[Robert:] How are you?
[Ellen:] Fine, thank you. I've got a
[Robert:] Find your
[Ellen:] headache, but
[Robert:] Surviving?
[Ellen:] I feel a lot better.
[Robert:] Oh well.
[Ellen:] I went for a walk out this morning but I just couldn't stand it.
[Robert:] No.
[Ellen:] it's no good I'm gonna have to go out for a breath of fresh air. I'm better going
[Robert:] do you?
[Ellen:] But I've got to be honest with you you know.
[Robert:] No
[Ellen:] So he says I'm going out I said oh I feel... I'm going out for half an hour that's all.
[Robert:] Yeah
[Ellen:] I can't see the pleasure you know. So you seem a lot better
[Robert:] Got a lot of washing to do lie down
[Ellen:] Yeah he'd like that. Yeah, he'd like that. I know but I thought
[Robert:] So I've bit busy with other things anyway.
[Ellen:] I thought what I'd do was I'd have a bath, I thought I'd put all the back in the fridge
[Robert:] Yeah.
[Ellen:] and I've gotta put that erm on tonight as well.
[Robert:] Yeah.
[Ellen:] So that might be as well.
[Robert:] Yeah.
[Ellen:] See I don't feel as I did last night but it's still there, you know I just take some more tablets like, you know.
[Robert:] Yeah.
[Ellen:] But er
[Robert:] Nearly getting rid of it
[Ellen:] but I've really cracked it and it's bloody awful!
[Robert:] It does
[Ellen:] No
[Robert:] oh aye, it does.
[Ellen:] Really cold, really, it's horrible!
[Robert:] We didn't do him any good at all. Telling me he got six points for a driving convic for er speeding conviction
[Ellen:] Halfords I should think Oh right!
[Robert:] When he got erm
[Ellen:] Oh
[Robert:] ... ... Smell it. See if it smells alright...
[Ellen:] Got any Oh
[Robert:] We have to that's why
[Ellen:] Aye
[Robert:] Mm
[Ellen:] Too much
[Robert:] I got your er table things. They do them in packs of fifty but in
[Ellen:] Oh
[Robert:] a split pack I got sixty. That should be enough, shouldn't it?
[Ellen:] Oh
[Robert:] Or did I get seventy? I think I got seventy just to be sure. I thought sixty
[Ellen:] Oh alright. That's alright.
[Robert:] was enough so I got seventy
[Ellen:] Oh right.
[Robert:] cos there's only fifty
[Ellen:] Yeah.
[Robert:] So I got seventy. As I said, they do, they must do them themselves and sell
[Ellen:] Oh right.
[Robert:] They've got a well in that shop.
[Ellen:] Oh have they?
[Robert:] Yeah. It's all bricked up.
[Ellen:] What else you've been doing?
[Robert:] Oh I've done a bit of drawing. you wanna get your hair cut while you're there
[Ellen:] Yeah. Yeah, I ought to go and get changed
[Robert:] Yeah, well don't stand about...
[Ellen:] Yeah, that's alight. I'll get
[Robert:] Oh yes.
[Ellen:] changed.
[Robert:] I'll just leave them ticking over then?
[Ellen:] Yeah. I won't be long.
[Robert:] Yeah, okay.
[Ellen:] Just go and get myself changed.
[Graham:] Yeah, I mean you see works' vans all over the place regular.
[Robert:] Yeah.
[Graham:] Naughty boys! I never thought about that.... ha... oh. Not if they keep his licence.
[Robert:] No.
[Graham:] Speeding.
[Robert:] Dangerous driving.
[Graham:] Dangerous driving cos he made the old woman give over and... overtook somewhere totally stupid and... probably find he had no brake. [LAUGHTER] He was slowing down anyway!... What are we gonna do? It's spitting and spotting innit?
[Robert:] Yeah.
[Graham:] Fancy having another cup of tea?
[Robert:] Yeah.
[Graham:] That's if you look at it, like, you only get two chances at speeding now.
[Robert:] Mm.
[Graham:] Which is harder than it used to be. Must've been four then wasn't it?
[Robert:] Yeah. Three points
[Graham:] Like you get four gos. Yeah, that'd be right. Get one more go than you used to now you get one left. Tightened up on that, haven't they?
[Robert:] Mm.
[Graham:] Don't half your er insurance now, don't it? You get
[Robert:] Yep.
[Graham:] a speeding doesn't, never did anyway, bother them.
[Robert:] No.
[Graham:] Not unless you had a dangerous driving or something with it. But er losing your licence always has bothered them, hadn't it?
[Robert:] Mm.
[Graham:] That's always cost you....
[Robert:] is there? A very old Granada
[Graham:] Mm.
[Robert:] way back Aye.
[Graham:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] Ah, yes it is
[Graham:] Yeah.
[Robert:] Yeah. Probably buy
[Graham:] Hundred quid.
[Robert:] Hundred quid
[Graham:] Yeah. Aye.
[Robert:] And he had a dangerous driving or a speeding I think it is
[Graham:] Mm.
[Robert:] horrendous insurance bill [LAUGHTER]
[Graham:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] He says I can't afford scrap.
[Graham:] Cost him more.
[Robert:] Cost him about six or seven hundred quid a year.
[Graham:] Cheaper to buy a blimming er... cheaper to insure a car wouldn't it?
[Robert:] Mm....
[Graham:] Oh
[Robert:] no matter what he gets, it's always over five hundred quid cos he's he's
[Graham:] Yeah.
[Robert:] lost his licence in the past and... you know, when he was a kid like
[Graham:] Mm.
[Robert:] and all that
[Graham:] Takes a long while before they forget about that, doesn't it?
[Robert:] Yeah. Making himself an extra five hundred pound a year for er having been a naughty boy when he was a teenager.
[Graham:] Mm. That's what it's about now, innit?
[Robert:] Yeah.
[Graham:] It's all the
[Robert:] He is actually quite sane now though. [LAUGHTER]
[Graham:] Yeah, well it's like this fellow that got done for speeding.
[Robert:] When did he get done?
[Graham:] Er Thur no Wednesday. sat there watching them catch him up he didn't see them before they got him stopped like. Saw them catch him up coming along with all their blue lights thinking.... They'd been in er garage at bottom.
[Robert:] Mm. Aye.
[Graham:] We'd had a little car before he got there. He said are you speaking to the no, no, around town he says, I don't mind doing a bit more, you know, out and about not much about they just sat in the traffic, you know.
[Robert:] Mm
[Graham:] but erm... so had it been a Foxhalls, something about a minute... no, he said only for about a mile, that was it. I said oh, about forty seconds and he sort of looked. I says well, at sixty you do a mile in a minute. So I said if it's only for a mile it's going to be well less than a minute at eighty, presuming you were doing more than... thereabouts and er that was it. But the car, he'd er he says oh that was funny he says, I blew past him, popped into fourth, I blew past him real easy going up the [LAUGHTER] []. Come out at Foxhalls at forty, I think he did. He can come through Foxhall like and he, he'd had to speed up he says and then... he says he didn't carry on, like. He hadn't been doing and er... reckon he and er think I'm and that was it so... right...... Been driving since he was... nineteen... ... two or three months ago, I think it was. I remember him saying once before I don't, I don't know what and er he says it's only a fortnight ago since you know. You get done for, pulled up for speeding or parking or something and you can pay your own [LAUGHTER] fine []. So I went home, anybody gonna pay me fine?
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER]
[Graham:] [LAUGHTER]... He says I am gonna cop it off me mother cop it of his mother. You're always going too fast! I told you before! He says me dad al me dad was always speeding he, he used to go mad! Mm.
[Robert:] slow down.
[Graham:] Yeah... obviously watching wasn't, wasn't watching his mirror very hard. He hadn't seen copper trying to get him caught up, I wonder how much he was using mirror when he was overtaking people?
[Robert:] Mm, yeah.
[Graham:] Whether he was just watching what was coming from the front.... Mm saw him coming have to get it [LAUGHTER] cos Neil's mum was cross about it.... Oh well... he was only just finding out what the rules were. There was a gang of us chatting with him. I come up with six points. That made his day.
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER]
[Graham:] He says have I got a fixed penalty? I says only got a pink form if you've got a fixed penalty. Know somebody who got one, like. No, only a bloke I've never seen one had one.
[Robert:] Yeah, that'd be Richard.
[Graham:] Mm only he's got to take his licence and insurance in.... As to what happens now he says I've to go to Magistrate's Court... so... it's just beginning to sink in that it's gonna cost him some brass and it's going to be serious. One of them there was of the opinion who could quite easily lose his licence for it.
[Robert:] Like he got done...
[Graham:] What he do? Run a Chief Constable over?
[Robert:] No! No, he got done for speeding. He was over the, over the limit and had a small quantity of drugs with it. Don't think he'd actually taken them but he had as a
[Graham:] Mm.
[Robert:] possession. They did him about eight hundred pounds in motoring offences
[Graham:] Aye. Phew!
[Robert:] Speeding while slightly over the limit it was....
[Graham:] Him having speed having, having speed. Oh god! [LAUGHTER]... Mm... Where's today?
[Robert:] Dunno.
[Graham:] He started to come over, didn't he?
[Robert:] Yeah....
[Graham:] they don't come any worse get a cup of tea in between, weren't we?
[Robert:] Mm.
[Graham:] I don't think it would've bothered us when it was spitting and spotting if we'd actually been out there, would it, it's just setting off in it.
[Robert:] Aye, yeah.
[Graham:] Blue sky! I can see a bit of blue up there.... today?
[Robert:] No
[Graham:] if you were off to do something and being mucked around for the day, innit?
[Robert:] Mm
[Graham:] Took my a long while ago.
[Robert:] Not surprised to see them now.
[Graham:] Only ran out a month ago!... Just as well so late I've been waiting for to come. I got some here come in this morning she says, they ran out beginning of September last year. We hadn't thought about it. [LAUGHTER] I thought I was late. Mine have been in, oh, I don't know! A good month! Innit?
[Robert:] A slightly bigger like a fish box
[Graham:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] Or what?...
[Graham:] Lobster pots making a smell.
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER]
[Graham:] yeah, don't, I know name when it come up like that.... Anyway we can sort the problem because you'll take them back a won't you? [LAUGHTER] [] [cough] put them outside your house, creating a smell they were playing up. Pretty fair stack of them I should think, wasn't there? Mhm.
[Robert:] ... Don't know if the son's got out yet. Been doing time.
[Graham:] Aye. I don't know
[Robert:] They didn't catch him [LAUGHTER]
[Graham:] [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] He had an argument with a kid, two or three years ago
[Graham:] Aye.
[Robert:] and er they set off in hot pursuit. It was in back of a pick-up. Driving through with a shotgun shooting the guy [LAUGHTER]
[Graham:] Still in the back of a pick-up shooting over the roof, like?
[Robert:] Yeah.
[Graham:] Oh! They didn't get him for that one? Blimming good job!
[Robert:] No, they just got him for beating somebody. [LAUGHTER]
[Graham:] Bloody good job. You'd think after that one they'd have thrown the keys away for that.
[Robert:] Mm. The kid hadn't done much
[Graham:] Get an extra two years for missing. [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] the kid hadn't done much, I mean it was nowt [LAUGHTER] serious []. You know I had a moving traffic accident [LAUGHTER]
[Graham:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] wasn't trucking there, you know or owt like that.... No sense of humour. [LAUGHTER]
[Graham:] Got brought a pushbike wheel the other day. Can you get the cogs off that? Why? Well they go a lot better on that bike of mine. I don't think so. Oh pity. So what you've done to bend the wheel? I haven't. The gaffer knocked somebody off their pushbike, had to buy him a new wheel [LAUGHTER] and some compensation [LAUGHTER]
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER]
[Graham:] Scrounge the wheel! How do you get them off? He says you go to a pushbike shop and get special tools. Ring spanner things with the
[Robert:] Mm.
[Graham:] keys on the outside pumps and things on it to... I wouldn't bother. A new set of back cogs for bike's only about seven quid. A brand new set and they come with the ra with the, erm free wheel and everything all in like, just screw them on. Go to a pushbike shop they whip them off and whip them on for you you buy, you know, if you go out and buy one then just take wheel with you they'll stick them straight on.... Mm... that fellow don't go to the police. Lucky to get away with having to buy him a wheel compensation
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER] Unusual innit.
[speaker004:] It's very expensive that's why it's unusual.
[Robert:] Sixty nine ninety nine. [music in background] [eating] is that all right? It is done isn't It?
[speaker004:] why have you got that on your head.
[Robert:] What's it doing take it off.
[speaker004:] Oh yeah.
[Robert:] [shouting] take it off []
[speaker004:] Mm.
[Robert:] [shouting] take it off I don't like it, take it off []
[speaker004:] What?
[Robert:] [shouting] What's wrong with you? [] [man in other room shouting]
[speaker004:] [shouting] What? []
[Robert:] What?
[speaker004:] He's bloody mad, he's potty, off his rocker.
[Robert:] Where did you get it?
[speaker004:] Get what?
[Robert:] The thing.
[speaker005:] Well why
[Robert:] [LAUGHTER] Well why do you need it, why do you need a towel?... Why do you need a towel. Why er why [LAUGHTER]
[speaker005:] game.
[Robert:] Mum and Dad's got it. [cough]
[speaker005:] Come on Mum.
[Robert:] Go get in the blooming bath.
[speaker005:] Why?...
[Robert:] I'll rewi rewind that actually heard what you say, you must be very naughty and nasty... thing to be to your son. [unzipping a bag]... I can't have a sweet then. Well you're not give me a sweet an all.... Should give me a sweet you know.... You should.
[speaker005:] You're gonna turn it off because I wanna tear you off a strip about something. Me? Yeah.
[Robert:] Why?... What are we talking about?
[speaker005:] Mum what's Hamlet about? Pardon?
[Robert:] What's Hamlet about?
[speaker005:] Hamlet?
[Robert:] Yes.
[speaker005:] I don't know much about Shakespeare, the only play I've seen is Romeo and Juliet and A Midsummer Night's Dream.
[Robert:] to er see Rome and Juliet.
[speaker005:] Mm.
[Robert:] And I think I need to make it up.
[speaker005:] When is
[Robert:] I dunno.
[speaker005:] Well you better find out then.
[Robert:] What do ya mean I alw I'm only saying it cos I got
[speaker005:] Well no if you can go.
[Robert:] You give me the money for it?
[speaker005:] If it's within reason as I assume it will be.
[Robert:] Five Pounds.
[speaker005:] That's okay.
[Robert:] W would it make much difference for you lending me the money.
[speaker005:] Not a lot. Well there's a quite a bit of difference between five and fifty isn't there... and the one thing is for your educational needs and the other I'm so convinced about.
[Robert:] Well
[speaker005:] Yeah.
[Robert:] I thought a computer
[speaker005:] No, but I know that you're dying to have a computer, and if money was no object, then we probably wouldn't hesitate in lending it to you, but really and truly at this moment things are... tight and we can't afford to commit ourselves with things... unless it's absolutely necessary.
[Robert:] Well
[speaker005:] And that's it, I mean I've made it as plain as I can. That is it and I hate it when you keep on and on nagging.
[Robert:] I won't go and see Romeo and Juliet.
[speaker005:] Well don't go, it's not my fault if you don't pass your exams.
[Robert:] All right.
[speaker005:] Did you watch that animated version that you recorded.
[Robert:] Yeah.
[speaker005:] Does it give you the gist of the story?
[Robert:] It, half an hour long. [too far away to be able to hear]
[speaker005:] Well I think it's longer than half an hour. They probably should
[Robert:] an hour at the most.
[speaker005:] Given you er... erm
[Robert:] The film is about hour and five minutes.
[speaker005:] You can probably have a video of it as long... of another version. Well it's does help to see different... versions because... you see that different people interpret the [tv very loud]
[Robert:] Why do you
[speaker005:] Mm? Well it depends on the people who are producing or directing or whatever, so it's all got... different ways of doing it. When I was studying I went to Open Air Theatre... and... I saw... a version there [tv is very loud] on Christopher... er what's his name... that chubby fellow with the glasses... Christopher Biggins that's it. He was playing Puck... and when I went to see the Company... doing it well they had a completely different way of doing it, they wo they did it really like er... a dec you know the the mechanical play, I don't know if you know A Midsummer Night's Dream. They did it in a completely... slapstick farce way... you know th the men who were dressed up women they balloons and had rosy red cheeks and wigs and things, it was quite... different.
[Robert:] How they
[speaker005:] Well that's it, when Shakespeare wrote a play and the text has survived and, but the way of... of joshing the people on the way they do it is different every generation and even most of the people in the same generation would... would have a different way of doing it.
[Robert:] Okay.
[speaker005:] There's a comedienne... erm... she apparently was born in Wales.
[Robert:] Mhm.
[speaker005:] Two Ton Tessie O'Shea that's her.
[Robert:] Two Ton Tessie?
[speaker005:] She yeah, that's her her nickname, cos she was quite big and she played the nurse in Romeo and Juliet in the season on Stratford on Avon and she did it using a Welsh accent because she thought Shakespeare, having coming from... quite near the Welsh Border Country might well have had... might well have had a Welsh... nurse. So it didn't matter that Romeo and Juliet is set in Italy.
[Robert:] Mm.
[speaker005:] She did it as she would have... thought Shakespeare would have known people and things, you know, she did it like that. Mm. And I remember Amanda seeing a video of Romeo and Juliet And what struck me was that the costumes were all sort of like you see portraits of Elizabethan dress.... Now I don't what Italy and those... Middle Ages would have been like, that the sort of clothes that were worn.
[Robert:] Mhm.
[speaker005:] But... the clothing in that film struck me very much as being like Elizabethan dress. Yeah, I mean now plays... of... Shakespeare and... they're wearing modern dress like those worn at Richard the Third or something and they're wearing... well either First or Second World War... uniforms.
[Robert:] Yes.... It was very different then.
[speaker005:] Yeah, well it's just different... directors have different... things they want to emphasise in a play and if they want to bring something home or... they think that using a certain... well like say the way the people are dressed and everything will... will have more of an impact, you know will... One thing I was wondering about you know they... they talk about erm... in... Shakespeare's works is the language the words he uses, the... the sort of poetry of it and the symbolism that's used.... Erm do they talk about that at all in your English Literature
[Robert:] Yes.
[speaker005:] Do they show you how you can learn about this, there's a book you know the book I bought you it's got notes in it. Does that help with it?
[Robert:] I suppose
[speaker005:] Pardon? Well you should do. And what about... I bought some... revision books and things study aids or something for Amanda for her English literature Well I bought them for Amanda and she was doing... Romeo and Juliet. So if you look in those you may find there's some help there.
[Robert:] Yeah.