[Margaret:] they're both, press it hard... right that's going. Press the one, the black one behind there to switch it off.
[Raymond:] So we're on now are we?
[speaker004:] Come on beauty [kiss]...
[Margaret:] Have you made any tea?
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] Oh dear, oh dear oh dear. Oh you... hello little doggy.......
[Raymond:] [noise of dog biscuits being tipped out]...... Try cooking this ham, do you think they might like it then?
[Margaret:] Sorry?
[Raymond:] The ham. The dogs. Try cooking it.
[Margaret:] Oh. Well wouldn't be able tempt them into er
[Raymond:] ...
[Margaret:] I mean really they should...... they don't mind...
[Raymond:] Well that's the availability of the things isn't it?... I think you might have to er... take him down the road afterwards... when it clears up.
[Margaret:] Oh you're not going to take them with you?
[Raymond:] Well... See how it goes It's going off a bit now isn't it? Oh no....
[Margaret:] Erm... you do realize this ham is already cooked don't you?
[Raymond:] No. No.... Thought it might, they won't eat it like that, that's...
[Margaret:] Have they not eaten anything at all?
[Raymond:] I haven't given them anything yet.
[Margaret:] Oh....... pliers and the screwdriver out take them with you...
[Raymond:] No, for that job I was doing last night.... The ca
[Margaret:] Oh yes on the er
[Raymond:] the castors
[Margaret:] castors. into the garage...
[Raymond:] Yes
[Margaret:] Have you gotta be there early this morning?
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] Oh....
[Raymond:] But I want to get there for nine.... I said to John yesterday I said I... I've done the er... chair. I said I wanna get on with these, those dining chairs next... in the sale.
[Margaret:] When's the sale? Summer time isn't it? About June?
[Raymond:] Erm May... some time in May....
[Margaret:] Well where are you going to get the fabric for those? Trip to...
[Raymond:] Yes Margaret, what do you think?...
[Margaret:] brilliant ideas...
[Raymond:] And see they were asking me what I was gonna use yesterday and I said oh I don't know I said, I haven't got a clue.... something about er... tapestry. I said oh you're
[Margaret:] No
[Raymond:] spending a lot of money and er
[Margaret:] Don't forget
[Raymond:] I said it's not for us anyway so
[Margaret:] it's going to take a lot of fabric... both sides and the back. Full length of the back of the chairs... across the seat
[Raymond:] Exactly.
[Margaret:] probably be... yards of material that, and you've got six chairs so... And you'd have to buy it off the roll, you're not going to get a piece... a length at six yards are you?... You know
[Raymond:] Where's your cup?
[Margaret:] That's mine there, I've got mine out.
[Raymond:] Oh... In the bathroom....
[Margaret:] Sun's trying to come out....
[Raymond:] Well I'll be able to take them down in a minute....
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] []...
[Raymond:] We'll have to take this thing to Ken's....
[Margaret:] Mm... mm... Ah look batteries.... I'm sure it's in Pauline's garden because I've seen a few times.... E T... mm watching that
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Margaret:] Don't you dare.... They look like pink flowers on there don't they? Must be the leaves I think... because I don't think it flowers this... shrub here.
[Raymond:] It's the leaves.
[Margaret:] Mm.... That dogwood I moved... I'm hoping it's gonna be alright cos... it doesn't s show much sign of life at the moment.... Oh I put it down the other end.
[Raymond:] Oh.... I wonder did Ann stop smoking yesterday?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Mm.
[Raymond:] Likes her fags doesn't she?...
[Margaret:] Well... think, didn't she give up last year? she said something about it last year on radio, on... no smoking day....
[Raymond:] Alright muff?...
[Margaret:] Must be torture for some people....
[Raymond:] Terrible....
[Margaret:] Wonder how many cigars Ken's consuming every day now?...
[Raymond:] Well I think it's only about four.
[Margaret:] It's a lot though isn't it? Should be about four a week... four a day...... Mm...
[Raymond:] Oh god, there's snow.
[Margaret:] Mm... well we haven't seen any this year have we really?...
[Raymond:] Too late now....
[Margaret:] Yeah too late to be serious... [LAUGHTER] I was wrapped up to the eyes when I went u... down to... put my walking boots on as well because they're comfortable... and there were people going going round in their shellsuits and... you know [LAUGHTER] I must be feeling the cold more now [].... I don't think I'd have been warm enough in a shellsuit....
[Raymond:] ... Now what about eating up your meat? Come on.... Ooh that's better.... Do you wanna go for walkies?... Mm?... Do you wanna go for walkies?... You do?... Walkies... okay.
[Margaret:] Now it's on, the light comes on doesn't it when it's on? Ooh!... So I've left that form there for you to erm...
[Raymond:] Oh right-oh.
[Margaret:] Oh do, do you want these bin bags?
[Raymond:] Yes, gonna take those to get us some water.
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] While it's going, what?
[Margaret:] ...
[Raymond:] this morning really but... what can you do? [sigh]...
[Margaret:] Isn't there any at all?
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] Oh. How is it?
[Raymond:] It's not bad, it's she can get on for an hour...
[Margaret:] I mean they are at the moment and if I have a meeting well after about an hour it seems as though you've...
[Raymond:] [sneeze] [noseblow]
[Margaret:] working
[Raymond:] Oh dear god... [sigh]... Those chrysanthemums done well....
[Margaret:] They have, yes... they're er... they're good value those a pot, I mean but... they're reasonably... when did you get it? It must be about three weeks ago.
[Raymond:] Can't think what it was for now.
[Margaret:] I think it was one of those impromptu ones.... I know [LAUGHTER] it wasn't my birthday you just came in with it didn't you []?
[Raymond:] It's birthday.... I mean the only trouble is they're no use afterwards are they?
[Margaret:] Must have had a brainstorm...
[Raymond:] I said they're no use afterwards are they?...
[Margaret:] I don't... I don't know.
[Raymond:] Because they're forced I reckon.
[Margaret:] Oh. I think they'll grow if you put them in the garden... eventually.
[Raymond:] Well... Well I mean they won't flower again, that's for certain you see and it's it's gotta be
[Margaret:] No, well not this year anyway, they... they could
[Raymond:] Oh right.
[Margaret:] Have you got, oh ta look... take this as well.
[Raymond:] Yes I'm taking it.
[Margaret:] Oh....... I'm going to have a go at this... today. They've dried out a bit, been too tacky to do anything with.
[Raymond:] Bye bye chaps, don't let them out.
[Margaret:] No... see you then....
[Raymond:] Did they try and drag you up the farm yesterday?
[Margaret:] Well he's, he actually was off the lead and he went straight through right to the other gate
[Raymond:] Oh and you kept them off the road did you? You didn't just er
[Margaret:] Oh yes well the gate was open so
[Raymond:] and I always do
[Margaret:] so she went into the second field I'm not going
[Raymond:] No it's a quag
[Margaret:] carried on for a while realized in the end he had to come back
[Raymond:] It's in a bad state... [cough]... [cough]... hang on...
[Margaret:] Bye, see you later.... Switch that on while you're
[Raymond:] Morning Shirley.... That's twice this week
[Shirley:] Five to nine
[Raymond:] Whatever's happening?
[Shirley:] ...
[Raymond:] I'm going... going back the other way.
[Shirley:] I don't know
[Raymond:] I mean ten o'clock yeah that's normal for you.
[Shirley:] [LAUGHTER] It's not, half nine is my
[Raymond:] No I know you....... Alright Terry, how you doing lad?... [singing] Oh... looking at his mummy with eyes a shiny blue []... That bloody car of mine, hear the trouble I had?... I was late yesterday wasn't I? Yes
[Brian:] the carburettor?
[Raymond:] No, no I... it's the M O T you see
[Brian:] Oh
[Raymond:] next, next week so... the other front pads are worn
[Brian:] Yeah
[Raymond:] discs like... got four pads and I thought oh an hour... put those on isn't it? Not much of a job... when it came to put them on like the erm... you know the pipe that pushes them out?
[Brian:] Yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] You've gotta push them back haven't you? And you've usually got
[Brian:] yeah that's right
[Raymond:] too much fluid in
[Brian:] yeah
[Raymond:] Well it says in the book, push them back with [LAUGHTER] a stick [].
[Brian:] With a what?
[Raymond:] With a stick and a piece of
[Brian:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Well if it's frozen there's no way... so er I rang up Mobil you see in and the fellow said oh if it's been on for s you know... few years he said, take your calliper off, put it in the vice and just lever it back... that's what we do
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Goes to get the flexible hose off... that was ruddy frozen, you the, the union?
[Brian:] Yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] Rang him up again he said oh aye well we usually change those he said, the weather gets on them. Said they're not like the old ones that go like... as though they're welded
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] and you're turning the whole pipe. He said the only, the other thing you can do is... loosen it off... take the calliper b and turn the calliper round.
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] It's like turning the car round to take off a bloody... bolt, you know? Oh I thought I'll do that to save another hose. Anyway did that... course he said you'll have to bleed it out
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Did the first one... right... this was on er... Wednesday... afternoon you see?... So came to do the other side, went to the same routine... the nipple snapped off.... So any rate I rang this fellow... I said eh he said... oh he said you've got no chance mate, he said. He said you can drill it out but he said you... oh aye your... the thread gets damaged... and the seating
[Brian:] That's right, yeah.
[Raymond:] and he said if you get one leak on that your brakes
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] you're shot.... So a new calliper... how much do you think for a new calliper?
[Brian:] No idea.
[Raymond:] Seventy pound plus VAT from Volvo's.
[Brian:] Bloody hell!
[Raymond:] So I thought there's no way, so I rang round the scrapyards.
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] There's one at Greenville he said oh twenty five pound plus VAT.... That's what I did, yesterday morning went with my mate... came back, stuck it on... so it's cost me... the, the pads were seventeen... twenty, thirty pound for the what's a name and... fifty quid near enough just to do the front brakes.
[Brian:] Bloody hell....
[Raymond:] And that's before the M O T.
[Brian:] Yeah... yeah.
[Raymond:] The other week it cost me fifty quid to go to the, to get it tuned you know?... Cars, honest to god.... You want some money today don't you, just to ruddy... eh?
[Brian:] They work out twenty five pounds an hour... in garages.
[Raymond:] Oh, oh well... well you don't go there do you, unless you've got... bloody hell. Well our M O T guy, fair do... you know and he'll say... so and so wants doing, can you take it away and do it?
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] And he doesn't charge.
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] These other ones, as soon as you leave... do it yourself... that's another twenty quid for a re-test
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh aye. You do it there they only charge... fifteen is it or something if they do it. But I mean you know as you just said then they'd wanna charge you per hour it's
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] beyond the working man.... Now Shirley, you're still messing about with this little job here.
[Shirley:] Well I wanted the sander.
[Raymond:] We're just coming in a minute....
[Shirley:] isn't it?
[Raymond:] Yes I like this business of putting your what's a name on this d with this... you know, the glue on.
[Shirley:] Well it was so... flaky, the wood
[Raymond:] Yeah. And that sort of seals
[Shirley:] But
[Raymond:] it in doesn't it?
[Shirley:] Well it seals it but it also helps to erm... give you some purchase you see for
[Raymond:] Yes that's right, when you put the next lot in.
[Shirley:] the patch, yeah but if you had just glued that then...
[Raymond:] Alright Bri, how's it going mate?
[Brian:] Oh just work innit?
[Eric:] The gentleman there's going out with me round about quarter past eleven... do you wanna come with us and call in to that place?...
[Raymond:] Where oh... where you going?
[Eric:] See about the wood...
[Raymond:] Oh yeah alright then, yes
[Eric:] See if you can get any wood
[Raymond:] alright, yeah just see what he says.
[Eric:] Did you bring a sample in?
[Raymond:] No, I never thought.
[Eric:] No
[Raymond:] But I can ask him and I'll
[Eric:] Well
[Raymond:] tell him... er you know, he knows... yeah
[Eric:] er
[Raymond:] See it all hinges on if he's got a bandsaw, if he... if he hasn't got a bandsaw, wasting our ruddy time.
[Eric:] He's going out the port about quarter past eleven.
[Raymond:] Yeah it won't take long will it?... Because I've got myriads of things to do. Never mind. Oh you're on about her, oh go oh aye, oh well. Don't start that again, you know what I mean? Well she
[speaker004:] I'm gonna get that lad some. Now if you want some more there
[Raymond:] You mean Tony is it or...?
[speaker004:] Is it Tony?
[Raymond:] The young fellow who... or erm
[speaker004:] Tony
[Raymond:] Tony
[speaker004:] Tony
[Raymond:] Oh... Yeah. We'll see what he says anyway.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] See what the guy.... Yeah no trouble mate, yeah just sing out when you're ready boy....
[speaker004:] Victorian dressing table...
[Raymond:] Oh... oh that's nice. I... I did glance over yesterday er
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] but er...
[speaker004:] fair job I'm doing.
[Raymond:] Oh that's nice that. Where's the rest of it?
[speaker004:] It's near the table, moved it.... Paula was
[Raymond:] Paula's here?
[speaker004:] instead of driving screws through the top. Yeah. Screws just at the front underneath here... This was in a bad state cos er this was... this was up like er... like that. Yeah.... This... and this end had caved, being unsupported. So it worth a few bob.
[Raymond:] Oh aye yes it's nice. I like the legs.... What does Brian think of the legs, any good?
[Brian:] hand made nails
[Raymond:] Oh yeah.
[Brian:] there yeah.
[Raymond:] Yeah the old cast iron nails, they're good aren't they?
[Brian:] black nails
[Raymond:] Yeah.... Yes I like that.... Yeah you can use them again. I'd just drill a hole me and knock them in, you know?
[Brian:] As I say I
[Raymond:] Smart innit?... Yes I like that er...
[Brian:] Rather than waste all of the oak in the old days here have, have faced it
[Raymond:] Oh yeah yeah he's put like a fillet on the front yeah yeah
[Brian:] all the way round
[Raymond:] yeah
[Brian:] you see?... Of oak.
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Brian:] Rather than use solid oak.
[Raymond:] Do a lovely smart job on that don't we? Gluing it on, eh?... messing like that today.
[Brian:] Pooof!
[Raymond:] But er... yes that would go anywhere that wouldn't it?
[Shirley:] he gave me a before he went on holiday and he hasn't come back. [LAUGHTER] []
[Raymond:] Shirley gone up now. Anyway... I must box on chaps.... Must get something done Bri.... [singing] Moonlight becomes you it goes with your hair... and it it's so romantic to know moonlight becomes you so []
[Chris:] Morning
[Raymond:] Morning Chris how are you love?
[Chris:] I'm alright thanks, how are you?
[Raymond:] Very good.... Morning John, how you doing lad?
[John:] Morning. Alright.
[Raymond:] You've got it cracked have you?... [singing] You're all dressed up to go dreaming... don't tell me I'm wrong []... I'm sure I've seen that material before somewhere you know. Don't I'm sure I've seen that material somewhere before.... Morning Jo Morning Jo... Morning Margaret... Morning Paula... Oh she's not speaking to me this morning Paula.... I've upset her. I know what it is Paula, I haven't borrowed anything yet....
[Paula:] Hello love.
[Raymond:] How are you love?
[Paula:] Alright thanks. How are you?
[Raymond:] Sweating. I'm sweating, no I'm
[Paula:] What do you think of that?
[Raymond:] Ooh aye! Hey, that might do for my chairs do you think? Would that, that style... my dining chairs, what do you think?...
[Paula:] It's just quilting, that's all it is.
[Raymond:] Oh it's qu oh no it's for er... it's more like curtains is it?
[Paula:] No.
[Raymond:] Oh.
[Paula:] It's going on me chair. It's going on the box.
[Raymond:] Oh I see yeah so I suppose it's
[Paula:] box
[Raymond:] gotta be heavy stuff I see yeah, er yeah oh that's a good id
[Paula:] She said it was a remnant and I thought I'd make a box for the sale. But do you like the colour?
[Raymond:] Yes, it's gorgeous that isn't it eh?
[Paula:] Oh thank christ for that. [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] No it's not gaudy, it's er...
[Paula:] Well it was, it was so cheap
[Raymond:] Well yeah this is it you see, yeah
[Paula:] it was only a couple of pound a yard.
[Raymond:] That's what I'll have to get for these chairs
[Paula:] a remnant.
[Raymond:] I've got six chairs to do, where from, Abercanny
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh I'll see if I can get some of that.
[Paula:] You see you're... you, you're better to go to Moston because you're halfway, you're there aren't you, living in Queensferry?
[Raymond:] Yes yeah.
[Paula:] You know, go to, go to Moston, it's much quicker
[Raymond:] Yeah oh yeah, yeah. But you can't get
[Paula:] Just go up on the A fifty five
[Raymond:] Quite often the remnants aren't very good you know Paula.
[Paula:] Oh they are... got miles
[Raymond:] I know but a lot of it's rubbish isn't it? It's not all good stuff like this.
[Paula:] What, do you think that's rubbish then?
[Raymond:] Who John? You pointed to him then. [LAUGHTER]
[Paula:] had a bloody row this morning already
[Raymond:] Oh
[Paula:] Well I, I wanted just a small box like what you made. Wasn't satisfied with it, he goes and makes a big one as well but I don't want a big one, I don't wanna do a big one... for the sale I just wanna do a small one.
[Raymond:] Ah well he's always wanted a big one. Yes
[Paula:] And er [LAUGHTER]... and a stool with a seat to match, that's all I wanted.
[Raymond:] Mm. That's typical
[Paula:] never satisfied with what I do.
[Raymond:] typical of him.
[Paula:] Oh
[Raymond:] Eh? What a mistake you made. Right what are we doing John?... Chairs we're doing today.... There's six of those to do, now then.... Yeah... put them in the sale, you know... I'm gonna put them in the sale... see if we can get a few bob... right, pattern first I should imagine.... many people coming to the sales.
[John:] I won't let you
[Raymond:] I've only put, I've put stuff in.
[John:] Yeah. You know but
[Raymond:] I er never actually
[John:] I, I... I made about sixty quid last year, you know?
[Raymond:] Oh yes I believe... it gets er quite a lot, it's er... well yesterday there weren't many for that open day.... But for the sale er... it's well advertised you know and er there's a lot of people seem to know about it, you know connected with the college mainly I suppose, they get their mates to come... ooh there's good stuff... and there is some good stuff, you know?
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] So it's er it seems to do pretty well.... I'll er I'll try to get a few things, make a few bob you know, to...
[John:] don't mind me asking, what would you expect to...?
[Raymond:] Don't know yet. Well I'm hoping a hundred plus you know?
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Well christ you've gotta be, I've paid that to be honest
[John:] Yeah
[Raymond:] I've paid seventy for the bloody things.
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Erm... I dunno...
[John:] Oh they're nice chairs
[Raymond:] hundred and thirty maybe I'm not, I'm not quite sure to be honest er... not quite sure old mate.... Yeah I'll see what they say, you know, erm I'll... John, he had a set of erm... high backed... reproduction erm... what do they call them now? Regency... nineteen twenties, in the twenties
[John:] Yeah
[Raymond:] out of mahogany. They are nice though, they've got the Queen Anne legs and the high back you know?
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] He got about er two hundred for those last year, set of six.... You know he just bought them from... sale or whatever it was, sixty, seventy quid... bit of polish. They were not mistaken. Did, he did well. Some of them have a lot of stuff, you know I don't seem to ever get hold of the stuff me, to... tables and that little Eric in there he seems to get loads of stuff
[John:] Yeah I can't
[Raymond:] he's got a lovely table there hasn't he? it's a nice one.
[John:] He's got a lot of connections Eric, you know and
[Raymond:] I have very few I'm afraid.
[John:] There you go....
[Raymond:] Thank you....
[Gwyneth:] and I think that's why we've got such a good dentist.
[Raymond:] Mm
[Gwyneth:] and he erm... he was very upset about it. Then he... by that time this expensive and that's the one that's. So he said... start again.
[Raymond:] You're still paying out that's the trouble, all the time.
[Gwyneth:] Well that's it. But on the other hand, what can you do about it? You can't
[Raymond:] No, no it's oh no you can't go round gummy.
[Gwyneth:] We're going to, we've, we've got this going down to for three weeks, you know next weekend... or the weekend afterwards, and we don't keep getting appointments, see I'm gonna keep ringing him up and pestering him and saying
[Raymond:] Mm
[Gwyneth:] have you got a cancellation?... It's life isn't Ray?
[Raymond:] Oh yeah. I mean
[Gwyneth:] I mean what
[Raymond:] friend of ours, he, he hit his tooth, got a lovely tooth Ken he's sixty one now, never had much trouble you know Snapped this one off... er you know in an ac he fell over or whatever, on his
[Gwyneth:] Yeah, that's right.
[Raymond:] said oh god he didn't know whether to pull it out there and then
[Gwyneth:] But it's very hard
[Raymond:] But... went to the dentist and he said leave it... pushed it right back and he said it will grow back.
[Gwyneth:] Did it?
[Raymond:] Oh yes.
[Gwyneth:] Ah it must
[Raymond:] Long as the roots are... Oh well yes, oh well yeah, oh well now obviously
[Gwyneth:] So er...
[Raymond:] I mean my boy had a er a terrible accident ten years ago and smashed all his face... all his teeth were... when we first saw his face he'd got no teeth left... but it's... got them all back. And they're all back and... yeah even though they were all, they were all loose... I mean... still fresh you see the, the break. And it's, the life is in the, still in the tooth if you can find it, but of course sometimes they've gone haven't they?
[Gwyneth:] Too late for us [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Put up with what we've got eh?...
[Gwyneth:] What?
[Raymond:] Put up with what we've got. Well as I say I look after mine but I've only got... the one missing. Mm... I'd hate to have a load of chop ooh
[Gwyneth:] was scared only children he was scared wasn't he? Tony was frightened.
[Raymond:] Oh yes that's stupid that, he he'll end up... if he doesn't go, with a mou a mouth of... sort of black
[Gwyneth:] He, he'll have them all out.
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Gwyneth:] If he... we used to... the children
[Raymond:] I think that's awful if young people
[Gwyneth:] even our grandchildren were, I mean er right from the beginning even if they only go and sit in the surgery... and just watch,ju you know just go and visit
[Raymond:] Yeah that's, that's what they do now yeah.
[Gwyneth:] Get them trained, get them
[Raymond:] Yes, yeah so they're not terrified.
[Gwyneth:] That's right, I mean... there's no pain
[Raymond:] I think they were frightening years ago when they, when we were kids so they're frightening places.
[Gwyneth:] Well we had no, we had no erm... nothing to stop the pain.
[Raymond:] No.
[Gwyneth:] We had no injections, we were just put in a chair and, and it cost
[Raymond:] That's right
[Gwyneth:] two guineas for every filling
[Raymond:] I know, it's a lot of money.
[Gwyneth:] I mean
[Raymond:] Yeah, week's wages yeah.
[Gwyneth:] But we, he didn't get more than two or three guineas a week did he when we were first
[Raymond:] That's right, yeah yes
[Gwyneth:] Then we get, I know... our dentist was very good, we've always said that if we had a good dentist and a good doctors we're on our holidays, and we have, we've been lucky wherever we've been
[Raymond:] Mm. Mm.
[Gwyneth:] we've had good dentists, good doctors.
[Raymond:] Oh it pays you to get a sympathetic one and one that's er not on the
[Gwyneth:] But this one is lovely. This one's young and he's so gentle, you know he
[Raymond:] Yes. Oh they're marvellous. I think that's what Tony's harking back to, the old style when you went and they were a bit er callous.
[Gwyneth:] Yes indeed well, young, how old is he? Twenty... five?
[Raymond:] He's only in his twenties, yeah he ought not, no it wouldn't be would it? No. Twenty years ago they were, they were alright weren't they? What am I thinking about? No I'm thinking about...
[Gwyneth:] [LAUGHTER] []
[Raymond:] Well you know the first time I went was... oh I dunno, before the war you know when I was about four or five and I went to get one out... I mean my parents but it was terrible I was screaming, I was terrified and, and, and I can still see the place you know, there's something very foreboding about the, the place and the chair was like a
[Gwyneth:] And everything was hard wasn't it?
[Raymond:] And they wouldn't mess about if you, you... they slapped you if you didn't do as you were told. So that put me right off for a start. But erm... you only get one good set don't you?
[Gwyneth:] That's right.
[Raymond:] I
[Gwyneth:] And also you see right from, right from pregnancy
[Raymond:] Well they get it free don't they? At the moment.
[Gwyneth:] yeah. I mean er it's before they're... conceived that you've got to try to...
[Raymond:] Oh yes, yes.
[Gwyneth:] I mean it's no good... smoking yourself to death and then er
[Raymond:] That's right.
[Gwyneth:] falling for a baby and then saying
[Raymond:] No no
[Gwyneth:] oh dear
[Raymond:] Well that makes me ill now. It didn't used to but when I, I, I, I feel like going up to these girls and saying for god's sake take that thing out of your mouth.
[Gwyneth:] That's right.
[Raymond:] When they're pregnant or they've got a little baby.... It's horrible.
[Gwyneth:] I mean
[Raymond:] But you know you can't tell people. This friend of ours who lost his wife last year, well we've got another friend who was very fond of her... she also smokes... we just happened to me we didn't say
[Gwyneth:] No.
[Raymond:] I mean it's happened now so we never
[Gwyneth:] Absolutely. No you can't.
[Raymond:] say to th this chap you know but... we just happened to mention in passing to Jeanette... and she really jumped and said oh Pat didn't smoke a lot.... But
[Gwyneth:] Was it very sudden?
[Raymond:] we know via my daughter she's a nurse and she said no... cancer... get a lot of uterine cancer and all this it's not, not in the lungs now. Forget that. That's obvious. But all the other things
[Gwyneth:] That's right.
[Raymond:] it goes to. But... you can't tell these people.
[Gwyneth:] They won't listen.
[Raymond:] This lady we're on about now she's... she must be on forty, fifty a day. A nervous smoker.
[Gwyneth:] See how does she afford it?
[Raymond:] Well that's right, they're both of them at it.... God knows.
[Gwyneth:] pin this to the chair
[Raymond:] Oh god help well get Brian to do that, he loves it. [LAUGHTER]... Morning Bruce, how you doing lad? You busy?
[Bruce:] yeah.... Well pleased....
[Raymond:] What have they got you on this morning? Oh
[Bruce:] and, and a door there to keep you people nice and warm.
[Raymond:] Oh, now? The... summer's coming on now. [LAUGHTER]... We do things back to front... yes
[Joan:] We had three lots of different blues [LAUGHTER] and that's the only one I really like []
[Raymond:] Poor old John's puzzled is he, all the time?
[Joan:] No he doesn't mind actually, he's very good.
[Raymond:] No... oh we go a l and it looks nice.
[Joan:] He likes a change. You see that the, the, it's so dark in here anyway Ray because
[Raymond:] Mm
[Joan:] the wall as you know backs
[Raymond:] Yes
[Joan:] on to the pub so I haven't got any window at the back.
[Raymond:] It's all at the front, yes... yes, yes
[Joan:] I've only got the window at the front, so the dining area is quite dark
[Raymond:] dark, yes yes.
[Joan:] so... but I wanted something bright in there you know.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Joan:] But it was only a temporary in there, like the floor and everything... just a, a brown carpet... because of Honey
[Raymond:] Oh yes
[Joan:] with her season but now
[Raymond:] right
[Joan:] she doesn't have it now
[Raymond:] yeah
[Joan:] I shall get a nice carpet in there now... you know?
[Raymond:] It'll be right one day.... Joan I think I'd better box on with the webbing here love, I haven't got enough
[Joan:] Sorry?
[Raymond:] I'll bo I'd better box on with the webbing on the back.... Haven't got me glue anyway so
[Joan:] A box?
[Raymond:] No, box... a Coventry expression, get on
[Joan:] Oh.
[Raymond:] get on with me webbing on the back.
[Joan:] [LAUGHTER] what you were talking about
[Raymond:] I'll box on
[Joan:] box on.
[Raymond:] So I want... two down is it and three across? Something like that.
[Joan:] Two down and three a er there's some there
[Raymond:] Sound like a crossword. What?
[Joan:] Webb is that what you're asking me for, some webbing?
[Raymond:] No I've got webbing here. I've got, no
[Joan:] Oh, well what are you asking me for?... Oh ho how many to do.
[Raymond:] I'm just saying I'll have I'll have to leave me foam to next week and get some glue... so er
[Joan:] Well there's some glue in the jar to stick some
[Raymond:] But I can't see any there
[Joan:] Er the spray try the...
[Raymond:] Oh is that glue is it?
[Joan:] Yeah it is.
[Raymond:] Oh is this the latest?
[Joan:] Give it a good shake though
[Raymond:] Oh er... oh I see, okay, give that a go.... That's the latest... that's the latest... [singing] We'll take Manhattan []... now then, couple... it's quiet in here today John isn't it? There's not many folks about, what?... Oh smashing...
[Joan:] Th that's where the erm... the back goes in too far.
[Raymond:] Oh of course.
[Joan:] See so I, in fact I was wondering whether to just
[Raymond:] Couple of gimps maybe?
[Joan:] you know just to a er er
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Joan:] draw attention to the fact that they are...
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Joan:] but it is round the back I know
[Raymond:] Yeah, never be seen will it? I can't say
[Joan:] three brass things, no it shouldn't be seen really, so I don't know whether I'm drawing attention to it by putting brass things
[Raymond:] Yes that's the thing, of course.... I s
[Joan:] Cos it's got a handle on it now at the front... here round the other side
[Raymond:] Yes I'm gonna do mine something like this I think. Have you er... it is sprung is it?...
[Joan:] Pardon?
[Raymond:] Sprung?
[Joan:] Yes.
[Raymond:] Ooh...
[Joan:] did it, they
[Raymond:] Dear god.... Bloody he
[Joan:] It didn't actually have a handle on it. Just put one on it
[Raymond:] Yeah yeah... well you could have a bit of... material couldn't you?
[Joan:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Looks a bit rough.
[Joan:] Yeah... [whistling] Bloody hell!...
[Raymond:] This webbing now is that alright love?
[Joan:] Yes. Now you've, your material didn't go the other way on that... these chairs did they, before you
[Raymond:] No
[Joan:] put the webbing on? Yes
[Raymond:] it just goes on to the edge here....
[Joan:] Oh yes.
[Raymond:] I
[Joan:] going to hide the back, all that webbing?...
[Raymond:] Oh no... oh no wait a minute, no
[Joan:] Yeah, you realize do you... it's what it, what's wrong.
[Raymond:] The, the fro the top cover should have gone on first should it?
[Joan:] Material gone on first....
[Raymond:] Oh yes
[Joan:] procedure for any tackle, if you haven't got any the cover must go that way.
[Raymond:] oh I, I'd never, I I realize now from six weeks ago when I got the damn things
[Joan:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] and it's gone blank.... Of course the top material's gotta go on first Joan hasn't it?
[Joan:] Yes.
[Raymond:] What am I?... Mm. [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Star pupil for doing such silly things [].... So really I'm stymied on that aren't I? What I'll do today
[Joan:] Yeah you'll have to take those er those off and machine them all together. You can use them on something else.
[Raymond:] Yeah well that's no problem. What I'll do, I'll measure up today for er
[Joan:] Yeah
[Raymond:] the top material... work out a plan for how much I'll want.
[Joan:] How much you need.
[Raymond:] I'll try and get through the neutrally.... I dunno
[Joan:] Yeah, how many have, have you got?
[Raymond:] Six.
[Joan:] Six?... Cos I might be putting a table in the sale... on its own... but it's a it's dark
[Raymond:] Oh
[Joan:] i it's darker than that.
[Raymond:] oh.
[Joan:] Yeah.... Well actually it's mahogany, it's brown mahogany.
[Raymond:] Oh, oh, oh. That's no good.
[Joan:] Whether, you know, people might have bought them as a set otherwise.
[Raymond:] Yeah, yeah that's what it wants, someone with big turned legs
[Joan:] W yeah, some, some... yeah
[Raymond:] on the table. You see them don't you?... Oh well...
[Joan:] Oh have you?... [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Oh you're doing a good job there John. How many did you say
[John:] today.
[Raymond:] What are these? Two?
[John:] No it's four.
[Raymond:] Oh four, oh it's a set is it? Nice. Is it... keeping these are you or...?
[John:] For now. I'm really
[Raymond:] Yeah
[John:] after a set of six. [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Ah, oh well yeah er
[John:] But rea what I really want, is a set of six... barley twist. I mean it's gonna take me ages trying to find them anyway. But I've got a barley twist table.
[Raymond:] Ah you see them yeah, yeah table and you want them to match in
[John:] gonna make it er two eventually
[Raymond:] Yes, yes
[John:] but these will do, four of these will do temporary anyway
[Raymond:] Yeah, nice.
[John:] but I want a set of six in the end.
[Raymond:] I mean how often do you use six?
[John:] Well we do, there's five of us in the family see
[Raymond:] Oh I see
[John:] Yeah so
[Raymond:] we had four kids... I mean now it's only when we get visitors you know when
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] there's only two of us, you get two visitors we're alright as a four
[John:] Saying that we don't
[Raymond:] We keep ours in the garage, the extra... two carvers
[John:] Oh yes.
[Raymond:] and they come down when you know, if we've got any
[John:] When you need them.
[Raymond:] Mm. Otherwise it's just a waste really.
[John:] Well that's probably what I'm gonna have to do. You can get, you can get sets of four can't you?
[Raymond:] Oh yes
[John:] But six hard to get. I'll just try and get two carvers to match
[Raymond:] Yeah, that's, that's the answer really and er if they're not quite the same you can get away with two carvers can't you? But er... oh well... Yeah this is what got me, I like the er the legs you know, the the backs I, I didn't like at all because you've got this blue
[John:] Well
[Raymond:] You've got no... no m no wood that's showing you see, that's the trouble.
[John:] Yes, yes. Yeah
[Raymond:] Erm but I'm hoping they'll... put them on a, on the table when we sell them in here and there's... that's the first thing that'll hit them is the turned legs you see?
[John:] Nice.
[Raymond:] This is a su survey....
[Joanna:] finished at one point but it's veneered
[Raymond:] Mm
[Joanna:] But erm
[Raymond:] this, but this was exposed then?... The material
[Joanna:] That, it's down to there, yes
[Raymond:] Oh that's a shame.
[Joanna:] but this had been put on so it, it spoilt
[Raymond:] Oh I see. Yeah, yes so
[Joanna:] you know you'd got veneer and then you'd got really crappy wood.
[Raymond:] The pine and that, yes.
[Joanna:] But also people had put nails in the veneer and bits had fallen off and
[Raymond:] Ruined it, yeah.
[Joanna:] there wasn't any point in me trying
[Raymond:] Felt like a bit of challenge there.
[Joanna:] Well you know me... nothing
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joanna:] [LAUGHTER] if there's any woodworking going []
[Raymond:] Is this today is it?
[Joanna:] Yes.
[Raymond:] Too late now.
[Joanna:] Yes, but you went last week so I didn't... but they'd got stuff for you
[Raymond:] Oh I I thought I had loads of
[Joanna:] Oh Ray!
[Raymond:] Never mind my fault
[Joanna:] Sorry I didn't ask because I knew
[Raymond:] My fault. No, no
[Joanna:] they'd got something for you
[Raymond:] Actually er
[Joanna:] last Friday didn't they?
[Raymond:] This erm...
[Joanna:] Yes.
[Raymond:] Yeah, he got me some springs
[Joanna:] Yes well that's why I didn't ask because I assumed
[Raymond:] No
[Joanna:] you'd ordered everything
[Raymond:] no
[Joanna:] Sorry.
[Raymond:] I only need a bit. I can get some from er... Chester perhaps, for what I want you know? So er... how often does this... do they go to then, how often is this order? Is it...
[Joanna:] Er this is just one that... I wanted some stuff and I said to a few people
[Raymond:] Oh you went round? I see, yeah.
[Joanna:] and they're delivering it. I've actually... the last time I got some delivered for me was February... so I tend to sort of get something about once a month I think.
[Raymond:] Mm
[Joanna:] It really depends what I'm doing, if I'm doing a lot of... stuff, then I don't need
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Joanna:] to go because I've got all the hair
[Raymond:] Loads yeah
[Joanna:] But at the moment I seem to have done a lot of stuff with foam so...
[Raymond:] I tend to forget, me, honest to god I think I've... plenty and then you come to the you say oh god... you know... it's... never mind.
[Joanna:] Well next time I'll remember you.
[Raymond:] Next time if you'd ask me, and I still won't know. [LAUGHTER]
[Arthur:] Half past twelve! I might as well go through on this, I was gonna go in that one.
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Arthur:] I'll, I'll go, this fellow's moving now so I'll go in there.
[Raymond:] So you've got a big garden have you Arth?
[Arthur:] Oh, no
[Raymond:] Oh.
[Arthur:] got a... decent size back garden.
[Raymond:] Mine is, yes yes, yeah.... It's er Birkenhead you live is it?
[Arthur:] I live in
[Raymond:] Oh you told me! But you're a Birkenhead guy are you?
[Arthur:] No,
[Raymond:] Oh you're a scouser?
[Arthur:] Mm mhm
[Raymond:] What part?
[Arthur:] Eh?
[Raymond:] What part?
[Arthur:] Manfield.
[Raymond:] Oh that was the, the rough part.
[Arthur:] Oh aye yeah, well I am rough aren't I?
[Raymond:] Highton Highton I came... a nice part.
[Arthur:] rough are they.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Arthur:] never used to fight with lads. they're a tough crowd.
[Chris:] oh yeah... watch the showers.
[Raymond:] Yeah nasty aren't they?
[Chris:] actually now isn't it?
[Raymond:] Oh it has come lovely now, with the old sun but... there's more to come I think.... Er where do you live Chris, you say Cristleton is it?
[Chris:] No no I'm not
[Raymond:] Oh it wouldn't be Cristleton
[Chris:] far away. No erm really
[Raymond:] Oh you're not a
[Chris:] on the Chester high road.
[Raymond:] Oh yes
[Chris:] You know the Shrewsbury Arms?
[Raymond:] Oh yes?
[Chris:] Well it's just the road at the back
[Raymond:] gardens we used to go there
[Chris:] Yeah. Oh that's nice, yeah.
[Raymond:] Specially in the spring time when the azaleas are out and that.
[Chris:] Yes yeah. Yes oh gardens is fabulous, yeah.
[Raymond:] Mm. But now you've gotta pay...
[Chris:] You have yeah
[Raymond:] so much to go in
[Chris:] Well we we used to join as a, you know, you could become a friend of gardens
[Raymond:] That's right, yeah
[Chris:] and it was quite reasonable. Now it's really gone a bit... bit over the top I think.
[Raymond:] Mm pay so much a year.
[Chris:] So erm
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Chris:] Oh I used to pay a year from when you... from when you first started paying but
[Raymond:] Mm
[Chris:] I've missed the one in January now and I think, oh, I've paid for a year but
[Raymond:] It's a lot of money.
[Chris:] It's only odd days, it's... it's perhaps lovely there in the winter when it's snowing and things
[Raymond:] I know it's absolutely gorgeous.
[Paul:] First seats... will obviously... in action... Have you seen the papers?
[Brian:] No No, the lady came to the house.
[Raymond:] Well the lady came here
[Paul:] Just knocked on the door?
[Brian:] Yes.... Yeah.
[Paul:] A, and said what?... And
[Brian:] Well just read, just read what it says there.
[Paul:] Well I mean
[Brian:] Sh, what she said to me
[Paul:] you could probably save me reading wouldn't it?
[Raymond:] Yeah the doing er, say four, in this area but I... There were three.
[Brian:] Some down in the Midlands. I think that's the same isn't it?
[Raymond:] And we selected all intelligent looking ones.
[Brian:] ... Yeah but
[Raymond:] Bar one!
[Brian:] showed him.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Paul:] So they made a mistake filling it in?
[Brian:] Anyway, she
[Paul:] So we've still got the
[Cathy:] Anyway he said so he couldn't do it!
[Brian:] Well I'd only just brought it in the kitchen actually.
[Paul:] Oh, I thought I'd give you a chance to put on your
[Brian:] I don't care!
[Paul:] your posh accent.
[Brian:] Ray, had it.
[Paul:] wasn't just for me... I'd like to know him.... You can,....
[Cathy:] Careful!
[Brian:] Totally, all the complications and of course, they've been absolutely abnormal.
[Paul:] You still going on?
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Paul:] Okay, it's on.
[Brian:] No, not really.
[Paul:] Wherever a description of youth.
[Raymond:] Well... where have you been today?
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Paul:] What is it?
[Raymond:] What have you been doing?
[Paul:] Oh is it going?
[Cathy:] It's good!
[Brian:] Anyway, listen!
[Paul:] Mm.
[Cathy:] Do you want... do you want any help to do these posts that's what your down as today?
[Paul:] I think there's... Want it on don't you?
[Brian:] I just switched that on now yes.
[Raymond:] So er... so you had a good time? What about
[Paul:] Oh yeah.
[Raymond:] full life?... I did your dad's figures as well.
[Brian:] He came home at the home didn't you?
[Cathy:] He had to come home!
[Paul:] Oh!... Well I've sa, is it secret?
[Brian:] He went... Paul.
[Paul:] Oh the other day?
[Cathy:] Mm.
[Brian:] Well Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
[Paul:] For those who were staying there I mean.
[Brian:] Did you have any... Yeah, obviously Oh well that's lucky I was gonna say did you have any
[Paul:] No, no.
[Brian:] paperwork to do at night.
[Raymond:] We had some homework to do
[Paul:] Yeah she did a little bit, yeah....
[Raymond:] So is there a, a... bar there and all this... caper?
[Paul:] Oh yeah... yep.
[Raymond:] Subsidised?
[Paul:] No.
[Raymond:] No?
[Paul:] No.
[Raymond:] I thought it might be like one of these clubs, you know.
[Brian:] We chip in.
[Raymond:] I'm getting bloody paranoid about that!
[Paul:] Yeah, that's the trouble.
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER] But no tha []
[Raymond:] But
[Cathy:] Yeah, when are going back, yeah.
[Brian:] And this is just normal.
[Paul:] Yeah, that's fine.
[Raymond:] But seriously they want ten times whatever!
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] And the bricks!
[Brian:] Ya.
[Paul:] where else can you say
[Cathy:] and we had
[Paul:] it's not the brick
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Not that old chestnut!
[Cathy:] Of course.
[Raymond:] So er... got the pads... seventeen quid weren't they?... No, seventeen pence... you could do it yourself!
[Paul:] What do you mean?
[Raymond:] Yes, well when I hear... do the job couldn't you
[Paul:] How much?... Seventeen
[Raymond:] Seventeen yeah.
[Paul:] You're kidding! Should of gone to to do... they did mine for fifteen quid!... Brake shoes... and that Dixons as well!... Oh no, tell a lie... twenty five quid it was.
[Cathy:] Well this
[Paul:] Fitted!
[Cathy:] car.
[Paul:] Oh Emma's isn't fitted
[Brian:] This is the Volvo though isn't it?
[Cathy:] Expensive
[Paul:] on the
[Brian:] Volvos.
[Paul:] The price is usually cheaper than
[Cathy:] Well Renault first.
[Brian:] Yeah.... Oh was that for the Renault in?
[Raymond:] And the
[Cathy:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] tried to give which you've gotta do the cos they
[Brian:] Not bad!
[Raymond:] so much fluid in the grill.... And all the rest!... They tied the car so they could get in the vice.... The Volvo.... It's alright to use.... Sally said we had to... anyway, I did one side didn't I?
[Brian:] Yeah.... Carefully!
[Raymond:] Open the... Ahhh!... Then go do the other side
[Brian:] Haven't got much of a bump!
[Raymond:] And the er
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER] There's nothing there []!
[Cathy:] No.
[Brian:] You looked bigger at
[Raymond:] Honest, and stuff like that
[Brian:] Seems to going longer doesn't it?
[Cathy:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] That isn't due for an hour there... So January
[Paul:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] it snapped off!... So what do you do? There's the calibre with the, with the gone!... So I
[Brian:] [shouting] Don't []!
[Raymond:] I end up going to Greenfield
[Brian:] Get down!
[Raymond:] Twenty five pound for a second hand one plus
[Paul:] Ooh Jesus!
[Raymond:] Seventy pound in the... Volvo.
[Paul:] I thought you were gonna say you've broke the engine mounting on the machine
[Cathy:] [whispering] What can we do []?
[Paul:] and then you had to go and let it... get a new engine!
[Raymond:] This is bad enough!
[Paul:] All because of a brake that was
[Brian:] Don't joke about things like that Paul, please!
[Raymond:] But you know he'd got a huge parlour there was nothing wrong within this one thing... and you know, we tried to drill it out you know
[Brian:] What?
[Cathy:] Mm.
[Brian:] Ha!... You'll knock it off!
[Raymond:] the seating
[Brian:] Go on off, off, off!
[Raymond:] We went down to the
[Brian:] Oh oh oh!
[Raymond:] buy a bowl of stuff
[Brian:] Oh!
[Raymond:] He said here are... and tapping him over the nose
[Brian:] He puts his head sort of, down
[Cathy:] Oh!
[Brian:] the end of his neck doesn't he?
[Raymond:] So, but when I tried it it
[Cathy:] Very funny!
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Just all the luck of draw isn't it with things like that?
[Paul:] Oh yes
[Raymond:] You've just gotta be
[Brian:] Mhm.
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER] []!
[Raymond:] If it's... if it seems solid then you... you got no
[Paul:] Stay away from the! [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] pipes.... The actual hose is about that long.... It looked as though he... it was all in one
[Paul:] Keep him quiet.
[Raymond:] and then I spoke to the feller, said aye!
[Paul:] Is that the union?
[Raymond:] It's supposed
[Cathy:] It's something there... in a magazine the other week there.
[Raymond:] Found something wrong with his
[Cathy:] What animals do, like and what it means.
[Raymond:] he said they just... do.
[Cathy:] And they were saying that... when they lick each others
[Brian:] Yeah... what does that
[Cathy:] you know? Apparently it's the... the one who's doing the licking is looking at the
[Raymond:] But they tell you
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] whatever they do
[Brian:] it means
[Raymond:] is the turn...
[Cathy:] I thought now erm... sort of
[Raymond:] So I did that both sides so that
[Cathy:] Like he's sort of saying that he's the boss!
[Brian:] Li like the leader of the. Yeah.
[Cathy:] Could be alternatively... older ones or something like that. Well
[Raymond:] Well I'll tell you what... ah, you'll never be er
[Cathy:] Ja just rubbing and giving him
[Brian:] Oh, he could of er
[Paul:] He started on my Renault
[Brian:] Subjugated!
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Paul:] and it's been running well since I just
[Cathy:] they'd have to.
[Paul:] keep your fingers crossed and not
[Brian:] Oh I don't know I had a subjugated about that.
[Cathy:] They do.
[Brian:] So
[Paul:] Fair does like... rather than
[Cathy:] Mm,tha, that's why I didn't say like
[Paul:] paying out for a
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER] feet aren't they sometimes []?
[Paul:] And the brake pads had gone
[Brian:] Yeah. Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh yes, you've gotta replace them
[Brian:] They're sort of saying... that you are really testing your
[Paul:] I mean, I replace mine
[Cathy:] To see that
[Paul:] but but the brakes
[Brian:] Mm.
[Cathy:] But they don't your
[Paul:] But the brakes literally bleed them
[Cathy:] I mean your cat.
[Raymond:] No I did that before
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] to do... it's not very dangerous.
[Paul:] I hope so.... You wonder what that is same as you have in the
[Cathy:] A delightful thing to be i I think you was doing the same to Cathy weren't you? And, everyone goes... Cathy can the meeting.
[Paul:] Well at the what's er
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] What?
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER]
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] just walking back []!
[Raymond:] That I think will be
[Brian:] Perfect wife!
[Cathy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Good heavens!
[Raymond:] With the greenhouse.
[speaker004:] What's this, the Boy's Brigade?
[Brian:] Yes it is.
[Raymond:] My God Almighty!
[Brian:] Here comes the boys.
[Raymond:] Where are you from, from Mould
[Nik:] Cygerly
[Raymond:] Cygerly... Oh, aye!... Live in hope... die in Cygerly, ay?
[Brian:] Well... well I've got them all wedged in now.
[Raymond:] Oh no!... Bu
[Brian:] There we go... right.
[Nik:] Thank you
[Raymond:] Okay!
[Nik:] Thank you!
[Raymond:] Bye!
[Nik:] And
[Dorothy:] Went to the hospital with a... lady down the road
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] and Val was on the, got to be home from where... you know?
[Margaret:] Oh yes
[Dorothy:] Yes.
[Margaret:] Yes.... I did phone her a few weeks ago and she said, ooh I'll have to see you on Friday... in Mould you know get a
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] a bit of a coffee but er
[Dorothy:] Oh well, we were coming home on the bu, rest bus together.
[Margaret:] Oh yes.
[Dorothy:] Well she's fine yeah.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] Well.
[Margaret:] Still working?
[Dorothy:] She normally get's a... in
[Margaret:] Oh
[Dorothy:] in Wrexham.
[Margaret:] Is she still... working at
[Dorothy:] She didn't
[Margaret:] or
[Dorothy:] no... on the? Did she
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] Did she work in Prescott
[Margaret:] I, I thought she'd... no, she went
[Dorothy:] She's to
[Margaret:] she went to Lesher didn't
[Dorothy:] No, she told me she went
[Margaret:] she?
[Dorothy:] No, she told me she was in another place, I've never heard of it,.
[Margaret:] I'm sure somebody told me that she was working with the... trainee... at er
[Dorothy:] Oh, well she told me she was working, but I'd never heard of, some sewing place, it must be in Wrexham.
[Margaret:] Oh did she?
[Dorothy:] but she said they'd laid her off.
[Margaret:] Oh!... Ooh dear, so er
[Dorothy:] But at moment she isn't working but she said
[Margaret:] In between.
[Dorothy:] for them to ring her back.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Dorothy:] So she said they've rang her back cos... you know... I think she's going there again.... But I don't
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Dorothy:] Bretfords sh, well she said, I'm sure she didn't say Bretfords
[Margaret:] No, I... I think it was somebody I was talking to from Bretford who said that she'd gone... she was looking after the
[Dorothy:] Oh maybe, yeah.
[Margaret:] trainees in Leighbridge Do you remember when they had them
[Dorothy:] That's right yeah.
[Margaret:] For so many months I think didn't they?
[Dorothy:] That's right.
[Margaret:] And then... cos I said, ooh are, are they going to open up again?
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] But er... but it hasn't has it?
[Dorothy:] It wasn't anything no.
[Margaret:] And nobody's taken the place over have they?
[Dorothy:] No it's just bought, well... they've got planks across it now, save the cars turning round in there.
[Margaret:] Oh, boarded up the street?
[Dorothy:] Well, you know
[Margaret:] The, the access roads, yeah.
[Dorothy:] Down street... people going and parking up there.
[Margaret:] Do, oh! What a shame! I mean
[Dorothy:] And it's... at the end it's
[Margaret:] The whole village... relied on that
[Dorothy:] got a sale board
[Margaret:] didn't they for
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] work?... I wonder what
[Dorothy:] for sale or rent.
[Raymond:] It's awful for the people that's at the wrong age, and too early to... retire really it's
[Dorothy:] Yeah yeah
[Raymond:] You know early fifties and
[Margaret:] Too old to get another job!
[Dorothy:] Yeah, but it's all, Christ
[Raymond:] Er
[Dorothy:] I mean you can't flaming well drive in, can't get out village!
[Margaret:] No, when are you having driving lessons?
[Raymond:] Ohhhh dear dear!
[Dorothy:] Oh!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Is that another story is it []?
[Raymond:] You want empty road you see when you're trying
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] one lady said to me... take everyone else
[Dorothy:] [LAUGHTER] [].
[Raymond:] off the road and I'll be happy! [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Isn't he terrible!
[Dorothy:] Oh!... I'm er
[Margaret:] Is he
[Dorothy:] I, yeah... I go... well I've started going again now... er... aren't very good!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] He said to me... should add... erm... you know like being
[Margaret:] Bit like
[Dorothy:] is what he said.
[Margaret:] Oh.
[Dorothy:] And he said you'll be able to go round the roundabout then I the flaming things!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] So he said you couldn't have done! So I sa have, so I told him what he said, and he said... well that's exactly what it says in the book! I said yes, well why don't you do it? I said because in the bloody book there's no cars on the roundabout and I says it!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] I said you bring me three o'clock
[Margaret:] You really
[Dorothy:] in the morning I'll go round the roundabout for you when it's empty!
[Raymond:] Mm, that's it... innit?
[Dorothy:] I said but when I come here there are cars everywhere, I says on... on the picture
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] there isn't a car in sight! He sat there and burst out laughing but he said... yeah you're right, [LAUGHTER] there isn't []!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Did you tend to come on
[Dorothy:] No well... well I've started again now.
[Margaret:] Yeah.... Does Yvonne go out with you or
[Dorothy:] No... because she's got an X R two and their, the insurance is too high for her to
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] to insure it for me.
[Margaret:] Oh God, yeah!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Dorothy:] Well the insurance for her is higher then.
[Margaret:] How's she doing anyway... still in er
[Dorothy:] She's doing a
[Margaret:] ?
[Dorothy:] now in er....
[Margaret:] Oh good!
[Dorothy:] It's a new thing come out now... I don't know whether it's
[Raymond:] Two, er, two two thousand is it?
[Dorothy:] Project two thousand.
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Dorothy:] Is that it?
[Margaret:] Project two thousand
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] that's right yeah.
[Dorothy:] She has
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] to do so many big things, Bangor the University and so many.
[Margaret:] Yeah... yeah... it
[Dorothy:] So they get like a degree or something
[Margaret:] it's
[Dorothy:] at the end of it.
[Margaret:] It's strange well... erm... I mean with, Bon's just qualified now... and she trying to get a job down in Portsmouth but erm... you know they're not they don't
[Raymond:] Terrible!
[Margaret:] seem to be recruiting at the moment.... But erm... she was saying... there were a group that she sort of went... were alongside their group which were the
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Project two thousand, but it... it seems to be mostly class work... and very
[Dorothy:] Yeah well
[Margaret:] little practical work, whereas... the group she was in... you know, it was so many weeks of school but the majority
[Dorothy:] like Bonny hasn't she
[Margaret:] of it was actually... on the ward isn't it?
[Dorothy:] But he won't... come in Wrexham now they're not on the wards much.
[Margaret:] No.
[Raymond:] No.
[Dorothy:] And they only get advantage of getting
[Raymond:] A lot of it's er
[Margaret:] Well
[Raymond:] theory isn't it I believe... er
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] they don't get a great
[Margaret:] Which... I mean for er... for a hospital taking people on like that, I mean erm... I would of said... i it would... would of been a better proposition to have somebody who's at least experienced.
[Dorothy:] Or... well Yvonne said she wouldn't
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] have ever gone into nursing now because she said I wouldn't do it for a grant.
[Margaret:] No.
[Dorothy:] You know I
[Raymond:] No.
[Dorothy:] wouldn't go for three years for a grant and just
[Margaret:] No.
[Raymond:] No.
[Dorothy:] get nurses wages at the end of it!
[Margaret:] That's right yeah.
[Dorothy:] If I was gonna get a job
[Margaret:] There's no incentive at all is there?
[Dorothy:] I'd go for something for higher wages at the end of it!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Dorothy:] But, you know... she goes mad!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] But she had a job as a nursing sister in erm... Yale, the private hospital before she done her midwifery but she's
[Margaret:] Oh yeah!
[Dorothy:] always wanted to do a midi so
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] she left that and she's gone... to do her midwifery... and now when she gets... the other day she was looking at old pay slips... God, she must have been an idiot to give up a sister's post cos she said... her wages have dropped terrible to do this course!
[Margaret:] That's terrible isn't it?
[Dorothy:] Cos they won't pay you a sister's grade, they'll only... pay you an E grade.
[Margaret:] Yeah, that's right.
[Dorothy:] To do a course.... They'll
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] only go so high to do a course... and she was on an F grade so she had to... be taken down.
[Margaret:] So she could drop.
[Dorothy:] And she said, when she qualifies it will be years before she's gets back to an F grade!
[Margaret:] It's just ridiculous.
[Dorothy:] And they don't automatically give them a higher grade after a,.
[Margaret:] So they've gotta go through that waiting period before you
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] build up to the
[Dorothy:] Wait for someone to... die or retire or something
[Margaret:] Oh dear!
[Dorothy:] for you to go in
[Margaret:] She'll have to put a... banana skin at the top of the stairs
[Dorothy:] that's their job isn't it?
[Margaret:] for somebody!
[Dorothy:] It is, it's bad isn't it?
[Margaret:] Yeah, yeah.
[Dorothy:] And she goes mad!... And then
[Margaret:] If er
[Dorothy:] they train in in Wrexham, in the midwifery... she says they haven't trained any for two years and they're not training any next year either!
[Margaret:] Well I know Bon said er they'd they'd cut down on the recruiting... in fact, I think they'd closed one of the hospitals in Bristol... in the Frenchay where she is... has actually got to take... erm... qualified nurses from that hospital... before they take student nurses that they've trained
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] so... you know, I mean it's gonna be difficult for a lot of them when they go.
[Dorothy:] But she went to Caborange to do her orthopaedics didn't she?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Dorothy:] And she was toying with the idea whether to go and do her midwifery cos that's what she wanted to do
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] and then she said, well like, you know, I don't know!... Anyway, she went to... she took this... sister's post in The Yale
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Dorothy:] to wait for her midwifery to come through... and then er... they've closed that
[Margaret:] Does she have to
[Dorothy:] ward.
[Margaret:] pay for this course... by the way?
[Dorothy:] No, she gets paid on any rate.
[Margaret:] Oh, I see.
[Raymond:] See, Bon would have pay... for
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] going on an extra... she said after
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] she'd finished her training she's had to
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] actually pay for the course!
[Margaret:] They do in... erm
[Raymond:] for the
[Margaret:] Wendy, our neighbour's daughter's erm
[Dorothy:] Was that erm
[Margaret:] she's gonna have to pay for
[Dorothy:] ward management course they paid for, some of them
[Raymond:] No it wasn't
[Dorothy:] cos some girl went on a ward management course
[Raymond:] I'm not sure now.
[Dorothy:] and they have to pay.... But Yvonne was sent to do that on Cabowin she was lucky! She went on a... they sent her on a ward management course there.
[Margaret:] Oh so
[Dorothy:] So she's had that
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] she's got her orthopaedics... that orthopaedics ward's closed down now!... So it's a good job she didn't... move on there.
[Margaret:] That's terrible isn't it?
[Dorothy:] Cos she said luckily I
[Margaret:] And the, there's a crying need for the... for nurses in the hospitals and wards... and the, and they sort of they're cutting down... you know, on the hospital programme... closing wards... er, not employing nurses when they need them... you know, and they're trying to get
[Dorothy:] And the private hospitals are and she
[Margaret:] one person to do five people's jobs!
[Dorothy:] came from the hospital to... to do her midwifery... and there was a boy... in Wrexham Hospital... he'd give up the permanent job to go to The Yale
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Dorothy:] and... he was saying a month and they'd laid him off and he can't back into Wrexham Hospital!
[Raymond:] Oh good!
[Margaret:] But that is awful isn't it?
[Raymond:] Well you'd think that there'd be plenty of er opportunities in the private... sector wouldn't you?
[Dorothy:] Apparently what they're doing in the private sector taking er... ooh what do you call them?... Yvonne does it
[Margaret:] Oh, like erm
[Dorothy:] Oh!
[Margaret:] Like er, I was going to say a stand-by, what
[Dorothy:] Oh Gosh!... Yeah, you
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] know, like contact... so when they need
[Margaret:] As they like, yeah.
[Raymond:] Ohhhh!
[Margaret:] That's right.... Well actually you know, Bon said this on the phone the other day
[Dorothy:] Yvonne does that when she can't
[Margaret:] she said I may have
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] to do an agency... erm
[Dorothy:] Cos she does that, now she's give up her
[Margaret:] like a fill-in
[Dorothy:] sister's post
[Margaret:] but she doesn't want to, cos I said, oh for heaven's sake don't undermine the National Health Service, I said it's undermined enough!
[Dorothy:] Yeah, well
[Margaret:] From the private sector, but she said
[Raymond:] What can you do?
[Margaret:] well... er, you know if... it comes to it I'll have to.
[Dorothy:] Well Yvonne went into the private to get er... a sister's post... and sh... but she knew she was gonna do her midwifery, so she knew she wasn't gonna stay there... but when she went it's become... when she does her midwifery for the sister's post, ah but she's got experience hasn't she when she's
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] done it?
[Margaret:] She's got the erm... the qualification there.
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] That's right.
[Dorothy:] So er
[Raymond:] You know, they should get everything given to them shouldn't they, nurses? They work that hard it's... they devoted... shouldn't have to fight over ruddy rates and
[Dorothy:] Well, you know, I mean she's gone... to midwifery now and she's, say she's due home, half nine... she'll come home eleven o'clock and I'll say where have you been till now?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Dorothy:] Well, well there was a woman half way through delivery so we can't leave!
[Raymond:] Oh aye!
[Margaret:] That's right, yeah.
[Raymond:] Gotta carry on.
[Margaret:] ... Bon has often said that we're supposed to finish at
[Dorothy:] You don't get overtime!
[Margaret:] nine o'clock but I was there till half
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] past nine!
[Dorothy:] But they don't get overtime! They're
[Margaret:] No.
[Dorothy:] not allowed to pay them overtime!
[Margaret:] No, that's right.
[Dorothy:] You know it's
[Margaret:] Er, it's
[Dorothy:] And she was saying, cos her friend works in a bank... and she's just taken a mortgage on because they get so much knocked off their mortgage don't they, if you work in a
[Margaret:] Mm mm.
[Dorothy:] bank?
[Margaret:] Mm mm. [car horn]
[Dorothy:] So that girl's only paying a hundred pound a month mortgage on... it's only a terraced house but
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] but Yvonne was saying on my wages I wouldn't get a mortgage!
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] No.... No.
[Raymond:] No.
[Dorothy:] The only mortgage I'd get was for twenty odd thousand.
[Raymond:] double that you see, wouldn't it be the
[Dorothy:] No.
[Raymond:] interest with the
[Dorothy:] Well she was saying
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] they wouldn't give you one on your wages!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] They'd give you one for twenty odd thousand, where you gonna get a house for twenty odd thousand?
[Margaret:] Exactly!
[Raymond:] Nothing!
[Dorothy:] So she's just done all that training, she said, you know she's done her
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] training, she's done her orthopaedics done her
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] midi's... and she still can't afford... a mortgage on her own!
[Margaret:] Still can't, yeah. Cos you're at
[Raymond:] Right, yeah.
[Margaret:] the bottom of the ladder!
[Dorothy:] You know and
[Raymond:] And the poor people of... of the so so society, it's wrong isn't it?
[Dorothy:] You know, it's wrong really when they've done all that training!
[Raymond:] Well they sort of
[Margaret:] How's your son anyway?
[Dorothy:] Oh fine! About time!
[Margaret:] Not a grandmother yet?
[Dorothy:] Oh yes, oh, she was three haven't I?
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Dorothy:] And erm... the baby she's four months old.
[Margaret:] Oh lovely!... that's my is
[Dorothy:] Are your grandchildren alright?
[Margaret:] Yes, fine yes
[Raymond:] Oh alright.
[Margaret:] they're all at school now.
[Dorothy:] Ahhh!... Is your daughter alright?
[Margaret:] So... yes, she's coping quite well she's thinking of erm... doing a course as Kelvedel College
[Dorothy:] Oh that's nice!
[Margaret:] been down there asking about er
[Dorothy:] won't she?
[Margaret:] you know, different courses
[Raymond:] Give her a bit of interest other than
[Dorothy:] Well
[Raymond:] the house and the
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] kids
[Dorothy:] Yeah, this is it.
[Margaret:] It means getting away from the children all the time.
[Dorothy:] I mean, she's only young isn't she? You know, get
[Raymond:] Oh God yes!
[Dorothy:] mixing with... you know
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Margaret:] With adults!
[Dorothy:] with other people!
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []!
[Dorothy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Yeah, it's true though.
[Dorothy:] Ah!
[Raymond:] Nine o'clock she's
[Margaret:] Real world.
[Raymond:] sitting on [LAUGHTER] her own, isn't she talking to the eldest one who is
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] only what?
[Dorothy:] Yeah I mean, it's children
[Raymond:] Nine!
[Dorothy:] or people your age isn't it, you know she's
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] with? She wants to get her someone her ow...
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] I mean she's young
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] isn't she?
[Margaret:] That's right, yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh gosh, yes, that's right!
[Dorothy:] Yeah, I mean she wants to get out and
[Raymond:] She wants a rich... good looking chap then, she
[Dorothy:] They all
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Dorothy:] [LAUGHTER] want that, I mean... as my mum said, I'm looking for a
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] millionaire
[Margaret:] They're thin on the ground!
[Dorothy:] but there don't seem to be any around
[Margaret:] I've had to go out looking for one all these years!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] I'm looking for a millionaire, she says but I don't see many around... I said what about the doctors? Well if you fancy a black one there's plenty [LAUGHTER] but she don't fancy them []!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] Poor men!
[Raymond:] Ay!... Can marry a a bad white one!... Our daughter
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] You can
[Raymond:] did, my God, yes!
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Colour means nothing!
[Margaret:] No.
[Dorothy:] No, you can ma, you can... just what they are isn't it
[Raymond:] No matter what they are
[Dorothy:] that counts?
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Margaret:] Anyway, I'd suppose we'd better go.
[Dorothy:] The trouble is all the coloured doctors have got arranged marriages over there they only
[Raymond:] Ah!
[Dorothy:] want a girl
[Raymond:] Oh!... Ooh yes, oh
[Dorothy:] fill in the time till they go
[Raymond:] oh that's no good!
[Dorothy:] back!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Oh you mean the er
[Margaret:] Arranged marriages.
[Raymond:] Ira Iranians?
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Ooh!
[Dorothy:] And lot's of them of stopped that
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Dorothy:] I've said last year
[Raymond:] Ooh that's slavery!
[Dorothy:] and taken in like that, they've even gone and lived with them!
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] And then all of a sudden they've disappeared, I mean
[Raymond:] That's it!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Oh []!
[Dorothy:] they're marriages are [LAUGHTER] all arranged [] cos they got
[Margaret:] Oh
[Dorothy:] [LAUGHTER] I'm
[Margaret:] dear
[Dorothy:] not that stupid []!
[Raymond:] Just think how lucky you are!
[Margaret:] Why?
[Raymond:] Well... how soft we are... th... compared with those chaps!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Ay?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] They've got a slave haven't they?
[Dorothy:] Yeah
[Raymond:] It's
[Dorothy:] you have
[Raymond:] the opposite here!
[Dorothy:] They'd have you carrying the coconuts on your head
[Margaret:] Dream on!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] from the palm trees!
[Margaret:] No!
[Raymond:] At water!
[Dorothy:] Yeah, they!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] Oh dear!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] Go down here
[Raymond:] Oh dear!
[Margaret:] Well, good luck with the driving!
[Dorothy:] Oh I
[Margaret:] Keep at it!
[Raymond:] Let us know when you're coming out... a we, and we'll stay in
[Dorothy:] So you can all stay in!
[Raymond:] especially on the roundabouts!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... Three o'clock in the morning you'll be alright! Three am.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]... [LAUGHTER] That's right []!
[Dorothy:] That's what I said to him, I said if you sent me to a
[Margaret:] No, you keep at it!
[Dorothy:] driving lesson in the middle of the night I'd be alright!... better.
[Raymond:] Once you... once you get into it it's... it's the same for everyone isn't it?
[Margaret:] It's confidence isn't it? It's developing
[Raymond:] And, of course
[Margaret:] confidence.
[Raymond:] the later you leave it
[Margaret:] Mind you, I've always been amazed
[Raymond:] You know
[Margaret:] that at... people being able to get into a car and never driven before... and be allowed out onto a highway!
[Raymond:] Yes!... Yeah, it's
[Margaret:] I mean
[Raymond:] very traumatic!
[Margaret:] you know I would of thought the, the first thing would be
[Dorothy:] To be honest Margaret I was never, never was in a car
[Margaret:] to learn the mechanics of the car.
[Dorothy:] I mean, I was quite happy sitting there being driven around I was other people!
[Margaret:] That's right, yes, it's nice isn't it?
[Dorothy:] But er
[Margaret:] Till the chauffeur er... isn't there, you know!
[Dorothy:] You can't, it must be since Paul did... and the man turned up... and to Yvonne, I'm not going
[Margaret:] [cough]
[Dorothy:] you'll go to the industrial estate mum, she said... don't worry... she said he'll drive
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] you there... and she said, you'll be alright....
[Margaret:] [cough]
[Dorothy:] to the pub, do you know The Prince?
[Margaret:] Yeah, yeah.
[Dorothy:] Drove me to there and he said, here are get in! I went... this isn't the industrial estate!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]... Ha ha, this is the road!
[Dorothy:] Said, get in!... And I had to drive to Mould oh!
[Margaret:] Nerves all the way!
[Dorothy:] and I
[Raymond:] It is, it is er
[Margaret:] Yeah.... The trouble is the industrial estate is full of learner drivers just like yourself!
[Dorothy:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Yeah.... More
[Dorothy:] So
[Raymond:] traffic there.
[Dorothy:] Yvonne said
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []!
[Dorothy:] to me that's where they took her the first time, they didn't take her right on the... the roads, you know, the first time she'd
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Dorothy:] ever been in a car!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] But the kids have got more... confidence haven't they?
[Dorothy:] They have they
[Raymond:] They must have when you're twenty something, you know, they've got less fear.
[Dorothy:] I think they're
[Margaret:] Yeah, yeah.
[Dorothy:] they're not afraid of anything are they?
[Margaret:] Well
[Raymond:] I mean, when our Bon was learning I went with her a few times she frightened the life out of me!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] But yeah I know
[Raymond:] Well I mean I
[Margaret:] I think er
[Dorothy:] They've got the nerve haven't they? I mean
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Dorothy:] you know
[Margaret:] Well, they haven't got the experience to realise... what would happen if er
[Dorothy:] What being too you know?
[Margaret:] That's right yeah.... Yeah.
[Raymond:] When I learned it was horse and carts on the roads!... [LAUGHTER]
[Dorothy:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker004:] Do you
[Margaret:] What
[Raymond:] That
[Margaret:] is he like?
[speaker004:] buy a
[Raymond:] That's a joke!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker004:] Would you like buy a flag for the?
[Raymond:] Another one?
[Margaret:] Here, look here I've got a badge
[speaker004:] i oh!
[Margaret:] already!... You've been to me once!
[Dorothy:] They're flags yo
[Raymond:] Where's the flag?
[Margaret:] I don't mind
[Raymond:] Here are!
[Margaret:] supporting the Boy's Brigade once, but
[Raymond:] I thought he was gonna come dressed as a boy scout this time!
[Dorothy:] Here are!
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]... Thanks a lot!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Okay, well we'll have
[Raymond:] Anyway
[Margaret:] to get going anyway Dot.
[Raymond:] All the best!
[Margaret:] Take care.
[Raymond:] See you soon.
[Dorothy:] Okay,
[Raymond:] Bye bye love.
[Margaret:] Keep up with your lessons.
[Raymond:] Bye!
[Dorothy:] Bye now!
[Raymond:] Where you going now?
[Margaret:] I was gonna get eggs, that's what I was... gonna head in here for.
[Raymond:] Oh get them in Buckley now, come on!
[Margaret:] Yes.... I've got to get milk anyway so
[Raymond:] What, what sort of music would you like me play?
[Laura:] Any.
[Scott:] Any.
[Raymond:] Any?
[Scott:] Yes.
[Raymond:] What does that mean?
[Scott:] Any!
[Raymond:] I want you
[Laura:] Any kind.
[Scott:] Any music!
[Raymond:] Well don't you like pop music or... what's your favourite?
[Scott:] Ooh... Jason Donovan!
[Raymond:] Oh no!... What's the
[Laura:] I don't mind.
[Raymond:] Well go on, you've gotta say something!
[Laura:] Kylie Minogue.
[Raymond:] Kylie Minogue.... Kylie Minogue? I don't know her, I don't that! I know Whitney Houston.
[Scott:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Is she good is she?
[Scott:] Michael Jackson.
[Raymond:] Oh I know him!... Yes, one that's got the er
[Scott:] Yeah... have him.
[Raymond:] White face.
[Laura:] No, he's got a black face!
[Raymond:] I know, but he's had all this treatment hasn't he, to make his... face white.
[Laura:] Yeah, put Michael Jackson on.
[Raymond:] Alright.
[Scott:] Michael Jackson.
[Raymond:] Well, first, tell me what you've done today?... Ay?
[Laura:] Er not... not much
[Raymond:] Don't wanna tell me?
[Laura:] but playing.... Me and Scott were just playing... and I went
[Scott:] at home.
[Laura:] I went
[Raymond:] Have you... have you seen Cop?
[Laura:] Na... not... not...
[Scott:] for my... birthday.
[Raymond:] What you... just a minute, is that... is tomorrow afternoon your... the birthday i... the party or someone elses?
[Laura:] He's going to somebody's party tomorrow.
[Raymond:] Who's party is it tomorrow?
[Laura:] Ross's.
[Raymond:] Ross er, Ross.
[Laura:] Ross's!
[Raymond:] Oh Ross! I see, yeah.
[Scott:] Yeah, but I I'll have a
[Emily:] Granddad!
[Raymond:] Are you going
[Emily:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] to the party?
[Laura:] No.... We're not going.
[Raymond:] What's
[Emily:] No.
[Raymond:] that?
[Scott:] He's a Beetlejuice!
[Laura:] Beetlejuice!
[Raymond:] Beetlejuice? Oh I see, yes, yes!
[Scott:] It's okay he's a
[Raymond:] I know all about that yes!... Oh, they made a film didn't they?
[Laura:] Yeah.
[Scott:] No it's... no we di didn't!
[Laura:] Yeah, you've had
[Raymond:] Did you erm
[Laura:] Beetlejuicee!
[Scott:] No.
[Raymond:] Emily!
[Emily:] What?
[Raymond:] Have you had anyone round?
[Scott:] It was
[Emily:] Yeah, no I went round to somebody's house.
[Raymond:] Who?
[Emily:] Kelly's.
[Raymond:] Kelly! Oh i... are you better now by the way?... What was wrong with you?
[Emily:] I've had terrible Laura had one.
[Scott:] I'll tell you what happened!
[Raymond:] A bug... oh, I know all about Laura, what did you have Laura?
[Scott:] I had...
[Raymond:] Conjuctiv... itus.
[Scott:] Had that
[Emily:] She did have that allergy in her eyes.
[Raymond:] And allergy in your eyes!... Oh well!
[Scott:] I'll go and get the ted down now.
[Emily:] I went round to Kelly's house and I played a computer there... and they could bring
[Raymond:] Oh no!
[Emily:] They
[Raymond:] More computers!
[Scott:] You can get...
[Emily:] till
[Raymond:] Can you?
[Emily:] We were taking
[Scott:] Yeah.
[Emily:] round to, I took round some of my games to play.
[Scott:] Emily's gonna make a new game aren't you?
[Raymond:] Is she?
[Scott:] That game played... when you was here.
[Raymond:] After.
[Emily:] I know [LAUGHTER] you're doing []!
[Raymond:] What?
[Emily:] [LAUGHTER] You're taping our []!
[Scott:] I've got a.
[Emily:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Ahhhh! Now you don't know what to say! I tell you what I'll ask you a few questions.... Scott... Where were
[Scott:] Yeah?
[Raymond:] you born?... What town were you born in?
[Scott:] Mm... Shotten
[Raymond:] Shotten... very good! Do you know what county it's in?
[Scott:] Think, I don't know
[Raymond:] What county it's in.... Clu
[Laura:] Clwyd?
[Raymond:] Laura... where were you born?
[Laura:] Er... Shotten
[Raymond:] Very good!... In Clwyd right.... And how old are you?
[Laura:] Seven.
[Raymond:] That's very good!
[Laura:] And I've been living for seven years! [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]... Living for seven years []! We know that!... Right Emily!
[Emily:] What?
[Raymond:] I know you were born in Shotten... What age are you my love?
[Emily:] I'm was born in Chester!
[Raymond:] Oh!... Caught me out! Okay you've won...
[Emily:] And I... am almost nine.
[Raymond:] Almost nine years.... And what scho, school do you go to?
[Emily:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Hellyessen
[Emily:] Hellyessen
[Raymond:] And who is your teacher? Miss
[Emily:] .
[Raymond:] Miss.... Laura... who is your teacher? Miss
[Laura:] Miss.
[Raymond:] Ooh, it's
[Laura:] Mrs... and Mr
[Raymond:] Ooh Mrs.
[Laura:] .
[Raymond:] Oh two, I see! Now, Scott who is your teacher?
[Scott:] Umm... Mrs
[Raymond:] Umm?
[Scott:] and er Mrs.
[Raymond:] Oh! Who's your favourite out of the two? Who d'you like best of all?
[Scott:] Erm
[Emily:] Miss. [LAUGHTER]
[Scott:] I like Mrs cos she's... she's a bit more nicer than Mrs.
[Raymond:] Is she?
[Scott:] Mm.
[Raymond:] What is your favourite subject?
[Laura:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] What do you like doing best of all.
[Laura:] He says Mrs 's got a big wart there!
[Raymond:] Ooh! [LAUGHTER]
[Emily:] Do I have to do it to the end?
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]... It's going.
[Scott:] It's, it
[Raymond:] Or rather...
[Laura:] Erm
[Raymond:] Then we can.
[Laura:] The.... [LAUGHTER]... You ask him a question.
[Emily:] I'll ask him a question!
[Laura:] Go on then.
[Raymond:] Clock's stopped.
[Scott:] Erm
[Emily:] No, you don't need the!
[Scott:] Oh! [LAUGHTER]
[Emily:] Oh oh!... How old are you?
[Raymond:] Oh well, erm... well erm bu ba ba ba... actually I'm fifty seven... I shall be fifty
[Emily:] Er
[Raymond:] eight next birthday.... But I don't look it!
[Laura:] Yuk!
[Emily:] Right, you're one then.
[Laura:] Erm Where do you live? Where d'you live!
[Raymond:] Buckley... which is in Clwyd.... But... I'm
[Laura:] Oh!
[Raymond:] from Liverpool... long time ago.
[Laura:] Where were you born?
[Raymond:] In Liverpool.
[Carrie:] Don't put that in your mouth!
[Laura:] Oh!
[Carrie:] Have you had a?
[Emily:] Your turn.
[Scott:] Right then... I wanna know... I will! [LAUGHTER]... what, what's the date of your birthday?
[Raymond:] The date I was born, er erm the thirtieth of July... nineteen thirty four.
[Scott:] [LAUGHTER]
[Laura:] [LAUGHTER]
[Scott:] We've got to gather round you now.
[Laura:] [LAUGHTER] []!
[Margaret:] Don't lose that now! Look wait and let me... unless it's there to lose yeah, I mean
[Emily:] What d'you do at work?
[Margaret:] before you get me any more
[Raymond:] Well I don't work now cos I'm retired but
[Margaret:] So er
[Raymond:] I go to college... three days a week... and I do furniture restoration... which is... upholstery... one day... polishing
[Emily:] And what erm
[Raymond:] repairs, things like that you know.
[Emily:] Do you do erm... any housework at home?
[Raymond:] I'll say!... My mummy makes me do lots of housework!
[Laura:] What's your favourite drink?
[Scott:] What?
[Raymond:] Drink?
[Scott:] What's
[Raymond:] Erm... whisky.
[Emily:] What's your favourite
[Laura:] Erm
[Emily:] What's your favourite
[Raymond:] But I don't drink much.
[Laura:] What's your favourite food?
[Emily:] What's your favourite film?
[Raymond:] My favourite food is... oh I don't, er... pasta, Italian food.
[Emily:] And what's your favourite film?
[Laura:] Er, yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh erm... erm... oh I don't know! Erm... I'll say, Richard the third with Laurence Olivier.
[Laura:] Erm
[Raymond:] I love that
[Laura:] Er
[Raymond:] film!
[Laura:] What's your favourite dri... oh, I! Ha what
[Scott:] My favourite film is [LAUGHTER] Beetlejuice []!
[Laura:] [LAUGHTER] We know that []!
[Scott:] I
[Laura:] What's your favourite music?
[Raymond:] Well, I like... Italian opera so I like... maybe... operas by Verdi, people like that you know.
[Laura:] It's my go again!
[Emily:] And
[Laura:] You've had a lot of turns!... What's your favourite clothes?
[Scott:] Wha wha, what did you get at Christmas?
[Raymond:] Ooh I don't... er... socks and erm... after shave and
[Laura:] You got off us.
[Raymond:] what else did I get?
[Scott:] Wha what
[Raymond:] I've forgotten already!... You know
[Emily:] And
[Raymond:] stuff like that.
[Laura:] What's your favourite clothes?
[Scott:] What did Aunty Bonny?
[Raymond:] I've got clothes, they're old ones! I like... casual
[Scott:] What
[Raymond:] clothes.
[Scott:] what did erm... Aunty Bonny get for Christmas?
[Raymond:] Aunty Bonny got... sweater... erm... I don't know, I forget, clothes and
[Scott:] Can we watch?
[Raymond:] And a book.... She got a poetry book.
[Emily:] [LAUGHTER] Well that filled one out []!
[Scott:] Oh!
[Laura:] Yeah, and that's the end.
[Raymond:] Thank you very much!
[Emily:] Thank you very
[Laura:] Thanks!
[Emily:] much.
[Raymond:] Goodbye.
[Emily:] Bye!
[Laura:] Bye!
[Raymond:] Gotta say who you're speaking to love.
[Scott:] Erm
[Carrie:] Have you used
[Raymond:] Mummy
[Carrie:] that lately?
[Raymond:] Say
[Laura:] Mummy.
[Carrie:] Who's.
[Emily:] I'm going to interview you now. How old are you?
[Carrie:] Oh my goodness!... [LAUGHTER] Oh no, you're not supposed say, ask questions []!
[Laura:] I am!
[Margaret:] Twenty one and a bit!
[Carrie:] Okay.
[Scott:] Bi... Where's the gone?
[Emily:] Erm
[Laura:] Let me ask her something.
[Raymond:] ay?
[Laura:] Erm a... what
[Carrie:] Don't get too close to the microphone!
[Laura:] what
[Carrie:] You'll blast them out!
[Laura:] what... you erm... usually wear?... Jumpers.
[Carrie:] Erm... jumpers and trousers...
[Laura:] What do you
[Emily:] That
[Laura:] [shouting] what kind of [] jumper do usually wear?
[Carrie:] Er
[Laura:] What kind of
[Carrie:] this, this jumper that I've got on now, green one.
[Margaret:] Don't hold it in front of your mouth!
[Laura:] And what kind of trousers do
[Margaret:] Don't hold it in front of your mouth!
[Carrie:] Somebody have to get.
[Scott:] What kind of erm... trousers do... do usually wear?
[Emily:] I'll get it!
[Raymond:] Which.
[Carrie:] Er.
[Margaret:] Switch it off now.
[Laura:] Oh she's already go
[Margaret:] Er
[Laura:] Oh!
[Raymond:] What's your name?
[Margaret:] Have you finished?
[Emily:] Only if it's in there.
[Carrie:] Carrie.
[Raymond:] Oh you're Carrie! I've heard all about Carrie!
[Margaret:] Have you?
[Raymond:] Where do you live in, in Shotten
[Carrie:] Yes.
[Margaret:] I can't turn them, mind you can't dilly dally
[Raymond:] I've seen you before have I?
[Margaret:] dally dally dally!
[Raymond:] How old are you then?
[Carrie:] Ten.
[Margaret:] So I as Emily!
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Tall and thin.... I'm looking down the garden that's lovely!
[Carrie:] Great big lawn!
[Raymond:] Hello my little beauty!... What's the matter?... Come on!... Pa pa pa pu!... Come on pet!
[Margaret:] Doesn't want to know you!... Do you pet?... I'm surprised he came to us! When you get out the door he's sort of going the other way!
[Raymond:] Yes I thought... er... you know Paul said he runs off doesn't he?
[Carrie:] But he'd come back, er, now we know he comes back once he's had enough.
[Margaret:] Does he?
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Raymond:] He, oh I see, been had
[Carrie:] About quarter of an hour he said.
[Raymond:] Ah!
[Margaret:] Well I suppose with him going out for walks from here he knows... that
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Margaret:] you know, knows the area.
[Raymond:] And get frightened perhaps?... Yeah, it's just this isn't it? That's the worry, I've this... like
[Margaret:] There's been a few... like him, a few erm... Cavaliers.
[Raymond:] You want to er
[Carrie:] What round here?
[Margaret:] Well there's one down er, Waka drive, and erm, and once we were driving up and I thought ooh it's another... and a King Charles.... Seemed to be different colour, more white than
[Raymond:] You want ask Bob for that er...... when you see him, because... before somebody else gets it.
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Cos he doesn't use it now himself I don't think.... Cos he, you know, he hasn't got the garden... all that
[Carrie:] I thought he might sell it?... Was he not
[Raymond:] Er er er oh!
[Margaret:] I mean, we've been lucky because we've
[Raymond:] He's not bothered!
[Margaret:] er, that farm... down the road from us... er, she came round we bought the
[Raymond:] Mr.
[Margaret:] that sideboard off her and... we were saying about the manure you know, I said, she said ooh come and
[Raymond:] She's lost her dog by the way.
[Margaret:] help yourselves anytime you like!... So we've been down there a few times but I said to you didn't I?
[Raymond:] Very pretty!
[Margaret:] I mean you see it advertised in the paper but no one
[Raymond:] Oh aye!
[Margaret:] will buy it!
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Fifty pence, sixty pence
[Margaret:] Horse manure, I mean it's, and it's really well rotted stuff, it's good you know!
[Raymond:] But she's got this lovely little dog... got two dogs, but this
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] er
[Margaret:] She's got the
[Raymond:] only a year old... disappeared!
[Carrie:] Ah!
[Raymond:] Just over a week ago! She's advertised in all the... local papers and
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] been round the farms... and it was in as well.
[Margaret:] It were them puppies puppies.
[Carrie:] Ah!
[Raymond:] Lovely little thing too wasn't it?
[Carrie:] What was it?
[Raymond:] Lucy.... Er, well I think it was some sort of a
[Margaret:] I think it was a mongrel she got it from the animal rescue
[Raymond:] more sheepdog wasn't it
[Margaret:] but they had
[Raymond:] by the look of it?
[Margaret:] The one that the one that nobody
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER] What you mean somebody would take it []
[Margaret:] Well
[Carrie:] to sell the pups like!
[Margaret:] Well,
[Raymond:] No, but it makes you wonder doesn't it? If
[Carrie:] Pedi breeding.
[Raymond:] cos if
[Carrie:] they're gonna have a cross you wouldn't think would you?
[Raymond:] I wouldn't
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] of thought so.... Said that the erm
[Margaret:] There's a lovely name for it!
[Raymond:] They'd been feeding it down at the... where they give the horses
[Carrie:] Stables
[Raymond:] the stables... show them the stables.... But, I mean, she's been down there and... must be gone now something has, but I said surely she would have heard... from the police if it'd been
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Raymond:] run over.
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] She'd rang the police and... they hadn't heard of any.
[Margaret:] Mind you, I mean... they had... the dog they had before..., got run over.
[Raymond:] He'd never been out on the roads and got killed.
[Margaret:] but they had one... about twelve months ago... also from the animal rescue, it was a lovely little dog!... And we saw it a few times didn't we?... It's very friendly... And it followed us into the lane... several times and then we'd chase it back
[Raymond:] Ooh it was always on the road!
[Margaret:] and the inevitable happened it it got hit... and the next time we saw it it was... it was galloping across the field with it's... one of his front paws
[Raymond:] Broken leg!
[Margaret:] in plaster!
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] And it bloody saunting you know with a little down in front
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Ah ah ha ha!
[Margaret:] with this plaster on... and er
[Raymond:] The next thing it was killed on the main the road!
[Margaret:] he was about he'd got out again
[Raymond:] Yeah!
[Carrie:] Ah!
[Margaret:] she wouldn't chain it up, and it got... hit and killed on the erm... road just outside the Post Office wasn't it?
[Raymond:] But she said that Lucy hadn't gone out.
[Margaret:] No, you didn't... you didn't suggest they
[Raymond:] When, when she fo
[Margaret:] tried to wander
[Raymond:] when she was a pup... or younger... she used to come with us down... you know to the, near enough to the ma
[Margaret:] Mm yeah, the gate.
[Raymond:] red line.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] But then er... in recent times she... stay in the farm so
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Lord knows!... I mean, they steal dogs now don't they, these people?
[Carrie:] Mhm mm.
[Margaret:] Don't know do you.
[Carrie:] Steal you?
[Raymond:] You'd go like a shot mate!
[Margaret:] Mhm mm!
[Raymond:] Oh... I've been called!
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Well once you start
[Carrie:] What are they doing
[Margaret:] Well you, weren't having any of that because er, he's on nights tonight isn't he?
[Raymond:] Ah ho!
[Margaret:] So he won't have it.... Said, oh you weren't in last year when I came were you?
[Carrie:] What, they come on a regular
[Margaret:] Yeah it's... we pay a service
[Raymond:] Six months isn't it?
[Margaret:] charge you see.... No yearly.
[Carrie:] Six months?
[Margaret:] Yearly.
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] I thought it was?
[Margaret:] Yearly.
[Raymond:] Why weren't you in then?
[Margaret:] And erm... he said your neighbour let me in, and I said, oh yeah
[Raymond:] Oh yes.
[Margaret:] he so, seemed to remember.
[Carrie:] What the?
[Margaret:] Can you see that little bit the, no can you see how that... top of that... and...
[Carrie:] Yeah I know... I told them about that!
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Carrie:] I know, I tried to
[Margaret:] Have you got
[Carrie:] close it with the tweezers but it, it was too stiff.
[Margaret:] Haven't you got anything
[Carrie:] I haven't got any pliers, no.
[Margaret:] Oh!... We haven't got any pliers in the boot?
[Raymond:] I said that
[Margaret:] No.
[Raymond:] to you tomorrow.... You said it's a growing up!
[Margaret:] I mean I suppose they've got, I've tried biting it as well, but it's
[Raymond:] Well you
[Carrie:] narf
[Margaret:] Did you?
[Carrie:] hard!
[Raymond:] Don't mess with it
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] you'll ruin it!
[Margaret:] He has... bent that up
[Carrie:] bananas.
[Margaret:] that's why she can't get the screw right down so... and I doubt whether the woman in the shop... will be able to do it, needs a bloke.
[Carrie:] Well, did I not tell you
[Raymond:] Need to push it in.
[Carrie:] we had Ron in?
[Margaret:] No.
[Carrie:] Ooh he looked really... dislocated in it!
[Margaret:] When he was young... Oh!
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] When he wasn't young.
[Carrie:] Well... it was quite a while ago, erm... Christopher Plumber was in it and he looked really young in it, so
[Raymond:] Oh it's erm... he... the Australian attache.
[Carrie:] He's the Australian attache or something isn't he? He's at Australia
[Margaret:] Attache.
[Carrie:] House and he arrest him.
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] Ooh, he still looked nice even though he'd... he had a birth mark round his... nose like, you know.
[Raymond:] Ha!... We
[Carrie:] Still as attractive!... Well.
[Margaret:] Do you want me to hold it while you shoot back in cos we can't.
[Carrie:] No!
[Margaret:] Emily and I will
[Carrie:] It's er, they ought to have, they'll ha, have to... it wants... now I've taken the screw out of the sinks... that has gotta be... put back.
[Margaret:] Changed back.
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Because it's
[Carrie:] I wonder how he's done it is it
[Margaret:] It's forcing the screw at an angle which is why it won't come through.
[Carrie:] When he put one on he sort of and pulls them down, erm... to his ears so that
[Margaret:] His ears go down his head then?
[Raymond:] It's twisted it's
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Raymond:] ... must do it.
[Carrie:] Mm.... As long as they don't charge anything I don't mind.
[Margaret:] They don't charge anything for this, no.
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] Well, I'm saying that... I wo, I don't... suppose with a woman he'd
[Raymond:] Charge fifty P.
[Carrie:] You know if a lens comes off like, one of the mums has said, oh they don't charge anything to put it back in, but I might see if I can erm... charge them.
[Margaret:] Well the thing is the erm... the metal frames, the lenses come out eas, a lot easier, you know... than a plastic.
[Carrie:] But I've
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Carrie:] this is all... one thing is it?
[Raymond:] Yeah, it's it's
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] well the plastics a lot thicker aren't they? Stronger seals
[Margaret:] Something to grip.
[Raymond:] metal is er... I
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] have a with mine
[Margaret:] I see what you mean about this
[Raymond:] wasn't I?... Mine used to just shoot out!
[Carrie:] Well, he's only done it once and that was when it was in a coat pocket and he pulled it out and it sort of must
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Carrie:] hooked around the... perhaps it's not gonna making things like, they haven't... well it's the only and that was a while ago, so... what you have to do mum is [LAUGHTER] I'll tell you what I did last night []... I normally have to hold the arms... while I use tweezers to put it back and then I had to
[Margaret:] To put it in.
[Carrie:] hold it with the tweezers while I screwed it back in.
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] Maybe I should have mentioned that before
[Margaret:] Well don't watch me doing and then you won't
[Carrie:] Oh!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] frustrated []!
[Carrie:] I'll do this er, next year anyway.... [singing] When I met you []
[Margaret:] We wat, did you see that film up, that was on a few... nights ago, some time last week I think?
[Carrie:] At night?
[Margaret:] With er, Dennis Weaver... blocking it.
[Carrie:] Yes, I do remember now, I didn't... erm... I saw the previews and I thought it was OTT like!
[Margaret:] It was quite good actually!
[Carrie:] Was it?
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] When he's in the phone box sliding down... help me! Help me!
[Margaret:] Yeah, well that was, yeah but if you'd seen the film you would of
[Carrie:] That was.
[Margaret:] you would of appreciated it.
[Carrie:] But no
[Margaret:] It wasn't OTT really.
[Carrie:] It wasn't?
[Margaret:] Well I didn't think so, but there you are!
[Emily:] ...
[Carrie:] Well we've done that other one.
[Emily:] Yeah, but me.
[Laura:] Time.
[Raymond:] At home you mean?
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] No!
[Scott:] Dane.
[Margaret:] It's the tape.
[Scott:] It's Terminator two.
[Carrie:] Are we allowed to watch the film?
[Raymond:] Terminator?... Ooh my God! Is it?
[Carrie:] And most of the Terminator
[Raymond:] A game?
[Carrie:] films are
[Margaret:] Can you see Paul's?
[Scott:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] On his video.
[Scott:] Put it in
[Raymond:] No
[Scott:] and soon
[Laura:] And you have to turn the to play it!
[Scott:] You have to turn this
[Raymond:] Have you ha are you able to do your... Scott can you work it?
[Carrie:] Scott
[Scott:] You have to play it.
[Carrie:] this afternoon.
[Laura:] Where's my glasses anyway?
[Margaret:] I'm trying to fix this stuff.
[Carrie:] Oh nanny's fixing them,.
[Margaret:] I'm trying to put the screw back in.
[Laura:] Oh yes.... You might have to take care of these things... or just.
[Carrie:] We haven't yet,.
[Raymond:] Where did you get the Terminator from Em?
[Emily:] Erm, Kelly's.
[Carrie:] Borrowed it off someone.
[Raymond:] Oh I see, Kelly!
[Carrie:] Lend it to.
[Emily:] Hey there's an!
[Carrie:] We haven't had the computer on for ages have we?
[Emily:] No.
[Carrie:] And it's been er... lovely!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Emily:] Except my games are
[Margaret:] Peaceful!
[Emily:] my games are just
[Carrie:] Oh it's peaceful anyway [LAUGHTER] cos you can't have the sound up []!
[Emily:] My games are.
[Carrie:] So dad had a go on it did he?
[Emily:] Yeah, dad had a go on it, it was funny it was!... He nearly
[Raymond:] Do you know how to do it Laura? D'you know
[Margaret:] Was he any good Em?
[Raymond:] work it?
[Emily:] Well
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Emily:] he he went
[Raymond:] What is your favourite one of all these?
[Emily:] he was twenty
[Laura:] Er.
[Emily:] and erm... he hit the
[Margaret:] Did you take your games did you?
[Emily:] He hit the target.
[Raymond:] Oh he's... oh
[Margaret:] Did he?
[Raymond:] course!
[Emily:] You must play it!
[Scott:] Your turn to get out.
[Margaret:] All these blooming experts!
[Emily:] Oh!
[Laura:] Daddy's got to
[Margaret:] Oh got him!
[Laura:] have a try.
[Carrie:] Want me to do it?
[Emily:] Don't know.
[Margaret:] Erm
[Scott:] Is this the one?
[Margaret:] Well trying it this way
[Scott:] I'll find now
[Margaret:] now.
[Emily:] Yeah, I know but it's there.
[Carrie:] Yeah, it's just keeps dropping out when you try and turn it!
[Scott:] Mum, can I have i after one go and then you can go?
[Margaret:] You hold it up
[Laura:] No!
[Margaret:] cos it's so, so tiny
[Raymond:] Ah let him have a go!
[Margaret:] isn't it?
[Laura:] Well I want to put
[Carrie:] I know!
[Laura:] him up the tree!
[Carrie:] That's why I was messing about with the.
[Laura:] It's only a computer anyway!
[Margaret:] Taking it out.
[Carrie:] Taking it out.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER] I sa [].
[Scott:] Mummy, can I have a go first?
[Laura:] I wanna go first!
[Raymond:] Ah don't be so
[Laura:] I'm going first!
[Raymond:] tight!... Poor old Scott hasn't had a go yet!
[Carrie:] Do you need the joystick?
[Scott:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] Now switch the computer on.
[Scott:] Why's this coming down?
[Laura:] Can you use them?
[Carrie:] No, without the joystick in I mean?... Right
[Scott:] Thank you.
[Emily:] Can I go
[Carrie:] No let Emily do it first cos she knows and you also haven't
[Laura:] Yes but I'll find out!
[Carrie:] You haven't got your glasses on love, you won't be able to see the words.
[Laura:] What have you gotta
[Emily:] Right
[Laura:] do, write
[Emily:] te
[Laura:] your name?
[Emily:] Yes,
[Scott:] Then is it me?
[Margaret:] Let Em... suss it out first.
[Raymond:] What game's this one Em?
[Emily:] Terminator two.
[Scott:] That's.
[Raymond:] What is it?
[Emily:] Terminator two.
[Margaret:] Terminator two.
[Raymond:] Terminator number two.
[Carrie:] You know the bottoms that I got with some this... story
[Emily:] I'm going to make it turn.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Carrie:] to the
[Margaret:] Rumpole.
[Carrie:] Rumpole.... But not that I like
[Raymond:] Any good?
[Carrie:] I don't like Rumpole of the Bailey!
[Margaret:] No I don't.
[Carrie:] Only read a bit of it!... Born in Australia was he?
[Raymond:] Why should they be this fierce?
[Scott:] Let me have a little... please?
[Raymond:] Possibly cos... too many of us... or... that we... ah yes!
[Carrie:] There isn't any more, but where's your?
[Raymond:] You learn to live to
[Carrie:] Now...
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Or perhaps I'll
[Carrie:] [shouting] Will you come and sort them out before children []!
[Raymond:] Things don't really matter!... Most women who are attracted to men will verify this... there are many others... the thought of... often make up their mind and some would cringe!... It's true isn't it?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Laura:] Oh what is this?
[Scott:] It's a game.
[Raymond:] Cautious cameramen, there's a sea of faces watching you.
[Carrie:] So what are gonna have?
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] And all your thoughts they're gone!
[Carrie:] Sorry?
[Raymond:] And your voice alters
[Carrie:] I never!
[Raymond:] and it sounds like
[Margaret:] If you can get a
[Raymond:] a ha
[Margaret:] voice out... at all! I mean you hear
[Raymond:] ay?
[Margaret:] it is a stage fright isn't it? Must be!
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Margaret:] But erm
[Raymond:] Can't decide
[Scott:] Nanny!
[Margaret:] but obviously people learn how to... cope with that don't they.... Do you want to clip that thing on your... er
[Raymond:] Yeah.... What
[Margaret:] clothes?
[Raymond:] do you want darling?
[Carrie:] In fact, you've already got... got a new book from er... what's that, Pickwick?
[Scott:] I want half again.
[Carrie:] I got you two easy ones from library... didn't I?
[Raymond:] Oh well she's
[Scott:] I want one of theirs?
[Carrie:] Well they erm Ooh!... Let's have a look.
[Margaret:] Is that a school book isn't it?
[Carrie:] That's Emily's... Grayon Crest
[Emily:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] That is a
[Raymond:] Pick that up!
[Carrie:] this is a school one, yeah, they have to write them in this little
[Scott:] Mum
[Laura:] Erm
[Scott:] what's
[Carrie:] saying comments on how he's reading.
[Scott:] I know.
[Carrie:] Teacher comments isn't it?
[Margaret:] How much are they supposed to do at home?
[Carrie:] Very appalling!
[Margaret:] How much?
[Carrie:] Well they're only supposed to read... one erm... they get one on a... Monday... they take this back on Monday, they have to read it for teacher then they get another one Monday night
[Laura:] He's supposed to be
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Laura:] in goal!
[Carrie:] and they get that one back in Thursday and they read it to teacher, so it's two a week and... up till
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] if we forget them... and then
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] they get a library book as well once a week.
[Emily:] Oh I know this one, you have
[Margaret:] So do you have
[Carrie:] You only hit the dalek!
[Emily:] dalek, yeah.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] ... this one that's granny is the dalek! Mm, that was a bit harder than... oh this dead funny... Doctor Zagel's book of Erpounds... A poundless
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] Oh it doesn't say on this... oh Meg's Car, that was easy!... He can read that one.
[Margaret:] Is that a school one as well?
[Carrie:] No, this a library
[Margaret:] Oh I see.
[Carrie:] Keeps them separately.... Watch out for the wires!
[Margaret:] Oh, it's different!
[Scott:] Can I play with my?
[Carrie:] Yeah you can.
[Margaret:] But you've gotta have it on for half an hour haven't we Scott?
[Carrie:] You've got quarter of an hour left.... And then you put your... your score there.
[Margaret:] Oh I see... mm!
[Carrie:] And your... telephone then... and then you go to... this is gotta to go for the page
[Margaret:] This is got to confirm that they've, they've actually done the reading... at home, yeah?
[Carrie:] Oh right, what you... what you write in the, yeah.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] I thought I had other books?... Mm... put everything up if some things get lost.... Everything's all lab
[Margaret:] Wonderful filing system you've got here!
[Carrie:] or labour!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] All erm... library books and school books have to go on top here if there's no... space to put them.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] And er
[Margaret:] What's happened about that book you lost, did it ever turn up?
[Carrie:] Yes... it was... sandwiched in the back of one of these.
[Margaret:] Oh good heavens!... Cos you searched
[Carrie:] Laura found it
[Margaret:] high and low didn't you?
[Carrie:] One we have them on a... teacher... that's the
[Margaret:] Oh I see!
[Carrie:] and then she
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] comments.... Her comments there.
[Margaret:] Ye so presumably she tests them again after they've
[Carrie:] Yeah, yeah.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] Well that's why I did the other week, when I went into school I was children
[Laura:] Can you help me find Maid Marian book?
[Carrie:] Maid Marian.... Er, here's the... that's got sixth of the third... those are sixth of the third is that yours Scott?
[Laura:] Scott's
[Carrie:] Well he can read that one if he wants.
[Scott:] No!
[Carrie:] Gonna read that one.
[Scott:] No!
[Laura:] Yeah, let me see, it's Maid Marion.
[Margaret:] Is that one of your favourites is it?
[Scott:] Can I take that plaster off that one?
[Laura:] Yeah.
[Scott:] Can you look in the
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Scott:] cloth?
[Carrie:] No! You can't take your plaster off! [shouting] Didn't you hear what I said []?
[Scott:] Can I just look at that?
[Margaret:] Another fifteen minutes and then you can take it off.
[Scott:] I wanna see it.
[Margaret:] Anyway... it's certainly helping with what your mummy said.
[Raymond:] Come on and boy, get stuck in!
[Margaret:] There is a oh I... I take it he's gotta go for another assessment then has he... for
[Carrie:] Yeah, they go every... he's gotta go in
[Margaret:] So
[Carrie:] in June. When did he
[Margaret:] A
[Carrie:] go for the last, before Christmas that was six months.
[Margaret:] How long has he had er
[Scott:] Mum, I can't see!
[Margaret:] that... the plaster now?
[Carrie:] Now? Till ten past four.
[Scott:] Mum, I can't see!
[Emily:] Well stop doing that Scott!
[Margaret:] No, I mean, you know, from when you first... when they, they told you he had
[Carrie:] Oh how long has he's been wearing for?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] It was at er... February was it?... Or the end of Ja, then end of January, it's only about
[Laura:] Can I watch,
[Carrie:] to wear, it's six
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] months nearly.
[Margaret:] And what do they do, give him another eye test
[Emily:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] ?
[Carrie:] That's what, yeah.... She jus... she does this and
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] Well I don't have
[Laura:] Right, show how to
[Carrie:] go this.
[Emily:] You have to get past the box.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Emily:] Ah, which nearly
[Margaret:] And er, but shines the light in his eyes and he has to look up
[Scott:] You have to stop my chair!
[Carrie:] That's okay!
[Scott:] Paper!
[Emily:] I'll try it again.
[Scott:] You don't have to over the rocks! Why the cliffs
[Laura:] I want
[Scott:] It's
[Margaret:] This looks like the same tape as... Uncle Pauls... erm... is it?
[Emily:] go like this.
[Margaret:] Yes, it is, I remember this.
[Emily:] I'll never get onto level two.
[Carrie:] It's awfully quiet this! Did they turn the volume off?
[Margaret:] Mm, yes.... Oh the reading you mean?
[Laura:] Have you got any peoples?
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Emily:] Yeah.
[Scott:] But my face is
[Laura:] What?
[Scott:] ! It's okay.
[Carrie:] No, go wash your face!
[Margaret:] And granddad's reading.
[Scott:] No I wanted you to get
[Carrie:] Go on.
[Scott:] something like drawing!
[Carrie:] No!... No!
[Scott:] Cos I want to draw a picture.
[Carrie:] Right... put it down!... Come on you've only got ten minutes to go!... Right!
[Margaret:] He is Australian isn't he?
[Raymond:] Oh, it's stuck to my knee!
[Carrie:] Mm.... That one.
[Raymond:] Erm... the old man
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] died as, whatever... and they went to his eldest brother... he said he had to burn all because he only lived in a small flat, he and his wife and two children and they'd got no room for them to... so he had to burn them.
[Margaret:] Good God!
[Carrie:] Turn it on that.
[Laura:] I've gotta.
[Carrie:] ... Emily!
[Raymond:] Game of the hard and friendly!
[Carrie:] If you're not gonna sit straight then hold on to the computer!
[Margaret:] Yes, you can't imagine it really! Ca how old is he?
[Scott:] Can I do it mummy?
[Raymond:] About seventy now I should think.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] He came here in forty six.
[Margaret:] Mm, as did many others I suppose.... After the war.
[Carrie:] Weee! Clang!... Ha!
[Scott:] Weee!
[Raymond:] To his dad, they went back to... Berlin in nineteen seventy for a visit cos his mum was in a home which
[Carrie:] Oh I know when to stop, I've got er
[Raymond:] fortunately they'd been able to pay for... by the.
[Emily:] Aha!
[Raymond:] And some wore black pants to bed cos they didn't recognise them!
[Margaret:] Ah!
[Raymond:] And she died just afterwards.
[Margaret:] Well he hadn't seen her for many years?
[Raymond:] In a home, but senile
[Margaret:] Ah.
[Carrie:] Stop!
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Scott:] But mummy... can I take this
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Scott:] off?...
[Carrie:] Nearly, nearly, nearly!... Couple more minutes.
[Emily:] But he wants to do it doesn't he?
[Carrie:] That's right, yeah.... Once this finished.
[Margaret:] I suppose really he's... he's had success... late in his life hasn't he?
[Raymond:] Oh yeah!
[Margaret:] Yeah.... You know, I don't remember him years ago.
[Raymond:] No, I...
[Margaret:] Not a on anything.
[Raymond:] Couple of small and film of it er
[Margaret:] I er, I suppose he's been more of a stage
[Raymond:] He's never been top.
[Margaret:] actor really... in er
[Raymond:] Yeah, I think he did... er, Rumpole was... put him in the big time really.
[Margaret:] The big league.
[Raymond:] Good actor though.
[Margaret:] Yes he is good actor.
[Carrie:] ... [LAUGHTER] oh no, not the []!...
[Margaret:] So do er... does he say he does a lot of public speaking now or, or not?
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] He's just
[Raymond:] Fakes it!
[Margaret:] Oh I see.
[Raymond:] no, you know, he's not er... trying desperately to be humorous I think
[Margaret:] Mm. Mm.
[Raymond:] totally... fakes it and that!
[Margaret:] Yeah.... Well it's one thing to t... to talk amongst your friends I suppose, and another one to be... you know... spontaneous when you're in front of a... huge... crowd of people.... And especially as you say... to be humorous.... Some people are naturally like that though aren't they? Outgoing and er
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] good recollections of erm... and even events that aren't necessarily... really funny but... can be funny... you know, on the way tha, in the way that they're being told.... As they say, you had to be there.
[Carrie:] Very good!
[Scott:] But when's the?
[Carrie:] Well I told you, the... his arms had gone like that.
[Scott:] Ooh!
[Carrie:] If I pull my jumper off like that... be like that dresses.... Right!... What does she say?
[Scott:] Go
[Carrie:] Good.
[Scott:] Good.
[Carrie:] Remember what she says.
[Scott:] Go
[Laura:] Heavily... good....
[Carrie:] Really?
[Scott:] Move them animals, yeah....
[Margaret:] Short cuts on the
[Carrie:] Super scrolls... and he told us where you get them.... Through hours of playing it himself!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... Trial and error!
[Carrie:] But, oh I told you that erm... and I'm putting them faster... tried his injection.
[Margaret:] Well is it broken?
[Carrie:] And I'm the one with.... No he's... arthritis hasn't he?
[Margaret:] Oh that's right, yes.
[Carrie:] Mm.... He don't have to run.
[Margaret:] So wha
[Carrie:] to the bottom of the
[Margaret:] so wha... are they giving him steroids or something like
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Margaret:] that?
[Carrie:] Cortisone injections to se
[Margaret:] Cortisone, Mm.
[Carrie:] to see what there is
[Scott:] I mean, she'll be first!... Did you only play one game?
[Margaret:] So... is he improved or
[Carrie:] Last out... [LAUGHTER] that's what I say mum, it's
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Carrie:] get them []!
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Carrie:] There's not many people at the school, and I go to school and they get a load of many off people like, for the catalogue and the
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] and what have you, and people are... giving me money left, right and centre and kids are coming out, telling me, saying don't forget!...
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] half the time!... If there's money to make, Reg!
[Margaret:] Well, I mean indirectly I suppose.
[Carrie:] Actually, I got sixteen pound commission so far, and I got some more people...
[Margaret:] Oh that's quite good!
[Carrie:] so... I might have the three pound first week... had erm...
[Margaret:] This week?
[Carrie:] Yeah.... Three pounds I get for... running it.
[Scott:] Mummy!
[Carrie:] A small pound though.
[Margaret:] I thought you meant you got it at Christmas time an
[Carrie:] Oh no, you get a free one... for introducing people, so this
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Carrie:] this is quite good!... You know, and... er, there was sachet called Me and the teatime and
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Carrie:] soap.... Oh, I like them in the.... Now the plaster!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... She's anxious to show me this pasty that she's made.
[Carrie:] , are they all cooking fun?... Thank you Laura.... Emily's on about doing er... hostess badge which they have to make cake
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] and brownies and er
[Margaret:] Mhm.
[Carrie:] cakes at home... erm... what else have you gotta do? Oh they gotta do a... table... flower arrangements.
[Margaret:] Are all the children sort of, working... at the same level together or
[Carrie:] First one is, [LAUGHTER] if they want []!
[Margaret:] Oh I see.
[Carrie:] I think they're gonna do the ramblers one together cos then they'll go for a walk together.
[Margaret:] Cos they we the... woods I suppose?
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Laura:] Mummy?
[Carrie:] What love?
[Laura:] Can you get the?
[Carrie:] ... which one has a... [shouting] I I
[Laura:] Yes.
[Carrie:] said that was it didn't I []?
[Scott:] That
[Carrie:] Yeah, and now! Otherwise we'll blow
[Margaret:] Your getting hooked!
[Carrie:] the telly up!
[Margaret:] Getting hooked on that Scott!
[Carrie:] Which are the books, said?
[Scott:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] Or Sammy the Dinosaur?
[Margaret:] What's that?
[Scott:] Mummy!... Mummy!... Can, can
[Carrie:] Sammy the Dinosaur?
[Scott:] can you get... can you read
[Carrie:] Which, what's it called?
[Scott:] I dunno!
[Laura:] Mummy! Can you read
[Carrie:] I dunno, oh well that's a good title!
[Laura:] Mummy, can you read a... nana that... pound thing?
[Carrie:] Oh you can show nana the one.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Laura:] Why?
[Carrie:] Nana can read it can't she?... See
[Laura:] That
[Carrie:] At the back of the
[Laura:] A
[Margaret:] Oh yes!
[Carrie:] Do I need my glasses on for this book?
[Scott:] Mummy
[Carrie:] Yep!
[Margaret:] Can you read this
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Margaret:] read me this book?
[Laura:] I'll show you the pictures in it.
[Raymond:] ... out!
[Carrie:] Feed time... about
[Margaret:] Right, go on.
[Carrie:] quarter to five, something like that.
[Laura:] It is funny!
[Margaret:] Is it?
[Laura:] Mm.
[Carrie:] Well we lasso granddad around the legs!
[Margaret:] I take it you've read this before then have you?
[Laura:] No, my mummy read it to me.
[Emily:] Are we going out or something?
[Laura:] Right, I'm ready.
[Margaret:] Good, can you... can you read this at the bottom?
[Carrie:] I said that was can, yeah.
[Laura:] No, I can't read any at the bottom.
[Carrie:] Do you wanna take your tape
[Margaret:] You must know some of these words?
[Laura:] Mm.... I don't know some of the word.
[Margaret:] What's that word there then?
[Raymond:] Ah!
[Margaret:] Wa
[Laura:] No.
[Margaret:] Wa
[Carrie:] Cos I'm sick of this business!
[Margaret:] We
[Laura:] We
[Margaret:] We... [LAUGHTER]... It's good isn't it?
[Carrie:] It's so true of some of the no, some of the things they do!... Going in the... the new horn it says.
[Margaret:] To find out which is which, hold a sausage at both ends!
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []!
[Margaret:] That looks like our Muffin doesn't it?
[Laura:] Mm.
[Carrie:] Wally's had his haircut!
[Margaret:] He's like that bu,po Wally's had his haircut now so you can see which
[Carrie:] Does he
[Margaret:] end is which.
[Carrie:] You didn't laugh at him did you?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... I know, he's quite sensitive []!
[Carrie:] ... I know.
[Margaret:] When he's had a haircut.
[Scott:] Ah! Ha! Ha!
[Margaret:] What on earth got on his foot? Oh no, it's a slipper with two holes, [LAUGHTER] a thin and long pink flannel []!... That's his tongue isn't it?
[Carrie:] See what they do with a long pink flannel?
[Margaret:] Mm.... Oh dear!... [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] They don, they don't know!
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Carrie:] They don't understand!... on the dog.
[Margaret:] [reading children's book] Dogs which I can see and the icicles of... of Ercalyps we are not looking [].
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER] Ercalyps
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Ercalyps
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [reading] Ercans can stand on four legs... or three legs, or two legs
[Carrie:] No, not in the garden Emily!
[Margaret:] they can jump as high as roast pig []!
[Emily:] Why won't?
[Carrie:] Kelly.
[Margaret:] Have you ever had any of Doctor Zeuss books?
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Ah Jim... oh they're
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] lov... hilarious!
[Carrie:] There's not so, so many about, I used to love those!
[Margaret:] Oh, I thought they were great them!
[Carrie:] Even when I was older!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] I used to get Doctor Zeuss
[Scott:] [shouting] Hey Kelly []!
[Emily:] Can I just go down the shops, Kelly and me are just going get something?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] Okay yes.
[Emily:] Could of got the caravan.
[Margaret:] Ena, they're good pictures aren't they?... Look at the cat singing
[Scott:] Oh!
[Margaret:] with the soldier!
[Carrie:] Go and get some
[Laura:] Yeah, and look at that snow
[Carrie:] for Jackie.
[Emily:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Jackie who? Oh Jackie!
[Carrie:] You know Jackie, yeah, she wasn't gonna write again was she?
[Margaret:] Oh she
[Carrie:] At last, I I got a letter!
[Margaret:] Ah!... How's she getting on?
[Carrie:] She's not living in Plymouth... as, she was gonna be... but at the last minute they found a flat for her... and
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] in Hamilford where her mum and dad are... so she's
[Margaret:] Oh s
[Carrie:] in this... er... first floor flat which she says is quite nice.
[Margaret:] Oh good!
[Carrie:] It's all decorated!
[Margaret:] So is she sort of settling down there now is she?
[Carrie:] Yes, so she says... think that
[Scott:] it now.
[Carrie:] we should go
[Scott:] No.
[Carrie:] move down there.
[Margaret:] That's silly isn't it?
[Carrie:] Mum!
[Scott:] Look at that!
[Margaret:] Oh sh, oh you've had an invite have you?
[Carrie:] Well no, to live! She said the people
[Margaret:] To live?
[Carrie:] in come and live down here
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Scott:] Look at that!
[Carrie:] she'd gone back there
[Margaret:] Look at that!
[Carrie:] to be near her parents and she's
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] gonna meet them here.
[Margaret:] Yes, you'd be moving away from yours then wouldn't you?
[Scott:] Look at that!
[Margaret:] But we would miss you, you know!
[Scott:] Look at that, he has to catch
[Margaret:] Let's find it though, has to fetch it.
[Emily:] Do you want me to post the
[Margaret:] Mm. Have you seen this book granddad?
[Scott:] Look at that!
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] It's quite funny!... Funny pictures!
[Emily:] Can I watch a tape!
[Scott:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Sorry?
[Carrie:] Wanna watch
[Raymond:] What kind?
[Margaret:] a tape?
[Carrie:] I dunno! Haven't got a clue!
[Raymond:] What he's got?
[Emily:] You look in that.
[Scott:] Ooh!
[Carrie:] Probably don't wanna,
[Margaret:] He's back isn't he? In the past!
[Scott:] Yeah.... There is not a.
[Carrie:] Jason and Argonauts
[Scott:] It's a... it's erm
[Margaret:] Oh no! Oh no, new cow pats! Oh dear oh dear!
[Scott:] He
[Carrie:] watch that
[Raymond:] Good God!
[Carrie:] one it's a
[Margaret:] That's, that's true that, that's what they do, they like rolling in all the mess in the
[Carrie:] Moo Holes
[Margaret:] fields.
[Carrie:] it says [LAUGHTER] there []!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] Superman.
[Margaret:] Ah no!
[Carrie:] Mel Gibson in the
[Margaret:] And getting in the bag as well!
[Carrie:] Mutiny on the... t Bounty.
[Margaret:] No, I'm not desperate to watch the tapes, really Carrie.
[Scott:] Look,!
[Laura:] [shouting] I want to []!
[Carrie:] You want to?
[Laura:] Take one of those.
[Scott:] Yeah!
[Margaret:] Yeah, oh well put one on
[Scott:] One of those.
[Margaret:] for
[Scott:] I wanna watch... at
[Carrie:] Fantasia.
[Scott:] Look, look!
[Carrie:] watching these, I'm not taking that one!
[Margaret:] Have you seen that? Have you watched that Fantasia?
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Are you gonna do it?... Some bits are
[Scott:] Look
[Raymond:] good but...
[Scott:] and when he's got quite clean!
[Carrie:] It's
[Margaret:] He's goes and does it again! I know, that's... absolutely true that!
[Raymond:] Urgh yucky!
[Margaret:] That's just what doggies do!
[Carrie:] This one again!
[Scott:] Look!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Scott:] Little baby one!
[Carrie:] each other.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Oh []!
[Raymond:] Gee! God alive!
[Carrie:] No, I'm going to take care of this thing.
[Raymond:] It's all the bloody... stories as
[Carrie:] It'll be alright on the night!
[Scott:] And they get out!
[Raymond:] Mm.... That is the end of today's lesson.
[Carrie:] Nearly eleven.... As it happens
[Scott:] Look, they've all gone
[Carrie:] which I'm
[Margaret:] You are all good and kind and when you visit
[Raymond:] Ooh, I tell you what I've missed erm
[Margaret:] Planet Earth to play with a real Hanglet
[Raymond:] Erm... ninety P
[Carrie:] I watch
[Raymond:] no, not the magic
[Margaret:] That's a
[Carrie:] Yeah I
[Margaret:] funny one isn't it?
[Carrie:] watched it!
[Raymond:] Barber of Seville.
[Scott:] They're all getting their.
[Carrie:] So you see I watched that.
[Margaret:] Oh good!
[Carrie:] I've taped over it now.... Sorry!
[Raymond:] Tito Gobbin
[Margaret:] Tito Gobbin is on tomorrow afternoon.
[Carrie:] I don't know, the
[Scott:] Look!
[Carrie:] feller who was... Figaro was
[Margaret:] Ooh that looks like an elephant
[Carrie:] Tito Gobbin
[Margaret:] doesn't it?
[Raymond:] But I tried
[Scott:] Yeah look at
[Raymond:] over the rigs... cheap... yeah.
[Carrie:] Yes.
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Carrie:] But it, it would make you feel, I should think that you, yeah, the lips were
[Margaret:] [reading book] Those of you who want to bring your pets along, please sit in the back of the space ship... [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] He was good and then er
[Margaret:] And that's his cat is it?
[Raymond:] Yeah, he's got a lovely voice, Tito Gobbin
[Scott:] Yeah, mm.
[Margaret:] Gracious me!
[Scott:] And that er
[Raymond:] I was the one
[Carrie:] Well the feller feller
[Margaret:] Looks like a pterodactyl that doesn't it?
[Scott:] Yeah, it's got a tail.
[Margaret:] And there's the there look
[Carrie:] Yeah, well I've got
[Raymond:] A tenor.
[Carrie:] wasn't it?
[Scott:] Yeah and it
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] except it's got a tail. on the terms.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... pterodactyl with a tail!
[Carrie:] What was the girl? What's her name?
[Margaret:] They might of had tails you don't know!
[Carrie:] He's got a very high... high notes
[Raymond:] Don er... Alvio is it?
[Margaret:] Sorry?... What was that?
[Raymond:] What was Alvio
[Carrie:] The one she's in love with.
[Raymond:] Don Alvar
[Carrie:] A
[Raymond:] Alvario
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Scott:] But we'll leave that one
[Raymond:] Rosita.
[Scott:] out.
[Margaret:] Mm.... Is that a
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] school book or
[Raymond:] Doctor
[Margaret:] a library book?
[Scott:] A library book.
[Margaret:] A library book, oh.
[Raymond:] Yeah, the feller with hat.
[Carrie:] Giovanno.
[Raymond:] The Bar sol
[Scott:] But this is belong to school.
[Margaret:] Mm, yes.
[Raymond:] You be careful with it!
[Scott:] It is funny!
[Raymond:] Ooh, you know one.
[Margaret:] Yes, it's a very funny one that yeah!
[Raymond:] There's many years, I saw that film about nineteen fifty two
[Scott:] We, we used to have one at our school.
[Raymond:] or something like that!
[Scott:] Erm
[Carrie:] Yeah, I know.
[Scott:] about humans.
[Raymond:] Tito Gobbin
[Scott:] And
[Raymond:] Of course
[Carrie:] But the bit when he's finished that...
[Raymond:] Vargo
[Carrie:] we were singing that in the bathroom the other day [singing]
[Raymond:] Vargo passotho
[Carrie:] ... yes
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] da da da da da
[Raymond:] Mmmm.
[Carrie:] da da [].
[Scott:] Can I do this to you?
[Carrie:] And he's singing it and he's going like this
[Margaret:] No you don't have to... keep moving it about.
[Carrie:] [singing] dee dee dee dee dee [].... Figaro come here... Figaro, no there.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] [yawn] Figaro here, Figaro up, Figaro down... joo soo
[Carrie:] But they didn't with the
[Scott:] What's your favourite video game?
[Carrie:] the barbers weren't just barbers then were they? They used to do er
[Raymond:] I don't like video games Scott! I hate them!
[Carrie:] I believe you when I
[Scott:] Erm er... what's
[Carrie:] erm... he doesn't just
[Scott:] What's
[Carrie:] cut hair does he, and shave people he... there's a
[Raymond:] Oh it is
[Carrie:] don't they? And they're like doctors
[Margaret:] Well they're, yeah.... They're like surgeons.
[Raymond:] Well he's
[Margaret:] the barber
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] was a surgeon in those days.
[Scott:] What's your favourite cartoon?
[Carrie:] I'm just gonna go down and get some eggs cos I forgotten them.
[Raymond:] I don't like cartoons.
[Margaret:] And granddad
[Scott:] Erm
[Margaret:] doesn't like computers... and he doesn't like
[Raymond:] I used to like Tom and Jerry.
[Scott:] And what's your favourite
[Carrie:] will you have an egg?
[Scott:] old film?
[Raymond:] Oh er... favourite film, what's my favourite film then?
[Margaret:] What's your fa, oh!
[Raymond:] Oh I know, Twelve Angry Men.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah he he []
[Scott:] Oh!
[Margaret:] that's a good one!
[Raymond:] That's a smasher that is!... With Henry Fonda.
[Scott:] Mm, er... What's your favourite
[Raymond:] What's your favourite film?
[Scott:] one out of Hans Christian And
[Margaret:] Anderson.
[Raymond:] Oh erm... [singing] The king is in the altogether, and altogether and a [], that's all I know the words.... Nana's better at the words than I am... I forget them!
[Scott:] mm.
[Margaret:] Favourite song in it.
[Raymond:] Favourite song.
[Margaret:] Mm.... Oh, that's granddad, you know that one don't you?
[Raymond:] Or a
[Scott:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Copenhagen is it?... Wonderful wonderful Copenhagen or.
[Scott:] What d'you like doing in the middle of the day?
[Raymond:] Oh, heavens!
[Margaret:] I think he's asleep now!
[Raymond:] Well I like reading.
[Scott:] We've got that on tape when you said oh heavens!
[Raymond:] Oh erm... and
[Scott:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] quite often I'm doing my... furniture work which I like doing, making furniture... or repairing furniture.... I like that!
[Scott:] What d'you do in the middle of the day?
[Margaret:] Just had that!
[Raymond:] You've just asked me that, and I've told you!... Middle of the day!
[Scott:] Well what d'you do in the morning then?
[Raymond:] Sometimes I do some gardening, I take the dogs for walk... which I like doing... and then help nana all the time... cos she's
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] she has never got much energy in the morning as you know!
[Scott:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Not very communicative in the morning really.
[Raymond:] She doesn't like ta, I like to listen
[Margaret:] Well I don't fall asleep
[Raymond:] Scott!
[Margaret:] at eight o'clock at night for two hours and then go
[Raymond:] No!
[Margaret:] to bed to and sleep the rest of the night!
[Raymond:] Three o'clock.... The afternoon... er... I like to get up in the morning... I like to talk and sing... be happy!
[Scott:] Ee
[Raymond:] And sometimes... listen to the birds... you know, the birds start early don't they? Especially in Spring.
[Margaret:] Well it doesn't belong to us.
[Raymond:] ... but lately... we can't
[Laura:] You now.... What is your
[Margaret:] See them?
[Laura:] favourite video game?
[Margaret:] He would cackle like mad that I eat roll I mean I'm not
[Emily:] My favourite?... My favourite video game is Quest.
[Laura:] And... what
[Carrie:] Quest?
[Laura:] what d'you
[Emily:] Yeah.
[Laura:] usually do in the middle of the day?
[Emily:] I dunno!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Emily:] Well... just lie down and... [LAUGHTER] have a little snore []!... [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] Listen, you could have gone up to Wedford Park today you know, they had erm... they had all the children up there and they were doing an... a barbecue... in the woods.
[Emily:] What?
[Carrie:] Well it's not a very nice day for it is it?... But er
[Emily:] Pool?
[Carrie:] It was in the paper yesterday, it said
[Laura:] Usually go up there
[Carrie:] all the children are invited... you had to take your own food there
[Emily:] Why?
[Carrie:] of course.... Well you supposed to take your own food.... Be nice to go up there in the summer time won't it?
[Emily:] !
[Scott:] Yeah, they used to have festivals.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Laura:] You say yes.
[Margaret:] What?
[Laura:] Go on.
[Raymond:] What d'you want me to say Scott?
[Scott:] Go on!
[Raymond:] Balmoral you can't say!
[Laura:] [LAUGHTER]
[Scott:] [LAUGHTER] Oh look... you've shut your []!
[Laura:] [LAUGHTER]... Yeah!
[Raymond:] Oh you're ever so noisy Scott!
[Laura:] He was telling you to
[Raymond:] You're ever so noisy!
[Laura:] He was telling me to say bum!
[Raymond:] Ah! ha ha!
[Scott:] [LAUGHTER]
[Laura:] [LAUGHTER]
[Scott:] Yes.... If we could get Laura saying... nasty words to me on this tape!... Go on, say a nasty word to me!... [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] I don't think it's meant
[Laura:] [LAUGHTER] You're fa []
[Margaret:] for that Scott!... I'm sure it isn't!
[Laura:] Sometimes when
[Emily:] Stop it Scott!
[Raymond:] Ay! Laura, I was gonna ask you, what about m
[Laura:] It's Emily's
[Raymond:] Oh!... Well
[Margaret:] Emily's
[Raymond:] ah!
[Carrie:] Gone in the pub, could've have asked him.
[Emily:] When did you go the shop?
[Margaret:] Haven't seen him coming out of the car.
[Raymond:] What's happened to the rabbit tent?
[Emily:] Have you been down
[Raymond:] You know the
[Emily:] to the shop?
[Raymond:] the schools.
[Margaret:] The one you minded during the summer hols.
[Carrie:] at last!
[Scott:] Yeah... that rabbit
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Scott:] from Emily's school!
[Carrie:] We know it
[Margaret:] Have you recovered from your
[Raymond:] Probably made rabbit pie or something did you?
[Carrie:] Oh yes, yeah. Hey, you know what we were... we were doing wrong?
[Margaret:] What?
[Carrie:] Was
[Scott:] Yes, yes, yeah, yes, yes.
[Raymond:] Not feeding it!
[Scott:] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[Carrie:] No, you're not supposed to give them loads of veg! Just supposed to have That's why it had the runs!
[Raymond:] on the tape.
[Emily:] I hear you do it to me!
[Margaret:] Being silly!
[Raymond:] He told me to say... end.
[Laura:] [LAUGHTER] He told me []
[Raymond:] Coerce means the same.
[Laura:] [LAUGHTER] [shouting] He told me to say bum!
[Raymond:] That's ladies gonna give me the cane when she hears that! She'll say
[Carrie:] Calm down!
[Raymond:] come here big man what did you say on the
[Carrie:] Hey, Scott have you negotiated a percentage?
[Scott:] Why?
[Raymond:] Argh!... It's alright, listen.
[Carrie:] For your appearance on there.
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Carrie:] What did he say? Something like, he's got the Ghostbuster bag?... And when the girl was er
[Emily:] Take your thumbs off the telly!
[Carrie:] had this lady coming round to see the, do you think somebody will buy my Ghostbuster bag? Cos I'd cleaned it up the other day cos it had mildew on the bottom of it!
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Raymond:] Could you move your
[Carrie:] So I goes what? I said, you think
[Raymond:] The lady only wants conversation.
[Carrie:] I said you go to somebody's house
[Scott:] [shouting] Who is it []?
[Carrie:] you know, we'd told
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []!
[Carrie:] Please buy it somebody!
[Margaret:] Pinning, pinning his hopes on a sale!
[Raymond:] Oh sorry Carrie, I hope we're not... putting you to too much trouble are we here? I mean
[Carrie:] No, no!
[Raymond:] Bit of a damned cheek isn't it, ay?
[Carrie:] You know... nice
[Margaret:] What?
[Carrie:] quiet house!
[Margaret:] It wasn't pre-arranged was it?
[Scott:] Mummy there's a cat coming in our house!
[Carrie:] Oh don't bring a cat in love!... She's
[Scott:] Come on!
[Carrie:] anyway!
[Scott:] [shouting] []!
[Carrie:] Scratching hell out of Emma!
[Scott:] Come on! Come on! Nanny's in!
[Carrie:] No, no I don't like that one anyway!
[Scott:] Yeah!
[Margaret:] What's happened to the dog that was across the road, that
[Carrie:] Oh, Luka?
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] I think they must of sold it, she's had another baby the, that girl....!
[Margaret:] She's had a baby and sold the dog!
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []!
[Scott:] Sam
[Margaret:] He was a lovely do... who's Sam?
[Scott:] Granddad look! Sam the little
[Carrie:] Sam, if you don't
[Scott:] dog!
[Raymond:] Wey!
[Carrie:] dog you know the one with the?
[Margaret:] The ones at the end of the road?
[Carrie:] Mm.... That little.
[Margaret:] The one that kept that getting out when the wall got knocked down or something?
[Carrie:] Oh no, not the... her, not Phoebe no!
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Carrie:] Erm... the feller with the... big teeth and the three wheeler car down there. He used to have like,le... it was a bit Luka
[Scott:] You sit in
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] but smaller.
[Scott:] your couch.
[Carrie:] Lovely dog!
[Margaret:] Well what happened?
[Carrie:] Well it's been er
[Raymond:] That's right, yeah, but I've gotta
[Carrie:] put down cos it was old!
[Raymond:] Could I take it home with me?
[Margaret:] Oh it was old was it?
[Carrie:] And they got... a little
[Scott:] You've already had it once!
[Carrie:] Jack Russell they've got now I think.... It is a Jack Russell.
[Scott:] You can have our couch though.
[Margaret:] Mm
[Laura:] Yeah!
[Margaret:] I used to like that old dog cos he... he u... he, often used to come
[Carrie:] Although he frightened a few old ladies though!... And he'd run up to you and bark, you know and er... he was playing but she didn't realise.
[Margaret:] Oh, he never barked at me!
[Laura:] Mummy!
[Carrie:] No!
[Scott:] I don't remember any dog!
[Margaret:] Actually I thinks I think I sort of, won a friend because I'm sure... that day that we got the groceries and I bought bones for the dogs didn't I?
[Carrie:] Oh!
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] And... they disappeared, and I'm almost certain I dropped them outside here... and
[Carrie:] Oh I re I don't remember this.
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Carrie:] While we were shopping.
[Margaret:] And er... if that was the case then... then
[Carrie:] Sheila wo... Sheila used to give him a bone so maybe he thought
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] She used to throw down.
[Margaret:] Probably thought it was Christmas when he found those!
[Laura:] ... in a minute!
[Carrie:] Right, have you got anything to show mummy, any work that you've done lately or... any?
[Margaret:] Any nice pictures?
[Scott:] No!
[Carrie:] Warts or
[Laura:] Yeah!
[Carrie:] anything?
[Margaret:] Warts!
[Carrie:] Oh yeah!
[Emily:] Laura!
[Carrie:] I thought
[Laura:] I haven't
[Carrie:] you'd done
[Margaret:] What's that?
[Laura:] I haven't written in it, I've only written a little
[Margaret:] The... the what? The
[Laura:] Ponies.
[Margaret:] The Ponies pony.
[Laura:] The Ponies Parties!
[Scott:] The Ponies Parties!
[Margaret:] Oh it's parties? I haven't got my glasses on have I? Yeah.
[Scott:] This is
[Carrie:] The Pony pony.
[Scott:] a book for Maisy by S... Me... a book for Maisy for Scott.
[Carrie:] No, I just.
[Margaret:] Oh I see, you've just started this one have you?
[Scott:] No, if you it's from school!
[Margaret:] Oh I see.... So
[Scott:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] is it finished? Have you done something on every page?
[Scott:] Yes.
[Margaret:] Mm mm.
[Scott:] It's finished.
[Margaret:] What the devil's this?
[Scott:] It's slimer.
[Margaret:] Oh dear! Yes.... A slimer!
[Scott:] Yeah, and that's a ghost.
[Margaret:] Aha.... Anything else?
[Scott:] I haven't much one on the
[Margaret:] Oh that's i... you haven't done that have you?
[Scott:] Yeah, I did.... I'm, I'm not
[Margaret:] That's good that!
[Scott:] showing you the last one!
[Margaret:] Why? Is it
[Scott:] It's horrible!
[Margaret:] It's a horrible one is it?
[Scott:] Yeah!
[Margaret:] Would I be frightened?
[Scott:] Well, it is quite, it's a horrible looking in the Beetlejuice!
[Margaret:] Really?... Worse than that?
[Scott:] Yeah!
[Margaret:] Oh! I we, well I don't wanna be frightened so I'd better not have a look at it!
[Scott:] I'll show granddad.
[Carrie:] You got your bags?
[Scott:] But don't peep then!
[Margaret:] Mm... well you better warn him first!
[Laura:] Granddad, the made a red one.
[Margaret:] Oh great! I can't wait for that!
[Carrie:] What was the use of this word marry in all the
[Scott:] It's the ghost!
[Carrie:] ?
[Scott:] I didn't want... nana
[Raymond:] However
[Scott:] nan to see it.
[Carrie:] And in Shakespeare's
[Raymond:] However
[Margaret:] Erm
[Carrie:] So marry in.
[Margaret:] No, no, they say
[Raymond:] Marry is
[Margaret:] marry will you... erm, I don't know! How wo
[Raymond:] It's just
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER] I kept thinking somebody was getting married []!
[Raymond:] No, no!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Marry
[Carrie:] then I realised it.
[Raymond:] Asked me three bloody times!
[Margaret:] Well go on!.. You're interpretation.
[Raymond:] It's just erm
[Margaret:] How would you translate that?
[Scott:] You can see it... nanny can see it!
[Margaret:] What do we say then?
[Raymond:] However!... Say, it just
[Scott:] See it.
[Raymond:] says.
[Margaret:] Ooh yes, that's horrible that isn't it!... Urgh!
[Carrie:] I thought it was a verb that?
[Margaret:] denied... oh put it away!
[Raymond:] No, it's not
[Margaret:] mm.
[Raymond:] a verb is it?
[Scott:] Here are
[Margaret:] Put that in the horror section!
[Scott:] you can take it... take it home.
[Raymond:] It's not a verb it's just the
[Margaret:] Yes, I don't know erm
[Raymond:] And insertive one which means, you know
[Margaret:] in what context you'd use that.
[Carrie:] No passion in it is erm... I mean... the words that they use is... a words that I use are nothing like the ones that he using!
[Margaret:] No, no,.
[Raymond:] No,wha, what
[Carrie:] They say what they feel like.
[Raymond:] What I find if you you... when they get to erm... not necessarily a speech... but a pertinent part... you've got to read it two or three times
[Carrie:] Analyse.
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Raymond:] and there's the parts that's... or obvious or... they're not so important, you know, between
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Raymond:] tha that's how I... anyway
[Carrie:] See it.
[Raymond:] I can sort of get through it and erm... understanding it's
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Raymond:] is the most important thing.... And it does start to sink through after a while.
[Margaret:] I was gonna say it can be quite... laboured when you first read some of it
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Margaret:] because erm... and you do have to
[Carrie:] Especially if you haven't, sort of, read anything like it before, you know
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] I mean... I remember reading a few bits in English but, you know,
[Margaret:] You'll have to buy, have you seen, did you see King Lear when it was on... on the television? Cos I taped that as well.
[Carrie:] No.
[Margaret:] You'll have to have a look at that, that's quite good....
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Laurence Olivier.
[Carrie:] It's amazing once you reach thirty that... some sort of [LAUGHTER] inside you go []!
[Margaret:] Yes, I think they make, I can remember going to see... Hamlet with er... Laurence Olivier at er... while I was still at school... and er... we thought it
[Carrie:] What real?
[Margaret:] was great!
[Carrie:] Live?
[Margaret:] Laurence i... no, no, the film!
[Carrie:] Oh the film!
[Margaret:] Mm, you know the black and white one?
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] And erm
[Carrie:] I tell you what, did you see
[Margaret:] must of be, be about nineteen
[Carrie:] criticism of him?
[Margaret:] fifty one, fifty two... and we thought it was great going to the pictures, you know, when you were still at school, actually... you know, in, on a school day sort of thing!
[Carrie:] Oh yeah.
[Margaret:] And I can remember going in and seeing this film... and, it just... it didn't... it was so... to my mind, and you know thinking back now, my memory of it was of a sort of very... dark and dreary
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Margaret:] film a, the language meant nothing to me at all!
[Carrie:] Mm....
[Margaret:] I, I no I couldn't understand it!... And it's only sort of, as you say, when you get older and you
[Carrie:] That you learn it.
[Margaret:] sort of
[Carrie:] well that's right, I mean, that's why I wasn't really into it
[Margaret:] Becomes more apparent.
[Carrie:] cos when I did English at school I just... you know, you had to learn the poetry and that and
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] just say, you can take a poem home and learn it and then recite at the next lesson and then used it just
[Margaret:] That's right. Cos really a lot of it is just parrot-fashion, unless you're a very... unusual person I think
[Carrie:] That's it yeah.
[Margaret:] it doesn't really
[Carrie:] Brain child!
[Margaret:] sort of, have any significance until you get a bit older. I don't know whether it's
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Margaret:] sort of, life's experience... make it mean more to
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Margaret:] to you.... And
[Carrie:] Erm... possibly understand... through
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] you know ex ex experience as you get older.... The the... that er criticism on er, of the
[Margaret:] The tape's on, did you know?... Is it?... Or is that just... is that on all the time?
[Carrie:] No, it's just the light.
[Margaret:] Oh, I thought it was running... okay.
[Carrie:] Erm... of Laurence Olivier, emphasized wro... wrongly... you know, when he was speaking... certain parts into the... if he thought the audience was flagging then he'd... speak a bit louder to... you know
[Margaret:] Mm.... [LAUGHTER] Wake them up []!
[Carrie:] Then draw them in, yeah, yeah.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Carrie:] I should think he's... totally overrated!
[Margaret:] ... Mm.
[Carrie:] ... the way he spoke, maybe that his part and not... he was that, think he's a... took over the part if you know what I mean? Instead of
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] just letting people see the part and... experiencing it
[Margaret:] The role.
[Carrie:] and, yes, the role of Montesago
[Margaret:] Mm and he he became
[Carrie:] It was always Laurence Olivier and
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] such as, you know the way he plays it.
[Margaret:] I mean, I can remember seeing an interview with er, John Geilgud and he'd... he'd done Hamlet many years ago... and er but... he said he'd... it was... in a totally different way... you know, different
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Margaret:] interpretation that he put on his... er a much er... more lyrical, perhaps... you know, less... erm... intense and er
[Carrie:] Passionate.
[Margaret:] yeah,i... more ath
[Carrie:] So everybody went to sleep?
[Margaret:] lot more athletic version if you like, that, than er... Laurence Olivier, than... John
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Geilgud did.... And he
[Carrie:] I don't think he did anything in his later years did he?... Laurence Olivier to, sort of, equal what...
[Margaret:] No.
[Carrie:] Any of the films I've seen is all erm
[Margaret:] Well erm... there's... Richard the Third of course, and er
[Carrie:] No I mean, when he was like you know Boys from Brazil, I mean
[Margaret:] Oh yes!
[Carrie:] That's cottoned
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] on a bit.
[Margaret:] Well I can't... I mean erm... I think... he was the kind of person he wanted to... be as diverse as possible later on, I mean, perhaps he felt... constrained by the
[Carrie:] today
[Margaret:] fifty eight roles he'd done earlier on in his career and he wanted to sort of you know, have a go at everything
[Carrie:] [reading book] Marrying, marrying on
[Margaret:] didn't he?
[Carrie:] so rank as may dishonour him [].
[Raymond:] Marry... the, and an apostrophe is it?
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Married.... Well then, there's none so er
[Carrie:] Ah!
[Raymond:] you know... that's the it is.
[Carrie:] I wonder why it was... a?
[Raymond:] Well it's just a word like
[Margaret:] Well that's, where did they get it from?
[Carrie:] An expression.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Carrie:] [reading] Shall I
[Raymond:] Ooh Thames!
[Carrie:] therefore []
[Raymond:] You
[Margaret:] Erm
[Raymond:] can hardly see why...
[Carrie:] then
[Raymond:] the more you wish
[Carrie:] yeah
[Raymond:] ... Well
[Margaret:] Oh well!
[Raymond:] Very... well said! Very well sa... well read!... That's it... well done!
[Margaret:] Well done!
[Carrie:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Or however...
[Margaret:] Or whatever,.... Yes, and it's funny how languages change isn't it, over the... over the years?
[Carrie:] Only when you... can see words that we've got now that adapted from... words... then.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] Some of them... some of them, you know, slight change.
[Margaret:] Yes, some of it's very recognisable.
[Carrie:] But some of the words have all gone just now and
[Margaret:] Erm
[Carrie:] and eventually some speech
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah.
[Carrie:] and the dreams.
[Margaret:] Ahh.
[Carrie:] And there's some that are er... non-famous... it's got a load of in Hamlet.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] So then, I thought oh no, it's just gone over my head this!... So, when I finished reading that... explanation of it, maybe I'll... have a stab at it.
[Margaret:] But it makes you wonder, really, when you... when you... look at something like that... how... erm... how well represented that was... or representative of the kind of language that wa, that was used by er, ordinary people.
[Carrie:] At the time, yes.
[Margaret:] I mean... or is it just the author's view... of how
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] erm
[Carrie:] Well it took him What?
[Margaret:] What about Maisy?
[Raymond:] Some people say it was him that wrote it.
[Carrie:] Oh!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] What's... is that Emily again? I'm gonna have
[Scott:] Yes!
[Carrie:] [shouting] What do you want []?
[Margaret:] Is this... our old book?....
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] I thought so.
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Scott:] [shouting] Alright, you're []!
[Raymond:] Fifteen
[Margaret:] It's updated now isn't it?
[Raymond:] Oh aye!
[Carrie:] They only wanted to ask me their... the name of the place beginning with E and a girl's name as well!... Playing this game.
[Margaret:] Mm.... What are you making now by the way?
[Carrie:] I'm doing pineapple and pear upside down cake... for yous!
[Margaret:] How long is that going to take?
[Carrie:] Only half an hour
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Carrie:] Do it when the fan goes out.... I just lost a bit, oh there it is!
[Margaret:] Oh, eggshell?
[Carrie:] No... a bit of... a bit of not worth mentioning!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] Yeah, phoned Jeannette the other day to see what she'd done about college now.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] She's so impatient Jeannette!... God, she wants to know everything! She's always... down my ear, saying well what exactly did you do and... and what did you do next? I remember when I... we I was working when I first met her and I've... you know, just before I had Scott... and she said, well how did you get a job? What did you do there?... So I was saying, well what about the grant, you know, what do you have to do? She said, well just ring Town Hall, you know!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] Well
[Margaret:] She keen to give you any
[Carrie:] Well, yes I know that!
[Margaret:] information then?
[Carrie:] No, not er
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] And of course, if her husbands off like, it's ooh don't bother me now, there's a few girls like you know!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] Cath's gone like that now!... She's sort of, all over you... all week... and yet, when her husband is there, not her husband, her boyfriend... she
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] doesn't wanna know, you know!
[Margaret:] Well... I suppose you can understand in a way.
[Carrie:] Well I... yeah.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER] I do []!... Sort of!... So... this
[Margaret:] Oh so
[Carrie:] got the three bedrooms... er... semi-detached, I'll bring it in, but by erm... Harden School... Penalithe... not Penalithe what's it called? Pen... is it Penalithe... Pena something anyway.
[Raymond:] Penalithe... yes.
[Margaret:] That, that's
[Carrie:] At the Harden
[Raymond:] Harden
[Carrie:] school.
[Margaret:] Is that, oh!
[Carrie:] Or something!
[Margaret:] Is it erm... Consaquay still or is erm
[Carrie:] No, you know Harden like
[Raymond:] No, Harden
[Carrie:] up by the school.
[Margaret:] So I'm just wondering
[Carrie:] near the
[Margaret:] whether they'll be in Harden Newlow or, or Consaquay?
[Carrie:] No, erm... Consaquay's down there isn't it?
[Margaret:] Mm, but I mean the area you know, it's... is it
[Carrie:] Well
[Margaret:] a private house or
[Carrie:] No, it's a council house.
[Margaret:] That's why I say, I wonder whether it's
[Carrie:] Still fancy then?... have to buy that
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] right... but then I knew I told you where
[Margaret:] Does that come under Conasquay
[Carrie:] where Pauline's hou... Conasquay's over there! is he?
[Margaret:] Is he?
[Carrie:] It's really not Conasquay
[Margaret:] So that would come
[Raymond:] You know that!
[Margaret:] under Harden then? I'm just wondering which council it comes under that's all!
[Raymond:] Well it's Teebridge
[Carrie:] What, well you
[Raymond:] With Allan and Dee of course!
[Carrie:] you will get the
[Raymond:] I mean Allan and Deeside
[Carrie:] er
[Margaret:] Or Allan and Deeside then, yes!... Is it all the way along Deeside then?
[Carrie:] goes into this house in Buckley, cos she's had to go up to Buckley!
[Margaret:] That's right, that's why I'm asking
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] you where... which
[Carrie:] I thought you meant... I don't know what I thought you meant!... [LAUGHTER] Which county []!... Yeah, so she didn't wanna be rushed... down here... and... near where he's gonna be when he comes out.
[Margaret:] Comes out?
[Carrie:] Comes out of hospital for.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Carrie:] Got beaten up didn't he?... So...
[Margaret:] This isn't... which, this isn't the one that was er
[Carrie:] Attacked... yeah.... Not that, not that feller, no!
[Margaret:] Oh and, oh!
[Carrie:] Not with the head injuries, no, it was a group of the... and he was coming out of the... just coming out... some pub down in Conasquay... and he was... these lads were all singing, apparently this is what happened anyway, they were all singing and... you know... making merry and he said, what are you all so... cheerful about or something?...
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Carrie:] Went on and on at this young lad who'd spoken who thumped him he'd... apparently just one punch, I don't know but... but anyway all the charges have been dropped against this lad now so
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] he was frightened to death that... all Brian's mates, that they were gonna get him!
[Margaret:] Oh dear!
[Carrie:] All the drunk friends.
[Margaret:] Good heavens!... So
[Carrie:] So er... he's having physio and he's... he can move his legs now so that's
[Margaret:] So
[Carrie:] something... just trauma!
[Margaret:] Oh ah!... Mm.
[Carrie:] For the, you know the reason he couldn't move.
[Margaret:] He was sort of well he... was paralysed wasn't he?
[Carrie:] Traumatised.... Yeah... from the neck down.
[Margaret:] This is the one who's... was living with another... woman... and his
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] wife
[Carrie:] Young girl... she
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] worked at the erm... at The Clwyd... and he me, you know, he used to be in there all the time! Dinner time, night time, you know, as soon as he finished work he was down there!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] So... I mean, now it's apparent why he was there all the time isn't it, you know?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] For her.... I didn't know that did I? I was... similar circs... But
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] but erm... he's been trying to get her back now, you know, but he didn't wanna give up this other girl! I mean you can't, he said... you know, have your cake and eat it sort of thing
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] he wanted her to come back to him, but he wanted to... keep this girl on the go!
[Margaret:] Relationship going.
[Carrie:] I don't know
[Margaret:] Strange!
[Carrie:] but, and she's so quiet, Pauline is, if it was me I'd... be climbing the walls! I'd be saying that... fucking it!..., she doesn't say that she's... sort of been... he's still
[Margaret:] Great!
[Carrie:] got this other girl, you know and I say
[Margaret:] Mm. Being matter of fact
[Carrie:] Pauline
[Margaret:] about it.
[Carrie:] Yeah.... Suppose
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] she can't get too worked up with the asthma in case she er
[Margaret:] In case she has an attack.
[Carrie:] has an attack! Oh that's
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] another thing... Jonathan, Jackie's er, lad, the one that's gone onto Cornwall, he's... been in hospital he's had another
[Margaret:] Again?
[Carrie:] attack.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Carrie:] Yeah, they hadn't been in hospital for a few years, they haven't, I've never known to go in.
[Margaret:] Is that the eldest one is it?
[Carrie:] The eldest one.
[Margaret:] Yeah, cos they, they've all had
[Carrie:] They think it was the stress, I mean moving down to Cornwall!
[Margaret:] Well,th oh the... the three boys and her have all
[Carrie:] No, no two boys... Andrew... they think have got it, he's just the little... chubby one I don't
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] know if you remember?
[Margaret:] Smallest one?
[Carrie:] The one that always used to go... er er
[Margaret:] That's right, yeah.
[Carrie:] in the cupboards!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] Go to the fridge and eat all my bananas and that.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] But er Scott
[Margaret:] Couldn't say the language but he could... polish
[Carrie:] He... that's right, well he's seeing a speech therapist now.
[Margaret:] Is he?
[Carrie:] Jonathan has to
[Margaret:] So he did have a problem then?... Obviously.
[Carrie:] Yeah, well Jackie she had see a speech therapist and she did have trouble pronouncing... can't remember
[Margaret:] Words.
[Carrie:] what sh, words, but now and again she'd start to say something and then she'd... sort of, find an easier an [LAUGHTER] way to say it []!
[Margaret:] Yes.... Yeah, an alternative. Mm.
[Carrie:] So er
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Okay, we'll stay till the kids are here.
[Margaret:] Anyway, so... he's out of hospital now is he... the other
[Carrie:] Who?
[Margaret:] one?... The
[Carrie:] Brian?... I don't know!
[Margaret:] No, no, the la... no, Jackie's little boy.
[Carrie:] Oh, yeah! Just one night she said.... Yeah.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] One night in hospital, but she thinks, she said after that, and he is improving and he's doing P E now so
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] he must be improving, perhaps the air down is different from here.
[Margaret:] Yes, I was gonna say it's gotta be better
[Carrie:] Not like here.
[Margaret:] than here because it's erm... so damp down here isn't it, near the river?
[Carrie:] And plus, you know, she's in flat now where she's got heating and... it's
[Margaret:] Yeah.... Good God, yeah, she was frozen in that house wasn't she?
[Carrie:] Oh God!... Terrible in there!
[Margaret:] Like the North Pole up there.
[Carrie:] It was, yeah.... But she's sworn me to secrecy. Mind you, I wasn't gonna tell anybody she was writing to me anyway!... Just in case he's gets a whiff of it, you know.... I don't know how she's gonna
[Margaret:] Well what difference would that make, with, I mean
[Carrie:] Well because he's very... he's been very awkward with her hasn't he? And
[Margaret:] And he's not gonna be all, going all the way down to Devon
[Carrie:] Oh no!
[Margaret:] though is he?
[Carrie:] No, er, he has got relatives down there.
[Margaret:] Really?
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Oh good heavens!
[Carrie:] That's how she met him... at relatives party.
[Margaret:] Oh!... Well what about the
[Carrie:] Distant rel... relatives like.
[Margaret:] well it's more... likely that she's gonna see... one of the relatives than him, isn't it?
[Carrie:] Mm.... That's true, yeah!... His aunty, I think it was. But whether she'll be... very sympathetic to Jackie... none o... none of Jackie's family came to the wedding, like you know!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] Anyway, she's got the hots for this feller down there that she used to go out with... he's about... forty eight or something like that but... She pref, preferred
[Margaret:] Jackie, this is?
[Carrie:] them older.
[Margaret:] Jackie?
[Carrie:] No, this feller that she likes, she's... she's younger than me, Jackie!... Wouldn't know it would you to
[Margaret:] No.... And she's found somebody already?
[Carrie:] Well, this feller Colin... i, she used to go out with him... before... she met... Steve... she used to, she went on a nanny's course, she went to college to be a nanny
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] and she was going out with him like and... seeing pictures of her when she was younger and she's just the sa, big... but
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] a young face, you know!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] ... and erm... how am I gonna do this? Oh my God!... Where's the milk?... Anyway... he came up to London, she went to London to be a nanny to this woman with three kids like, you know, two babies and a... an older one... and she said he came up at a time, he said, sorry, you know, gotta finish... he's got this girl... pregnant!... So he married her... this girl... anyway, they're divorced now, like you know, I thought
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] I mean, Jackie hoping there might be some sort of... spark... left.... She lo, I mean she's a lovely girl though!
[Margaret:] Ni, a nice natured girl
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] yeah.
[Carrie:] Very, oh very... loves children
[Margaret:] Easy going.
[Carrie:] yeah.... Easy going nature and... you know... just
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] a bit sort of I don't know, easily... strayed i
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] So... mind you, if you... your confidence is knocked for so long yo... you only
[Margaret:] Well I
[Carrie:] believe in what everyone
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] says in the end! I mean, her dad wasn't the best of dads to her so
[Margaret:] So i... well, presumably she's near... her family, her parents
[Carrie:] Yeah... and her
[Margaret:] Erm... she must be getting... some kind of
[Carrie:] Yes, yeah, and her life's
[Margaret:] support?
[Carrie:] sort of built up, her mum and dad come you know?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] and down there.
[Margaret:] Mm.... Are you gonna read that... all that book?
[Raymond:] Me
[Carrie:] Mmm.
[Raymond:] yeah.
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER] Why, do you want to read it []?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] No []!
[Carrie:] You'd rather converse.
[Raymond:] No, I'll just read some of it.
[Carrie:] Put these in the little house, they like them!
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Carrie:] things, peanuts... and er
[Raymond:] Peanuts?... Where?
[Margaret:] You're not having peanuts!
[Carrie:] We're gonna get those out to have with tea dad.
[Raymond:] Ah
[Carrie:] [singing] Peanuts []!... Oh Scott's mad for peanuts!
[Raymond:] Is he?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] No.... The girls would be mad if they could get near it!
[Margaret:] If they could get to them before Scott
[Carrie:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] you mean?
[Carrie:] Now they keep saying, mummy you always give him more than you give us! You're always give him the last sweet to him!... You always let him get away things! [LAUGHTER]... You know, [LAUGHTER], yeah I do you know []!... But then I have to say, remind myself to be a bit more... stern with him!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] But er... I was saying to Mrs the other day, asked about Scott... what the heck! Oh I was on about sewing cos I said I'd let them, you know, they were all doing a bit of sewing the other weekend, they all had a go like... erm... ooh, you know, I was saying he... that Scott can cook and that, you know, we've had a note... he's having one on, supposed to be all... all of them to be independent, you know?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] But I always seem to end up lecturing when I'm [LAUGHTER] talking to him, you know instead of just []... saying, I was saying... I want them all to be independent, you know!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] She must think I'm really mad!... You know, this divorced woman, you know!... She's very nice Ann, she's okay.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] We've got to do er, we were doing these Mother's Day cards and she said, oh we've got to ta, the curriculum has changed now
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] the teachers aren't allowed to dictate... the children, if they want... erm... to do something or make something they have to make up a plan of what they're gonna do first
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] and they have to think of it all by themselves, the teachers can't say ooh... ooh well put flowers on there.
[Margaret:] They can't suggest anything.
[Carrie:] That's
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Carrie:] it, yeah, and she said a... cos he's like it, she said it is very hard she said, I'm used to... saying
[Margaret:] Showing them.
[Carrie:] Yeah, do this
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] and they I said, yeah, so I got... oh and they came up with some really good a... ideas, you know!... Cut out
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] cards and that.
[Margaret:] Yeah... quite spontaneous.
[Carrie:] Two of these halves on a turtle design... erm [LAUGHTER] er [] the door had two halves but they managed to put one part like that, cut
[Margaret:] Make them look like turtles!
[Carrie:] it out and [LAUGHTER] put legs on []!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] And she said, oh yes, she [LAUGHTER] di []
[Margaret:] Fine children!
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER] So I hope they
[Margaret:] It just shows you how they're in... influenced though doesn't it, by
[Carrie:] Yeah.... But the
[Margaret:] you know?
[Carrie:] rest of them, I mean
[Margaret:] films and television
[Carrie:] Ooh they looked terrible!
[Margaret:] and
[Carrie:] Yeah.... Oh, there were ones that didn't look like Mother's day cards but still!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] But er... Mr sort of... the student teacher there, he's a bit of alright, like! He's a bit young for me!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] And er... he was hovering behind me in the classroom, like [LAUGHTER] you know []!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] I mean, [LAUGHTER] he was getting something out of the cupboard,ha nothing to do with me []!... But er, Laura likes him like, you know, she says... Jamie... pinched my crisps before, you know... just imagine all these little girls giggling!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] And... all the classroom.... And erm... when we were doing these cards... Mrs, that's Scott's old teacher, she's very nice, very modern
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Carrie:] was telling this story about this princess, this very erm... independent princess didn't wanna know about the [LAUGHTER] prince, like er, it was quite a funny story []!... But er... gosh, you, you made me jump you! You know, so they must of been talking about it
[Raymond:] Twenty four hour television, now then.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] Thanks.
[Margaret:] Yeah, we have the technology.
[Ken:] Forty eight hours, forty eight hours!
[Raymond:] Forty eight hours?... Oh a new telly to go with it, look at this!... New telly.
[Margaret:] Ooh ooh!
[Raymond:] My word!
[Margaret:] Hey we got
[Raymond:] What's all this on Thames? It's... it's is it?
[Ken:] He'll be wanted satellite now!
[Margaret:] Ooh that's nice!
[Raymond:] What's this, an Amstrad is it? It's the fo
[Margaret:] I is it the four screen one we've been watching?
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Is it?
[Margaret:] Oh that's very clear then.
[Raymond:] So it's
[Margaret:] But it is.
[Raymond:] screen!
[Margaret:] That's
[Ken:] Not the same.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Raymond:] What's that er... that
[Margaret:] Where d'you go?... Where did go, Roberts's?
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Mhm.... We said you would.... Looked in there didn't you?
[Raymond:] I thank you sir!
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Ken:] They put up the telly
[Margaret:] Why d'you keep telling me?
[Ken:] the back.
[Raymond:] That could well be
[Margaret:] Well
[Raymond:] something else.
[Margaret:] I think they've gotta.
[Raymond:] Signals.
[Ken:] Now that's something I won't with a bit sloping down.
[Margaret:] Oh now it's on the back of the house?
[Ken:] That's right
[Margaret:] and then
[Ken:] so the house may need
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] a place would it, wouldn't have been
[Margaret:] Oh, in the right spot?
[Ken:] It doesn't, it's not too bad there like, especially when we went to, you know it's not... there's no.
[Margaret:] Yeah.... Yeah.
[Ken:] But er... they said I couldn't have it there
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] the wind would get
[Margaret:] Ye
[Ken:] it too much.
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Raymond:] Oh funny thing I was... having a look at one of Carrie's, she's got the Radio Times which we don't get, only at Christmas time.
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Raymond:] And have... having a look a the er... the films you know... Sky and er, what's
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] the other one?
[Ken:] Sky one and two it is.
[Margaret:] Oh is that ha, is that
[Raymond:] But there's an ano, there was some other name wasn't there? No?
[Ken:] No.
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Margaret:] What both... from the same... same dish?
[Ken:] Yeah.... Yeah.
[Raymond:] And all o all the different erm films that are on, you know.
[Margaret:] pay monthly for that now or
[Ken:] No, I borrowed that.
[Margaret:] No, but I mean don't you have to pay for those
[Ken:] Oh for the films, I haven't got, I haven't got that.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Raymond:] What's that? How does that work then?
[Margaret:] I don't understand at all.
[Ken:] Well you have to have, you have to have a... the only the trouble with it is, I've got, I'll either have to put them up here... or I'll have to... scrape... scrape some of the wall out... I can't close the door!... I measured everything bar there!
[Margaret:] Is it the way
[Raymond:] Oh! No.
[Margaret:] I thought you meant the shelf was up wrong!
[Raymond:] Oh that's... too deep!
[Ken:] You see... I've
[Margaret:] Oh.
[Ken:] it's not to deep, it fits in.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] But what I've got
[Raymond:] It don't
[Ken:] you've got have the aerial at the back... and that connects
[Raymond:] And that's protruding you see.
[Ken:] You see.
[Margaret:] I see.
[Ken:] And like, so I can't close the door.
[Raymond:] I didn't think you had to ha... have the aerial coming from the... for the hole in the wall.
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []! You
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Ken:] I'll just have them on there you see, that's
[Margaret:] Mm.... Mm.
[Ken:] So as I can
[Raymond:] Oh, that's a shame!
[Margaret:] Couldn't you have that hinge mounted... slightly further forward
[Ken:] I've asked for a
[Margaret:] on the... on the
[Ken:] that's for so much. That's what they want... that's what they used for it.
[Margaret:] That would hold it dead out then wouldn't it?
[Ken:] I told them I've lost my.
[Raymond:] No, it wouldn't make any
[Margaret:] Put it
[Raymond:] difference.
[Ken:] Save the hassle, yeah.
[Margaret:] Alright, well i well it would! Surely it would!... I mean if you've set that there
[Raymond:] Why?
[Margaret:] at the moment.... I mean you'd
[Raymond:] No!
[Margaret:] have a gap.
[Raymond:] You won't!
[Margaret:] I mean hi
[Ken:] Well normally you'd see
[Raymond:] Well no, you'd have to alter the other one as well wouldn't you, to make it e... even
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] Yes, oh
[Margaret:] Mm
[Ken:] ay!
[Margaret:] Mm
[Ken:] But I mean it wouldn't, you wouldn't close that
[Margaret:] The only other thing
[Ken:] on that... it wouldn't close on that.
[Margaret:] The only other thing you could do
[Raymond:] Oh ah!
[Margaret:] Ken is have those taken off... and, is this a door here?
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] And have those mounted on the bottom... so that it's a drop down shelf.
[Raymond:] What would that do?
[Margaret:] But there again it still wouldn't
[Raymond:] Wouldn't do anything!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] Couldn't use that though could you?
[Margaret:] Well, no, I'm just thinking you could... have it sent, but I mean it was just... be on that one now wouldn't it?
[Ken:] No it still wouldn't, no it still wouldn't close would it?
[Raymond:] Wouldn't close would it?
[Margaret:] You could do the same with both of them though wouldn't you?
[Raymond:] Oh absolutely!... Oh! So
[Ken:] [sneeze]
[Margaret:] Same thing is to take the... take screws off and just try and door and see whether how much... extra... space you need, I mean, maybe... you might be able to do it by just
[Raymond:] Well it
[Margaret:] Well I'm sure, I'm sure
[Raymond:] Yeah but you can tell when you put
[Margaret:] you could... move that forward there!
[Raymond:] Well gotta have the hole haven't you? Space
[Margaret:] I know!
[Raymond:] between the
[Margaret:] Yes!
[Raymond:] two
[Margaret:] You're not gonna see it cos there's one on the end, it's right next to the wall isn't it?... Have a gap there but I mean... whereas at the moment it's like that, not to that.
[Ken:] Even though it's on the front
[Margaret:] to there
[Ken:] of the cabinet aren't you, it's gonna protrude beyond... close the
[Margaret:] But
[Ken:] right hand one now.
[Margaret:] but it does now though doesn't it?... I mean they're sticking out
[Ken:] Well I mean, you're gonna be another
[Margaret:] like that.
[Ken:] It's gonna be another inch isn't it?
[Margaret:] Yeah, but that's neither here nor there! Cos the top's got a good overlap.... I mean you wouldn't notice that would you Ken?... I wouldn't be bothered about that.... Just looking for a solution to the problem that's all!... Got to think about these things you know.
[Raymond:] Ooh, I know what I was going to do!...... Going on broadcasting now?...
[Margaret:] No it's Sally's, it's Sally's.
[Ken:] What is it?
[Raymond:] broadcast.
[Margaret:] No, it is, it is the same thing actually.
[Raymond:] [sigh] Erm.
[Margaret:] I, I sort of meant to bring one of those one of those forms home.
[Ken:] You've got your earphones have you?
[Margaret:] No, they're ordinary earphones.
[Raymond:] Well there are,.
[Ken:] You're taping on there?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] I'm gonna be a spy! Training!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] Well you might get some facts right if you did!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]... They want
[Margaret:] No those
[Raymond:] all the funny accents in [LAUGHTER] the area []!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] What for?
[Margaret:] This lady came round from er
[Raymond:] Here are, I'll turn it off. Oh I don't wanna, what's that?
[Margaret:] Oh my Godfather!...
[Raymond:] Oh is this your er
[Ken:] after one.
[Raymond:] Is this these... what do they call it?... The erm... oracle is it?
[Ken:] This is er... I don't know!... This is for your telly.
[Raymond:] Good
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] grief!
[Ken:] if you please?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Which these, Ken?
[Ken:] Yeah.... And that's for your telly.
[Margaret:] I hate i, when did
[Ken:] That goes down.
[Margaret:] they put it, install it?
[Ken:] Yesterday.
[Margaret:] So... they've obviously given you instructions on how to
[Ken:] No, they didn't because they didn't finish till half five... they didn't get here till... I got soaked yesterday morning!
[Margaret:] Ooh, I'm not
[Ken:] So I
[Margaret:] surprised!
[Ken:] So I, I didn't there I didn't finish well I... I
[Margaret:] I
[Ken:] and I turned round!
[Margaret:] I knew you had! I thought I bet Ken will go down the road and
[Ken:] ... I mean it was all white.
[Margaret:] Yeah. Poor old Lucy!... I bet you were soaking!
[Ken:] From here I was, I was s... soaked!... So that's er... that's your control for your telly.
[Margaret:] Mm. [tv on]
[Raymond:] Hiya!... Lucy!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] And then you've got your there.
[Margaret:] Bigger picture isn't it?
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Ken:] And you've got i... you know, it's a bigger screen.... Yes, I know you're there!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... Ah ha ha ha ha ha!
[Ken:] Then... then you've got your... your screen... er... your... ga da what's his name?... It shows your
[Margaret:] The volume?
[Ken:] it shows you're on your volume you see, and it shows you
[Margaret:] Oh you've gotta
[Ken:] there what what, how you
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] whatever you're... doing.
[Margaret:] Oh! And how does go off round to
[Ken:] Yeah, that goes there.
[Margaret:] Put it there.
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Oh Lu! Oh Lu!
[Ken:] It does... this is er... this can control your... your er
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] your stations as well.
[Margaret:] Is that for... for trapping it in or tuning it in at all or a different thing?
[Ken:] No, this is this is just for changing the stations.
[Margaret:] Oh you just pick it and it'll... Is that Channel Four? How do you know which station it is?
[Ken:] Well it, it comes on there!
[Margaret:] Oh, it comes on the screen does it? Oh... Oh yeah, one, one!
[Ken:] ...
[Margaret:] But if you wanted you could?
[Ken:] Now there, you can have your what's it's name?... But er
[Margaret:] What are the colours at the bottom?
[Ken:] Th... th, those aren't working options either.
[Margaret:] Mm mm.
[Ken:] So that's
[Raymond:] no that's er...
[Margaret:] Quietly!... manufacturers.
[Ken:] Well this is er... this is... see whatever's on B B C one.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] Then you've gotta
[Margaret:] Oh it's isn't it? I wonder if Kelly's taping that?
[Ken:] I haven't even looked what's on tonight.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] Cos I've had it I haven't bothered... I didn't
[Margaret:] You haven't bothered to look! [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] So er... that's that... you've also got
[Margaret:] Look!
[Ken:] ...
[Margaret:] Obviously the end of the film and he's come back!
[Raymond:] I've seen that one you know.
[Margaret:] Yes it's been on. It has been on before.
[Raymond:] Well what about... Sky and that, Ken?
[Ken:] Yes I have, yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Margaret:] Yeah just.... V C R.
[Ken:] Excuse me a minute!
[Margaret:] Do you have to point it at the telly? It's a good idea I suppose.
[Ken:] Put it... you have to... Channel Ten, you want it on Channel Ten for your bedroom.
[Margaret:] For the ah
[Ken:] Er, for your... for Sky.
[Margaret:] For Sky.
[Ken:] And that's er
[Raymond:] [yawn] Well I thought you had to pay for that Ken?... Which is the one you have to pay for?
[Margaret:] What one of the stations that you receive?
[Raymond:] Every month.
[Ken:] Er... your film channels.
[Raymond:] Oh that isn't Sky?... Oh!
[Ken:] Yeah... it's Sky
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Ken:] but that's, that's Channel that's... that's your first channel on your what's his name?
[Raymond:] Well!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] That's Channel Two.
[Margaret:] Is er, is it... continental tv or
[Ken:] Continental and British tele
[Margaret:] I see!
[Ken:] British.
[Margaret:] So you could watch French television or German television?
[Ken:] Well you can watch German mostly.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] Er... you know you got all the different channels.
[Raymond:] [yawn]
[Margaret:] So how many are, are there there?
[Ken:] Ooh there's well this this will hold fifty channels.
[Margaret:] Agh!
[Ken:] But there's not fifty channels put on.
[Margaret:] No, oh no not all
[Raymond:] Not yet.
[Ken:] There's not er... so whatever channels there are, well you know that... there's a lot of them!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] So which one have you got to pay for?
[Ken:] Wait a minute!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] [sigh]
[Ken:] Well I'm.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] See that's one
[Margaret:] Oh I see!
[Ken:] there you've got to have a card.
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Margaret:] But the is the for that, I mean?
[Ken:] This is the card for
[Margaret:] Lots of things.
[Ken:] the, excuse me!
[Raymond:] So you've gotta buy the cards
[Ken:] No, you have to... buy the card
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Margaret:] Where do you get those from then?
[Ken:] Well you...
[Raymond:] Television shop is it?
[Ken:] Er, yeah.... They're like that.
[Margaret:] Oh yeah.
[Raymond:] How much?... Depending on
[Ken:] Er, well it depends er... one or the two, you can either one or two.
[Raymond:] All the same price?
[Ken:] No... one
[Raymond:] Ah, oh I see... one's one.
[Ken:] One is for, one is, one is about er... it's about nine pounds I think, for one... for twelve
[Margaret:] For the card?
[Ken:] for twelve months.... Er, no nine pounds a month isn't it?... Er, the other one is er... about seventeen pounds for the two.
[Raymond:] So you can watch
[Ken:] So... so you're saving
[Raymond:] watch as many as you can.
[Ken:] And you just... Bob, Bob gave me
[Raymond:] Er, er if you like.
[Ken:] thi, Bob gave me this but er... unfortunately you see... but er yes
[Raymond:] It won't go in.
[Ken:] It will go in
[Raymond:] Nothing happens!
[Ken:] You're card is invalid.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Ken:] It's, it's, it's run out!... It tells you the date.
[Margaret:] Ah!
[Raymond:] Oh!... Mm!
[Ken:] See?... So that you can't
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] so you can't use it.
[Raymond:] Well what did he give you that for? [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] Well no, he thought it was
[Raymond:] It's, oh yeah!
[Ken:] it was er... in
[Margaret:] He thought he had some more left.
[Ken:] It's still er
[Raymond:] A good one! Yes... valid.
[Ken:] Get off!
[Margaret:] So what are they for, for? Are they just for a month are they... the cards?
[Ken:] No, you get them, you can get them
[Margaret:] Or twelve months.
[Ken:] for twelve months.
[Raymond:] If you can... oh, but you gonna pay
[Ken:] That's right you have to you have to
[Raymond:] obviously and
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] seventy quid or something?
[Ken:] Well the first time you have to get it for at least six months.
[Raymond:] Do you really?
[Ken:] Then you can get it monthly after that if you want.
[Margaret:] So it's quite expensive really when you think
[Raymond:] It's not cheap!
[Margaret:] about it?
[Raymond:] Depends what you want, if you wanna watch... a lot of films.
[Ken:] Well, yeah
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] that is er
[Margaret:] Yeah.... Well, I must say
[Raymond:] You know, you might have three or four lads that's going to work in the family all, like, watching films
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] an, and then it's
[Margaret:] Well it's not that, it's the
[Raymond:] If there's only you
[Margaret:] the fact you get the films or... recent films
[Raymond:] Not all of them they're not!
[Ken:] Not all of them
[Margaret:] No?
[Raymond:] Some
[Ken:] No.
[Raymond:] are old, they got one er erm
[Ken:] Oh, no some of them are really old ones!
[Raymond:] Yeah, nineteen fifty seven
[Margaret:] Ah!
[Raymond:] one I notice.
[Ken:] Ooh yeah, oh!
[Margaret:] aren't
[Raymond:] Ah
[Margaret:] you?
[Raymond:] I don't know why erm
[Ken:] You get er
[Raymond:] Whether they're hard to get or whether they haven't got them on the... normal channels I don't know!... [yawn] But that's another thing... sport... you get a lot of sport on here
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] And, so you can't
[Raymond:] Especially winter sports, you see er
[Margaret:] think of that i i i if you... have a particular interest... what are the other things that
[Raymond:] Games.
[Margaret:] specialities that you can get?
[Raymond:] Quiz games from
[Margaret:] Quiz games.
[Raymond:] a around you can get can't you Ken?
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] From America and er
[Ken:] But, but yeah, you know er
[Raymond:] and Europe
[Ken:] Europe, England er
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Ken:] these things.... They're all er... you can get
[Raymond:] You could get
[Ken:] er er you can get stereo sound on it as well you know!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] You can get... I mean, it's not connected up but you can have er... you can have it connected it up to the ra, to the radio and get concerts through the stere in stereo.
[Margaret:] Mm....
[Ken:] You know, you can get the er
[Margaret:] gonna go for the... commercial presentation, ha!... Could do without my it's grown to nothing since I moved!...
[Ken:] Well you get, you get you get programme
[Raymond:] God, it's like a horror!
[Ken:] It's, it's the...
[Margaret:] Adverts.
[Ken:] adverts.
[Margaret:] Mm.... Mm!... Mm... She's got one as well.... And his secretary.... Are they American Ken or... so, she sounds American. [tv on]
[Raymond:] A lot of them.
[Ken:] Ooh they've got er... this... a cockerel... with... well one's, one's a cockerel... doing commercials... you know?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] Oh she's.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] Wouldn't it save?
[Raymond:] It looks good that doesn't it?
[Margaret:] Oh! Oh that's
[Ken:] That's
[Margaret:] Yeah.... Make them worse!... That's true that!... Oh!... Mm.
[Raymond:] Oh God!
[Ken:] Oh that's only a false nail!
[Margaret:] Just a false nail Ray!
[Raymond:] I know that, but it's underneath.
[Ken:] .
[Raymond:] yes, I believe.
[Margaret:] , yeah.
[Raymond:] What if they're bitten to ruddy hell?... Mm, got the?
[Margaret:] Mm.... Listen... well if they're long nails already they're
[Raymond:] Right.... Oh that's clever for getting the polish off!
[Margaret:] Yeah, just a bit.
[Raymond:] Trouble is, the bloody finger falls off as well!... Gosh, is this all it's for this television?... We've had twenty minutes on the same thing!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Oh God!
[Margaret:] Yeah, that's the thing... channel select.....
[Ken:] were on the blink!
[Margaret:] Yeah, well I knew you said the erm... the
[Ken:] So
[Margaret:] video was going a bit haywire!
[Ken:] So I'll get that er... I'll get it done... get one, get both of them done... and then er
[Raymond:] So you can't get this now then?... Movie Channel?
[Ken:] I can't... no I can't get the Movie Channel.
[Raymond:] Well what can you get then... withou... without the card?
[Margaret:] Got to find the stations.
[Ken:] Well no, I can get er... I can get... what er... well I, well you can go through them on that... just... press there...
[Raymond:] Style of these guys!
[Margaret:] It's incredible channels and look!
[Raymond:] Look at him!... Gee!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] That's... here are you can go, you can go through that now... just keep... pressing... that... one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine
[Raymond:] Ah.
[Ken:] and then press that one and it'll go up to
[Raymond:] Well where do you go?
[Ken:] It's fif, as I say, there's fif, that's one now, you've got it on one.... It's dif, I mean, some of them there's nothing on!... Ah that's... because you've pressed that... no, you're pressing too quick!
[Margaret:] He's helpless!
[Ken:] Just, leave it! Let it go!... And just press three... oh not one again!
[Margaret:] He doesn't look at the numbers!
[Ken:] You've gotta look at yo, you're doing!
[Raymond:] Oh it's Ger, German is it?... Here are!
[Margaret:] Now... let it go!
[Raymond:] Oh it's different to the other one isn't it?
[Margaret:] Erm
[Ken:] There's nothing on that one... on four.
[Raymond:] Why delay on the... cos it's gotta search round this
[Ken:] I suppose it's gotta
[Raymond:] Oh I see now, yeah!... Indoor fun board.... Gee whizz!... Oh this is the what's a name they do on the surf board, acrobatics!
[Ken:] They were doing this, they were doing this lo, yesterday... this su, windsurfing, they were doing windsurfing indoors.
[Raymond:] Go on!
[Ken:] They'd got these big fans
[Margaret:] ...
[Ken:] they got and the way they were rac racing, and they got these big fans... and they
[Raymond:] Good God!
[Ken:] yeah it was!... It was all
[Raymond:] Cos they're tremendous with the... swimming pool
[Ken:] indoor
[Raymond:] or whatever it is.
[Ken:] it was!... And they were, the speeds they were getting up to!
[Raymond:] Look at this!... Gee whizz!
[Ken:] Look at that!
[Raymond:] How the devil do they contro!
[Margaret:] This is what Carl... he used to erm
[Ken:] Well Bob, Bob does windsurfing!
[Margaret:] like go in the
[Raymond:] he doesn't do that though!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Choo!
[Margaret:] Wey!
[Raymond:] These are the girls these are!
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Choo!... They must be strong in the legs!
[Margaret:] And the arms.
[Raymond:] Wah!
[Margaret:] Wey!... Looks fantastic
[Ken:] Gone off!
[Margaret:] doesn't it?
[Raymond:] She's gone over!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] She's gone!
[Raymond:] Oh look at that, in front of the wave!... Very hard.
[Ken:] Wow!
[Raymond:] Choo!
[Margaret:] They sort of hold the sail on the wind, a bit like
[Ken:] Mm.
[Margaret:] a parachute jump,
[Raymond:] Yeah, that's right, yeah.... I think the fellers are just that wee bit more... acrobatic aren't they?
[Margaret:] Well they're stronger as well I think! Weee!
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Ken:] [whistling]
[Raymond:] yes!
[Ken:] Ohh!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] Oh!
[Raymond:] Gee whizz!
[Margaret:] Oh, oh oh! And he's as well!
[Raymond:] That's marvellous that, isn't it yes?
[Margaret:] It's amazing!
[Raymond:] Shoo! How long does it take to get like that I wonder?
[Margaret:] It's probably Australia that.... Could be
[Raymond:] Could be or could be Hawaii perhaps?
[Ken:] Hawaii yeah.
[Raymond:] that's what the best place they reckon don't they, Waikiki
[Margaret:] Ah!
[Raymond:] Come up again, look at that!
[Margaret:] Yeah, he's coming up! He came again.... He wanted a wave
[Ken:] One hand!
[Margaret:] Did he say he wanted another
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] wave then? So
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Good grief!
[Margaret:] Let the wave carry him up and then... sort of hurl himself off the top of it.
[Raymond:] I know when Carl was, was doing it in a modest way and he, he'd seen this on, and he said it's impossible that... the way they do it!
[Margaret:] Mm!
[Ken:] Can't be impossible?
[Raymond:] Well, you know, he was... I suppose he was saying it in an admiring way?
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] He said there's no way you can get that sort of lift without
[Ken:] what I mean
[Raymond:] whatever they do.
[Ken:] you've gotta get the wind and you gotta get the
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] sur, the surf
[Raymond:] You've gotta have the conditions you see?
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Gotta be in the right places you see.
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Which I don't suppose you get here.
[Margaret:] And the right board and sails.... Oh!
[Raymond:] German.... Alright if you're a Gerry!... But we're not.
[Ken:] But some of them there
[Raymond:] Oh there's nothing on that one Ken, right?
[Ken:] What have you done? What have you pressed?
[Raymond:] Well I've pressed number seven.... Oh it's the
[Ken:] Press
[Raymond:] same one now!
[Ken:] Oh well pre, that's six.... Press seven.
[Raymond:] I don't know what's happened there, I mus
[Ken:] That's Channel Nine... now press
[Margaret:] Give it to Ken!
[Raymond:] Which is the opera one?
[Ken:] Haven't got that.
[Margaret:] You have to have a card for that.
[Raymond:] Do you?
[Margaret:] I wonder if you could learn the language just watching the foreign station?
[Raymond:] No!
[Ken:] You may if you've got a be, if you've got a bit of knowledge of it.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Oh yes! It would help.
[Margaret:] What was that?
[Ken:] What?
[Raymond:] I munched!
[Margaret:] This is the same in any language!
[Ken:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Well Ken, has it been worth it?
[Margaret:] [hiccup]... oh excuse me!... [hiccup]... and excuse me again!
[Raymond:] What are you gonna do, get the cards are you, or what?
[Ken:] Well I dunno yet.... See whats
[Margaret:] See how you get on with this. At least you got a decent television,... [LAUGHTER] have a decent video []
[Ken:] See, see a
[Margaret:] you can have!
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] I should try that Ken, I should take erm... is off.
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] In fact, there's an adjustment on those isn't there that enables you to slide them forward isn't there?
[Ken:] I dunno.
[Margaret:] Mm, I think so.... Anything like the ones on our wardrobe.
[Ken:] I don't know.
[Margaret:] Looks like Michael Caine!... It is Michael Caine!
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] There's not a lot of it about!... Oh and er, Sigourney Weaver.
[Ken:] I wonder, you know, how they... how they try and synch them, how the voices go in?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] German, oh was it?
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] They're dubbed... yeah.
[Raymond:] Yeah, but it seems to sound like the person though doesn't it?
[Ken:] Oh what, who
[Margaret:] No.
[Ken:] what, who was it?
[Margaret:] Not from what I see!... The voices are totally di, in fact the... Clive James showed a few clips of... dubbed films... I mean er John Wayne, I mean he's supposed to be so and he sounded so funny in Japanese!
[Raymond:] Oh yes.
[Ken:] But who was it? Was it Gregory Peck... or one of them walked into this studio in America, oh James Stewart was it?... And er... this bloke said er... how are you, how are you, how are you? Are you keeping well?... Cos he wanted him to keep making films because he was dub, he do, always dubbed his voice!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] And he sa, he said er, he was very interesting!
[Margaret:] He'd have been out of a job if he'd
[Ken:] He was very, yeah, he was only interested in er... in his what's a name? You know, how he was getting on.
[Margaret:] In his health.
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] And I said I couldn't make it out at first.
[Margaret:] B B C one.
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Wimpy and Tarzan
[Ken:] Oh!
[Margaret:] ... erm... well he played Tarzan, it wasn't called Tarzan it was
[Ken:] Oh er
[Margaret:] called
[Ken:] Broad
[Raymond:] Grey... Greystoke.
[Margaret:] Greystoke.... It was Greystokes, that bought out that.
[Raymond:] Greystokes, wasn't it la er
[Ken:] Er... yeah.
[Margaret:] Lord of Greystokes Manor or something like that?... This is the Chichido Yin
[Ken:] Oh, is that what it is?
[Margaret:] Mm.... I think so.
[Ken:] It was a good book this!
[Margaret:] Yes I know.
[Ken:] They don't... they don't give the film a very good name.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Ken:] Because er... there's no, it was a sa, based on a true
[Raymond:] Well it's about the erm
[Margaret:] his character
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] a bandit.
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] who was on the side of the... people.
[Ken:] A Robin Hood.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] And I
[Raymond:] There was a good Italian film made of this about twenty five years ago.
[Margaret:] Did he from the rich and give to the poor?
[Raymond:] Mm.... And gave some to himself.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] They all turned against him in the end didn't they?
[Raymond:] Mhm... oh yeah.
[Ken:] Although one of them tried to get him to America.
[Raymond:] Mm.... Oh I know him, he's the
[Ken:] Oh Josh Ackland's in this isn't he?
[Margaret:] Is he?
[Ken:] Mm... he's the Godfather.
[Margaret:] You've seen the erm... preview.
[Ken:] trailer.
[Margaret:] Have you got your heating on full Ken?
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Christ it is chilly isn't it? [LAUGHTER] Must be me []!... Seemed quite hot when we came in.
[Ken:] We went, we went to Jeannette's last night and it was roasting in there!
[Margaret:] She must of turns her, hers up full cos it did go cold didn't it... I mean, outside?
[Ken:] Ooh it was, it was
[Margaret:] Because we had sleet... didn't we... last night?... He reminds me of
[Raymond:] Jose Perera.
[Ken:] Oh yeah.
[Margaret:] No, well yes, I suppose.... No, I was thinking of erm
[Raymond:] Size of this bloke! Good grief!
[Margaret:] forgotten his name.
[Ken:] Did you see what's his name tonight?... Didn't have my tea till... while he was on... er... what's his name?... Bob calls him the murderer!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] With a beard
[Raymond:] Not erm
[Ken:] what's his name?
[Raymond:] Cla erm
[Margaret:] What in, Ken?
[Ken:] He does this show tha from Crinkly Bottom doesn't he? He has the chi, the kids all asking him questions... about their parents.
[Margaret:] No, I don't know him....
[Ken:] Yo you have seen him actually, it's
[Raymond:] Oh er Noel
[Ken:] Noel Edmonds.
[Margaret:] Oh him, ah yeah!
[Ken:] He, well he go, he goes into people's houses doesn't he, with this, you know, this hidden camera... well you should of seen the size of this bloke!... He was six one... honestly... he was to his mates, a right con and all this...... it was hanging over me... and he's a lorry driver.
[Margaret:] He hadn't got any Yorkie bars by the sound of it!
[Ken:] Yeah. [tv on]
[Raymond:] That looks like Terence Stamp... photograph!
[Ken:] Terence
[Margaret:] No he's watching through a telescope isn't he?
[Ken:] Terence what's his name? Stamp.
[Raymond:] Stamp.
[Ken:] Stamp....
[Margaret:] You should tape this, I had to tape this, you said when
[Raymond:] Oh no I read about that I've
[Ken:] I've forgotten a lot of it.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] They will have shotguns and ser
[Margaret:] Yeah, it does look like Jose Perera.
[Raymond:] What breed is he? And he's not English is he?
[Ken:] Who?
[Raymond:] This actor.
[Ken:] I've got no idea!
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Ken:] Italian.
[Raymond:] Juliano!
[Ken:] or American.
[Raymond:] That was him.
[Ken:] He's American.
[Raymond:] Erm.
[Ken:] That's pretty near to Italian!
[Raymond:] [cough]
[Margaret:] The only thing interview is being on first.
[Ken:] the first, he must rate the his second wife did it!
[Margaret:] Yes
[Ken:] You know but she can't
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Ken:] kill herself because er, they can't have children and that.
[Margaret:] That's right.
[Ken:] But er
[Margaret:] I don't know what the situation is today, I haven't seen
[Ken:] Oh!
[Margaret:] her for a... few years.... Erm
[Ken:] Is your a sorry state?
[Margaret:] Mhm.... Well Lucy, you're well relaxed there!
[Ken:] Yeah, she's had a busy day!
[Margaret:] I'm trying to keep our dogs out of the lounge cos they've been on the settee that many times
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] and I've... we've taken the... the old settee down to Carrie's... and moved the two seater and the armchair down... this end... and they flew in tonight straight up on the sofa, I said to... it's gonna be tough for a week or so but they've gotta get used to staying on the floor, I'm not having them on the furniture all the time cos they just absolutely ruin it!
[Raymond:] Especially when it's like this, now they go outside and it's
[Margaret:] And they come in, I mean he skids in the hall at night I mean it's my fault I threw the rubber ring towards the kitchen... down the hall... he sort of skidded before he got there and there was a, and he must of had mud er, you know like... like he had
[Ken:] oh that's
[Margaret:] dirt in between his toes
[Ken:] there's there's and we just, what he must of had... and he skidded and there was a blooming long track of mud down the carpet you know!... So Well you just, you just don't think... you know, I mean, about... every time you sprinkle dog wipe
[Raymond:] Well this is the trouble
[Ken:] wiping
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] Or you forget that it's wet, or whatever!
[Raymond:] Yeah.... Like
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] I say, this time of the year, it's rotten!
[Margaret:] That's the thing that even when it's dries out it still clings to the
[Ken:] Well it does, yeah!
[Margaret:] skin... and
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] it just comes off as dust... on
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] on the furniture you know!
[Raymond:] Mm.... I mean they should be in the ruddy kitchen I suppose, but then you get to the stage where it's
[Margaret:] Well they should be outside in a kennel!
[Ken:] That's what I always say!
[Raymond:] Is there any good having a ruddy dog, you know, I mean, why do you have one
[Margaret:] Well we
[Raymond:] to start with?
[Margaret:] we like pets
[Raymond:] You know, I mean it's
[Ken:] Well they're
[Margaret:] they're fairly close
[Ken:] Yes.
[Margaret:] to hand but erm you know, I don't wanna go to bed with them!
[Ken:] Well
[Margaret:] You know, there is a limit!
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] That, you've gotta say well
[Ken:] Yeah well it's a
[Margaret:] you can do this but you can't do that... and and really... they're, they're like children in a way, they will sort of try it on as much as they can get away with it!
[Ken:] Well of course!
[Margaret:] So
[Raymond:] Ooh there!
[Margaret:] Oh what they're doing?... That's why I said to you don't feed them titbits at the table because it's so easy to
[Ken:] It
[Margaret:] get them
[Ken:] well it is, is!
[Margaret:] and they sit there and he's gorping at you while you're eating you know!
[Ken:] And they jus, just just just, yeah I think it's er, it's habit that.
[Margaret:] Well Luc... Lucy, Lucy,Luc! You're not supposed to be on here! We're just talking about that aren't we?... [LAUGHTER]... She's a funny dog!... Aren't you... ay?... You're a funny old sausage!... Yes you are!... [LAUGHTER]... She's getting on a bit now! How old's Lucy now, Ken?... [shouting] Ken []!... He's gone out in the garden now.
[Raymond:] Can't hear.
[Margaret:] either that or banging his head on the wall!... Mm... well this is certainly a nice television!... As telly's go!
[Raymond:] Mm mm.... [sniff]... Seem to be a lot of German... stations on it, aren't there?
[Margaret:] Well... ha, perhaps because of the size of the country then there maybe more stations... than... in France, or maybe it's just the way the satellite... is pointing to pick up... you know, you just happen to pick up more German stations, I don't know!... Well there seem to be quite a few German... er, German! [LAUGHTER]... Quite a few American... erm... documentaries, almost aren't they? Those
[Raymond:] [sniff]
[Margaret:] .
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Peace programmes and that, I don't know whether they're just being broadcast... I mean you wo... you know, Ken, you know those American programmes that were on?
[Ken:] Just a minute!
[Margaret:] I'm just wondering whether they were
[Ken:] Ya.
[Margaret:] were they being transmit, they weren't being picked up from the U S A were they?
[Ken:] I don't know to be honest.
[Margaret:] Unless they're being, unless they transmit them from one satellite to another.
[Ken:] , but whether they are or whether they're
[Margaret:] And then down to us.
[Ken:] re pre-recorded or what, I don't know.
[Margaret:] Oh yes.... I just wondered
[Ken:] But the
[Margaret:] whether the Germans would be, I mean if it's coming from a German... T V station but do they... broadcast American... you know, English speaking programmes there in Germany
[Raymond:] Must do.
[Margaret:] for us to pick them up here I mean.
[Raymond:] [sniff]
[Ken:] Well, I I've er... I don't know how they do it really.
[Margaret:] Because they were all in English, well... American.
[Ken:] Yeah.... I do, I don't know to be honest.
[Margaret:] No.
[Ken:] You just er, you just take it for granted don't you?
[Margaret:] You got a book then?
[Raymond:] Well I mean a film
[Margaret:] just read up on it and let us know!
[Raymond:] it showed you Michael Caine, well that was all dubbed wasn't it?
[Ken:] Oh well no, those are films aren't they?
[Margaret:] Ha, why are you wagging this?
[Raymond:] You mean the documentaries?
[Margaret:] You scallywag!
[Raymond:] Er, oh!
[Ken:] The documentaries and that, I mean er
[Raymond:] Er oh!
[Ken:] I suppose they... th, well they must what's his name? Be, if they dubbed them they must be... pre-recorded.
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] but they, I mean, oh... they weren't dubbed were they? I mean, so they couldn't have been for er er Germany.
[Ken:] No, I mean the, no they can't be for the German audience, they must be for the British.
[Margaret:] Yes... you know.
[Ken:] Al, although some of them... they do them in German
[Margaret:] and
[Ken:] er... well there's one there that's a continual... er... it is American, well it's an American style programme but I mean they advertise... all kinds of things from all
[Margaret:] Mind you, bearing in mind they've still got
[Ken:] but they give the prices at the end.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] They give the prices in all the different countries see?
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] I mean the different
[Margaret:] Different currencies.
[Ken:] currencies.
[Margaret:] Er... I was gonna say they've still got... American bases there haven't they? I know they've been pulling a lot out
[Ken:] Ooh yeah, ooh yeah!
[Margaret:] but there are still American bases.
[Ken:] Well they've still got American bases there.
[Margaret:] So maybe er... maybe they do transmit there.... For
[Ken:] Well they could do.
[Margaret:] the English speaking
[Ken:] Yeah!
[Margaret:] You know?
[Ken:] Well I mean it would
[Margaret:] Troops, forces that are there.
[Ken:] With modern technology it wouldn't be any problem would it?
[Margaret:] We have the the technology!
[Raymond:] The technology!
[Ken:] They're bound to be!
[Margaret:] Build you up... and we can knock you down! [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Kick your arse!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... What did Ken say... they think all they gotta do is kick arses! Who the That one was Tenerife was it?... Cos it said like... like holiday maker so they get up there for a rest!... And he sent a photograph of you know, people in the boat and... eating these things, you know?... I said I must watch that on Monday night, I like the wildlife programmes.
[Raymond:] Yeah, some of them are good!... Trouble is, it's always the disappearing ones isn't it?
[Margaret:] Yes, usually it's... you're sort of bombarded from all sides by
[Raymond:] The doomed!
[Margaret:] the seemingless endless problems that yo... unable to... to do very much about!
[Raymond:] That was a cracker that Dimbleby did!... Done it with Susie.... The part where they went to the erm... the... what do they call it now? The flooded forest
[Margaret:] Oh the erm
[Raymond:] flooded for six months of the year wasn't it?
[Margaret:] The rain for, er no, it wasn't the rain forest, but yes.... The flooded rain forest or something was it?... I think it was.
[Raymond:] Well I don't think it was a rain forest! Was this the river that overflowed in this particular... created this... this lu
[Margaret:] For six months of the year it was under water!
[Raymond:] Yeah!
[Margaret:] The trees and a a all of those
[Raymond:] All these creatures came out of the mud and
[Margaret:] Yes, yeah, I, well I taped it didn't I? Got it on tape then.
[Raymond:] Did you?
[Margaret:] Mm.... Flooded rain forest, I'm sure that's what it was called.... And then, the other six months of the year when the water... recedes... a different sort of species comes and inhabits this area and then
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] again, the cycle
[Raymond:] Amazing!
[Margaret:] it goes on again.... Yeah.... But didn't they have... didn't they say the... fresh water's?
[Raymond:] Yeah. Allsorts!
[Margaret:] It isn't gonna be very deep!
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] But obviously deep enough for er
[Raymond:] Yeah when if... the rains came and... it started to er... pour away, my God it was... tumultuous!... Going down to the valleys.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Mm.... I think it must have been the
[Margaret:] What's that programme that was on the other day about the erm... ohhh!... Where was it? No Ga, was it Ghana?
[Raymond:] About the trees?
[Margaret:] About the, yes, this
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Margaret:] exposee about the
[Raymond:] Ghana.
[Margaret:] er... well that was corruption from the government! Well I suppose most corruption starts at the top doesn't it?... It has to for it to be... festering at the bottom!... But erm
[Raymond:] Good grief man!
[Margaret:] Good Lord Ken!... You've gone to town tonight seeing all this!
[Raymond:] Ooh hell!
[Ken:] No not really
[Margaret:] Er
[Ken:] just a bit of cheese... and a bit of... pate.
[Margaret:] You know it seems it awful really that two of those places were... aren't they?... all these, all the forest
[Raymond:] Oh God!
[Margaret:] fern and
[Raymond:] Thanks er
[Margaret:] I mean if somebody did grow a tree... I mean, it must be harder in that kind of area but... but wi... with the right will for people... to plant a tree and grow it... it's just as easy
[Raymond:] Ahhh.
[Margaret:] as chopping it down!... Well, you know, I mean with
[Raymond:] Up.
[Margaret:] correct management they should be able to... profit from the forests... you know a as well replenish them.
[Raymond:] And so unfortunately, it's the short term that's all they think about!
[Ken:] Ah, it's not.
[Margaret:] At the end of the day it's just greed and profit to gain
[Ken:] If you want a decent tree to grow
[Margaret:] and sod tomorrow!
[Ken:] If you want decent trees it takes a long time to grow them!
[Margaret:] Well the hardwoods, yeah.
[Ken:] Yeah,
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] I mean they don't grow overnight do
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] But even so, I mean... even that can be managed.
[Raymond:] Course it can.... At the moment they just
[Margaret:] What is this Ken?
[Ken:] That's... German smoked.
[Margaret:] You don't have to light it! [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] It's rather nice that!
[Margaret:] Is it?... We've tried this before when
[Ken:] Didn't you try it at... ah ah, try it.
[Margaret:] I can't remember now.... No, I don't think so.
[Raymond:] I don't think we had any cheese did we?... Can't remember that.
[Margaret:] Ee... ah... trouble is you can't see where your cut is... when you slice it like that it, oh here we go!
[Raymond:] Gosh they're going again with... Paul and Cathy.
[Margaret:] Paul and Cathy are going.
[Ken:] Are they?
[Margaret:] Yep.
[Raymond:] Driving again and
[Ken:] Oh it's
[Margaret:] When are they goi, when?... When have they booked for?... Er
[Ken:] [whispering] Ooh I think I'll have a bit of that []....
[Raymond:] May was it?
[Margaret:] Well, I was going to say is it before Ann has the baby?
[Raymond:] It's when Car, yes, no ah
[Margaret:] Is it going to be, it's gonna be about
[Raymond:] Er... I'm not sure.
[Margaret:] Well the baby's... due after May so if they're going in May
[Raymond:] Oh well it'll be a, that's
[Margaret:] It's before Oh is that pate?
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Oh that's okay.... Many thanks.
[Ken:] You can take that with you... that er, if you don't... use it up.
[Margaret:] You don't like the pate?
[Ken:] It's no good to me!
[Margaret:] Well Ray likes it. Oh these are nice!
[Raymond:] I was born to a good life to Born to a good life.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... Well what are you doing here then?
[Ken:] Oh yes!
[Raymond:] Well it hasn't happened yet but still!
[Ken:] Oh!... So was I, I was convinced!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Oh he's even drooled over me look!
[Raymond:] I wish!
[Ken:] And I was always convinced that I would
[Raymond:] Better things.
[Ken:] I was, I was left on... on the doorstep
[Raymond:] The wrong handbag Ken, you was didn't you?
[Ken:] For the rich.
[Margaret:] I read that story Ken. [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] yes.
[Raymond:] What happened?
[Ken:] They kept saying that
[Raymond:] We what?
[Ken:] they never came back for me.
[Raymond:] Saying well here here's an ugly little bugger let's do a swop!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] And they left me instead!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] They took the ugly one!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] So, oh well!
[Ken:] What's that Cheshire one?
[Raymond:] I haven't tried that.
[Ken:] Perhaps er... I got that
[Raymond:] Crumbly, is it?
[Ken:] I got it from, I don't know, I got it from Holston's and I haven't had any from there before.... I went into that Roberses the delicatessen part
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] and er... they were queuing up there so I couldn't be bothered... standing in the queue, so I didn't.
[Margaret:] Didn't get it from there?
[Ken:] I didn't stay there for that.
[Raymond:] Mm, that's distinctive isn't it... the smoked one!
[Ken:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Very nice!
[Ken:] I haven't had... this... particular one before but we used to get... a little used to be able to get it in little... about
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Ken:] tha, that big... and er... no, I expect the
[Raymond:] It's on... [cough]... don't, they reckon they can make Cheshire anywhere now can't they?... No, it's not what it used to be.
[Ken:] There must be somebody who can get it?
[Margaret:] Get what?
[Raymond:] Cheshire cheese is not... necessarily... indigenous to Cheshire now.
[Margaret:] Oh... what,wha
[Raymond:] They make it in lots of places.
[Margaret:] you mean it's been made in Devon
[Ken:] No
[Margaret:] and called Cheshire cheese?
[Raymond:] Well I don't know about Devon, I'm not sure.
[Margaret:] No, I I do, I think it's erm
[Raymond:] Only made in Cheshire?
[Margaret:] I would have thought so.... You mean they're using the recipe somewhere else?
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Margaret:] Oh.
[Raymond:] Making and you
[Margaret:] I don't think so.
[Raymond:] over the over the road into
[Ken:] Whatever!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] whatever.
[Ken:] In North Wales.
[Margaret:] I don't know, I would have thought that... to call it Cheshire cheeses... it must be
[Raymond:] Ain't got any ruddy North Wales cheese or Clwyd, so what?
[Ken:] Perhaps in the
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] used,ya, you used to be able to get it and it would crumble... it was rea, you know real
[Raymond:] Oh yeah that was distinctive part of it.
[Ken:] That cor... It was er
[Margaret:] Not like that now.
[Ken:] No.
[Raymond:] I always remember going to, somewhere with Ken... this girl gave us a lump of cheese, it must of been Cheshire.
[Ken:] Ooh I... I loved that!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] They got this bloody knife... and cut half the bloody cheese, I thought... I mean, I'm not a polite person when it comes to food am I?... Must of had about two ounces on the bloody plate!
[Ken:] Haven't got the thing on now have you, while you... feeding yourself
[Raymond:] No.
[Ken:] up?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Munching []!... He's one of the little munchkins!
[Raymond:] And then, when he was eating the putting the marmalade on his toast in the hotel... the knife
[Ken:] And licked the knife!
[Raymond:] Ooh, oh!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... You scallywag!
[Raymond:] I mean you do that sort of thing at home don't you, but
[Margaret:] You scallywag!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Oh Christ []!
[Margaret:] Yeah!... Yes you are!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]... It's just how he was brought up I suppose an
[Ken:] I remember reading this book... it was... partly, it was about the German Navy
[Margaret:] Mm?
[Ken:] and er... sh, you know... the test before they could become officers... they set captain... set the table, you see the... and... they have this... food that they know how, how to use the cutlery, this was one of the tests of being an officer.
[Margaret:] Oh yeah!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Ken:] You know, to er... they didn't know how to use the cutlery, and, they were, they we, yeah
[Margaret:] Which piece to use for which course.
[Ken:] they weren't, they weren't gentlemen so they couldn't be er... they couldn't be officers.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Oh there's a lot of that well done wasn't there?
[Margaret:] It's called the class structure.
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Or system.
[Raymond:] Well, ironically his creed was supposed to be without that wasn't it... Hitler?... You know, this supreme race but all... more or less equal.
[Margaret:] Well no, that wasn't the case!... He wanted to create... a supreme race didn't he?
[Raymond:] No, but the er... the Germans... they were the supreme body weren't they?
[Margaret:] he's he's... and er... he wanted to create a super race.
[Ken:] But the army was run on the old style wasn't it?
[Raymond:] Of course.
[Ken:] You know, they were the... they were the er... the masters of the army.... Oh well, this was the main course Ray!
[Raymond:] And then of course the Air Force, they'd be one up again I suppose.
[Ken:] Ah well... then maybe
[Margaret:] You mean the Luftwaffe?
[Ken:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Mm mm.
[Margaret:] The....
[Raymond:] Well this is
[Margaret:] Luftwaffe.
[Raymond:] Betty.
[Margaret:] Mm.... Unfortunately there seems to be a resurgence of... of this now doesn't there... in Europe?
[Ken:] Yes.
[Margaret:] This right wing element which is
[Raymond:] Terrible!
[Margaret:] It's frightening really because you think well... you know, I mean... you said the years well that couldn't happen
[Ken:] Well
[Margaret:] again but... but how long does it take before it does happen again? I mean, do the other... do these things happen in cycles and tha... you know, is it possible that it'll happen again on a greater scale?... A grand
[Ken:] Well
[Margaret:] scale, if you like?
[Ken:] it er... I mean, it's... having grounds now because of the recession!
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Ken:] That is, that
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Ken:] is what brought it about er in
[Margaret:] Setting the stage for
[Ken:] in one way, in in
[Margaret:] Although it hasn't... it hasn't come to that in Germany, I mean we'll probably be the poor man of Europe at the moment aren't we?... In this country?
[Ken:] Ah but, I mean it's biting in Germany now because they've got all East Germans!
[Margaret:] That's... yes, yes, that's true.
[Raymond:] Biting before that weren't it? Where
[Margaret:] Erm
[Raymond:] they've had to close down the spi, and that.
[Margaret:] and of course, when, when they... when
[Raymond:] This of course is exacerbated.
[Margaret:] but... the going gets tough it's... it's easy to blame minority groups and this is what happened before wasn't it?
[Raymond:] Like on the ruddy... that's all they're doing now, bringing all these Turks and God knows what!
[Margaret:] Ha!... I mean, even in France, and I mean, in fact, in fact
[Raymond:] East Germany, poor devils they
[Margaret:] in France it's more... it's worse... in in... some respects because er... it seems to be more powerful the erm... the rate of... you know, the feeling of.... I mean what can you, what can we do?... If, it's happening, I mean... what was the Soviet Union I mean it's
[Raymond:] Well I said to Margaret, I wonder
[Margaret:] news on it... it's death and destruction there isn't it?... All these minority
[Raymond:] I wonder
[Margaret:] groups.
[Raymond:] with the Western Groups... after the euphoria of saying oh there, well we've cracked it now!
[Margaret:] We've destroyed communism.
[Raymond:] Are they now regretting it?
[Margaret:] And, I don't
[Raymond:] To some degree.
[Ken:] Well
[Margaret:] No, no I think they've
[Raymond:] And, and the fact that they don't know what's gonna happen, how to contain all this
[Margaret:] Well I think in some respects
[Raymond:] stress.
[Margaret:] they, they wanted the downfall of communism
[Ken:] Oh they did want it!
[Margaret:] but... nevertheless it's better the devil you know!
[Ken:] But, having said that... you know, that... I should imagine that the military... are... regretting it.
[Margaret:] Well I mean, the military will definitely regretting it, in in... the west
[Raymond:] Didn't actually want it to go this far.
[Margaret:] because it means... a reduction in forces in in... all these
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] countries... erm, and as you say, I mean ha... you know, whether they're American generals or or... the Soviet... generals, whatever... er they're all, they're all feeling the pinch now because er
[Raymond:] Oh I didn't mean that, I mean
[Margaret:] At the same time it, I mean the countries wo, have been crippled by the... the burden of er... defence if you like... and we'll call it defence.
[Ken:] And they have!
[Margaret:] Erm, but in fact it's probably for some of the state that we're in now!... But er
[Ken:] I would I wouldn't sa, I wouldn't of said
[Margaret:] There's a price to pay for everything.
[Ken:] that you see... they have created the jobs!
[Margaret:] Yes... yeah... but I don't know, it seems crazy to me when they've
[Raymond:] Well that's false economy that!
[Margaret:] There's such... you know... sort of appalling need
[Ken:] Yes, but that was the get, that was your get out!... Or the... or the er... boost in the, in the economy... you know but erm
[Raymond:] Yeah, but I don't think
[Ken:] but I mean they were mo... they were making
[Raymond:] Might work in our economy, but not in theirs I don't think! Well it hasn't!... But instead
[Ken:] Oh no!
[Raymond:] of getting on with the... five years plans they've put too much effort into producing... war machines!
[Ken:] Well and this is it... I mean, where we could afford it they couldn't!
[Raymond:] Well can we?... Look at America!
[Ken:] Well
[Raymond:] They've got greater means, I know
[Ken:] No, they, they could of they could of... afforded better than the
[Raymond:] Oh yeah!
[Ken:] you know?
[Margaret:] Yeah.... Only just.... So, and unfortunately erm... well
[Ken:] I mean they, they were exploiting... or they had... they had the potential exploit more countries... than Russia did.
[Raymond:] Oh course!
[Ken:] That is er
[Raymond:] Oh yeah, they colonised all these places but... it makes you wonder, you know, you see all this unemployment... and of course this John Major's in his... answer now is ooh well it's the same everywhe, it's not, not here, it's everywhere!... They don't say why?
[Margaret:] Well it is.
[Raymond:] Yeah, but why?
[Margaret:] But
[Ken:] Oh but I mean... that is not the concern, and that is not the question,i the question is what are you going to do about it in our country?... What are
[Raymond:] Exactly!
[Ken:] you
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Exactly!... But I mean the have an excuse don't they?
[Ken:] Well that's... that's it... you know that er... it's an excuse.... I mean, it's a convenient excuse, that is
[Raymond:] Course it is!
[Ken:] that.
[Margaret:] I mean... I was reading in the paper the other day... it was on about recycling
[Ken:] Yes, just a please.
[Margaret:] And the different counties
[Raymond:] Say stop!
[Margaret:] and the way they've approached it and some
[Raymond:] Yep.
[Margaret:] of the more progressive ones, you know they've er... addressed the problem of... rubbish and... recycling wo erm... one spokesperson for... somewhere like Milton Keynes, I think it was... said there's... you know, there's no money to made out of ri, recycling
[Ken:] No.
[Raymond:] and yet he said
[Ken:] Not at the moment.
[Margaret:] that they would save... erm... on the erm actual tipping of rubbish
[Ken:] How isn't there any money
[Margaret:] because
[Ken:] to be made out of recycling
[Margaret:] Well... well this is what
[Raymond:] Well at the moment it's so dear
[Margaret:] well what he meant was
[Raymond:] to
[Margaret:] th, I mean he said they
[Raymond:] process it.
[Margaret:] we are not
[Ken:] Well
[Margaret:] we are not dealing with anything that we cannot
[Raymond:] In the short term.
[Margaret:] sell.... In
[Raymond:] Ah.
[Margaret:] other words they were selling glass, and they were selling... metal... back to... whatever... and manufacturers... to re-use... but... in terms of collecting and the cost of collecting it all and and
[Raymond:] That's expensive!
[Margaret:] handling all this it's, yeah.... The cost that they were... having to bear were greater than what they were actually getting back on the sale of this stuff. But, at the same time... the... normal sort of refuse if you like, disposable... was being reduced... because
[Raymond:] That's right!
[Margaret:] these other items weren't in the normal refuse collection and therefore they were going to sort of reduce them from a weekly collection to a
[Ken:] Well that's if
[Margaret:] fortnightly collection, so they would be saving in that
[Ken:] Well that... er
[Raymond:] But not saving to these
[Ken:] that's if
[Raymond:] particular firms
[Ken:] that
[Raymond:] that they want.
[Ken:] that's if
[Margaret:] No.... Mm.
[Ken:] That is... their own fault... because according to, there was a programme on there and it was saying... they, they must be selling it to these firms that recy, that use it
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] they must be selling it
[Margaret:] Well they will do.
[Ken:] them very cheap... because it was sa, this programme was on about recycling
[Margaret:] No thanks.
[Ken:] and it said... about tin cans and aluminium and that... and it was costing them less... excuse me... to use recycled... you know er... used aluminium
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] and used steel cans and that... it was costing them... less to use that... than it was to use
[Margaret:] Brand new stuff.
[Ken:] yeah.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] So, I mean... to me, I don't know whether I'm right, but... that my first thought is that they must be buying it very
[Margaret:] It's gotta be profitable
[Ken:] they must be buying it very cheap then?
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] So, so the people that are not making any money out of it by doing it... are selling it to them very cheap... so it is their own fault!
[Margaret:] I think initially er
[Raymond:] It's only it's been cheaper to
[Margaret:] now has got a cost more... in the initial
[Ken:] Well it does
[Margaret:] stages... until it's sort of, set up, until... everyone is sort of you know... geared into doing this... kind of... you know, like all the glass goes here, all the metal goes here, all the goes there
[Raymond:] Well yes, because they're not
[Margaret:] and all the companies that are responsible for... for re-using it... and all the... distribution network is set up for collecting an an... sending it from here to there... you know, once that network is going then surely
[Raymond:] Oh yes!
[Margaret:] it's gotta be... useful because... instead of going... you know... from one sort at one end and going out the other and never being... ever seen again... it's going
[Raymond:] That's right!
[Margaret:] in a circle and, and... surely that's gotta be cheaper once a network is set up?... And it's a, it's an ongoing thing
[Raymond:] Yeah!
[Ken:] You know I mean, oh oh di... you know I mean... it's to theorise, I suppose but I mean all it takes really is to have... three bins.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] You have your paper... you have your... bottles you know alright... initially as you say... it take, it costs... but
[Margaret:] To set it up
[Ken:] it does, to set it up,yo you have... you have, you'll have to have three, three what's his names? Three, three bin men... to come and collect it.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] Or no, you have to have three containers.
[Raymond:] But they do it in Canada!
[Ken:] Well this is what I'm saying!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] But I mean
[Raymond:] Even even got one
[Ken:] you see
[Raymond:] for plastic!
[Ken:] but, but there... well yo, you could have four, you could have as many as you like
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Ken:] but I mean... surely, in the long term
[Raymond:] Course!
[Ken:] but that co
[Margaret:] idea he doesn't drink beer, so you can have his for
[Ken:] Well no, but I mean like
[Raymond:] But that's the key word is the long term Ken!
[Ken:] like you sell, you sell that back... to them... that that pays... the man's wages that is doing it!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] But it's the short term isn't it, with them?... They just thinking well we haven't got the machinery to cope with this!... It's easier for us
[Margaret:] No the
[Raymond:] to buy the new raw material and process it
[Margaret:] Yeah I said
[Raymond:] and it... ah
[Ken:] Ah but
[Raymond:] but yeah, I know but the
[Ken:] well this is the
[Raymond:] This is the way the government's gotta act now!
[Ken:] Ah well, well this is it
[Margaret:] Well this is it it, it has to be done!
[Raymond:] They won't!
[Margaret:] Generated the
[Ken:] This is the trouble
[Raymond:] It's a joke!
[Ken:] this is the trouble with this country... because it's has has...
[Margaret:] I mean look at Germany!
[Ken:] Yeah, but I mean they will make progress, I mean this colony
[Margaret:] And
[Ken:] is... would never
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Ken:] advance!... I mean that's why we lost our moto... er... motorcycle industry
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Ken:] it's why we've lost most of our industry... because they won't, they won't invest in new machinery or mo, new methods!
[Margaret:] Modernisation.
[Ken:] I mean they've
[Raymond:] Just won't look ahead!
[Ken:] You see it's the same as they said on there... we've had all these inventions
[Margaret:] and they get by our country.
[Ken:] and they get, they get in this country... and then they go and exploit them in another country!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] So where's the
[Raymond:] Computer's the... finest example of that... produced
[Margaret:] But
[Raymond:] in Manchester!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] This government says ooh we can't afford that, no, it's a... it's a gimmick!... The Yank says we will!... Bingo!
[Margaret:] And look, this used to be
[Raymond:] We could of held them to ransom!
[Margaret:] one of the best education systems in the world!... And I mean
[Raymond:] I know, it isn't now!
[Margaret:] won't be here now... well you could... sliding right
[Ken:] I know!
[Margaret:] down the scale!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] We're terrible!
[Raymond:] We're way behind Germany, France
[Margaret:] ... you can only cut back
[Raymond:] Russia
[Margaret:] and prune back so much in the name of efficiency before... sooner
[Ken:] Well
[Margaret:] or later things su suffer!
[Ken:] There was, there was a programme on Channel Four there to... I was watching... before I picked my book up... and... they had Conservative... Labour bloke and the independent er... Liberals... and these were supposedly... they have on on er Channel Four a a programme called Week in Politics... anyway... this night, this, tonight they were doing a... a fu, they had a floating audience, supposedly a floating audience...
[Margaret:] You mean, they were under water?
[Ken:] flo,fa floating vo er voters
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Ken:] er... until, until the end... and they had a poll of er... who... who has been persuaded to vote... for... the three la, you know, what had they done to...
[Margaret:] Oh they had to... to say who they supported and
[Ken:] vote for the three, that's right... and there was one... one put their hand up for... he persuaded them that Ne, Neil Kinnock would be a good leader, that was it... er... so one put their hand up for him... one put their hand up for Major... and she had the cheek to say
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] that that is only because I'm a Conservative!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER] And it was supposed to be, if the audience was supposed to be voting [] and I mean... but the... quite... the majority of them... er... put their hands up for... Paddy Ashdown.
[Margaret:] Yeah... he's a very persuasive... character
[Ken:] Well when and he wasn't on... he wasn't on, but he he at the... towards the end... they gave the three of them... thirty seconds to describe the go, you know, the qualities of... of the
[Margaret:] Of a good leader.
[Ken:] of of of er... their leader
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] and... the one... one for the Libs... he only used twenty seconds, twenty two seconds!
[Margaret:] And he finished?
[Ken:] And, you know... he said... I'm sure Paddy Ashdown would think that you could of found something else [LAUGHTER] to use the other
[Margaret:] To say.
[Ken:] eight seconds up []!... But er... but... he ended up, you know... as sure as they've asked er the
[Margaret:] something to say
[Ken:] the show of hands, like he was er... he was the one that the floating voters were
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] But
[Margaret:] I mean
[Ken:] But only
[Margaret:] He, he looks a very persuasive kind of character doesn't he erm... I mean he's, he's quite sort of erm... well a nice person... well he
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] seems to be!
[Ken:] But er
[Margaret:] But... you know
[Ken:] Well see... wha wha down... there was a couple there in their leather jackets... look, looked a cli... couple... you know, the boy and girl... couple of yobbos!... Looked a right couple of yobbos... And... er... well what day is it like?... Well he says er... how could you vote for Kinnock he says... because the press attacks him and he doesn't defend himself!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... But your dukes up Neil!
[Ken:] You know!
[Margaret:] Yeah, well
[Ken:] And this is the mentality of them!
[Raymond:] Childish!
[Margaret:] I mean... ha... when it comes down to it, at the end of the day... today... we we live in... er a media orientated world don't we? We turn on the box
[Ken:] Well
[Margaret:] and we... we see what... is fed to us there, we pick up, you pick up the... you know, the comic strip papers... you know,yo you see headlines there, most of it is is... you know... Tory... sort of dominated.
[Ken:] Orientated.
[Margaret:] But er... that... so it depends whether you, whether you actually think about what you're seeing and what you're reading and
[Ken:] Well
[Margaret:] what you're hearing doesn't it?
[Ken:] Well I mean, I I take the Express
[Margaret:] Mmmm.
[Ken:] and
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] they say that ad, it pays to advertise... I mean, to me advertising has never done... anything for me... well I don't think it has anyway... but if... it pays to advertise and look at... the number of people that read the Express
[Margaret:] What do you want Lucy?
[Ken:] you know, the... that... would
[Margaret:] What?
[Ken:] convert a lot of people if they
[Raymond:] Oh yes!
[Ken:] definitely because it it is
[Margaret:] No!
[Ken:] you know, I I I don't, I don't look at the first four pages in the Express... cos that's
[Raymond:] No.
[Ken:] all it is! It's running Labour down
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Same old stuff!
[Ken:] And... yeah.
[Margaret:] Well in a
[Ken:] and
[Margaret:] way
[Ken:] how good John Major is and how good
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Ken:] and the Tory, you know... they're giving them victory because they they... supposedly we're we're up to the, up to as many er... we're level with the... with the Labour party now.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] And they are, you know, this is a victory!
[Margaret:] Yeah... it's pathetic!... I I I think really they er... they forget that that there's a... quite a large number of the population, they do think about what's going on, and they're not all children and they're not... and aren't all that easy... easily persuaded.... But, having said that [LAUGHTER] there is... but there are, but there as well!
[Ken:] No but I mean,the there's but there's a lot of people, you see... when you say they're not easily persuaded... that... are working class... that are voting Tory... and they're not easily persuaded they cha
[Margaret:] Well they did, I
[Ken:] just changed their mind!
[Margaret:] Mm.... Well... having... seen a little bit... erm... was on the other day and I I mean I... I must admit I touch... shut up you! Nothing to do with you!... A lot of what's erm... you know, going on now, I mean, is just gonna go off as far I'm concerned cos I mean I've already made up my mind.
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] I'm a loyal supporter!
[Ken:] Well that's it!
[Margaret:] And that's it!... But erm... you know o, I mean it's, there's so much analysis and what not, I mean I I think most, most people must do the same... a lot of them have made their minds up and the ones who haven't... either don't really care
[Ken:] No!
[Margaret:] or... they're so serious about it that they'll probably be watching everything, you know, just to sort of make sure that they know everything about
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] every party!
[Ken:] Yeah.... And making sure I get the right one.
[Margaret:] But I think the majority of them just won't bother anyway, to watch
[Ken:] No.
[Margaret:] they've already made their minds up... and a... and definitely a lot of people vote on on... on basically the choice
[Ken:] On the spur of the mom... on the spur
[Margaret:] Well
[Ken:] of the moment, on the day
[Margaret:] think well they've had long enough now we'll... we'll have a switch you know
[Ken:] Or or the... they like the look of the bloke, they like his photograph
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] and they'll go and vote for him!
[Margaret:] That's right.... And I mean there's that been that much... publicity about Neil Kinnock... you know, or anti... Neil
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Kinnock publicity.... But er, I mean a lot of people say ooh, you know, I wouldn't trust him with it!... And they didn't really know anything about the blooming bloke you know! Well he's never been
[Ken:] Of course not!
[Margaret:] in power before well
[Ken:] It's only what they've read in the newspaper!
[Margaret:] Neither has... blooming John Major you know! Neither has... blooming Maggie Thatcher before she came in, you know! I mean it's
[Ken:] Well I mean you've only got lo
[Margaret:] They'll be a first time [LAUGHTER] for everything []!
[Ken:] You've got to take the way her
[Margaret:] Wack
[Ken:] her image changed
[Margaret:] Wack a wack a wack!
[Ken:] over the years
[Margaret:] Mm, yeah.
[Ken:] the voice... the
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] shape of... the shape of her face and hair....
[Margaret:] In fact I think that Spitting Image dummy was more like her than she was!
[Ken:] You you loo, you look
[Margaret:] Mhm.
[Ken:] at the years... how she changed, practically every year!... Her image changed.
[Margaret:] Well... it started to become like er
[Ken:] A a little what do they call them? These dolls.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] What do they call them?
[Margaret:] Barbie doll.
[Ken:] Barbie doll... and that's what she was.
[Margaret:] Well no, not as attractive as a Barbie doll!
[Ken:] Well... no, but
[Margaret:] But
[Ken:] I'm... but the style was there...
[Margaret:] She,i it was... it was becoming like a dictatorship!... It was her at the helm
[Ken:] Ooh well this is what it beca, it did
[Margaret:] And and th the so called democratic, you know, choice of all these poli, all these MP's and what not which would comprise... parliament and government and head of the Tory party at the time... you know i... it really... their voices on the, on the... the cabinet... you know, they were, they were just destroyed!
[Ken:] Well, you said... you know you, we were on about Germany and, and becoming you know... could it happen again?... If... if she'd of had her way... she would of been the dictator of this
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] country, and she would of been in power forever!
[Margaret:] Oh I know!
[Ken:] You know that's, she would of been wanting to ma, make her life president or whatever it was!... I think she would of done with the Que, er done away with the Queen to get
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... Yes, I think there was a bit of competition on there wasn't
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] there?
[Ken:] I'm convinced
[Margaret:] But
[Ken:] she wouldould!
[Margaret:] Yeah, I mean
[Ken:] If it meant her staying in power that, I mean she
[Margaret:] Well
[Ken:] would of done it she would of got rid of them to make sure she... she stayed there.
[Margaret:] Yes it came to er
[Ken:] Are you tired?
[Margaret:] A fine state of affairs didn't it
[Raymond:] No, I'm alright Ken, yeah.
[Margaret:] with her... even her own party... giving
[Ken:] Well
[Margaret:] her the heave-ho!
[Ken:] Well this is it.
[Margaret:] You know, I mean tha
[Ken:] She was... they I mean she was go
[Margaret:] That's how it must be.
[Ken:] she was going too far for them
[Margaret:] Well
[Ken:] she must of been.
[Margaret:] well this is it... I think she was beginning to endanger her chances of re-election and I think
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] they let her go on too long and it
[Ken:] Well to be but er
[Margaret:] And er
[Ken:] but they did let her go on too long!
[Margaret:] I mean it's turned into a bit of a joke now really
[Ken:] Yes it has.
[Margaret:] hasn't it? You know, our policies are working, I mean after thirteen years
[Ken:] Well they've had long enough to do it!
[Margaret:] And this recession that we've been coming out of for so many years now it's... I mean it's just turned into a bit of a joke!...
[Raymond:] They're all making money for themselves aren't they?... That's why I'm suspicious
[Ken:] Well
[Raymond:] of the Labour party!
[Margaret:] Well
[Ken:] The Labour party?
[Margaret:] No, I don't
[Raymond:] The big shots you know!... Money in the bank
[Margaret:] No I don't...
[Ken:] Well
[Raymond:] Whe whe when they're small they're Ken
[Margaret:] I, I
[Raymond:] but once they get a
[Ken:] Well ah now... what have I said to you...?
[Raymond:] Para... power corrupts I know.
[Ken:] Mm Mm, yes.
[Margaret:] And that's the way power corrupts.
[Raymond:] But, well it's what I've just said!
[Ken:] Yeah but I mean
[Margaret:] That's true.
[Ken:] you'd never agree with before!
[Raymond:] No you we, you was... relating it to... to... power in this country to any country and saying
[Margaret:] Any country.
[Raymond:] it was exact, identical.
[Margaret:] Well it is.
[Raymond:] And that's what I... disagreed with.
[Margaret:] It is.
[Raymond:] I I said
[Margaret:] It is
[Raymond:] you can't compare the ca, the power like just say... in a place like Turkey... which is absolutely rotten! They got no law at all, or very little... with, with the
[Ken:] Well it's corruption!
[Raymond:] Ooh yeah! I mean, if a little kid in the in the
[Ken:] And that is, that is what
[Raymond:] in the in the playground er
[Ken:] Well that's what it amounts to!
[Raymond:] You know
[Ken:] It's corruption!
[Raymond:] coerces some kid into selling him his marbles, that's corruption isn't it?... But there are levels aren't there? One... one is more extreme than the other.... So we've got corruption in us probably... so it depends upon the degree
[Ken:] Well, yes we have.
[Raymond:] but you don't expect to get out of the ruddy
[Margaret:] Aha.
[Raymond:] Socialist Party!... Because
[Ken:] Why not?... Because I said to yo, I said to you that it was the same in Russia!
[Margaret:] And how much corruption have you discovered in the Socialist Party?... The Labour Party?
[Raymond:] Have I discovered? You mean have I seen
[Margaret:] Well how much?
[Raymond:] on the television
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] these people that
[Ken:] Well what do you
[Raymond:] talk with two tongues and say
[Ken:] Well what do you know about them that you say they've
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Ken:] they've got er
[Margaret:] What do you base your i, your
[Raymond:] What happens when they retire?
[Margaret:] Well what happens when they retire?
[Raymond:] Do they end up... working the way we've got to bloody work... here... on this tiny pension... or the pension that they've earned as an MP
[Margaret:] Well have retired from the Labour
[Raymond:] Well alright
[Margaret:] Party.
[Raymond:] Harold Wilson, prime example
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] rich man!... Lord Wilson
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] socialist, I mean
[Ken:] Well how da, how do you know what?
[Raymond:] They're supposed to be against all that aren't they?
[Ken:] Wait a minute!... How do you know he's a rich man... and what do you class... what do yo, what do you base in rich?
[Raymond:] Well a man that's got more than one home for a start!
[Ken:] Yeah.... Well er
[Raymond:] Because that's erm
[Margaret:] You must have been rich then... a couple of years ago?... When you brought a second home!
[Raymond:] Now don't talk ru, you know what I'm on about!
[Margaret:] No, I don't, no!
[Raymond:] I don't mean a bloody home like that!
[Margaret:] No,
[Ken:] Er, wait a minute Ray!... He's he's, he's lead a public life
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Ken:] so he can write... he can write a few books, he can go out there and talk
[Margaret:] Mhm.
[Ken:] So he earns money, is that a, is that a corruption of his job?
[Raymond:] No, well... talking to earn money, no!
[Ken:] Do you agree?... Yo, I mean
[Raymond:] If he er, if he gets paid by
[Ken:] It's the same
[Raymond:] the hour.
[Ken:] It is the sa, it is the sa, it is the same as Maggie Thatcher going to America now
[Raymond:] Course it is!
[Ken:] And she's
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] pa, and she's paid half a
[Raymond:] Well i
[Ken:] million pounds for her
[Raymond:] Well tha that that is
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] worse isn't it?
[Ken:] So I mean, er I dunno
[Raymond:] But it's it's the degree How can that how can that man as a socialist... justify earning... well I don't know what he gets, but we'll say he doesn't
[Ken:] Well
[Raymond:] get as much as Thatcher, say he gets... forty thousand
[Margaret:] Well no, I didn't know no you don't
[Ken:] Oh, now wait a, wait a minute! Now I, I have said to, I have said to you
[Raymond:] He's a rich man
[Ken:] that everybody
[Raymond:] and he shouldn't be!
[Ken:] everybody should earn the same.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Ken:] But you all said... that it depends on his skill or his what's his name
[Raymond:] Or how many kids he's got.... If I've got twenty five kids and you've only got one yo, I need more than you!... So how can you possibly all earn the same?
[Margaret:] Why not?
[Raymond:] Well you wouldn't have enough would you, to su... sustain all those
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] kids?... Why?
[Ken:] You'd have to get enough to live on.
[Raymond:] I can't see that!
[Ken:] I mean er
[Raymond:] No, I can't see the argument!
[Ken:] Well, to me you shouldn't have twenty five kids anyway!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Well that's dictatorship
[Ken:] Because because it, I would have a dictatorship on that! I mean that's, I would have
[Raymond:] Well that's, alright well... well that's
[Ken:] control of the world population, I se
[Margaret:] I would limit to two children.
[Ken:] I would er, have control of the
[Raymond:] That's another argument!
[Ken:] world population.
[Raymond:] Well fair enough! But
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] that is another argument! It is, we're on the road.
[Ken:] That is er, that would mu, that would be my first priority.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Oh! I thought your first one was everyone getting
[Ken:] I'm not go
[Raymond:] the same pay!
[Ken:] Yes, so everybody
[Raymond:] So
[Ken:] would need the same pay.
[Margaret:] But no matter what you'd, you know at the end of the week or the year or whatever
[Ken:] No, but I mean... I mean
[Margaret:] there's all those people who have the same pay, that at the end of the year they would end up with different amounts... because people would manage money differently
[Ken:] Differently
[Margaret:] some would spend it
[Ken:] Of course they would!
[Margaret:] as soon as they get it
[Raymond:] Oh yeah.
[Margaret:] some would go into hock... and spend it before they get it
[Ken:] before they got it yeah.
[Margaret:] some would save it, and be frugal!
[Ken:] Alright, alright then
[Margaret:] Which is what the Tories want you see
[Ken:] What I want
[Raymond:] I think the trouble is
[Ken:] I want
[Margaret:] no, you're defending them!
[Ken:] I won't give anybody any money... you can go to the shop and buy what you basically need.
[Raymond:] You see yo
[Ken:] No but we're devia
[Raymond:] your
[Ken:] we're deviating on the subject
[Raymond:] well you did... because your, straight away you go onto money... which is our God isn't it?
[Ken:] Well, no but you said it was corruption
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Ken:] and I've only yo mentioned, well you mentioned money because you mentioned Harold Wilson
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Ken:] with two homes... and you said the money they get!
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Ken:] So you brought the subject of the money up!
[Raymond:] No, no
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] but you're on about something else, you said the first thing I'd do, that's got nothing to do with Harold Wilson... the first thing I if I were in power
[Ken:] But there would
[Raymond:] which
[Ken:] be like I
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] say, we're deviating on the
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Ken:] subject!
[Raymond:] no no no but I'm pa if
[Ken:] So go on yo
[Raymond:] I were in power there wouldn't be any money... no need for it!... Then you
[Ken:] Well I
[Raymond:] wouldn't have all
[Ken:] I
[Raymond:] the arguments!
[Ken:] I know that!
[Raymond:] So you wouldn't
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] say that at all!
[Ken:] No.
[Margaret:] Yeah.... And what would you do
[Raymond:] But in the case of these people that... start off
[Ken:] So why why should
[Raymond:] Fair do's they start off in University, clever blokes... and a lot of them worked in the mines, Shinwells... what's his name? Beven... miners
[Margaret:] Just for money!
[Raymond:] Well I won't say... Beven... because it's a bloody shame what happened to him! But never the less... a lot of them started off like that didn't they?... Another one is Foot.
[Ken:] Ah but er he
[Raymond:] And... as they get into, as you say, power and I quite agree... somebody has a talk with them so look here
[Ken:] We know
[Raymond:] we know you're a socialist
[Ken:] But you still earned a few bob to get on.
[Raymond:] But er, you you we're gonna make you a nice one and join the bloody club... so you'll be... an armchair socialist... and we look after you... and that's what they are!... Callaghan is another example... two or three homes... big Jim with all his bloody money what does he care about working people?... And this feller Kinnock's the same, you can see the style of them!
[Margaret:] I think he must be
[Raymond:] Bloody big cuffs!... cufflinks!
[Margaret:] I think you I think you've been saying
[Ken:] Ah well, no not
[Raymond:] Saville Row shirts!
[Ken:] No, you're making him it's
[Margaret:] I think if you
[Ken:] mistake, you're making a mistake there!
[Margaret:] as the leader of the Labour Party or the Liberal Party
[Ken:] You have got to keep up with you've gotta keep up with
[Margaret:] to go
[Ken:] image... and how to be
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Ken:] a leader in this country!
[Raymond:] No, you haven't!
[Margaret:] You can't expect, yes you have!
[Raymond:] Foot never did!
[Margaret:] You have!
[Raymond:] Michael Foot?
[Ken:] What did he, what where did it get him?
[Raymond:] Well you just said you just go you just said you've gotta give them a
[Ken:] How long did it last? How long did it how long did it last?
[Margaret:] Are you, are telling... are you telling me that you'd vote for somebody in rags on the television who promised you a better future?
[Raymond:] I did!
[Margaret:] What do you mean you did?
[Raymond:] Voted for Foot.
[Margaret:] Who did you sa, oh!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] You sod!... You did not!... And he was never in power anyway!
[Raymond:] He was, he was the Prime Minister!
[Ken:] Oh he was
[Margaret:] Well!
[Ken:] not!... He was never the Prime
[Margaret:] He wasn't, Michael Foot?
[Raymond:] Oh I know he put in there.
[Margaret:] Oh no he
[Raymond:] He should of been.
[Ken:] He's never been president of
[Margaret:] He was very outspoken he was a very outspoken
[Raymond:] He should of been!
[Ken:] He was leader of the
[Raymond:] But the first bloody... only the... the way they should dress!
[Margaret:] Ah, yes well ah, that's got nothing to do with it!
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Margaret:] But now it has!
[Raymond:] I mean he's probably got more money than they've bloody got! The it's all a blind anyway those rags he goes round in!
[Margaret:] Duffel coat, he got he got censored
[Ken:] There's
[Margaret:] because he wore a duffel coat instead
[Raymond:] Well it's like
[Ken:] That man underneath a duffel coat
[Raymond:] What did Ken say about this chap from Vauxhalls?... Convena did all his work... and they asked him to go to London... you know, there's some was on years ago... so he goes to the headquarters and he said he just couldn't believe it, he turned on him and said... you're a shallow bloody hypocrite he said! Those lads down there they're fighting... living on their ruddy... strike pay... and look at you lot!... He said they were there the whisky was flowing... you know hypocrites!... And he said, oh come on you're here have a bloody good
[Margaret:] Well
[Raymond:] time you know.
[Margaret:] on your argument then... anybody who... who works their way up through the ranks and gets to the top... has gotta become corrupted!... That's what you're saying, no ma
[Raymond:] Well if there i if there in a
[Margaret:] no matter who, no matter what!
[Raymond:] If they're in a corrupt society... and when they get to that position they... they don't do anything about it and accept
[Ken:] Well they
[Raymond:] it and take
[Ken:] they don't
[Raymond:] the bribes, well yes I agree this is the
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] the
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] basis of the mafia isn't it?
[Ken:] Ah, you see if... if you don't, I mean... it's not, it doesn't happen in, in every walk of life... but in big business and in politics... if you don't
[Margaret:] You have to modify your
[Raymond:] I'll tell you, I'll tell you how
[Ken:] No, no if you don't tow the line
[Raymond:] Exactly!
[Ken:] If you just don't
[Margaret:] if you'd be elected
[Raymond:] Yes... and you don't modify you... what happens?
[Ken:] You don't get anywhere!
[Margaret:] You don't get elected which is what happened
[Raymond:] Well
[Margaret:] to the Labour government
[Raymond:] No
[Margaret:] last time!
[Raymond:] oh well, oh well apart apart from being
[Margaret:] No.
[Raymond:] elected
[Margaret:] fifty percent of the population
[Raymond:] apart from that
[Margaret:] wanted control on nuclear weapons, or wanted to abolish nuclear weapons but they the the... Labour government didn't get in... on that basis... so they had to modify their... and I mean as
[Raymond:] Well you can use that for any argument then
[Ken:] But I mean but what what
[Raymond:] can't you?
[Ken:] what I want
[Raymond:] Do everything the tories do because we're not gonna get in!
[Margaret:] Well
[Ken:] Well well no I mean it's not
[Raymond:] Well that's what they've bloody done near enough!
[Margaret:] Well yeah!
[Ken:] And another thing that I fifty thousand
[Margaret:] The, they... it's a
[Raymond:] Mean time all the vil, all the... mines are closing are they gonna say well yes well
[Ken:] Well well we've gotta do that because... be be being practical.
[Margaret:] Well I think it's a very being short sighted thing to do to erm
[Ken:] Well I I think I think you'll find that well if Labour gets in
[Raymond:] I mean it's
[Ken:] they will, they will scra, they would find that most of the
[Margaret:] I hope they'll rescind that.
[Ken:] mos, they wo, they wouldn't rescind it.
[Raymond:] What the mines?
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Ken:] They wouldn't close them.
[Margaret:] The closure of the mines.
[Ken:] No!
[Margaret:] I think
[Raymond:] Well they can't close the ones that's already
[Margaret:] Don't you think so?
[Raymond:] gone in eight
[Ken:] Oh!
[Raymond:] nineteen eighty one can they? They've
[Ken:] Oh I know!
[Raymond:] gone! Closed!
[Margaret:] Well
[Ken:] Yeah but I'm, I I know I don't
[Margaret:] Well some of them certainly
[Raymond:] And they closed one the other week that's flooded now
[Margaret:] will definitely
[Raymond:] so that's
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] I don't think that this
[Ken:] They, they won't they they wouldn't
[Raymond:] can't rescind that!
[Ken:] they wouldn't bring
[Margaret:] But I
[Ken:] money on the mining
[Raymond:] And that goes for a lot of businesses!
[Margaret:] I mean, there's enough coal... in the United Kingdom to last for another two hundred years!
[Raymond:] Yeah!
[Margaret:] And that could possibly be the only, and ah... I mean it's it's a
[Ken:] Ah but
[Margaret:] it's a dirty fuel to use at the moment but they're all, there are means being developed even now on
[Raymond:] Well I've no doubt in twenty
[Margaret:] I mean
[Raymond:] years time the tories will re-open them
[Margaret:] much it's it's far
[Raymond:] at at great cost to us!
[Margaret:] Ah but you see
[Raymond:] Nothing to stop them!
[Margaret:] that... it's
[Ken:] Well
[Margaret:] very short sighted to get rid of that now! I mean, we're buying coal which is subsidised abroad... so therefore it's cheaper for us to buy it... and bring it in, but what happens when all, all our home supplies have dried up
[Raymond:] I know I know
[Margaret:] and we can't them any more?
[Raymond:] Well
[Margaret:] You know we, very well what'll
[Raymond:] but what happen
[Margaret:] happen!... When, when that market's been pruned
[Raymond:] alright
[Margaret:] down and the only
[Raymond:] what happen
[Margaret:] place you can get it but the price is!
[Raymond:] What happened in nineteen eighty one?
[Margaret:] They're so short sighted!
[Raymond:] What did Bob say about the miners?... When, you know when that strike was on... but it's... like a lot of people
[Margaret:] What did he say about the
[Raymond:] Ooh that
[Margaret:] teachers?
[Raymond:] bloody lot of, bloody lot of clowns! Arthur Scargill... bloody clown!... Now
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] those fellers fought to keep those mines open... and they got one of lot miners divided and said oh bugger them!... The fellers in the Midlands was it?
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Yo er... Notin
[Ken:] Yes.
[Raymond:] Nottingham round there?
[Ken:] St. Helens
[Raymond:] Ooh bloody no
[Ken:] Wa wa wa wa wa wa wa
[Raymond:] and they ploughed twenty five million into their mines and said your jobs are guaranteed now fore, forget it you know, you're alright for thirty years what.... Now they're closing the bloody things!... Now, you know we sho... something should of happened then... they should of prolonged that strike... to destroy these buggers and said no you're not gonna close them!... But the peop... lot of people agreed with it!
[Ken:] Well of course!
[Raymond:] They said they weren't being
[Ken:] But
[Raymond:] realistic!
[Ken:] what do they do, they divide and conquer Ray!
[Raymond:] Yeah but why should bloody intelligent people go along with it Ken? That's what gets my plate!
[Ken:] Because they, because the intelligent people weren't involved!
[Raymond:] No I mean, I'm talking about the people... who are not actually... er, you know
[Ken:] I i if
[Raymond:] concerned directly but give
[Ken:] But
[Raymond:] their approval... for these
[Ken:] But they're
[Raymond:] people.
[Ken:] they're not involved, the people... the people that give their approval are the people that want it!... And I mean er, and
[Raymond:] Yeah but I mean
[Ken:] and also... they, they get the masses on their side by the media!
[Raymond:] I know!
[Ken:] The same as they're
[Raymond:] Exactly!
[Ken:] doing now with the... I mean... what paper have you got?
[Raymond:] I know, well there you are!
[Ken:] A Labour paper!
[Raymond:] This is what terrifies me!
[Ken:] And what's, what's er... what's your chance?
[Raymond:] The Mirror.
[Margaret:] Where's that ball gone?
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Margaret:] Bring that ball here!
[Raymond:] You got no bloody chance!... But as I say, people believe everything, it's gospel!... And you never hear the Labour party criticising.... You know, but they should be... criticised out of hand what's going on in this country but they bloody don't!
[Ken:] Well when when... if if the Labour party criticised... and they do criticise
[Raymond:] Oh they criticise Ken, yeah.
[Ken:] The only time that you will hear about it is whe, if you have the television on... and you see it happening on the parliament... and on your papers.
[Raymond:] Well you read your paper don't you?... And we get a middle of the road one which is the Observer
[Ken:] We we'll watch
[Raymond:] which is, they get some... they do some pretty good
[Ken:] But how often do the... I mean, they... they don't give you... they don't give you every detail that's gone on all week!
[Raymond:] Oh no they're or there's certain ar
[Ken:] they only pick
[Raymond:] a certain subject or
[Ken:] Yes.
[Raymond:] whatever that's been thrashed.
[Ken:] As you say, we'll see.... Well... he's gone on... seven days of the week... complaining about so and so... we'll just narrow that down to one article about his... his complaint that they may just make a little note... he's complained seven times about this!... So you see a little article
[Raymond:] That's right.
[Ken:] he's not complaining!
[Raymond:] Yeah, but I mean basic things Ken, we'll take for example the low wages
[Ken:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] we, we haven't got one now, they got one in Germany, they got one in France... I in
[Ken:] Yes.
[Raymond:] Italy.
[Ken:] Well yes.
[Margaret:] Oh there we go, that was mistake number one... George dear have you read the er holiday page at all?
[Raymond:] No not yet, er only about France, and I told you about
[Margaret:] Oh I'm not sure
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Raymond:] the
[Margaret:] Oh dear
[Raymond:] places you can go to
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] which is a fallacy
[Margaret:] I thought it was Barry there, he looked a bit like him.
[Raymond:] No he's trying to get up, get down naughty boy.
[Margaret:] E T get down, down.
[Raymond:] Down there, there's a good boy
[Margaret:] If you tell him sternly, he does understand the tone of your voice... if he goes off and sulks for a while, well so be it... you'll have to sulk till you get used to it, there you are. ... in the U K... mm, yeah, all looks very nice, camping
[Raymond:] Joking aren't you camping?
[Margaret:] Well that's just what it looks like here... you just eating al fresco and going back up to the chateau at a night
[Raymond:] Oh we're back in France again are we?
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] Yes
[Margaret:] well
[Raymond:] Oh I see, yeah, yes it's
[Margaret:] Mm...
[Raymond:] It's not a cheap holiday by the time we get, get down there your petrol
[Margaret:] Well for us I mean it's
[Raymond:] and then the ferry across
[Margaret:] it's not so bad for somebody living on the south coast
[Raymond:] Yes
[Margaret:] but er, as you say erm, really it's such a long journey that you need a breather before you need to start to cross the channel
[Raymond:] Oh yes I think so... a good thing you're inviting Ken didn't I to come with us?
[Margaret:] Yes I did mentioned it erm
[Raymond:] Did you to Ken?
[Margaret:] Well you were there weren't you too? I just mentioned it in passing and let the conversation carried on about something else so I, I don't know whether
[Raymond:] We didn't come into it
[Margaret:] Well, I mean we just said well that's, you know, an expensive place for a holiday by the sound of it, but erm we hadn't got into any details.
[Raymond:] Well this was erm Bulgaria
[Margaret:] Yes, yes
[Raymond:] Mm
[Margaret:] but er so I, I don't know if he'd be interested in. I certainly wouldn't coach it... so... I think you would be creased by the time you got there in two days.
[Raymond:] Yeah but of course if you were being serious you'd have to ask him directly wouldn't you?
[Margaret:] Oh yes, yeah, well I, I, I think we'd have to... to begin with to er get something a bit more concrete, you know, about time, time
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Margaret:] cost and what not, and then you know when we've decided I mean... I'm not particularly bothered whether comes along or not, but I just thought it might be nice to to give him a break away from home and he won't go on his
[Raymond:] Well I mean you're only doing it for him really aren't you, that's the idea was to help him
[Margaret:] Well this is it, he won't go on his own will he?...
[Raymond:] But the only other thing perhaps he'll go with one of the kids, that's a possibility
[Margaret:] Yeah possibly but I don't think they, do, they don't, I mean they, they lived in Germany for a while haven't they, so, I don't think, oh no, didn't they go to Cyprus one year Pete and Colin or am I dreaming?
[Raymond:] Italy
[Margaret:] Did they?
[Raymond:] Yes Florentine or near Venice
[Margaret:] That was when he was posted in Germany wasn't it they went from there
[Raymond:] Yes
[Margaret:] that's right, yeah, but whether they I suppose to be in a position to
[Raymond:] What they got
[Margaret:] afford a holiday now, I mean now they've taken on a mortgage
[Raymond:] Yes that's a point
[Margaret:] so, you know
[Raymond:] that's a point, yeah
[Margaret:] so unless erm
[Raymond:] even if we
[Margaret:] tell us we
[Raymond:] went away for the weekend we could ask him along couldn't we?
[Margaret:] Well that's true, yes, yes, I mean that's the lakes, it's lovely up there isn't it? And it's only an hour or so away, so... perhaps you should say that get a weekend in...
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Raymond:] I wonder where there is a cheap place to
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] where you can old furniture.
[Margaret:] Somewhere where you, where you can go, where you can offer to do the washing up for that afternoon if you get bored
[Raymond:] No I don't mean that I mean, I, we can find old shops that, are not fully conversant with the modern day prices of furniture
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Oh no
[Raymond:] all furniture
[Margaret:] you've got no chance
[Raymond:] mm.
[Margaret:] No I mean, what is he, different in there, operating in, especially in the what were the eastern country, erm standard of living is
[Raymond:] Oh there yes, no I meant in this country
[Margaret:] Not on par with ours is it?
[Raymond:] I don't think, I don't think there's anywhere left now, there might be somewhere but it'll be hard to find.
[Margaret:] Have you noticed all these holidays in Italy all Tuscany, you never see any
[Raymond:] A lot, yeah
[Margaret:] from southern Italy at all do you?
[Raymond:] Oh you see a lot of them from erm
[Margaret:] Oh I mean I know you can get the brochures, but in the papers there's
[Raymond:] paediatric coast don't you?
[Margaret:] farmhouse in Tuscany, rows and rows of them.
[Raymond:] You see them for Rome don't you?
[Margaret:] Not very often, not in here
[Raymond:] Is it tours?
[Margaret:] Not very often, not really
[Raymond:] Oh I mean the, the favoured place for the holiday makers is on er on the coast that was er Gisebelle and erm
[Margaret:] mm, what's the other one?
[Raymond:] Catonica
[Margaret:] Is it Rimini?
[Raymond:] Rimini, Catonica all on the coast, which is er the Black Polish isn't it?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] yeah
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Margaret:] mm... there's a photograph that was in erm Karen's Radio Times, those two girls erm going on a diet.
[Raymond:] Oh yes the
[Margaret:] Erm
[Raymond:] the very big lady...
[Margaret:] er, yes, yes, forty minutes on er B B C, have her stomach stapled
[Raymond:] Gosh
[Margaret:] Sounds drastic doesn't it?
[Raymond:] does it literally staple the stomach on the outside or does it
[Margaret:] Well it, according to what I read before, they say they staple the stomach down to the size of er, of a tea spoon, so presumably she, her stomach must only receive, she must of been eating twenty four hours a day, you know, to keep they, she didn't lose any weight, the other girl did, but er
[Raymond:] But I still like
[Margaret:] either that or, or the capacity re for your stomach expanding is, is er incredible because er, she still, you know she still doesn't lose weight...
[Raymond:] I still like to know how they staple it.
[Margaret:] Yeah [LAUGHTER] yes, I don't think you er you can measure I don't know, I mean if they staple it they close it off, er
[Raymond:] It must be an operation or
[Margaret:] Oh eh, just to staple have a another operation lost twelve stone, god it's like having, losing another person isn't it?
[Raymond:] Oh I see so it is a case of open you up and putting, inserting these staples... must be
[Margaret:] Mm she was, what, what are you doing? Stop it
[Raymond:] sounds a bit drastic
[Margaret:] Said she, she's going in for her fourth operation... presumably to have this stapling done again, she says I believe that she'd be far more counsellor, I, I would of thought she, she would of had counselling anyway before they go to... stage of operating, surely, I mean, er don't they look in into sort of psychological aspects of it, it's usually a
[Raymond:] On the concept yep
[Margaret:] more than just physical reason I, I mean a lot of people are grossly overweight they, you know, people usually say oh it's the but now apparently in most cases it's very rare with that so it's gotta be too much eating and why do people over eat
[Raymond:] That's right it's usually too much eating or lack of exercise
[Margaret:] you know, I mean, there must be compensation for something mustn't there?...
[Raymond:] Yes it's er...
[Margaret:] I must record that Wildlife on One on er, tomorrow night, so I'm in Wales...
[Raymond:] Oh yes...
[Margaret:] Have you read any of your letters about the poems in last week's Observer?
[Raymond:] No
[Margaret:] They're not very flattering... they didn't er, you weren't rated very highly I'm afraid... I think er... you tried to get away from the traditional type of
[Raymond:] Oh I see these one that they send in
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] Yes I er
[Margaret:] by the thousands
[Raymond:] I don't go a lot on them myself
[Margaret:] Oh poetry... [sigh] some of those poems that Bon had in her Touchstones book, especially the ones, the war, about the war, I read some of those and it made me cry, it was so sad.
[Raymond:] Oh the, the er the ones by erm what's name about the gas and that
[Margaret:] Oh to be honest I can't remember the
[Raymond:] Mm, very poignant
[Margaret:] Mm, but er
[Raymond:] anti war
[Margaret:] what was the one about the erm... oh... it was about the assembling of the gun
[Raymond:] Oh yes, oh
[Margaret:] do you remember that? And it's all about the parts naming oh naming the parts
[Raymond:] That's right yes
[Margaret:] and er
[Raymond:] Oh yes that one's come back to me that one now
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] horrible. There's a chap going on about the, the fake and the furniture of these two chairs
[Margaret:] Mm...
[Raymond:] which are supposed to be erm...
[Margaret:] Come here
[Raymond:] seventeenth century
[Margaret:] come here scallywag
[Raymond:] They said to this, the er, the shape of the stretchers going from side to side where you, where you can put your feet usually
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] you've got all this wear on them you see and the bow of these stretchers said that no one would a able to get their feet on
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] and the guy that's faked it has done all this as he thought, authenticate it
[Margaret:] What, what they call it, stressing it don't they?
[Raymond:] Stressing it, yeah stressing it
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] and er it would of been impossible to rest your feet on the rail them performing the most uncomfortable
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] contortionist, it says here
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] oh
[Raymond:] Mm
[Margaret:] but did it look authentic with the thing, I mean not to the extent of
[Raymond:] Well I mean to the untrained eye with a, this guy was suspicious when he saw all this cracked varnish
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] which it turned out to be wax
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] to simulate old varnish you see?
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] So then he started looking
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] They've got a way of measuring wear on er stretchers
[Margaret:] Yeah... I mean it's, it's so clever really isn't it how, how they do sort of er fake furniture like that. I mean to my mind you might just as well spend your money on, what are you doing idiot, on a well made piece of furniture today like some of those we've seen in, in beautifully made erm, I mean they're brand new but they will be antiques I suppose in the future... you know for your, for your grandchildren sort of thing, but er I mean you can't possibly think what's things that are in there, it's astronomical.
[Raymond:] Mm, quite expensive as you say...
[Margaret:] Mm, you silly dog, what are you doing, what are you doing, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear, right, right, then, yeah, yeah, yeah, get him, right [LAUGHTER] oh he said that heaven
[Raymond:] Mm
[Margaret:] yeah, you do [LAUGHTER] huh, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, [LAUGHTER]... Where's Muffin, behind the settee?
[Raymond:] Yes... mm...
[Margaret:] Did you read this erm review about Ruby Wax?
[Raymond:] No I haven't read that yet
[Margaret:] She's is a, quite a character actually, mind you she does er, it looks like one of those programmes you know er, when you don't want to be sitting in the front row, if she's going to
[Raymond:] Mm pick on you
[Margaret:] single, single you out for attention... she say erm, [reading] Miss Wax who likes to think of herself now principally as a writer, [sigh]... [LAUGHTER]... [LAUGHTER] the comic talents of this calendar who needs laxative.
[Raymond:] Come on E T, come on babe, come on, do you want to go out? Go out? Wait a sec, let me get my... yeah wait a sec, let me get my coat... ah, down... stay down, good boy... come on, OK, OK, you're going now, yes.... Taking for walkies Margaret.
[Margaret:] Mm, mm, yes
[Raymond:] Are you coming?...
[Margaret:] Well if I take him you can do the veg if you like... get down
[Raymond:] I see, I'd just thought you'd might like to go.
[Margaret:] Well I will but I doubt this, oh god I've got heap of things to do...
[Raymond:] Right lassie You wanna go to the shops now or what?
[Margaret:] You're going are you?
[Raymond:] Yes...
[Margaret:] What's that?
[Raymond:] Do you need to come or
[Margaret:] Well, I think all I need is bread really isn't it? So I
[Raymond:] Mm
[Margaret:] I'll keep an eye, spend your money.
[Raymond:] E T won't hurt you. Hello there, this guy is that nervous honestly, he loves other dogs, but er, they seem to frightened him, you know, he's a, till he gE Ts to know them then his OK, you know?
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] E T, come on, he's only young your chap isn't he?
[speaker004:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Yeah
[speaker004:] I've got two of them, the other one's er cut himself on a bottle this morning, he's been in the vE T all day, he's just had
[Raymond:] Oh no
[speaker004:] his leg stitched up.
[Raymond:] Fixed him up alright?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Mm, how'd he manage that?
[speaker004:] I don't know he just somebody must of
[Raymond:] They just
[speaker004:] left a broken bottle clean cut right down the bone
[Raymond:] Oh god
[speaker004:] so, he's out of commission for a couple of weeks.
[Raymond:] Yes, it's er infection really isn't it?
[speaker004:] Yes
[Raymond:] And if he's anything like this guy he's all go [LAUGHTER]
[speaker004:] Oh yes he's just like him
[Raymond:] E T will you give over, come on
[speaker004:] You don't lE T them do you? It's a bit
[Raymond:] He was ill treated you know, and he was
[speaker004:] Yeah
[Raymond:] we got him from the rescue, animal rescue you know
[speaker004:] Oh yeah
[Raymond:] so he's a pa, he's a bag of nerves really, but er, most of the time he's great, but, [LAUGHTER] I think your, your one's a bit too boisterous for him []
[speaker004:] Well enough.
[Raymond:] Take care anyway, [whistling] come on E T [whistling] That's right, yeah, yeah. Oh he said er
[speaker004:] Oh that's not so bad you see I've been on holiday all last week
[Raymond:] Oh, where you been?
[speaker004:] I haven't been away, but I've been off work like
[Raymond:] Oh just, oh I see
[speaker004:] so er
[Raymond:] holiday at home?
[speaker004:] Yeah called me in two days so they gave me today and tomorrow off as well, so it's sort of gone longer than I expected you know?
[Raymond:] Mm, mm
[speaker004:] I'm off tomorrow as well.
[Raymond:] Well it's always nice to be at home isn't it? Please yourself
[speaker004:] Get down, get down oh yeah, yeah. I got through quite a few bits and pieces that was
[Margaret:] Have you? All the jobs you've been meaning to do
[speaker004:] Yeah, yeah
[Margaret:] Yes I know
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Hello there
[Norman:] Good afternoon
[Raymond:] how's the family?
[Margaret:] Abnormal
[Raymond:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]... At one time we couldn't get Jessy to talk, he'd got a little girl with er and
[Margaret:] I noticed the little girl with her, yes.
[Raymond:] She waved as she came towards me and she said oh can't stop today
[Margaret:] Huh
[Raymond:] said I've got to get this one back for her mum or whatever... said I'm in a hurry... then I met some guy on the field, talking to him and er
[Margaret:] Who you don't know from Adam
[Raymond:] A spaniel [sniff] which was off the lead, covered in mud a young one and of course these, this fellow went straight up to it E T
[Margaret:] Off the lead like?
[Raymond:] Off the lead and it was er, so boisterous up and down like this, well he didn't like it straight away he got the old aggro blade up his back about two inches wide then he was watching him like this then he ran
[Margaret:] Away from it or
[Raymond:] ran away from it you see and then when he came back he came to us and he growled a few times at it, so, but erm, backed off you know
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] I said he... he doesn't mean any harm I said but he's a bit nervous, hoping to god he didn't bite the, bite the other one
[Margaret:] Spaniel, yeah.
[Raymond:] he said in all that, we got two he said the other one cut itself badly this morning [sniff] on er a piece of glass obvious he said managed to come back to me you know being on a lead all his leg was cut so he sort of been down to the vet and had two stitches
[Margaret:] Stitches
[Raymond:] so he said I've had to, they'd have to keep him in for ten days or more you know
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] stop him getting dirt
[Margaret:] keep going
[Raymond:] in it or whatever
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Yeah, erm, it's worth waiting to I saw Mr Bentley
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] and er he hasn't got any stuff there of course
[Margaret:] No.
[Raymond:] but er, he said oh try the guy
[Margaret:] Try?
[Raymond:] the chap in Mold, whatever his name is
[Margaret:] Robert.
[Raymond:] I he said, he's an old type chemist he said just mention my name he said he perhaps fix you up with small quantities or try this other place in Wrexham he said they, chemist he said but they do wholesale work as well
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] so, and then he was going on about the work he's doing on the
[Margaret:] Yes I thought he probably would. You were nearly at the end of the tape as well weren't you? I thought afterwards I bet that tape would run out when you're talking to and won't be able to turn it over.
[Raymond:] Mm, I don't think so... but er he's had an awful struggle with that because he said Buckley's one of the worse places and no interest at all
[Margaret:] Nobody's interested no, it's a shame
[Raymond:] said er, they said Wrexham they've got two or three you know mu museums for, and that different halls he said er
[Margaret:] Well, there was talk about er getting the old hall down in the old street community centre, not the, the
[Raymond:] Yes
[Margaret:] What is it? What do they call it that hall?
[Raymond:] Hawkesbury hall
[Margaret:] Hawkesbury hall, yes
[Raymond:] by the school, yeah
[Margaret:] but I mean it's, it's still a sound building, I mean it could be
[Raymond:] Well it's been no, no, it's, it's condemned at the moment it's not safe.
[Margaret:] Is it?
[Raymond:] Oh yeah, you're not allowed to go in it
[Margaret:] Oh oh they've just locked
[Raymond:] but er
[Margaret:] locked it up because er
[Raymond:] he said they've er
[Margaret:] So did she say she could get some? Or
[Raymond:] Said she'll ask, said she knows she's got giving an errand to take out to the place you know because er if
[Margaret:] Well it's dangerous stuff to handle I suppose
[Raymond:] Mm
[Margaret:] but as you say wanted a tiny amount anyway so
[Raymond:] it's a joke isn't it? you know
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] several of us at college...
[Margaret:] oh well she'll know by tomorrow night, you could her a call
[Raymond:] you would think tell me that much
[Margaret:] Which pub? at the college? well yes it's only a small amount for you, but er how many students are there?
[Raymond:] Well that's the thing yeah
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] You multiple that by
[Raymond:] getting in a little bit
[Margaret:] however many there are
[Raymond:] There's about six I think
[Margaret:] Mm, even so I mean he, he's still got to buy it ain't he?
[Raymond:] Even so, yeah
[Margaret:] So er
[Raymond:] Oh they've probably got this much you know
[Margaret:] mm, I mean has he recommended that you use that
[Raymond:] he, he got
[Margaret:] or are you
[Raymond:] Oh I
[Margaret:] just taken it in out of the book?
[Raymond:] No that's what you've gotta, you, he showed us
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] said the stuff you're using is
[Margaret:] Rubbish
[Raymond:] old fashioned he says, it's got linseed oil in it he said, how'd you get it off?
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] You know
[Margaret:] that was the trouble you had with that table top, do you remember doing that polishing? And that, and this, you kept getting this er
[Raymond:] Oh no you, you can use this, but you
[Margaret:] oil through
[Raymond:] don't use that for polish you use a special oil, but he says don't even use that.
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] His brief seems to be, put as little french polish on as you can
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] put, and then wax you see, now this is what we haven't seen yet
[Margaret:] So just use wax to build up the polish
[Raymond:] waxing to, well not necessary to build it up, cos you, you've got this sealer on first you see
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] but you can that's what he does, but, if he want, I don't know, he have to
[Margaret:] Yeah sort of thing, so I have heard you say only three is that the number of posts they put in?
[Raymond:] That's already done innit?
[Margaret:] Well, cos with him being on night, I don't suppose he got up till about
[Raymond:] He started just after me, yeah
[Margaret:] one o'clock, yeah, there, and there were huge holes in the I mean you, you ask him if he'd erm arranged for a cement mixer and he said oh no he didn't want to bother, but I thought afterwards... that'll be each one of those holes, he
[Raymond:] He says oh a ton what are we going to do with the
[Margaret:] yes
[Raymond:] or
[Margaret:] well that's right, in fact he might even need more sand
[Raymond:] he will
[Margaret:] but I bet one of those holes will take a whole wheelbarrow full of that
[Raymond:] Oh easily
[Margaret:] concrete and that's got to be one mix each time isn't it?
[Raymond:] Because what I used to do is throw the bricks in and concrete and water
[Margaret:] And water
[Raymond:] erm, no I mean apart from the concrete it helps to fill the hole
[Margaret:] Yes
[Raymond:] so if you just put the
[Margaret:] well
[Raymond:] the sand and gravel and the concrete as you say a barrow load goes nowhere
[Margaret:] Yeah I mean, huh, they never get blown over, but er, it's a lot of work isn't it?
[Raymond:] Where's little tiddly gone? Where is he by the way? [whistling]
[Margaret:] Erm I said to you he's on the settee
[Raymond:] Hello, hello, hello
[Margaret:] if he's on there just shout at him will you because
[Raymond:] oh he's in here he's by the radiator aren't you beaut? He's a beauty babe, oh, rascal aren't you? Would give you that continuous conversation, erm where is, is life is... it's surprising how much time you do have to put into it. I mean it surprised me I thought oh yes one and a half tapes a day, yeah, it's, it's a doddle, but erm, not, not only have you got to know how it functions, but you've got to know, know you've got to fill in your, your document
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] to I mean ideally, ideally it'll be better to fill it in as you go along
[Margaret:] Personally I would of Well of course that's what vitamin C is isn't it?
[Raymond:] Well acetic acid is you know the chemical you know, it's got to be three third, er thirty three percent you see
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] which the vinegar's only about two percent probably that
[Margaret:] oh my god, well that's the stripper then really isn't it?
[Raymond:] You're only, you only
[Margaret:] Well you only put
[Raymond:] putting that much in
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] in this, in like a pint
[Margaret:] Mm, so you only want a small amount then really don't you?
[Raymond:] That's the trouble, I don't need a ruddy gallon
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] and the other of course is the eight eighty ammonia which is only half of five mil, two and a half mil teaspoon.
[Margaret:] Which chemist did you go to?
[Raymond:] Bob's
[Margaret:] Oh, and neither of them, no E T will you stop it you two, you see
[Raymond:] Aye
[Margaret:] get in your basket this minute
[Raymond:] I thought, I thought the other one had got it
[Margaret:] go on, go on.
[Raymond:] When you think of it, these chemists to date, no wonder their wives are on a low wage and the moaning all the time because they're not bloody chemists, they're just getting pills out of a box
[Margaret:] Yeah, that's right, yes, yeah
[Raymond:] you don't see erm doing this but, well after that, I mean
[Margaret:] and er, well years ago they had all these bottle of potions on the back shelf I suppose
[Raymond:] they were mixing up all the time, it's all antibiotics now and isn't it tablets or
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] bottles of
[Margaret:] already, ready mix
[Raymond:] There's a jar already done, you just pour it in
[Margaret:] Yeah, I suppose and mostly to erm, medicines are, are in tablet form aren't they? You know you don't get that many liquids it's usually for children isn't it?
[Raymond:] Ninety percent probably
[Margaret:] The erm you get
[Raymond:] The only liquid you get are probably cough medicines and stuff like that and
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] which are all, er what they called?
[Margaret:] I bet they don't dispense much of that now because most people buy it over the counter don't they?
[Raymond:] Oh their own, yes
[Margaret:] I mean you're not going to spend three pound forty on a prescription if you can get a bottle for about one pound fifty... so
[Raymond:] where you do it
[Margaret:] so well where you gonna go for that? Where else can you try?
[Raymond:] Er well I was gonna ask for when he comes, gonna ask or ask
[Margaret:] At the college do you mean?
[Raymond:] They seem to know about it, the ones who live in that area... and the chemist
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] he's an old fashioned type
[Margaret:] Well why don't you try Mr Bentley I mean
[Raymond:] He's bloody finished now
[Margaret:] Well the shop's closed, but erm, he might be able to tell you somewhere nearer than to get it, I mean he's very obliging. He lives over the shop still doesn't he? Or at the back of the shop. He's a proper character isn't he?
[Raymond:] Mm
[Margaret:] But erm he might be able to er oblige you, he was certainly one of the last of the old breed of chemists I think a tissue in machine, bits dropping in and out
[Raymond:] Look in the pockets you great pi, oh
[Margaret:] I think there's probably one inside a pillow case knowing you
[Raymond:] Oh jesus, Maggots... I caught a few there might be a fiver in one of them
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] You've got no chance of that
[Raymond:] Hey did you know this
[Margaret:] Yes... oh god... Muffin you're not going out again you're covered in mud.
[Raymond:] I suppose they get fed up stuck in all the time, don't they?
[Margaret:] Yeah, and they're only out for a few minutes and they're fed up out there as well, and backwards and forwards like a fiddlers elbow... go on... I want to put those lupins in today, somewhere... never mind, no, you're not having any more biscuits you... Right I erm, I see it's ten past eleven, I want to get this ball washed, so, er, let them go in the wash
[Raymond:] Right I'm going to work in the workshop
[Margaret:] I'll tell you what, I get the erm, I get the battery of the, the other one, you can try it. You want to try it don't you if you're going to have it?
[Raymond:] Well this is it, it might be knackered now those two...
[Margaret:] Has he been in the, in the loft in the workshop? Or
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] Well you, it's not corroded or anything is it?
[Raymond:] Let's turn that down
[Margaret:] Can't turn it out.
[Raymond:] Power isn't it?
[Margaret:] Yes, but you won't get the same connections will you?
[Raymond:] I don't know
[Margaret:] Use your
[Raymond:] Fantastic that pause...
[Margaret:] [humming] [singing] I'm looking for something somewhere []... Yes, well it appears to be working, but whether it's working correctly I don't know oh... Ray, there is provision here for the headphones, you, you said are you supposed to use headphones with it, mind you... it sounds pretty audible anyway, I don't think you need headphones, I mean I'm not sure there's a No
[Raymond:] See how she goes.
[Margaret:] Erm
[Raymond:] Thing is I've got to try by turning those volts down on some of them
[Margaret:] Yeah it's just that find out if there's any nails in the, in the wood.
[Raymond:] Possibly have stones
[Margaret:] You're not likely to get stones em embedded in the
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[Margaret:] Oh... I mean whether, whether that one is, is good enough for
[Raymond:] enough
[Margaret:] Mm, and it
[Raymond:] the nails in the wood that's all
[Margaret:] Oh yes it's, it's, how long ago was it when Robin bought that? Eleven or twelve wasn't he? Near that...
[Raymond:] Say this er I think
[Margaret:] mm
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[Margaret:] Have you actually got a plan drawn up with measurements, devised to the top and the base as well or are you going to do that when you
[Raymond:] I got the height of the base, you've seen that
[Margaret:] yes, yes
[Raymond:] Use that for the base obviously
[Margaret:] Muffin be quiet, what the devil's wrong with him?
[Raymond:] it's that much bigger so, you know just see how the top one goes and then I can copy that to the bottom
[Margaret:] Yeah, well you're going to do the base of it bigger aren't you?
[Raymond:] Yes
[Margaret:] Erm
[Raymond:] er the only, I'm not quite sure yet how the sides are going to
[Margaret:] and the door, the glass door he wanted it erm like the lead glass, oh similar to these
[Raymond:] Yes I know he wants it erm
[Margaret:] you know
[Raymond:] glazing bars
[Margaret:] Mm there's no way we could use it either of those, panels that were the glass panels that we've got in the garage, no, separate them, I mean it, they're not, they're not solid glass, they're two panes, which could be separated whether of ingenuity and
[Raymond:] What re-cut you mean?
[Margaret:] Well no not, not, well we could get them, I never thought of that
[Raymond:] Cut them they wouldn't be the exact size
[Margaret:] yes, ah that's a point now, I could take them down to erm, what's his name down the road and ask him, he's very obliging, ask him to cut them
[Raymond:] I don't know it depends er
[Margaret:] I was just thinking rather than having plain which you'd have to pay for anyway a plain piece of glass and, and er putting lead on it yourself... I think that's a brilliant idea that.
[Raymond:] Well the idea is, is it's not so much the lead it suppose to be the bars, I don't know what they look like without old, old er
[Margaret:] it's a diamond, it's a diamond pattern isn't it for
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Margaret:] as opposed to the, but, but some cupboard doors are diamond pattern, Muffin will you be quiet... have we any more bones cooked for them or have they had them all?
[Raymond:] No there's some there
[Margaret:] Cooked? oh that's what I mean, erm, well listen we'd better try and just, practice somehow and see erm what do you erm...
[Raymond:] Are you gonna left that battery on
[Margaret:] well, well only temporarily, I only want this it's alright it's just this unit thing, when connected to right erm, just erm
[Raymond:] It just drops in there doesn't it, hanging
[Margaret:] oh I would of thought there was a rest for it surely, no?
[Raymond:] Do you think so?
[Margaret:] Just down the bottom
[Raymond:] Just down the bottom...
[Margaret:] Right... what you're going to have to do is erm
[Raymond:] Get a piece of wood with a nail in it
[Margaret:] Yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] I tell you what get a hold of that and put something underneath it.
[Margaret:] I don't know, it don't seem to react to that, that's a bit, mind you there again there's only going to be that there isn't it? Er, well, put it on the floor
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[Margaret:] [dog barking] Go in your basket go on
[Norman:] Yes, I cannot give it much more re-allocated, I might be able to get the two sides on, but I'll need more, obvious have some more wide bolts for the er top and the bottom
[Margaret:] So er, what you actually got to have it cut now, what have you?
[Norman:] Those four
[Margaret:] Mm
[Norman:] to that section of the
[Margaret:] oh these are about two inch are they or some, didn't say it wouldn't split in half went for it and Twelve inches across are they? That way They seemed quite wide to me when they were leaning against the wall. Wouldn't Sue do them?
[Norman:] She hasn't got a
[Margaret:] hasn't she? I bet she had, I bet she had er no I know she's got a
[Norman:] You really want one with a three
[Margaret:] I thought she had a band saw no I was gonna say you wobbling all over the place aren't you? And what about Duckman Peters wouldn't they do it for you?
[Norman:] Er, mm, the other time I took stuff down there
[Margaret:] huge, to that their costs mm
[Norman:] I'll have to pay
[Margaret:] mm you've got to pay for the teeth and the saw
[Norman:] thirty pound a tooth
[Margaret:] Yeah, god worse than erm mm, how many have you got to now cut? and you mean to tell me with all that equipment the machine that they've got at the college, you couldn't get it done there?
[Norman:] I haven't got anything that deep, the only goes to about five inches
[Margaret:] What can you do, can you do half at a time, can you
[Norman:] No
[Margaret:] Why?
[Norman:] at one time you could of done, but now, you've got to take the guards off
[Margaret:] To reverse them
[Norman:] and turn it over
[Margaret:] Well I don't see how, all you've got to do is turn it upside down, you could still run it through the same way
[Norman:] To make your first cut
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Norman:] you have to take the guard off and the knife at the back of the saw, they, it is a bit dangerous, erm... where's the guard goes at the top
[Margaret:] Mm
[Norman:] just wouldn't go in would it, unless it's being stood right down
[Margaret:] Mm
[Norman:] cut turn half way, the first cut, then turn it over with, you've got to have all the, just got a bit of the bare blade on the bench you see
[Margaret:] Yeah without a guard on it
[Norman:] without a guard and they won't
[Margaret:] mm, mm
[Norman:] allow that on this stand
[Margaret:] No I can understand that I suppose
[Norman:] but there again it's only hand feed, you've, you got to have a, a machine that can feed on to take this tubing
[Margaret:] Something to grip it, mm
[Norman:] We would have to like pull the wood through you see
[Margaret:] what about that erm, what about that other place that er timber place on the way to Kilkern erm we went there, you, oh you went in to ask about some walnut, do you remember when er
[Norman:] Well er that's the same, that would be worth thinking this you know
[Margaret:] don't think you'd be very happy you know
[Norman:] I mean you wouldn't wanna pay... no be only worth a fiver to cut it, to them it's not worth
[Margaret:] Damaging them, saw, mm
[Norman:] Well at least we've had a look at the whether we
[Margaret:] right OK, so we've eliminated all that have we?
[Norman:] Well I mean
[Margaret:] What are you gonna do?
[Norman:] I don't know
[Margaret:] It's impossible to do by hand...
[Norman:] No not impossible
[Margaret:] with a good saw
[Norman:] Yeah
[Margaret:] and about ten irish navvies
[Norman:] One down below and one above huh
[Margaret:] mm...
[Raymond:] Try to get some er old door casings rip down from me you know, now, I was thinking of going to North Wales but I know what they'd say cos it, the ones that I got from our Rob's you know the... they're quite clean but of course they've had nails in the, you know, the head like... I made the cab some cabinets you know.
[Norman:] I want them split down that road
[Raymond:] Which way?
[Norman:] On the deep
[Raymond:] Oh on the deep
[Norman:] two or three gorges
[Raymond:] Oh you want to fetch it down to a board technic
[Norman:] That's so I can get two out of the one you know for the sides, erm, sides and
[Raymond:] Oh you want them to deep, deep, deep
[Norman:] I don't think I'm gonna get that much joy myself, cos their reluctant aren't they to do anything that's not new. I thought there might be somewhere where they'd have an old circular saw you know, probably got a bit more chance with help, but they do a bit of rough cutting do you know what I mean?
[Raymond:] Yeah, but you won't get two out of it will you? But
[Norman:] Well they're only for sides, you know, I'm, I'm doing them like er
[Raymond:] I
[Norman:] the sides are coming out er like this you see those, those are already you know like that their fortunate with those
[Raymond:] I, I like them
[Norman:] but, but I haven't got enough you see
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Norman:] but er
[Raymond:] you won't get two that size will you?
[Norman:] You reckon not, not with the cut, it's, well not that I know it's, it's got two it is a good er about one and five eighths
[Raymond:] Oh I say, yeah, you, well, you'll get one, you'll get a second one there, full one there
[Norman:] Get a full one, get it doesn't matter really and I get one that width out of
[Raymond:] Yeah, yeah
[Norman:] here you see and it'll all be joined up.
[Raymond:] It's, it's a band saw really that you want to put down
[Norman:] Mm, they're not really safe
[Raymond:] Yeah, a band saw are you now are you?
[Norman:] I got the old metal detected on, but, of course it could always be a bit of grit in it couldn't it
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Norman:] or something like that. I know they don't like it
[Raymond:] No, er, no especially with a band saw, cos
[Margaret:] Oh hello
[Norman:] Hello Margaret, well
[Raymond:] twenty years ago and, and, and they really had to and the whole band saw gotta to be resharpened he said and they go to a place in
[Norman:] Most of them don't do their own now do they?
[Raymond:] No
[Norman:] We used to have a shop you know, a saw doctor shop
[Raymond:] I
[Norman:] when I had the time, did them all tension and set, you know, but erm, as you say now, they probably cost you about fifty pound a go every time they go away
[Raymond:] Yeah it's a I don't fancy doing by hand
[Norman:] Well, even that little one of mine
[Raymond:] No I mean even with a hand saw, you know, I've done it before You had to wait, wait about twenty eight before you went on top I believe I don't know Yes, yes, oh yes
[Norman:] and er all his brothers ev, every one of them went, they served their time and and er, it was er, the others were by having the lads and getting the trees down, er the extra wood that they got out of the er, out of the tree they lost so many with, with the thickness of the blade
[Raymond:] Oh I see, yes, yes, yeah, yeah that's right, yeah I think bloody hell, that must of been hard work that, they must of been at it all day
[Norman:] Yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] How did they keep, how did they stop the flaming thing from snaking them all, you know?
[Norman:] I don't know
[Raymond:] It must of had a good iron in it. Must of had terrific arms on them, oh dear me
[Norman:] Yeah and I used to see them many a times in
[Raymond:] and what they'd leave them to what, then to, to dry wouldn't they at least?
[Norman:] Oh I, yeah
[Raymond:] They'd take a long time to dry wouldn't they, then, on the sticks and that stacks of it
[Norman:] and my father was in the woods before the war and they, he, he looked after the woods and cut the trees down and everything and then they were sent to
[Raymond:] Oh no, slowly, dried slowly you see
[Norman:] Slowly to dry it was always as, as he went up to about a
[Raymond:] for pupation, yeah I'd like to seen how they did the, the ribbon book out of the heart
[Norman:] Oh yes
[Raymond:] used to do a lot of drawer bottoms out of it
[Norman:] yes
[Raymond:] must of had a knife or something to it, sliced wasn't it?... Mind you I'm going, I've got a pub
[Norman:] Nice to see there, there was a certain way of cutting the tree
[Raymond:] this is going back
[Norman:] to get the figure into it
[Raymond:] I, a cut on the diagonal
[Norman:] Yes
[Raymond:] you see, a diagonal, the raise so you've got a lovely figure in the, on the oak,
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] but expensive that was
[Norman:] yeah that's right
[Raymond:] cutting waste with it, as I say the ribbon stuff it must it, the georgian furniture you usually see that in
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] this wide drawer bottoms you know, beautiful oak that's been sliced
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] because that, presumably the heart was easier to cut, I don't know, very hard
[Norman:] I wouldn't of thought so, it was
[Raymond:] I wouldn't of thought so
[Norman:] the
[Raymond:] I'll have to find out of this
[Norman:] where, where I found more so were
[Raymond:] that's the oldest part isn't it?
[Norman:] That's the oldest part
[Raymond:] That's right on the knife
[Norman:] and the er
[Raymond:] whether the grain was straighter, maybe that was the answer
[Norman:] and the awkward thing was to hack a wood in the centre
[Raymond:] Yeah that's right, yeah, yeah
[Norman:] An American oak is not too bad
[Raymond:] But the English you can end up doing a lot of scrapping for your finish Mm
[Norman:] and it's just only because of the climate, there's er
[Raymond:] Cold weather, the, oh, is that what it was? That's right, yeah, he's, he's Mm, mm, funny there was a lad here this chap was here last week he bought this pine table up, got his key, and he'd been working for three years in Norway
[Norman:] Oh yeah
[Raymond:] as a joiner
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] and he was saying, told me some of the different names, you know, other than pine, I suppose their name for whatever these pines were, the timber there was beautiful
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] the er
[Norman:] all the
[Raymond:] knots, very few knots, just lovely yellow pine and er and they make all their furniture out of these pieces, so, he said that's what set me off on making furniture he said say that the cost of living there tremendous, tremendous ten years ago now they took out these tremendous mortgages because their wages had trebled, it, it about a ten year period, you know when the boom was on
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] a few years ago, and he said er there was a lot of repossessions there.
[Norman:] It's happening everywhere you see.
[Raymond:] You could buy a house very cheaply then, but er we, we didn't know what was going to happen that's not all you can do now is blame the Labour Party, it's incredible now. One of them said er when they start bringing the yes, yes that's right, lower lowering the taxes Everybody come here, this is the place to run a big business
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] cheap labour
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] you can fiddle all you want, get away with it, er
[Norman:] I
[Raymond:] Well Nor you can't help me on this me old son
[Norman:] Er
[Raymond:] it's a shame really, no he bought about erm
[Norman:] I'm not even gonna volunteer to do
[Raymond:] about erm ten of these and then the head So apart from those three we said what else is there Ma
[Molly:] No, well he's got a catalogue and we can send
[Margaret:] No, that, that catalogue he had I rang them and he sent me one
[Raymond:] Beeswax was it? Pure beeswax, what else? I bet that was a
[Molly:] It was pure restoration materials
[Margaret:] Yes
[Raymond:] I've forgotten now
[Margaret:] I'm sure that's where he said he got it from the wax
[Molly:] He said he got his waxes fifteen years ago and he's still using them
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] I think he gets all his stuff from that guy at, he got the brochure didn't he from somewhere up North?
[Margaret:] Yes, well Molly's just said she's rung them
[Molly:] Well yeah, well I've got the brochure
[Raymond:] Oh
[Norman:] I rang them up, it's, it's Bolton, but they don't do wax, they do all the other waxes
[Margaret:] Bury isn't it?
[Raymond:] Well I'd try Time and
[Margaret:] Bury the one?
[Norman:] They caught, I don't, yeah actually
[Margaret:] the address I had
[Norman:] Yes. Oh well I'll, I'll look, I'll ring I didn't actually ring
[Raymond:] I'll find out anyway
[Norman:] them up and ask them
[Raymond:] and actually you know this Time Chemicals, they, they deliver you know, they come here with the stuff.
[Norman:] Do they?
[Raymond:] Just ring them up, oh yeah, they go anywhere.
[Norman:] What is the recipe I
[Margaret:] Bury,, Bury
[Norman:] Mm
[Raymond:] That's a good one isn't it, dear me, that's er
[Norman:] Oh no, but, they, they will post it
[Raymond:] Post it, but then they're gonna charge aren't they?
[Norman:] Oh yeah
[Raymond:] VAT and for a small amount it's not worth it really
[Molly:] One of the dogs gone down there? I am sick and tired of picking up the mud
[Raymond:] Hello Ken
[Molly:] Oh, we're trying to see if any pick up the nails in the wall, you know
[Raymond:] those boards trying to get them split down you see to make some, you know, shelves and that
[Molly:] No, not really
[Ken:] Does it work?
[Molly:] It's got the battery in it
[Raymond:] Well I'm not sure really it didn't seem to go to good on the cast iron nails you know the long ones
[Ken:] Yeah
[Molly:] It's alright on the on the erm
[Raymond:] Well I don't know until the, when it comes to college you've got a hand one
[John:] That's what I was gonna say
[Molly:] Yeah it's a, it must be a sensitive one you see
[Raymond:] but er
[Ken:] Yeah
[Molly:] But erm, not reliable enough on that anyway
[Raymond:] So anyway Norm mentioned about going to this one at erm Old Tammy, that one on the Old Road
[John:] Yeah
[Raymond:] he said try there, they've got some old wood he said, well perhaps they're used to cutting all stuff
[Ken:] Oh oh dear then you will be whether you'll get that rate
[Raymond:] You're not very choosy money for them sort of things
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] that's the way I look at it. There's no other way No, no, no, he does so many days Ken
[Ken:] Is he full time or what?
[Molly:] What? Is who full time? He can't be full time otherwise he wouldn't have enough to do would he?
[Raymond:] I don't know perhaps he does, I don't actually know Ken, I thought the way he was talking though that this chap
[Molly:] No, it's, it's so many days that they work innit?
[Raymond:] had actually taken him on that he used to know years ago and had finished the
[Ken:] Oh he's finished the
[Raymond:] I know it's a couple of years ago before he came here
[Ken:] Oh
[Raymond:] but this chap he's known for years mention the name he gave him a job, er erm, but I mean I, I was given to believe he was full time he never said oh it's so many days cost I think that Let's have a look
[Ken:] Now there's this place up, remember that
[Raymond:] French polish
[Ken:] it's got a big order
[Raymond:] right, erm, where's this beeswax?... They're all in one together
[Ken:] er
[Raymond:] It's the same one, is it, are the, is that an update?
[Ken:] That's the different prices
[Raymond:] Oh these are, I see, yes, yes, yes
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Raymond:] Brunches, no, ah it'd be a
[Ken:] That's three seventy eight for five hundred grammes, and five hundred grammes is just over a pound.
[Raymond:] Five oh, oh that's not bad.
[Ken:] It is low, it's a pound and a tenth
[Raymond:] It can't be right fourteen pound a pound can it? That's wrong
[Ken:] A kilo's five fifty
[Raymond:] Perhaps he meant five hundred pounds you think or whatever
[Ken:] Don't know
[Raymond:] erm
[Ken:] a mahogany cost so much more
[Raymond:] a mahogany, oh gee whiz
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] but she said that they were the same price
[Ken:] Oh no
[Raymond:] but erm,
[Ken:] she's got mixed up
[Raymond:] good grief what is that I wonder?
[Ken:] I don't know, fifty pence
[Raymond:] gee, grief, that's six times as much, you'd have to have something for brown stains wouldn't you, you couldn't just use them er hand like, but, but is brown mind you but erm...
[Ken:] Pittance
[Raymond:] What about the erm,be you know beeswax, beeswax have you got that?
[Ken:] yeah it's in here
[Raymond:] There you are, oh that's a one that's made up
[Ken:] Here we are
[Raymond:] Oh yes
[Ken:] I said the grey colour is alright
[Raymond:] That's the one we want is it?
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] That's half a kilo, six eighty
[Ken:] but we found that the yellow was purified, you know, it's, it's
[Raymond:] What about the oth the erm, what is it the pure
[Ken:] beeswax
[Raymond:] He just says beeswax doesn't he in his
[Ken:] yeah yellow beeswax
[Raymond:] Yellow is it? I see, yes, yes er and, and what about the paraffin?
[Ken:] And the paraffin ones, little colour
[Raymond:] That's cheap
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Oh well... oh well I think that er would be a good proportion to er Morell's, but then we got to, anyway, excuse me I must go somewhere.
[Margaret:] Hello you Lucy-woosy, hello there Lucy-woosy, yeah, ooh, you're a lovely girl you... oop
[Raymond:] Right I want all that lot cut up for
[Margaret:] Right so all you need is a good saw and a ha, ten Irish navvies.
[Raymond:] Ah I done this
[Margaret:] I said
[Raymond:] I said to Norm I cut some walnut not, not that long of course from the deep...
[Ken:] Did he do it? He didn't do it
[Raymond:] No, no
[Margaret:] He, he had a lot of machinery actually years ago he, before he moved here he sold
[Raymond:] Oh Norm yes at his old place, he had er
[Margaret:] He sold er most of it
[Raymond:] three machines a great big saw and
[Margaret:] because he didn't have the room for it here
[Raymond:] and all this but er
[Margaret:] he had a
[Raymond:] business
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[Ken:] Well when he had it
[Raymond:] He's got a lot to do now you see
[Ken:] when you've done it all, I suppose you could get a bit further with his
[Raymond:] yeah but he's got to the stage now as if yeah he's not gonna do a lot, whatever he did before at home I'm not sure but er he's done all his windows and stuff like that but I think then again he can do a lot at work you see.
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Cutting and all this
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] there's the machine, he done it, bring it home and assemble it so, not too much on the heavy side.
[Margaret:] Yeah, but I mean he's done all his windows hasn't he, he's adapted all his windows from that er
[Raymond:] Yeah, oh yeah
[Margaret:] from that frame he's bought, so he's done quite well really
[Raymond:] Yeah... eh we could have a
[Margaret:] ah?
[Raymond:] with you underneath
[Ken:] I'll hold the saw, I wouldn't push it
[Margaret:] oh one of those pits yeah [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] There's no need for the pits, we can have a series of trestle
[Ken:] Yeah
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] out in the fresh air and have to
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] had to blow the dust off you
[Ken:] I
[Raymond:] well, and Margaret could even go [blowing]
[Margaret:] Yes, I'm good at that
[Raymond:] every time I done the down stroke
[Ken:] Yes
[Margaret:] Sounds a bit
[Raymond:] like that idea?
[Ken:] Eh?
[Raymond:] Do you like that?
[Ken:] I like that idea of that, but er get somebody else underneath [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Get another volunteer
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Dogs
[Ken:] get the dogs
[Raymond:] there's a system there with a, a bone, every time you move that you'd move a bone and they'd go down
[Ken:] They'd have to go down to the
[Raymond:] the one on the top
[Ken:] they keep pulling back up, you wouldn't have to strained any energy going back up...
[Margaret:] Have you got your grandchildren Easter eggs yet chaps?
[Ken:] Er, I sent some money down for Bethan and Kaylie
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Ken:] er
[Raymond:] I just wondered if you'd remember, you know
[Ken:] when I sent Bethan her birthday card down there, I sent some money for her
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Ken:] and I sent some money for, but I mentioned it to Peter
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Ken:] before they went back, and er, I can't remember whether I told them to get one or whether they should be up for Easter.
[Margaret:] Well they could, they're moving up here aren't they
[Ken:] Yeah, so
[Margaret:] time, so...
[Ken:] I tell you what I can't do, I can't find, I can't find Charles' birthday on me calendar
[Margaret:] Oh, well I said
[Raymond:] This is the other thing you've got to start remembering innit Marg?
[Margaret:] when we were at Carrie's at the weekend I said you must tell me all the birthdays again, because I can't find them.
[Raymond:] I don't even remember to look at the calendar
[Ken:] Oh well, I, I, I mean I, my mind, my memory is going I know, but I, but I look at that and I turn it over each month and I have a look at I have an idea what's
[Margaret:] What's coming up that month.
[Raymond:] Once you've got to do it, then you do it
[Margaret:] Good idea actually
[Raymond:] but if you leave it to somebody else well you never done.
[Margaret:] Well I'm, I'm the same, I was talking to Rob the other day and er, I forget how I mentioned it, but I said something about, oh I think it's because I was saying why don't you come up like this week because he's off this week, and er, he was making some excuse or other, oh I've got three weeks off in the summer, oh I'd sooner come up when I've got this longest spell off, you know, and I want to get this chimney done and blah, blah
[Ken:] Hope he's not coming for three weeks
[Margaret:] so I said something about last week, you see, and I could of, it was my birthday last week and, but er, and I carried on, he said oh go, oh I'm sorry mum, I'm sorry about that and I said don't matter, doesn't matter [LAUGHTER], well I thought, right I'll let him know [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Fancy telling him that
[Margaret:] Yeah, he's got, he's got all the birthdays on his calendar
[Ken:] He should remember, he should
[Margaret:] I mean, he does sort of ask about the er he's got them all written down
[Raymond:] How many lads at that age remember?
[Ken:] yeah, you
[Raymond:] I never used to, you used to?
[Margaret:] I did, I always remembered my mum's cos it's St Patrick's day
[Raymond:] Mm, you anyway, when your mum was alive
[Ken:] How did?
[Margaret:] Who did?
[Ken:] No, I always remembered me mother's birthday.
[Raymond:] I've forgotten what day it was now, what was my mum's birthday?
[Margaret:] I've no idea
[Ken:] Eleventh of January
[Raymond:] Was it? Oh your mum's
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] I was gonna say, how does he know that?
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] No Ken didn't know your mother's birthday Raymond What are you like?
[Raymond:] You wouldn't of known that
[Ken:] My father did have a bike actually
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] it was before your time I reckon
[Margaret:] Oh dear
[Ken:] Yes it was a bit before my time
[Raymond:] Paul's in December, Fonz is er August
[Margaret:] no
[Raymond:] Rob's is August
[Margaret:] Rob's is August, yeah
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Sixth of August is Robin, it's only a week after yours, it should be easy to remember
[Raymond:] Yeah, oh I don't know
[Ken:] Well you've changed yours so many times
[Margaret:] Well it, I can't, I'm always getting mixed up you know, whether it's the twenty ninth or the thirty
[Ken:] Well he reckons it's the thirty first now
[Raymond:] Oh well he's moved on a day then
[Ken:] I wished you'd make up your mind I've altered it on our calendar that many times
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] What for?
[Ken:] What for, you cheeky swine
[Margaret:] You always get a card
[Ken:] If I didn't remind, remember your birthday nobody will.
[Raymond:] I'd let it go by and
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] No chance of doing that
[Ken:] That was when you couldn't speak, was it?
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Ken:] Ah
[Raymond:] Wouldn't say
[Ken:] no you wouldn't say a word
[Margaret:] All I've got
[Ken:] you'd, you'd, you wouldn't say a word on your birthday you'd let everybody know well in advance
[Margaret:] The week before yeah
[Ken:] and keep mentioning it, so as they couldn't forget.
[Raymond:] Loads of presents
[Ken:] That's one birthday you never forget
[Margaret:] Small but an expensive present please
[Raymond:] Oh big and expensive if you want
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] no as long as it's expensive
[Raymond:] Quantity and quality that's what I
[Margaret:] What do you have Bertie eh?
[Raymond:] Oh it's nice
[Ken:] But you've just said one big one
[Margaret:] Yours a yes, yes, go on
[Raymond:] Yeah you can tell he's not eating now
[Margaret:] Why? Oh shut up.
[Ken:] I've had nothing to eat today
[Raymond:] Why not?
[Ken:] a couple of biscuits, that's all I've had
[Raymond:] er,
[Margaret:] Why, have you had an upset tummy?
[Ken:] No
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] you've forgot
[Ken:] no I just didn't want anything, I don't, I don't bother I, I mean I only used to have one meal a day before.
[Margaret:] You're like a blooming dog, one meal a day.
[Ken:] On me days, on me days off that's all I ever had.
[Raymond:] I like a bit of a snack, we don't have much at lunch time oh a few crackers or something
[Ken:] Eh what can, what, what will Superglue stick er cast iron?
[Raymond:] It all depends Ken it's
[Margaret:] Did you
[Raymond:] I've never found it very successful with big things, very
[Ken:] not big, it's not a big, it's that piece of hand handle of the gutter. I was cleaning it up, I mean it dropped off there and it didn't break...
[Margaret:] So have you still got it have you?
[Ken:] I was cleaning, cleaning it up... and of course I was tapping it with a hammer wasn't I to try and get all the putty you know, try and break the putty and most of it came away and I just tapped this one little
[Margaret:] One last fatal tap
[Ken:] one little piece came...
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] I wonder what erm... stuff for the cars do Ken?
[Ken:] As it happens
[Raymond:] Yes
[Margaret:] What
[Raymond:] Great
[Margaret:] to fill it up to fill
[Raymond:] put a lamp on either side you know and put some in a crack, a lump either side
[Margaret:] You can buy all kinds of filler now it should do anything, indoors or outdoors
[Ken:] I was surprised
[Margaret:] can't you?
[Raymond:] I mean
[Ken:] Oh well this is for different kinds of metal you see
[Raymond:] They do?
[Margaret:] I know down at Evans I've noticed quite a few things in there, there are different
[Raymond:] mm
[Margaret:] you know for, for different jobs
[Raymond:] For who?
[Margaret:] For you, it's easy for you who to say
[Raymond:] Yeah, but er, this is usually you've got to work on top of course you've gotta
[Ken:] Eh, no I mean I've gotta dark that
[Raymond:] Oh you've got it off
[Ken:] Oh it fell off didn't it.
[Raymond:] Oh I see.
[Margaret:] So it's been in the garage for years?
[Ken:] No it's only, it only came off doing that, putting that wire round for the aerial.
[Margaret:] You should ruddy well call them back to get it... they caused the damage or failing that, claim on the insurance... mind you they'd probably say well you must get in touch with the company that did the job.
[Raymond:] Well the trouble is you can probably get
[Margaret:] I mean if somebody
[Raymond:] replace a whole
[Margaret:] puts an aerial on your roof and they knock a hole in your roof then presumably they're liable for the damage
[Raymond:] Oh yes... yes, third party isn't it?
[Margaret:] having said that it's getting them, getting them back isn't it to do it... what was I gonna say before I started saying something did you
[Raymond:] What's that?
[Margaret:] oh did you see that film? That was it, did you see that film Blocking It with erm Dennis Weaver
[Ken:] McCloud
[Margaret:] Weaver
[Ken:] Weaver, he played McCloud
[Margaret:] about the chap that couldn't read
[Ken:] I thought it was Dennis Weaver not Dennis, I thought it, what's his name McCloud.
[Margaret:] No we, he played McCloud
[Ken:] Oh it is the same one yeah
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Ken:] No, I, I, no
[Margaret:] Do you want to borrow, well it's on two tapes, well I've still got it on the tapes if you want it, it's quite a good quite a good film
[Ken:] yeah, you, you, oh you taped it when I was here
[Margaret:] it's quite a good film
[Ken:] Is it?
[Margaret:] Yeah, so I mean you'll have to find a spot on the film where it
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Raymond:] It's a good castrating because it used to be a bit of a
[Margaret:] this is a film
[Ken:] You, have you ever had what's is name back, did I give you what's is name back?
[Margaret:] Yes, yes
[Raymond:] What's that?
[Margaret:] the erm Dances With Wolves
[Ken:] Wolves, we did enjoy it
[Margaret:] erm
[Ken:] Bob thoroughly enjoyed it
[Margaret:] I think that's the first part and I think it's ready to go on there, erm
[Ken:] So that's er the one with the photograph on
[Margaret:] yes
[Ken:] That's right
[Margaret:] and the other, the rest of it is on the end of that, but I've wound it almost back to the beginning, that's Fantasia at the beginning of the tape
[Ken:] Oh I don't want to see that
[Margaret:] which is about two hours long so
[Ken:] I don't want
[Margaret:] so you'll have to fast forward it and suffer the last hour
[Raymond:] Well it was once, once, I couldn't see it again, but the music was beautiful of course, but then
[Margaret:] Fantasia?
[Raymond:] whether you want to listen to
[Ken:] I mean as you say the music, yes, but the, all the props in it, no
[Margaret:] You scalpel
[Raymond:] It was great, but it was I mean, I, I have to watch it because I'd never seen it before
[Margaret:] ain't you? Eh, mm
[Raymond:] and I thought I'd watch it now
[Ken:] I saw it as a kid
[Raymond:] Did you? I, I don't ever remember
[Ken:] cos I couldn't
[Raymond:] Yeah, it might be, yeah, it could of been a bit overpowering I think. Did Kelly's kids watch it?
[Margaret:] Yes they have seen it, yeah, I said to Carrie have you watched it
[Raymond:] What do they say? What did they say?
[Ken:] Did they pay
[Raymond:] Cos I
[Ken:] much attention to it or did they, distract
[Margaret:] er well I didn't go into details
[Raymond:] see it's not their scene
[Margaret:] but er
[Raymond:] I mean they wouldn't want to listen to the music I don't think
[Margaret:] I think er she said some of it was a bit you know slow and dragging for them
[Ken:] Yeah
[Margaret:] I mean er there was some of the music which wasn't our
[Ken:] Oh some of the music is a bit heavy too.
[Margaret:] yeah, and
[Ken:] You know out of your seats especially
[Raymond:] I mean ob, obviously the er, the lights of spring and the er dances of
[Margaret:] very nice
[Ken:] oh there's some lovely music in it.
[Raymond:] We all know this but
[Margaret:] but er... the sorcerer is
[Raymond:] some of it is very clever some of it, the effects and when you think back to nineteen forty one whichever
[Ken:] Oh yeah, oh it was marvellous, but I mean it's
[Raymond:] You'd never get away with it today
[Margaret:] It was popular in the cinema's wasn't it?
[Raymond:] you couldn't make it today and get away with it oh, it just wouldn't at all
[Ken:] well I mean
[Raymond:] and of course you'd, you watch it over sort of sentimental or what have you, but I, I couldn't watch it again I don't think. I can listen to the music
[Margaret:] Well that's why, that's why I said well we would
[Ken:] I was gonna say I mean, yeah
[Margaret:] keep it on tape because
[Raymond:] I haven't got some of the music but
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] yeah that's true we've got them on record, but erm, no it's erm
[Ken:] It's not
[Raymond:] And of course it was Stokowski was the conductor you see
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] he was a big name at the time, Laepol Stokowski
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] but erm, I imagine what's his name wouldn't do it, Walt Disney
[Margaret:] Oh good heavens no, I mean Walt Disney
[Raymond:] the M B C
[Margaret:] Mind that plant behind you.
[Raymond:] Oh it was very good.
[Ken:] What's this one about erm
[Raymond:] Well I, I hadn't heard of it on the telly, I with you yesterday, Jessica Tandy, erm Green Tomatoes
[Margaret:] Oh yes, yes
[Raymond:] Cafe or something
[Margaret:] yes
[Raymond:] Look at this, it ain't very good
[Margaret:] a peculiar title
[Raymond:] Oh she's
[Margaret:] How, how old is she, she's about eighty isn't she?
[Ken:] Private, she's eighty odd
[Raymond:] She's ninety two she is now, ninety two
[Ken:] Is she ninety two?
[Margaret:] It's incredible I heard her on the radio, she sounded very allusive
[Ken:] She was before the war
[Raymond:] Yeah she was in the The Birds, wasn't she that film called The Birds
[Margaret:] That's right, yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] only a small role in that but she sort of had a late arrival
[Ken:] But she's the what's it, what, said like she was the toast of America for years
[Margaret:] Mm
[Ken:] in the, in the, on the stage
[Raymond:] Oh on the stage, yeah, but in films she came in later and only had small parts and never made
[Ken:] yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] much impact until this, one about the chauffeur did she
[Ken:] Yeah Driving Miss Daisy
[Margaret:] Yeah Driving Miss Daisy yeah, have you seen that?
[Ken:] I have
[Raymond:] Have you seen it?
[Ken:] I enjoyed that, yeah
[Margaret:] Did you see it at the cinema or on video?
[Ken:] No on video, I, I saw that
[Raymond:] Oh
[Ken:] it's er, I, well I enjoyed it
[Margaret:] I was gonna say it has to vary to
[Ken:] It's, you know I mean it's a bit predictable and all that really, but
[Margaret:] Entertaining, mm
[Ken:] it was er
[Raymond:] She's in that wasn't she er Kelly Maguinness about the Macarthy business that
[Ken:] She said the play is
[Margaret:] erm
[Raymond:] The House on Carol Street was it? Yeah
[Margaret:] Oh er, The House on yes I think it was Carol Street wasn't it?
[Raymond:] she was the old lady that sort of let to read to her
[Margaret:] That's right she goes to read to you, yeah
[Raymond:] mm, then again she didn't have much of a part in that
[Ken:] She didn't, she's
[Raymond:] no
[Ken:] in a play isn't she?
[Raymond:] A play
[Margaret:] What in London now er, a
[Ken:] It's on er one, either this one or somebody else, being interviewed no she was sit in this
[Raymond:] what play is that
[Ken:] I'm sure she said she was in a play
[Margaret:] Well I, I know she said while she was over here, she's just
[Ken:] Oh she was er, in a, in a
[Margaret:] promoting a film perhaps, I don't think she's in a
[Ken:] no she didn't, it was promoting, I don't know whether she was in the television one, but I'm sure she said she's work, she was working, you know she was over here to work
[Margaret:] Mm, I know it, she was with her husband because erm whoever it was
[Ken:] Yes, it was
[Margaret:] who interviewed her
[Raymond:] How old is he?
[Margaret:] I can't remember who it was now, but they said have you been, have you seen this, have you done that, which she said no she hasn't, I think she'd only just arrived some, some time last week didn't she?
[Ken:] Yeah
[Margaret:] But er, mm
[Ken:] but er
[Margaret:] I wouldn't of thought she
[Raymond:] She's got very severe though hasn't she, you, never comes over erm a sympathetic character, she's always playing the
[Margaret:] The more austere types
[Raymond:] Like that one in Carol Street that was a type she played that one
[Margaret:] Yes that's her role in
[Raymond:] always thought of rebuking the girl, so
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] the slightest thing and
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] very little humour
[Ken:] But then that was the role she played obviously
[Raymond:] Well that's it
[Margaret:] Well she's a bit like that in Driving Miss Daisy I think isn't she?
[Ken:] I've no idea.
[Margaret:] Mm, well I'm only going by cuts I've seen, but... same type of role I suppose. So what have you decided to do about these damn boards?
[Raymond:] I thought I would go and take one of the head ones and journey along down to that place and so, you know, is there any chance you slipping me down a good four long ones and if he says no, think again?
[Margaret:] Mm, see how many
[Ken:] Well how much is the detector?
[Margaret:] One of the hand held ones
[Raymond:] About fifteen quid I think for a small one this chap said, it's very cheap
[Margaret:] Oh, cheap, oh I thought it would of been about fifty pounds
[Raymond:] No
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] they're only a plastic job I would of imagined
[Margaret:] Oh I mean
[Raymond:] it's only that long
[Margaret:] What if the same situation would apply with iron nails presumably then
[Raymond:] Well I've no idea, you know, I mean he all he does is all timber so I imagine he's dealing with a quite a lot of old hand made nails and
[Margaret:] Mm hand made nails mm, you'll have to ask him about it, it might be an investment and begin a usually
[Ken:] Oh I was gonna say what kind has he got? How much was his?
[Raymond:] Oh I, I think he said they only fifteen pounds, those tiny ones.
[Ken:] Is that what he's got at this
[Raymond:] That's what he uses, cos I mean he wouldn't be doing stuff like this anyway mind.
[Margaret:] So does he take his to a timber yard to be split?
[Raymond:] I wouldn't of thought so.
[Margaret:] Well why does he use it then, why does he need a metal detect?
[Raymond:] Well if he gets an old piece of
[Ken:] Wants to plane it
[Raymond:] or he wants to plane it or
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] whatever he wants to make sure that he's
[Ken:] He's not going to ruin his tools you see
[Margaret:] Yes, mm
[Raymond:] cos well even the chisel he could knock, knock a lump of chisel couldn't you with a
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] chopping away there's a, there's a nail in it
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] not this sort of thing you wouldn't as I say he wouldn't of been touching it with this. So
[Ken:] Well how thick this stuff is then?
[Raymond:] About an inch and
[Ken:] Oh it could, should do that I was wondering what technique he'd be very good at
[Margaret:] It's a three quarters
[Raymond:] It's er three quarters isn't it and five eighths whatever, I'm hoping to get two
[Margaret:] Two boards
[Raymond:] two shelves out of it you see
[Ken:] I reckon you can cut it yourself
[Raymond:] Well that's what I'm trying to get these to do you see, that's it, it's about that, that wide, and doing that by hand
[Margaret:] And keeping it straight, you'd have to have a jig or something to keep it in
[Raymond:] No I did those others just to I got one side and then you turn it over, you keep to the line all the time you know, so the two cuts meet
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] most times they do, sometimes they
[Ken:] It does not [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] the Channel Tunnel
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] We'd have two tunnels
[Ken:] Three, right I'll be going to Chester again tomorrow [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] That's how they used to do it Ken
[Ken:] I know we did right, but I that's something I'd never
[Raymond:] this chap with his book he says watch out of it George it burns you, look in the corner and get your torch, you know, maybe you're going to an antique place
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] get inside, sometimes
[Margaret:] Get inside you're going
[Raymond:] where it hasn't, the plane hasn't, he said he can see and he tells you how to
[Margaret:] See the saw marks, mm mm, that's right, because there were like lines across where they
[Raymond:] And you've got different sort of saw marks some of er them saw, which er, is obvious a machine, they even had band saws apparently at the end of the last century, cabinet makers band saws... oh I've never seen, all I've ever seen is the big ones for mills you know the logs, these ones for er, obviously for timber erm
[Ken:] They must need to cut them
[Raymond:] and then of course there's you can see the mark on it, that one's a curl isn't it? But er, pre, I thought you were talking about George the first something like that... then you've got er hand sawn timber, you know you can see the marks on the board...
[Margaret:] Er, you've been fiddling about at the back where it breaks yeah, did you tell Ken?
[Raymond:] some of this has gone on
[Ken:] on the back there?
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Ken:] Ah you want, you know what is surprising you know, he said about putting the what's its name in the, in the base
[Raymond:] No
[Ken:] Well you know how the, those gutters one sits on the other at the joint don't they, and they used to fill it with er putty didn't they and
[Raymond:] That's right, yeah
[Ken:] and they used to have a little screw to...
[Raymond:] No
[Ken:] well there was a screw in
[Margaret:] Oh
[Ken:] oh there was a screw, we had like a screw with er some screw with er, with er like a nut on the end didn't they, and I thought now this is
[Raymond:] no way is this gonna come out
[Ken:] come out
[Margaret:] Ooh
[Ken:] put it in the vice, I mean put it in the vice... whether, whether it just pull the head off I don't know but it came out got a screw in there
[Raymond:] Mm well you think all those years
[Ken:] the knot, the knot in the what's its name
[Raymond:] Yes
[Ken:] but er
[Raymond:] this chap said in his book about and his screws, touch it with a soldering iron something hot, you know, the head in it, it'll get warm and sort of sometimes cracks the, separates the rust from the
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] outside of the screw
[Ken:] Of course you'll get a bit of heat, get a bit of heat from it, yeah
[Raymond:] you to start otherwise your head snaps off doesn't it? You wouldn't of thought of putting a soldering iron on there would you?... He does have some good tips this chap.
[Ken:] What book's that?
[Raymond:] The one by this chap teaching
[Margaret:] At college
[Raymond:] you know he's written the book Michael Bennett
[Margaret:] bought the book
[Ken:] Yeah
[Margaret:] Have you seen the film, now buy the book, huh
[Ken:] So you've bought the book?
[Raymond:] I've bought it yeah
[Margaret:] at a discount
[Ken:] You weren't going to buy it were you?
[Margaret:] No
[Raymond:] Well I thought I'd borrow one or
[Margaret:] you bought, well you did borrow one
[Raymond:] bloke that came to er, theatre closing on a Sunday, a once a monthly
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] fifteen quid's not bad
[Ken:] Oh, oh that's superb
[Raymond:] they're for sale in America, Australia, Canada
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] well
[Ken:] well I mean they I, I shouldn't imagine, I should imagine there must be potential or they wouldn't of sent him there
[Margaret:] Oh of course of course
[Ken:] you know er, they're not that daft
[Raymond:] Oh no, I hope that
[Ken:] that they waste money, er
[Raymond:] oh no, I don't think they would be
[Margaret:] I mean the thing is it's a limited market isn't it? But the, but it, well like it's there
[Raymond:] A lot of people interested now you see amateurs
[Margaret:] Yes
[Ken:] Oh
[Raymond:] you know you see them on the telly, don't you, housewife with er
[Ken:] Ah well I mean there's of course well I mean that what's it you know, it's surprising how much, that Antiques Roadshow's
[Margaret:] Oh well
[Raymond:] oh absolutely oh yeah
[Ken:] you know
[Margaret:] he must get a huge audience every Sunday night, I know we would
[Raymond:] But then again a lot of people wouldn't dream of doing anything, they go and buy some but er there are
[Ken:] But they would read, some would read about it and things like that
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] Oh I'd have a go at that
[Margaret:] Mm
[Ken:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Oh yes... I wonder if this fellow sort of does take the erm mystique out of a great extent, they said we'd try to get some chemicals this morning from him.
[Margaret:] Oh yes, well, you said you were gonna
[Raymond:] You said ring old Bentley up didn't you?
[Margaret:] Yeah, well er, yeah well go down there I mean he still lives at the back of the shops still just ask him
[Raymond:] Yeah...
[Ken:] Well you could ask him right, I mean, I, I mean I don't, I don't think he sh, he didn't sell the shop did he? And I don't suppose
[Margaret:] Oh no he told
[Ken:] he sold off all his stock
[Margaret:] they did a feature on him didn't they the other
[Ken:] Yeah
[Margaret:] week and they
[Ken:] I don't suppose you know, I mean
[Margaret:] he's erm a bit of an eccentric now isn't he?
[Ken:] Cor not half, but he's always been a bit of
[Margaret:] oh well yes I suppose so
[Raymond:] He was as didn't he years ago and the big kids sort of, well not torment him, but he's for the fun you know
[Margaret:] Did he, was he in, was he in the polo team or did he used to er no wasn't interested I can remember seeing him about of cubs or
[Raymond:] Always used to go on a Sunday messing about a big str, a bit strong fellow to he had good legs on him, he did a lot of cycling you know
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] but the big kids used to jump on and all, he used to laugh like
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Oh yeah []
[Raymond:] oh as you say a bit of a character
[Margaret:] Yeah... right so go down and see him, and then go over to that place near Red Row and see if they'll cut that wood for you... we can see it's just gone half past two now, I want a ball game on the fence post post today
[Raymond:] I offered to help he said he's got a mate to help I don't know whether he thinks I'm gonna mm, oh unless Kathy did she say he thought
[Margaret:] No, what
[Raymond:] I was work, going to school
[Margaret:] Yes he thought you were at college today because I said no, I said erm it's Tuesday he goes cos Kathy said oh your dad could of come on Monday, oh what's this lad's name who was helping me today?
[Raymond:] One of the police fellows, you know
[Margaret:] One of fellows he did his training with you know and he said
[Shirley:] I, I slept very badly on Sunday night but I slept much better last night and I woke up early, if I go to sleep early,wer, a, I wake up early
[Raymond:] Oh with still aches and pains
[Shirley:] Sunday's I'm absol yeah, I'm absolutely knackered and I just can't get out of bed even though I'm awake, you know
[Raymond:] Great, good god
[Shirley:] and then other, like this morning I woke up about quarter to seven, well I'd been awake a while but I thought I'd came to at quarter to seven I went down and make some tea and having breakfast
[Raymond:] Bouncing with energy
[Shirley:] and then, no I wouldn't say that
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Shirley:] but er, no my arms have been really painful this last week
[Raymond:] Mm, mm, Margaret it's her feet, huh
[Shirley:] I don't know why
[Raymond:] she gets out of bed and she's like this
[Shirley:] Oh well I'm like that al always, I walk to the bathroom you know
[Raymond:] yeah, that's right, yeah to lean
[Shirley:] But that's, that's something I've had for years, but my arms and shoulders
[Raymond:] Shoulder mm
[Shirley:] and you know my elbows
[Raymond:] Mm
[Shirley:] my, my shoulders
[Raymond:] It must be awful thing and of course you tend if, if you haven't got it to tend to think for god sake, you know it's a, it's a nice day
[Shirley:] You know some days I'm really like an old
[Raymond:] mm
[Shirley:] when I get
[Raymond:] Yes, yes, yeah
[Shirley:] up in the morning once I've had a bath and I'm moving, you know, I'm fine
[Raymond:] That's right
[Shirley:] so I, it's just
[Raymond:] yet you never seem to show it here, do you, once, once you're going
[Shirley:] m, well as I say, once I'm going [LAUGHTER] it's just getting going []
[Raymond:] You know some people I mean er, er they're really bad
[Shirley:] Yeah
[Raymond:] they're, they're, they have to sit down
[Shirley:] Yeah
[Raymond:] for a, days don't they?
[Shirley:] Yeah
[Raymond:] But they say exercise is a bad thing if er the joints are infected, but the joint
[Shirley:] Well, I'm trying to sort of monitor my diet really erm
[Raymond:] Yes, you must
[Shirley:] erm, avoiding citrus fruits, I drink too much coffee
[Raymond:] Coffee
[Shirley:] I know I drink too much coffee
[Raymond:] well we do, yes, that's bad for you
[Shirley:] I've started drinking camomile tea on occasion
[Raymond:] Yeah vile though isn't it?
[Shirley:] No, I don't mind it
[Raymond:] Oh
[Shirley:] but I can't drink it all the time
[Raymond:] No, no it's an acquired taste
[Shirley:] I've gone on to decaffeinated coffee I do drink decaffeinated
[Raymond:] Oh yeah, that's better, erm
[Shirley:] erm, but erm you know it's just one of those
[Raymond:] but of course it's
[Shirley:] unfortunate things I think, so
[Raymond:] some of the young people have got it, my, I mean my son is only twenty nine and he's got it you know in the shoulders this er
[Shirley:] Mm
[Raymond:] er, now he doesn't like to talk about it you see, and I said to him one day look Paul for god sake, oh, he'll tell his mum, but he doesn't like to talk about it to me
[Shirley:] No, well mind you I mean
[Raymond:] which is bad really isn't it?
[Shirley:] well Nick, Nick, I've always been the buffer, it's funny, I mean Bruce is, is very like you in a lot of ways, he's very easy going, you know and, but if the kids ever wanted anything
[Raymond:] Mum
[Shirley:] or wanted to
[Raymond:] that's right
[Shirley:] real to say something to Bruce they'll come to me and I'll have
[Raymond:] Yes
[Shirley:] and I'll have [LAUGHTER] to tell Bruce []
[Raymond:] that's right, funny isn't it? Yeah
[Shirley:] it's really strange isn't it?
[Raymond:] yeah, it is, yeah
[Shirley:] And yet, you know, he's, he's marv, he's super and they think the world of him
[Raymond:] Just that mum
[Shirley:] It's a lot more when they were
[Raymond:] but it's, it's all cos you know younger perhaps
[Shirley:] Yeah
[Raymond:] it's still all there, isn't it?
[Shirley:] Yes, yes, it is strange that they have this
[Raymond:] Yeah, even on the phone our Rob rings up and er, he'll speak to me for a few minutes and he speaks
[Shirley:] Yeah is mum there?
[Raymond:] yeah is mum there, or, you know, oh
[Shirley:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] or she'll have two talks to him, when I've finished, but mum on again
[Shirley:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] what have I done?
[Shirley:] I don't think it's anything really
[Raymond:] No, no, it's just
[Shirley:] at all, it's just er
[Raymond:] it's how they are
[George:] You can make them up you me or or
[John:] No
[George:] no, oh...
[Brian:] You know, you know this casting
[John:] It would cost you more to build it up and buy the parts
[George:] Oh yeah probably would, yeah, new
[John:] that's, that's your problem
[George:] if they're new parts anyway
[John:] Yeah
[George:] yeah, yeah, unless they're old, old ones yeah... and they'd all have to fit wouldn't they? I suppose they're not all the, you get a record, they, was a stanley
[Brian:] Yeah...
[George:] the other one's a re, I mustn't get one of these oh a long one it's eh
[Brian:] Yeah
[George:] for shooting and er doing the long stuff
[Brian:] Is it this lot they call jointing plane is it?
[George:] Yeah
[Brian:] Or is that the very, very long one?
[George:] that's the smoothing one the little one, isn't it?
[Brian:] They're bound to have dozens of them in there
[George:] Oh and the old jack plane, remember the
[Brian:] oh, we have done that
[George:] yeah, they're not worth buying second hand I don't think now because there's so much wear on them isn't there? You know the wood on them over the years it's
[Brian:] Well it's not, oh, this is the metal one
[George:] Oh I see yeah, yeah, I'm thinking back to the wooden ones, yeah at school, you know the er, we use to have a shooting board
[Brian:] Mind you the shape
[George:] I suppose yeah but you, you, sometimes you get the hole wears doesn't it were the er blade is and all this business so you get a great wadge of wood jamming in there... but er, I could do spending a few hundred quid on tools, but... what can you do? right, yeah, very, very useful
[John:] Oh
[George:] but I don't know, we of those John are very, very
[John:] Pardon?
[George:] dangerous you know, with the fastest moving
[John:] Oh
[George:] wood machine, they're doing about thirty odd thousand revs you know, so I mean
[John:] No there's twenty to
[George:] Twenty is it? Yeah
[John:] over twenty two thousand
[George:] that's a lot of revs
[John:] Yeah
[George:] one mistake... you know forget something... and you'll be going round like this five pints [LAUGHTER]... I use, I use to see quite a lot of things missing you know in a certain time
[John:] Oh the erm
[George:] I saw three bad accidents you know, with people on, mainly on spindles they wouldn't put the guards, they never used to have the guard on you see you
[John:] No
[George:] you were like this...
[John:] yeah
[George:] I've seen that happen twice
[John:] yeah
[George:] and then a, a guy that I served the time on, he, he was he was
[John:] And also
[George:] nearly seventy and he's put his hand under to get the
[John:] the spindle guard is
[George:] er, shavings out
[John:] you have a block on which the cutters are bolted aren't they?
[George:] English block yes that's right, yeah
[John:] Yeah and sometimes it wears loose, you know?
[George:] Oh yeah, oh you must watch that
[John:] Yeah
[George:] but they're not allowed to use them now George said
[John:] Pardon?
[George:] here anyway, they're not allowed to use an English block or the French head, which is the one, you know, the spindle
[John:] And
[George:] the slot in it, so I mean really that one up there is a, a bit of an ornament, never used, I suppose you can see why because er
[John:] That's right
[George:] they started letting, letting students use that well er [LAUGHTER]
[John:] of course, er
[George:] they'll be paying compensation
[John:] they do a lot of rebating with that dado head on the
[George:] Do they? Here?
[John:] and the remember when you went up on it, the housing for the bookcase on that
[George:] yes, yes, yes
[John:] Do you remember it, pulling the machine across and there was your housing
[George:] Oh yes on the cross cut thing, yeah, er, er
[John:] Yeah
[George:] you can use it for a saw or put a head
[John:] and you can set it
[George:] that's right, yeah, that's right, now that was very useful that was
[John:] Yeah
[George:] the French out yeah, yeah, yes they allow it, well they allow them to use it don't they, I suppose, now that's very dangerous mate
[John:] I've seen a lot of those in there
[George:] saves a lot of work
[John:] semi, semi domestic use
[George:] I mean there's so much more, well I did these on the mortise er, up the top last week you know
[John:] Yeah
[George:] did it on the mortise
[John:] Mm
[George:] and er, so all I had to do was the tenons really and, and at least you know that they're symmetrical
[John:] Yeah
[George:] you know, there's no, whereas when you do it with a chisel it's a bit of a, inverted commas
[John:] Oh yeah
[George:] [LAUGHTER]... right box on a bit
[Brian:] The only way we can actually go about it... is that if we use these cramps and if you remember me telling you, or I do hint every now and then, make sure you keep the cramps straight parallel to the rails, and that's the reason why because it'll fall straight, now if something's in twist and we want to bring it back again, what you do is if it's in twist that way, you put the cramp as I've done these slightly up
[George:] Up
[Brian:] now that cramp
[George:] oh well, oh
[Brian:] as you turn it up, it's gonna pull straight, that bit still didn't do it so we went to the other side, put the cramp the other way and having put that one down and that one up, now if you sight that now through there
[Shirley:] Yeah it's alright now
[George:] This is wobbling isn't it?
[John:] One, one leg's shorter than the other for starters isn't it?
[George:] Jolly good
[John:] This one
[Brian:] it will, but what is the most important, do we get the
[John:] I want the shorter one in that one is it?
[Shirley:] Yeah, yeah
[John:] George
[Brian:] Now what's happened in the past someone has cut these
[John:] that's right
[Brian:] wrongly
[George:] Oh aye, it's going down there
[Shirley:] try and make it er
[George:] You clever Brian, no, ah?
[Brian:] What we've got to do is one or two things, do we get this right?... Or do we get that right? And that's the original chair er when that was level, now to get that right
[George:] You have to take some off that one there
[Brian:] Or
[George:] afterwards
[Brian:] put something on there
[Shirley:] Mm
[Brian:] and it's leaning forward and it's
[George:] and, and these two as well
[Brian:] supposed to have casters
[Shirley:] No you should have casters on there that's why
[Brian:] and it about up to there
[George:] Should you really?
[Shirley:] Yes
[Brian:] so that's what's missing
[George:] Shucks
[Shirley:] so would of
[Brian:] It would of had either
[George:] Surely not, it would of made too high with casters
[Shirley:] No, no
[George:] Oh
[Shirley:] And if a chair's sloping like that you could of
[George:] Yeah I know, but, but
[Shirley:] casters on
[George:] I imagine it would be a greater
[speaker004:] So that's how it should be
[George:] slope than that wouldn't it?
[John:] Yeah
[George:] And not only that
[Shirley:] No
[speaker004:] There's something missing off there
[Shirley:] no
[George:] a bit fine to get casters on the end of that
[Shirley:] no
[speaker004:] no inch, inch and a half they do them seven eighths
[Shirley:] erm, now you've got to make your mind up on this
[George:] Once again I stand corrected [LAUGHTER]
[Shirley:] What's more important... getting that level and putting that right or getting the bottom level which to me would be more important
[speaker004:] I think just
[Shirley:] So do we stand the cramping?
[George:] Yeah, this business of pulling it down there to...
[Shirley:] OK, so we can use the cramps to your advantage to pull things back into again, by just offsetting them.
[George:] I was mentioning to Chris before you know she had a hell of a job to get these joints out here cos they've got three dowels in each one
[Brian:] Yeah
[George:] now using Mike's method, you know, putting the water in
[Brian:] Well that's what we did to get this far
[George:] Yeah, but she didn't, she didn't inject it, did she?
[Brian:] No we just grabbed the dowel
[George:] But the, the trouble was the water wasn't going into the dowels
[Brian:] Well it won't even if you inject it because, how
[George:] I just wondered is there another way?
[Brian:] No
[George:] Oh
[Brian:] all it will do is slowly soften and go in, I can assure you, you don't need to inject it
[George:] No, so there, they've got to be forced, forced out
[Brian:] warm water in, warm water
[George:] Yeah
[Brian:] and don't forget water will go in with capillary attraction
[George:] I see
[Brian:] so the tighter the joint, the water will penetrate
[George:] because the obviously danger's that it's snapping the dowels and it's which, it what happened on, on the case of the two dowels innit?
[speaker004:] That's because we were porting it
[George:] Yeah
[speaker004:] what we should do when you're doing these and we took one apart but we didn't break them
[Shirley:] Mm
[speaker004:] and what your supposed to do is
[George:] Clamps
[speaker004:] sudden shock
[George:] Oh
[speaker004:] if you find that it's not moving
[George:] I see
[speaker004:] with a sudden shock, that's when the dowels are gonna break, so what you try and do is you actually
[George:] Lever it so that
[speaker004:] fix one, but don't lever it too much in this stuff, just to move them
[George:] No cos it's gonna snap
[speaker004:] and then once you've started moving them
[Shirley:] Bring the chair over
[speaker004:] in the water, so you start making the crack, you put more water in
[George:] Mm, yes
[speaker004:] and that softens the joint, and it's surprising the warm water going in
[George:] Good i yes
[speaker004:] it will soften the joint anyway
[George:] with the animal glue
[speaker004:] Yeah
[George:] Yeah
[John:] It's best to use a rag or something round it
[Shirley:] Yes it is, yes...
[speaker004:] because the rag is only going to stay damp on the outside
[Shirley:] That's a good idea
[George:] Well what about using the clampers we did before, turned inside out or whatever, you know with the, force the joints
[speaker004:] These wouldn't, you know, you'd have to turn these round, you can use these clips to clamp a part, but
[George:] Mm
[speaker004:] most of the time, you can, if you soften it, it came apart reasonably easy
[George:] is isn't
[speaker004:] so if the joint is loose
[George:] hand me swinging on it for ten minutes [LAUGHTER] they were tight, they were very tight one's
[speaker004:] Well if you just run, once you've got the, got the crack
[Shirley:] Yes
[George:] Mm
[speaker004:] the joint open a little bit run water
[George:] Water, yeah [sniff]
[speaker004:] don't even in inject, you know pour a cup of water in, into a, through and then it'll come off fast
[George:] Don't you have to wait until that dries before you put the new glue on the, the joint?
[speaker004:] No because with the glue
[George:] Oh doesn't matter, oh of course it's water
[speaker004:] soak it in water
[George:] Yes, I that's right yeah, oh there you are learnt something else
[Shirley:] I'll point it out to the girl and if she wanted to, it, it's not a chair, but I think it's more decorative than anything else
[George:] It's a nice brown colour that too, isn't it ah?
[Shirley:] and it, it didn't look odd at all really yeah
[George:] Ah that's right, have the, have the upholstery slanting [LAUGHTER]
[Shirley:] What sort of wood is it?
[George:] Mahogany
[Brian:] It's
[Shirley:] Why's it so pale?
[Brian:] it's
[George:] Pale mahogany
[Brian:] yeah, now what's
[speaker004:] It looks like yew
[Brian:] Yeah
[George:] Oh is it?
[John:] You reckon
[speaker004:] It looks like, no.
[George:] You haven't been here for... last week did you?
[Nanette:] Last week
[Shirley:] Right yes, yes
[George:] Oh what a sham
[Shirley:] yes I missed you after
[George:] we all missed you didn't we? something missing wasn't there, that, that little spark
[Nanette:] Ah, you're so good
[George:] [LAUGHTER]
[Nanette:] No I had a friend er from Holland who stayed
[George:] Oh lovely, yeah
[Nanette:] and well I've, I've had a sort of split feeling I wanted to be here
[George:] Oh well you've got a visitor you can't can you?
[Nanette:] I know
[George:] How long have you got now, er before you go back?
[Nanette:] Stopped dancing
[John:] Pardon?
[Nanette:] I stopped dancing when I came to
[George:] What, oh I didn't see that
[Nanette:] no, no and it'll need in America to dance
[John:] Pardon?
[George:] you can't dance with clogs on [LAUGHTER]
[Nanette:] You can
[John:] Oh yes
[Nanette:] People do
[George:] I know clog
[Nanette:] I don't know how, but
[George:] [LAUGHTER]
[John:] Ah, just eh Nanette...
[George:] I thought it was Fred Astaire
[Shirley:] Don't believe them for one minute
[George:] Take no notice... did you ever see a programme about erm, I forget his name now but he used to dance with Sammy Davis... er man in he's nearly seventy now I suppose but him and his brother go to this place in New York and it showed him outside in the street
[John:] Cotton Club
[George:] The Cotton Club
[John:] Yeah
[George:] and this chappie had a double hip replacement operation, it's been on the television here and er, he said they started off dancing with Sammy Davis, you know, er what's it called, Tip Tap Toe or something like that, they, they act Sammy Davis and his, and his parents and then these two chaps I, I mean they hadn't made it big time
[John:] Well he was quite a good dancer himself
[George:] Oh yes, oh gosh, yes, well these two are fantastic for their ages, god the way the could move, you know
[John:] Yeah
[George:] and they get two this guy got... absolutely marvellous but they were full of it and they said we just learned it we didn't, we didn't go to school or anything like that, we
[Nanette:] They learned it on the corner
[George:] they danced on the, on the corner
[Nanette:] they, they sort of compete with each other for different steps
[George:] Oh yes, oh it was all like in you say, but it doesn't a character
[Nanette:] Did you see that kid from Lancashire? [LAUGHTER]
[John:] Honestly they, they were
[George:] you're thinking about
[John:] clog dancing
[Nanette:] clog dancing and
[John:] and the clogs have the steel run
[George:] oh yeah but it's not the same
[John:] but I mean it's amazing how fast
[George:] Yeah
[John:] and they, they beat out the rhythm in much the same way don't it?
[George:] I mean that's, that's about as entertaining as morris dancing
[Nanette:] Morris dancing, I find that very interesting
[George:] I can't stand it me, do you like it
[John:] I mean somebody's again there's morris dancing and there's morris dancing
[Nanette:] I feel that if there's, there's awful lot of history this cos there's a very ancient history behind it
[John:] Erm, yeah
[George:] Oh yes, I imagine, oh yeah
[Nanette:] I find very interesting
[George:] Oh there must be, yeah, as an entertainment I don't know.
[John:] There, there was a wonderful display in Chester about five years ago
[Nanette:] They're good
[John:] er quite a
[George:] Mhm
[John:] large number of morris dancers
[Nanette:] They're still there, they were there last week
[John:] but some from Leeds
[George:] Oh aye there, oh there's hundreds of clubs
[John:] The sword dancers you know were they use the and some of it
[George:] I don't fancy that
[John:] is absolutely tremendous
[Nanette:] Mm, mm
[John:] the way they involve these complicated patterns
[Nanette:] but I think they were either last week or the week before they were there
[George:] Mm, what about the Scotch dancing, with the, over the swords?
[John:] Yeah
[George:] You have to have a lot of plasters for your toes I believe
[Nanette:] [LAUGHTER]
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[George:] [LAUGHTER]
[John:] No the Irish have the version of that too don't they?
[Nanette:] That's right the jug isn't it?
[George:] Jimmy Cagney
[John:] Pardon?
[George:] I'm a yankee doodle [LAUGHTER]
[Nanette:] [LAUGHTER]
[George:] Did you ever see that film?
[Nanette:] Yes four times
[George:] Oh he's
[Nanette:] [LAUGHTER]
[George:] sticks his bottom out
[John:] it's amazing how he changed isn't it from a
[Nanette:] There's a terrible article about him in the papers just last week about Mickey Rooney, he wrote some
[George:] Oh I like Mickey Rooney
[Nanette:] some, I, he wrote a biography the second part of this biography and got a real in L A
[George:] Yeah
[John:] What Mickey Rooney?
[George:] Mickey Rooney oh, oh
[John:] Well Cagney
[George:] biography, autobiography
[John:] was a great song and dance man, that was him, then he became
[George:] biography or autobiography?
[Nanette:] auto autobiography
[George:] Ooh I'd like to read that
[John:] then he went into the
[George:] I'd love to
[John:] dance
[Nanette:] yeah
[George:] Oh Cagney oh that's how he started off public enemy
[Nanette:] That's right
[John:] Oh he's in the song and dance before
[George:] Oh yes
[John:] before the gangster on the stage
[George:] and in films
[John:] but Edward G was a marvellous actor, he was a stage actor he was
[George:] Yeah
[John:] I like, I like him
[Nanette:] Yes very good I thought I don't, there's no characters have any more, there's very few anyway
[George:] It's like what's his name Sammy Davis, when he was alive he was on the telly doing all these and he said how can you do this fellows now he said?
[John:] They just train themselves, don't they?
[George:] Steve McQueen and er
[Nanette:] They have no personality themselves do they?
[George:] all, they're all, they're all, there's very little
[Nanette:] Mm
[George:] They're either shouting or... but I mean they're getting millions now you get this
[Nanette:] Was it Michael Cain in that movie he was in over the weekend, er
[George:] I don't like
[John:] Oh Educating Rita
[Nanette:] Yes that's right
[George:] Yeah
[Nanette:] and one of the few movies where he's not going around shouting... he was drinking, but he wasn't shouting
[George:] Yeah, quite good actually I like Julie Walters
[Nanette:] he was exactly acting in general
[George:] she's er
[John:] er actually a lot of his film is fairly quietly, he wasn't doing shouting in Zulu
[George:] He tends he tends to be
[Nanette:] No
[George:] stereotyped doesn't he, I
[John:] er mm, the Italian Affair
[George:] the only one I like him in, the one I like him in was the Sleuth, did you ever see that one?
[John:] Erm
[George:] Forget who wrote it, erm
[John:] no with Olivier
[George:] Olivia Hall, now that was brilliant that was
[John:] Yeah
[George:] Have you seen it?
[Nanette:] Yeah
[George:] Oh
[John:] Mm
[George:] Of course Olivier, but he was good in that one, because he was playing his part, you know the [LAUGHTER] the jumped up hairdresser sort of thing [LAUGHTER]
[Nanette:] [LAUGHTER]
[George:] Yes, it was very good that
[Nanette:] Yes... ah
[George:] but erm she'd been trying to get hold of George I think for about two hours.
[Raymond:] No, in Weymouth where my son lives
[John:] Weymouth?
[Raymond:] Yeah, sells half tubs and erm fittings for the old houses, floor boards, doors, bit of furniture
[John:] All architectural salvage places
[Raymond:] they're very cheap, they don't seem to know their value that, I got those two Ercols there
[John:] Yeah
[Raymond:] got the rocking chair, a wardrobe
[John:] the Ercols you say pay forty was it?
[Raymond:] Forty pounds for those, they cost me about a hundred pounds those you know, the materials
[John:] Pardon?
[Raymond:] They cost me about a hundred pounds altogether with the materials
[John:] What for the pair?
[Raymond:] Yeah, yeah... dining chairs, six dining chairs they cost me seventy, I spent over thirty already on materials for the top material the foam... you know it's, everything's so dear now isn't it?
[John:] Yes
[Raymond:] what can you do?
[John:] Down there if somebody wanted to buy a chair like that
[Raymond:] Well
[John:] er a solid oak chair now is a hundred and fifty, two hundred quid a time
[Raymond:] yeah, I know, yeah that's right yeah, you can't skimp, you've just got to pay it
[John:] Pardon?
[Raymond:] You can't skimp
[John:] No
[Raymond:] if you want to do the job correctly, er it's no good buying very cheap material if it's gonna ruin the chair is it?
[John:] That's right
[Raymond:] So you might as well splash out and
[John:] Yeah
[Raymond:] hope you get the money
[John:] Mind you those er Ercol, we, say your wife wants to keep them
[Raymond:] She kept them, yeah, yeah
[John:] but they're erm, they'd be about five hundred quid to buy for the two
[Raymond:] I you were saying, yeah, yeah oh I know the the good stuff
[John:] Did you write off for a catalogue?
[Raymond:] No I never got round to it John, I should of done, yeah, I'll, I'll have to do that
[John:] Yeah
[Raymond:] I shall have to do that because er... er on your knees again er
[Nanette:] Yeah on me knees again for you
[Raymond:] are you gonna say a prayer?... Can't you get on the bench here er Nanette?
[Nanette:] Sorry
[Raymond:] Get on the bench
[Nanette:] well it was all, no it's OK, it's OK, I need some exercise so
[Raymond:] Oh I see you
[John:] Shall I do it for you while you're doing something else?
[Raymond:] Oh well You could always say, oh well er they didn't stop me and you claim about half a million... hey that's not bad drop something on your foot and say
[Victoria:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] I'm, I'm crippled now
[Victoria:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] I think we [LAUGHTER] he's walking round like a lost soul []
[Victoria:] Yeah
[Raymond:] It's a pain then isn't it when you're waiting for, why you waiting for machining is it?
[Victoria:] Drill that out and drill some holes in here, oh
[Raymond:] oh I see you want the advice from him
[Victoria:] Eh?
[Raymond:] You want advice old George
[Victoria:] I want, I want to know where the drill is so that I can use
[Raymond:] drill's up in the, John's cupboard
[Victoria:] Ah
[Raymond:] the electric drill
[Victoria:] well I don't really want an electric one, I can see missing a hole on here and
[Raymond:] Oh, well the other one's in here
[Victoria:] Ah alright
[Raymond:] the bits are in that grey box at that top there, er Victoria Secretarial work, you know that sort of thing, is run up on computers Oh aye, she's er, she's done a, she's done a course and... hearing aid... she's done a course and a
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[Victoria:] How were they on batteries?
[Raymond:] Great, they last me a long time
[Victoria:] Yeah, I did think here getting one, a tape, I often end up erm cutting the grass or something er... get the Sunday extended news I fancy er, you know because I've got a power mower
[Raymond:] Or your doing something and you don't want the others to hear because it's
[Victoria:] Yeah
[Raymond:] it's gonna disturb them, yeah I must get one for my er garage er, er a tape recorder, I've got the wireless in there but oh you know er, most of the time it's the noise isn't it, you know what I mean, get the odd programme you want to listen to, but a lot of the time it's erm pop music and that which I can't, I can't abide and then your Jimmy Young and
[Victoria:] I tell you what also, don't get Jimmy Young very often, I like him when he's interviewing
[Raymond:] Oh yeah he gets some
[Victoria:] because he gets them to talk, he doesn't impose his views on other people
[Raymond:] No, no, no, no
[Victoria:] he draws them out, which is what you want anyway
[Raymond:] and then you get some good er like a doctor goes on there and
[Victoria:] So many of these er Brian they're trying to impose their
[Raymond:] Yes, views yeah
[Victoria:] views
[Raymond:] mm, mm, which you don't want to hear do you?
[Victoria:] No
[Raymond:] You say it should be It's my son, I'm sort of playing it by ear, I'm not quite sure what I'm doing... oh dear me... not quite sure at all I usually end up working harder.
[Arthur:] Well if we hadn't of had that shower I'd be working on me hedge now, but er
[Raymond:] Yeah I got some work and me boys got on some post putting up, he said, but mind you, it might er dry up I don't know, it looks a bit er, thick doesn't it? You on today, all day?
[Arthur:] Pardon?
[Raymond:] You on this afternoon, work?
[Arthur:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Oh dear
[Arthur:] But they've er put me forward an hour which is quite handy
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Arthur:] so I'm going in for twelve and finish for eight
[Raymond:] Mm, this is in Chester isn't it?
[Arthur:] No, no, Sandy Way
[Raymond:] Oh
[Arthur:] Sandy, Sandy Croft, Sandy Way
[Raymond:] By the time you get back it's nine o'clock I suppose
[Arthur:] Yeah, well, I mean nine o'clock and you, you used to be back sort of twenty past
[Raymond:] Yeah, oh well
[Arthur:] now I'm back at twenty past eight instead
[Raymond:] won't be long
[Arthur:] so that's a
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER], come on cheeky chops, anyway see you, bye
[Arthur:] See you.
[Raymond:] Morning, how do you do?
[speaker004:] Hi...
[Arthur:] I know a lot
[Glyn:] Yeah I know
[Arthur:] Yeah I was sure that's what our team wrote down cos that's what I wrote on the sheet
[Glyn:] Yeah, yeah yeah
[Arthur:] Oh well, do you want to have a word with or
[Glyn:] Yeah I'm going to
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[speaker004:] Yeah, you should of said that
[Arthur:] [LAUGHTER]
[Glyn:] Hello, I've got Mr here from Mold market
[Arthur:] Sshh
[Glyn:] he said he's been up there and there's nothing but boxing, there should be something from shouldn't there?... you didn't give her name or something
[Arthur:] Yes I did, I said
[Glyn:] You know what a mouth a bugger these stall markets are
[Arthur:] Oh shit
[Glyn:] now, yeah... I know it's a daft thing, but what about erm
[speaker004:] Yeah, well I'd asked er she's not on for a while
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[speaker004:] I could bleep her if you want... oh I'll have to have a word with them see what's happened... well it'll be on board go and see
[Arthur:] Yeah
[speaker004:] Yes I'll do that, OK, ta. No she's looked under the M's and the fax but, I'll have to have a word with Anthony when he comes back and see what the hell he's playing at.
[Glyn:] He might have
[speaker004:] I know it's, I know it's
[Glyn:] yeah, yeah, yeah OK
[speaker004:] Alright?
[Glyn:] smashing
[Raymond:] Oh I is there anything down for number two, nine, five please, barley twist table
[speaker004:] Two, nine, five, nothing, but we've got fifteen
[Raymond:] fifteen
[speaker004:] number fifteen...
[Raymond:] that'll be worth forty ain't it, done up?
[speaker004:] Should think so
[Raymond:] Anything down er for these here computers?
[speaker004:] Oh the wise one you're talking about five hundred, because that's worth about thirty two K Mm, if you know what that is Yeah erm they're out of offices I presume are they? Yeah mm, business But erm, that one you'll be looking for about five hundred for the ways
[Raymond:] Ah, five hundred pounds mm, the
[speaker004:] and the other one on the left hand side about two, seven, five
[Raymond:] mm yeah, well forget that Why don't these bloody things undo? There we are
[speaker004:] Somebody had a go yesterday on that waves, you know, but as the yeah so er
[Raymond:] so these are the sophisticated ones it
[speaker004:] Oh, would be for that sort of money yeah
[Raymond:] they're probably, are they, er they're not a home one
[speaker004:] Oh heck, well I don't know to be honest with you, something you'll be able to play games on
[Raymond:] Oh no, no, I didn't, I wasn't thinking of that, but er
[speaker004:] a bit of a something about it, it's something in between that and
[Raymond:] about a fiver wouldn't you?
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER] oh shut up you Ah
[Raymond:] OK then.
[speaker004:] Concentration
[Raymond:] Oh I believe you've got to
[speaker004:] in fact erm we only managed to get away with it by having the one cost a lot er, thirty three percent very heavy
[Raymond:] Mm
[speaker004:] erm, secondly the a citric acid, is it citric or not?
[Raymond:] Acetic acid or ammonia
[speaker004:] No it's ammonia
[Raymond:] Well this is very heavy you mean, the ammonia is it?
[speaker004:] Don't know about that, that
[Raymond:] Oh
[speaker004:] to concentration on H H O. We only have household ammonia, if we have that and that is erm quite, quite low on concentration.
[Raymond:] Mm
[speaker004:] I think myself on that the best thing to do is to get in touch with the local chemist we often do that, that's what I suggest to people so they get chemicals that I don't have in public relations get in touch with them and others
[Raymond:] I see
[speaker004:] yes public relations exercise I said I see
[Raymond:] Oh
[speaker004:] erm, you got, it can produce
[Raymond:] you've got to go to Merseyside though for that
[speaker004:] No, no
[Raymond:] Oh
[speaker004:] no you've not, I mean, yellow pages, local chemical firm, anything
[Raymond:] Oh I see
[speaker004:] I mean the amount of it branch round here
[Raymond:] oh I see
[speaker004:] mm, they don't well then, then you could really, would be, I'll always start on, you could go down the police station and have a word with them, see what they think, and they'll probably put you in touch with somebody, cos they know everything they know what Probably region burns and so on Yeah
[Raymond:] Oh well, that's worth a try, well thank you very much, much obliged
[speaker004:] Thank you
[Raymond:] bye Counting your money?
[Glyn:] How much have you lost? [LAUGHTER]...
[speaker004:] Eight seventy two change, thanks
[Glyn:] Thank you
[speaker004:] Do you want
[Glyn:] No it's alright
[Raymond:] Bye Hello sir,m, Mr Bentley said you'd might be able to help me
[Hughes:] Yeah
[Raymond:] I'm after the chemist in B, I'm after a couple of er, chemicals to do a reviver, a french polisher these two here, get everything but this and, and this one here, as you can see it's only a tiny amount I require
[Hughes:] Yeah
[Raymond:] erm, I've tried the two chemists in Buckley, but er
[Hughes:] What's, what's this in there?
[Raymond:] Ammonia point eight eight O
[Hughes:] Oh eight eight ammonia, I don't think I've got any, anyway I'll have a look in it and acetic acid is the problem is it? Is that, is that the one?
[Raymond:] That's acetic acid but it's got to be this
[Hughes:] Thirty three percent, yes
[Raymond:] I can get all the other things...
[Hughes:] Have we got any acetic acid in here
[Raymond:] er
[Hughes:] more, then I can give it to somebody else and whatever you know and...
[Raymond:] How are you, love?
[Hayley:] No, yes we have
[Raymond:] Don't let us down Hayley
[Hayley:] [LAUGHTER]
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[Raymond:] Ah it's all there, how's mum and dad?
[Hayley:] Oh they're fine
[Raymond:] Oh good, how's er Jane?
[Hayley:] Oh she's alright
[Raymond:] Karen's gone back now overseas?
[Hayley:] Yeah Karen's still in Canada
[Raymond:] Came over for their wedding didn't she, was it?
[Hayley:] Yeah she was also over at Christmas
[Raymond:] Oh I see, oh made a life there hasn't she?
[Hayley:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Ah? Yeah, I don't blame her, not much left here is there?
[Hayley:] No not really [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] How's you mum anyway? She's still baby minding?
[Hayley:] No, no, she's, Mark's at school now
[Raymond:] I used to see her
[Hayley:] so
[Raymond:] going round er by the little one
[Hayley:] Yes
[Raymond:] Ooh good grief, oh gee whiz
[Hayley:] I know he's five months and Jane's got two little ones now
[Raymond:] God, where does she live now? She was in
[Hayley:] She lives in
[Raymond:] That's right, yeah I think she does at
[Hayley:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Lose track we do
[Hayley:] I haven't seen them for a while
[Raymond:] Well I saw them at the, er round the corner at Mount Man Road, on that estate
[Hayley:] Oh yes
[Raymond:] with your hubby, you know when you were there one day?
[Hayley:] Yes
[Raymond:] But er, he was that busy he didn't see me [LAUGHTER] yeah
[Hayley:] Oh yeah, he was trying to get the bungalow finished so we can sell that down there
[Raymond:] Oh, oh. Well time marches on
[Hayley:] It does yeah. Yeah well anyway I'll see you again, bye
[Raymond:] Well anyway remember us to them won't you? Bye love, bye
[speaker004:] How many K did he say?
[Raymond:] I've no idea
[speaker004:] A thousand? I've forgotten what he said now, something like ten K or something was it?
[Raymond:] Yes
[speaker004:] Can I have this please?... thank you...
[Raymond:] [humming]
[speaker004:] Lovely, right
[Raymond:] OK thank you
[Margaret:] Can I have a couple of er chicken fillets please?
[speaker004:] Yeah...
[Margaret:] That's gonna be over a pound...
[speaker004:] Three eighty four
[Margaret:] Yes that'll do fine thanks, have you got any bones or bits for the dogs please?...
[speaker004:] There you are
[Margaret:] That's lovely, thanks very much
[speaker004:] Ta love
[Margaret:] I haven't got any smaller I'm afraid
[speaker004:] Alright love...
[Raymond:] Fixed up...
[Margaret:] It's that, nothing on there that makes the noise
[Raymond:] Mm I'm sure that holding it out like this one can do
[Margaret:] Yes, yes I know...
[speaker004:] Five love, fifteen for twenty
[Margaret:] Thanks very much
[speaker004:] OK thanks ta ra
[Margaret:] Been flat out this morning
[speaker004:] Yeah...
[Raymond:] Friday night's your worse I suppose and Saturday on Saturday
[speaker004:] Well no I don't work on the nights anyway, you know we're full time so full time just don't work nights
[Margaret:] Just take time out
[speaker004:] just the days, mm, well Thursday and Friday are terrible
[Margaret:] mm
[Raymond:] Yes I imagine
[speaker004:] never stop all day Thursday and Friday... we have a lull about lunch time on a Wednesday and Thursday and Friday but that's it, you know it's
[Margaret:] mm
[speaker004:] non stop all day.
[Raymond:] mm
[speaker004:] Seventeen seventy two please
[Margaret:] Oh forgive me love I didn't even look to see what it was
[speaker004:] Yes twenty, thank you...
[Raymond:] Good job you've got marvellous men at home, is it true ladies?
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER] Mine's a I couldn't live without him, he does my washing, my ironing
[Raymond:] Are you listening to this?
[Margaret:] Well trained
[speaker004:] and working as well
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] Oh yeah
[Margaret:] very good
[Raymond:] hang on to him, hang on to him
[speaker004:] I will, yeah.
[Raymond:] Alright Norm, I've got fixed up
[Norman:] Hello
[Raymond:] I thought I'd let you know, he's a handy chap that, the wood
[Norman:] Ooh er, down the
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Norman:] bank, I
[Raymond:] I thought he was gonna say no this guy but er, erm, what's his name? Steven
[Norman:] That's right Steven, that's Yobbie's lad
[Raymond:] he said er is it your own, what is our wood he said, what I said no, he said er
[Norman:] Sit down a minute...
[Raymond:] he said you know what is it and I showed him a piece like, he said oh I he said yes, I said I've taken the nails out that I didn't see, he said oh I've got a metal detector here
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] a proper one, hi Holly, alright love, so I went, left it and then I went called back last night after college and he said oh I haven't done it yet come on he said we'll whiz it on the band saw, put it on the band saw and he'd taken two nails out that you couldn't see you know the, the old stamped cast iron ones, the ends had snapped off
[Norman:] Yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] there inside the wood and he dug those out.
[Norman:] He found them before putting them through the saw?
[Raymond:] Oh I yeah, he got this, this er must of been a good metal detector you know
[Norman:] Ooh, I say
[Raymond:] Three pounds that was for doing four of those long lengths you know and, and a short one
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] which I hope might
[Norman:] just think, think of what it would of cost to get them boards and you wouldn't of got them as easy as that.
[Raymond:] No, well actually, he got a load, what was I gonna say, he got a load of old pine there you see
[Norman:] Yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] yellow pine, but they're all sizes, I said oh I said you've got some nice old pine, he said oh there's two guys come use it for furniture
[Norman:] Yeah, mm, mm
[Raymond:] two big firms, that's all he
[Norman:] ah well, we, we did er, that house we did in, in er Kingsley, well the other side of Kingsley by Northwich for er, he's the managing director of Tarmac for the North West Division and there he bought this house at Kingsley and er we added on to it on the kitchen was a complete wing that we built, a single storey and the roof spars had to show we had to put imitation
[Raymond:] Ah
[Norman:] pitch pine spars straight up to the purlin and the purlin had to be axed
[Raymond:] Exposed
[Norman:] just as he wanted them, there was real oldy-worldy and the kitchen furniture was made down at Buckfastely in Devon and that was all re-claim pine
[Raymond:] Mm
[Norman:] yellow pine and all that
[Raymond:] it's beautiful too
[Norman:] and there was even the worm holes in some of the wood
[Raymond:] Ha, ha
[Norman:] and that had to be there
[Raymond:] Oh yeah treat them you see, treat them worm holes
[Norman:] and he was never on his own doing it
[Hilary:] Well you know our old house was built with that wasn't it?
[Norman:] Yeah
[Hilary:] Peach pine, and when we took the porch down which had been up nearly a hundred years
[Norman:] Yeah, mm
[Hilary:] there was no rot
[Raymond:] No
[Hilary:] there was no rot in the windows, the old windows were a hundred years old
[Raymond:] well it's full of erm... full of resin you see and
[Norman:] the windows were perfect
[Raymond:] the woodworm don't seem to be too keen on it does he?
[Norman:] Oh there was a little tiny
[Raymond:] They're, the woodworm don't seem to be don't like the taste you see
[Hilary:] No
[Raymond:] oh it's too, they like sweet wood
[Hilary:] well those yeah, those bark you took out didn't you, out of the porch
[Raymond:] Mm
[Norman:] Yeah
[Hilary:] square box like, there wasn't a bit of it was a pity to take it down, but
[Norman:] six inch square oh like the Jacobean style er... the er...
[Hilary:] The black and white thing
[Raymond:] The frame work
[Norman:] yeah all the frame work was sixty six, all morticed and tenoned and dowelled and there were
[Raymond:] Marvellous ah
[Norman:] brick inset was all the brick and then plastered over and that gave the black and white effect, but that was the original and the, the proper way to do it
[Raymond:] all those years
[Norman:] I mean today they do, they plaster a wall and they
[Hilary:] Even the cellars got them
[Raymond:] oh yeah
[Hilary:] weren't they?
[Norman:] That's, that's and that's how it's done today
[Raymond:] Mm
[Hilary:] Even the trellis were dry
[Raymond:] but that's there's
[Norman:] over the they put pellets and even the pellets sticking out thinking that people but there's all sorts of ways of
[Raymond:] Oh I
[Hilary:] It was er well built that
[Raymond:] well this chap says there's er, oh he says how much is, he said oh he says, nine by one pound, pound a foot, I said good grief pound a foot, so I mean start talking about six by threes
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] remember he, he used to go with the
[Norman:] Steven's sister still keeps the pub in the village in
[Hilary:] yes
[Raymond:] Oh yes
[Norman:] oh aye they keep a pub and erm our Steve, I remember Steven, Steven's
[Hilary:] about
[Norman:] aye that's right
[Hilary:] Mm
[Norman:] I always remember working on the, on the pub I, I, I did a lot of work on there for them and er he got some panelling
[Hilary:] To all hours of the morning.
[Norman:] he got panelling from er a big hall outside St. Helen's and er, he built this big room onto the pub oh this is going back nineteen sixty one
[Hilary:] Yeah
[Norman:] isn't it?
[Hilary:] Yeah, yeah
[Norman:] Is it sixty one?
[Hilary:] Yeah
[Norman:] it's thirty, thirty one years ago he built this on and the country pub was just coming into the, you know, people were getting out in their cars and that, there was no breathalyser or anything and the could see the future in it, and he built this big room didn't he?
[Hilary:] Mm
[Norman:] And I
[Raymond:] Oh
[Norman:] panelled it all with er, with a
[Raymond:] a little bit of foresight wasn't it for those days?
[Hilary:] Mind you it's, it's a free house and that
[Norman:] Oh it's a free house
[Raymond:] Yes that's right
[Norman:] and wasn't worried then.
[Hilary:] What did he pay that for and the old post office he got them, it was cheap
[Norman:] He got the old post office and the two cottages and the pub for two thousand, eight hundred I think
[Raymond:] Oh god, mind you it is all relative isn't it?
[Norman:] Mind you that was in nineteen sixty
[Raymond:] Yeah, that's right I mean he
[Norman:] fifty nine, sixty isn't it?
[Hilary:] Yeah
[Norman:] Was it? Oh aye, but fifty eight, fifty nine
[Raymond:] It's still cheap really isn't it when you
[Hilary:] Oh that was cheap then
[Norman:] and how I could, we'd see him passing and he used to keep, he used to live in a li, like it was a farm place further on, Sand Mill Cafe, I don't know whether you've seen it along that road
[Raymond:] Oh I don't know
[Norman:] but anyhow it, well they, they were there and he bought the pub didn't he and they were moving on the Saturday and he came on the Saturday morning and he cried take the furniture to pieces, some of the furniture, the wardrobes and there was a dining room table that they couldn't get into the pub, could I dismantle them and re-assemble them again and that was the first time I'd ever met him weren't I?
[Hilary:] Mm
[Norman:] And do you know what it... every spare minute I had after, he was after me wasn't he? Can you do this for us, can you do that for us
[Margaret:] Can you come away from it?
[Norman:] and then he kept, he was on, will you come and work for me will you come, I was working for Holmes at the time
[Hilary:] Mm
[Norman:] wasn't I? And he had, he had me with making sheds, you know where the leader er printing place is now?
[Hilary:] In Mold?
[Norman:] Over Axton Road
[Raymond:] Oh yes
[Norman:] when you come out of Mold
[Raymond:] oh near the new what's
[Norman:] that's right, I, well had a yard there and an old building, that's where he had, that's where he operated from and he used to get all this second hand timber demolition timber from Liverpool and Berkenhead and all that and he reckoned then that for every hundred pound he spent on demolition he had a thousand pound back
[Raymond:] Cor ten times
[Norman:] taking it to the options
[Raymond:] that is
[Norman:] and that's how he made his money
[Raymond:] But have they always been able to machine it Norm I mean to my mind it's always been sort of, you know, you buy, whatever they are like for afters and that and that's how you use them to make your garden shed or whatever
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] whereas it looks as though, you know this chap, they found a way to make sure there's no metal in it and now the machine it
[Norman:] all that, that they went through though over the years I mean, all, all he did
[Raymond:] yeah must of done
[Norman:] was to get the second hand timber and, and he had a couple of lads off the dole in Mold there, knocking the nails well all he had to do
[Raymond:] De-nailing
[Norman:] was break the nails
[Raymond:] that's right, yeah
[Norman:] there were still nails left in but the farmers
[Raymond:] tab them all
[Norman:] went mad on it for
[Raymond:] yes
[Norman:] posts and
[Raymond:] that's right
[Norman:] er
[Raymond:] yeah, but that, that was the main usage
[Norman:] they had to share
[Raymond:] wasn't it?
[Norman:] yeah
[Raymond:] But you see now, the shortage of good timber
[Norman:] and then
[Raymond:] now they use them for furniture
[Norman:] now the best of the timber he had Gottonam Peters, the builders that were, I mean they were building a lot then and I'm going back now to the fifties and the sixties Gottonam Peters they'd done a lot of building in Upton in Chester and erm, developments er expect building sort of thing and er, they used to buy in all the three by twos and four by threes that he could get, the good ones second hand
[Hilary:] [whispering] Do you want a coffee []?
[Raymond:] No, I'd better get back Hilda
[Hilary:] Are you sure, you're welcome
[Raymond:] she's erm
[Norman:] they er
[Raymond:] put the kettle on there, I'll be in trouble
[Norman:] and they used to buy it all off him for studding
[Raymond:] Yes
[Norman:] because it was dry
[Raymond:] perfect
[Norman:] It was perfect
[Raymond:] it was perfect for that
[Norman:] they had no movement in the ceilings or the walls or any of the plasterboard
[Raymond:] Yes, yes
[Norman:] and all of, all of the good clean three be twos that he could find them that were season, they had, they, they took it all
[Raymond:] Mm
[Norman:] as much as you could have
[Hilary:] That panelling though that you took out of that hall was beautiful.
[Norman:] but that panelling, that hall panelling was beautiful, I
[Raymond:] Oh
[Hilary:] Pity those places came down wasn't it?
[Norman:] and it's a, to, to go up there now
[Raymond:] Shame
[Norman:] it's still there, I mean
[Raymond:] mm.
[Norman:] that room has still got the panelling in
[Hilary:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Well did you ever go, what did you say
[Hilary:] yeah
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] It's a terrible name for me, where did we go last week?
[Hilary:] Nantwich did you say?
[Raymond:] Nan, Nantwich
[Norman:] Oh
[Hilary:] In
[Norman:] oh
[Raymond:] Ah and the antique shops there
[Norman:] Oh, it's full of antiques, there's a lovely little town Nantwich
[Raymond:] there's one chap there erm... no he didn't say it is, er Adams, I said to him you got, you haven't got a place in Chester, that's another Adams, no, no he said there's no Chester, the stuff he had in one, he had a, an oak settle, sixteen something, now there's wood worm in that
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] but the shine on it
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] and it was just being polished by hand, you know, christ. Oh dear I'm in trouble now
[Margaret:] No I didn't
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[Raymond:] I'm in trouble now
[Hilary:] Come in Margaret
[Raymond:] I'm very sorry
[Norman:] [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] come in, don't knock the door
[Margaret:] I knew it
[Norman:] Come in
[Hilary:] [LAUGHTER] come in
[Margaret:] I was just saying get a move on cos we've got to go to Paul's
[Raymond:] Have you spoken to him?
[Margaret:] I haven't yet no, but I think he's outside mixing cement, we said we'd go and give him a hand to put his posts in
[Hilary:] Oh
[Margaret:] so, I come in quickly hoping that you've done
[Raymond:] We hope, hope
[speaker004:] I, I'm in a
[Raymond:] Hoping that you say it was raining and er
[Margaret:] Ooh, who's been painting? oh this look's nice doesn't it? I'm just trying to remember
[Raymond:] Have you done a, is this different Norm or
[Hilary:] I tell you, it's this wall
[Margaret:] that's right
[Norman:] This wall I put in, yeah
[Raymond:] Norman is this furniture
[Margaret:] Yes
[Norman:] That was there
[Raymond:] Is this furniture different is it?
[Hilary:] No
[Raymond:] No, I
[Hilary:] No, that was
[Norman:] That was over there
[Raymond:] Oh you took
[Norman:] that was over there on that wall
[Raymond:] You go into and lounge and it's just moved every couple of days isn't it?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] He's lucky, he says what have you done now?
[Hilary:] Me mother was like that, me dad said I don't know whether I'm coming home to the right house [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Oh
[Margaret:] He says I'm gonna fall over the blooming stuff if you keep mov it's nice so isn't it?
[Hilary:] We never get it right, oh it'll be nice when it's all done
[Margaret:] So, yours was like ours was really, that, you went straight through there into the kitchen didn't you?
[Hilary:] There was a little porch here, well you could never
[Norman:] That's
[Hilary:] do anything because I keep moving the chair
[Norman:] there was a hole there where that arch is, there was a little hole that
[Raymond:] That's right yeah a little entrance hall
[Hilary:] And the door was down there
[Norman:] there was a wall there wasn't it, coming down?
[Raymond:] That's right, yes, yes, going into the, going in the hall which is a terrible idea I think
[Hilary:] It's silly really isn't it? At least all the way through you know
[Raymond:] I couldn't believe it when I first saw it
[Hilary:] No
[Raymond:] I thought it
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Norman:] Had a doorway with it
[Margaret:] Yeah, it's in its
[Hilary:] We'll get straight some time
[Margaret:] It's much better
[Norman:] I've always wanted
[Raymond:] It's hard to imagine...
[Hilary:] It's been a hard couple of weeks with this bathroom, Norm's worked a couple of days, you know and in between of course they, put just a shower and a proper shower
[Norman:] Perhaps, when we were looking at bungalows, other than the descriptions of them and the pamphlets and they say ooh
[Raymond:] Oh what have they, what's he done in there?
[Margaret:] They say and in a hall which
[Norman:] and we came to look at this one and it had got an inner hall and in the position was
[Hilary:] so he's had to move all the, the pipework and everything
[Raymond:] Yes, oh yes
[Hilary:] which is a big job
[Raymond:] Yes, that is
[Hilary:] We're on the fiddly bits now, finish nearly grouting and
[Margaret:] Yes, yes
[Raymond:] Now did you say you've got the same trouble as us with the conden,condensa
[Hilary:] Still got condensation
[Margaret:] That's right yeah
[Hilary:] even with the new system
[Raymond:] Have to try and get, to get one of these trays I think and try that
[Margaret:] Yes, yeah, well we do I mean well we had to take our chimney down
[Raymond:] oh
[Norman:] and then you see we only want one bad and then eventually that'll be like a little sitting room
[Margaret:] oh so you
[Raymond:] no ours is a, no ours is a, we had, ours only three years old, so er, yours actually
[Hilary:] It sits pretty well
[Raymond:] Oh no, we've got a space under ours
[Margaret:] And then it gets the sun at the back, you know
[Raymond:] it's not a modern one yeah, yes
[Hilary:] It means there's only those two little bits at the side
[Margaret:] What have you got on oh that's better
[Hilary:] of the system
[Raymond:] Yes that's right
[Hilary:] that's strip it now, so erm
[Raymond:] Oh I see, yes, oh that's better than really
[Hilary:] it is better
[Raymond:] we've got the hall underneath of ours
[Hilary:] Will you stop it
[Raymond:] I have asked a couple of guys at the college you know and one fellow said the tray, oh he said, you can buy this tray from a builders, oh he said you can make a, a cover and I said oh god, make it the same colour as the mat and the er
[Hilary:] This is it, this is it, I suppose if we could surround it in wood or
[Raymond:] the damage
[Hilary:] polystyrene or something, but then it looks ugly doesn't it?
[Raymond:] Oh I would of thought so
[Hilary:] Yeah
[Raymond:] bloody awful
[Hilary:] put a shower we have, gone
[Raymond:] ours, you can smell ours in here, I mean you can smell
[Hilary:] It's rotten isn't it?
[Raymond:] sometimes you know damp
[Hilary:] Mm, mm
[Raymond:] and that's all it is
[Hilary:] Well ours was loose, pipe was loose
[Raymond:] Ah what's going on here?
[Hilary:] alright, oh we've gotta change the door
[Norman:] Yeah the door's gonna open this way
[Hilary:] gonna open the other way round then go into the airing cupboard
[Raymond:] Oh you see, no
[Margaret:] Oh I see yes
[Raymond:] see their toilet
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] it's co, it sits on there
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] but you still
[Margaret:] yeah
[Hilary:] get it other sides
[Raymond:] ours doesn't, ours, you can get your hand right underneath ours
[Margaret:] with got the pipe, that's right, yeah
[Raymond:] not an old fashioned one
[Margaret:] I wonder if that's why
[Raymond:] but the diff, there are two different types aren't they Norm?
[Norman:] Are they?
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Oh yeah he said
[Margaret:] you still get the condensation
[Raymond:] you'd have to see
[Norman:] Oh we still get the condensation
[Margaret:] and the floor at the back is er
[Norman:] Yeah still there
[Raymond:] Oh yours is a, I, but, how's the, of course we've got skirting board in ours
[Margaret:] Mind you don't forget it depends how many times you flush as soon as you put
[Raymond:] and it's, it's
[Margaret:] cold water rushes in again
[Norman:] I, I, I
[Raymond:] Oh that's nice
[Hilary:] Right
[Margaret:] once the room, once the water's got to the temperature of the room if you're not using the loo
[Hilary:] That's right
[Raymond:] Oh so you've got no bath now
[Norman:] No, no bath
[Raymond:] you'll have to have one in the sink
[Margaret:] that's, that's nice though isn't it?
[Hilary:] we couldn't lift our leg to get in the bath [LAUGHTER]
[Norman:] [LAUGHTER] But they're, but they're had a toilet too close to the house you see, so
[Hilary:] Ah that's a point now it might pull
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Norman:] so
[Hilary:] especially what he says
[Margaret:] yeah, yeah
[Norman:] that's the thing
[Margaret:] that's a good idea
[Raymond:] It looks nice there Norm we had one similar to this didn't we?
[Margaret:] Well in the other house we had, we had like an airing cupboard here and we took that out and had a shower where the airing cupboard was and we would of had
[Raymond:] But we had
[Hilary:] well we would of put a bath and a shower, but there isn't room
[Raymond:] we had enough room didn't we for them both
[Hilary:] We tossed, we ummed and ahhed, but anyway that's what we
[Margaret:] Yes, yeah
[Hilary:] ended up with
[Margaret:] it's better to have this hall accessed though isn't it?
[Hilary:] Oh yes
[Margaret:] To all the rooms
[Norman:] Ah definitely
[Margaret:] I mean ours is only very, very narrow but er
[Raymond:] Terrible idea actually
[Hilary:] Mm
[Margaret:] but at least you can get
[Norman:] never liked it, never liked it
[Margaret:] cos somebody's in the lounge and you want to take, somebody comes to the kitchen you can
[Hilary:] And that back door is where we get all the cold
[Margaret:] That's right blows this way doesn't it?
[Hilary:] but we get away with that sometimes
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] cos we've got access at
[Margaret:] yes that's right
[Norman:] of course the wind is a bit isn't it?
[Margaret:] It's much better that though isn't it?
[Hilary:] Yes
[Margaret:] It's a much better idea, I mean ours
[Norman:] Yeah
[Margaret:] the
[Hilary:] Every meal for instance
[Margaret:] Well if we've been on a drive like you are
[Norman:] Yeah
[Margaret:] opposite I, I think we would have
[Raymond:] it's a better idea though isn't it
[Margaret:] because you feel as though you
[Norman:] Oh yeah, yeah
[Margaret:] you're exposed up to there always don't you?
[Norman:] [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] You're forever closing the blind or the curtains
[Margaret:] Yeah, yeah, I know that's it
[Hilary:] Well all they can see is the top of my head so I'm alright
[Margaret:] that's all you need though isn't it?
[Norman:] And then, and then, me workshop's up here
[Margaret:] Oh gosh, I mean, well you can, you can stand up and use the
[Raymond:] can't you?
[Norman:] Well you see, the thing is when, with that there
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Norman:] and that wall there I can put all the weight I want down the middle
[Margaret:] That's right, yeah
[Raymond:] I, that's an i, oh there's the two walls you see
[Margaret:] cos there's the two walls, yeah
[Raymond:] yeah that's right
[Norman:] cos they're, they're, they're taking the weight
[Raymond:] cos normally the, normal the joist aren't strong enough are they?
[Margaret:] did you do a brick wall here or
[Norman:] This is brick but that's stud wall
[Margaret:] That's stud wall, yeah ours is a stud wall at the bottom
[Norman:] but they're just as strong you see, the, the
[Raymond:] well it doesn't, see it makes any difference yeah you've gotta
[Norman:] Yeah, no, no difference
[Margaret:] Oh I
[Hilary:] Smaller if anything
[Margaret:] just you've got a window there
[Hilary:] we did have a light yes
[Margaret:] Yes that's a good idea
[Raymond:] Let the light in, that's an idea yeah
[Margaret:] Yeah good idea that Norm yes, yeah
[Hilary:] It does help and he twisted it so that you can put your ornaments there and there you see
[Margaret:] Yes, oh he's inventor and all
[Raymond:] oh it's easier innit, to get to the room?
[Norman:] Pardon?
[Raymond:] It's so much easier
[Norman:] Oh I like, I like it
[Margaret:] Well that's right, I mean you get it to
[Raymond:] I'm surprised Geoff hasn't told you this over the years
[Norman:] Yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] it's er, there you are I suppose
[Margaret:] Oh yes, do you ever look in that chap down opposite the er, the Downs, well it'll be the Downs
[Raymond:] see some guys would have to get somebody in to do the lot wouldn't they?
[Norman:] That's right
[Hilary:] Oh yeah
[Raymond:] Not everyone can knock a wall out or turn their hand to it
[Norman:] No, no.
[Raymond:] I'll have a go, it doesn't, I don't say I do it right, but I'll have a go
[Norman:] Well as you say
[Margaret:] so
[Hilary:] I remember that as a girl
[Raymond:] that's handy that isn't Norm, yeah, have this for a den
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] and know it
[Norman:] once when they come up here I had to fetch the telly out the bedroom you know
[Raymond:] Oh I that's nice, yeah
[Norman:] and er, we had to set it up here and we sit here watching the telly and they'd sit here for hours
[Raymond:] Ooh I'd love that kids
[Norman:] and er when it's time to go home I say let's get going, there's nobody here, [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Norman:] they'd stop all night I think if they could, so
[Hilary:] Mm, that's right
[Raymond:] It's like the little one said last, she said, can we come and stay here for the weekend you know, and stay up in Aunty Bonnie's room, they call upstairs, and Margaret's face she said, well er, my god she's got some good stuff up there you know, furniture
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] but er, they wouldn't do any harm like
[Norman:] No
[Raymond:] I suppose
[Norman:] No, I think our two, they'll, they'll stop eventually once they get a bit, a bit older. Michael's still a little bit small, well he's coming up to four now in May, so, but er
[Raymond:] But the first thing they do is put the video on, they know how to work it and everything
[Norman:] Oh they do, yeah, when we go down er, er down to Alan's they, David he's got it all
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Norman:] and Michael is coming, he's, he's watching what David's doing and he's following suit now and he's only four.
[Raymond:] Got this video game now, they know how to work all these
[Norman:] Yeah, oh I
[Raymond:] and I can't stand the noise me, I hear it going beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep
[Norman:] Yeah, yeah, oh I
[Raymond:] Yeah, you've got to have the interest ain't you Norman?
[Norman:] Of course you see they're growing up with them sort of things, we
[Raymond:] That's all they know
[Norman:] we, we er, we had to make it up
[Raymond:] me, I, I got, I took me old three put out the other day and... so they said got your got the college ones you know
[Norman:] I
[Raymond:] about ten now and they're all in this white ones are metric, she said what the hell's this she said, I mean I've had it thirty four, five years something like that, forty years
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] what the bloody hell's this she said? I said they're feet and inches, what do you want, oh, oh he said er [LAUGHTER], he's a fellow, he's a fellow of about thirty you know
[Norman:] The one I've got is er, is like, they call it a bilingual it's, it's metric and
[Raymond:] Yeah you can, yeah, but I think me in inches I know it's a
[Norman:] Oh I do, I do and my mates is on er, of course they've been brought up with the metric system you see and he's
[Raymond:] Yeah, I'm not interested in it, it's stupid really, cos it's easy
[Norman:] say er seven sixty and I er, I er have to think now
[Raymond:] Oh, it seems as
[Norman:] come again in my landing
[Raymond:] it seems a hell of a lot long way to me
[Norman:] Yeah, and of course they say it's easier, but if you've been brought up with it, well yes it's dead easier
[Raymond:] What you show for?
[Margaret:] Your photograph
[Hilary:] He lives on the common
[Raymond:] Oh I've seen this one, this is er, this is er Ame's is here
[Margaret:] Ame's is about there
[Hilary:] yes
[Margaret:] yes
[Hilary:] and there
[Raymond:] post office there's a cosy cafe somewhere
[Hilary:] that's cosy cafe
[Margaret:] that's it, yeah
[Hilary:] and doctor Colliers was here
[Raymond:] this is the post office
[Hilary:] the house, that's the hedge
[Raymond:] all this has gone now
[Hilary:] Yes
[Margaret:] That's where the Midland Bank is there isn't it?
[Hilary:] and on the corner here is this road, where you go park road there, they used to have a place where they killed pigs and made black puddings in the middle of main street
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] you can imagine and the, there was the moth, was the
[Margaret:] I was too quite in those days
[Hilary:] mother and she only had the one daughter and the daughter got married and oh she had about oh ten or eleven children and they're all running round in this back yard
[Margaret:] Oh
[Hilary:] I can remember about
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] like chickens
[Raymond:] Well can
[Hilary:] imagine fancying the black pudding
[Margaret:] oh my god
[Raymond:] they had a shop here one time
[Hilary:] There
[Raymond:] Ken's uncle
[Norman:] Who's that?
[Raymond:] was it, had a shop
[Hilary:] on the end
[Margaret:] yes, I wasn't going to say anything, who he is
[Hilary:] I wasn't sure whether it was that one, was it Griffiths their name or
[Raymond:] Oh dear
[Margaret:] What was his step dad's name?
[Hilary:] and then you, you know Colin that was the mayor
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] well, there was, after this there was a row of houses with a little shop on the end and her mother kept that shop, Colin his wife, Romana is it?
[Margaret:] Romana
[Raymond:] Romana
[Hilary:] I her mother had the shop
[Raymond:] misery
[Hilary:] oh cheerful, well his, his father was a step brother to my dad and do you know, how on earth we're related I'll never know
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] cos she's the biggest toryism
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Oh aye Colin's the same
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] but his dad wasn't old John wasn't
[Norman:] Wasn't he really?
[Hilary:] Oh no
[Norman:] No
[Margaret:] Isn't it funny?
[Hilary:] He was a miner in Staunch
[Raymond:] Bloody hell
[Hilary:] and he had all the boys pretty well turned out like that, cos that's another brother who used to come with the mail with the wooden hand
[Raymond:] Oh yes Jo er
[Margaret:] Oh I know
[Hilary:] that's Colin's brother
[Raymond:] postman
[Margaret:] that's right, yes
[Raymond:] postman isn't he?
[Hilary:] That's right, yes
[Raymond:] Erm
[Margaret:] he used to have a hook didn't he?
[Hilary:] Yes the father was a very queer
[Raymond:] Victoria Avenue
[Hilary:] old, oh is, liked his drink, always drunk, you know, when I remembered him, didn't see that much of him, but erm, how Colin never turned like that I never know
[Margaret:] Mm, mm no accounting for
[Raymond:] Mind you he's a bit of a capitalist now
[Hilary:] Oh I know
[Raymond:] sold, sold that land and er well I don't say
[Hilary:] it was, it was Romana's mum and dad, I think they owned that row of houses and the shop
[Margaret:] Oh yes
[Raymond:] Oh, ah
[Hilary:] and they sold that and they bought that house between them Romana's mum and dad
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] So
[Hilary:] and Romana's the only child
[Margaret:] Oh I see
[Hilary:] so Colin and Romana went in with them
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] so they were left all that
[Margaret:] They inherited it
[Raymond:] With the money
[Hilary:] oh yes
[Raymond:] and then again on the Council
[Hilary:] Oh they think they're it don't they?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Mind you that shouldn't make
[Hilary:] I've never liked him
[Norman:] They were handy for the Conservative club there
[Margaret:] Well that's right, yes
[Hilary:] just down the road isn't it?
[Raymond:] Peter, Peter's another Peter
[Norman:] What fifty yards, they'd have to walk
[Raymond:] is another one isn't he?
[Hilary:] Who's that?
[Margaret:] Peter
[Raymond:] He's, he's a big name
[Hilary:] Oh yes
[Raymond:] isn't he?
[Hilary:] yes
[Raymond:] But he's moaning to me the other week about you know, er and I bloody near said to him, well er, things have come back on you know, but I should of
[Hilary:] Is he the one who's dad had the electrical shop?
[Margaret:] That's right, yeah
[Hilary:] Oh
[Margaret:] Robert's it is now isn't it? He's taken over
[Raymond:] But er saying about the system, the pressure and that you know I don't believe a bloody thing
[Hilary:] Doesn't he drink a lot? Is he the one who drinks or is it his brother?
[Raymond:] Oh I don't know about this
[Hilary:] There's one that's practically alcoholic
[Raymond:] Is he, oh
[Margaret:] Well I don't think it would be
[Raymond:] I don't know
[Norman:] That's what we must
[Raymond:] I think that
[Norman:] I think they put that that er
[Raymond:] why Dennis, Dennis is the one isn't he?
[Hilary:] Dennis is the one isn't it that drinks a lot?
[Raymond:] Cos he's the one that split up with his wife whom I believe
[Hilary:] Yes, he's the one, Peter's the young one isn't he?
[Margaret:] That's right, yes
[Hilary:] He used to come after me for music lesson every week, I can always
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] remember as I was coming out, he was going in
[Margaret:] Well his son Charlie was a great mate of our Rob's
[Raymond:] Of our Rob's
[Hilary:] Oh yes
[Margaret:] as well
[Raymond:] yeah who was a bit of a tearaway
[Hilary:] well Mrs used to teach his music, she lived on the common at one time in one of those houses by Colin
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] er, er, her son was a teacher up at the school Ivor
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] Oh yes yes, yes
[Hilary:] and his brother got in trouble through embezzlement didn't he? He embezzled the bank
[Margaret:] That's right, yeah
[Hilary:] Me dad always said he
[Raymond:] Pat used to tell us about it
[Margaret:] yes I remember, that was years ago
[Hilary:] Well his dad always said he got off
[Raymond:] he was a pianist wasn't he was, he was, he used to play in the what's a name
[Margaret:] The masonic
[Raymond:] No the school
[Hilary:] His old, Ivor's older brother
[Raymond:] When we first went to the concerts
[Hilary:] That's right
[Raymond:] it was always him
[Margaret:] Was that him was it?
[Norman:] Rosy cheeks
[Hilary:] Yes
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] Dark, well he hasn't got dark hair now
[Margaret:] obviously I can remember that now
[Raymond:] I had dark hair then
[Margaret:] Yes, we all had dark hair then [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] Now look at it [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Was that a traction engine there? Norman
[Hilary:] It is
[Norman:] That'll be one of the old
[Hilary:] no I think it's, it's one of old Jenkinson's bosses
[Raymond:] A steam roller
[Margaret:] Is it? I was gonna say it looks like a bus
[Hilary:] Yes
[Raymond:] Is it?
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] Yes, you know Jenkinson's up at the cross
[Margaret:] I haven't got my proper glasses on
[Raymond:] Steam bus?
[Norman:] Oh yeah, I and
[Hilary:] Yes
[Raymond:] Bloody hell
[Hilary:] you're not
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Oh yeah
[Hilary:] You know Jenkinson's up at the cross?
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] Well his father used to have the, the garage as you turn into Patrons Road
[Raymond:] No I think it's about nineteen hundred that one
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] there's a little garage by the, by the chapel there
[Norman:] is it?
[Margaret:] Mm, that's right yeah, on the left
[Norman:] Yes that's right, it could be because those steamers they, I
[Hilary:] well his father owned that fo, for years and it Phil had the shop, and then
[Raymond:] Don't know that they did any, Victorian
[Hilary:] they ran the buses from Mold to Buckley
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] and down to the station, used to come from the, from the station
[Margaret:] Mm Buckley station
[Hilary:] right up through Buckley
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] and it was er a penny each way from across to Mold and when he sold out to Crosswell, old Jenkins stipulated that for so many years they had to keep penny each way
[Margaret:] Keep the penny safe
[Hilary:] and we had the cheapest fares for many years because of that
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] Oh he was a funny old chap, he was erm, very religious family they were, quite a, a couple of them went to be ministers, they were a big family
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] but erm
[Raymond:] Look at these lads here
[Margaret:] So they
[Hilary:] you know with the cams
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Norman:] Working down the ruddy mines
[Raymond:] Oh I
[Hilary:] the tea cam, yeah all the
[Raymond:] ooh
[Hilary:] brick yards
[Margaret:] all the brick, yeah, well er, it was er mostly brick yard round then wasn't it?
[Norman:] You see there on the common there, there was a colliery wasn't there?
[Hilary:] Yeah
[Margaret:] That's right, yeah yes, in fact when we were moving up here from er, from Warwickshire, they er
[Raymond:] Many years ago oh it was cosy
[Norman:] Oh yeah
[Margaret:] they, they er, the building society which was the insurance company wasn't it that we had the mortgage through? And they, they asked us about mines in the area and we said mines
[Raymond:] Oh about mines in the, yeah, oh yeah
[Margaret:] didn't know there'd be mining up here, you know
[Hilary:] No, no
[Margaret:] and er, anyway we checked with the er solicitor
[Raymond:] It must of been a
[Margaret:] and he said oh you know about that, all was in
[Raymond:] I think
[Norman:] Yeah
[Hilary:] This is it
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] Well we used to play on what we call the Bonks, down erm... bet, you know Becketts Lane?
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] Well from Becketts Lane you go down there
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] go, er along a lane and then what we, what we called the Bonks were there, they were the old er workings
[Margaret:] Where they'd tipped the waste was it?
[Hilary:] Yes
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] which had grown over with grass
[Margaret:] Ah, yeah
[Hilary:] and there were about three of them and I know they had shafts and me mother used to say keep away from those shafts
[Margaret:] Yes
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Hilary:] because they weren't even fenced properly
[Raymond:] Oh no
[Margaret:] Mm and there's still
[Hilary:] and I'd still be there
[Margaret:] there's still one down at the plantation, you know er
[Hilary:] Yes down Drury
[Margaret:] Yes
[Hilary:] Mm
[Margaret:] which, well it was haven't been there for many years
[Hilary:] down the Gooedy
[Margaret:] The what?
[Hilary:] Why the Gooedy, that path down there was always known as the Gooedy
[Raymond:] The Gooedy, that's
[Hilary:] Funny people there are
[Margaret:] And the Scotsman said that [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] I don't know
[Raymond:] That's er Buckley is it, Buckley talk that is, yeah, yeah, yeah
[Hilary:] Well, but you know, they have nicknames, the Buckley people always erm, you know there was one live by us called Dirty Joe and another Mucky Robin and you know, we just cheek me, and I said to me mum one day why was that? Well she said they used to pass each other on the way to, going to work and er, one would say it's dirty this morning Joe aye it, it mucky Robin
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[Hilary:] and that's how we got it, the names you know and there was another one now, where
[Raymond:] That's a cracker
[Hilary:] erm Sam Sodding, and it used to, but I used to say to mother why did they call him Sam Sodding? Oh I can't tell you that I wouldn't never discuss things like that, until I got about twenty five, you know neighbours or not, and I said why did they call him? Well she said they got married and the baby came that night and he went about town now by god he came sodding [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Oh, aye, that's a cracker that one, I like that.
[Hilary:] how you get a name, isn't it, you know, really laugh about it.
[Raymond:] A miracle baby
[Hilary:] [LAUGHTER] Yes, that's right oh dear
[Margaret:] Oh dear well you've certainly made a nice job of it here anyway.
[Hilary:] Well it'll come Margaret
[Margaret:] You, I think you've got over the erm, the dusty bit of it now.
[Hilary:] Well this is it
[Margaret:] You're sort of getting it a bit more
[Hilary:] this is it
[Margaret:] liveable
[Norman:] Yeah
[Hilary:] The last couple of weeks has been dust everywhere
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] but it's coming on
[Margaret:] once, well you know, once you're knocking walls out, it's, it's mucky
[Hilary:] Oh the
[Norman:] oh
[Margaret:] all over the house, you can't keep it
[Hilary:] Well I said to him if we have any more
[Margaret:] in one spot
[Hilary:] walls, he was knocking to do them pipes, I said if we have any more holes in that wall, I said we'd be completely with
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Norman:] I was, what I was afraid of, we'd end up with a house on, on, on a tilt
[Margaret:] On a tilt
[Norman:] [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] He was knocking holes here, he was knocking holes there
[Margaret:] Oh dear
[Hilary:] and it's not his favourite job is holes
[Raymond:] Er, I'll tell you what it's had a right old hammering since you've been here, no?
[Hilary:] Oh yeah
[Margaret:] Oh ours was like that, you know, I used to feel quite a shame
[Raymond:] Oh, ours was worse
[Margaret:] because for eighteen months I mean there was this sledgehammer and all you could hear was boom, boom
[Norman:] I like, I like
[Margaret:] and he was knocking walls out
[Raymond:] Do you wanna finish her off, bring a
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Don't be horrible you
[Hilary:] She'd eat it, wouldn't she you know?
[Raymond:] She must
[Margaret:] I often thought what the neighbours that and, you know, and Mrs who used to lived here then
[Hilary:] Yes, yes
[Margaret:] I mean, I bet she
[Raymond:] That's what we said
[Margaret:] was chomping away trying to listen to it
[Hilary:] Well as soon as you came to put the shed up
[Raymond:] the dust
[Hilary:] that was the first time we had an inkling there was anything, and that was the Sunday before we moved and he said do you mind if I come and bring the shed up and then I can stop in there and I go and have, a, anyway, he came with Alan and she made you a cup of coffee didn't she?
[Norman:] Aye, Alan met me here
[Hilary:] That's right, made a cup of coffee and that and then, he was, just came back and she said you haven't finished, he said yes, she said I didn't hear you knocking, oh no he said, well I built it all, you know, it's all ready made and I built it ready for the bolts and, oh I thought you would of been knocking, I've got some knocking here you know
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] I told you didn't I
[Hilary:] That was the first inkling we'd ever had
[Raymond:] Did she have her cloth in her hand, did she?
[Norman:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Always like this, ready to wipe something
[Margaret:] Oh dear
[Hilary:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] I was apologising for the noise wasn't I?
[Hilary:] Blokes stand still or she'll have you
[Margaret:] Oh god, yeah
[Raymond:] with a broom, broom in her hand
[Margaret:] yes, she was
[Raymond:] you know
[Margaret:] yeah well I'm
[Hilary:] That'll be all
[Margaret:] I said you haven't polished that grot iron fence out there have you?
[Raymond:] No, no, she flipped
[Hilary:] No, no she's painted it instead so
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] I painted wash colour, so when the was comes through you can't see it
[Margaret:] you won't be able to tell the difference [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] If we'd known we would of said a few things
[Margaret:] A method in your madness isn't it?
[Hilary:] It is, yes I got a surprise
[Raymond:] I tell you what though, I must say there's less water here since, she's, she's left in the garden because it used to lay here didn't it?
[Margaret:] Yeah, it seemed to be very wet over this side
[Raymond:] ooh terrible all the time bailing out
[Margaret:] Well listen, get, go, go what's the name of that place?
[Raymond:] Well he knows
[Hilary:] Cuckoo's nest
[Norman:] Oh cuckoo's nest
[Raymond:] Cuckoo's nest, yeah that's the place
[Hilary:] We'll have a look around
[Margaret:] We bought some after we had laid out for most of ours
[Raymond:] Cheaper than anywhere Norm
[Margaret:] we find, we found out about that place and it was, it was a third cheaper you know
[Raymond:] We spent, it cost us double and we, then it was the same thing, same place, they were getting selling it to us weren't they?
[Margaret:] Selling to us
[Hilary:] If we get this front here partly here done
[Margaret:] for another fifty pence per slab
[Hilary:] it'll be a lot easier
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] and just do a bed in the corner I thought
[Norman:] Well I thought if I can pave this front here
[Margaret:] Mm
[Norman:] I can go into the second hand car business then, I can go all the way down
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Caravans Norm
[Norman:] with the tickets on
[Raymond:] caravans or something
[Hilary:] Caravans
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Yeah get a couple of
[Norman:] No they're too high they
[Raymond:] a couple of gearboxes on the lawn you know and the go that's what you want
[Norman:] That's all I always wanted to do in the lodge with a, with a little field at the side and all, I wanted to get a load of cars and dismantle them
[Margaret:] Have your own little yard
[Norman:] but er, I'd of had
[Raymond:] That was terrible that Norm, there was one, there was one in North Street when I was doing that bit of collecting you know, and the people next, either side they'd bought these council houses, you know, it's a shame really and these
[Margaret:] I, I, went, erm I tried to phone Paul
[Raymond:] Got to get back to Paul
[Margaret:] I tried to phone Paul, so I've got to go and ring him
[Raymond:] an old car there in bits and then an engine in one corner
[Hilary:] it is
[Raymond:] gearbox, bolts
[Hilary:] he wants to clean them up, he's got a bit of acid, I'll clean them up
[Margaret:] Yeah, and you had the old bricks
[Hilary:] We had the old bricks from our chimney
[Norman:] They came out where I'd put the old door on the, you see where I've put the door here
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[Raymond:] One thing about it is you get plenty of fresh air here don't you?
[Hilary:] Lovely, lovely
[Raymond:] I mean it's nice now
[Hilary:] Oh aye
[Raymond:] yeah
[Hilary:] I don't like still weather me
[Raymond:] No
[Hilary:] I don't like it too windy, I don't like wind and rain together
[Raymond:] No, but
[Hilary:] but a nice gentle wind I love
[Raymond:] I always say if you're well you can face anything
[Hilary:] Oh of course you can
[Raymond:] if you feel rotten
[Hilary:] my mother always, I used to say to her was I born in a gale, cos she could never get me in if the wind was blowing
[Raymond:] Aye, yes
[Hilary:] and I do like wind, I don't like still weather
[Raymond:] I don't like wind, windy and wet if you're out, cos you can get really cold
[Hilary:] No, two together like last week
[Raymond:] chilled, yeah
[Hilary:] terrible, I couldn't open the door even to ask Geoff how Mary was [LAUGHTER] cos
[Raymond:] No
[Hilary:] it was blowing straight in here with the other one
[Raymond:] I used to hate that when I was collecting
[Hilary:] Mm
[Raymond:] you know and you'd stand on the doors then, ooh, you'd be really chilled and some of them opened the door an inch
[Hilary:] I know, and once you get wet isn't it?
[Raymond:] Oh yes, you can't get warm then
[Hilary:] Oh you can't
[Raymond:] Kelly keeps you jangling, is it Jessie, no, Arthur's wife?
[Hilary:] Oh
[Raymond:] Oh is it Jessie?
[Hilary:] terrible isn't she?
[Raymond:] Is it Jessie?
[Hilary:] I don't know her name you know
[Raymond:] She's from Liverpool
[Hilary:] Yes she keep, goes on and do you know three times a day that poor dog walks
[Raymond:] I know
[Hilary:] every day
[Raymond:] Well she waits me sometimes go over the field and
[Hilary:] I said to... try it
[Raymond:] town
[Hilary:] we're only just off the main road
[Raymond:] Mm
[Hilary:] and er it was handy for the school, like it was only five, ten minutes at the most
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Hilary:] to walk to the school
[Raymond:] That's right
[Hilary:] so it's
[Margaret:] Well think about it for a long time
[Raymond:] Then you gotta er, think about getting to the post office
[Hilary:] It's a heck of a place isn't it Margaret?
[Raymond:] It can be done on the cheap Norm definitely
[Norman:] Ah?
[Raymond:] have to be done on the cheap
[Margaret:] Have to get some cheap timber and er
[Hilary:] It will
[Norman:] Mine will have to be a lot cheaper than that
[Margaret:] Huh, ours will have to be even
[Norman:] I shut, I shut a limit at three hundred and fifty
[Raymond:] Or get plastic one, plastic sheeting
[Norman:] That'll have to be for the sheets
[Margaret:] Yeah, yeah
[Norman:] I've got everything else now
[Raymond:] Of course
[Margaret:] Have you? Oh well you're
[Raymond:] that roofing's quite expensive isn't it?
[Norman:] That is eighty pound a sheet
[Margaret:] Yeah, yeah well Robin's cost him about four hundred pounds
[Hilary:] Our old neigh, our old neighbour has these
[Norman:] yeah
[Hilary:] patio doors, what were they?
[Margaret:] Oh they like the louvre?
[Raymond:] No patio doors
[Hilary:] No
[Margaret:] Oh
[Hilary:] big
[Norman:] Oh aluminium doors they are
[Hilary:] Yes and he, he said to Norman do you want these, he bought them for somewhere for the house
[Norman:] No he hadn't, he, they took a house down and demolished the house
[Hilary:] That was it
[Norman:] inside of Liverpool
[Raymond:] Oh they took those out, yeah
[Norman:] and his mate had one and he had the other one and he said I'll never be able to use them he said and they're in the way, can you do anything with them? So
[Hilary:] So they'll do alright won't they?
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] For a conservatory
[Margaret:] Mm
[Hilary:] you know?
[Norman:] Yeah
[Margaret:] So what are you gonna do when you run out of jobs Norman?
[Norman:] Er, then I'm gonna, them I'm gonna buy me caravanette
[Margaret:] Your caravan and do the tours
[Raymond:] Go touring then
[Margaret:] round the country
[Norman:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Yes
[Norman:] always
[Hilary:] Would you like that?
[Norman:] Yes
[Margaret:] It's a good idea that. There's so many places to see in this country and if the country
[Hilary:] If you've got enough money left after finish all this
[Margaret:] Well yes, yes, that's a small consideration
[Hilary:] He goes for the plastic
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Norman:] Well I keep trying the pools every week, they might just
[Raymond:] Oh, ah, it's our turn
[Norman:] Just click at the right time
[Raymond:] it's our turn to win now
[Norman:] [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] Never won an argument
[Norman:] I've been waiting for forty years for it
[Margaret:] Yeah yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] You ran it for so long and then
[Hilary:] He's had it two years, but
[Raymond:] Oh two years oh yeah, yeah
[Hilary:] what's happening
[Raymond:] Oh yes, yes
[Hilary:] in er
[Raymond:] oh yes
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] problems and they're upping them all so he thought well I'll get out while the going's good
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] so I put it in the paper and luckily somebody came along
[Margaret:] Yes
[Raymond:] Got a good price, good
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] Anyway he, he has to keep changing for his work because they get a, a mileage allowance with the council
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Hilary:] and they've got to keep them up to scratch
[Raymond:] It doesn't pay to keep them er, for a long time
[Hilary:] No
[Raymond:] but he's still doing the raffles?
[Hilary:] Oh try anything
[Raymond:] Get another one?
[Hilary:] try anything I will
[Norman:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah, oh aye, yeah
[Hilary:] yeah, but he was here the other Sunday and he, he, they were, he, he was reading my paper and he come back and he the following Sunday he said you haven't got last Sunday's paper mum, I said I don't know I might, oh I think I threw it out, anyway just happened to find it, it was something he read of some woman that were meddling on the pools and the, the, what she'd used, you know and the
[Margaret:] Method
[Hilary:] way she
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] done it, she said I was reading it here and I meant to ask you for the, she said, anyway when he come back I said have you found them out, alright, he said I've had a go he said
[Raymond:] it's just your luck though isn't it?
[Hilary:] you get so many more lines on this or something, it's just your luck
[Raymond:] There's thousands of people do it every week
[Hilary:] I've used the same numbers for years
[Margaret:] I just put the numbers I like down and I don't know anything about football
[Norman:] We've done the same numbers every week
[Hilary:] It's either the one above or the one below
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Norman:] The er
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Hilary:] He does all the fives and I do
[Raymond:] well if we hear, if we hear a terrible scream one weekend, we'll know it's happened
[Hilary:] You will yeah
[Norman:] [LAUGHTER]
[Hilary:] we'll be off
[Margaret:] We'll come round with the for you
[Raymond:] Well we'll see you folks, cheerio
[Margaret:] Cheerio
[Hilary:] Bye
[Raymond:] So have you got enough stuff have you Paul enough sand?
[Paul:] Just about, yeah, just, just about
[Raymond:] Oh
[Paul:] got three more holes to fill so
[Raymond:] Oh alright
[Paul:] just about got enough there, now
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Margaret:] Is that, oh you've got some more cement
[Paul:] Yeah, it should just about
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[Paul:] so what we done yesterday most of us mix it in the barrel you see
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Paul:] so it's pretty hard work
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Oh it is, very, very heavy
[Paul:] turning over
[Margaret:] they've been done for many years
[Paul:] so we've done about up to about a foot cos this concrete, now
[Margaret:] yeah
[Paul:] it's a lot easier material
[Raymond:] say the holes are big enough anyway, so they should be, there shouldn't be any movement there I wouldn't of thought
[Paul:] Made a bit of a mistake on the holes we
[Margaret:] What size?
[Paul:] we had further over than what we thought we've had to dig a little bit out
[Raymond:] oh no
[Margaret:] have you? Oh
[Paul:] but it's been alright cos the sands quite
[Margaret:] Aye, yeah, well it's not quite the same where we are
[Paul:] Right well we're going now, cheerio then [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Paul:] I came here sweating thinking that I might have to do some work
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] I phoned you about three times
[Raymond:] Thank god Joe's here...
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[speaker004:] Yeah Kathy didn't mention about the chemicals
[Paul:] She said she was gonna get hold of them but she said she's gotta
[speaker004:] Just wondered if she could you know
[Paul:] I think she's still trying
[speaker004:] Yeah
[Margaret:] Brill that
[Paul:] It's alright ain't it?
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Paul:] They're a bit
[Margaret:] snaky, and I noticed, yeah
[Raymond:] tell you I've got to see Carrie and we drop this OK Paul
[Margaret:] Alright love
[Raymond:] see you later anyway, cheerio Paul How's it going love?
[Margaret:] Alright
[Raymond:] We got out of a job then, nicely
[Margaret:] Oh I, he's done it alright has he?
[Raymond:] Well it, no his friend Joe, one of the other policemen and, they done most of it, I mean we had to get the shopping didn't we?
[Margaret:] We helped them with three posts... yeah aye, on your plate
[Raymond:] Everything OK. Bought that New Zealander first dictionary
[Margaret:] Oh great
[Raymond:] long time ago
[Margaret:] Oh he could do with that cos Emily's always asking me
[Raymond:] I get some
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] I thought it was another book on Mediterranean cooking there somewhere
[Carrie:] A big one what I
[Margaret:] I'm sure I've seen one on Mediterranean cooking I don't know
[Raymond:] No it's only a small one, but it's an old
[Carrie:] Oh
[Raymond:] that was a New Zealand
[Margaret:] unless mum's taking that, I know she's reading
[Raymond:] oh
[Margaret:] through them all a few times so
[Carrie:] Ital, was it Italian or Mediterranean?
[Raymond:] Mediterranean
[Margaret:] Mediterranean, I'm sure it's
[Carrie:] Oh
[Margaret:] Mediterranean
[Raymond:] Spanish, French, Italian, you know, erm
[Carrie:] What are these books?
[Margaret:] Do you want a...
[Raymond:] yeah we're gonna put these castors in shall we?
[Margaret:] Yeah do you need a hammer for those?
[Carrie:] There's a hammer in there
[Raymond:] No, no, just, they just drop in...
[Margaret:] oh yeah
[Carrie:] I don't know whether it's still open or not, perhaps I'll have to go there
[Margaret:] Yes that's what I mentioned
[Raymond:] Erm, ah, over the
[Carrie:] er I have this, because I wouldn't of understand any of that [LAUGHTER] if I had that and this really explains a lot of it.
[Raymond:] Is that a new one or the same?
[Carrie:] No that's the library book I'm reading
[Raymond:] The one that, yes
[Carrie:] to explain
[Raymond:] yes
[Carrie:] what's happened, but it does say in it that at the beginning that you assume that he is a youth because he's got, come from university, but when he's in the graveyard the fellow, it, it comes out that he's thirty isn't he? You know when he's suggest that I thirty three years ago
[Raymond:] Well I didn't think, well yeah
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] he's saying that perhaps Shakespeare
[Raymond:] yes, I
[Carrie:] felt that he had to justify this long
[Margaret:] length of time, mm
[Raymond:] oh I see, yes, yes, yes
[Carrie:] in a way he was thinking mentally, he was older than twenty
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] Yes
[Carrie:] and yet at the beginning he said the king said we don't want you to go back to school, it sounds funny going back to school
[Margaret:] Well, well
[Raymond:] Mm
[Carrie:] There's a few sort of erm... bits about it that he's obviously changed or
[Margaret:] Adapted
[Carrie:] Yeah, or somebody's changed and cos they say to be or not to be doesn't fit in as well where it is and it should of been
[Raymond:] Mm
[Carrie:] somewhere else
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] Oh god I, I, I mean I, the books just been written on that
[Margaret:] Is it? Well I was gonna say what's that?
[Carrie:] Rosemary Conley
[Margaret:] Oh, is it any... oh is it very strenuous sort of thing?
[Carrie:] Oh no, no, blimey, oh, not much, no jumping about otherwise there'll be an earthquake in here
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] but I've lost a few pounds since last week. I got a sponsored form as well
[Margaret:] Oh I need to take that back for Friday because
[Carrie:] Kelly and Julia, cos she got on it she was seven, under seven stone
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] she was eleven stone something
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Didn't ring the bell did it, when you got off?
[Carrie:] No, ping, ding, ding, ding, did you see those two women that had the operations?
[Margaret:] No, I erm
[Raymond:] No we saw the photographs of er one
[Margaret:] no I read about it
[Carrie:] Yeah, it was on last night
[Raymond:] One was like this
[Margaret:] Did you watch it?
[Carrie:] God ooh, the operation I was nearly heaving I was
[Margaret:] oh how awful
[Raymond:] got to sew them up
[Margaret:] Staple the stomach, yeah. Do they, they must do it
[Raymond:] Good grief
[Margaret:] inside obviously
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Carrie:] they cut them open like and it's a big scar right the way down there
[Margaret:] Your stomach go down there
[Raymond:] What
[Carrie:] and then they dig it, they don't seem to care do they when they're operating on somebody?
[Margaret:] there er, oh right
[Raymond:] They're just bits of flesh, gee whiz
[Carrie:] And then they got this
[Margaret:] haven't got the
[Carrie:] big like gun in like a staple thing it was, but it was a la, it was an extended one, fitted inside this rubber hose and then, clamp it and they only have a little bit of stomach left so they can't eat proper meals
[Margaret:] To the eleventh of June they've got
[Carrie:] after that
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] Mm
[Carrie:] and there were two women that had it done, that big one had, had it done four times
[Margaret:] That's right yeah
[Raymond:] Good
[Carrie:] the third time it burst
[Margaret:] it burst because she kept, she kept on eating didn't she?
[Carrie:] Kept stopping and then the second time she had it done
[Raymond:] And they've got to open her up every time
[Carrie:] Yep
[Raymond:] obviously
[Carrie:] the second time she had it done and then, they had to remove it because she went down to seven stone
[Margaret:] That's right yes
[Carrie:] from twenty
[Margaret:] I read that, so, did she
[Carrie:] She could of died like you know, so they had to
[Margaret:] She became anorexic then did she?
[Carrie:] Mm, they had to take it off and she went the other way then
[Margaret:] Well it said she's a nice, in the paper last an evening leading review, it said er she is now a ni, a trimmed erm ten stone, oh a size twelve
[Carrie:] Yeah she had it, she was just going into theatre at the end of the programme, she was having it done for the fourth time
[Margaret:] Good heav, well it said they only
[Raymond:] So
[Margaret:] do this operation if, if erm there
[Carrie:] About thirteen stone aye
[Margaret:] are health reasons for it as well as being grossly overweight
[Carrie:] twenty stone like, you know
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] [sigh]
[Carrie:] She was only thirteen stone when they took her in that last time, she was massive, she must of only been about five foot
[Margaret:] Yeah, well this is it, she's only short
[Raymond:] Ah, a big woman ah
[Carrie:] do you know aye
[Margaret:] yeah
[Carrie:] and the other one was erm a mother of two and she said that even when she was younger she was always overweight and she could never sort of go out with anybody nice and she just settled for anybody sort of thing, I felt sorry for her [LAUGHTER] husband, mind you saying this like, cos he looked a bit thick and er
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] anyway she went and had it done and erm she was upset after she had it done like it must of hurt you know she was crying
[Margaret:] Oh dear
[Carrie:] and all that, and she could only eat liquid food for six weeks
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] cos your stomach, I don't know whether your stomach wouldn't tolerate the
[Raymond:] Solids
[Carrie:] yeah, and er, well anyway she down, she was like a model at the end
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] really slim
[Margaret:] So and she was
[Carrie:] She changed completely, she was going out then, she was going keep fit now
[Margaret:] Personality change
[Carrie:] keep fit four times a week and he, he
[Raymond:] And er
[Carrie:] didn't like it the husband
[Raymond:] Oh
[Margaret:] Well is this one who and he said she ditch, she ditched her husband and got she's got a new man or something
[Carrie:] I don't know
[Margaret:] This was, this is what it said last night, one of them that lost the weight said, she said it must of been her, yeah
[Carrie:] Oh maybe that's what happened in the end, that must be her, yeah
[Margaret:] said she was with a new husband
[Carrie:] the other one was divorced wasn't she?
[Margaret:] Oh I don't, I didn't see it you see, I knew it, it was only what I read
[Carrie:] Well the other one that had it done four times said oh, I'm on my own now with the little boy, so she was before the programme was made
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] but the other one, they did this vi video diary that they each spoke on and he was getting more upset, the more weight she lost he was more discontent in saying that
[Margaret:] Oh
[Carrie:] she's not there for me any more and she's
[Margaret:] Oh
[Carrie:] only obsessed with herself and
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] I suppose she was used to her filling an armchair every night and just sitting there all night and not doing anything
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] content with that
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] No life that though is it for a younger person?
[Carrie:] Well she said I wasn't living I was just
[Margaret:] How old was she?
[Carrie:] I don't know, she didn't half change, she had her hair permed, after she lost a lot of weight
[Margaret:] Looked like a different person I suppose
[Carrie:] she had contact lenses she looked really nice actually
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] Smartened herself up
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] That's what you ought to do
[Carrie:] Oh god
[Margaret:] You cheeky devil...
[Raymond:] get that stapler, got one in the garage
[Carrie:] ah, you want to see some of the twenty five year olds going to town down here
[Margaret:] I'm only ten and a half stone
[Carrie:] with dyed blonde hair
[Raymond:] I know, yeah, tremendous aren't they?
[Carrie:] big arms
[Margaret:] I tell you what, do you ever remember Olive's, oh I don't think you ever saw her, Olive's niece she used to work at
[Raymond:] No, not unless I saw that wedding that time I don't know.
[Margaret:] She was enormous, what the devil was her name?
[Raymond:] Bigger than Olive?
[Margaret:] Her mum was Ann, that was Olive's sister Ann and what was, what was the do at the
[Carrie:] not Olive from work?
[Margaret:] Er yeah
[Raymond:] Mm
[Margaret:] remember big
[Carrie:] Olive that used to go to my school?
[Margaret:] Yes, that's right
[Carrie:] Short hair like a bit of a moron?
[Margaret:] Yeah, yeah, er, oh no I think you're thinking of a different Olive
[Raymond:] No
[Carrie:] Oh
[Margaret:] No, Olive that used to work when I worked for Laura Ashley's
[Carrie:] Oh
[Margaret:] erm... she was hefty though and her sister Ann used to be enormous years ago this is, and erm she went on a, a diet, I don't know what, how, how she lost the weight but she did and I, I hadn't seen her for some years and I remember her coming to the factory this day, and she came in and she, she used to do er her flower shop, she used to do flower arrangements and the girls at work would order them you know?
[Carrie:] Mm
[Margaret:] And she came in this day with these flowers and spoke to me and I didn't know who she was
[Carrie:] Didn't even recognise her
[Raymond:] Mm, mm
[Margaret:] I felt so ashamed because I didn't recognise her and she was sort of talking away to me as though, you know, and I thought oh very friendly person, you know?
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Margaret:] And I didn't realise it was her
[Carrie:] no one didn't recognise her
[Margaret:] Well, she'd lost that much weight, now she's very conscious from then on, you know, she's sort of kept her weight down, but her daughter also had a job at our place and she was gross, I mean, Olive and Ann had both been huge women, but, but this daughter, and she was only about five feet tall and er, I don't know what her weight was but it was one of those
[Raymond:] What is it?
[Carrie:] Got your tape recorder going?
[Margaret:] sort of
[Raymond:] Oh
[Margaret:] one of those size people you'll turn your head
[Carrie:] Oh yeah
[Margaret:] she coul, I mean she just looked like a Michelin man, as though somebody pumped her up with a yeah it was, oh it was terrible and I thought what a strain that must be on her heart, you know, carrying all that weight
[Carrie:] This is it medical, no wonder the doctors want you to lose weight
[Margaret:] well well I mean the heart's the most obvious organ, but I mean it must put a strain on everything else...
[Carrie:] I haven't noticed I've lost any weight only that me clothes have gone a bit loose, it must be only a couple of pounds literally but on Mrs scales I'm half a stone lighter, but I don't think so by tomorrow night I'll be about eleven, ten
[Margaret:] So is it tomorrow night Brownies?
[Carrie:] The weigh in [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] The weigh in
[Carrie:] I was talking to somebody in bread shop and she's doing it as well
[Raymond:] Does anyone ever ring the bell Carrie?
[Margaret:] All the Brownies' mums are gonna be wasting away
[Carrie:] All the mums
[Raymond:] Does anyone, when they stand on the scales
[Carrie:] It was funny though, when I went to get on the scales everybody went phew
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] All the heads crowding round to see
[Carrie:] I know, I was like that, oh dear
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] and those that are smaller their faces light up
[Carrie:] Yeah, I'm OK
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] A lady was only ten stone
[Margaret:] I bet there weren't
[Carrie:] but she was only about four foot eleven
[Margaret:] Oh, so she was still overweight then?
[Carrie:] but she was the lightest I think, er, oh no, Brown Owl Brown Owl need to lose
[Raymond:] I suppose she was saying oh I can't get rid of it, all the other
[Margaret:] Brown Owl needs to lose a few feathers for the summer
[Carrie:] She doesn't no, no
[Margaret:] Oh
[Carrie:] she's got a lovely figure, she wears these culottes right, she's got these skinny legs like the kids
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] she doesn't need to bother, but er, she's I don't realise what I look like sometimes until I was exercising, looking in the mirror, god I wish I could remove me chest like, you know, I'd love to have a, a small chest like you know
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] must be like Nana
[Margaret:] Mm, yeah, I think you take after your grandma
[Carrie:] Well I had me hair cut as well layered
[Margaret:] I was gonna say to you when we came in
[Raymond:] Oh it's nice it looks better
[Margaret:] have you had it trimmed? It looks nice, yeah
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Raymond:] I've had mine highlighted
[Carrie:] Highlighted with grey [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Ironed
[Carrie:] Yeah, lowlights
[Raymond:] I'm gonna get style
[Carrie:] it's a good job you
[Raymond:] gonna see
[Carrie:] haven't had those clippers I use on Scott, there'll be nothing left [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] just a few little whiskers
[Raymond:] That one in erm, is it Lower Bridge Street, that Brian goes to? He said it's nice, you get a cup of coffee oh it's great
[Carrie:] Er Chester, charge you a fortune though
[Margaret:] I was gonna say he pays the earth
[Raymond:] but they don't do anything
[Margaret:] for a hair cut
[Carrie:] Just give you a cup of coffee
[Raymond:] I mean see
[Carrie:] do that and me hair
[Margaret:] Who knows
[Raymond:] so what have they done, oh they put these, I don't know what they do, they set it, or
[Margaret:] Yeah, he has
[Carrie:] They put
[Margaret:] a wash and a blow dry he has it
[Carrie:] He has a blow dry
[Raymond:] Are they bad those things?
[Carrie:] Do they have a
[Margaret:] I mean we
[Raymond:] no he just has a curls, seemed to be curls here
[Margaret:] We saw him one week and he looked like blooming Julian Caesar
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] the way they'd [LAUGHTER] cut it [LAUGHTER] and I couldn't help it, I just, immediately []
[Raymond:] He's so gullible, honestly Brian is
[Margaret:] said, what have you done to your hair? You know and
[Carrie:] Oh
[Margaret:] and I oh my god I shouldn't of said that you know, he's paid a fortune to have this freebie
[Raymond:] That's what I say to you and you don't like it
[Carrie:] Well he, what he has it permed does he then?
[Margaret:] No, no
[Raymond:] don't style
[Carrie:] They dry it I suppose
[Margaret:] He has got curly hair
[Raymond:] they style it
[Margaret:] it's just the way they cut it and it's sort of all these little curls
[Carrie:] Round the front
[Margaret:] at, at the front, yeah
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] I expected to see the laurel leaf in the back you know
[Carrie:] He must of gone in on the granny department and
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] Oh dear
[Raymond:] In my day, you got a short back and sides, everyone got
[Margaret:] Whether you wanted it or not
[Raymond:] everyone got the same
[Margaret:] everybody had the same
[Carrie:] I don't like the cer I mean at the moment they've got it short, but they have it long here and long at the back and then everywhere else short, short back and sides
[Raymond:] It's horrible that is
[Carrie:] It looks terrible it does, I'd have it one way or the other
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] either long or short, but not
[Raymond:] He's a Scott doesn't he?
[Carrie:] Scott's yeah, his is made at the moment, but I was erm Gemma came for tea last night and she wears glasses she's long sighted in one eye and er, anyway I noticed she's not wearing them as much now, so I said to her mum what's happening?
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] So she said oh she hasn't got to wear them as much now she said her eyes have improved, you know,
[Margaret:] oh
[Carrie:] she looks really weird without them on and I saw her like this
[Margaret:] Funny you get used to
[Raymond:] Naked
[Carrie:] Yes, yes
[Raymond:] yes, yes
[Margaret:] Is she alright now without them or does she have to wear them part of the time?
[Carrie:] Yeah she said she has to wear them for the television
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] and the writing and reading, but I mean before they were on all the time
[Margaret:] All the time
[Carrie:] like Scott so
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] I said oh my god Scott you know
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] I mean I don't want him to wear them all the time
[Margaret:] Well I mean he doesn't wear them all the time does he?
[Carrie:] Yes he does
[Margaret:] Does he?
[Carrie:] He has to wear them all the time, but he doesn't wear them all the time
[Raymond:] Mm, well he sh
[Margaret:] when he's leaping about he'll take them off
[Carrie:] When he's fighting and all
[Raymond:] It's corrective you see now this is the idea of it
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] that's what I thought
[Raymond:] as the, as his eyes are developing
[Carrie:] Yeah, maybe they will be that later on
[Raymond:] Oh yes
[Carrie:] but his are a lot thicker than Gemma's though
[Raymond:] Oh
[Carrie:] cos I looked through Gemma's I could
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] You could see the other side of the room
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Coca Cola's
[Carrie:] but er, he was in trouble yesterday at school for being naughty
[Margaret:] Really?
[Carrie:] he got called out in front of the school
[Margaret:] What er
[Raymond:] What on earth did he do?
[Margaret:] did you get the whole story
[Carrie:] Talking
[Margaret:] the whole story
[Raymond:] He's talking
[Carrie:] Well he whispered to me last night, you know, then of course Laura told me everything [LAUGHTER] cos she was there
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah she blabbed
[Carrie:] Yeah but he's
[Margaret:] it's handy to have a squealer in the family innit?
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER] I really can't wait for Sally to
[Raymond:] What happened then?
[Carrie:] but when I went in the other week, they all sit in a circle like that, then there's a space and the teacher stands there and she was telling a story about the independent princess who doesn't fall in love with the prince in the end, it was a quite funny story
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] but she just suddenly went, you and she grabbed hold of this lad, and dragged, she didn't hit him or anything, you know, but I just, oh I thought oh god, you know, I felt so sorry for this kid like, dragged him out to the back, [shouting] you were talking weren't you? [] You know, she made him sit down in the middle in front of everybody you see
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] I mean, that was the embarrassing bit, so that's what
[Raymond:] Mm
[Carrie:] must of happened to Scott you see?
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] So, I have told him before because he has been told off before for talking you know at the back
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] he said mum Shane keeps saying to me Scott, Scott, Scott
[Margaret:] Yes
[Carrie:] I said well you just have to give him the deaf ear I said otherwise you'll become, I said and he'll get caught out eventually
[Raymond:] Mm they'll see him
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] and, they will eventually
[Carrie:] Mm, some of them don't care you see
[Margaret:] I mean it's, it's the sort of thing we have
[Carrie:] and Scott's a bit more sensitive like, you know, because he was crying last time, Laura said he was nearly crying over it
[Raymond:] Nearly
[Carrie:] I said look son, I said if you're gonna be naughty
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] I said well it's up to the teachers, I said, you can't expect me, I mean if there was if he was picked on I would go down there but I mean if he's being naughty then it's up to the teachers to sort him out
[Margaret:] Yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] But they soon forget it
[Margaret:] I mean the thing is they've got to
[Carrie:] they've got to break them up now while they're young
[Raymond:] They don't give the cane do they?
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Carrie:] No they don't give the cane
[Margaret:] I mean they've got to understand that when the teacher tells them to do something that
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Margaret:] that's what they're supposed to do, I mean and if they do break the rules they've, they've got to accept the consequences and it's as simple as that
[Carrie:] As that, yeah that's what I said, I said, they have to go in a yellow book if they're really naughty [LAUGHTER] which he hasn't done yet and then they have to go to Mrs so I said well you'll be going to Mrs if you don't
[Margaret:] Mrs
[Carrie:] Yeah, you'll be going to her.
[Margaret:] I bet they dawdle to go to Mrs
[Carrie:] You can imagine these lads can't you all giggling together at the back
[Margaret:] Yeah, I mean they're only little aren't they? But er
[Carrie:] Naughtier than the girls though, can't let the girls
[Margaret:] I mean it's all part really, of, of learning respect for the teachers and
[Carrie:] Mm
[Margaret:] and adults isn't it? You know if they think they can do just as they like at that age, well I mean er the, the some of them er when they're fifteen or sixteen
[Carrie:] This is it yeah, when they get bigger than you
[Margaret:] they're uncontrollable
[Carrie:] Yeah, exactly, you know, but er he just reminds me of Robin like, you know, and he's got this brilliant way of ducking
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] you know when he goes to swipe him, he can duck like that you know, before I've even thought I was gonna even hit him [LAUGHTER] he's gone like that hit the pavement
[Margaret:] He's got that sort of, he's got that sonar device, [LAUGHTER] tells you what's coming []
[Carrie:] and even when I yell at him times he's gone, you know, I don't know
[Margaret:] I could never connect when I was trying to wallop Paul and Rob [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] but Emily doesn't do that or Laura
[Margaret:] We used to break all kind of speed limits getting out of the door
[Raymond:] My mum used to connect and hurt herself
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER] Well maybe it's a good job I don't because I've got a thick head...
[Raymond:] Some hand
[Carrie:] but he doesn't tend to show me up as much now thank goodness, but late one night he really went naughty, you know when they look at you like that sideways and they know that you can't wallop them because those
[Margaret:] Yes, yes
[Carrie:] in front of them, so I waited until I got home and took me slipper off and whacked his bum, I said the next time I said that's what's gonna happen, I said you can do what you like when we go out I said but just remember what you'll get when we come back [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Ooh, there's cruel
[Carrie:] Yeah, he was saying all the way back, please mummy don't hit me [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Yes erm
[Margaret:] Cruel mother
[Carrie:] I really laugh sometimes
[Margaret:] beating us up
[Raymond:] anticipation
[Carrie:] cos I nearly give him but there's nobody else about the
[Margaret:] it's so frustrating isn't it when you're in the middle of a crowded shop you know
[Carrie:] Ooh
[Margaret:] and they look at you as you just said as, you know, you're powerless, you can't do anything now
[Carrie:] That's it, yeah, they know you can't
[Raymond:] Well no you could wallop them there and then I suppose
[Carrie:] Ooh what and get all the of all the grand mothers there
[Margaret:] Oh I know it's terrible, it's terrible now
[Carrie:] oh you shouldn't let them, er, and the, the thing is somebody else argues on their behalf then they think they can get away with it more
[Raymond:] Well they soon feel undermined, yes or, or the kid, the kid
[Carrie:] I just say to them now
[Raymond:] goes to the police [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] they were watching this thing about erm, what do you call it child thing
[Margaret:] Child watch
[Carrie:] on the telly the other night and they were showing this fellow scragging the kids in the kitchen, god and I thought oh, because they were all watching it, you know, oh they might ring them
[Margaret:] No
[Raymond:] I think it's I mean I heard, you hear these tales but I think it's as you bring them up isn't it? If you keep at them and
[Carrie:] Yeah, because I mean we laugh about it you know
[Raymond:] Yes
[Carrie:] I don't smack them or I just threaten them, but er he is the one that
[Raymond:] You've got to be firm
[Carrie:] Yeah, well he is the one that needs keeping an eye on
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Carrie:] but Julia said to me before she came round with Hayden she said er, cos her mum and dad are still there, not her mum and dad, her mum and step dad are still there, they're only giving them forty pounds for nine weeks, forty pounds towards the mortgage like you know, been there since after Christmas and erm, anyway she said ooh she said, Steve said er, that's her husband, said to me ooh isn't Emily well mannered she said, she doesn't walk in the house, she waits in the doorstep you know
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] their Layla charges in like you know, straight in
[Margaret:] Go away you where's the biscuits?
[Carrie:] unlike Kelly and David when they come round, they just walk in, you know
[Raymond:] Yes she's very quite and sensitive isn't she?
[Carrie:] it doesn't matter
[Raymond:] you should say, takes after her mum
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Margaret:] mm
[Raymond:] it isn't
[Carrie:] some ways, yeah but what about when they're naughty they don't take after me
[Raymond:] Oh well
[Carrie:] can't say that
[Margaret:] No I mean, they're not, they're, they're quite well behaved really, but that's, that's only the way you you teach them to
[Raymond:] You do get some kids though no matter where they are, who's house they go into that you know, strangers and they, they behave in a sort of a, a wild fashion don't they?
[Margaret:] Yeah maybe they're too when they're at home
[Raymond:] Whereas most kids, I don't know I think it's just the way they give them too much lead er, I mean our kids were always quiet weren't they when we went out?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Used to drag them in that's why
[Raymond:] When they were at home
[Margaret:] you don't behave when we go out
[Raymond:] or somebody said do you want so and so, no thanks
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Raymond:] dying to have it
[Margaret:] When they mean yes
[Carrie:] When they want to yes
[Margaret:] I used to
[Raymond:] You have to persuade them you know, go on
[Carrie:] You're right
[Raymond:] which is good really
[Carrie:] When said to me about Pauline's kids her three lads, not the baby like the two lads she said, oh she said er they came to play one night, or they came for tea or something and she goes to work at night you know, she said Paul was looking after them and she said, he said you could hear all this banging up and down the stairs, he said, bloody hell he said they were going mad, and I thought that's what Tom and Hannah do when they come here, I said your two bang up and down like bloody anything I said that's normal, you know for kids.
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] She said, oh she said he doesn't want them to come again, well I said he should of just shouted I said don't bang them down stairs, you know?
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] Moan, moan, moan, moan, moan, moan [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Well this is it, they want to run up and down when they're little, I mean, they gotta expand that energy
[Carrie:] when they get especially if they get in a bigger house [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Yes, more space, more rooms to run in [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Let's see what we can do with this one
[Margaret:] Yeah, mm
[Carrie:] My Hayley's a bit like that, jumping all over me this morning can't
[Margaret:] So I take it Laura's got her sinus problem sorted out did she?
[Carrie:] Yeah Not through your mouth, through your nose, anyway it must of righted itself, she's still full of cold but you know, when you get that achy feeling cos she said it aches
[Margaret:] It grabs you
[Raymond:] Mm
[Carrie:] Oh and she got, swallowed a tooth yesterday at school
[Margaret:] That one's that been
[Carrie:] No, hang on
[Raymond:] Oh no
[Carrie:] not that one, that's still there
[Margaret:] The one at the bottom, that's unbelievable that
[Carrie:] I didn't think it was very wobbly, but she said she swallowed it and there's a load of blood at the ramp at school so, so I said that must of been nice for the teachers, mind, but the other one I found
[Margaret:] Is this a bottom tooth now she's...?
[Carrie:] The bottom one yeah, at the side
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] I baffled her last night the front one again, I was swinging Emily around and banged her in the mouth, if it hadn't of been there it wouldn't of cut her gum and went into her lip and her gum
[Margaret:] Oh good lord
[Carrie:] Oh it was in a right mess, but it still didn't come out
[Raymond:] It's hanging on by a thread
[Carrie:] all of that, I can't psyche myself up to yank it out, so
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] it'll probably twang back in again
[Margaret:] You could al you could always take her to the dent, is the other tooth in front of it or behind it?
[Carrie:] Behind it, yeah the other
[Margaret:] Behind
[Carrie:] dentist said no, they don't want, they don't like taking them out
[Margaret:] They don't like to do it what even in under those, I mean the other tooth's nearly the same size, this is what happened with that tooth of mine there, I was
[Carrie:] It was growing behind
[Margaret:] it, the other one wouldn't come out and eventually the to, this tooth that's here now
[Carrie:] Mm
[Margaret:] was the same length as the one in front so
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] its, honestly it was and eventually of course it did come out and there's always been a gap because the one behind
[Carrie:] Behind, you know everybody you
[Margaret:] couldn't straighten out
[Carrie:] talk to the dentist's say kids have got to wear braces, so just about everybody has been told
[Raymond:] Oh
[Carrie:] gotta wear braces so
[Margaret:] I always thought it was only Canada that do it with
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Raymond:] The Americans do that a lot
[Carrie:] they're very light weight ones now aren't they?
[Raymond:] Oh yes, yes, marvellous
[Carrie:] so it's glasses, braces and grom grommets in their ears now
[Margaret:] Grommets?
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Margaret:] Who had
[Carrie:] grommets is it or grommet?
[Margaret:] Yes it is a grommet well
[Carrie:] Nearly every nearly everybody you speak to, if they've got erm
[Raymond:] What on earth for?
[Carrie:] I think it's because the passages are so small they get bunged up, I know Anna across the road's got it done once but er Michelle said they've come out, but er, they're supposed to drain them so she said
[Raymond:] What?
[Carrie:] Every morning they're supposed to have a load of gunk on the pillow where it's drained out
[Margaret:] Oh god
[Carrie:] but she said er, they didn't do too well with Anna because it didn't drain
[Margaret:] and this is an operation to actually to have this inserted?
[Carrie:] Yeah, yeah, they just put them in their eardrum part
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] and it's supposed to just leak out through
[Margaret:] to drain it
[Carrie:] instead of, cos she was nearly deaf you see, and er
[Margaret:] God
[Carrie:] there's a few people have now said that their
[Margaret:] Oh I've never heard of that it must be
[Carrie:] a lot of them if it isn't sorted out have them the no, what do you call them the adenoids
[Margaret:] Sinuses
[Carrie:] and the
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] and the tonsils and their done as well at the same time
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Carrie:] and that tends to clear
[Margaret:] Well the adenoids must be, I mean must, I always think of Melvyn Bragg you know
[Carrie:] Mm
[Margaret:] he sounds very adenoidal
[Carrie:] say he's got a flat nose hasn't he?
[Margaret:] but er
[Raymond:] Problem is
[Carrie:] I think Jeanette said Tom had that problem cos he didn't speak until he was about two and a half and they thought he was you know a bit daft
[Margaret:] Retarded
[Carrie:] and it must of been because of that
[Margaret:] Because he couldn't hear properly
[Carrie:] because er, they've got both got very small noses and Hannah's always talking like that you know
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] through her nose, but, so there must of been, she's alright but her nose is blocked up all the time
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] Made up for it since though
[Margaret:] So, well they're all at school today anyway
[Carrie:] Yeah Emily was trying it on again this morning, I think it's just that she gets tired cos she feels slothlike in the morning and then by the end of the day she's over like a rocket
[Margaret:] She's wound up
[Carrie:] Yeah, so I said well you know because I was thinking oh god if I go to college and she's off bloody sick all the time, but I think it's just that she's tired and you know
[Margaret:] Mm what time do you, do they go to bed?
[Carrie:] Go to bed at half seven, she doesn't go to sleep until about quarter past ten some nights reading
[Margaret:] I know they read yeah
[Carrie:] gonna get that
[Raymond:] Oh
[Carrie:] It usually means Scott has fallen asleep
[Margaret:] I mean if, if they are in bed, I mean if they are there they are resting to some extent, even if they're sort of awake but
[Carrie:] She's just not, oh I don't know, thinks she's gonna miss something I suppose
[Margaret:] Yeah, she's a late bird, but er
[Carrie:] Don't like getting up, but she'll be alright
[Margaret:] does she, you, you said she was having vitamins for a while didn't you?
[Carrie:] Not having now, god she, I mean she doesn't eat a lot, but she eats so many different things, I mean
[Margaret:] Mm having a good variety
[Carrie:] she's on the organic crisps at school and er
[Margaret:] well
[Carrie:] fruit and she eats a lot of salad cos she loves salad you know
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] if I had a salad I mean
[Margaret:] it's unusual that for children really cos they don't usually go for salad
[Carrie:] Yeah, well even Laura like she eats salad at school like you know, but erm, she's got erm, what did we have the other night cos we'd been eating semi [LAUGHTER] semi Mediterranean food this week [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] cos I made these stuffed tomatoes with rice in
[Raymond:] Oh those are nice I like those
[Carrie:] last night and we had cheese and onion pasties with them [LAUGHTER] so
[Margaret:] Bang goes the diet
[Raymond:] Oh no
[Carrie:] Well Laura and Gemma wanted to make these pasties and she'd asked me at the weekend and I didn't have the time because I think Irene came down cos I asked Irene whether she'd looked after, you know I'm at college until three, and she said yeah I'll pick them up and er I couldn't get her out at then so I promised she could make them so, I said alright you and Gemma make them, anyway they did very well they made them in about fifteen minutes because we had to go and get Emily at four from school, I said hurry up, hurry up put the water in Emily quick stick them together [LAUGHTER] shove them now and put them in the oven
[Margaret:] What were they cheese and onion?
[Carrie:] Cheese and onion little pasties they made and Laura didn't want to eat any for tea they did their nut with her
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] God
[Carrie:] so she just had the rice and an egg with it and Gemma had about three pasties and I had stuffed tomatoes with rice and erm, what did I do with, I done rata, ratatouille and
[Raymond:] That's nice yeah
[Carrie:] ratatouille which is easy to make, I didn't know I was making ratatouille
[Raymond:] That's a nice one
[Carrie:] anyway before I read the
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] recipe of it
[Raymond:] That's a nice one that erm, pomme de terre
[Carrie:] Yes, yeah
[Raymond:] but of course it's got eggs in it and it, it's no good is it?
[Carrie:] Erm that's not the shaped spiral shaped?
[Raymond:] Layers of
[Carrie:] Oh layers of potatoes
[Raymond:] layers of potatoes and erm cheese and then you pour the egg mixture over it and cook it
[Carrie:] Oh what's the egg mixture then? Not custard?
[Raymond:] Ah er no, er just eg, egg
[Margaret:] Ah egg
[Raymond:] a couple of eggs
[Margaret:] A beaten egg isn't it?
[Raymond:] with milk I think that's what it is
[Carrie:] Oh like a flan mix then?
[Raymond:] but erm
[Margaret:] mm or a quiche
[Raymond:] Yeah I suppose that's right yeah in, in a casserole dish
[Carrie:] Like a flan with potatoes and cheese in, mind you you're supposed to cut down on the cheese
[Raymond:] Well this is it, it's dairy I suppose isn't it? But the spuds taste lovely ooh
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] but you've got to par cook them because they don't
[Carrie:] Yes quite a lot when they're
[Raymond:] cook quickly enough
[Carrie:] yeah what did I do with we had er salty potatoes
[Margaret:] This is like true confessions this
[Carrie:] forget that
[Raymond:] Ah you'll have to do what Ken does
[Margaret:] All the things that you shouldn't have
[Raymond:] Made me laugh last night, he said erm... I, I, I always do a load of spuds he said even if it's
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Carrie:] Ah he knows
[Raymond:] only him and then he said you know
[Margaret:] He said I do a lot
[Raymond:] and then, and then I fry them then
[Margaret:] and then keep them and perhaps have a bit of a fry up
[Raymond:] oh god
[Margaret:] Ah
[Raymond:] eats, I'm sure he eats all the wrong stuff you know?
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Margaret:] Well, well I mean we called in the other day
[Carrie:] he doesn't seem to put on any weight mind
[Raymond:] He won't eat any no, no, no
[Margaret:] in the afternoon and er
[Carrie:] he don't eat a lot
[Margaret:] he had a biscuit with a cup of tea and he said that's the first thing I've had to eat
[Raymond:] He doesn't eat much
[Margaret:] today and I said well why? You know, he said oh I, I usually only have one meal a day
[Raymond:] You see he won't eat veggies
[Carrie:] Perhaps he's used to having one meal he wasn't there in the day time
[Margaret:] Well that's right
[Raymond:] Won't eat any veggies you know, none
[Carrie:] Well how
[Margaret:] I don't
[Carrie:] can he go to the toilet
[Margaret:] think he used to bother
[Carrie:] flipping heck, unless he eats fruit
[Margaret:] Oh er, I don't think he does, he likes
[Raymond:] He doesn't
[Margaret:] and, he erm raw vegetables
[Raymond:] An apple now and again but it
[Margaret:] he'll eat raw carrot and things like that but otherwise the only vegetables he'll eat are potatoes he eats
[Raymond:] peas about, yeah but he doesn't, he doesn't eat them much does he? If had a plate of raw carrots
[Carrie:] Now I would always peel a carrot
[Margaret:] It's a bit boring isn't it?
[Raymond:] Well I was gonna say he doesn't
[Margaret:] Not very often
[Raymond:] if he ever ever comes to our house and you're doing stuff then he'll pick one won't he'll make a celery
[Margaret:] Yes if we catch him he eats a couple of carrots in his hand
[Carrie:] Does he eat salad then?
[Raymond:] He doesn't, well he'll have salad minus oh he does oh I think he will have a salad but he doesn't like tomatoes
[Margaret:] I think, I think they're quite big meat eaters really and erm
[Carrie:] They were
[Raymond:] They like a lot of meat
[Carrie:] saying at this mediterranean diet that the more fruit and veg you eat the less chance you've got of heart disease and cancer
[Raymond:] Oh yes
[Margaret:] Oh yes that's right, yeah
[Carrie:] er you know if you think you're not gonna get cancer you would eat more vegetables really
[Raymond:] I mean
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] they, they've always been known for marvellous skin haven't they, the erm
[Carrie:] Oh they all look skinny
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] continent because of olive oil, plenty of erm vegetables
[Carrie:] I've got some olive oil but I've noticed if you look on the olive oil that some of the, some of it isn't mono unsaturates is it, you know, on a lot of it
[Margaret:] Olive is olive oil
[Carrie:] olive oil
[Raymond:] Gotta be pure olive oil
[Margaret:] pure olive oil
[Carrie:] yeah, but it's got saturates in
[Margaret:] Has it?
[Raymond:] How can it?
[Margaret:] I must have a look on my bottle I've
[Carrie:] on this one I've got, yeah because this was one of them
[Margaret:] I didn't study the label
[Raymond:] No I didn't, I thought it was all good
[Margaret:] I just I just saw it was pure virgin olive oil and I thought oh that'll do
[Carrie:] Yeah but even if it says virgin it can still
[Margaret:] That's what the can says
[Raymond:] Oh thought it came straight out of an olive it can't do any harm can it?
[Margaret:] Mm, but unless it's added additives
[Carrie:] Saturates fifteen grammes
[Margaret:] Oh you haven't got your glasses on
[Carrie:] No
[Raymond:] That's not much is it?
[Carrie:] Yeah, but I'm saying, don't tip it up cos the tops broken
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Carrie:] there, I didn't think there was any saturates in it, olive oil
[Margaret:] No
[Raymond:] Got a small
[Carrie:] and that is one of the, the lowest that one and it was one of the cheapest ones as well
[Margaret:] Mm, that's probably why though
[Raymond:] I, this is it you've got to get the er
[Margaret:] if you get the virginal I don't think
[Raymond:] Have you?
[Carrie:] No I looked on the virginal and it had more saturates in than this
[Margaret:] Oh
[Raymond:] No wonder then
[Carrie:] So if you look, and they, and they say the more mono unsaturates it's got is better for you isn't it, rather than polyunsaturates cos it's broken down either further isn't it?
[Raymond:] That's right, yes, yes
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] And there's seventy thousand
[Raymond:] Well the article I read in it, it said erm, you know you can drink gallons of it, I mean I don't know
[Margaret:] You've got to be a blooming chemist now to de,de, decipher all these labels.
[Carrie:] Well I suppose like
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Carrie:] if you were born in the Mediterranean you would of been eating that stuff anyway and you'd never have, think about it
[Margaret:] Yeah, yeah
[Raymond:] You see the South of
[Carrie:] We eat all
[Raymond:] the South of France they said in the paper they eat a lot of butter or cook a lot
[Carrie:] Oh do they?
[Margaret:] Do they?
[Raymond:] the North it's all, nearly oil they use
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] that's the most civilized country as well
[Margaret:] I don't cook in, in I cook with oil, if I use oil
[Raymond:] They cook everything in butter don't they?
[Margaret:] but I very rarely fry any thing anyway
[Carrie:] Oh when I was at college
[Raymond:] Yeah and makes
[Carrie:] you know in a, in erm restaurant, in a hotel or whatever, but I, mind you, you don't go to a hotel that often
[Margaret:] When I go shopping I
[Raymond:] I mean I, I
[Margaret:] I want it simplified, I want it in big letters this is good for you, this is not so good, or this is bad
[Raymond:] No just good, bad
[Margaret:] or this is very bad
[Carrie:] That's what they say on Food and Drink in
[Margaret:] you know and then it's up to you but
[Raymond:] Yeah but there's a lot of ambiguity about it isn't it, they you know they say this is
[Margaret:] Oh very ambiguity
[Raymond:] the wholemeal or whatever
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Raymond:] and as you say you've only gotta read the small print you find that spent percentage of this and that.
[Carrie:] Mm, you see, I always get that erm that you can see how many
[Raymond:] Yes
[Carrie:] but then you've Tesco's own brand
[Raymond:] Mm
[Carrie:] which is brown and white bread
[Margaret:] A mixture of it
[Carrie:] with only, with only
[Raymond:] this is the trouble
[Carrie:] with only a few little bits in it
[Margaret:] Mm
[Raymond:] There's nothing in it, yeah, we, we had a loaf once, sliced, brown bread and there was a line across it there, it was white
[Margaret:] A streak of white yeah where the dough, streak of white dough hadn't been mixed in properly
[Raymond:] We said god look at this, you know it looked as though it had been painted
[Margaret:] Mm, a marble, a marble loaf, there you are
[Raymond:] so it makes you wonder you know as you say
[Carrie:] Mm
[Raymond:] is good isn't it? Because
[Margaret:] Their granary bread is beautiful
[Raymond:] oh
[Carrie:] Is it?
[Margaret:] It's a lovely taste I mean I don't
[Raymond:] Straight
[Margaret:] no it doesn't look particularly dark
[Carrie:] Where it comes from
[Margaret:] but it does, oh it's great
[Raymond:] It's got all those little bits in you know?
[Carrie:] Yeah, well Scott I mean he just eats loads of bread
[Margaret:] Malted loaf
[Carrie:] so I mean I don't mind you know
[Raymond:] That's good he's, he's off the white bread now isn't he?
[Carrie:] No we don't eat any white bread now
[Raymond:] It's abso, I can't eat it now
[Margaret:] They, well there's no taste to it, I mean it's what you put on white bread
[Carrie:] I think brown fills you up more
[Raymond:] Of course it does
[Carrie:] so there aren't as many slices though
[Margaret:] It's just as nutritious though, isn't it?
[Raymond:] Yeah there's something in that you see, the white
[Margaret:] I mean they have to by law, when it's, I mean
[Carrie:] When there's no fibre in it that's the different
[Raymond:] That's right,
[Margaret:] Yeah that's right, I mean it's so refined
[Raymond:] the the ger the
[Margaret:] they took all the goodness out of it and then by law they have to put it back again don't they, to er
[Carrie:] Yes, yeah, yeah it's like er breakfast cereals are good for you in a way that they've got all the vitamins in for kids ain't they?
[Raymond:] Mm
[Carrie:] We get these Weetaflakes, you know, which are like
[Raymond:] Yes those are good
[Carrie:] but every now and then we get something with a special offer on which we're getting the Kelloggs cornflake bowls at the moment.
[Raymond:] Cocoapops
[Carrie:] No we don't buy them
[Margaret:] Haven't had Cocoapops for ages
[Raymond:] Oh what's the other thing snap, crackle and pop
[Margaret:] Oh there's so many of them, so many things I don't know
[Raymond:] Oh yeah
[Carrie:] What
[Raymond:] well I'm gonna try and do my brakes
[Margaret:] Yes his car brakes, listen erm, this erm, this sponsor thing does it say
[Carrie:] You can either do it per pound or you can do a total amount in the end
[Raymond:] Eh?
[Margaret:] Oh I see, I was gonna say because Joyce said oh I'll, I'll
[Raymond:] Nothing for a penny?
[Carrie:] Cos if I lose twenty eight pound then you, then you sponsor me for
[Raymond:] Penny a pound?
[Margaret:] A pound
[Carrie:] No
[Margaret:] divided by twenty eight pence, I mean, divided by twenty eight
[Carrie:] That'll be two pounds, two pounds eighty if it was ten pence a pound
[Margaret:] Mm
[Carrie:] so you know if you just say a pound for the whole lot
[Margaret:] Yeah, it's till June this yeah?
[Carrie:] Yes, it's till June
[Margaret:] You haven't written any letters off yet, no?
[Carrie:] I have yeah so
[Margaret:] Any
[Carrie:] and I've got three phone numbers to ring but I thought I'd wait till the end of the week until I'm [LAUGHTER] about eleven and a half []
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] Julia said oh you don't look eleven and a half, but er I'd still like to look about, I don't know about ten, I suppose [LAUGHTER] oh you do have to do
[Margaret:] go on then get up there and unlock the door
[Raymond:] I don't know
[Margaret:] So how often are you going to be going to the dance now that the weather's better you mean
[Carrie:] I took him out last Saturday
[Raymond:] Water comes up like this [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Displacement, eureka, I have it
[Carrie:] People say she's a good swimmer but she's big [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Unsinkable, like the Titanic
[Margaret:] Ah
[Carrie:] Oh it was terrible when Jackie went in, god her, her leg it was like two of my legs
[Raymond:] Ah, mm
[Carrie:] when I persuaded her to go in, I said you're alright Jackie just run in
[Raymond:] She fell in, it'll be
[Margaret:] quickly
[Raymond:] a big wave
[Carrie:] God, yeah
[Margaret:] Everybody hurried then out of the way I suppose
[Raymond:] in the shallow end
[Carrie:] and Andrew he didn't want her to hold him in the water, he wanted to walk
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] thought he could of in the water he didn't realise it would go over his head
[Margaret:] There's a can do as well
[Carrie:] Aye all me things for
[Margaret:] oh is that what it is? [LAUGHTER]
[Carrie:] I know, I'm gonna staple it back up
[Raymond:] Oh my grief
[Carrie:] Did you get all that bumph off er Barry? Looking for er people who cand, not candidates looking for people to, you know, vote for him?
[Margaret:] No
[Carrie:] We got a letter about animals and their policies you know and
[Margaret:] funny thing there was a letter in the paper though er in the Legal last night and it was some woman who'd written to say that erm, this little girl had collected two, over two hundred signatures for erm the er anti hunting
[Carrie:] Oh yes yeah
[Margaret:] lobby you know, erm and presented or sent them
[Carrie:] that's a lot isn't it?
[Margaret:] to Barry along with other, numerous other people
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Margaret:] and obviously you and I and a few others, but erm
[Carrie:] they will know who we are
[Margaret:] he said it's a pity that erm Barry didn't see fit to vote for it, so
[Carrie:] You mean he didn't?
[Margaret:] Well no, if, if that letter's to be believed he must know
[Raymond:] Abstained or something did he?
[Margaret:] must of well he must of done
[Carrie:] Oh that's bad
[Margaret:] see, there are a lot of farms up where Barry lives
[Raymond:] Got to be realistic, is that what you always say?
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Margaret:] Well I don't mean that I'm not gonna vote for them but I am disappointed
[Carrie:] He's been waiting up and down town asking us to vote for him, flipping heck
[Raymond:] Next time I get hold of him
[Carrie:] No, you gonna ask him that?
[Margaret:] What are you gonna do? No you
[Carrie:] next time he waves to me and I'm going up town I'll be [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] no, you, must vote really, must vote, vote for the Labour Party
[Carrie:] here we are Barry
[Raymond:] He's always
[Carrie:] Yeah
[Margaret:] You try and er
[Carrie:] I remember him waving to me one day, I thought who the bloody hell's that?
[Margaret:] work on them, when they're in power
[Carrie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Oh he does the he's alright
[Carrie:] He just goes
[Margaret:] You I mean you, you criticize him but I mean I know a few people who, who he
[Raymond:] He's got no clout has he?
[Margaret:] has helped
[Raymond:] Oh yes he's got a lot of local level
[Margaret:] I mean they can't, they can't possibly do everything for everybody at the right time I mean
[Raymond:] local level they do er
[Carrie:] No, no
[Raymond:] they do their best
[Carrie:] they're still on that issue I would of thought
[Margaret:] He's not Jesus Christ is he after all's said and done, you know
[Raymond:] He looks like it
[Margaret:] you can't work miracles [LAUGHTER] get out of it, get on with that car
[Carrie:] That looks like [LAUGHTER] ta ra
[Margaret:] Bye then
[Carrie:] See you
[Raymond:] No wonder you study the dictionary the other day
[Margaret:] Study the dictionary, yeah
[Carrie:] Start off with a
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] get all
[Raymond:] Did Kelly said anything about this job?
[Margaret:] No she doesn't know anything yet
[Raymond:] Oh she's, oh so it's just in the er pipeline at the moment is it?
[Margaret:] Yeah she's just gonna, she's just got to pass
[Raymond:] I see, I, I
[Margaret:] you know I mean
[Raymond:] I mean
[Margaret:] I, I mean I dare say
[Raymond:] is that what she does the weekend
[Margaret:] no she only works at nights and she was asking about nights for Carrie you see, cos I
[Raymond:] No way
[Margaret:] can baby sit
[Raymond:] Ah?
[Margaret:] for a couple of nights, when she was on, she asked me if I thought Ken would baby sit a couple of nights, if he could you know perhaps ask different people to baby sit you see, so I said well I didn't like the idea of that anyway
[Raymond:] He wouldn't mind
[Margaret:] so I said well, I said I thought of baby sitting you know if you want. I mean she doesn't she didn't know how many nights it would be
[Raymond:] It couldn't be nights though could it?
[Margaret:] Well no evenings you see
[Raymond:] Not if it's ten till oh evenings
[Margaret:] No
[Raymond:] oh I thought you said nights
[Margaret:] like six till ten something like that you see
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Margaret:] that sort of evening shift erm
[Raymond:] so it's four hours
[Margaret:] and anyway she said that whoever the girl is, she works at the school in the day and she works at the erm in the evening you see, anyway she said the evening shifts are all full
[Raymond:] Sshh
[Margaret:] but they have got Saturdays and Sundays, or she thinks there's Saturday and Sunday, she's gonna ask about it
[Raymond:] Oh
[Margaret:] so it's time and a half as well or something she said on Saturdays
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[Margaret:] oh I don't know...
[Raymond:] I don't know
[Margaret:] I mean I should imagine there are so many people now looking for jobs
[Raymond:] That's right
[Margaret:] and if they can get somebody who hasn't got any ties then they do that
[Raymond:] especially part time work
[Margaret:] Yeah
[Raymond:] they, they're sort of at a premium aren't they?
[Margaret:] Well they're trying, I mean they don't, they don't owe anybody anything, they don't have to pay them holiday pay
[Raymond:] No, nothing
[Margaret:] or
[Raymond:] give you the sack just like that
[Margaret:] Isn't that pretty over there all daffs?
[Raymond:] Yes that is, yes, could do with a few more mind you, but still, that looks nice there
[Margaret:] Yes
[Raymond:] look on the left
[Margaret:] Yes they are there's a couple of in there it's lovely
[Raymond:] wow, thousands...
[Margaret:] Good evening!... What's this
[Raymond:] Evening!
[Margaret:] evening then?
[Raymond:] How are you Bri?
[Brian:] Well it's... we nearly met on the lounge as well.
[Phyllis:] Did we?
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER] No []!
[Phyllis:] Where's Bill?
[Brian:] Sussex.
[Phyllis:] We're short!
[Brian:] Oh you were
[Phyllis:] They're going do, they're coming down here.
[Brian:] But of course, but he goes
[Phyllis:] But he
[Margaret:] There wasn't!... Ta, thank
[Brian:] And
[Margaret:] you.
[Phyllis:] Yes, it was, yes Cos you called, yeah
[Raymond:] Hello Louise, how are you love?
[Margaret:] That's right,yo cos I rang you to say we weren't coming.
[Phyllis:] We thought yo, we thought we'd got
[Brian:] Erm
[Phyllis:] mixed up or something.
[Brian:] Would you like to come in I could shut the door.
[Phyllis:] right now.
[Raymond:] Do you know that address Bri?
[Phyllis:] Are you coming in?
[Brian:] Gotta pen?
[Phyllis:] you shut door.
[Margaret:] Yes, keep the heat in.
[Raymond:] Before I forget.
[Brian:] Oh aye the stuff.
[Raymond:] Well, Stockport, Brian's bound to know that.
[Brian:] What do they do?
[Raymond:] Well it's chemical... polishing and stuff like that, you know.
[Brian:] Not Stockport, I don't know
[Raymond:] No?... I just thought you might have happened to pass the
[Brian:] Nah
[Raymond:] way.
[Brian:] I'm sorry!
[Margaret:] Perhaps you might be able
[Phyllis:] What you got a microphone for?
[Margaret:] check at the er...
[Raymond:] Oh yes, mm.
[Brian:] I want to know what the microphone is? Come on!
[Raymond:] You've got eyes like a
[Brian:] I know.
[Phyllis:] What the hell's going
[Margaret:] And how
[Phyllis:] on out there?
[Margaret:] It'll be very casually.
[Phyllis:] I thank you
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] twice.
[Raymond:] Alright Phyl, how are you love?
[speaker004:] and
[Phyllis:] Hi!
[speaker004:] something new.
[Raymond:] And who's this little girl?
[Phyllis:] It's our mum!
[Raymond:] Hiya love!
[Phyllis:] Oh it's not that long!
[Margaret:] Isn't it?... Well it seems like it.
[Phyllis:] Last year probably!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] It's lucky
[Raymond:] Hey you well kid! Oh you look very well!
[Louise:] Thank you.
[Raymond:] How's things
[Phyllis:] Ho
[Raymond:] anyway?
[Phyllis:] Fine!
[Margaret:] Are you just, is this a flying is it, or
[Louise:] Yes it is, yeah.
[Raymond:] Is this your er, Orion is it?
[Margaret:] When
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Ooh nice!
[Louise:] Yeah, he's at the match so I thought I'd come down and
[Raymond:] That's my Volvo out there next to it.... The old
[Margaret:] Behind it.
[Louise:] See you see you later on.
[Phyllis:] I ca, I ca I came home the other day... and I couldn't get into!
[Louise:] That's a!
[Phyllis:] I know this car! I thought, must be nobody would go... I turned round and no plastic on it.
[Margaret:] No!
[Raymond:] When was this?
[Margaret:] there wasn't... it wasn't ours.
[Phyllis:] Near the. You know what we said?
[Margaret:] Oh alright.
[Raymond:] Ooh yes! Oh I see ye yeah.
[Louise:] So I thought I'd come down and see you.
[Margaret:] Oh that's nice! On Sunday? Yes
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Brian:] Can I just have a cup of tea? Do you want
[Margaret:] Your dad's
[Brian:] do you want?
[Phyllis:] No, you go and get a a drink!
[Margaret:] Have you only just come in Bri?
[Phyllis:] No, go and get drink!
[Brian:] No! I've been in ages.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Phyllis:] Go have your cup of tea! [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Who's driving?
[Margaret:] I'm driving.
[Brian:] Good! I can get pissed!
[Raymond:] I actually get a chance to... have a drink!
[Margaret:] You... you cheeky devil!
[Raymond:] First time this year!
[Margaret:] Do you take it in turns?
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Is it your birthday?
[Phyllis:] yeah []!
[Raymond:] I just say, is it my turn, you say no!... No!
[Margaret:] Mm mm mm.
[Raymond:] Never mind!
[Brian:] Mm!
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Raymond:] Good game!
[Brian:] You didn't wanna watch the football.
[Margaret:] No, I thought Louise was watching it, of course!
[Louise:] Yeah, yeah, that's where he went Road.
[Brian:] There's a no on the
[Margaret:] Is that whe, oh where is it Liverpool?
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Is it?
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Liverpool and who?
[Louise:] Genoa... in Italy.
[Margaret:] I don't know anyway!
[Louise:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Genoa!
[Louise:] Pardon?
[Margaret:] Genoa.
[Louise:] Genoa.
[Raymond:] Genoa.
[Brian:] Genoa.
[Raymond:] Italy.
[Phyllis:] Is this a hoax or something?
[Margaret:] No, no, it's... it's
[Phyllis:] Oh!
[Margaret:] real!
[Brian:] It's live.
[Margaret:] It's live!
[Louise:] Oh is this about Fergie?
[Margaret:] Yes, what a surprise!
[Raymond:] I think it's a shame I do.
[Louise:] Have you mum?
[Margaret:] Surprise, surprise, yes?
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Raymond:] She's been under too much stress I think.
[Louise:] Stress!... I'd love her job and her
[Phyllis:] God!
[Louise:] money!
[Phyllis:] I'm not surprised I haven't left Brian in this mess!... If she's been under stress.
[Raymond:] She's got two kids there to look after... she's devoted [LAUGHTER] to them []! [LAUGHTER] Day and night []! She doesn't even know them!
[Phyllis:] I think she'll trigger it off now, Charles and Di will be next.
[Brian:] Excuse me will you drink your tea.
[Margaret:] Well there have been rumours before.
[Phyllis:] Ah, I'll just
[Margaret:] I think
[Phyllis:] finish my tea then
[Margaret:] that erm
[Phyllis:] I'll have a drink after.
[Raymond:] Just a minute, have we come too early have we?
[Margaret:] ... Beautiful isn't it?
[Phyllis:] Yeah.... No I ju, we finished I'd
[Raymond:] Phyl hasn't had a wash!... She's drinking tea!
[Phyllis:] I've had a shower!
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Phyllis:] I said, shall I erm... shall I make a cup of tea?... Cos we would... we
[Raymond:] You carry on.
[Phyllis:] let him out... Louise came and interrupted us.
[Margaret:] Have you been at that gym tonight?
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Thought so! [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] Oh heather was thinking
[Margaret:] Mm mm mm.
[Phyllis:] of starting
[Louise:] I've had a shower and that, all the time you know besides!
[Margaret:] I didn't mean that! [LAUGHTER] I didn't mean tha []!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]... That's Louise's feet!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Louise:] Oh who's that?
[Phyllis:] It should be very
[Margaret:] [cough]
[Phyllis:] funny.... Do you have a
[Margaret:] No, no!
[Phyllis:] tape recorder hidden away in your
[Raymond:] Oh no!
[Margaret:] No I don't think they have.
[Raymond:] No!
[Phyllis:] No?
[Margaret:] He has, yeah!... And he munching peanuts, I said it'll
[Raymond:] I'll let you have go at
[Margaret:] like that, I tell you what I'll have that then.... It's just that you're munching peanuts... and all
[Raymond:] Will you behave!
[Margaret:] So what've you been doing?
[Louise:] I've been going to the gym.
[Phyllis:] Erm... went... Sa, on Sunday.
[Raymond:] Which one?
[Phyllis:] Car boot.... [whispering] He goes []!
[Margaret:] It's nothing that I hear, say not another car
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] boot sale?
[Phyllis:] Yeah.... No, we didn't come to the, oh yes we did, sorry, yes!
[Brian:] Excuse me this, this, is it on.
[Margaret:] That's... fine!... Absolutely.
[Brian:] It's all we've got.
[Phyllis:] And she's going see
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] about going.
[Brian:] She's frustrated!
[Phyllis:] Erm... well you know we had Brian's mum
[Raymond:] Well you just squeeze it.
[Phyllis:] in the afternoon so... we went out in the morning to an antique fair
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] and... had lunch out and... picked Brian's mum up... mum up in the afternoon, then thought about
[Raymond:] Which one?
[Phyllis:] having some tea.
[Margaret:] Where's your mum
[Raymond:] Which antique fair
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Phyllis:] Erm
[Raymond:] was it?
[Phyllis:] Fradgem
[Raymond:] Oh, that one again, yeah! You said it wasn't much cop
[Brian:] No!
[Raymond:] last time didn't you?
[Margaret:] Where's Fradgem
[Brian:] Wait a minute.
[Raymond:] On the hill is it?
[Brian:] No, that was er... Merseyview when it was crap! Rubbish! [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Erm
[Margaret:] No, you were right the first time boy!
[Brian:] That was crap wasn't it?
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Let's be fair!... Yeah, it was like
[Raymond:] Really Brian!
[Brian:] community... of
[Raymond:] Language!
[Louise:] I think I better come in, it wasn't at all like that when I was there.
[Margaret:] Ah, well the, it shows you, I told you it was a long time ago.
[Louise:] Yeah!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] They've deteriorated since!
[Louise:] [LAUGHTER]... I got him printing this.
[Raymond:] I get
[Phyllis:] It's just research isn't it?
[Margaret:] Yeah, it's a market research things, erm
[Raymond:] I get twenty five pound for it!
[Margaret:] erm... we're getting
[Louise:] Oh, are you doing it?
[Raymond:] All the very best!
[Margaret:] It's a voucher.
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Louise:] You're taping it... they show it to you after recording yourself then?
[Brian:] Yes
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] he has.
[Louise:] Have you?
[Raymond:] So watch your language!
[Louise:] [LAUGHTER]... You haven't?
[Brian:] Look at the microphone.
[Louise:] Turn that... thing off!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Yeah, it is crap!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] But we didn't, we didn't buy anything from so
[Brian:] There was nothing... to buy!
[Margaret:] No... was it... poor
[Brian:] It was
[Margaret:] was it?
[Brian:] It was...
[Raymond:] rubbish that was! Rubbish!
[Phyllis:] We went down to see the
[Margaret:] Raymond
[Phyllis:] cottage.
[Margaret:] you're crunching those
[Phyllis:] he went to a real
[Margaret:] !
[Phyllis:] we took too
[Brian:] yes!
[Phyllis:] and went there.
[Brian:] Those are yours aren't they Marge?
[Margaret:] Are they? Oh! Oh sorry!
[Brian:] Did you see that?
[Phyllis:] You, listen you're
[Margaret:] They were back a bit.
[Phyllis:] at the weekend I'm terribly sorry!
[Margaret:] Sorry! Sorry!
[Louise:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]... Brian's
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER] Look []!
[Raymond:] mum
[Phyllis:] Ju
[Raymond:] came
[Phyllis:] She was absolutely great this weekend!... Last weekend... well for a couple of weeks she's been on a downer.
[Brian:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Ohhh
[Phyllis:] I've had... I've had to send... over... if we see her.
[Brian:] When she's really low
[Margaret:] Cos she don't wanna
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] So anyway, I said to her the week before last when he went up on the Sunday, I said... go up there and say to her
[Brian:] Tearful.
[Phyllis:] erm
[Raymond:] All the best.
[Phyllis:] sh you know she's feeling low and she's been
[Raymond:] Oh yeah.
[Phyllis:] not taking her tablets... when you're feeling better we'll come up and pick you up... and take you out.... Course, he went on Saturday, didn't... and she was as right as rain!
[Raymond:] Mm mm mm.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] So whether it... whether she's realised this
[Margaret:] But that she thought
[Phyllis:] well if I act like this I'm no, nobody's gonna come up and
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] take me out.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] I think it's
[Phyllis:] And
[Brian:] tablets though.
[Phyllis:] Her tablets have worked have worked a lot.
[Margaret:] I was going to say, she must of decided
[Phyllis:] Well she ta
[Margaret:] to take [LAUGHTER] the medication now []!
[Phyllis:] Mm.... But you're, you're getting a cup of tea to be... we went up through... took her for a walk
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] Stopped and had a cup of tea. Only a
[Brian:] Then when i
[Phyllis:] short walk, it can't do any harm that
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] and erm... he, she sort of gets hold of your coat, how she does... and then I've got scarf on you bought me.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Ahhh []!
[Phyllis:] Yeah.... She said, and the jumper... and I've got the beads [LAUGHTER] she said!
[Margaret:] Oh!... [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] I didn't tell you... but whether i... she put them on
[Margaret:] Specially.
[Phyllis:] specially, I don't know.
[Margaret:] She must of done.
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Brian:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] And I
[Margaret:] She must of.
[Phyllis:] I don't remember buying her the jumper!
[Brian:] Mhm.
[Phyllis:] When did we
[Brian:] Yes.
[Phyllis:] buy that jumper?
[Margaret:] Well she's obviously remembered.
[Brian:] Last year.
[Phyllis:] Must of been last Christmas cos
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] we bought her beads this Christmas.
[Brian:] Yeah... it was.
[Louise:] Yeah, I know you were buying a jumper one Christmas.
[Phyllis:] And we'd had some pearls... I said, I said I don't remember buying you that, she said oh yes, she said you
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] you bought it me.
[Brian:] We always buy her that tha, well I mean we we bought her bag wi
[Phyllis:] And we bought her beads this time.
[Raymond:] Does she get er... confused with her memory and that does she or
[Phyllis:] Oh yeah.
[Brian:] Oh no!... Oh no!
[Raymond:] maybe she's
[Phyllis:] Not norma, not usually... no, she's not senile or anything.
[Brian:] If if if, if I went down there
[Phyllis:] You can tell when
[Brian:] she lets me know.
[Margaret:] Just gets depressed?
[Phyllis:] Yeah
[Brian:] Just gets depressed and
[Raymond:] That's
[Brian:] .
[Margaret:] Well don't forget, I mean... your not long... lost your dad... and erm
[Brian:] Mhm.
[Margaret:] she must... think about that a lot.
[Raymond:] Oh it's
[Brian:] Ah yeah
[Margaret:] and... and depressed and
[Brian:] Well she does... and... the hardest part, I think there... is when she comes down in the morning... and for five years he was there
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Brian:] All of sudden he's no longer there and she still has to stay like
[Raymond:] It isn't.
[Margaret:] Well she's been, yeah
[Brian:] But I mean she's in that room.
[Margaret:] In the same er... environment.
[Brian:] Same so... and he's not there.
[Raymond:] That's right.
[Brian:] And she was brilliant!
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Brian:] I mean she handled the funeral great... she handled Christmas, New Year... and... she's entitled to have downer.
[Raymond:] Ooh
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] she is!
[Brian:] Although it's... annoying at the time
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Brian:] and... and you just sort of resent... one... might resent going up there
[Phyllis:] But it's not, she's not having a downer because of your dad
[Brian:] No.
[Phyllis:] it's just a normal thing that happens
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] with her.
[Brian:] That's right.
[Margaret:] It's just grief isn't it?
[Brian:] But it
[Margaret:] I mean it erm
[Brian:] was taken on that she had one... immediately sh, we lost dad
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Brian:] and over the
[Louise:] People accept People won't be able to accept it more
[Brian:] Mm.
[Louise:] because it was after
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Louise:] people take it that... you know.
[Brian:] Well
[Margaret:] , it's different
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Oh [], take these ruddy things away for God's sake!
[Margaret:] with different people
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] and presumably different ages as well and erm... you know, there's no set rule to... to getting over... you know, the
[Brian:] No.
[Margaret:] loss of someone very close to you.... And, you've got your working day to keep you busy and all the other things that keep you occupied... and as you say, she's... she's... she's in the, the nursing home... and I mean, it's same environment all the time... so, she's bound to dwell it on longer isn't she?
[Phyllis:] She... oh well she, I mean she she always had
[Brian:] And they stopped her doing things.
[Phyllis:] Yeah, which
[Brian:] and
[Phyllis:] she
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] always has! I mean she's had... sort of... had this depression
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] and... the thing is, she sits a... she sits down too long and thinks about it.... I mean, she did it before... even
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] when dad was... alive. I mean, she doesn't read books
[Margaret:] Mm mm.
[Phyllis:] she doesn't do a... a great deal.
[Margaret:] Well I don't suppose she can do a great deal now, I mean she can't
[Raymond:] This is the one thing with these
[Phyllis:] No, but she can!
[Raymond:] homes isn't it?
[Margaret:] No but she ca, I mean she's not that
[Raymond:] O, as good as they are.
[Margaret:] active now, I mean in
[Phyllis:] Erm
[Raymond:] In a way, it's not a normal life is it, because
[Phyllis:] No when you get... she doesn't really really talk
[Raymond:] You're in that place... surrounded
[Margaret:] talk.
[Raymond:] people.
[Margaret:] No other
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] sort of
[Raymond:] I mean when she is, is on her own I presume she'd go to her room if she wants?
[Phyllis:] health reasons why
[Brian:] Oh yeah!
[Raymond:] But then well she's got nothing to do has
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] she, but the by what Phyl says, she, she doesn't read so
[Phyllis:] she said I'd like to do embroidery
[Margaret:] Embroidery or crochet or something like that.
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Brian:] She likes a, she gets a paper...
[Raymond:] Oh I see! Oh well, at least she yeah it's something you know, isn't it?
[Phyllis:] and er, she helps with a la... er... er... lady next door
[Brian:] And she reads through it.
[Phyllis:] do the
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] crossword
[Brian:] And there's other papers there
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] So they swap their papers.
[Phyllis:] But er
[Margaret:] But there's still twenty four hours to fill isn't there?
[Brian:] As far as that's concerned
[Phyllis:] And you can't she's there.
[Brian:] But she's up and down! She's helping
[Phyllis:] And the next.
[Brian:] everybody Ray.
[Phyllis:] In the house
[Raymond:] Well there you are she's
[Margaret:] Well that's what she... likes to do isn't
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] it? I mean, perhaps she's fills her day I don't know.
[Brian:] And there's a... there's three of them in this one room... in, in the bedroom... and they won't separate them cos... and she, they're good for each other.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] Erm
[Louise:] Well like, one... one night the er... one of the sisters took one of the women upstairs... and she said, I can't have my slippers there! She said, they have to be there, Gwen puts them there!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Louise:] She has to have it... and my nan always puts them in the same
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Louise:] place.
[Brian:] I we... when I
[Louise:] Same place.
[Brian:] I was there... Saturday night... er, and Saturday evening... and erm... what's her name? Dot, not Dot... who's the one... in the room?
[Louise:] Dot.
[Brian:] No... the other one, what's the name er
[Phyllis:] Oh Gladys.
[Louise:] Gladys.
[Brian:] No.... She's what's her names, Charlies grandmother.
[Louise:] Oh!
[Brian:] Winnie... erm
[Raymond:] What's wrong with you?
[Louise:] That's right, yeah.
[Brian:] She was going to bed... she had a paper under her arm and her... and her bag and she's off... and... she got up out of, so my mum said right... I'm going now... sort of, goodnight!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Brian:] And she was going upstairs to turn the bed down... she'd done it for
[Margaret:] For everybody.
[Brian:] well for the thre, for their room
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Brian:] and... this woman, she's ninety odd... and she doesn't like being in the room on her own... so when she goes to bed... mum goes with her.
[Margaret:] She's gotta accompany her.
[Brian:] Well she hasn't got to
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] but she does, she's
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Brian:] turns the beds down and that's i... But she enjoys doing it, so... that's a little bit for her to do.
[Margaret:] Well I suppose it gives her... er er, it gives her some meaning.
[Raymond:] Looking after the old girl.
[Brian:] She went in
[Louise:] Well but when she's
[Brian:] and she was upstairs cleaning the other
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Brian:] day wasn't she, she when you were there?
[Louise:] And when she's go, when she's having... having a good time... she ta, she's like one of the nurses you know, she helps them out... but when she's on her downer she'll sit there and she won't do anything
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Just as.
[Louise:] and she'll just think about it, and the more she thinks about being depressed the more she'll get depressed in thinking
[Raymond:] Worse.
[Louise:] how much she's
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Louise:] worrying everybody.
[Margaret:] Well it's extra burden isn't it?
[Louise:] So she just, yeah.
[Phyllis:] And she's giving... the other patients their pill.
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh dear!
[Louise:] Did you ever sa, you didn't say anything to her did you, about it?
[Brian:] No.
[Louise:] Cos she said to me don't tell your dad.
[Brian:] I wouldn't.
[Raymond:] What do you mean?
[Louise:] I know you wouldn't
[Phyllis:] the tray.
[Louise:] Yeah pu... putting her on the other...
[Raymond:] And are they taking them are they?
[Phyllis:] They're only... erm
[Brian:] They'll take anything!
[Phyllis:] anti-depressants tablets.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Louise:] Well... well... before they actually went out
[Raymond:] Jelly beans.
[Louise:] the... you know, the nurses and that were
[Raymond:] [cough]
[Louise:] noticing that they weren't... they get, I suppose you get to know who has what and that they thought
[Brian:] Aha.
[Louise:] well they don't have them and... then they drew them
[Raymond:] Christ!
[Louise:] out so... to keep an eye on them.
[Raymond:] That could be nasty that though
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] couldn't it?... Mind you, if they're not strong.
[Brian:] Could of been nice as well though!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Powerful these, you know!... Cloud cuckoo land!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER]
[Louise:] They phoned her up....
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] And we haven't got more really, like... like Brian's doesn't have the time
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Phyllis:] to go up.
[Margaret:] Well I mean you're both working full time aren't you?
[Brian:] Not when it's dark nights cos by the time I get home
[Louise:] The dark nights make you feel tired as well.
[Brian:] And then she was going to bed
[Raymond:] yes, it's going on isn't it?
[Brian:] say half past eight, nine o'clock.
[Raymond:] All this entertaining you do.
[Margaret:] Doesn't give you a lot of time for
[Brian:] You know
[Margaret:] by the time you get home.
[Brian:] when the light nights are here and we can stop up a bit later.
[Margaret:] Can't you take that off there because you're gonna it. oi do you know what?... He was taking this bloody little
[Raymond:] One more!
[Margaret:] thing... early in the week... out with him... and... he didn't know how to operate it, so half... the tapes, I mean... we checked them because he's... he's gotta write down who is speaking on on those tapes
[Louise:] You said they were anonymous didn't you?
[Margaret:] and... yeah, well just the first names, so that they
[Louise:] Oh I see!
[Margaret:] can identify
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] who is... saying what.
[Louise:] Ah right.
[Margaret:] They, he
[Raymond:] So it's gonna be Louise, don't worry!
[Margaret:] I didn't say anything.
[Louise:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Are there millions of the... Louises.
[Margaret:] But erm... he's, he's pressed the... play button instead of the... record button!
[Raymond:] [whispering] []
[Margaret:] And er... so they've
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER] Just tell them that []!
[Margaret:] You know there's... twenty minutes... you know... and there's half an hour of... of tape when he thought he was... taping when it was just running.
[Louise:] It's like when you were fixing the car then dad, to put it back together again. [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Can I talk about my tyres Ray? Can I see if my
[Phyllis:] I'll have a
[Brian:] tyres are there?
[Phyllis:] a small sherry please Brian.
[Louise:] Okay, we'll have to make a move, I don't wanna leave it
[Brian:] Alright then.
[Louise:] too late before we go back.
[Margaret:] Have you gotta go and collect
[Brian:] No.
[Louise:] Oh no no, he's at football... they're getting a mini, minibus back.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Brian:] Go on let's get rid of you now! Go on!
[Louise:] Hang on!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Louise:] I'm scratching my leg!
[Margaret:] You're gonna get thrown out you know?
[Raymond:] How's your little yo little house coming?
[Louise:] Pardon?
[Raymond:] How's your house coming on?
[Louise:] It's alright, we're not in there... at the moment.
[Raymond:] No, no but mum was saying
[Louise:] His dad's still in there.
[Raymond:] that...
[Margaret:] Doing some work now for... Oh no
[Louise:] Mm.
[Margaret:] you're getting all the... ready.
[Louise:] Yeah, and he bought... bought bits and that, and I got my little book, you know, my pictures in haven't I? Of what I want and that.... [LAUGHTER] I gotta have now cos we'd have stick it in my little book []!
[Margaret:] Items I will... require.
[Louise:] Mm.... We bought er... a solid door... for the front.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Louise:] Er
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] And somebody's gonna do the windows aren't they?
[Louise:] Yeah.... But... like,wi with the door... Dave's mum's sister... was... rubbing it in to try and say to his nan that we were kicking her out... and... so she got a bit funny over it! So we sort of like... trying to hang on for the time being about the door.... She's coming round,sh you know, she understands it's for her benefit as well because the doors on the council houses they're... like that, just... rotten!
[Raymond:] Yes, they're all the same
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] aren't they?
[Louise:] So, we thought we, no, we're not gonna do the windows or anything till we're in it, we don't want her to think er... well it's the same place
[Brian:] Well yeah.... Yeah.
[Louise:] I mean she's lived there fo, since the... there was... how many?
[Phyllis:] She doesn't use the upstairs at all does she?
[Louise:] No.
[Phyllis:] She can't.
[Louise:] She just uses like, the kitchen... and the
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Louise:] the front room, yeah.
[Margaret:] Just a few rooms, like this.
[Phyllis:] Like that's hard work for Maureen cos she has to go down and help her.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] You know, sort her meals out and then come back home... that's why she wants them to move in... with her, cos they got like a little... self contained flat there
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] I dunno but... she could... she could have with a special facility for
[Raymond:] Great!
[Phyllis:] showers and... things
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] like that, where she could cope on her own.
[Louise:] Yeah, I mean she's got e... you know, it's like her own little place it must be... the bedroom must be
[Phyllis:] It's quite spacious.
[Brian:] About this long is it?
[Phyllis:] Yeah, I'd say from about here
[Brian:] Round to reach that room.
[Louise:] Oh, longer!
[Phyllis:] ... room.
[Louise:] No, it'll be longer because you've got the shower unit and everything
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Louise:] there, like the bathroom.
[Phyllis:] Yeah, own private shower unit, with a special seat... so she could sit and have a shower.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Louise:] I mean Maureen
[Margaret:] As one of the safety features for the
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] flat.
[Louise:] Maureen hasn't worked for the last few years... and she's ill herself, she's got hepatitis B.
[Raymond:] Good grief!
[Margaret:] Ooh well!
[Louise:] Which she caught through erm... one of
[Margaret:] Blood?
[Louise:] the patients... the blood on one of the patients!... So she
[Raymond:] It's a terrible thing really!
[Louise:] you know she hasn't worked so... she thinks that, you know, save her having to get up early in the morning, go and do the fire
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Louise:] get it all sorted out.
[Phyllis:] I see if the coal, other than, she does normally goes down and makes
[Raymond:] Ohhh right!
[Phyllis:] it up
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] and
[Margaret:] Mm... a lot
[Phyllis:] and i
[Margaret:] of work isn't it?
[Phyllis:] it's bad enough in your house, they have to physically go out and do it for somebody else.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] I said to Bonny you know be careful and wear rubber gloves all the time, but she said well you can't always.
[Raymond:] Oh for the hepatitis?
[Brian:] Can't get it can you?
[Phyllis:] No.
[Margaret:] You know I mean, if you're a nurse oh it's erm
[Phyllis:] They are very careful now though.... I mean, when you go to give blood... they use a, a pair of gloves every time.
[Raymond:] Time.
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] And... everything they use again
[Raymond:] Same needle.
[Phyllis:] it's a... no it's a... no, it's in a sealed sterile pack
[Margaret:] Very funny!
[Brian:] No, you can always tell the
[Margaret:] Very droll!
[Brian:] ones who are making black puddings!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Oh! Oh []!
[Brian:] It's up to here, isn't it? You know they
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Louise:] Hey, come on!... The er... I re, I better leave your magazine.
[Phyllis:] I'll see you later.
[Brian:] Go on get your shoes on and hurry up!
[Louise:] Alright! I'm coming!
[Brian:] Come on!... Come on!
[Louise:] I must read the magazine I've just bought.
[Brian:] This is our night!... Where's my nights?...
[Louise:] I thought cos I thought what a load of
[Brian:] Sorry microphone!
[Louise:] cobblers! You know these... you know, oh!
[Margaret:] What? Go on, take no notice of him!
[Louise:] You know these... magazines that the Jehovah's... Jehovah's Witnesses
[Phyllis:] It's
[Raymond:] Mhm.
[Phyllis:] gonna be your next Jehovah's Witnesses talk!
[Louise:] Erm... the, give these magazines out don't they?
[Margaret:] Awake.
[Raymond:] Oh
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] yeah! The Wa, this is
[Louise:] Have you ever seen one?
[Raymond:] the Watchtower isn't it?
[Margaret:] We get them frequently!
[Raymond:] The Watchtower?
[Louise:] This one... it was saying about blood transfusions
[Margaret:] A million.
[Brian:] What's it about?
[Louise:] it really does!
[Margaret:] Well that's what they believe in.
[Raymond:] Oh yeah,the they've said
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] that for years!
[Louise:] It said
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Louise:] that at last two thousand people
[Margaret:] One of their main
[Louise:] die each year!
[Margaret:] Fidos isn't it?
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Louise:] And I think well... just think how many people would die if they didn't have the transfusions! But they don't
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Louise:] put the figures for that do they?
[Raymond:] Oh they're nutters they are!
[Phyllis:] Yeah!
[Raymond:] I won't argue with her now.
[Phyllis:] Now do you see?
[Raymond:] I'll just say I'm sorry!
[Brian:] Sorry!
[Louise:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Go!
[Brian:] It's not worth arguing with them is it?
[Phyllis:] Well is that it?
[Raymond:] Oh it's
[Louise:] Yeah.... Right, I'll see you... at the weekend. See you again Margaret!
[Margaret:] Bye love! Take care.
[Raymond:] See you love! Take care... erm, Louise.
[Louise:] No, I won't!
[Brian:] Take care.
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] You might as well take that off cos it's going to sound awful, you munching in your mouth!
[Raymond:] I'll, that's all.
[Margaret:] I hope the.
[Louise:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Goodbye.... Say hello to Dave won't you?
[Louise:] Yeah, I will, yeah. I am, yeah.
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] Can't you take.
[Louise:] .
[Margaret:] Did you... sponge those trousers down... Matthew's dog jumped all over you.
[Raymond:] No, they look alright now.
[Margaret:] Oh it's washed off has it?
[Raymond:] Must of been clean... mud, I dunno!
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Brian:] will be there.
[Phyllis:] That's why we want company.
[Louise:] Yeah.
[Brian:] Alright love... take care won't you?
[Raymond:] It's clean Margaret!
[Phyllis:] Bye!
[Brian:] Bye love!
[Raymond:] Bye!
[Margaret:] Mm.... That was unexpected wasn't it?
[Brian:] Yes.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Totally!
[Phyllis:] Totally what?
[Brian:] Unexpected.
[Margaret:] Unexpected.... Seeing Louise
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] tonight?
[Phyllis:] Said she'd be back at the weekend.
[Margaret:] It must be a month since you've seen her?
[Phyllis:] Mm, she's, she pops down when she can.... Dave doesn't.
[Brian:] Nice.
[Phyllis:] Never comes with Dave very often.
[Raymond:] It's a good run isn't it? You know, if er... I mean, if you work.
[Margaret:] Well that's only half an hour isn't it?... From Wrexham.
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Brian:] you know.
[Phyllis:] About twenty minutes where they are.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] Maybe about five minutes.
[Brian:] She's alright.
[Margaret:] And how's Mark?
[Brian:] I've
[Phyllis:] Fine.
[Brian:] I'm finished with.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] He's out cleaning.
[Brian:] I will one of these days.
[Phyllis:] He's got exams coming up... in April.... Debbie's... doing half her training at the moment, she's erm... training... to be a financial advisor.
[Margaret:] You said she was going.
[Raymond:] Oh yes, she was saying, very good! Yeah she
[Phyllis:] So she has to go on a... a Monday night, and she's had a few day courses as well. She's
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] had to go in the day.
[Margaret:] When's she taking the exam?
[Phyllis:] I don't know, but she's been doing it for a while.
[Raymond:] Do they get a wage, you know for when they become a... like you know
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] a financial advisor say with... a building society?
[Phyllis:] Oh yes, she'll get a
[Margaret:] But do they give it to her?
[Raymond:] No is it a... is it a wage or
[Margaret:] in the sense or
[Phyllis:] She gets a wage.
[Margaret:] So, they're working
[Raymond:] Full stop?
[Margaret:] for a company?
[Raymond:] But I imagine they got
[Phyllis:] Not if they don't work or something, do they? They're independent.
[Raymond:] Well the one that saw us worked for Halifax.
[Phyllis:] Yes, they work... th... if I pay was salary but there it's... and the
[Margaret:] And they
[Phyllis:] they're not usually allowed to... recommend just the Halifax.... They offer to recommend
[Margaret:] That's right.
[Phyllis:] what's best for you.
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Phyllis:] That's why they're independent.
[Margaret:] That's right, and she didn't... ta erm... we didn't do this erm
[Raymond:] Oh well!
[Margaret:] er... annuity with
[Brian:] Where's my?
[Margaret:] at the Halifax. But whereas agency could verify these. Erm
[Brian:] Not what's its?
[Margaret:] it was another company you know? And she said
[Phyllis:] I know.
[Margaret:] well it's up to you
[Raymond:] And we
[Margaret:] we, you know, we don't... this is the best one.
[Phyllis:] Just there to say what's the best.
[Margaret:] Cos I for what they want. You know?
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Raymond:] And do.
[Margaret:] And they will go by what you want from it... for the o, over the next... few years you know?
[Brian:] Honestly they.
[Margaret:] But erm... so er... I mean, but I I often wondered whether she got... commission from that... or, or not if they're supposed
[Brian:] You got the headphones for it?
[Margaret:] to be independent? Presumably they don't.
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] And she was very nice!
[Phyllis:] I think they don't.
[Margaret:] And er... er, talk about being nice, but she really But we've in knew
[Raymond:] the machine you know?
[Brian:] Mhm.
[Margaret:] you know, everything
[Raymond:] and
[Margaret:] that
[Raymond:] filling in the... thing every day.
[Margaret:] their best one
[Brian:] Oh I see it
[Margaret:] you know, and it was there at their fingertips.... Very good! Very efficient!
[Raymond:] Twenty tapes to
[Brian:] That's fair enough. Can you keep
[Phyllis:] them.
[Brian:] this after?
[Raymond:] Down there.
[Margaret:] No, not that.
[Raymond:] Chewing now Margaret!
[Margaret:] No, I'm not!
[Raymond:] You are, I saw you!
[Margaret:] You are!... He had a cup of tea at Carrie's today... [LAUGHTER] []... just... you know, checking the tape and making sure that... people's names are on it... in the correct order [LAUGHTER] and what did you do []?
[Phyllis:] Go on!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] You don't take it to bed with that do you?
[Margaret:] Wouldn't make any difference anyway Brian!
[Brian:] But tha
[Margaret:] You'd only get snoring on it!
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] Hey, you could tape him in the night so he can believe you next time, that he snores!
[Margaret:] I might do that actually, yes.
[Brian:] He doesn't snore do you mate?
[Raymond:] What about you waking up and sno... talking!
[Margaret:] That's because of the snoring an
[Brian:] Well that's alright.
[Raymond:] Woke up one night and I heard this voice er... can't remember what you said now no... hey!
[Brian:] Get off!
[Raymond:] I almost went yo totally deaf then for about two hours an
[Margaret:] Good!
[Raymond:] you'd gone to sleep!
[Margaret:] Well you know what it's like now to be woken up in the night!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Brian:] We were woken up by
[Margaret:] It's terrible!
[Brian:] some noisy... rowdy neighbours or... i no, I don't think they were neighbours were they?
[Phyllis:] Oh, Saturday night, yes!
[Margaret:] You don't know who it was?
[Brian:] We had an early night, I mean we were literally shattered!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] Erm... so... by about nine o'clock we absolutely knackered so... we went to bed.
[Phyllis:] About half past nine wasn't it?
[Brian:] Mm.... I mean, we'd just gone... straight away well in fact, we fell asleep down here that's why we went.
[Phyllis:] You did!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] Alright, I did!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... You went first!
[Brian:] I know!... So that's why we went to bed and erm... two o'clock in morning we heard this... football being kicked... o on the main road at the side there.
[Margaret:] Well that's not neighbours is it?
[Brian:] Well... no.... And then I heard some shouting and I, I looked out of the window, I mean it woke us up!
[Phyllis:] Then he got dressed, then he went and shut the gates, then he came
[Brian:] Well I'd le
[Phyllis:] back in!
[Brian:] I left the gates open.
[Margaret:] What time was it, two o'clock?
[Brian:] Two o'clock in the morning.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] And I'd left the gates open an... oh it was Friday!... Not Saturday.... Friday night.... Wasn't Friday night, it was Saturday, course it was!... Anyway... er... I went out and... I shut the gates and just let them know that... you know, they'd sort of I wa I was checking
[Margaret:] Wait a minute! Now there was something in the paper tonight about the... ruckus... you said I'll have to ask Brian about that.
[Raymond:] It was at the mechanics wasn't it?
[Margaret:] What... what night was that?... Was that Saturday?
[Raymond:] There was seventy people fighting outside a mechanics!
[Margaret:] That's right! And you said about that.
[Phyllis:] Ooh I didn't hear that!
[Margaret:] You did
[Raymond:] Last night.
[Margaret:] It was... oh was it las
[Phyllis:] Last night?
[Margaret:] Last night? Are you sure?... Oh!... Well perhaps it wasn't.
[Raymond:] Yes, well they're not that bad in the news are they?
[Margaret:] Well I... [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] I know they're slow... but
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] it's not an... it's not instant reporting []!
[Raymond:] No the war's over!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Like I said they we erm... th... th... didn't say whether they were connected with pub. There's some suggestion that they weren't. Well the men from mechanics weren't they?
[Raymond:] The gang was from erm... where did it say now?... I dunno!...
[Margaret:] I haven't, I didn't read it actually you sa what you told me.
[Raymond:] Outside the mechanics.
[Brian:] Oh it's raining!
[Margaret:] But you didn't hear anything last night?
[Brian:] No.
[Raymond:] So they've arrested... there
[Phyllis:] No.
[Raymond:] were three... three in court anyway, I hope they've all this lot.... It's stupid!
[Margaret:] Well, so, no it wasn't Saturday night then. So what happened when you got out?
[Brian:] Well I went outside and I shut my gates and... they saw... I mean, er I was looking at them as I was shutting the gate, there's only... three of them!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] And a couple of girls... so they got the message and then the... they moved off down... towar... down the bottom.... And then there's a bit more shouting... and they ran through the entry.
[Margaret:] Were they... drunk?
[Brian:] Oh, they were drunk!... Anyway, er... got back to bed
[Phyllis:] They weren't doing any harm were they?
[Brian:] No.
[Phyllis:] Just noisy.
[Margaret:] Just noisy.
[Brian:] They were just noisy and I thought well... this, I've left my gates open
[Raymond:] Well, it's breaking the law isn't it?
[Phyllis:] Oh yeah.
[Brian:] Oh yeah, but by the time you ring the police Ray... and the
[Phyllis:] They've gone.
[Brian:] come
[Margaret:] By the time they respond you mean!
[Brian:] That's right!
[Raymond:] Well, don't.
[Brian:] Then it's all quiet and we've
[Raymond:] Wouldn't be very hard to find them on the streets would it?
[Margaret:] Oh no.
[Brian:] And when the police car comes round Ray... and they can't do anything until they actually ca... hear them.
[Raymond:] They
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] hide I suppose when they see the
[Brian:] Oh,ye, even if they're just quiet
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] all the police can do is tell them... you know?
[Raymond:] They shouldn't be on the
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] streets at two o'clock!
[Brian:] Oh!... Why not?
[Phyllis:] Why not?
[Margaret:] Yes... why not?
[Brian:] They could be walking home from anywhere!
[Raymond:] Don't walk home!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] It's no... no they have to be hearing something... they
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] have to making a nuisance of themselves otherwise the police
[Raymond:] I don't know
[Brian:] can't
[Margaret:] You have to be able to
[Raymond:] I
[Margaret:] the police can't stop you.
[Raymond:] What are you
[Brian:] Oh.
[Raymond:] doing?
[Brian:] Yeah!... They can ask that.
[Phyllis:] The problem is
[Margaret:] As long as you're going somewhere
[Phyllis:] we'd gone to bed early... and we'd had our deepest sleep... and of course we were
[Brian:] I told you that.
[Phyllis:] our slee, sleep was getting lighter at two o'clock.... Maybe we'd
[Margaret:] That's right!
[Phyllis:] gone to bed... at half past
[Margaret:] At midnight.
[Phyllis:] eleven
[Raymond:] I wouldn't of heard it.
[Brian:] I would!
[Phyllis:] I doubt if we'd heard it.
[Brian:] I wouldn't sleep
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] through that though!... No way!... Well, they moved off and then... just getting back to sleep... must of been half an hour... after we'd... and heard this voice shout... what you doing?... as if erm... no, what's up with you now he said? That's what it was.... And I looked out the window, I couldn't see anybody... next thing a car moved off... so... whether it was same crowd I don't
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] know.... But that was all... I mean... after that... there was no... vandalism.
[Margaret:] Trouble is when it's so... deadly quiet in the middle of the night as it is here
[Raymond:] And you don't expect it do you?
[Margaret:] okay, so it does disturb you.
[Brian:] But, and this is like a... er... a wind tunnel... cos down between the house here
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] sometimes, and if anybody's over there
[Phyllis:] You think they're in the back don't you?
[Brian:] it sounds as if they're in the back garden or something! you see.
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] And it's because of the... channel between the two houses, and it really does
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Brian:] literally... come down
[Margaret:] Funnel the sound.... Yeah.
[Brian:] Mm.... And i i it magnifies the sound as it's coming through... so you're lying there and you think, there's somebody in the back!
[Phyllis:] Plus we've got a leak in one of the erm... er... gutters... I mean, so when it rains it goes drip, drip, drip and it pours down
[Raymond:] Oh yeah.
[Phyllis:] when it's that bad.
[Brian:] They're only clip, and I mean, I've gotta get up there and
[Margaret:] Scrape them out.
[Brian:] They're only clipped together, oh no there is a plastic, the the... new ones.
[Raymond:] Oh they're
[Margaret:] Oh, so it's
[Brian:] It's only clipped together
[Margaret:] come a come apart has it?
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Brian:] So I shall
[Phyllis:] We moaned about Jeffs, and ours is just as bad! Ours is flooded!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Get Phyl on your shoulders!
[Brian:] I got the ladder.
[Margaret:] Well it's alright as your er, okay with heights... and I mean
[Brian:] I'm not
[Margaret:] no, I'm no good... one
[Raymond:] She's bloody hopeless this one!
[Brian:] And especially when it's on the cor
[Raymond:] Oh, I'm terrified!
[Brian:] and it's on the corner so it's a difficult... I mean it's right down.
[Margaret:] Oh yeah, it's at angle yeah!
[Brian:] So it's... I mean you
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Brian:] put the ladder on the ang... right on the cor
[Raymond:] That's a long way up isn't it Bri?
[Brian:] It's a long way down Ray!
[Phyllis:] Shall I ask the window cleaner to do it?
[Brian:] Do what, sorry?
[Phyllis:] Fix it when he's up there.
[Brian:] What's he gonna do?
[Raymond:] Confessions of a window cleaner.
[Brian:] Can't through there Ray.... Cos I need a wall there to give me so But... that's our little story for
[Raymond:] Oh yes!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] the evening.
[Margaret:] Well, how eventful... week!
[Raymond:] We went to erm... go on, you tell her, you're gonna jump in aren't you?
[Margaret:] No, no.
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Margaret:] Only when you say, what did we do?... Or... is, what happened
[Phyllis:] Oh we went bowling.
[Margaret:] next?
[Phyllis:] We went bowling after the shopping on Saturday.
[Margaret:] Well that was exciting!
[Brian:] Ten pin bowling.
[Margaret:] Just the two of you?
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Er do you mind?... We ne but er
[Brian:] Excuse me!... Yo you tell your story!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] No, we went out on Sat, er Sunday to erm... where did we go?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] Isn't he right twit!
[Margaret:] We went to
[Raymond:] I wanted some foam an and... material for these chairs and divan
[Phyllis:] We
[Raymond:] chairs.
[Phyllis:] I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't pass you cos we went, we came back that way.
[Brian:] Excuse me!
[Margaret:] Probably did.
[Phyllis:] Did you go to look
[Brian:] Shut up!
[Phyllis:] at that?
[Margaret:] We went on the top road.
[Brian:] Yes.
[Phyllis:] Yes.... I said to... and we stopped at the market on the way back.
[Margaret:] Abugally
[Phyllis:] Er... no the Ship market.
[Margaret:] Oh no.... We went
[Brian:] The what?
[Margaret:] to Abugally... It's near the Town Hall, it's a... the market was there so
[Phyllis:] It's really good that market!
[Brian:] She sa, she sa market... they were
[Margaret:] Ah but what was the weather like?
[Phyllis:] We went to the market
[Margaret:] On Sunday
[Brian:] I mean there is a load of!
[Margaret:] Go in erm, Abugally market we hadn't got any... we got there, we didn't have a pound coin for the... what's a name?... Machine.
[Brian:] For parking, yes.
[Margaret:] And Ray... went to this little cubby hole where these... two fellers were... one of them looked like a policeman didn't he?... Said, have you got any change for the machine? Said, oh no mate! So, Ray said... well what are you gonna do?... [LAUGHTER] And they sort of said, well... we'll have you!... You know have you arrested sort of thing []!
[Raymond:] Well I says are you gonna clamp me or... he said well we'll tow you away he said!
[Brian:] I bet they Ray!... They go
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] So anyway I said, oh well... get some change... and I was on the point of sa... I said to Margaret shall we... jump in the ruddy car and we'll get back.
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] And then
[Margaret:] We should of just got in the car and left there and then, parked
[Raymond:] I'm
[Margaret:] round the corner!
[Raymond:] I'm too soft like that.
[Phyllis:] Stick to the
[Raymond:] Anyway
[Phyllis:] , it's only a pound.
[Margaret:] A pound!... well we were only
[Raymond:] got the foam
[Margaret:] there for five minutes!
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] got the foam so... that's what we went there for, this... this horrible night!
[Phyllis:] The foam?
[Margaret:] Somebody's chairs
[Raymond:] and you fo fo fo foam!
[Margaret:] Oh foam!
[Raymond:] Ah this.... Any rate... we thought it mi, d ew, ereht togrday
[Margaret:] Kinsale Hall.
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] It obviously wasn't.
[Brian:] No, that wasn't shut.
[Phyllis:] I was gonna... we
[Brian:] Cos we went up past there.
[Raymond:] Was it?
[Margaret:] To get... well he en, insisted on driving all the way up the drive, I said if it were on... there would be a
[Raymond:] I didn't!
[Margaret:] sign at the gate!
[Raymond:] You said go there!
[Brian:] Did you come back down to the
[Raymond:] No
[Brian:] main road, and it choc-a-block then!
[Raymond:] No we were alright.
[Phyllis:] Oh yeah, it were!
[Brian:] Cos I went up then past
[Raymond:] Well I didn't
[Brian:] Kinsale Hall and up
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] through... and carried on up through
[Margaret:] What time was that when you
[Raymond:] Well we missed any traffic.
[Brian:] It was about four o'clock wasn't it?
[Margaret:] Oh no, we were in the mi... well late morning.
[Brian:] Oh no!
[Margaret:] Half eleven.
[Raymond:] But anyway
[Brian:] No.
[Raymond:] we went to Conway I said the mike was on, he said
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Unintentionally left it on while []
[Raymond:] what's her name that opened the er... antique
[Margaret:] but
[Raymond:] place.
[Margaret:] we were heading for Llandudno junction.
[Raymond:] Llandudno junction.... They weren't open.
[Margaret:] Like you say, I'm sure it's only us that does
[Raymond:] Collingdale
[Margaret:] Oh it's here! Go, go this way!... And I checked we were on the causeway.
[Raymond:] Well Margaret guided us to ruddy Conway in er, anyway, we got there and we had a bit of a... bar snack didn't we?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] Did you have a look at the new... Conway... telephone
[Margaret:] No.
[Brian:] centre?
[Raymond:] It's over the road to it
[Margaret:] .
[Raymond:] you know, but I mean... short of... actually going through it, which we'd no need to, we thought
[Brian:] No.
[Raymond:] I liked it!... I must be nineteen fifty three the last time I went to... Conway
[Brian:] It's all changed now.
[Raymond:] The cinema's still there but it's now, what is it, Bingo hall now?
[Margaret:] Well I do, I mean I didn't know it anyway.
[Raymond:] saw the... Eye of the monkey there.
[Phyllis:] But they
[Brian:] It's built the back from the main road now Ray.
[Raymond:] Mm.... Is it?
[Brian:] Because of the new road.
[Raymond:] Like I say, it's a long time.
[Brian:] Mm.
[Raymond:] And I said to Margaret, ooh I sa the smallest house in Britain, is is in Conway
[Margaret:] Mm.... estuary.
[Raymond:] Cos we just went onto the front
[Brian:] And there it is.
[Raymond:] Mm....
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... And this great big long board.
[Raymond:] It took you from to there!
[Margaret:] Brawith House... [LAUGHTER] pointing... and the roof's only about three feet long []!
[Raymond:] You don't open one window it's it sort of thing...
[Brian:] A ruddy doll's house is it?
[Margaret:] Mm.... Well, no
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] no!... It's er
[Raymond:] It is an actual house, you know.
[Margaret:] It it's sort of we... almost like an end of terrace, if you like and the roads
[Raymond:] Free to go in and look round, I don't think it's open
[Margaret:] But it's only the width of the front door and a window.
[Brian:] Yeah, well you said the roof's only... well
[Margaret:] it's it is it's a, it's the
[Raymond:] Oh it's
[Margaret:] width of a door.
[Raymond:] No it isn't, it's... it's a le
[Margaret:] That's all it is!
[Raymond:] Well the door was... wa wasn't as wide as the walls was it?
[Margaret:] Wasn't
[Raymond:] It's
[Margaret:] much... there was
[Brian:] Three foot first,.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... There were only a few inches
[Raymond:] No it'll be from here
[Margaret:] either side of the door weren't there?
[Raymond:] Yo, about the width of your... settee, I would imagine, the house.
[Margaret:] Well I didn't think it was that wide. It's ridiculous!
[Phyllis:] And how high?...
[Margaret:] Normal height
[Raymond:] It was almost
[Margaret:] As I say it was tapped on to a row.
[Raymond:] so
[Margaret:] So there they had to be
[Brian:] How do you sleep? Standing up?... Sounds like a.
[Margaret:] Well
[Raymond:] On the end of the wardrobe!
[Margaret:] I suppose it was deep.... Probably went back a few
[Phyllis:] It was the dwarfs.
[Margaret:] feet you know,ha
[Raymond:] Skinny people!
[Margaret:] just a... a novelty.
[Brian:] So you enjoyed your run up?... I tell you what... where what we've found
[Margaret:] Well we were gonna have a look at the antique places but none of them were open.
[Phyllis:] Where, where
[Brian:] You know
[Phyllis:] did we go when we went up
[Brian:] you know the Tudor Rose?
[Raymond:] Yes, we do know that.
[Phyllis:] Oh yes, we found
[Brian:] Well
[Phyllis:] a nice place, a meal didn't we?
[Brian:] We found a lovely place up, but for a Sunday lunch.
[Margaret:] Oh, Ken was asking us about that.
[Brian:] Three ninety five.
[Margaret:] Oh I must tell him then!... Where was it?
[Brian:] And it's
[Raymond:] Tudor Rose.
[Brian:] No.
[Phyllis:] It's
[Brian:] You know as yo... yup yup yup shut!... I if you're coming up from... Deeside now towards the Queen's Ferry sort of... Tudor Rose, you come to the traffic lights, then you go
[Phyllis:] Instead of turning left
[Raymond:] Lost!
[Phyllis:] turn right.
[Brian:] Instead of turning left, turn right.
[Raymond:] Hold on, your mother's lost!
[Margaret:] Wait a minute, I'm lost! Coming up... say
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] that again.
[Brian:] Coming up from
[Raymond:] Queen's Ferry
[Brian:] Queen's Ferry
[Raymond:] Two Mills
[Brian:] You know the Two
[Raymond:] Turn right.
[Brian:] Mills
[Margaret:] Oh yeah.
[Brian:] Yeah, you have
[Margaret:] Mhm.
[Brian:] a Little Chef on your right
[Raymond:] Little Chef.
[Brian:] turn right there... and go about half... half a mile, three quarters of a mile down, you got The Yacht... pub
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Brian:] it's been there years!
[Raymond:] Is that on the right or the left?
[Brian:] On the right, just set back a bit.
[Raymond:] Oh we've seen it, yeah.
[Brian:] But it's a Miller's Kitchen now.
[Raymond:] This is between there and then the... Monty's of Leicester
[Brian:] Monty's of Leicester... Yep!... And it's
[Raymond:] Right.
[Brian:] absolutely... it's three ninety five
[Raymond:] That's good, yeah!
[Brian:] and
[Phyllis:] That must be about
[Brian:] it's for your roast.
[Phyllis:] only if you like roast.
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh well that's no good to us is it?
[Brian:] No, it's three ninety five
[Margaret:] No, I meant for Ken he's
[Brian:] is your roast
[Margaret:] Ken asked us for
[Brian:] But you can
[Margaret:] a good place for Sunday Lunch.
[Brian:] there's a choice of two vegetarian meals... which are four twenty five aren't they?
[Raymond:] Oh they do, I see that yeah, yeah.
[Brian:] But... what they do, because of the volume
[Phyllis:] If you want the traditional lunch... you have to have
[Brian:] The roast or
[Phyllis:] beef
[Brian:] whatever or
[Phyllis:] which is rib beef, Yorkshire
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] pudding... and it is
[Brian:] Absolutely nice!
[Phyllis:] it is nice cos when Brian ordered I said I'll have chicken... and he
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] came back and said well you can't have chicken cos [LAUGHTER] [whispering] they only [whispering]... they don't do chicken []... and er
[Brian:] I would preferred the chi
[Margaret:] So you're supposed to have... what
[Phyllis:] So I had it, and honestly I did enjoy it, and it wasn't tough and it wasn't... you didn't have to chew it!
[Brian:] It was nice and, I mean you got... ooh quite a lot of beef, and it was nice beef!
[Margaret:] Mhm.
[Brian:] And you had... roast potatoes... new potatoes
[Phyllis:] Yorkshire pudding.
[Brian:] Yorkshi, big Yorkshire pud... two veg
[Phyllis:] Well carrots and green beans.
[Brian:] and they were fresh weren't they?
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Brian:] So it was a nice meal.
[Raymond:] That's good!
[Brian:] But it
[Raymond:] That's very cheap!
[Margaret:] and the deserts
[Brian:] got
[Margaret:] no?
[Brian:] No, that was just fo, oh well I mean it's..., but for three ninety five it was just your roast that's it.... But i it was well worth
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Brian:] that.... I mean
[Margaret:] Well
[Brian:] it was absolutely choc-a-block!
[Margaret:] Well we we're going round Conways we sa, we'd gone into a pub for erm... we had sort of granary baps didn't we? And salad.... And we sort of walked round the town and back to where we'd parked the car... and there were... there were places... you know, pubs and cafes which are
[Raymond:] Lot of eating places there and yet is was empty!
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Well we weren't... anyway there was very few pe, I mean at this time of the year I suppose but... there was one place and it said Sunday lunch, there was a sort of black board outside, Sunday lunch... erm... four pound... was it four fifty... it was four fifty wasn't it?
[Raymond:] Think so.
[Margaret:] And it was a starter, it was soup for a starter, and it was
[Raymond:] There was a sweet board as well.
[Margaret:] roast beef... or pork
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] and... a choice of two deserts, which was... treacle pudding or some, whatever else it was!
[Phyllis:] That's good!
[Margaret:] Cos I did look i, I said to Ray, good God! And we'd paid two ninety five
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] for our baps and a bit a salad, you know! And I said really, it's cheaper to have er... a full... you know, I mean you wouldn't want an evening meal obviously if you had that cos if
[Phyllis:] Well it all depends... if it's value for money... because we... er, we fe... we felt that it's only one day.... We stopped at this place
[Margaret:] You got bulk pra... quantity rather than quality in there!
[Phyllis:] And it was... oh!... Erm... tinned
[Brian:] two ninety
[Phyllis:] meat
[Brian:] two ninety five wasn't it?
[Phyllis:] and vegetables!
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Brian:] Three course for Sunday lunch.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] And it was a three co, it was a three course... Sunday lunch.
[Brian:] It was sliced roast beef that comes out of er
[Phyllis:] Sliced roast beef It looked as if it
[Brian:] a foil!
[Phyllis:] it was
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] like the stuff you get from
[Margaret:] Microwave.
[Phyllis:] the shop.
[Raymond:] Wouldn't eat it!
[Brian:] The Bird's Eye stuff you know?
[Phyllis:] Already cooked.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] Erm... and really, you only got what you paid for.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] And we thought we er, we... we should of realised
[Raymond:] That one was cheap.
[Phyllis:] it was cheap. Yeah, two, something, like
[Brian:] Well this
[Phyllis:] two something, two sixty five or something!
[Margaret:] Mm.... Which is near impossible!
[Brian:] But said that they went on... Tuesday evening... they had some people over... and they were looking... we were gonna go for a meal in Chorley... er... they'd come over from Grantham, and they were going... over on the night... on the night ferry, on night boat... from Hollyhead. They were going to Ireland.... Rather than, sort of, go from Manchester by plane... what, they decided they'd drive down... and take the car over... so... we were supposed to be going for a meal... and... they said, where shall we go for a meal?... Well I said... you're going towards... Hollyhead... I'm going towards... North Wales... why not en-route... let's find somewhere and stop and have a meal there, rather than have a meal in Chorley and have to drive all the way down.
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Brian:] And that way, it was sort of an hours drive... from Chorley... to... The Two Mills... for
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] them.... So they only had two hours further on to go from The Two Mills then... to Hollyhead basically.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] So... we were gonna go to The Two Mills... but I've heard about the Miller's Kitchen... so I thought, we'll try it.... Anyway... erm... my meal, mine... my two course, I had erm... home-made soup, and you get this erm... massive great wedge
[Raymond:] [cough]
[Brian:] massive wedge of
[Raymond:] [cough]
[Brian:] granary bread... and... and you get your fro,yo yo your soup... and then I had... er... the home-made steak and kidney pie, you know
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] I mean, I like that... and I had a couple of cups of coffee, I think mine came to about five thirty five.
[Margaret:] That's very good though isn't it?
[Brian:] But... I mean, wasn't paying for it, they were paying for it
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] but... by doing it that way, I mean I... Phyl was... er... bowling Tuesday night... and I said I was... probably having a meal out anyway
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] so there was nothing... going to waste... and it was nice for me because once we'd said goodbye... I just had ten minutes, quarter of hour drive home
[Margaret:] And you were home.
[Brian:] and I was home.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] But they had a meal... erm... rather than
[Margaret:] And a break... from the journey.
[Brian:] And a break, yeah.... That's right!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] So all they had to do then was go on to Hollyhead and they were refreshed... they'd had a meal so they wouldn't be... dying of hunger.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] So, it worked ideal, and that's when I first found this place... or heard about it well I heard.
[Phyllis:] No, somebody told us about it didn't they?
[Brian:] Oh yeah! Jack and Pauline had been er... but we've never... er... ventured to it.
[Raymond:] Right.
[Brian:] But on a Sunday... erm... the restaurant is open from... twelve o'clock... so what you've got to... I mean... if you want a table... for say, four or six of you
[Raymond:] Mm, you've gotta be there or
[Brian:] you've gotta be there bang on twelve o'clock.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Brian:] I mean
[Raymond:] Otherwise it's gone.
[Brian:] we can have a drink
[Margaret:] Because they won't reserve a table I suppose
[Brian:] No.
[Margaret:] will they, no?
[Phyllis:] But we had ours in er... in erm
[Brian:] In the bar,we the lounge.
[Phyllis:] In the bar.
[Brian:] Well the la
[Phyllis:] The lounge you mean.
[Brian:] The lounge side of the bar.... It was very nice!
[Phyllis:] It was very nice where we were wasn't it?
[Brian:] And it's all been modernised the place has... and there's a... a nice... if you've got a... a family, a young family
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] or... there's six or seven of you together
[Phyllis:] Yeah, there's a family room I think... or something
[Brian:] you'd got
[Phyllis:] in there.
[Brian:] four or five tables which overlook the garden.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] They got the french windows and i, it looks... it i, really is nice!
[Margaret:] Nice setting then.
[Raymond:] ... Yeah!
[Brian:] Er... but then they got an upstairs as well.... It really is... nice!... And er... it's certainly value for money.
[Margaret:] Mm.... Well it's funny because erm, when we saw Ken the other day he was saying that erm... his niece rang him up... and erm... she's er... she's gonna be in Crewe this... weekend... for a friend's wedding... and, I think she must be coming up with some, some other girl as well, because the two of them, he said, I'm taking two young ladies out on Sunday for lunch... where's a good place for a Sunday lunch you see? So we were sort of wondering, you know, where
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] to recommend... so, I mean, I said well I don't know about that... you know, the Toby Inn, I mean... I know it's a
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] ... all a chain aren't they? But er... in North of Hull, cos he said I don't wanna go too far
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] erm... and somewhere sort of reasonable. I mean ee... it's awkward for him now because I mean... he's... he's not a dab hand like some men, like they, he likes messing about with menus and... you know In the kitchen he
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] I mean he... only likes a very simple diet himself, so... he doesn't
[Brian:] He would eat
[Margaret:] experiment with food at all.
[Brian:] He would eat the roast wouldn't he?
[Margaret:] So he couldn't do anything... oh,ye well yeah!
[Phyllis:] He probably just wouldn't
[Raymond:] But
[Phyllis:] eat the vegetables!
[Margaret:] Yeah, but
[Raymond:] wo
[Margaret:] yes he'd just have to... I mean, peas and potatoes that'll be the limit!
[Raymond:] These girls you see, they might... they might
[Margaret:] In the vegetables.
[Raymond:] and er
[Margaret:] Well I said to him,
[Phyllis:] Well he can have... he can have lasagne and chips couldn't he?
[Brian:] They cou, they could have all the
[Phyllis:] They do a
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] vegetarian meal. There's two
[Raymond:] Oh I'm sorry!
[Phyllis:] really nice vegetarian meals on the
[Raymond:] I thought you meant
[Phyllis:] menu.
[Raymond:] Ken?
[Margaret:] Well, no darling I was gonna say... Ken he sort of suggested
[Raymond:] He can't er
[Margaret:] he said, I I'm wondering whether to do a meal myself at home.
[Raymond:] He can't that! He couldn't. Even if it's somebody else you know.
[Margaret:] Erm... well I said it's a bit awkward really
[Raymond:] so er
[Margaret:] because I mean
[Brian:] Shame really!
[Margaret:] Yeah it is.
[Raymond:] It is a shame! Like
[Margaret:] You know sometimes
[Raymond:] I mean I'd
[Margaret:] especially today! They're perhaps vegetarian or something
[Raymond:] I'd teach him if wanted but er
[Margaret:] unless you know
[Raymond:] I think this is all... maybe go for a while
[Margaret:] he might have done a roast dinner [LAUGHTER] and that they []
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] you know, they don't want meat!... And you're stuck then
[Raymond:] That's right.
[Margaret:] I said, and i, if you do take them out it's
[Brian:] the plaice.
[Margaret:] you can have a choice
[Raymond:] Oh yes!
[Margaret:] of course.
[Raymond:] Well Margaret won't.
[Margaret:] So
[Phyllis:] They'll make you salad a light salad if you like.
[Brian:] and he wanted
[Margaret:] That's right yeah.
[Brian:] I mean if he a a steak... and they had something
[Raymond:] Well yes
[Brian:] else.
[Raymond:] that's what he's having.
[Margaret:] Yes, well this is it.
[Brian:] But they haven't got any money.
[Margaret:] If you're eat
[Brian:] I mean you
[Margaret:] well, that's it, it's good value isn't it really?... Oh I'll have to tell him about that. So it's the Miller's kitchen?
[Brian:] The Miller's Kitchen. It's it's the old Yacht.
[Raymond:] Near the pub.
[Margaret:] Ye, I should
[Brian:] There.
[Margaret:] think so, yeah. You've gotta
[Brian:] Well turn right
[Margaret:] turn right at the Two Mills
[Brian:] Two Mills... and it's
[Raymond:] depends when he wants to go.
[Brian:] it's that pub.
[Raymond:] What day is it?
[Margaret:] Sunday, isn't it? They're coming in
[Raymond:] Oh it's the Su
[Margaret:] the wedding's on Saturday and they're coming up
[Raymond:] Oh I se, oh alright.
[Brian:] That's why I thought
[Margaret:] On Sunday
[Brian:] might as well have it
[Raymond:] Well that might do then mightn't it?
[Brian:] By the other two.
[Margaret:] That's what he said... where's a good place for Sunday lunch you see? So they'll
[Raymond:] Nice setting.
[Margaret:] be there in the morning and
[Brian:] It is a nice setting... erm... and... three of them together
[Raymond:] Give him a ring now.
[Brian:] Yeah... Well it's a
[Margaret:] What for?
[Raymond:] Well in case you don't see him, you know, in time.
[Margaret:] Well I probably will see him! I'm not gonna ring him tomorrow, it's Wednesday!
[Brian:] But if you fa
[Raymond:] Well I just thought sorry!
[Brian:] and if you fancy it one Sunday
[Margaret:] You're gonna get
[Brian:] Give us, give us a shout.
[Margaret:] a smack round the back the of head in a minute!
[Brian:] and we'll plan it.... No, it was good value wasn't it?
[Phyllis:] It was, yeah.... But I think I would pay the extra and that... and have a choice next time.
[Brian:] Ah, well you can do! It was just I wanted to see what that was
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] like
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Brian:] well you can pay the extra.
[Raymond:] I mean we we just
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] we just don't like beef now.... I'd eat
[Margaret:] No.
[Raymond:] a couple of slices.
[Margaret:] I don't mind now and again.
[Brian:] And these are nice thinly sliced... and it was nice beef! It was nice roast dinner!
[Phyllis:] Very
[Raymond:] You're having ro roast beef.
[Phyllis:] And you didn't have to chew it.
[Brian:] No.
[Phyllis:] I mean
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] I hate it when you get... mm... chewing it.
[Brian:] But that oh it wasn't bad
[Margaret:] It just tastes of Indian rubber!
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Brian:] It was nice! It was good value.
[Raymond:] I'd sooner have cold meat than.
[Brian:] But there's so many choices... I mean you could have what you wanted.
[Margaret:] I'd sooner not have any beef at all!
[Raymond:] Well, I, no, I mean... I used to love lamb!
[Phyllis:] Mm... lamb's tasty though
[Raymond:] Brought up on ruddy
[Phyllis:] isn't it?
[Raymond:] lamb for the weekend!
[Margaret:] I dunno it's!
[Raymond:] We always had a lamb leg of lamb.
[Phyllis:] Cos we had to have lamb for years!
[Raymond:] Famous Welsh lamb.
[Margaret:] And we had some of
[Raymond:] And then cold lamb after
[Margaret:] Pat's son invited us round for dinner, I never thought so say you know!
[Raymond:] That was tradition in them days.
[Margaret:] Don't do anything
[Raymond:] That's what they did.... That's what people did.
[Margaret:] particular for us
[Raymond:] You know... we used to have some a while ago.
[Margaret:] won't do chicken or fish. But erm... she did this roast lamb and ahhh The pair of us were
[Raymond:] It's too fatty!
[Margaret:] rolling around! And I said, gives him indigestion dunnit?
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Just couldn't eat it, I sa it was all fatty!...
[Raymond:] , it's probably our diet, it's what we get used to.
[Margaret:] You know, it took ages to digest!
[Raymond:] I mean we eat that much veg... vegetables
[Phyllis:] It is fatty!
[Margaret:] And I thought it was just me, but Ray was the
[Raymond:] and chicken
[Phyllis:] same.
[Brian:] Mm.
[Raymond:] fish.... We probably get used to that.
[Phyllis:] Well that's it!
[Margaret:] Well that's it and i i i
[Brian:] And you don't really want the rest.
[Margaret:] It's an easily digestible
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Brian:] Mm.
[Raymond:] And then they have steak!
[Margaret:] Erm... food.
[Brian:] I had a black pudding this morning.
[Raymond:] Good
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Raymond:] grief!
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] All that cholesterol Brian!
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER] I could eat hundreds []!
[Raymond:] Ah, but think of iron.
[Phyllis:] That's what the doctor told me to eat... didn't he?
[Margaret:] What, black pudding?
[Brian:] Black pudding.
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Ooh, I tell you what you want though.
[Margaret:] For the iron?
[Brian:] Got a
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] couple of things for you.... You want water from, where was it I said to you?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] From er
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Lourdes!
[Raymond:] No, no! From nor, somewhere in Snowdonia... they send this water all over the country... and it's so full of iron... Germany, they buy it....... But er, it's a good... I don't know about cure, but whatever!
[Margaret:] Dunno, something you read
[Raymond:] The rheuma
[Margaret:] in the paper yesterday.
[Raymond:] I told you on Su on Sunday!
[Margaret:] Mm, I've forgotten now.
[Raymond:] Er, rheumatism, what else was it?
[Margaret:] I dunno, I didn't read it!
[Raymond:] Something else like that, you know, but the iron in it is marvellous!... Because it's rich the
[Brian:] Mm.
[Raymond:] the earths it comes out of so they're selling it by the bottle in Germany.
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Raymond:] The other thing you got... vitamin G was it?... D!
[Phyllis:] Gonna say, I've never heard of G, what's that?
[Margaret:] Vitamin B one.... Very good for you!... Good for the liver.
[Brian:] Is that what's in this water?
[Raymond:] Oh no this is
[Margaret:] No! No!
[Raymond:] this is iron!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] But they're doing a
[Margaret:] You might as well just buy
[Raymond:] a series up in the er
[Margaret:] iron and multi-vitamin or... jus just iron tablets!
[Raymond:] in the Observer you see, and they're telling you
[Brian:] You've got
[Raymond:] all these, the good
[Phyllis:] I dunno whether they whether you have to absorb these
[Raymond:] How to live till you're a hundred you know, live a good life.... And this... all the these things
[Phyllis:] thickenings really.
[Raymond:] course the emphasis is on don't smoke!
[Margaret:] Well
[Raymond:] drink and all that
[Margaret:] I know they do say if you eat a balanced diet you shouldn't need supplements.
[Raymond:] plenty of er, you know pulses and cereals.
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] But I think when you get a certain age
[Brian:] Which is plain most of things
[Margaret:] cos you do need supplements
[Brian:] that's what you're eating mainly anyway!
[Margaret:] er
[Raymond:] That's right!
[Phyllis:] Yeah.... But I mean, do you actually absorb them do you?
[Brian:] I think occasionally we do.
[Phyllis:] I mean, they say you're supposed
[Raymond:] Is it fortified?
[Phyllis:] the best way to have these vitamins in with
[Brian:] Be nice though wouldn't it? To be
[Phyllis:] with your diet... cos it, then he gives all
[Brian:] be able to
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Brian:] not have to worry about any of it?
[Margaret:] So instead of swallowing vitamin C tablets just
[Brian:] Eat what you want
[Margaret:] use a main... juice all ti
[Brian:] the way we used to.
[Margaret:] or eat more oranges.
[Raymond:] No, I mean if er...
[Brian:] vegetarian pulses... vegetables
[Phyllis:] you can eat erm... other things can't you?
[Brian:] There's so many things
[Phyllis:] Like if they
[Brian:] you can do with them.
[Phyllis:] With erm
[Brian:] But... but when you're working with us working, we don't have
[Phyllis:] Like
[Brian:] the time
[Phyllis:] green cabbage and
[Brian:] to prepare it all
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] butter beans.
[Brian:] And, if it's left for too long
[Phyllis:] I was reading the
[Brian:] they
[Phyllis:] erm
[Raymond:] Oh, yes!
[Margaret:] the
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Brian:] So
[Raymond:] That's right, yeah.
[Brian:] but Phyl doesn't
[Phyllis:] I
[Brian:] know what time I'm gonna be in anyway.
[Phyllis:] and er...
[Margaret:] I bought some last weekend.
[Raymond:] Oh yes! Yes.
[Phyllis:] But
[Brian:] Except when she's got the cars out
[Phyllis:] it's the
[Brian:] and I'll sort of ring to say
[Phyllis:] Erm
[Brian:] well first of all I had it
[Phyllis:] in one sachet you get
[Brian:] er
[Phyllis:] your
[Brian:] but now I haven't got it... it would be handy cos in
[Phyllis:] what do they call it? Your
[Brian:] evening, just coming home
[Phyllis:] your daily dosage or whatever! of erm
[Brian:] ring to say
[Phyllis:] calcium
[Brian:] I'll be home
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Phyllis:] in just
[Margaret:] Good!
[Phyllis:] one sachet.
[Brian:] I mean, I...
[Margaret:] I bought it in a jar and it was it was funny at the poppy actually and they said
[Raymond:] I mean ah, garlic to me is an unknown quantity.
[Margaret:] He was nosing along the shelves and I said oh!... What about
[Raymond:] And of course
[Margaret:] Horlicks? He said I haven't those for years!
[Raymond:] I do no, butter wasn't it?
[Phyllis:] making the water.
[Raymond:] On the, on the ration then it was.
[Margaret:] Well firstly Mind you, I mean there's no point they'll be looking up the first word of each of these
[Raymond:] No, but it could have several cheeks, quite often... yes.
[Margaret:] You think so?... As one word you mean?
[Phyllis:] Is it two words... or one?
[Margaret:] Well it's hyphenated.
[Raymond:] Well it'd be hyphenated wouldn't it? I thought.
[Brian:] What's those things?
[Raymond:] Oh, of course! You want one of these, is this... any good this thing?
[Phyllis:] See i well
[Margaret:] What is it?... What have you got Brian?
[Raymond:] It's a mini computer.
[Brian:] I was reading it, I just can't remember what it said saddle.
[Margaret:] Oh it won't be in there!
[Raymond:] Haven't you got a good dictionary?
[Brian:] Yeah, I've found one.... Hang on!
[Raymond:] With explanations in.
[Brian:] No.... Yeah!
[Margaret:] What?
[Brian:] I'll find one.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Phyllis:] We've only got a small Oxford one.
[Raymond:] Has it got derivations in it?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh well then, that'll be in there!
[Brian:] Erm... Rogers... got Rogers!
[Raymond:] Hammerstein?
[Brian:] A book.
[Margaret:] Mm.... He's got an itch did he say?
[Phyllis:] I'm in an invalid's chair.
[Brian:] It's got
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] I'd be inclined
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] to
[Margaret:] Ooh!... glass off!
[Raymond:] to guess anyway... because the... i it'll keep them
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] nice and warm that would you see wouldn't it?... The
[Phyllis:] And it's got the drawer underneath it, it clipped underneath... for a thingy
[Raymond:] What do you think
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] it's under? What?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Put your crutch under there couldn't you?... Only one.
[Margaret:] Could be anywhere.... Mm.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Telescope crutch [] goes under there Brian!
[Margaret:] A telescopic crutch.
[Brian:] But yo you want, nothing on?
[Phyllis:] We need some drinks Brian.
[Brian:] Yes, well I'm gonna
[Phyllis:] Erm
[Brian:] learn it, hasn't he?
[Margaret:] I, I don't want another
[Raymond:] oi
[Margaret:] drink Brian.
[Raymond:] That's... I've just given this to our Carrie.
[Brian:] No, you haven't it's ours that!
[Margaret:] Oh!... It looks like the same i, is it the same as our one?
[Brian:] It is the same one!
[Margaret:] The Pocket Oxford?
[Raymond:] , it's the one we had for many many years!
[Margaret:] The one we bought
[Raymond:] Honest Phyl!
[Brian:] Saddle chair
[Raymond:] Saddle cheek was it?
[Brian:] saddle cheek.
[Margaret:] Saddle cheek, yes.... It's very ela
[Brian:] It's not in here.
[Margaret:] it's too elaborate for a hall porter's chairs isn't
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] it?
[Brian:] Definite! No.
[Margaret:] It's... yeah... definitely too... fancy for that.
[Brian:] That's it.
[Margaret:] Well maybe it's a Masonic throne then!
[Brian:] It is!... I've seen one before.
[Margaret:] Have you?
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] You can tell me, you're in the Masons
[Raymond:] The best saddle, saddle, saddle
[Brian:] Have you seen the
[Raymond:] saddle
[Brian:] handshake and the... the
[Raymond:] No, they haven't got it.
[Margaret:] Did he?
[Raymond:] It's not in here.
[Margaret:] No?
[Raymond:] Got saddle bag, saddle shape
[Margaret:] saddle horse saddle
[Raymond:] saddle
[Margaret:] saddle bags
[Raymond:] got saddle bag.
[Phyllis:] C will come before... H.
[Brian:] Saddle horse... saddle bridge.
[Phyllis:] Want lunch?
[Raymond:] No.
[Brian:] Seducing power.... Saddle.
[Margaret:] I mean,ye, because it's
[Brian:] Saddle seat!
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] because it's leather... erm
[Brian:] Eh.
[Margaret:] bound, leather covered
[Phyllis:] He did say it is
[Margaret:] it may
[Phyllis:] very comfortable!
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Brian:] It's a Masonic
[Margaret:] It makes you... think of saddle doesn't it?
[Raymond:] You ought to buy a Masonic one.
[Margaret:] But erm
[Raymond:] What er... persuades you to say that I wonder?
[Phyllis:] Pretty stupid!
[Brian:] A most obvious reason!
[Phyllis:] Is it?
[Raymond:] Yeah, but there's gotta be a reason?
[Brian:] Don't be silly!
[Margaret:] Anyway, dad says he's got it.
[Brian:] Cheek... let's have in the book.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] []!
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Go and put it back!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] I'll have that.
[Margaret:] Don't speak to anybody.
[Raymond:] How do you spell cheetah? I've
[Margaret:] Peas in a pod.
[Raymond:] bloody forgotten now!
[Brian:] C H... double E
[Raymond:] Oh that's right, yeah!... Chee... the side wall has gone.... Cheetah.... By jove!... Didn't think I could make it.
[Margaret:] Well what's that saddle?... Did you see anything under the saddle?... Have you looked?
[Raymond:] Well... well obviously!
[Margaret:] Well, I haven't been watching what you were doing!
[Raymond:] You were just asking me, what about saddle? I said, yeah
[Brian:] seven er
[Raymond:] saddle's
[Brian:] eight.
[Raymond:] .
[Brian:] Seven or eight.
[Raymond:] Now, well how can you get erm... three... and you have to have a book... on er... chairs I would imagine....
[Margaret:] Well if it was that easy, I don't suppose they'd put it in... in here would they?
[Raymond:] Well they're giving you all the alternatives so... a
[Margaret:] Yeah, so if it were in the dictionary, I mean... I know you able to turn to the
[Raymond:] Smacks of er, Cilla Black straight away.
[Margaret:] Cilla Black?
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Where's the connection there?
[Raymond:] Programme or whatever it is... a lorra lorra idiots!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Yeah, I think it's the invalid!
[Margaret:] No, I don't think it is, I think it's too daft for Columbo but
[Raymond:] That's right! A rich invalid, I mean you wouldn't be good... but what they forget... oh!
[Margaret:] Well why not?
[Brian:] Well I had in our our our
[Raymond:] [whispering] [].
[Brian:] book here
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] and... what I found... is... that one.
[Margaret:] Which, which... are you going to miss out? Which year?
[Brian:] Erm... this... the nineteen ninety one edition.
[Margaret:] We've got the ninety two one now!
[Raymond:] ner ner ner ner ner ner
[Margaret:] I'll give you that when you come up.
[Brian:] Right!... We'll have a look see.
[Phyllis:] Yeah, that's a point I must have a look in Martin's fridge.
[Raymond:] I've looked dear!
[Phyllis:] I'll have a look... Brian, right, or shall I wait till tomorrow? I'll look tomorrow.... Got it, did you?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] Oh I didn't know.
[Brian:] Right, what we have here... in my book... ooh I'll tell you in moment
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] in your... nineteen ninety one!
[Brian:] my nineteen ninety one edition...... right, there are... er... wing armchairs... ah... No, no, no, it's not that, now let's see, I've something like yours, let me think.... Oh that was a lambing chair it wasn't that one was it?
[Margaret:] Did you look in the other one, the nineteen ninety edition?... No.... No.
[Raymond:] Didn't seem to hang like that though is it?
[Brian:] You know what we missed?
[Raymond:] Wouldn't say they were
[Margaret:] What?
[Raymond:] chairs, but
[Margaret:] What have we missed?
[Brian:] The antique... show in Chester... on River Dee.
[Margaret:] Oh yes!... In fact, like that
[Raymond:] Oh yeah I saw that, yeah!
[Margaret:] about month ago didn't they?
[Brian:] I missed that!... I got the Chronicle last week... and there in it
[Margaret:] Cos you got the haven't they?
[Brian:] there in the Chronicle was this... thing to say what a good response they had! And I went
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] Darn and blast!
[Margaret:] That's me.
[Raymond:] Oh gee. It's frustration all time isn't it?
[Brian:] Oh it's nice to look at though Ray.
[Raymond:] Oh I know.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] I wanna take some home with me.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] One of the little will do!
[Brian:] The only thing we'll take from there is a bit of dust as we walk
[Raymond:] A Georgian Denville that's all I ask!
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] No, I wanted that! You wanted a chaise.
[Raymond:] Alright, both!
[Brian:] Where the hell is this stupid chair!
[Margaret:] Which copy is that Brian?
[Brian:] This is the one Mark and Deb bought us, the Antiques Roadshow.
[Margaret:] Ah yes!
[Brian:] It's very, very good!
[Margaret:] Anything you like there? Or haven't you been through it?
[Brian:] Well this erm... there's the bottom of your... cupboard here.
[Raymond:] Ha, mm mm mm.
[Margaret:] Oh yes!
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] What do you mean, you mean?
[Brian:] You know wha
[Margaret:] The, the erm... the pine one?
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Er... yes.
[Brian:] Similar like that, mhm
[Raymond:] That
[Brian:] mm.
[Raymond:] that
[Margaret:] It
[Raymond:] er... er, perhaps a good one.
[Margaret:] Is that talbot?
[Brian:] Well... we wait a minute!... So as your pots!
[Margaret:] They're similar... similar design but
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] but
[Raymond:] Any resemblance
[Margaret:] much, much better!
[Raymond:] is.
[Brian:] What's it worth though?
[Margaret:] I... I think any resemblance is... purely superficial.
[Brian:] Well it doesn't matter!... There was something about a chair.... I saw a chair!... What about... did you watch the Antiques Roadshow on Sunday?
[Margaret:] Yes.... Missed the very beginning
[Brian:] Did you see that
[Margaret:] of it.
[Brian:] erm... that davenport, that tall davenport?
[Margaret:] Mm! Yes!
[Brian:] Wowee
[Margaret:] It was a standing davenport wasn't it?
[Brian:] Mmmm!
[Margaret:] Yes, very unusual.
[Brian:] Absolutely wonderful!
[Margaret:] Wunderbar... What was the er... the thing that was interesting in that?... Er
[Brian:] I lost this blinking chair!
[Margaret:] Can't remember now....
[Phyllis:] Very, he was supposed to read the whole of it.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Brian:] Don't know what the hell I've done with that chair Marg!
[Margaret:] Yo, are you sure you've seen it or... the one that was like it?
[Phyllis:] Same one mummy.
[Brian:] It's in there.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Must be, did they say the age of it?... Probably
[Margaret:] Mm, on the, no no!
[Raymond:] seventeen something
[Margaret:] Er, ooh well I'm saying no! Er
[Brian:] What's say there?
[Margaret:] I didn't read... all the blurb.... Don't know what it said.
[Raymond:] Probably seen... them... like I said
[Phyllis:] On a ship.
[Raymond:] in a... film or a play somewhere.... Television.
[Brian:] Yeah, see there's... there's your sedan chair.
[Raymond:] Oh yes, the one that was
[Brian:] [cough]
[Raymond:] like a... upright type one is
[Brian:] Mm mm.
[Raymond:] they were... carried about in.
[Brian:] Where the... the poles went
[Margaret:] No it doesn't you a name.
[Brian:] through.
[Phyllis:] Want this?
[Raymond:] Mm mm.
[Brian:] In the, that till I find the bloody chair!
[Raymond:] Oh, some with notes on! Four song girls.
[Brian:] Oh this is ridiculous!... I thought I'd seen it in here... let's have a look.... And the chaise is there, yeah.
[Raymond:] I know,.
[Brian:] Beautiful!
[Margaret:] Look here,the there's a programme on about... er, Rembrandt here... and it said of the ni, nine hundred and eighty eight Rembrandts... in nineteen thirteen, only around three hundred are still thought to be genuine... to a display of art
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] galleries worldwide!
[Raymond:] God, a lot profit.
[Margaret:] A lot of the, a lot of them were done by his pupils.... But er... well! Well! Well!
[Brian:] No... sorry!
[Raymond:] Erh I suppose I
[Brian:] These blinking davenports in here!
[Raymond:] Beautiful!
[Brian:] Mm!... One can dream can't we?
[Raymond:] Well, this is it Brian.
[Margaret:] Yeah.... [LAUGHTER] That's []
[Brian:] That
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] about all Brian []!
[Brian:] That's quite a nice book that.
[Raymond:] Ooh yes!... Antique Roadshow.
[Margaret:] Yes.... I saw that from a book club.
[Raymond:] From the children... from Mark and
[Brian:] Deb.... What about this?
[Margaret:] It's a nice... present that isn't it?
[Raymond:] This?... Oh.
[Brian:] Margaret, are you going to have same again
[speaker004:] chuck
[Margaret:] Er... just a half a glass... erm
[Brian:] Okay.
[Margaret:] with toni, have you got any tonic water?
[Brian:] I certainly have some tonic water.... Gets a bit heavy that orange doesn't it?
[Margaret:] Well it's... just that it's citric and er
[Brian:] Well are you gonna have tonic water darling?
[Phyllis:] No, I'll have a small... orange juice please.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... Erh Don't do a... a lot of supper for me... Phyl, will you please?
[Brian:] You can have what you're given!... I just put the tonic in the same glass is that alright?
[Margaret:] Oh that's grand, yes!
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER] It's a bit cloudy []!
[Phyllis:] Won't be a minute.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... to eat.
[Brian:] You're not getting... too much to eat anyway!
[Margaret:] Oh that's alright.
[Brian:] It is Wednesday, the middle of the week and I mean
[Margaret:] Well, this is it!
[Brian:] Monday's a big ba
[Margaret:] ca... governor!
[Phyllis:] Can't we get what?
[Brian:] Can't not get anything.... Not getting much!... Times is hard!... [whispering] I've got [].
[Margaret:] We went along to the auction rooms this morning.
[Brian:] Anything good?
[Margaret:] Er, well Ray let us in on a... little... oak table... erm... and forget to ring up... to find out whether
[Brian:] Who was the seller.
[Margaret:] yes, got it or not. Oh, I'll have to ring them in the morning.... But er, they had quite a few computers there, and I said to Ray find out how much the computers are.... Anyway, he said er... and there were two or three identical... you know, in... monitors
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] and erm... the er... what's his name? And they were going
[Brian:] [whispering] Take a look up there [].
[Margaret:] er... oh right.
[Brian:] Otherwise it'll make a hell of a noise!
[Margaret:] Clatter, yeah.... Erm... anyway, he said er... oh he said they were about... thirty two... thirty two K those.
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] So I said, oh no, [LAUGHTER] yes!... Looking for a something a little more modest than that []!... But erm
[Brian:] That's not thirty two thousand pound!
[Margaret:] well... well I said to him, I said, well whatever that is... but er... he said oh it might be five hu
[Brian:] It might be
[Margaret:] no it was five, he said he'll give about five hundred and
[Brian:] Well then
[Margaret:] fifty, you know?
[Brian:] cos that's... hundred
[Margaret:] Ee
[Brian:] and twenty five K that.
[Margaret:] Yeah, I was gonna say it's a... it's a business model isn't it?
[Brian:] Ha.
[Margaret:] Erm... thirty two K.
[Brian:] It does do most things.
[Margaret:] But I said well... he said, oh well you can't play games on it! I said i... [LAUGHTER] I wasn't thinking of that []!... I mean, that's what the kids have got, the Commodores.... Something in between
[Brian:] I mean, you're talking of sort of, fifteen hundred
[Margaret:] the two.
[Brian:] two thousand pounds for a computer so
[Margaret:] Well, I said these have obviously come out
[Brian:] that's still a good deal at that.
[Margaret:] of offices, or businesses
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] perhaps, you know... hit the dust!... But erm... sort of thought of something in between, but he said... he said those will probably go for about five hundred and fifty
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] I think he said.
[Brian:] People will be ju
[Margaret:] And they had another one
[Brian:] jumping at them.
[Margaret:] be ab, well this is it, yes! Yeah!
[Brian:] Excuse me!
[Phyllis:] Have some more.
[Brian:] . Oh my... yeah,.... Got it!
[Margaret:] I heard that Brian! I heard that!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Brian:] ... Ahhh!
[Margaret:] Have you found this chair that he was looking for in that?... I don't think that chair could have been in that book Brian.
[Brian:] Mm, I don't think it is Margaret. I don't know where I've seen it.
[Margaret:] Probably seen it in the Radio Times.... [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] I know where I saw it before! I've seen it before... it was on the television!... On Sunday.
[Margaret:] In that... programme, that's right!
[Brian:] What time are you preparing dinner my darling?
[Phyllis:] Now.
[Brian:] Just that like that?
[Phyllis:] Yeah, that one there.
[Brian:] I've been asked to bring this in like this.... It's not my idea!
[Margaret:] You were just following instructions.
[Brian:] It's way I, I, I just follow the instructions.
[Margaret:] [cough]
[Brian:] Phylli wants a drink of orange.... Yeah?... What about Brian?
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Brian:] Champagne or ordinary glass.
[Phyllis:] Er... just a small one.... Erm
[Brian:] Is that too small Phyl?
[Phyllis:] No.
[Brian:] Is that enough?
[Phyllis:] Yes!
[Raymond:] Good grief!
[Phyllis:] There's only one slice bread.
[Raymond:] Thank you very much.... Very good of you!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... You mean a doorstep?
[Brian:] Hey! Possible!
[Phyllis:] Yeah, if you finally! Do you want mayonnaise Margaret? I got
[Margaret:] Erm
[Phyllis:] another... pot
[Margaret:] Yep.
[Phyllis:] in there if yo
[Margaret:] No, that's fine.
[Phyllis:] there's some
[Brian:] What do you want salad cream?
[Phyllis:] Oh no!... Horrible stuff!
[Brian:] Mayonnaise isn't it?
[Margaret:] No, it's not quite the same Bri!
[Brian:] Oh!
[Margaret:] And you've been eating it all this time!
[Raymond:] Oh!... Thank you.
[Brian:] And there's me thought it was all the same!
[Phyllis:] Oh shut up!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Let him ramble!
[Phyllis:] What are you drinking?... Is that... just
[Margaret:] Tonic water.
[Phyllis:] tonic?
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] There's er... there's... plenty of orange Margaret
[Margaret:] No, I don't want any more... orange juice, there's too much acidity in it!
[Phyllis:] Oh right!
[Margaret:] So... upset the old joints!
[Phyllis:] Didn't get any bitter lemon this week... ee... just clean forgot!
[Margaret:] No, I prefer tonic water actually.
[Brian:] Which one is mine?... Oh right!
[Phyllis:] Erm... the one without the cling film over.
[Brian:] Thank you.... I haven't put this in there yet.
[Phyllis:] The one with the cholesterol.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Especially for you Bri []!
[Brian:] Plenty of it!
[Phyllis:] Yes.
[Brian:] Better be loads of it!... I don't want to see that er
[Margaret:] It's really saturated!
[Brian:] !
[Margaret:] How's it going at work anyway? You still working overtime or
[Phyllis:] Er... right
[Margaret:] has it calmed down?
[Phyllis:] up to now I haven't. Oh I say that, when did I work overtime? Monday, cos I couldn't go to the gym.... It was late when erm... I finished.... [shouting] Brian, do you want mayonnaise?... If you do bring the other one in [].
[Brian:] Beg your pardon?
[Phyllis:] [shouting] Do you want mayonnaise []?
[Brian:] No, thank you. No.
[Phyllis:] Oh!
[Raymond:] Mm!... I think I'll try some of Paul Newman's dressing.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Oh yeah []!
[Phyllis:] And it's... all new systems... all new packages!... Our own computer's going.
[Margaret:] This is with this new company now?
[Phyllis:] Yeah. So we're gonna be on-line... to a... a mainframe in... Ripon would you believe it!... Erm
[Margaret:] Yorkshire!
[Phyllis:] Yeah.... I'll be glad when ours goes!... They got nobody to look after us! I spend half my time down in town there sorting out the problems!... Plus, you have to do all your own tape back-ups!... So, I'll be glad to see it go!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] Cos we did have a young man... I say young man, he was in his... early twenties, he used to do all that, and he left and they never replaced him!... Well, he used to do other jobs as well!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] And you really mi... don't
[Margaret:] Miss
[Phyllis:] realise cos he
[Margaret:] some help.
[Phyllis:] although he di... he wasn't fully occupied... you realised when they're gone.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] You know... how much you
[Margaret:] Well that's why he went probably!
[Phyllis:] ... probably because he wasn't fully occupied and the money was useless!
[Margaret:] Oh, he left of his own accord? He wasn't pushed?
[Phyllis:] Yeah, he lo, left of his own accord.
[Brian:] You're welcome.
[Raymond:] I've heard you selling the guy that showed you these two manifestos... one by the Tories and one by the Labour... and the one that stuck in my mind... it's that the Labour Party will have a minimum wage... to comply with the rest of Europe.... Tories saying, if they have a minimum wage it will tear a lot of people out of work.
[Margaret:] And cause unemployment.
[Raymond:] What a bloody disgrace when you're in a democracy and they want... minimum
[Brian:] Pathetic!
[Raymond:] wage!... So you can employ someone for
[Brian:] Peanuts!
[Raymond:] ten pounds!...... no law against...... the swines!... God help them!
[Brian:] Shows you that....
[Raymond:] Oh this is disgusting!
[Margaret:] Yes,.
[Raymond:] ... mm.
[Brian:] Mm, mm mm.
[Margaret:] Mm.... Mm.
[Phyllis:] Don't... do that!
[Margaret:] That's when accidents happen Brian!
[Phyllis:] That's what... oh that's alright for you!
[Raymond:] Hit my bloody shoe that will!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] I like to know... about this polyunsaturated... thing?
[Margaret:] What do you want to know about it?
[Raymond:] Well this... Carrie was on today about it.
[Phyllis:] I didn't put spread on your bread cos you said you weren't... takers.
[Brian:] I got that out.
[Phyllis:] Are you sti, are you taking it?... Still have spread on your bed... bread?
[Margaret:] No.... Well not... not if I have salad on it, anyway.
[Raymond:] You didn't
[Phyllis:] No, I didn't put any on.... It's only Brian's.
[Brian:] It's for me who put it on.
[Raymond:] Do you see, do you see what was written on the olive oil bottle and it says it's got... polyunsaturates.... Cos I thought it pure, you know?
[Brian:] It's supposed to be.... Natural.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Brian:] Natural!
[Raymond:] They don't put animal fat in it, surely do they?
[Margaret:] Mm.... They
[Brian:] Ay
[Margaret:] do!
[Phyllis:] Some vegetable fat
[Margaret:] They add a
[Phyllis:] is very er
[Margaret:] loaded.
[Phyllis:] er, yeah!... Very bad for you!... And when
[Margaret:] Mhm.
[Phyllis:] Brian had... his cholesterol test on er... little bit of paper they... give you... with all the information... it tells you... the only oils you should use are erm... olive oil and... saffro... saffrall
[Margaret:] Saffron.
[Phyllis:] oil.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] What about rapeseed oil? Isn't that very
[Phyllis:] No, didn't say that.
[Margaret:] Mm.... Rapeseed that
[Phyllis:] Well they had a list of what to eat, and a list of... list of what not to eat.
[Brian:] And I'm eating all the stuff I shouldn't be eating!... Not tonight.
[Raymond:] Josephine!
[Phyllis:] So I... I only saffra, saffrall oil now... or olive oil.
[Raymond:] Mhm.
[Phyllis:] I didn't realise that
[Raymond:] What about sunflower oil?
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] No... not sunflower oil.
[Raymond:] No good?
[Phyllis:] It's better than er... animal fat.... All the vegetable fats are better than the animal
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] fat.
[Raymond:] Yes, of course!
[Brian:] Be, I mean
[Margaret:] Oh well we shouldn't have any rust.
[Phyllis:] No.
[Brian:] You think you're doing the right thing by eating... olive oil... pure oils but
[Margaret:] Another twenty years, there'll be another turnabout
[Brian:] Ah yeah!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] won't there []?... Saying, you should be eating butter!
[Phyllis:] Should be
[Brian:] Well it said
[Phyllis:] drinking... whole milk!
[Brian:] it said in the paper this week... that... erm... broccoli... is the finest... vegetable you can eat.... The finest green you can eat.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] And it helps... stave off cancer, didn't it?
[Phyllis:] Well it helps fight
[Brian:] It did kind of like... whatever!
[Phyllis:] it helps fight... the cancer cells it
[Brian:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] said.... Where fats... encourage it.... Er greens.
[Brian:] But it specifically said
[Phyllis:] Broccoli.
[Brian:] Broccoli.
[Phyllis:] But... when tha, when the doctor was on in the morning, the doctor said it's the same as the carotene in carrot
[Brian:] Yeah, and not actually
[Margaret:] I was just going to say they said carrots
[Brian:] not actually
[Margaret:] a while ago didn't they? Was the
[Phyllis:] Said it's the
[Brian:] Not
[Phyllis:] same... it's the same sort of thing.... And really the doctors have known that for years because... a lot of cancer patients they put on... er
[Margaret:] Diets.
[Phyllis:] vegetable... diets.... They can't have chocolate... they can have this erm... what's it called?... Not cova, is it coba or something?... This natural chocolate. They can't have cakes... they can't have anything... that's got fats in it.
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Phyllis:] One minute they say you can't eat, and then they say that you can eat it!
[Brian:] Yeah!
[Raymond:] I think you've gotta try and strike a balance haven't you?... You'll get paranoid if you
[Margaret:] Well... I think we all are to a certain extent!
[Brian:] It's not knowing isn't it?
[Margaret:] Everything in moderation is my answer.
[Raymond:] It's just some people that eat everything they live till they're ruddy... seventy or it's... makes you wonder!
[Margaret:] Yeah, but I suppose they have to go by... the general rule
[Raymond:] Oh yes!
[Margaret:] but I mean, you'll always find exceptions won't you?
[Raymond:] I'll go along with that.
[Brian:] Well I'm not gonna last too much longer! Much longer!... If I eat another thing that's bad for me!
[Raymond:] You don't Brian! You
[Brian:] No, I do, I eat, I eat plenty of fruit... and... occasionally I'll have... a bag of chips.... Very, very occasionally!
[Phyllis:] We have... we have erm... fresh vegetables every day.
[Brian:] Mm.
[Raymond:] And black pudding!
[Margaret:] You're pretty active though aren't you?
[Brian:] No.
[Phyllis:] No.
[Margaret:] You're not very active?
[Brian:] Well I am
[Phyllis:] But not me.
[Margaret:] And you're
[Brian:] I'm up... up and down stairs
[Margaret:] you're still fit.
[Phyllis:] I will up... I will up your insurance!
[Margaret:] Yeah.... Get the policy and get him to sign before he does anything else!... And stress!
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Stress is probably... a greater factor than has been allowed for up to now.
[Raymond:] Yes, but don't... women...
[Brian:] You won't actually get
[Raymond:] give a lot of stress to men?
[Margaret:] Pressure!
[Raymond:] I'm, I'm just asking the question!
[Phyllis:] Brian's not here enough to take any sp pressure from me!
[Raymond:] I mean, they probably don't! [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] He's not here long enough!... He works one and half shifts, or two double shifts....
[Brian:] You stick with me!
[Raymond:] Well, better than being!
[Margaret:] That'll keep you in black pudding for a while, Brian!
[Phyllis:] Carol's friends... he doesn't though!... He doesn't get paid overtime.... It's erm... these friends of ours, Judith and Peter, they've retired.... They
[Margaret:] Early retirement.
[Raymond:] Oh the one... from Manchester?
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh well.
[Phyllis:] They retired the sixth of March.
[Margaret:] Had they sold... the boarding house? Or have they
[Brian:] No they've got a hotel.
[Margaret:] Have they?
[Phyllis:] Hotel, yeah.
[Margaret:] I thought you were gonna say the children are having it.
[Brian:] No, they sold it and er
[Margaret:] So what, what are they gonna do?
[Brian:] Nothing.... They've got enough money not to...
[Margaret:] Worry.... Mind you, they've worked hard for
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Margaret:] quite a few years, haven't they, to build that place up?
[Raymond:] Sold herself to death that girl won't she?
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER] Quite possible []!
[Phyllis:] Well she's
[Brian:] But
[Phyllis:] only... she's only about forty eight... and Peter's about
[Raymond:] This yours?
[Phyllis:] fifty five or fifty
[Brian:] He's fifty five.
[Phyllis:] six.
[Margaret:] She was a heavy smoker wasn't she?
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Brian:] But they've got the mobile home
[Margaret:] She is a heavy smoker, is she still?
[Brian:] in there.... In the lakes... so, they're gonna spend as much time as they can... round the
[Margaret:] Up there.
[Brian:] the lakes walking, which they love anyway.
[Margaret:] Mind you, I think the last few years they... they'd sort of erm... relaxed a bit more
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] hadn't they?
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Brian:] Yeah.... But Peter used to rush home on a... on a Sunday... for the hotel for... for the guests that were coming in Sunday.
[Raymond:] Monday morning you see, yes.
[Brian:] Or Sunday afternoon
[Raymond:] Oh I see yeah. Start er, work on a Monday wouldn't they, yeah?
[Margaret:] Well it's... one of those occupations or businesses... that he had to be there more or less well while he was building it up.
[Brian:] Sure.
[Margaret:] Round the clock wasn't it? It was... no holidays... for a
[Brian:] But they
[Margaret:] few years.
[Brian:] they sold it... for quite a bit of money... and
[Phyllis:] Well when he was thinking of selling it before he was talking about three hundred thousand.
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Phyllis:] So I bet he's come away with a quarter of a million!
[Brian:] Oh yeah, the guy that... he hasn't reduced it at all!
[Margaret:] He hasn't?
[Phyllis:] Oh well he's asked them... what he was asking for it then?
[Brian:] Mm.... This guy wanted it.
[Margaret:] Did it take him very long to sell it?
[Brian:] A chap saw it in... November, no! Sorry, September... and really they weren't... bothered about selling at that time... although they always said if the right offer comes along
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] anyway, they went away and... this chap saw it... and er... he made an offer and Peter... flatly refused it!... They went away on their... silver wedding... was it their silver?... In October... Novem
[Phyllis:] They went on a cruise round the Caribbean didn't they for
[Brian:] It was November wasn't it?
[Phyllis:] for three weeks or something?
[Brian:] Yeah, well that was their silver wedding anniversary wasn't it?
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Brian:] And they came back and... didn't hear anything. Anyway, just after Christmas this guy says er... I still want... the hotel... so Peter said well you better put something down, you ge, better get something... so he... he went and put fifty thousand... as a deposit on it... and... then said... his legal... advisers would be in touch... and they had a month went by and they never heard anything, so Peter rang up, he was telling me the other day, er, he rang up... yeah, go, he doesn't want it you know?
[Margaret:] Did he, did he have a... the buyer have to... sell some property?
[Brian:] No.
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Brian:] No, nothing!... Anyway, erm... he got a letter, erm... when was it? Gi, he got a letter... a fortnight ago to say... he wanted a completion date... of the sixth of March!... This... this... this chap
[Margaret:] My birthday!
[Brian:] did... and erm... everything was through... the money, everything, went in that fortnight!... Er, they had to be out
[Margaret:] So that was quite quick then really
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] wasn't it?
[Brian:] They, they got straight out. Anyway, er... they we, they moved out last Friday... so... this week when he rang me, they'd been round past the hotel... and er... there's walls being knocked down! There's
[Margaret:] Oh God!
[Brian:] everything!... So what this... people are gonna do with it... bu but it's a prime location.
[Margaret:] Perhaps he's getting ready
[Brian:] I mean
[Margaret:] for the er, Manchester Olympics?
[Brian:] Mm mm mm.... Well, it's quite possible!
[Raymond:] Long way to go for that!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] So
[Raymond:] If it ever comes off?
[Brian:] But... Peter and Judith are
[Phyllis:] The thing is, with Peter and Judith the, I mean their house is only a modest house isn't it?
[Brian:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] Isn't it? I mean they don't
[Margaret:] They've got a house in Manchester haven't they?
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Brian:] Yeah
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] just a... half a mile from the
[Phyllis:] A semi
[Brian:] hotel like.
[Phyllis:] detached er
[Brian:] .
[Phyllis:] average
[Margaret:] Home.
[Phyllis:] type of house, you know?
[Brian:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] And they're quite happy to stop there.
[Margaret:] Mm.... Well!
[Brian:] It's a quite a
[Margaret:] That's it, I mean they can live on
[Phyllis:] Well he
[Margaret:] their... investments I suppose.
[Phyllis:] well they didn't get a... a good income.
[Raymond:] Ooh yeah
[Brian:] Oh yeah!
[Raymond:] I'll say!
[Brian:] I said to her... Judith, when she rang... ah, what's the old man gonna do?... And she said... nothing!... I said, he won't be able to... she said I think he will.
[Phyllis:] They're having a year
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] off aren't they?
[Brian:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] Before they
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Well []
[Phyllis:] decide what they're gonna do.
[Margaret:] I was gonna say they're having the rest of their lives off by the sound of it!
[Brian:] Mm.... I think he'll do something
[Margaret:] So, they may... Mm.
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Brian:] have to.... And be involved in something.
[Margaret:] Oh well go back to the
[Raymond:] Should be very nice to have the money.
[Brian:] Swines!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... I hate them already!
[Raymond:] I'm not bitter!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... Grinding the teeth!
[Brian:] I mean he... he spent a lot of money on the last few years on the hotel... cos he had... six extra rooms built on didn't he?
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Brian:] He had a wing built on.
[Margaret:] I know you said he'd,ma, had all the rooms made
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] en-suite.
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Margaret:] And er
[Brian:] And that was quite a lot of money
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] there.... The building, then you got the re-fit and you gotta... re-furbish it and then he had a
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] four poster bed
[Phyllis:] A sauna and
[Brian:] A sauna.... It was quite a good little ear, I mean it was a commercial hotel... and
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] that, that was it, basically, but... think it was
[Margaret:] Well how long have they... had it?... About seventeen years was it?
[Brian:] Yeah, because it's only half
[Margaret:] It may be about that.
[Brian:] a... they only bought half of it
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] ... it was
[Margaret:] Initially.
[Brian:] half, it was a big house and the they bought half of it.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] It worked out and then they only lived in the other half while they were doing it, wasn't it?... Then they bought the whole lot. No!... They had half
[Margaret:] They converted all of it then did they?
[Phyllis:] They lived in the basement.
[Brian:] That's right, they lived in the basement. They bought half... excuse me... half of it... and they lived in the basement, then the other half came up for sale so Peter bought... the whole lot then
[Margaret:] Building... mm.
[Brian:] and then converted it into a... you know, sort of, a modest... hotel.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] And er
[Margaret:] Well obviously he's built up his clientele over the years
[Brian:] Oh yeah!
[Margaret:] and er... it's paid off.
[Phyllis:] It's a commercial hotel so he had all his weekends off.
[Brian:] Yep.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] And Friday afternoon they could get away
[Margaret:] Off to the golf course.
[Brian:] No! To the caravan or
[Phyllis:] They do a lot of walking.
[Brian:] They
[Margaret:] Do... what?
[Phyllis:] Walking.
[Brian:] Walking.
[Phyllis:] I mean they're going
[Brian:] Oh!
[Phyllis:] to Majorca for a week but... it won't be to... laze around... it's for... it's for walking.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] Cos this is the ideal time to go.
[Margaret:] Yes, that's right.
[Brian:] Can't think of going on holiday
[Margaret:] Before it gets too hot.
[Brian:] abroad and packing your walking boots though can you?
[Margaret:] No but, I mean
[Phyllis:] Well they do, they love it!
[Brian:] I mean they... they've got these soft walking boots, I don't know whether you've seen them?
[Margaret:] Well... Cathy's mum and dad
[Phyllis:] They're light
[Margaret:] do it, you know.
[Brian:] Yeah!... Only at night.
[Raymond:] Oh yeah, cos I saw them once!
[Brian:] Mm.... I mean, when you think of ours, I mean there's your... she says you'd
[Margaret:] Yeah!
[Brian:] your feet are aching
[Margaret:] .
[Phyllis:] No, but if we star, if we did it seriously, we'd have different boots wouldn't we? We
[Brian:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] but we don't.
[Brian:] Oh well, alright! Horrible thing!... Wait till the weather's fine we'll be up there.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Well we used
[Margaret:] Well no wonder they go up to the lakes a lot, cos I mean, it's beautiful
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Margaret:] up there, for walking isn't it?
[Brian:] Where they've got their van sited... it is
[Margaret:] Where are they? Where is it? I mean
[Brian:] It's erm... just by Newby Bridge... at erm... Newby Bridge.... We say... er... how can I explain?
[Phyllis:] Past Kendal.
[Brian:] Yeah, it's past Kendal
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] erm... heading towards Grange-over-Sands
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] and they're about
[Margaret:] Is that going... west is it, or east?
[Brian:] West.... Instead of going
[Margaret:] Ah!... It's in
[Brian:] This is to Kendal
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Brian:] and instead of going... Kendal, and up to Windermere
[Margaret:] To the right, yeah
[Brian:] yo you go
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] on the map!... On []
[Brian:] you go there to the left towards Grange-over- Sands
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Brian:] and... Newby Bridge... is just around there.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] But it's a lovely... erm... location!... itself I mean I
[Phyllis:] Well it is erm... it is a proper... mobile home and they've got
[Brian:] Oh yeah!
[Phyllis:] a bit of garden where there's... you know it's... got like a little rockery and you've got
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] erm... picnic area... well... barbecue area they've
[Brian:] Yep.
[Phyllis:] got.
[Brian:] Nice!... Where's the photographs of it?
[Phyllis:] Ooh, I don't know.
[Brian:] Oh!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] But then it cost them sixteen thousand didn't it?... With a site.
[Margaret:] How long ago was that?
[Brian:] Two years ago.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] Well about that.
[Phyllis:] And the they... they keep saying to us, why don't you use it.
[Margaret:] You see in the... lakes... mm, I mean you pay much more though
[Brian:] Oh yeah, you pay for the site.
[Margaret:] isn't it?
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Brian:] This is the thing.... Cos it is a nice site
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Brian:] Got everything piped on there... so
[Margaret:] Mm.... Is it... erm... are there are any residents there? Is it a residential?
[Brian:] No, it's only a te, well I mean you can only stay on it for ten months a year.
[Margaret:] Ah yes!
[Brian:] A year... so er... from the first of March... to the first of October... you can use the... but... after
[Phyllis:] You can go up for the day.
[Brian:] Oh yes, but you can't
[Margaret:] Not continuously occupy it.
[Phyllis:] But you're not
[Brian:] No.
[Phyllis:] sleeping
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] there.
[Brian:] And they like the... erm... the water, excuse me!... [yawn]... they like the water drained out... the site, you know, they like it sort of all the water switched off on, on each van
[Margaret:] Oh yeah!
[Brian:] through the winter
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] so there's no... there not gonna be any
[Margaret:] Freeze up.
[Brian:] any problems at all
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] they can drain the whole system on the site so
[Phyllis:] I mean you can go up there if you were going to stay and make a cup of tea and a... sandwich or something.
[Brian:] So you're taking your water with you.
[Phyllis:] Well you'd have to take a car... er
[Brian:] Kettle of water.
[Phyllis:] water.
[Margaret:] So is there somebody on the site all the time
[Brian:] Oh yeah
[Margaret:] then?
[Brian:] there's a resident
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] erm... site manager there.... I think he opens the... no, he can't do it on the site cos it's in er... what is it?
[Phyllis:] National Trust.
[Brian:] National Trust... land so
[Phyllis:] Well where they are you can only see a, one other van can't you? Yet there's loads there, it's just the way the....
[Margaret:] Oh it's on an elevated spot is it or the
[Phyllis:] Well sort, there sort of like little coves aren't they and... they're... you can only just see one van from where they are.
[Margaret:] Oh that's nice because it's
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Margaret:] private.
[Brian:] Oh yeah!... I mean we had er
[Phyllis:] It's like being in the woods isn't it?
[Brian:] marvellous time didn't we?
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Brian:] It was so quiet!... Erm, until it rained... and when it rains
[Margaret:] And then it drums on the roof then!
[Brian:] Ahhh
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] Bloody hell, I mean you
[Margaret:] Especially in the night!
[Brian:] It's all it's all trees.... But the... they're fine in the summer.... But they're hellish... cold in the winter!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Yes... yeah.
[Brian:] Erm... but they are colder than a caravan!
[Margaret:] Well, I mean they're only thin walls aren't
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] they?
[Brian:] But cos
[Raymond:] Ooh aye
[Brian:] they're so long... erm... they always seem colder... than a caravan... although it didn't
[Phyllis:] We've never been in the winter... that was whe... I wouldn't know!
[Brian:] No, I mean when we went up it was... it wasn't... erm... winter time... it was... late summer wasn't it, when we went up?... It wasn't so warm.
[Phyllis:] I love
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Phyllis:] a bit of cold!
[Brian:] And... i... it felt damp.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] And if you wake up in the morning... and all the condensation
[Phyllis:] It didn't!... Oh the windows were, but it never felt damp!
[Brian:] It did to me the first time we stayed.
[Margaret:] Just weren't used to it you see.... Well there wouldn't
[Brian:] Oh yeah.
[Margaret:] be any heating in the bedrooms, I don't suppose, would there be? Just a
[Brian:] No, it didn't have a radiator in the bedroom.
[Margaret:] The heaters are erm, in the kitchen or the lounge area I suppose.
[Brian:] Well it's...
[Margaret:] Nice to spend time in the... in the warm weather though.
[Phyllis:] Mm.
[Brian:] I think I would have... bought something a bit more substantial at it, I mean, if you've that amount of money, they must have a fair amount of money
[Phyllis:] No, they didn't, though, no.... The money was tied up.
[Margaret:] Well er, I know what you mean
[Phyllis:] It was all tied up.
[Margaret:] and... I understand that because I, I'd... probably feel like that, I'd sooner invest in bricks and mortar even if were only a little end-terrace house
[Brian:] Yep!... Yep....
[Margaret:] than a caravan... or a mobile home on a site.
[Brian:] You see they, they've only got so long on this site with that van
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Brian:] and then they've either got to replace the van
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] [yawning] Pardon me []!
[Phyllis:] But erm, on that... site, he's pretty good the manager there.
[Brian:] They've only got six years.
[Phyllis:] No!... Tha, as long as you... keep it
[Brian:] Oh yes!
[Phyllis:] maintained
[Brian:] Mhm.... Mm.
[Phyllis:] they'll let you... leave it on longer.
[Margaret:] But
[Phyllis:] They
[Margaret:] otherwise is it normally just a six year
[Phyllis:] Well I thought it
[Brian:] Normally.
[Phyllis:] was ten?
[Brian:] No, no! It's normally six years... then you replace your vans on the sites.... That's the way
[Phyllis:] Oh it's not six years! You'd tell us anything
[Margaret:] It doesn't seem very long does it? For six
[Brian:] Peter told us it was six
[Phyllis:] You couldn't spend sixteen thousand and leave it there for six years!
[Brian:] Course you can!
[Margaret:] And wha... you'd have to re
[Phyllis:] It was longer than six, six years!
[Brian:] It wasn't
[Phyllis:] I think it was ten years! Take no
[Raymond:] Ah.
[Phyllis:] notice of him!
[Brian:] It was six years Peter mentioned!
[Margaret:] You're not a reliable source
[Phyllis:] No he didn't!
[Margaret:] of information Brian sorry! [LAUGHTER]... Get your facts
[Brian:] He mentioned six years to me!
[Phyllis:] Rubbish!
[Brian:] He mentioned six years!
[Phyllis:] Rubbish!
[Brian:] He mentioned six years to me!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] Rubbish!
[Brian:] I'll tell you!
[Phyllis:] I'll mention six years to you! You won't live another six years to find out!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Oh oh oh God []!
[Brian:] Kept up with the insurance policy!
[Margaret:] [yawning] Ahhh []!
[Raymond:] Cooking down to you boy!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Might I go to the toilet mam
[Phyllis:] No!
[Brian:] No, no! Take that microphone with you so we can hear what your doing!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Will you stop it?
[Phyllis:] You haven't still got it on have you?
[Margaret:] No!... Hopeless... with that on because... of course, he's been... wearing a pullover all the time and... initially he had it clipped on the right hand side of his belts... and of course, with that switch... where is it? The red switch... there... being... right on the end... when you depress that the play switch goes down as well. But with him having on this side, because he's so blooming awkward... he's been pressing the play switch... and of course, so the tapes been turning round, haven't bothered to che, so... you know, he was sort of saying well... well play that tape and I'll... write their names down of the people as they speak, just the first names, you know... so there's loads of
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] loads of blank spaces on these tapes []!
[Phyllis:] You're best just putting it on a table Margaret.
[Margaret:] And the rest of the time... he's had this, sort of on, on the pullover here and of course it's so sensitive that it... it picks up every... rustle!... I mean... he was talking to Norman... over the fence the other day and it sounds like gunfire
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] In... in the microphone you know []!... Every now and again the... voice comes in.... I mean, it was a windy day as well and I don't think that helped because the wind was sort of blowing into the mike... but er... and when he took it to college there was this noise all the time, he must have had it clipped under here somewhere!... I said, well you know it's gotta be
[Phyllis:] I'll put the kettle on for you Brian.
[Margaret:] it's gotta be... outside [LAUGHTER] the clothing []!... But erm
[Brian:] Well it's, it's alright, I mean
[Margaret:] Well... er, I think probably, I mean i so, this lady came on Friday and she's coming on Friday of this week to collect it... or collect the tapes
[Brian:] Mm.
[Margaret:] and she said... you know, use as many as you can which... which we have done... [LAUGHTER] and a lot of blank spaces on them []!
[Brian:] You haven't got... er
[Margaret:] Er
[Brian:] Top of the Pops on one of these?
[Margaret:] Mm mm, no no, no.
[Brian:] No?
[Margaret:] Or Radio Two, tried but er... but erm... he's got sort of better. I mean, today we've been to... well we went into Henry and Norman's and they were... having a chat... and it's better if you're just sitting down like this with a mike just... you know
[Brian:] Oh yeah!
[Margaret:] not attached really because it is very sensitive
[Brian:] Ooh ooh yes!
[Margaret:] and I mean, unless yo, and they said don't clip it near your throat because... it would [LAUGHTER]... I felt like clipping it round his throat []!... It er... it would interfere with the erm
[Brian:] Are you taping about that?
[Margaret:] with the reproduction so
[Phyllis:] You've gotta go you have!
[Margaret:] You're coming very close Brian!
[Brian:] She's trying to get rid of me, I'm sure she is!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] You're not are you chuck
[Margaret:] She doesn't mean it really!
[Brian:] No, course she doesn't mind!... Anyway, how about a car boot sale on
[Margaret:] But
[Brian:] Sunday?
[Phyllis:] Ah ah ah!... Oh no! You're not to mention car boot sales!
[Brian:] No.... That
[Margaret:] Really?
[Brian:] No.
[Margaret:] Did yo, have you been to any more since
[Brian:] No!
[Margaret:] No.
[Phyllis:] I've done three meals tonight... now, you can do something!
[Brian:] Three?
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Brian:] What three?
[Phyllis:] Tea
[Margaret:] Teresa's
[Phyllis:] supper... lunch tomorrow.
[Brian:] That's not meals!
[Margaret:] That's an i... one on it's own.
[Phyllis:] Will you do without them then?... Then you'll soon find out if they're meals!
[Brian:] I've got yucky butties tomorrow!
[Raymond:] Is this a... have you been told off?
[Brian:] No!
[Phyllis:] No.
[Brian:] No, she's always shouting at me.
[Raymond:] Ah!
[Brian:] Egg sandwiches tomorrow.
[Raymond:] I think it was the... a very nice
[Brian:] Oh that's lo, beautiful!
[Raymond:] Sandwich filled....
[Brian:] Could of had an egg one of mine.... Don't you like egg?... I like egg sandwiches
[Raymond:] No.
[Brian:] when the egg is warm!
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Raymond:] Oh how common!
[Phyllis:] He doesn't get them when they're warm!
[Margaret:] No.
[Brian:] Unless I make them!
[Phyllis:] Cos they smell
[Raymond:] They s... smell don't they?
[Brian:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Put them straight in and er... get a bendy sandwich.
[Brian:] Yes.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] And then when you take them out tomorrow
[Raymond:] Egg and cress used
[Brian:] that
[Raymond:] to be thing.
[Brian:] they're all
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] []!
[Brian:] stuck to your
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] and you have to press them down anyway... to make them all stick.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] What about a fried egg sandwich they're the ones!
[Brian:] Yeah!
[Margaret:] Oh!... Ooh how common!
[Raymond:] A runny fried egg sandwich!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Oh oh oh []!
[Brian:] Snotty... fried egg sandwich!
[Phyllis:] Oh Brian!
[Brian:] Oh I, I hate it!... I mean if eggs aren't cooked properly for me
[Margaret:] It's alright for sticking wallpaper down though! [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] [LAUGHTER]... It is awful isn't it?
[Margaret:] Oh dear!
[Raymond:] Will you stop it!
[Phyllis:] Do you get the Express?
[Margaret:] No, we don't!
[Raymond:] Why?... What the paper you mean?
[Phyllis:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Good grief love!
[Phyllis:] Oh well, it's a shame then you can't go! [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Hey?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Oh well
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] I want a
[Margaret:] We do make exceptions
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] I want to go!... What's wrong with the Express!
[Margaret:] Well you're not going!
[Phyllis:] Well it
[Margaret:] No, off the back.
[Phyllis:] You're not!... No, you could ask!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Listen... this is a bloody good paper this!
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Only if it's got a special offer in it!
[Raymond:] Just look at the headline!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []!
[Brian:] Andrew and Fergie split!
[Margaret:] No wonder
[Raymond:] Who cares!
[Margaret:] they didn't put... Andrew has finished
[Brian:] whilst they've taken the
[Raymond:] Who cares!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Brian:] I do!
[Phyllis:] Good paper that.... I like the crossword and the target.
[Brian:] [singing] Ha ha ha ha ha ha [].
[Phyllis:] I can do them before I go out.
[Brian:] Would you like a
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER]
[Brian:] Margaret would like a?
[Margaret:] Er... no I don't think I'll have one.
[Brian:] Well you can't fancy a Cointreau cos erm
[Margaret:] No, no it's, it's
[Phyllis:] Why?
[Margaret:] it's alright.
[Brian:] Ooh hang on! No, wait wait
[Phyllis:] The Cointreau gone?
[Raymond:] Er... Margaret's driving... so
[Brian:] Oh no, you can have a little tinsy winsy
[Margaret:] Oh I'll have a little tinsy winsy then.
[Brian:] Can I have one Phyl?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] I hope you've got that thing switched off!
[Margaret:] It's come to the end of the tape now anyway.
[Phyllis:] Right
[Brian:] Phyllis, would you like a little tinsy winsy one?
[Phyllis:] Yes, why not! I'm... always having a tinsy winsy one.
[Margaret:] I thought you said it was in the Express?
[Phyllis:] This is the Express magazine, Sunday magazine.
[Margaret:] Oh! Oh, beg your pardon!... Go on! Carry on... sorry!
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] As you were!
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER]... Right
[Brian:] You said you liked
[Margaret:] There are.
[Brian:] Mr... another tinsy winsy one!
[Phyllis:] [LAUGHTER] Behave yourself []!
[Margaret:] Antiques day
[Phyllis:] Antiques day at... a the, this is the all the places it's at this Sunday... and it's er..., in Chester.... And you
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Phyllis:] take something... along there and they will value it free of charge... providing you've got a copy of the Express!
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Now I see your reasons!
[Brian:] [singing] Ner ner ner ner ner!... We've got one []!
[Raymond:] That's yours.
[Phyllis:] No, we're going!
[Brian:] Oh
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Phyllis:] Have you had
[speaker004:] Ten pounds and ten P... please.
[Raymond:] How's that?... It's there somewhere!
[speaker004:] Thank you.
[Raymond:] Cards for everything now isn't it, hey?
[speaker004:] That's it, yes.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]... Cards and buttons!
[speaker004:] Press the wrong button and you've had it!
[Raymond:] Well that's it, yeah.
[speaker004:] After all, it used a be a tenner [LAUGHTER] for
[Raymond:] I'd be no, I'd be no good!
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER] run to town []!
[Raymond:] I've no patience me. [LAUGHTER] Okay, love bye []!
[speaker004:] thank you.
[Raymond:] Thursday's about the worst day isn't it?
[Eric:] It i... well i, I know you've gotta come
[Raymond:] Tomorrow is great.
[Eric:] Friday but er
[Raymond:] Ooh yes, Friday's not!
[Eric:] I was going to come Friday but I don't know what, is it bad compared with the other days then?
[Raymond:] Ooh I think, yes!
[Eric:] Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday is it?
[Raymond:] Absolutely!... Yes.... It seems to be a
[Eric:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] heavy day!... Never mind! Never mind! What are you doing today then er... Eric?
[Eric:] Polish those two.
[Raymond:] Ooh they're polishing, yes.
[Eric:] I sta, I stained them in a hurry on er... last Friday night so I, I I hope I haven't missed any.... Cos I wanted them to re... settle for a week before starting... on them.
[Raymond:] Yes can be a mistake hurrying the job can't it?
[Eric:] Yeah yes, that's what erm
[Raymond:] We've all done it.... [LAUGHTER] Early?
[Mary:] Good Morning Ray?
[Raymond:] Morning Mary... how are you?
[Mary:] Yes, alright.
[Raymond:] Is that you in the flash car pushing my little one out of the way?
[Mary:] [LAUGHTER] car park.
[Raymond:] Oh it's awful isn't it, on a Thursday? It's terrible!
[Mary:] It is. Ee, you, actually I left my boot open and there were five cars behind me, so he said well if we get our spaces nicked.
[Raymond:] That's right.
[Mary:] I still got a free one.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mary:] Isn't there a mail box here in the college?
[Raymond:] I don't think so.
[Mary:] It's on the way Oh!... Should be one!
[Raymond:] Would of thought
[Gwyneth:] Well, are those your chairs?
[Raymond:] Yes, ah, these
[Gwyneth:] Are they?... Ten minutes to go.
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker004:] It's too high get it back on the chair!
[Gwyneth:] It'll be too high.
[speaker004:] Yes.
[Raymond:] Oh I see, yes yes yes.
[Gwyneth:] Well it's so many things!
[Raymond:] It's higher than the one I... had because erm... the base is... obviously I just had the... springs going across didn't I?
[speaker004:] Yeah I, I sa... I've erm... cos I'm gonna... reduce the
[Raymond:] Mm.
[speaker004:] base, you know the... spring unit what you were talking about.
[Raymond:] That's right.
[speaker004:] If you can get them up
[Raymond:] Yeah that was
[speaker004:] high,
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] So I can...
[Raymond:] So you done it with springs, that's right
[speaker004:] Yes
[Raymond:] yeah.
[speaker004:] just... you know
[Gwyneth:] Is it just cos it's... you're a lady anyhow, I mean she co
[Raymond:] I mean a
[speaker004:] probably not big enough for a man.
[Raymond:] I wouldn't say... I wouldn't say anything Gwyneth, to me i, I'd be quite happy!... But then... Joan is speaking on... how it should look.
[Gwyneth:] What she said was... the head was
[Raymond:] Oh I see, too high?
[Gwyneth:] Yes.
[Raymond:] Well it wouldn't be for you would it?
[Gwyneth:] Well not really.... It depends on doesn't it?
[Raymond:] Those Ercoles that we got, those... wing... they're too... they're too low for me.
[Gwyneth:] I think they are
[Raymond:] Surprising, yeah.
[Gwyneth:] inches.
[Raymond:] No, they're not made for a tall man er, you know my
[Gwyneth:] No.
[Raymond:] wife's quite
[Gwyneth:] and your
[Raymond:] happy but... my head's like this and I I... bit disappointed really
[Gwyneth:] Well that's the trouble!
[Raymond:] I thought that they were... the wings were gonna come up... you know, the, the old type that kept the draught off.... Which
[Gwyneth:] You wouldn't have draughts, you have double glazing! [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Well that's the thing you see but er
[Gwyneth:] If you have double glazing.... Oh dear!... Now I've
[Raymond:] No, but erm
[Gwyneth:] Well I
[Raymond:] That's what I anticipated, but that, yes that's lovely!... Be quite happy
[Gwyneth:] She said
[Raymond:] with that.
[Gwyneth:] she said we didn't... but she's on her own.... I'm not
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Gwyneth:] but she's nice isn't she?
[Raymond:] She'll be al, yes, that's right, yeah, yeah.
[Gwyneth:] You see these are one size anyhow, cos
[Raymond:] The wings, are they?
[Gwyneth:] When it comes in it's hand made which
[Raymond:] Yes, I see
[Gwyneth:] and he made it, you see... I mean i it cost over twenty years ago told me... I think those were too small.
[Raymond:] Small, yes, they should of been a bit
[Gwyneth:] Well, I mean she knows that
[Raymond:] deeper really, so that the
[Gwyneth:] knows that well I'm not... I mean, why should I?... It's different.
[Raymond:] Nice!... Yeah.
[Gwyneth:] Not only that erm... I mean you could
[Raymond:] I think she'll be very happy.
[Gwyneth:] Yeah, I think so.... Yes.
[Raymond:] I think, you know in certain cases you've gotta say to Joe, well you mean that's what the lady wants now... you know those Ercoles I did?... Well she convinced me to start off... with foam, you know... webbing on the foam and I said well
[Gwyneth:] Yes.
[Raymond:] she said it's a lot cheaper... and easier, so I hadn't got the springs at that time
[Gwyneth:] No.... You re, you really
[Raymond:] but then er... somebody said... don't do that... you've gotta think what the value
[Gwyneth:] That's right.
[Raymond:] of how it's
[Gwyneth:] Definitely!
[Raymond:] supposed to me.
[Gwyneth:] See, I did it
[Raymond:] So
[Gwyneth:] once
[Raymond:] in the end I persevered
[Gwyneth:] when I first came... when I first came, that was the one thing that I was... like... that... was the fact that... that I might be pushed... that way... whereas... I only
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Gwyneth:] really nice... he's thinking that... I mean that, he couldn't never lift the seat up.
[Raymond:] Oh it's gorgeous!... That's why I love the... sprung hair and the horse hair ideally, you know I love it!
[Gwyneth:] I mean, do you know
[Raymond:] Now that'd be better for me
[Gwyneth:] better for you
[Raymond:] but then I... as I say, you don't cater for every height on the
[Gwyneth:] Whe
[Raymond:] chair do you?
[Gwyneth:] When I went to Noreen's... if I make that to be used with a cushion or without
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Gwyneth:] she can always put the cushion over the
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Gwyneth:] and then take it off the chair.
[Raymond:] Well it, ah well, of course the other thing you'd have to do to do that is put a top
[Gwyneth:] Oh I'll do that in there.
[Raymond:] Oh that's what you're doing is it?
[Gwyneth:] I've got enough material.
[Raymond:] Oh well!
[Gwyneth:] I've got enough material.
[Raymond:] So you're gonna give this a top stuffing?
[Gwyneth:] Yes.... No, I'm gonna give that a top cover for this.
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Gwyneth:] That's what I want.
[Raymond:] I see, just one, I see yeah.
[Gwyneth:] That's right.
[Raymond:] So all you want is a bit of erm
[Gwyneth:] on the side... you know, piece of wadding
[Raymond:] Wadding.
[Gwyneth:] I've got the both types.
[Raymond:] Well that's great!
[Gwyneth:] I've got the narrow... and I've got the thick.
[Raymond:] That's great! So she can please herself can't
[Gwyneth:] Mm.
[Raymond:] she? And you can make
[Gwyneth:] I think the
[Raymond:] that... loose.
[Gwyneth:] Yeah, and then
[Raymond:] Good!
[Gwyneth:] she, if she wants a cushion she can put it on, and
[Raymond:] You're happy! Joan's happy!
[Gwyneth:] That's right.
[Raymond:] Everyone's.
[Gwyneth:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] That's a good idea that!
[Gwyneth:] That's, that's got one.
[Raymond:] You've got in effect, a dual purpose
[Gwyneth:] Mm.
[Raymond:] chair... haven't you?
[Gwyneth:] I if I set it up there
[Raymond:] It's too low is it, for you?
[Gwyneth:] Well
[Raymond:] I see yes.
[Gwyneth:] The height from there
[Raymond:] Oh yes, I see, yeah.
[Gwyneth:] isn't it?
[Raymond:] Mm, yes. It's that comfortable it's actually going off to sleep here!
[speaker004:] You'd better get some work done you know.... I had to get her out of bed this morning!
[Raymond:] He was erm... very lugubrious... moustache, and he looked
[Gwyneth:] Oh!
[Raymond:] oh that was the character he played, you see.
[Gwyneth:] ... that's how he.
[Raymond:] Yeah, but... he was... er, opening this thing, this particular day in Buckley so... big name, you know... ma, most of them they watch it all the time you see.... for the rats.... Ooh!... Excuse me, you've... ha, you've tripped your... and the... you know, the... all lad, he said, no it's not worth it for me, so... I'll be going before you draw it....... That is true!
[Gwyneth:] right, right he had never.
[Raymond:] That is true!
[Gwyneth:] You give me your, that I'll shall give you this ring so I went... is that right?
[Raymond:] Well I... I was so shocked!... My God, all that money!... And he's... [LAUGHTER]
[Gwyneth:] Well he...
[Raymond:] No.
[Gwyneth:] Nothing.
[Raymond:] No, you know,the
[Gwyneth:] honestly... when you
[Raymond:] I mean most people here just said yeah, yeah... not having it!
[Gwyneth:] It's
[Raymond:] They go. Not interested... with the... in the... you have to give ten percent.... Another chap, he's a big name in a church in Buckley he was a... an old neighbour of ours... and I never liked cos he used to... himself... with a bowler hat on... they are only back twenty years, you know, bowler hats!... I got in... you know, on this guy he's... oh no, no, he said he he'd got one at home, he said I can't afford blooming two!
[Gwyneth:] Oh!
[Raymond:] And I'd got... I'd bought one of his! And I thought... oh!
[Gwyneth:] Well that's.
[Raymond:] I pinched
[Gwyneth:] They are bad! I said, well even when you... you know, I do the finishes
[Raymond:] Yes.... Yeah.
[Gwyneth:] he come and collects them then...... but, but normally and... and people
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Gwyneth:] But I
[Raymond:] Oh yes!
[Gwyneth:] mean... well why doesn't he... I mean I don't like Peruvian...
[Raymond:] No no.
[Gwyneth:] I mean, I told
[Raymond:] Well I mean, he probably ate a horse or anything stopping this slaughtering... shipping them over to the... France or anything any more he's burnt their blinking
[Gwyneth:] Well now... it's the
[Raymond:] It's disgusting.
[Gwyneth:] time of year... I mean... he... you just.
[Raymond:] Oh I usually give but... I do get a bit tired of it sometimes!
[Gwyneth:] But now
[Raymond:] When they get hold of me... [LAUGHTER] twice in the one day you say []... hang on... I've just given to you [LAUGHTER] the bus []!
[Gwyneth:] That's right, when you want to get your bus home
[Raymond:] They say, all alright! Are you having a... a reverse effect?
[Teresa:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] It's the lady... what's your name again?
[Teresa:] Teresa.... I've only been here three years now! Yes, I'm okay.... [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] No, I don't yo, remember
[Teresa:] Ah.
[Raymond:] this... with our... like, first year last year... erm, er she lives somewhere near Paula.
[Teresa:] Oh!
[Raymond:] But she was a... funny girl!... But erm... very, very quiet, you know? She was good on this! But, she dropped out, but anyway... I sa... she'll say... oh you're whistling aren't you, and singing? I said, oh I lo I love it, I lo, I said I know it sounds awful... thought no more... [LAUGHTER] and then Shirley said to me... when she'd gone []... she said, she came up to me one day she said... I wish to God he'd stop that bloody noise, [LAUGHTER] this time []!
[Teresa:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] So I told my wife, she said []... I told you, she said, you drive me mad!
[Teresa:] Did she? Do you drive her mad too?... Oh well!
[Raymond:] No, I like to hear... a bit of music to go along.... That's all.
[Teresa:] Oh yeah.
[Raymond:] It doesn't sound like music to anyone else!
[Teresa:] No wonder she thinks!
[Raymond:] I'm sorry about that [LAUGHTER] she said []! She's got no chance has she? She
[Tim:] No, especially.
[Raymond:] You were stationary?
[Tim:] I wasn't...... I didn't see the herfs, dum... Er, the hoofs
[Raymond:] Not your car?
[Tim:] Oh no!
[Raymond:] Oh I thought somebody
[Tim:] No
[Raymond:] said it was you!
[Tim:] I heard er er der... at er... erm... parked... in the other car park... I heard the hoofs go bang!... In the...
[Raymond:] But he was sitting in the car was he and... and she came and back into him?
[Tim:] But she said... he wasn't there when she started to reverse.... And that
[Raymond:] The golden rule is if you're reversing you must look behind you!
[Tim:] Yeah, but she said she did... and he wasn't there.
[Raymond:] Yeah, but a... it's too bad ee,yo yo... I don't know
[Tim:] I think the
[Raymond:] you when you learnt to drive... when you came to reversing you're told you must look
[Tim:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] out of that rear window all the time... not using your rear view mirrors... look once as well.... That's what a lot of people do,the, they look once and then turn forward and bang!... It's fatal!... Cos anyone can whizz in behind you!... And she's got no chance if she told the truth!... Of course, the other thing, if she says oh well I er... didn't know this feller was moving and er
[Tim:] Yeah... they're never going
[Raymond:] to thump him,.... Cheeky devil! My God I wouldn't have the gall to argue would you? You'd say I'm I'm sorry
[Tim:] there.
[Raymond:] oh!
[Tim:] He said... well... what have, what am I gonna get him poor feller!
[Raymond:] Ted is it?... Told her, Ted
[Tim:] Yeah, yeah.... He just said, I stood, get in the car... then as
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Tim:] he came to the corner stop... and she reversed straight into him!
[Raymond:] And she's arguing?
[Tim:] She's arguing!
[speaker004:] Er
[Raymond:] In the butchering department.
[Ted:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] So how you going, alright Ted?
[Ted:] Oh fine!
[Raymond:] Apart from the... drama?
[Ted:] Apart from the drama!
[Raymond:] Yeah, Chris is er... what's his name?... What's the... forgotten his name now! Is it
[Ted:] ... er, I don't know what his... his
[Raymond:] It isn't Ted is it? No!
[Ted:] I don't know his name, this is
[Raymond:] It's gone now
[Ted:] the dentist,
[Raymond:] yes.... But
[Ted:] It is a... it's a name... but I don't know what his first name is.
[Raymond:] How are you Fiona, alright?
[speaker004:] Okay thanks Ray.
[Raymond:] So is it badly smashed this car or is it just the bumper?
[Ted:] Well it's not, I want the bonnet sprayed...
[Raymond:] She's got no chance!
[Ted:] No!... None at all!... A a just I just want it bonnet, I want it to go in, bonnet spray job... and have a look at her face!
[Raymond:] Instead of her saying oh and what have I done, I'm sorry!
[Ted:] And er she says,sh she said... you came round the corner too quick, you weren't there when I looked in the mirror!... So she says right... what's your name? So I said... Lesley, she says to me... are you in agreement with her? I says... all the way back.... And he, he
[Raymond:] And he was stationary was he?
[Ted:] he just said... he was sitting there... waiting to ma
[Raymond:] Well if he she's got no chance!
[Ted:] waiting for her to see what's coming!... He was stopped!
[Raymond:] She wasn't looking!
[Ted:] She said, but, well you were going up to, around that
[Raymond:] Oh yeah!
[Ted:] corner too fast!
[Raymond:] Bet she never looked!
[Ted:] Said no way!... She didn't look!
[Raymond:] Should never reverse unless you're looking out that back window!
[Ted:] Well she said she did and he wasn't there.
[Raymond:] Couldn't have done!
[Ted:] Oh he was!... But but but he was there!
[Arthur:] What did you do just carried on?
[Raymond:] I put the brake on... and locked them, I shouldn't of done!... So the bumper's torn off the back
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] the front wheel i, she'd gone sort of along it an, and
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] hit the head... and, and my front wheel... it's always the front bumper!
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] And the tyre was going down... then she said... I didn't do [LAUGHTER] that []!
[Arthur:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] I said, what!
[Arthur:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] I didn't get you! Only hit the bumper, I thought well what's happened, I said? Look at the mark on the wheel!... Oh I, I didn't think I'd done that!... Now, she went off then, she heard my... address, and my... you know er
[Arthur:] For insurance and that.
[Raymond:] Cheerio!... I'm stuck in the road!... I had to change the tyre, it's, you know I see it's the... my God, I've heard some good-uns in me... but people are like that you know!... They can wriggle out of something, they
[Arthur:] Yes
[Raymond:] you know, they will!
[Arthur:] I did the... er... there was a... an ambulance came down the road... in front of a bus you see, and a chap which was on the cor, side the road and he... he went like this... so I stopped... and... the ambulance came round... and turned into this... building site... and I... and... while we were sitting there... bang!... Hey!
[Raymond:] Oh no!...
[Arthur:] What happened?... I jumped out the car... young girl had a car... that... erm... back of my car... and dented the boot a bit and er... her car was shambles!... Folded up.
[Raymond:] Well was it dark or something?... Didn't she
[Arthur:] Mm?
[Raymond:] was it dark?
[Arthur:] No, it was... perfectly... broad daylight and... lunchtime....... And a, as she went back I sa
[Raymond:] Oh dear!
[John:] You know?
[Raymond:] Thirsty yes?
[John:] Lots, lots, lots of! What d'you think,?
[Raymond:] Mhm.... Lovely colour, but I like it.... Nice and old fashioned, ha?
[John:] Mm.
[Paula:] , she won't move... away from
[Raymond:] What, she's in a... an ordinary
[Paula:] Ordinary house, yeah.... But it's lovely inside... cos he had it all done out for her... but she just won't move!... I can understand it, it's her roots isn't it?
[Raymond:] Suppose he goes
[Paula:] You know?
[Raymond:] back all the time to see his mum
[Paula:] Oh
[Raymond:] does he?
[Paula:] yeah, yeah! Yeah
[Raymond:] Yeah
[Paula:] they er... and Harry Secombe lived down the road from me... and he was in Cheam, and he was erm
[Raymond:] That's right, he did!
[Paula:] he was there years and years, and then suddenly
[Raymond:] Surrey, isn't it?
[Paula:] about three years ago he uprooted and went to Guildford.... He lived right on the main road... he was very vulnerable! But he had a lovely house!
[Raymond:] Ha!
[Paula:] Yeah!... And John's... been in there, he's done work for Harry Secombe in his house.
[Raymond:] Has he really?
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Paula:] Hot Chocolate,Cho erm... Cliff Richard... erm... who's the other one?... There's the King singers.... Done a farm house for one of the King singers... in er... Oxford.... Yeah!
[speaker004:] How did he
[Raymond:] Harry Secombe, I think is in the... we get the Sunday... Observer you know, they have the
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] magazine, there's a
[Paula:] Mm.
[Raymond:] a room of my own I think it was, it
[Paula:] Mm.
[Raymond:] shows you the houses of, you know
[Paula:] That's right, yeah.
[Raymond:] it's usually writers or, in this case
[Paula:] But the one he had at Cheam was a lovely house!
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Paula:] It was right on the main road... and he was there years and years and years
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Paula:] and years!
[Raymond:] But they're and the
[Paula:] As long as I can remember.
[Raymond:] the theatres and
[Paula:] in... no! No, no!
[Raymond:] Well... if he lived in
[Paula:] It was right in the in the road
[Raymond:] Wales, that'd be too far wouldn't it, to travel
[Paula:] Oh yeah!
[Raymond:] you see?
[Paula:] So he
[Raymond:] So
[Paula:] er, well,Guil erm... he wanted to er, go to Guildford I presume... because that's his vicinity for doing all his work you see?... Should be able to commute and
[Raymond:] Yes
[Paula:] that.
[Raymond:] that's right.
[Paula:] But erm... lovely house he had
[Raymond:] But you're
[Paula:] in Cheam!
[Raymond:] you're, you're from... Elephant and Castle... aren't you?
[Paula:] John is from Bermondsey.
[Raymond:] Where's?
[Paula:] John is from Bermondsey. I was born in... in er, Stockford, Brixton.
[Raymond:] Brixton?
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh, you're right down the... road from... Margaret!
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] With... Croydon and erm
[Paula:] With John... and John Major... John Major.
[Raymond:] Oh John Major is there!
[Paula:] Erm... well Maggie, she she
[Raymond:] Oh Brixton, we
[Paula:] I mean she's only moved to erm
[Raymond:] Chelsea now, isn't it
[Paula:] Er
[Raymond:] she?
[Paula:] er,ye, no she was at erm
[Raymond:] It's on a new estate
[Paula:] Oh dear!
[Raymond:] wasn't she?
[Paula:] Er, and
[Raymond:] er
[Paula:] they, they wanted to get rid of her, they didn't want her there!... So she got, they got rid of her!... Oh dear!... I've lived there, Herne Hill it was, near Herne Hill.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Paula:] But I erm... I was born in West Norwood,nes,wo... West Norwood... but where John Major took you to last night on his tour
[Raymond:] Well I didn't see it anyway so
[Paula:] you see I, I lived in... er... er which is a turning off.
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Paula:] Lived there till... I was about... fourteen.... Brixton, it was lovely then!
[Raymond:] Yeah.... Ooh it's slum
[Paula:] But after the war
[Raymond:] now!
[Paula:] Oh it's terrible!
[Raymond:] Well you know Thornton Heath?... It's where Ma
[Paula:] Yes.
[Raymond:] well Margaret's brother still lives there.
[Paula:] Well all around there, Streatham all round there.... Yeah.
[Raymond:] Yeah, Streatham, Thornton Heath.
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Erm... I mean, it's a nightmare now, the traffic!
[Paula:] It's the not the traffic, it's the bloody blacks!
[Raymond:] Lot of coloured people
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] there, yes.... Yeah.
[Paula:] It it's just a league of nations there and every... shop... is... black people... in Brixton, but it were a lov, they used to able to get on a... a two, three, a fifty nine, or a hundred and fifty three... to Oxford Circus on the bus... you was there in twenty minutes!... Cos I used to
[Raymond:] Ooh yes!
[Paula:] take all the gowns up to er... Marston's, Selfridges... all the gowns that I used to make... that we used to make.... If it hadn't of been for the war I'd have been a model!... I mean, don't look at me now! But I would of been a model.
[Raymond:] Just about to say you've got the figure.
[Paula:] when I was training.... Look, I haven't now love!... No, only for except, ex-directory! [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Paula:] Ex
[Raymond:] Excel... not [LAUGHTER]
[Paula:] [LAUGHTER]... If only the
[Raymond:] But ah!
[Paula:] war... when the
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Paula:] war started in nineteen thirty nine... it was declared on my birthday... third of September. Naturally!... I started it all!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Paula:] And er... the first bombs that came over Britain they must be erm... our company got it!... First, you know
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Paula:] just bombed to the ground!
[Raymond:] Oh yes!... Ooh!
[Paula:] And I just couldn't... so, and anyway, so I joined up.
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Paula:] So that was my life, I only had about two years in
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Paula:] civvy street!... Went to college... for dressmaking, but there we are!
[Raymond:] Life!
[Paula:] I used to live in Brixton but then... it... was so sentimental last night because John Major... he took us all round there because that's where he comes from you see
[Raymond:] I see.
[Paula:] a erm... that was his erm... constituency.... And erm... he lived... erm, a few doors away from us... but, well then I didn't know that until
[Raymond:] No.
[Paula:] last night!
[Raymond:] I see.... Ah same
[Paula:] I didn't know!
[Raymond:] street!
[Paula:] Only no, a few do... a few streets
[Raymond:] A few streets away.
[Paula:] Sorry! A few streets away.
[Raymond:] Oh I see, yeah! Yeah, yeah.
[Paula:] In
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Paula:] Road, he lived in Road which was... off Lane... and erm... what was the other one?... We lived in.... Erm... they had a lovely big old... Mrs Bridges houses... my grandma
[Raymond:] Victorian
[Paula:] had the house.
[Raymond:] houses, yes.
[Paula:] And there was a placement... first floor, second floor, and where they used to be... starting to live... beautiful house!
[Raymond:] Mm, oh yes!
[Paula:] I mean, I didn't think so at the time but... when I think of it... you know, and later when I came back after the war we, oh my God!... She died... my grandfather died and... blacks got it just sold up!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Paula:] I broke the, orh
[Raymond:] Yeah, yes, yeah.
[Paula:] It was a lovely house!
[Raymond:] Well there you are!
[Paula:] But...... it was lovely!
[Raymond:] Everyone wants to get away now don't they? I mean... Margaret couldn't go back it's er
[Paula:] I would... what?
[Raymond:] It's too... the
[Paula:] Hey?
[Raymond:] hurly-burly there, it's just a terrible place!
[Paula:] Where did your mum li, come from?
[Raymond:] Er, ooh yes, that's right
[Paula:] Your mum, I take it we're talking about?
[Raymond:] Croydon.
[Paula:] Croydon.
[Raymond:] In East, East Croydon.
[Paula:] Murder!... It's not so much that, it's getting through!... Used to take a time just to get home at night!
[Raymond:] I know!
[Paula:] Wandsworth
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Paula:] just down from Maulden!
[Raymond:] It's murder!
[Paula:] We we because you went in
[Raymond:] And there's the speed!
[Paula:] the morning
[Raymond:] Well, where John lives like, I forget the name of the road now, you just pass Thornton Heath you know... turn
[Paula:] Yeah
[Raymond:] left there
[Paula:] it's Streatham all that way.
[Raymond:] and this... this long road goes er... must be two miles, more than that!
[Paula:] Tooting Beck?
[Raymond:] No, no, it's it's... Thornton Heath, that's his address on the, just
[Paula:] Yeah, but well, I see yeah
[Raymond:] this road... er, a few shops and then you turn left at John's road... but er, and he... there's two private houses, two bungalows that were built... twenty
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] years ago in, in
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] amongst all these old
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] ones you see.
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] But when you come to turn into his drive... there's the ca, [LAUGHTER] you know... the cars behind you doing sixty odd []!... Put the brakes
[Paula:] I know!
[Raymond:] on to warn them and then
[Paula:] Oh!
[Raymond:] zoom!
[Paula:] Oh I know, terrible!
[Raymond:] And then when you wanna get out of his drive
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] you've gotta have someone there to... to back you
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] out because
[Paula:] Get your nose out otherwise they'll have it straight away!
[Raymond:] And he said... John said, oh yo, you can hear the bumps here all the time and the
[Paula:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] the buses and that,the these cars are parked on the pavement
[Paula:] Yeah but what
[Raymond:] bang!
[Paula:] you, I bet you if your John... if if if he said... that it's mostly blacks!... They all live there!
[Raymond:] Well he he is he, he is quite
[Paula:] It's a black community.
[Raymond:] prejudice, John and er the the
[Paula:] Yeah so am I!
[Raymond:] there are a lot of erm
[Paula:] So am I!
[Raymond:] there's one or two. But I always say well
[Paula:] I can't stand them!
[Raymond:] there's plenty of bad whites!... Aren't there?
[Paula:] Oh there is... there is
[Raymond:] You know I... in fact
[Paula:] But
[Raymond:] the times I've been done down in my life it's been mainly by the white people!
[Paula:] Yeah, well John's been done down by the black people! Endless
[Raymond:] Oh no, John's
[Paula:] pakistanis, he can't bear them!
[Raymond:] he's had a... a couple of bad experiences of
[Paula:] Two!... Two!
[Raymond:] and so I suppose it puts you off, but there you are.
[Paula:] Took all our profit they did, the bastards!
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Paula:] God forgive me for swearing! [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] I like him
[Mary:] Oh!
[Raymond:] he used to be in it was power to the people
[Mary:] I he's unbelievable!
[Raymond:] Is that
[Mary:] Yes
[Raymond:] the one?
[Mary:] that's right.
[Raymond:] And and then
[Mary:] The power
[Raymond:] then he was
[Mary:] and er
[Raymond:] in that serial about last year.
[Mary:] He done Me and My Yes.
[Raymond:] About liverpool.
[Mary:] Erm
[Raymond:] That's him isn't it?
[Mary:] Oh er... B H... er, B G H!
[Raymond:] That's his play he's in now is it?
[Mary:] G B H, grievous bodily harm.
[Raymond:] Oh yes, yes I I read the, yeah
[Mary:] Now he's in Me and My Girl now... with the er, with his wife, I was... I didn't think he was married to her.... She's with... the girl who's in that series but it's like the American one with... she's got a male housekeeper... and she... it's duri, it's ju it's only a comedy in the afternoon.
[Raymond:] Oh, I wouldn't of seen that, I don't know!
[Mary:] Or evening, early evening
[Raymond:] I don't... I don't... English actress is she or
[Mary:] Yeah, yeah, blonde.
[Raymond:] Oh I don't know her.
[Mary:] Lovely she is!
[Raymond:] Perhaps I know the face but
[Mary:] Oh you will
[Raymond:] you know.
[Mary:] if you see the series, remember
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Mary:] the series... Honor Blackman was in it.... It's only just gone off.
[Raymond:] Oh that, oh I know yes! And she had
[Mary:] It's gone.
[Raymond:] this lady... er, in the house, it's American, is that the one? No?... With Honour Blackman.
[Mary:] Honour Blackman was the mother... a grandmother
[Raymond:] I saw one one episode
[Mary:] I think it was her daughter had a
[Raymond:] Saw one.
[Mary:] and then there was erm... the feller who was the housekeeper.
[Raymond:] Yes.... I think I saw a bit of one.
[Mary:] And it, well it was her that he was married to but... i he was... he couldn't get over it, it was such a shock to him!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Mary:] You know, it was really you could see
[Raymond:] I like him.
[Mary:] he was so surprised!... He'd
[Raymond:] Wha
[Mary:] come a long way that man!
[Raymond:] Oh yeah! yes, he's a
[Mary:] Cos it was
[Raymond:] a classical actor isn't he,?
[Mary:] Oh he is!... Well they're busy doing King Lear and they went on stage.
[Raymond:] That's right, yes. That's right!... We've got the tape of him
[Mary:] [LAUGHTER] He couldn't believe it []!
[Raymond:] in King Lear.
[Mary:] Yes.
[Raymond:] With Laurence Olivier.
[Mary:] Couldn't believe it!
[Raymond:] Mm.... Oh yeah!
[Mary:] And this feller who's
[Raymond:] Well if they've got that grounding
[Mary:] was
[Raymond:] they can diversify.
[Mary:] Yeah, he's very
[Raymond:] They got that
[Mary:] he very versatile that man.... I mean, I saw him when he first started as a schoolboy... in erm... oh a series with erm... the army series... what's it called? Erm
[Raymond:] Oh, that's right yes!... Yes, you're right
[Mary:] oh dear!
[Raymond:] he was in that, yeah!... Yes he was.
[Mary:] ... curly, a slight curly headed feller used to be in erm... a series at the
[Raymond:] Tony... Selby.
[Mary:] That's right!... Then he said to
[Raymond:] Get... Get Some In.
[Mary:] he said I've, that's right!
[Raymond:] Get Some In.
[Mary:] Then he said I fink
[Raymond:] The RAF.
[Mary:] I fink... so he said how many F's in fink
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mary:] So he's... got his nose to him like that and he says... two... so Robert Lindsay says to him... free! [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Did you see the other one that was interviewed on Terry Wogan?
[Mary:] No I didn't see
[Raymond:] Is it Ni... is it er, Lyndhurst is it?
[Mary:] Oh yeah!... Yes!
[Raymond:] First time I've ever heard him
[Mary:] Yes.
[Raymond:] very... quiet.
[Mary:] Now John... I said to
[Raymond:] Very quiet.
[Mary:] John, he was in Prince and Pauper in his young days.
[Raymond:] And of course he really sounds so... well spoken.
[Mary:] Yeah.... Oh, he's, he's lovely!... And erm... he was in Prince and Pauper and John could remember him, he was the
[Raymond:] Was he?
[Mary:] Prince in Prince and the Pauper, as a schoolboy!
[Raymond:] What the film you mean?
[Mary:] No, no, on the television!
[Raymond:] Ah!... I never saw
[Mary:] Yeah he was.
[Raymond:] that
[Mary:] Prince and the Pauper, oh God donkey's years he wouldn't have
[Raymond:] Said he was a child then, did he? I do, I can't ever remember it.
[Mary:] He, he mus be thir
[Raymond:] All I can remember Butterflies.
[Mary:] He's over thirty now. Oh
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Mary:] yes.
[Raymond:] He's in Butterflies.
[Mary:] No, it's long before that.
[Raymond:] And he was like that wasn't he?
[Mary:] Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
[Raymond:] But, he's a sa, he's a lovely person!
[Mary:] But he isn't thick he's great! [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] He likes his family you know, he's a
[Mary:] Yeah, I think he's lovely!
[Raymond:] won't have anything to do with the... the press, you know he
[Mary:] No.
[Raymond:] seems to keep them well away, yeah house.
[Mary:] Yeah, that's right.
[Raymond:] I don't blame him!
[Mary:] Wonderful trees, there's one that... that used to be something called
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Mary:] a Tobby... and they do this body camping, they have to do it early in the morning or late at night when it's cool... and it produces this... liquid which... verbella it's already fermenting and at this
[Raymond:] Oh yeah.
[Mary:] rate you have to add... at first, you can drink it while it's fermenting, it's quite a refreshing drink a bit tart to my taste... but when it ferments out... it becomes er... a liquor called Arak which is their version of.
[Arthur:] Oh I've heard of that.... Where do you say, Sri Lanka?
[Raymond:] Oh dear!
[Arthur:] I've been there.
[Mary:] So have I. [LAUGHTER]... Just last week.
[Arthur:] This is this
[Raymond:] Ah
[Arthur:] week were you?
[Mary:] Yes.... My
[Arthur:] Well
[Mary:] daughter lives there.
[Arthur:] Oh that's nice!... I used to go through once a month.
[Mary:] Did you really?
[Raymond:] It's not a laxative is it Pat?
[Arthur:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mary:] It's like... a piece of wood from... Sri Lanka.
[Raymond:] Thank you very much Pat.
[Mary:] So it should be.
[Arthur:] Actually... this week... this week I sent a... a telegram from the Gall Place Hotel to Gwyneth on our wedding anniversary.
[Mary:] What, you were there this week?
[Arthur:] No, this week... many years ago.
[Mary:] Oh really?... Yes my daughter went, went to Gall Place Hotel swimming pool a lot.
[Arthur:] Yes.
[Mary:] We went to erm... we went.
[Arthur:] It's very nice... sitting on the ver... veranda looking out to sea.
[Mary:] Has it all gone?
[Raymond:] Thank you Pat.
[Arthur:] Under the palm trees, you know.
[Raymond:] I know we've been to er... Colombo, near the... we went there camping.
[Arthur:] Did you?... Yes.
[Raymond:] It's a beautiful place!... But... not everyone... you know... wants of the old times.
[Arthur:] Yeah.... I used to land at Migombo... property... er... Matmalamo originally... and then they changed it over and we used to land at... Migombo... But it was a funny spread! It was er... cut out of palm trees and it got... palm trees on... hundred feet high,... both sides of the runway.
[Raymond:] Good grief!... One mistake and er
[Arthur:] Yeah, well that's and you used to get some
[Raymond:] Coconuts in the cockpit!
[Arthur:] you could get some pretty he hefty winds down there you know, the old monsoon used to blow
[Raymond:] Oh yes.
[Arthur:] I've had some.
[Raymond:] Yes that tropical weather you see. Erm... he would of made a good singer, yes.... Of course, he used to
[Mary:] Well... it makes a nice change
[Raymond:] get in these didn't he?
[Mary:] in amongst all that rubbish!
[Raymond:] Ooh yes!... Oh gosh, absolutely, yeah!
[Mary:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] I used to love his films, I did!... But erm... he wa, he was not an opera singer you know, he couldn't erm
[Mary:] No, but if I'd said that
[Raymond:] couldn't sustain a role for two or three hours. Oh yes!... Yes.... He was only thirty... thirty
[Mary:] What?
[Raymond:] thirty six when he died you know!
[Mary:] Was he?
[Raymond:] Oh oh yeah.
[Mary:] like that.
[Raymond:] Oh I was reading about the... twenty three stone!... Just killed himself with over indulgence you know, in... drink an an er... eating.
[Mary:] And meals
[Raymond:] A shame isn't it?
[Mary:] Most probably if he hadn't gone to Hollywood that would never have happened.
[Arthur:] Well... it was er... it was transparent in the water... you could see the fish in the water and... and er, you could see the turtles and the
[Gwyneth:] And the otters.
[Arthur:] otters and, and
[Raymond:] Beautiful!
[Gwyneth:] everything.
[Arthur:] ah dear!... But, she was as nervous as a kitten because we were, we were in a... one of these Canadian type er
[Raymond:] Oh the dugout, sort of canoe, yes, the curved and
[Arthur:] type canoe,India, Indian canoe type thing you see... and the blo... but he was a... an old mariner, he was seventy seven and he volunteered to take us on the river.... And
[Gwyneth:] He said that.
[Arthur:] he said, he was, very nice chap!... He was like Bing Crosby... you know
[Raymond:] Oh blue eyes!
[Arthur:] to hear and look at him.
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Arthur:] And he said... erm... now I don't want to alarm you he said but er, have you any been on a canoe before and er... [LAUGHTER] I said no []!... And er
[Gwyneth:] I'll cross my fingers!
[Arthur:] Yeah. And he said er... no, he said er... I hope you can swim er, he said because they're rather unstable... and er... and he said, now erm... if we er bump into anything like erm a... he he hesitated in his speech and he said... like a log or a er er or alligator... he said... freeze!
[Gwyneth:] Freeze!
[Arthur:] Don't move! He said... I'll make the decisions!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Arthur:] [LAUGHTER]
[Gwyneth:] And still I've made it through!
[Arthur:] And she's sitting there petrified!
[Gwyneth:] And do you know, you've heard it
[Raymond:] Don't frighten the alligators!
[Gwyneth:] Yeah
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Gwyneth:] don't fri... you know when you sit on your bottom... in a canoe and that, you've not probably been in a canoe
[Raymond:] I have actually been in a
[Gwyneth:] but you can see all movement
[Raymond:] Oh I know it's a funny thing!
[Gwyneth:] and and but, you know like they say you [LAUGHTER] []
[Arthur:] You know at the slightest wobble
[Raymond:] If, you feel as though it's gonna go sideways or something!
[Arthur:] Yeah, yeah.
[Gwyneth:] But he said... i, don't... ju freeze because he said, otherwise we'll all be the bath!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Arthur:] [LAUGHTER]
[Gwyneth:] And the, for the first half
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] With the, with alligators []!
[Gwyneth:] for the first half hour I sat... didn't dare put my
[Arthur:] bit difficult
[Raymond:] on.
[Arthur:] to take photographs, I got my movie cam, my video camera you see and I... I didn't
[Raymond:] Oh yeah.
[Arthur:] dare move! And I was
[Gwyneth:] We were like this.
[Arthur:] I was just doing like this you see, I didn't dare swing round.
[Gwyneth:] Just a scratch.
[Raymond:] What for... fo for what?
[Gwyneth:] It it's for...
[Raymond:] Oh
[Arthur:] Sa that's safe way of....... That's
[Raymond:] So the er wha beyond the John er Oh [LAUGHTER] I see []!
[Margaret:] He keeps filming us!
[Raymond:] You get a surprise.... [LAUGHTER] Where's it gone []?
[Margaret:] It's very good he... the video's just as safe as if... children... that needs character... what do you think?
[Raymond:] Well I don't know whether you can... sort of, tape in advance... can you?... We, we can't, no
[Margaret:] I don't understand it! I don't mess with the thing.... I just let
[Raymond:] No.
[Margaret:] them do it. [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Son told us how to do it once, so he got the book out and he said, oh, then he gave up in the end!... Because er... we tried it and we got the wrong ruddy film!
[Margaret:] Ya.
[Raymond:] You know yo, it's all these buttons isn't it, you've gotta... you've really got to be into it.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] You know []... you know my three year old grandson... he knows [LAUGHTER] how to do it
[Raymond:] Oh I know!
[Margaret:] his nana []!
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Try and look nana, that one... and that
[Raymond:] Experts
[Margaret:] one.
[Raymond:] aren't they kids, though!... Brought up quick you see.... I don't envy them though, I don't
[Margaret:] Oh no I don't.
[Raymond:] I'm old fashioned and that's it! I don't know.
[Margaret:] No.... Too old [LAUGHTER] to change aren't we []?
[Raymond:] But i... I must say I like... it is... a marvellous thing to be able to do that!
[Margaret:] Oh yeah.
[Raymond:] Just sit down and watch a ruddy tape you know and
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] pre, put it in and
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] I mean to say er... used to see people years ago and they got these cine cameras and... and all, we could never have one of those you know and... a record of the kids when they were young.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] And I mean
[Margaret:] Well look at me stupid
[Raymond:] You only got a few minutes didn't you?
[Margaret:] this stupid thing is is... going and taping rugby matches [LAUGHTER] all the time []!
[Raymond:] Oh yes!
[Margaret:] But,
[Raymond:] Well of course he would!
[Margaret:] you kno
[Raymond:] That's what he wants to see.
[Margaret:] I know.... Yes, but he doesn't stop and think... you know, what else can we do?... to get this... tape in.
[Raymond:] That's it.... Kids! What can you do?... [whistling] She has been in the business for about a year... yeah.... Dressmaking mainly, but... you know, anything at all, yeah, she's been at it that long!... But, but people when people when they come to your house and want things done they're tight you know!
[John:] Oh yeah, they're not
[Raymond:] Terrible!
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] They say it won't take you long!... A... a skirt, how much is a skirt? Well... five pounds an... well I only ee, you know
[John:] Mm.
[Raymond:] I could do it myself.
[John:] Yep.
[Raymond:] And I sa and I said well why... why don't you?
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] She's given up now, she just does it for friends now the you
[John:] Mm.
[Raymond:] know, that, who pay but... obviously
[John:] Yes.
[Raymond:] they're getting it done cheaply.... But... some people are grateful.
[John:] Well Beryl has a cousin who's er... tremendous degree of spasticity in the legs... even worse than
[Raymond:] God bless her!
[John:] poor er... Brian... you know
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[John:] she can only go round with two sticks... and she gets er... while Beryl's here in house... but erm... the brave little kid she... er... did a degree... in erm... art... and... costume design, you know, dress design... with a... erm... and she's set up a good business at home.... And... well sh she's... built up a goo... er steady little clientele.
[Raymond:] Clientele, yeah.
[John:] She does a lot of er... work... erm... but she's doing work... there's a place in Chester, Harrison... you know, Godford Lane
[Raymond:] Oh yes, I've... Yes.... Yes. I know, yeah, yeah... oh my wife knows
[John:] Erm
[Raymond:] it quite well anyway.
[John:] Well they... they get her to do... or even... erm... they got one cutting... girl who came in... er... got a... photograph from Vogue... erm... Michael Caine's daughter
[Raymond:] Oh!
[John:] and her wedding dress... and she wanted a dress like that.
[Raymond:] Oh yes!
[John:] Sent... they... send it to Elizabeth.... Er... so as it happened this girl had got the material... erm... a wild silk cream... and er... Elizabeth made up this dress for her... of course er... Michael Caine's daughter i... is quite a busty girl, you know
[Raymond:] Oh I see, yeah.
[John:] and this bride wasn't
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[John:] so it didn't qui, look quite the same, you know!
[Raymond:] Had to make
[John:] So
[Raymond:] a few drastic alterations!
[John:] So when it was made
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[John:] she decided she didn't like it!
[Raymond:] Ooh!
[John:] Erm... [LAUGHTER] so []... Elizabeth got on to Aristocrats... so what, what happened?... Oh do don't worry!... Don't worry at all we've contracted with you to do this dress
[Raymond:] Oh, that's right.
[John:] we'll just take it into stock.
[Raymond:] Yeah.... Yeah.
[John:] No problem whatsoever!... Erm... but she's got er... girls... this one is, lady's six foot three!... And she found it terribly difficult to get dresses!
[Raymond:] Absolutely!
[John:] Erm... oh her husband now is absolutely delighted with all she does! She's goes along to... some illustration out of book... and er
[Raymond:] She does... design or something.
[John:] something she's seen in a magazine or
[Raymond:] Oh I see, yeah. Oh she
[John:] She
[Raymond:] can design as well?
[John:] No.... Choose the design
[Raymond:] Ah that's
[John:] on a dress.
[Raymond:] that is very talented, yes!
[John:] And... and she's got a couple of lady solicitors who come to her!
[Raymond:] Yes, I think, and also it depends on the area that you live, do you think John?
[John:] I don't know.... Oh she's
[Raymond:] You know perhaps you're in
[John:] Erm... the older part of Whitby... and..., just a little... semi... erm
[Raymond:] Mm.
[John:] you know, she, she lived in.
[Raymond:] I think if she went in to live in the back woods, you know, way beyond
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] sort of er
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] as I say, you get good people that are... quite willing to pay, but others who
[John:] Mm.
[Raymond:] are... they do
[John:] Oh I know!
[Raymond:] they want it done cheaply because you're working at home!
[John:] Yeah, they think you're a....
[Raymond:] The attitude, which is wrong
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] really! You know I sa, told Margaret, I said look don't er... I'm very sorry but we can't do it!
[John:] I've known people also raise bedding plants at home... erm
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[John:] but er... it's just the same, the... they
[Raymond:] Yes.
[John:] go to a nursery... and pay six or seven times as much... and
[Raymond:] They want it for nothing or or next to nothing!
[John:] Yeah, I know.
[Raymond:] They don't want it half price
[John:] They don't realise!
[Raymond:] they want it for a
[John:] You still got the
[Raymond:] fifth!
[John:] same... overheads
[Raymond:] Heating.
[John:] heating costs and
[Raymond:] , yes.
[John:] compost and... all of that.
[Raymond:] And the work is... tremendous
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] doing that sort of thing, I'd, something I would never take but there you are that's people for you!
[John:] What?
[Raymond:] Like this game to some extent isn't it? The furniture they want it... somebody'll want it done for no I've broken many the dowel or tenon or something like that!
[John:] Oh!... In just
[Raymond:] Erm
[John:] watering?
[Raymond:] Well, I mean, say it's like that where you just... polishing with a cloth or something
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] but he has a... an actual syringe er, mortaring tenon you know.
[John:] Ya.
[Raymond:] Say that was a tenon there... the underneath part of the chair you're not gonna... see... drills a hole in there
[John:] Mm.
[Raymond:] and then jegs... and after a few... five minutes
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] doesn't get... you know, it breaks down the glue inside.
[John:] and that hasn't broke. [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] No, no, you've been lucky there but
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] it's a good tip that you know, isn't it?... I've never heard of it before.
[John:] Michael?
[Raymond:] Michael the erm... the up, the furniture restorer that's erm... he's coming here.
[John:] He's not here.
[Raymond:] Three hours every Tuesdays for the... second years
[John:] Oh yeah.
[Raymond:] and giving us tuition on... real antique furniture, he doesn't do anything in his shop... erm... after eighteen forty... or it's all more or less Georgian, very Georgian actually.
[John:] And whereabouts is he?
[Raymond:] In er... Heswell... I, I've never been there, he's got a workshop... in Heswell
[John:] What and you go on a... you go on a course there?
[Raymond:] No he co, he comes here.
[John:] Oh does he? When is
[Raymond:] He
[John:] that?
[Raymond:] wants
[John:] He comes here on Tuesday?
[Raymond:] On on a Tuesday, he wants to go and teach you see, I think he's got arthritis in his... one leg.
[John:] Is he er... the man with a beard?
[Raymond:] Yes.
[John:] Mike, he's called?
[Raymond:] Michael.
[John:] .
[Raymond:] He's written a book. We've all got the book.
[John:] Oh yes!
[Raymond:] Yes.... He's a lovely chap
[John:] Ahhh
[Raymond:] honestly!... Very, very interesting!
[John:] Yeah.... And and yo
[Raymond:] I
[John:] you do it... his course here on erm
[Raymond:] Well he he sort of came and asked us, you know... do you mind
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] he he's gotta do this... thirty hours I think it is... to
[John:] I see!
[Raymond:] to get this
[John:] Teaching?
[Raymond:] other exam.
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] As I say, they... he qualifies you see.
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Er... so it's mainly erm... what I've just been telling you about... cleaning... all
[John:] Mm.
[Raymond:] screws, how to identify furniture and... mainly ol... and his methods are totally different to... what we've learnt here, especially with polishing
[John:] Mm, mm
[Raymond:] and that.
[John:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Uses hardly any polish... it's nearly all waxing though.
[John:] Is it?... Oh!
[Raymond:] Stripping and everything's a different technique.
[John:] Oh very good!
[Raymond:] But he
[John:] And that's part of your three days is it?... You do three don't you?
[Raymond:] Yeah, ah that's right, yeah.... Well er, the Tuesday is supposed to be... furniture restoration, that's what it's been
[John:] And yo, that's
[Raymond:] but then he started doi you know, a few weeks ago it wa, well it'll be the fourth week I should think!
[John:] Mm.... And
[Raymond:] Fourth.
[John:] who do you do the er... for?... Furniture restoration.
[Raymond:] Well that's the... the three day, you know, George i he's
[John:] George, Bill and
[Raymond:] No, Bill doesn't go in! No,
[John:] He doesn't?
[Raymond:] This is just... woodwork.
[John:] Oh I see.
[Raymond:] Ah well we do a bit of copying.
[John:] Now that's, is is that in this class here? In this room?
[Raymond:] The first years come in here... for upholstery.
[John:] Mm.
[Raymond:] We go in there to the... woodwork
[John:] And that's on Tuesday mornings?
[Raymond:] Tuesdays. Yeah, yeah
[John:] Oh I see!
[Raymond:] It's a fiver each that is.... Some
[John:] I wouldn't mind doing that.
[Raymond:] Well, I I liked it, you know it's... it's so interesting and er... he is very good!... Trouble is, some of them have made the mistake I think, of saying well... it's not good for us because we don't do really old furniture you know.... Nobody's gonna come to us for the lease of erm... William the fourth or anything like this!
[John:] No.
[Raymond:] Or William and Mary and say er... can you do, they're gonna go to an expert like him.
[John:] But then... if they got tips
[Raymond:] You never know, you might have to do a... top of an
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] old, really old
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] table.... And not just go on and strip the
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] which
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] he's still really... tha that's a
[John:] Yeah, you ca
[Raymond:] of him that is.
[John:] No.
[Raymond:] Don't, never use that stuff!... Makes his own wax!
[John:] Does he?
[Raymond:] Showing us how to
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] we're gonna do some... between us.
[John:] So if he's got to... he's ga got to re re-buy something then he just clips it down with sandpaper does he?
[Raymond:] Oh no!... No, just... cli, and yesterday he'd got this marvellous cleaner he uses.
[John:] Just wipes it.... It just cleans.
[Raymond:] Cleaner... and then er... wire wool at... at the last
[John:] Mm.
[Raymond:] resort
[John:] Mm.
[Raymond:] but... oh he he, he does do stripping obviously but the
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] the stuff he uses is ve isn't as... caustic as the stuff we
[John:] No.
[Raymond:] use.
[John:] No.
[Raymond:] It just takes the surface off.
[John:] Yeah.... Yeah.
[Raymond:] And then th, the object in the, is to build up a pattern
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] there you see, so it still looks old.... And he
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] does a lot of patching, somebody's got a... cigarette hole you, you've gotta match that up.
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Very interesting!
[John:] Yeah.... But it would pricey... If I wanted to come you see, I'd have to pay again!
[Raymond:] Oh well, yes, yeah, oh well I wouldn't be coming.
[John:] I'd have, I'd have to pay for it.... I have to
[Raymond:] That's right.
[John:] pay for everything I do, you know.
[Raymond:] It's part of my second year, so... yeah I know.
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] So I'll be in the same boat as you next year.
[John:] Will you?
[Raymond:] Well yeah, I've had a... come for one day, pay for a day and hope I can... sneak in on the two day. That's what
[John:] Ya.
[Raymond:] you can do.
[John:] Mm.
[speaker004:] Yeah well we could
[Raymond:] I mean, Joan said well ma, you know make the numbers up, once you're here... come in on the second.
[speaker004:] Well we can still be away for about four lessons at four thirty so er
[Raymond:] Well that makes up
[speaker004:] and he'd been away for three months so that you know I mean...
[Raymond:] Well you see Eric was offered two months.... Little Eric, the one that's always
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] in there.... So the... let him come in the day, two days... he was off two months, Christmas time,
[speaker004:] How is he?
[Raymond:] with his bad back.... Tha, well he went to Spain for a month to sort of recuperate.
[speaker004:] Yes.
[Raymond:] And and come in on the, he came on the Tuesday and he's been three days a couple of weeks so...
[speaker004:] Eric will be pleased at that.
[Raymond:] Between friends I think
[John:] I haven't got a bad back, she had me
[Mary:] Wings on... you would wouldn't you?
[Raymond:] Ooh yes!
[Mary:] Yes.
[Raymond:] The wings go on last don't
[Mary:] Last
[Raymond:] they?
[Mary:] yeah.
[Raymond:] Yeah, yeah.
[Pat:] Ray, can I ask you?
[Raymond:] Sorry Pat, what?
[Pat:] Have you got glue from the
[Raymond:] No.... Yes.... Kept this space
[Pat:] There?
[Raymond:] specially for you Pat.
[Pat:] Oh that's very sweet!
[Raymond:] With you in mind.... Well erm... Mary's here... so she can budge up a bit.
[Mary:] Yes.
[Pat:] A gem you are!
[Raymond:] There's usually another guy here today so he hasn't showed up, so there you are so... we got bags of room. From what I've heard she'd got no chance that lady! Well yes.... As long as you're alright.
[Tony:] Bit shocked really I suppose.
[Raymond:] Yes, well it is! Yo you sort of er... if you ran into someone you know, you do something silly it's it's it's... it's automatic to say oh I'm sorry we will... you know how much
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] ?
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] But today, especially these youngsters the attitude is I'm
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] not saying anything!
[Arthur:] Course it is, you say anything
[Raymond:] Now it's sticking out a mile, but the time home that make up another ruddy story to give
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] to their insurance I mean
[Arthur:] Oh yeah.
[Raymond:] it's awful.... But
[Arthur:] Oh she blamed me, she said I was coming round the corner... at high speed!... And I, we weren't anywhere near the corner!... We were this end... sorry, we were this end, you know....
[Raymond:] Yo you were stationery were you?
[Arthur:] I was stationery.
[Raymond:] She got no chance! You ran into a, I mean... if she's reversing
[Arthur:] She reversed
[Raymond:] She's not looking, she couldn't of been looking! She's she's looked then she's taken her eyes off the back.
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Must of!
[Arthur:] Well, she probably didn't look at all!
[Raymond:] Could be.... I mean I I
[Arthur:] I said, I hooted her as well.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Arthur:] And er
[Raymond:] That's fatal! But I I was always taught, probably like yourself that you must look through that, turn round and look through that rear
[Arthur:] Yes.
[Raymond:] mirror. Cos if you take your eye off for a second, bang somebody's there!
[Arthur:] Oh yes.
[Raymond:] So I don't think she's got much hope now you know.... Have you got witnesses anyway?
[Arthur:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah [].
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Arthur:] I hope sa er..., see of course it's all question of getting it sorted out as quickly as you can.
[Raymond:] There's the insurances and the tale that she tells them but tha, I think they'll have that weighed up you know. Ha!
[Arthur:] Well I hope so.
[Raymond:] Cos I had an awful experience about... ooh, four years ago, I had this old Moggy... Morris Minor... coming along very slowly... north of Hull it was... and this chap and his... about finished work you know, so I... going past this... cri, there's a cricket match going on... and he was looking like, I could see... and his girlfriend!... And the car just went like this... into the middle of the road slowly... towards me... I swerved... onto the... grass
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] verge... and he caught my back bumper an an ripped it off you see!... Got out the car, said good God lad what were you doing? And he never said anything and he said... something like, I'm not saying anything.... I said... you ran into me, look at the position of the cars!... Ooh no, he said we'll swop insurances that's all he'd say!... It was his dad's car.
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] His dad was on holiday.... Anyway, I, I should of got the police there and then and had
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] him breathalysed although it wasn't
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] drink or anything but
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] police said to me afterwards you should of... we can't fight your claim... you
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] should of had him there and then and measured up the road a bit
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] we could see how
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] you're too late... to have ended up knock for knock.... It's as though
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] it were partially my blame you know.... They paid half... of erm
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] totally his fault you know!... But these youngsters today they could kill
[Arthur:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] someone they wouldn't er
[Arthur:] Yep.
[Raymond:] they wouldn't be compassionate about it you know.
[Arthur:] Well I proved I was stationery this morning there's no way she's right.
[Raymond:] Oh no, I think you got a pretty good case there.... It's nasty though isn't it? It leaves a nasty taste in your mouth. Where are you, North Wales, Chester?
[Alice:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] I thought, ooh... by that
[Alice:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] you know.... Anyway, one lady... came... came to the house whilst I was here... and she said oh... it's not quite what I want.... last week... getting married.
[Alice:] Just a.
[Raymond:] Put a deposit down will you, oh can't
[Alice:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] pick it up till the weekend.
[Alice:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] But I'd come down to er, one two five you see in the local paper.
[Alice:] Oh!
[Raymond:] So... anyway, it's gone. As I say, it didn't cost
[Alice:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] me much.... Didn't cost me
[Alice:] No.
[Raymond:] anything to... to buy that one
[Alice:] Oh well.
[Raymond:] so er... but it's stuck there for er weeks on end, you know we've been finished it
[Alice:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] bit of a.
[Alice:] And the? Oh yeah,tha, that was Lorraine... you know Lorraine that was here.
[Raymond:] Yeah, but then... I suppose
[Alice:] But then she's you know, otherwise hers.
[Raymond:] Where does sh... where's her shop?
[Alice:] in Wallasey
[Raymond:] Oh, in Wallasey again?
[Alice:] Ah.
[Raymond:] I see, yeah. Oh well I could go there and have a look, anyway one day
[Alice:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] because... is she the only one there is she or
[Alice:] She might be interested I don't
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Alice:] I don't know whether the other girls go round with her but erm... what's the other girls name... that was here?
[Raymond:] Wah I didn't know that very well. I knew
[Alice:] Oh!
[Raymond:] Lorraine because I, you know
[Alice:] She ru... she, she does her own work she starts being
[Raymond:] Oh yes, there was another girl, yeah.... Yes.
[Alice:] A friend of my daughter's went in the other week and bought a little erm... table off her... erm... and, you know, it's quite, I mean it's all, that's it.... Wanted some new furniture.
[Raymond:] Trouble is she only wants to buy it off you cheaply you see, for
[Alice:] If you can, it's how she does it, she might erm
[Raymond:] Sometimes they sell things for you don't they? And charge you for it.
[Alice:] That's what I was gonna say, I she liked that new erm... in there. I know
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Alice:] she did do that, what they get for it... erm
[Raymond:] Usually they're pushed for space as well, you see, that could
[Alice:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] be... the other thing, you know.
[Alice:] It's been there... er, for sale for a few months and sold it by February at a
[Raymond:] That's right.
[Alice:] loss.... To save on.
[Raymond:] She had the Monday market didn't she?... like all... things, you know, though people do tend to go in and look and then say ooh yes, very nice!
[Alice:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] We'll think about it and say ooh oh... you have this don't you?
[Alice:] Especially at lunch with the they come up and spend
[Raymond:] Ooh yes.
[Alice:] little bit on [yawn], they're still buying.
[Raymond:] Ooh yes!
[Alice:] Because they're going... they go by the band road... down south.
[Raymond:] And sell it much dearer there obviously so er... you know
[Alice:] They, they still buy it...... no, okay I can charge... where in this economic situation and we think.
[Raymond:] Oh no, no!
[Alice:] No I... no, there is erm
[Raymond:] We bought, we bought stuff ourselves you know, to people and we've spent on it, so
[Alice:] Yeah.
[Gwyneth:] It's my last weekend... but it was such a scramble!... I was, wanting to get home... I, I couldn't
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Gwyneth:] be bothered but erm
[Raymond:] Yeah.... Well you know the erm... Handbridge...?
[Gwyneth:] Yes.... Yes
[Raymond:] Well you
[Gwyneth:] Yes.
[Raymond:] but I think there's only one... shop there, The Pearl Antiques... just over the bridge on the right hand side
[Gwyneth:] Over the bri, oh I know yes! A
[Raymond:] anyway
[Gwyneth:] that they call Vineholts... Vineholts is a cake shop right opposite there.
[Raymond:] Oh yes, that's right yes.
[Gwyneth:] Well I hadn't been there for ages!
[Raymond:] Have you got a a row of shops on your left... by the pub
[Gwyneth:] Yes, and then on the right
[Raymond:] then er er a park on your right and
[Gwyneth:] right.
[Raymond:] then a couple of the shops, and she's about on the corner this
[Gwyneth:] Oh, well I haven't been that way yet.
[Raymond:] Just a couple of ladies erm... well it's one lady, I think er... the lady just helps her.... We've been in a couple of times and I said that I wanted a chaise you see... ooh I got this... erm... one for... Victorian one... it's very nice, and lovely warm... you know, the legs... anyway it was one... one thousand three hundred you see, so I thought, oh... I said well... I didn't wanna
[Gwyneth:] I beg your pardon?
[Raymond:] Well that's what you can spend now for a good one.... But this is ready to take home... but... I said oh, can I have it out? She said, yes.
[Gwyneth:] That's finished is it then?
[Raymond:] Oh yes, yes!
[Gwyneth:] Had to be.
[Raymond:] Oh, yes, yes, yes!
[Gwyneth:] Only one seat then?
[Raymond:] Oh yes yeah.... I said to her have you got one that's in bits?... [LAUGHTER] But er... for three hundred, you know []... er... but... er er
[Gwyneth:] But
[Raymond:] the back was loose! And I said, and she said oh well... she said you know well it's... that's how you've gotta take it stripped, for me to take that to get that... done up by a restorer... you'd have to take all the upholstery off, or quite a bit off
[Gwyneth:] Well I was gonna say
[Raymond:] and then if it'd go up to about one seven she said, and I couldn't sell it here she said, I'm not Chester prices... I'm just that bit cheaper.... Which, a lovely lady!... But
[Gwyneth:] But
[Raymond:] I thought, I was surprised to see it was loose, you know.
[Gwyneth:] Well that's it, I mean the joints
[Raymond:] You've gotta take it home like that.
[Gwyneth:] the joints have got to be done haven't they?
[Raymond:] The joints have gone and this wanted doing but... it would of been extortionate she said, you know, to get it done
[Gwyneth:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] and then try and sell it... you know, take
[Gwyneth:] Well that's alright.
[Raymond:] all that into account.
[Gwyneth:] I think it's terrible really!... That's bad!
[Raymond:] And I've seen chairs like that, I've seen... I don't know whether it's there but... a couple of places, bedroom chairs, gorgeous things, you know! And... the backs! You know, you can do this with the back!... I mean, you don't like saying to the people
[Gwyneth:] No.
[Raymond:] you know, because
[Gwyneth:] No.
[Raymond:] their faces drop when [LAUGHTER] you
[Gwyneth:] They do. [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] you're not supposed to say []
[Gwyneth:] You'll be marked man when you get in there.
[Raymond:] You're supposed be glad that it's old and... [LAUGHTER] don't sit in there, you know th []... but er... it's bad, but though isn't it?
[Gwyneth:] It is.
[Raymond:] Well you know, you turn things out here and you go in... you might see that little
[Gwyneth:] Yeah, put it in
[Raymond:] and magnified in your mind aren't they?
[Gwyneth:] That's right, like my... my. [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] That's alright.... I like it.... Top of the class Gwyneth!
[Shirley:] Get the stuff done well... er... terrible, and he said yes it, why not!
[Raymond:] Mm.... Might go and ask him about that ammonia.
[Shirley:] Yes... you're ammonia is heated downstairs.
[John:] Right... erm... eight eighty... ammonia. How much d'you want?
[Raymond:] Well I mean, whatever you say in the... well no
[John:] I think it'll you a hundred CC or... a a of
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[John:] Yonks
[Raymond:] Fair enough.
[John:] Right.
[Raymond:] The only thing, other thing is we've been... you know... debating about the er... stuff to make up the wax which we'll have to go to Morrells by all, and get it sent here
[John:] Well listen
[Raymond:] anybody.... Anyone
[John:] that wax that we made up there... with the antique wax hasn't turned out as well it did with Mansion polish... so when you make it up...
[Raymond:] Mansion?
[John:] Mm... get some Mansion wax.
[Raymond:] Oh!
[John:] I think they cut it too.
[Raymond:] I wouldn't believe it made that much difference do you?
[John:] Gone all solid. I never tried it actually.
[Raymond:] Oh I see!... So you want the old fashioned
[John:] Mansion polish
[Raymond:] Mansion.
[John:] with it.
[Raymond:] There's only a small amount in it anyway.
[John:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Show yo, show you a wax polish you haven't seen before.
[Raymond:] Ooh fair enough,.... He's gonna bring some... er for us.
[Margaret:] Oh is he?
[Raymond:] So we need... because you've gotta have the right stuff. It's no good messing
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] about with the... the normal household stuff.
[John:] Yeah... so... said we can get.
[Raymond:] Yeah, I wish now I didn't think, I that I'd ask, he was busy... and
[John:] Mm.
[Raymond:] had he got a great big bottle? It was only forty pence!
[John:] Mm.
[Raymond:] You kno, you know I said it's... I had the er... the recipe
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] there, so it's two ounces, so it's a.
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] But I suppose I should of got a... couple of quid of
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] but not for all these, you know
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] but... I think I'll cheat.... So er
[John:] So
[Raymond:] Anyway, we'll see you on Tuesday won't we Mike?
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] All being well.
[Mike:] Yes.... And maybe I'll... start on the chair.
[Margaret:] Wha what do we need to... to be a?... Egg cups as well? More legs.... Hey, we can have an egg race!
[John:] An egg race.
[Margaret:] Egg and spoon race!
[Mike:] Er no when you erm... you know that I was telling you keep your bit of used up... erm... sandpaper... fly paper
[Margaret:] Yes.
[Mike:] you make that into a little cornet... and mi put it in
[Margaret:] Oh! Right!
[Mike:] Yo it's it's... a cornet like that.
[Margaret:] Oh yes we do that, yeah.
[Mike:] You need to, you need to stand it in something.... In the
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Mike:] egg box
[Margaret:] Well we've... oh, it's easy!
[Raymond:] What for doing your er... pigments and that, is it mixing
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] those up?... Oh I see
[Margaret:] We erm
[Raymond:] ah yes, yes, I see now yes!
[Margaret:] We use a bit of the top of the jar normally and er
[Raymond:] Hey one thing I was... gonna query you on Mike... the erm... sanding sealer you know... you say you must leave that for at least a week?
[Mike:] Well, you can bi... what I tend to is... is get a coat on... er, first thing in the morning, another coat in the afternoon and then leave it for a week.... Cos it really does, it still goes on settling into the
[Raymond:] Oh yeah!
[Mike:] grain, have you got it here?
[Raymond:] I don't know, I, I, I took it home with me. No, I took it home, I I was sort of leaving that to you you know, as you say, as you've just mentioned now... that, but no, I thought when you first... of you said haven't got the time to put these all the layers of on, you know and
[Mike:] That's why!
[Raymond:] and you... you gotta wa
[Mike:] Yo
[Raymond:] Yes, I suppose
[Mike:] You should come in the breaks.... I was purely killing myself!
[Raymond:] Initially you you're doing that then saying right, forget that one, get on with something else and that's there for a week or whatever till that... thoroughly hardens and then.
[Mike:] , look at that... and then and then you can straight onto it.
[Raymond:] Right, I'll leave that till Tuesday. So if I bring it again on Tuesday
[Mike:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] in the state that I've... you know
[Mike:] Have you put one coat on... already?
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Mike:] Er... what's it look like?
[Raymond:] Seems quite thick you know. Don't forget I'm go, we're going on top of polish here.
[Mike:] We'll try it.... We'll try it and see what it looks like.
[Raymond:] It'll... you know
[Mike:] If you need to, just have to put another one on.
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Mike:] ...... have you got sute and carbide here?
[Raymond:] Well
[Mike:] Got?
[Raymond:] I don't know what you call it here.
[Mike:] The grey paper.
[Raymond:] Grey, yes, oh yes!
[Mike:] B twenty.
[Raymond:] That's it, yes!... Yeah.
[Mike:] So that's what I'll I'll use on... right!
[Raymond:] Okay, well see you Tuesday anyway.
[Mike:] Right.... Cheerio!
[Raymond:] Bye!... Bye bye!
[John:] You off home?
[Raymond:] from actually Pat,i... Romford is it?... What do you say?
[Pat:] No!... [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] West London.
[Pat:] No!... I was born... in the City of London... actually.
[Raymond:] Oh that's right yes!... And then
[Pat:] Actually... within the sound of Bow bells, I was!
[speaker004:] Were you?
[Raymond:] I thought so!
[Pat:] Yes! Yes!
[Raymond:] Every now and again you slips
[Pat:] talk like that if I want to.
[Raymond:] She says free!... Free o 'clock!... No, she doesn't, no!
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] But then you lived most of yo Oh yes.
[Pat:] In the war we went to.
[Raymond:] By the sea?... Good old
[Pat:] And started off by the sea... but that wasn't a good idea really was it?
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] No []!
[Pat:] [LAUGHTER] []!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] No, that was bad planning that was []!
[Pat:] , no!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Pat:] So we just stayed anywhere and if you hadn't got anywhere to go
[Raymond:] That's right.
[Pat:] go in anywhere.
[Raymond:] Mm, mm.
[Pat:] We ended up not by the sea.
[Raymond:] And look where you've ended up, this dump!
[Pat:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh I think so.
[Shirley:] That'll be alright.... I forgot, don't know the
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] yes! What about Buckley North Wales, now there's a bit of class up there you know, in those hills!
[Shirley:] Oh no! yeah.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Shirley:] No, I've er, I used to have a bungalow in Wales.
[Raymond:] Not a lot!
[Shirley:] Showens in between erm...
[Raymond:] Oh it's
[speaker004:] Just get
[Raymond:] under water now!... Your bungalow!
[Shirley:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] No!... Terrible!
[Shirley:] Oh no it's er... I'm afraid.... And so he decided he could get about three caravans on the... the price that my bungalow was occupying. It was only summer... timber thing, you know.
[Raymond:] Yes, that's right..
[Shirley:] It had to go because he could make more money having erm... the three caravans on the site that this occupying.
[Raymond:] The old story!
[Shirley:] So... I enjoyed it.
[Raymond:] So you haven't got your... fierre de tie now?... Or you've
[Shirley:] The children
[Raymond:] got another one?
[Shirley:] the children loved it!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Shirley:] Used to go.
[Raymond:] Happy da
[Bruce:] I'm a teapot Ray!... It's a, I'm not lying to you, you know!... I put four teabags in there... fill it up with boiling water... right?... And then put it on the stove... and stew it!
[Raymond:] Mm mm. Oh no!
[Bruce:] ... right, and that I do all day is put a little top up in there.
[Raymond:] I couldn't drink that now! No, I, I I have done years ago.... That was the Irish way that.
[Bruce:] well that's the way I've
[Raymond:] Used to say
[Bruce:] I've always
[Raymond:] do you want a cup of tea that's been stewing for three days?
[Bruce:] Just go and get it when you are... when you want more of this.
[Raymond:] Ah, but it's goes too dark doesn't
[Bruce:] the er
[Raymond:] it?
[Bruce:] strongest you know, about his all night, you know it really does.
[Raymond:] But you must have a go, a fantastic coating on your insides [LAUGHTER] don't you []!
[Bruce:] Yeah.... Like the inside of a teapot, like.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] []!... He hasn't finished yet with his... are they on or a finger?
[Bruce:] I'll just move some
[Raymond:] Alright, my old son God bless!... That'll do me now. In er, in that sense I agree I I
[Margaret:] that waxing's taken half an hour!
[Raymond:] Yeah, it's just this waiting for this sanding sealer you see to... dry. But then you're not spending hours
[Margaret:] No.
[Raymond:] putting... you know the... button on the while you are here.... If you do it the way Bill says.
[speaker004:] Everybody
[Margaret:] Will you be wanting it?
[speaker004:] already made up.
[Margaret:] Cos I need
[Raymond:] It's a it's a grey area isn't it?... [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] Well it's been on
[Raymond:] No, I mean
[Margaret:] for so long, I mean I can't
[Raymond:] I mean yo, you don't get waxing off Bill do you?
[speaker004:] No.
[Margaret:] Yeah we, he showed me. Was it two times... that's what I do... and then... and then... let it harden off... and then
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] put the wax on. That's why.
[Raymond:] I think the... some of the we've... turned out isn't so important is it?
[Margaret:] Oh no.
[Raymond:] You know, you get something that's only twenty five years old it's not so important to get it perfect.
[Margaret:] I say, it's like a
[Raymond:] You know, as the stuff he's... doing because
[Margaret:] Oh yeah! That's right. And he's very good!
[Raymond:] Very good top quality you see so... he's gotta have it right.... That stuff.... It's handy to know the right way to do it innit?
[Margaret:] Yes, I suppose it is.
[Raymond:] And I mean the way he did that table
[Margaret:] I suppose cos he...
[Raymond:] It's nice that table anyway!... That old one's gone, you know.... So I'm looking forward to seeing what he does with that.... It's a nice approach I think.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] And he makes it interesting.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Whereas... Bill
[Margaret:] Bill
[Raymond:] tends to be a bit I don't know... se... dictorial doesn't he? This is how it's done... get on with it I'm going now!... You know, and then if you ask him again he says, I've told you once!
[Margaret:] But he does get funny!
[Raymond:] He's a funny man! What do you want, a chair?
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Er, there's one over here look!... There's one left.
[Raymond:] He's got that huge nice house!
[Margaret:] Yes, I know! I know what that means.
[Raymond:] Do want a pouffe? [LAUGHTER] These Coxes are nice! One of my favourite apples... is erm... er, a russet.
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] We left that really.
[Raymond:] But the last, really seem to be tiny now and
[Margaret:] Yeah!
[Raymond:] I
[Margaret:] They're not nice when they're full of that's a horrible colour that one!
[Raymond:] Yeah, and just a, as an old... old taste about them!
[Margaret:] I get my favourite apple.
[Raymond:] Oh! Some of them are a bit tasteless I find.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Absolutely no taste at all!
[Margaret:] What like a peach?...
[Raymond:] Yeah.... You soon get fed up eating it don't you?
[Margaret:] But you'll soon find that it only needs one.
[Raymond:] I am.... Do you want my core Margaret?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] It's [LAUGHTER] Used to say that in Liverpool []!
[Margaret:] I thought.
[Raymond:] Can I have your core?
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Ooh God []! A And then again have chair, you know,pe, people are... reticent of it, they're frightened if it goes
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] I'd be hopeless! I wouldn't be able to do it, keep up
[speaker004:] Yes.
[Raymond:] with cos
[speaker004:] Well... when we had the open day and we had a lot of people round here!
[Raymond:] Yes.
[speaker004:] It's really interesting!
[Raymond:] Yeah.... Yeah, I notice Joan tapping at the saying, ooh ooh ooh ooh!
[speaker004:] Yeah she's sewing them all up for Friday!
[Raymond:] Has she?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh, didn't know.... What do you mean... vell
[speaker004:] Well no, a whole of vell... he's going to go get some... give me some
[Raymond:] For, for September?... Bit early yet isn't it?
[speaker004:] Well, it could have been
[Raymond:] Won't have the roll and foam.
[speaker004:] well then put it.
[Raymond:] Well, I wouldn't of thought
[speaker004:] Won't be
[Raymond:] so they wouldn't be allowed to join
[speaker004:] won't be hardly
[Raymond:] would they er
[speaker004:] hardly anything left now.
[Raymond:] No.
[speaker004:] And I don't know how many dropped out so twenty two.
[Raymond:] I'd well I suppose they could do couldn't they?
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Raymond:] And it's not gonna cost anything so the
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] I mean Pat... started late with us, you know.... She... she missed about two months, I think, Pat.... But she soon caught up, you know it... didn't make any difference to her but
[speaker004:] There's John next door, he di, he just started a couple of weeks ago.... About five
[Raymond:] The young chap? Short chap?... Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] And... he's doing brilliantly!
[Raymond:] He's, he's marvellous on the... upholstery.
[Shirley:] On the upholstery, yeah!
[speaker004:] Well He's only twenty! to go
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] into somewhere Erm... you know... the the the table that he's doing now he's doing the varnishing the table, you know and he really... in! You know I always it's terrible!
[Raymond:] Some people seem to... drop in don't
[speaker004:] Yes.
[Raymond:] they? Others have a bit of a tough time especially... I think with ladies
[speaker004:] Well I found it easy.
[Raymond:] they're join, doing joints and that, you know, er I mean,tha tha... Sheila, she said oh... I'm not interested at all in doing mortars and tenons or
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] you know []!
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] But then if you want to... do the restoration yo
[Shirley:] I've have a go I'll have a go at them... they were... they didn't look very good but, I mean, at least I did them, you know
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Shirley:] I
[speaker004:] Oh, I think they're and maybe you you you you improve with testing them.
[Shirley:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Got to!
[Shirley:] Both got
[speaker004:] Oh!
[Shirley:] The that
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Shirley:] realise actually
[speaker004:] You get too busy you know, for what you've got to do... to
[Raymond:] Of course! Yeah! I mean, look at
[speaker004:] now
[Raymond:] look at me or the guys with the... sewing machines... I mean
[speaker004:] Yeah. Ya.... The The
[Raymond:] these hands weren't meant for sewi... but I mean yo... you do get better.
[speaker004:] Oh yes!
[Raymond:] It's surprising!
[speaker004:] Especially when you... you know, just like a. She really has got.
[Raymond:] Mind you she looks a bit tired now, asleep isn't she?... But er... well... this is no good!
[speaker004:] Well I
[Raymond:] The whistle's gone.... Come on Shirley, I, you're
[Shirley:] Oh!
[Raymond:] usually first up for that!
[Shirley:] [LAUGHTER] We're always rushing []!
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]... No you're not.
[Shirley:] I'm going Mrs.
[Raymond:] Again?
[Shirley:] I don't thi... I don't think Miss
[Raymond:] They don't call her part-time Shirley for nothing you know!... Mind you, when she's here it's worth it!
[Shirley:] Ah!... I see.... Now,i are we interested in going to the
[Raymond:] Yes.
[Shirley:] It's on the sixth of July... and it'll cost forty pounds.
[Raymond:] Forty!
[Shirley:] And then
[Raymond:] you said twenty five quid!
[Shirley:] I've been told that on Tuesday.... It's gonna be forty
[Raymond:] Mind you, for that, girl
[Shirley:] pounds.
[Raymond:] it's worth, it's worth it!... Forty pounds, right I'll get a bit of paper.
[speaker004:] He, He went into hospital... and they said erm... that it's the muscles of his heart that were affected... they couldn't do anything more for him!... Just sa, you know, so he said right well I might as well go home. So he went home... and he out about two weeks... got fed up, you know, like that man... you know, doing nothing... so he had a scooter that needed repairing... he died as he repaired the scooter!... She went out... his wife, shopping... left him... tinkering with this scooter... came back, couldn't get in... then she did get in and he was dead on the floor!
[Raymond:] Good grief!... What a terrible for the wife!
[speaker004:] Sixty, sixty!
[Raymond:] You don't know, I mean he could of gone... if he'd been lying in a chair wa... watching the
[speaker004:] Oh yeah.
[Raymond:] telly you just
[speaker004:] Mm mm.
[Raymond:] don't know! I mean at least he was doing something that
[speaker004:] Yeah
[Raymond:] he liked.
[speaker004:] stretched out on the floor!
[Raymond:] But of course, I mean, we know little about it... they do say if you have had a heart attack... it's no good... you know, as soon you get up and you start eating... going for five mile walks
[speaker004:] Oh no, that'd
[Raymond:] it's gotta be a very
[speaker004:] different.
[Raymond:] gradual thing.
[speaker004:] Yeah.... I mean
[Raymond:] But yo you must exercise but
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] obviously using... a bit of sense
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] as well.... Perhaps he's, perhaps... him something or
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] strained.
[speaker004:] Well... standing or you know...
[Raymond:] God I dunno!
[speaker004:] He probably was told to go home and take it easy, you know, and
[Raymond:] Mm.... He's like me you get... well like most
[speaker004:] You can't
[Raymond:] men they get fed up, that's like
[speaker004:] I know
[Raymond:] most women do the same.
[speaker004:] oh yeah bu... you see, er er, you're not supposed to life anything for... if one of my grandsons falls over, the first thing you do is pick him up... you know!... And then er
[Raymond:] It's so constricting!
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Yo yo you, you been used to working hard and if they say don't do this
[speaker004:] Yeah.... You don't do it.
[Raymond:] I I'd go mad I would, honestly!
[speaker004:] Mm mm. Mm.
[Raymond:] But I I er... remember Margaret, my wife when... she had the er... the last one... which is a a... gap of about ten years between the third you know, and the fourth child
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] so of course she had to in hospital... so, have this on my pregnancy, you know
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] and we'd lost one.
[speaker004:] Mm mm. Mm.
[Raymond:] Oh... didn't wanna leave home, but anyway... she went in and somebody said, oh it'll be about a week you know...... my fifth one really.
[speaker004:] Mm mm.
[Raymond:] What? Anyway, this... somebody must of given her the idea, I think it was our local doctor... oh you'll be alright you know, you have to have to have them in forty eight hours you see so
[speaker004:] Mhm mm.
[Raymond:] she was in this hospita, the, the City Hospital in Chester which is not used now for that.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Raymond:] And er... I do don't know which day it was but she was sitting there fed up second day I'm thinking... she said well I, I'm going home tomorrow, so I said... no... you're staying in for the week! [LAUGHTER] We
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] well that was it then, urgh... []!
[speaker004:] Yeah
[Raymond:] Anyway... she was that bad, anyone... sa who she saw... plus the... doctor, you know... oh he said, oh no!... So I think they let her... out the day after.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] The proviso that she...
[speaker004:] Took it easy, mm.
[Raymond:] I had to go... there... and er... I could go back with her in the ambulance.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Raymond:] And then of course, as you say... strictly
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] no work, well
[speaker004:] No.... Don't take any notice!
[Raymond:] You know what women are like, they ha
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] they got kids to look after, the first thing you do... it's, it is... silly really you know but I mean
[speaker004:] Oh I know but you're... especially
[Raymond:] For working people, unless you got a maid or something, which... you know wha
[speaker004:] Especially where there's children involved, I mean
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] you just don't think, you've, you've lifted
[Raymond:] Kids don't understand.
[speaker004:] them before you think about... you shouldn't be doing that.... You know, if they fall over and their
[Raymond:] But then again
[speaker004:] knees are bleeding [LAUGHTER] or whatever []! You say
[Raymond:] That's right!
[speaker004:] you pick them up, if they fall
[Raymond:] I was back at work which
[speaker004:] you think er
[Raymond:] No they have
[speaker004:] No.
[Raymond:] Ooh my doctor told me er... these guys aren't they, if their wife has a baby.
[speaker004:] Oh yeah!... Mm mm.... That were!
[Raymond:] They used to call them in in in on th, when I was collecting her
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Raymond:] you know, and they'd say... the wife ha had a baby
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Raymond:] she'd be doing the work and th
[speaker004:] And he'd be sitting watching the
[Raymond:] That the wa, leaving the
[speaker004:] television!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Cos they have the time
[speaker004:] Yeah!
[Raymond:] off to look after the
[speaker004:] Yeah, yeah.
[Raymond:] wife []!
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER] yeah []!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Ah, God []!... Oh me! The er... the minstrel boy.
[Margaret:] Oh yes.
[Raymond:] You don't, you don't wanna hear it!
[Margaret:] I've seen it, he's been now.
[Raymond:] And I could
[Margaret:] Oh!
[Raymond:] just see the hall and an
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] and the lovely voices... voices... well I say lovely!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] And then we wa
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... ha... Was that in
[Raymond:] I'll just ask
[Margaret:] Wales?... Well they have got good voices in Wales haven't they?
[Raymond:] No, no this is in... Liverpool where I
[Margaret:] Oh was it?... Mm
[Raymond:] mainly brought up in
[Margaret:] mm, no.
[Raymond:] you know. Yeah but erm... ooh I can, I can remember that... some... good old ones
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] you know, you don't
[Margaret:] Which school did you go to?
[Raymond:] Oh, and er Lons Road in Weybridgeley... when the war started we left Weybridgeley and went to er...... and then... erm... Twig Lane was it?... And then, Highton Modern... Secondary
[Margaret:] You might
[Raymond:] School, the Secondary Modern School
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] with co, with co-eds
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] you know.... And that was it then till I left... but erm
[Margaret:] It was a different... world though then wasn't it?... You know?... The nineteen sixties.
[Raymond:] Tell you what, when the wa, when the war was over we came... came to erm... Dissert
[Margaret:] Oh yeah.
[Raymond:] when the bomb was about, in Weybridgeley
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] you see... for, I don't know, so many months.... My mum couldn't stand it in the end she sa... let's get back to bomb there!
[Margaret:] Yeah, [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] curtains used to go
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] foreigners, yeah!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] But er... the school, I think it was Rudling I, I've often tried to find it but I I'm not sure which one i, you know, for
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] little tots i, that's sa where they were.
[Margaret:] Probably some assembly rooms, that's what they put us in.
[Raymond:] Think this an actual... churchy-type school
[Margaret:] Oh a school was it? Yeah.
[Raymond:] But they had a li, I remember this little room now with a fire... going
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] you see.
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] And erm... one day a chap came with a donkey... in the classroom... and it was a, an educated donkey they were... and he was... what's three and three? And he'd go once
[Margaret:] Counting, they do like the horses do in
[Raymond:] What
[Margaret:] the circus!
[Raymond:] what are the, what are these doing? I said, I don't know I need to think.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Oh God, it was magic it was []!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] And I look back on that and... you know, nineteen
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] forty... one, or whatever it was, forty, forty one
[Margaret:] Yeah, through the evacuation.... Yeah.
[Raymond:] and it was er... and then we came to... er... near... er par... Prenton
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] in the caravan
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] mum and dad... came... to
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] stay in this caravan... and these posh houses were!... We went there one day and my sister and I,mu, mum was in Liverpool and the sign went... sister was... elder sister, he was terrified, our John!... And we ran to this house... I said
[Margaret:] Aha!
[Raymond:] I said... lady... [LAUGHTER] can you take
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] my sister cos she's frightened of the bombs []!... Really! Where are you from she said? In that field down [LAUGHTER] there []!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] God, she must of thought we were gypsies!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Well, she said you'd better come in.... Always remember the... be... at the door where there was beads... curtain, you know as you went through... and you've never seen anything like before you know!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] No []!
[Raymond:] Sat there, this cup of tea, terrified!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] More terrified than the ruddy planes coming over []!... But my mum had to go
[Margaret:] Oh.
[Raymond:] over every week for the... groceries you see, had to stick to your own grocer didn't you?
[Margaret:] There's your rations.
[Raymond:] , your ration
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] books, and you couldn't sort of swop the
[Margaret:] Oh no! No, they had to round.
[Raymond:] go over.... And mum always used to say... that's what gave you that hernia that walking all the way for food!
[Margaret:] Yeah!... Dragging it all backwards and forwards, yeah!
[Raymond:] Oh God!
[Margaret:] Well...
[Raymond:] But I loved it you know!
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] I loved it!... Perversely!... But, to me
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] it was er er er exciting
[Margaret:] Terrifying, yeah of course it was! It was
[Raymond:] And my
[Margaret:] different, yeah.
[Raymond:] my sister didn't, she was frightened
[Margaret:] No.
[Raymond:] you know the
[Margaret:] Is she a bit older than you?
[Raymond:] A couple of years older than me
[Margaret:] Mm.
[Raymond:] but she's a nervous type you know.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] They'd go collecting shrapnel in the street, you know and
[Margaret:] Yeah, my brother would go out and do that, yeah!
[Raymond:] Sometimes it was warm!
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Oh boy!... If it happened now I'd be... I'd be terrified for the kids you know!... So you're
[Margaret:] It's in... it's incredible isn't
[Raymond:] You
[Margaret:] it?
[Raymond:] Birkenhead... lady are you?
[Margaret:] Yo ah I... I was born in Liverpool and I... mother, sort of a very old family... a but erm
[Raymond:] In what part of Liverpool?... Do you
[Margaret:] Er... I was born in the... it's off erm... I don't suppose it's there any more... erm
[Raymond:] What's the road?
[Margaret:] what is the road that comes down erm... joins erm... you know where the Hippodrome... er, used to be?
[Raymond:] No, not at all.
[Margaret:] No, erm
[Raymond:] It's not West Derby Road, round there is it?
[Margaret:] Yes! It's at... well i
[Raymond:] See when you said the Hippodrome
[Margaret:] it... no, and it, no this this road comes..., well there's the Hippodrome there... or was, I don't suppose it's there now... and... you go, at this road here... so it's this way... on the... West Derby Road comes this way
[Raymond:] I seem to remember the pub
[Margaret:] Erm
[Raymond:] called The Grapes round there, is there?
[Margaret:] The Breacon Well there was one called the
[speaker004:] Breacon Well on that road
[Raymond:] That's right! Lo, and this is, you go rou is is... near to Lodge Lane
[Margaret:] and you went up
[Raymond:] round that way, it is?
[Margaret:] No, no.... Erm
[Raymond:] Edge Lane?
[Margaret:] No.
[Raymond:] Prescott Road.
[Margaret:] No, Edge Lane is over that way.
[Raymond:] Got West Derby Road and Prescott Road.
[Margaret:] No, no, you're going the other way!
[Raymond:] Oh!
[Margaret:] Erm
[Raymond:] When you're coming
[Margaret:] You know, going, as if you were going to erm... do you know where the erm... the, the funny thing was... and the Brow, Everton Brow..., there was a
[Raymond:] Well I know Everton, yeah.
[Margaret:] cafe place... erm... what's that
[Raymond:] I use
[Margaret:] thing?
[Raymond:] Where they used to ma, yes.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]... What wa, what is it []?
[Raymond:] But they used to make it.
[Margaret:] Yes. The
[Raymond:] I dunno I
[Margaret:] the old ladies we used make the erm... Everton coffee.
[Raymond:] Coffee, yes.
[Margaret:] Erm... there was like a water tower thing in erm
[Raymond:] I don't know
[Margaret:] and a piece of a green railing rai, you know, if it was railed all round.
[Raymond:] Oh I see!
[Margaret:] Erm... well this road... went up to erm... Breckfield Road
[Raymond:] Oh yes, I remember that!
[Margaret:] Well Breckfield Road North
[Raymond:] Breckfield Road
[Margaret:] and then ran
[Raymond:] I know the name.
[Margaret:] between
[Raymond:] Beside the Cabbage Hall was it?
[Margaret:] No.
[Raymond:] Pictures?
[Margaret:] No.... I don't think so.
[Raymond:] Yeah it's... nineteen fifty when I left, you know, it's a long time ago! And we wha well what if that was Highton you know, not Liverpool
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] itself, that was a
[Margaret:] and then we moved from there... to er...
[Raymond:] Going out to... Skelmey is it?... Skelmersdale, or has tha that's gone?
[Margaret:] No, somewhere round er... Queen's Drive,
[Raymond:] Oh Queen's Drive!
[Margaret:] that wo, you know at the end of erm
[Raymond:] That's nice,.
[Margaret:] Yes, it was very nice! mum liked
[Raymond:] Ooh!
[Margaret:] it, but pop didn't.
[Raymond:] Lot of doctors there and
[Margaret:] Because he printed the Echo and er... when he was working late... he couldn't get out there.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] And he missed his
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] erm... drinking partners I think.... So he
[Raymond:] Oh yeah!
[Margaret:] decided that we're moving back... further in... you know....
[Raymond:] Mm mm
[Margaret:] back further in. [LAUGHTER]... Which is a pity... and then of course they started throwing bombs around and we, we were, we were evacuated
[Raymond:] I see.
[Margaret:] to erm... a place called Bridgenorth......... in between Bridgenorth and Kidderminster.
[Raymond:] I know I've se... you know, Bridgenorth I've seen the signs there, I've never been there... and er
[Margaret:] But the first time we went
[Raymond:] carpets, isn't that there?
[Margaret:] Where did we go first time?
[Raymond:] Lot of carpets.
[Margaret:] We we, we went twice on tha, we were evacuated twice.... We went to Welsh Hanson first... erm... my mum went as a volunteer, er a voluntary helper to eight children... in charge of eight children.... We used to troop behind her wherever she went.... We went... [LAUGHTER] sort of walk behind her like brown cow, you know []!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] And one day we were coming along and these local ladies were coming... towards us said... oh we love going down the country roads... and... you know, oh look at all these poor refugees!
[Raymond:] Mm.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER] Well it's just my mother, you know
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]
[Margaret:] [].
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Ooh! hor hor
[Margaret:] Refugees!... My dear ladies these children are in their own country!... They're not refugees
[Raymond:] And well looked after!
[Margaret:] they're evacuees! [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] What a thing to say!
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Probably thought, ooh the poor devils, you know they
[Margaret:] Ya. Ya.... Well it's no wonder, we used to all troop behind her in ones and twos, you know like [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] Like a load of ducklings!
[Margaret:] Hang about!
[speaker004:] Doing the erm
[Raymond:] Oh erm... Theresa!
[speaker004:] The Bedford chair
[Raymond:] The one that's gone home?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Theresa?
[speaker004:] She left me her lemonade.
[Raymond:] Oh yes!... I didn't know, she'd done three years she said!
[speaker004:] Pardon?
[Raymond:] Done three years, er... here.
[speaker004:] Has she?
[Raymond:] That's what she said.... I've never seen her before this year!
[speaker004:] She probably comes on another day.
[Raymond:] Must do!
[speaker004:] Well I'm not supposed to be telling you it anyway!....
[Raymond:] What are you on er
[speaker004:] Already
[Raymond:] May? You're on three days are you, or what?
[speaker004:] No one day.
[Raymond:] Oh just the one day?
[speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah.
[Raymond:] Today?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] But you can come in tomorrow if you want?
[speaker004:] If I wanted to, yes.
[Raymond:] That's fair enough.... That's what Pat and I gonna do next year.
[Pat:] Yeah, that's what we're gonna do.... Yeah.
[Raymond:] Sauce for the goose!
[Pat:] Got that fixed.
[speaker004:] I've never been in on a Friday afternoon... because erm
[Pat:] Friday
[Raymond:] It's good!
[Pat:] is wonderful!
[Raymond:] Nice and quiet.
[Pat:] If I was desperate to finish something then I prefer to come on a Friday.
[Raymond:] Oh it's lo, it's lovely on a Friday isn't it Pat?
[Pat:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] No aggro.
[Pat:] It's the best day!
[speaker004:] Well it always was Friday!...
[Pat:] ... sort of erm... nobody seems to be in a flap and it
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Pat:] and you just ge....
[Raymond:] Do what you want... come in here, go in the other room and
[Pat:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] go and have a sleep!
[Pat:] It's the day to get things done isn't it?
[Raymond:] It is
[Pat:] I think
[Raymond:] yeah!... It is!
[Pat:] And you got a bit more room.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Pat:] You gotta be careful!
[speaker004:] We drove up, my grandson go goes to nursery you see... and I like to give Gwen a hand with the girls, I gotta be up with now well it's... driving everybody round the bend!
[Pat:] Sometimes it loosens up with a
[Raymond:] Aha!
[Pat:] bit of methylated.
[speaker004:] Yeah?... Two and half, and three and a half.
[Raymond:] Good old Joan!
[speaker004:] Into everything!
[Raymond:] Well our daughter said that erm... she... keeps... trying to get a job you know, she's got these three kids, she's... on her own... so
[speaker004:] Oh is she?... well how old's
[Raymond:] and er
[speaker004:] the youngest?
[Raymond:] er... five I think
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Raymond:] and the eldest only five, eight, eight's the eldest.
[speaker004:] Five, they've got the girls, they're going to school now aren't
[Raymond:] Yes.
[speaker004:] they?
[Raymond:] But, you know it... but erm... well, she said the other week
[speaker004:] Bet it's hard you know!
[Raymond:] the job that could be going is at, this erm... and they do these tapes or something in Flint
[speaker004:] Oh yeah.
[Raymond:] Er... Saturday and Sunday.... Cos well if you could have the kids you know... [LAUGHTER] []!
[speaker004:] No, not two days running Ray!
[Raymond:] Oh oh!
[speaker004:] You need one day to recuperate!
[Raymond:] What?... You get a bit passed it you know!
[speaker004:] Yeah.... No, I, oh I ca, I can manage them, you know, two or three days when they were babies... when they were younger!
[Raymond:] I know, but it's all
[speaker004:] but now they can... si, run so fast
[Raymond:] I know!
[speaker004:] you know!
[Raymond:] I know!
[speaker004:] And she lives right on the, they get out of the gate.
[Raymond:] You got no chance of catching you
[speaker004:] Oh Lord, no chance!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER]... When you think though, it's history isn't it, repeating itself?... Well it is my case.
[speaker004:] Oh yes,.... You know I... took himself off to the Park the other day, the... the tiny one you know!... and fortunately I wasn't in charge, his father was in charge of them. Gone up to their... their room to pick up some their toys... I wouldn't know how to, but the older one can open the gate!... And the [LAUGHTER] er []... she was running down the hill on... but... a lorry found them in Vale Park!... Playing!
[Raymond:] It's awful today, isn't it? They're not safe leaving their ruddy gate are they?
[speaker004:] Cos David told me shocked [LAUGHTER] be quite funny []!... But he says to... he phoned him the other day... on my down this morning... [LAUGHTER] ha... so just to say, you know, that was... crime of the century []!... Mind you, I er, I didn't know.
[Raymond:] Well when you think I was only saying
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] this last week to friends,i, we, you used to live... live on the street and we were just playing you know.... You know, not
[speaker004:] Makes a difference.
[Raymond:] very few cars,e even in the city yo... the side streets
[speaker004:] Right.
[Raymond:] so I feel safe to play.... But I mean today
[speaker004:] There's so many weirdos around the, Ray now, yeah.
[Raymond:] Well this is the other thing
[speaker004:] Especially in in parks and things, yeah.
[Raymond:] So without their parents... lot of kids spend their time watching the telly don't they? And videos and er... and the these kids of our Carrie's they know how to work all these
[speaker004:] Oh yeah!
[Raymond:] machines. Thing there with these fellers going along this thing.
[speaker004:] He tells me to how put
[Raymond:] But but but
[speaker004:] the video games in now!... There's one now... you press to,twe, you press twelve and you... [LAUGHTER] I don't know []!
[Raymond:] Wish she'd come and tell me how to set ours for a film that's on about
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []!
[Raymond:] three o 'clock in the morning that I want to see because we're
[speaker004:] Oh!
[Raymond:] ha... you know it'd be handy that wouldn't it, if you could... knew how to
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] set it?... Do you know how to do it Pat, do you?
[Pat:] [LAUGHTER] No, I don't []!
[speaker004:] No,
[Raymond:] We tried it once and we got the wrong ruddy film we did! So... I dunno!
[speaker004:] We, what make have you got Ray?... What make is it?
[Raymond:] Er
[speaker004:] Sony?
[Raymond:] Yeah, it is, yes, I think it's a Sony, yeah.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Raymond:] But... I mean, they're all the same aren't they, basically?
[speaker004:] I'll ask Brett to draw you a diagram cos she's knows how to do it.
[Raymond:] But all I want is a knob to say right... film... tonight
[speaker004:] Yeah.... Yeah, it's on timer.
[Raymond:] three o'clock.... That's all I want.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Yeah,ye that's not that simple is it? You've gotta go through a sequence you see.... Have
[speaker004:] Oh have you?
[Raymond:] Oh yes!
[speaker004:] Oh I haven't a clue! I really
[Raymond:] I was
[speaker004:] haven't got a clue!
[Raymond:] Sam explained it to us once, in the end he said oh I'm go, I'm going home, he said... You know, he... [LAUGHTER] he started asking us questions []!
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Raymond:] We flunk!
[speaker004:] [LAUGHTER]
[Pat:] Didn't give you a written tape a ho
[speaker004:] Oh!
[Raymond:] Oh, he said, it's easy look! You do it with this bub bub bub bub bub
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] And the light started going.
[Pat:] Yes, well that's all very well when they know ho, well it's like those erm... computer things isn't it? You know, they
[Raymond:] Well Paul's got one of these at home it does
[Pat:] and tha one of my son-in-laws, he said
[Raymond:] it does everything!
[Pat:] now look, it's easy, you do this, this, this!
[Raymond:] I know, yes!
[Pat:] first!
[Raymond:] I know, yes.
[Pat:] But you can't, you know
[Raymond:] Yeah.
[Pat:] you're not taking in what he's doing.
[Raymond:] I know.... I got no interest at all me!
[Pat:] ... blow down. You know, show me a.
[Raymond:] All I want is easy knobs to turn with
[Pat:] Mm.
[Raymond:] big letters on the... oh dear me!
[Pat:] He says, for a start... get your glasses on first!
[Raymond:] [LAUGHTER] Yes! That's right!... That's a... foot down a straight away isn't it, yeah []!... You can't really see.... Oh dear me!... Mind you, they come to us sometimes for advice on jobs and that don't they?
[speaker004:] Oh yeah.
[Raymond:] Mm.
[speaker004:] Works in both ways....
[Raymond:] We may be the wrinklies but we
[speaker004:] grow upwards.
[Raymond:] we know a bit! Oh no
[speaker004:] ... it was... supposed to be here.... Mind you, gotta clean it all out and
[Raymond:] Take it out... you got, I see, because you
[speaker004:] drawing it
[Raymond:] can pull it too tight I suppose and then er it's gonna be right at the front.
[speaker004:] But I felt I should of worn it... out of the material.
[Raymond:] Oh I see yes, that's good! Good! Good! Good!
[speaker004:] look like.
[Raymond:] In keeping with a... a camber as well, are you, on that?... Is that part of the
[speaker004:] Sorry?
[Raymond:] you're taking... the camber as well on this
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] part are you?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Getting the hold right, yes.... It's a lovely chair though isn't it?... It's worth
[speaker004:] Lovely!
[Raymond:] spending a bit of time isn't it?
[speaker004:] Oh, you've got to!
[Raymond:] No, you tend to rush a job like that and then goof you wouldn't be happy.... Mm, it is yours is it, or...
[speaker004:] No, it's mine! Yeah, no, I bought it
[Raymond:] Oh it's yours!
[speaker004:] I bought in... think I'd get it
[Raymond:] Lovely!... How much?
[speaker004:] I paid... forty five for it.
[Raymond:] Well done!
[speaker004:] And in fact, it's been a... that's why you needed quite a bit doing to it.
[Raymond:] That's old isn't it?
[speaker004:] Yes it's a twin.... Victorian.
[Raymond:] Oh well, I told you saw one at The Cabe i in pa antiques in Chester... erm... well, it's a nursing chair it wa, it was an armchair.
[speaker004:] Oh yeah.
[Raymond:] I forget whether it had wings on it or not.... Er, I don't even know The Cabe it's quite fancy isn't it, the stuff they've got?
[speaker004:] I've, I've never been to The Cabe actually.
[Raymond:] It's lo it is worth a look.... But they had this
[speaker004:] Is it near Melody Antiques?
[Raymond:] Go no further, I'm going towards... Sainsburys
[speaker004:] Oh I know! Oh yes!
[Raymond:] On the fifty one is it? The Cristleton Road.
[speaker004:] I know, yes, yes, yes!
[Raymond:] And it's right opposite... or near the... well, not opposite the Billets... it was the auction rooms before
[speaker004:] Yes.
[Raymond:] you get to there.
[speaker004:] Yes.
[Raymond:] But they had one in the corner you see and I could see the back leg was gone... said to Margaret an... said I might as well do something of that, you know, to do up... it's the only one... that they had there that wanted... really wanted repairing, so the feller said ooh... I don't know he said... hang on, I'll look in the book.
[speaker004:] Very, very lucky!
[Raymond:] Victorian... walnut.... A hundred and forty.... The state it was in!
[speaker004:] Oh that's crazy!
[Raymond:] I said oh, I said, I'm very sorry but... I don't kno, don't know what you'd have to charge to justify that... you know, to buy it and then do it up, I don't know!
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] You'd have to get two hundred and fifty at least, wouldn't you?... So I thought that was a bit greedy so, that's not bad at all that!... That would go for a lot more in Mold
[speaker004:] Would it?
[Raymond:] Oh yes! Oh yeah!... Definitely!... Which one do you get it from?
[speaker004:] I got this... in
[Raymond:] Tell me.
[speaker004:] is it Philips? Philips in Chester.
[Raymond:] Oh that's the one you're... oh!
[speaker004:] But what it wanted to
[Raymond:] Monday, isn't it? The... go
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Raymond:] on a Monday?
[speaker004:] But it is a, it wasn't a, it wasn't in... ordinary auction... what is was, somebody had died in Nantwich and they were doing... selling the contents the of her house
[Raymond:] Oh I see, clearing.
[speaker004:] and... it... it was on a, on another... day, I can't remember what day it was, but there wa
[Raymond:] Oh I see!
[speaker004:] but she said there weren't many people there actually and I got that... but the proceeds
[Raymond:] He is Welsh.
[speaker004:] were all going to the R S P C A.
[Raymond:] Ah!... Special sale! Ooh I'll have make a not of that!... I saw erm... we saw a campaign chair... near Mold... week before last... it was... I asked the guy how much... put down on it, you know, he said thirty pounds so I sa, I said I saw it for forty.... Didn't stay!... When you can get choice of them, if they're going for forty over a piece!
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Raymond:] Forty five, fifty, something like that.... And all it was, was a tiny thing, like a ruddy camp stool! And the leg... so he said, well... half a leg was missing.... So I thought well I'm in with a chance, you know, one's... wanted a and this leg repairing... so... compare it with that... no
[speaker004:] No
[Raymond:] comparison really!... Very, very reasonable!
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Raymond:] You got a chair that's worth... another couple of hundred there so... well, not yet.... Get this bit right on the back! [LAUGHTER]...
[speaker004:] Oh!
[Raymond:] God!... Ah!... Don't you get... [LAUGHTER] critical when you've been here a bit? John, I've got to... get the car on the ramps.
[John:] Feel my back breaking!
[Raymond:] Is there any way to... stop those ramps
[John:] Yes.
[Raymond:] shooting away.
[John:] That's why,.
[Raymond:] I used to get two... four by fours from the wall in the house.
[John:] Well I mean, that's an idea
[Raymond:] No I can't do it [LAUGHTER] I haven't got these []! And... but they seem to shoot away though.
[John:] Bit of carpet.
[Raymond:] Carpet on... on what?
[John:] On that.
[Raymond:] On the ramps?
[John:] Well on, no... o on the floor.... No, you know the actual ramp itself
[Raymond:] Yes.
[John:] It's in, it's in rungs is it, yes?
[Raymond:] Yes.
[John:] The bottom rung... bit of carpet round that line... and wrap round the bottom rung.... So, but if a tyre runs on that... you won't end up
[Raymond:] Oh I see! The car.
[John:] It won't fall back.
[Raymond:] It's like double.
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] Hey! Of course, that's right it's cos it's got it on the.
[John:] Yeah, so you're alright dad, just go on.
[Raymond:] Ah, you don't
[John:] You could... you could... make loads... I can make loads of them! Yeah, but... the good thing, you know
[Raymond:] It's a good ramp innit, you see?
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] But I, you know, I told you the front brakes they er... snapped the middle and all this.
[John:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []!
[Raymond:] But... this week, because the handbrake is a, wanted... tightening up, you know, but I'll do that... get... it's M O T in another weeks time.
[John:] Yeah.
[Raymond:] So er... took off the shoes one side... had gone!
[John:] Oh oh Christ!
[Raymond:] You know... cylinders!
[John:] Cylinders all round, haven't you dad? Have you got the
[Raymond:] No, it's only one side.
[John:] Oh right. So you get rubbers for it?
[Raymond:] No, I'll get a new one, I thought I'd co Only