[speaker001:] The bad news they haven't arrived so, and that rather, it still
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] it still ties my hands, hands somewhat
[speaker002:] I mean
[speaker001:] because I received no further communication from anyone so
[speaker002:] Erm I don't know if this would help, because, you know I'm, I, I said that.
[speaker001:] Ooh a D S S book.
[speaker002:] Yes that erm you know they wouldn't
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] actually give some money, well they've sent this, they've sent this letter so
[speaker001:] still got a D S S book going so
[speaker002:] No this is the o yeah, this is the one that they sent you see? When I
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] came to you and said, you know they won't send any money because I haven't got a note, but because you was a bit, you know, doctor's
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] a bit suspicious.
[speaker001:] Well you've got a book, so you can still actually er
[speaker002:] Yeah, but you see they sent this on the twenty ninth of June
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] but the thing is this doctor's note runs out yesterday,
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] see, so I can't really cash any more, you know?
[speaker001:] Why not?
[speaker002:] Well because I haven't had a doctor's note and it makes it a bit difficult if I cash it.
[speaker001:] But they would have only given you a book for
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] that long, if you had a valid doctor's note for that time, surely?
[speaker002:] No, no. You have to get another one, you see. It doesn't work like that. I mean that's some proof, I mean I
[speaker001:] It's proof that someone's issued a book to you, yeah. I'm not quite, has, is th it gives no indication of why it's been issued, that's the catch.
[speaker002:] Well, see these are the ones that I sent in and I didn't think they would, they would agree with because they were duplicates unless they found the original.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] Do you follow?
[speaker001:] No they won't accept duplicates as a rule.
[speaker002:] Well they put those in anyway, so unless they found the original ones,
[speaker001:] That's, that's two months and that keep [tongue-tied verbal babbling] that keeps you covered for a while, doesn't it?
[speaker002:] But you see the thing is, that's true but sometimes the way they deal with it, they deal with it say eight weeks, so which makes it what? About sevent
[speaker001:] Yeah, he's just put yeah he's just put depression. I mean how do you actually feel at the moment?
[speaker002:] Well, I feel better than I was, but I've been at Haywoods Heath which was a religious community
[speaker001:] Hmm.
[speaker002:] and er I feel, I feel as though I'm generally
[speaker001:] Mm. Aye. What about sleep patterns?
[speaker002:] That's fine.
[speaker001:] And mood during the day?
[speaker002:] That's fine, not too bad....
[speaker001:] See if you're actually better medically
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] you actually become fit for work.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Ah [LAUGHTER] in which case it'd be wrong for me to say that you're not fit for work anyway [].
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] So er I mean if you, if you, you know, if you do feel you're looking better I mean you look, you know
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] fairly okay.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] So I mean if you, if that's how you actually feel then what we should really do is to sign a note at some stage saying you are fit for work on a certain date.
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] And er then what will happen is the benefit you receive will change from
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] erm sickness benefit or invalidity benefit depending
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] how long you've been off for, to unemployment benefit, if you're eligible. So I, and, and to be honest I think that's what we ought to do at this stage,
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] if you remain fairly well. Now obviously
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] if how you are
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] changes,
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] You know it's a different ball game
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] and then we have to reassess you and say you're medically
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] unfit and then we sign you off. But then
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] also we ought to be treating it, are you not actually having any active treatment at the moment are you?
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] You see... you see I don't mean to be erm rude or anything but as I'm sure you understand you can't really you know, you know write a note without my doctor's notes, because you see I, I think if I get a job at the moment I think it'll just, it won't last
[speaker001:] No. Well I, I I could write a note on my own assessment,
[speaker002:] Right yes
[speaker001:] but I have got nothing to back up, it's a bit like
[speaker002:] before you have the notes?
[speaker001:] Oh I can, oh yes I can, I could
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] write a note treating
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] you as my own patient
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] on a, on how I find you at a particular time.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] But what I can't do is to look back and saying you've been, you are like this now but we know from your previous history, that this
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] is the course of events and perhaps it'd be reasonable to wait longer before we say you're fit for work. And I haven't got much evidence
[speaker002:] You can't do that until you get the notes can you?
[speaker001:] Well it's a bit i well I, well I could do but it's a bit tricky I mean to some
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] extent I'd be happy to keep you going for a bit longer.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] There's no. What I don't really want to do is to sign you off sick long term, without really knowing I mean
[speaker002:] Mhm.
[speaker001:] what's been happening before, what's been said
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] to you, what's been given
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] to you.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Exactly what sort of thing you've been in. And you can say some of
[speaker002:] Yeah that's, that's what I
[speaker001:] to me but I d I still, I don't get the same feeling from you as perhaps I might with medical notes, if you see what I mean?
[speaker002:] Well I, I, no I agree
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] with you precisely
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] I think that you can't really make a decision until you have that literature, you can't.
[speaker001:] It's tricky.
[speaker002:] But what I'm, what I'm, is because you've got this order book
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and these, you know things from the benefits er agency, because if I cash any more it makes it so I mean
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] what, you see I don't know when these notes are going to come up
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] you see?
[speaker001:] Well what I
[speaker002:] And I need this cash.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I mean what I suggest we do
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] given you're, given how you are at the moment, which
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] is probably not one hundred percent medically fit,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [cough] is to actually give you another note for the moment for say
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] erm where are we now? We're July, so if I say another six weeks, that'll actually get
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] us through to the first week of September.
[speaker002:] Right, so these
[speaker001:] And then
[speaker002:] you can
[speaker001:] and then have another chat. And if you are fairly okay then we'll probably say well we'll sign you off at this stage anyway. But
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] at least we'll have the notes to back up what we're doing, and I
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] think that'd be sensible. It'll
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] keep you ticking over for the moment which is what you need.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] And it'll erm, and I think that'll be reasonable.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Is that okay?
[speaker002:] That seems okay for now, yeah but
[speaker001:] It's a sort of compromise
[speaker002:] when you
[speaker001:] decision but it is difficult to know which way to go, when you're actually up you know, I, I wouldn't say you're a hundred percent but I wouldn't say
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] there's anything too much wrong with you either.
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] Now what I've got to put a diagnosis on this, so if I write depression cos that has been the problem hasn't it?
[speaker002:] Right, yes.
[speaker001:] Yeah, is that fair enough?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And if I put six weeks, now this' ll overlap slightly with the present one, that doesn't matter the D S S don't give two hoots from that point of view, and that'll then run out six weeks, which is about the beginning of September
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] exactly.
[speaker002:] But I, you know, I agree with this, thanks for the, writing the note, but
[speaker001:] That's okay.
[speaker002:] erm... especially that when you get those er notes from Haywoods Heath,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] and then see what you think. But I mean I don't want to stay on the sickness but it is
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] invalidity. It's Sickness Benefit on your
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] Income Support. So it's
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] exactly the same amount of money
[speaker001:] Yeah, oh yeah. So you won't gain any extra, yeah.
[speaker002:] not Unemployment Benefit, ordinary Income Support
[speaker001:] Mhm.
[speaker002:] but, you know, when you get those notes if you could look at them and see what you think
[speaker001:] Mm. Yeah I think they'll be informative.
[speaker002:] Mm. Oh yes, yes.
[speaker001:] Yeah. It's a question of getting them back, they haven't long gone but er
[speaker002:] Right.
[speaker001:] they will return, complete I hope. Okay.
[speaker002:] Right. is that there's no point in, in er me going to work if it's going to just, you know, work out
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker002:] so I'm just, you know, unemployed again.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But as I say, when you get those notes, if you really, you know, try and understand them so [sniff] you know
[speaker001:] And if I can read the other doctor's handwriting.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] [LAUGHTER] Anyhow we'll sort that out in September, I'm sure they'll be there. We sent in an urgent request three
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker001:] weeks ago for those and I'd be very surprised if they don't soon
[speaker002:] Apparently they should be on their way because Nottingham was er
[speaker001:] They should be.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] They should be.
[speaker002:] Alright, thanks very much.
[speaker001:] Right okay, take care of yourself.