to, I mean we're only going to... we're, we're
[Martine:] Well it's not a sort of formal interview
[Jim:] we'll only be briefing the interview staff
[Martine:] That's right.
[Jim:] and accounts staff.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] So we're only talking about half a dozen
[Martine:] Well... I think it's slightly more.
[Jim:] Well eight or ten or something isn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Thanks.
[Martine:] Thanks.... Yeah you're talking about a dozen people, something like that aren't you?... I mean for that er
[Jim:] Well if necessary we can bring them into here.
[Martine:] Yeah....
[Jim:] Half a dozen and half a dozen
[Martine:] Yeah. That's, I can't see that being a problem, that should be okay.
[Will:] Have you briefed before?
[Martine:] Yeah. Well Mike comes out. Mike shows his face doesn't he? Well he did for the Wigan one.
[Jim:] I did it for the erm Ormskirk one
[Martine:] Yeah. That was okay wasn't it?...
[Jim:] We did that in two shifts didn't we? Two days.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Two mornings.
[Martine:] We had a hell of a lot of staff though didn't we? That was a, we did that in the conference room downstairs.
[Will:] Mm....
[Jim:] Erm right.... What w w
[Martine:] And anyway
[Jim:] we now, we've, we've also got to progress on site layout and things haven't we?
[Martine:] Yes.
[Jim:] And get in... er... the cones and signs.
[Martine:] Yeah I've had... er
[Jim:] we, we, you've got...... we've got to wait till tomorrow haven't we?
[Martine:] That's right, yeah.
[Will:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Now as regards signs I've spoke to numerous, oh... school holidays I've got... erm
[speaker001:] [cough]
[Martine:] when the schools are off.
[Jim:] Right.
[Martine:] I spoke to the Education Department on Friday.... Erm... as regards a caravan I spoke to this bloke... Frank No he's gone bust. Well he hasn't gone bust but they don't hire them any more
[Jim:] Oh right.
[Martine:] but I did try him. Er no Gwyllam at Gwyneth County Council
[Jim:] Gwyllam... oh no I'm thinking of Peter.
[Martine:] erm... he didn't think they had any bilingual signs and they didn't have... they weren't using their Portakabins so they scrapped them all last year... sold them off.
[Jim:] Mm.
[Martine:] But he did give me somebody to ring about caravans
[Jim:] Mm.
[Martine:] but then later on in the day he rung back and said he had found some... bilingual signs but all he's got were about four foot square... er with census point ahead.... He hasn't got things like stop... census. Stop if required... or... slow census point which is the ones we use.
[Jim:] It might be worth asking erm... Mel
[Martine:] Yeah....
[Jim:] about that. You see for a start we need to decide to we need it. Do we need them
[Martine:] Bilingual?
[Jim:] bilingual? They can't have been bilingual last time because they were hired from Staffordshire County Council.
[Martine:] No. And the other thing er if they... they just haven't got anything like that.
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] They use sort of blank...
[Will:] Wasn't there a big fuss though because... there wasn't enough effort made on the bilingual side... the last survey we did?
[Jim:] I don't think so was there?
[Martine:] There's a letter in the file
[Will:] Well that's
[Martine:] about erm why we didn't use bilingual staff for one of the particular dates. Erm it come from the county surveyor, apparently he'd had complaints. But I mean it was purely a re a recruiting problem.... Er you know erm the letter, the reply went back from Dave saying that every... you know, possible thing was done to... get bilingual staff but at the end of the day... you know they couldn't come up with the goods. I mean the lengths they went to advertising, I hope we're gonna have more luck now. They had temping agencies, job centres, local papers... the job centre only came up with about two people. So I'm touching wood that we're gonna be in a different situation.
[Jim:] I wonder if, I wonder if erm... you know if you rang up erm... the county council and said... [LAUGHTER] you know []... I mean er... y just make use of a contact and say look, we wanna do this survey, you know, do you happen to know a any members of your family...
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] You know? It maybe
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] You can very often er for instance at Cheshire very often... I mean there were sort of some people's wives would like to do it.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] It may be, you know?
[Martine:] Yeah. See how the response goes with this and then
[Jim:] Who is it you've spoken to at Gwyneth?...
[Martine:] Er Gwyllam.
[Jim:] And where is he? Who, how did you get hold of him?
[Martine:] Erm...
[Jim:] You rang up, did you ring up Owen?...
[Martine:] Er no. I spoke... I just rung up erm it was Highways and Transportation and
[Jim:] Mm.
[Martine:] I asked to speak to somebody in the Highways... in the Transportation
[Jim:] Mm.
[Martine:] This was at Bangor and then I got another number... and then I got told that they now have the direct organisation
[Jim:] Right.
[Martine:] so then I rung this person here and spoke to a Steven
[Jim:] Mm.
[Martine:] who was the... head from the civi civil engineering division.
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Steven put me through to this Gwyllam
[Jim:] Right.
[Martine:] who is... in the, the depot place.
[Jim:] Right.
[Martine:] And that's how I got on to him....
[Jim:] Okay. So we've not spoken to anybody on the sort of like the traffic erm... counting side of things there?
[Martine:] No. No.
[Jim:] Okay.
[Martine:] So this fella was, he come up, he found these signs and said, you know, didn't know if they would be, be any good. Erm but he'd given me this number, Glen about Portakabins. Er he's at. And I rung this... Glen... er... wherever that is erm... and he does have these Portakabin things. Er several measurements
[Jim:] Is that, that's a hire company is it?
[Martine:] Yeah, they're like... they've got a big fleet of them. Erm
[Jim:] Right. But they're Portakabins?
[Martine:] Yeah, rather than caravans.
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Now I don't think they sound very... to suit our needs.
[Jim:] Well you have to furnish them as well don't you?
[Martine:] Well that's it. And there's all separate, two pound a table... from fifty pence to one pound fifty for a chair. There's no toilet in them
[Jim:] And you probably have to hire them by the week do you?
[Martine:] Er minimum of four weeks.
[Jim:] Yeah. And how do you move them around?
[Martine:] Well they would move them round... this fella himself, but it's gonna be a hell of a lot of money to get them to do that.
[Jim:] Mm that's what I would have thought.
[Martine:] Plus there's no toilet.
[Jim:] Exactly.
[Martine:] But he has a separate toilet. Well that's all gonna be extra as well.
[Jim:] Mm.
[Martine:] And erm
[Jim:] So how much you talking about? For a twelve foot one
[Martine:] Well you're talking
[Jim:] twenty two pounds?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] So you're talking about eighty eight quid?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] It would be cheaper to get David.
[Martine:] Yeah well I've spoke to David. He's quite willing to take the caravan out there. Erm... and then you've got the toilet on there. You know what you're getting because we've had it before. So then I got back on to Gwyllam and said that if we provided our own caravan, would you... someone there be willing to do the... from site to site and he said that wouldn't be a problem.
[Jim:] Right.
[Martine:] But he doesn't know any details.
[Jim:] Okay.
[Martine:] Er you know I mean just like we don't. We don't know dates or anything yet do we?
[Jim:] No.
[Martine:] So I think we've developed in that direction that I can go ahead as soon as I've got some dates and book it properly with Mr.
[Jim:] I think that's probably the best.
[Martine:] And just let these do the transporting because this... this fella honest to god he was doing me head in. Erm... saying oh one left, we've got a contract with the B B C you know, isn't it.
[Jim:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Oh and if he said it once well he said it half a dozen times... trying to impress me.... So let's stick to Mr. We know where we are with him.
[Jim:] Oh right, yes well I'm quite happy with that.
[Will:] Right.
[Jim:] Er so the only other thing are the automatic counters then isn't it?
[Will:] Mm.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] And we, we've got to wait for erm... Mel to be in tomorrow.... Haven't we?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Will:] And we're obviously going to ask him to...
[Jim:] He, he
[Will:] to go ahead with it.
[Jim:] looks after, I, I'm not sure exactly what he does, but he does sort of look after... the Welsh Office's own traffic counting programme.
[Will:] Mm.
[Jim:] They have a sort of programme of their own... on er doing counts on roads. I mean... a and most of it's done through the county councils. So we'll have certain sites that are counted and they have the, the equipment.... Er when we last did the work there in nineteen eighty nine he'd, he'd provided... Gwyneth with three machines which they moved round and put on different places for us. And I think they're ones that have a cartridge in. And the information's recorded on the cartridge. And they take the cartridge out and they send it down to Cardiff which is where Mel is
[Will:] Yeah.
[Jim:] and he chucks it into, bungs it into his machine and then gets the printout then which he then sends to wherever.
[Will:] Ah.
[Jim:] So what we, we need to go to him I think in the first instance and say we want to do X Y and Z, and if he, if he says fine... you know. But if he says I'm sorry, I haven't got the equipment we then have to go outside
[Will:] Yeah.
[Jim:] obviously but I think you need... clearly in the first instance to use that
[Martine:] And you're saying to also mention to me if he's got
[Jim:] Well I, it's just a thought. I mean if we're gonna be speaking to him we may as well ask whether
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] just to say that we, you know, that we'll, we, we're going, we're proposing to do some... origin destination surveys... interviewing, and we'll need the signing to go with it... that Gwyneth don't appear to have them and, and in consequence we're proposing to hire them elsewhere. Erm... and erm... you know, we know that last time it was done er the, the signs were not bilingual, the ones census point and so on
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] and that erm is he w er would, did he think that would be a problem.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Cos I think last time we hired them from Staffordshire and I'd have thought if they're going to buy some they will be very happy to hire us them. Cos presumably, when you look at the layout... most of the signs are keep left signs.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Or you get the... you get ones that are sort of road narrows
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] and you get the, the warning ones.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] And the warning ones have a little census... plate on. Erm... so presumably you perhaps need to do something about that. But the keep left ones they're gonna have in stock aren't they?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] So the only ones you really need... and, and the, and the road narrows and the warning ones, they're all gonna be in stock.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] So the only ones that probably need to get made... are census stop if required etcetera. So there's only three of those.
[Martine:] Yeah slow census and... whatever.
[Jim:] So presumably if, if... Staffordshire have them made and we get those three whizzed up to Caernarvon... you know, the rest can sort of fit into place.... Cos if you put survey instead of census at the bottom, I mean I know that's not strictly speaking how it should be, but they must have signs for us to survey because they have their own, presumably they have their own surveyors go out and
[Martine:] Yeah.... Yeah like
[Jim:] you know and
[Martine:] you see yellow ones don't you?... On the motorway and stuff
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] they have survey on.
[Jim:] But they very often, that triangular one with an exclamation mark, there'll be a little
[Martine:] Yeah
[Jim:] plate on the bottom that says survey.
[Martine:] yeah.
[Jim:] Well maybe it's not really right, but, but perhaps that... I'd have thought it would be alright.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Census, it's probably the same in Welsh as well you know, don't you know?
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah, I see what you mean.... We might be able to get round it.... I'll see what this fella says. Well I mean I was saying to... this bloke well... can you think of anywhere where we might be able to, oh no no... no can't think of anywhere....
[Jim:] Well you could try Clwyd or something but... can't think everybody you know. Clwyd might well do some. I wonder
[Martine:] Oh it might be worth giving Nige a ring.
[Jim:] He's at Cheshire.
[Martine:] Oh yeah.... Who do we know at Clwyd?...
[Jim:] Davydd.
[Martine:] Who?
[Jim:] Davydd....
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Never heard of him []. He's Brian's brother is he?
[Jim:] no....
[Martine:] Okay so let's just go
[Jim:] He used to work for Liverpool City I think, and he was called Dave there.
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Er right, just going back to the actual... er roadside interview, is that one on the... the B road, or is it the A? That's the one. Er I was only going to propose to use four staff on that....
[Jim:] Have a look at the, I think that's what we've done last time.... Yeah.
[Martine:] Okay....
[Jim:] Have a look at the erm... we must have a count but... yes, have you got that report?
[Will:] Of the...
[Jim:] Or have you given it back to me? Well no just the... oh, yes it might be on that but I... the early report
[Will:] the reports on the erm surveys which were done [voice on a tannoy]
[Jim:] Did you give it back?
[Will:] Yes I did.
[Jim:] Right. Okay.
[Martine:] Okay so then
[Jim:] Well they give us an idea of what the flow was then anyway won't it?
[Martine:] Yes.
[Jim:] And I think you're right....
[Martine:] And the other thing...
[Jim:] Oh
[Martine:] oh we've put in a... making the interview forms, just having the... Welsh translation on the top.... I was explaining to Jim how we could do that and it looked pretty straightforward so... or, or not.... It's
[Jim:] Have we got the interview forms?...
[Martine:] That we used last time?
[Jim:] Mm.
[Martine:] Yeah but they're like four interviews on a sheet and really sort of
[Jim:] Yeah. But I mean who what, how w, what are w, have we got our current ones, our standard ones?
[Martine:] Yeah....
[Jim:] Cos presumably it would be best to use those wouldn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah. I think... you could, you could accommodate it if you just reduced that sli the, what the normal one slightly, and there's t there's room to put the er translation on the top. I'll do you a mock up of that and see what you
[Jim:] Yes, good idea.
[Martine:] what you think.
[Jim:] I think either that or have it on a separate sheet. But I would have thought it's best to put it on there if we can. How many are we gonna want?... Three thousand?... Perhaps it's worth having a separate print run for that isn't it?...
[Martine:] Yeah, might be.
[Jim:] It's not... I think if they use this offset thing, the masters last about five hundred so you're not... it's not, it's not a silly amount.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Would it take, oh wait a minute! Three thousand interviews
[Martine:] What...
[Jim:] say, would you think three thousand interviews?...
[Martine:] I'm just trying to think what we were averaging. But I mean that... one of them's not gonna... you're not gonna get as many... on that B road.... Will we... will we want those? Oh I can't remember you know what we used for Ormskirk
[Jim:] It doesn't matter if we... if we get too many cos you can always use
[Martine:] Well that's it.
[Jim:] Can't you?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Mm. If you see what I mean.
[Martine:] Yeah.... Well so you think actually send something through to reprographics... for them to do in Liverpool?
[Jim:] Well you don't want to be doing it on the machine down here do you?
[Martine:] No....
[Jim:] And if you got three thousand interviews, say a thousand at, well y you probably wouldn't, you'd probably get...
[Martine:] Probably two of those boxes would do wouldn't it?
[Jim:] ... you could get... nearly four thousand interviews couldn't you, altogether?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] At two on a page is two thousand sheets... plus however many you'd only get one on.... So I'd have thought three thousand wasn't... out of the way really....
[Martine:] And like you say if there's some left they won't go to waste anyway.
[Jim:] No.... Oh on the other hand I suppose we could say well we'll use, we'll get some and if we run out we'll use English ones.... If you do it that way, you know, by the time they get there they should know what the questions are shouldn't they?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Excuse me, by the time you run a...
[Martine:] Cos we hold the original... to that. To the interview
[Jim:] Well we'll need some anyway.
[Martine:] Yeah.... We've probably, I mean we, we hold the original on an A three so it might be worthwhile... doing a copy of it. Doctoring it
[Jim:] Oh I see yeah.
[Martine:] to insert the Welsh because John will have to send the original off for
[Jim:] Oh right. Yes. We'll have a look
[Martine:] And then we can have the base copy of each then couldn't we?
[Jim:] Good.
[Martine:] I'll, I'll dig it out after.
[Jim:] Yeah, right....
[Martine:] Right, is there anything else? So, yeah there is.... Erm... things like whether I'm using my car and stuff I suppose I need to speak to Mike about?
[Jim:] I haven't done anything about that.
[Martine:] Right. Erm [tannoy] erm statutory undertakers?... Bus companies
[Jim:] Yes we'll need to write to all those and... we'll need to write... we need to write to the police
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] on... in two guises don't we? Partly because we're doing a survey but partly to warn... partly because of the emergency services aspect.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] So we need to write to the police to er... I suppose the thing to do is we write in a general way to the, the Chief Constable, North Wales police
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] which is I think in Colwyn Bay
[Martine:] Yeah it is.
[Jim:] and... but when it comes to actually organising the police control of the survey sites, we, we speak to the erm... traffic inspector at wherever it is. I'm not sure
[Martine:] Right so who did you say in Colwyn Bay?... What what
[Jim:] Just write to the Chief Constable.... I think we need to write three letters. One to the police, one to the ambulance, one to the fire brigade... just saying... we're proposing to do them. Obviously that'll have to be when we've fixed the sites
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] and the dates are on.
[Martine:] Yeah we'll do this
[Jim:] But that's normal.
[Martine:] general letter to the police saying that we're intending to do these surveys, just putting them in the picture and put a note in that erm... once, you know, dates and whatever, you know, we'll give you further details as and when we know...
[Jim:] Well I wouldn't, I don't think I'd worry about writing to them until we've got the dates.
[Martine:] Oh okay....
[Jim:] Oh I suppose we've gotta, oh well what did we do last time?... I remember the problem was last time sending those little plans out, the Ormskirk you know? Give them the drawing number so we sent a transmittal note, course we never got a transmittal note back. It's best to avoid that. [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Erm... right well I think the thing to do is, on... beyond that is to make sure we work through the checklist.... Okay?... Erm... Now layouts, site layouts.
[Martine:] Yeah maps and things.... So are you leaving the ball in my court on that?
[Jim:] On what?
[Martine:] On the statutory undertakers.... Cos I can probably get some information out of here.
[Jim:] I think i if you want... er I mean you're quite happy to draft a letter?
[Martine:] Yeah. I mean that's a
[Jim:] I mean again
[Martine:] standard thing that goes to all of them
[Jim:] we need to write them, warn yeah, and we ask them to let us know what they've got planned don't we?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] So you could send them a letter with a little diagram that...
[Martine:] Yeah....
[Jim:] I wonder how good that is, yes I think that's alright isn't it? Then they wouldn't... they'd understand what we, that meant wouldn't they?
[Martine:] Yeah but that's got specific things on.
[Jim:] True....
[Martine:] Yeah well all we did for Ormskirk was, it was just an O S map and we just drew a bloody great circle round it
[Will:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] and said this is the study area....
[Jim:] That's probably the best thing isn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah. And blow up an O S and just... well within our sites and everything
[Jim:] But don't give it a drawing number.
[Martine:] No.
[Jim:] It's just attached to the letter.
[Martine:] Yes.
[Jim:] Now you get your, you've got your list of who you want to write to?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] If you check with erm... Dennis... because they're doing all, you know, doing the contract documents, he could... confirm all the, the current addresses.
[Martine:] Okay....
[Jim:] That alright?
[Martine:] Yeah....
[Jim:] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] You're sounding a bit weary []. [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] No that's alright
[Jim:] There's no rush about this, I mean er you know, you've got well
[Martine:] Well there is up to a point because you know how bad they are at responding.
[Jim:] Yes there is. I mean er what I mean is it needs to be done this week sort of thing.
[Martine:] Yes. Oh that's okay I'll get all them off.... I'll do a, I'll do a draft letter this afternoon, you can have a look at it, erm... we'll knock a plan up... and her get the addresses and then that's... it's easy then innit?...
[Jim:] Yeah. I wonder if we do want to put it in
[Martine:] Oh sshh...
[Jim:] You've finished your mi meeting already Mike?... Right, well let's, okay.
[speaker001:] Er, yes. Sorry about that.
[Jim:] No it's alright we're only trying to work somewhere, somewhere quiet.
[Martine:] I suddenly thought that on the advert that's gone in
[Jim:] Yeah... there's a chair here....
[Martine:] On the advert that's gone in I did wonder whether to put... please respond by... such and such a date?
[Jim:] Don't worry about it.
[Martine:] You don't think it's necessary?
[Jim:] If they don't respond by the date, you know do it quickly
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] they're not interested.
[Martine:] Okay. That's all we did... for the statutory undertakers. Dead... simple. Just drew them a whacking great circle round it and...
[Jim:] Yeah, good.
[Martine:] Okay? So something similar
[Jim:] Excellent. Something like that yes. Yes.... Erm
[Martine:] So I'll speak to Dennis for... er addresses.
[Will:] Is there a phone number in the ad or just an address?...
[Martine:] A phone number as well yeah.
[Will:] Oh right.
[Martine:] I think most people ring.... You know cos it wastes so much time.
[Will:] Your name?
[Martine:] Yeah.... But we'll just have a word with Anna-Lee and if, I think you know, she'll say what's it concerning and if I'm not there well... she can put them through to you....
[Jim:] Okay.
[Martine:] Erm... so you say, are we saying that we're gonna leave the police till we've got some dates?... And the
[Jim:] Well we know when we're gonna do it don't we?
[Martine:] Do we?...
[Jim:] Well we know it's the last week in April or something
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] don't we?...
[Martine:] Well we wanna know whether we were gonna try and do them all in that week? Twenty seventh of April. Monday Tuesday Thursday.
[Jim:] I think the plan that goes to... to the police... thank you... needs to show the i interview sites on it.... You remember we had, on the Ormskirk one we did one that had a study area on it?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] But we also had one... that showed the individual locations.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] And I think that was the one that went to the police.
[Martine:] Right.
[Jim:] Er and the fire brigade and, and so on.
[Will:] Yeah cos they'll want to know.
[Martine:] Well that's it.
[Will:] Yeah.
[Martine:] And all you're doing is warning them that they will, the things will be there and we'll make sure that if a... emergency vehicle comes along... erm
[Will:] But they will know your precise dates won't they? Well they'll want to know precise dates....
[Jim:] I can't remember that we did actually.
[Martine:] No I don't know whether we do give them, even the precise dates.
[Will:] It isn't really much use then is it, just giving them... a rough...?
[Jim:] Well it's only a warning.... Well we'll have a look back in, I'll have a look back in the file and see what we did last time. Erm... Do you wanna do that, have a look at what we'd said in Ormskirk
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] on that side of things?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] I think I wrote to them if I remember rightly.
[Martine:] Well I didn't....
[Jim:] Erm... now we need to do something about layout plans.... So we need to get some... if we're going to work on ordnance survey ones we'll need to sort something on that. Have to have a chat with... Anyway you're not in an immediate rush to do that are you?
[Martine:] No.
[Jim:] The, the... yeah. What have you told... only you haven't told Gwyllam anything have you? Cos you, what you've told him is... did you talk about chapter eight?
[Martine:] No. No. I, I just said to him, when he said we've got these census point ahead I said well... we've got certain restrictions, you know, we've certain rules and regulations we've gotta comply with... I mean I didn't reel off any of this... blah.... But I said oh, are you familiar with setting up roadside interviews and... for this type of thing? Oh yes, we've got such and such a fella out there that does nothing but that out all day long. [LAUGHTER] And yet they didn't have any signs [] so I think he's talking through his hat. But what he probably means is that they set up signs for
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] you know, roadworks and stuff.
[Jim:] Yeah. Yeah....
[Martine:] So I mean I would have thought they've gotta comply with the same...
[Jim:] Yeah.
[Martine:] the same sort of things....
[Jim:] I think the thing is, actually, just thinking about it, there will be a Welsh version of this... if there is one if you see what I mean?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] If there isn't one... then we, we er er it... er... oh mind you I suppose there's no hassle to them to put a Welsh thingy, anyway I'll look at that. Right, now the other thing is that what Jim's doing which is that programme, how is that coming along? Yeah. What I did... was I got... I went down to the print room and I got a piece of A one paper and... I mean if you want to use... Chris Chris over in Chester office, see if, that one would, oh mind you there isn't a chair there is there? Mind you is Jonathan away?
[Martine:] There's this chair here. Jonathan's not here.
[Jim:] Is Jonathan away?
[speaker001:] Yes, two day a day and a half or something, two days?
[Jim:] Right. So, you know, there's desks around anyway
[Will:] Mm
[Jim:] that you could use
[Will:] Okay.
[Jim:] and erm... er that's what I used if you want to borrow that you can.
[Will:] Thanks....
[Jim:] And do it in pencil and just, and then we can... rub it out
[Will:] yes.
[Jim:] and change things and so on, yeah. [LAUGHTER] Well it's easy to change isn't it? Because presumably Peter will need to incorporate that... in an overall programme.... When we look at the highway side.
[Will:] So it's just the traffic side which I'm dealing with here?
[Jim:] Yes.... Cos that's all I'm dealing with.... Okay and perhaps erm... perhaps you'd also like to l would you like to look at this side of things as well?...
[Will:] Incorporate that into it?
[Martine:] No, the, the layout plans, do, do some layout plans.
[Will:] Oh yeah sure.
[Jim:] Marty's done them before you see haven't you?
[Martine:] Yep....
[Jim:] So I'm, I'm just trying to look at the ones for... and then we'll go from there.... Okay, is that alright?
[Martine:] Yeah.... Now, have I given either of you task schedules for this No.
[Jim:] stuff? So... I need to do that don't I? Er... in fact I never gave telephone call it's no good telling me to do something Task schedules, ooh... I'll have to get the form. Okay, so you want a task schedule for doing... doing the traffic report?
[Martine:] Mhm.
[Jim:] Mm yeah?
[Will:] Yeah....
[Jim:] And also for doing the programme.... Yeah? And you want a task schedule for organizing... this, it's a bit unspecific isn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Okay.... Erm... how is that then? Er you happy to leave things as they are for the minute? Carry on on that basis?
[Martine:] Yeah, the only other thing like when you were saying about site layouts, if there's any maps... that we need, and that's including maps for coding, wall maps, you know, large scale.
[Jim:] Well obviously we've got to progress into that. We need to prepare some... zone plans and gazetteers maybe.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Erm... oh well I'll er the other thing I was thinking of is that er... we could be looking er... towards beginning, you know even now, to doing a trips network and things like that. There's no real reason why... you, say, shouldn't start to build up the data on that.
[Will:] Yeah.
[Jim:] Erm... y y you know you, you could do a diagram and presumably the person to speak to would be Billy or maybe Peter cos I think Peter did the bulk of the work.
[Will:] Okay.
[Jim:] Beverley did a lot of the actual sort of dogsbody work, you know, the actual doing of it. Erm... so you need to build up a picture of what you've got... erm... but there's no real reason why we shouldn't be working on that now it seems to me. Er in principle. Yes beginning, you know, we, we know what we're trying to do obviously we don't necessarily know every, every node in the network... erm... Cos obviously once you start doing that, or when we start doing tr the, the journey run... things erm we're going to need to know what we're wanting.... So there'll be two sides of it c er
[Will:] Well there, there won't be any will there? Erm...
[Jim:] Mm. But anyway I mean it's all part of the picture. What I'm getting at is there's no reason why we need, we should wait until after the surveys to start looking at trips. Which is what happened on Ormskirk. Mind you it was partly because we didn't get a programme. But there's no reason, and on as well.... Alright?...
[Martine:] Right, so... me and Jim had a chat the other day... just looking at the... the roadside entries and the counts and I was sort of saying... if we work on the basis that we want between ten and twelve people, twelve people maximum
[Jim:] Mm.
[Martine:] erm I think we're be able to do all the counts with that number of people including the... St David's roundabout and
[Jim:] Mm.
[Martine:] but we do need to clarify exactly what you want on that. Whether you want... samples doing cos that's gonna take more people, or whether you're just doing ins and outs... and stuff like that.
[Jim:] Well...
[Martine:] And on the other roundabout for that matter.
[Jim:] Are you off?
[speaker001:] Yeah I've got a seminar in Manchester.
[Jim:] Oh right. How did it go?
[speaker001:] Fine. Probably find that traffic percent...
[Jim:] we're just talking now this, this is, this is one we're discussing.
[speaker001:] Oh well just south of Caernarvon on the first section erm between Caernarvon and? Yes.
[Jim:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Gwyneth haven't really started on doing any of that work yet. work. And they need to do traffic.... And also they need to confirm the traffic erm turning 099 junction at er... I can never pronounce it, beginning with an L. Yeah. And er maybe count, maybe do their traffic counts out of that as well. So the guy that was in charge of those schemes with Gwyneth
[Jim:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] was at the meeting or came into the meeting to explain about the schemes.
[Jim:] What's his name?
[speaker001:] Erm
[Jim:] Peter will know.
[speaker001:] Peter's got his name down.
[Jim:] Cos that was one of the things we talked about
[speaker001:] Vernon somebody or other I think his name was. Vernon
[Jim:] need to contact them.
[speaker001:] Yes, need to do that this week. But they, this, these, well he's got a copy now of the report and he's gonna c comment back on what
[Jim:] Do Welsh Office want any more
[speaker001:] bits
[Jim:] copies of that? So that's fine, good.
[speaker001:] erm and they should comment this week about what extra bits they think they could perhaps cover. So maybe a few more turning counts the census...
[Martine:] Mm.
[Jim:] Right. And that wasn't where I well I haven't been particularly looking for work from that particular
[speaker001:] to know is... they raised er the question about... the er counts we're doing for the Caernarvon link
[Jim:] Yes.
[speaker001:] which is part of this study.
[Jim:] Yes.
[speaker001:] They want us to divorce the staff time
[Jim:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and charge it against the Caernarvon job.
[Jim:] Right. The Caernarvon link job?
[speaker001:] Yeah which is to our benefit cos we get
[Jim:] Mm. What about the work for Gwyneth?...
[speaker001:] If that's extra
[Jim:] What do we charge that to?
[speaker001:] That is bypass.
[Jim:] They don't want us to charge it to extra to works? We could have a two point six seven multiplier [LAUGHTER]...
[speaker001:] No. Er er er as far as they're concerned any extra work is just an enhancement of the rate to the bypass erm rate, point six two percent. That was what pointed out.
[Jim:] He pointed out?... Any
[speaker001:] said we need approval for extra work
[Jim:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] he said well it's just, it's time costs, it's just an extension of the
[Jim:] Right.
[speaker001:] Except for the Caernarvon bit.
[Jim:] Right. Are they wanting a budget figure from us?
[speaker001:] We're gonna have to put
[Martine:] What was Paul saying about the wedding then?
[Mike:] Only said who he invited.... I said, I said have you invited Aunty Joan and them? He said oh I've invited Aunty Joan but nobody else cos I didn't fancy... any of the others....
[Martine:] And has he invited Joan to the day do and that?
[Mike:] Yeah. But he hasn't invited any to the night.... I think I might have his conscience by saying that I don't mind.
[Martine:] Well for what they see I can understand him asking Joan and Graham... erm... maybe they've gotta watch how much they're
[Mike:] I know but an extra four people's not gonna cost that much more is it?... [music]
[Martine:] Shut up....
[Mike:] You little sod.
[Martine:] The cat?
[Mike:] Yeah....
[Martine:] [yawning] Oh I'm shattered [].
[Mike:] Why I asked him is because he had a... wedding invitation for Rob and Jen
[Martine:] Yeah. Well to be honest I can understand why he's not asking them. You know they'll make up with friends... you know, what family they're not asking won't they?
[Mike:] Oh aye....
[Martine:] No it's not as if you're all close is it?
[Mike:] No....
[Martine:] And I mean we haven't seen them since ours hardly have we?...
[Mike:] No
[Martine:] Watch this fool.
[Mike:] Ram him off the road....
[Martine:] [yawning] Oh I had a really good day today. I didn't go till about [] half ten... ah no cos I had a few letters and stuff to write first... and I thought right I'll just take me time... and, cos I wanted to... I didn't wanna go faster than... you know than I should, I should have done sort of thing cos I wanted to time it properly.... Erm it took me an hour and a quarter. And it's exactly sixty miles into the middle of Caernarvon. So I
[Mike:] And that's where the survey's gonna be, right in the middle is it?
[Martine:] Well no but that's where I had to go. See you can allow a few extra miles for getting
[Mike:] Oh.
[Martine:] to the others.
[Mike:] So you wanna allow yourself a... an hour and half really don't you?... Do you think, or not?
[Martine:] Well I don't think so because that, I mean there won't be any traffic hardly
[Mike:] No.
[Martine:] when I'm going so I'll just allow the same. And then I should do it in an hour. You know... I'll be leaving at about half five.... No, not b about quarter past five I'll be leaving, five to quarter past. That's allowing a... a good hour and a quarter. But it's not gonna take me longer at that time of the morning than it has done today at eleven o'clock or so is it? Coming home it took me a bit longer cos it was all that delay at the hill.
[Mike:] Oh aye that's right I heard it on the radio.
[Martine:] [yawning] Yeah oh it's pathetic []. Oh no the rest of it, it's not too bad, it's not a bad journey, it's quite pleasant really. So I went straight to the... county offices and saw the rooms you know where we're going to
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] be doing the coding. Dead smart. I was really into that.
[Mike:] Can you put the stuff on the walls?
[Martine:] Erm I'm not gonna put them on the walls. They've got you know like these big boards, free standing boards
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] they have.
[Mike:] Like a pin board thing?
[Martine:] Yeah. Gonna have some of them there's... three I think and they're really long ones. Er so I'm gonna have them but she showed me the small room, what they call the small room, well that was huge... well it will be perfect for what we want. Really plush, you know all the carpets
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] and everything? Erm... and then she said oh and this is the other one and it was like all er... it was bigger again obviously, and all the tables in a square
[Mike:] Like a conference type
[Martine:] Yeah [yawning] but each seat... ooh excuse me [] each seat had a microphone built into the desk.
[Mike:] Oh aye?
[Martine:] But I thought that'd be more of a hindrance than a help
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] for what we were doing so... when I got back to the office I rung and I tempor well provisionally booked this, the smallest of the two which I think will be brill. So
[Mike:] So what did she say about the money when you tried her for less money? [clears throat] Or didn't you actually say?
[Martine:] Well that one you have to ring the head office in Bangor, I had to ring her when I got back. They only er... showed me the rooms, they do the bookings... and I just said
[Mike:] And it's actually in the... like the... council offices?
[Martine:] Yeah.... They have all like them chambers there as well you know?... But... I just said that it was for the Welsh Office... cos I thought if er they knew it was for a... Authority you know?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] I said do you, do you think there'd be any discount... er with it being a block booking? And she didn't say no full stop, she said oh she said I'm not sure she said, I'd have to enquire about that. So... I just thought she's gonna... yeah if it was out of the question she could have said oh no that's it, there's a flat rate so I
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] think she's gonna ask
[Mike:] thing is with them Welshies they probably haven't tried to bloody... they haven't got the sense.
[Martine:] No.
[Mike:] If somebody else was trying to book it, one of those Welshy types, they haven't got the sense to... ask
[Martine:] No, I said well I said that... I'd appreciate it cos it's worth a go and she said oh yes I agree with you there.
[Mike:] Which field's Min in?
[Martine:] Not any of these.... [yawning] So that was good. Ooh [] I can't stop yawning. So then I thought oh I'll go and find... er the offices again, Church Street. And we'd gone a roundabout way the last time we were there and I thought oh I'll give it a go, anyway I walked straight down this road, have a look oh yes, turn up here... anyway I, I sort of got me bearings and I thought oh yes it's just down here... he's in the field just down there.
[Mike:] Is he? Do you wanna go or not or go straight to your nan's?...
[Martine:] Go straight to nan's, call on the way back. If it isn't too late.... Couldn't see him. Erm... so I went straight to this place and there was a fella downstairs, his secretary was... erm out on her lunch. Anyway I said oh... I said you're not expecting me, said who I was and where I was from. I said I called in to see either Michael or the secretary, Mirelda her name is.
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] And er so he said alright. I said I'm also gonna be che cheeky and see if I can use your toi he said oh yes he said, go and help yourself he said there's a kettle down there, make yourself a drink, make yourself at home. So anyway I thought I won't have a drink cos if... this secretary wasn't there I didn't know how long she'd be... so er but I di I went upstairs to where we had the meeting with Mike the other week. And erm... Joe his partner was there so I had a really good chat to him.
[Mike:] What do you mean his partner like? Is it just like a little firm?... And this Michael's one of the partners in the firm?
[Martine:] No there's just them in the office.
[Mike:] Oh aye.
[Martine:] They've merged with us now.... Erm... so I had a chat to him. He drew me a little plan of how to get to W H Smiths and that.
[Mike:] What the hell do you wanna go to Smiths for?
[Martine:] Maps.... So I had a walk up the town and called in Tesco's and got a bit of shopping. Got some teabags.
[Mike:] Did you?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] Is it much of a place, Caernarvon?
[Martine:] Not really.
[Mike:] They have a market there don't there?
[Martine:] On a Saturday yeah.... So I went to Smiths, got this map...
[Mike:] What and do a photocopy?...
[Martine:] But I don't think I'll need it. It's just a one to twenty five thousand, a Pathfinder. Cos I picked up the Chester to Wrexham one instead of the Snowdonia one.... Caernarvon's on the Snowdonia map.
[Mike:] Ah.
[Martine:] An O S one to fifty thousand... and that's what I thought I'd picked up this morning to take with me... but when I looked it was Chester and Wrexham so it didn't do me much good. So I thought oh well I'll buy this other one and...
[Mike:] Claim it back off the firm?
[Martine:] Yes.... [yawning] Three pound ninety something []... chicken butties and... bag of crisps and that, it was nice. Cos I'd parked on the top of this multi-storey car park at the offices, is it called? Erm... I parked on the top. So it wasn't all dark and that
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] cos I wanted to be looking at me plans. And I ate me butty there on top.
[Mike:] In the pouring bloody rain and howling wind I expect.
[Martine:] It was, yeah [yawning] it was horrible [].... So then I just had a drive round all the sites.
[Mike:] Did you find them all alright?
[Martine:] Yeah. I know where I'm going now with er all of them.... You know and getting to them, I know how to get from one to the other... without going, you know?
[Mike:] All round the houses.
[Martine:] I've got a good idea of where everywhere is.... So I was quite pleased....
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] [yawning] When I got back... ooh [] you know I told you about that job? We've put a bid in for Arrow Park.
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] Rob thinks we've got it.
[Mike:] Oh god. Winning some bloody jobs aren't you. What have they done, dropped their prices?
[Martine:] Well Rob's doing them isn't he? Oh they have had to drop their prices. They've had to... go for the... we did them a few sort of quotes on the survey side of this Arrow Park... and er... we've gotta, you know, really stick to this tight budget because it's the only way you can get them no matter what people are telling you... erm... about the recession being over, people still want things for nothing.... So... this survey might have to be done at the beginning of April. But it's not a big one so...
[Mike:] Well when's these in Caernarvon, the end of April?
[Martine:] Starting the twenty seventh of April.
[Mike:] It's the weekend after 's wedding?
[Martine:] Yeah.... So I shall be enjoying myself at... the wedding
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] ready for my hard slog. Eh?
[Mike:] You'll be knackered.
[Martine:] I know.... Er yeah so we'll have this thing at Arrow Park to do. He's hoping to do that. We'll looking into doing... we need to know how many cars gone in, how many cars go out...
[Mike:] Into the?
[Martine:] of the hospital grounds. But there's residential sections as well. And then see how long each vehicle stayed there. There's two entra entrances
[Mike:] You'll have to er take the registration of every bloody car!
[Martine:] That's what we are doing.
[Mike:] Jesus god!... It's probably because they're taking over the er... accident and emergency department from Clatterbrick it's shutting down and it's all going to Arrow Park.
[Martine:] Well that's not why we're doing it.
[Mike:] Well it is. That's what's happening, it was on the radio the other day.
[Martine:] This is just... well I mean it maybe connected with that but we're doing it because they want to increase the car parks.... So we're looking to do it with tape recorders... on the busiest entrance... and you know and just say car D five one four R G M... blah blah blah. [yawning] Get them all down []... and then the person on the quieter entrance can just write them down. But... you don't necessarily have to say the whole number. You know you can just say D five one four....
[Mike:] Well that's what you wanna, so much quicker wouldn't it, just say the Escort D five one four....
[Martine:] Yeah, you don't even have to say the... the make.... And then... erm they all get punched into the, Rob's got a special computer programme thing, you punch them all in... er... and then it does a ma a matching thing.... And it... come, at the end of the day it comes out with all the ones it's matched, the duration it's been there... and er makes it a damned sight easier basically. Should be quite good. Then we've got... in June we're supposed to be doing journey time surveys and traffic counts on the M sixty three.
[Mike:] I won't get off at this one, no?
[Martine:] No.
[Mike:] I'll get off at the...
[Martine:] Erm now they're talking of doing roadside interviews in both directions on the motorway on the slip roads.
[Mike:] Be a big job that will.
[Martine:] Yeah.... So I hope it comes off.
[Mike:] Loads of money, you'll be minted.
[Martine:] Yeah.... It's about time we got something, don't, you know for... months we scratched round looking like we're busy, now we're meeting ourselves backwards, coming backwards....
[Mike:] Better that way though innit? Days go
[Martine:] Yep. But I mean I'm already starting stopping later, unintentionally you know, just cos I wanna finish something.
[Mike:] Here I turn now do I?
[Martine:] Yeah.... Well that... this is the... bloody supermarket. [LAUGHTER] []
[Mike:] Well where was the turning? I've never
[Martine:] Course you do.
[Mike:] I don't.
[Martine:] Yes you do.... Er... yeah I've already got over thirty hours credit. And you're not supposed to have more than thirty even though Mike's got about a hundred and three.
[Mike:] Mm.
[Martine:] How the hell he's wangled it, honest to god!
[Mike:] Well he must be fiddling it cos he, he's never bloody worked it.
[Martine:] No.... So erm... and I, I can't just take a flexi-day... because I'm already, I've already got leave to use. So I'm gonna see how I get on an if I keep doing it I'm just gonna get it as overtime.... What are you having? Fish and chips?... Are you coming in?
[Mike:] No, I don't wanna see Jean.... Oh she's there.
[Martine:] There she is.
[Mike:] She's doing the n Are we late?...
[Martine:] Yep.
[Mike:] the chips....
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] ... [door knock]
[Martine:] [shouting] Cooeee []... [door knock] [shouting] Cooeee []...
[Mike:] She's probably asleep.... [door knock]
[Martine:] [shouting] []... Probably....
[speaker001:] Sorry! Couldn't hear you.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Ooh []
[speaker001:] How are you?
[Martine:] I couldn't hear you shout.
[speaker001:] I know, I couldn't long time getting
[Martine:] Well I was allowing you time with your leg but we thought... you've got the telly on loud.
[speaker001:] Oh aye I have really, yes
[Martine:] Have you?... We've been in chinky... we've brought our tea.... [shouting] we've brought our tea. We've been to the chippy, we haven't had any tea yet.
[speaker001:] Haven't you?
[Martine:] So can we eat them here please []?
[speaker001:] Yeah. Right you take them in there the table.
[Martine:] Yeah we can do, saves stinking out in here....
[Mike:] You'd better put something on it.
[Martine:] Yeah.... Oh there's nothing to
[speaker001:] I'll not ask you in there with the table because there wasn't enough room.
[Martine:] The what?
[speaker001:] There's a little table there, a little folding table there.
[Martine:] Yeah? Shall we take that?
[speaker001:] Put it here?
[Martine:] Yeah....
[speaker001:] ?
[Martine:] Oh aye.
[Mike:] No I'm alright there.
[speaker001:] [shouting] Go on [] go and sit on
[Martine:] No I'm grand. No you wanna rest your leg.
[speaker001:] Ooh don't matter about resting me r about resting me leg. I r used to.... [LAUGHTER]...
[Mike:] That's right.
[Martine:] We've just been to see Jean there at the chippy.
[speaker001:] Oh have you been?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Yeah. Is that alright there?
[Mike:] Yeah....
[speaker001:] Now then.
[Martine:] Where's mine?
[speaker001:] Let's get you organized....
[Martine:] Looks like a teddy bears' picnic
[speaker001:] Want plates?
[Martine:] No we'll have them out of the paper, we'll save on washing up, thank you....
[speaker001:] Go cut you some bread?...
[Martine:] I'm alright, I d I want a butty thank you.
[speaker001:] Michael how, how many rounds do you want?
[Mike:] Oh just one ta.
[speaker001:] It's er who erm... wholemeal.
[Mike:] Aye, just one thanks.
[speaker001:] Only one?
[Mike:] Yep...
[Martine:] [yawn] So they'd better be nice seeing as we've been all the way
[speaker001:] Just get me the marge out of there
[Martine:] to.
[speaker001:] Yeah, there it is, Vitalite. Vitalite.
[Mike:] Oh aye....
[Martine:] Super. So how's your leg?
[speaker001:] Ooh...
[Martine:] Any easier?
[speaker001:] Ooh it comes and goes Martine, it's nearly driving me daft to be honest....
[Martine:] Oh is it?... Is it gone a bit easier?... Has it gone a bit easier for you?
[speaker001:] What? What do you want?... What do you want?...
[Martine:] Er just... do you want one or two?
[Mike:] One. Please.
[speaker001:] Two.
[Martine:] Just... just one.
[speaker001:] One.
[Martine:] Yeah. I don't want one thank you.
[speaker001:] You know where the salt and vinegar is don't you?
[Martine:] Oh aye.
[Mike:] It's already on them thanks.
[Martine:] There's plenty on them, they're alright.
[speaker001:] Oh there in er... in the cupboard there....
[Martine:] ...
[Mike:] Is your nan okay?
[Martine:] Do you want a few chips on a plate nan?
[speaker001:] No thanks I've only
[Martine:] Are you sure?
[speaker001:] I've only just got... just had a big dinner love.
[Martine:] Have you? What have you had?
[speaker001:] I had a la lamb chop... cabbage
[Martine:] Ooh....
[speaker001:] roast potatoes... rhubarb, stewed rhubarb, Ron's stewed rhubarb.
[Martine:] Lovely....
[Mike:] And cream.
[Martine:] Nothing like looking after yourself.
[speaker001:] Oh... it was very nice and it's his first rhubarb.
[Martine:] Mm.... Me mum
[speaker001:] give your mum a cou just a couple of sticks.
[Martine:] Yeah she was only saying ours has started to come through
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] up at.... Oh they are nice
[Mike:] Mm....
[Martine:] Teddy bears' picnic this nan.
[speaker001:] What love?...
[Martine:] Teddy bears' picnic.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... Ooh. Don't bother with a plate for that. Nan.
[speaker001:] Just a minute love.... What did you say?
[Martine:] I, he could have had that straight on the paper.
[speaker001:] Alright?
[Mike:] Thank you....
[speaker001:] What did you say?...
[Martine:] I said there was no need to have got him a plate. Spoiling him, he doesn't have a plate at home for his bread and butter. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Well y your dad likes a lot of a... out of the paper, I dunno.
[Mike:] It ta tastes nicer out of a paper.
[Martine:] Oh they do.
[speaker001:] If I, if I'm out yes, I li I like them in a pa in a, in a paper, you know, but er... I've got no cake to offer you, I can't some biscuits.
[Martine:] No, I'll be alright after this. No ta.
[Mike:] alright with this thanks.
[speaker001:] No?
[Martine:] We haven't had chips for ages have we?
[speaker001:] Haven't you?
[Mike:] No.
[Martine:] No....
[speaker001:] Oh well if you haven't had chi or haven't done for a long time you enjoy them.
[Martine:] I er you do. Nan you'll love... why don't you go back and watch your programme and have a sit down and we won't be two ticks eating these.
[speaker001:] Your mum had a... what did she have?... Oh she'd been up to Pearks
[Martine:] Mm?
[speaker001:] She bought a steak and kidney pie... now then, no she didn't have chips... steak and kidney pie and some er... couple of iced buns, she bought me a, an ordinary pie.
[Martine:] Oh yeah?
[speaker001:] So I had that at dinner time.
[Martine:] Mm. Oh me mum's been here today?
[speaker001:] And she called she did ask the girl for er... two... er cream... doughnuts
[Martine:] Yeah?
[speaker001:] and [LAUGHTER]... she, she's a new girl, your mum said
[Martine:] Hmm
[speaker001:] and she gave her iced buns.
[Martine:] Oh!
[speaker001:] There was all sort of icing on and cream as well. But I must admit they were very nice.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] They were nice.
[Martine:] Little devils. Oh. Me mum's been here today has she?...
[speaker001:] Yeah, she come about... half past twelve?
[Martine:] Oh she said yesterday she might call.
[speaker001:] Half past twelve.
[Martine:] Mm.
[speaker001:] And she went from here about er... well she said she was going at quarter past two. I said it is quarter past two if you... I'm not pushing you off but you've got to be somewhere on time.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] have a... we had a bit of a chat
[Martine:] Good.
[speaker001:] and er... she went sort of thing.
[Martine:] Mhm....
[speaker001:] So I always take my dinner in there.
[Martine:] Well aye, might as well have a bit of comfort.
[speaker001:] And [LAUGHTER] and then I come back in here, I always get my sweet and take that back again.... I watch Blockbusters
[Martine:] Oh yes, we had ab er well while you were in the shower.
[speaker001:] and then I always stop and watch the news.... So I come er... come in here after and er washed up
[Martine:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] and I'd just peeled an orange to be honest
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] I just fancied an orange, I thought oh
[Martine:] Here you are
[speaker001:] And I'd just that very minute sat down.
[Martine:] Why don't you go and... sit down again and we'll come in as soon as we've finished these.
[speaker001:] Oh aye.
[Martine:] So you can rest your leg.
[speaker001:] Are you sure you don't want any biscuits only I haven't any?
[Mike:] No we're alright thanks.
[Martine:] thanks. I'm fine. I'll be too full up
[speaker001:] Not I am without cake but Irene brought me some small ones yesterday
[Martine:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] and I've only just finished our, our Christmas er bun loaf sort of thing, you know
[Martine:] Have you?...
[speaker001:] Anyhow...
[Martine:] No this is fine....
[speaker001:] Right, I'll go and finish my orange.
[Martine:] Okay, we won't be a minute.
[speaker001:] Ooh you're gonna have a cup of tea aren't you?...
[Martine:] Well are you having one?... Are you having one anyway nan?
[speaker001:] Yes, there's the water in the kettle and everything in....
[Martine:] Well o... I'll, if you put it to boil Okay.... They're nicer than our chips.
[speaker001:] Do you want tea bags or loose tea?
[Mike:] Anything. Whatever's easiest....
[speaker001:] Do you want tea Martine or lemonade or?
[Martine:] Erm I'll have tea please, yeah.... We usually have a cuppa after don't we?
[Mike:] Mhm....
[Martine:] Just saying nan
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[Martine:] I'm just saying these chips are nicer than the Bottley chips.
[speaker001:] Are they?
[Martine:] Oh aye, we'll be coming here again.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Your dad always likes them from here.
[Martine:] Yeah....
[speaker001:] Oh they're your mum and dad now aren't they?
[Martine:] Yeah.... Got nowhere local for chips.... Oh lovely, thank you.... Smashing.... You get a good One thirty, that's not bad is it that?
[speaker001:] Now then I'm going to leave you to it.
[Martine:] Okay, we'll be through in a minute.
[speaker001:] I'll just go and finish my orange. You don't mind?
[Martine:] No. We'll be through in a bit.... I think we pay more than that?...
[Mike:] Probably....
[Martine:] I think fish is over a pound, yeah.
[Mike:] Fish is normally about one twenty odd, oh aye....
[Martine:] So with the chips as well this is about one sixty....
[Mike:] The chips are fifty.
[Martine:] Mm....
[Mike:] [cough]...
[Martine:] Oh, think he's charged.... Or does three sixty sound more like it?...
[Mike:] Erm... three sixty... that would be one eighty. Mm.
[Martine:] Yeah maybe it was three sixty....
[Mike:] get pots of tea? Is your nan having any?
[Martine:] She must be having one, put them straight in the cups. They're one cup things....... She must have made one.... How?
[Mike:] ... [cough]
[Martine:] didn't she?
[Mike:] Yep.... Ooh... come on.
[Martine:] Struggling a bit now. Do you want any more chips?
[Mike:] Aye.
[Martine:] Yeah?
[Mike:] Yeah....
[Martine:] Seriously?
[Mike:] Mm....
[Martine:] Do you want more?
[Mike:] No....
[Martine:] Mm. Oh I really enjoyed them
[Mike:] It was a good idea of mine I thought....
[Martine:] [sigh] Have to take the door off the hinges to get your head out if it gets any bigger.
[Mike:] You'll have to check them teas, one's got a little bit less sugar than the other.
[Martine:] Well which one?
[Mike:] I don't know.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Well you made them [].
[Mike:] all mixed up now.
[Martine:] What are you like?... Oh pardon me.... Let's get past you with this chair.... It's lovely not having any washing up.... I'll wash me fork.... Nice cutlery that isn't it?...
[Mike:] Mm....
[Martine:] It's old.... Right.... That wasn't, there's nothing wrong with that.... God you've gone mad with the sugar in yours. Do you want it topped up?
[Mike:] No.... Er ooh bit sweet innit? square spoon....
[Martine:] You can't drink it with what?
[Mike:] With a square spoon.... Of er sugars
[Martine:] Oh.
[Mike:] ...
[Martine:] How do I do this without trapping me fingers?... Ooh, god there's some weight in there.... Put it all back as we found it eh?...
[Mike:] Best had....
[Martine:] Could you take my coat through please.
[Mike:] Yes.
[Martine:] It's on the chair.
[Mike:] Go on.... [telly on loud]
[Martine:] ... Oh?... Oh erm who is he? He was in that erm... what was it called? Alan Bleasdale, you know that fella that did Boys from the Black Stuff
[speaker001:] Oh aye?
[Martine:] Erm he was in one of his plays.
[Mike:] Brookside.
[Martine:] Oh is it him? I thought it was the fella that had the nervous twitch.
[Mike:] Is it? Oh aye of course it is yeah....
[Martine:] What was it called?... Erm... ooh I can't remember what it's called.
[speaker001:] I don't know any
[Martine:] He's been in a few things.... Oh is this the new
[Mike:] Robert Lindsey his name isn't it?
[Martine:] Robert Lindsey. Robert Lindsey Mike says his name is.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[Martine:] Is this the new top me dad put on?
[speaker001:] Yes.
[Martine:] Eh it's posh isn't it?
[speaker001:] Ooh I'm pleased with it, yeah.
[Martine:] This is the one is it that had like er... wicker work?
[speaker001:] Aye well it was all...
[Martine:] All fraying.
[speaker001:] it was all... I was ashamed of getting it out
[Martine:] Well it's lovely that cos it's like you can put your drinks on it as well and your cup of tea and that.
[speaker001:] Well... Mary, she's got one
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but it's not such a nice stool as this, it hasn't got the knobs on like that.
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] And it's a little bit higher.... And her brother-in-law had put a piece of wood on the top
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] for her... and I knew it was only hardboard, well knowing your dad I knew he wouldn't put
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] hardboard on.
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] So I did just ask him er just come to me right out of the blue when he was here one night.... And I thought... well it's going to be awkward to get a piece of wood for that I mean... knowing your dad with wood I know... Anyhow I said er... it's just the right height for me
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] for my... for my leg.... So I said to er your mum one night oh I said can I have the stool back? I said I know it's awkward getting a piece of wood... so she said yeah, that's about three weeks ago.... Anyhow er... and when she was on the phone the other day I said to Irene oh er Muriel says I'll bring it... next time I come I'll bring it.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So er... anyhow when er she was on the phone Sunday night I said oh I said er... ask Muriel would she bring that stool back when she comes.... So er I never expected to have it like that.
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] I said... tell her I can always put the... the s bit of a square over it
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] to cover the holes in the... bit like raffia it was wasn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah.... Well he's varnished it as well.
[speaker001:] So it's er... what is it? chipboa mi... chi
[Martine:] What er... plywood?
[speaker001:] Chip wood er no
[Martine:] Chipboard is it?
[Mike:] Plywood that.
[Martine:] Plywood.
[speaker001:] Is it plywood?
[Mike:] Aye.
[speaker001:] That's it then.... So your mum got it from er Spectrum. So your dad said well haven't I been soft? I've never thought about it before.
[Martine:] Yeah.... it's grand. It's given a new lease of life hasn't it?
[speaker001:] So ooh I said I'm thrilled to bits with that.
[Martine:] It's give it a new lease of life. I bet you've had it years haven't you?
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[Martine:] You've, have you had it years, the stool?... Donkey's years I bet.
[speaker001:] Oh years. It was a sister-in-law of mine that bought it.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Your granddad's er sister.
[Martine:] Was it?
[speaker001:] And she was er always troubled with her nerves. And she used to go back and to for treatment to
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Denbigh. And I used to look after her husband while he was, while she was away... getting his dinner and things
[Martine:] Yeah?
[speaker001:] and er... they used to ma er she made it there.
[Martine:] Did she?
[speaker001:] You know? They had these classes for er
[Martine:] Good god.
[speaker001:] craft classes for them. So she made it.
[Martine:] Ah!
[speaker001:] And I mean like, to me it means a lot to me as well
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] sort of thing. So and it has lasted all those years.... Mhm twenty, twenty five years old.
[Martine:] Good god.
[speaker001:] A stool.
[Martine:] So it's had a new lease of life with that hasn't it?
[speaker001:] Yes! So I said ooh I said I...
[Martine:] Me and Nicola always used to love it.
[speaker001:] she said oh look what's the, what's the matter with the stairs? Oh I said I'm thrilled to bits with that.
[Martine:] Mm right.
[speaker001:] Aye.
[Martine:] Me and Nicola used to fight to get on that.
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[Martine:] Me and Nicola always used to love it when we
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] came her. We used to fight to get on it....
[speaker001:] Oh anyhow...
[Martine:] Smashing.
[speaker001:] That's it. And er telly's been off. The colour
[Martine:] Oh god!
[speaker001:] I've got it back two or three times and then I failed it in the end. And aye your mum said today well I'll, I'll see if I can get it er... can do anything with it
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and she got it back straight away so... that's alright again now. It's only on I T V, the colour had gone.
[Martine:] Oh... it's annoying isn't it?
[speaker001:] Aye.
[Martine:] Ours keeps going
[speaker001:] It's annoying and yet it was better than a p
[Martine:] Well.
[speaker001:] And I d I use I T V more than er
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] B B C one really. So anyhow that's it.... Ha! You busy?
[Martine:] Very busy in work. I've been out and about today, I've been to Caernarfen today.
[speaker001:] You have?
[Martine:] Yeah, by myself.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[Martine:] Cos we've got, you know like we did in Ormskirk, these roadside interviews? We've got some of those to do. Erm and I'm all in charge of it. So... I'll be expecting a big pay rise at the end of it.
[speaker001:] Ooh lovely.
[Martine:] I've got quite a bit of responsibility to do.... So that's that. Jan's got er the sa Jan's doing the same as me
[speaker001:] Yeah?
[Martine:] but she's in L doing hers in Leek... in Staffordshire.... So we've both got... it takes me an hour and a quarter to get to Caernarfen and it takes Jan about an hour and a half to get to Leek because they're such bad roads.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I was going to say bet it's bad getting there.
[Martine:] It is, it's not very nice at all. But er so we're very busy. Which is better than... ooh pardon me, than being bored.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] So work's alright.
[speaker001:] Ooh very good....
[Martine:] Mike's still in Ellesmere Port working. Doesn't know how long the work's gonna stay there.
[speaker001:] No?
[Martine:] They seem to... there doesn't seem to be much left to do but yet they're still going there and everything. But er that's Steve's ma you know it's... it's Steve that sorts that out, his boss....
[speaker001:] Oh very good.
[Martine:] Yes.
[speaker001:] Aye.
[Martine:] Aah!
[speaker001:] Mike... put that light on, you can't read
[Mike:] I can see plenty that one thanks.
[speaker001:] Oh.
[Mike:] I'm only flicking through it.
[Martine:] He's only looking at the pictures, he can't read really [LAUGHTER]... Eh what did you think of the dancing concert?
[speaker001:] The what?
[Martine:] That dancing concert... what did you think?
[speaker001:] Well I shouldn't say this, I, I, I d I, I, I said it... I haven't s really said it to Irene but I did say it to Con... we went on the Friday didn't we?... Now er it wasn't that night I said it, it was afterwards so I said... what did you think about the concert then?... Well... you tell me... what you thought. Well I said I tell you what I thought... I said it was a funny ending to begin with wasn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Didn't like have... a finale did it?
[Martine:] Not really.
[speaker001:] No not really, I mean... it was sort of.... But we all sat there, we didn't know whether we ought to come out or not!... Anyhow I said well I shouldn't say this I know... and I know... times have altered, but I said... it wasn't er I said I'm not saying it because Martine and Nicola were in it, but I said to me it wasn't the same as when they were in it.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I said I know it was all this modern dancing sort of thing and there were a lot of elderly people there on Friday night.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So... well I didn't hear anyone say anything so I said well... that's what I thought about it and er... I did tell... no I haven't said anything to Susan. I mean the dancing was alright and all the children, don't get me wrong
[Martine:] Yeah. Just the things
[speaker001:] And Mrs works very hard well
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I'm bound to say that. But er like I say it's not like the old concerts.
[Martine:] No....
[speaker001:] What did you think of it?
[Martine:] Well I thought the sa I mean eve that last thing they did... there the Starlight Express thing, I didn't have a clue what that was about.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I didn't []
[Martine:] Erm and I didn't like the way erm she got a few of them's, a few of the gir I know there's only the two lads there, but how she was doing a lot of things with the girls dressed up as boys... like that w er what was that song that me dad hates that they did?... Erm... What a Dame
[speaker001:] Oh aye.
[Martine:] [singing] what a dame []. Me dad hates that song, well there was the two lads and two girls pretending to be sailors or whatever they were. I don't like the way she keeps trying to do that.
[speaker001:] No.
[Martine:] Erm... oh I dunno, some of their things were a bit weird weren't they?
[speaker001:] Well we're not all the same are we, but
[Martine:] I suppose she's got a
[speaker001:] well your mum said to me well I'll tell you the same as I've told Con but I said... I'm not against the children or anything the children
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] worked hard on their dancing, and they were lovely
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and I like to see the little ones... but er... concert no. Well she said I'm like you really she said
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] She said a and Irene said, Irene did say she wasn't very keen on this modern dancing.
[Martine:] Yeah. And the other thing is of course that... Mrs... is d doing... like she's taking the, the modern musicals and things that have been, you know, down in London, like Cats and Starlight Express and things... and she's trying to imitate those, well there's no way she could ever get it as good... so she's better off doing something completely different. You know, something more traditional, you know like maybe doing a few things out of The Sound of Music.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Or, you know, that people... ooh yes, that's it, The Sound of Music. I think that'd go down bett or I mean even... like when we did the pantomimes, you remember Cinderella we did?
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] I mean it was brilliant really wasn't it?
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []
[Martine:] For like such a amateur... er company to do, but people loved it because they... they understood everything that was going on. There was dancing in it, there was singing in it.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Er I think she's a bit too ambitious sometimes. And we were right in the front row and that ruddy music she had! Were you near the front?
[speaker001:] Ooh that... but do you know she has the music... too high
[Martine:] Too loud.
[speaker001:] for th even when, when the children are singing
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] you can't, I know I don't hear very well, but it was too h too high for to hear them singing.
[Martine:] Yeah it drowning them out.
[speaker001:] That's what I thought when that little boy, I mean... he was lovely singing that
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] on his own
[Martine:] That was her youngest, her lad.
[speaker001:] That's her youngest boy. Ah he was lovely, bless him.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But er, like I said they've... they do work, she does work very hard with them and er... but Mrs hasn't got a way with her at all has she?
[Martine:] Not really.... No.
[speaker001:] No. Never has, and she'll never change now
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] will she?...
[Martine:] No.... Oh we were having a laugh. Remember when we did that space ship scene?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] And we had the guns
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] and we were saying about her mum, Mrs... don't you knacker them B guns! Do you remember her shouting at me and Nicola for
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] firing them?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Cos we said them young kids that had the trumpets for that thing, I bet she had a go at them and all not to knacker them.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Ooh dear []
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Ooh dear me []
[speaker001:] But still I said to er Con well, oh well I said to Irene I did, I said it's good for... er.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] They get a lot of money out of it don't they?
[Martine:] They do.
[speaker001:] They get all the door money.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And they get er the raffle
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] the money from the raffle as well. Well I mean they don't have a great lot... so a concert, did you see the dresses? They were, weren't hemmed or anything. Well I said... that's understandable, she said well.
[Martine:] Well
[speaker001:] And I said she never used to do the hem, the er hems when
[Martine:] No, no.
[speaker001:] Nicola and Martine were in it. But then again I said perhaps they'll have to... perhaps they'll be thrown on one side some of them.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] They'll never be used again. And to be honest I said... it wasn't worth wasting a lot of time on them.
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] Because it was only cheap er material
[Martine:] Well that's it.
[speaker001:] wasn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah. I must admit I did recognize a few outfits that me and Nicola used to wear. Honestly.
[speaker001:] Did you?
[Martine:] Yeah. These orange tops, we used to do a dance to Vandervalk. You know that [singing] do do do doo do do doo do do doo doo doo do do []. I recogni I said mum that's the ruddy Vandervalk [LAUGHTER] costumes []. These orange ti we, we used to think they were lovely.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[Martine:] Erm recognized those and a couple of other things. Erm... and me mum was saying how Dyllis
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] remember with Helen and Susan? Erm when they were doing the dance thingies cos she was a dressmaker, Dyllis was, she used to say... look at these! She hasn't even put seams on them. And she used to do Helen and Susan's, she used to sew all the edges up and everything.
[speaker001:] Did she?
[Martine:] Oh aye. On every costume. She wasn't letting her kids go out
[speaker001:] Well the sleeves you can't notice well I said I noticed
[Martine:] Yeah, all fraying.
[speaker001:] I said but, but I said I knew
[Martine:] Well that's it.
[speaker001:] that she didn't do any hems or anything.
[Martine:] When you're making all that lot
[speaker001:] No.
[Martine:] I don't suppose you're bothered whether they've got hems and neat edges on them.
[speaker001:] And what was it said was it your mum said she's not very well or something, Mrs 's mother.... And she's had to have someone to help her to do, to
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] make the dresses this time.
[Martine:] Yeah she hadn't done them all this time. [LAUGHTER] I said you could pick out... the ones Ma had done. They were the ones with the tatty sleeves. Ooh [].
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Ah dear me []
[Martine:] We thoroughly enjoyed it, having said that.
[speaker001:] Oh yes!
[Martine:] I was
[speaker001:] Oh I enjoyed it, don't get me wrong.
[Martine:] Yeah. It was
[speaker001:] But er
[Martine:] a nice change as well.
[speaker001:] but I suppose the likes of me, bit old fashioned aren't we? And there'd be a lot more like me, those elderly people that were there.
[Martine:] Well that's it.
[speaker001:] You know they would rather see... the old concerts.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Do you know what I mean? But I know
[Martine:] I, I do.
[speaker001:] Mrs has got to... work with the times hasn't she?
[Martine:] Well I suppose so. Because that's the thing like, although... if she did something a bit more traditional, it'd probably please the likes of us... but when you think, the kids that are doing it, if she says oh we're doing something out of Starlight Express it'll be aah! Oh! You know, I mean that would appeal to them
[speaker001:] Mm.
[Martine:] because they'd think it was really important and
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] and they'd probably rather wanna d... rather do that that
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] than something, you know like a pantomime or something. But er these
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] these met us... Dad and Mike met us in the pub after.
[speaker001:] Yeah?
[Martine:] I, me and mum went in my car
[speaker001:] Yeah?
[Martine:] and then er dad and Mike come down in the Sierra and met us in the pub. So we had a
[speaker001:] Yeah. The Red Lion did you go?
[Martine:] Yeah. So we had a... we stopped in there, we were only gonna have one in there but... it was alright in there, we had a nice table and that so... we had a good natter
[speaker001:] You were
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So you didn't see anyone much that you knew?
[Martine:] Erm Hayley 's mum... come to see me. Ooh
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] she said oh let me have your address!
[speaker001:] Oh yeah
[Martine:] Our Hayley, our Hayley's getting married.
[speaker001:] your mum told me about her. Yeah.
[Martine:] Our Hayley's got a big lump hasn't she!
[speaker001:] Yes.
[Martine:] The size of her!
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah.
[Martine:] You know she used to be so petite, but god them damn legs on her!
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Like er... body builder.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Ooh I didn't like them when they were dressed as skeletons.
[speaker001:] They what?
[Martine:] When they were... did that skeleton dance, Hayley and another one. You know when they
[speaker001:] Oh no.
[Martine:] they were dressed as skeletons, I didn't like that....
[speaker001:] No.
[Martine:] Ooh they looked horrible.
[speaker001:] I think, was it Con asking wh who were they? Think she was asking your mum... who were they. But er... anyhow... [LAUGHTER] to me I enjoyed it when I knew some of the children. [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I shouldn't say these things I s I know but
[Martine:] I thought Sally was good.
[speaker001:] If you don't well you don't do you?
[Martine:] Well that's it. Sally was very good.
[speaker001:] Yeah I mean Sally was very good wasn't she?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Mm.... And Robert wasn't too bad I don't think.
[Martine:] No, he was a bit bored really.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] But er... er Bren wanted to go to the pub
[speaker001:] Well I don't, I, I expect Bren Eh?
[Martine:] Bren was dying to go to the pub. [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] He... I thought he might have sneaked out and come back again when [] I know he wouldn't leave Robert like, you know
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] but er
[Martine:] When mum said that we were meeting Mike and er dad in the pub he s it was only about eight o'clock or something and he said... will they be there yet, will they be there if I go and have a pint with them?
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Me mum said no they're not coming till ten o'clock.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] And we won the bottle of wine, did mum tell you?
[speaker001:] What?
[Martine:] We won the raffle.
[speaker001:] Ooh yeah!
[Martine:] Aye.
[speaker001:] Yes er... Susan told me. Susan
[Martine:] I was a bit annoyed, I wanted the cuddly toy but me mum wouldn't let me.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Ooh [LAUGHTER] Oh well, was it.
[Martine:] I don't know.
[speaker001:] Ooh.... Oh dear. Well I didn't see a soul that I kn I mean I used to go and used to see people like
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] from Bradley and Annie and
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Ooh I don't
[Martine:] Times change don't they?
[speaker001:] But we went for Sally really didn't we?
[Martine:] Well that's it.
[speaker001:] Didn't expect to see people like that though.
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] There you are. She's very, she, she likes it so
[Martine:] Yeah, I think she was very good.
[speaker001:] But er she doesn't go to do the tapping does she? Just d
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] doesn't do this er... doesn't like this person that does it instead of er... Mrs.
[Martine:] Well no it's Hayley that takes it
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] she doesn't like Hayley.
[speaker001:] She's nasty with them though isn't she?
[Martine:] Yeah. I can imagine her being a little bitch.
[speaker001:] And Mrs didn't like Susan telling her
[Martine:] Oh.
[speaker001:] that Sally wasn't going again cos she didn't like her.
[Martine:] Mm.
[speaker001:] She just shrugged her shoulders. Well Susan said I can't make her come if she doesn't want to come.
[Martine:] And y best to be honest, it's no good saying... you know making up something.
[speaker001:] I mean she wasn't she wasn't making any l
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] telling any lies... and making excuses.
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] She told her the plain truth. But er she didn't like it.
[Martine:] No, I can imagine.
[speaker001:] But it didn't, it hasn't put Sally off er dancing sort of thing.
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] You know. Oh.
[Martine:] Well I can imagine this Hayley not being very good with the little ones.
[speaker001:] Can you?
[Martine:] Yeah. I can imagine her being a bit er... well not, not bossy like
[speaker001:] I know when I used to come to your dancing classes isn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And I know that I mean they, they've got to be corrected, I, I understand
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] all that
[Martine:] But it's whether you've got the right way isn't it?
[speaker001:] else, or else they'd never do it properly would they?
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] Ah. Anyhow... that's it, so
[Martine:] Well aye.
[speaker001:] Yeah. That's it.
[Martine:] What was I gonna say?
[speaker001:] So you saw you've seen Jackie's photo in the
[Martine:] Oh that's what I was gonna say then ah!
[speaker001:] Yeah. It was in that free paper
[Martine:] The Free Press?...
[speaker001:] that I had, oh I should have kept that!... Anyhow I don't know what I did with it, but anyhow it was in the Friday's Leader wasn't it?
[Martine:] That's it.
[speaker001:] So I did say to your mum here you, you would see Jackie's photo.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yes she said, I did.
[Martine:] She's doing very well isn't she?
[speaker001:] Oh and you'd telling everybody up and down that... Jackie's had her theatre gr it's this week she's there isn't it?
[Martine:] No, last week. It was the last day last Friday.
[speaker001:] Oh was it now?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So she'd be telling everybody I expect.
[Martine:] Do you see anything of her, Annie?...
[speaker001:] No, we're not, we're not, I don't see anything of them do I?
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] So...
[Martine:] But me mum noticed though erm... cos I said eh have you seen the picture of Jackie in the paper? But we've noticed the last few times it's all Jacqueline now.
[speaker001:] Oh! Is it really?
[Martine:] She do doesn't have Jackie any more, it's Jacqueline, full name. Must be Gwyneth's influence on her that.
[speaker001:] Ooh!
[Martine:] Aye. Cos I had a
[speaker001:] Perhaps she thinks it sounds n better. Which it does really.
[Martine:] Well it does really, yeah. Specially when it, her surname's as common as.
[speaker001:] Yeah.... Yeah.
[Martine:] But I know, fair play she's doing very well isn't she?
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah
[Martine:] I haven't seen Denise since... new er... before Christmas I saw Denise. I had a Christmas card off her... er... but I haven't seen her. I should make an effort but she's
[speaker001:] Well, well we don't, I haven't seen Annie since er Christmas... just before Christmas.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And it was er... beginning of December really. It was a while before Christmas so
[Martine:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Anyhow, that's it.... But there's quite a few stopped going to the club with... women not being well and their legs bad and
[Martine:] Ah
[speaker001:] goodness knows what, so
[Martine:] It's this damn winter.
[speaker001:] Well the weather, the weather doe hasn't helped.
[Martine:] Yeah. Roll on summer.
[speaker001:] And there were quite a few members had started coming from up the lane... and some of the people.
[Martine:] Some of the what people?
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Some of what []?
[speaker001:] Some people from up the lane which, you know there's some... and the women were alright, don't get me
[Martine:] Mm?
[speaker001:] wrong, but they didn't like to play cos all those from up the lane were coming to... their club sort of thing.
[Martine:] What where's she mean
[speaker001:] The people
[Martine:] up the lane there?
[speaker001:] Wheatsheaf Lane.
[Martine:] Oh right.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] But like what I saw of the women, they looked alright to me. It never used to bother me
[Martine:] Why, are they some of them a bit
[speaker001:] I mean they paid to go in and just the sa and the women looked alright.
[Martine:] Why, aren't they supposed to be very savoury?
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[Martine:] Aren't they supposed to be very nice, these women from up the lane?
[speaker001:] Well there's sort of a lot of rough ones up the lane isn't there?
[Martine:] Ooh.
[speaker001:] Ooh it's a terrible place up the lane.
[Martine:] Is it?
[speaker001:] Oh! I used to hate it.... And we used to go visiting, my Auntie Irene lived there and... And we used to go on a Saturday night, I used to ooh... and I've told her, I used to tell I wouldn't live that, live up that lane rent free.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] I hated it. Simply hated it. And when we were going up to ooh.... No I never liked it.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] But I still haven't taken to it []. But it's got worse now, it's terrible up there.
[Martine:] Has it?
[speaker001:] Lot of rough ones there now.
[Martine:] Mm. You're like Bradley snobs you lot down here.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Oh! Well we are this end, but I mean they have a bit of trouble down... down there by the club
[Martine:] Oh.
[speaker001:] on a Saturday night after they've been turned out, these young ones
[Martine:] Mm.
[speaker001:] cause a bit of trouble down there but... I must say we don't have it here now.
[Martine:] No, touch wood.
[speaker001:] So anyhow...
[Martine:] Touch wood.
[speaker001:] That's it.
[Martine:] Is er... has what's his name, the angry man been up to any antics lately?... Has she been to see you?
[speaker001:] Yeah, she come yesterday er... Monday.
[Martine:] Mhm....
[speaker001:] Er... no, he's got a bad shoulder. He's, he's a big baby he is.... And he's been to the doctors, he goes to... doctor
[Martine:] Yeah?
[speaker001:] not... the other one.
[Martine:] Ah
[speaker001:] the darkish...
[Martine:] ?... Doctor?
[speaker001:] No, not... Not they goes to now. It's a darkish er funny name.... He doesn't go to, he doesn't go to that surgery now.
[Martine:] Doesn't he?
[speaker001:] No. Haven't done for a long time.
[Martine:] I don't know. I'm not very up to date.
[speaker001:] You know he's... isn't he, hasn't he got one of his own up in or something?
[Martine:] ?... Could have yeah.
[speaker001:] I think he has.
[Martine:] Seem to think me mum's said something like that.
[speaker001:] That is not very nice.
[Martine:] No?...
[speaker001:] So they have the darky which they like, the darky...... refused to come out to er... Kevin's children.
[Martine:] Did he?
[speaker001:] So Sandra changed straight away. She said... if he can't come out to the children... And he has good as told her... that he hadn't got much time for children, visiting children.... So she thought well it's no use to going to him.
[Martine:] Well that's not the attitude to have is it?
[speaker001:] So... just up the lane she goes. Think she goes to er there are four or five doctors... at the clinic up the lane. So she goes there.... Oh.
[Martine:] So what's wrong with... his shoulder?
[speaker001:] Oh... he's only pulled a ligament.
[Martine:] Oh. Big babby.
[speaker001:] So he'd been to the doctors about... few weeks ago... and he'd been repairing his shed, said there was water coming in... and he went to he said oh... you've pulled a ligament or something he said, it'll take weeks for it to clear up but anyhow... he went back again about a fortnight ago. Oh he said er... I'll send you to see a specialist. So he's waiting to go, so... when I think that he's had a... an appointment, I might stand a chance of having one afterwards, I don't know.
[Martine:] Yeah....
[speaker001:] But old he, he couldn't care less. Just er up the lane to the clinic
[Mike:] Aye
[speaker001:] and I go about every eight weeks I think but er
[Mike:] She could go as often as she wanted to the clinic, but they won't come out to her
[speaker001:] No
[Mike:] and being that she's not very good on her legs well, she has to have one to come out.
[speaker001:] Well isn't there a clinic that she could go to?
[Mike:] Well only by getting a lift to the clinic, yeah, that's the only way she could get there
[speaker001:] Yeah, well it's a long way?
[Mike:] No it's only in Buckley
[speaker001:] Oh
[Mike:] but with us in work all the time, time we get home from work the chiropodist's gone
[speaker001:] Yeah can't she get transport
[Martine:] Why which clinic is it the
[speaker001:] can't she get transport besides like
[Mike:] well she can only get a taxi I suppose
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] Well why can't sh
[speaker001:] no buses or anything that goes
[Mike:] No there's no buses run there
[speaker001:] Well I wouldn't be able to get there only for Connie really
[Mike:] Mm
[speaker001:] because it's right up in
[Martine:] Well why can't Nora walk to it?
[Mike:] Well you know what she's like, she's not very stylish on her legs is she?
[Martine:] I know, but she walks as far as that
[speaker001:] So it comes a bit expensive for her then doesn't it?
[Mike:] Yeah...
[speaker001:] Mm... oh dear
[Martine:] She has er, she's got very wide feet as well Nora has
[speaker001:] Has she?
[Martine:] and er, she bought some well some new shoes ages ago, she has er about an F extra wide fitting really, er wide
[speaker001:] Wide
[Martine:] er she bought these new leather shoes quite a while ago, but even they and they were the widest she could buy, but they needed stretching, so Joanne, Paul's girlfriend, had got one of these shoe stretching things, you put it in and twist it and it goes up and up, well even that at it's highest wouldn't, you know, at it's furthest, well it was sticking out as far as it could go, even that wasn't filling it, so she stuck a spud down the end of it [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] She done a what?
[Martine:] She wedged it in with a spud, with a potato
[speaker001:] I know
[Martine:] and then did it and it's worked so they've, they've stretched now
[speaker001:] Oh that's a good idea I er stuff mine with er newspaper
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] but I know that doesn't do much good really
[Martine:] No well she had this special thing so it's done the trick so she hasn't worn it yet though, I think she's doing it for the wedding ain't she?
[Mike:] Yeah
[speaker001:] Oh she had new shoes
[Martine:] She's gonna wear them
[speaker001:] for the wedding?
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] Soon come round now won't it?
[Mike:] Oh yeah
[Martine:] Yeah twenty fifth of April
[speaker001:] Mm
[Martine:] Ah it'll be your Paul's birthday second, first of April
[Mike:] Mm
[Martine:] April fools' day Paul's birthday is
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] ah, Paul's birthday is on April fools' day
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] so er we must remember to buy him a card and something
[speaker001:] Mm, mm
[Martine:] get him a sweatshirt or something
[speaker001:] Janice is a... is it Friday or Saturday? Saturday, he's forty on Saturday
[Martine:] Good god
[speaker001:] She doesn't want a no fuss and I said ooh, I said I forgot about her being forty, I bought the card a few weeks ago
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] oh Irene said never I bet it's granddaughter that's on it, I said yeah it is, so any
[Martine:] Well I, she might not want reminding that she's forty
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] good god
[speaker001:] No she doesn't want any fuss, Con's made her a big cake I believe a very nice cake Eileen said
[Martine:] Mm, mm, is she busy with doing her cakes Con?
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[Martine:] Is she busy doing cakes at the moment, Aunty Con?
[speaker001:] No she's not doing many
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] I think she's glad of the rest to be honest
[Martine:] Ah
[speaker001:] she has got another one besides Janice's, er, but I think it's a birthday cake... yeah it is a birthday cake
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] er [LAUGHTER]... er Irene's called this morning as they were going to
[Martine:] mm, mm
[speaker001:] and she said Con had rung her up to say Kevin is going abroad, the other side of the world
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] I can't remember the name, there's four of them going from Aerospace
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] and they've had to have er, no end of injections, different injections
[Martine:] To do with work or?
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] Good god
[speaker001:] I forget the country, I couldn't remember [LAUGHTER] Eileen was laughing, so she says I don't know how Kevin would be, I don't know whether it's today, he's gone she said, he's had to have one up his bum [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Good god, when does he go?
[speaker001:] I don't know when he goes, I haven't heard the story properly, cos I was upstairs and, er well Ron was half way upstairs and Eileen come on to the landing and I was in the bathroom, so I says I'll come down, no she says you needn't bother cos we're not staying we've only just er come to see how you are
[Martine:] Gosh
[speaker001:] so she just told me that so I'll have all the news of Colin tomorrow they've gone for a week
[Martine:] You don't know how long you think he's going for?
[speaker001:] A week he's going for
[Martine:] Oh, god it's not long to, to have all those injections, it's not long to go for
[speaker001:] Well it's very bad country of
[Martine:] ooh
[speaker001:] of them having all these injections
[Martine:] Good god
[speaker001:] They're not just ordinary injections
[Martine:] No...
[speaker001:] so I don't know, I'll have the news tomorrow
[Martine:] All will be revealed
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[Martine:] All will be revealed
[speaker001:] I don't know how I, I feel sorry for the children because they'll miss Kevin won't they?
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] But er I think it'll be a good break for Kevin... but er I expect Sandra will miss him as well
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] Oh any
[Martine:] Mind you a week won't be too bad it might do them good mightn't it?
[speaker001:] Because he's a kind of a foreman now you see so er
[Martine:] Oh
[speaker001:] I suppose er he feels that he's got to go I expect
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] I don't feel he's got to go, but, he's lucky I suppose to be chosen to go
[Martine:] Well that's it, it might lead to better things mightn't it, I say it might do them good to be away from each other for a week any way, mightn't it?
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, yeah
[Martine:] And the kids for that matter
[speaker001:] Anyhow
[Martine:] very good... how's uncle Ron?
[speaker001:] [sigh] er Irene was er, erm bath on a Tuesday and Ron usually goes, Ron doesn't stay in very long, Irene just goes for about half an hour so she said Ron isn't coming to the bath today, he's got a bad throat, and I never thought to say, how is his throat this
[Martine:] Oh
[speaker001:] morning, but it must've been alright because er he was going off with David, I said you got tablets for him and she said yeah plenty of stuff for him, anyway, he seemed, he looked alright anyhow
[Martine:] Oh good
[speaker001:] so...
[Martine:] I think we'll all be a lot better when the summer gets here
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] I think this weather gets a lot of people down doesn't it? I know it hasn't been bad can't complain can we?
[speaker001:] Oh I think we've had a marvellous winter
[Martine:] But erm, even so I think that
[speaker001:] we've had the rain and the wind haven't we?
[Martine:] That's it yeah
[speaker001:] But it's been marvellous really, but they did have snow last weekend, did you have any in last weekend?
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] Well Brin was working somewhere on your dad's lawn
[Martine:] Good god
[speaker001:] just a shower, a snow shower
[Martine:] [yawning] no []
[speaker001:] oh where he was working I don't know, it was Ron that was saying last Sunday when I was there
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] so I don't know where it was, but er, he, he was working
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] so, where are you working Mike?
[Mike:] Ellesmere Port
[speaker001:] Oh, is it
[Mike:] don't know how long for
[speaker001:] got a lot of work there?
[Mike:] Not much left there now, no
[speaker001:] No
[Mike:] begging jester then
[speaker001:] Oh... and I didn't think it was so near your mum going, well I suppose I never
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] think of looking at the date, I knew the dates twenty fourth to the twenty seventh, I never, I never thought to look, but er
[Martine:] No it's
[speaker001:] she said er just next week is it?
[Martine:] what eighteenth to... yeah eighteenth today
[speaker001:] Yeah, next week
[Martine:] so it's next Tuesday
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, yeah
[Martine:] It's gone quick ain't it? We're dog and house sitting
[speaker001:] Yeah... she said you were going, oh
[Martine:] Yeah, great
[speaker001:] so she was telling me all about it and er, the times they were going, oh it'll be nice for them
[Martine:] Yeah they don't go to
[speaker001:] She'll want to take some warm clothes
[Martine:] Ooh I'll say
[speaker001:] it might be colder there than it is here
[Martine:] Yeah, they don't go till six o'clock on the Tuesday night
[speaker001:] Oh, ah
[Martine:] so we can take erm down to Mold wherever they've
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] wherever they go from
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] erm... and it, we'll be staying up there
[speaker001:] Is it Mold that er
[Martine:] I think so
[speaker001:] I think they get, I think it's Mold they go
[Martine:] er did she say whereabout?
[Mike:] Evening Leader Office
[Martine:] Aye, by the Evening Leader Office
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] on, on the Wrexham road coming out of Mold, er pardon me, erm and then I've got a couple of days holiday to use up still from work
[speaker001:] Oh have you?
[Martine:] so I might have a couple of days off and then I can be with Laddie and take him for walks and everything
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] save getting Teggy to do it
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] and so
[speaker001:] perhaps she's perhaps she's she doesn't know that, she said Teggy would be looking after er Laddie
[Martine:] Yeah, er
[speaker001:] she said might and er Martine is coming to stay, well I thought you would do really, because er, I didn't think they'd leave the house
[Martine:] No, we love going up there anyway, it'll be like a holiday... I say it'll be like a holiday for us, we love going up there
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] Great, get some nice fresh air in us lungs
[speaker001:] Yeah, right
[Martine:] So... it'll soon be Easter as well won't it?
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[Martine:] It'll soon be Easter
[speaker001:] Yeah it will
[Martine:] That's er, April
[speaker001:] Mm
[Martine:] and so we might
[speaker001:] so she was thirteen, I, I have trodden on the mat that one of the round, the cruise of the Rhine
[Martine:] You've done that, have you?
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] Ooh
[speaker001:] and er... I looked at the advert in the paper and they go to er, where they make those, wines and
[Martine:] Ooh, ooh that sounds alright
[speaker001:] spirits on, spirit something, well I said where we went I said you're doing something similar to what we did, we had brandy and it took us all through the cellars
[Martine:] You dammed alky
[speaker001:] and gave us brandy, gave us brand oh... oh that's it...
[Martine:] Mm, mm, yes... is there anything you want on now or you want snooker and football on?
[Mike:] There's football on this side
[Martine:] Oh
[Mike:] Liverpool
[Martine:] Liverpool you want?
[Mike:] Yeah
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] I put it on, er what was I gonna say then? What were we just talking about then? Oh I, when did you go to Germany then?
[speaker001:] Oh years ago
[Martine:] How many years ago?
[speaker001:] I think it was my first hol... it was my first holiday abroad
[Martine:] Oh was it?
[speaker001:] I went with the W I
[Martine:] Good god...
[speaker001:] Yeah, we had a good holiday though
[Martine:] Er, who would be with you then Freda or something?
[speaker001:] The first time I'd gone abroad
[Martine:] Who would of been with you then Freda or didn't you, weren't you?
[speaker001:] Er Freda, yeah
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] Freda and Mrs who used to keep the fish shop and another person Joyce, she wasn't very big, we used to call her little Joyce
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Oh we had, we had a good laugh really did, it was a good holiday
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] but er
[Martine:] I wonder if you'd seen much change in it if you went back now
[speaker001:] Mm, well I'd expect we would, but er
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] I didn't, we didn't think to take down all the different places we went to you know
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] and you can't remember them it'd be our first er holiday abroad, but er
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] we really enjoyed it, it's a laugh up the Rhine
[Martine:] Yeah, well it'll be a nice change for mum and dad anyway won't it?
[speaker001:] Yeah it'll be a nice change for them
[Martine:] Yeah, smashing
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] We went to Southport the other week did mum tell you we went?
[speaker001:] Oh yes your mum said
[Martine:] Er be fortnight ago
[speaker001:] it's coming true it's coming he'll soon be two the little boy
[Martine:] August
[speaker001:] God how time flies
[Martine:] You should see him, well, he's so wiry, he's into everything, how they cope with him, he's not naughty as such but he's such erm
[speaker001:] You think he's a bit highly strung?
[Martine:] Erm yeah, do you Mike?
[Mike:] What's that?
[Martine:] Think James is a bit highly strung
[Mike:] Yeah, well, he's like any little kids I think
[speaker001:] Mm
[Mike:] there's no stopping them is there?
[Martine:] Yeah he's not he won't
[speaker001:] Mind some are worse than others aren't they?
[Martine:] Yeah
[Mike:] Mm
[Martine:] I think sometimes I can't help but think it's how they made him in a way, you know, like I, you, sometimes your, I think you should sit down and play with something, but he won't sit quiet and amuse himself
[speaker001:] No
[Martine:] he's running up and down and thing, you know I... I don't know maybe it is the way he is, but
[speaker001:] Perhaps it is his nature you know
[Martine:] Yeah, but er, he's a cracking little lad
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] er and they might be coming up to stop with us at some time over Easter
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] so er, cos me heart was in me mouth when they come up for Christmas, and that's the last time they were up I thought me tree's gonna go over, you know, I thought if he pulls at me tree or anything, but, he was, he was as good as gold for not, he wasn't trying to get me ornaments or anything, he was er, you know, just happy to play with his own toys, so he wasn't naughty.
[speaker001:] Oh well, well they've got to be taught haven't they?
[Martine:] Well that's it
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] No
[Martine:] I tell you what's nice to see them again
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] she's, she's only just had her money through, remember when we met them in Tenerife
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] she not long had that bad car accident
[speaker001:] Ooh has she?
[Martine:] at Claire's, yeah, er, she'd been a passenger and somebody had come into them and oh she was in a hell of a state, all, lucky to be alive really, she nearly lost erm, her arm and everything, lost, nearly lost the use of her arm, she's had a lot of facial surgery stuff and that and all her teeth had been knocked out and oh she was in hospital for months and months
[speaker001:] Good lord
[Martine:] and that's why if you remember she was pregnant when we met her
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] but she had a miscarriage when she went home
[speaker001:] Yes she lost the baby
[Martine:] and they thought, they said then it was connected with the accident, erm because it, you know, she was in such a bad way, and, the other fellow was to blame, I think he'd been drinking, I'm not sure, but they're claiming off the insurance and they reckon she's gonna be entitled to around a hundred thousand pounds compensation, because, not only has she had these physical injuries, but because she had a knock on the head it's also affecting her mental state
[speaker001:] Oh dear
[Martine:] erm... sort of, at fir, you know, at first I thought sometimes you know oh, you know what's the matter with you like but, she admits herself, her I Q, you know how they judge your intelligence has gone right down, she has to have tests every now and again, er she can't concentrate on things, or, you know some things she just can't do any more, so she's at, supposed to be getting all this compensation and it's been going on now, it was two years ago, three years ago that we met them and she's only just had the first part of her money, she's had five thousand pounds, that's all she can get for the time being all the rest is, cos all solicitors and everything and doctors having to come and check things, so she knows, she knows she'll get money eventually, but er, it's just when, but isn't it an awful thing? Ah
[speaker001:] Well Valerie was, she was the same weren't she?
[Martine:] That's right, yeah she'll be going through all the same thing trying to get money
[speaker001:] Ooh, oh no
[Martine:] Terrible is she out of hospital now and that?
[speaker001:] and, and Valerie and now they've bought the daughter a car, she's been a naughty girl really, they've given her everything haven't they?
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] Then she got engaged, but er Valerie thought that would settle her down
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] which was wrong, Valerie was over the moon really that she got engaged to this fellow, but he was much older than er... Michelle and I, and er he didn't want to settle down
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] so the engagement was broken off and then after that... she sort of she went to live in a flat, she left home and went to live in a flat and she's been up and down
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] in Rochet, now she's up in Pentrybrogan, and that's when the accident happened
[Martine:] Oh
[speaker001:] she was taken out of work one morning... and now they've bought her another car... and I don't where it's happened but somebody's gone into the back of her
[Martine:] Oh god
[speaker001:] all the car's bashed in Michelle hadn't heard the story properly
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] but Valerie's she's, she's going on alright but er, she can't move those fingers
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] she can move them but she's got no use in them, so they said it'll take a long time
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] and they might never come back again
[Martine:] Terrible isn't it?
[speaker001:] which will be a big blow to er Valerie, because she run Family Fashions
[Martine:] that's right, yeah
[speaker001:] you know all the books and things, and she did a lot of sewing didn't she?
[Martine:] Mm...
[speaker001:] But er I did go with Con when I went for a perm she said oh would you like to, would you like to go and see Valerie
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] I have and er we just went for about ten minutes, but she's alright in herself
[Martine:] Yeah, it's a shame innit?
[speaker001:] Yeah, there we are
[Martine:] I don't know
[speaker001:] and er they said well they, they'll have no trouble with er compensation
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] but it was Shell that ran into her
[Martine:] Was it?
[speaker001:] It wasn't the man's fault really of Shell, it was another car really that caused the
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] trouble sort of thing, but er... I don't know whether they bought it thinking they'll have all this money or what but er
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] I don't think they're short of money to be honest cos Valerie has a good job
[Martine:] I know it's nice to have the compensation, but when you think of what you're missing
[speaker001:] Oh the money isn't everything is it?
[Martine:] That's it it's nothing at the end of the day
[speaker001:] It will only buy so much, it won't buy everything money won't.
[Martine:] What if you lose the use of your hand it won't buy that back
[speaker001:] Well that's it
[Martine:] will it?
[speaker001:] and she's had a plate put in there
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] she did show me that and then she's got it like straps on it where she can take it off... but er oh she
[Martine:] It goes through you doesn't it?
[speaker001:] Mm, it does, it's true
[Martine:] I don't know
[speaker001:] and then the trouble soon be off, won't she?
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] Alice came and erm, in the night to Con and they go to er America
[Martine:] How is
[speaker001:] They're in camp for a holiday
[Martine:] Are they?
[speaker001:] Jane and her husband
[Martine:] Oh that's nice
[speaker001:] and er Jane's er in-laws
[Martine:] Oh, big happy families
[speaker001:] She's a bit nervous
[Martine:] oh
[speaker001:] She said Monday night I, er I don't know whether we've done the right thing by booking this holiday she said, I'm thinking about the travelling in the air, it'll be in travelling for eleven hours... so she said I don't know how I'll be, I said it's no use looking at it like that Alice now
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] if you've booked it, I said you ought to look forward to it but er, I suppose it's just come over her
[Martine:] Yeah...
[speaker001:] so, that's it
[Martine:] Oh I can imagine it being a bit strained off and on with er two lots of parents or do they know each other well and everything?
[speaker001:] She gets on alright with er Phil's mother and father
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] I don't know if they've been on holiday with them
[Martine:] Well I was, there's nothing to say they've got to all stick together they can all do their own thing can't they?
[speaker001:] Oh they'll stick together I should imagine, but er, there you are
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] so... Ooh look at the people there
[Martine:] Yeah and the lad from work's a scouser he's said it, I'm going home now to watch the football, I think he's going there actually, I think he could be there, Rob you know him
[speaker001:] Mm...
[Martine:] bloody rubbish it is... The what? yeah, so she said...
[speaker001:] Well she brought a pie and she brought some er punch round
[Martine:] Oh
[speaker001:] and er, she said can I warm it? And she warmed that and she had er this er steak and
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] kidney pie... and er, I said what's Spike having? He's having he was having punch
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] I've got
[speaker001:] what a nice mac she said
[Martine:] Yeah, she said the other, er yesterday, er I don't know what it's like she hasn't told me yet, oh er me mum's bought one, oh aye, me mum's is very nice I've seen that, I know me dad's had one as well.
[speaker001:] Yes he's had one as well
[Martine:] Yeah, er yeah me mum's is nice like a mustardy colour
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] long, very nice, very posh, erm I don't know what me dad's is like, er me mum was laughing er yesterday erm with er doing all this work she'd done a load of washing and pegged it all out and when she'd got in from work dad had ironed it all
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] I've, I've never ever known him to iron anything ever since I've been you know, little, I've never seen him iron anything but me mum was in fits because he'd even ironed the socks [LAUGHTER] so she said she didn't have the heart to tell him that she doesn't usually bother with the ruddy socks, but er the thought was there wasn't it?
[speaker001:] Very nice, oh yes
[Martine:] Good god
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] ironing socks
[speaker001:] good lord that is
[Martine:] he'll
[speaker001:] the latest innit?
[Martine:] Well I tell you what like, I never bother ironing socks, but
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] I do iron me pants but I only just show them the iron
[Martine:] well I just, well that's it
[speaker001:] show them the iron and
[Martine:] flip them over, but there's er Sally and Russell that live across the road from us, er when Russell her husband lived at home, his mum always used to iron his socks and his boxer shorts and everything, now he won't wear them unless she's ironed them... he won't
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] she's tried just shoving them, and he won't, haven't, he won't wear them
[speaker001:] Mm, no point in ironing socks
[Martine:] I said I'd wrap them round his damn neck
[speaker001:] no point in ironing socks
[Martine:] I might try and iron as little as they possible can
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] but like say I'm alright like cos Mike doesn't have a shirt for work or anything like some people, with, with, they've got an office job, he'd have to have five clean shirts for the week wouldn't he?
[speaker001:] Quite
[Martine:] And all ironed and, I'm glad I don't have to do that, he has his old jumper on and a T-shirt... smashing
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] saves me the job anyway
[speaker001:] Yeah...
[Martine:] Ooh... [yawn] I can't stop yawning... I've been going into work a bit earlier lately
[speaker001:] You have?
[Martine:] Yeah, I'm usually in for about quarter to eight, half seven, quarter to eight
[speaker001:] Finish earlier?
[Martine:] Erm yeah, can finish at four o'clock then
[speaker001:] Oh very good
[Martine:] so er next week I'm going to start going swimming straight from work as part of my keep fit
[speaker001:] Very good
[Martine:] Well I
[speaker001:] Adrian looks forward to going er, she just does half an hour
[Martine:] Aye, she goes up to
[speaker001:] Up in Summerhill
[Martine:] does she? Yeah
[speaker001:] every Tuesday
[Martine:] Well I, I think it's nice, supposed to be a very good way to relax and everything
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] isn't it?
[speaker001:] Yeah, well she said she, she feels it does her, her legs good
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] so
[Martine:] [yawning] Oh I'm gonna start going, I haven't been swimming [] for that long and I've been saying off and on oh I must go, I must go, but when it's so cold outside you don't feel like coming out with all wet hair and all that
[speaker001:] Oh but I said once I said and I, when she's been going and it's been cold out there I said to her cos she always comes on a Tuesday dinner time
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] when I'm just gonna have my she only has a biscuit, sometimes she'll bring scones or cake or, if she'd been baking
[Martine:] Well, yeah
[speaker001:] and er, I say oh, and they allow you to go in this cold weather
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] but she said it's lovely and warm when they get there
[Martine:] Ooh I bet
[speaker001:] she said, lovely and warm
[Martine:] Yeah...
[speaker001:] You had your Poll Tax forms? Renewals
[Martine:] No
[Mike:] No
[speaker001:] No, ooh we've had ours on the
[Martine:] What, how much is yours?
[speaker001:] I haven't had them back yet
[Martine:] Oh... ours is, Mike knows somebody, one of the lads, their mum works in the Poll Tax Office in Buckley and erm, she reckons that, that ours will be going up about fifty pound is it?
[Mike:] Yeah
[speaker001:] How much?
[Martine:] She reckons ours will go up about fifty quid...
[speaker001:] It's awful really when you think there's such a lot of people got away with it all
[Martine:] Well this is it... we've said like, there's so much that everybody's got to pay for non-payers isn't there?
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] Erm, I don't think we should pay it
[speaker001:] I don't think so either
[Martine:] certainly don't, but the thing is that
[speaker001:] I should say just pay your own and that's enough
[Martine:] yeah, the thing is, the people that are paying it, we're paying more than we've ever paid before and we're getting less back
[speaker001:] Yes
[Martine:] like for a kick off, he went down to the skip last Saturday, the tip, we had, er he was clearing out the back yard, he took some rubble and boxes and things down there, and he was talking to the fellow there they said oh, he said er they were shutting this skip, er they're moving it down the road and you'll have to pay, you'll have to pay to tip your rubbish
[speaker001:] Ooh
[Martine:] and they'll charge more for works vans, didn't he say?
[Mike:] Yeah
[Martine:] If it's a works van tipping rubbish, they'll charge them more, but you'll have to pay, I don't know whether they'll do it by the load or by the bin bag or, what, you'll have to pay to dump your rubbish.
[speaker001:] Well that's a bit of a devil
[Martine:] And we're paying Poll Tax, I said all that'll happen erm, and this poor fellow's out of a job as well
[speaker001:] Ooh
[Martine:] honest to god it makes your blood boil
[speaker001:] and these and these rents have gone up I expect Nora's flat has gone up
[Mike:] Yeah it has
[speaker001:] Four, four, four pound forty seven that's only just on the rent
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] and then it'll be all the rates, I know I can get a bit of rebate, but er, I don't do bad really after having some rebate, but
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] Robert's is gone up over five pounds, theirs is a different kind of a house you see a parlour type
[Martine:] Why what's
[speaker001:] it's a parlour type
[Martine:] why what's the difference?
[speaker001:] Well she's got two rooms downstairs, which she'd rather have one of these really, one big one
[Martine:] What of the same sort, sort of size as yours or are theirs bigger?
[speaker001:] Well theirs is, but it's bigger because they've got the two rooms, like one big room split in half you see
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] whereas a lot of people just put an archway like Colin
[Martine:] Ah
[speaker001:] but er, they take a lot of heating
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] by doing that sort of thing
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] so he's going mad really, but, how much it'll be in the end I don't know, so
[Martine:] Oh god, yeah... I can hardly remember this before it was all done out
[speaker001:] Fully re-modernized
[Martine:] Yeah I can't
[speaker001:] You can't
[Martine:] Not really
[speaker001:] you can't remember the kitchenette and the bathroom downstairs, little grate in the other place?
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] Mm
[Martine:] er did the grate use to be like where the fridge is?
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] Oh, the
[speaker001:] on that wall in there
[Martine:] Yeah and the little kitchen I remember
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] it's where your sink is now, but it was like smaller wasn't it?
[speaker001:] yeah
[Martine:] Shut off
[speaker001:] Yeah, but er... I had my bath put upstairs in the spare room
[Martine:] Oh that's right
[speaker001:] so that we made that little place what was the bathroom into a little cookery place, I put, we put the cooker in there, then we had our bath, had our bath put upstairs you see
[Martine:] Well what
[speaker001:] and the washer used to have
[Martine:] what used to be the bathroom the little pantry, did that use to be the bathroom?
[speaker001:] Yeah, across from the pantry
[Martine:] Er?
[speaker001:] used to be along, another, another little room there
[Martine:] Oh I can't remember that you know
[speaker001:] Can't you?
[Martine:] No...
[speaker001:] And then in the, where the bath used to be, in this little bathroom I had the cooker and the washer... that's it, I made it into a little kitchen so
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] that we had that like a little sitting room, I just had a settee in there and a couple of chairs, it was lovely and cosy in there
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] we never used to come in this room you know, nobody would come in this room
[Martine:] Was this always just a big room though?
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[Martine:] This was always just one room
[speaker001:] Oh this was always the same
[Martine:] You used to have the dining table over there
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] at one time didn't you?
[speaker001:] and then I got rid of that, that dining table didn't I? So there
[Martine:] Ah me memory's not bad
[speaker001:] No, everybody used to clock for that little kitchen
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] it was lovely and cosy in there
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] How long ago would it be now that you had it all done?
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[Martine:] Cos I remember erm what I do remember is when you were having it done, stopping in the caravan with you
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] good god
[speaker001:] And you used to have your toast
[Martine:] Oh, all it was lovely, yeah
[speaker001:] made by the gas fire
[Martine:] Oh it was lovely that was and remember that programme that used to be on, erm Within These Walls about the prison, the women in prison?
[speaker001:] That's it, yeah
[Martine:] Oh and you used to let us stop up and watch him, it must of been on at about nine o'clock or something
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah
[Martine:] oh I used to love it
[speaker001:] you used to sleep the night, didn't you?
[Martine:] Yeah, we stopped a few times you know in the
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah
[Martine:] caravan because I remember it
[speaker001:] Oh I was quite happy there
[Martine:] How long ago was that then, how old would I of been then, when you had all these alterations done?... I would be about
[speaker001:] Seven,seven, about seventeen or eighteen
[Martine:] sixteen
[speaker001:] years ago
[Martine:] Yeah seventeen years ago, good god
[speaker001:] Might be more than that Martine... and Mrs she had the next caravan to, to me
[Martine:] Mm, I can see them now the outside, they were like made, made to look like wood weren't they the caravans?
[speaker001:] Mm
[Martine:] But it was like er, it was good there, used to like that
[speaker001:] Oh aye, it would be more than that because you're the twenty second of February
[Martine:] Er twenty five
[speaker001:] Twenty five
[Martine:] Oh no, am I twenty six?
[Mike:] Twenty five
[Martine:] Twenty five until December [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Fine... so you were not very old when you used to come
[Martine:] no, maybe I was only about five, maybe it was twenty years ago
[speaker001:] Yeah, tis a long time ago I know
[Martine:] Good god, no wonder I can't remember much about this then
[speaker001:] No it is it
[Martine:] I remember... coming for tea... and er the table was where it is now... I don't know whether it was
[speaker001:] It was right, it was under the window
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] it was a drop leaf table
[Martine:] Yeah, and you remember me and Nicola used to have our special bowls, I used to have erm, Little Bo Peep and she had Mary, Mary quite Contrary well
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] I can remember, we used to have like mints in a bowl, lovely mints didn't we and erm potat, and we used to have the mints just in the bowl and I remember boiled potatoes, you remember erm, you know like, when we, when we were coming like and I can see everything now and I can see me little bowl and everything
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] but, that must of been, was that when the fire was still there then that was with the
[speaker001:] Yeah oh the fire still be there
[Martine:] Cos, erm, you know, say we picked dad up from work and we used to come here straight from work didn't we for tea?
[speaker001:] You used to come once a week for dinner
[Martine:] Wednesdays
[speaker001:] Mm
[Martine:] was it? Was it, did he?
[speaker001:] on a Wednesday
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] used to be lovely, I remember all that
[speaker001:] ha... and I used to mince the meat myself
[Martine:] Yeah you
[speaker001:] and there was one week that Pat came, because I used to get the meat off of the van by the gate then, and I don't know what it was this week, but I bought the meat ready minced... and when I come to give it to you, I knew there'd be complaints, I don't know what we were having
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] but you always used to have this mince and you wouldn't eat the mince
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] because it was the bought mince meat
[Martine:] How could I tell?
[speaker001:] and it was a thing I never buy a, I never bought any afterwards
[Martine:] How could I tell
[speaker001:] never did buy mince meat I never liked, I never fancy
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] but you wouldn't eat it anyhow.
[Martine:] What was the difference, did it look different?
[speaker001:] Oh, there's always a lot of fat and stuff in it
[Martine:] Aye
[speaker001:] but I used to put it through the mincer didn't I?
[Martine:] Yeah, cut all the fat off first
[speaker001:] I used to make rissoles that was it, for us and put onions with it
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] and you and Nicola would not eat the onions
[Martine:] Ah
[speaker001:] so I used to keep the mince what I'd done, separate for you and Nicola
[Martine:] that's it, I remember
[speaker001:] before I made rissoles I did it
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] or perhaps I make a rissole sometimes, but not put any onion
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] in, mm, and sometimes I'd give it to you just loose sort of thing [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Oh it used to be lovely
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] Those were the days
[speaker001:] Yeah, been back a while have you?
[Martine:] God it is as well...
[speaker001:] Yeah, how is Judith?
[Martine:] Alright, she'll be expecting... she reckons she's due on the twenty third of March, but the hospital say it's, it's the twenty ninth, so it'll be next week, I'll have to give a ring, we went to see her the other week, to see how she was, erm we went round er one night, I rung her up to see if she'd be in, I said right we'll be round for an hour
[speaker001:] Did she, did she get married again?
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] I thought she did
[Martine:] she'll of been married
[speaker001:] just
[Martine:] twelve months in June... pardon me... so er, we think she's having a boy. Mike had a dream the other night that she had a, a little boy, but er, the funny thing was it'd only just been born but it could talk [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] It was what?
[Martine:] It had only just been born but it could talk properly and everything
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] So I said well coming from Judith it wouldn't surprise me if it could bloody talk
[speaker001:] Good lord [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] but er, I think she'll have a boy as well
[speaker001:] Think so
[Martine:] Yeah, I dunno why
[speaker001:] why?
[Martine:] I dunno, just think she will
[speaker001:] Cos if you're thinking the way they carry the baby it's an old woman's tale I think, I never used to think
[Martine:] I can never remember which way round is
[speaker001:] and if you were having a boy they used to say you would carry the baby all round sort of thing
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] if you were having a girl it was mostly in the front, but er... that wasn't true really
[Martine:] No
[speaker001:] but that was an old woman's tale really, that's going back a few years ago
[Martine:] Ah
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] no I ju, I dunno why I just think she'll have a lad
[speaker001:] What does she want boy or a girl?
[Martine:] Not bothered, as long as it's healthy she's not bothered
[speaker001:] Oh well, bless
[Martine:] It's the best way to be innit?
[speaker001:] It is the best yeah
[Martine:] No good saying, trying to pick and choose cos you get what you're given in the end
[speaker001:] Do you
[Martine:] As long as it's healthy that's all that matters innit?
[speaker001:] Mm, so long as everything's alright, that's the main thing.
[Martine:] That's it
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] Well Amanda'll be
[speaker001:] especially as children are today, born today
[Martine:] Well that's it
[speaker001:] Terrible isn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] Never used to be like this, I don't know why it is now
[Martine:] No, but Amanda will be in her element won't she?
[speaker001:] She will, will she?
[Martine:] Oh she'll be like a little old woman, she's, well she's nine, I think she's going on thirty nine, to listen to her
[speaker001:] She's old is she?
[Martine:] She's lovely, she's grown out of that mardy
[speaker001:] Has she?
[Martine:] braty type
[speaker001:] She's growing up a bit?
[Martine:] Yeah, er well if they're not too careful she'll of grown up before they realize it, oh she goes on at you oh, like an old woman, she knows everything, she knows more than Judith about what's going on
[speaker001:] Good lord
[Martine:] Oh she's, but she's gone nice, I must admit, cos I always did like her, even though like they use to say she was spoilt and that, well, you can't help it
[speaker001:] No
[Martine:] I mean the way she's been brought up and that with Kingsley and the mum, course she's gonna be spoilt
[speaker001:] Mm
[Martine:] but, I think this' ll do her good to have a little sister or a little brother
[speaker001:] Yeah, oh she'll enjoy it, I expect
[Martine:] Oh god, I think she'll be a good help for Judith
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah, how many horses has she got now?
[Martine:] Er, she's only got the one of her own Judith has, erm but she's quite busy there with other people's
[speaker001:] Is she?
[Martine:] Yeah, got quite a few on, she was full actually when we went to see her
[speaker001:] Mm, men alright?
[Martine:] Er
[speaker001:] Went to see them the other week
[Martine:] Yeah, went to give her a lesson
[speaker001:] Ah
[Martine:] he was looking very well
[speaker001:] Oh very good
[Martine:] so er... yeah I'm glad they're doing alright with him now
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] cos the eldest daughter had gone off it a bit
[speaker001:] Had she?
[Martine:] Yeah, she'd got a boyfriend and, with her school work as well, like she's doing her A levels now and she just got a little bit, you know, because it is a big... you know you've got to be dedicated haven't you? It's no good going one day and not bothering
[speaker001:] How old is she?
[Martine:] Seventeen
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] like, you know what I was like, all through school and me A levels I was still going down every day and everything
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] erm, and I thought aye up, is she gonna go off completely, so her mum was worried about her and the mum said oh I don't
[speaker001:] Pardon, oh
[Martine:] the mum said oh
[speaker001:] put the light on Mike
[Martine:] I think she's going off it a bit so I said oh well I'll come and have a chat and I said listen, I said, I realize you... you've got a lot of school work and that and you've got your boyfriend, I said, but there is now way that you're gonna let him stand in the field, getting fat and getting old you've got
[speaker001:] He's got to have exercise
[Martine:] yeah I said if you've lost interest in him then all you have to do is tell me, I said there'll be plenty of other people
[speaker001:] Would like
[Martine:] you know plenty of other little girls that would want to look after him, and I said it's no good relying on Vicky because she, the little sister, she's nine, she was too young to do things by herself, you know, I said there's no way you can let, leave it all to Vicky, so that if you don't want him any more you must tell me and I said there'll be no hard feelings but that's it, cos he comes first at the end of the day, so she said oh I, oh I have been naughty... have you been?
[Mike:] Yeah
[Martine:] He's been to the toilet already
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Good god lad, so erm, she said oh I know I've been naughty and I have, not neglecting him in a naut, you know, they've been making sure he's been alright
[speaker001:] Yeah I know
[Martine:] but just riding him, well that's what he needs, so I said well you just see as you think on just keep exercising him, so erm, after that she's been alright and the little sister's getting really good with him
[speaker001:] Ah
[Martine:] erm, because she's, she's quite big for her age, but like Louise she's quite tall now, she's nearly too tall for him even though there's nothing of her she must only be about seven stone, erm, but this little Vicky she's oh thinking she's really good now and she's improved so much and getting confident as well, and the dad takes in, he puts the bridle on him, he takes the dog in one hand and Min in the other he goes for walks for miles with the, with the horse and the dog Dave does
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] he loves it, goes for miles with them
[speaker001:] Good lord
[Martine:] Or, like he, if the little girl's riding him, he always goes with her then as well, but even if the girl's not on him, he takes him for a walk like a big dog [LAUGHTER]... so I mean, they're lovely people, you couldn't wish to have him with nicer people, erm, you know they are, they really are nice
[speaker001:] Oh well
[Martine:] so er, it'll be nice for them in the summer, especially for the little sister, now she's getting more confident in the summer like they can go to all the shows and that
[speaker001:] Yeah...
[Martine:] so er, they're really pleased
[speaker001:] Oh very good
[Martine:] so... mm... Win and Caroline are moving once again, has me mum told you that saga?
[speaker001:] Your mum did tell me a few weeks ago
[Martine:] Oh I lose patience with them
[speaker001:] that er, that the house is still up for sale
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] Oh
[Martine:] I lose patience, on the market now
[speaker001:] must be terrible to be
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] because they must be up to their eyes in debt
[Martine:] Well, I don't know really whether they are or not, I mean he must earn damn good money, erm not so much off his that
[speaker001:] Yes but he spends a lot doesn't he Martine?
[Martine:] Well that's it, erm, like she, I don't think she makes a fortune, she only makes enough probably for food and that, he doesn't make that much off his dad because his dad's a stingy thing, but he does the taxing as well and he does foreigners, but erm, you know, like they've got their bills to pay and everything, they don't economize on anything, they have massive gas bills and
[speaker001:] And they've just had a new car haven't they?
[Martine:] Yeah, so they're paying that off, er I think, I think they're mad, I really do they only, they only pay a hundred and odd pound a month for this mortgage they've got at the moment because they bought it, it was only sixteen thousand, well it was cheap it was before the boom
[speaker001:] Where are they going?
[Martine:] She's seen somewhere in the [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] The other week I got a Steven was doing the front lawn said they went in just to see how she was
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] and she'd got a table in front of her and she was sitting on the settee and the table in front of her and this new jigsaw, over a hundred pieces in it and there she was lady
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] lady muck from turd hall
[speaker001:] Breakfast pots were there
[Martine:] Oh
[speaker001:] and er they, they had a bit of and all the pots were there
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] for Steven would come in and he'd have to wash all up
[Martine:] Well more fool him if he does that
[speaker001:] and, and her sitting down either doing this jigsaw or watching films... would you
[Martine:] He's doolally for putting up with it isn't he?
[speaker001:] Oh dear, dear
[Martine:] Right I'm gonna go to the toilet and rinse these for you
[speaker001:] Yes, okay, well it's been lovely seeing you innit?
[Mike:] Aye it's been nice coming up
[speaker001:] Oh... so you'll be off for Easter Mike will you?
[Mike:] Only, we work the Good Friday but we have the Tuesday off
[speaker001:] Oh
[Mike:] so we'll have the Bank Holiday Monday off and the Tuesday
[speaker001:] Oh, well that's not too bad then...
[Mike:] It's late this year though Easter isn't it?
[speaker001:] Yeah, mm, soon be here won't it?
[Mike:] It will
[speaker001:] It will... oh...
[Mike:] I think we're all ready for bed, we're all yawning
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[Mike:] We're all yawning I think we're all ready for bed
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Does Nora go for a holiday?
[Mike:] No
[speaker001:] No she never bothered
[Mike:] No
[speaker001:] Oh...
[Mike:] She used to years ago but she doesn't bother any more
[speaker001:] No
[Mike:] now
[speaker001:] No, oh I don't think I could do the travelling now that I used to do, but er
[Mike:] No
[speaker001:] you have to sit with your memories now, don't you?
[Mike:] Oh aye
[speaker001:] I don't mind, I don't mind so long as I just get out a bit on, into town and
[Mike:] Well this is it
[speaker001:] do a bit of shopping so... yeah, I haven't been doing that this last few weeks but, any
[Mike:] Well if the weather breaks a bit now, get a bit of sun, be able to get out a bit, with a bit of luck
[speaker001:] anyhow me new tablets are he had to go to hospital, he's got arthritis in his legs from
[Mike:] Aye
[speaker001:] all these drugs he's been having, so they gave him some er tablets and er, he said on Sunday he was in such pain, so he said try these, he has given me some before, but er, you're supposed to take two and I was only taking one
[Mike:] Aye
[speaker001:] and they didn't do anything for me, so anyhow I've started taking two, they have helped a bit
[Mike:] Oh good
[speaker001:] anyhow, but I found out now that they're on prescription so, he said this morning you can have some more tablet, no I said I can get them off the old quack
[Mike:] Oh aye
[speaker001:] so anyhow, oh dear
[Martine:] Oh dear, right... let's make a move... I tell
[speaker001:] That blinking election is getting on your nerves
[Martine:] Oh I've had enough of it and it hasn't even
[speaker001:] and we've got a month yet
[Martine:] started yet has it?
[speaker001:] Ooh
[Martine:] Getting on me nervous
[speaker001:] like a lot of little children
[Martine:] Yeah... load of rubbish, that's what I think. Listen why don't you let us pull the door to nan
[speaker001:] Mhm
[Martine:] save getting up to see us out, oh I suppose you have to put the catch on do you?
[speaker001:] No, I don't put the catch on...
[Martine:] We'll have to get you one of those exercise bikes, that'll get you going [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Exercise bike... been lovely seeing you, anyway
[Mike:] Been lovely seeing you too.
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] We won't leave it so long the next time
[speaker001:] Anyhow I'll see you on Sunday
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker001:] I'm supposed to be at your mum's for the weekend
[Martine:] Do you want your stick now?
[speaker001:] Pardon?
[Martine:] Do you want me to get you your stick?
[speaker001:] Yes please
[Martine:] It'll be easier. Yes you're up on Sunday, yeah
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] okay
[speaker001:] Yeah...
[Martine:] Is there anything you want fetching from upstairs or anything before we go?
[speaker001:] No, no love thank you very much
[Martine:] You only have to go to bed, when you go up there
[speaker001:] Can you manage that door Mike, it's awfully awkward
[Mike:] Yeah, I think I might
[speaker001:] You know what I should be using
[Martine:] Oh nan
[speaker001:] I haven't had any taken off, but er I mean it'll go alright now
[Martine:] Well
[Mike:] Yeah
[Martine:] that's it
[speaker001:] but it's been the old nut crackers [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Yeah [LAUGHTER] anyway
[speaker001:] anyhow
[Martine:] love you lots
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] you take care, I hope your leg
[speaker001:] anyhow I'll go by the window, I'll go by the window
[Martine:] Don't stand in the cold
[speaker001:] save standing in the cold
[Martine:] I'll give this to
[speaker001:] ta ta then, see you at the weekend
[Mike:] Yeah
[Martine:] Okay, bye nan
[Mike:] ta ta
[speaker001:] Bye
[Martine:] ta ta... oh, at least it hasn't come to rain again... pull... Oh my light hasn't come on
[Mike:] You did something to the catch before didn't you?
[Martine:] Oh
[Mike:] That's it?
[Martine:] Is it?
[Mike:] Yeah...
[Martine:] Oh twenty minutes ago when Max said he was gonna take ten minutes... it is up and running insults on that Can we have the
[speaker006:] Okay, if you want to see a sample of
[Martine:] Morning Richard
[Mike:] Good morning Mart
[speaker006:] I, I know as you can see I think it's very useful each item
[Martine:] do what? [LAUGHTER]
[speaker006:] to actually put a line in
[Martine:] ha ha Okay ya
[speaker006:] so if you can get it to do that... and er...
[Mike:] Just a
[speaker006:] we also have the coding based on the coding on the one we've already got and won't do anything about that it's not together you and Jan between you, you and Marty between you could do that how powerful is that microphone?
[Martine:] It can hear you
[speaker006:] Really, from that distance, I see
[Martine:] The problem is fitting all this in with everything else
[speaker006:] Well er
[Martine:] I don't think
[speaker006:] well that is a problem we all have to suffer Jan, erm... and this shipment, this really shouldn't have to be more than ten or fifteen minutes work with you and Marty
[Martine:] No perhaps not
[speaker006:] but, but passing it on to, to Darren to do the er
[Martine:] perhaps not, but added to everything else, plus you want the archiving doing, the A three drawer doing, I don't know when on earth I'm going to have time to do that
[speaker006:] You can't
[Martine:] I mean I was in eight and a half hours yesterday, eight hours a day before
[speaker006:] Which archiving is that?
[Martine:] You asked me to do the Wigan archiving
[speaker006:] but it didn't get finished
[Martine:] No
[speaker006:] Yes er
[Martine:] I can't
[speaker006:] yes I figure that
[Martine:] I can't claim any overtime or anything for erm, well, any overtime for but I'm working all these
[speaker006:] But you've not asked about overtime
[Martine:] No, well I'm asking I mean I was
[speaker006:] Like anybody else you can claim overtime
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker006:] whether it was or whatever job
[Merielle:] Billy how many hours shall I put down for yesterday, does three sound reasonable?
[Martine:] What do I have to have someone to collect the hours before I can claim it?
[speaker006:] Mm
[Merielle:] Does three hours sound reasonable?
[Martine:] How do I fill the form out?
[Mike:] Mm
[speaker006:] If you want to claim overtime, you talk to me
[Martine:] You know I don't mind coming on a Sunday and doing all this erm archiving stuff
[speaker006:] Is it a big job?
[Martine:] Well, cos there's a fair amount to do the A three drawer's gonna take a long time
[speaker006:] When you say the A three drawer
[Martine:] Yeah, the drawer in, the new cabinet we've got... with it it's got Wigan reports plus drawings in it
[speaker006:] Oh you mean that little cabinet we've got there
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker006:] Yeah
[Martine:] That little cabinet that is crammed full of stuff... I think
[speaker006:] sling everything out in here
[Martine:] Why are you gonna have a word with that overtime as well? If it's necessary can I have yeah
[speaker006:] If it's necessary I'm, I'll encourage you to do it
[Martine:] Mm, mm
[speaker006:] you know, if it's got to be done, it's got to be done, I won't worry about it, please ev, all I'll say is, is, is can we please try and arrange it in advance, I'd rather
[Martine:] Oh yeah
[speaker006:] you know signing that you do it in advance rather than just
[Martine:] oh yeah
[speaker006:] but don't worrying about that job you're doing, because it doesn't matter whether it's a fix fee job or or whatever, overtime doesn't do the job anyway
[Martine:] Oh
[speaker006:] oh the hours you do get charged to the job, normal hours
[Martine:] Mm, mm
[speaker006:] which you're gonna have to do anyway
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker006:] er, so, so over overtime is an overhead really
[Martine:] Yeah
[speaker006:] which we're going to have to sustain, but we can sustain
[Martine:] that's fair enough
[speaker006:] At the moment we're
[Martine:] fair comment
[speaker006:] okay, so er
[Merielle:] Well he was hopeless yesterday, even had a kick of the ball, when he did he
[Martine:] He was a waste of space
[speaker006:] Who?
[Merielle:] It went just straight in
[Martine:] The Tottenham game was really good wasn't it?
[speaker006:] You let them down
[Merielle:] Yeah
[speaker006:] you, you were meant to come on and score two goals and
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] You got the score [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] they had the chances they tried
[Martine:] oh he did he did, he put one
[Merielle:] two chances in the first twenty minutes
[Mike:] Had er, I was gonna say wasn't in the game, I just thought he was kind of harden
[Merielle:] No, every time he got the ball he'd kick it away
[speaker006:] Let's face it, let's face it Liverpool are not an international class team, if they can't if they cannot they are not an international playing team
[Mike:] Hey, switch that bloody thing off [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Go on have your say Rob
[Mike:] I hope you're not selling this the
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker006:] I think you have, I think you have to bear in mind the er circumstances
[Martine:] What's your address
[speaker006:] they, they were going up to score
[Merielle:] Of course they were and they failed, and they failed to penetrate the defence
[speaker006:] Yeah
[Merielle:] until the second half, in the second half they got
[speaker006:] they got a bit closer than Dewsbury though
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] I've got to, I've got to admit the second half they were lucky our goalie produced four brilliant saves in about three minutes
[Mike:] He was very lucky, as well, it just happened so many times he
[speaker006:] but the point is the point is Liverpool spent er ninety minutes over in Italy and forty five minutes in Anfield to penetrate their defence, it wasn't until the second half last night that they got anywhere near through, through, through the solid block of the defence
[Merielle:] No, no I don't agree with that
[Mike:] Yeah, but if there hadn't, there hadn't of given that goal away and they were pushing forward
[speaker006:] That's right
[Mike:] and they hadn't given that goal away, they'd of scored another in that half
[Merielle:] Liverpool
[speaker006:] mm
[Merielle:] Yeah, but on a different day four of those could of gone in.
[speaker006:] they, they should of done, but they didn't, the point is they shouldn't of left it the last minute, they should of done it in the first place I tell you what they're under pressure from a hard manager I, I, I don't and I, I I've never liked
[Mike:] I think I think there's a lot of hope and promise
[Martine:] Well I've still got two accounts in er June
[speaker006:] They had more shots at the target last night than anybody
[Martine:] the second and the fourth
[Merielle:] He, he had about half a dozen shots and there wasn't one of them that could of put by
[Martine:] You got, oh you've got a couple of days Yeah
[speaker006:] [LAUGHTER] Aye, but there wasn't one of them that went in by either Aye he shouldn't, he shouldn't of been shooting, I thought I think there were cases when he should of put it forward to Saunders, even though Saunders was playing poorly
[Mike:] Every time, er every time the broke down, the er
[speaker006:] It's academic now because they've lost and they're out of Europe [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker006:] and I'm not convinced, I am not convinced that they, that they are anywhere near the standard they used to be when they were last in Europe a few seasons ago
[Merielle:] Yeah, well Mike it comes down to experience if they had five years of European experience
[speaker006:] Yeah, yeah
[Mike:] Not quite as long as
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker006:] Jan shall we get that
[Martine:] I thought we'd finished them
[speaker006:] No, not quite
[Martine:] Like one of those er dead squirrels on the end of the
[Mike:] Yeah really bushy
[Merielle:] Have you played? One the match that you've played
[Mike:] Yeah
[Merielle:] and there was one at Southampton
[Martine:] I'll have to get this on tape just to prove that I beg your pardon
[speaker001:] I see a friend of yours
[Martine:] Did you?
[speaker001:] know erm Trevor in the pub?
[Martine:] yeah
[speaker001:] He had his leg whooped off did you know about that?
[Martine:] Pardon?
[speaker001:] He had his leg whooped off
[Martine:] Oh no
[speaker001:] his leg, so erm, he's been moved to Royal hospital, I went to see him yesterday and he didn't stop talking about you, bless him [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Ah I didn't know that, what's up with him?
[speaker001:] Well he supposed to give up smoking, it had caused clotting in one of his legs and then it just whipped over to the other one, he's had to have it cut off
[Martine:] Oh god
[speaker001:] but erm, he's got a false one and [LAUGHTER] it sounds dreadful doesn't it []?
[Martine:] Well er
[speaker001:] He's walking round and, well he's not walking round, he's on crutches but he seems to quite nicely
[Martine:] So how do you know him then?
[speaker001:] Oh just from the pub, same as you
[Martine:] Oh right
[speaker001:] so erm
[speaker006:] Morning
[speaker001:] Hi Mike, so he says that I've got to say hello to you, alright
[Martine:] Ah, bless him, what's his surname? How did you?
[speaker001:] I knew Steven, I knew Steven more than anything
[Martine:] Why who's Steven?
[speaker001:] bloke [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Which one's that?
[speaker001:] The big tall one
[Martine:] The one that wears the trilby?
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] Yeah, oh right
[speaker001:] So, er he put me onto it, oh he said you've got to go down, he's missing you all, he's, and he'd love a bit of yeah, he was asking about you and
[Martine:] Ah, I only said to Chris the other day, I thought god I haven't seen Trevor for ages, I honestly did and I, I didn't think you know, anything wrong with him.
[speaker001:] So he said to say hello to you
[Martine:] Ah, bless him, I should go and see him shouldn't I?
[speaker001:] Well he's in for another two weeks
[Martine:] Okay, cheers Nicky
[speaker001:] Pleasure...
[Merielle:] You put that on at the right time
[Martine:] Didn't I, ah, did you hear that Jan? What? You know Trevor from the pub Trevor? You know Trevor Oh Yeah, he's lost, had his leg amputated... he's in the cottage hospital in Mold You go and see him? I should do really... got a clot in one of his legs as it means and went down the other one and gotta take it out, through smoking... what having me leg cut off where's that? Talking of which, have you What's up with you chuck?
[Merielle:] Nowt
[Martine:] Are you a busy boy?
[Merielle:] I want
[Martine:] I know what you can do, some of the written ones
[Merielle:] Mm?
[Martine:] You can do some of Richard's that I'm supposed to
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Pardon?...
[Merielle:] I've got, I've got to go and have a word with Rob about something.
[Martine:] You never liked to do the jobs I say because they're always pooey jobs
[Merielle:] What, what is it?
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Calculating a percentage of heavy goods [LAUGHTER] and no, I might try and get that done
[Merielle:] that's a pooey job
[Martine:] Ah?... Well the sheets are all there, as soon as I'm a bit, got me Caernarfon done and that
[Merielle:] I could do that, I could do, give us a job
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] Not today, not really
[Martine:] well whatever it is supposed to be no it isn't, you haven't got no intention of shaving it off
[Mike:] What, what I'm gonna do is erm
[Martine:] Oh you don't want to have a Robin Hood do you?
[Mike:] just shave that bit there and
[Martine:] no, oh no, no, please don't
[Mike:] Or just shave me tache off
[Martine:] Oh
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] I hate beards like that, I dislike that
[Mike:] No not to a point
[Martine:] I know, but sort of none there and just all sort of down there, like sort of Brian [LAUGHTER] That's no good
[Mike:] sticking out of his head
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... oh... what's happening?...
[speaker006:] When it's, when the, when everything's done and that, there's a few things that
[Martine:] What's happening?
[speaker006:] they'll have all green, or blue and then you'll find that, but it might just pass over
[Mike:] You know I just thought of something really stupid
[Martine:] What've you got to do then to that thingy then sheet Jan?... Er got to work through it, new and get down to
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[Martine:] mm... when do you want to go through it then? If I could just erm get this done Okay but erm...
[speaker006:] What?
[Martine:] There's not a Yeah I know what you wanna say, but that yours are observation Yeah for you to take in, you know for you to look at, you've put before we for you to Scrutinize mm, more, for you to sort of
[speaker006:] consider
[Martine:] That's the one That's the one... he has his uses doesn't he? He has his uses but he's not very good at brewing up Oh that's very kind of you to don't mind if I do, don't mind if I do, fancy a brew For you to consider We don't really need these now do we? Cos we've done
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[Martine:] Good god is that the time? Yeah Doesn't time fly when you're having fun At least I've done the N T Ts, that's about all I can say, oh no, it's been quite productive hasn't it? Oh yeah Don't you think? Aye ya, feel none of it towards a survey like, productive towards a survey... Jan can I leave this with you? What is it?... It's what I started to do on that Oh yeah don't, don't start it I'm, some things are logged and stocked, so I'll leave it, if you wanna sling anything out once you've done yours, that's all very well Yeah, don't get rid of yet, eh please... it'll have to go on the document location... erm... sheet B eight or something isn't it? Oh yes indeed... I've just taken all the dividers out Okay... I will contact Jim with regards to visits in the near future Yeah will that do? I don't have to put if you have any queries No or will I?... It's eleven thirty Yeah what time do they go and lunch? Any time No they have fixed times Oh do they? Oh yes course they have Can I speak to Tony please? It's Jan from Mold... Hello who am I speaking to please? Ah, right, erm Tony's organizing erm, or has organized, we're hiring a mini bus and we're using company insurance, right, now before I ask you the company that we're hiring the mini bus off, I'd like a, er a copy of the and stuff like that so I can send it off with
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] Well some form of recognition that we have got the correct insurance for this service that we want. Next Thursday I've got to take a cheque into a, well a deposit into a my Yeah erm... ninety two pound fifty with a It's what? ninety two pound fifty with a Bloody hell, there you go Cheers... It's a dear day innit? yeah I asked him, I said before we go any further, can you get these with the complete package and he said no, they're all going back to the N H S typed thing because that's the look, the look people want Oh it'll be a complete change for them Yeah, I think it'll make a nice change Yeah, the others were similar, I know they were different, but He said er, he's getting me another metre all round less size round because it'll be too heavy in that size Yes, well yeah well I don't want it too much more Oh that'll be lovely Mm... he never said, did, they put a nice he never said what colour did they want I mean you wouldn't put a brown one in that grey frame would you? Because it, I think it, I think these are grey, you can get green and brown Mm... mm... mm Mm ooh they're nice, yes can you hand me a sausage roll? they're nice yes... Has anyone rung up and told me I've won a million pounds? No, pensions won the pools again this week Mm, well I'm close [LAUGHTER]... Mm... Thanks for that love Mm... Quiet ain't it?... Can I have a pair of scissors, I think I'll cut you what? I was being polite
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] Graham is boring himself in one of his car magazines
[Merielle:] Yeah I know it kills the time
[Martine:] Did you pi buy that Hillman Minx? You could've been a real trendsetter, you could've put Ghostbuster stripes on it [LAUGHTER] one of them Graham?
[Merielle:] Little furry dice and
[Martine:] Did you listen, erm, and oh you have er City on don't you in the week?
[Merielle:] Mm
[Martine:] I had Radio One on this morning and on the news it said that Porsche had developed a, a base to shoe horses. Had developed a what? A, a horse shoe for horses that have trouble on firm ground and it's got erm... a piston, a piston type system to it Yeah the same technology that they used for their high performance car system a Lotus or something like that Mm... what a little mine of information you have
[Merielle:] Oh er
[Martine:] What I was I gonna say now just a it's so they don't damage their Mm it's good, it needed doing, it just means that they'll race what was I gonna say something to do about the racing car
[Merielle:] and then they take them a Porsche sort of horse, a Porsche horse...
[Martine:] Mm, I'll have to use me it used to go fastest because Yeah he said what's next for them go faster stripes...
[Merielle:] Is there a Zodiac or a Zep?
[Martine:] Me dad used to have a Zepper Why?...
[Merielle:] Just professional, cruise up and down the street then home
[Martine:] All the Zodiacs and Zephyrs I knew were maroon with grey down the wing
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] Is that right? Tape is on, would of got you anyway [LAUGHTER]... Did you hear me say Rob, you know the old geezer from the pub, Trevor?
[speaker001:] Yeah
[Martine:] He's in hospital, he's had his leg amputated
[speaker001:] did he have cancer or something
[Martine:] Got a clot
[speaker001:] have gangrene?
[Martine:] or something... mm, oh I was gonna say something before, but I can't remember what it was About the car or the horse? I don't know I said something to Graham about cars and then...
[Merielle:] What you said was your dad had a Zeppelin
[Martine:] Aye, he did buy one My Lancia you thought I was selling it
[Merielle:] Yeah, I thought you'd only bought it to keep it for a year or two
[Martine:] You like it don't you? Ah?
[Merielle:] You could sell
[Martine:] You like it don't you? I like it Yeah I love it [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] You couldn't sell a Lan, a Lancia to anybody who
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Well Don't you think so sold it, she's sold it to him wouldn't you?...
[Merielle:] What you're not like
[Martine:] it's alright, it's a bit tame for me
[Merielle:] It's only seventeen hundred?
[Martine:] What's the word X nineteen on the Lancia it's like the family car get the tartan shopping trolley in the back of it You won't wanna drive mine then Mm You did though, didn't you? Mm, get used to yours
[Merielle:] Say is it a fuel injection or carburettor [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] I beg your pardon? Has it got an I after it? No, yeah they don't all have that though do they?
[Merielle:] Mm
[Martine:] You mean I think it's got a carburettor, what's a [LAUGHTER] carburettor? [LAUGHTER] What's the difference, how do you know?...
[Merielle:] Well if it's got erm fuel injection it'll go faster
[Martine:] Yeah, yeah God, I was nearly in an accident last night, that reminds me, coming, I'd just turned off the Wrexham road, er going along the Paisword one Mm and there's like an old pick-up-ey type thing and then there's this young lad and a, in a work's Escort van and then there was me and I thought oh bit of a blow being behind this lot, but there's not many places to overtake down there so I was No just gonna have to you know be stopped there anyway this young lad after the first fast bend he went to overtake and I could see a car coming the other way and he was like er running along side this pick-up but it was like he couldn't drop back and he couldn't make it either Mm so he just kept going, so the pick-up jammed its anchors on, there was a Rover it was coming the other way, the Rover went up the verge Oh my god and the aargh, just squeezed in and this lad sort of shit himself completely and went zoom right up the road then, well I knew what was gonna happen so I dropped right back and er how he missed him I don't know, it must of been inches or itches
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Martine:] I bet the lad in the car just adrenalin was brown at that particularly moment [LAUGHTER]... That's the way I tell them, do I tell these, that joke I told you before? Yeah [LAUGHTER] This is me brother's joke and I, I lay no claims to this one [LAUGHTER] A guy comes home from work [LAUGHTER] Sorry
[speaker006:] Have you got a copy of that that you have?
[Martine:] Er, yeah, well it needs photocopying
[speaker006:] Well can I borrow it then, take a copy?
[Martine:] Yeah, this guy comes home from work and his wife's got the chair and she's picking it up and taking it around like this Can you speak up a bit please?
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] and he said what are you doing? She says I'm trying to increase me bust, he says put it down he says all you need is a couple of pieces of toilet tissue and rub it between the gap [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] and there you go, she says well how do you work that out? He says well it's worked on your arse hasn't it?
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Rob you never remember those jokes off your brother
[speaker001:] There's some that I can't tell though
[Martine:] Rob, course you can
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] Tell us the other one then No way, I think I'd be even embarrassed telling you You never even, you never told me about the one I haven't told you your mum told you [LAUGHTER] I'm not going to [LAUGHTER]... It's usually the parents not wanting to repeat a joke to the daughters not the other way around...
[Mike:] Ah, are you still stuffing yourself?
[Martine:] Excuse me, I didn't come and goggle what you was eating... [LAUGHTER] The difference is he doesn't need to do that to get it all in one go [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Can I borrow that erm football thing there?... It hasn't got the answers on it?
[Martine:] It's the separate sheet the answers... Mm, well, mm, mm, mm Mm let's have a scone Let's have another tasty apple Fastest, fastest cake in the kitchen that you know Scone
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] That man can mumble He certainly can... your off on Monday, are you?
[Merielle:] Monday and Tuesday
[Martine:] Going anywhere? Thought you were off tomorrow
[Merielle:] I'm having a five day weekend...
[Martine:] So you are off tomorrow aren't you? Can we, are we gonna let him? Mm We gonna let him have the day off?
[Merielle:] Why er why?
[Martine:] Well we were gonna go to the pub and celebrate my three year anniversary of suffering this department. Ah what a bore
[Merielle:] I can't even get back
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] What three years in the department or
[Martine:] pardon?
[speaker001:] Which one's the bloke?
[Martine:] No, I just was gonna go out and commiserate with you all for putting up with me for that long, well with you lot I don't know Some longer than others, I never forget the first day in Liverpool, I was a wasn't I? Mm He didn't introduce us did he?
[speaker001:] Right that's it get on with it
[Martine:] yeah, creepy little sod... and have Dave, Dave show me three times how to do a five bar gate How's he gone? Well you go one, two, three, four, five [LAUGHTER], I'll just show you that again to rei, reiterate the button, one, two... That's what you can do on your day off
[Merielle:] What practise five bars then
[Martine:] No develop one of those things on yes
[Merielle:] A what, a what
[Martine:] the football quiz
[Merielle:] Oh yeah you've got to do it in four minutes...
[Martine:] Ha, that's called premature isn't it
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] four minutes... The four minute mile... what about our Fergie and our Andrew then? Well it was on the radio, this, ah, the other day and the woman saying he's such a nice guy I don't know what could of gone wrong, she doesn't know him
[speaker006:] Can I speak to Roger
[Martine:] does she?
[Merielle:] Not really members of the team or something when they got married, like you know
[Martine:] Well she will make a good team, she slept with ten other men apart from him that's okay [LAUGHTER]
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] Are Di and Charles supposed to be yeah talking to the flowers
[Merielle:] I know see that building over there, just go, yes terrible isn't it?
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... mm, could just drink a nice cup of tea Yeah that'll be nice at the are we gonna sort out how many we've got? And you've got to have don't know...
[speaker006:] He's talking about promotions and a new edition of the project engineering and he says
[Martine:] I'll have to check with
[speaker006:] it'll be nice
[Martine:] well we can count the panelling that we've got left over there, how many do we use a day? To be honest I can't remember, I know my lot on the last thing Wigan was doing two hundred and thirty an hour, so twelve times twenty, two hundred and thirty If we allow two hundred
[speaker006:] Well thanks a lot Bill, bye
[Martine:] interviews Mm, two and a half thousand then an hour that's a box that's only a hundred interview forms an hour isn't it? Of course, yeah, because there's two on a sheet And that's allowing for spares as well, cos my sites aren't gonna be busy enough to do that, that many anyway I wouldn't of thought, so what you doing twelve hundred... a day? Mhm, it's, isn't there two and a half in a box? Is it? I don't know Have we got one over there? So that's three thousand six hundred... so if I add four thousand, three and a half to four thousand Mm, mm I'd be well in the clear then... two, there's two and a half
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] nine and a half boxes over here And how many's in a box? There's no lid on it so I can't tell Oh erm... Is there no lids on them at all? No...
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] so there's two and a half thousand so there's five thousand interviews... we could do five thousand interviews with that? Hang on there's gotta be something wrong there, that means I'm only gonna need a box at the most, doesn't it, hang on, let's write it out Start at the very beginning, there's two and a half thousand That's allowed, the maximum... that we could do is two hundred interviews an hour Yeah okay would you agree with that? which is a hundred forms Would you agree? Mm, mm Two hundred interviews per hour, equals one hundred interview sheets... there's been some very good cases of sexual harassment lately and Mm they're getting millions in compensation
[speaker006:] Check the information with you
[Martine:] erm, so
[speaker006:] I don't even know what they are er I'm not sure if I didn't
[Martine:] You know when people talk about you and they don't actually ask you they just mention things and hated
[speaker006:] Is anybody talking about me?
[Martine:] so that's
[speaker006:] Sorry, right
[Martine:] two thousand for
[speaker006:] Excuse me
[Martine:] Yes mate
[speaker006:] did I ask you to bring
[Martine:] no only the red boxes, I thought they were already done
[speaker006:] Only the red boxes, what, what were the red boxes?
[Martine:] Well, erm which I've sorted this morning
[speaker006:] right have you sorted them, right, so you've done, what are these things?
[Martine:] Don't know with them Don't know what Scott's already archived but why they weren't put in boxes away somewhere I've no idea
[speaker006:] These meant to be archived are they?
[Martine:] Well or at least sorted, maybe they're the ones that was supposed to be left out for future reference.
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[Martine:] I thought they'd already been done...
[speaker006:] I, produced a list of what's already inside here, er, these calculate are the files registered, they're not numbered so they wouldn't be registered, but they would surely
[Martine:] So Rob's instruction was that he put them in those files and I didn't think it was a particularly good idea because everything's easier to find if it's in the envelopes that we've put them in.
[speaker006:] Now here, he's put down the interview date that was here, yeah he was starting to transfer the interview days across and I
[Martine:] This is er
[speaker006:] I stopped him, I said don't do that leave them in the envelopes and mark them as they are, so what...
[Martine:] We, actually I think we stopped him doing that because we put information on the envelopes as well which he didn't see Yeah we divided them all up, but if me or Jan needed to refer to anything we'd recognize the information that we've put on the envelopes quicker than we'll recognize the stuff that he's put in there... We realized too late anyway before we
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[speaker006:] Is he, did, he's labelled this wrong anyway, he's called this interviewed date for data fifty three, but it isn't interview data, it's count data... oh... Wigan do you
[Martine:] If you put it with that pile of envelopes Mike
[speaker006:] can you sort that out cos that is Wigan and if you leave them in the pile fair enough and I think they can go to archive, but please can you re-title the contents page and the pages cos they're not interview data it's count data, er I would of thought by now Scott knew the difference between interview and account
[Martine:] Why he's never done an interview
[speaker006:] Well to be fair you're right, but I would of thought someone
[Merielle:] Well he told me he'd gone for a count
[speaker006:] sorry
[Merielle:] He said he'd gone for a count for a job
[speaker006:] [LAUGHTER] Oh it's a good job we've got one wit in the team, I wonder where he is? [LAUGHTER] Posy, er right where are we?
[Martine:] Two hundred interview per hour equals four hundred and three sheets three thousand
[Merielle:] Sixty three, seventy nine
[Martine:] That's it
[Merielle:] no
[speaker006:] See again, he could of put some dates in so, I, this needs proper registering
[Merielle:] Yeah
[speaker006:] been on file
[Merielle:] well I've got another file that needs proper registering
[speaker006:] yeah, but again I should just get some of these checked, every content, you know that the heading
[Merielle:] Mm
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[speaker006:] it, they look it hasn't done interviews unfortunately
[Merielle:] Right
[speaker006:] okay
[Martine:] No, no, no, we only need a hundred sheets an hour
[speaker006:] Hello mm, mm
[Martine:] and there's twelve hours so we'll only need... a thousand and two hundred Mm, mm
[speaker006:] Which one is it?...
[Martine:] so call it half a box Mm, mm
[speaker001:] [intercom] Wilf telephone call, Wilf telephone
[Martine:] So I need one and a half boxes Mm, mm for, I'm gonna have them all in the boot of the car, at all times, so I'm gonna have two boxes please Mm, mm two boxes, er that's er ten whole boxes six thousand... so...
[speaker006:] right now you'll have
[Martine:] so what did we just say for you? You need six thousands do you? Yeah divided by
[speaker006:] I'm not even sure, we don't even know his name
[Martine:] so let's give you three
[speaker006:] Well my understand of control is is one at control that you can call back in or destroyed and be replaced by so the control copy should always be
[Martine:] and I want two boxes we've already got four and a half boxes
[speaker006:] It's a very loose definition and one which
[Martine:] so let's order two for us and that'll give us five and a half, six and a half boxes another half box spare but I mean there's spares in them anyway yeah
[Merielle:] but we never actually said anything to control, we only say what's wrong with the job
[speaker006:] and why, why people suddenly started saying we've got to go around marking what we should be doing is marking control, control
[speaker001:] Or doing nothing
[speaker006:] or doing nothing
[speaker001:] and say nothing to control
[speaker006:] Yeah we could possibly there's no guarantee which there can't be can there, and say it gets lost in the post then you're not gonna have it updated
[Martine:] No
[speaker006:] no and automatically assumed that, if it's important even, even within our own little team
[Martine:] No I'm sure your mum and dad will not find that
[speaker006:] and we should have systems whereby if you were
[Martine:] what's more I'm convinced it
[speaker006:] and you can guarantee that you still a human error even though you know how to do it, and we cannot guarantee that you'll do it so it, so it is, the, it is very important that nobody takes anything off the shelf automatically assume
[Martine:] Mind you no point in
[speaker006:] It does matter we really need to know whether to make necessary phone calls
[Martine:] Right I'll make a note of yours I've put yours on separate sheet, have you seen it? The return return actually interview if I do effect all the Well you're all gonna have some with your timesheets... You go and see Will then before we think about ordering it then No, I said we'll go round and tell, tell him what we've just worked out there, get him to say yes Yes and then you can give okay yes How many?... Ask Tracey how, whether they order them by the box or whatever Where, does Tracey yeah Oh I thought if Tracey can get them it might be more reliable to get them from Tracey. Could you do me a favour? About the interview forms, what you want yeah No Could you down there? Which one?... No do a couple please if you don't mind, because you might need a couple spare...
[speaker006:] Hello can I speak to Bob please...
[Martine:] Have you used these things now Richard?
[Mike:] Yes thank you
[Martine:] no, why you volunteering? yeah
[speaker006:] You, you tell Bill what
[Mike:] Well I don't, I don't really understand myself what it wants, so I'm not in a position to Erm, is that three eight one five oh no, no sorry that's the wrong extension, er have you any idea if anyone can get to alright, thank you... er, no I'll come back shortly, what extension should I ask for first of all? Three eight double one, okay thank you very much, bye... goes away, everything according to plan
[Martine:] Why where is he?
[Mike:] He's at Halford today and then he goes on his holidays for a bit
[Martine:] Oh great
[Mike:] Well he's off tomorrow anyway
[Martine:] Don't we get a stand in?
[Mike:] and now we're short of paper
[Martine:] No, what the green stuff?
[Mike:] No, there's nothing downstairs, well Steve said he had the lot, the last box
[Martine:] Oh good god, it's about time they got their arses in gear and started doing something properly
[Mike:] Yeah
[Martine:] Yeah, there really is no excuse is there?
[Mike:] I get
[Martine:] I ge to be honest though erm half the problem's been I think that it's been spoiling off so much crap, you know when I was doing those little things no wonder we're going through such a lot of paper
[Mike:] Yeah
[Martine:] if it's doing that for everyone and there's a mountain of scrap paper in there
[Merielle:] It's the way you speak to
[Martine:] pardon?
[Merielle:] It's the way you speak to it
[Martine:] what the printer, oh don't you make me feel guilty, no I it's just stupid isn't it?
[Merielle:] It is how many pages you getting?
[Martine:] I was having about four pages, three pages before, four pages in between each one, and another at the end as well
[Merielle:] At least I've cracked it I think I can get it to actually page properly until Vicky comes on
[Martine:] Mm...
[speaker006:] Remember that report the
[Martine:] Oh you are kidding So er, yeah, it comes out tonight
[Merielle:] Alright then
[Martine:] Yeah... she's gonna fax me the advert up tomorrow, she's gonna buy it today... erm just rung Grant up to see, I was gonna ask Jo to go out and buy a paper That's how they come then. Oh, I quite like those, dinky doo is that, is that all of them? Well, there's fifty two in there, that should be enough shouldn't it? I would of thought so yeah, oh you're doing alright then There's more in the cupboard if you want yeah, great, thanks for these, er yeah so I just rung, I was gonna get Jo to go out and get a, buy a paper Yeah because we've had no bloody calls have we, but it's like our Chronicle around here, it comes out tonight Oh yeah but, it'll be tomorrow when people are You are in tomorrow aren't you? No I'm not actually Nor am I, it's [LAUGHTER] I've put these Oh I phoned Jan yeah, they're alright aren't they? Would you like to say two words Bab? [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] I don't think er, they'd be very practical really to wear them packy bags would they? Erm Be a bit revealing wouldn't you think? shake your little on the cat walk as it were Right, did you ask Rob about the interviews on oh right What's the new one called? Dee, dee, do, do, da, da, or something no they've got another one now are getting with it? No, Graham, Graham, you know all about the M sixty three surveys don't you? right tell us about the M sixty three's surveys sweetheart, how many roadside interviews do you think we're gonna have to do? How many roadside interview sheets do you think we're going to need to order? How many other traffic cones [LAUGHTER] ooh he's a little gem, he's gonna tell us all we need to know, but were too afraid to ask [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] No
[Martine:] Ah come on
[Merielle:] We've got only three data collection sites, haven't got more than that
[Martine:] So what's that? What erm, what you calling a data collection site? Er a count or
[Merielle:] That I think is just counts
[Martine:] Okay
[Merielle:] cos at the time this report was put together erm
[Martine:] And very well I may say so
[Merielle:] Yes yes, it's, it's not bad
[Martine:] Who did this, was it Martin?
[Merielle:] at all actually
[Martine:] Is, is that the one I did [LAUGHTER] now you do surprise me.
[Merielle:] Er moving swiftly along
[Martine:] Yeah
[Merielle:] Oh yeah we didn't know we were doing interviews at this stage
[Martine:] This is quite true
[Merielle:] but we do now
[Martine:] yes Aye, Rob said there was about fifteen accounts out Yeah, what are all
[Merielle:] it might be... I've got eleven
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Merielle:] My gosh, my life, sort of died and I thought there was more than that
[Martine:] The blue and the pink are general timetable... are they? No hang on, no, no, no, no...
[Merielle:] No that's just the erm
[Martine:] the blue is the cord on
[Merielle:] the cord is
[Martine:] the cord on blue don't let that monkey anywhere near it, it'll rip it to pieces the pink is the gem card
[Merielle:] No that's the pink
[Martine:] isn't it?
[Merielle:] Yeah that's along the road some of the blue is along the railway line
[Martine:] Yeah
[Merielle:] and we could take the journey time
[Martine:] or we could take the wheels of the tyres off We could have one of those things like in Saint Trinian's can't we? [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] I've got it, I've got the laugh on record
[Merielle:] I thought you'd be you'd be rewinding that, if Mike had a listen to that oh dear
[Martine:] Pure bliss it's got account on it
[Merielle:] Why what else do you want to know?
[Martine:] Three, nine, three Graham coughed at three, nine, three on the counter
[Merielle:] I laughed
[Martine:] Yes sorry laughed [LAUGHTER] Right
[Merielle:] You know the two way interviews, I don't know if they're gonna be simultaneous
[Martine:] No you can't do that, they ought to be on two separate days because people not
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] go home the same day
[Merielle:] yeah that's right, I mean the D B T say there's gonna be extra difficulty because, but I don't think they realize that people are gonna say I'm not going that way because
[Martine:] Balls to that, yeah
[Merielle:] you know you might you might catch the same person twice
[Martine:] they've got to be on separate days
[Merielle:] they'll be well pissed off
[Martine:] Well, you will
[Merielle:] well annoyed
[Martine:] if they're using it to get to Which work and back which junction are we thinking of interviewing that
[Merielle:] I dunno, but the widening between six and nine
[Martine:] Six and nine
[speaker006:] Stop sprawling yourself there, ah we're recording
[Martine:] I'm enjoying myself
[speaker006:] we're recording for prosperity again are we?
[Martine:] Oh, there's a word we haven't Prosperity used before it's one I've never heard of prosperity
[speaker006:] Which is south number?
[Martine:] You're nosey aren't you?
[speaker006:] Yeah
[Martine:] Fifteen, O seven... Will before you disappear Quick question, we've just been doing
[speaker006:] What does prosperity mean?
[Martine:] No
[speaker006:] a cross between a prostrate gland and
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] [intercom] Peter telephone call, Peter telephone.
[speaker006:] of economic wellbeing
[Martine:] Right
[speaker006:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] We've done a quick calculation of interview sheets that we think we, we need, I need two boxes for Caernarfon, Jan needs three, we've got four and a half boxes already, we were gonna order two just to be on the same safe, but we're just looking into erm whether we need, how many we need on the R S I's on the M sixty three cos we might as well order them all together, save
[speaker006:] won't they have sixty
[Will:] Can you go back and said what you said when the tape was switched on?
[Martine:] Listen
[Will:] Yes
[Martine:] so you definitely want my bilingual now
[Will:] Yes, well we decided that if they were bilingual they could still be used in
[Martine:] there's no need to because we've got There's plenty left over
[Will:] I know... but if we print bilingual ones
[Martine:] Mm
[Will:] and we don't use them all up, they can be used
[Martine:] can be used elsewhere
[Will:] anywhere
[Martine:] Yeah elsewhere, okay that's right I'll go for that
[Will:] it won't be, it won't be wasted
[Martine:] No, okay, well I'll sort that out with Kath then, so if I order two boxes of
[Will:] You're gonna show me these things before you get Kath to print them aren't you?
[Martine:] Oh god, yeah.
[Will:] Mm
[Martine:] Okay So we worked out the maximum we're gonna do is probably two hundred interviews an hour, that's really over estimating
[Will:] Mm
[Martine:] yeah that's the limit that, that's the most we ever did in Wigan wasn't it? No it was two hundred and thirty Oh was it? Yeah, but that was just on well I think, I mean all we only, I don't think we've got to two hundred on any other. So we've said that, so that's a hundred interview sheets... twelve hours in a day usually, unless your name's Billy, twelve hours in a, half a day, should of said, so that's twelve hundred times two... two thousand four hundred so that's half a box, call it two and a half thousand
[Will:] Five thousand in a box, no, oh I see let's half a box, yeah that's right
[Martine:] so
[Will:] you want two boxes?
[Martine:] Yeah...
[Will:] Yeah, well that's fi, that's gonna be plenty isn't it? And we've got four and a half already
[Martine:] Yeah so I just want two boxes of bilinguals...
[Will:] So... so we've got three now, so we got, sorry we've got four and a half
[Martine:] We've got four and a half yeah
[Will:] so if we get two, we've got six and a half?
[Martine:] Yeah, correct
[Will:] And we need... two, three, four, five
[Martine:] We only need five
[Will:] six, seven including him
[Martine:] Well depending on how many of them, we haven't
[Will:] Oh right, no, you said to order
[Martine:] for Leek and Caernarfon
[Will:] Oh beg your pardon, right, sorry okay, alright,
[Martine:] Well
[Will:] so if you just go for the two
[Martine:] you're a fleet driver aren't you Will?
[Will:] Fleet driver?
[Martine:] You've got a company car?
[Will:] Yes
[Martine:] Do you have your fleet insurance put on
[Will:] I might
[Martine:] Because I need to photocopy it to send to
[Will:] yeah, I think it's either in my briefcase, or it's in the car, but it's probably in the briefcase, I'll go and have a look
[Martine:] Okay, so tomorrow erm I will do you a mock up for a, a bilingual one
[Will:] Yeah great
[Martine:] okay
[Will:] Tell me why isn't that phone hot?
[Martine:] Why?
[Will:] Well weren't you expecting phone calls today?
[Martine:] I've just rung up to see, I was gonna ask Jo to nip out and get me a cake and see if the advert was in, but it do it doesn't actually come out, it's like the local Chronicle here, it comes out on a Thursday night
[Will:] Ah, right, so it hits the shops tomorrow
[Martine:] so I'm off tomorrow so I'll tell to put them all through to you, is that okay? [LAUGHTER]
[Will:] Just gonna go and fill in a ha
[Martine:] You can have a look in insurance now, I'll be grateful Super I do think I push me luck a little bit oh he's alright
[Merielle:] Mine's not printing
[Martine:] Why not printing?
[Merielle:] Suddenly decided not to page properly
[Martine:] No unless It suddenly says hang on, I'm not wasting enough paper, let's shove a few blanks through, fires more blanks than the T A that thing. No it means someone's... stopped a program, stopped a printout half way through and it doesn't clear the page in Oh is it spilling, spilling off is it?
[Merielle:] Mm, well no, I mean this morning this one came out nice
[Martine:] Yeah
[Merielle:] I've spent ages getting it so that it would er, you know, right
[Martine:] Yeah
[Merielle:] and now page number is sort of out there
[Martine:] Something, something happens when people send a different program through and they don't reset it...
[Merielle:] I've tried resetting it and it didn't work
[Martine:] No I mean stop the printout and recall, reprint out and set it up
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [phone rings]
[Martine:] Hello Scooby's phone... on the computer no, no, no, no he's not over there, I mean put it back through to her's, he's on the computer yeah, yeah, did you want the spiral binder before?
[Will:] No it'll wait
[Martine:] No it'll wait he says, well it's down here now
[Will:] Tell, thank him very much for telling him
[Martine:] Tell you thank you very much for telling him. Confused, you will be... you thought it was a co, important call as well didn't you? It was Kate When Scott due back? I don't know he's got twelve days leave to use up yet [LAUGHTER]... I think they should of given Darren in his place to do all this instead of making us do it, or they should of got a school leaver Oh I don't mind cos I'm getting paid overtime Yeah that's right. Get a school-ey, get a school-ey in
[Merielle:] I wouldn't mind a school-ey a couple of months ago
[Martine:] Oh, he was atrocious, what was his name? Steven was his name? No
[Merielle:] Yes it is
[Martine:] Was it Steven?
[Merielle:] Yeah he looked like
[Martine:] He was a randy sod yeah Right but even uglier I want, there's a lab in er Is it men behaving badly? With what's his face then, Harry Yes er, there was a lad in a sketch with him, we saw the trailer and he looked like an older version of Macouly Maulkin, or whatever his name is, what's his name? Macouly Katkin I say Macaukin is right Macaukin, Macouly Macaukin Mm, mm Sounds like you're saying you caught me sulking or something like that... no... have you not seen it, he was in Inspector Morse as well.
[Merielle:] Oh
[Martine:] He was one of the posh yeah with the, yes, he was With blonde hair And big jug ears Yeah, I think he looks like Macouly He was murdered last Yeah he should of been murdered first he was awful Aye he was getting on me wick
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] U G L Y you ain't got no alibi
[Merielle:] He's in something else isn't he? He was on last night wasn't he in something else?
[Martine:] I think he was
[Merielle:] I can't remember seeing him
[Martine:] Yeah you did
[Merielle:] out of so many programmes last week
[Martine:] Yeah and I shouted Mike, I said quick it's him It's him, da, da, da, Cannonball Run
[Merielle:] No I didn't see The Bill
[Martine:] Did you see a, the holiday programme when they picked the winner of that holiday the
[Merielle:] serves her right
[Martine:] I was cringing
[Merielle:] serves her right
[Martine:] It was excellent What's this? rung this person up live to say they've won this holiday for six at erm
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] what, what is it Mecca Island or? not Mecca, but Mecca or something
[Merielle:] He's had a lot of entrance as well, I mean, you know a lot of people were away, you know, like something one in
[Martine:] and Yeah [LAUGHTER] and Annika Rice gets on the phone and first of all she thought oh, oh, I don't think there's gonna be an answer, I, I don't think there's gonna be anyone in, why aren't they watching us, why aren't they watching
[Merielle:] Bet they're watching erm Emmerdale Farm
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] So then this fellow comes to the phone, obviously his missus had entered it and he didn't have a bloody clue that she'd gone in for it and he'd just come home from work and er Annika Rice there, saying oh where is she? Why isn't she watching the programme? Well actually she's gone to visit her mum, she's had a heart attack she's in hospital [LAUGHTER] oh, oh well this' ll be a lovely surprise for her then I don't you
[Will:] Does she, does she ring people live
[Martine:] yeah, yeah
[Will:] And she said er are you Mr or whatever the name was? And when she put the phone down at the end she said that was, that was yeah so er, that was, that was and she said er well that seems a nice holiday for Mr and Miss or Mrs
[Martine:] Yeah why do you think she said that?
[Will:] I mean it wouldn't be Mr and Miss if they were both
[Merielle:] Well that'd be brother and sister
[Martine:] Exactly
[Will:] if they were, you know
[Martine:] Yeah, she fair, fair like she er nearly cut them up didn't she?
[Will:] The trouble was she was talking to people on camera and you didn't hear anyone laughing or anything [LAUGHTER] embarrassing.
[Martine:] Mind you I'd get myself embarrassed in front of sixty million viewers if I was on her money... Yeah, but would you wear those awful pratty outfits?... We were having a conversation weren't we Graham? He's been looking at that erm inspiration hasn't, do you know I bet it would if he made a cup of tea why wasn't
[Merielle:] I won't do it if it's hinted on
[Martine:] You won't do it full stop
[Merielle:] How do you
[Martine:] ooh I made a drink, what about bring it up then?... Oh we're so basic stop it, you beat me to it I was
[Merielle:] Oh I have to agree with that I've been watching
[Martine:] Don't tell us your secrets Graham we don't deserve to know them, oh go on then [LAUGHTER]... so these are only your R S I dates aren't they? What are? Seventh twelfth, fourteenth, nineteenth, twenty third Yeah Gina's asking when they're gonna clash with erm Yeah yours Well when you get a chance I'll have the accounts as well The accounts are the twenty eighth... twenty nine, thirtieth and the second Of April? Yeah and the second and the fourth of June... Second and fourth of June? Yeah... Er what happened, why aren't you doing any in May? Oh because of the bank holidays and the Yeah interviews and according
[Will:] Have we got M E 2, part of the
[Merielle:] no
[Will:] This, it's a bolt on is it? what, not a five hundred or something?
[Merielle:] No, it's quite expensive
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] Darren contact admin please, Darren contact admin... I will contact you in the near future in respect of the is that what I had? No Doesn't sound as good does it as what I had before? Why what you done with the other one? I rubbed it out I
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] I think, you did have the word respect in it In respect of the no, er of making a site visit wasn't it?... This is end of proposed sites Yeah this is to the sites... the above locations the above locations... say again The above site locations Yes...
[Merielle:] Yeah, one thousand two hundred and fifty same as
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] Erm, are we any nearer the truth?
[Merielle:] No, what about?
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Whether you visit no, whether, what we were talking about before? R S Is on the M sixty three Yeah
[Merielle:] No we no need
[Martine:] are we likely to just have ten?...
[Merielle:] Two
[Martine:] Two R S Is
[Merielle:] Oh I don't know about that... but I think they're likely on the same it's just that there's a sense of blah, blah, blah, recommended that interview have been in both directions despite in this difficult across, and I couldn't say when you could do that at midday, but the implication is you have to do it when you
[Martine:] Hello son, had your did you leave everything? Did he take the car? Was he alright? How are you feeling now? What did she bring you for your razor blades? I don't think you can Graham I don't think it's
[Merielle:] I think it, well I think it...
[Martine:] I don't think you'll get a erm
[Merielle:] You won't get the number of ten
[Martine:] Good stuff, good stuff erm
[Merielle:] You'll probably go get the just got really unsafe unless the two sites are like half a mile, well at least half a mile if not, but I hand signal
[Martine:] When you say in two direction, I mean we... there's no way they let you interview on the main line Erm we switch you on five
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] so we're talking slip roads and you know how to test for right, I don't think you'll get a free representation of the traffic flow erm if you do road to yeah I mean look, and even so I mean depending on where it's gonna be
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] If you've got signs on the main line saying traffic point, traffic censors ahead, you're gonna have people saying oh sod that I'll get off at the next junction instead
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] wouldn't you, I don't know how you'll get round it Alright, I'll phone you a bit later on before I leave, okay. Wouldn't you Jan? What's that? Like, this is that from the D T P that?
[Merielle:] That is, yeah
[Martine:] That is saying that erm despite the additional costs yeah we want it done in both directions, there's no way you can do it on the main line No so you're talking slip roads Yeah er Graham seems to think they're hinting that they should be done on the same day No way, I said before you can't do that Well no because the safe, the safety aspect of it and I don't think you'll get a true representation of the traffic flows if you did it both together cos like you say people will be diverting
[Merielle:] Mm
[Martine:] Yeah, if they're delayed getting on the motorway and see that they're doing it the other side coming off, they might be saying and go up Yeah, but to the next junction and get off one, M sixty three six to nine this is, isn't it?
[Merielle:] Mm
[Martine:] So junction six is that the big mass oh no junction seven Junctions five and six Oh junction six is the collector distributor so we can't do anything on that No Junction seven is the big A fifty six, where we did the big count Yeah and junction eight is that little eight is the roundabout Yeah, so where you gonna go now? and junction nine is the one where you come off and go to Ernston that way Mm which is not a very, but what I'm saying to Graham is if we do it on a slip road like, cos, cos I've never done one before, if you, you'd have to have warning signs if you got a census on the slip coming off people are gonna say oh well I'll get off at the next one That's what I said to you...
[Merielle:] Unless they're gonna do them on the roads... there's the motorway, that's Manchester, unless they're gonna do them on the roads
[Martine:] Around Yeah yeah well
[Merielle:] going in
[Martine:] er, I'll go for that one
[Merielle:] because you'll be able to pick up M sixty three using the non M sixty three uses that one
[Martine:] Yeah, I'll go for that Yeah
[Merielle:] but then you've got the two directional aspect and like the cyclones either side of the road, they can't be opposite each other, it's
[Martine:] No
[Merielle:] the states, they've got to be accurate, they've got to be at least half a mile apart
[Martine:] yeah but if they, if they were on slips they wouldn't be opposite anyway, would they?
[Merielle:] You can't mess about
[Martine:] Well you know you could do one at the slip
[Merielle:] Yeah, there wouldn't be...
[Martine:] Oh no, no You've got to do one on the slip off and one on the slip on, at the same part
[Merielle:] Yeah...
[Martine:] Having not done one I wouldn't know how they go about it even No I know it has been done, but when, For Ormskirk we wanted, we were looking to interview at the end of the M fifty eight
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] and erm, about a hundred, most of it was under Manchester Oh for Ormskirk as well Yeah, and the others, the last hundred metres was under Lancashire's domain, and Lancashire wouldn't hear of it, even though, I mean, that was on an approach to a roundabout
[Merielle:] Yes
[Martine:] isn't it, er the junction there, and there was all erm deceleration lines and that across the road, they were slowing down anyway and we were gonna really narrow the cones and they were approaching a roundabout so I
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] mean they had to stop eventually, but they wouldn't buy it at all, no way Same as didn't think they'd accept that the two different police forces, one said yes the other said no, but then they stood Yeah, one was from Delmonte Road wasn't it? That's the one, he's the one who said no they're not
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] Yeah he was on the other end of the Do you really think that the Jolly Green Giant puts the lights on at two o'clock in the morning and gets them all to pick the corn? Yeah, why do you think it's a lie? Well I used to believe that but me mum said they don't really do that, and that was one of my great illusions completely shattered You destroyed my dreams, my dreams are destroyed I was dead upset
[Merielle:] I can't get upset about that no, cos I
[Martine:] yes yeah, that's what I thought and, but if that wasn't bad enough, my mum because she knows these things, even said that he doesn't even say ho, ho, ho, Green Giant, doesn't, they don't even sing that song when they're working... they couldn't sing, and you know the little corn on the cob man [phone answered]
[Merielle:] A bit like
[Martine:] yeah, no I think we'll have to liaise with Rob a bit on that
[Merielle:] Just the ten? Just the ten?
[Martine:] Yep Yeah
[Merielle:] Shall I throw that away then?
[Martine:] Don't let's throw your words away Just let me get the... Green Giant... ho, ho, ho Is that right? Oh... right... erm to be honest I don't, the guy who set all that up has moved company, I'm just taking over the, the care of them really, unless erm Mr said anything, erm... erm, yes if you would, er just hang on a minute, erm he's got someone in and he's busy and not to be disturbed Right Mr, hello I've had a quick word with Mike and he seems to think there's some correspondence on the file, I'll have to go and find the file and get back to you, so, er you, I haven't got your, your phone number there I don't think, er I only had your fax number... right, I'll get back as soon as I can, thank you bye bye. Mr has just phoned about all this work and as, he's saying and he wanted to speak to Mike and I said I'll go and check it Right do you want a drink?
[Merielle:] Yes please
[Martine:] Teasy-weasy?
[Merielle:] Whoopy-whoopy
[Martine:] erm what do you want coffee? I think I'll have a chocolate actually Would you?
[Merielle:] er, oh, are you busy?
[Martine:] Busy
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] brewing
[Merielle:] No, I'm, I'm not you see so I can do it if you're busy
[Martine:] Oh that's very nice of you to offer. no
[Merielle:] bring it up as scheduled
[Martine:] Oh that was a very dirty look you gave me then young man.
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER] It wasn't was it?
[Martine:] It was, you went
[Merielle:] Have you put that on?
[Martine:] She's lying
[Merielle:] So it's on?
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] words like drat and damn
[Martine:] Of course it is... What are you doing over your five days of weekend Graham?
[Merielle:] I'm going to Manchester shopping tomorrow
[Martine:] Are you? With erm
[Merielle:] with my with my girlfriend
[Martine:] What's her name?
[Merielle:] Lorna
[Martine:] Lorna This is still
[Merielle:] not the ex
[Martine:] Ah It is a newy No, they're back together, he's normal Oh so it's the
[Merielle:] It's an oldie who disappeared and then came back
[Martine:] She is back in his world, ah but no so, ex girlfriend
[Merielle:] No
[Martine:] shot her dad
[Merielle:] Shot her father, yeah
[Martine:] Has he accepted it?...
[Merielle:] He, you know that bloke who you said you were on the phone to in Liverpool and he's got
[Martine:] , yeah
[Merielle:] Yeah, I thought it sounds like this Liam
[Martine:] Liam
[Merielle:] Liam it's her dad
[Martine:] Mm
[Merielle:] I mean, she, she and me as well, oh
[Martine:] Ooh Graham ooh
[Merielle:] I can't believe it
[Martine:] What's his argument now?
[Merielle:] [LAUGHTER] I treated her rotten whilst I was studying like I wouldn't take time off studying to go and see her or phone her when... I saw her as often as I could, every weekend
[Martine:] Like what?
[Merielle:] I drove back and saw them
[Martine:] Without having a detrimental effect on the studying, you did what you could
[Merielle:] I fitted them, I fitted the studying in and more and he said oh fair enough...
[Martine:] [sigh] Some people are born that way
[Merielle:] The things I have to do
[Martine:] It's wicked, so what you gonna buy her tomorrow then?...
[Merielle:] What, nothing
[Martine:] Ooh, that speaks for news doesn't it? Mm
[Merielle:] lunch
[Martine:] You're not going round jewellery shops or anything are you?
[Merielle:] No, no, no, no, nothing, nothing like that
[Martine:] Telephone shops, you can get her a ring in there [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] Sorry
[Merielle:] No we're not
[Martine:] no that news is full of crap anyway, he said so himself
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] You mean it's a shit shop? [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] A shit shop
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] I don't believe you sometimes... It is, it is working [LAUGHTER]...
[Merielle:] No, no, nothing special like that
[Martine:] No, just a pleasant day
[Merielle:] Yeah
[Martine:] you hope
[Merielle:] in the rain and
[Martine:] Oh no, if it's anything like today, which it probably will be, it will be nice. Will you stop doing that please?... Teddy's going to vomit [LAUGHTER] if he don't stop
[Merielle:] I mean if I start doing that
[Martine:] Yeah
[Merielle:] I figure it's got to go across from one side to another
[Martine:] I bet they would as well
[Merielle:] ooh, er
[Martine:] ooh, er you Richard
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] Where's my letter coming in?... No, have ring Mr tomorrow, confirm, confirm, affirmative Confirm the events confirmative, pardon? Events, relevance Relevant Ants relevant, no, no, look ant ant it is now Mm... I think you looked that up the other day... I think I've already put ring Mr, yes, stupid boy... [yawn]... Mike said I've got to put a note on the fax say P S you, the charges
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] And is he kidding? It's going on it Don't he told me to put it on it He told you to say it, but he had a shock when he well he told me to say it Don't... But he told me to put it on I don't think he's serious Jan He was serious, it's his get out from telling you to say that in the first place... And he means to do it as a joke does he? Yes I still wouldn't do it. Who's it to? Do you know who's it going to?
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] What? You have got to put it. He was joking [LAUGHTER]
[Merielle:] No the other one
[Martine:] don't phone me again Just put don't fucking that's dirt enough [reading] as per your telephone conversation today's date please find attached copies of Is it double M, double T and double E in committee? I hope this will be of assistance []
[Merielle:] Hang on, double M, double T and double E
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Merielle:] Not in that order
[Martine:] Exactly...
[Merielle:] Have you seen that little worm? I knew that would take me longer
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Sorry
[Merielle:] on the, near the printer there's a screen near the table or something, it's got this little orange thing that keeps doing this
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Martine:] You've lost me completely... and that doesn't take much I'm sure.
[Merielle:] Mm, this little worm
[Martine:] Graham will you show me your, your chinese worm please? Hello there, hey I've come to see Mr Trevor, is it alright to pop in and see him?
[speaker001:] Yes, yes...
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] I'll have to wake him now anyway for his supper so
[Martine:] Are you sure?
[speaker001:] Yeah, Trev
[Harold:] Mm
[speaker001:] Hello
[Harold:] Hello
[speaker001:] you've got a visitor
[Martine:] Guess who's come to see you?
[Harold:] Who?
[speaker001:] I think he'll be needing his glasses [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] I think he will, he won't remember me I don't think either
[Harold:] Ten past five
[speaker001:] Yes
[Martine:] How are you Trevor?
[Harold:] Oh it's Martine, hello darling
[Martine:] Who, he said, mm
[Harold:] Ah
[Martine:] How are you?
[Harold:] Alright
[Martine:] Good I've only found out today about you
[Harold:] No
[Martine:] I've had me spies out you see Nicky
[Harold:] Nicky was here yesterday
[Martine:] Well that's who's told me, I didn't know anything about it
[Harold:] Yeah
[Martine:] not a thing
[Harold:] Oh aye
[Martine:] and she said oh, she said I've been to see a friend
[Harold:] I can't write to you any more, that's the trouble
[Martine:] I know, it's a blow isn't it?
[Harold:] It is, oh well, there we are
[Martine:] Never mind, she said to me this morning, she said I've been to see a friend of yours, I said well who's that? Oh she said Trevor, I said why, where is he? Oh he's in hospital, I didn't know a thing about it, I've been saying when we've been to the Pentam, we haven't seen Trevor for a while, we haven't seen Trevor, and even Barry at the Pentam didn't tell me, he thought I knew
[Harold:] Did he?
[Martine:] Yes, and every time I go in there, I say well what you know Barry and he didn't tell me that, he thought I already knew
[Harold:] Well, well, well
[Martine:] Terrible show, ah?
[Harold:] Oh terrible show
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] Ah, thank you darling
[Martine:] Card for you there
[Harold:] Thank you
[Martine:] I'd of bought you some grapes only I'd of probably eaten them myself
[Harold:] Well that's very nice
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Harold:] you did yourself more bloody
[Martine:] well this is it, you've got a good stock up anyway there
[Harold:] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah
[Martine:] Good stuff
[Harold:] Oh keep well, I, I seen your straight in the wheelchair
[Martine:] Oh
[Harold:] out in the, you know in the precinct
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] I looked up the window and no, no Martine there
[Martine:] No I wasn't there to wave to you, I thought
[Harold:] Oh dear
[Martine:] I wasn't there to give you a wave I'm afraid
[Harold:] No, no you weren't no, no you weren't anywhere
[Martine:] Not to worry, no working hard probably
[Harold:] Ah shame
[Martine:] These are nice isn't he?
[Harold:] Ah, that's lovely that... Martine and who
[Martine:] Mike, me husband
[Harold:] Oh your husband
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] oh aye tell him I appreciate this very much will you?
[Martine:] I will do, I will do
[Harold:] Thank him so much, so much, well that's lovely, that's lovely.
[Martine:] I thought I better call and see how you were doing
[Harold:] Sorry
[Martine:] I thought I better call and see how you were doing, now we know
[Harold:] Ah lovely
[Martine:] so there we go
[Harold:] What's it like Marty?
[Martine:] It's not bad, it's dry
[Harold:] Is it?
[Martine:] Yeah, so, it hasn't been a bad day, it's been quite nice
[Harold:] Sorry?
[Martine:] it's been quite a nice day really
[Harold:] Has it?
[Martine:] if I hadn't been stuck in the office all day, if I could of been out and about somewhere it would of been even nicer
[Harold:] Be nice yeah, yeah, yeah, you been to the Pentam today?
[Martine:] so, still it's nearly the weekend, pardon?
[Harold:] Have you been to the Pentam today?
[Martine:] I called in, yeah because I said to Barry I said here I said you di, you hadn't told me about our Trevor
[Harold:] Yeah
[Martine:] Oh he said I thought you knew
[Harold:] Oh he didn't bother
[Martine:] but er, he doesn't tell me anything, he doesn't tell me the gossip
[Harold:] Doesn't he?
[Martine:] No
[Harold:] Do you ever see Steve?
[Martine:] No, I haven't done for a while see I
[Harold:] You
[Martine:] might of thought to ask him if I'd of seen him, but you know the lad I go in there with Chris?
[Harold:] Aye
[Martine:] Well I said to him only last week, I said wonder where Trevor is these days, haven't seem to see him in here, but er
[Harold:] Well I'm gonna come out, I said er, I'm going to, I'm gonna get well, I've given myself a fortnight this weekend
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] to get, to get mobile, to get going again
[Martine:] Yes
[Harold:] has been, anyway, and er after that I'm going, I'm going on the
[Martine:] oh that'll be nice
[Harold:] Well I'll be near my daughter
[Martine:] Well that's right
[Harold:] and er, they've found me a very, very nice residential home
[Martine:] Oh lovely
[Harold:] it's only twelve people in it altogether, beautiful
[Martine:] Gorgeous
[Harold:] you know, it's like a big family isn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah, ah that's nice
[Harold:] And er... the bedroom they've given me I can see out through the window so I
[Martine:] Lovely
[Harold:] oh
[Martine:] tut
[Harold:] smashing
[Martine:] Oh that's alright isn't it?
[Harold:] But before I go I said to the today, there's a fellow there, I don't know whether you knew, whether you know him, he's on the, he's on the oil rigs he gets a
[Martine:] Mm
[Harold:] fortnight off and a fortnight on
[Martine:] No
[Harold:] and he's got er rather curly hair and he comes into the Pentam
[Martine:] No, I might know him by sight, but er I can't think of him
[Harold:] Aye, right, I met him in the, in the, what's the name of that sweet shop, Martin and somebody
[Martine:] Oh 's, yeah
[Harold:] Yeah and er, I said to Jane now I said now look before I go to Preston, I want to go in the pub
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Harold:] I must to go to the pub and see
[Martine:] Well yes
[Harold:] must see the boys and girls in the pub before I go in now
[Martine:] that's it
[Harold:] so I'm coming in
[Martine:] Oh good
[Harold:] I don't know whether it's this next week it depends on her when
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] by the time she comes, because to get there she's gotta come, so that, she can get me there
[Martine:] Well that's it
[Harold:] exactly about lunch time you know
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] get me in there for about one o'clock or something like that you know
[Martine:] Smashing, oh that'll be nice
[Harold:] Oh, er
[Martine:] I'll buy you a beer then
[Harold:] Aha, ha I'm not worried about that
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Harold:] I'm worried about oh the beer here is
[Martine:] yeah ooh, you shouldn't be telling me all this [LAUGHTER] They're looking after you well by the look of it
[Harold:] Oh they're looking after me alright,
[Martine:] smashing
[Harold:] the menu here is lovely
[Martine:] Is there?
[Harold:] Oh very, very good
[Martine:] Ooh I might come for me tea tomorrow then
[Harold:] Ee, ee you do that dear
[Martine:] I won't have to do any washing up at home then
[Harold:] No you won't do
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Oh dear
[Harold:] Of course there's, there's a, a very good er... a very good menu to have er lamb and mint sauce and you know
[Martine:] Good god
[Harold:] or beef and Yorkshire pud
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] oh, or pork
[Martine:] Living it up then you are
[Harold:] Oh aye, have to be careful you see... bet I'm not much heavier than you now
[Martine:] No
[Harold:] I'm only nine stone thirteen
[Martine:] Ooh
[Harold:] so, you're not much more than that
[Martine:] No, not quite
[Harold:] you're not like it then?
[Martine:] Not quite
[Harold:] I got to make eight stone
[Martine:] Mm, just over
[Harold:] Well anyway I, I be
[Martine:] no you've got to be very careful haven't you?
[Harold:] When they, when they weighed me I thought I had to have my leg off, I went to the centre and she'd weighed me and she said nine stone seven, I said what?
[Martine:] Mm
[speaker001:] Have we got any erm, oh I use
[Harold:] nine stone seven, I said what you talking about nine stone seven, I'm eleven and a half stone, not now you're not she said
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Harold:] I said what
[Martine:] Well that's it
[Harold:] and the trauma of it all
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] taken the weight off me
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] so, that was that, so anyway a fortnight ago I suppose
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] and I was ten stone two
[Martine:] Ooh
[Harold:] and he said, now you've got a rupture
[Martine:] Yeah, you've got to be careful haven't you?
[Harold:] If you put more than half a stone on
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] it means that your leg's gotta go and it's gotta go on the leg and all this ulcer
[Martine:] Mm
[Harold:] so yes yesterday I was delighted I was only nine stone thirteen, so
[Martine:] Good
[Harold:] I was delighted yesterday
[Martine:] You keep being careful and you'll be alright won't you?
[Harold:] Well aye, you have when you like things isn't it?
[Martine:] Well that's it
[Harold:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Harold:] I like things you know
[Martine:] Well that's it
[Harold:] Oh
[Martine:] it's nice when you can enjoy your food isn't it?
[Harold:] Oh well aye, I like it
[Martine:] yes
[Harold:] I like a good meal, and I'm afraid I like I use, I, I, even the girls on chocolate stuff and all that, people say, I'm trying to cut it out though
[Martine:] Well yeah
[Harold:] so I give it these girls, them, let them have the worry
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Harold:] mm
[Martine:] Safer isn't it? Oh dear me
[Harold:] Oh my... Irene she comes to see me
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] we're terrible us girls and what, what with Easter coming up, we'll be eating all these Easter eggs as well won't we?
[Harold:] Pardon?
[Martine:] And what with Easter coming up as well we'll be eating all these Easter eggs and
[Harold:] That's right, that's right yeah, yeah, yeah
[Martine:] we'll be big fat things
[Harold:] When is Easter love?
[Martine:] Er, I think it's... the, the twentieth isn't it Easter Monday?
[Harold:] Is it?
[Martine:] I think so
[Harold:] Twentieth of April
[Martine:] Yeah, that's Easter Monday, I think that's right anyway
[Harold:] Well then I'll be in the nursing home
[Martine:] Yeah, you'll be nice, you'll be close to your family there won't you?
[Harold:] Yeah
[Martine:] Your daughter and that
[Harold:] I won't see the one, the one from Scotland I won't see
[Martine:] No, it's a hell of a long way
[Harold:] to a long way
[Martine:] isn't it?
[Harold:] But erm Jane and her husband have gone to gone, gone to Scotland today
[Martine:] Have they?
[Harold:] er, he's, he's gonna have a day's fishing with Bev tomorrow or Saturday
[Martine:] Lovely
[Harold:] tomorrow's Friday isn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah, all day
[Harold:] Oh they're not going until tomorrow, I said today but they're going tomorrow
[Martine:] Right
[Harold:] Yeah Jane is working today so they'll be off tomorrow
[Martine:] Oh that'll be a nice break
[Harold:] evening and they'll be off to Glasgow for the weekend
[Martine:] Oh lovely
[Harold:] They'll leave the two kids at home you see, they get
[Martine:] well this is it, this is it, be a nice break for them won't it?
[Harold:] Oh lovely, yes, yes
[Martine:] Be smashing
[Harold:] Oh yeah
[Martine:] Very good, right
[Harold:] Barry's alright is he?
[Martine:] Oh yes
[Harold:] Is he still keeping everybody in order?
[Martine:] Yes, still doing well
[Harold:] Is he?
[Martine:] still got his nice car
[Harold:] What's he got?
[Martine:] He's got a Porsche now hasn't he?
[Harold:] Someone told me he got a Porsche
[Martine:] Yeah it's lovely, some money's worth there, I think me and you have paid for that car
[Harold:] We have yeah
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Harold:] that's true enough, that's true enough
[Martine:] Oh
[Harold:] Well he's not too bad is he? is he?
[Martine:] No
[Harold:] He keeps his prices down very well
[Martine:] Yeah, he hasn't put them up since the budget
[Harold:] Oh
[Martine:] they've stopped the same
[Harold:] I don't think, well I don't I don't think he'll go over the top with it
[Martine:] No, he'll not, I think he's one of the cheapest in Mold anyway isn't he?
[Harold:] Yes he is isn't he? Well he was anyway
[Martine:] Yeah well he hasn't altered them
[Harold:] Oh no
[Martine:] We were trying to get him to do, it was Saint Patrick's day wasn't it on Tuesday?
[Harold:] Was it?
[Martine:] Yeah, we were trying to get er get him to do Guinness fifty P a pint, but he wouldn't hear of it
[Harold:] It wasn't
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] we were trying to get him to sell the Guinness fifty P a pint because it was Saint Patrick's day
[Harold:] He wouldn't have it though?
[Martine:] No, he wouldn't, wasn't having it at all
[Harold:] Was he not
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] No I'm afraid not
[Harold:] Oh dear
[Martine:] but it was worth a try wasn't it?
[Harold:] Oh absolutely
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Harold:] Oh yeah, yeah, are you busy these days?
[Martine:] Yeah, keeping myself busy I've got a lot of surveys coming up in Caernarfon of all places
[Harold:] You're not going to Caernarfon?
[Martine:] I am, yes
[Harold:] Oh, you going there to stay?
[Martine:] Well I'll be staying over there some of the time, but then I'll be travelling every day
[Harold:] Will you?
[Martine:] Yeah, it takes
[Harold:] Motoring every day
[Martine:] Yeah, it takes an hour and a quarter it takes to get there
[Harold:] It will to Caernarfon
[Martine:] Mm, quite a haul
[Harold:] Where will you stay when you get, when you, when you stay there?
[Martine:] I dunno love bed and breakfast or something there, bed and breakfast or a little guest house or something
[Harold:] Hotel somewhere
[Martine:] Yeah, something nice... so I get all me expenses for it
[Harold:] Aye, of course you will
[Martine:] so er, I might as well hadn't I?
[Harold:] Well
[Martine:] so
[Harold:] I know what you mean, your husband's gonna miss you there for a couple of nights
[Martine:] Well that's it, have, have to sacrifice it's all money isn't it?
[Harold:] It's all money yeah
[Martine:] It'll all be worth it
[Harold:] Yeah, yeah, yeah
[Martine:] so
[Harold:] Yeah
[Martine:] I think I'd better go home and make him some tea now, he'll be wondering where I am
[Harold:] Will he?
[Martine:] Yeah
[Harold:] Why is he home before you?
[Martine:] Well us usually he gets home around half five
[Harold:] Does he?
[Martine:] so it's getting on now though isn't it?
[Harold:] Twenty past love
[Martine:] Yeah, so er, he wouldn't of know you see, cos I only found out today, I wouldn't of, I haven't had a chance to tell him that I was coming here, but I thought well I'd call on me way home and see how you are
[Harold:] He'll believe you when he gets home
[Martine:] Yes
[Harold:] he will believe you won't he?
[Martine:] Ah
[Harold:] Or do you want me to sign a
[Martine:] you'd better sign a for me, no he'll be alright, have a nice bit of tea, so I will
[Harold:] Lovely of you coming
[Martine:] It's alright, I'll look out for you in the Pentam
[Harold:] Oh right
[Martine:] [kiss]
[Harold:] Ta ta love
[Martine:] Ooh that was the lovely, I've put lipstick all
[Harold:] Oh lovely girl
[Martine:] over these nurses
[Harold:] never mind
[Martine:] will be talking about you
[Harold:] never mind about them
[Martine:] You, you look after yourself
[Harold:] I will sweetheart
[Martine:] and hopefully I will be in the Pentam when you come down
[Harold:] When I call I will
[Martine:] Yes
[Harold:] Yes
[Martine:] or if you can tell Barry when you're coming I'll be definitely in there to see you, how's that?
[Harold:] Right dear I will
[Martine:] Alright
[Harold:] I'll do my best
[Martine:] you look after yourself
[Harold:] Will do
[Martine:] Enjoy your tea
[Harold:] Pardon?
[Martine:] Enjoy your tea [LAUGHTER]
[Harold:] Thank you very much Martine bye, bye darling
[Martine:] Alright ta ta sweetheart
[Harold:] Bye I love you darling
[Martine:] Bye Trev
[Nora:] It's chilly, come in.
[Martine:] Hello! Look the dog's. You been polishing your brass on your door?
[Nora:] Does it show then?
[Martine:] Yeah! door.
[Nora:] as nice as that.
[Martine:] Mind you, you haven't got all the traffic like we have.
[Nora:] Yeah, it's cold!
[Martine:] Shut up! Hiya dogs!
[Nora:] Can you turn the key?
[Martine:] No.
[Nora:] Oh,
[Martine:] Hiya! Oh! Ooh you're good dogs! Ooh
[Nora:] Come in here!
[Martine:] You are looking beautiful!
[Nora:] Got so many dogs.
[Martine:] Go on, in there!
[Nora:] Is it your mother? I know what your like.
[Martine:] Go on then!
[Nora:] got nowhere to sleep on this.
[Martine:] Ohhh what have done to this little dog! Look at his little!
[Nora:] It should be over there. [LAUGHTER] But he doesn't
[Martine:] Well!
[Nora:] Absolutely!
[Martine:] Good God! It's some weight innit? It's a door stop is it?
[Nora:] There's loads of big in the bathroom.
[Martine:] Well! You mustn't have Goosey Lucy No!
[Nora:] What's the matter Chloe?
[Martine:] What's the smell in here? What have you had for your tea?
[Nora:] Cos she's still in season.
[Martine:] Why?
[Nora:] Because she always goes... quiet. Usually she makes rather a fuss of... Tammy, Tammy's just going out... look, she's coming in aren't you? I know you're just coming in, you are! Oh!
[Martine:] You lucky dogs! Little chews!
[Nora:] Right. What for tea.
[Martine:] Oh shit, I haven't bought any scissors! Oh and... Mike still hasn't been fo for today at work.
[Nora:] I washed my hair, special! And I've gotta pick that. No, that's.
[Martine:] You'll love that Caroline, I didn't give it a thought I'm sorry?
[Nora:] Where's your ones? Well... we'll let you off.
[Martine:] I took them to work to clean my nails!
[Nora:] Oh, I hope you cleaned them out? Don't want all... gunge on my head!
[Martine:] Oh aye! Cleaned all the snot out you know! Erm... you've got a nice smell, what have you for your tea?
[Nora:] Er, oh I made it, I made curry. It's very, very mild, it's a mild curry mix we had.
[Martine:] Mm!
[Nora:] I'll have that, if that's a curry, well... we said bloody hell we never sa, chicken curry this hot before!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] No []!
[Nora:] And I only had a bit though, with rice and some bread and some
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] poppadoms. Oh, and tomato sauce, I always have... curry and tomato sauce!
[Martine:] Ooh yeah! You don't! Pot pourri, with a loo brush now!
[Nora:] Hey, can you tell me something
[Martine:] Smells nice!
[Nora:] ?
[Martine:] Yeah!
[Nora:] Cos it like, goes a long way. But these are some other make... erm... looks like Lloyd's own, it does make
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] like the... but they probably made some things.
[Martine:] Looks like toothpaste.
[Nora:] Coming out?
[Martine:] Mm! Cos I got, er... when I bought my... pot pourri there was a little bottle... or more like oil, you know, like how your mum
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] has? Erm... and I had that, but I've used the last of that to be honest. I could do with a bit more.
[Nora:] Well they were selling pot pourris when I was queuing up to get,
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] oh the other, the other lot were in Boots?
[Martine:] No.
[Nora:] Go for a.
[Martine:] Er, smells of blackcurrant the one that I've got.
[Nora:] They're like bloody well erm... sweaty, mouldy!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Nora:] They were! I never smelt pot pourri like it!
[Martine:] Good God! Doesn't sound so good!
[Nora:] And I got... a bag from erm... Woolworths... all blue... shells in it for two ninety
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] five. I'm sure there was
[Martine:] Just a very flat one, yeah. And... I've started not having any to be honest.
[Nora:] I have about, I have half of that, quarter of that. In work, they have to count it!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Nora:] count them out, oh you're down to eight now?
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... Oh!
[Nora:] After a week they'll soon sho, shove it up there! But, you know
[Martine:] I don't think, there's more than, you take two each.
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] I couldn't back to, like I always used to have two... erm... but oh I couldn't go back to that! Sometimes now if I... if I'm not careful and put a bit too much
[Nora:] Yeah, you picked up and is wro, the wrong one up.
[Martine:] Oh! It's just you get used to it don't you? [yawn]
[Nora:] Yeah, that's what I've been doing cutting down... gradual.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] As I say, I've always been like it... that far for ages.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] Can't get in ten grains.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... And you can taste the difference can you?
[Nora:] That is always out!
[Martine:] Oh you've took your things off your fridge?
[Nora:] Yeah. They're on there now.
[Martine:] Oh dog!
[Nora:] Ooh!
[Martine:] Oh dog!
[Nora:] Coming in, yeah?
[Martine:] How's your mum and dad?
[Nora:] Oh,. Get in there!
[Martine:] There's no need to be like that!
[Nora:] Go and sit on there, go on! [whistling]
[Martine:] Go on!
[Nora:] See she'd be attacking you if she was alright.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Nora:] She's moody... for ages.
[Martine:] Your mum knows you are! Your mum knows!
[Nora:] She's sulking now cos we haven't really have we? She wouldn't go out in the car the other week so we like chained her to the wall we were. And she ripped my nail right off, it was a great big long one!
[Martine:] Ohhhh! God!
[Nora:] It was all blood gone on there, it's grown a bit now.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] Watching. we weren't speaking were we Satan? We call her Satan now!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Nora:] It's alright, but mother didn't really mean it! Go on fatty! Get in her corner now!
[Martine:] What's behind this cupboard?
[Nora:] Well it wa... it went up and it was like that dash... used to be... I should think it looks alright when I've... finished it. It's all the water.
[Martine:] Oh right!
[Nora:] come here!.
[Martine:] It was a piece of thing and it screwed up.
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []!
[Martine:] Oh right!
[Nora:] Yeah. If you were gonna switch the water on you had to run round and find the screwdriver
[Martine:] Oh, what a!
[Nora:] We had some people round
[Martine:] Controlled it, I was going to sneeze!
[Nora:] Had all these people round about the house.
[Martine:] When did they come? Did you have anybody that weekend when you rung on a Saturday?
[Nora:] No, nobody. Someone come... the other day, what was it? Tuesday. And they'd been... down the Lake District, they were from the Lake district. Well he has got a job... you know
[Martine:] Mm.
[Nora:] oh yeah, or something like that can't remember.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] Well they said well we'll go back on Thursday and he said we've been round everywhere, he said, the thing is we don't know the area cos everyone
[Martine:] No.
[Nora:] keeps saying oh it's a lovely area! Lovely area! I said well this is, but yo you can't take my word for it because
[Martine:] Well no.
[Nora:] I could be saying that to sell the house, but I said it is. I said there's a lot of nice areas round here. She said oh yes, your kitchen's lovely! Oh everywhere's lovely, oh yes! I said oh well
[Martine:] Well they will not.
[Nora:] They will not have it, optimi optimi... too optimistic because... the first people I have, won't be the first one that'll buy it.
[Martine:] Well that's often the way isn't it?
[Nora:] So
[Martine:] Well I mean you could imagine them loving it!
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] You know, I mean I can't imagine anybody coming round and not thinking it's lovely cos you've got it spot on!
[Nora:] But no one else has... nothing else.
[Martine:] Haven't they?
[Nora:] No. Actually I've been... I was sitting in the lounge today right and you know the situation there... see his car going round the corner and stop and got out the car beaming at me, I said cor... give him my old!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Nora:] All the neighbours have seen us clip clip clop down the path.
[Martine:] Oh!
[Nora:] Oh dear me! Get on your mats! Tell her to budge up. Next time she's gonna.
[Martine:] Good though innit?
[Nora:] It's good.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Oh []! The wicker ones they've been thrown out have they? The wicker basket thing have you?
[Nora:] No, probably chewed it all up!
[Martine:] What are you like!
[Nora:] She was teasing, oh it's probably the
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] wrong time for her. They've gotta have those like cushiony ones that you can wash.
[Martine:] Oh!
[Nora:] The.
[Martine:] My laddie's got one of them... like brown, very tough plastic
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] ones.
[Nora:] Ben got one of those.
[Martine:] That's right, yeah.
[Nora:] No, and her.
[Martine:] Ay, is Pip alright? She bit the postman didn't she, is it or somebody, the milkman or somebody?
[Nora:] Did she? Oh!
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] She does only like you.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] The little madam []! Erm... the
[Nora:] She bit the postman or
[Martine:] the postman I think it
[Nora:] because
[Martine:] was.
[Nora:] he you ee, his hand goes in the letter box
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] the window was slightly open and Pip was sleeping under the window in the conservatory
[Martine:] Oh.
[Nora:] talking about, you know. Looked out... well he put the letter... on er the... it was slightly open so he had to put it... you know, I mean... the postman
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] and the next minute rar rar rar
[Martine:] Oh my God!
[Nora:] Well, my mum said he should put them through the letter box.
[Martine:] Yeah. Or I mean... I think he's, she's bitten him before, if he had any sense he'd leave them at the... gate or something, I mean somebody would go for them.
[Nora:] Yeah!
[Martine:] Wha, silly fool! No sympathy with people like that! And the best laugh is... erm... my mum, like, with Laddie... like Laddie wouldn't hurt a fly... and she can hear the postman sometimes, my mum... get back! Get back! Get back! Just cos he's barking like a welcome.
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] And er, he's petrified, well that's no way to talk to a dog and if you're gonna start off... being aggressive they're gonna go for you you sho
[Nora:] Who's petrified, Laddie? Oh the postman.
[Martine:] The postman!
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Petrified of Laddie, good God almighty!
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] Well my mum... sees loads of dogs and that and she just, good boy, good boy! Yo, I mean if you ignore them practically they're alright.
[Nora:] Yeah.... Wanna a fag?
[Martine:] Give it up. I'm going mad!
[Nora:] Oh you give it up?
[Martine:] I have. The what?
[Nora:] Ay... do you wanna dirty weekend?. Worm Chloe... oh gotta worm you soon Chloe. And you mum? Oh erm Tam... if you're in this house. We'll have to ring this vet up see where your cards are.... Dear Tammy and Chloe it's booster time!
[Martine:] To see where what's gone?
[Nora:] They send them a post card through and I thought it was about February, but Win reckons it's the end of March... their booster time.
[Martine:] Oh!
[Nora:] And er... to see when we go... every year don't they? I haven't!
[Martine:] You have. I'll bloody well tell Nicole!
[Nora:] Get knotted!
[Martine:] They're not, they're real.
[Nora:] ... How do you get
[Martine:] They're real.
[Nora:] your nails that long?
[Martine:] Don't do any housework!
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER] []!
[Martine:] They're not! I'm growing them for the wedding, they'll have to get cut because I break them.
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] But I, they are real these. Then they grows a lot and they all break. I've always had strong nails.
[Nora:] No well mine aren't strong.
[Martine:] They don't grow very nice shape. I keep saying when they get sort of quite long that I'll have them properly shaped and
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] whether they'd stay in the right shape or not.
[Nora:] Well that one grows like a claw.
[Martine:] Yeah. That's how Susan's got, Susan's are so bloody thick you know!
[Nora:] Well they are.
[Martine:] And they curl right over, ooh! She's got back from er, Tunisia.
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] I haven't spoke to her, I meant to ring her today but it's been all bloody go! Erm... but she's had a nice time. But I told you on the phone didn't I, it rained and
[Nora:] Oh!
[Martine:] whether she'll have much of a tan or not, I don't know. I don't think she was that bothered, I'd be annoyed, like! I don't mind, I wouldn't of minded it a bit dull to start off... erm... and it would of probably done her good cos she wasn't used to it.
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] You'd be a bit pissed off wouldn't you? If it didn't... if you didn't have any sun. But, you were saying erm... your dad's mum and dad had been
[Nora:] Oh
[Martine:] and it was raining
[Nora:] they thought about that.
[Martine:] Cyprus, did you tell me?
[Nora:] No. Saudi... no.
[Martine:] Oh was it?
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER] No, no Saudi []! Near the Sahara Desert anywhere, somewhere,tha, somewhere round there I think.
[Martine:] Oh! And they'd had rain hadn't they?
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] And no end of people! Erm
[Nora:] But get a picture of something.
[Martine:] Yeah. Well Susan would have been home now.
[Nora:] Oh. You know the sunbed you had... was it a fast tanner while you was on holiday?
[Martine:] You've asked me this before, it was a fast tan.
[Nora:] Oh do they?
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] How often do you go under it?
[Martine:] Oh or was it?
[Nora:] Oh, make your mind up!
[Martine:] Yes, it was you. Er
[Nora:] How often did you go under it?
[Martine:] I went every day.
[Nora:] Every day?
[Martine:] . I started off... qua, er quarter of an hour so... half ha, it was only one of these things that goes over the top. I just did half and half... and... then I built up with the second couple of days then I did twenty minutes... and then... by the end of the week I went twenty five minutes half an hour. And er
[Nora:] Oh.
[Martine:] just built it up from there.
[Nora:] How many weeks is that for?
[Martine:] I think I had it for about... six or, six or seven weeks, something like that. Cos I had it... for a month, cos I didn't know whether I was gonna like it, I'd never been on one before... and er... I'd heard Judith say that you could feel claustrophobic, you know, with it over you
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] but, so I said oh I'll have it for a month and then I'll tell you then whether
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] I want it extended and that was fine. But when I rung to take it, for them to take it back... they had a special offer on and it was twelve weeks for... forty pu,pa, you know, were doing it cheap
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] cheaper than what I'd had it for but I mean... they always do something like that
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] don't they? You can guarantee it! Erm... I'd have one aga, I mean, I wa I wanted mine for Alan's wedding so I could have a nice tan for, with my suit. Erm... cos I'd always said ooh I wouldn't ever have a sunbed and all that, but... I did in the end, cos we weren't gonna go anywhere so
[Nora:] No.
[Martine:] and, like I said I mean... anyway if you've got a tan
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] you can wear your nice summer clothes... I'd hate white legs!
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] Erm... and I dunno, you just feel better, you feel good, you do.
[Nora:] I don't... well like, we're not going abroad so I want one... but... they're so bloody cumbersome and I don't want it...
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] I got nowhere to pu, hide if anyone comes round.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] So I don't
[Martine:] Yeah, this one, you could store it up on it's own
[Nora:] Yeah, but they're still in the bloody
[Martine:] but
[Nora:] way aren't they?
[Martine:] That's it!
[Nora:] No, this one yo, well we had... but it wasn't a fast tan.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] Are you going to do much on ano, on a fast tan one this time?
[Martine:] No, well like I said... I mean I didn't think mine had... tanned me that much until I saw the photos from Alan's wedding, I was like a nigger.
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] Erm... but he was a good chap, this one, he come and delivered it, set it up and
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] all the rest of it. It's the one on er, the Aston Hill... by
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] the plaque. Erm... but like, ideally, I said oh yes we can have it in the spare room, well there was that much rubbish in there... clothes and God knows what else... I ended up having it on... our bed... well it... every time you wanted it you had pull it out, and they're bloody heavy! It was
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] on casters but the wheels
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] weren't much cop! So it was a bit of a pain but
[Nora:] As soon as I sell this I can get one. Sell it tomorrow then I'll get one.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] An and the other thing is of course, when I first started going on it... you can't read... while you're on it No.
[Martine:] because you have to wear the goggle
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] things and mine kept steaming up. Erm... so... it's a bit of a... I kept falling asleep.
[Nora:] Well I'd be sitting there thinking oh God, I wish it would hurry up! [LAUGHTER] You got nothing
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] to do []!
[Martine:] That's it! It's... alri, like Judith... has got her own
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] and every night she'd be on it! She'd be in the bath, on the sunbed, and... you know, out like on a Friday night that was her, bath, sunbed
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] out she'd go like.
[Nora:] Erm
[Martine:] But I mean she didn't... hers wasn't fast tan one.
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] Well she never looked brown all the time, do you know, I don't think it affected her after a while. I think it was just the thought that she'd been on it you know, and a nice bit of heat and everything, relaxing. The first time I had mine I was falling asleep and does a big click when it
[Nora:] And it wakes you up.
[Martine:] wohhh! And I
[Nora:] I used to
[Martine:] used to bang my head on the bloody thing! With
[Nora:] Cos it... I used to get... know when it, when it, soon as it goes... tick, tick, tick, tick,ti ti ti ti ti ti tick!
[Martine:] Yeah. It's not straight off.
[Nora:] Ooh I like them.
[Martine:] Horrible!
[Nora:] And it goes all black then doesn't it?
[Martine:] Yeah. Mike come up a few times. Said ay... what are you doing? Said nothing! He said you've been up here an hour and half! I said, oh... I'd only have the timer and it let's you do half an hour at a time
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] so you can't fry. And er... I'd fallen asleep, it had clicked off and I was still asleep!
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] But er... he went on it a couple of times... couldn't... didn't like.
[Nora:] Aye Win said he was there and er... sometimes he fell asleep and I'd be... oh Win! Win And he, he'd be fast asleep under it!
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] And then, I never went to sleep but I went sleepy but not... didn't actually sleep.
[Martine:] Oh I was out like a light! But on the... I don't think you'd bloody wake me if I had one now! I've been terrible! Nine o'clock and I'd have to go to bed! Dunno what's wrong with me!
[Nora:] Ooh!
[Martine:] And it's just not like me, I'd just be feeling tired all the time.
[Nora:] I was like that once. I'm not so bad now. So... right... where's the
[Martine:] Where's Win tonight?
[Nora:] He's at. Where is the best place to sit?
[Martine:] Er... where did I do you last time? Nearer the light. Can we shift this table a bit that way or... other way. Erm, what was I gonna say, oh aye, Mike said to say to tell Win
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] to remind him about the cars. I said I've reminded him once!
[Nora:] forget you know!
[Martine:] When they get the time he'll be, turn up sometime.
[Nora:] Ah
[Martine:] And so anyway, he's bringing the money round sometime next week.
[Nora:] Okey-dokey
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Nora:] You'll have to now won't you? [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Yeah. He's frightened to do.
[Nora:] Oh. That's the least of his bloody worries! Him
[Martine:] Oh.
[Nora:] turning up!
[Martine:] He's been made up this morning, he's had a big tax rebate, fifteen hundred quid!
[Nora:] Has he? Oh!
[Martine:] Mm. Tax re, yeah. The cat that's got the cream! Do, let me just drink this and I'll do you.
[Nora:] No! Oh!
[Martine:] Oh! You're busy in work then?...
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Who was the feller that answered the phone?
[Nora:] ?
[Martine:] I'd got through to a girl I said extension two three six and then... oh and the feller said er
[Nora:] I've changed now... four two three
[Martine:] Oh!
[Nora:] three now.
[Martine:] Two three three.
[Nora:] Got a different office now. Oh that was Dave.
[Martine:] Oh. Pretty much
[Nora:] !
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Nora:] Well he's okay but yo... we've all had to muck in lately because of all this change and he moans and he moans and he moans and he says, outright... I'm not doing that! Shall I tell you something now, he doesn't do it! And he gets away with bloody murder! And I said to him for God's sake stop bloody well moaning cos we've all gotta muck in! Oh, if you don't wanna get out! What am I supposed to do then?
[Martine:] Is he a newish... bod?
[Nora:] No. He used to be a... a driver, a driver, and then he used to be a driving supervisor... and now he's in like, in traffic now.
[Martine:] Oh! He's not he one that took this warehouse coordinator job?
[Nora:] Oh no, he's been sacked!
[Martine:] Oh has he?
[Nora:] Well he... he didn't take the warehouse manager's job.
[Martine:] Didn't he?
[Nora:] He like er... they thought he was too good for that. They've sacked him now.
[Martine:] Mm! What, they thought he was too good or he thought he was too good?
[Nora:] No but they thought he was far too good for him, put him on as trainee manager then they sacked him!
[Martine:] Oh right! Oh he's the one that was a bit flap
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] Oh right. Do you put a lot of conditioner in your hair?
[Nora:] Yeah. Only a bit. Why?
[Martine:] Well it just feels sort of
[Nora:] It's quite dry at the moment really.
[Martine:] Oh it's done really good! No, looks as though they've done you some sort of....
[Nora:] Wayne said tell Martine when she cuts your hair... she's not to cut the sides a lot, she'll cut it, it's quite different from the length between the sides and the back.
[Martine:] Okay. Yeah, and there was the last time I cut it I remember.
[Nora:] That was ages ago.
[Martine:] Cos there was already a... a difference.
[Nora:] I tend to trail the sides the though. You know, wrapped round my finger, and then
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] it weakens and breaks it off.
[Martine:] Why who told you that, Wayne?
[Nora:] What? No, I don't know why, it must do. The sides always seem thinner... and shorter than the back.
[Martine:] Yeah, cos like these bits as well, like some
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] of those are your fringe bits growing down aren't they? So that they make it as though, as though it doesn't just go fringe and then down, it sort of
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] a little bit
[Nora:] I know what you mean.
[Martine:] stepped. Are you gonna, gonna put a towel round you just there?
[Nora:] Yeah, have a look in that cupboard there. Oh you found them.
[Martine:] ... Shall I get a tea towel or a real towel do you want?
[Nora:] I want a... the bottom one. Yeah, that'll do.
[Martine:] Nice tins them! They're quite nice! Mm!
[Nora:] So erm, Charles mum bought them.
[Martine:] Mm mm? Mm mm!
[Nora:] Not too much of it then.
[Martine:] Well why don't I not take anything off the side?
[Nora:] Well I said, just don't... of me being in line.
[Martine:] Mm.... Yeah, I see what she means. So that's what
[Nora:] Please!
[Martine:] you want the back the same length as the side?
[Nora:] It has to. How much will you have to take off?
[Martine:] There's that much.
[Nora:] Make it the same length.
[Martine:] Mm.
[Nora:] scalped.
[Martine:] Yo, to get it the same as the sides
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] you'd need to take... a good half inch.
[Nora:] Oh! Oh I don't want that much off!
[Martine:] Not if I take a quarter of a inch.
[Nora:] Yeah, take quarter an inch off the back.
[Martine:] I'll just... trim the very dead ends off the side there.
[Nora:] Yeah. It needs the dead ends cut.
[Martine:] And this one.... I mean it doesn't look bad all over really. You know er... there's no tatty ends as such.
[Nora:] Well I think there is. It looks awfully dry.
[Martine:] Ah yeah but it makes quite a difference though.
[Nora:] Might have a shop opening soon.
[Martine:] Have you?
[Nora:] But... not this last time cos Rose did it last time.... having to cock up. Yes and she's had a little boy!
[Martine:] Hadn't she had that then?
[Nora:] Er.......... she
[Martine:] I wonder whether she'll do a bit of... you know, going round?
[Nora:] Yeah, she says she will do.
[Martine:] She might, she could take the baby.
[Nora:] She says she's going to.
[Martine:] Did she?
[Nora:] Yeah.... Better had do.
[Martine:] Yeah. Well I... I want mine permed really for the wedding. I fancy one of these spirally type... perms.
[Nora:] Yeah.... How do you do that?
[Martine:] It's just the way they roll the curler on so I've been told but... erm... whether it's simple as that or not I don't know.... Mm. You know, like they'd have to put a bit of a... twist in it I suppose. So it sort of comes out sort of... ringlets
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] rather than a curl. I dunno, I'm gonna try and see if er... if Sarah will do it for me. You know the... the?
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] See if she'll do it.
[Nora:] Oh she does them?
[Martine:] Yeah, she's with er, Raymond and Jason. But I wouldn't... go to them
[Nora:] No.
[Martine:] really... but seeing as I know her... erm... I thought I might give her a ring.
[Nora:] Are they building their house yet?
[Martine:] Yeah. Looks really, very nice.
[Nora:] Yeah??
[Martine:] Yeah. I just don't like where it is!
[Nora:] Where is it then?
[Martine:] It's on the common in Buckley
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Erm... well it's not sort of by itself, you know... it's er... surrounded by houses re, lovely houses, you know that are
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] big er, detached houses that have... not long been built as well but... to me, I can't see there being much privacy. Or at least, not until they've planted... you know, shrubbery and
[Nora:] Oh!
[Martine:] what have you.... But erm... they're going through a bit of a... wouldn't say a bad patch... but with living with their mum, with their
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] mum for so long... it's driving Dale round the bend!
[Nora:] Takes it's toll.
[Martine:] Well that's it! And she's in her element like, with her mum, because
[Nora:] Mm mm.
[Martine:] with er... the dad being dead
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] she's been... you know, used to being with her mum, I suppose she felt even closer than... any normal... you know, relationship.
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] But er... it's taking it's, taking it's toll on him.
[Nora:] Ah ah! And what about Alan and Sandra... are they?
[Martine:] They're alright. Alan rung me the other day. But er... perhaps he didn't... no, cos... did I, did I call? No.
[Nora:] another guy. Erm
[Martine:] No, he rung up... said how you doing, alright? He says yeah, fine. I told you he spewed up on Sandra didn't I?
[Nora:] No. Oh [LAUGHTER] the dirty bugger []!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Well they were going out. []... At home, you know in Lichfield
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] They'd been out... and er... I don't know who they'd been with like... but he must of had a bit to drink. Anyway... he woke up in the middle of the night, sat up and spewed up all over Sandra! Said you dirty little bastard I said! If Mike had... even... got a bit on me I said I'd have bloody killed him! I said it'd be... divorce, grounds for divorce that, I said I wouldn't have [LAUGHTER] that []!
[Nora:] Urgh!
[Martine:] She had to get up and wash her hair and urgh! The dirty git!... I said I bet you were popular.
[Nora:] Is she working now?
[Martine:] Yeah. I don't know quite what she's doing.
[Nora:] Oh.
[Martine:] Some little county or something like that. Westminster.
[Nora:] Yeah. Oh!
[Martine:] So er, yeah so he rung up
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] said oh he's not here I said, he working. Oh I said I'm coming up... we're just on our way. I said oh I said we're going up to my mums. Oh it was the dancing school. Said it was a fortnight ago... and
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] er, I said if it had been a normal Saturday I said we'd have... cancelled that you know, we'd have met you in Duffley... but er, I said... my mum's supposed to be dancing. So erm... you know, I can't do much about it. Oh never mind, he said you'll have come down here, I said yeah.
[Nora:] Have you been down there yet?
[Martine:] No. Mikes been down before though. Sometimes. Erm... so then... so we sort of finished off having a chat, he said, oh we'll see you when we see you. So I went back into the spare room, I was doing some ironing... which was on the... you know... and the next minute the phone went! Oh bloody hell it's like a mad house here! Anyway, I went to the phone... hello! Hello! Alan? Oh, he said I've done the wrong number! I said who you trying to get, Daisy? He said ooh yes, he said oh, I said God, I said you must just remember that this is the number you've just bloody dialled! No, he said I didn't! Ooh there's one for you, Mandy's pregnant!
[Nora:] Oh is she?
[Martine:] Yeah! I knew she would be. As soon they come back... I reckon it was conceived when they went skiing in... the week. What does Daisy have to say? I haven't seen, we haven't seen them. We've only heard via the grapevine.
[Nora:] Oh!
[Martine:] So er... I reckon she just want a skive from work to be honest! She said bef, you know, she said before... oh yeah, you know, when we've been having a joke she said oh God I could do with a break from work she said, oh yeah! [LAUGHTER]
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Not much of a reason is it, to er
[Nora:] Not really.
[Martine:] Yeah, I reckon you wanna grow these sides down properly now and stop twiddling with them!
[Nora:] It's the sides that are dry.
[Martine:] That's not bad. And erm... when Glenys is back on the scene get her to level it all out for you. So she wanted it really dead level in the front... I reckon you'll need a whole inch off your back here.
[Nora:] Bloody hell!
[Martine:] It's nice and thick though. And you haven't got that twiddly bit any more where your... head used to go. You know, when you get up in the morning.
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah [].
[Martine:] I don't think I'm gonna take any more off... to be honest.
[Nora:] Don't, just cut it straight.
[Martine:] Twiddly bit off there.
[Nora:] And my fringe.
[Martine:] Yeah.... Yeah I mean, like this bit here is very white blonde as well. You know, your hair li, I suppose this has dried as well
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] because you... cos it's been by your face like, the back's still wet. But erm... it's... a different texture like, with the colour as well. So the next time you have it streaked don't tell them to... keep those bits out of it.
[Nora:] Although you can't because you'd have to have the... the top done wouldn't you?
[Martine:] No, when you just have your roots done
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] she doesn't touch these bits with...
[Nora:] No.
[Martine:] does she? Yeah. Cos it's a... lighter colour there.
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] And then it's a lighter colour.... all different colours like a tiger.
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] Which way shall I turn round... for the fringe?
[Martine:] Erm... you're gonna have to
[Nora:] Turn this way.
[Martine:] What you doing with the fringe then, just... that'd be like fringe.
[Nora:] Are you cutting it?
[Martine:] No.
[Nora:] I hope you have!
[Martine:] ! I hardly cut it shape the ends.
[Nora:] You promise you didn't get any edges. [LAUGHTER] I am not []!... It's not straight.
[Martine:] No your fringe is like... erm... dry like the sides isn't it?
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] You've been cutting haven't you?
[Nora:] I have not been cutting it! I'm telling you now, I haven't!
[Martine:] I'm sure you wouldn't dare... as well.
[Nora:] Mm mm mm. Oh do you?
[Martine:] You're alright,yo you only just make.... Do you have your washer on every day?
[Nora:] Yeah. If it's nice, you don't think oh I better do some.
[Martine:] Have you got a mirror here? I'll show it you.
[Nora:] It's in the. It's just on your right there. I'll get the... Have you layered it?
[Martine:] What do you want?
[Nora:] Have you layered it?
[Martine:] No.
[Nora:] It's on
[Martine:] Do you see much of Stevie and Karen?
[Nora:] No. Well we saw them, we were outside the chippy one night and they were going out... they were whatever you call it? Oh we want to go out! We want to go out! Okay then. She's... oh she's put weight on, she looks. I mean she dresses up well..
[Martine:] Mm mm. So he often enough does he?
[Nora:] Yep. Apparently they're looking for a house now. I can't see either of them making a commitment.
[Martine:] Mm.
[Nora:] Anything like that.
[Martine:] How old is he now?
[Nora:] Must be about twenty two.
[Martine:] So he's young?
[Nora:] No, but she's.
[Martine:] Go on the beach?
[Nora:] ?
[Martine:] Really?
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] But though?
[Nora:] . Oh I see, they have been about for a while.
[Martine:] Ay?
[Nora:] Haven't really been over as well.
[Martine:] Yeah but I think they should.
[Nora:] Mm.
[Martine:] Twenty one again isn't he?
[Nora:] [whispering] [].
[Martine:] Your friend talks a lot about them now don't you? Or something like that.
[Nora:] You been exercising?
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Ay []?
[Nora:] Mm! All those! We'll get Sarah as well.
[Martine:] That er... I thought that was quite good that innit?
[Nora:] What?
[Martine:] Go and put some bi bit of mousse on it now.
[Nora:] Okay.
[Martine:] And then you can it for me.
[Nora:] Super!
[Martine:] Are you gonna go up? gonna do and let?
[Nora:] Yeah well we'll sit in there.
[Martine:] If we can work it.
[Nora:] Why what's up with it?
[Martine:] Well it's falling apart innit?
[Nora:] Can't you afford a new one?
[Martine:] Well could of had a new one.
[Nora:] The last two years it's been falling apart so we have to ke kept... kept folding the wheels back on
[Martine:] Ooh sorry!
[Nora:] things like that.
[Martine:] Bloody hell! Is it in here?
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah [].
[Martine:] What do I want now, mousse. Ooh you are good dogs!... You are good dogs!... Have a quick hoover. Hoover the bits of hair. You'll have to move from there my sweetheart. Oh God where's the bloody thing on there? That'll do.... That'll do, dogs!... Good God almighty, there's a thing!... Isn't it? There's a bloody thing!
[Nora:] Cor! You managed to work the old thing.
[Martine:] Yeah! It doesn't... stay up when you
[Nora:] Oh no! It falls down and cracks you on the head and things like that!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... Actually I've moved it a bit too far that way have I?
[Nora:] Oh let me do it. Only wa, still a bit long that way.
[Martine:] Okay?
[Nora:] It's close.
[Martine:] That's bet, better.
[Nora:] Oh sorry Tams!
[Martine:] Oh you'll have to come over here. by the dog.
[Nora:] Push the things out. Got a big wire on it.
[Martine:] Oh is it?
[Nora:] Ooh sorry!
[Martine:] It's a bit professional this isn't it?
[Nora:] No,.
[Martine:] Big shot. Is this a new one?
[Nora:] Yeah, well the other one, bought me one for Christmas it... before Christmas we went and got this. It's got a diffuser as well. Put the diffuser on. I find it dries, it helps a lot that does. Can you put loads of mousse on?
[Martine:] Yeah well
[Nora:] Come on then!
[Martine:] Ooh!
[Nora:] Do you wanna mint?
[Martine:] ... No ta!
[Nora:] Wasn't asking you sweetie peetie Well you're supposed to.... I want it styled, right... that'll knock the socks off my husband when he comes in!
[Martine:] Oh my God! What do you expect!
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]... Why, what's the matter my hair?
[Martine:] Ay, I'm not very good at the old styling lark, I'll say.
[Nora:] Put that there so it doesn't choke him.
[Martine:] Put that there so what?
[Nora:] So I don't... flick my ash everywhere.
[Martine:] Hello!
[Nora:] Better watch out now she's gonna come and get me with this bloody thing!
[Martine:] Ooh ooh ooh!
[Nora:] Erm right.
[Martine:] Oh what have you done to it?
[Nora:] What?
[Martine:] Well it's all over the place now!
[Nora:] Shut up!
[Martine:] Now, how do we do this then? Erm....
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]... Bloody hell fire!
[Martine:] I never use a hair dryer any more. Oh Christ, I'm not [LAUGHTER] very good at this []! [LAUGHTER]... I don't wanna pull you!
[Nora:] I'll tell you when you pull me!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Nora:] Oh well when it hurts anyway!
[Martine:] Oh hang on, I can't do that! I'll have to do it like this. They always kept the... the brush moving and that don't they?
[Nora:] Yeah alright then.
[Martine:] Well I don't. I'll have to [LAUGHTER] do it like this []!
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER] [hair dryer on]
[Martine:] Tell me if it gets too hot on your head.
[Nora:] Right.
[Martine:] Well it probably is.... So have you got to, is that burning or
[Nora:] No, it's alright.
[Martine:] Too hot?
[Nora:] It's in my ear though!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... So do you think [LAUGHTER] []? So you still haven't been to see this house in are you? Your not gonna tempt fate?
[Nora:] No, not yet.... There's a little row that goes down beside it... round the back, I never knew there was.
[Martine:] Don't... ooh! [LAUGHTER]... Er... [LAUGHTER] nearly took off then []! Erm... you go down a bit of a lane and it's gets you on the through road doesn't it?
[Nora:] Yeah, you go up a stream, a river.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] Ooh the dogs will like
[Martine:] A pool.
[Nora:] it down there.
[Martine:] Oh they love it! Are you going?
[Nora:] I never been round there I went up the other. We went to the river in the car.
[Martine:] Is there much water in it?
[Nora:] Well didn't go in my car, went in his!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Nora:] In the.... Ooh you got a floppy ear!... I know! I know! Ohhh!
[Martine:] Well I don't know whether this will like impress Win when he gets in.
[Nora:] Probably go out again!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... No, I must admit your hair is... looking a lot thicker and healthier.... We have lift off!
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] ?
[Nora:] What?
[Martine:] It's alright, is it blowing?... Oh God, I don't know how all the hair, how hairdressers could stick doing... other people's ha, I think your i, your own is so much easier to do... because you ac, you do it your own way.
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] That's it. I'd be too damn anyway, I would!... Hot?
[Nora:] Blowing cold on my back!
[Martine:] Really? Well this should of done.
[Nora:] Oh what?
[Martine:] Oh the....
[Nora:] I'd assume that's nice.
[Martine:] Oh! Oh!
[Nora:] We'll have to go and.
[Martine:] You what?
[Nora:] You know, and I told you about that I'm having my er... done.
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Nora:] Well he's... he's nearly finished it now inside, well he's transformed it no end! It's all fitted cupboards, swirling table... spotlights!
[Martine:] Oh good God, very nice!
[Nora:] So it's about... ooh
[Martine:] That's when we're to help out with?
[Nora:] Yeah, he's got a few big jobs.... Oh Bugsy, go and lay down! She's daft, she's sitting on this!
[Martine:] Mm mm, yeah.... Laddie used to be like that didn't he? You know, when his and
[Nora:] Oh!
[Martine:] nudging you. How are they, your nan and granddad, alright?
[Nora:] Yeah, fine.... [yawn]
[Martine:] Seems ages since I saw them. It was... new year or
[Nora:] Well
[Martine:] Christmas wasn't it? New year.
[Nora:] Whe... when did you see them last, Christmas?
[Martine:] Yeah, I went with you didn't I? I had my Santa's hat on.
[Nora:] Oh that's right.
[Martine:] We came with you, what were we doing?
[Nora:] I dunno! [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] You said you were going to your mums for something
[Nora:] Oh that was right.
[Martine:] and I come with you.
[Nora:] You were coming down the Pheasant pub then were you?
[Martine:] Aye, that's right.... Oh what's she been chewing?
[Nora:] A mint.
[Martine:] Oh I thought it was chewing gum!
[Nora:] Do you want your hair done as well? Don't like the hairdryer though do you?
[Martine:] Laddie hates it! He tries to bite
[Nora:] Don't think she likes it.
[Martine:] Oh!
[Nora:] No, you don't like it. Ooh show me teeth!
[Martine:] She's a big softy isn't she? How old is she now, four?
[Nora:] Er, well no... she'll be four the end of the year.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] []!
[Nora:] Ah! Dale left me. And my dad's... picking me up.
[Martine:] Ay how did you get on that er... oh wait till I've finished this bit.
[Nora:] Stop it! What?
[Martine:] How did you get on that Friday we went to Chester?
[Nora:] Yeah?
[Martine:] And you Winny's things, did he like them?
[Nora:] Oh yeah! He were made up with them!
[Martine:] Was he?
[Nora:] I didn't need them though. But they're nice.
[Martine:] Ooh! Exactly what you said he'd say! And how did you get on on your night out the fo... this Friday night?
[Nora:] Oh it were crap!
[Martine:] Was it? Where do you go? You meeting in the Falcon weren't you?
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Yeah., bloody hell!
[Nora:] It's terrible when they start laughing!
[Martine:] Oh that's pretty! Ooh she's beauty! Ooh a little punky I was laughing at the sheep up at my mums tha over the weekend, they had that many... you know they get branded... well
[Nora:] Yeah.
[Martine:] they had green, they had red and everything
[Nora:] Ah!
[Martine:] they look like punk sheep! Right what do you put a bit on and then... erm... dry it with a hairdryer. Oh this' ll be a good idea! Right, we'll do this. [LAUGHTER] What we're doing []?
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] We're gonna make it stay. So as that you don't, you won't even have to run your brush through it in the morning, how's that?
[Nora:] Oh superb!
[Martine:] Right.
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]... Stop it! Yeah, yeah.
[Martine:] It's!
[Nora:] No don't, don't cos you'll hurt me!
[Martine:] Oh! Ooh that's nice!
[Nora:] Sit down! Tickle your ears!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] []! Has it worked? Oh yes, I've cracked it!
[Nora:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Oh love it!
[Nora:] She's got the hang of it at last Chloe, you're alright now! We're getting there.
[Martine:] We're onto a winner now.
[Nora:] And the next. Oh stop it!
[Martine:] I think I might dye my hair blonde you know.
[Nora:] Peroxide.
[Martine:] Do you think it will suit me?
[Nora:] I don't know. Go on then. Well if you use that streaks at the front... why don't you try a wig on.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Werhh hoo hoo
[Nora:] Good idea that is.
[Martine:] Just you make up for it.
[Will:] Oh! [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] lately, so.
[Will:] Don't have to.
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] How are you?
[Mike:] Don't beat him up! [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Erm... no I don't think I have actually.
[Mike:] Oh.
[Martine:] No so.... You'll have to have a go at them with all these rabbits! [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] I've said no. Oh oh gosh! What you talking about me?
[Will:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER] How did you know []?
[Martine:] I was here.
[Mike:] I was in the army. [LAUGHTER] And ca... []!
[Will:] Go on! He made you
[Mike:] And then he says, then he says, no, we went to... and he's in the gym so
[Will:] Ha!
[Mike:] ... and they left me behind! [LAUGHTER]
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Your worst nightmare's come true []!
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER] And []... what the hell do you think!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... What did they say? And what did Mick say?
[Will:] It's not a little dream. Erm... don't get advice.
[Martine:] It's er... the wedding that causing the problem isn't it? That's the ultimate.
[Will:] [reading] Tony foretells difficulty or a journey followed by a successful issue in your
[Mike:] !
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Will:] But becomes a serious matter.
[speaker001:] No that's. didn't it?
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Just wanted the horse and trap basically []!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] When I woke up I didn't really wanna go!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] Normally like the isn't it? With the
[Martine:] I went
[Mike:] you know, you can have
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mike:] I hate it where that girl is! You know you're not gonna get back to sleep until you've been!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... Don't you just hate it when that happens!
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Don't you just!
[Will:] [yawning] Oh []! Right are we onto and structure, page two of this. Okay.
[Martine:] Yes.
[Will:] Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great! Great!...
[Martine:] That bin's getting on my wick! I saw Peter last night. I said bloody hell don't you dare bring him in! He says, I've been about, he said I see you still sleep in your bed, but you're not putting them bloody pistachios!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] ... we used to... eat loads of them... and er... keep all the shells and then put a few in everybody's bins, so as they're not pissed off!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] Well it's boring just putting them all in the... the same one, innit? Oh God! We're gonna meet Graham today! Bastard! He's... in Manchester today and
[Will:] Is he?
[Mike:] Buy an engagement ring.
[Martine:] He's not!
[Mike:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] We asked him that.
[Mike:] Ah!
[Martine:] Well I'm just. Well you'd laugh if you see my girlfriend!. Have you crossed this outside? Yeah.
[Will:] He won't be wanting to work either.
[Martine:] Oh not,. How do you spell work! Here are, lots of new know about. Thank you. But he's coming back later. Oh! Come on! We want to get those. I know!
[Will:] Oh well, yeah!
[Martine:] No. Definitely! Denise has got one of those as well though ain't she? What? Money! Yeah. Nineteen ninety... two.... I'll do any notices... announcing police officers. [LAUGHTER] You could of said! [singing] You'd better hope and pray... that you wake someday into your own []. Don't like smoking. [LAUGHTER] Mm mm []! Okay! So So what... bit is okay isn't it? No? No. Aha! Missed that. Had read poisoned er... located on the murderers in the area around....... Come on! [reading] The will be O seven hundred, two nineteen hundred hours. Mm mm mm mm, service station, mhm mm. Behalf of the... Welsh Police of Swithra Cymbra Stop swearing! Mm mm mm. Agreed with the Chief Superintendent [reading]? Ah! I don't know whether... that is what he's gonna be called. [reading] The police officers at the service station... which is course of action.... That's still the same, the nineteen seventy four road traffic act [], that hasn't been updated that we know of. Mm mm, mm mm mm,. [yawning] Ooh ooh hoo hoo []! [reading] All located on two lane roads when no bike has []. Correct? Mhm. [reading] It is essential therefore, the true, mm mm mm... into reverse, mhm mm mm... even in time []. Okay! Right.... Morning Billy! Morning! Early bird?
[speaker001:] Early... am I?
[Martine:] Half past nine?
[speaker001:] Not early is it?
[Martine:] It is for you.
[speaker001:] Lunch time... not!
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]... Right, [reading] each service station... will have a supervisor
[speaker001:] Don't get off me trying to be funny. see the officer
[Martine:] aye, what the survey, stroke, site manager.
[speaker001:] ....
[Martine:] I reckon that one should be sur survey... stroke... supervisor it should be. Survey manager, stroke survey. Mm. Because it's the.... Well no, I don't think we need to put stroke supervisor, ah? We're gonna be the survey manager and not Well that's gonna be su... they maybe. Survey Survey manager. And survey manager is above supervisor so in a way then ... Okay. You know, it's not worth erm... so the last paragraph that you find is... twenty nine.... We could just put manager couldn't we? Or advisor, manager couldn't we?
[speaker001:] Er well I just want to... you did say you can quote Erm no problem, anyone that. made... u... well up to a under twenty drivers. Yeah, okay mate. Yep. Erm...... and it's Mark John. Er...? Er two years.
[Martine:] Service
[speaker001:] Yes.
[Martine:] catered and designed
[speaker001:] Jason William.
[Martine:] How old is he?
[speaker001:] Er, seventeen. ? No. These are stunt school.
[Martine:] How about that. [reading] The survey manager... has located and designed the survey stations in the Chief Superintendent or whether he's had them built.... [] That covers it dunnit?... Oh... erm... I was gonna say is it necessary to put and will be... at the survey site... at all times to ensure a smooth operation. Well it's Gotta say it up there doesn't it? it's gotta go up there so Yeah. I don't think you need it in. And that's it for that innit? There should be some more there. Hello! Yeah. I'm. ... that's a special one! Ooh why thank you!
[speaker001:] . How did you come across that? Been in my filing tray for about two years! Oh! . Oh, okay. I thought we were, I can't find it. Erm Oh alright. Oh, yeah that's what I thought. These the files? Yep. That one.
[Martine:] No, that's the fax machine Yes, fuck off!
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Yes.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] He doesn't think! Well you know tha... were you on our division? Mhm. So who's responsible for ordering downstairs. . Who? Gail is. Oh is that right?
[Martine:] It's up on the poster here as well.
[speaker001:] It isn't Tracey then? No. No. Tracey don't do it.
[Martine:] It's Chris... and then. Just writing something.
[speaker001:] Ah, drop all your things if we're gonna start the fully, are we never, are we only gonna have a supply? Oh good cos you've got them.
[Martine:] Around A Audbury
[speaker001:] Because we're loony Tracy will do all Okay? the files and what er
[Martine:] And others I could mention!
[speaker001:] You shouldn't, shouldn't to be asked! You should both have everything there
[Martine:] Right so that's
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Yeah. Well then Erm The local Yeah. bus company and emergency services have been informed of the survey as well as local members of parliament.
[Will:] The best one to talk to and get something done is erm
[Martine:] And then we need members
[Merielle:] Erm.
[Martine:] of parliament.
[Will:] .
[Martine:] All local bus company
[speaker001:] Erm
[Martine:] No.
[speaker001:] Ah, I didn't realise that made fo Right, so... his actual But a is because it's been used though. That'll be Aha. I mean that doesn't include any... assessor of payment No.
[Martine:] Mine's just reading the emergency services have been informed of the surveys.
[Will:] Yeah.
[Martine:] Erm...
[speaker001:] Right, so what's the point of that? Well, I'll have to... er, send you a copy of... my er... invitation to renew from the So I need the? Yes. Yeah, okay. Well my accounts er
[Martine:] Mike, shall I put... stroke in there?
[Will:] Yeah, and you'll have to erm
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] And I put erm... I just, areas.
[Will:] On there, yeah.... I don't know why it's called.
[Martine:] Survey managers, right. We can always change it, managers... whenever.... What I'll do... is er...... those out and actually have them as a... you know, usually they... they don't have that fly sheet on, that's No. an inquisities for the report. What I think it, what makes it good... erm, is that... so we could er... lift the paper out and
[speaker001:] Yeah, once again so dingy grey means... [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] No, I'll that, we'll just type it in again. But I'll take the originals cos it's on there before. Aha. So we'll copy that, or we'll have to change it to survey manager, this one anyway. And I think when it says notes for... supervisor, we can just put manager down there. And Manager , and, yeah.
[speaker001:] Quite isn't it? Yes. E Any driver over twenty five... plus the two name... yes. Couldn't you manage to get? Well you see that's Erm [LAUGHTER]... It's er... and it's er What's your wife's name? Er no, Okay. the car, it's thirteen ninety five eleven. Okay. You mean a? Yeah. ... er he doesn't think he's.
[Martine:] What have you got? Ay? I crossed it out because I.... And it doesn't.... I thought that was okay, what you'd done? I crossed it out because I thought it was gonna say... cos I thought it said, [reading] survey managers are instructed to work... at all times [] equal to supervisor so I crossed that out and then I realised that it said intervene. Erm... well no, no. Oh! Thought it would.
[speaker001:] Yes. We'll have a few reports to do next week. [LAUGHTER] Yeah.... Yeah..... Thank you, bye bye!... dunno what's going on after those files! Dunno what. got all the flash gear and the policemen were... fined two hundred pound Well and as long as I reply they can't do anything. they in a No. round about four hundred Yeah well there's so I stayed where I was. This year... their policy's has... and Direct Line have sent me a quote for two hundred.
[Martine:] That's er... [singing] Di diddle di dee dee dee dee der [] isn't it?
[speaker001:] Er
[Martine:] Direct Line
[speaker001:] that was, that was.
[Martine:] Oh. Which one was that? You know, with the little car jumping up? Something Direct.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Martine:] I thought it was called that. It's not Direct Line it's something Direct.
[speaker001:] Yeah but First Direct
[Martine:] That's it.
[speaker001:] Them.
[Martine:] Is it? Yeah.
[speaker001:] I don't know. I don't... make a habit of admitting to it.
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] Why ever not? [phone rings]
[speaker001:] Hello! No, I'm not worried I'm got something. Yeah.... Yeah.
[Mike:] How long have you known him?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[Mike:] He sent me er... to renew his
[Martine:] [LAUGHTER] What?
[Mike:] and some
[Martine:] So what do you do? I'll take the
[speaker001:] Pleasure.
[Martine:] Er er er!
[speaker001:] Okay that's fine. Then we'll have a. Okay.
[Martine:] [whispering] [] G
[speaker001:] Okay, yeah great! Yeah, I'll just ask him, and that is er what, all the red ones have to be used for now?
[Martine:] Ah?
[speaker001:] Or do we send them to Mike?
[Martine:] I've done this before.
[speaker001:] Oh we don't?
[Martine:] Have you? Oh! [LAUGHTER]
[speaker001:] Right, okay then. I'll put them back onto your phone.
[Martine:] Bloody hell!
[speaker001:] Ay!
[Martine:] What a!
[speaker001:] Right, thanks mate! He's gonna sell me out and tell you all the Kirby ones.
[Martine:] [whispering] []. Pardon?
[speaker001:] . Yeah, number forty seven.
[Mike:] Aye! Aye!
[speaker001:] To the
[Mike:] Try and avoid him.
[speaker001:] Yeah,. Are you alright? No,. Mhm.
[Martine:] Probably went down too much. Down?
[speaker001:] Down.
[Mike:] about eighty.
[speaker001:] There's one er,
[Mike:] I think she's right.
[speaker001:] We'll now try... Oh yeah.
[Mike:] No difficulty.
[speaker001:] Go back and let me... but, yeah, I mean that's the idea.
[Mike:] The idea is that's the one tha that's... generally.
[speaker001:] Well... yes it's....
[Mike:] That
[speaker001:] they like to mend it. It's not there
[Martine:] Don't want. No, you're alright.
[speaker001:] I don't see that any more.
[Martine:] Then erm
[speaker001:] [sigh] Ah!
[Martine:] That's better.... We should draw a.... Mm.
[Mike:] Oh, that, that's just er... that was er quite reasonable
[Martine:] Yeah.
[Mike:] really.
[speaker001:] Yeah, oh yeah!
[Martine:] Cos they ain't gonna get none! I mean, it's a bit easier with, cos everyone's done it before and you all know what you're doing. Mm.... Have to be a like a hawk on mine! Mm!... Yes,.
[speaker001:] Well no... it's erm... the same as and the stuff. It's... er,. What's his first name?
[Mike:] .
[speaker001:] And is he Liverpool?
[Mike:] Is he?
[speaker001:] Chester?
[Mike:] Do it yourself!
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] This ain't mine []!
[Mike:] I know you!
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martine:] [singing] bee um bum bum [].... You look tired Tine
[speaker001:] ... erm... put it on there..
[Mike:] Well... jus... haven't you got enough to be getting?
[speaker001:] Well, so that's erm... [phone rings]
[Martine:] [phonecall starts], hello! Hi! Sorry?
[speaker001:] [whistling]
[Martine:] Yeah. Monday? Give us a clue Billy? Oh! No I didn't.... Oh well done! Well done! What you getting? Brand new?... Well? Mhm. Mhm. Well congratulations!... Er... I can't say. [LAUGHTER]... No! Are you coming back? Erm, yes and no. No, er... it's not closed... it's left open.... Well I think everyone's finished anyway. Is it? Ha! Is it? Mhm. So have you got a nice to go with this promotion? Mhm.... Oh God! Alright. Mm. Where's your two front teeth? [LAUGHTER]... Sorry! [LAUGHTER]... Mhm, course it does. Are they going to... increase your wage a after the recession? You got a clause saying that? Well you wanna get it in writing!... Well I would... try and get... something to that effect in writing.... Yeah!... Yeah.... Where are the other? You shouldn't have given it! Mhm. Yeah.... Mhm. Mhm. You are kidding!... Mhm.... Mhm. Mhm.... Why? What have you done? Ah, I see! No.... Why? [LAUGHTER]... mm, possibly now.... You sound different.... To rest. No news of him at all?... Aha. Get out!
[Mike:] It's last years. I just.
[Martine:] That's alright. Just don't have an accident! [LAUGHTER] Right, that's a good job done there!
[Mike:] Does that mean I gotta phone... Judge... cap in hand?
[Martine:] Well it could be.
[Mike:] I'll... see him
[Martine:] Wait until I've seen if Will's got his.
[Mike:] Well I'll see if I can the te telly I must have a.
[Martine:] Well if Will hasn't got his it means they haven't been issued.
[Mike:] I think they were, were. I'll see er... I'll see to.
[Martine:] [yawn]... Have you sent a letter of confirmation to Mr? No. That's on the list here.
[Mike:] [on the phone] Good morning! Can I speak to please?
[Martine:] I'll ring him today and tell him. Mhm. And er... he can wait if you haven't done
[Mike:] Hello, is that Tammy?
[Martine:] no
[Mike:] Hi!, hi, it's Rob from the Moore office. Erm... I'm of er... I'm been asked your
[Martine:] Does he have to give him a quote before you
[Mike:] insurance... er
[Martine:] ay?
[Mike:] certificate.
[Martine:] Does he have to give you a quote? No, cos we know his
[Mike:] The R A C book
[Martine:] Yes.
[Mike:] of. What about the er
[Martine:] Not got a as well.
[Mike:] certificate and it's last year.
[Martine:] We'll know more about er, to it.
[Mike:] Yeah, I'm sure... I'm I've
[Martine:] Okay. I've gotta try and do my figures.
[Mike:] I think, I'm fairly sure you've er... sent me one previously. Yeah, if you could send me I'd appreciate it.
[Martine:] Oh no!
[Mike:] Okay? Lovely, thanks a Tammy, yeah, and you. bye bye! [phonecall ends] Tell Jan there's one on the way.
[Martine:] Okay. Right.
[Mike:] See if there's a letter on the file.
[Martine:] Mhm.
[Mike:] And... if there is... read through it and see the... you know,li and then Peter will....
[Martine:] Okay. Actually... I mean... my mammy's not very good. I can imagine them doing it now for all it's worth. The, did they have a piece and you cut off the bottom? No. No, they had to have it with them at... on the
[Mike:] That were just the temporary passes for the motorway... that we had to return to department. Er,.
[Martine:] Yeah. Right, well I'm sure Yeah. they put four two nine. Forty two pound twenty nine.
[Mike:] Well when they put... they put sixty five staff before the surveys?
[Martine:] That's still four two nine six that innit? And it's still four two nine six.
[Mike:] Well I dunno. Four two nine six.
[Martine:] But the report's called six three five. . I've gotta do the books for those files on Sunday so I'll, I've had to leave
[Mike:] No.
[Martine:] it till then.
[Mike:] Yeah, smashing!
[Martine:] That'd make more sense wouldn't it? Cos I'm going through the document, er
[Mike:] Er
[Martine:] documents issues. Down what?
[Mike:] Documents... erm, from... first of January this year.
[Martine:] So, required.
[Mike:] I'll put that on this... slip of paper.
[Martine:] Oh! Okay then.
[Mike:] And... there oh! I want to see... it's bloody silly! So these agree? I think we should have somebody in here you see.
[Martine:] Mhm.
[Mike:] Erm... so, put on here since January....
[Martine:] Okay.
[Mike:] So that re, will just be a couple of reports and... something
[Martine:] Right. You going home now?
[Mike:] Alright?
[Martine:] Yep.
[Mike:] So that that's of erm... as big a task as we'd really like to.
[Martine:] Yeah. This one.... [speaking to answerphone] Hi Bob! I need to know as soon as possible now whether we can do these surveys or not so I can fill the policies in. So as soon as you can let us know, I'd be grateful. [put down phone] I hate that! I'll phone you Thursday night... all night,. Who Bob? He's going to... Yeah. Mm. It's three quarters of an hour when I was at mum's. Yeah, it's annoying when they say they're gonna ring isn't it? I mean, er, I've got this Jean hanging on. Mm. She'll be there won't she? She's dangling! [LAUGHTER] dangling, ay? [singing] I just can't go ho oh oh... mm mm mm, mm mm mm mm... mm mm mm mm mm mm mm mm, mm mm mm mm [].... [sneeze] Bless you! Oh!... Actually Jim... erm
[speaker001:] Mm.
[Martine:] we've got a feller... that we use for, he's seventy odd!... George. George. Why? Well this feller that rung me was sixty three.
[Mike:] Ah, these agencies use them to.
[Martine:] So! No, we wo, we were just saying like that... it's a shame because like maybe some of them... have been made redundant or Oh I see! Yeah. Yeah. and Bev was saying do you get... more men than women? And I said, well it used to be Normally. But it's all women! More women. Well, yeah it was. But now more and more maybe cos they're taking early retirement or getting made redundant... I mean it's the fellers isn't it? Yes.... So that's not going? Get them... go and look at You what Jan? You know when we're going to look at the four forty five... I may as well get... book four two... nine six seven. Or, perhaps we could just think of something between us. Oh yeah, I don't see why not.... I'm sure we could er... put our heads together and come up with something. Mm, heaven!... [sigh] Ah! Now this Miss. What's Mr like to get hold of these days, during the day? Er... afternoon's dodgy Morning's alright. Cheers. Have you got an address close to it? Yep. Oh I've knocked it off. Some... something better than erm... the Daniel one. Did you hear about that? Permanent No. letters. Have you got... you want a. Yeah. I, I've got these letters out of here... to be honest.... It's almost on one. Mhm. And er... get her the confirmation one she wants. And erm... yeah... that's it.... Put all that on for the attention of Mr Ray I had a phone call from so she said to me come down to the admin, so I went down... and she'd opened the letter and give it back to us. The post. What a stupid So I took it home and stuck it under the door. And have we done anything? No. Well it had department... erm... Frank And Chris the tomboy! that address... and for the attention of Mr Ray... And it arrived back to us! Oh this chair.... Can I copy... from? No you bloody can't copy! [LAUGHTER] God you're so cheeky, you! I'm not gonna have them going to... Ormskirk Mm. Mm!... What a cheeky, young, person! You copy the ones from to these didn't you? I did not! Those are, pull out of my own head those are! No!... Did actually. Eighty? Yeah.... [singing] Mm mm mm, mm mm mm mm []. Don't keep them all in my feet! I do.... Wilf is going to be, Sergeant. Mm. [LAUGHTER]... You just wanted write his name didn't you? Well I suppose so really. But if you know them... why should you put Dear sir? Well... it's... true.... I see what you mean. Does seem a bit silly doesn't it? [whispering] Here, that's innit []? Just, I don't believe my luck!.... What? Oh! Put your phone down.... [speaking on phone] Sorry mum, I thought you... [LAUGHTER] you was out still. Oh! You all set then? Dad pack all his gear did he? Mhm.... Mhm. Good stuff! And here. Yeah. Quite an expanse of blue sky.... Well....... Yeah.... Oh yeah!... Mhm. Can't be bad! They rain all the time.... Mhm.... Mhm. Yeah.... Mhm.... Been a busy little bee. Mhm.... And you mum... I've got... yeah, will do...... erm... I've forgotten what I was gonna say now. Oh Pat phoned, she does want Jenny to... baby-sit.... Okay. Okay. m