[Tony:] What do you want, a packet of crisps?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] I want a packet of crisps.
[Tony:] Oh. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] You don't want very much... the milkman left us two pints of milk this morning... help me.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Put one on the table and the other in the fridge.
[Tony:] Oh well... er... Jack?
[Jackie:] Yes... [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] [shouting] Yeah... yeah. []
[Jackie:] Oh... no I don't, well yeah.
[Christine:] Aha.
[Tony:] No, no that is, that's
[Christine:] I want Twiglets
[Tony:] that's it... that's all we've got.
[Christine:] I want some twiglets I want some twiglets.
[Tony:] No... not if you're gonna open, not unless you're gonna open it.
[Christine:] Oh.
[Jackie:] Oh go on, let them open, I'll have a few with my tea.
[Christine:] Yeah. [paper rustling] I turn on today.
[Jackie:] erm... if you want to.
[Tony:] Yeah. [paper rustling]
[Jackie:] I actually called Del out today.
[Tony:] Sorry?
[Jackie:] I caught Del out... twice. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Caught an him out?
[Jackie:] Yeah... actually out in the cleaning.
[Tony:] Oh right... I see what you mean.
[Jackie:] He looked at me and he went urgh its her and he ran down.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] I think I'll throw these cuttings away.
[Tony:] Yes... they're not doing anything are they?
[Jackie:] Not these.
[Tony:] Apart from sitting there and dying.
[Jackie:] Sitting there and dying.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] lonely.
[Tony:] Yeah... ah... oh yeah we've got plenty of milk haven't we?
[Jackie:] Yes.
[Christine:] Let me do that... Mum.
[Jackie:] Let's do that.
[Christine:] Can I?
[Jackie:] Yes, if you would please... Don't eat them all Daddy wants some.
[Christine:] I won't. [water pouring]
[Tony:] Not made of glass you know.
[Jackie:] Move Ben.
[Tony:] Ben!... Pain!
[Christine:] Mhm.
[Tony:] What's that?
[Christine:] it's really good. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER] He's really funny [].
[Jackie:] I like him.
[Tony:] Yes... that's pretty near the truth... being nasty to you now... Do you want to have some of those chipsticks then?
[Jackie:] No... I'm not... are not having anything this... for Christine.
[Tony:] Ah... okay... ah now what was
[Jackie:] What was that?
[Tony:] just thinking.
[Jackie:] What?
[Tony:] I mean a lot of our conversations go on with the television on in the background.
[Jackie:] Yeah, well we'll have to try it and see how it works.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I mean... if that... upsets it... then we'll
[Tony:] Yeah ... yeah quite.
[Jackie:] We'll have to try.
[Tony:] They get, they get what they get.
[Jackie:] Yes... yes.
[Tony:] Right... Don't eat all those twiglets will you? [music in background]
[Christine:] No... Who moi!.
[Tony:] Yes you.
[Christine:] You're not supposed to say that.
[Tony:] What am I supposed to say then?
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] Shall I put all this in the bag?
[Tony:] I was just going to grab the book.
[Jackie:] Which book?
[Tony:] and start it off.
[Jackie:] is it a blue book... that's the white one.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] The blue one is for yourself.
[Tony:] Yeah
[Christine:] Dad
[Tony:] that's that for when I've done the first ten tapes.
[Christine:] Dad
[Jackie:] Yeah eleven to go.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] I want to do it together
[Jackie:] Can you help Daddy, now... find the erm...
[Tony:] Yeah if you just leave it down behind there.
[Jackie:] will use it as a [LAUGHTER] microphone []....
[Tony:] Ah.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Dirty look []... No... don't you say a word... [LAUGHTER]... you... you're wicked [].
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]... [LAUGHTER] I'm not going to []
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]... Do you want a banana?
[Tony:] Mm, that'll be nice. [door bell] [dog barks]
[Jackie:] Ben!
[Tony:] Hello, it's the thing about spoken English.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Microphone man [].
[Rene:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] I'll turn it off if you like.
[Christine:] Dad?
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] Do you think I could have a go
[Tony:] Sorry?
[Christine:] Do you think I could wear that for a little while?
[Tony:] No it has to be me.
[Christine:] Why?
[Jackie:] No, it has to be Daddy.
[Christine:] Why?
[Tony:] Because I'm the sample.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] You're a sample [].
[Tony:] Mhm.
[speaker005:] That's funny weren't it?
[Rene:] Can you get some more of those they're nice.
[Jackie:] Are you sure you don't want a cup of tea?
[Rene:] No thanks.
[Jackie:] Anybody want some more twiglets?
[Tony:] Mm
[Christine:] I'll have some.
[Tony:] few more.
[Christine:] Oh.
[Tony:] I'll have a few more [paper rustling] Yeah.
[Christine:] Can't get them out... you hold on.
[Rene:] I had a cup of tea round Heathers the other night, I don't know what it was.
[Christine:] Are you gonna keep that on my right shopping as well?
[Tony:] I don't know.
[Christine:] Oh.
[Tony:] I might do... depends if anybody doesn't like it.
[Jackie:] Cos we'll have to ask Grandma and we'll have to ask Vicky.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Rene:] That's a good girl.
[Jackie:] Was it the checkout girl we always go to?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Rene:] Oh and we
[Jackie:] We already had her last week. [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Grandpa when she... Grandma?.... [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... an make mm.
[Jackie:] She missed you last week.
[Tony:] Did she?
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Christine:] I love the way they just flow... it's incredible really... Don't be stupid.
[Jackie:] Do they?
[Tony:] Mm.
[Rene:] When they're ready now [LAUGHTER]... wonder what century they are at now... thank you Ben... leave... there's a good boy... If a proper lady was here we'd shut you in the kitchen... claws on the lino and I think what's he doing?... he wasn't scratching... and we and he [LAUGHTER] chasing a fly round the kitchen [].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Rene:] [LAUGHTER] Didn't you []... were chasing a fly Ben... eh?... Is that nice big juicy one... was it... mm?... Was it a nice big juicy fly?
[Christine:] Mum... You know that fifty pee you owe me?
[Jackie:] Yes I know that fifty pee that I owe you I haven't forgotten about it.
[Christine:] Doesn't matter.
[Jackie:] Mm?
[Christine:] You can if you like... Oh you're supposed to say no, not okay.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] You're supposed to say no it's alright dear
[Jackie:] Here Ben
[Christine:] don't worry dear.
[Jackie:] That's two boxes?
[Rene:] Still come round my house
[Jackie:] No it's it's, she was a bit over the hill [LAUGHTER] for it I'm afraid [].
[Rene:] Ooh.
[Jackie:] nineteen
[Tony:] Well she was th... mm... she was looking for... she was looking for somebody Re, who was in a particular age group.
[Rene:] Mm... thirty five to forty five.
[Christine:] Oh,
[Tony:] Yeah, thirty five to forty five, cos they have to take it so many from each age group
[Rene:] Yeah.
[Tony:] so they get er spread over the whole th the population
[Christine:] Dad, Mum?
[Tony:] and so er I was it. [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Dad there was this alien he had these ginormous hands and silver eyes and he was really ugly
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] like... just a minute, this Philip Schofield guy is popping up everywhere doesn't he?
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] He does...... Can that hear the T V?
[Tony:] Probably... I don't know how successful it'll work but if I don't record conversations
[Jackie:] Actually the little red light is flickering up and down... I don't know
[Tony:] No it's... Oh yeah
[Christine:] That's when you talk... that's what
[Jackie:] Oh so it's picking it up.
[Tony:] I er it seems to be okay
[Jackie:] Mm... yeah, it's when you talk.
[Tony:] Yeah, it's it's flickering when I talk... yeah
[Jackie:] Are you going to wear it tonight?
[Tony:] Erm... I expect so.
[Christine:] Mum, do you know Vicky?
[Rene:] Don't lose it there or you'll have to pay for it.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Mum, I don't think she
[Tony:] But if I don't record it... record when the television is on... I'm not going to get very much at all.
[Jackie:] No, you're not.
[Rene:] So what
[Tony:] As the television is always on [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Oh no it's not always on.
[Tony:] No alright.
[Jackie:] But if the televisions not on, the cd is [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Yeah, music we've normally got some noise going on in the background.
[Christine:] Dad?
[Tony:] Yeah?
[Christine:] Guess what I've got to buy?
[Tony:] Mm... what?
[Christine:] Can you guess?... I got erm, no English is... R S... Sega, Sciences
[Jackie:] Mind your tea Chrissie... dog, mutt.
[Christine:] and Geography as well go... go on forever.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Who's is that?
[Rene:] Well they're not yours.
[Jackie:] I realise just today how
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] small... the back... the back problem that she's got is.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] I saw a little girl in the hospital
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] and she wasn't o, she didn't have a hump on her back, but it looked as though her whole rib cage was at a...
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] sort of forty degree angle to
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] the body.
[Tony:] Ah.
[Jackie:] Don't know.
[Christine:] I don't want Grandma
[Tony:] What time have we gotta go?... About ten past?
[Jackie:] Five... well what time does it start, five past?...... as long as they're down before half past seven.
[Rene:] Did you phone that hairdressers for me?
[Jackie:] No I haven't yet
[Rene:] Why?
[Jackie:] erm... I'll phone up tomorrow.
[Rene:] Only if I'm going I might as well come up with you and get it all done together aren't I?... It's not the musical one is it?
[Tony:] No.
[Rene:] Its in black and white... Take after a lot of the Nazis are strange.
[Tony:] Mm... Is there anything worth recording... tonight?
[Jackie:] Murder most horrid
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] and Canned Carrot
[Tony:] Ha.
[Jackie:] and that's about it.
[Rene:] [LAUGHTER] Elliot gave Civil Servants []
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Rene:] [LAUGHTER] a good reputation [].
[Tony:] Ah.
[Jackie:] I wonder if Dad's got his other dog yet?
[Tony:] Yeah... yes.
[Rene:] We'll soon know when they come here.
[Tony:] Well providing he doesn't... erm
[Jackie:] I wonder how his foot is actually.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Rene:] I wonder if he's been to the doctors with it.
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] I don't expect so, no.
[Rene:] like that.
[Jackie:] It's about that long... and it
[Rene:] and it
[Jackie:] just came up over night... till we found out in the morning... well you can see it can't you... Oh you... did you see it?... the swelling on your dad's foot.
[Tony:] Yeah... yeah I did.
[Rene:] If I had a swelling like that come up on my ankle I'd... say right go to the doctors.
[Jackie:] Just one more and I'll do just have a quick look round the outside see if they're here.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] I really enjoyed my day off today....
[Jackie:] Lets face it theirs wasn't to pick from... should say... really miserable.
[Rene:] I expect she was worried.
[Jackie:] No
[Christine:] No not worried... she said you walk in, you get changed, and you sit back and that's it, silence.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Christine:] Nobody speaks.
[Tony:] Mm... Can I have a few more... thank you. [paper rustling] What?... Oh okay... I'll set a little game.
[Christine:] Will you?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I liked it knowing what I want.
[Christine:] No it's horrible cos you just sit down an... that's it.
[Jackie:] It was a good idea taking your own dressing gown though wasn't it?
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] There was one girl there today, she was about fifteen or seventeen... and she had to put her coat on over the top of the gown because it was
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] all open down the back and you had to walk out through a huge waiting room full of people.
[Rene:] Well that's bad isn't it?
[Tony:] That's awful isn't it?
[Jackie:] Yeah... mm.
[Rene:] Would they lend you a dressing gown?
[Jackie:] Well normally they'd given them dressing gowns before but it's the first time they've had gowns isn't it?... White gowns.
[Christine:] Yeah they had gowns before and that's what, remember?....
[Jackie:] Oh yeah, that's right you had to hold yours up together as well.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Don't go in there... and that could have gone down my whole body as I was walking through everything... keeps falling off.
[Jackie:] Just think that's going to pick up all your tummy gurglings [LAUGHTER]... gurgle gurgle [LAUGHTER].
[Christine:] Do you think we could have a listen to this?
[Tony:] Well... the only way you can listen to it
[Christine:] Mm.
[Tony:] Is on the headphones.
[Christine:] Couldn't you stick them on me?
[Rene:] How long will one of those tapes last then, Tony?
[Tony:] Forty five minutes... well each side is forty five minutes.
[Rene:] And
[Tony:] Well... I don't know but it's still going. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] There's a tape counter on it.
[Tony:] Sorry?
[Jackie:] There's a tape counter on it.
[Tony:] Oh it just gives the numbers though.
[Rene:] Do you just clip that on your trousers?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Rene:] You'll have to watch it don't come off then, when you get in the car.
[Tony:] Yeah... yeah I will... let's see here we... what are we recording?
[Christine:] Gran what was it you wanted?
[Rene:] I'm coming out.
[Tony:] Erm... oh what was it?
[Christine:] Mum colour
[Tony:] That's right.
[Christine:] I was
[Tony:] Ah that's a shame
[Christine:] Mm... yeah, yeah.
[Tony:] Don't like practical
[Christine:] No, I, I mm mm.
[Tony:] Why don't you like practical?
[Christine:] Well I like it but... got to use booklet an I erm supposed to hand it in you see... ha... I'm going to hand it in next week.
[Tony:] Okay.
[Christine:] Mm, I can't stop munching these.
[Tony:] No they're er... they're good aren't they... they're nice.
[Christine:] Mm... I prefer these things to biscuits.
[Tony:] Yep... I think you're probably right.
[Christine:] Cos they're softer.
[Tony:] No. Just trying to find a place that's a bit more comfortable for you.
[Jackie:] .
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] No musical today?
[Christine:] No.
[Jackie:] I think probably... Tony, do you want to take one of these letters before we go out?
[Tony:] Yes please.
[Christine:] English.
[Tony:] What is it called Mushroom Treasury?
[Jackie:] you're you're you're you're a National Treasury in spoken English.
[Christine:] Dad, mind you don't put your jumper over it... does that little there that flashes and it get really big.
[Tony:] What little thing?
[Christine:] The little light on
[Jackie:] Do you want me to do that?... No.
[Tony:] Is it there?
[Jackie:] Yeah... no it is.
[Tony:] Alright?
[Jackie:] There you go.
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] Wired for action.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... Oh dear.
[Jackie:] Is it still recording?
[Tony:] Yeah... well I don't see any point in starting and stopping really... Have you got the
[Rene:] You got it there
[Jackie:] Twenty tapes to get through we'll need to get going. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Yeah... I'll take
[Rene:] When's he coming back to pick it up?
[Jackie:] Next Friday night.
[Rene:] Oh.
[Tony:] Ooh
[Jackie:] I've got to pop upstairs a minute.
[Rene:] Erm
[Tony:] Okay.
[Rene:] you got the shopping bags?
[Jackie:] No I'll get those... can you... do me a favour and put those boxes underneath
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I've got to er
[Tony:] Well if, okay
[Jackie:] after lunch.
[Rene:] [LAUGHTER] You're mad then... Polly's gone upstairs with Jacqueline then.
[Christine:] Oh hell.
[Tony:] Okay.
[Christine:] Right you take these to alright?... and nappy bags, ooh.
[Jackie:] Yes.
[Tony:] I've got the shopping bags.
[Christine:] Oh thank you.
[Jackie:] Here.
[Tony:] An I put my er... wallet in your handbag.
[Jackie:] Yeah... oops... You nearly had a head full of didn't you Ben?
[Tony:] [shouting] Ben! []... Come on, in your box... there's a good boy... now stay... good boy.
[Jackie:] I take.
[Tony:] Yeah... it's alright I drew the cash.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but we're gonna see if we can get you a pair of shoes aren't we?... Yes, we are gonna see if we can get you a pair of shoes... Do you want some shoes.
[Tony:] They're alright.
[Christine:] Do they look alright?
[Tony:] They just let in water Yeah.
[Rene:] Come here Chrissie... Your Daddy's got you collared.
[Christine:] It's alright... look... if we... if its nice.
[Jackie:] Where the hell did you get that one from.
[Rene:] London?
[Christine:] No the whole terrace.
[Rene:] You got your collar all
[Jackie:] it's all colour, you need lots of it... the age of the hippy. Oh.
[Christine:] Mum... can you sort my collar out.
[Jackie:] Come here then.
[Christine:] I don't like that.
[Jackie:] Turn it round.
[Christine:] Come on Daddy.
[Rene:] He's doing his shoes up.
[Tony:] I'm trying to hurry.
[Christine:] Come on.
[Jackie:] Did you do those videos.
[Tony:] Yep.
[Jackie:] Oh great.
[Tony:] Erm...
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] Oh yeah... notice you didn't know you had them until we clear out the wardrobe.
[Christine:] No I didn't know I had these things.
[Rene:] So you're, oh that's your wool hat.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Mum I didn't know I had them.
[Rene:] Your Dad still.
[Jackie:] The, yeah... the leather, the.
[Rene:] Smells terrible.
[Tony:] I haven't got my keys... I'll go and get them.
[Jackie:] No, it's alright I've just put mine away.
[Tony:] No... erm car keys.
[Jackie:] Oh... Tony if I leave my seat in will you lock the door?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Or have you got my bag then.
[Tony:] I've got my house keys.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah... shopping bags?... Oh.
[Tony:] Here are.
[Jackie:] Thank you... I'm hopeless.
[Christine:] I know... come on then.
[Tony:] Oh I'll leave that one up.
[Christine:] Grandma will turn on the radio?
[Rene:] Wait a minute.
[Jackie:] No, leave it off Christine.
[Rene:] Got your lights on.
[Jackie:] No we're not even away yet.
[Rene:] Oh.
[Jackie:] I'm putting my belt on.
[Rene:] Thanks for taking me down anyway.
[Jackie:] Oh that's no trouble... it's practically on the way so
[Rene:] I'm keeping your seat warm for you Tony.
[Tony:] Okay.
[Rene:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] If things had turned out differently I'd been driving you down here.
[Jackie:] Ah... never mind... it won't be long.
[Tony:] No it won't be long... saying that a year ago. [LAUGHTER]
[Rene:] I think half of its nerves.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's all nerves.
[Rene:] It's like you the first time weren't it.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Oh come on... don't play me up, we'll have to check this.
[Rene:] Got a bit cold have you Jack?
[Jackie:] Yeah... cold and damp that's the two things that it doesn't like. No, it's not I thought it was a bit thin. [LAUGHTER]
[Rene:] Ah mm... Oh she thinks she's nice and thin... Thank you very much.
[Tony:] Your welcome.
[Jackie:] Okay.
[Rene:] I'll see you tomorrow night then?
[Jackie:] Okay then. Yeah... worst luck.
[Rene:] Cheerio... cheerio Christine.
[Christine:] Bye.
[Jackie:] Bye.... Bye.
[Rene:] Oh cr
[Christine:] Mum, would you just sit up there with the bike... like a twist bike.
[Tony:] Hurry up.
[Christine:] Put the radio on now.
[Jackie:] Can I put the radio on?
[Tony:] Yeah. I think a lot of it was to do with the fact that I'd never driven in the dark before.
[Jackie:] Well yeah, it's bound to throw you, I mean its
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] it's the first time you drove in the dark was on your driving test... wasn't it?
[Tony:] Yeah... I must admit I think that a little bit erm
[Jackie:] It was unfortunate
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] but it was.
[Tony:] I suppose I could have er... looking at
[Jackie:] Was it as dark as this?....
[Tony:] By the time I'd finished, yes... it was pitch dark.
[Jackie:] Well the only thing you can do is hopefully your next test isn't at the same time... make it a
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] different time.
[Tony:] But in any event it would be a good idea if I had some tests... some lessons in the dark.
[Jackie:] Might be... I mean ask Brian, see
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] what he can do because
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] I mean I knew... the first day I drove in the dark was the first night we had the car and it was most odd experience
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I mean... first day
[Tony:] I found it
[Jackie:] driving a brand new car and then
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] driving in the dark for the first time, ha.
[Tony:] Yeah... I'd find it quite difficult... well I could see the headlights... coming up... and I was thinking... now how fast is that car coming up... I don't really know.
[Jackie:] Yeah... and the thing is also being... new to driving you tend to look at the headlights rather than look away from them.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] And that doesn't help because... I don't know, it wasn't, I don't think you'd find it was as dark as this.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Not at four o'clock, its not quite that dark at
[Tony:] [cough]
[Jackie:] half past, yeah
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] but not this dark at four, not yet.
[Tony:] Well he had to switch on the interior light to be able to fill out the form.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah, it's pretty dark but not
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] it's not black like this.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Are you, what are you doing tomorrow, are you coming in with me?
[Tony:] Erm... yeah.
[Jackie:] Friday.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Good.
[Tony:] I'm coming with you... I've got to do er... I've gotta do some prep
[Jackie:] it's nice to have someone to talk to.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... Yeah, but you may be recorded.
[Jackie:] I don't care.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... Oh.
[Jackie:] Nice chap.
[Tony:] Where did he come from?
[Jackie:] He came out of the Harvester but it would have been nice if he'd waited [LAUGHTER] for there to be a gap in the traffic [].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... Yeah.
[Jackie:] If you see what I mean.
[Tony:] Yeah... Oh he wasn't gonna wait
[Jackie:] . [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] either. [LAUGHTER] Oh dear.
[Jackie:] Ah... it's gonna be one of those nights tonight.
[Tony:] Yeah I think so... I must admit from one point of view... I'm quite glad that I... haven't... passed... cos
[Jackie:] Why?
[Tony:] it's a bad... as you said it's a bad time to start driving now there's an awful lot of
[Jackie:] Idiots come out.
[Tony:] idiots on the road... especially coming
[Jackie:] last
[Tony:] up to Christmas
[Jackie:] Yeah, last Christmas was a real eye opener to me, cos the Christmas before
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I didn't drive very much cos my Dad was still so bad I only did
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] the essential journeys
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] and I mean I then I'd only just had my operation an... and to actually... drive... for longer than about... twenty minute journeys was killing... so
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I only drove over to to do the shopping and to pick Christine up from School.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] That was all.
[Tony:] Yeah you're right I look at the headlights.
[Jackie:] Yeah you must do you see you've got to
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] look... if you've got to concentrate on anything, concentrate on the white line or
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] the kerb... certainly the white line if you can
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] cos if you concentrate on the kerb you tend to drive a bit too close to it
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and also it's not always there for you to see easily
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] whereas the white line is... But if you look into the headlights it can be... not dark... erm but... it appears to be dark because
[Tony:] Well your pupils re erm
[Jackie:] they react into the headlights.
[Tony:] react into the headlights, yeah... so it makes it seem darker.
[Jackie:] And you've gotta be careful as well at night not to hang on to the tail lights of the thing in from of you
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] cos it's very easy to do it because they're two little red beacons
[Tony:] Yes.
[Jackie:] you know you've still got to look ahead
[Tony:] Yes.
[Jackie:] and concentrate on what's happening
[Tony:] Yes.
[Jackie:] further up the road.
[Tony:] There was one point during my test when I was driving along and erm... the I was creeping forward in a stream of traffic and the person in front of me had crossed the solid white line at some traffic lights... and the lights changed and it would have been very easy to follow his lights and just carry on
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] but I didn't I stopped [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] But you see it every day... I mean
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know I've had it happen the lights have changed just as I've been crossing them so I've gone over and three cars immediately behind me have followed me.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] We're gonna have to get a tyre gauge I reckon... they've got a new depth of tread... one point six millimetres which is bigger than the. Now he's gonna be sneaky now [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... No the only thing that consumed me I was looking to see if there was anyway... that material from the seat could be used to sort of target us for a mailing system or something like that
[Jackie:] No but it can't
[Tony:] Not... not if they stick by th what they've said
[Jackie:] Yes and it's more than they
[Tony:] Well yeah.
[Jackie:] We even know where it came from.
[Tony:] Yes... that's right... He was travelling wasn't he?
[Jackie:] Well on the wrong side of the road as well just a bit rather nutty.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Are we gonna have another go at Christine's bedroom this weekend?
[Tony:] Could do, yep.
[Jackie:] Do you want to see if we can finish it Christine.
[Christine:] Yep.
[Jackie:] How about if we went out and bought the desk... erm
[Christine:] Yes... yes Mummy.
[Jackie:] Now wait... erm Saturday?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Only we I don't, I don't know about you but I don't want to leave it until the last minute
[Tony:] No... No
[Jackie:] I'd rather
[Christine:] Mum.
[Jackie:] We're gonna have to take these for Christmas shopping.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Well... we've got to finish sorting it out Chris cos there's still too much stuff... for once it's
[Christine:] Can I
[Jackie:] when it's completely sorted out Chrissie... erm... oh I don't really know what to say, she's having this desk for Christmas
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] once her bedroom is sorted oh well, well we'll have a talk about it later on okay?
[Tony:] It's whether we put the desk in the room.
[Jackie:] It's whether we do it now and we let her have it before
[Tony:] Mhm... and then she'll feel she's not had anything for Christmas.
[Christine:] No I won't.
[Tony:] Well... this or
[Christine:] Find a cheaper one.
[Tony:] We'll have a think through.
[Jackie:] Well she'll still get her ch her stocking and
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] a voucher for Christmas.
[Tony:] Yeah... and she'll have other things to open on Christmas day won't she.
[Jackie:] Yes, I don't think she's going to be short, do you?
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] A bit like with the keyboards isn't it... two keyboards for a birthday present.
[Jackie:] The thing the desk you can use... once we've got your bedroom sorted out
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] but Christine it's gonna be... arranging that desk is gonna take a whole er oh... arranging the bedroom is gonna take a whole day... cos you're wardrobe is too heavy to move on it's own it's got to be taken apart
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Okay?
[Christine:] I really want it in.
[Jackie:] But it's gonna take a long time, it's not gonna be a... quick half hour job
[Christine:] Yeah... It's gonna involve a lot of moving as well
[Jackie:] Well no not... the heaviest thing is your wardrobe
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and that's gotta be taken apart right? And the bed will slide to one end.
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] Everything's got to be sorted out I think her pram and... her other desk is gonna have to go up in the
[Christine:] Mummy?
[Jackie:] Yes.
[Christine:] Mummy, there's one thing I don't like though
[Jackie:] What's that?
[Christine:] Gonna have ages
[Jackie:] Well I think I might be able to sort that out a lot of it will be underneath your
[Christine:] You know where
[Jackie:] well some of
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] it will covered up in any case.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's alright, I'm just... going up one up here.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] That place where your wardrobe is
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] erm... will be covered up by your bed
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and the place where two of th
[Christine:] It's not my wardrobe so much, it's my bed... my bed
[Jackie:] Yeah, but
[Christine:] is at one end
[Jackie:] Well I've... heard of a tip... whether it works or not I don't know... so we'll try it and see... that's all
[Christine:] Alright, what's that
[Jackie:] we can do... she put an ice cube on the... splodge... let it melt and when it drys out the carpet comes up again but I don't know if it'll work but it can't do any harm, can it?
[Christine:] No, just might be quite a bit wet.
[Jackie:] Be a daughter.
[Tony:] Oh god.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Christine:] What's that?
[Jackie:] This thing
[Tony:] The
[Jackie:] that you we're playing with this morning and you didn't put it in properly.
[Christine:] Yeah, and rubbing it all down the window with my cardi.
[Jackie:] Yeah.... I've spoken, don't do that any more!
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Squeak.
[Jackie:] Don't do that any more.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Can't wait to get this bedroom sorted out... Do think I could have my desk?
[Jackie:] I think so there's not much point in... keeping it in it's box is there
[Christine:] No, it's gonna put to good use
[Tony:] What do you think?... Tony? Yeah, okay but we'll have to do it when we've got time
[Jackie:] Don't
[Tony:] and that might be... shortly before Christmas anyway.
[Jackie:] Okay?
[Christine:] Okay.
[Jackie:] It's only another three, four weeks to Christmas now in any case.
[Tony:] You might have to wait until we're act
[Jackie:] She's been a bit sick.
[Tony:] Oh... you might have to fit... you might have to fix... you might have to wait until we've got... time off over Christmas before we do it, anyway.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Cos we've only got Sundays... and this Sunday
[Christine:] I tell you what I'd love now
[Jackie:] we're gonna be clearing out those, thank you... the rest
[Christine:] Dad.
[Jackie:] of your... bedroom... Sunday after probably Grandma will be coming up
[Christine:] Yeah... Daddy?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] What I want to do... up our steps on the twentieth of December
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] I want to come home I want to go up to my bedroom and get on with
[Jackie:] Well you'll have your bedroom will be totally different, it will be
[Christine:] I know.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Brilliant.
[Jackie:] much more grown up.
[Christine:] My desk will be there and my dungarees will be there.
[Jackie:] I think though, your lamp you're gonna have to wait for your lamp because that's... but you can have your desk
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and we'll Grandma about the chair, but I can't see her saying no
[Christine:] No.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] cos Grandma buying you you're chair isn't she.
[Christine:] Yeah, I know but I... can't really do can I... I have to get the stool from downstairs.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I think Grandma will agree.
[Christine:] No, she won't.
[Jackie:] Oh I didn't ask your Mum if she wanted any... sweet and sour... is he stopping, going?
[Tony:] Ha, ha.
[Jackie:] Stopping.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I must pump up these tyres [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] []
[Tony:] Well I'll have to do it over the weekend.
[Jackie:] Yeah and the car needs a wash as well.
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] Look at that man sitting there.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Sit back.
[Tony:] There's Dad.
[Jackie:] Oh there's Grampy.
[Tony:] Erm I'll stop this a minute.
[Jackie:] Tony's wired for action [LAUGHTER].
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER] Oh yeah []
[Tony:] It's got a little microphone out there... you alright you got the bags.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Right.
[Christine:] They're gonna be thinking... Nanny come on take it down.
[Mum:] Oh do I do I take our.
[Tony:] Yeah, Yeah you take
[Mum:] take our er friend in there.
[Jackie:] Oh it'll be alright, yeah. [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] We what?
[Jackie:] Have you got the letter... the.
[Tony:] Oh... yeah ah I
[Christine:] Daddy?
[Tony:] haven't got the letter it's in the car.
[Christine:] Daddy... they're gonna be saying Anneka Rice?... Where's her film crew? [LAUGHTER]... Imagine saying that
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]... I don't think Daddy's got the legs
[Tony:] I don't think, I don't think I'm quite that shape.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] No [].
[Tony:] Erm
[Mum:] I don't think Daddy's got the energy to... to to run all round Tesco's either.
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Oh I don't know... Yeah.
[Mum:] Asking them to donate.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] On... I had a half day on Wednesday
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Tony:] took my driving test
[Mum:] Did you?
[Tony:] And I
[Mum:] Ah.
[Tony:] failed. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] You know the result.
[Mum:] Yeah... ah... what a shame.
[Tony:] Otherwise I'd have been driving tonight
[Mum:] Yeah?... Ah... on much?
[Tony:] Erm... but er... no not a lot, not a lot
[Mum:] Oh.
[Tony:] erm use of erm... use of clutch of and gears was a bit needed some more work
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Tony:] I er ended up... I I coasted round a corner which is something you shouldn't do
[Mum:] Aha.
[Tony:] Erm... and I sli I yo... pulled me up to one corner and I know it's really nasty
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Erm so I slowed right down... and then was criticized cos I over sl cos I slowed down too much.
[Mum:] Ah.
[Tony:] I knew it was a really tight corner and so I slowed right down and was criticized for it, ha.
[Jackie:] I think you might like more what's round the other side.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Are you gonna get one with some little tassels on then Dad?
[Tony:] I don't know.
[Jackie:] Cos you're best ones are like that aren't they?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] What a... ooh.
[Tony:] Ooh... ooh.
[Jackie:] Mummy... Mum. Leave... yes.
[Christine:] Thank you.
[Jackie:] Comfy.
[Christine:] Look.
[Tony:] Mm... that's a nine... feel the inside of that
[Jackie:] Ooh
[Tony:] It'll be ideal for work
[Jackie:] and the sole goes right up over there so you're not
[Tony:] Mm
[Jackie:] gonna lose a bit off the front.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... What is it... what's it made of?
[Jackie:] Leather... I can see that
[Tony:] Is it?
[Jackie:] Leather upper manmade lining and sole.
[Tony:] Oh that's okay... How much are they?
[Jackie:] Seventeen ninety nine
[Tony:] Mm
[Jackie:] Better than the.
[Tony:] That's not bad... what are those?... cheaper [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Look it's not the cheap that you're looking for.
[Tony:] Don't like them
[Jackie:] No, neither do I.
[Tony:] to be quite honest.
[Jackie:] Let's looking you're looking for comfortable shoes aren't you?
[Tony:] They're smart, they're a bit I don't like those... they go slippy slidey all over the place with those... but these are nice.
[Jackie:] It's a shame they don't do the grey ones in black cos they looked comfortable as well.
[Tony:] Those?... Yeah... they do
[Jackie:] Sorry?
[Tony:] Yeah they look... they do look comfortable but
[Jackie:] Sorry.
[Tony:] I mean I don't have to wear black shoes but... they do suit
[Jackie:] I think I've put my foot in it don't you?
[Mum:] .
[Tony:] Why's that?... Mm?
[Jackie:] When I said oh gosh personally.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I mean he doesn't know the
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] he's only had them
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] for a few months.
[Tony:] That's right.
[Jackie:] Stupid.
[Tony:] Yep... I agree... erm... I'd better try them on hadn't I?
[Jackie:] Try them on, yeah.
[Tony:] I hate this [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Erm
[Jackie:] I'll hold on to you dear. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] I do need a new pair of shoes.
[Jackie:] You desperately need a new pair of shoes.
[Tony:] Certainly... oop er... ooh
[Jackie:] Do they feel good?
[Tony:] That's a nine... have they got
[Jackie:] A ten?
[Tony:] a ten
[Jackie:] I could ask the girl to see for you.
[Tony:] I'm not... it's just that my fe... ah but they're not laced up are they?... Ah now that's better... only it felt as if my
[Jackie:] and they will give a bit
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] but they're leather.
[Tony:] Yeah, they're quite soft anyway... it just felt as if they were sort of my toes were sort of jammed up against the end... but
[Jackie:] How do they feel now?
[Tony:] Ah... I mean they will soften anyway and they are comfortable... it's just that the sides are a bit rigid at the moment but then they're bound to be... and they will give.
[Jackie:] Yeah... well tha that's the nice thing about having leather shoes
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] if you sort of go to fit you sl
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] slightly... I mean if they're uncomfortable don't have them.
[Tony:] No they're not uncomfortable... ah... get the other shoe off... oop... mm... just... there
[Jackie:] Do the lace up a little bit more
[Tony:] they're rather narrow... just there... no... I'm sorry they're too narrow... they're really st... tight across there.
[Jackie:] Well that's no good then is it?
[Tony:] I my my little toe is
[Jackie:] are comfortable.
[Tony:] They are yeah.
[Jackie:] Do you like your best shoes?... but those look wider across the toes.
[Tony:] No, no those are too narrow... I'm getting fussy in my old age perhaps but
[Jackie:] No it's not fussy i i if they're not comfortable you're gonna have problems with your feet
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] and that's silly.
[Tony:] Oh no those are fine.
[Jackie:] Those ones?
[Tony:] Those are really fine... apart from the fact that it's the wrong foot... ha.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Oh hang on... no that's two... they're it's two right foot
[Jackie:] What size was it again?
[Tony:] Nine.
[Jackie:] What are those... eight?... nine... is that the other one.
[Tony:] Yeah... yeah those are fine... those were comfortable
[Jackie:] Were they slippy when you walked... have a little walk... I liked them with laces.
[Tony:] Mm... no they're they're fine... and they they would be nice for sort of best shoes wouldn't they?
[Jackie:] Well you could have a look at your best ones and decide which ones you want to keep for best.
[Tony:] Mm... yeah... how much are they.?
[Jackie:] I don't know, it doesn't matter.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... Yes it does.
[Jackie:] There's no price on them so it doesn't matter... there isn't a price on any of them so... oh we'll
[Tony:] Seventeen ninety nine... that's okay then... if it's alright with you it's alright with me.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] I know I'll end up with two pairs of shoes similar but
[Jackie:] Well it's up to you if you want them to s... shall I see if I can find a girl... and you might try a size ten in the other ones... would you like me
[Tony:] No... I'll tell you why... it's not the fact that they... they fit but they're too narrow... if
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Tony:] I went for a size ten... it would be too big do you see what I mean... whereas those fit... okay?
[Jackie:] Yep.
[Tony:] Oh well... it's gonna be another forty five minutes... I must admit I have sympathy for the people who are going to listen to this.
[Jackie:] Yeah so have I, it must be boring.
[Tony:] Must be really boring.
[Jackie:] To actually go through it a bit at a time... I mean the majority of it is fine
[Tony:] Mm... was quite a hard... hard part of the sample to find [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Do you know what
[Tony:] The... unemployed person within... between thirty five and forty five
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] is quite hard to find one around our estate [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] A lot of the people are over employed.
[Mum:] One cabbage... give your pet rabbit for the
[Jackie:] His Dad's foot, he's still limping isn't he?
[Mum:] Yeah, he's not as bad though... a lot better
[Tony:] Mm.
[Mum:] yeah... it's a lot better.
[Jackie:] Cos I noticed when we were there and it just collapsed he couldn't walk a lot.
[Mum:] No, no it's a lot better... than what it was... he went to the doctor and the doctor said.
[Jackie:] Really?
[Mum:] Yes... She went up [LAUGHTER] and I []... it's smaller... it's... it's soft
[Jackie:] Oh stupid you've got
[Mum:] and then
[Jackie:] no hard skin there
[Mum:] no... he thinks doctors have got.
[Jackie:] Oh... wait a minute the doctor shouldn't have seen it then should he?
[Mum:] ... Gotta a get any damsons today?... Gotta get any apples today?
[Jackie:] No I've... we've got some at home... I got some... erm
[Mum:] Oh yes.
[Jackie:] I got two big plastic
[Mum:] Oh... that's a lot.
[Christine:] Daddy?
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] So you said she started to grow sesame herbs.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] What you want to do is and said probably again nine months after
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] then I could start and you don't get any
[Mum:] Oh great... how many could he do?
[Jackie:] Don't start Chris!
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Don't start!
[Mum:] ... yeah.
[Jackie:] and send it to
[Mum:] That's great.
[Jackie:] so... with a bit of luck we won't have to go
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] any more.
[Tony:] Yeah... Dot was telling me how erm... they had somebody... with th erm... similar problem but more pronounced
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and they actually failed... there erm... her riding test because they weren't sitting straight on the horse.
[Jackie:] Yeah... yeah.
[Tony:] And the reason why they weren't sitting straight is because one shoulder was higher than the other.
[Mum:] Ah yeah.
[Christine:] One of my shoulders is like higher than the other.
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] Your lucky didn't they say yours were very narrow never mind you can go along and enter again.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Grandma?... come here...
[Tony:] Ha ha.
[Mum:] I'll make
[Tony:] If you wanna... me to turn it off at anytime... just say.
[Jackie:] I just wonder how it's gonna come out... with all the background noise, I wonder whether
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] it's gonna be... worth
[Tony:] Well
[Jackie:] them having.
[Tony:] yeah
[Jackie:] That's all.
[Tony:] it's not my problem I'm afraid.
[Jackie:] No... well it's not but... trying to say
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Do we need any bin liners?... I bought some... last week didn't I Chris?... Have the bin liners... we got enough black bags... yes we've got
[Tony:] We've got enough black bags.
[Jackie:] yeah cos I over
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] What you doing
[Christine:] No.
[Jackie:] What do you think?
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] She's being a vandal.
[Christine:] Cut all this that's going on tape.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Oh yes... a vandal.
[Christine:] Oh look they've got a teddy bear.
[Jackie:] She's got all her.
[Christine:] Has she?
[Jackie:] Yep.
[Tony:] Yep... first of December... Sunday... start opening those things and eating those sweets.
[Mum:] You don't eat them tha
[Tony:] Oh no.
[Mum:] that's just a pretty one.
[Tony:] That's right what was I thinking of.
[Mum:] I mean she doesn't... she don't get through a lot of chocolates does she?
[Tony:] No.
[Mum:] Can you reach me three of those small tins... at the top... the processed ones.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Thank you very much I won't let you put it in your trolley.
[Jackie:] Ha ha.
[Tony:] Do we want any of those for Christine?
[Jackie:] What?... She doesn't likes the processed ones she likes the ones.
[Tony:] Oh have they got any... yeah.
[Jackie:] Did you get some sweetcorn?... right... We got some brussels sprouts
[Tony:] Brussels... yeah.
[Jackie:] I thought it might be nice to put her back on her vitamin tablets actually... it's just a vitamin C haliborange one.
[Christine:] Christmas streamers.
[Jackie:] Go alright starting to get fed up you know.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... Oh sorry!... You would have been proud of my driving test examiner.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Is it that size?
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Shall I see if I can get you some?
[Mum:] Yeah please Jack cos er... I er that's been enough for me to open for myself... and the big one's too big.
[Tony:] He turned round to me and he said... erm... right then... I'll take you t would you take me to your vehicle... erm... and may I call you Anthony?
[Mum:] Oh... very nice.
[Tony:] So I said... yes okay. [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] No, I don't like it.
[Tony:] I nearly said no I don't like it call me Tony
[Mum:] Call me Tony.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] It's a wonder you didn't.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... oh... it made... it made a nice change.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Tony:] No you do it when you're telling me off. [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] Yeah. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Sorry?
[Tony:] I say Mum calls me Anthony when she's telling me off.
[Jackie:] Who?
[Tony:] Mum.
[Jackie:] Yeah. [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] You think oops I've done something wrong. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] a packet of cereal there.
[Christine:] .
[Mum:] No... it's bad for you... won't be half busy to come out the Sunday before Christmas won't it?
[Tony:] Mm... bi
[Jackie:] I was just thinking that way as well.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Mm. Mm.
[Christine:] Come on Dad let's go.
[Jackie:] ... I like to keep one of those just in case they er....
[Tony:] Round here with the toys.
[Christine:] Grandma,.
[Tony:] Ha, Ha, Ha.
[Jackie:] No Vicky I meant.
[Tony:] I thought you said where's Christine?
[Jackie:] No Vicky.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] I can't see her.
[Tony:] No... I can't yet.
[Jackie:] She's probably way up the other end.
[Tony:] Aha... leave the poor girl alone to her work.
[Jackie:] Christine.
[Christine:] Yes.
[Jackie:] Oh little babies.
[Tony:] Oh dear.
[Jackie:] It's good actually cos it's not obvious
[Tony:] I haven't g... I haven't got any other tapes.
[Jackie:] Oh well wait until that's finished it's that's it then
[Tony:] That's it then for today.
[Jackie:] till tomorrow.
[Tony:] Yeah. Mum!
[Mum:] Thank you.
[Tony:] Well spotted.
[Mum:] How much are they?
[Jackie:] Three nineteen.
[Mum:] Right okay.
[Tony:] Oh yes... loves them doesn't he.
[Mum:] [cough] urgh!
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] They might look very attractive
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Nice gooey cake [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] We shouldn't should we?
[Jackie:] No... which one do you want then [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] No... okay.
[Jackie:] Those are nice.
[Tony:] What, those or those?
[Jackie:] This.
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] They're all nice actually aren't they?
[Tony:] Is that alright, yeah.
[Jackie:] kitchen cupboard let's do it properly. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] Do you only want sweet That's a new one... Hovis White.
[Tony:] Hovis White... mm.
[Jackie:] Don't particularly want any more
[Tony:] Ah... sorry... erm
[Jackie:] If I pull that out.
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] Don't.
[Tony:] Ha?
[Jackie:] Get
[Tony:] Ooh... nearly ran Mum over. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Oh remember those Brownies?
[Tony:] Oh... oh they were really sickly rich, weren't they and
[Jackie:] Yep.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Nice though but
[Tony:] Mhm
[Jackie:] too much though.
[Tony:] A bit too much really.
[Jackie:] We need some more meat for Ben from the pet shop.
[Mum:] Oh look!
[Jackie:] Yeah they had those in last week.
[Mum:] Six.
[Jackie:] Six.
[Mum:] I think those are one twenty nine
[Jackie:] and what are those ten
[Mum:] There's two forty four... no two forty four, twenty four
[Tony:] Yeah, two fo
[Mum:] two forty it would have been
[Tony:] Two forty... yeah.
[Mum:] So it's cheaper to buy those...
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's all different varieties, one, two, three... six... different varieties.
[Tony:] six... different varieties yeah.
[Jackie:] Oh he'll like that... it's got his tripe
[Mum:] Oh Yuk!
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] He likes it no matter what you pu... although he didn't like that other stuff we bought did he?
[Jackie:] No... no... no.
[Christine:] And he likes tripe.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah... he likes that make but... Urgh!... the cat litters spilt.
[Jackie:] Urgh!
[Tony:] What did you say?
[Jackie:] I said shall I get him some more chews?
[Tony:] How many has he got do you know?
[Jackie:] About half a box... at home...... oh I will
[Tony:] No he's got... mm
[Jackie:] that er
[Tony:] he's got enough to keep him going for now.
[Jackie:] Yeah... potatoes including maggots! [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] really good []... sorry.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] Vegetarian potatoes ha ha.
[Tony:] Sorry?
[Mum:] Vegetarian potatoes.
[Tony:] Yeah... what?
[Jackie:] Have you switched off yet?
[Tony:] No... do want me... okay.
[Jackie:] No I just wondered... oh it has
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] Turn round... where's the little light then?... Oh round there... just wondered whether you wanted to keep a bit of tape for Vicky.
[Tony:] Oh... Is she here?
[Jackie:] I don't know I haven't seen her yet... probably... I want to get some minced beef... got some lamb... have... little erm...
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] but we're being good.
[Tony:] Are we? [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Oh that's just once a week...
[Tony:] Yeah okay... no.
[Jackie:] Some
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]... In fact I do like these I think I'll get one
[Mum:] Yeah. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] to put in the fridge... how are your nearly there?
[Mum:] ... it's surprising how that much went by isn't it?
[Jackie:] Oh yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] What?... What was funny it made a loud noise but it hurt my ankle as well.
[Tony:] What?
[Christine:] That.
[Tony:] Oh... sorry I didn't notice that.
[Christine:] It hurt me there... yeah it hurt me.
[Tony:] I was trying to listen to what Grandma was saying.
[Vicky:] I can't say anything now
[Tony:] It's too late you're already recording. [LAUGHTER]
[Vicky:] That's not fair.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... Do you mind?
[Vicky:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] You just can't think of anything to say now can you [].
[Vicky:] I've gone bright red
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Vicky:] but you can't see that.
[Tony:] Right... good.
[Jackie:] He put it on and walked round with it for about ten minutes before we had the nerve to [LAUGHTER] say anything to him [].
[Tony:] Nobody would talk to me.
[Vicky:] I can't say I blame them.
[Tony:] No.
[Vicky:] No... What's it for anyway, come on.
[Tony:] It's it is a nationwide survey on spoken English... erm there's a somebody approached me today... and said would I carry a tape around for a week and record people talking.
[Vicky:] It's actually for a spoken
[Tony:] Oh dear, and er... I got new pair of sheets, because they were erm... they were the ones I had. So I've got that type pair of sheets.
[Dot:] .
[Tony:] Erm quite like these actually, there slip on's and, and they've got and they got erm studs
[Dot:] Mm.
[Tony:] down there and decoration and have on. I keep those best and where these then, these used to be my best shoes, [LAUGHTER].
[Dot:] .
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Dot:] Is that. I thought you might like to.
[Tony:] Mm, yeah, thinking.
[Dot:] .
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Dot:] .
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER], yeah it's come in handy to put those things right at the beginning, that's the first thing you look at, you do it on purpose.
[Dot:] .
[Tony:] Yeah. Did erm, have you seen this and it's for when you eh, eh change your week ending.
[Dot:] Yeah, I think so.
[Tony:] And what you do, is you, say the whole week ending in [car horn], [LAUGHTER], your week ending day is Tuesday, so you do that, the new week ending day, so the Wednesday's got to be four. That's Wales, is it North Wales? Yeah.
[Dot:] .
[Tony:] Yeah, how long did it take you to get up?
[Dot:] I went up.
[Tony:] Not that, yeah.
[Dot:] .
[Tony:] Yeah, yeah, yeah it must be because it's erm, is it two hundred miles or not quite?
[Dot:] I don't know.
[Tony:] Ah yeah, yeah, so what are the roads like is it any roads or
[Dot:] Some of them are..
[Tony:] No.
[Dot:] .
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Dot:] .
[Tony:] Mm. Is it quite hilly er, quite twisty or what.
[Dot:] It varies quite a lot. With erm in the dark it.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Dot:] .
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Dot:] And guess what they did
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Dot:] And that.
[Tony:] Mm, mm, yeah, yeah,.
[Dot:] But it was such a lovely.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Dot:] .
[Martin:] The this is better technical jargon that suppose to help
[Tony:] Right.
[Martin:] , the recovery of that circular four, appendix one of the planning resources handbook so, all of the items for which the E S can recover the VAT and that the invoices payable, the re-coverall VAT for once are part of the resource allocation and any short fall can seriously effect the E S budget. It's that in the period April ninety one to September ninety one there has been under recovery of VAT of nearly half a million pounds, will wait until they recover it of which two er twenty six thousand is the true result of the South West Region of twenty six thousand pounds just over twenty one and a half thousand pounds related to job club fees, with all staff responsible for organising rosters even sure they are around the content of appendix one, section four, and that that correctly identified in cages, Margaret Cornwall. Write in the Margaret all systems computer so we can all read it.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Martin:] Well I, I got to get up and walk over and find it.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Martin:] Because I do not hold... the appropriate resource in hand, whatever she's got, very helpful isn't it?
[Tony:] Yeah, yeah, wonderful.
[Martin:] That's all of interest in this I.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] oh, you know it's amazing when you erm... a reference always refers to something else, you gotta go and get that
[Martin:] Yes, I think... we ought to do something about it Tony, a message. Ah look at this, Client Service Handbook, that's in this over Section F. It says F is for literacy problems, debts problems and drug alcohol problems as well as. Try telling that to my three year old see what.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Martin:] It's fire engine.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Martin:] I didn't. Where am I, here we are, New Employer, you have to get a copy of that....
[Tony:] Some of these official inspections are awful aren't they?
[Martin:] Well, there, there going to understand what they, what they've written about as well as.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER] yeah.
[Martin:] Oh here, here is a fine example anything with in it has got to be doubtful.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER], yes....
[Martin:] Goodness gracious me, here we go.
[Tony:] Right.
[Martin:] Th this is a crunchy, sort off pot putting anyone within the employment service can request change to. E G a change to a cost centre or a. Changes are to be carefully considered before there because due to the complexity and the importance of those even minor changes, cause unexpected problems. That can't mean nothing. I suppose, tell me what I shall consider
[Tony:] No.
[Martin:] How I shall consider it. Why I should want to change anything, just nothing.. Here gigantic... gi, we use to have a word of the day when erm Ian was here, use to put word of the day up on the board
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Martin:] What we do is take the, the day of the week and the, the calendar date, it might be the say it was the fourth day of the week Thursday
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Martin:] And it was July, it's got to. It was the third day in July, page four, seven, three and then I had to find a word that I'd never heard off before and put it up on the board.
[speaker005:] .
[Martin:] Like gromwell,. [LAUGHTER].
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Martin:] And then people would put up there suggestions of what a gromwell was [LAUGHTER].
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Martin:] It was good fun, we won't, I won't re-institute that one.
[speaker005:] Yeah that's good.
[Martin:] Ginormous, where are we, ginormous, erm, no it's not in here and er G Y or J I or J Y so no it doesn't.
[Tony:] No, but eh, another word that was... I've heard used, and it was, actually it was quite annoying because the chap used it, used it wrongly, but I didn't know that he'd used it wrongly at the time.
[Martin:] Mm, mm. What.
[Tony:] It was paradigm.
[Martin:] Paradigm?
[Tony:] Yes.
[Martin:] Yeah, paradigm that, that's a bit like a paradox but completely different
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Martin:] What, what is it as a paradigm.
[Tony:] You, you, you can't, yeah, you said you can't use er money as a paradigm for energy.
[Martin:] Ah.
[Tony:] And what he really meant to say was, you can't use money as a er a... as a sort of parallel to energy, but paradigm doesn't mean parallel, it means something, something different.
[Martin:] It does, doesn't it?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Martin:] I mean it's not they way you expect it either, yeah, paradigm means example of pattern of, reflection of noun, hence parasite, big.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Martin:] No, I don't think I believe at all.
[Tony:] No, but, he was using it as, as a fancy word for parallel and he wasn't using it properly. The trouble is I didn't know because I've never heard the word before.
[Martin:] So, you could off asked him, what's he mean by the word paradigm.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Martin:] Because I've never used that word before, he'll say something completely pathetic.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Martin:] At least you'll know what he meant by it.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Margaret:] In years to come now they'll life it out and say oh look at it. I think it's how they used to speak in the twentieth century.
[Tony:] That's right, in the year nineteen ninety one or whatever, no I thought it was quite, quite good.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Bit of erm... and it's all anonymous and everything so
[Dot:] Oh you've got tape, you've got another one? How did you get two?
[Margaret:] There's some more at college, I haven't got one yet.
[Dot:] Oh alright then.
[Margaret:] somebody else's, got mine.
[Dot:] As long as you haven't got one yet, that's alright... I'll be back, I'm just going out to the bank.
[Margaret:] Alright.
[speaker005:] Family relations in Birkwood that would be an eye opener for her. What? I'll take it home this weekend and record family relations in Birkwood, that'll be an eye opener because like if I read the handicap for him, he talks absolute gobbledegook, that'll be interesting. [LAUGHTER]. [LAUGHTER]. [LAUGHTER]. This is the average family, the nuclear family. [LAUGHTER]. My dad's never called anybody by their proper names so that's what's confusion as well.
[Tony:] What's your nickname love?
[speaker005:] Nobby.
[Tony:] Nobby.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] What do you get called Nobby for?
[speaker005:] Nobby Stiles, the little with no teeth.
[Tony:] Oh I know, yeah.
[speaker005:] Don't ask me why, because he's, because he's ugly.
[Tony:] Huh.
[speaker005:] Walter, after Walter because he thinks he looks like Walter
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]. Huh. . I think I'll my desk. [noise in background] I walking round the supermarket erm yeah last night
[speaker005:] Did you Yeah.
[Tony:] and that's what and I completely the checkout girl because I, I know her quite well, we always have to guess the same one, we have a bit of a laugh and I said do you want to be erm part of a national survey on s this English er on spoken English and she said oh, alright, so I said there you are your on
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] and she said what, pardon, erm, erm what have I got to say [LAUGHTER].
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]. It's much better if you just switch it on and forget about it.
[speaker005:] Yeah, forget about it.
[Tony:] Yeah, that's, that's what I did at, at home. The only thing is then you've got to remember if you, if you have a row or something, to go back and wipe, wipe that bit off [LAUGHTER].
[speaker005:] It's obvious with this training thing takes part you know, I've got to move in to the grotty old school room in so.
[Tony:] Oh.
[speaker005:] It should've been Concorde.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]. Concorde?
[Margaret:] By rights you know, would you mind moving into Concorde so can have Brunel, I mean I've got I'm, I'd like to say yes I'll do my move into Concorde broom cupboard
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Margaret:] But, eh, my not suppose to give up.
[Tony:] Yeah...
[speaker005:] Are they stickers over there?
[Tony:] Erm, no the only stickers I've got, they've got the number written on.
[speaker005:] Oh, have they got any sixes on?
[Tony:] Erm
[speaker005:] I need some stickers.
[Tony:] Oh, now, somebody had a roll of blank ones,... but erm, wonder where they've gone too.
[Margaret:] Ah Jack's back now we can't nick our money out of her handbag.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]. .
[Margaret:] Oh let me.
[speaker005:] . I think Tony's hogging them all to himself.
[Tony:] No, I'm not [LAUGHTER].
[Margaret:] oh, here they are, here they are.
[Tony:] Ah, right.
[Margaret:] .
[speaker005:] .
[Margaret:] Erm,... how did you find the script up here, it was alright was it?.
[speaker005:] Yeah, not too bad, yeah.
[Margaret:] No, I know some of it needs re-writing again.
[speaker005:] Yeah, the first.
[Margaret:] Yeah. So what I need, because what I tell you to do you see, is in case there's somebody who fix it up and doesn't know, it's all there, but, you know,
[Tony:] .
[Margaret:] too much, yeah, right I'll
[Tony:] Did you.
[Margaret:] Yeah, what I mean I want some time off to be able to re-write properly.
[speaker005:] . Yeah.
[Margaret:] Get a smaller strip like that.
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] .
[speaker005:] So could go back to if they wanted too.
[Margaret:] Yeah, you need too.
[speaker005:] Yeah, that.
[Margaret:] That, that makes it easier to work with.
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] .
[speaker005:] Yeah, yeah, no that's a good idea.
[Margaret:] .
[speaker005:] Yeah, yeah, ok.
[Margaret:] .
[speaker005:] I've got a few prep days coming up actually. . known by a number now.
[Margaret:] number six for a number one.
[Tony:] I don't know if somebody's trying to tell me something, but they've made me number thirteen.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Stuck to the desk so I can't move it.
[speaker005:] I've got to be careful off is use nine because sixty nine tend to go together don't they?
[Margaret:] Oh you are, are you?. Nine.
[speaker005:] .
[Margaret:] .
[speaker005:] I know.
[Margaret:] I'm going to run a marathon on Wednesday I'm worried about that, two, two days of packing, I've got funny.
[speaker005:] Yeah, yeah.
[Margaret:] I must admit, I think it had been better if they'd moved it all over the weekend and then just put it straight again on the Monday, that would be.
[speaker005:] I'm, I'm going to find a quiet room because I've got to do some. . I've got first of all start vacancy taking because eh Yeah. I haven't done that before. [noise in background] Well I was thinking there aren't.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[speaker005:] desert a sinking ship.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]..
[speaker005:] We'd miss you wouldn't we Tony?
[Tony:] Mm.
[speaker005:] We'd miss Jackie.
[Tony:] Huh, huh. Of course we will..
[speaker005:] Oh right, there isn't any more but apparently it's within walking distance, so what we were doing we was all walk over there together in the lunch time so, that's alright really lunch time but it's erm
[Margaret:] .
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[speaker005:] Mo Monte Perrie is it?..
[Tony:] I don't know that posh town at all me.. Thank you very much, I'll er send that on..
[speaker005:] Sure.. The one she actually cancelled was the one to her family because I'd already cancelled the group one.
[Tony:] Oh dear, dear..
[speaker005:] Yeah, I saw that in John Lewis, the toy department, she said you forgot to cancel Jameson's.
[Tony:] Oh no I didn't I said I... I did I was bit embarrassed about doing it because I've already changed it twice, he said well he rang me again I said oh he must of got his records wrong.
[speaker005:] Hang on what date is it for?
[Tony:] It's the twenty third, I said that's on Saturday, he said oh we have got these dates wrong now, I said er what you've cancelled is my personal booking but they ask for a work number you see.
[speaker005:] Yeah, oh dear.
[Tony:] Because holiday he ask me
[speaker005:] book.
[Tony:] yeah, he, he said oh I can just about fit you in, I said oh that's good because otherwise er I said to my friend that will be coming back to her house instead.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] No, poor thing, she she.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]. oh dear.
[Margaret:] I'm not going to be around on Monday.
[Tony:] Aren't you? Why where are you?
[Margaret:] I'm going to be a I V P.
[Tony:] Oh, that's a good excuse.
[Margaret:] Yeah, that's a good one in't it? [LAUGHTER]. Not much argument of that though.
[Tony:] No.... I don't think you'd get many volunteers to join you either to be honest.
[Margaret:] No [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]. I think moving's better than a week of I V P.... Well from my point of view it is, it might not be from yours.
[Margaret:] [LAUGHTER]. That's ok, I'm not eh, I'm not too uncomfortable with that one.
[speaker005:] Your alright because there blank, because there blank pieces of paper aren't they, they don't know anything.
[Margaret:] Mm, yeah, sometimes.
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Margaret:] Sometimes they can
[speaker005:] Bet you get a few.
[Margaret:] .
[speaker005:] ..
[Margaret:] Yeah... Haven't you gone yet?
[speaker005:] Oh I sort of went home and sort of crashed out in, it's a day of communication on on your own it's quiet tiring,.
[Margaret:] Huh, and scratch it.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Oh it's like that is it?
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Oh Sally had a packet curry each it was very appetizing.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Do you ever get, oh I never do that do you? Yeah. What's for tea -get your own.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER].
[Margaret:] I was really, really tired, I was dead tired and, but I always make the tea.
[Tony:] Yeah [LAUGHTER].
[Margaret:] Did ya?
[Tony:] really, really straight forward.
[speaker005:] Yeah, like your.
[Tony:] somebody sit down.
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Don't you? Start make the tea.
[Margaret:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And then I usually have to do the washing up as well.
[Margaret:] It's there own fought for not being, for not being a bit more assertive I s' pose, but.
[Tony:] Right. That's what you get in our house.
[speaker005:] You do that at breakfast and then you.
[Margaret:] Oh that's nice, yeah.
[Tony:] Really, have a good weekend.
[speaker005:] Yeah, same too you.
[Tony:] Thank you.
[speaker005:] .
[Tony:] Bye. Bye, bye. Think you can afford these chips then Tony? What? . Oh, don't ask me, we normally get tea together. Mm. I get Christine to. Oh,,, bye. can do you now or... yeah, eh no, yes that's right so
[Margaret:] .
[Jackie:] Alright Tony?
[Tony:] Yes thanks Den.
[Christine:] and we can take them down to the Christmas school fare.
[Jackie:] Why?
[Rene:] And Mandy and Amanda?
[Christine:] And Amanda, I'll have to.
[Tony:] .
[Christine:] Yes there.
[Rene:] In here.
[Tony:] And.
[Rene:] , until, until, until nine o'clock possibly I think is going to end.
[Christine:] I think that's too late
[Rene:] Oh.
[Christine:] nine, nine o'clock.
[Rene:] You let me stay last year.
[Christine:] Yeah, but you were at the school last year, you had things to do.
[Rene:] I'm gonna have things to do to
[speaker005:] Your only going to.
[Rene:] I'm gonna have two things as well, I'm going and buy stuff and and the pizza.
[Christine:] Well alright, I don't, I don't mind, but
[Rene:] Nine o'clock right, thank you, bye..
[Tony:] Alright Den?
[Jackie:] Yes, and you?
[Tony:] Yes, fine thanks, oh [music].
[speaker005:] .
[Jackie:] What's going on here then?
[speaker005:] .
[Jackie:] Oh..
[Tony:] Oh what is this.
[Jackie:] Yeah.... [music] [person on tv talking] Er Gary, do you mind. [music] [tv person talking] alright, alright, quite everybody, quite, right, who want's to go first? Me, I will Debbie
[Christine:] Ah thanks.
[Jackie:] Piece of cake?.
[Rene:] Mummy.
[Jackie:] Christine, I'm not coming in till nine o'clock, perhaps half past eight, half past eight, [music] I will pick you up as well.
[Tony:] What they gonna have at this fair then?
[Christine:] Oh well, it's like a stall you get erm but I haven't got a ticket, Becky said you have to pay about ten P to get in.
[Jackie:] . Oh. But I do.
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] And then they have stalls and things, but you'll need money to spend there won't you?
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Rene:] Dad
[Tony:] You'll have to take some money with you.
[Rene:] Dad
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Christine:] I like your shirt and I like your tie and I like your watch and I like your shoes. Can I have some money?
[Jackie:] I would like you to let, I would like you to let me go down to the fair.
[Christine:] No.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Christine:] Can I have some money?
[Tony:] Some money?
[Christine:] Please yeah please, please.
[Tony:] Cor I don't know.
[Christine:] Go on, you don't want me to beg do you?
[Tony:] Have you had have you had pocket money yet?
[Jackie:] What's this or something [LAUGHTER].
[Christine:] Er no.
[Tony:] Oh, we can let you have the pocket money.
[Christine:] Yeah, two pounds.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Ah, but you might off... can't remember whether we... bought anything yesterday out of your pocket money.
[Christine:] Huh?
[Tony:] Did we buy that, anything yesterday, yeah, bought some little babies didn't you?
[Christine:] Oh, well that the money that I found out my pocket and the payment granny gave me.
[Tony:] Oh right.
[Christine:] I found one pound ten P in my pocket
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Christine:] and I'm gonna give you a....
[Jackie:] Den I told mum about your dad last night with. Oh yeah. [television]. Christine you'll have to get your feet down me love I want to sit down. [television].
[Tony:] Shall I shuffle along, do you want to sit on the end?
[Jackie:] No, I don't mind where I sit as long as I got a seat, ha, ha.
[Christine:] Thank you mummy.
[Rene:] .
[Jackie:] Yeah. Oh lot's of people going then?
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] That, we'll pick you up at half past eight, not nine o'clock, that's a bit too late. The head.
[Tony:] Will you have enough to do... down there for that length of time Christine?
[Christine:] Pardon.
[Tony:] Will you have enough to do for that length of time.
[Christine:] They got erm
[Jackie:] Did you take your bottle of milk in this morning before you went?
[Christine:] it's stopped raining and it's not raining or anything.
[Jackie:] Well there weren't any, didn't have any.
[Tony:] No it's not raining.
[Jackie:] Well you have it might.
[Christine:] There be stalls outside if it's not raining, if it rains then they have them indoors.
[Jackie:] Did you take our milk in this morning?
[Tony:] I can't remember.
[Jackie:] Well there's two lots there Crates there, but no milk. There's two in, in your, in your, in your, your er a fridge, and I thought it might.
[Tony:] I normally bring that.
[Jackie:] So I picked up the thing with an empty bottle and put it in the, on the kitchen.
[Tony:] I normally bring the crate in.
[Jackie:] [tv on] Well it was marked for one and there was no milk, there was no er, there was an empty bottle in the thing, but no milk, as long as he don't charge you for... [television on]. What they telling her off for?
[Rene:] Cos they've been worried with the press in the hospital.
[Jackie:] Dad phoned me up twice from your house this morning and couldn't get no answer here, he said, I was sat here so I can here the phone go, anyway he went around again later on, tried it, and it was alright then. Don't what it was.
[Rene:] Weren't that funny? [television]
[Jackie:] Also in dad's last night said sat up watching the gold fish and he said oh I'll, I'll give you, I'll give you a tank and I'll get some fish on Sunday.
[Rene:] So what did she sa did you say?
[Jackie:] Well she didn't think he was serious, [tv on] he was, so were gonna have to phone up tonight and say look, no fish.
[Rene:] Mm.
[Tony:] Oh well not, you can't get them to fit?
[Jackie:] No I can't, I can get a size eleven.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] But I've got a very high in-step you see. [tv on].
[Tony:] Oh, so they don't fit across the front. [music]
[Jackie:] Is that you bought last night?
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] Similar to that though in it?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Well when I finally chuck out these brown ones what I wear every day.
[Rene:] Well you've got another pair of brown ones upstairs you could wear as well, you've got a new pair of brown ones upstairs
[Jackie:] I know.
[Rene:] and you've got a pair of black shoes ain't you?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Rene:] Got any others?
[Jackie:] No, so I was gonna say, I, I, go... up to the shop up Kingswood see if they had any cheap up there.
[speaker005:] No, it'll take a while
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] it'll come suddenly. What all you need know is a polishing off.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] You know, you, it's, that's what it is it's getting the flow
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and that takes the one off
[Tony:] Erm, but, he sorted something out for me, I, I said, cos of course now
[Jackie:] Carry on drying your hair can you? You've got it all.
[Tony:] Yes of course, you carry on drying your hair. [hair dryer on] erm, so what happens now, is that er... I'm coming off the er, coming off the clutches as before the corner
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and if it's a tight one, and you're going round it in first, really tight one, then what you need to be doing really is slipping the clutch...
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] if it's really tight, slipping the clutch in first... and what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to control it on the accelerator, you can't do it.
[Jackie:] You'll be able to, but you can't at the moment.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] And that
[Tony:] And it's much easier to try and control it on the clutch.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] So he s, I said to him is it alright, says am I in danger of coasting if I've got my foot on the... if, if I'm taking the corner in first and... I'm slipping and... I got the clutch, I'm using the engine but I've, not much
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and he said oh no that's not coasting.
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] It's only if you've got the clutch right in.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] But, erm,... in second my foot should be flat on the floor. He took me round that blooming Argyle Road three times.
[Jackie:] Oh, the horrible corner.
[Tony:] Yeah, cos I told that was one, I said that's, that's the one I, I over slowed on my test.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And he's told me that it's first gear, right.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] So what I was doing I was coming into it, I was coming in too fast for the gear, not too fast for the corner, but too fast for the gear.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Shoving it in, shoving it into first, bring the clutch up quickly and the car goes weer and virtually stops
[Jackie:] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[Tony:] so it wasn't the fact I was trying to lose too much speed, it was that I changed into first and didn't have
[Jackie:] Enough revs on the engine to keep it going
[Tony:] enough revs on the engine, he'd be going and when I lift, raised the clutch, whereas if I had brought the clutch up part way...
[Jackie:] The car would of slowly slowed down to be at the speed that the engine
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] was going on, yeah... yeah.
[Tony:] Well as I actually had to going round the corner, to get myself round the corner, I had to come off the brake and onto the accelerator
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] to actually get myself round the corner.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Jackie:] Yes, because you see, [hair dryer off], I don't remember, I, I think I take that one in second you see.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] But,
[Tony:] I took it, I, he said well try it and we went round it in first and I went and it went rrah [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and, and, so erm, we... er, then I came round and I did it in second, he said there you went too wide there
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] you came close to the white line.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yes, course there's always a car parked on the corner isn't it?.
[Jackie:] There's always a car parked on the corner
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] . I must admit I'd always cheat at that corner, when I'm coming up to it, I don't do it suddenly
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I'm then coming up to it, I move fractionally out into the road
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] yeah.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] then you've got more room to get round [] If you sit glued to the pavement it's a hell of a job to get round
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] whereas if your fractionally out further into the road it's easier to, got slightly different
[Tony:] I didn't have that excuse because there's a car parked before the turning
[Jackie:] oh, so you've had to get out
[Tony:] I had to be out wide and then turn in [hair dryer on]
[Jackie:] yeah.
[Tony:] and there's a car on the opposite side of the road as you turn in aha, so you go outside work and then round and ha, ha, oh...
[Jackie:] You'll get it.
[Tony:] But, that slipping the clutch is blimey useful.
[Jackie:] It is.
[Tony:] I beginning to find how useful, cos I can keep the revs going...
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] When, when I'm not sure what's happening, and people are sort of weaving about and things like that, you can use that and you can just tick over and your ready to move if you need to and you can stop quite quickly if you need to as well.
[Jackie:] Yeah, yeah, I see.
[Tony:] I mean, we've, I've, there was a [LAUGHTER] situation [] these are the roads he's taking me around now, he had me reverse round the corner which was practically blind, couldn't see what was round the corner, so I was edging round, and it was on a hill so I had to do it, every time I stopped I had to put the handbrake on so I didn't roll
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] And [] edging round the corner, checking all ways, there was a parked car, there's a van parked the opposite side of the road so anything turning in had to come over into my, the path of me
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and a, coming out of that there were some cars parked, some other cars trying to drive through, I was coming out trying to turn right, there was another car waiting to turn left, and he couldn't come in cos I was coming out.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] So I had to drive out past him, pull over to the other side of the road as much as possible to let him come through and the other cars come through, then I could [LAUGHTER] come [].
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And doing that, to have the clutch sort of half way up in first you just sort of, you just
[Jackie:] you need help,
[Tony:] sort of kick on and it's quite nice and you've got it all under control and if you get a chance to go you can and if you've got to stop it's no problem.
[Jackie:] yeah...
[Tony:] And then I got myself in a knot... cos there was a car coming up the road
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Tony:] between a lot of parked cars and there was a, I was coming down the road and all I needed to do was to actually stop where I was... cos there was enough room on his side of the road for him to come past the parked car and round me
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] I sort off, parked car there and I came up and he had room to do that
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and what I did was, there was a gap here, and I drove into the gap nose first, and I did do a hell of a lot of steering to get myself out
[Jackie:] Yeah, but [hair dryer off] that means that they still do occasionally
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I mean, that, very, very occasionally you'll do something and you'll think, erm why didn't I do that [LAUGHTER] you think that's stupid, you know,
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] and you think oh.
[Tony:] yeah. There's no need, no need to do that he said.
[Jackie:] No, occasionally I'll do something like that mind you.
[Tony:] There's plenty of room, yeah there's plenty of room for him to get passed in.
[Jackie:] Yeah... I was annoyed, up at Christine's school the other day, I was waiting for Anita, and there's driveways all along that road
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] so there's stops where you can park on those
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] driveways, it was pouring down with rain one day so I was going up to meet her and we, I'd got up there, I've learnt now, I leave home... at quarter past three if it's raining
[Tony:] mm.
[Jackie:] I go up to meet Anita, anyway you can get a parking space up there, so I've turned, drove up there... they say I haven't left as early, it was while I was learning [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] when the erm, so it, a car parked across a drive... and a car, the car behind him which was in a space was going
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] and it was in quite a big space, I could off got in behind him and then changed if I'd reversed in [music] but when I saw this other chap sat in his car and then he indicated he wanted to pull out, so I let him go
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Then I drove into his space... well then somebody else came and drove in behind me... and the car in front then was sort of, oh yeah, then somebody else came and reversed in in front of him, so the car in front it was across the drive was boxed in by this time, I didn't box him in I just
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] parked behind, but then somebody else came and parked in front of him, and he was there and sort, you could see him looking you know, he looked at the driveway and he looked, he was looking in his rear view mirror and then he turned round and looked like this, then he looked at the front, and he was thinking my god I can't get out of here, and all of a sudden a little car comes up the road stops, goes beep, beep on the horn, wanna get in the drive, this bloke went ha, ha, ha, ha [LAUGHTER] and he couldn't do anything []
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] So, so, he looked, he looked round at me, he looked at the... the other group waiting in front and he was, he flashed his lights at them so that, they realised what was going on by then, they moved forward a bit, I moved back a bit and he just had enough room he reversed right up close to me and then got out but he just had enough room to get out, and since then I won't park over the driveway up there, cos you can bet your life the one driveway along that road and you parked in front is the one that somebody wants to get into.
[Tony:] Ah. Yeah.
[Jackie:] Oh right, I'd better go actually. Mother eh be er complaining.
[Tony:] Yeah, okay.
[Jackie:] Where have you been, you said half past three.
[Tony:] Well it's twenty five to four, what does that.
[Jackie:] It'll be twenty to by the time I get round there. [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Better do this washing up hadn't I?
[Jackie:] I can't
[Tony:] I'd put
[Jackie:] believe it when he took the.
[Tony:] I put in for the eh, my driving test again.
[Jackie:] Oh good.
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] Good, good.
[Tony:] Sometime in the New Year now.
[Jackie:] What date did you put on the form, not before
[Tony:] Well he's put a month from the last... test.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] Well you won't have it around Christmas, after between Christmas and the New year.
[Jackie:] No, no.
[Tony:] It'll be erm, January time I suppose.
[Jackie:] I, I said to him I, I don't want, I know I can't have a test soon, but I don't really want another one... that soon.
[Tony:] No... but now all that your doing is polishing your drive better off
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] unfortunately that can be a very painful business [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] Depends
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] You might find it easy
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] easier.
[Jackie:] What
[Tony:] But.
[Jackie:] we doing tomorrow?
[Tony:] Tomorrow well, trainee to wash and a hoover
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] This is yet, Tesco's open as well, we've lost our
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] little driving spaces now.
[Jackie:] Yeah, okay.
[Tony:] Masterline's open, are open.
[Jackie:] Yeah, so I can't
[Tony:] You can have a drive round actually, round by the Coca Cola factory there maybe somewhere
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] you can go.
[Jackie:] I think I, what, what I'm thinking is that this sort of... are there's er any, any driving would be good
[Tony:] Yes it would.
[Jackie:] No matter what I do.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] But checking this slipping the clutch in first.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Cos, when you try, if you try and control it on the accelerator it's very, it's really jerky
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] or it's very difficult to keep it smooth
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I won't say it's really jerky, but it
[Tony:] I can do it, but I've been driving for two and a half years
[Jackie:] Yeah, yeah
[Tony:] and then it's
[Jackie:] I
[Tony:] And I can only just do it
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Tony:] It's very, I mean the foot control is very, very.
[Jackie:] And it's so much easier to put some reeves on than use the clutch [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] It is.
[Jackie:] It is.
[Tony:] But then again, you've got to feel a bit careful there because it can misconstrued totally
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] if, but I mean if your obviously doing it and you more moving the clutch up and down
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] then fair enough.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] You know?
[Jackie:] He said something and I couldn't make sense of it
[Tony:] What did he say?
[Jackie:] because he said... that... when I came into that corner I pulled in... I'd slowed too much... and then had to drive round, drive round the corner with my left foot flat on the floor... and I thought oh, shouldn't your left foot be flat on the floor when you corner and that's probably what he was getting at, as I could off been slipping the clutch.
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] But when he said it, I thought... oh I thought I had to have my left foot flat on the floor when I cornered, cos in second you have too.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] In second it's cut and dry
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You've got to have your foot flat on the floor before you corner.
[Tony:] That corner is an absolute horrible
[Jackie:] Yeah I know.
[Tony:] it does, on the corner
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Tony:] and that one you've got to drive it definitely than most corners
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] so you, you can't treat that as an ordinary left handed turn,
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] it is very
[Jackie:] But if you can't cope with it.
[Tony:] You've got to be able to cope with it.
[Jackie:] You've got to be able to cope with it.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] But you've got to treat it as a special case
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and you've got to
[Tony:] No, I, I won't tell you how I was taught to do it because I was taught to do it very differently.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] I was taught to do it in first and use the accelerator.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] You know.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Mm... so, cos he said it'll help.
[Jackie:] Help with your accelerator control.
[Tony:] With your accelerator control, yeah [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] So it's diff of course there's courses giving
[Tony:] yeah,
[Jackie:] instructors different ways of teaching you.
[Tony:] yeah. He said
[Jackie:] You, you need fine control on the clutch,
[Tony:] Mm,
[Jackie:] but you also need it on the accelerator as well
[Tony:] yeah.
[Jackie:] and he said well, okay, with your reversing and everything else your getting the front control on the clutch
[Tony:] So yeah
[Jackie:] this will help you to do it on your
[Tony:] do it on your accelerator...
[Jackie:] ... accelerator.
[Tony:] whereas
[Jackie:] So,
[Tony:] I, I finding the control on the accelerator difficult
[Jackie:] yeah
[Tony:] in first, erm, and I've got some fine control on the clutch and I can use that to deal with that particular corner.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Perhaps.
[Jackie:] Yes.
[Tony:] That's just what he's saying.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Any rate.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] See you later then.
[Tony:] Yeah. [television].
[Jackie:] I see you later than, oh where's the car keys I had them on the....
[Tony:] There we are, I was hiding them with my hand.
[Jackie:] Yeah, I know, do you want a cake or is it not too naughty? [television] Christine can you turn that volume down a bit, it's up too high. [television]. Yes you want to take it [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] do your hair.
[Tony:] Bye.
[Jackie:] Bye.
[Tony:] Where is it?
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] Oh yeah.
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] No, but it's near...
[Christine:] Where about's in where about?
[Tony:] I don't know... it's not far away.
[Christine:] I wish I could go there.
[Tony:] It's landed.
[Christine:] Has it?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Do you know, do you know where it is?...
[Tony:] Not really..., anyway I'm gonna get started, ok.
[Jackie:] Hello.
[Tony:] Hello.
[Jackie:] There's a cauliflower and a bag of potatoes left, ok.
[Tony:] Ok, I'll go and get them.
[Jackie:] It's alright, I'll go and get them.
[Tony:] Ok. [television].
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Tony:] I read the instruction again about this thing.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] It actually says record all your conversations.
[Jackie:] Oh, are you?
[Tony:] I don't know how that all worked with work, because erm, they may not want me too.
[Jackie:] Well, you can't do it if they, if they don't want you to
[Tony:] So er, that's right, I'll check
[Jackie:] You can do what you can do
[Tony:] I'll check it out with the manager.
[Jackie:] Yeah... see what he means?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I'm gonna take mum out on Monday
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] And were gonna get some more Christmas stuff on
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] and a few drinks.
[Tony:] Ah, that sounds ok.
[Jackie:] And chocolate, you know what I mean?
[Tony:] Your gonna take the stamps?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] Sorry I've been a while, I went into mum's to take her shopping in and Uncle Philip was there.
[Tony:] That's alright. Oh right.
[Jackie:] And having, seeing as we see him so rarely now
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I ah, look, don't say anything to Christine.
[Tony:] Ok.
[Jackie:] and I bought those, because you know Jane came up?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and she ate two of the vegetable ones
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] well there's two left in there and that's not enough for you and I
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] so I thought we could have two, one of those each and five fingers.
[Tony:] Yeah, ok.
[Jackie:] So....
[Tony:] You know I dug the information out again, I've had a read through of it, and it actually says, were asked just to record all your, all your conversations.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] So it's not for me to sort of sit quietly and listen to, record other people, so it's my conversation they want.
[Jackie:] Yeah. Well it's other people as well I think, but, I believe you don't have to sit down [LAUGHTER] conversation on your on do you? [] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] No, not very often.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] unless there's something seriously wrong []
[Tony:] Where, unless somebody's fallen asleep or something has bored somebody to death.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Erm, now what am I doing?.
[Jackie:] You don't want one of these do you?
[Tony:] Yes I do, that's why I put the kettle on.
[Jackie:] Right aha.
[Tony:] Erm, I better put these in the freezer for now hadn't I?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Cos were not going to do Christine's two straight away.
[Jackie:] No, hot dogs tonight so do you mind having eh
[Tony:] No not at all.
[Jackie:] right, I'll light the oven.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Give it a chance to warm up, we needn't put it in for a bit.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] Sorry I was a long time I didn't
[Tony:] That's alright.
[Jackie:] Eh started chatting told him you've got a photograph of for you.
[Tony:] Aha.
[Jackie:] He said when were moving her bedroom around, if he, if we give him a shout he'll come over and help.
[Tony:] Oh, that's helpful.
[Jackie:] Cos of taking the wardrobe of it and what have you.
[Tony:] Right, yeah.
[Jackie:] I must admit I would be grateful cos if anything goes wrong
[Tony:] You can't get it back together.
[Jackie:] can't get it back together
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It'll be shameful to ask her
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] And then were, were, sort of D I Y.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Ooh, and mum also
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] this, you know with been thinking of Chris Causeway at the erm place too go.
[Tony:] Mm, mm...
[Jackie:] M F I.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] And it's, it's the colour she wants, and not only has she got drawers, but she's got shelves down that side as well.
[Tony:] Yeah, that looks good.
[Jackie:] Look at.
[Tony:] Yeah... I know M F I isn't far from er you.
[Jackie:] No,.
[Tony:] There was a M F I along
[Jackie:] There isn't any more it was right opposite me.
[Tony:] Oh it's gone ah, right.
[Jackie:] it's not there any more.
[Tony:] Ok.
[Jackie:] But we can get her, that Christine... Christine.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Come and see, you know originally you wanted a white desk, not a black one.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Do you like the look of that with book shelves down the side there?
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Yeah, you've got three doors which is more storage space than the other one, cos the other one only had a cupboard down had no drawers, what's the matter?
[Tony:] Doesn't like it, you prefer the other one?
[Christine:] Yeah, I do.
[Jackie:] It's just that you, your better of space if you have that one and you can books down there or on them whatever you want too... and if you had that one, you'd be able to have a, erm another cupboard as well probably. Is it cheaper?
[Tony:] Well.
[Jackie:] It's only cheaper because it's in a sale, it's been reduced down from forty pounds, it was forty pounds before.
[Tony:] No, if, if she didn't like it then we...
[Jackie:] Well you can go and have a look if you like...
[Tony:] A.
[Jackie:] If you don't like it it's up to you.
[Christine:] No I'm.
[Tony:] What's up?
[Christine:] Nothing.
[Jackie:] What's up? there is, we can tell, what's the matter? Tell us.
[Christine:] I like that one and now you've put me in a difficult position cos I like that one, have that one, but I like the lockable cupboard on the other one.
[Tony:] Lockable cupboard? there isn't a lockable cupboard.
[Jackie:] Yes there is.
[Christine:] Yes there is.
[Tony:] Is there.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but the other one, remember it was a choice of two wasn't it?
[Tony:] I thought we were getting her the one with the drawers... one with a lockable cupboard is,
[Jackie:] Well, is a bigger one.
[Tony:] is a bigger one.
[Jackie:] Yeah...
[Tony:] I thought we were getting her the one, but the only thing is the other has got drawers both sides hasn't it? if I remember rightly.
[Jackie:] Just one side... I tell you what, let's take you, don't do that, or you'll break it off, let's take you and you can have a look at this one. Why do you want a lockable cupboard?... we don't well it's very, so why do you need a lockable cupboard?
[Christine:] Cos I just need one, I just like it...
[Jackie:] Well I don't think that one will fit in your bedroom in any case, having looked at the size of the wardrobes and the site of the gap that you've got.
[Tony:] No it was the other one, with the t, with the drawers that, that would er
[Jackie:] That we thought was best...
[Tony:] Smaller one...
[Jackie:] Well let's have a think, we'll, we'll have a think and then have a look, if we go up there it's a huge furniture place, they won't have just one they'll have more than one ok? How about that?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I said, they won't just have one designer desk will they?
[Tony:] No, we'll have a look around, and see what they've got.
[Jackie:] If they just furniture ok, whereas Argos do a lot of other things as well, so if we take you over there you can have a look see if there's anything you really fancy. I know it's awful making you actually have to [LAUGHTER] decide for yourself [].
[Christine:] I, I. I like the one with the lockable cupboard door, but I like that one as well.
[Jackie:] I don't think that one will fit in. Yes.
[Christine:] If they took out one of these drawers and have a lockable cupboard I'd have it no questions.
[Jackie:] Yeah, well let's go and have a look, ok.
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Don't make up your mind one way or the other, cos were have to take our tape measure.
[Christine:] that bit of icing.
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] What's that?
[Christine:] Go on.
[Tony:] She's after h, our cake.
[Jackie:] Have a gingerbread man.
[Christine:] I want some icing.
[Jackie:] There's icing on the gingerbread man, your not.
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] After our cake is she?
[Jackie:] She's asked for the icing of off our cake not our cake and she's not having it. Do you want a gingerbread man with your cup of tea?
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] Oh, told you, got to eat all her dinner, oh, wow, gee
[Tony:] Well, she had a chocolate biscuit, she had one of those snack things and an orange chocolate biscuit
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] and I said well if you have that now, you better eat your dinner.
[Jackie:] Ah.
[Tony:] And that was well erm,ha about an hour ago now.
[Jackie:] I see, torturing that child again aren't you? [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] That's right, I've been exceedingly cruel to her.
[Jackie:] Childline, Childline... Den got us a Hovis loaf it looks than the other one.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Now.
[Tony:] Mm... [television]
[Jackie:] to have a gingerbread man if you want it otherwise let daddy... [television] Oh what's this Bedknobs and Broomsticks?
[Tony:] Yeah, on tape... [television] You know this [television] ah, it's the, the actual letter says we would like you to do, what we would like you to do is to record all your conversations with other people except telephone conversations over a, over a one week period, erm, but that's, that's not, doesn't quite, just need to record as much as I can.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Which is fair enough, that's what I'll do [television].
[Jackie:] I just wondered why I heard a noise, the gerbils running.
[Tony:] Oh, yeah. That's right. [television] It doesn't say anything about background noise or anything.
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] So, television's on, radio's on or something.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Yeah. [television]. [LAUGHTER] I love that cat. Mm, wow.
[Jackie:] They must off worked on that cat for hours to get into the.
[Tony:] Got Jaws the Revenge on at quarter too eight.
[Jackie:] Mm, mm [tv on].
[Tony:] There's a choice between that and the Royal Variety Performance, no choice at all is there? [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] At all is there. [LAUGHTER]. [tv on]. It didn't get a very good in the book.
[Tony:] Didn't it?
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] What, the erm the film or the
[Jackie:] Tape.
[Tony:] Mm...
[Jackie:] for children.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] might be different.
[Tony:] That's right, so we'll have a look at it shall we?
[Jackie:] Mm... That was second tape is it that one?
[Tony:] Yeah, second tape.... It actually says that it, to only tell people if they ask what your doing. Cos if people know there being recorded they tend to
[Jackie:] I must admit I wondered.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Because, it gets ridiculous and everyone gets very into what there saying.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know, and they long conversation with each other were they get used to it.
[Tony:] Mm, yeah...
[Jackie:] Oh it says in here explain what you are doing when you are recording the conversation you will need to explain to the other people involved what you are doing and why.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] Ah, it maybe that after the conversation has finished unless they ask you directly what you are doing.
[Tony:] That's what I, that's what I said, yeah... and they say that if your just walking around, unless your actually on your own...
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Mm, pardon me, it's just, it, it pays just to run it, just to keep it going continuously...
[Jackie:] I must admit you'll get through the tapes a lot quicker that way won't you?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I mean, I mean, one word were usually talking same.
[Tony:] Yeah. Oh, Big is on. [tv on]
[Jackie:] Big.
[Tony:] Big.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Yeah on Wednesday... [reading] Tom Hanks and Elizabeth Perkins, a twelve year []
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Yeah. [reading] A twelve year old makes a wish at a fair ground fortune telling booth that he could be big, and the next morning his astonished to find that he's fully grown []
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Mm. [reading] In the adult world he finds success at work and discusses romance, but soon learns that being a grown up is not all that's it cracked up to be []. It's a two hour film on Wednesday night.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Yeah, eight o'clock.
[Jackie:] Oh good.
[Christine:] It's got Tom Hanks isn't it?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] and he changed places
[Tony:] That's right.
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Christine:] but they. the twelve year old [television]
[Tony:] Ah, you got the Drowning Pool on again.
[Jackie:] Sorry the Drowning
[Tony:] The Drowning Pool, that's Paul Newman and, and Janet erm, Joanne Woodward, that's the one where you get trapped in this place and it's filling with water.
[Jackie:] I don't remember every seeing it.
[Tony:] They get trapped in a place and there, it's filling with water and they, they've gotta get them, they gotta, they gonna drown because it's filling with water and they gotta get out, get out before the room fills with water completely.
[Jackie:] I don't remember seeing that.
[Tony:] Oh, it's a very good film... record it. [television on] It's on Friday night. I haven't done the dusting.
[Jackie:] Oh, terrible.
[Tony:] But, huh.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] But, erm, I have done the hoovering.
[Christine:] Had a calculator like that mum
[Tony:] Ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh dear...
[Jackie:] Oh, that's wicked...
[Tony:] Oh dear, I think I'm, I think I getting a bit boring.
[Jackie:] Boring, why?
[Tony:] Mm, that's a bit [LAUGHTER], a bit up in it? [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] What's he mean?
[Jackie:] Don't know why you laugh at it then, [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Yeah
[Christine:] What's he mean mummy...
[Tony:] Oh...
[Christine:] Did you see out the dressed up in, as a strawberry.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Christine:] He said he, a big strawberry.
[Tony:] Oh, they have lots of, yeah... ah.
[Jackie:] Oh oh, got his nose tucked under his wing.
[Tony:] Ah.
[Jackie:] And it was the family with the amazing flame dog [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... oh dear... [clock strikes]... [clock chime]...
[Jackie:] He's got your jumper on.
[Tony:] Oh god.
[Christine:] Who has?
[Tony:] I'll never wear it again now.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Christine:] Who has? Who has?
[Jackie:] Tony Blackburn is wearing daddy's jumper, you see when he opens the.
[Christine:] What red one?
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] No, there's grey one with the leather bits under the front. [LAUGHTER] Go on, smile.
[Christine:] I'm, hope not, I put that back, one,... now give me a certain country where. Just say any.
[Jackie:] Er four. You've got half of them over there, cos that's a.
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] There's some under there, you haven't got them all in there.
[Christine:] I know.
[Jackie:] Well that's cheating.
[Christine:] put them there.
[Tony:] What.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] In't that rotten, there got a thing, there got people voting, ringing in and voting to see whether they want Willy Thorn or John Virgo to go in the gunge tank.
[Christine:] Anyway.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] John Virgo's winning at the moment, if winning's the right word.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] I'm er... I'm gonna erm, I might see if I can record some conversation on a bus, but I don't know. Jack.
[Jackie:] Sorry.
[Tony:] If I get Jack and somebody on the bus I might pop my hand inside my brief case and press the recorder... where's that cameraman hid then? oh it's built into the dashboard, yeah...
[Jackie:] she's...
[Tony:] She's trying to be very nice and she's really fuming... Have you er finished with your tea? I get you another...
[Jackie:] Never mind when you come to [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Yeah, look forward to that.... I'm not erm, I'm not going to be in a situation to record all my chat anyway, I don't think, because of the erm, the amount of it, when I'm running a course I do an awful lot of chatting during the day.
[Jackie:] Yeah, well I mean even if you recorded as much as you can, if, you've got twenty tapes
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] so you've got plenty of er
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I mean, when if you.
[Tony:] And also I don't, I don't want it to be a barrier either.
[Jackie:] No, well the thing is you, to be honest you forget about it don't you?
[Tony:] You do, yeah.
[Jackie:] Just explain and see what people say.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] If anybody asks us, you can tell them.
[Tony:] Yeah. I'll have a quick, I have a word with Pauline on Monday see what she says.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And the thing is do, information about then if it procedures for fraud, that's the problem.
[Christine:] That was brilliant..
[Jackie:] We can record us going to work and coming home and on weekends.
[Tony:] And erm conversations erm at
[Jackie:] At lunch time.
[Tony:] lunch time tea break time, things like that.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] But, you can have ask Pauline see what she says, but
[Tony:] Mm...
[Jackie:] But, erm, actually it would be probably be nice for you if you could record it in your training session because you can take in your pocket and sometimes you, you can get a better idea of how it's
[Tony:] Mm, yeah.
[Jackie:] How you sound and how it goes if you can
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] do you know what I mean?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] If light bulb.
[Tony:] The light bulbs gone.
[Jackie:] that one went the other night...
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Oh dear, isn't that rotten?
[Jackie:] He's got little shorts on.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Do you want to play a game with me?
[Jackie:] Well, well, what, what we've got to go and put the dinner in my darling.
[Tony:] I gotta get your dinner.
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] Oh you poor thing..
[Christine:] . You can hear it all of us.
[Tony:] What you, what you want to play patience?
[Christine:] No.
[Tony:] Pairs?
[Christine:] No, shuffle them.
[Tony:] Did you?... Er, ok, you tell me again.
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] Well I'm sorry Christine I've got to go and get dinner.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Grandma's be around here in about an hour.
[Tony:] The only reason I can er play is that, your dinner won't take very long to get.
[Jackie:] you always, it's difficult when were sat down doing nothing you don't ask.
[Tony:] Can you change your game, so you can play it with thr with two?
[Christine:] No, what you do
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Christine:] is erm, well you do it, you've got one Joker in pack right, and you mix them up and you deal them out and you look at your cards, if you've got a Joker
[Tony:] Mm. Yeah. Yeah
[Christine:] then, then you, everyone's got to mix up there cards again
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] You've got to put them in the order so you can see him, but the other person can't
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] and you've got to pick someone to choose out your card, and they don't know if you've got the Joker or not
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Christine:] and they've got to pick one of the cards and they might get the Joker.
[Tony:] Right, I see.
[Christine:] But, the trouble is you can tell who's got the Joker when there's two, because if you haven't, you know the other person has.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] But if you've got more than one person then it's harder.
[Tony:] Mm, we could play pairs if you like.
[Christine:] Snap?
[Tony:] Yeah, can play snap.
[Christine:] I put the same cards oh and we can play.
[Tony:] Well, I won't, I'll play one game with you and then I'll go and get your tea... alright? So.
[Jackie:] I got some more rolls, so I'll put them in er big bag straight away, yeah.
[Tony:] Ok.
[Jackie:] With got a few, with got a few left?...
[Tony:] Better take the foil tray off the pipe.
[Jackie:] I had to put one in the microwave
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].. Yeah doesn't do it [sneeze] [sneeze] oh... I'll be bother if I get a cold next week.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah.
[Tony:] .
[Jackie:] Even if Henry's there, well he can't come in today, panic.
[Tony:] Panic, yeah. As were already stretched to the limit with er
[Jackie:] And moved in on Monday.
[Tony:] That's right, there moving on Monday.
[Jackie:] Oh you won't be able to come in any day with me next week will you?
[Tony:] Not in.
[Jackie:] Won't be able to come in with me any day I thought that was.
[Tony:] No you didn't, it's preferably alright... oh, right...
[Christine:] Dad.
[Tony:] Mm, mm... Oh... [blowing nose].
[Jackie:] We know.
[Tony:] Yeah I know.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Oh, I'll empty that in a minute... I must admit I don't fancy trying to do it, it's going to be really cold and horrible.
[Jackie:] Well, with got to.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Once you got actually watching.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's not too bad is it?
[Tony:] Got to do as well still.
[Jackie:] Oh one of the women in work said we had eh a bit of bad news, she's really, really nice, I get on ever so well with her.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] And she works for erm and
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Her husband erm, had a stroke
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] or something... forty five.
[Tony:] Oh, it's young isn't it?
[Jackie:] Yeah. [beeping] And she is so liked.
[Tony:] Mm...
[Jackie:] But we, I thought I hadn't seen her around you know, because we, because of what I do
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] with the National Health, then I have a lot, more contact with her than with most other groups.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] There always referring stuff to us, were always referring stuff to them, do you know what I mean?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You better not of scratched that door.
[Tony:] I only just let him in.
[Jackie:] Ben... It's raining.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] Come on Ben, oh come here, come here, come on,. No you're not going to go... But she's a really nice person, I ruined her Christmas.
[Tony:] How bad was it? Is he
[Jackie:] Well we don't know any details yet, I think he's, he's off work.
[Tony:] Yeah. When did he have it did she say?
[Jackie:] Last week, some time.
[Tony:] So he's obviously been incapacitated in some way.
[Jackie:] Well he's in hospital.
[Tony:] Oh, alright, if he's in hospital then it must be pretty...
[Jackie:] Forty five it's no age is it?
[Tony:] No...
[Jackie:] Put a bit of kitchen roll on the table.
[Tony:] Yeah ok, so it won't slip round... Christine.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Your tea's ready.
[Christine:] Alright...
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] They look nicer don't they, there thicker.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Might as well go in for a bit because.
[Tony:] Yeah. Christine your tea.
[Jackie:] Go and get your tea.
[Christine:] Alright, alright.
[Tony:] There you are.
[Christine:] Ooh, crinkles, oh you got them, you got the crinkled ones.
[Jackie:] Yes [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Oh there pretty kilts on there. I was just thinking I wonder how my erm, what a do about choir practice this week.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Take it with you...
[Tony:] I'm not recording ca choir practice.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER], you won't want to hear you blow a thing.
[Tony:] That's not conversations is it?
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] I suppose I a better mention it too Pauline, only I was thinking if I did just conversations, could also do the domestics.
[Jackie:] appointment.
[Tony:] And then not record anything to do with the procedures, although there are some things that will probably be ok to record.
[Jackie:] Yeah, that's it, I mean, you, you've got to job,.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Question, of whether I ask Pauline, or I whether I just do it.
[Jackie:] Yeah I mean she... probably would be wise to mentioned it to her.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Cos if she saw you with it on
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] doing, running her lecturers
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] she might get [clears throat] what she's doing you know.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] So it would probably be better to mention it to her, but say you'll be discreet, not record anything that.
[Tony:] Yeah. I mean there are certain things like, the general conditioners to benefit, which erm, are alright, but there are other things that I know about and that I will pass on to people to look out for that I wouldn't want [LAUGHTER] eh, that you wouldn't want eh, erm, outsiders to know.
[Jackie:] dinner a be ready.
[Tony:] Oh, right.
[Jackie:] Was that nice Christine?
[Christine:] Mm...
[Jackie:] I'm wasting my life exercising tonight as well
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Even if I've got to do them when mum and dad gone home.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] open the oven door and jump back.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] yeah.
[Jackie:] back to front is it?
[Tony:] Do you want a roll?
[Jackie:] No I don't think, [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Ok.
[Jackie:] Not now, later, later.
[Tony:] Alright.
[Jackie:] That's so funny, that chap's got a, he has got erm, an Indian accent with a Welsh accent on top, it's really.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER], yeah...
[Jackie:] Interesting... Pauline at work, she's ever so hurt, couldn't get over it, she came up to me the other day she said, hello, how long has it been [LAUGHTER] we haven't seen one another for two months [].
[Tony:] Oh, oh yes, cos she, wasn't she
[Jackie:] She was in it in India.
[Tony:] India.
[Jackie:] For
[Tony:] That's right.
[Jackie:] three weeks, four weeks.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Er, no I was on holiday for a week
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] Then while I was away... she went on holiday straight after.
[Tony:] Yeah...
[Jackie:] No it was our summer holiday, I went off for two weeks, when I came back Paula was off for a month.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] Then, since then, with me being sick that time and what have you, she was in Cornwall the week her, the couple of weeks I was in
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] visiting, so... just haven't seen one another at all it was really annoying.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]. [clears throat] yeah [clears throat].
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I can't imagine her getting. She's got here tremendously fast cos she won't be staying that long.
[Tony:] No, good ones move on so fast don't they?
[Jackie:] Yeah. I'm finished.
[Tony:] That's why we tend to stay where we are [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Oh, no she could go anytime, she says what, what will happen there'll... inspectors are put on a register
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and I mean there aren't many, in our place with got about ooh, twenty or thirty in
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] but there's only... five principal inspectors, and she's got principal inspector grade
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] now
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] so, when she moves that'll be it we just won't see her any more.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Funny, ha, ha, ha.
[Tony:] Can I have the salt please Christine? [clears throat]
[Jackie:] There's two more inspector's I must admit. He keeps there opinion about
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Very moody
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] so if his going his way that's fine
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] if not, look out. So...
[Tony:] That look's quite simple, aha, that's not [LAUGHTER]...
[Christine:] Mummy.
[Tony:] Oh, Brian took me round that corner, right, slowed down too much
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] he took me round that corner for three times today.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Ev, and, he'd say oh turn left here and all that and then you'll be going along and I'd think oh
[Jackie:] You'd be coming at it again
[Tony:] I'm coming up to it again, he says turn left up ahead, I think, [LAUGHTER] and here we go [].
[Jackie:] Oh dear
[Christine:] That bit was rude,.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER], he.
[Jackie:] Mm, mm.
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] You know that balloon he gave, it landed in erm, pass field.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] Show gran to see where it was.
[Christine:] Ah,.
[Tony:] I bet there was loads of people down there.
[Jackie:] Yes, more coming all the time.
[Tony:] Mm. He must dread that.
[Jackie:] Perhaps I missed it, it had about twelve people in it.
[Tony:] Twelve people.
[Jackie:] It's a huge balloon, absolutely huge.
[Tony:] I didn't think they took that many...
[Christine:] They said what's that, what's that, it's margarine every single bit right, and was wearing the balloon it was in his eyes.
[Tony:] Aha, ha.
[Jackie:] Tony.
[Tony:] Yeah... what, what's he doing?...
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] Oh ha. Chasing dots alike.
[Jackie:] . There going loopy.
[Tony:] I think this recorder must be, it adjust the level... automatically.
[Jackie:] Does it?
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Can we watch a film tonight mum?
[Tony:] If I cough or something it goes quite for a little while then comes back again.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Tony:] Erm, there's Jaws on Christine.
[Christine:] Oh.
[Tony:] Jaws the Revenge.
[Christine:] Oh.
[Jackie:] Is it?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] We see what it's like, and if it's... not very good we'll watch something else.
[Christine:] I...
[Tony:] Oh this is going to be interesting...
[Jackie:] Oh got to.
[Tony:] I nearly got involved in that at one time, I's about
[Jackie:] You.
[Tony:] yeah, I's about ten like that, when I was about eleven...
[Christine:] Mum I thought
[Tony:] There's a metallist girl who was interested in it, she wanted me to be her partner... mm, went along once or twice but
[Christine:] I've got a
[Tony:] two left feet.
[Jackie:] Weren't impressed.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] No.
[Christine:] I've got a hour.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Becky said oh no, no, oh I thought.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] ..
[Tony:] That's an audition then. That's a
[Christine:] She said at the.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Christine:] One girl there, she's in our group she had brilliant, really good singing voice.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Brilliant.
[Jackie:] You have a go your self?
[Christine:] Yeah. So is it you say no, have to she showed up.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] Wow, what you doing then? What is it?
[Christine:] It's a play. Is it?
[Jackie:] Aha, yeah.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Well she was a dancer, but eh.
[Tony:] Well, she's a dancer, singer all sorts... acting...
[Christine:] You have to work hasn't she?
[Tony:] Raise me foreheads be careful there.
[Jackie:] Yeah, strong. Ya, straight on the floor.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] She had her foot up touching his ears, he had his ear like that.
[Tony:] I must admit I was never very good at dancing but, I was good at catching.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] and they dropped you yes [].
[Tony:] Never dropped anyone.
[Jackie:] But, just that you couldn't keep up with them [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Step on there feet, yeah.
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Christine:] . lift me up, lift me up and I went back [LAUGHTER] and I went back and I, I [LAUGHTER] fell [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Was she.
[Christine:] I know but she still lives there, drop me then, she dropped me.
[Jackie:] Oh save him a bit of it.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] Ah I've forgotten his chip, his looking all
[Tony:] Cos you've eat it all.
[Jackie:] Yes, yes.
[Tony:] You've been cruel.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] Your licking your lips and you haven't got a chip have you?
[Christine:] Go on dad...
[Jackie:] Got one, say thank you..
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] Aha, cup of tea? Ok.
[Jackie:] Oh aren't they lovely?
[Tony:] What the... jugs?
[Jackie:] The jugs yeah.
[Tony:] Didn't see them properly.
[Jackie:] They were like bunches of oranges and lemons
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] if you know what I mean
[Tony:] Yeah I know.
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] In ceramic?
[Jackie:] Yeah...
[Tony:] A what?
[Christine:] A Pocket T V.
[Tony:] Pocket T V.
[Christine:] . A radio, the the cuddly toy er
[Tony:] Good grief she's got a good memory.
[Christine:] The coffee maker, the... the er...
[Jackie:] God, she, she was brilliant.
[Tony:] She got an awful lot of things didn't she? There's a really good game we did at, at Rammore for remembering people's names.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And they, it was a bit frightening because we were in a group of seventeen and see what I mean when, I mean how it starts is like if were starting with me, I have to say I'm Tony, right, and then you would say I'm Jackie and this is Tony and then Christine would say I'm Christine this is Jackie, this is Tony, I was at the end of a group of seventeen [LAUGHTER] and I had heard it sort of, you hear it, it builds up round the room
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] We've had a game like that.
[Tony:] So that you can in the end, when I came to do it, although it was seventeen people I didn't find it too difficult.
[Jackie:] No, cos you just remember the order that you went round the room in and.
[Tony:] That's right, well no, these were people and, some of the people I knew, some of the people I hadn't met before.
[Jackie:] Ah.
[Christine:] Daddy.
[Tony:] And so I had to sort of go round the room and say I'm Tony and this is, and go all round, and I got round the room.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] So you did quite well.
[Tony:] But I was surprised that I got round the room, cos I'm awful at remembering names... I think I'm gonna have to try and
[Christine:] Dad do we have to we have to come up with a name.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] With a first name, so I said her and Chris
[Tony:] Oh yeah
[Christine:] The man said.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] ...
[Tony:] Erm, but, we had a, that was, that was quite good, but I must, there's a trick to remembering names, and that is that you use it all the time, so any time, if you want to remember somebodys name, every time you see them you say hello and there name
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and that sort of imprints it on you.
[Jackie:] Yes.
[Tony:] Cos I've noticed there is an awful lot of people do that to me.
[Jackie:] Yeah. I'm terrible for people's names
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I'm absolutely hopeless. Places, I can tell you I know somewhere looking at them and I think where do I know you from
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Names ooh.
[Tony:] Yeah. And that, that can be difficult in training because you see so many people and they spend the week looking at you and they've got one name to remember, but you've got eight or twelve names to remember
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and you see them a three weeks later and they say hello Tony and you think hello, who the hell are you? [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] My watch is breaking up.
[Tony:] Breaking up.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] What the strap?
[Jackie:] No, the case.
[Tony:] [sneeze], oh, the case.
[Jackie:] , fit this in already, so, you know the other side.
[Christine:] [singing].
[Jackie:] Where the strap goes into the case. The other side, the
[Tony:] Oh oh I see.
[Jackie:] See the bit lifting?
[Tony:] Yeah, I can. Missing a little bit missing bit further along as well.
[Christine:] Daddy I thought. What you doing.
[Tony:] Erm, I think if they killed a shark
[Jackie:] Well they yeah, they, they killed Jaws about [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Yeah, but there's an awful lot of sharks about.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but they reckon that this is the same shark, he's killed twice now.
[Tony:] Well it was killed in Jaws.
[Jackie:] It was killed in the second one as well.
[Christine:] But there's lots of great white.
[Tony:] Cos this is the fourth film.
[Jackie:] Yeah, I know, it was killed in the one where it got trapped in the.
[Tony:] That's right.
[Jackie:] And it was killed in the first one, that was two.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] But, there's thousands and thousands of great.
[Jackie:] Oh, I don't know how people can eat fish like that.
[Tony:] No, I can't, it'll, if you don't take the head of it I can't eat it, I couldn't even, I have prawn cocktail... and you have a prawn, they put, they put a prawn on top whole, I couldn't eat that, I could have peeled it, I looked at it and I thought about it, no, I can eat them when there done
[Jackie:] Yeah but not.
[Tony:] but not when there not done [sniff]
[Christine:] Oh remember when I was squeezing that.
[Jackie:] I haven't heard a word of this so far.
[Tony:] Sorry.
[Jackie:] Not a single word. It looks really weird seeing Christmas and it's hot and they can go swimming and.
[Tony:] Yeah. That's right.
[Jackie:] I really don't think I'd like that Christmas and it's cold toesie's
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Yeah, pretty odd thing.
[Tony:] That's right.
[Christine:] I like.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] Mm. Is that a mechanical one?
[Jackie:] Yeah. .
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] When they were doing the first picture they had, I think it was.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] And it.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Do you know mummy
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Christine:] do you know when the come up on the side, that from.
[Jackie:] And your be Guy.
[speaker005:] Did she go along with a friend?
[Jackie:] horses.
[Tony:] What?
[Jackie:] It was a question of and it's a little
[Rene:] Tell her about.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Ah..
[Tony:] You sneezing Rene?
[Rene:] .
[Tony:] Sneezing?
[Rene:] Yeah...
[Tony:] I've been doing that today as well. Good if I get a cold cos I got erm training course next week. Five days of non-stop talking.
[Jackie:] You'll have to to get one over.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] I tried to, er, I told... I got criticised for slowing down too much, going into a corner on my dr driving test, I told Brown which corner it was, he took me round there three or four times to s today on my lesson, yeah, we'll keep doing it till you get it right [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] The only way Tony.
[Tony:] That's right.
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] [hiccup] Oh pardon me.
[Jackie:] You were looking a bit sorry for yourself when we came back cos he buys flowers and he gives, so he'll buy them the day before, I got the next day, there their making in all that...
[Tony:] Stop what?...
[Christine:] Stop the bus.
[Rene:] Do you have a recording on there?
[Jackie:] It.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Cos, is it?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Oh look, aha, oh my god...
[Tony:] That big [LAUGHTER].
[Christine:] Now that is fake, who world.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[speaker005:] got a large one...
[Jackie:] .
[speaker005:] .
[Jackie:] Come on Ben.
[Tony:] If I lo, if I sit out there looks, looking sorry for myself then somebody will... take me.
[Jackie:] When was, what's the matter with you?.
[Tony:] Oh is he related then to er
[Jackie:] Beryl.
[Tony:] That chap with the curly hair.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Well that's his brother. He's the brother.
[Tony:] Oh right.
[Jackie:] the one who got killed, he's the police chief's son. He's the brother.
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] And she's the police chief's wife.
[Tony:] Ok.
[Jackie:] And her mother.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] So she's now lost her husband and one son and he's the other son.
[Tony:] Yeah, got it, ok...
[Jackie:] to work the way he the other ones. .
[Tony:] Th this shark has got nine lives I think.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Could be it's brother.
[Jackie:] Christine, you've got a quarter of an hour and then you go out on the table, cos that dinner is going anywhere...
[Christine:] I am going to...
[Jackie:] I think if Michael Caine's played a part of a toy- boy. Well he's hardly a toy-boy.
[Tony:] Erm, [LAUGHTER], no I don't think he's a toy-boy.
[Jackie:] About the same age ha, ha. Well I didn't know that, I only asked. No, a toy-boy is where you've got an old lady with a fif there's about a twenty year old bloke. Boy, yeah.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Rene:] A toy-boy is
[Jackie:] . Granddad is that a toy-boy or a [LAUGHTER]. Jack Give me five. Michael.
[Tony:] Really.
[Jackie:] Yeah, O R E somebody else is sure they knew
[Tony:] , oh great.
[Rene:] Do you say.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Oh. When were watching television and nobody's talking much there's not much point is that?
[Jackie:] No point no, we could take Ben out, but there won't be much point is there?
[Tony:] No, unless somebody comes with me.
[Jackie:] All you'll say is sit, stay, there's a good boy [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Yeah, you've got to do it with the right inflect as well.
[Jackie:] Yes.
[Tony:] There's a good boy [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] There's a slightly response too.
[Jackie:] Yeah it is Billy told me there would, that's what makes a. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] . [LAUGHTER]... What... other day... those Christmas cards, there a little bit disappointing you know.
[Tony:] Are they?
[Jackie:] There nice designs, but there not very big but some of them are really tiny.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] But they are nice.
[Tony:] Well.
[Jackie:] There handy work.
[Tony:] Yes.
[Jackie:] The little ones.
[Tony:] That's just what I was gonna say.
[Jackie:] There pretty cards.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] But some of them are really small.
[Tony:] Mm. [sigh]. I don't know half the people in area office to send them cards. They say in that thing that you don't want half conversations.
[Jackie:] Half conversations?
[Tony:] Yeah, if you think you might come to the end of a conversation before you reach the end of the tape, they've rather you put a new tape in.
[Jackie:] . Mm, ok, yeah, thank you dad.
[Tony:] I suppose
[Jackie:] You can have it back actually. No I don't. It was only erm to show Tony that, there.
[Tony:] sorry, put it in the erm... put it in the cage, first thing I built.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Put in he's bedding.
[Jackie:] Yeah I ask mum and dad to stay with us a few more, two thirds of a carrier bag full.
[Tony:] Mm...
[Jackie:] Got to keep tomorrow of er what time, I get you in that carrier.
[Tony:] Yeah...
[Jackie:] You know we've decided to leave the car possibly.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know what happen now, it's raining [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Ah.
[Jackie:] It does it every time.
[Tony:] Never mind, see what the weather's like tomorrow then won't we?
[Jackie:] It's so annoying to end up, never at a pub.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] Cos you clean a little bit, you clean the outside and it's raining, cos you can't take the hoover out there and
[Tony:] Clean the inside.
[Jackie:] Clean the inside.
[Tony:] And then by the time you get round in cleaning the inside, the outsides dirty.
[Jackie:] The outsides dirty [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Yeah...
[Jackie:] So, er, she's getting ever so grubby looking now, I reckon very soon we'll gonna have to talk about getting some more er covers.
[Tony:] Mm, mm. [cough]...
[Jackie:] Er, Yuk.
[Tony:] Sorry...
[Jackie:] When do you think we'll be able to.
[Tony:] [sniff] erm
[Jackie:] Before February?...
[Tony:] That's when we planned to weren't it?
[Jackie:] Only eh, I'd like to know over the Christmas period if any little habits surface.
[Tony:] Yeah, yeah, ok, Kim can do it this month.
[Jackie:] came in late.
[Tony:] Yeah, we can do it this month.
[Jackie:] Mm, for a brand new Rolls Royce, it's not going very well is it?...
[Tony:] Oh dear...
[Jackie:] Read this little name fifty fifty engine it just doesn't get you along very good, does it?
[Tony:] Yeah. Certainly had a nine fifty Rolls Royce would get along very well.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]... Tony would you do the table?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Wipe the work top off and then that.
[Tony:] Yeah... Oh good.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]. Reckon they ought to replace super glue with baked beans you know.
[Tony:] Yeah, or cornflakes.
[Jackie:] Yeah, milk and cornflakes. cornflakes.
[Tony:] Deadly combination.
[Jackie:] Never on the worktop [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Just making sure...
[Jackie:] No, I think it needs cutting, a lot more, going browner and more miserable.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] I don't know though it's difficult to tell, I mean that one that's lost a leaf but the rest of it looks... alright.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] That one...
[Tony:] Oops, sorry...
[Jackie:] Those light bulbs that seemed to go like mad are erm Tesco's own brand.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I just replaced one in the lamp in there and it was a Phillips one and I haven't bought any of those for ages, do you know what I mean
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] So I think they've lasted alright. It was
[Tony:] The Tesco ones don't seem to last very long.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] So I think I'll get them up at Asda, get the Phillips one's I think.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] I do wonder whether they keep or whether [LAUGHTER], do you know?
[Tony:] No. It's more likely to be the light bulb.
[Jackie:] I know, just that when your house needs a re-wiring got you worry... I wished they never... got rid off her new Christmas one, just think all the money we've spent on
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] doing up this house so far.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Of borrowing money,, we've got kitchen done, bathroom, the doors and new windows, to re-wire everything
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] all on home improvements.
[Tony:] They paid ninety per cent didn't they?
[Jackie:] Yeah. Of course what happens, just before we buy our house it stops [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] , yeah they take ninety per cent of the. I mean you could have a whole new roof put on your house and it would cost about six thousand, seven thousand pounds and
[Tony:] You pay
[Jackie:] you pay six hundred.
[Tony:] yeah.
[Jackie:] I tell you what we'd have the best house round here if a... I can't get over that lady over the road though and her husband.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] They, they painted there house a year ago and they've done it again this year, you can't tell where it's stopped and where it's done, do you know what I mean.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It just didn't need doing.
[Tony:] Whereas our house badly needs painting doesn't it?
[Jackie:] The, you know,, yeah.
[Tony:] Oh, like everything else.
[Jackie:] . throwing the money away.
[Tony:] Mm, shall I go out with Fido now?
[Jackie:] Yeah. Take Fido for a walk. Are you gonna take Fido for a walk? go for a walk. Have you got a photograph like.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] That's right, that's one Frankfurt and one, bet you.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You had the last year.
[Tony:] That's right, yeah... Ah.
[Rene:] Pity they didn't postcard ones weren't it, so they gave it.
[Jackie:] Well I can't understand it, it's at the other.
[Rene:] Mm, this time they, you've got four ones, and two medium sized ones, they sort off, almost as if there doing you out of a big size photograph.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Rene:] Granddad got to give you some as well aren't he?
[Jackie:] What's that?
[Rene:] Were having a week.
[Jackie:] Ah.
[Rene:] Oh...
[Jackie:] And what's your next...
[Rene:] what was the.
[Christine:] Erm, maximum prize.
[Rene:] Yeah, well what's it, I mean what's the.
[Christine:] One, he said.
[Rene:] Well.
[Christine:] No, there's something else...
[Jackie:] You got twenty... There you've got to.
[Tony:] Ok... that's fifty nine each...
[Christine:] Dad.
[Tony:] No, one eighteen.
[Christine:] Can I have seventy five erm seventy five P for my money.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Is that being recording?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] ok, come on nan pay up.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Rene:] ..
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] I have to go upstairs and get it.
[Christine:] Ok, sorry dad, but I need it in.
[Tony:] Yeah ok. Oh, no I haven't, got it here. Ah... Ah, [sigh] right, I haven't got the change yet at the moment, I'll have to...
[Rene:] You got to take it
[Christine:] I've got the change, you pay me back, I might have, alright.
[Tony:] I mean, I've only got a five pound note. Have you got enough change to give her one pound fifty Jack?
[Jackie:] I've got a pound coin, but I don't think I've got any, I'll have a look... ooh let's have a look, I think I've only got a pound coin.
[Rene:] I've got a Jack.
[Christine:] I've only got ten.
[Jackie:] Oh, that would be a help. Have a look... Right so if I give you... one fifty, there you are.
[Christine:] Seventy five P each.
[Rene:] That's one fifty, that's right.
[Tony:] You have that towards the, though I've got to give you seventy, seventy five so shall I give it to you when I've got the whole lot?
[Jackie:] I I'm not worried.
[Tony:] Ok.
[Christine:] Where you out on the front,.
[Tony:] Oh you can write, read a form can't you?
[Christine:] Oh no, my writing's.
[Jackie:] Your writing's good.
[Christine:] No it isn't.
[Tony:] [blowing nose]...
[Christine:] Dad
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Christine:] Can I borrow your.
[Tony:] Yeah... Gets this.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Tony:] I'll cut some rolls, shall I?
[Jackie:] Ok
[Tony:] Oh yeah, shall I go and find out?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Ok.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] What have we got?
[Jackie:] Cheese or there's a little, there's a little it of beef.
[Tony:] Cheese or beef rolls?
[Jackie:] Cheese please.
[Tony:] Rene?
[Rene:] Nothing for me yet Tony.
[Tony:] No rolls at all?
[Rene:] No thanks.
[Tony:] Ok... I wonder if, shall I ask Christine?
[Jackie:] Yeah, she might as well.
[Tony:] Do you want some rolls Christine?
[Christine:] Erm... two?
[Tony:] Yeah, what do you want on them, Marmite? Ok.
[Christine:] As usual
[Tony:] Christine will have them, Rene doesn't want any at all. If there's only a bit of beef you have the beef and I'll have some cheese.
[Jackie:] What, are you sure?
[Tony:] Yeah and some for Christine.
[Jackie:] Well that's two for you, two for dad, one for me and one for Christine, I don't want.
[Tony:] Ok... I'm happy with that.
[Jackie:] You sure?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Cos I don't mind cheese and Marmite if you have the beef.
[Tony:] No, it's alright, I'll have the cheese.
[Jackie:] that's ok then.
[Tony:] Yep.
[Jackie:] My love, will you do me a favour then, you do it all up, cos it won't keep you know.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It won't keep until after the weekend, but it'll be alright t today.
[Tony:] Aha. do dum...
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] I, she's been ripping all the newspaper.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Great.
[Jackie:] She's got have a clean out tomorrow so we'll be able to tidy up all again.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Until she decides to have another ripping... I'll be glad next year when they go out in the garden again, do you know what I mean?
[Tony:] Yeah, it'll be nice and you can fix, fix them up a run and...
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Do you want me to do crisps or anything?
[Jackie:] Yeah, crisps, [LAUGHTER], no [LAUGHTER], oh your horrible licked that, oh look at that?
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Oh, yuk...
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Your horrible, er yuk... told you it's an extravagant.
[Tony:] It'll be more extravagant to let it go to waste....
[Jackie:] You know how to do don't you?
[Tony:] No, I never do it.
[Jackie:] I just don't know at the end.
[Tony:] Yeah. Neither do I.
[Jackie:] Sorry.
[Tony:] I said neither do I [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] have such a good time [LAUGHTER]. Sort of.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Got to find it first..
[Tony:] Cupboards fine it's eh, in fact there's too much stuff in it.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]. Weren't so many... Ooh, where's my pickled of walnuts gone? where are my pickled walnuts, there in here somewhere.
[Tony:] I to get down in the cupboard.
[Jackie:] No, I don't think it's gonna be there.
[Tony:] Oh...
[Jackie:] Oh, I hate this cupboard.. Oh Tony.
[Tony:] I don't know what you've done
[Jackie:] Wanna scream... Oh,.
[Tony:] I hope not... I see if they want any... do you want, do, do you want any crisps?
[Rene:] Well I'll have half a packet with you, but chipsticks if you've got them.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Rene:] Just have half.
[Tony:] Ok.
[Rene:] .
[Tony:] Got any chipsticks?
[Jackie:] I think so. Oh did leave them in there... perhaps I've put them up on the shelf. No, there they are.. Perhaps when you loose your pickled walnuts.
[Tony:] That's right, yes. That's alright.
[Jackie:] [shouting] Mum would you like a pickled walnut? []
[Rene:] No thanks.
[Jackie:] Oh no, she's not having anything.
[Tony:] Chipsticks and a pickled walnut [LAUGHTER], yuk...
[Jackie:] Oh, I've when and got that great big jar of them for Christmas.
[Tony:] Aha.
[Jackie:] I know they cost a fortune, but oh.
[Tony:] Yeah, cost a fortune.
[Jackie:] Sorry.
[Tony:] Yeah, cost a fortune...
[Jackie:] Now what you do with this. Two teaspoon.
[Tony:] That's right, yeah. With about a third of a cup of milk, you mix it up with some sugar and then you put boiling water in. One, one full teaspoon.
[Jackie:] Right.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER], find a space for it again there.
[Jackie:] I must sort this cupboard out because there's plenty of room in there.
[Tony:] Oh, yeah. Do you want some crisps?
[Rene:] See you Monday, yeah cheerio, bye, bye
[Jackie:] Cheerio
[Rene:] Cheerio my love.
[Tony:] See you, yeah
[Jackie:] Bye, bye Christine. Safe journey.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Rene:] Cheerio, see you Monday,.
[Jackie:] Take care.
[Rene:] You pick your paper up?
[Jackie:] No, I don't want take it.
[Rene:] Do you want eh, all right then be brave, don't worry. Ooh it's still wet out, it's still raining.
[Jackie:] Is it raining?
[Rene:] No, it's not raining.
[Jackie:] No, it's not raining oh that's good then.
[Rene:] So you.
[Jackie:] I, see you again then.
[Tony:] See you again.
[Rene:] Cheerio Tony.
[Tony:] Yeah, cheerio... in't Christine ought to go to bed?
[Jackie:] Yeah. Come on get undressed..
[Tony:] Yeah. Christine.
[Christine:] Ok.
[Jackie:] Are you miss moody?
[Tony:] Just at the moment yeah...
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] Oh I wondered where that pen had got to... now where's my cardigan?... put my cardigan on the floor.
[Tony:] Oh, that's nice.
[Jackie:] Charming, mind if I watch.
[Tony:] No... do you want me sort out the gerbils.
[Jackie:] Well if you wouldn't mind, I'll do the rabbit, guinea pig while you
[Tony:] Ok...
[Jackie:] We'll do half each [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Erm, there is some more cabbage in the gerbils, can you take it out,.
[Tony:] Mm, mm...
[Jackie:] What did they have last night?... Last box of spring greens went off horrible.
[Tony:] Is it?
[Jackie:] Yeah...
[Tony:] I'll get them some fresh water as well.
[Jackie:] Sorry.
[Tony:] I'll get, give them some fresh water as well.
[speaker005:] I'm still learning, so many things to think about when I'm driving.
[Jackie:] There are.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] For I'm afraid my
[Tony:] I
[Jackie:] love there are, till it becomes automatic,
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] it could take a little while.
[Tony:] I pulled up fairly tight behind a car
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and then I was trying to come out and I started to pull out into a gap and Brian said oh know, don't pull out... I said oh okay, he said the thing is your fairly tight so your gonna have to come out slowly so you need a bigger gap than otherwise.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And the gap wasn't really big enough, do you know what I mean?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] It would off been o okay if I just been able to pull out and drive down the road
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] because I had to pull out round the stationery vehicle as well, I would off taken too long getting out
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and I'd have caused the other one to slow down.
[Jackie:] Yeah, there's a lot to this driving business unfortunately.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] So while your trying to do it, it, you.
[Tony:] Yeah. I've pulled the old greens out.
[Jackie:] Good.
[Tony:] They didn't seemed to have that much of it actually.
[Jackie:] No, it's erm... it's sometimes. It depends how they have to feel it. Oh, can you.
[Tony:] Yeah... Oh...
[Jackie:] Ah, you'll find some cupboard.
[Tony:] Yeah. A couple of tins of peas left out, try and find a space for them to go back in again.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]. Greater a man have died for laughter.
[Tony:] Not easier.
[Jackie:] Trying to get the peas back in the cupboard. Oh... could you hang on to that lot a minute. Mind the carrots doesn't drop in.
[Tony:] Yep, ok.
[Jackie:] What you been doing stinker, look at the mess... yeah, look at all this ooh. Yeah, your not supposed to be coming out.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] You little stinker. Yes you are, your an old stinker, yes you are.
[Tony:] Shall I put this in there?
[Jackie:] Oh, good girl. There, ooh.
[Tony:] Oh, there's a good girl.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Mm, she's got a lovely coat. Ah cos of the food and the condition she's kept in isn't it?
[Jackie:] . What you've been up to too? Look.
[Tony:] Oh god, [clears throat], I've checked, all this has got to be chucked away, has it?.
[Jackie:] Actually, I think this some more hay, there's hardly any in there.
[Tony:] Ok.
[Jackie:] I'll have that.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Oh there.
[Jackie:] Thanks.
[Christine:] Mum
[Tony:] What, what is it Christine?
[Christine:] I go, I got to.
[Tony:] Ok.
[Christine:] I didn't want to.
[Tony:] Alright.
[Christine:] .
[Tony:] Yeah, ok.
[Christine:] ...
[Tony:] Christine's gone to bed. You alright?
[Jackie:] They eat the hay... They've bitten all the apple...
[Tony:] Shall I er lock the front door and sort Ben out?
[Jackie:] Erm, please, and.
[Tony:] Would you wanna, would you wanna sit for a bit before he goes back?
[Jackie:] What time is it?
[Tony:] Five to one.
[Jackie:] Drop of Sherry.
[Tony:] Mm, could do.
[Jackie:] Glass.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] ...
[Tony:] Ok. It's tape number four. That one's alright, this one.
[Jackie:] That one start again.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Oh well. Ah......
[Jackie:] everything.
[Tony:] I wonder, I wonder what they get from some people you know. Sorry.
[Jackie:] Must be fun.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Cut all our naughty bits out.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] That's right. I do find I'm conscious of it a lot of the time. Other people probably can forget about it cos I'm wearing it, I feel conscious of it a lot of the time.
[Jackie:] I'm not, I must admit I don't think about it now, so if wearing it puts you off.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know what I mean, it's taking you.
[Tony:] What I'll do when I'm, if all the if signs and buts are covered, I will put the mike on it's stand when I'm working tomorrow, put it on the desk and put the recorder in the, in my briefcase underneath the little desk
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] cos there's a little coffee table sort of thing that I put my script on
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and put my brief case underneath it
[Jackie:] You'll have to take it home.
[Tony:] and the microphone on to on top.
[Jackie:] Have you read it again and realised what you're supposed to do you'll have to take some spare tapes in and spend lunch times won't you?
[Tony:] Yeah, but that's, just one, I mean I'm not gonna record, if I try and record the whole of the course
[Jackie:] You can't.
[Tony:] I can't.
[Jackie:] True,.
[Tony:] That's right, but
[Jackie:] Because ok, yeah stuff remains anonymous
[Tony:] mm
[Jackie:] but you're giving people how, how to defraud benefit.
[Tony:] yeah, I can't do that.
[Jackie:] Erm, so you've got to do that.
[Tony:] No, oh, a lot of the session's when they're talking about data types and things like that... oh I don't know, cos there's security aspects to that you see.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but then, if it's obscure that nobody apart from someone working in the office that'll understand it, does it matter?
[Tony:] The only way it would matter is that somebody breathes the information to, if they could get hold of a card, and get into an office, they could actually use the information to make a payment.
[Jackie:] If they knew how.
[Tony:] If they knew how.
[Jackie:] Mm, yeah, but be honest for what you're using, for what you've said, would they pick up that, with not having
[Tony:] Not unless.
[Jackie:] a computer in front of them and being able to look at it and do what you're saying?
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] Do you know what I mean?
[Tony:] Yeah, I'd, I'll have to blank it out the part when I'm talking about passwords and things as well.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Cos they're all passwords that protect the system.
[Jackie:] Yeah...
[Tony:] Yeah, but apart from that, you're right.
[Jackie:] Yeah it's like ours we've got passwords.
[Tony:] Mm... yeah and then everyone's got their own, I've got my own personal one as well.
[Jackie:] We've got our own personal one too, our.
[Tony:] Mm... no, mines more boring than that.
[Jackie:] Is it?
[Tony:] My pin number.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Tony:] I use my bank pin number, that way I don't forget it [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Oh I see that, that's how you remember, oh the other day I went to look at Asda you know, put my card in the machine and my mind just went totally blank, do you think I could remember the dam number.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] I stood there, in the end I keyed in a number which was one digit wrong
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] and I thought, it came out erm, incorrect pin number, please remove your card, I thought at least I'm getting it back you know so I whipped it out, I said to mum, I'm gonna have to pay for this with a cheque, I said, I can't get the cash out, and she, she said why, and I said I, I forgotten my number [LAUGHTER], I was getting in quite a panic cos I knew I didn't have it written down anywhere at home.
[Tony:] Yeah, mm. Do you know what it is now?
[Jackie:] Yeah, I remembered it while I was walking round the shop, cos the more I yeah, the more I thought about it the worse I got when I stood by the machine.
[Tony:] That's alright then. Cos I know yours, yeah, yeah
[Jackie:] So I took my card and went in I thought well I'll pay for this by, by cheque
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Erm, but I wanted some cash, so what I did in the end was walked round Asda remembered it, or thought I remembered it, came back out put the erm card back in and the terminal came up erm... it's ok.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] nervous now, you're gonna be checking that quite a bit.
[Jackie:] Yeah the terminal came up erm, due to an error were unable to complete your transaction, so I thought oh great, so I can't have my money in any place
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] then I felt a real twit, cos a man came up and I said I think something's gone wrong with the auto bank machine, says I, it won't give me any money because it's, it's coming up there's an error, so he said well I'll try and see, he says, he put in exactly the same card as me, he had the Midland card, put it in, got his money
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] so I thought, right, I'm not going to be beaten, so I got, went back in again, put the card back in, gave me my money that time.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] But, it, it wasn't saying I'd made, made an error
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] it was saying due to an error
[Tony:] There's probably some disruption to the... to the transmission or something for an.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Cos it only needs
[Jackie:] But I felt such a twit, cos I said to this man I, I don't know about you, but I can't get my money.
[Tony:] it only needs for a little bit of attention on a wire or something
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] to just make it erm, shut out just for a split second
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and it'll throw the whole thing.
[Jackie:] But that was not a good day [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] no [].
[Jackie:] Oh, no I put a six where a five should be, in my pin number, that's all I did, but I just, I just stood there and my mind just completely went blank, I couldn't remember it at all. And I'd already pushed the card in
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] so I had to key in something.
[Tony:] Mm, oh I [LAUGHTER], I'd turned round, I can't remember what it was... oh, what was it all about? I was doing a training session and I said erm... I'd, I'd started to say something and I'd done it, I was talking about something and I hadn't done the bit before
[Jackie:] mm.
[Tony:] so they couldn't understand what I was saying, do you know what I mean?
[Jackie:] Yeah, [clears throat].
[Tony:] and I said... erm,
[Jackie:] Do you want to make.
[Tony:] forget all about that, just let your mind go blank and I look round and I said cor that was quick [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Cos they're all looking pretty blank anyway you know.
[Jackie:] Yeah,. Ooh...
[Tony:] Well I don't think information about the, the seven, what are the seven conditions of receipt of benefit and things like this would be a State secret.
[Jackie:] No, unemployed dirty old thing, [LAUGHTER] living in a caravan, with a big dog [] Sorry.
[Tony:] Big, hairy and stroppy, you'll get whatever you like.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] yeah [].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Oh yeah, [LAUGHTER], big, hairy, stroppy, dirty thing whatever you like.
[Tony:] Not quite true, but
[Jackie:] Go on [LAUGHTER]... doesn't it make you sort of... bias when you actually work for the system?
[Tony:] Erm.
[Jackie:] And you see the nice people coming in and not getting really
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] what's due to them, see somebody coming in threaten to punch somebodies lights out and they get all the
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] you know?
[Tony:] But then, to my mind, the person that who, who threatens to punch the lights out and gets whatever they want, everyone should get the degree of service.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but the don't, and unfortunately it's the nice people that suffer.
[Tony:] No, but it's up to the every individual to try and make sure that they do get that level of service.
[Jackie:] So what are, yeah but, if to get that level of service you've got to threaten somebody
[Tony:] Yeah well you, you shouldn't have to threaten somebody to get good service.
[Jackie:] no, but you do have to.
[Tony:] You shouldn't.
[Jackie:] No, but you do, in the, in the end.
[Tony:] Depends on the people.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] Depends on the actual person you see and what their attitude is.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And I must admit once I'd been... I'd, early on when I didn't know an awful lot, then, yeah, but, later on when I had been more experienced there wasn't, there was very little difference between how I treated people whether they made a fuss or not.
[Jackie:] Yeah, that's right, well that's the way it should be
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] but you're in the mi minority in, in actually
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] doing that and saying that, and that's wrong.
[Tony:] Mm, yeah, I'm
[Jackie:] But,
[Tony:] trying to do something about it.
[Jackie:] yeah.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] That's right, I mean the thing is you train people to do it properly
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] they then go back to their office and unfortunately a lot of what other people in the office are doing are taught
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and that I think really have more of an influence, cos they're not going to change themselves into an individual
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] by doing something different to everyone else.
[Tony:] Yeah, I see what you mean. They're not in a situation where they can take an individual line at that point.
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] It's only later on when they're more experienced that they can actually say, well hang on a minute... I can do more for this person... and I'm going to do more for this person.
[Jackie:] But I think that's the only thing were, if I worked in a benefit office I wouldn't get on very well, because if I saw something I'd try and move heaven and earth to make... everything to go right for me.
[Tony:] And that, and that would make you good.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but in the beginning I'd get criticized for not being quick enough in my,
[Tony:] I don't know.
[Jackie:] because I'd chase people round to find, till I found out what I wanted to know.
[Tony:] Mm, yeah.
[Jackie:] Do you know what I mean.
[Tony:] The sort of things I'm talking about, I'm, I'm thinking of is ok somebody, a mistake's been made, somebody hasn't got their payment out
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] alright, and the difference between that is er and then the degree of service that they get, erm you can say you'll get it in the post two days in, in two days, or you can say erm, we'll get a giro cheque written out for you, initial it to you at the counter
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] at half past three... or you can say... if you'd like to, if you'd like to wait for half an hour, we'll get a giro cheque to, issued to you or if you'd rather you can come back at half past three and collect it.
[Jackie:] Yeah, that unfortunately the majority of people say you'll get money in a couple of days, then the person would start to argue, because they need their money now to go and buy their shopping.
[Tony:] Yeah, yeah... and that's... degrees of service
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] I mean that, in that situation I would try and say sort of
[Jackie:] Me, I, I know.
[Tony:] Do you need the money urgently?
[Jackie:] Mm, and they're always going to say yes aren't they, unless they're a reasonable human being and has got a bit of money they can use.
[Tony:] Yeah, yeah, only erm...
[Jackie:] But I must admit, I, I am a bit snobbish in it, I would move heaven and earth to help someone who... looked clean and nice and had good manners.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] If it was someone coming in with a nasty attitude really filthy, scruffy, dirty, no fixed address because they lived in er... er, an old wagon some where
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I think I'd be less inclined [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] but having said that, I'd still give them
[Tony:] Only thing is dealing with the awkward people
[Christine:] Shall I get down?
[Jackie:] Yeah, yes please.
[Tony:] that distinguishes a professional to somebody who isn't.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah, I, I'd give them the same options but
[Christine:] Ow!
[Jackie:] with someone who's nice, put it that way, I'd almost definitely try, I'd get the, say that they could have the giro today
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Straight away. With someone who's not I'd try and get them to wait for a couple of days and then if they wouldn't I'd go through the and get them it today.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] Do, do you see the difference? It wouldn't be, I wouldn't say oh no you can't have it, but I'd say well you'll receive it in a couple of days time and if they said oh well that's not good enough, then fair enough, you, you know.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] But somebody who's nice I'd think no, why
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] should they have to wait because... but the, I, these people they are, they've opted out of society, they want nothing to do
[Tony:] They don't,
[Jackie:] with society apart from the giro cheque on paper
[Tony:] yeah well they don't
[Jackie:] they want
[Tony:] you don't have problems with their payments.
[Jackie:] no, no it's, it's the people that think the world owes them a living, but they don't want to give anything back and that really bugs me.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know what I mean?
[Tony:] Mm, mm, yeah, I must admit I wouldn't, I agree with what you say, where I wouldn't classify those people as being of no fixed abode, they're not necessarily of no fixed abode, there are a lot of people who would, living in flats and Council houses and things like that, they've got that attitude
[Jackie:] Who.
[Tony:] and some of the people who were no fixed abode, actually trying very hard to get work.
[Jackie:] Mm, no, by no fixed abode I didn't mean, I did say the.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] It's the people that get
[Tony:] No, but, even, even some of those... erm the only thing is they tend to get work and they tend not to tell you they've done it [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] No, it, no it's the one's that have opted out and they don't try to get work and they don't want work
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] those are the ones that I'd be, cos it's obvious, I mean, they've done no work in the past sort of twelve months
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] or nearly twelve months, and they're not trying because whatever people say, they do, the works there.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] You've only got to go to the Job Centre and see all the jobs.
[Christine:] Mummy.
[Jackie:] I mean
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] Yeah, that's not bad.
[Christine:] Right, erm, mum
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Do you know with this model, those paints with got to get it done by this Friday.
[Jackie:] Alright, I'll try and sort something out tomorrow.
[Christine:] Ok.
[Jackie:] Ok, only I haven't got time today, if we can do the that today look, might as well get done really.
[Tony:] It is, it is a bit more complicated than that,
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] in that er, some people would like to work, but the level, the amount of money they need coming in, is not in line with the amount they can realistically expect to earn, and that's a difficult situation.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but then they've got to adjust their life style.
[Tony:] Mm, erm, yeah, you can't adjust your life style by killing a couple of kids,
[Jackie:] Oh no,
[Tony:] that's the only problem [LAUGHTER], if you've got a large family and you've had a well paid job and then you loose it
[Jackie:] yeah
[Tony:] erm, and you're not likely to be able to get into that line of work again
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] it, it can be quite difficult,
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] but there are, what there wasn't before, that there is now is these, erm
[Jackie:] But, then, as I say, if you've got a fam if you, if you can get a job... and you, you, it's their just life style adjusting.
[Tony:] well no, because what you can do know is you can go to somebody who will sit down with a mini computer and that's what you need, a mini computer and will sit down and will look at a job and will say right, if you take this job, it can also claim Family Credit of so much, and, and they actually do a, a sort of alternative benefit calculation, and what they do is they look at, if you take this job and take all the other things into account, will you be better off?
[Jackie:] Mm. Mm.
[Tony:] And they'll actually sit down and work that out for people and encourage them to go for a job and give them all the forms they need to claim Family Credit or whatever.
[Jackie:] Well that's what I was gonna say, if the system works properly there's no way.
[Tony:] But sometimes people fall through the cracks
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] and if, you can actually have somebody go, who's interested in going for a job, and when you do that sort of calculation they end up they're gonna be worse off.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And that shouldn't be allowed to happen, but it does.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Because it doesn't su, it doesn't match the whole, there, there are holes in it.
[Jackie:] Yeah, so, so what happens then if they say I'm not even going to that interview then because I couldn't live on it, even with all the other benefits, what happens then?
[Tony:] Right, erm
[Jackie:] See this is it, they get punished then, don't they, for not... for not trying.
[Tony:] Well, erm, as I understand it er calculations for in work benefit at erm, by somebody who's separate from the normal benefit section
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] and I don't think they, they will pass on information about somebody actually refusing to take a job
[Jackie:] Because of the pay.
[Tony:] because of the pay.
[Jackie:] Oh...
[Tony:] But, the system ought to be water tight, so that people are better off
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] but the trouble is it's so complicated there are always exceptions and problems that cause
[Jackie:] Yeah, but I mean, be honest, you, you say that, but people have got to be prepared to adjust as well.
[Tony:] Oh yeah.
[Jackie:] Because you say someone with a large family and they need a lot of money, you see someone with a large family
[Tony:] Yeah, [clears throat].
[Jackie:] Child Benefit or something like that
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] and they're not given a large amount of money
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] and there's somebody else saying oh I need five hundred pounds a month more than that, to live... and you think well, hang on
[Tony:] Well.
[Jackie:] You, know, if, if these two people with the same number of kids can live for this
[Tony:] yeah
[Jackie:] why should this person need five hundred pound a month more.
[Tony:] What you've got to take into account is that, an all, there's an awful lot of things that you get when your unemployed that stop when you find a job.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah, cos I mean I know they pay mortgage for you, well not mortgage, but interest on your mortgage.
[Tony:] Interest on mortgage, yeah.
[Jackie:] So you've certainly got to erm start paying the mortgage again.
[Tony:] mm. Also if you're in rented accommodation you're claiming housing benefit, you'll probably haven't got to pay any rent, specially if it's Council there's relief, relief from paying
[Jackie:] Provided, if your pay is that low.
[Tony:] community charge, which you don't get any more once you start working.
[Jackie:] Well you do.
[Tony:] Well
[Jackie:] Depending on your circumstances
[Tony:] it depend, it depending on your circumstances, yeah.
[Jackie:] That's what I'm saying you'll still get people who, they don't qualify for any of these benefits
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] because of what they're earning
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] and they're still saying they're not getting enough
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] those are the people who need to adjust what, how they're living and they don't.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] They've got a big car, they've got a big house
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] you know, say to them buy a smaller house and Phrr, you know you'd never
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] never hear the end of it.
[Tony:] Erm.
[Jackie:] I mean it was like Deborah and Dave, can you remember?
[Tony:] I believe, ah, I believe the D S S do look at the situation, but they, before, yeah,
[Jackie:] Do you remember Deborah and Dave?,
[Tony:] before they actually suggest to somebody that they sell a house, that they sell a house and moved to a smaller one, they have to be unemployed for quite some time.
[Jackie:] yeah, but I mean they just desperately wanted to get away from Bristol
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] because of what happened with the accident
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] what have you, and they moved from that really nice house
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] that they had
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and that was Deborah's mother's house, that was where Deborah was brought up and where I used to go and play with her when we were little
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] and of course her mum moved to Cornwall and Deborah bought the house of off her, a bit cheaper than they would have bought on the... they moved down to Cornwall and they bought a much smaller house, much, much smaller.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I mean she had three or four children
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] so she's still needed, I think she bought a three bedroomed house which meant she had two girls... two girls and a boy, she had three children.
[Tony:] Aha.
[Jackie:] No two boys and a girl, so it meant that two boys have to share a bedroom which they weren't doing in that other house... and David's been unemployed well
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I say, they did just that, they sold up, moved down to Cornwall where her mum lives and bought a much smaller place.
[Tony:] Yeah. D S S don't help with the mortgage, at the first I think it's ten weeks as well, but I think help with the mortgage at all.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Unless people are insured for that sort of period in time any way.
[Jackie:] [clears throat], yeah are we?
[Tony:] I don't think we are.
[Jackie:] No, because of the type of job.
[Tony:] Yeah. Oh, I don't know if we would be.
[Jackie:] I don't know, but it's, I don't know I, it's a very difficult sort of situation where you get, there are so many things to look into, and it's not being done well enough
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] basically.
[Tony:] It's very, very complicated.
[Jackie:] Mm, it is, but it's still not being done well as
[Tony:] There's no way it should be that complicated... a lot of the problems are caused by the rules being so complicated that you have to be working in that particular field
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] with two or three years before you really know what's going on
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] and in Avon we've got erm... we've got a large turn over of staff
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] people don't stay out long, so you don't get many people getting up to two or three years experience, the one's that stay on that long stay
[Jackie:] Oh yeah, they, they're very good.
[Tony:] They're, and they're very good and they, they tend to stay a long time.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] But then they tend to get promoted and move on to other things.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but I, I think the reason I feel a bit bitter about it is living round here, you see all the dirties and the scruffies, you get annoyed, absolute no order, they've crawled into the system right up to and doing openly in front of you
[Tony:] Yeah, mm.
[Jackie:] and you think well to hell with it, they should be, come down on hard.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] You, you know, you
[Tony:] Yeah,
[Jackie:] just see them all getting away with it and they makes me thing something ought to be done, which has the people that lose out or the people who go in there very politely, fill out their claim
[Tony:] mm.
[Jackie:] suffered at home and because of all the dirties and scruffies making a fuss they don't get attended to properly
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] and that's what makes me evil, that's why I say I'd moved heaven and earth for someone who's nice
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and for someone who's not.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Because you know dam well that those people, the ones that are not and are making the fuss are probably the ones that lead, need the money least.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Cos er, somebody I can think off with a, not a million miles from here is working and claiming
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I know that... I mean he's actually thick enough to go up there and sign on in his overalls.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Then he says, oh he's working on cars for the family, ha, ha, ha, ha.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] You know, and you, you know dam well he's, he's defrauded the system.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] When, and he'll be the one going up there shouting. Somebody like Hilary
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] that needs all the help she can get goes up there and
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] gets little... You know it just doesn't seem right at all.
[Tony:] Mm. Erm... I wouldn't... there are ten per cent, well perhaps less than ten per cent who are absolute loonies.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Erm, but an awful lot of people who would go up and make a fuss... may not get this, the same level of services erm, somebody who went up there and was nice.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] They might get less.
[Jackie:] Yeah, perhaps it's just that I know some of the loonies that go up there and get what they want every time.
[Tony:] Well.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] The thing is you have to look at your source of information for that.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] They might think they're getting away with it, a lot of people who, who, I mean being unemployed isn't, you tend, people tend to feel devalued and so if they can think oh, they've put one over on that, on the er, benefit office, then they'll go and brag down the pub about it.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Whereas in actual fact if they come in very nicely and ask very nicely, they might have got more than they actually got here when they came in shouting and yelling.
[Jackie:] Mm, yeah.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER], but then, when you come to the lunatic fringe... then supervisor's will cut an awful lot of corners to prevent them busting up the office or punching somebody in the nose, a real, I don't mean people who are just stroppy, I mean the real lunatic.
[Jackie:] Yeah, yeah, big red L written on their claim.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER], I know, ha, ha, I can sue you, you take care.
[Tony:] Yeah, I mean there are some virile people who are mentally sub normal.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah.
[Tony:] There are people who are mentally ill, for one reason or another, there are people on drugs, there are people who are alcoholics and when those people come in, in that state, you minimize the areas of confrontation.
[Jackie:] So when you say to them sorry you don't get any money because they're not entitled to it what happens then?
[Tony:] Well there's only one thing you can do any way.
[Jackie:] Yeah. You see the it's gonna happen eventually with all these people, there's gonna come a time where's something gonna happen that they're not gonna like
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] you know,
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] erm, as long as, cos they can only claim benefit for a certain length of time can't they?, then it switches from unemployment to Social Security.
[Tony:] Income Support, yeah, but Income Support, paid indefinitely.
[Jackie:] Yeah, yeah.
[Tony:] And Income Support is a lot more than Unemployment Benefit anyway.
[Jackie:] It is, is it?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Oh, I didn't think it was.
[Tony:] Yeah, Unemployment Benefit is only forty one quid a week.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Tony:] Or sixty five if you're claiming for a wife, [LAUGHTER], what good is that?
[Jackie:] Well, you said what good is that, it's more than mum and dad's er pension... it's more than dad's pension
[Tony:] Ah, yeah.
[Jackie:] and he's claimed.
[Tony:] I don't think you've got that right somehow, there's no way, that retirement pension will be less than Income Benefit, it's always a bit more.
[Jackie:] Well, it works out
[Tony:] that's based on National Insurance Contributions.
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] And dad's in receipt of a, in receipt of a full pension.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Right, he's getting more than sixty, sixty five quid a week.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but it's not a lot more.
[Tony:] Ok, it might not be a lot more, it might be seventy.
[Jackie:] Mm, yeah.
[Tony:] But it's always a bit more.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] Because they
[Jackie:] They ought to be a lot more that's the thing.
[Tony:] because people who are signing on will er, well,pe he's, he could still claim Income Support.
[Jackie:] He can't.
[Tony:] He's got too much money coming in then.
[Jackie:] Yeah, cos he's got a private pension of one hundred pounds a month as well.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Cos they get hardly any rent rebate now, hardly any oh, but, well, Poll Tax, they pay nineteen pounds each
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] which is practically the same as were paying.
[Tony:] It is the same.
[Jackie:] Yeah, [clears throat], they get no relief there, no relief any where else.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I mean, I be honest I don't know how they do it, because I do know what they've got coming in
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I mean they've got their old age pension and dad's private pension and that's it. Erm, I don't know how they live, yet they always seemed to have enough money... you know.
[Tony:] They get help with the rent?
[Jackie:] About one pound odd a week. Rene said they're twenty four pound a week.
[Tony:] Yeah...
[Jackie:] They get practically no help at all and yet mum still manages to sort of save a bit
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and I think well where are they going short, because they must be.
[Tony:] Mm, it's a thought, they seemed to be able to manage ok.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] I mean, were, were be in a totally different situation.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but then we've got three hundred pound mortgage, which they haven't got, I mean we've got different circumstances.
[Tony:] Yeah, but, we will be totally different situation.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah, when, when we retire.
[Tony:] Cos we'll end up with no mortgage, we'll get I don't, I don't know, if I..., I must admit I rather fancy the erm, the old er... the erm, a re-employed pensioner, I don't know.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] It's quite a good one.
[Jackie:] What going down to E.O.
[Tony:] Well I can work till I'm sixty two as an E.O.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Or Sixty as an H.E.O.
[Jackie:] Would you want to?
[Tony:] What, you could then do which I think would probably help, cos you see you don't get State Retirement Pension till you're sixty five
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] but what I, what would be a possibility at sixty two, when I'm at that point, I'd be receiving half pay
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] as a pension, so if I'd retired at that point, and then worked part time
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] to keep your green matter in the wear
[Jackie:] Yeah, yeah.
[Tony:] As an A O somewhere.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] So I'll reach State Retirement Age we can, end up with virtually full pay.
[Jackie:] Yeah,
[Tony:] When I've, I've got
[Jackie:] that's if I was still working.
[Tony:] I'd be working part time for full pay [LAUGHTER], if you see what I mean
[Jackie:] Yeah, yeah.
[Tony:] and then at retirement age I would continue to receive half pay plus retirement pen State Retirement Pension
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] which be, at the equivalent of about seventy quid a week as well.
[Jackie:] Yeah, I h, I honestly think though that when erm... I don't know, you see, cos I, I's been saying oh when I get a chance I'll get a transfer out of my office
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] because of they way it's run
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] but they way it is at the moment, with me able to use the car for work
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] and things, you think is it worth it because the car would be sat out here, if, if say, say I transferred and still did three days but did it when you work
[Tony:] Mm, yeah
[Jackie:] in the building you work in
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I wouldn't be able to use my car
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] so, I'd have to pay bus fare
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] so I'd be paying, we'd be paying for our petrol which wouldn't be a lot different to what it is now really
[Tony:] No,
[Jackie:] a bit, two or three pounds a week perhaps
[Tony:] mm.
[Jackie:] and I'd be paying a lot more in bus fare
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] plus you haven't got the convenience of being able to go and get in your car
[Tony:] Yeah, cos standing about waiting for buses is not fun.
[Jackie:] No, you know, if I could work somewhere in an office where I could use my car
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] then that would be great
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] but you'd want to be able to know that you can... I don't know, I mean, I [sigh], I think, with, with the place I am now... I just don't know what to make of it really
[Tony:] No, I think the thing is, is once you, this is gonna sound awful, but once you've done your time and you know as much or more, then you're E O... then you're gonna be left alone to get on with your job.
[Jackie:] What do you mean love, we've always been left alone to get
[Tony:] Yeah,
[Jackie:] on with the job.
[Tony:] what I mean is, that you're not gonna have, erm... you're not gonna have interference like you had lately, ya, not gonna have comments like you had lately.
[Jackie:] Huh, there'll always be
[Tony:] And, and you feel, comfortable with what you're doing, you won't have to erm, you won't have to worry about the work, if you know what I mean, you'll know how to do it.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Once you've got that, I, I think you might well fined that it's quite nice and comfortable to stay there.
[Jackie:] Yeah, well this is it, I think
[Tony:] Rather than, rather than face moving into Benefit where it is very fraught at times and in a situa, and coping with that as well as not knowing what you doing isn't nice.
[Jackie:] You, you say it's very fraught in Benefit at times, I don't think you appreciate what I do,
[Tony:] right, you are very busy
[Jackie:] no, when you get someone's relative phoning up because they've just been crushed under a lump of machinery, that's is very fraught.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Having to deal with that person
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] why aren't you prosecuting the company because my son has just been killed
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and who has to deal with it, da da.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Not, you know, the inspector's are out, where you can't reached them on the phone.
[Tony:] You've never talked about that before.
[Jackie:] Oh no, no it happens.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Quite a bit.
[Tony:] And that's, that's on a par with the sort of problem we get in benefit
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] and somebody comes in, Aunt Maud has just died, what do I do?
[Jackie:] Yeah, yeah.
[Tony:] You think, oh [LAUGHTER], and it
[Jackie:] Yeah, but, the thing is with that it's very different because, [sigh], it's not your fault
[Tony:] Ok, erm.
[Jackie:] erm they're not coming to you and saying, my wife has been killed why aren't you doing anything about it,
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] they're coming to you and saying my wife has been killed please can you help me which is
[Tony:] My kid,
[Jackie:] is different. They're coming to you asking for help
[Tony:] yeah, yeah.
[Jackie:] whereas they're coming to us and blaming you
[Tony:] Mm, yeah.
[Jackie:] you know
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] For doing nothing, which is
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] you know, if the help and safety executive had done this, this and insured that this was right and that was right
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] this wouldn't have happened.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know, that's a bit different to my wife has died please can you help me
[Tony:] Yeah, yeah,
[Jackie:] sort things out.
[Tony:] another scenario that comes up quite often is that, somebody comes in and say my kids haven't had any food all over the weekend because you didn't send out a giro...
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] that be a
[Jackie:] Yeah, but mine they're lying instead.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER], well you,
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] you won't sometimes.
[Jackie:] Yes, that means
[Tony:] Yeah, but
[Jackie:] my kids haven't had any food all weekend that I've paid for because you didn't send me my giro, they've had their meals because they've been round there at grandma's, but I'm not telling you that, yeah, you know.
[Tony:] Yeah. I went down the pub on Saturday and drank it, all the rest of my benefit.
[Jackie:] Yeah, quite.
[Tony:] But, that's, that's what you're faced with sometimes.
[Jackie:] Yeah, I mean.
[Tony:] But, yeah, I mean
[Jackie:] I mean we get it as well, it's not, you so sort of say oh my jobs a cosy little job, but it's not that cosy believe me, you get put in some very awkward situations.
[Tony:] no, I didn't, I didn't want to say that.
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] I didn't want to say that because I didn't, I don't think it is a cosy little job
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] especially with the management's support you get.
[Jackie:] Well we don't get any.
[Tony:] That's what I meant.
[Jackie:] From the management we get positive hinderance not support.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER], yeah, that's what I meant.
[Jackie:] I mean, my immediate management,, now in, in a crisis she's brilliant, you see, I, I don't know whether this with this the other day, whether she didn't... go to see Paul to see what I'd say
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] because I'd said this, and I don't know whether she was sussing me out
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] a bit as well, cos I've, I've said that, he's said something to me... and,
[Tony:] Ok.
[Jackie:] and I don't know whether she took me down to see him to see if I'd backed down
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and I didn't, because he said it.
[Tony:] Mm, yeah.
[Jackie:] And I think she was
[Tony:] No, I,
[Jackie:] quite pleased with me cos she said, don't get irate, don't get upset, and I didn't.
[Tony:] no.
[Jackie:] I talked him down at one point
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] cos he kept doing it to me so I did it to him.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] He wouldn't let me say something and I tried about three times and in the end I just kept talking,
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] it was a case of you stop, let.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] But I don't know anybody in there who hasn't had a really good shout at him at some point, and that's all, that's including A O's
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] you know, and when Ah
[Tony:] Yeah, the one thing you have got there is that people are prepared to take him on.
[Jackie:] Yeah, they are, Julie will
[Tony:] Mm, whereas, if you
[Jackie:] and Joyce definitely will [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] yeah, whereas if you had the situation where people weren't prepared to take him on, it could be awful
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] you have people leaving hand over fist.
[Jackie:] They have now.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I mean they've got a job to keep people.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Since I've been there, they've had.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I think A.O's, they, they, the A O's tend to stay
[Tony:] Does they tend to have more gumption, they tend to have to stand up to him in the end.
[Jackie:] yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] But the A O's don't, they've had one, two... they've had one new A A to date
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] in the twelve month's I've been there, just one, and we've had three leave.
[Tony:] Yeah...
[Jackie:] You know
[Tony:] Yeah...
[Jackie:] I, I don't know it... cos he, he sort of says all this, that we, were very good to people you know, great flexibility and all this
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] oh yes, you get a hospital appointment then you have the time off it, that's it, they'll
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER],
[Jackie:] move heaven and earth, you know
[Tony:] so what
[Jackie:] so what
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] quite. If you have a pre he's actually said to me if you have a problem I will listen and I will help you, so there's me going to him and saying look due to a misunderstanding I have a problem and this one saying tough
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] you know... but it wasn't any misunderstanding either, he said something
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] and now the chips are down and I'm calling on him to do what he said, he's not prepared to
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] that's what it boils down to, there's no misunderstanding it's him.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Him, he, he wanted someone to work there desperately
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I was there, I was prepared to do it
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and he wanted me
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] so he offered me the moon to get me
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] having got me
[Tony:] Yeah, he then starts trying to take it back
[Jackie:] yeah, and he's not going to.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] So.
[Tony:] He didn't exactly offer you the moon anyway
[Jackie:] Well no,
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] no
[Tony:] But he was prepared to negotiate on something which now he's saying he didn't negotiate.
[Jackie:] Yeah, that's right, what, no, he's not saying erm, he's not prepared to negotiate any more
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] he's saying he didn't say it in the first place.
[Tony:] First place, yeah.
[Jackie:] He's also saying, but now I have a more responsible job, therefore I have to be in time, five minutes after him, not good enough.
[Tony:] Mm, yeah.
[Jackie:] You know... and, as I say with my partner... I haven't mentioned it yet, this business about cover
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] but it annoys me that, why, you see, I'm, I'm asking for cover for technical half an hour in the morning
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Possibly fifty five minutes.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Somebody has to cover our group from half past three till five
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] during the week.
[Tony:] Well that's not time, so it doesn't matter.
[Jackie:] No, when your partner
[Tony:] This,
[Jackie:] goes home early
[Tony:] it's, it's a question it's not a question of cover, and it's not a question of erm efficiency it's a question of small mindedness.
[Jackie:] Yes, luckily he's gonna look at all my flexi.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] The one that's been really bad, is the one that I'm still doing, they can't see that.
[Tony:] Ah, right. Yeah.
[Jackie:] I looked at the other day and I was thinking oh god, I want to go to sleep a couple of days last, you know
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] five minutes, ten minutes, and I was thinking erm, the car broke down
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] well that's all the sheet I'm doing now
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] so he won't see that one.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] Keen she is
[Tony:] She is in't she?
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Got my house keys?
[Christine:] It's up there, I saw it on the door last night.
[Jackie:] Oh, was it late?
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER] no.
[Jackie:] Oh where is it, this side or the other side?
[Christine:] Erm
[Jackie:] The passenger, yeah, grandma. Just getting used to this damn er choke again
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] They'll service it, and it'll
[Jackie:] They'll service it,
[Tony:] be all different again.
[Jackie:] such a pain, it really is. I seemed to do anything to the car, mind with the water pump I think they check, they have to er adjust the timing.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] When they er put the new pump in, but it is such a nuisance. You've got to push the choke in now as far as it'll go.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] The only thing is then you'll run, when you stop and take your foot off the accelerator you risk stopping.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]... you'll have to give it as little as it you know
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] It seems to be much more sensitive to too much choke.
[Tony:] Yeah, it floods very easily.
[Jackie:] Yeah...
[Tony:] Pick, are you gonna pick her up at quarter past,quar, er seven o'clock is it?
[Jackie:] Yeah, erm
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] So you could, explain sort of why.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] See you later.
[Christine:] Bye.
[Jackie:] Be a good girl...
[Christine:] Hello Tony, was Christine okay?
[Tony:] Hello, yeah.
[Christine:] We'll drop her back.
[Tony:] Well we can, we can
[Christine:] Unless you want her earlier,
[Tony:] pick her up about seven.
[Christine:] yeah that's fine.
[Tony:] Okay, cos were going out, so we can pick her up on the way out, about seven?
[Christine:] Okay, yeah, is that alright?.
[Tony:] Yeah, that's fine,
[Christine:] I'm gonna drop the other's back at seven
[Tony:] oh.
[Christine:] We've got Charmaine and... Charlotte, we don't know if Becky's coming round, we've got a video.
[Tony:] Oh, right.
[Christine:] Okay?
[Tony:] Erm.
[Christine:] It's, it's up to you, if you, if you like us to drop her back first at seven
[Tony:] Erm
[Christine:] or we'll hang on until you call for her and then I'll pop these back home, I don't mind, whichever.
[Tony:] Erm.
[Christine:] Or she can stay later it's, it's entirely up to you.
[Tony:] No, were actually going out at seven
[Christine:] You take her out
[Tony:] I mean, you, were take Christine, yeah.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Erm. [LAUGHTER], er, we'll, we'll, we'll pick her up at seven.
[Christine:] okay
[Tony:] Okay.
[Christine:] See you later
[Tony:] See you later then.
[Jackie:] Okay?
[Tony:] Yeah, Lorraine was saying oh we can bring her back about seven.
[Jackie:] You say we were on our way out any way.
[Tony:] And I said well were on our way out so she said alright, were hang on and wait for you to arrive at seven and then I'll take the rest back.
[Jackie:] Oh the rest, how many has she got there?
[Tony:] I don't know. I think Becky, I think Charmaine is going, is there as well, so, she's gonna have a house full and they're all gonna sit and watch a video.
[Jackie:] going back. God.
[Tony:] Yeah, brave lady.
[Jackie:] Oh my, must admit, gets a bit much of it you know.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] But then I suppose.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Oh I wish we could get all that grass cut, oh.
[Tony:] Yeah, I can't do it can we?
[Jackie:] No. We've had a real sort of little later you know.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It'll be ideal to do it, but you, actually say you just can't do it all.
[Tony:] Mm...
[Jackie:] I suppose being realistic we could clean the car out in the evening because you only got to have the door open you've got the interior light on
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] you know.
[Tony:] Yeah, you can't clean the outside of the car by the interior light.
[Jackie:] Yeah, but then we'll do that in the car wash then.
[Tony:] Yeah...
[Jackie:] see it's busy on a Sunday.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I wonder actually if their car wash is open...
[Tony:] Oh, we'll have a look...
[Jackie:] Yes, the garage is.
[Tony:] Yeah there's somebody in there now... I'll go and get the ticket.
[Jackie:] Get the wax one as well, that'll give some protection as well.
[Tony:] Okay... Wax or hot wax?
[Jackie:] Erm, what do you think? Which is
[Tony:] That's the hot wax.
[Jackie:] What do you think?
[Tony:] We can try that.
[Jackie:] Wax, yeah.
[Tony:] Okay... Hello, can I have a three pound fifty car wash please.
[speaker005:] There's been.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker005:] Thank you..
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[speaker005:] There we go.
[Tony:] Thank you.
[speaker005:] .
[Tony:] Bye. [carwash]
[Jackie:] You haven't got the dry on it as well?
[Tony:] Yeah...
[Jackie:] It'll give it some form of protection which we haven't got round to doing the erm... oh
[Tony:] Silicone.
[Jackie:] yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I mean it says it lasts up to two years, we've only had it on there a year
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] it's just over a year, so that's. It all helps if you start the engine.
[Tony:] Right, I'd better go and push the ticket in hadn't I?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And I've got our aeriel down.
[Jackie:] We'll still have to do all round the doors, round the you know.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Not a bumper, all over, number plate, on the front. The number plate's only hanging on [LAUGHTER] by one screw [].
[Tony:] God.
[Jackie:] Every time I come up here I think is the alright, that one. It was broken when we bought the car.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's done well to stay on two and a half years really.
[Tony:] Yeah.? 1 e
[Jackie:] I'm interested to see what it's gonna do for a hot wax if you see what I mean?
[Tony:] Yeah...
[Jackie:] Or at least, wow.
[Tony:] What?...
[Jackie:] I've got a little pool down here. down there, on the inside, yes.
[Tony:] Yes.
[Jackie:] Well it is a bit excessive isn't it?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's not erm... well where was the hot wax?... we just had an ordinary wash... go and ask her, say you asked for... how much did you pay?
[Tony:] I had the right card, it was the card number five which was for the hot wash as, hot wax as well.
[Jackie:] Well it's, we've just had an ordinary wash... haven't we?
[Tony:] I don't know, they might...
[Jackie:] I don't exactly feel as if we'd had our monies worth there.
[Tony:] Oh, mm, I don't, I don't really know what the hot wax does.
[Jackie:] Oh no, it does feel.
[Tony:] It's probably different.
[Jackie:] It, it's, no, no.
[Tony:] Different stuff is put on it.
[Jackie:] Yeah, there's something, it feels erm.
[Tony:] Feels waxy?... This one's cheaper than the er
[Jackie:] Sorry.
[Tony:] This one is cheaper
[Jackie:] What than the erm.
[Tony:] than the one at the Longwell Green.
[Jackie:] Yeah, it's had something, look it wouldn't of.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Yes, it's had something, look at the paint work.
[Tony:] Yeah, it's good, in it?...
[Jackie:] It was probably erm the shampoo and what have you it's in
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] together... I'm sorry.
[Tony:] It's alright.
[Jackie:] Jumping off the clutch there.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER], I'm a past master at that [LAUGHTER]...
[Jackie:] Going a bit quickly.
[Tony:] What's going a bit quickly?
[Jackie:] That police car.
[Tony:] Ah.
[Jackie:] Wasn't screaming, just that it's, the eh, getting there.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Don't you start.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] I know how easy it is to do that, coming up there.
[Tony:] Coming up there, yes, quite er, quite tricky.
[Jackie:] Thanks for a paying to have it washed like that, cos it
[Tony:] That's alright.
[Jackie:] saves an awful lot of time with us.
[Tony:] Saves a lot of work don't it, a lot of time...
[Jackie:] I want to check the tyres and that as well.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] Cos we haven't had for any actual air in it for ages.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I'm sure they must need er... a little bit.
[Tony:] Yeah...
[Jackie:] And we've got plenty of time now to erm do the hoovering and what have you.
[Tony:] Mm. Brian had a little panic before my test.
[Jackie:] Why?
[Tony:] He had a back light go.
[Jackie:] Oh no.
[Tony:] Break light.
[Jackie:] Well, having said that
[Tony:] He had a spare.
[Jackie:] he did?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] When did it go?
[Tony:] While he was fitting it, while I was coming out of door to stop my test to start
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Tony:] on my er lesson before my test, and he said just push the brake down a minute and I did and he said oh, you try it again, yeah, oh, hang on a minute, he fiddled about some more and he said right now do it again... ah right that's working now [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] Phew we.
[Tony:] And I was thinking oh god.
[Jackie:] Did the examiner check your break lights and indicator's though.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] No,.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] The only the thing is there do, erm there's a parking light on Brian's
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and he said, do you normally have a light down there? And I said er... only when I'm parked.
[Jackie:] What did he say?
[Tony:] And he said er, mm, would you er, would you just, erm, don't raise the clutch just put the car into first gear a minute. Put it into first gear and he said, and the light went out, he said oh yes that's fine.
[Jackie:] I wouldn't bother with that if I were you, we're gonna be hoovering it and cleaning it aren't we.
[Tony:] Oh yeah course we are, yeah, okay.
[Jackie:] Yep. I'm gonna be ashamed of driving it again now, I was getting to a point where I was thinking oh my god, Christine came out in black all along here she said, er what's that? I said dirt [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]. Right, have you locked it all?
[Jackie:] Yes I think so.
[Tony:] Okay, well we'll lock it.
[Jackie:] I never leave it unlocked.
[Tony:] No, but...
[Jackie:] Right then we want the hoover, we've got a patch of to do.
[Tony:] Aha.
[Jackie:] About that big, it's not a small patch. You know where the door frame goes round and the door fits into it?
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] Somebody's obviously tipped the edge
[Tony:] Ah.
[Jackie:] and it's gone un-noticed so far. Of course after Christmas some time we've got to find erm the money for the rust round the
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] window.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] And that must be checked.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] Because otherwise were gonna be erm dead trouble.
[Tony:] Hello Ben.
[Jackie:] Hello Ben, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, oh eh. Erm, right.
[Tony:] There we go.
[Jackie:] You haven't got it tucked in... Do you want a cup of tea?
[Tony:] Yeah that'll be good.
[Jackie:] And a bowl.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] And.
[Tony:] Keep that or.
[Jackie:] I wouldn't.
[Tony:] What you gonna do with these?
[Jackie:] Keep them.
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] Well,.
[Tony:] How did those get started?.
[Jackie:] Oh, that was, we opened those last night.
[Tony:] We did.
[Jackie:] Oh those are a bit hard.
[Tony:] Yeah, okay.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] What do you want in your roll then?
[Jackie:] You've got a big choice haven't you?
[Tony:] Cheese or cheese.
[Jackie:] Or Tuna.
[Tony:] I wouldn't mind some cheese.
[Jackie:] Cheese.
[Tony:] Do you want?
[Jackie:] No, I'll have some cheese and Marmite.
[Tony:] Right...
[Jackie:] These cheese slices are quite good actually aren't they?
[Tony:] Yeah, they're nice.
[Jackie:] There we are. Have we got any.
[Tony:] Is Christine having tea over at er Amanda's?
[Jackie:] Erm, I, well, that was the general idea.
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] But I don't know really what's happening, if she hadn't had anything she'll have something when she comes back.
[Tony:] Yeah, okay.
[Jackie:] Remind the over there.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] If her mum's got five hundred there, I don't know whether she'll want them or
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] stay for tea.... Yeah I was a bit annoyed with my... Oh crikey. See, they haven't actually send me a statement, that's... see what I mean...
[Tony:] Mm...
[Jackie:] That's why I have to keep an eye on it cos that blind and that, but it won't come yet, it wouldn't have been on that, that was priced it.
[Tony:] That was probably why you haven't got anything else on it.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] I bet they have a few Sony Walkman's disappear.
[Jackie:] Yes, sod that. I might send away for that last one.
[Tony:] .
[Jackie:] It's quite nice, it's sort of got.
[Tony:] Oh yeah, it's got a group of pleats and then a gap and then a group of pleats, mm.
[Jackie:] pleats,.. I think it's too late to order today but I'll have look through those leaflets.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Mm, china... china nativity plate.
[Jackie:] Oh they do have some rubbish.
[Tony:] Complete with stand, musical nativity advent calendar, plays silent night.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Tony:] Oh dear.
[Jackie:] We all
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] yeah... You want marmite on your
[Jackie:] Yes please.
[Tony:] Do you want lot's of marmite, little bit of marmite.
[Jackie:] Lot's of marmite.
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] Don't spread it like putty you know, but, quite a lot I like to be able to taste it where Christine just likes the flavour if you know what I mean.
[Tony:] Mm... I know why he's not happy.
[Jackie:] Why?
[Tony:] Well his box is down there innit?
[Jackie:] Yeah. He's thinking they're gonna go and leave me again.
[Tony:] He's right, but not for a little while.
[Jackie:] Tell Tony's gonna leave but actually has a go at me as well.
[Tony:] Oh yeah.
[Jackie:] a couple of times we went up there with er jogging.
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] He did nothing but sniff and sniff and sniff when we came back.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Now he's got to get used to another dog. Do you know what I mean?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] He thinks oh not again. What crisps would you like?
[Tony:] Er... what we got?
[Jackie:] There is a packet of cheese one's
[Tony:] Mm, mm.
[Jackie:] or skips or disco's?
[Tony:] Can I have the McCoy's? Okay I'll have the crisps then.
[Jackie:] Do you mind?
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] Seriously.
[Tony:] Yes, but never mind.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER], tough, you had the last cheese packet [LAUGHTER]. My turn.
[Tony:] I mind seriously but never mind.
[Jackie:] Actually I should leave that stuff.
[Tony:] Yeah, okay [television]
[Jackie:] I must admit I won't be terrible sorry if you don't see this it is a bit naff.
[Tony:] Yeah, it is a bit innit? Determined he's gonna have what's in that bucket isn't he?...
[Jackie:] looks so matted and knotted up, you can't ever imagine him being
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] able to be....
[Tony:] I'll er, get us a cup of tea. Okay?
[Jackie:] Yes.
[Tony:] Now I have to put you first on the list instead of me. Stay then.
[Jackie:] Why cos I went wow? [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] No you said what you're doing? You you spent first and then
[Jackie:] Have you got your door keys?
[Tony:] And they'll have great difficulty telling your voice and mine apart won't they?
[Jackie:] Oh yeah. Yeah. Great difficulty.], I
[Tony:] Oh you unlocked it?...
[Jackie:] Sorry?
[Tony:] You unlocked it?
[Jackie:] Yes.
[Tony:] I had my key. Thank you.... No.
[Jackie:] What?
[Tony:] They certainly whizz through here don't they?... Ha ha ha!
[Jackie:] Didn't they get the passport Christine's not here.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]... I haven't got the aerial up after all that I. I was trying to get the key out the aerial and it wouldn't come out. Funny.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah. And a car was approaching.
[Jackie:] It made my [LAUGHTER] one minute I thought help! [LAUGHTER]...
[Tony:] Look.
[Jackie:] Sorry.
[Tony:] That's all right.
[Jackie:] What you doing? You can't see surely.
[Tony:] I can write in the dark... I can't read it but I can write it.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Tony:] Huh... Ah!...
[Jackie:] Oh come on... [cough] till we get past it and turn around.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Are there head lights coming round there or not?
[Tony:] Headlight? I don't know that they're coming round.
[Jackie:] Yeah I know. Don't
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] I hate this junction.
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] Absolutely him....
[Tony:] Yes horrible place to get round. There's always that van parked on the corner.
[Jackie:] Yeah. And it's blind cause of all the bushes the other side.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] And you're always on the wrong side of the road [LAUGHTER] which doesn't help... Well he didn't expect that [LAUGHTER]. Did you see?
[Tony:] Yes I did. Ooh. That was close. Whip round there a bit quick.
[Jackie:] Goodness what a funny trailer [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Mm....
[Jackie:] God the steering's a bit better. Now that er
[Tony:] Firmed up the tyres.
[Jackie:] Firmed up the tyres a little bit. Oh!... It always feels very well not very slightly different to driver when you pump the tyres up. When they needed it you know?
[Tony:] Hm. Yeah....
[Jackie:] Cause the front tyres tend to go down more because they're carrying more weight. They've got the engine.
[Tony:] Mm. Yeah. They're also pulled about more aren't they?
[Jackie:] Well it's front wheel drive car so
[Tony:] Yeah.... And how long it will be before she says Dad do you think you could put the radio on.
[Jackie:] Yeah but some get in front of him... Thank you....
[Tony:] Okay?
[Christine:] We would've dropped her back.
[speaker005:] Yeah they know that so erm not to worry. You drive the car anyway. It's kind of you anyway. Okay? You didn't bring with you did you?
[Tony:] No. Thanks very much.
[Christine:] It's all [LAUGHTER] over for you. You'll probably see her in the morning. Yeah?
[Tony:] Yeah. Seems like it. Bye bye then.
[Christine:] Cheers.
[Tony:] Bye.ep
[Christine:] murder inside
[Jackie:] Oh wow!
[Christine:] two men like and you pull out this paper on the spot Murderer and er judge. If the judge
[Tony:] [sneeze]
[Christine:] and the murderer's got to wander round and kill someone
[Tony:] [sneeze]
[Christine:] and kill the judge
[Tony:] [sneeze]
[Christine:] and the mystery is no points who it is. If the judge doesn't get killed then erm... they... then the judge got to go around asking pe people questions.
[Jackie:] Oh. Great! How many were there?
[Christine:] Only erm
[Jackie:] There was Charmaine
[Christine:] Charlotte Charmaine
[Jackie:] Oh no Becky?
[Christine:] No Becky was gone. And we watched Home Alone.
[Jackie:] Oh! was it good?
[Christine:] Yeah. It was brilliant!
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Christine:] He had this trick and he had a blow torch and he burned off all this blokes hair. It was funny. He had a blow torch Mum you as he opened the door and the blow torch flicked off something. I don't know what it was and erm and the blow torch went off.
[Jackie:] Oh wow!
[Christine:] It burned all the top of his head and he hung a hot thing over the handle on the door -front door and so he put his hand on the handle and there was piece of skin it was all burned off
[Jackie:] Oh no!
[Tony:] Uh
[Christine:] In a circle...
[Jackie:] This steering is much lighter.
[Tony:] Is it?
[Jackie:] Yeah I'll tell you what it is. You know a lot of these big cars with really wide wheels.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] They've got some of them have got power assisted steering.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] And if just blowing up the tyres means you have a tiny bit more thre er tread on the road and it is a tiny bit.
[Tony:] Uh huh....
[Jackie:] Then... if it makes this much difference
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know what I mean? I can see why with big wide wheels some cars
[Tony:] You need would need it. Power assisted steering yes.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] It must feel strange though.
[Jackie:] Well no because it's still responds to you... you know?
[Tony:] Yeah...
[Jackie:] forty mile an hour zone.
[Tony:] And he just gone parked behind a bike with no lights.
[Jackie:] No he's got lights but they're er
[Tony:] Flashing.
[Jackie:] Flickering.
[Tony:] Oh no that's
[Jackie:] That's supposed to be like that?
[Tony:] They're supposed to be yeah.
[Jackie:] That's good actually because I saw that from a long way off and I thought what is it? I thought it was a... they are good.
[Tony:] Hm.... Makes you notice them doesn't it?
[Jackie:] Yep. Very much so.
[Tony:] Had that been a steady red light it wouldn't have been anywhere near as noticeable
[Jackie:] Noticeable no.
[Christine:] Mum when we Murder in the Dark Amanda was dump me and you're supposed to sort of do that isn't that right?
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Christine:] Just sort of hit them? And I felt and I said I did not kill her and I was the murderer and Shameer said check hit me but she didn't it felt like a hit and you don't accidentally do that do you?
[Jackie:] Well if it was dark and she couldn't see you she might have put her arm out and hit you it doesn't... what it feels like isn't always what it is if you see what I mean.
[Christine:] You could see a little bit... but not much. But it it was like it wasn't like a tap wasn't. We reckon it was that.
[Tony:] Uh huh.
[Christine:] And she said she hit me with her elbow and it wasn't it.
[Jackie:] Well it might have been her elbow Christine you mustn't be
[Christine:] It wasn't there you could tell it was
[Jackie:] All you could feel was that it was something bony. Now be fair.
[Christine:] It was bony and...
[Tony:] All right. I'd better write that down or I'll never remember it... specially with er what comes next?
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Mum:] From one to the other.
[Vicky:] Hello. All right
[Tony:] Hello
[Dot:] Hello
[Jackie:] All right. How are you?
[speaker005:] All right thanks.
[Jackie:] That's good then all right?
[speaker005:] Yes
[Tony:] That's nice. That'll be a bit crispy that bit.
[Jackie:] Oh it's you causing a again is there?
[Tony:] Yeah
[Mum:] Oh dear. I don't know.
[Vicky:] How are are.
[Jackie:] Everybody all right? Is it going all right?
[Tony:] Fine thanks. Yeah....
[Vicky:] You're early so no excuse. How are you?
[Tony:] I'm fine thanks.
[Vicky:] Oh that's good.
[Tony:] Yeah. Gonna be doing a course next week. Erm Monday to Friday. I'm running a course.
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Tony:] It's a five day course. By Friday I'll be on my knees.
[Vicky:] Oh. Is it a stiff one?
[Tony:] Well it's hard doing five days in a row like that. Cause you're talking and explaining things all the time and
[Vicky:] Better not lose your voice then.
[Tony:] In the lun no that's right... and in the lunch hour and things
[Vicky:] Yeah
[Tony:] You don't really get a break because you're getting ready for the afternoon.
[Mum:] Yeah
[Vicky:] Yeah
[Tony:] So you don't really get any break at all but on a
[Mum:] Looking forward to it?
[Tony:] Yeah it'll be good. It done I did it once before.
[Mum:] Where is it?
[Tony:] It's in Nelson Street and er I did it I've done it once on my own like this before.
[speaker005:] It's what?
[Mum:] No Bristol.
[Vicky:] In Bristol.
[Mum:] Yeah it is. It was the way
[Tony:] Hm.
[Mum:] You went to Sheffield and
[Tony:] Yeah that's right.
[speaker005:] Sheffield.
[Tony:] Yes I went to Sheffield.
[Jackie:] Yeah what I was going to say to you the only thing is will you put a plug up. There's not a plug on up.
[Christine:] I come up and put em up.
[Jackie:] I don't know how to put a plug up.
[Christine:] Oh come on Mum decorate your
[Jackie:] All right then.
[Mum:] If you don't decorate it up like she got her own decorations [LAUGHTER]
[Vicky:] She's got all all her decorations up
[Mum:] erm a hundred like erm twenty erm but Joe
[speaker005:] Right.
[Mum:] do you remember we got a bet on? But you wanted to go and see Jones now. She's got a great big outside on her slag over the windows and it's all lit up
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] I got sixty two onions. I been round there and got conkers Tell her about Joan's going to be a grandma. Oh yes Joan's gonna to be grandma.
[Vicky:] Joan's going to be a grandma in June.
[Mum:] Becky. Is Tony a? See who can get the trimmings up the and who can put the most up. Don't laugh. I've got my nerve ever since the twenty eighth of [LAUGHTER]
[Vicky:] Twenty eight of October.
[Tony:] October?
[Mum:] So Terry's going to board with stars now?
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Stars?
[Mum:] The joker who's up today and she got this boy whose had this section
[Jackie:] Has she?
[Mum:] So so we know roughly going up to get and make some stars and he's going to put chains and like all round these stars. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] I have them up the front bedroom window [LAUGHTER]. Even Phil's going to be
[Mum:] You'll be able to see them two houses from a long way away. Well yes. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Oh dear. Ours is prettier isn't it?
[Mum:] How's school going then Christine? All right my love?
[Christine:] Yep.
[Mum:] Do you like it?
[Christine:] Yep.
[Jackie:] I've got to do
[Mum:] What are you doing? Anything special for Christmas?
[Vicky:] Doing anything special?
[Christine:] On Thursday we
[Jackie:] They are doing a play.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] But if you buy any more of you'll blow up.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] Will I see the great icing the great big father Christmas blow up one.
[Tony:] Oh yeah.
[Mum:] The only one
[Tony:] Oh is he? Oh that's great huh.
[Mum:] I going down again as father Christmas and she's got one.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] She's got what?
[Mum:] Yeah she got one
[Jackie:] Father Christmas on a step and a bleeding.
[Vicky:] Iris wants to blow up one.
[Mum:] I want to blow up one now.
[Christine:] I'll get you one that's easy to blow up.
[Mum:] All right.
[Vicky:] And then on top of it what was it? I reckon we have to pay for it aren't you?
[Jackie:] What?
[Vicky:] Terry said we might go and get another set of outdoor lights because we can do with another set at the back.
[Mum:] Is one?
[Vicky:] Yeah. But for now he's No. I've not got a proper Christmas tree out am I?
[Tony:] No you're not going to put a Christmas tree out.
[Mum:] he likes putting it up outside the front door and put these lights on it.
[Tony:] awful bad smells all septic.
[Mum:] Yes she's going to need
[Vicky:] Are you squeamish Jackie?
[Jackie:] No.
[Vicky:] What you been?
[Mum:] What it ever since last August. I've been treating it as a wart.
[Vicky:] A wart?
[Mum:] A corn and I've been putting corn plasters on it
[Tony:] Hm.
[Mum:] but so I'm going to ring up tomorrow and see if I can see her.
[Tony:] Yeah
[Mum:] Otherwise it'll only get worse. Now I've got one coming on the other toe. The other side.
[Jackie:] Oh no.
[Mum:] It's what but it's only very small at the moment like a dry skin.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Mum:] But I can't rid of it. I've been treating that since I bought corn plasters Because it should have healed up by now.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah all that time. Definitely. You're not putting anything
[Mum:] No.
[Vicky:] You need to have a tetanus injection.
[Mum:] So I don't go outside by the time you've finished.
[Vicky:] So yes. You want to get down there don't you now?
[Mum:] Oh and Terry he might put a bloody great big sign up over bus. Do you know what I mean? About bus lights on. The travel one and Yvonne's got hers up. I've been over Yvonne's
[Vicky:] Yeah
[Mum:] and expected she hadn't got as much as she
[Vicky:] No I've been over Yvonne's and yeah I said to Yvonne I ain't got she said you'd be bloody going if you can't get [LAUGHTER]. I said Terry's not going to complain about my
[Mum:] Oh you ah!
[Tony:] Ha ha.
[Vicky:] Are you feeling cornered Tony?
[Tony:] No. [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] We don't put up a lot of decorations around the place. I like a really nice simple
[Mum:] Yeah that's nice.
[Jackie:] And we've got we got we've got
[Tony:] We've got to have more than a hundred lights on the tree otherwise it's not properly lit.
[Jackie:] No and we had to have what was it?
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] We haven't got a hundred and twenty and a hundred thirty and last year one of the sets which we've had since we got married we couldn't them to go no matter what we tried.
[Mum:] ninety nine pence a set you've got to pay the VAT on top.
[Jackie:] Do you
[Mum:] No. It's bound to be good. They do everything. I'll tell you what... it's Christmas I'll tell you what. Do you know bike?
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Mum:] I paid for that thirty two pounds.
[Tony:] Good grief.
[Mum:] You want to go down there. If you spent more than fifty pounds
[speaker005:] Yeah
[Mum:] You don't pay the V A T.
[Dot:] So you haven't got
[Tony:] Oh right
[Mum:] They've got
[Tony:] No no. Have you got to have a er card to get in or
[Mum:] No anybody can get in I mean and it's open seven days a week.
[Tony:] Wow where is it?
[Jackie:] What?
[Mum:] You know where... er the swimming bath with on it.
[Tony:] Speed boat
[Mum:] No.
[Tony:] Samwell Swimming bath.
[Mum:] Samwell swimming bath's one of moved er
[Tony:] Yeah?
[Mum:] No. Do you know where erm you know where the erm go over to er go over erm where the fire station is not the one that white white
[Jackie:] Whitemore.
[Mum:] Do you know where the swin er fire station is
[Tony:] Ah yeah.
[Mum:] Right. Then you got the fire station
[Vicky:] That's right.
[Mum:] Next to it. No. Next door to there was. Turn down that side bit and it'll bring you to the swimming baths. Turn and go past the swimming baths and take your first right and you're going more or less down to erm where that boy married what you
[Vicky:] Greenbanks
[Mum:] but as you go round you will see a sign Fancy Goods.
[Vicky:] Yeah
[Mum:] It's in
[Vicky:] house
[Mum:] It's a big verge. You've got to follow the signs. Go round into the Industrial Estate turn left your first left and right go right to the end and when you look right there's nothing
[Vicky:] There's nothing
[Mum:] There's just the warehouse
[Vicky:] But it is lovely inside
[Mum:] But it is absolutely stacked all electrical appliances televisions videos all your Christmas trim trimmings and decorations
[Tony:] Hm hm
[Mum:] erm
[Vicky:] And you haven't got to spend fifty pounds.
[Tony:] No
[Mum:] All your Christma no you it's better to have it. They do all kinds of cutlery plates and dinner sets. There's nothing down there. Stacks of toys
[Vicky:] Our Dawn's got a set of lights for two ninety
[Mum:] Two ninety five today.... They got the twenty there for er ninety nine pence.
[Vicky:] the Father Christmas
[Tony:] Hm.
[Mum:] They've got stacks of Christmas they got walkies they got everything. they got tables they everything for your kids. They got stacks and stacks of toys and a great big. It's very
[Tony:] And it's called Fancy Goods
[Mum:] It's called Fancy Goods.
[Tony:] Right.
[Mum:] And they're open ten till five on a Sunday.
[Vicky:] got to go round it.
[Mum:] I don't.
[Vicky:] Is it the
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] We'll find it.
[Mum:] You can't mistake it. If you're turn if you go past the swimming baths just past swimming baths and the fork the fork there on your right you take that one. Follow it around a bit this side you will see like a loads of cars. Right? And you'll a road going that way overlap
[Vicky:] And that
[Mum:] It goes into an Industrial Estate
[Vicky:] And that other place
[Mum:] And that's the road your want
[Jackie:] Just a minute I can't visualise once you get to the swimming baths
[Tony:] Yeah
[Mum:] They do toys of course.
[Vicky:] You can walk all round and have a look at the things and then go to the end and pay.
[Mum:] I took Herman over there. He knows where it is. Teddy bears from one fifty
[Vicky:] well? [telephone]
[Mum:] They got all sorts of video erm tapes.
[Vicky:] A chocolate factory.
[Mum:] Yeah that makes me
[Vicky:] had a chocolate factory can't they?
[Mum:] No that could fall down
[Jackie:] It'll be great Tone
[Tony:] Hm mm
[Jackie:] We can just zip round and pick your stuff up. And come out on the end of
[Mum:] Christmas cards Christmas lights.
[Vicky:] Yeah everything.
[Mum:] I can't tell you what they don't do.
[Vicky:] Yeah
[Mum:] All these ornaments any ornaments for Christmas like you know
[Tony:] Hm mm
[Mum:] Say you wanted a bike. I'll tell you what pay twelve pounds
[Vicky:] I want a poacher.
[Jackie:] Poach eggs?
[Mum:] Save four pounds over there.
[Tony:] Shh
[Mum:] Don't I Lorn?
[Vicky:] Yes lovey.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Vicky:] I do I want a poacher egg poacher
[Mum:] They does microwaves and all over there You got It varies from one week to the next what they got.
[Tony:] Yeah
[Mum:] They've got bikes
[Tony:] That's right yeah. They must
[Vicky:] It just snowballs
[Tony:] Yeah
[Mum:] And erm those. I don't know whether you've ever seen them. Have you seen those... and you've got like father Christmases in them.
[Jackie:] Oh I know.
[Vicky:] They're ninety nine pounds. I got two I bought four today thirty pounds each just about.
[Tony:] Even the winter times on it come and have a look.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Vicky:] They're ninety nine pence and I paid thirty pence for four today. You can buy a bag of six with a great big. They're only three pounds a bag.
[Mum:] Loads and loads of dinners there.
[Vicky:] I heard I heard
[Mum:] Loads and loads of tools.
[Tony:] Uh huh. Hm.
[Mum:] Screw drivers erm
[Tony:] Yeah
[Mum:] Spanners sets everything. They got electric. The same electric trains there thirty two.
[Tony:] Hm.
[Mum:] Clocks you know. And they've got grandfather clocks and all over there.
[Jackie:] It would be worth going and
[Tony:] Hm Yeah.
[Mum:] They've got and fifteen pence. Anybody wanting for kids for little kids or something.
[Tony:] Oh I'll see if I could get ideas.
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] Yeah. And they're open seven days a week you say.
[Mum:] Seven days a week morning.
[Tony:] Ah right.
[Mum:] And they're open for almost seven days yeah on Saturdays they're open I think they don't open on the Sunday until ten o'clock.
[speaker005:] Ah yes
[Tony:] Yeah
[Mum:] They got mirrors
[Tony:] No no working during the week it's really useful to have a place that's open on a Sunday.
[Mum:] They've got tights in there this week they got underpants mens underpants in fact he bought. They've got the women's fancy knickers over there and all in front
[Vicky:] They've got all the knickers.
[Mum:] It's so hot women and erm. Some of the ones I passed were two or three pound they're only a pound over there. It's probably
[Tony:] Hm. Yeah.
[Jackie:] I'll find my way over there and perhaps you can come out
[Mum:] That'll be nice. On Monday or Tuesday.
[Vicky:] You know wha they got. I tell you what else. You know these dances like to music.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Vicky:] Now they're about twelve to fifteen pounds
[Mum:] Oh day oh those are dear
[Vicky:] They're seven fifty in. Now I tell what else we bought over there. It's funny. It's alarm clock but it's in the shape of er bomb.
[speaker005:] Oh!
[Vicky:] Right. And it goes and when it goes off you have ten seconds to get up at night then [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] Quickly [LAUGHTER]
[Vicky:] And then he blasts off and he says we will try once more. When he does that again but as he keeps doing it he gets louder and louder and the bang goes louder and louder. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Hm I'm glad you told me about that Lorna
[Vicky:] I'll tell you what the old fashion alarm clocks they got.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Vicky:] And they're only one pound twenty five.
[Mum:] With the two old fashioned bells on the top.
[Christine:] the way I did now.
[Jackie:] Because we'll have to get you an alarm clock won't we.
[Christine:] You won't have any money left
[Tony:] Hm. Yeah Yeah.
[Christine:] Yeah what do you want to
[Tony:] What?
[Mum:] Are you Jackie.
[Tony:] Sorry? Yeah.
[Vicky:] There are nine over there for a pack of twenty for about twenty five
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah we'll go over and have a look.
[Vicky:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] But that's the point
[Vicky:] His sister-in-law brought a cowboy down for him.
[Tony:] Hm? Video tapes. Hm that's good.
[Mum:] About twelve. I'm not speaking to my sister-in-law no more [LAUGHTER]. Cowboy was on at half past two this morning.
[Tony:] Yeah. Dad we'd better go.
[Mum:] Marvellous. We'll be there and see what
[Vicky:] In private
[Tony:] Yeah that's good.
[Jackie:] All right my darling.
[Tony:] Cheerio then.
[Vicky:] Cheerio see you in a fortnight.
[Mum:] Yeah Yeah I do it all the time all go down the dock. Some going and some coming.
[Tony:] Looks like it.
[Mum:] Hello Rose
[speaker005:] Hello [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] Hello Pam. [LAUGHTER] Some coming some going [car alarm]
[Tony:] Done it again. Here we go [LAUGHTER].
[Mum:] How's Mickey all right.
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Hello David...
[Tony:] Ah!
[Mum:] today [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Ah yeah.
[Jackie:] Oh God!
[Tony:] Guess what?
[Jackie:] What?
[Tony:] I had my tape running.
[Jackie:] Oh you didn't?
[Tony:] I did.
[Jackie:] Oh God! [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] I had my tape running.
[Jackie:] You'll have a good one there.
[Tony:] The things is I got list everybody in the order in which they spoke. Would you like to try that one.
[speaker005:] Oh no thank you
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Mum:] Hello Lorn.
[Tony:] It's all right
[Mum:] Lorna!... Lorna!
[Tony:] Do you know you're part of a national survey
[Christine:] Why?
[Tony:] On the spoken word.
[Christine:] Why?
[Tony:] Because it's something I'm doing and I've just recorded all our conversation here [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] I didn't notice that the microphone.
[Christine:] I didn't know what it was.
[Tony:] I've got little microphone up here.
[Jackie:] Good God.
[Mum:] look [cough]
[Jackie:] Like like a survey down have you?
[Mum:] What have you recorded?
[Tony:] What I've recorded and just letting them have the tapes. And just keep a record of the time that I recorded it and er a little bit I've just got to give the first names of the people that were talking but it's done anonymously so there's no no problem with that.
[Mum:] You didn't tell him that I got my
[Tony:] No no no I didn't
[Mum:] Have a see what it's like.
[Christine:] Oh that was stupid.
[Jackie:] Ooh what was that?
[Christine:] That crazy fool run out there didn't he shouting out.
[Tony:] That was nasty. Bye. See you. Bye.
[Mum:] I knew there was some on it. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Oh dear.
[Vicky:] Cheerio.
[Tony:] Cheerio.
[Mum:] Yes yesterday she was straining the boiling water off the potatoes.
[Tony:] Hm hm
[Mum:] And it splashed back and burnt all her neck.
[Jackie:] Oh no! Chow!
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] And she burnt all her neck. Oh that was a good time to have it on Tony
[Tony:] It was
[Mum:] Conversation on that one
[Tony:] So you did
[Jackie:] I tell you what as well with directions to that place on there as well.
[Tony:] The only thing is I think I'd rather try and er find out now we know it's Fancy Goods and look it up in Thompson's local and then find out the address and then we'll find our own way down there.
[Jackie:] Ya.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Jackie:] My God!
[Christine:] No those posters all over the boards and there was head.
[Tony:] No we'd just picked up Christine from her friend's house and I had sort of half a dozen people [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] On there yeah
[Tony:] to on there to note down.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Somebody I'd never seen before said hello and
[Christine:] That was Shane's granddad.
[Tony:] Yeah. Aye.
[Mum:] You got some in there tonight then Tony?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Oh that's brilliant.
[Tony:] Oh I wanted I wanted not being mean I wanted to get Lorna because she's a classic example of the Bristolian accent.
[Mum:] Oh yeah yeah.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And I even noticed that she she was coming out with the thees and thous that that erm
[Jackie:] And that's what they want.
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] They want dialects and accents as well as and if you tell somebody you know it immediately stops them.
[Mum:] They don't yeah They talk start talking what they think
[Tony:] Yeah
[Mum:] is properly.
[Tony:] The note says sort of don't tell people until after or unless they ask you
[Jackie:] Or unless they ask
[Tony:] they ask you directly what they're doing and erm
[Mum:] No wonder our Tone went to sit down which he don't usually do.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] as you're being my mum you didn't keep us very long.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] It was er and when she got worked up about that Fancy Goods place [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] It was really
[Jackie:] It sounds ever so good though
[Tony:] It's it's really coming out.
[Jackie:] Surprising though cause normally a place like that can need a car
[Mum:] Car.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] The thing is I suppose they rely on word of mouth.
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] Yeah
[Mum:] They must do.
[Tony:] Well they don't they keep there prices down because they didn't spend a lot on advertising.
[Jackie:] That's right...
[Mum:] How's Windy?
[Christine:] All right.
[Mum:] Are you still still with us? [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Still captive is he?
[Mum:] Oh dear. Seems so funny having a Houdini dog. Seems so funny having a tall dog after having short dogs.
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Mum:] And he's all he's all legs.
[Jackie:] Oh. Oh they're beautiful.
[Tony:] Hm.
[Jackie:] It's odd though you get used to them.
[Mum:] Yeah. He really is all legs.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Mum:] He's got such a tiny little tummy.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Hm mm.
[Mum:] Big chested where their lungs are for running.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Mum:] And nothing but miles of legs
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Oh....
[Mum:] I must admit a whippet was the dog that I originally wanted.
[Jackie:] Yeah. Very timid.
[Mum:] It's just Yeah.
[Tony:] Hm.
[Mum:] The trouble is if you're
[Jackie:] Oh he'll come out
[Mum:] if you're the only one in house he follows you and you're looking for him and every time you're moving around he's moving around behind you [LAUGHTER] so you can't find him. I thought I wonder where the hell's he gone. [LAUGHTER]. I mean he was he was immediately behind me.
[Tony:] Oh ho ho ho.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Mum:] He just goes around and I can't find him.
[Christine:] You need to take your hand off him and put it round you. [LAUGHTER].
[Mum:] Yeah.... He he he keeps really close up to you when he's following you.
[Tony:] Hm.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Tony:] Oh....
[Jackie:] Oh I reckon they lovely. I really do whippets.
[Mum:] He's got a lovely little face on him.
[Jackie:] Yeah....
[Mum:] Cause I'm I'm so used to small dogs. It seems funny to me.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Mum:] I you we I got used to Wendy's. And you I mean people say whippets are not cuddly but they're just as cuddly you know you get used to picking them up.
[Jackie:] Picking them up and you get they put one paw on the settee like and I said no Windy and he went [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Oh.
[Mum:] Oh.... Of course when he gets over the timidness he'll probably get up to more mischief.
[Jackie:] I'll tell you what if he's six months old you'll have to watch him chewing as well.
[Mum:] Yeah yeah.
[Jackie:] Because he'll be losing teeth.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] And he'll chew. I only caught Ben chewing once. Ben was eight months old when we had him. He was a bit older
[Mum:] Yeah
[Jackie:] And I thought he's quiet and it was about a week after we had no twice. And once we had it was before we had all our carpet done in the hall
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] we had a rug at the top of the stairs
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] And he was chewing the corner of this rug and it was all soggy and horrible
[Mum:] Yeah
[Jackie:] And another time he went quiet and he was in the front room and when I went in he was chewing the leg of the settee
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] And that's wood. [LAUGHTER] And there's still the teeth marks on it now,
[Mum:] Oh yeah
[Jackie:] We can't get rid of them.
[Mum:] a lot about that when you went when they went last year.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Laugh.... Oh yeah that was lovely.
[Mum:] I was worried you wouldn't get the
[Jackie:] Yeah. [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] You left them in my pocket Remember when we went to Tesco's?
[Christine:] I thought so.
[Mum:] When you went into Tesco's.
[Christine:] I looked in my the other day and I thought I thought now I haven't got it now.
[Jackie:] I I thought I probably put
[Christine:] Put them away.
[Tony:] Huh.
[Jackie:] When you were looking at the door
[Tony:] He wasn't looking your way was he?
[Jackie:] No.
[Christine:] I expect you to put these in your pocket
[Mum:] And when I went to go to work I pulled me gloves what I thought out of pocket and was going to put them on and I thought er
[Tony:] Ooh. Turn the heating down a just a bit.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Different colour
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Oh no! It's all new. Anything you say menace here. Cause in the summer when the traffic lights are changing the trees are growing over the ones this side
[Mum:] Yeah you've got an awful job to see
[Jackie:] And all you can see is the red at the top on the other side cause the walls in the way. So if it's green it just looks as if nothing's there... which is a bit of a nuisance.
[Tony:] Hm.
[Mum:] You've got lots of lights on this one Christine. So that whenever
[Christine:] Oh yeah
[Tony:] They always seem to do a lot just here
[Mum:] Oh yeah.
[Tony:] This little shop... it's lovely.... It's only a sort of a hi-fi electrical goods place. It's only a little shop and yet it always seems to have lovely decorations.
[Jackie:] Tony you know you're prepping Monday and Tuesday
[Tony:] Yeah when
[Jackie:] Sorry?
[Tony:] I'm in Castle Week this week.
[Jackie:] Yeah no I'm talking about is it the week after your prepping?
[Tony:] The week after I'm prepping Monday Wednesday Friday.
[Jackie:] Do you need the Monday?
[Tony:] Er...
[Mum:] I'll tell you what I've just had a thought. Yeah yeah. I won't be able to because Jackie be at work on double shift.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah.
[Mum:] So I got to stay with the dogs and
[Christine:] Daddy I'm
[Mum:] Until he comes home from work.
[Tony:] Yeah
[Mum:] Cause he advise you not to leave them on their own for too long.
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Mum:] For the first fortnight three weeks
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Tony:] Yeah
[Mum:] That's what I was only be able to on a Sunday or something like that.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Mummy! You know what we're doing on our Christmas cabaret?... Have I told you about that?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] We've got an interview after school Wednesday...
[Jackie:] Well that's fine but you'll have to
[Tony:] Is it straight after school?
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Right.
[Christine:] We'll have to let Grandma know then
[Tony:] Yeah
[Christine:] Yeah but will I be allowed to?
[Jackie:] Well you'll have to. I mean Just the same don't walk on your own....
[Mum:] That's the only trouble when there's buses and that to catch. If you're got extra time it puts you right out. Catching a bus from
[Christine:] Mummy I walk home but I walk home really
[Mum:] What time do you actually break... up? What time do you finish school?
[Christine:] Erm half past three
[Jackie:] Twenty five days
[Christine:] we finish half past two
[Mum:] So if they kept your half day [cough] so that would be four o'clock. It'll be dark
[Tony:] And it'll be dark by four
[Christine:] Yeah. Normally I get home by about four o'clock
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Christine:] It's just started to get dark but by the time it's just started to get
[Mum:] Yeah. So it'll be just starting to get dark when you leave there?
[Christine:] Yeah.... Well as long as I can walk with Manda. If I can't walk with Manda then what do I do?
[Jackie:] Then you don't stay.
[Mum:] Make sure you get Manda
[Jackie:] in the dark.
[Mum:] If Amanda's not staying then you won't be able to stay will you?
[Christine:] No....
[Jackie:] It looks like some people going into the park lately.
[Mum:] Yeah
[Jackie:] Look at this!
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] Good grief!
[Tony:] People oversh over shooting that bend.
[Mum:] And there's an accident up by the Flying Fox is it? Up... end of airport road there up that way?
[Tony:] Oh!
[Mum:] Some erm... motorway police chasing a car evidently he went into the bollard and ripped the car open. They said he was lying in the road.
[Jackie:] Oh dear
[Tony:] Oh.
[Mum:] That was early this morning.
[Tony:] Yeah. Mm....
[Jackie:] Saw a brilliant light for a cycl.
[Mum:] Show Jackie in a minute... all that guff about laughter Michael's chest he's got back of his.... Now how's my other baby? All right?
[Jackie:] Love dog.
[Mum:] You my other baby. All right?
[Martin:] Yes.
[Jackie:] The other night though we walked round and we walked bang into the entrance to the field
[Martin:] Yes
[Jackie:] You know walked right the way down and you couldn't see
[Martin:] No
[Jackie:] He's he's gone
[Christine:] Hello Fred.
[Jackie:] Oh he's beautiful!
[Tony:] Laugh
[Jackie:] So you'll be all right.
[Tony:] He's a bit nervous I think
[Martin:] Yeah. He's very timid now. Yeah. Yeah last week.
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] Yeah. Yeah
[Mum:] He's definitely got
[Christine:] He knows everything.
[Martin:] Yes....
[Mum:] You're lovely!
[Christine:] And a bit of don't they.
[Martin:] Well he's never seen you before he's danger
[Jackie:] Yeah.... Oh he's lovely dog!
[Tony:] How he carries his tail
[Martin:] Yeah.
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] He won't carry it like that
[Martin:] Not walking yeah. That's nerves yeah.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Martin:] When he's out walking he's upright very up right.
[Tony:] Aha.
[Jackie:] And his tail will just hang then down between his you know...
[Mum:] Get it down my love.
[Martin:] It'll hang naturally. Yeah.
[Mum:] Did you get your what can you smell? Do you smell another little dog is that what it is? You smell another little dog? Hm? Do you smell another little dog? Tony have you got any change?
[Tony:] Have I got any change?... Change of what?
[Mum:] I thought I'd give Jackie three pounds forty eight.
[Tony:] So if I gave you one pound fifty
[Mum:] Yeah that's fine.
[Tony:] we owe you two pence
[Mum:] Two pence. Oh oh I can't do that. No way
[Martin:] No way
[Tony:] Jack.
[Mum:] Thank you. Tony's got your money.
[Jackie:] Oh lovely thank you very much.
[Mum:] Well don't read all the books
[Tony:] Okay.
[Mum:] You can give her what she wants as long as she puts it down on the... as long it's over fifty you can give her what you want. I gave her a pound.
[Martin:] Over fifty
[Mum:] I gave her a pound Oh you'll have to get him vaccinated.
[Martin:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Yeah cause he's had a temporary one.
[Martin:] He's had a temporary one. Yes. Yes.
[Mum:] But it's not the full vaccine is it? Within the first six weeks. It says you can... yeah. No he hasn't got that.
[Jackie:] Full one.
[Mum:] Full one.
[Tony:] How did you catch him?
[Jackie:] Didn't
[Martin:] I didn't
[Tony:] Oh yeah he dashed oh sorry.
[Mum:] He was playing down the dog's home in the car park.
[Tony:] So... How did they catch him in the dog's home that's what I was thinking.
[Martin:] Well he just just
[Tony:] Ah I see. Yeah.
[Mum:] They must of called him and he went in.
[Tony:] Oh!
[Martin:] come in.
[Mum:] When they came in to work they park their cars and he was playing in the car park. I mean it's marvellous. I mean you have
[Tony:] No how he found his way back again
[Mum:] Yeah. It's marvellous.
[Martin:] Don't forget he got to
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Martin:] It's not like a race track is it?
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Martin:] I mean you can't
[Jackie:] Oh maybe he's got the speed to manage it [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] He has. Yeah.
[Jackie:] He's not very er
[Martin:] He's getting better though.
[Tony:] It's marvellous.
[Mum:] ...
[Jackie:] sort of explosive.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] They go
[Mum:] Yeah....
[Jackie:] Oh he can... Oh this is this is micro chip wonder.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Tony this is bar code
[Tony:] Oh right [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Oh it makes you sound like they're groceries doesn't it? [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Yeah....
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Martin:] Yeah....
[Jackie:] I think
[Christine:] This one's been on before. Mummy!
[Jackie:] [cough] Oh.
[Christine:] Mummy this one's been on before. This one. There's two girls and they murdered this boy.
[Jackie:] Is that the first part was on last week? And this is the second part.
[Christine:] Yeah but I think this is starting. No that girl
[Jackie:] This is second the second part of this mystery. It's a two part mystery and it was on last week and it's on this week.
[Christine:] How did whoever get killed?
[Jackie:] They poisoned the mushroom soup.
[Christine:] I see.
[Jackie:] The mushroom soup.
[Christine:] Yeah. I know how they did that as well.
[Jackie:] Do ya?
[Christine:] Yeah. With erm toadstools.
[Jackie:] Yeah but all of them ate it and he was still he was the only one that died.
[Tony:] Hm. Yeah.
[Jackie:] We haven't done it yet. Because he's never off the lead.
[Mum:] No no.
[Jackie:] But you still think well
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] Hm
[Martin:] That's right yeah.
[Jackie:] You never can tell.
[Christine:] He didn't run out there once. In the really really windy weather
[Jackie:] Yeah he didn't go out.
[Christine:] The door got blow out front Isn't Mum? The door got blown open.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Martin:] You won't be the first in the front there.
[Mum:] Oh lovely. It's the ones that come up every year. Isn't it Matt?
[Martin:] Yeah.
[Mum:] It makes a difference. Is it perennial the ones they call them ones that come up every year?
[Martin:] Perennials.
[Mum:] I think so.
[Martin:] Perennials.
[speaker005:] Stomach pains. Violent pains. Can't you complain about anything else. Isn't that enough. That's what you get when someone throws the pans at you. Did your sister have any specific worries or problems? You mean apart from being married to him?
[Martin:] Are you all right?
[Mum:] I think Amanda's?
[Christine:] Yeah. We played erm game murder in the dark.
[Mum:] Mm mm.
[Christine:] Erm. You got this piece of paper and it's got murder victim policeman and judge.
[Mum:] Yeah
[Christine:] And you fold them up and you put them in something. You pull one out and whatever it says on there you've got to pick and if there are a policeman judge victim then you just walk around the room. If you are the murderer you've got to walk around the room and do that to somebody. And then they fall down and die and they give a signal er they scream and they pick something up. And then
[Mum:] Mm.
[Christine:] And then the judge has got to ask the people where they were and then you've got to clap something so they clap clap and then [cough] you've got to point at somebody.
[Mum:] Mm mm.
[Christine:] And... and then you just keep going like that. But one thing you've got to turn out all the lights. Everybody's
[Mum:] How many of you were there down there then?
[Christine:] Four. there was the murderer victim judge policeman.
[speaker005:] Oh when you have a dog from there and you can't keep it
[Jackie:] You can take it back.
[Mum:] You can take it back. Yeah but you must have it you mustn't pass it on to anybody else.
[Jackie:] Oh. If you find it too difficult to manage or
[Tony:] Hm mm.
[Mum:] But it's actually now made out as an adoption... of the dog.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] You don't own it. You adopt it to bring it back.
[Tony:] Hm hm.... What's that Dad? Oh!
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] You've been lovely.
[Martin:] Yeah Yeah.
[Mum:] They flatter him up there at didn't they Tony? Sparks flying out of the back of the
[Tony:] Oh yeah.
[Mum:] horses heels.
[Jackie:] Oh!
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Tony:] Quite a stocky horse wasn't he?
[Mum:] Oh yeah yeah.
[Tony:] Hm... So he's good really for you to ride him really cause he's
[Martin:] Yeah...
[Tony:] Mm mm.
[Martin:] That was your wrong.... my job.
[Tony:] Ah!... Yeah Granddad had a Consul didn't he?
[Jackie:] And a Rover.
[Tony:] And a Rover.... But before the Rover he had a Consul.
[Mum:] Mm.
[Tony:] Estate [phone rings] yeah.
[Jackie:] There's something here about bed. It says here don't put it likely to be very insecure and may misinterpret what reaction. It says your umbrella.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You can't get unless you've got a broom in your hand or a brush. It's not as bad now as it used to be
[Mum:] No
[Tony:] No
[Mum:] Stays awake.
[Jackie:] He walked he won't walk past you won't walk past you he'll walk back.
[Tony:] If you're hoovering. If you're hoovering he'll go all the way round to try
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] to try and keep away from
[Mum:] Windy don't like the Hoover. I put it on this morning he didn't like it.
[Tony:] Hm....
[Jackie:] Oh it's not that there isn't it?... There you've got a new friend now. Isn't that nice? All new friends.
[Mum:] Leave him alone. Fred leave Windy alone.
[Tony:] No thanks Dad.
[Martin:] Yes.
[Mum:] No he hasn't got any use of no. He's so good seeing he's only been here two days.
[Martin:] job.
[Jackie:] Mind you he'll change a lot.
[Mum:] Oh yes as he gets used to you
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Mum:] he'll got more lively.
[Jackie:] Yeah. We found that with Ben and he changed Ben changed when when he actually matured.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Because the postman milkman he didn't take any notice until he matured.
[Mum:] Yeah and then
[Jackie:] Then all of a sudden
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] You know and
[Mum:] But they are they're pretty docile type of dog but they're a chaser.
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Tony:] Yeah Yeah
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Jackie:] They tend to like
[Tony:] We've
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Yeah. And erm with a dog that moves that quickly he's not just a chaser he's a catcher as well
[Mum:] Yeah
[Jackie:] Yeah definitely....
[Tony:] I notice that with Ben. He saw something erm he saw a cat and he zoomed out the front door and he was gone and it's only when he lost sight of the cat he thought about where he was
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Tony:] He just went straight for him and you know he just didn't think about where he was going or anything and he
[Mum:] And when he comes to look round
[Tony:] He was completely lost
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] And as it was I could see him and I called him and he looked over and he saw me and he came dashing across all the gardens. He was ever so pleased to see me.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Yeah....
[Tony:] But... he see a cat and choo he's gone...
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Mum:] You know cause it's all been on here.
[Christine:] Yeah I suppose so.
[Mum:] I first when I come in this morning Fred was on his blanket. Then once this morning Fred's bum was on his blanket and Windy curled up by the side of him.... Well they can't be arch enemies to do that can they?... But when he gets up he unwinds.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] And curly
[Mum:] And then he stretches and he stretches so far
[Tony:] And he gets longer and longer
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] You wonder how much longer he's gonna
[Mum:] Can he get yeah...
[Jackie:] He won't get much bigger though from what I Wendy's dog he's nearly there
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] No. He's pretty much all brown isn't he?
[Jackie:] I didn't expect him to be quite that big but he
[Mum:] I said to you he was pretty tall.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Leave the door open a minute Christine it's a bit warm in here.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Shall I take the out?
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Oh year
[Martin:] I mean outside
[Jackie:] Oh no. It says in here six weeks.
[Martin:] Yeah
[Mum:] No with them being so fast it's not
[Jackie:] No.
[Mum:] Yeah but I think it's a period of six weeks.... [tv on] I mean that gives them time to become accustomed. He'll go backwards and forwards in that field so often.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] He said you weren't to let a new dog off the lead until he had for six weeks
[Christine:] Gosh!
[Mum:] I think perhaps if you go over the field after Ben she would make
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] After about six weeks you know.
[Tony:] He certainly seems to know his way around now doesn't he? [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] He can find us [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Especially us. It's the first time he's been brought out this way as far as we know
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] And er he wasn't walked up.
[Mum:] He was brought up in a car. It's fascinating how he found his way down there.
[Jackie:] Yeah....
[Mum:] I though
[Jackie:] He doesn't know where he lives
[Mum:] Round that erm I think he was found may I need to ask?
[Jackie:] Oh yeah. It's not that far is it?
[Mum:] Isn't it funny that Ben come from.
[Jackie:] Yeah yeah. [LAUGHTER]... And he's so lovely. I mean he don't although Fred is totally different breeding it's Fred's his eyes.
[Mum:] Yeah yeah it's very much like that.
[Tony:] Mm and the ears are very similar.
[Jackie:] Only Ben's stand right up. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] But flop down.
[Tony:] But Ben's flop down sometimes uh huh. Most of the time they flop down.
[Christine:] And he's
[Jackie:] Well not like that. If Ben was led like that he'd they'd be up straight.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] ...
[Tony:] I think there might be a whippet Jack Russel cross.
[Jackie:] He's very long in the body for a
[Mum:] Yeah
[Jackie:] small dog.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] He's got quite a long body which is what
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Did you have a good tea at Manda's?
[Christine:] I had a little bit to eat.
[Mum:] Oh good.
[Christine:] First er
[Jackie:] to answer me back
[Tony:] Mm. Do you know did it say how much it is? Hm yeah. We can think about it after Christmas. We can't do it now. Or next year. Yeah. Is it? Oh oh that's in good time. FebruaryMarch we've had time to get over Christmas.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And the massive amount of money we're going to spend on my birthday present.
[Mum:] Oh [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Oh yeah? [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Oh Windy got nothing of yours over there....
[Tony:] Why you're going to take me out to er Easy Runner aren't you?... Specialist running shop up in Saint Michaels Hill.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah.
[Mum:] They've got several in erm... I suppose they are sport they are sport shoes covers running.
[Tony:] Yeah. There are lots of shops about [dog barking] it's er sports shoes [dog barking]. There a lots lots of shops about that spell sell sports shoes
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] And they got shoes for squash and shoes for
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] And shoes for tennis and shoes for this and shoes for that. But this
[Mum:] But the other ones are for running?
[Tony:] yeah and they sell running shoes as well. But this one is a running specialist. They do nothing but sell equipment for runners. And the people who run the shop are runners themselves and you can sort of go to them and ask their advice on all sorts of things
[Mum:] What special
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] support and that you need?
[Tony:] Yeah all sort of things like that.
[Mum:] Mm.
[Tony:] Erm and not just shoes. You might go up there and er I dunno you what's what's a good way of getting myself seen when I'm going out running at night and things like that you know and they'll give you advice and they'll say well there's this you can use or that
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] Or you know... about all sorts of running problems.
[Mum:] Did you fill up your form about your voices.
[Tony:] Mm?
[Mum:] You've filled in your form about your voices.
[Tony:] Yeah I've done that.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER] [phone rings] What you put?
[Tony:] Hm?
[Jackie:] Shouting match. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] No I've got to put first name
[Mum:] Hm mm.
[Tony:] Occupation
[Mum:] Hm mm.
[Tony:] Male or female
[Jackie:] All this the first one on on that bit?
[Tony:] Well I reckon Aunty Iris was the first one cause she said oh hello
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] how are you? And then Lorna started.
[Mum:] Yeah Huh and then Lorna went on and then
[Tony:] And then
[Mum:] Lorna went on [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Yeah. And then you said something
[Mum:] Mm.
[Tony:] And I already had Jackie because Jackie had been speaking earlier on the tapes. So I put Aunty Iris and then Lorna then you.
[Mum:] Mm mm.... I was watching the television and then all of a sudden it's too late... and then found out it's hard work.... Notice I done your clothes cupboard out again?
[Martin:] No never noticed.... Oh all right. Yeah yeah yeah.
[Mum:] You were able to find it more easily weren't you?
[Martin:] Oh yes yes.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER] instead of being rolled up in a ball
[Jackie:] Oh [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] Jackie he was he was looking he was for something and he was looking for something in a hurry... and I couldn't find out I like T-shirts in one pile sweat shirts in another pullovers in another jeans in another but they were all sort of
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] I had to sort them all out again so you can see what he got up there.
[Tony:] I tend to put sweat shirts and jumpers together.
[Martin:] Yeah well what I do sometimes I wear a thing just once and I think well it's not dirty so I put it back in.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] That's right and a Parker pen.... No no I like a separate pile for sweat shirts and pullovers and jumpers.
[Tony:] Well the proper place is in the cupboard. It doesn't matter where but as long as it's in the cupboard.
[Mum:] No no. Oh yes it does. It matters.
[Jackie:] It's bad I know I
[Mum:] If you go up and want a T-shirt you go to that pile. If you go up and want a sweat shirt you go that pile.
[Tony:] If I want a T-shirt I don't go to any pile I go to the hangers. Because I hang my T-shirts up. [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] Oh [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] I hang my shirts and my T-shirts up. and my sweat shirts and jumpers I I fold up and they're all in together.
[Mum:] Well we don't together....
[Jackie:] It might be because I keep looking at mine and.
[Mum:] I must sort that out.
[Jackie:] Of course ours will be high up
[Mum:] Yeah yeah.
[Jackie:] so you can't push anything in the back.
[Mum:] No you you got a more or less get up on something to sort it out.
[Jackie:] Yeah so overdue for getting up there and sorting.
[Martin:] Erm [dogs barking]
[Mum:] Hm hm.
[Jackie:] So...
[Mum:] Good.
[Jackie:] But once I decide that's settled I'd notice it cause you couldn't seem to get down. All the others you didn't see cause they're down at the bottom so when this lot
[Mum:] Hm mm
[Jackie:] So that particular one seems to be late tonight. And it's as if it wasn't floating on the surface and it was doing all the things that fishes do but it was
[Mum:] Is
[Jackie:] What is it? They called it dropsy.
[Mum:] Oh yeah.
[Jackie:] This one they say. And they say it's very rare.
[Mum:] Mm mm.
[Jackie:] But they say the fish gets that's one one of the symptoms it gets very bloated out.
[Mum:] Bloated.
[Jackie:] They say if it gets it take the fish out and destroy it but it's knowing it
[Mum:] Yeah you might be destroying it and it might just over ate [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] That's right the fish won't you?
[Tony:] Ah ha... [cough]...
[Jackie:] Gosh!... He's got a coat just like Ben's hasn't he?
[Mum:] Yeah. Silky and er
[Martin:] ...
[Mum:] No I don't I made it like mug soup not plain soup.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] So greeny isn't it?
[Mum:] Yeah. [cough] Let the grain go well er matured [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Oh I loved that bit in Shogun I don't know if you remember it. Or whether you saw it at all. But they had er Richard Chamberlain shot pheasant
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] And he hung it up outside his house
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] To let it get... let it rot. Let it get gamey and he's erm Chinese assistant the person who has been assigned to sort of look after him and do his do his translating and things like that took it down and buried it [LAUGHTER] cause they didn't eat rotten meat they did [LAUGHTER]... Oh you can't beat a wet shave...
[Mum:] I don't like Gillette...
[Martin:] No....
[Tony:] You can't beat a wet shave... I find I find I mean people have said that oh having a wet shave makes my face sore and things like that. I find that using an electric shaver makes your face sore cause you're rubbing your face all the time. Whereas
[Mum:] But I mean with a blade it's only one
[Tony:] That's right
[Mum:] Yeah yeah.
[Tony:] and it's all I mean I use this gel stuff
[Mum:] Hm
[Tony:] which doesn't dry the skin dry the skin out or anything and erm it's just like washing your face with water. I mean it doesn't... I used to hate it when I was doing plays there and you have er grease paint on and you'd be you'd try and you'd have to cream on your face to get the grease grease paint off.
[Mum:] Get it off.
[Tony:] And so you'd be putting lots and lots of grease and much on your skin and then you get spots.
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] And you'd be trying to shave and you don't want to cut spots.
[Mum:] Err!
[Tony:] Oh! Horrible! [sniff]
[Mum:] And the cream actually brought you out in spots did it? That they were putting on or was it the actual make up or?
[Tony:] Well it's just it's not the the grease the make up or the cream it's the fact that you're you're putting so much muck on your skin all the time and it clogs up pores and causes spots.... Cause you have to put a lot of cream on your face to get the make up off... and you do that especially if you're doing two performances a day... it's an awful lot mess and much you're putting on your face and you can't get it all off...
[Mum:] Done anything about a Christmas presents yet Jack? Yeah.
[Jackie:] which [cough] got a lot more space.
[Mum:] Oh!
[Jackie:] Three drawers down one side and it's got it
[Mum:] Oh!
[Jackie:] And there's a support the other side is a book shelf.
[Mum:] Oh that's nice.
[Tony:] Hm.
[Mum:] Yeah
[Christine:] got one exactly the same as that except it's wooden. It's got three doors one side and a book shelf the other side.
[Tony:] Hm.
[Christine:] It's wood. It's got red handles.
[Mum:] As same as
[Tony:] Is it nice?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Where's that Grace is it?
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Hm.
[Jackie:] It's like you know at the moment
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] On the bookshelf of the side.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] You might be able to decide which side you want it on then Christine.
[Christine:] Yeah
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Because if you're right handed
[Tony:] It's a flat pack Yeah.
[Christine:] Mum is it wooden?
[Jackie:] I don't know. It's erm
[Tony:] Well it er it will be wood but whether it's covered over whether it's wood grain or whether it's white or I don't know.
[Mum:] They might have a selection. They might have it done in white black and wood.
[Tony:] Hm....
[Jackie:] So we I think we might go with mightn't we?
[Mum:] Hm mm.
[Tony:] Hm....
[Mum:] Did she decide what she's doing with her money yet? Still making less [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] She's more or less she's er
[Tony:] We're gonna have to hurry up now.
[Jackie:] Yes. She's going get Aunty Iris'
[Mum:] yeah.
[Jackie:] And if there's any over she might be able to get some other bits for it.
[Mum:] Desk yeah.
[Tony:] I mean she she might want to buy... a nice desk. No she's got a desk tidy.
[Jackie:] She's got a desk tidy.
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] What might be an idea is to get her some good blotters. Not ones with blotting paper.
[Tony:] No no I know Yeah I know.
[Mum:] Yeah because this one because it's easier to write on than er than a wooden.
[Jackie:] Yeah it's like er a very a layer of plastic with a very thin layer of sort of felt underneath. So when you write it's soft. It's was like you were writing on a writing pad. Because you don't feel right on wooden table it's quite hard isn't it?
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Well it makes it it's a nice soft surface for you to write on.
[Christine:] You mean something like sort of like a board. Like Daddy had in
[Tony:] That's right.
[Christine:] Yeah only
[Jackie:] This After having a think. I reckon most of your books will go in that bookcase. Which would mean you could you could have your work
[Christine:] I could put my little shell boxes on top of the shelf.
[Jackie:] That's right. You could put all sorts of little things in there. But let's wait and see cause I'll take you out and we'll have a look. Perhaps next weekend.
[Mum:] Yeah. What is it another free weekend?
[Christine:] Right I reckon I'm going to get...
[Tony:] [cough] he just folds up.
[Mum:] Peculiar. You'd never think he'd go into that sort of ball. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] I must admit they're lovely to cuddle because they do curl up into a ball. They love cuddling.
[Christine:] Oh yeah.
[Jackie:] Let's wait and see.
[Tony:] See what we can get.
[Jackie:] If there isn't any chance you could get a
[Christine:] I'd just love to get that.
[speaker005:] Could I?...
[Christine:] Make it first on the lead. No. Because I think Thursday Daddy'll be working. Oh yeah well
[Jackie:] You've got to have it when... there's least disturbance.
[Tony:] There are... two problems with that. There are things certain things I'm committed to and... to have... time off means I still got to be able to do those things. Do you see what I mean? So I've got to watch that. But I could manage. I could certainly manage to have a half day.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And if we we're looking around in town.
[Jackie:] Well we will be.
[Christine:] Could I have a day off?
[Jackie:] It's a bit late.
[Tony:] Okay but
[Jackie:] This is it. If we going out
[Tony:] you'd have to you'd have to come and get me and we'd go straight off.
[Jackie:] Well the thing is
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] The thing is.
[Tony:] The other thing erm is that I haven't got any leave.
[Jackie:] Oh hell no! Of course I've got my leave
[Tony:] Yeah. I haven't got any leave. What I've got enough leave to take the time off over Christmas. That's all agreed. But I haven't got any extra. And I already took a half day off flexi leave.
[Jackie:] Daddy'll we'll have to do it.
[Tony:] I've already took a half day off flexy leave to have my driving test last week
[Mum:] And if you do it on the tenth
[Tony:] Hm. Erm and I really want to... I will build up some more time but I haven't got any to take at the moment.
[Jackie:] Look we've got to sort your bedroom out first. First job.
[Mum:] You don't have it till Christmas anyway.
[Christine:] Oh but
[Tony:] Now I don't get any more leave till February now. I've got some leave
[Jackie:] You'll have to get it first.
[Tony:] But what I've got booked is that I finish... when's Christmas? Is it a Wednesday? I finish the Friday before that Wednesday.
[Mum:] That's nice.
[Tony:] And I don't go back until the Thursday after New Year's day
[Mum:] New year's day. That's lovely.
[Tony:] And we've both got that lecture time off and so... but that's used up all my leave. I haven't got any more to take until after February.
[Jackie:] Well how do you feel either tomorrow night? No perhaps not tomorrow night. Tuesday night about seeing if we can do a bit more sorting out in her bedroom. Cause if we leave it all till the weekend we don't do it. You know what it's like?
[Tony:] Yes.
[Jackie:] Specially now Brian's got your driving lessons instead of the middle of the day?
[Tony:] Yeah. The only other thing is to er... it's no good. We've got to do things in the morning.
[Mum:] Yeah. It opens till nine o'clock any night.
[Jackie:] Erm I don't know.
[Tony:] But but if you if you wanted to er come and meet me from work... we could go straight off somewhere then.
[Jackie:] Yeah but you see the thing is that if I come and meet you by the time you no point. We don't get home till ten to six. So that if we have to go to Brislington we won't get there until ten to six. You know what it was like when we went to Tescos. Be fair... after work.
[Tony:] Yeah but it's open till eight o'clock.
[Jackie:] Oh yes it's open till eight.
[Mum:] If they were open till late you could er
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] You know a lot of places that will be open late. All the shops in town are open late on one night a week.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] But I can't remember what night it is.
[Jackie:] I'll phone them up then and see.
[Tony:] I believe... in in town.
[Jackie:] What? Or easier still I'll tell you what.
[Tony:] Hm. mm.
[Jackie:] I'm going into Tesco tomorrow
[Tony:] I've got a feeling
[Jackie:] If I get back
[Tony:] Yes.
[Jackie:] God knows where M F I is in If I get him to drive me round now I'll remember which way to go.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] It's not very far off the beaten track
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I'll have a look round
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] And then we'll have to see if we can sort out something else.
[Tony:] I mean
[Jackie:] Because we'll find it. On the weekend we've got so much
[Mum:] Yes you've got no time to do it.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] We don't get a chance. What we're trying to get the washing and ironing up together and the house work and everything is well you just don't get time to do it.
[Tony:] Hm.... We did have this problem before but we started earlier didn't we? Last Christmas?
[Mum:] No.
[Tony:] Oh no I we had some time off didn't we?
[Jackie:] Yeah we did.
[Tony:] I haven't get any time off I can take now.... I could possibly have a half day next Monday.
[Jackie:] Well let me go over and have a look at it and see what they've got. They may have more than one...
[Tony:] Because this week I'm I'm doing a five day course I tend to add on about an hour to my time... every day.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Cause I tend to do half past eight till half past five with no lunch. [LAUGHTER] If I do that that's five hours I'll have built up in one week.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] So I could take out half a day
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Tony:] then.
[Christine:] Come on Fred.
[Jackie:] Super Fred. His little legs will going so fast you won't see them [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah zoom! There'll be Fred waddling along. [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] He's all legs....
[Christine:] Hello there!
[Margaret:] Hello.
[Tony:] Hello.
[Margaret:] We haven't even had a yet Tony.
[Tony:] Oh dear.
[Margaret:] round there that Pauline brought but
[Tony:] Glad I came.
[speaker005:] Tony, your office isn't in there.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] I thought they'd hidden me away in a cupboard....
[speaker005:] Hello. Hello. I think it's to that one Yeah cos er and if you say for all enquiries please call that. They... Yeah. They do actually call that Yeah. still don't know that this isn't office. Good. Thank you very much for. It was really nice. Pleasure.... Well... can we deal with any of their enquiries? I don't know
[Jackie:] Hello Tony. How are you?
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] How's it going?
[Tony:] It's alright. Not too bad. But erm... the only thing is the er... you did the put together a document, file
[Jackie:] Yeah. Oh.
[Tony:] So...
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Let's pretend then is it?
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] So like the space you did?
[Tony:] Yeah.... And let let them have one... I had... something
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Erm... can I apologize in ad, in advance Tony, but on Wednesday morning Yes? we shall need to interrupt just very briefly to move a couple of things out. Yeah. That's okay. Alright? Erm... I'm asking for it to be done first so hopefully Mhm. it'll be while you're settling down rather when it's your er Good. We, we're starting at nine Yeah. so you know. Well I'm hoping they'll come at half past eight. In which case... we'll be finished before you get there. Just in case. I think it's only three items to be moved out... for you. Not stuff to be moved in. Good.
[Jackie:] So you've got some
[Tony:] I got eight.
[Jackie:] You got eight?
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] Mm [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] It's something I'm doing at the moment.
[Jackie:] Really?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] So if, if you wanna be wiped off... I can do that. [LAUGHTER]... But if you've no objections?
[Jackie:] No, none at all.
[Tony:] That's alright. It's all in this thing here. It's just that er... I'm telling everybody.
[Jackie:] Mm. How did you find out about that?
[Tony:] Ah somebody approached me. Came to my house and
[Jackie:] Mhm.
[Tony:] when we they found out what sort of... job I did
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] their eyes lit up. Cos they were trying to fill their quota
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] and they couldn't find anybody living round by me that were employed.
[Jackie:] Oh [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] So [LAUGHTER] Certainly not in my age group.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] So er [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Oh, brilliant.
[Tony:] So I get the little gift voucher. It just means sort of walking around... recording
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] It's no problem. And they give me all the equipment I need.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] So er
[Jackie:] Mm. Great.
[Tony:] I, I thought that everybody would... I haven't done it on erm... I was wondering about recording a training session.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] But then... first day I was with them. It's the first day I've been with them and I thought... I don't know. See how it goes.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] I might... might check them out to see if they would mind if... we did something later on in the week.
[Jackie:] Mhm.
[Tony:] They've got to do it till Friday
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] anyway.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] So... going to be talking to won't you? [LAUGHTER]. actually it doesn't matter because it's
[Jackie:] they'll think their offices have been bugged.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Oh it's good.
[Tony:] It's quite interesting.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Better show Margaret as well.... Margaret.... Can I just... show you that.... Okay? Yeah.... Where's this come from? Well it's erm... something I'm involved in. And er... something... I switched the erm recorder on just before you walked in to see if it recorded. What for the whole of the morning? No... no, no. Just... just when I was here. Just a minute ago.... But er if you've any objections I'll wipe it off but All I can say is that people who hear my voice keep saying... don't you sound like Pam Ayres.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Who comes from a totally place to me.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Yes, one or two. Yeah. Erm... Oh I was just trying to remember what, what was said.... Something to do with... Ah Jerry said something quite good about... availability. Erm... like you can't... although peop people will go for jobs, now produce proof of jobs they've applied for. You can't tell whether they really want the jobs or not.
[Martin:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And and it is
[Martin:] So they're actually seeking then?
[Tony:] Yeah....
[Martin:] Well I suppose not really.
[Tony:] No. It shows that they've applied for the job. It doesn't show that they wanted it. Yeah. They really tried. Yeah. There's no way you... can know that unless you've got the from the Job Centre that these And gives feedback on how they turned up and Yeah. and all this sort of thing. Yeah. But er That's what really makes something, something very odd came out of that, this Ann... said something I thought... what? [LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] And... and the thing is I didn't understand it. So it's quite difficult to remember exactly what she said. Mm.... Erm... something to do with... no. I can't think. Trouble is when you don't understand it it doesn't sink in. No that's right. But everybody sort of. I remembered [LAUGHTER] Have you? Yeah. It's a bit like a single office group. sitting in and we're trying to split them up cos we don't want too [lot of background noise] Yeah. Which, which they did. But they've gone back now to sitting altogether. So. What's a data type for changing date of birth? Thanks. I couldn't, I was asked and I just couldn't think of it. Yeah And there were no guide fives. No. Otherwise I'd have said... look it up. [LAUGHTER] Yeah. And I didn't have any Treas keys so I couldn't tell them to use the... help service. All my options were gone.... Oh, Judy... asked after you. How, how you were getting on. So I said you were getting on okay
[Martin:] You lied you mean.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Martin:] Yeah, she's nice, Judy.
[Tony:] Yeah....?
[Jackie:] Yes. She fell about... at one point. When I said thank you for that.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] Evidently she was sta, she was a trainer at one point was she? Yeah.
[Jackie:] Yes up to about... four months ago.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] So they use trainer speech Yeah. So I'm having to watch that.
[Tony:] Martin....
[Martin:] even numbers but Tony got thirteen
[Tony:] Yeah. That's great. It's my birthday on the thirteenth.
[Martin:] Is it?
[Tony:] Yeah. Erm... always been lucky, especially when it falls on a Friday. Really lucky.
[Martin:] That's this year isn't it? Friday the thirteenth? This month?
[Tony:] Ah. Not, not this month, no. February. Whenever it falls on a Friday it's always a very good birthday. Erm... I've put these codes in my box.
[Martin:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Being nice.
[Martin:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And sort of not wanting them to go astray.
[Martin:] Yes.
[Tony:] I've now got them on my desk and I don't know where to put them.... Could you politely suggest [LAUGHTER]
[Martin:] Those three cabinets.
[Tony:] Oh right.
[Martin:] Alright. So research sort of
[speaker005:] Ah.
[Tony:] Huh. I've lost my bearings now. I don't know where anything is. Well I [LAUGHTER] I want... the cabinet with all the supplies for the trainees. For erm... tea, coffee and stuff. Yeah.
[Christine:] Tea and coffee?
[Tony:] I know it was... was it on the bottom of the A to Z thing?... I wouldn't know. The A to Z file's in there. There's a big Tony. A to Z files in? The A to Z files are over there. Right. I think that's where it is. And. Yeah there's only two lots of cabinets. One lot over there and one lot there. Paid the phone bill and the Access.
[Jackie:] Oh great.
[Tony:] Okay. And I'll go and see the building
[Jackie:] this morning.
[Tony:] Oh!
[Jackie:] [blowing nose] knocked at the door at ten past eight.
[Tony:] Oh!
[Jackie:] And he kept persisting because he saw a light on.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] You know? So I didn't know what. through the door again the bugger.
[Tony:] That's right.... Ah.
[Jackie:] Our dad had a... you know?
[Tony:] Mad, innit?
[Jackie:] Oh I haven't got much to do now then. That's one skirt, two sweatshirts. And your jeans and that. I've nearly done, about another quarter of an hour or so.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] Okay?
[Tony:] Yeah..... Make us some tea okay?
[Jackie:] Okay.
[Tony:] No the course went alright today.
[Jackie:] Good. Are they a reasonably nice group?
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] They're not, you haven't got any troublemakers?
[Tony:] No. One or two a bit odd.
[Jackie:] A bit odd!
[Tony:] But they're alright.
[Jackie:] What do you mean a bit odd?
[Tony:] Erm... there's one girl who's a bit erm
[Jackie:] Weird? Define odd [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Er... She's very... very sure of herself.
[Jackie:] Oh one of those.
[Tony:] But she's wrong. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Yeah. Oh well I'm sure you can knock her into shape.
[Tony:] Oh yeah.... say
[Jackie:] Find it a bit easier now you've done three as well?
[Tony:] I, I feel more confident, yeah.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] I just sort of say... no, er [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Yeah..... Must turn that radio off. It's driving me nuts actually.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You can have too much of a good thing.
[Tony:] Or a bad thing as the case may be.
[Jackie:] Yeah. I've been listening to it... for a while.
[Tony:] Mhm. I've got a... oh I've got a carol practice tomorrow.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] So I'm not gonna be able to get to the building society until Wednesday.
[Jackie:] Well that's their tough luck. It's their mistake.
[Tony:] Yeah okay.
[Jackie:] So
[Tony:] So long as you feel like that.
[Jackie:] I'm not that brokenhearted and I'm, no I'm annoyed. Does the standing order form say what day of the month it's to be taken out on? Do you have to fill that in?... On the such and such day of the month innit?
[Tony:] Don't think it does.... Cos I filled it all out and I don't remember having to... if there had been anything like that I'd have asked you about it.
[Jackie:] No I'm fed up with them. This is twice now they've done this to us.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know. They
[Tony:] Yeah. Well I'll go in and see them and sort it out.... But
[Jackie:] Only I've got a horrible feeling if it's
[Tony:] not until Wednesday
[Jackie:] not done... by now
[Tony:] It won't be right this month either.
[Jackie:] It won't be right this month either, but if that's the case
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] we can write an extra cheque.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know?
[Tony:] That's right.
[Jackie:] But I'd rather if you didn't mind that you did go in and sort it out cos she said... well put a cheque in the envelope with the standing order form but I mean
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] That's just... they've already... putting it frankly cocked it up once.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Another opportunity for them to do it again.
[Tony:] That's right....
[Jackie:] What cheque!
[Tony:] Yeah. I didn't see a cheque!
[Jackie:] There wasn't a ch, just a standing order form, that's all we got. You know?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] [shouting] Cheque number blah blah blah [] written on
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It doesn't make any difference, it's just... you know... hassle.
[Tony:] Yeah....
[Jackie:] This skirt is horrible.... I was keeping it for cleaning the car. And I'm having to resort to
[Tony:] Oh....
[Jackie:] some paint splashes.... I'm looking forward to our tour round the chocolate factory next Wednesday.
[Tony:] Yeah it'll be nice.
[Jackie:] Be interesting.
[Tony:] Next Wednesday?
[Jackie:] Yeah. Erm
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] We'll go out and see Auntie Bettie before then. So
[Tony:] Mm. I'm not in class next Wednesday.
[Jackie:] Oh great.... The only fly in the ointment is if it starts at seven, it's going to be a bit of a rush. Cos you don't usually get home until ten to six.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] And after all the fuss that's been going on in work I don't really like to ask to go early.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] If you see what I mean.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] But....
[Tony:] I got two Helens in the group.
[Jackie:] Oh that's nice. Helen, yes yes [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Luckily they've sat themselves on opposite sides of the room.
[Jackie:] Oh that's good. So you look at one.
[Tony:] Yeah. So I can look at one and say Helen?
[Jackie:] When they sit together you've got problems.
[Tony:] Yeah! Fine.
[Jackie:] Er.
[Christine:] Mum!
[Jackie:] Hello.
[Christine:] Can you do my coat for me.
[Jackie:] Pardon? Take everything out the pockets and then
[Christine:] Okay
[Jackie:] do the buttons and the zip up. Will you?
[Christine:] Yeah....
[Tony:] Better bring my book up to date. I've
[Jackie:] See what I mean about that skirt?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's horrible. Is that beer alright that I bought for you?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Yeah I... I had a vague recollection of you drinking Newcastle Brown sometime and quite liking it.
[Tony:] You certainly did.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] And I know you quite liked this didn't you?...
[Tony:] Yes... I did.
[Jackie:] So
[Tony:] It's quite strong, but
[Jackie:] Well.... Well it says strong lager, that's why I bought it.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Stop saying yeah... in that tone of voice. I found in the bottom... can I talk to you while you're doing that or?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I found in the bottom of the freezer... some pork... that I didn't know we had.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Pork loin steak and
[Tony:] Mhm
[Jackie:] two packets of chicken breasts that I didn't know we had.... So in having a clear out I
[Tony:] Oh good.
[Jackie:] It was quite good... today.... But I've thrown a few things out, as well. That were... in the freezer and they'd obviously been in there for a bit too long.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] So a couple of bits have gone.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] Oh that was a disappointment, there's another sweatshirt lurking under there that I didn't see.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] Ooh.
[Tony:] Gonna have a cup of tea in a minute?
[Jackie:] Yeah. Whenever it's ready actually cos my back's aching so
[Tony:] Okay. Well it's made. I've only gotta
[Jackie:] Well if you go up to
[Tony:] pour it out.
[Jackie:] I'll finish this last sweatshirt and then I'll
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] have a sit and a cup of tea.... see in a minute something's gonna go in that I swear it is.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] I've narrowly missed it about three times already....
[Tony:] Now the problem with them doing a course the worst... the worst bit is erm... [sigh] the Wednesday....
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] You're not halfway through. Well, sometime Wednesday you go, you really go through it cos you... you're not... you're not halfway through but you're still... but you've done quite a bit. Yeah.... It was Wednesday night last time I did this course I felt really whacked.
[Jackie:] Yeah.... And you're gonna feel it this time as well because having that cold.
[Tony:] Yeah.... Think erm... I'm getting er... oh... getting better. Things don't throw me as much now.
[Jackie:] No.... Well it will I mean
[Tony:] Found out one, one of them used to be a staff trainer.
[Jackie:] Used to be?
[Tony:] Yeah....
[Jackie:] Well used to be's don't count.
[Tony:] Well I actually said thank you for that and she dissolved into fits of laughter.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Why did she tell you that?
[Tony:] So I I've got to avoid... no that's... I wondered. And she told me then, after that, why she'd laughed....
[Jackie:] No. Explain it again. You've lost me somewhere.
[Tony:] I said... thankyou for that... at the end of an exercise.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And she said... and she di dissolved into fits of laughter. And I won, and... I didn't know why. Thanks.
[Jackie:] Have you poured out one for Christine?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Can you bring hers in, or she's gonna create hell [whispering] biscuits. She's had bran flakes. She [].
[Tony:] Mm. And er... so I said... she dissolved into fits of laughter so... after that she explained it by saying well I used to be a trainer and I know how... I got to avoid the stock phrases.... You alright?...
[Jackie:] Christine, there aren't enough biscuits for us to have one each. You can have a Snack if you want but if you do you won't have one for school tomorrow.... You've had two bowls of cereal, you're not starving are you?... There's some chocolate chip cookies out there if you want some.
[Christine:] I'm gonna have... there are some crumbs in those packets but they're impossible to get out.
[Jackie:] Oh well. Crumbs don't count. Don't worry about that.
[Christine:] No. They'll be... will they just get washed out?
[Jackie:] They'll get washed out, yeah. Erm... do the zip up and tie a bow in those strings.
[Tony:] Life-sense
[Christine:] Oh ow!
[Jackie:] What've you done?
[Christine:] Ow! Ow [crying]
[Jackie:] What've you done? Let me see.
[Christine:] [crying]
[Jackie:] Christine let me see, what have you done?
[Christine:] [shouting] There's nothing there. []
[Jackie:] What did you do? Bend your nail back?
[Christine:] Yeah.... I I could have sworn that they came off my skin.
[Jackie:] Feels like it but it's just where it bends back and it pulls it out straight. That's why it's... horrible.... Do you mind eating a bit later on?
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] I've st still got this sort of [cough]... this sort of
[Christine:] Are there any Rice Crispies mum?
[Jackie:] Oh aren't there any out there?... Oh that's it then.... I still got this little housewife feeling that it ought to be ready when you come in the door you know [LAUGHTER] [].
[Tony:] Well... there's a couple of hours of good telly on tonight.
[Jackie:] Good....
[Tony:] There's erm...
[Jackie:] Will I be able to move the car up... outside the house a bit later on? Did you notice when you came in?
[Tony:] I didn't. Sorry.... There's Telly Addicts.... And Life-sense?...
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Erm... Rumpole of the Bailey.... Er and there's erm... just trying to see.... A Mike Hammer film... st starring Stacey on... later.
[Christine:] I said
[Tony:] Okay.
[Christine:] I don't want
[Tony:] I'm with you.
[Jackie:] And I told her and she said I didn't hear anything.
[Christine:] It's good that.
[Tony:] Mm. It's alright....
[Jackie:] Christine. Do you trust my judgement about your desk?... So if I were to go out tomorrow and see one and it was nice
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] and I got it, would that suit you?
[Christine:] Mm.... Depends if I could have it still tomorrow or not.
[Jackie:] Well you can't have it until your bedroom's sorted out and
[Christine:] Yeah but once my bedroom's sorted out.
[Jackie:] Well you've been told you can have your desk and your chair, but you're not gonna have your lamp and... erm... some other bits. I've got an office supply shop right near me. You know I, we were talking
[Tony:] Yeah?
[Jackie:] about getting her a... a and that?
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] Probably get something in there.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Mummy, turn the television over please.
[Tony:] On to one. If you don't mind.
[Christine:] On to anything... but that.... I'm gonna do my french sheets.
[Jackie:] So I might ask dad to help me put on the roof-rack. The roof-rack isn't behind the steps is it? It's sort of on top of everything?
[Tony:] Can't remember.
[Jackie:] No, neither can I.... I'd quite like to record that Watchdog programme. In car
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] safety.... Oh
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER].... Little beetle pushing his... pile of whatever along.
[Jackie:] Well you know whatever don't you? [LAUGHTER]... It's half past seven that's on. In half an hour.... Wogan's going!
[Tony:] Yeah I see.
[Christine:] [shouting] Yes! [] Hip hooray... Mummy
[Tony:] So when are gonna get... they won't get, be able to get Jonathon Woss....
[Christine:] No way.
[Jackie:] Selina Scott or Ann Diamond or somebody.
[Tony:] Yeah.... Do you know when?...
[Jackie:] Erm... no. It's just, they just announced this morning that he's, and he's asked to go.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] It's not that he's being kicked out....
[Christine:] My pencil case is breaking.
[Jackie:] I know. It's only the lining though.
[Christine:] I really liked that... that one. And that one's great.
[Jackie:] I'll see this little bit then I'll go and finish that ironing and... would you record er Watchdog for me?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] On car safety
[Tony:] Do you wanna make a cup of tea?... If we're eating later...
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Have we got any crisps?...
[Jackie:] not a lot in there. I was gonna get some more tomorrow.
[Christine:] When am I gonna have my tea?
[Jackie:] Erm
[Tony:] I can get your tea in a minute.
[Christine:] No no I don't mind.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Ha ha... I just... she just said to me you any good at German []. I looked at it an I said that's French. And she said I know but are you any good at German.
[Tony:] Sorry. I'll erm... get some kitchen roll.
[Jackie:] Put tissue over it.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] What's this gonna sound like on that tape. [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] I know what I'm getting. I know what I'm getting.
[Jackie:] no look. Don't break them.
[Christine:] No.
[Tony:] Oh don't do that.... Right.... I don't mind. I don't mind. You choose....
[Christine:] Ooh.
[Tony:] Alright? Ah.... Is she a shepherd or just an old crook? [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Can I have a crisp
[Tony:] Oh dear.
[Jackie:] I must admit I like to see that, because... so many people, if a dog had to lose a leg they'd say put it to sleep, put it to sleep.
[Tony:] Mm.... Yeah
[Jackie:] And... why?... If you lost a leg they'd stick a false one on you or give you a set of wheels.
[Tony:] Mm. Right.
[Jackie:] So why kill it why kill a dog because it's gonna lose a leg.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] It's got... well you've only got two. You lose yours, one of yours and it's a disaster.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] If a dog loses one, well it's still got three to get on with, you know?
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's hardly a handicap at all to a dog.
[Christine:] It's happened to one dog and he learned to walk like a human [crisp packets rattling]
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Christine:] He walked like a human.. And he spun right round and he like that. And they said get up. And he rolls over and then he sort of put his legs up. I can't remember... no he sort of I can't do it.
[Jackie:] But to lose a leg for a dog is hardly a handicap at all.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Cos they've got three others. They just lose their balance occasionally.
[Jackie:] Well that's why a dog that limps slightly... very often there's practically nothing wrong with it.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] If it thinks it's gonna hurt it will limp.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah
[Jackie:] Whereas people, if you've got a painful leg you've got to walk on it. Whereas a dog might have a slightly painful leg and it will limp like hell.
[Tony:] Mm. Yeah.
[Jackie:] Cos it doesn't have to use it. [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Oh no we've got some really hard numbers... french if I had a dictionary I could look it up but I haven't.
[Tony:] Right.... Who can claim income support?
[Rene:] Er... to be over eighteen is it?
[Tony:] Erm... some people under eighteen can claim. Who are the main... area of people that we deal with?... A generalization for most of the people we see coming in?
[Rene:] Most people.
[Margaret:] Unemployed.
[Tony:] Unemployed.
[speaker005:] Unemployed.
[Tony:] Yeah.... So people who are unemployed... can claim income support.... Any other people apart from people who are unemployed that can claim income support?
[Mum:] Those on low incomes?
[Tony:] Low income, yes.... Anyone else?
[Mum:] Training courses.
[Tony:] Training courses.
[Mum:] You know? Like U T and
[Tony:] Right. They're actually paid a training allowance, which is related to income support.... But it isn't their income support.
[Mum:] Mm.
[Tony:] So anything... anyone else who might receive... income support?
[Rene:] Old age pensioners.
[Tony:] Pensioners. Yes.... Anyone else?
[Vicky:] If you're disabled?
[Tony:] Erm... yes but they normally receive their erm
[Vicky:] Disability allowance.
[Tony:] their own benefits. Yes related to disability. But yes they can if they don't receive enough from other means. Yeah.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Yes.
[Rene:] It's what the government
[Dot:] Think I heard that one... That's quite an old one
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] There's No it's alright. There's erm... there's one other erm... group of people that might be able to claim
[Rene:] One parent families.
[Tony:] Yeah. Single parents. That's another very common one.... Yep. Single parents.... Right. So what factors decide what you get under income, income support?...
[speaker005:] Your income I suppose.?
[Tony:] Erm...
[Rene:] means tested.
[Tony:] Yeah, yeah. So looking at somebody's needs... and what are the sort of things they're likely to take into account? Yeah
[Vicky:] How many there are in the family.
[Tony:] Income.... Er... how many in the family? Yes. Number of dep
[speaker005:] Number of children.
[Tony:] Number of children....
[Mum:] Is that opposed to the number of adults...
[Tony:] Erm
[Mum:] as well as.
[Tony:] As well as.
[Margaret:] Financial commitments.
[Tony:] Financial commitments.
[speaker005:] Mortgage Housing
[Tony:] Yes. Mortgage will... They will help with the mortgage. What happens about rent?
[Dot:] Get some housing benefit.
[Tony:] Yeah. They can claim housing benefit. That isn't income support, that's another benefit that they claim from the Local Authority.... So if they're in rented accommodation then they will need to make a claim to a Local Authority for that. What other things might D S S take into account?
[Rene:] Poll tax.
[Dot:] Savings.
[Tony:] Er... savings.... You mentioned poll tax. Erm another, another thing you can claim is relief from paying poll tax. So it's not directly linked with income support. You claim relief from the people who collect poll tax. But the fact you are claiming income support is a factor that they look at. So if you were... in receipt of income support then you don't have to pay very much.
[Rene:] So who are these people then that you... get relief from if you want help with your poll tax?
[Tony:] Right. You would claim that from your Local Authority. In the same way as housing benefit.
[Rene:] You've got housing benefit forms
[Tony:] Yeah. Yeah. Okay? Savings. Erm... something else that would relate to number of children, adults is also the age. The ages of the people in the house.
[Mum:] What, just of the children, or of the adults as well?
[Tony:] Well... once they're over eighteen age is immaterial.
[Mum:] Oh. Right.
[Tony:] But erm there, there are a couple of different rates at which er income support is claimed depending on how old the child is.
[Mum:] Oh really?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Dot:] What about the other er end of the scale? Somebody over sixty five or seventy five or eighty
[Tony:] Right. As I understand it there's no no banding at that end.
[Dot:] That's strange isn't it? Because there's a lot of erm pensions that are triggered off by the age of the elderly person.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Margaret:] Of course there, there are things, I mean there is the pension. There is also attendance allowance and there are various things like that which are... outside this.
[Tony:] Mm. Yeah. But they will take into account any special help that is needed for somebody who's disabled.
[Dot:] Washing. Extra, extra money for wa if they've got lots of washing to do....
[Tony:] So you can get special help if somebody's disabled. Oh you're right. There's a pension as well.
[Dot:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yes. Yes. Sorry.
[Dot:] That's alright.
[Tony:] Right. So. Let's have a look... has any, has anyone not seen erm B one?
[speaker005:] No I haven't. I'm not really
[Tony:] Right.
[speaker005:] Well... I've only seen the back of it. I've never looked right through it. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] So how, how many do we need?
[speaker005:] All, all
[Tony:] You have a look between the two
[speaker005:] You've been reading B one's all week. Have I? You've been reading B one's for weeks haven't you?
[Tony:] Right. Your rate of allowances aren't there because they go out of date so fast so I've got an extra, you can have one of these each... with the rate of allowances.
[speaker005:] Thanks.
[Tony:] And there's also... you may or may not have... the erm form which you claim relief for community charge and housing benefit... inside the form.
[Rene:] You have to have another one if you're in cou, if you're not in council accommodation from the l... which we issue as well.
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Rene:] . You get so much stuff from the N C A's who do that. The N C A's who do
[Tony:] Right. So... can I wipe this side off....
[Mum:] Ooh. That's not fair is it? If you're eighteen to twenty four years old and you're bringing up a child on your own.... You get the same as twenty five years and older.
[Tony:] Right. So if we look at a... a typical family. We have... wife and husband both over eighteen.... Both over eighteen. How much would they get?
[Mum:] Sixty two twenty five?
[Tony:] That's it. Sixty two pounds twenty five. Okay? Now if they had a child who's four years old, how much would they get?
[speaker005:] Thirteen thirty five.
[Tony:] Thirteen thirty five.
[speaker005:] For each child.
[Tony:] Okay? And then another child who is... sixteen. Right. That's right. So. What about if they're fourteen?
[speaker005:] Nineteen seventy five.
[Tony:] Nineteen seventy five. There you go.... And in addition to that there is a premium because they are a family. And the premium because they have at least one child is seven pounds ninety nine, ninety five....
[Martin:] So ev even if you had six children, you'd still allowed, still only get seven ninety five?
[Tony:] That's right. In addition to the...
[speaker005:] Yeah
[Tony:] Yeah, yeah. Okay?
[Rene:] I doubt if you'd have six children under four would you?
[Martin:] You could have I suppose
[Rene:] Oh well. Going back to what Jerry said you'd
[Tony:] So. You've got a total income coming in, er a total amount of benefit there of a hundred and three pounds thirty... for this family.... Okay? Now... they will also be entitled to child benefit. Okay? So child benefit... for two children it's ninety twenty five for the first. Seven twenty five for the second.... So that sixteen pounds fifty.
[Martin:] What are those rates again? Nine twenty five first, and seven... twenty five
[Tony:] It's not
[speaker005:] Ah. Sneaky peaky eh?
[Tony:] So the, for the oldest child it's nine pounds twenty five. Sorry it's not on there.
[speaker005:] No
[Martin:] What is it? Ten pounds twenty five?
[Tony:] Nine twenty five for the first child.... And then seven pounds twenty five for... subsequent children. Making sixteen pounds fifty in total.... This would then be treated as income by D S S and so this amount would be reduced by sixteen pounds fifty....
[Rene:] That's a con innit?
[speaker005:] Mm.
[Tony:] I make that eighty six eighty? Yeah?
[speaker005:] Mm....
[Tony:] Now that's an idea to how they do it. Don't try to counsel somebody and tell them how much income support they're going to get. Because that's very very basic. There are lots and lots of other things the D S S can take into account.
[Rene:] Leave it to the Citizen's Advice Bureau.
[Tony:] Yeah. Leave it to the Citizen's Advice Bureau or the D S S.
[Rene:] I feel sorry for the D S S cos the Citizen's Advice Bureau to make sure that the people get all they're entitled to
[speaker005:] Mm
[Rene:] The Citizen's Advice Bureau has got a pro forma which if a person goes in and says... I think I ought to be getting, I think I, I don't think I'm getting sufficient income support or I'm going to apply for income support. What should I get? And they go through and tell them what they should get.
[speaker005:] Mm?
[Rene:] Which I would find very trying if I was in the D S S quite honestly.
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Right. Now... so having issued B one, where's it got to go?
[speaker005:] The D S S.
[Tony:] Right. So it goes to the D S S. Which one?
[speaker005:] The one nearest. The one in the area which in they live.
[Tony:] So it it's not specifically related to the benefit office where they're signing. It's based on where they live.... And so you might find that some offices have to think of two or three... D S S offices and refer various people to the, to various ones. Depending on where they live. Okay? Now when you had that bundle of handouts that are all stapled together There was... a list of the D S S offices... together with guidance on their address. Now if I can check that you've all got that. I you haven't, I've got a list here that I can let you have.... It looks like that.... and then if you come across it later....
[Margaret:] I was just wondering that. Or is it... it is in fact North Radstock isn't it?. The actual town is North Radstock.
[Tony:] Okay. Any question so far? Okay? Right so when do you issue a B one?
[speaker005:] At fresh claims. Change of circumstances.
[Rene:] Fresh claims.
[Tony:] Fresh claims.... Er what do you mean by change of circumstances?
[Rene:] If they change their address or something or they live with somebody else or they... move out from somewhere
[Tony:] Yeah. Erm... change of... let's say person's circumstances. It might be limiting with a change of address it might not. Yeah? Any
[speaker005:] Also when they run out of U B.
[Tony:] When they run out of U B.... Yes. Any other times when you might issue one?... Erm... situation where you have somebody... who has left their job. Wasn't clear at the time what the circumstances were. You may find when you have the reply back from the employer that you have to suspend unemployment benefit. In that instance you could issue a B one so that he would have some money coming in. So... if unemployment benefit is suspended... and erm another circumstance which might arise is somebody... expects to receive unemployment benefit and then finds that they're not entitled to it. Because of contribution problems.
[Rene:] If in doubt
[Tony:] Yes.
[Rene:] always give a B one in my opinion.
[Tony:] Yes. That's right. They may... the only thing is they may not wish to take one. You don't have to, you don't have to claim. And they may say no no I don't want to claim. In which case that's fair enough. But at some future time they may decide they want to.
[Rene:] If a person refuses U B. They should take... you should issue them with a leaflet
[Tony:] Sorry? Refuses U B?
[Rene:] Issues... refuses I S
[Tony:] Mhm
[Rene:] You should issue them with the basic leaflet telling them about I S.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Rene:] So that they're aware of what they've refused.
[Tony:] That's a very good... er very good precaution to take, yes.... Very good idea.
[Rene:] I don't normally. But... you can do. Well yes you can but... if anyone refuses U B er I S rather I always give them a leaflet. so that you are sure I'm not conning you.
[Tony:] So before we issue... before we hand over the B one what do we do?
[Rene:] Fill in the back.
[Tony:] We fill in the back. Yes?.... We'll be giving you some exercises later about filling in the back.... Erm
[speaker005:] Who would do this then. I mean it wouldn't just be... anyone could do this, fill out the back it doesn't have to be an E O does it?
[Tony:] No, no it doesn't have to be an E O. Right. Erm the only thing is... what does happen occasionally is somebody comes from the D S S offices and they've been told, I need a B one. What they haven't been told is that you actually have to make a claim for benefit. And have to sign on every fortnight.
[Rene:] every day. It happens every day. Every day.
[Tony:] And... yes. And, and so then they, they're a bit miffed that instead of the B one they're being asked to complete a U B four six one, a U B six seven one. They then have to come to an appointment and be interviewed. Whereas in actual fact I don't want all this, I want is a B one. But they have to make a claim before you can issue a B one.
[speaker005:] And the D S S can't issue B ones unless they've gone through all the procedure.
[Tony:] That's right. In fact D S S don't issue B ones. We, we have to issue B ones.
[Rene:] Because they have new people on the counter and it's it's
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Good question.
[Rene:] It happens every single day. Go down and get a B one
[Tony:] How long does it take for income support to come through? Once a claim has been made.
[speaker005:] According to the managers five and a half days in this area.
[Tony:] How long is a piece of string? Five and a half days?
[Rene:] They can get it immediately.... get it immediately
[speaker005:] That's what I was quoted last week.
[Tony:] Right.
[speaker005:] When I asked the self-same question. He said five and a half days.... He hasn't.
[Rene:] The last time
[Tony:] I, I would I would have thought it could have, could take, it could easily take ten days.
[speaker005:] Yeah Two weeks.
[Margaret:] Two weeks.
[Rene:] When they had problems not so long ago it was taking a month.
[speaker005:] Yeah. I heard it was six weeks.
[Rene:] A month, six weeks.
[speaker005:] Well they have targets like we all have and one of their targets is how quickly they can turn around the claimant's money.
[Tony:] Mm....
[speaker005:] What does a... claimant do then they've got no money then for six weeks if it takes six weeks. Come and bang on our door for six weeks.
[Rene:] They get, I think they can
[speaker005:] Yeah
[Tony:] They can get a crisis loan. They don't, they can also get paid early direct by the D S S. D S S will actually pay them rather than telling us to pay them.
[speaker005:] But is it up to them to actually go to D S S and say I want a payment now?
[Tony:] That's right. So if you get someone in that situation who's saying I'm desperate for money, I'm claiming income support, I've heard nothing... and you haven't been told how much they're entitled to. Then they can actually go to the D S S office and say that they need some money urgently and D S S may make a payment.
[speaker005:] But may but not nec
[Rene:] May
[speaker005:] May not.
[Tony:] Yeah. It depends on the circumstances and you're not, you're not in a position to say... what D S S will or won't do. So you can only say they may make a payment. under er... I think they would do under most circumstances. It would only be if they suspected that something... odd was going on.... Okay and how do D S S tell us how much to pay... income support?
[speaker005:] B two.
[Tony:] Yep. B two. Right. Before I ask you to complete B one there's one more thing we need to talk about.... And that is about what happens when someone leaves a job of their own accord.... So what happens when someone leaves a job of their own accord, what happens to their unemployment benefit.
[speaker005:] Suspended.
[Rene:] Suspended pending enquiries.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Rene:] But not, it's suspended, it's suspended but it's not disallowed.
[Tony:] That's right.... So what, what's the difference?
[Rene:] Well it's suspended pending enquiries so it's in suspension. They, we're looking into the reasons. And if erm... they don't like the outcome of our deliberations they have a right of appeal.
[Tony:] Right. But when, when the adjudication officer has made a decision... he will then allow or disallow. So that that's the... so at first the claim is suspended. And then when you have a decision from the adjudication officer it is then allowed or disallowed.
[speaker005:] And then they can appeal.
[Tony:] And then they can appeal.
[speaker005:] If they wish.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[speaker005:] It used to be six months didn't it, and now it's gone up to
[Tony:] That's right, yes.
[speaker005:] Big jump isn't it?
[Tony:] Well. It went up in stages.
[speaker005:] Oh did it?
[Tony:] It went to thirteen weeks and then it went to twenty six weeks.
[speaker005:] Did it?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Rene:] As a deterrent. Which it never has had any effect on... at all. That was the reason behind it. It was a, a deterrent to people giving up their jobs but nobody knew about it. People don't know about it now.
[Margaret:] So if they immediately fall back on IS, I mean it
[Tony:] Yeah that's just what I was going to say. What happens then, to income support?
[speaker005:] Paid at a reduced rate.
[Tony:] It's paid at a reduced rate... for the period of the suspension.
[speaker005:] I thought if it's disqualifying, if you were disqualified then... income support pays normal
[Rene:] No.
[Tony:] Sorry it's, it's, if it's allowed they would have a reason... income support to pay. If it's disallowed... then erm they would have their entitlement in that they would be paid a reduced rate during the period of the susp, er of the disallowance.
[speaker005:] And would they still get the income support after that but still at a reduced rate or not?
[Tony:] Right. Once we're out of the twenty six week period it would go back to its normal rate.
[speaker005:] I think we're talking about... once the suspension was over Yeah and the adj the A O has made the decision. disallowed
[Tony:] Mhm.
[speaker005:] they'd carry on getting the reduced rate prior to the period of disallowance.
[Tony:] That's right yes.
[speaker005:] They'd still get paid then?
[Tony:] Yes, but at a reduced [cough] reduced rate.
[speaker005:] What is the reduced rate.
[Tony:] I'm sorry. I'll go on to talk about that.
[Rene:] Is there a handout on this because
[Tony:] Right. I've got a handout on the reduced rate, yes. And I'm gonna be giving you a handout which gives you information about how to calculate it.
[Rene:] I never tell people getting a reduced rate Well no because they just go bananas if you do. You've got to be careful.
[Tony:] What, what do we call that... reduction, deduction?
[Rene:] U D
[Tony:] Right. Yep. I don't know if you've heard that term at all around. What does it stand for?
[Margaret:] The deduction.
[Tony:] Yep.... oh. Let's try that again. [LAUGHTER]... Unemployed... deduction.... Okay?... Details of any reductions that have been made are held in enquiry screen four.... The reduction is made on the personal rate available. So in this instance it would be made on half, if, if the husband had left his job of his own accord... it would be made on half of that amount....
[speaker005:] Surely that's... for his wife as well so she
[Rene:] No
[Tony:] No no no. No that's why it would only be... it would be made... your deduction would be made on half of that amount.
[speaker005:] Oh I see.
[Tony:] No, no. The deduction is based on
[speaker005:] The deduction isn't half that amount
[Tony:] No.
[speaker005:] it's made on half that amount.
[Tony:] It's, yeah. And it is forty percent of that.
[Rene:] Made on the
[Tony:] So
[Rene:] So can you give us on that.
[Tony:] Yes.
[Rene:] You've got
[Tony:] I'm just trying to
[Rene:] The man's would be sixteen erm
[Tony:] Thirty one
[Rene:] thirty one pounds whatever on the twelve. thirty p.
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Rene:] So it, it's forty percent of thirty two pounds.... Yes?
[Tony:] Yep. That's right....
[Rene:] Reduction then on the personal... sorry, can you repeat what you said about... the reduction is made, made on the personal
[Tony:] Yes. It's made on the amount that that person, that individual is receiving in income support. It's not on the whole family.
[Rene:] family should be penalized.
[Tony:] Yeah. Just the the individual... and that one portion of the income support is reduced by forty percent.
[speaker005:] So... what's forty percent of thirty one pound twenty five. Erm... erm
[Tony:] Yeah. It's about twelve pounds a week....
[Rene:] What happens if you, if you're not on that rate
[speaker005:] What if you're a single person only getting thirty nine something?
[Rene:] Then you doesn't need much does he.
[speaker005:] But do you get the reduced rate, is it reduced forty percent for all sort of categories whether you're married, single?
[Tony:] Yes, yes.
[Rene:] I thought there were exceptions if the person was pregnant or something. If there's a pregnant person in the house.
[Tony:] Yes. There are exceptions. So that the... majority of people will be subject to a... forty percent deduction... on their personal benefit... and their personal rate. Okay?...
[speaker005:] That's irrespective whether they're married or single?
[Tony:] That's right. Erm... the deduction will only made, be made... if a suspension is held on our computer.... So if somebody forgets to put the suspension on
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Rene:] It's not actually cos it causes real problems.... In other words it can take doing that person no good service... like if there's any doubt suspending it immediately. They can always get the arrears. And they get very uptight if they get erm... too much and then it's reduced rather than the other way round.
[Tony:] Mm.
[speaker005:] Can I ask?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[speaker005:] queries at the end.
[Tony:] No. No that's fine.
[speaker005:] I'm still a bit confused about erm... sorry I should have brought this up at the time.
[Tony:] It's alright.
[speaker005:] Claims suspended for twenty six weeks by our good selves
[Tony:] Yes.
[speaker005:] therefore if they apply for income support
[Tony:] Mhm
[speaker005:] that is also reduced by forty percent.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[speaker005:] Right. What if they're unemployment benefit was disqualified? The adjudication officer, we suspend it, the adjudication officer says... right, they're not supposed to have it. What happens to their income support, do they still continue to receive it at a reduced rate?
[Tony:] That's right. For the period of the disallowance.... And it would then revert back to full rate....
[speaker005:] And the disallowance can be
[Rene:] Up to twenty six weeks.
[Tony:] Yeah....
[speaker005:] thank you.
[Tony:] Okay? Right. Erm... the... some people can actually have a reduction made of twenty percent instead.... If, in this family the wife was expecting a baby... then... then it would be a twenty percent deduction.... Also if one or other of the partners, well it would have to be the partner that wasn't signing... was seriously ill... then the reduct deduction would be twenty percent.... Providing [LAUGHTER] there's a condition attached, that they have savings of less than two hundred pounds....
[speaker005:] What if the claimant should become seriously ill?
[Rene:] sick.
[speaker005:] Sick Do they get a reduced rate... on the sickness benefit? No No... They get more on sickness benefit than they do on
[Rene:] And another thing if you're living with somebody... and, and you're both unemployed. If the person that's got the sack doesn't make the claim but the other person claims then it doesn't affect them either.... If you see what I mean.
[speaker005:] Oh I see... so er... you're assuming then that the person that was claiming... isn't working?
[Rene:] Wasn't, wasn't. Isn't working but hasn't had the sack. Perhaps they've been made redundant. Perhaps their partner's had the sack. If the person... that has had, been made redundant to make the claim, can claim for the other person and there's no red
[speaker005:] dependent, yeah.
[Rene:] Yeah so there's no reduction on that.
[speaker005:] ... suspension for three hundred and twelve days. very often find knowing that they've left voluntarily to have babies and have decided not to go back to the job although the job's been kept open for them. They're disallowed for six months and then coming and
[Tony:] Right. I hope this doesn't cause you a problem, but the rates of benefit have changed... very slightly since the first of October ninety one. And the handout I've got here which I couldn't tie in just now when I was trying to do the deduction is because the rates are very slightly different. It's about thirty pence or so more. Than actually what we were talking about. So I'm sorry about that. I'll get the other one updated. Erm but what you've got now... if you, can I pass those round and I'll explain what that says....
[speaker005:] Is this one the same as we've got in that erm wad again?
[Tony:] Oh you had one in the wad did you?
[speaker005:] Yes I had one, yeah else did but I
[Rene:] In the one that we shouldn't have had which we did have. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] Oh it's been a good week. Right. If you'd have a look at that.... The appendix age twenty... the category which you can see there, nought to four. That tells you the amount of income support which the deduc er for which the deduction is appropriate.
[speaker005:] Hang on a minute.... Are we looking at No, we're looking at page two, yeah. Right.
[Rene:] I've got April ninety one here.
[Tony:] Right... some are April, some of October and they're all mixed up.
[speaker005:] I'm April
[Tony:] Wonderful.
[speaker005:] I'm October.
[Tony:] Okay, October... you want, you want, anyone else need October
[speaker005:] Yes please
[Tony:] And if you please destroy the other one.... Yeah, that's the latest one.... Right... Okay have a look at that. The B U category... nought to four. That shows the amount... of weekly rate to which the can be applied. So that shows how much we're gonna apply our deduction to. Okay? And we can see the rates for which the deduction is going to be applied... the other side. So erm a single under eighteen or couple both under eighteen twenty three pound ninety. That re, that should relate to the allowances you had before.
[Rene:] And that's... so that's twelve fifty five if it's...
[Tony:] So if a forty percent deduction is made on category two, then somebody receiving thirty one pounds forty a week... would actually, it would actually be reduced by twelve pounds fifty five.... Do you see how that works?
[speaker005:] Mm. No sorry. I've lose where that twelve fifty five comes from.
[Tony:] Right. If you look at category two.
[speaker005:] What here?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[speaker005:] Yeah right.
[Tony:] They're in receipt of thirty one pounds forty?
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Tony:] So if you look at category two down below. Forty percent deduction applied for a full week. Twelve pound fifty five.
[speaker005:] Oh right, twelve fifty five yeah. Mhm. Yeah okay.
[Tony:] Okay? So the B U category shows the amount of income support that er is being, that the deduction is being based on. And then the B U indicator... indicates whether it's rate one or rate two and indicates whether it's a twenty percent or forty percent deduction.... Now right at the beginning of a claim you can have an odd number of days before the first benefit week ending day. There will also be an indicator on the B two to say how those days should be treated.... There will be a number which will be the number, should be the number of days before the benefit week ending day in the first week of the claim.... Right. Any questions on that?...
[speaker005:] Well only one and that is
[Tony:] Mhm?
[speaker005:] you've given us this information.
[Tony:] Right.
[speaker005:] But don't tell them... what they're likely to receive.
[Tony:] Yes.
[speaker005:] So the information that is given us is for our information only, or?
[Tony:] Right. You can go so far as to say that... I mean, you will be safe in saying that if your, that as your benefit is suspended... your income support for you, not for your family but for you, will be reduced. It will probably be reduced by forty percent... Yeah?
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Rene:] But if you, if you look at a B two... it makes sense, I mean I've looked at B two's and I haven't really understood what the one's two's and three's are for but now it makes sense to me so people who are B two makes more sense to them to know what
[Tony:] Yeah. We'll be having a look at some B two's and we'll pick up this bit about and er the coding when you have a look at that.
[speaker005:] It's knowing how much information you can supply and how much you keep out isn't it?
[Tony:] Yes. Yes that's right.
[speaker005:] You know. Cos what we give to the client
[Tony:] Okay? Right. So... I've now got a handout for you... and it'll be up to date about how to complete a B one.... Yeah, anybody else want to stretch their legs a second? No, Okay?
[speaker005:] ... handouts. Some of them are quite hard to read.
[Tony:] Yes this, this one, this new one ought to get it retyped.
[Rene:] It's quite an important one really.
[Tony:] Mm, yeah.
[Rene:] I'm using it all the time....
[Tony:] I've got better copies of the blank B one, but the handout is getting rather... Right so if we're looking at, we'll complete the B one.... Note the reverse of the U B A T B that we're issuing... and pass it to the client with an envelope to send to the right D S S office.
[speaker005:] Sorry which is the A T B? I can't remember, is it?
[Tony:] That's, that's the one er the shopping list.
[speaker005:] Oh the shopping list, yeah.
[Rene:] I hate to tell you the D S S are on an economy campaign and they no longer issue envelopes.
[Tony:] They no longer issue envelopes.
[Rene:] At least they don't in Bath and you have to write the address on the front.
[speaker005:] Oh they don't They don't do here either.
[Rene:] And then if it's in another area... which invariably is if you've got to give them somewhere like Trowbridge or sometimes erm in Bath or Chippenham You then have to ring up D S S to find the address.
[Tony:] Well hopefully all this will give you the address although it depends how far away it is. contact D S S to get the address.
[Rene:] Actually it's stupid that business about the envelopes.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] quite sure which one. It's slightly higher than the other.
[Christine:] Well it just sort of right. It's just like that.
[Tony:] No it's not, no it's not.... Tiny little bit.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Tony:] I... I think mine are more out than yours actually.
[Christine:] Yeah cos
[Jackie:] Yeah. But mine are, I think mine are more out than yours but... they're not level. And that's... those dimples are the bottom... are on the bottom bit of your spine so... if the dimples aren't level it means that bit of your back is slightly
[Christine:] Yeah and you gotta have something wrong with your back.
[Jackie:] No.
[Christine:] you get that, can't you?
[Jackie:] No.
[Christine:] Did I have that when I was?
[Jackie:] That doesn't matter. Daddy's legs needn't be the same length. Men's legs needn't be the same length.
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] In fact very few people's legs are exactly the same length.
[Christine:] Hello hello hello... hello hello hello hello hello hello hello. Mummy touch me on my arm and keep going on [singing] I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm dreaming of a white white white white white white white white white white [] [LAUGHTER]. They do that don't they?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] [singing] White white white white white white white white white white white white white Christmas
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] just like the ones we used to know know know know where the treetops glisten glisten []
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] You record over that now!... What's it Ben? Right. Ben. [barking]
[Tony:] Eh eh eh.
[Christine:] What is it Ben? Ben. Get him to lick the microphone. That'll make a hell of a noise. Schlurp
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER] Slurp.
[Tony:] Oh stupid dog.
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]... Ben. Ben. [barking] Right then give me that microphone, give me that microphone.
[Jackie:] No no no.
[Tony:] No no no.
[Christine:] [singing] I'm dreaming of []. Sounds more like Des O'Connor.
[Jackie:] Ben, Ben go and talk to Daddy.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] [whispering to dog] Talk to daddy. What's this what's this what's this.
[Tony:] What is it Ben? [woof] Is that right?
[Christine:] Is that nice, is it nice? Is that nice
[Tony:] You can't wear him out can you?
[Christine:] No but you can keep trying.
[Tony:] Come on Ben. Grr.
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] You wouldn't think he was being nice, would you?
[Tony:] No....
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] He looks like a [LAUGHTER]...
[Tony:] Ow!
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] I can change hands... he can't
[Christine:] Do it faster, do it faster dad!
[Tony:] he can't change mouth.
[Christine:] Dad change it faster and go faster and faster and faster.
[speaker005:] Ah!
[Tony:] Have you hurt your mouth?
[Jackie:] Did you bite your lip? Oh yuk. Ben Ben. he's got his back legs
[speaker005:] [LAUGHTER] bu.
[Christine:] Whee! Smurf!
[Tony:] Whee what?
[Christine:] I'm a Smurf.
[Tony:] You're a Smurf?
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] bum in the air. Come on, bed!
[Tony:] You should be going to bed now.
[Christine:] No don't wanna go to bed.
[Tony:] Come on....
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... Come on, bed!...
[Christine:] Don't swear at me my dear.
[Jackie:] I'm not swearing at you. I just pointed upwards. To go up... the stairs.
[Christine:] Dad your tape's stopped.
[Tony:] No it hasn't. But you are gonna go to bed now.
[Christine:] It hasn't? Oh.
[Tony:] No. It hasn't. Go on.
[Jackie:] Come along.
[Tony:] We'll be up in a minute....
[Jackie:] Brush your teeth.
[Christine:] I've already done that. I'm coming I'm coming... ooh... parents!
[Tony:] Kids!
[Christine:] Parents!...
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] You'd better take her lamp upstairs out of the way as well because that's, remember that's a present. It's gotta be wrapped up.
[Tony:] It's got to be wrapped up. Yeah.
[Jackie:] I know she's picked it out but [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]...
[Jackie:] I ordered a skirt this morning as well.
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] A navy blue pleated one.
[Tony:] Mhm. So you want... it'll probably come as black and white spotted
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] in a different style... but
[Jackie:] Yeah Well, we tried. Why is it lately that I go to, before I start my... my work
[Tony:] Mhm?
[Jackie:] I feel absolutely done in. You know I've worked so much at home
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] that I feel so tired.... So I think this is half the reason why [LAUGHTER] I'm not... that.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Because by the time I get to work
[Tony:] Mm. Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know?
[Tony:] [sigh]
[Jackie:] You get there and there's, there's not that much pressure so you tend to sort of think... ah. And you go at the speed that it warrants.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] If there's a lot to do you go quicker and if there's not you go slower.
[Tony:] Mm.... One of the gir er one of the women on the course... is er... she's, she said is the introduction course on, week after next st
[Jackie:] Introduction?
[Tony:] starting on the Monday?... I said starting on the Monday? Do you mean the one that starts on the Tuesday? Oh that's it she said it's Tuesday to Friday. I said... yes it's on, I'm running it. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] What did she say?
[Tony:] She said, oh good! [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Ooh.
[Tony:] Which is nice. But... then she couldn't very well say, oh no, could she? [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] No. Oh what you again! [LAUGHTER] Gotta put up with you for another four days [].
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] ... No I er... I've got some bits to give back to Julie, there's those tapes and... I don't want to listen to it, you know?
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] And that book upstairs. I don't want to read it, I'm not interested.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] But what can you say to her?...
[Tony:] Say, mm yeah.
[Jackie:] Yeah but then she'll start asking me things about it and I won't know.
[Tony:] Ah.
[Jackie:] I'll just say, look Julie I haven't had time to read it
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] so you might as well have it all back. [LAUGHTER] And don't give it to me again. []
[Tony:] Only... she will say... well hang on to it till you've listened to it.... I'm in no hurry.... That's the problem....
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And
[Jackie:] Well fine. In that case I'll hang on to it but I really think she ought to, actually I'll I'll take round there when I'm home.
[Tony:] Either that... or
[Jackie:] Wrap it up and drop it through the letter box. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] No! No you can wait until you can see her going out with... wait until the car's not there if you know what car she's driving these days.
[Jackie:] Oh dear.
[Tony:] And then you drop it in on Iris when she's looking after
[Jackie:] Well Iris is there Wednesdays and Fridays.
[Christine:] [shouting] Mum [],
[Jackie:] [shouting] Alright [].
[Tony:] So you can drop it in on a Wednesday... drop it in...
[Jackie:] On Iris.
[Tony:] On Iris and say
[Jackie:] I haven't seen Julie actually about the kid's Christmas presents. And not getting stuff for each other so I hope she hasn't been out and done it all.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Ooh [sigh]... [tv on]
[Tony:] That programme's on... in about five minutes about food?
[Jackie:] Oh yeah.
[Tony:] And we've got quite a bit well... either that or we could watch the programme and then wash up, clear up and go to bed.... Couldn't we?
[Jackie:] I haven't had time to do any shopping today or anything.
[Tony:] So we... we'll have a cup of tea in a minute. We'll ge, see Christine in bed. Have a cup of tea and watch that programme.... Yeah?... Okay.... Erm... Right, in that case... let's go and say goodnight to Christine. Hello
[Jackie:] Hello... wiring for the tape?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Rene:] When have you got to give that back?
[Jackie:] Tomorrow.
[Tony:] Tomorrow... yeah.
[Jackie:] The lady's coming for it... Is there anything you want... at the supermarket?... that we might forget when we're there.
[Tony:] Erm... I could do with some new trout... [LAUGHTER] Ben... yeah you!
[Jackie:] What are you doing with that biscuit.
[Rene:] Jack... see what their erm... see if they've got any mar mar er marzipan.
[Jackie:] Marzipan?
[Rene:] Yeah, please see if they've got any... but if they haven't
[Jackie:] How much do you want if they've got some?
[Rene:] Well.
[Tony:] Shall I take an e no I'll just take another tape along.
[Jackie:] Well I should... take an extra one the more you can get the better... that's what it's all about isn't it?
[Tony:] Yeah... cos er by the time we got to er... Mum's last time I didn't have any left did I?
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] I'm gonna give you my wallet.
[Jackie:] ... Sorry I was sat there writing out a shopping list and I suddenly thought... oh ten past seven... [shouting] oh ten past seven! [] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Should have been gone by now whe... great thanks ever so much... there you go.
[Rene:] Do you leave this door open?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] and I fumbling for my key. []
[Jackie:] You were fumbling were you?
[Tony:] Yep... fumbling for my key.
[Jackie:] Fumble, fumble, fumble.
[Tony:] It amazes me how early they are people are putting up their Christmas decorations.
[Rene:] It's only three weeks, innit?
[Jackie:] Yeah but no I mean... Caroline down there have had lights up for about six weeks.
[Rene:] Oh good god... a bit too early.
[Jackie:] Erm... I mean most people in your flat it's still three weeks away... we tend to put ours up about a week early, just over a week before Christmas.
[Rene:] That we do.
[Jackie:] No it gets a bit ridiculous when it's... a week before and then until January the sixth.
[Rene:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] That's what we tend to do isn't it?
[Tony:] Mhm... [car radio on in background]
[Jackie:] It always looks
[Tony:] [cough]
[Jackie:] like that,
[Christine:] I wish they'd stop going on about Christmas for heaven's sake,.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] ... I I'm trying not to think about... way I feel on Christmas morning cos
[Jackie:] her birthday... because of Christmas
[Rene:] Oh I see.
[Jackie:] she gets so this is your Christmas present and your birthday present
[Rene:] And that's all wrong.
[Jackie:] all in one... and I think that's horrible... [LAUGHTER] Did you see that car []
[Rene:] They got a bi they got tinsel around the aerial
[Jackie:] Just put... yeah... tinsel wound around
[Tony:] Oh no.
[Jackie:] the aerial and he's trailing some in the back window as well.
[Tony:] Ha ha.
[Christine:] How stupid can people get!
[Jackie:] Well... you sa
[Tony:] I don't know that.
[Jackie:] you say that but if we had a cigarette lighter in... in this car, a socket... an electrical socket I'd
[Christine:] You'd have a little tree with flashing lights. No.
[Rene:] Looks like you can't get out.
[Jackie:] Oh look at that one they got arrows... an they got two arrows facing one another.
[Rene:] Yeah... Rightio Jackie... I'll see you all tomorrow night.
[Jackie:] Okay then.
[Rene:] Bye.
[Jackie:] Bye.
[Rene:] Cheerio Christine.
[Tony:] Okay?
[Jackie:] Yeah I'm alright... ah.
[Tony:] Chilly isn't it?... [cough]
[Christine:] .
[Jackie:] Oh it's pedestrians I can read the sign from back there.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] it looks.
[Christine:] I suppose.
[Jackie:] no there's already a pavement there.
[Christine:] I don't know.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] better pavement?
[Jackie:] Possibly.
[Tony:] Widening the road?
[Jackie:] Maybe... or putting in erm... that cable... cos they've dug a trench around it.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Putting a barbed wire fence round the stop the [LAUGHTER] I don't know [].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... Yeah.
[Christine:] Can you turn it up again Daddy? I still can't here it.
[Tony:] Well I can... and I don't wanna be deafened by it.
[Jackie:] This man's up here selling his Christmas trees again, he's a real menace this chap.
[Tony:] Mhm. No... it gets blocked though doesn't it?
[Jackie:] Yeah... it's on a weekend when everybody comes out here to buy their trees and they're parking they're cars on the roundabout
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] mm... it gets a bit much though.
[Tony:] I'm glad we don't go for that sort of tree actually.
[Jackie:] No... I was looking at trees in er... B and Q
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I'm not suggesting anything don't say it in that tone of voice!
[Tony:] It's alright no I didn't mean t [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] and they had... do you know how much er a really nice... sort of six foot seven foot tree is?
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] An artificial one from B and Q seventy nine pounds was a seven foot one
[Tony:] Good grief!
[Jackie:] sixty nine pounds was a six foot one.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] Mind they were lovely trees
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] they were sort of blue spruce type, do you know what I mean?
[Tony:] Yeah... but
[Jackie:] But you think ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
[Tony:] Good grief!
[Christine:] [shouting] I know what I'm gonna do for practical [].
[Jackie:] Oh Christine!
[Tony:] You made me jump then.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah so did I [].
[Christine:] [shouting] I know exactly what I'm gonna do for practical [].
[Tony:] What are you gonna do?
[Christine:] [shouting] Exactly! []... I'm gonna make this little shape of a snowman... and then I sew s sequins on it.
[Tony:] Oh yes that would be lovely.
[Christine:] She showed us one, she had a Christmas tree... and she had er... star... and tha that was the same kind of thing it's sort of
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] stuffed and then it had sequins sewn and that.
[Tony:] Oh that would be nice, Christine.
[Christine:] It'll be lovely... do that.
[Jackie:] Sounds really nice.
[Christine:] Yes.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] But you've got to pay a little of money.
[Jackie:] Well that doesn't matter.
[Christine:] Because
[Tony:] It's alright.
[Christine:] She said all the fabrics and sequins are fairly expensive.
[Jackie:] They are.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] So if you wanna take them home you've got to pay a little bit of money
[Tony:] Well that's alright we'll
[Jackie:] That's alright.
[Christine:] it's only about twenty... twenty, thirty, forty pee something like that.
[Tony:] Twenty, thirty, forty, fifty, a pound [LAUGHTER] yeah I know [].
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] No... the highest she said is about fifty pee.
[Tony:] Alright.
[Christine:] It's not much... and that's
[Tony:] And that's e
[Christine:] the highest...
[Tony:] Well that's not high.
[Jackie:] I wonder what's happening here?
[Tony:] Well what's happening here is all the cars are stopped and there all [LAUGHTER] one behind the other
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... sorry... I... [].
[Jackie:] I'll get my own back on you! [ambulance goes past]
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] Oh... ha.
[Christine:] Oh no... somebody's in trouble.
[Jackie:] There's been an h accident.
[Tony:] No there's been an accident Christine.
[Jackie:] That's what it er... seems like... erm if there's a police car... you can bet your life... the chances are... there's gonna be another one or an ambulance... if there's been an accident.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] This cars turned round even to go out the bottom of... there's been an accident... oh.
[Christine:] Mum?... Mummy?
[Jackie:] Just take it out of gear... please... yeah?
[Tony:] There are pe some people are going down erm Shallard's Road.
[Jackie:] Probably a good idea... actually well done... if er we get the chance we'll er... do the same
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] go down Shallard's Road and then we can go down er... where is it?... Oh it's up there... where is no that's the police... yeah the police cars parked down there
[Tony:] So if you went along Shallard's Road
[Jackie:] and came out of Long Beach we'll miss it
[Tony:] Came out of Long Beach Road we'll miss it.
[Jackie:] Yeah... so
[Tony:] Or you could go down California Road
[Jackie:] Well that's what I... that's what I mean go down... down Shallard's Road here down
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] from California Road
[Tony:] and along Long Beach
[Jackie:] and along the Long Beach Road
[Tony:] or you could carry on along California Road
[Jackie:] I don't wanna go
[Tony:] you
[Jackie:] past that... if it is an accident I don't wanna go past it.
[Tony:] If you went on down... California Road... and went down into Oldland by Christine's school
[Jackie:] Oh no I'm not going all around that way.
[Tony:] then you could come off the roundabout from Kachenend
[Jackie:] avoiding the strategy.
[Christine:] I hope that's not what I think it is.
[Jackie:] It's probably a road accident Christine.
[Christine:] Someone's been knocked down.
[Jackie:] Did you see?
[Christine:] Awful lot of people standing about.
[Jackie:] Yeah well that's because people are ghoulish... some people will stand in the road and stare.
[Christine:] Mummy, there was shopping bags and bags and things upset on the floor.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Christine:] In the road.
[Jackie:] Might not be it might be equipment out of the ambulance or something you don't know.
[Christine:] Mum in each of these groups... in erm... today... I know exactly what they're doing... what we did before was cookery... this month's sewing and fabric... and next month... what else is there ahead in projects?
[Jackie:] Ooh all sorts.
[Christine:] What are some of them though... Mum?... There's sewing, cooking...... machinery and... no... no... machinery, it could be... yes?
[Tony:] Don't know Christine.
[Jackie:] Could be you could have all sorts of things sweetheart... We I bet you we'll come out and it'll be right opposite us... instead of missing it do you know what I mean... still it was further up the road than the junction... but the... bus didn't seem to be having any trouble.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] There's no queue of traffic along here so far... it seems to be coming through fairly er... well.
[Tony:] No there's not hold up up there.
[Jackie:] I can't see properly yet.
[Tony:] Well what I saw was some tail lights going along the road.
[Jackie:] How could you have seen it from here?... Back there you couldn't see the road up there.
[Tony:] Aha.
[Jackie:] Well you didn't see it from back there... Well there's an ambulance.
[Tony:] Yeah... somebody's hurt.
[Jackie:] It's impossible to maybe maybe somebody
[Tony:] Ah.
[Jackie:] knocked down Christine.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Happy Christmas.
[Tony:] Yeah... that's what I was thinking... it's funny it's sort of... Christmas makes everything better or worse.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Bad things... for a bad thing to happen over Christmas, it's worse.
[Jackie:] And if a nice thing happens
[Tony:] happens
[Jackie:] it's te ten times better.
[Tony:] it it's... better... it's makes every thing more intense... somehow.
[Christine:] Mum my technology teacher said... she erm... every year she Christmas decoration.
[Jackie:] I think everybody does Christine does, we always
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] do.
[Christine:] Do we?
[Jackie:] Yep... don't we?
[Tony:] Yep... but I haven't
[Jackie:] Oh my
[Tony:] I haven't succumbed yet this year... have I?
[Jackie:] ha ha.
[Tony:] Or have we... did we buy something when we were going round er No... no we haven't bought anything yet.
[Jackie:] Erm... there's something up at Matchland I'd like though... we haven't succumbed to our set of lights yet... actually.
[Tony:] No... well that will be our... that will be our Christmas trimmings that we bought this year.
[Jackie:] I always cringe when I see a lorry like that coming on the road... when you can't see past it
[Tony:] [cough]... yeah.
[Jackie:] cos you think well if I can't see any of the cars behind it then they can't see me either.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] I always sort of tend to ease off a bit. I'm afraid that's why I get paranoid Christine and say
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] be careful of the roads because... a car... can't... erm... can't always stop in time... it's up to you not to walk out in front of them... cos they can say oh well you should be able to stop in time... but in practice if you drove to be able to stop in time if somebody stepped out in front of you you'd never above... about five miles an hour... you know?... you must sort of stick to the speed limits... I don't believe it we got gaining on the car in front.
[Tony:] Still he's a learner again. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] If it's a learner he's breaking the law.
[Tony:] Yes he is... ha ha... he's breaking the law anyway.
[Jackie:] I know.
[Christine:] Yeah... cos he should have his L plate
[Jackie:] And he's not
[Christine:] on his.
[Jackie:] that's right. We'll have to apologise... say there was a an accident.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It is true.
[Tony:] Yeah... it didn't hold us up but there was an accident. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] It did hold us up... I mean we would have been down there a lot quicker if we hadn't had to
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] five minutes.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] What?
[Tony:] It's alright.
[Jackie:] What?
[Tony:] I would have slowed down a lot more than that [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Well you're learning to drive, I'm not [].
[Tony:] Yeah... that's right... no reflection on you... it's just that I'm thinking... oh... I ca I just can't see the time when I would ever drive through a gap like that that confidently that's all.
[Jackie:] My foot went on the
[Tony:] But it'll come.
[Jackie:] accelerator.
[Tony:] Ah yeah you eased off... that's all. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] That
[Tony:] Only I would have probably braked, changed down [LAUGHTER] ended up in second and crept past it... on the inside [] and then speeded up again. [LAUGHTER]... I don't... perhaps not that bad but... I would have definitely braked... and not just eased off on the accelerator.
[Jackie:] You'll have to give these brakes a bit more welly
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] they are er... in need of a
[Tony:] A service.
[Jackie:] Oh Neil's complaining it's started... oh I haven't got enough money.
[Tony:] Ah. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] He's just moved into a new house you know
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] about a fortnight, three weeks ago
[Tony:] Mm... modification to lifestyle
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] needed.
[Jackie:] And his girlfriend got the sack from her job not too long ago.
[Tony:] Oh no.
[Jackie:] So she does... she's a florist... flowers
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] so she does a lot of flower arrangements and that privately
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] but as she said you... if you make twenty arrangements and you sell half of them you just about break even with the flowers you've bought to do them.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Leadless plumber... not legless,legl leadless oh... You know I'm sure that the... this roof rack... I'm sure you can feel the difference... in the car sometimes... well not feel the difference but you can hear it, it makes an awful noise at times when the winds blowing.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] You know?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You think... urgh!... I hate driving round this with the rack on... I absolutely hate it... if it's windy it's [LAUGHTER] awful [].
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] It sounds like fire engines going off above your head.
[Tony:] Oh Brian annoyed me on my lesson... I pulled up to the Kingsway... right? [cough]... And I was wanting to turn left
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] going along the Kingsway coming back from the driv the driving test centre
[Jackie:] Oh I know.
[Tony:] yeah?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And there's a filter light... and he said oh you'll be waiting here ages put it in neutral... just as
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] just as I did it the bloody filter light came on
[Jackie:] Yeah... he's silly
[Tony:] and you oh
[Jackie:] I don't know why he makes you do that... I mean it's... if that was something the... I mean all Tony used to ever say when we were at traffic lights were... if you want to... you can put the handbrake on at this set of traffic lights... if they were downhill
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] because erm... there will be... oh what was I it's alright I was concentrating... said you can put the handbrake on these set of traffic lights if you like... because you might be sat here a while and your foot will ache... you know?
[Tony:] Good grief... wha I always have to put the handbrake on at traffic lights.
[Jackie:] No... he says it's a... Tony used to say to me it's entirely up to you... hi traffic lights coming up hill yes... but down hill... no it's... you needn't you can sit there wi ready with the foot brake.
[Tony:] Mm... yeah Brian's argument to that is... that er if you've got... if you were hit... in the back
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] you would tend to raise your foot off the brake... sort of jump and take your foot off the brake and you'd go forward and hit the car in front.
[Jackie:] Well the handbrake is only a parking brake the handbrake only o operates on two wheels in any case
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] not four... so the handbr I mean the fact that you can drive with the handbrake on
[Tony:] yeah.
[Jackie:] if you're insistent about it... you know?
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... yeah.
[Jackie:] Erm tells you a lot it wouldn't erm... if somebody hit you in the back you'd still move if you had the handbrake on.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] In fact probably you'd move more... cos he says yo your instinct is take your feet off... I think your instinct would be to jump on it all the harder.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Cos the instinct would be to stop the car from moving.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] If you see what I mean.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] No then I might be wrong I don't know... but all this... putting the car in neutral... goodness knows what!
[Tony:] It only makes you slower away.
[Jackie:] It does it just makes you slower getting away
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] and one of the things is that's important is... hesitancy
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] or la and lack of it....
[Tony:] But ha I remember I was on my test and I pulled round... er it was very, very busy and there were two rows of cars... and I pulled up... and I thought right there's a gap down there and I want to go straight on and all these others were turning le... turning right so I squeezed down through the gap... and then I thought right I'm gonna be here a little while shall I put it in neutral, blow no I won't.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] So gi given the... unless somebody's out... unless you're if he'd actually tells me to do it... I will say... I was sort of oh alright and do it.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah but... mm.
[Jackie:] No he he makes you do an awful lot of things that are really unnecessary.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Well I mean... I passed my test an I weren't made to do any of that.
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] I would have thought how stupid it was... if I'd been made do it.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] That's why I think I've said to you on occasions oh... you know
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] what are you doing that for sort of thing.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I bet your Mum's thinking we're not coming.
[Tony:] .
[Christine:] Can Grandma sit at the back with me?
[Tony:] No I'll sit at the back.
[Jackie:] Well no let her sit at the front... now Christine... don't be
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] mean.
[Mum:] Hello. Yep.
[Christine:] I know
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Daddy.
[Tony:] Right thanks.
[Jackie:] have to do it over there thank you. So every everything was held right up so what we did was we was we cut back off... we're coming along the main road cut back off and went all down... Halbury New Road and along Beach Road and around that way.
[Mum:] Oh yeah... it's a long way round isn't it?
[Jackie:] Yeah but there was an accident so everybody stopped
[Mum:] Ah.
[Jackie:] so.
[Mum:] What colour desk did you have?
[Christine:] A pine one... thanks
[Mum:] Did you?
[Christine:] for buying it... so
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] in the road.
[Mum:] It's go it's got shelves on then?
[Tony:] Ah I know... no.
[Christine:] .
[Mum:] Oh it's a different one?
[Christine:] It's got.
[Jackie:] .
[Christine:] like
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] the top... a bit cut out there and it's got about three draws
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Christine:] but we found out the measurements for it to go so
[Mum:] Oh.
[Tony:] Go in her room.
[Jackie:] in the bedroom.
[Christine:] so we got
[Mum:] Ah.
[Christine:] a gap text books
[Mum:] Where's your
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Tony:] Mm
[Jackie:] goes in the bedroom.
[Tony:] so what we
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] her chest of drawers and her desk just won't go.
[Mum:] Oh right.
[Tony:] So what we've gotta do
[Jackie:] And we can't turn it round anyway we tried all ways
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and it just doesn't fit.
[Tony:] so what we've gotta do is we gotta buy her desk and we've gotta buy her a little chest of drawers [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] so that she can use
[Jackie:] So if you know anybody that wants plain set chest of drawers
[Mum:] for it.
[Jackie:] we have another pair.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] They can have it.
[Mum:] Ha.
[Tony:] Er this course is going well.
[Mum:] Good... yeah.
[Tony:] Yeah... good group... and er... I take
[Mum:] Interested?
[Tony:] Yeah... they're interested... actually... and they're quite quick as well.
[Mum:] Good.
[Tony:] You alright?
[Jackie:] Yeah... I've had to re-thread their damn machine for them they didn't have it threaded up right.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Oh dear... hopeless aren't I?
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] No on when it came down the bag missed the hanger instead of one bit going each side of the hanger so that the clothes were inside
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] it wasn't it was all at the front you couldn't do it anyway
[Tony:] Ah.
[Jackie:] and when I looked they didn't have it threaded up right at the top... at all I had to re-thread the machine.
[Tony:] Ha... Okay?... Oh... shall I er
[Jackie:] getting to the end now?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Daddy... can I have can I have an apple?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] One of those erm crispy ones... what are they called?
[Tony:] I don't know you tell me... What
[Christine:] Erm
[Tony:] colour are they?
[Christine:] They're green.
[Tony:] Oh right I know
[Christine:] They're green but they're sort of really, really juicy and crunchy.
[Tony:] I know.
[Christine:] You know?
[Tony:] Granny Smiths. Christine has said can she take an apple to school with her packed lunch
[Jackie:] Why is it I.
[Tony:] So if I got those
[Jackie:] That ones not a bruised one is it?
[Tony:] Is it?
[Jackie:] Alright.
[Mum:] Is that all that I've done?...
[Jackie:] Erm... can you get me?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Alright?
[Jackie:] You've got.
[Mum:] I will have these....
[Tony:] okay?
[Jackie:] Do you want a few red apples as well.
[Tony:] Mm... yeah.
[Jackie:] I'll get a bag.
[Mum:] I want those.
[Jackie:] Well you can a bag or... oh
[Tony:] I'll get a bag.
[Jackie:] It's alright I'll get one... Okay?
[Tony:] Yeah... they've put wax on these I don't know something.
[Jackie:] I... I don't know... dust them up with a... a cloth and a bit of Pledge I expect.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] There you are.
[Tony:] That's alright... that's plenty... garden.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Go round here?
[Tony:] Yeah, yeah... and down there.
[Jackie:] You know where everything is.
[Christine:] Do I... I don't know!
[Mum:] Tried the entrance?
[Jackie:] Go out, out there.
[Christine:] You can't go out there the doors are in the wrong way.
[Jackie:] I won't be a moment.
[Mum:] Do you think they're er taking their money alright... Tony?
[Tony:] I know they are.
[Mum:] Oh.
[Tony:] Cos I did erm... I was thinking... we're going through this fairly quickly... are they really taking it in... so I s we stopped after I re reached a certain point and I spent the next sort of half an hour or so just asking them questions... and some of the things they got right, some they got wrong... so I went back over them until we got it right... so... sort of help to confirm things.
[Mum:] Like that.
[Tony:] What this?
[Mum:] Mm.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Mum:] Lovely!... I'd think it was comfortable to wear.
[Tony:] I don't know... what it's like... mm.
[Mum:] Cosy.
[Tony:] Yeah... sort of warm.
[Mum:] Mm.
[Tony:] These rugby shirts are... they're very expensive... it's amazing there's no way really that they should be... overall... I suppose it it's cos it's a bit of a cross between a sweatshirt and er... but still eighte eighteen pound.
[Mum:] that.
[Tony:] Eighteen pound for a shirt... and the they're lovely these... I do like them but ooh
[Jackie:] So do I... are they not very warm?
[Tony:] They're not as warm as a sweatshirt.
[Jackie:] No... are any the same
[Mum:] You you're just paying for it being a rugby shirt really
[Tony:] Mm.
[Mum:] aren't you?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Because it's fashionable.
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Tony:] Well not
[Jackie:] Christine... I said we'd meet her by the baked beans... so
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] It was I don't know where they are!
[Tony:] Mm.
[Mum:] Mm right... I... I wanted cereal.
[Jackie:] Oh right
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] By the nappies...
[Tony:] Yes.
[Jackie:] I told her she had to do a... we haven't been there.
[Mum:] Well I'll get it.
[Jackie:] Look she didn't show us.
[Tony:] Mother!
[Mum:] I wanna what I'll do is I'll
[Tony:] She showed us the map on the last day before it... due in... eight o'clock
[Jackie:] It's go due in tomorrow...
[Tony:] Yeah... eight o'clock Wednesday night she showed it us the map.
[Mum:] Haven't you've gotta be joking!
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] I I'm not thinking [].
[Mum:] And she'd forgotten to give it to you.
[Jackie:] I'm not... because I'm not.
[Tony:] I heard Brad having a conversation again today about... Ooh I don't feel ye I heard him saying why don't we feel very happy about this and not... and not happy with the subjects and I... don't feel very happy about running the session... so... go up this way... he's never done the work you see... so he's trying to learn it from i... instructions and things... and... a lot of the time you need to have actually done it to be able to talk about it
[Mum:] Yeah... from experience.
[Tony:] So it's not his... his fault but... a lot of the training that we have to deliver is to do with... procedures that he hadn't dealt with... whereas... a lot of the procedures... are things that I'm familiar with... there's only some... the job centre stuff
[Mum:] It takes an awful lot of the different kind of practical experience.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Text books don't teach you everything. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] No... and I've got the erm... I haven't got any experience in job centre work
[Mum:] No.
[Tony:] but the job centre work isn't as [LAUGHTER] complicated [].
[Mum:] No... we had er... the marriage certificate and that back.
[Tony:] Oh... good.
[Mum:] Yeah... so it must have been alright cos there was no letter it just said with the compliments and just take it to
[Tony:] Right... right.
[Mum:] two things back so
[Tony:] So you have to assume everything's okay
[Mum:] Yeah
[Tony:] because they haven't told you.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER] They didn't []... so.
[Tony:] Good... fine... this is the way we operate. There's less in the jars than in the tins or although the
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Tony:] tins look look smaller.
[Jackie:] Yeah... yeah... that's a cold
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Frosty you li you like these chips don't you and there's more in it so... that's a mild one.
[Tony:] If that's alright?
[Jackie:] Yeah it is... they're with
[Tony:] Mm
[Jackie:] the other ones.
[Tony:] That's the other one.
[Jackie:] Yeah. I'll have to get another marzipan another time I'm not
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] ... thank you for letting me get that top though I don't know
[Tony:] It's alright
[Jackie:] if it'll fit I might end up bringing it back yet.
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] But I've ordered a navy blue skirt and I'm praying it comes and if it comes it fits.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] A navy blue skirt, that white top... and that nice jumper that I bought in here, cardigan... will look really nice when I go out with Mr and
[Tony:] Yeah
[Jackie:] David and Paula and... you know?
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] I mean they're paying for us to go for a meal you can't go dressed like
[Tony:] No... I know... sorry?
[speaker005:] Did you have white wine, one litre.
[Jackie:] No, just one.
[speaker005:] Just one
[Tony:] How are you doing alright?
[speaker005:] Okay.
[Tony:] And Robin?
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Mum?
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Did you want some Coke for Dad?
[Mum:] No my love, thank you.
[Tony:] Ah right okay.
[Jackie:] You get a storage jar with that one as well so I could... keep filling it up fr from
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] wherever.
[Tony:] As opposed to
[Jackie:] And it's quite cheap as well one sixty nine
[Tony:] using the normal...
[Jackie:] one eighty nine.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] It's still a hundred gram jar as the same as that.
[Tony:] Mm... okay.
[Jackie:] ... okay... bung it in Gungadin... Do we need any more cereal?... I'll tell you what... Dad likes... chocolate raisins... so if
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] we get Mum the toffees... and Dad... some of these.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Christine's.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] Do you need any more cereal remember Christine.
[Tony:] Erm... right I better have one then really... Yes Christine tends to eat several bowls a night sometimes doesn't she?
[Jackie:] Yeah I know she sometimes has two bowls.
[Tony:] When the mood takes her.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And tha... that's growing up it's very good for her.
[Jackie:] Mm?
[Tony:] It's very nice... cos it's very good for her.
[Jackie:] Yes.
[Tony:] You can't see a thing round that corner can you?
[Jackie:] No.
[Mum:] It's the same coming up hill... from round there, it's terrible that road.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Can't see anything coming over the horizon... cos it's almost on top of you.
[Jackie:] Yes... no I think once I turned round in that way and I wouldn't
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] do it again.
[Mum:] Oh you turned in did you?
[Jackie:] Yeah... Well I think... for safety's sake
[Mum:] Yep... I think you just might
[Jackie:] it's
[Mum:] get in there.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] Yep that will just get in behind the
[Mum:] If that van was over the other side it would be much better.
[Jackie:] Yeah, I'm gonna go back just a little way
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Mum:] Yep.
[Jackie:] cos I'm... bum stuck out.
[Christine:] I hope it's light when I do my test... I've just gotta do a back... got black sort of snow white and I'm gonna do.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Christine:] It's gonna do.
[Tony:] Okay?
[Jackie:] Yeah... it's best to copy a book.
[Christine:] I can't find a anywhere... What do you think I should do, it's at the moment.
[Tony:] Oh I haven't put the lock on.
[Christine:] That'll be good.
[Mum:] Quite a long walk if you're coming over there.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah... gosh!
[Mum:] Ooh there go and stand in the cold. [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] No way, I'm standing in a nice and warm place... I don't think I should be copying a tree anyway... a trees a tree.
[Mum:] A trees a tree, a cherry tree.
[Christine:] On Christmas day Grandma comes round our house doesn't she and on Boxing day we go over hers.
[Tony:] Erm
[Christine:] What?
[Jackie:] I don't know. [dog barking in background]
[Tony:] I don't know what we're... I don't know what we... what the pl
[Mum:] Somebody out the back, ha.
[Jackie:] I thought I heard somebody.
[Christine:] Hello Grandma.
[Mum:] Hello.
[Christine:] A little birdie.
[Mum:] Hello Windy.
[Christine:] Oh Windy we just
[Jackie:] Watch out!
[Mum:] Aha.
[Christine:] Oh Grandfather don't make Windy jump over me.
[Jackie:] Ah... oh he's lovely.
[Mum:] Hey get in there!
[Christine:] Hello Windy.
[Tony:] Ah.
[Martin:] all.
[Tony:] Hello... yes fine thanks, and you?
[Martin:] Yes, I'm very well.
[Christine:] Her paws, oh they're lovely... Ah good boy...
[Tony:] How's your foot?
[Martin:] Oh perfect now
[Tony:] Oh good
[Martin:] Yes, it's lovely now.
[Tony:] Good.
[Jackie:] Ah.
[Christine:] Ooh.
[Martin:] No
[Christine:] that's beautiful. [dog barks]
[Tony:] Can you put that in your handbag.
[Jackie:] I said what a difference.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Hello.
[Christine:] What a difference!
[Jackie:] How are you?... I said what a difference, Dad.
[Christine:] ... Hello, hello, hello.
[Tony:] Hello... hello
[Christine:] Hello... Ah she's aren't you?
[Tony:] Yeah,we beautiful.
[Mum:] !
[Christine:] Ah... violent
[Martin:] Don't do that!
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Christine:] Ben doesn't, Ben likes her.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] half a pound of grapes
[Tony:] really frightened last week wasn't he?
[Christine:] Yeah...
[Mum:] I will not be
[Tony:] Oh that's the little microphone from the
[Martin:] Oh yeah.
[Tony:] thing I'm doing.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Martin:] From the er what?
[Tony:] From the st survey I'm doing about spoken English.
[Martin:] Oh yeah aha.
[Tony:] Yeah I've recording things an... now again... er... it's all done anonymously, they're coming... I've done quite well actually I'm on... tape number eleven... I've rec recorded eleven tapes now of
[Martin:] Yeah.
[Tony:] various bits and pieces... and er... they're coming back... tomorrow night to collect it all... it's been quite interesting.
[Jackie:] .
[Christine:] Hello Windy....
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Put the rest like that
[Mum:] Put all this
[Christine:] and he'll need somebody to throw his bone, doesn't he?
[Mum:] Yeah....
[Jackie:] What a difference though.
[Martin:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] I don't know.
[Mum:] And you.
[Christine:] Can you stay there?
[Mum:] ... yeah you're just as beautiful.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] You see an amazing difference in him though, he's much more outgoing.
[Mum:] Yeah... we might
[Christine:] Oh, oh look, look, look.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] He had his one paw up on her knee.
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]... I thought he was going to jump up and oh golly.
[Jackie:] Oh you've got a...
[Christine:] Look, look he's got his foot... in the handle.
[Mum:] You're tripping over her bum... yeah.
[Jackie:] Dad would have another dog just like that.
[Martin:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] We would but Mum
[Martin:] Mum said no.
[Jackie:] no.
[Christine:] Excuse me please?
[Tony:] What are you sniffing about for eh?
[Martin:] I've got her bone.
[Christine:] Lots of smells.
[Jackie:] It's not as cheap and there's you.
[Martin:] bone...
[Jackie:] A little won't hurt.
[Tony:] Oh.
[Mum:] In fact don't need that dear.
[Tony:] Well thanks Mum.
[Jackie:] Yeah I know it's had food in it, but it's empty... see... empty.
[Martin:] Do you like flo He don't shake like he was.
[Jackie:] No.
[Tony:] No.
[Martin:] I'm not shaking.
[Mum:] Well the difference in him in four days it's not bad really is it?
[Jackie:] Oh no.
[Mum:] Eh... what did I tell you!... I said No!
[Tony:] He's getting cheeky.
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]... He's getting cheeky.
[Mum:] No!
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] I don't understand that word.
[Christine:] Oi, oiA 011207.tmp, oi, off.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER] Will by the time I've finished with him [].
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]... Yeah.
[Mum:] I seem saying it all the time.
[Christine:] Hello, hello, hello yeah you... I reckon that's what it is... [LAUGHTER] Eh []... Look Windy I've gotta here.
[Jackie:] Yeah we Christine he hasn't seen us lo
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] for a while and when he saw us last he was frightened and he's not now
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] so he's getting to know you now... that's what it is.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] It is.
[Jackie:] I remember you from last time, but
[Christine:] But I don't remember what you were like.
[Mum:] Yeah....
[Christine:] Now that's your pep talk.
[Mum:] They get on alright like... but
[Christine:] I'm not edible.
[Jackie:] Oh
[Mum:] Well don't take
[Jackie:] yes she is.
[Mum:] any notice
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] we'll on the other one.
[Christine:] Ah.
[Jackie:] Ah.
[Christine:] Are you on Fred's cushion?... Are you?
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER].
[Christine:] He... I reckon he's.
[Mum:] Going to sit down?... That bag smells of Ben... mm.
[Christine:] That bags quite old so it'll smell like a lot of things, it'll smell like... school friends even... Mum?... O if you never it's quite a while ago but
[Mum:] Oi!... I told you to stop it!
[Christine:] Oh... didn't mean no harm.
[Mum:] Go round this side then... stands there holding her tummy [LAUGHTER] You can see it can't you []. But the truth to tell... Sunday morning I went up and come in and Fred had his er... cushion and Windy was... [LAUGHTER] fallen across it []
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] so I think tha... [LAUGHTER] Windy's getting his own back now [].
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Mum:] We didn't do bad at all tonight... seeing we were late.
[Jackie:] No we did quite well.
[Mum:] No he's always, Fred,thou you think of him as the policeman don't [LAUGHTER] you []... that John Thaw.
[Christine:] I thought he was the
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] policeman in there.
[Mum:] Oh yeah.
[Jackie:] He's no trouble when he goes behind there... you get and come over to play food don't you?
[Tony:] Yes.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER] [].
[Jackie:] Is he quite... it... course it's something you gotta gotta get used to haven't you really?... Cos he he'll get more [LAUGHTER] adventurous [].
[Mum:] You've gotta say no, very severely several times isn't it... sort of just push him away so tell that... that's all you can do really.
[Jackie:] Yeah... oh he'll get the message eventually
[Mum:] Mm
[Jackie:] it's a
[Mum:] take a long time but I mean... I know it says... got well puppy mess to get over yet.
[Jackie:] Get over... yeah.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I mean Ben... now even now he has relapses... I mean... nine times out of ten you ca he ignores you when you too much
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] and it he'll come up and just cuddle into the side of you without
[Mum:] side of you and not take any notice.
[Jackie:] taking any notice... erm... Mum will give him titbits... occasionally... and... you've gotta work hard then to get him out of the habit of it.
[Mum:] Of it yeah.
[Christine:] Mum so... to be a little bit weird.
[Jackie:] Mm... it all looks a bit weird upside down cos I can't see out of my... no that's fine.
[Christine:] Mm... I'm just... I'm just drawing a shadow... don't worry I am going to shade it all in and I'm gonna
[Mum:] You can have some
[Christine:] blow the
[Mum:] You can have some branches that curl back down here too
[Christine:] Mm.
[Mum:] they don't all have to go up.
[Jackie:] No.
[Mum:] They can curl back down here.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Mm.
[Mum:] Cos they won't all go up on a tree.
[Christine:] A few gaps... maybe just a little bit coming out.
[Mum:] Mr Who?... [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Mr All!
[Mum:] I've started doing some card for that.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] We haven't got very many presents yet have we?... We really haven't got into it yet
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I... we went out and we got er erm... a suit so we were laughing
[Tony:] Mm... we got off.
[Mum:] did it?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Erm... and we got
[Tony:] We got about... two didn't we?
[Jackie:] Sorry?
[Tony:] We got two... two presents?
[Jackie:] Yeah... buy two... and that's it.
[Christine:] I'm
[Jackie:] So we've gotta get
[Christine:] I've gotta get a few for my girl... girlfriends, but I mean... just gonna get them a selection box... and a... chocolate... sweets... but er
[Mum:] Did you go up Sunday... to the shops?
[Jackie:] Erm... we washed the car in... today, we... we didn't actually go shopping, no.
[Mum:] No.
[Jackie:] Yeah... we just... really thoroughly did the car out... but that's all we did... we didn't go shopping.
[Christine:] You can get a straight twig without anything on it, can't you?
[Jackie:] Mhm.
[Christine:] Or you can have twigs with bits joining on together can't you?... They do vary.
[Mum:] They go all different ways... twigs.
[Christine:] Yeah... they vary.
[Mum:] They'll be like one another ha.
[Christine:] Mm... and my art's not too good I'm afraid.
[Tony:] That's not bad.
[Mum:] What's wrong with your art my love?... Is it complications or what? [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Can't draw properly.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER] The way she said my art's not too good [].
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]... my art [].
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Funny... yes really hilarious!
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Well it sounded like it Christine [].
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]... Oh dear.
[Christine:] ... that twig joins there.
[Mum:] My art!.
[Christine:] No look at it
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] I mean that is suppose to be a tree... does not resemble a tree at all, you'd think it was a... carrot!
[Tony:] Let's have a look.
[Christine:] Antlers!
[Tony:] These... they don't they don't... join onto the trunk like that.
[Mum:] No they go up... thick in thick ones and then come out from the
[Tony:] Mm.
[Mum:] if it was me I'd draw a thick trunk and lots of lines [LAUGHTER] come out from it [].
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] You don't I mean you don't see a tree with a flat top with all the branches coming out do you?
[Christine:] Mm... well I can't think of any other way to draw it though.
[Mum:] They come out it in... thick ones and then... the thick ones are on the... thin ones are on the thick ones.
[Jackie:] Have you got an old piece of paper?
[Christine:] I'm terrible... let me rub out the entire thing and start all over again, yeah?
[Mum:] Yeah it's the best thing, I find.
[Christine:] Here I go.
[Jackie:] And you... branches... start off... what are you going to do?
[Mum:] And rub out.
[Christine:] All of that.
[Mum:] Yes, that's right.
[Jackie:] It'll be a mess
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] Christine.
[Tony:] No... get, let... start off... yep... on erm... show you
[Christine:] What... I've just rubbed it all out.
[Tony:] on a bit of paper.
[Jackie:] Yep I need a separate bit of paper.
[Christine:] Daddy I have in my bag can you get that out?... A little spotted bag.
[Martin:] [cough]
[Jackie:] I can't find a bit that... Give me the pencil and let me show you.
[Christine:] I'll get... you'll have to go just go right to the back... just at the back... otherwise you're gonna be flipping through millions of pages.
[Jackie:] Okay.... Can I do it on there?
[Christine:] Yes... yes okay.
[Jackie:] Look you start off and you've got... your trunk okay?
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] What haven't you got... you got two or three perhaps... two big ones
[Tony:] Can you turn that up.
[Jackie:] coming off at the trunk... see like that
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] and you
[Christine:] Oh I see what you mean now.
[Jackie:] another one like that... and then what happens is you've got smaller branches... lots of smaller branches... coming off of piece
[Christine:] Yeah and then it joins up together doesn't it?
[Jackie:] and then you've got smaller branches coming off of the smaller branches
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] and it makes twigs.
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] So you've got... an this this branch will keep going... perhaps... until it gets really tiny.
[Christine:] It's incredible cos all the little bits join together I mean what's that?
[Tony:] No... they don't they cross over... and they tangle up... but once a branch starts off... it doesn't join on to another one.
[Christine:] I didn't mean that... I meant... when you look at a tree it's sort of got
[Tony:] A cris-cross.
[Christine:] yeah sometimes you get a tree like... with a little bit coming off the side
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] and then it's sort of joined together onto another branch and then there's a branch there.
[Tony:] No... I don'know what you mean.
[Christine:] Er it's hard to explain I can't explain that.
[Mum:] As Daddy says once they come out they don't join onto another.
[Tony:] You see that one would sort of
[Christine:] Mhm.
[Tony:] carry on... going and that one would go up behind it.
[Jackie:] Look Christine if I draw it
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] as a diagram rather than as a tree. Right you've got one branch
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] you start off with one branch like that
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] now that branch will divide into to two... or you'll get one... one bit coming off the side... you might get another one up here
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] right? So they're going to go see then you get other branches coming off of that one
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] the same... and other branches coming off of that one... and other branches coming off of that one... it's sort of gets smaller and smaller and is gets
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] so you... you've got... perhaps two off of there... and then another one off of the side of there... and as you go it gets... it gets sl slightly smaller each time... see what I mean?
[Christine:] Yes... and it comes to just to to the
[Jackie:] to the
[Christine:] light one then you stop don't you?
[Jackie:] Yeah... that's right... see... see what I mean?
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It ge it you just sort of keep going until it... stops
[Christine:] Right... I'll clean that up and start again... this is brilliant!
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] Have you seen that?
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Mum?
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Nun [].
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] She can't find the stereo... Oh lovely [].
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Pulling out one by one oh no... ooh!
[Jackie:] The worse thing I've ever done is wax for my legs... I did it once... mhm
[Mum:] I never did it.
[Christine:] What happened?
[Mum:] Did it work then did it?
[Jackie:] Yeah it literally... it's like sticking a sticking plaster on your legs and pulling it off.
[Mum:] and tearing it off... urgh!
[Jackie:] Only it holds onto the hairs so much that it rips them out... so that you end up with... legs with no hairs on it but... ah!... It's best done very quickly. [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] My legs have never been hairy.
[Jackie:] Mine are the... only... actually they're not as bad as they used to be... they need doing now but... Daddy's so they're not too bad.
[Mum:] No... some people it if their hair's dark and it don't matter what length
[Jackie:] No.
[Mum:] of time... they don't do it.
[Jackie:] No mine aren't too bad really it's just that I don't like being... having said that I had one.
[Tony:] [cough]
[Christine:] Mum... so there's my basic trunk, trunks aren't straight aren't they?... They never... straight
[Jackie:] No.
[Christine:] straight, straight are they?... No not sort of... bits sticking out... Windy... Windy... hello darling.
[Mum:] Let her go.
[Christine:] He's beautiful... good boy... yeah... are you a good boy?...
[Mum:] Ben... go round there... can't wedge through
[Christine:] Hello darling.
[Mum:] oh ar alright then... you've got him now!
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] I'd be in quick... Oh
[Christine:] Windy
[Mum:] think he's a lovely cushion
[Christine:] cushion
[Mum:] ha... hey... he's got his cushion back... Eh?... Got his cushion back... ah... oh Windy... yeah.
[Christine:] They get them you can do sort of like
[Mum:] Oh Windy... has he got his cushion back?... Oh dear... That trunk divided into... two or three different branches
[Christine:] Yeah
[Tony:] I see
[Christine:] it's sort of does... that
[Jackie:] That's right....
[Tony:] I think you need to make that a bit thicker... so it divides into two
[Jackie:] Do you to as well or... will he eat
[Christine:] I don't know what to do there.
[Mum:] I haven't tried to get one.
[Tony:] Yeah but there isn't a flat top it divides sort of in the middle
[Mum:] I don't know anybody
[Tony:] Do see what I mean?
[Christine:] No I don't... a flat top what you on about I haven't got
[Tony:] There isn't a flat top... it divides... sort of
[Christine:] Eh!
[Tony:] down the middle.
[Christine:] I see.
[Tony:] Yeah?
[Christine:] horrible... I gotta rub it out it's no good.
[Jackie:] Yeah I suppose eventually you'll have to start giving him one won't you?
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Cos otherwise er... it's gonna
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] lose him.
[Christine:] I'm just rubbing it out a little bit to give me a bit more space
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] if you see what I mean, right... I'll re-draw all that bit in a minute... this is all gonna be sort of black.
[Tony:] Right... so if you mark in where you want it to split
[Mum:] I wonder how he'll grow up.
[Christine:] Like that.
[Mum:] You got you you try it.
[Jackie:] Ha ha ah.
[Tony:] Down the middle so put the pencil... sort of in the middle
[Mum:] Come and have a cuddle.
[Tony:] and draw the... the middle bit first... do you see what I mean?
[Christine:] Mm... like that?
[Tony:] Yeah... and the other side.
[Jackie:] Yeah... you don't
[Tony:] That's it.
[Jackie:] wanna be grown up do you?
[Christine:] Looks like a waterfall ha... then you just do a thicker one don't you?
[Tony:] Then you take that and taper down a bit... and then it's gonna split again
[Christine:] And it can split... like that.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] Have you got used to the feel of him now?
[Christine:] And then does that go round like that?
[Mum:] I don't know.
[Jackie:] Basically they feel... just...
[Tony:] Mm... you split it down the middle again... so that will go off that way and then that branch go that way... see?
[Christine:] Mm.
[Mum:] when Jack comes in from work... ha ha.
[Christine:] Then
[Tony:] And then it splits again and splits again.
[Christine:] I can't split it again look at the size of that line... I'm gonna have to... oh yeah I see what you mean.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] That's for my
[Tony:] See the branches get smaller and smaller and smaller.
[Christine:] yeah.
[Jackie:] That's slightly nice.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Christine:] I've got... we haven't gotta do any leaves it's just an ordinary tree
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] of Autumn.
[Jackie:] A winter tree.
[Christine:] Yeah... and then it goes... up again, yeah?
[Tony:] Whatever you like dear... it can bend round and
[Christine:] Whatever you like? [LAUGHTER]... it looks quite weird doesn't it?... Erm... and I think I may do one in the middle of there... and then leave that s like that.
[Tony:] But if you were to split that... one and that one again can't you?
[Mum:] He's ever so stupid he'll
[Christine:] Oh alright then.
[Mum:] lie down with his head... sideways on the floor and his bottom still up in the air.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] No don't get thicker.
[Mum:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Ha?
[Tony:] Oh I see that's your
[Mum:] You're a daft dog baby
[Tony:] yeah
[Mum:] that's what it is... cos you're still a baby really.
[Jackie:] Yeah... oh it's lovely to see him not shaking and coming over to you.
[Christine:] Yeah, no... mm.
[Mum:] It's certainly made a difference to him in that four days.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah... you're beautiful now.
[Christine:] You can't get any thinner than that.
[Jackie:] Yes you are... yeah... you beautiful boy... yeah
[Christine:] Can you, you can't get any
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] than that?
[Tony:] So now you can work on that one.
[Christine:] That looks weird... Mummy does that look weird?
[Jackie:] No... cos you'll fill it in with all the other... branches
[Tony:] Cos you you fill it in
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Tony:] with other branches, you see.
[Christine:] Don't worry about the lines in the middle and things like that because that's... it's all gonna be shaded in.
[Jackie:] Give your tummy
[Christine:] So
[Jackie:] yes you are... His tail now when it's down it's still down between his legs but it's li... it's limp isn't it?
[Mum:] Yeah, it's not curled up under.
[Jackie:] No it was definitely pulled up under his
[Mum:] Yes... it's just... down.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Mum:] Hanging there.
[Jackie:] Mm... perhaps it'll go to sleep on his cheek.
[Mum:] Isn't that lovely that other hostage got out.
[Jackie:] Oh yeah.
[Mum:] There's only two German ones there now.
[Jackie:] Yeah, it's amazing really.
[Mum:] It happened so... quickly hasn't it?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] [singing] Yeah... it's going
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] it's going
[Mum:] It's we it's once the ball start rolling it
[Tony:] Mm.
[Mum:] get's everybody out.
[Christine:] []... Oh I'm gonna split that once more I think.
[Mum:] Stand all that. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] I like dogs that sit like these I must admit.
[Mum:] Yeah, so have I.
[Jackie:] ... there's Fred then and Hipner and they all like being cuddled... to don't they?... lovely... Doesn't he look different to his other parts.
[Tony:] They needed to write
[Mum:] Yes, he does.
[Tony:] a bit more... and start making a bit more
[Mum:] Oh yeah.
[Tony:] Three D... mm?
[Christine:] Right... yes
[Tony:] And how you can that you could draw... imagine there's a branch
[Christine:] Mm.
[Tony:] growing out... that way... and then curving up... see what I mean?
[Christine:] Yes I se... sort of growing up and then
[Tony:] Mm... but work so
[Christine:] like that
[Tony:] behind... so it it's it's growing that way
[Jackie:] Are you gonna come down.
[Christine:] Mm.
[Mum:] No.
[Tony:] and then up... so you scr draw it starting to coming up like that.
[Mum:] He's that bad in those.
[Christine:] Yeah or you can draw it
[Mum:] [shouting] Windy! []
[Christine:] going up like those
[Mum:] [shouting] Windy! []
[Christine:] on the bottom... then
[Mum:] No!
[Christine:] up like that and as it goes up it gets thinner
[Mum:] [shouting] Oi! []
[Christine:] and thinner and thinner
[Tony:] That's right.
[Christine:] like
[Mum:] No, I do it but I do it very... artfully and turn my back.
[Tony:] It's that.
[Christine:] That... so it looks as though it's going away.
[Tony:] Then you can split... split it several times as well.
[Christine:] Oh... mm.
[Mum:] What did they tell you... about Fred and me?
[Christine:] I reckon that looks really sort of weird... I don't know why.
[Tony:] Well draw
[Jackie:] I don't know.
[Tony:] It'll look less... the more branches you draw
[Christine:] Windy... hello darling.
[Mum:] I'll talk to somebody else then.
[Tony:] the more real... it will look like.
[Christine:] Yeah... doesn't look
[Tony:] Come on.
[Christine:] too realistic at the moment.
[Tony:] Well you wanna... split it as often as you can.
[Christine:] Mm... you saw where he had his thing done.
[Jackie:] Mm... slightly it's just a little so... when he's head
[Christine:] Oh yeah
[Jackie:] just a little tiny... so that takes precedence
[Christine:] Oh my god!
[Jackie:] cos er... it doesn't get in the way.
[Mum:] Ah!... occupied isn't he?
[Jackie:] Yeah... engaged [LAUGHTER]... you had it [].
[Mum:] I'll talk to somebody else then.
[Tony:] And he'll put up with being stroked as well.
[Christine:] [singing] [].
[Mum:] You can see how he suffered, walking in.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] I mean if you always
[Mum:] He stands there for so long and his eyes start to close you know [LAUGHTER]... it's sheer... blink and er
[Jackie:] Oh... oh dear... Wendy's dogs used to erm... get on your lap and cuddle down
[Mum:] Aha.
[Jackie:] and... they'd jump up on your lap and then very delicate jumping up although... they're quite heavy
[Mum:] and heavy.
[Jackie:] but when they crawl down in the hall they they're no bigger than
[Mum:] Oh no.
[Jackie:] you know...
[Mum:] I bet he couldn't get in the smaller ball than Fred can get... you
[Jackie:] Yeah... yeah.
[Mum:] He's determined to go back for that bag, aren't you?
[Jackie:] Mm.
[Mum:] It's supposed to look like one of those cycling hats
[Jackie:] I know.
[Mum:] when he lies like
[Tony:] Mm.
[Mum:] that.
[Jackie:] Yeah... oh yeah. [LAUGHTER]... Well Windy's the legs are crossed and we're away... just the legs crossed and we're away... there you go.
[Christine:] There!
[Jackie:] He says no... I don't like that.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]... crossed []... no.
[Christine:] Yeah, yeah.
[Jackie:] Oh he's lovely.
[Mum:] .
[Jackie:] No well
[Mum:] She's trying to do something.
[Christine:] It's gonna take me ages, I thought it was gonna take me.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah [].
[Tony:] Know how to do it properly.
[Christine:] No... I think what I'm gonna do
[Tony:] Have you drawn the... haven't you drawn in another branch yet?
[Jackie:] are you?
[Christine:] No I've been doing... I've been doing
[Tony:] Oh right.
[Christine:] a bit of extending and
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] I've been doing all this... that... looks nice yes?
[Tony:] Yes it does.
[Christine:] Yes, non... non... alright non
[Tony:] Mhm
[Christine:] non doesn't look nice non.
[Jackie:] I makes you wonder when there is up there and what's happened to them but this is what we said we found.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Mum:] But mind I'm surprised he was found strayed... [LAUGHTER] Nicole let him off the lead and he's gone phew! []
[Jackie:] Oh yeah.
[Christine:] ... Is this all I'm gonna do, just these two sort of long things... and that and then just do those branches there?
[Tony:] No you have to do draw another... branch coming out of there and there and there and there and... you know?
[Christine:] Yeah... yeah I know what you mean.
[Mum:] Little bit longer and he will be.
[Jackie:] Yes.
[Christine:] Oh... ah.
[Mum:] Don't you think you ought to put your leg down [LAUGHTER].
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] The way he sits []... look... Ben... yeah... I love this bit, look.
[Mum:] Little bit of white [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] Apart from his chest he's... the only bit of white on him, isn't it?... Oh no just a little bit of feet on
[Mum:] No, that under... on his paws.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] And.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]
[Mum:] Round his private parts.
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Hello.
[Mum:] Hello... yeah... there's a good boy.
[Christine:] My o's... gonna be a snake and I go right down... look at that that's the last thing I'm gonna have to be able to do.
[Tony:] No.
[Christine:] And that... I can't I won't go on my if I did it going off it would go over there.
[Tony:] Mm that's alright.
[Christine:] No it looks... it looks wrong.
[Tony:] It's alright, Christine.
[Christine:] I want he er... I won't to do it down there it's out the way.
[Mum:] It's amazing how
[Tony:] No you you draw lower branches off the off here
[Jackie:] Just a few
[Christine:] I'm talking about this bit.
[Tony:] Well that's right.
[Christine:] Yeah but shall I do... a bit coming off here
[Mum:] That's still now
[Christine:] like that
[Tony:] Yeah... looks alright.
[Christine:] yeah... yes
[Tony:] Just leave it like that.
[Christine:] That's what I'm saying!... Yeah you
[Mum:] Yeah you couldn't sort of get at any where near him to start with.
[Jackie:] No... I know.
[Christine:] I'll do one branch coming out of there and that'll be it... there you go.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] I'll rub out one of these... in the corner.
[Tony:] No you... you don't have to rub out the line you can just draw... another one as if it's coming out from a bit you can't see.
[Jackie:] I don't know whether that's shaking
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] just because it's up there or not cos it's on the only leg that is shaking [LAUGHTER] the others aren't [].
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Mm... it's probably shaking cos it's up there my leg does that sometimes.
[Mum:] Perhaps he don't realize he can put it down. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] You've got a branch like that
[Jackie:] Chris cos they're shaking our chests and that they can't be any.
[Tony:] branch like that
[Jackie:] roll over as well.
[Christine:] I
[Tony:] Alright?
[Mum:] Well he has rolled over.
[Tony:] And then you could have
[Jackie:] But I should imagine they were lying and stay there
[Mum:] Well they were... in front of the fire
[Tony:] something growing out... the back
[Mum:] Oh yeah he doesn't there
[Jackie:] You know he sort of
[Mum:] he thinks that we're all
[Tony:] again so you sort of
[Mum:] go go go goes back.
[Christine:] Yeah yeah I see what you mean now... I think.
[Mum:] [LAUGHTER] Look... look at him [].
[Christine:] It's all gonna be shaded in in the end anyway... so
[Mum:] it Ben
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Don't make it too thin.
[Christine:] I'm gonna fill it in in a minute... don't quite fit... there you go... okay?
[Tony:] Mm it doesn't really look as if it... it's gotta be... about that thick... coming down... do you see what I mean?... They're not... not that thick but certainly that thick.
[Christine:] Oh.
[Tony:] Yeah?
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Tony:] And then divide down like the others.
[Jackie:] No I don't think that nerv that's nervous... cos hi his front legs not.
[Tony:] Aha.
[Mum:] No it's probably er a reaction like you do if you tickle him in a certain place they go... don't they?
[Jackie:] ... Well he's definitely a cuddly dog isn't he.
[Christine:] So it goes like that
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] So why are they shaking like that?...
[Christine:] No.
[Jackie:] Yeah... odd!
[Tony:] And another one
[Christine:] Like that?... And then I can do them... yeah?
[Tony:] Alright.
[Christine:] Oh... like what?
[Tony:] It needs to be thicker and that end.
[Christine:] I'm trying to do it thicker, I can't do it thicker!
[Mum:] No shapes now.
[Jackie:] Sorry?
[Mum:] No shapes now.
[Christine:] I can't draw this.
[Tony:] You're doing fine!
[Christine:] No I'm not.
[Tony:] Just don't give up now.
[Christine:] Gotta colour all this in... it'll take ages!... I
[Tony:] That's cos you're not getting
[Christine:] I'm tryi oh!... What do you think I've been doing!... Yes?
[Tony:] Yes. Oh it's cold innit?
[Jackie:] Yeah... oh he's turning into a real dog.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER] Yes... I know what you mean []... He's not the nervous little thing he was.
[Jackie:] No... and he'll get more used to it, I thought tonight was I was I pushing it too far when he started
[Tony:] Mm... I've taken it off.
[Jackie:] but it wasn't it was just that he... probably it was
[Christine:] Daddy... guess what I got for us?
[Tony:] What?
[Christine:] Guess.
[Tony:] Oh I can't guess.
[Christine:] Aha!... I got...
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] science... and geography... and I got art... nice.
[Tony:] Mm...... ah... excuse me.
[Jackie:] No see I must admit I wonder whether your Mum will find too much of a handful... she's already telling him off a lot... you know?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] And I wonder whether she'll find bi erm
[Tony:] Cos he's quite tall he can stick his nose into things.
[Jackie:] And when when he gets to know us a bit better... we got quite a welcome tonight.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] With all things considered.
[Tony:] We did yeah.
[Jackie:] When he gets to know us better we'll get a hell of a welcome when we go in.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I think.
[Tony:] That's right.
[Jackie:] Now we that's one little dog that I do want to get know.
[Tony:] Yeah... well I think you made great strives tonight.
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] I know [].
[Christine:] There it is.
[Jackie:] See Fred Fred knows us.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Do you know what I mean?
[Tony:] Aha... oh excuse me.
[Jackie:] It's so long... I don't need a map for some reason.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... Ah... crafty!...
[Jackie:] Everybody's seems to speed all of a sudden.
[Tony:] Yeah it ha
[Jackie:] Ha ha!
[Tony:] Ooh.
[Jackie:] Your Mum is is really being foolish though with that dog... she's got problems already... he's wanting a chew and she's give him one she not give him one to him, I haven't tried him with one yet she said... she actually
[Tony:] Oh
[Jackie:] held him tonight while Fred eat his.
[Tony:] Mm... no that's not good is it?
[Jackie:] No you give one you give them both... she
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] she'll have him pinching it off of Fred you see
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] eventually if er... she's not very careful... or they'll be a fight
[Tony:] Or they'll start
[Jackie:] cos they'll
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] fight over it.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] New dog or not... you know?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I mean... it says in there about feeding them... feeding with feeding th a dog you use your own common sense.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's as simple as that, he's showing interest so let him have it if he wants it.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's not gonna do him any harm... you know?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] The diarrhoea and that they're talking about isn't... now it was when they first had him.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Back last week.
[Tony:] Yeah it's o it would only be short term wouldn't it?
[Jackie:] Very short term, yeah.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Christine:] Mummy?
[Jackie:] Yeah. Sorry?
[Christine:] These things you bought when you was
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Christine:] Do you think he's dead?
[Jackie:] I doubt it, no... he's probably got too much of an idiot... cos he shouldn't have let him off... and he knows he shouldn't have let him off.
[Christine:] Oh Dad... my
[Tony:] Aha.
[Christine:] I mean it's to set this up, it's about maths
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] she wants... about my maths... he wants... he's... so
[Tony:] Oh right.
[Christine:] I can't even tell you... so it's in my time plan, I'll show you.
[Tony:] Okay... It's intriguing.
[Jackie:] What's that?
[Tony:] Mrs passing a message to... to us through the time planner... like that
[Christine:] It's nothing bad it just says erm... something like tell her... about
[Tony:] Ah... oh right.
[Jackie:] Can you remember what it says?
[Christine:] No I can't.
[Jackie:] Well let us have a look when we get home.
[Christine:] Yes... and then tell me.
[Jackie:] Oh he's a lovely dog... Oh I
[Tony:] Do you want me to stop it?
[Jackie:] I've just now been singing. [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Oh no!... alright.
[Jackie:] Oh he's a beautiful dog though.
[Tony:] I'll finish... I'll finish this tape then.
[Jackie:] I'm nearly done... ha
[Tony:] Ha.
[Jackie:] I reckon he's... absolutely fantastic... that number plate it is drunk innit, it's not me?
[Tony:] Yeah it is drunk.
[Jackie:] Unless it's... [LAUGHTER] decided to
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] .
[Tony:] Yeah... it's been bent.
[Jackie:] No it's all of it even the h and the w... I think they might have lost some... figures off of it at some time.
[Tony:] Oh... I think we might call it a day at this with the tapes... record this tape
[Jackie:] What how many
[Tony:] and then
[Jackie:] have you recorded?
[Tony:] Well that'll be eleven complete tapes.
[Jackie:] Oh well... you gonna see if you can finish it off tomorrow?
[Tony:] Finish what off
[Jackie:] tomorrow
[Tony:] tomorrow?
[Jackie:] Sorry?
[Tony:] Finish what off tomorrow?
[Jackie:] Well I wondered whether you were gonna try and do another one.
[Tony:] Yeah I could try and do ano could do another one tomorrow.
[Jackie:] You hear the.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's screaming.
[Tony:] Can't hear it screaming.
[Jackie:] I saw him he was dying to do that... go back
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] I guessed it.
[Tony:] like that when you're doing fifty.
[Jackie:] Yeah... and the best bit about it is... I haven't started to indicate but it was still a dangerous place to overtake.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] You know?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Stupid place to overtake!
[Tony:] Next week I'm at Kingswood on Tuesday and Bishop's Grove on Thursday.
[Jackie:] I'm afraid you're gonna have to find your own way to Bishop's Grove.
[Tony:] Yep.
[Jackie:] After all this I've had with being late... you know?
[Tony:] Yeah... If I'd passed my test I wouldn't have driven there anyway.
[Jackie:] You wouldn't?
[Tony:] No... don't know the way.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Tony:] Oh... I've got a horrible feeling I've forgotten to put the milk in the fridge.
[Jackie:] Well we'll have a sniff at it and see what it's like.
[Tony:] No we won't.
[Jackie:] Why?
[Tony:] I'm talking about the milk that's in the training room.
[Jackie:] Oh... has it ever occurred to you... to take a bottle of milk in from home... save going out to buy it?
[Tony:] Erm
[Jackie:] Do you think... they
[Tony:] well it's cartons
[Jackie:] ah.
[Tony:] and they're easier to get rid of... I'd have to bring bottles home again wouldn't I?
[Jackie:] Well yeah I suppose you would.
[Tony:] And I get the money back.
[Jackie:] I'm quite pleased with how I got on at work today... with the amount of work I'd done... that
[Tony:] Good.
[Jackie:] that erm... stops... see it?
[Tony:] No.
[Jackie:] It's he's gone by... ran across the road and went down that
[Tony:] Oh.
[Jackie:] slope.
[Tony:] Did you erm... oh you've still got your job description to do haven't you?
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] Must sort that out.
[Jackie:] What's the matter?
[Tony:] Just checking
[Jackie:] Oh thank you for that I was forgetting what it was.
[Tony:] Sorry
[Jackie:] It's alright I thought you were trying to cos of the door
[Tony:] I didn't wanna put you off.
[Jackie:] or
[Tony:] No... I was just making sure the tape was still going.
[Jackie:] Probably would have been enough for them, but
[Tony:] It's not worth making the... fighting your way through is it? lesson before my test
[Jackie:] Yeah
[Tony:] I'm driving along and there was somebody... coming round... and it was a bit narrow and so I hung back and let him come through
[Jackie:] Yeah.
[Tony:] and he pulled up next to me and he said... wound his window down he said ah chicken! [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER] What did you say []?... Were you annoyed or
[Tony:] No... I think
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] well I said I think he was pulling your leg. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]... slightly! []
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]... you could have got through there... you chicken. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] [LAUGHTER]
[Tony:] Oh it's quite funny.
[Jackie:] Oh great... I like that... No we've seen a fo we saw a fox the other night, Christine didn't we?
[Christine:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It ran across the road, it even
[Christine:] You always see the foxes I never see them.
[Jackie:] Well when you're driving along you're looking a long way ahead that's why... and anything that comes in the road you see it... Oh I hope whoever was involved in that accident tonight was alright.
[Tony:] Yeah so do I.
[Jackie:] Urgh!... turn that off.
[Tony:] [cough]
[Jackie:] It always makes me think because last time we saw an accident like that it was Penny... you know what I mean?
[Tony:] That's right.
[Jackie:] And you think oh
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] who else could it be that we know, you know?
[Christine:] He let us off he said you two are supposed to get a late mark but I'll let you off this time... three and we've got a detention.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] I bet we get
[Jackie:] and I didn't buy any Tony.
[Christine:] Mummy... I don't think it's such a good idea...... for me... to have a wash in the morning....
[Jackie:] Well I was saying to Daddy actually... I it would be better if I got up first and went in the bathroom. I said were you looking forward to a nice pear... oh you've got them [LAUGHTER] have you?... I said yes [].
[Tony:] Oh dear.
[Christine:] Mum this is supposed to be a silhouette... it looks more like a black tree to me... ha ha... it's supposed to be a silhouette. [LAUGHTER]
[Jackie:] Well you haven't finished it yet.
[Christine:] No... it... it would have been better if you'd coloured it in in felt tip actually. You can't it it just said a plain pencil drawing... no felt tips... no crayons.
[Jackie:] Where's these comments that you want us to have a look at.
[Christine:] Oh....
[Jackie:] Where's Ben... only if he's locked out he'll be going hell... like mad in a minute.
[Tony:] Okay... I I'll let him in.
[Jackie:] Ooh.
[Christine:] Mum... I don't know where it'll be... there.
[Jackie:] Can I have a look?
[Christine:] In the red.
[Jackie:] Yeah... Tony.
[Christine:] Look at the red
[Tony:] Let's have a look
[Christine:] now
[Jackie:] Chris... no Chris has been encouraged to get help with her... maths sheets... no deadline... so I think... er... that means
[Christine:] Yeah... he gave me some more maths sheets to do.
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] You didn't even tell us.
[Tony:] So it's a question then of
[Christine:] Ow... out!
[Tony:] nice way of saying if you want to help her with her maths sheets... please do.
[Jackie:] Yeah, no it's a bit more than that I think it's a bit of a case of... please help her with her maths sheets.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] So fair enough... we will
[Tony:] Yep.
[Jackie:] we are
[Christine:] on my face with my pants on.
[Jackie:] Christine?
[Christine:] Mm.
[Jackie:] Sweetheart... I'm sorry but you're not
[Christine:] I know.
[Jackie:] doing that at quarter to eleven.
[Christine:] I know, I know, I know!
[Jackie:] It's too late, come on.
[Christine:] Can I just finish off the front I can do that tonight, tonight... please?
[Jackie:] [shouting] No!... you shouldn't have even started it when you came in []... now come on get your coat off and get
[Christine:] Can I just do this little bit look just to the end of the branch.
[Tony:] [shouting] Christine! []... stop now!
[Christine:] [shouting] Just to the end of the branch []
[Tony:] Please!
[Christine:] [shouting] look [].
[Jackie:] Please no you shouldn't
[Christine:] I've stopped!
[Tony:] Stop... now!
[Christine:] It's not fair... just one little measly spot.
[Jackie:] Oi!... I know she's naughty anyway... if it's recorded, that's her tackled.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] I've got three folders in my bag... one... one's this one, one's my home economics one and one's Becky's home economics one... Becky didn't have enough room in her bag.
[Jackie:] Oh.
[Christine:] And I had enough room so I offered and I dropped it.
[Jackie:] .
[Christine:] I didn't do it on purpose, I didn't.
[Jackie:] I'll go in up there now... then there's nobody else... come here.
[Christine:] Okay I will.
[Tony:] .
[Jackie:] No alright I just don't want....
[Christine:] Oh no... he's alright now. Ah....
[Jackie:] Good boy... filthy in...
[Christine:] Yeah... maybe already.
[Jackie:] Shh!...
[Tony:] [cough]
[Christine:] Windy... what a name to give a dog!
[Tony:] Yeah I know.
[Christine:] Windy!... Sounds like something's gone wrong with the wind dunnit?... Windy!
[Tony:] Sound like he has a... a distinct personal problem!
[Christine:] Ha what?... A what?
[Tony:] Sounds like he has a personal problem.
[Christine:] [LAUGHTER]... exactly... Windy!
[Tony:] Hello Ben.
[Jackie:] Poor dog... I really do feel sorry for that dog.
[Christine:] Windy... come here Windy... am I smelling... or do you normally call me that? [LAUGHTER]... That's what the dogs thinking.
[Tony:] Yeah... good boy... ooh yes... there's a good boy.
[Christine:] Hello... mm ah... ha ha ha... ooh [LAUGHTER] tell he likes that []. [dog barks]
[Tony:] Yes... hello.
[Christine:] Dad.
[Tony:] [LAUGHTER]
[Christine:] Dad, don't worry if Mum was telling me off... will you over... will you?
[Tony:] Mm... yeah alright.
[Christine:] No I got him... I got
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Christine:] droopy draws... the one that I wanted for ages... droopy draws.
[Tony:] Aha.
[Jackie:] Oh you stinker.
[Christine:] Look don't...
[Jackie:] Christine, Granpy buys these from a sweet shop, there's nothing wrong with them.
[Christine:] Mm... I know I just... ha... I know there's nothing wrong with them... I don't like them.
[Jackie:] No I know... ooh
[Christine:] That's the only reason why I don't eat them... [shouting] Ben... whe hello... alright,... [].
[Jackie:] that one is is such a shame cos that's a lovely one... but you smell it.
[Tony:] Mm.
[Jackie:] It's out of the fabric conditioner.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] It's just too strong.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] That'll do... keep those... those go with those... I hope that'll fit I don't know... my other one erm... that's fine... but the other one was a bit bigger... though... just have to see.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Put it up here and then it'll grow alright, so...... I've got the black one
[Tony:] Ooh sorry.
[Jackie:] up there and all of a sudden he saw it and he came in the room, Tony and he went... he looked up at it and the stood up at the back of his neck and he was going... grurgh ever so quietly [LAUGHTER] under his breath... grurgh.
[Tony:] Oh dear.
[Jackie:] In the end I had to get it down and let him have a sniff... before he....
[Christine:] Mummy?
[Jackie:] Yeah?
[Christine:] Can you rubber bands.
[Jackie:] Which rubber band?
[Christine:] All the rubber bands.
[Tony:] Shall I put the bananas in the fridge.
[Jackie:] Yes please... I'll ask Mum if she wants them actually.
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] You know what the theory behind that is if you keep that moist
[Tony:] Mhm.
[Jackie:] they don't go... bad.
[Tony:] Oh... [singing] bom bom bom bom [].
[Christine:] Daddy... Daddy... Daddy... look
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Christine:] look at all those.
[Jackie:] What happened to the?
[Christine:] see all the dolls I got, look
[Jackie:] They were on the coffee table in the front room and they've gone... have you put them away?... Or have I put them away.
[Christine:] Where are they now?
[Jackie:] I know where they are... it's alright.
[Tony:] I haven't
[Jackie:] No I've... I've put them away I think.
[Tony:] Oh Ben, don't do that!... He's standing right under me... while I'm trying to... make some tea... as I'm pouring boiling water into the... teapot and he's right under my legs.
[Jackie:] Yeah... I really missed you not coming into work with me yesterday.
[Tony:] Ah.
[Jackie:] Really odd.
[Tony:] Well I can come in Wednesday and Fridays next week.
[Jackie:] Yeah... and what day is you're doing Kingswood?
[Tony:] Tuesday.
[Jackie:] Well I can take you in Tuesday can't I?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Because erm
[Tony:] Ah that'll be fine.
[Jackie:] I can can't I?
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Got to get Christine off to school first and then drop you straight up there.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Erm, your Mum wants her pears... so if you put them in the fridge they'll be alright... she said they were... she picked out nice hard ones.
[Tony:] Right.
[Jackie:] So they're okay.
[Tony:] Okay.
[Jackie:] Yeah I said to her if you look up what they were I'll pay you for them and I'll have them if you like... he's a real sweetheart... he's a good boy... yeah... Look what I bought today Tony... [LAUGHTER].
[Tony:] God we've got enough bananas to sink a battle ship there.
[Jackie:] ha... I thought you'd find that funny.
[Tony:] Surprised at Christine.
[Jackie:] What?
[Tony:] Wanting to take an apple with her lunch.
[Jackie:] No I'm not... really.
[Tony:] Think that'll be good.
[Jackie:] [shouting] Christine!
[Christine:] [shouting] Yeah?
[Jackie:] I bought a couple of bits for you to give as presents if you'd like [].
[Christine:] Just a minute! []
[Tony:] Arghh!
[Jackie:] Your throat's a bit like that it's.
[Tony:] Yeah it is a bit.
[Jackie:] Do you want peas or beans with yo peas cos we had baked beans last night.
[Tony:] Yeah.
[Jackie:] Oh dear!... Here we go again, ha.
[Tony:] You got rather a lot of beans.
[Christine:] Can I have an apple?
[Jackie:] Rather a lot of everything in tins, that's why... don't know if my Mum was waiting for the invite today only... I hope she's... I wasn't bothered... Oh that's nice.
[Tony:] What was?... Sunday?
[Jackie:] Yeah... well we can still change our mind in any case can't we?... If we wanted to.
[Tony:] Yeah... we've gotta do something about Christmas my love... haven't we?
[Jackie:] Yeah but we've done some... Your saying we've gotta do something about Christmas that's all I've been doing this week!... Chasing round doing something about.