[John:] It just looks expensive though that's all.
[Ken:] Very expensive.
[John:] Ah [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] How's, how much do you think?
[John:] Oh erm, I would, I would think about three hundred pounds summat like that... am, am I right at three hundred or?
[Ken:] Erm, there's that to do, a new wing and that door to straighten out, a new front, all front balance
[John:] Oh well done
[Ken:] and the side light...
[John:] It might be seven hundred then
[Ken:] Yeah, well, I went down and I said to after the eng the engineer had seen it, he said like order the parts and everything, so I went down a couple of days later I said just for curiosity what's, what's it gonna cost us this bloody lot? You know
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] he said well we haven't got the price for spare parts yet he said, but I don't think we'll get much change out of a thousand pound
[John:] [whistling] Good heavens, how, what happens then, do you have it to pay or do the insurance pay?
[Ken:] Oh the insurance pay for that
[John:] Oh do they? Oh aye
[Ken:] I just have to pay the first fifty pound
[John:] Oh yeah
[Ken:] of any claim whether it's my fault or not
[John:] It makes fifty pound though cheap doesn't it you know
[Ken:] Oh I'm not
[John:] I mean you think, when you sign y with your insurers thing say well I'll have this and I'll pay the first fifty
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] really it's nothing is it?
[Ken:] Oh no
[John:] these days no
[Ken:] no, no, well when I, when I get it, the thing that gets me going is this, that complete car cost me er six thousand, eight hundred
[John:] Yeah...
[Ken:] and then it's gonna cost a thousand pound to repair it so
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] I mean bloody hell if I er...
[John:] But how d'ya feel about it once it's repaired?
[Ken:] Well it's alright, I mean if it was the chassis that had gone
[John:] Er
[Ken:] er if it was the chassis had gone, I don't feel very happy at all
[John:] No
[Ken:] but er, well I mean it's a bolt-on wing
[John:] [LAUGHTER] yeah
[Ken:] I mean sometimes used to get hammer and chisel to 'em
[John:] That's right and chisel them off
[Ken:] and chip the wing off, now they don't, it's bolted on, so I thought well bolted on
[John:] It's like a spare it's like a spare part really, yeah
[Ken:] Yeah, yeah
[John:] yeah, yeah
[Ken:] well I had a Triumph Herald once upon a time, everything with that was bolted on
[John:] Mm
[Ken:] it was smashing you can, you could take anything off, the only thing you had to cut was, was a little thin fanlight at the back here... and one at the front, inch and a half wide
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] it was welded on, that, well that held the roof on, everything else was bolted on
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] and there was a little Triumph Herald sign on that, bolted through, that was to cover the weld look, and that was smashing and then they went through all this welding job... and I, when he lifted the bonnet up the engineer had a look at it, I said, oh I said is this bolted on? He said yeah, I said oh thank Christ for that... so he said oh, he said nearly all the cars are bolted now, the only thing, the ones that aren't bolted on now are Fords they still weld all
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] theirs on, but er
[John:] Of course that's just making it easier for manufacturers isn't it really the car
[Ken:] Oh this is it I mean they
[John:] I mean they're not interested in ordinary motorists are they?
[Ken:] Oh no I mean we've been down there... when you put dash like, when you have to wire, er a bolt goes on the dashboard and everything, well Christ I've been round, we went round er... Sunderland works, Nissan, at Sunderland, and we've been round Rover works
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] and we've been round Ford at Halewood
[John:] Eh
[Ken:] I mean when you get there they just get the, the dashboard out and the bloke on the bench he puts everything on the bench
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] and they just drop it in with a clamp and it gets sh shoved in and then another bloke just connects all the wires up
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] and so they say well to take it, to take the board back you do this, you've got to remove that bloody dash
[John:] Yeah, no
[Ken:] they do, we watched them shove an engine in, you know, it comes along the belt and and stick it in
[John:] You did want to be able to go around all them works, what, what was it with the
[Ken:] I C I
[John:] I C I
[Ken:] well cos our, our
[John:] Yeah...
[Ken:] our sec our like chairman of the group is er, used to be a, a district convener for the union
[John:] Ah
[Ken:] and he's still got something to do with the union, so what he did, when he goes to these meetings he said to the, ah you bloke at Nissan how about getting us round
[John:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] and ac according to according to Nissan we're all retired er
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] and then er Vauxhall we got invited round fifty of us went round Vauxhall
[John:] Oh that's good that's good, er
[Ken:] and I say round Vauxhalls the only thing we didn't see... at Vauxhalls was the er paint shop
[John:] Oh yeah
[Ken:] he says because the smell there is so great
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] it'll be on your clothes for a long enough so
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] but we, we set off... in a big building, well a building about four times the size of this... these houses... and it was all sheet steel wrapped in polythene packages
[John:] That's marvellous that, yeah
[Ken:] and that's where the steel came in
[John:] Oh
[Ken:] all treated
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] and then a, a stacker truck came in with a pile er, a four foot square foot doors and he
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] went through and he put a two pile that down, another on er bonnet and it was all planned out and it was all, these stacker trucks went in
[John:] Mm
[Ken:] and we watched them and we watched er see, that's the only thing we didn't see
[John:] Mind this manufacturing line is a great time saver and a money saver int it?
[Ken:] Right
[John:] Yeah, you haven't mentioned going round the brewery there then?
[Ken:] Oh not while we've been round er
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] we've been round Sainsbury, the back of plant of Sainsbury, we've been round Lime brewery at Blackford, we've been round Tetleys brewery three times
[John:] What Leeds?
[Ken:] no four times
[John:] Leeds?
[Ken:] No Warrington
[John:] Warrington
[Ken:] Then we've been round the Carlsberg brewery at Northampton
[John:] Have ya? Yeah
[Ken:] twice
[John:] that, now that'd be interesting
[Ken:] we've been round yeah
[John:] yeah
[Ken:] Scottish Newcastle Royal brewery twice
[John:] [LAUGHTER] cos there's always a free t
[Ken:] twice
[John:] free drinking in, in
[Ken:] Carlsberg's the best
[John:] Is it? [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] Yeah, yeah
[John:] Er
[Ken:] you know you can have all the fish courses, you can eat as much as that as you like, then they have all the, the meat courses
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] and you eat all that, then they have the sweet courses to go from and all the time you're drinking Carlsberg before you go in, then er, like er, a Danish snack like aquavit
[John:] Oh
[Ken:] you're drinking that during the meal like you know and
[John:] that's amazing isn't it? Er amazing what they can do
[Ken:] and when you're with the come down with ya, where's the, they'll only take twenty
[John:] Ah
[Ken:] so when we went down there to the brewery there were forty eight cans of Carlsberg on the coach ready for us and coming back there were another forty eight cans so... it's er...
[John:] At Leeds, they er, I haven't been and er I were in the Conservative club at Queensbury and they had a club, they had er, er a trip that went through to the erm, to the brewery and Leeds tt and they have a fi er a sociable room you know
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] a sociality room whatever, whatever they call it and er, and they gave them a good do really
[Ken:] Aye
[John:] er, but they didn't go in for food like er you're talking about
[Ken:] Oh, oh no
[John:] the, the treat was at the end they gave them a very er, an opportunity of having a very strong drink
[Ken:] Oh well
[John:] but er
[Ken:] this, when we were round Tetleys at Toddington, er, you have a few drinks at the bar
[John:] Mm
[Ken:] and then they say there's a trip going round at the brewery, er you can either have the er... twenty five minute trip or the, the forty minute trip, whichever you want, well of course everybody says the twenty five and then the rep always, it says oh well these fellas have been four times before so we stop in the bar and you can have what you want, spirits whatever you like and then the bucket comes out and it's, it's smashing
[John:] [LAUGHTER]... Oh well it's, they're very good aren't they?
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] I've never ev er the only one I've ever been on, I went round Dorman Longs once
[Ken:] Yeah, right
[John:] but I only went round Dor Dorman Longs because the man who's in charge of the labourers who moved all the machinery about er I sort of went with him see I didn't
[Ken:] Yeah, yeah
[John:] go as a, an official guest really
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] but erm
[Ken:] Er, I'm going round Rovers in April... half are going to Rovers and half are going round Cadburys place
[John:] Ah very good, yeah
[Ken:] and then in the afternoon those that went round Cadburys are going round Rovers, and those that went round Rovers are going round Cadburys
[John:] It's interesting to see how other people perform int it?
[Ken:] Oh aye
[John:] or have made their living
[Ken:] Yes
[John:] really yeah cos there's
[Ken:] I don't
[John:] been a lot, on cars there's been a lot of
[Ken:] yeah
[John:] and, and on, and on beer there's a lot of
[Ken:] Oh aye, yeah
[John:] yeah
[Ken:] I couldn't work in a car factory
[John:] No...
[Ken:] doing one thing for a fortnight
[John:] That's all it is it's repetition go over and over or around whatever it is
[Ken:] just for a fortnight but even so
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] oh just shoving sheets of plate into a, a machine that comes down and it take, it goes out the other end and you put another one in all day long
[John:] Yeah yeah
[Ken:] oh
[John:] mind destroying
[Ken:] Yes
[Group Of Unknown Speakers:] ...
[John:] How are you this morning Mrs?
[Joan:] Shivering
[John:] It isn't as cold as it was though is it?
[Joan:] Damp int it?
[John:] Aye it is
[Joan:] Damp, get, get
[John:] yeah yes... Sid was very cooperative there he didn't realize but he has been... he's spoken very well, we've talked about all these jobs he's done and all the travelling he's done with the
[Joan:] he's interested in ya all of a sudden
[John:] Yeah, right very good, I don't know
[Joan:] What did ya did ya, ya having
[John:] still They bloody resigned they did
[Ken:] Aye, so
[John:] oh she did rather
[Ken:] Yeah, yeah, yeah
[John:] so it shows you how bloody useless they are... a bunch of
[Ken:] Where?
[John:] bloody idiots...
[Ken:] I think we could do with somebody I, I mean Stanley's er, er has been at er been repet
[John:] Stanley's had it for me
[Ken:] he aye, he aye he doesn't seem to work for it does he?
[John:] He's a bloody idiot
[Ken:] He doesn't seem to work for us does he?
[John:] he works against us
[Ken:] Aye
[John:] I've asked him to do a bloody couple of jobs and he hasn't done 'em yet
[Ken:] No
[John:] simple little things
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] ah leave it to me, leave it to me
[Ken:] But then it's left altogether int it?
[John:] and that
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] silly pillock is a bloke who wants, who's got a little office on the promenade at the
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] station
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] and he's planning all this damn, it's costing millions of pounds and it's costing thousands of pounds while he's sat in that dammed office having it all drawn up and
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] that, er... digging up the centre of Morecambe, done away with this bridge and that
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] he's a bloody for a bus driver and never made a bloody penny
[Ken:] It makes you wond it makes you wonder really, really where they get the background for planning doesn't it? I mean they get into these jobs and really they've no background of understanding of the exact
[John:] Yet it's the bloody simplest
[Ken:] No
[John:] thing
[Ken:] I'm, I'm, I'm a bit against er traders like, like builders and all like that and trade people being on the Council, I'm a bit against that, er but after saying that, those kind of people do have some understanding on what's to be done
[John:] Understanding, yes
[Ken:] but, but these fellas they come along and they have, they get in because of a policy
[John:] but what a per
[Ken:] rather than the person
[John:] My policy regarding Morecambe is this, people come into Morecambe as a private individual like yourself, like me, like my family and we come in here to accept Morecambe as it is
[Ken:] Yeah, yeah
[John:] not as bloody what the committee wanted
[Ken:] No [LAUGHTER]
[John:] bloody towering bloody flats of
[Ken:] ruddy peo aye, aye... and they've raised the rent of every damn thing up, ours isn't r combination houses rent
[John:] Yes
[Ken:] my rent gone up on allotment
[John:] Yeah, yeah
[Ken:] now what's it you know five hundred percent
[John:] Yeah that that, that go, that's not right is it?
[Ken:] No that's four door
[John:] That's er yeah
[Ken:] so's you can un pack up, soon as you pack the bloody allotment up
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] and the speculated buildings
[John:] and they have land to play about with aye, yeah
[Ken:] Anyway I'll have to go
[John:] Aye I'll see you then er
[Ken:] let us know
[John:] tomorrow, aye, take care then
[Joan:] So she were just having a crumpet, she's but butter were all melting, I says I can just picture now running down your chin and
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] she says we'll, we, we had a later so she were just having a few crumpets...
[John:] And er is she gonna come you say?
[Joan:] Well [clears throat] I told you what she said about her and Sandra you know and I wrote and said when they you know if they felt like coming for a day that'll be alright I said but don't be having anything to eat I'll bring in sandwiches, I mean I, I know I've said it's very kind of Sandra to say, but you can't, they, way your relatives are coming and bringing sandwiches can ya?
[John:] Ooh definitely not
[Joan:] It's ridiculous
[John:] Can't have that
[Joan:] but, [LAUGHTER] then again with Eileen [] you never know with Eileen she says well it's, it depends on our Sandra she said I'm not building up on it cos you know what she is, but she says if... you know she might want Alan to come and then she goes on and, and then, then she says I don't know what we shall do really if we do come, she says cos if Eileen won't, she's work, really can't come if Alan comes
[John:] Oh of course they can can't they?
[Joan:] They haven't mentioned it to Ida, of course they can
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] so, if, if, if they're all four of them coming er and she says about going in for a meal I shall say oh well if you feel like it go and do that then and come for your tea [clears throat] I mean it's just putting them round table isn't it?
[John:] Yeah, what, how many's that?
[Joan:] Er six...
[John:] Well we can manage it can't we?...
[Joan:] Well we have, when we have James and Robert it's a bit of crush isn't it? But er... I haven't, oh with four it's just nice, five enough
[John:] Oh what I'm really saying is that you can't er
[Joan:] Oh I wouldn't dream of I mean Oh I know, no I wouldn't dream, I mean think that good enough to come and see you then having and bringing,br having their dinner and then bring your sandwiches for all lot
[John:] That's right
[Joan:] Our Lisa well she said I'll stand at we'll take sandwiches and ferry you and John an'all, I said well
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] very good I says but you tell her just to forget that will ya? Otherwise she'll get her hands and face slapped [LAUGHTER]
[John:] Mind you see they're, they're very willing aren't they to er
[Joan:] Well she says if you'd of come to Sandra's she'd make you something, I says I know Eileen and so would I as well, I says I wouldn't have anybody coming in and bringing them sandwiches, I mean if somebody knocked on the, on our door one day from Queensbury and we didn't know they were coming and they'd brought sandwiches with them
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] well you can't do nowt about it then can ya?
[John:] No that's true
[Joan:] You know or, but I mean I could make, you could make anybody sandwiches can't ya?
[John:] It's not a, it's not a long journey either from Queensbury to Morecambe is it?
[Joan:] No...
[John:] When they erm
[Joan:] oh no it isn't
[John:] and the lies she's
[Joan:] She says as I say I'll have to wait and see what she says, because she said, you know when weather gets better, oh I says you're better off waiting while it gets better weather
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] I says and you've more daylight then
[John:] But the daylight is improving now isn't it? Very, very nice
[Joan:] I'll say it is I'll say it is... but she says she has a trapped nerve in the top of her leg, she says sometimes it's not so bad but she said it's not bad, you know when I get up she says I'm in a lot of pain and it, you have to take painkillers for it
[John:] How old is Eileen now, she's seventy, seventy?
[Joan:] Well she was seventy since we came here, on our second year, so she'll be about seventy three I think, her birthday I think's in er November or something, she'll be about seventy three will Eileen, let's see, Uncle Jim was seven when I was born, so he, I'm sixty six next so he will be seventy three, I'm sure, oh no... well that's right int it? That's seven
[John:] Well if you knew, if you knew the difference between her age and yours you see...
[Joan:] She's about, only about twelve month younger than him
[John:] Aye...
[Joan:] well he was fifty seven when he died
[John:] Mind she seems very a she seems very active Joan though don't she?
[Joan:] She's very active minded is Eileen yeah very active
[John:] Well physiclar particular
[Joan:] Well as I say she's, she said she's had sitting and er ache you know and she has these things just to keep going, she has taken up inside her, just to keep going, that's why she goes and has that like I had to examine inside that no more has grown and all the things inside her
[John:] Aye, yeah
[Joan:] [clears throat] She has to go every so many months to check that they're not reoccurring, but apart from that she is, she's quite er, she's quite good, quite active minded cos playing go bowls and [sneeze]
[John:] Playing bowls and
[Joan:] and the West End Chapel keeps her going er and she said many a time that helped her to get
[John:] er bowls at Chapel have been
[Joan:] over un losing Uncle Jim did the Chapel...
[John:] Oh it's mind it'll be very nice to see 'em come won't it?
[Joan:] Oh I'd like, yes I'd like someone to come here, oh I'd like 'em all here for the day...
[John:] Yeah well that's right, cos you see they're off by, half past six
[Joan:] You know
[John:] aren't they, six o'clock?
[Joan:] Yeah, I mean Eileen if Eil Eileen ever can manage to get her friends to bring her and at weekend, Eileen's no bother
[John:] Er
[Joan:] she's easy to get on with is Eileen, probably be shattered with talking after she'd gone, but she's easy I mean I, there's lots I wouldn't want coming to stay, but Eileen is one I don't, I wouldn't mind because, well oh I know Eileen's ways and er, er, her, my interests are very much like hers we've similar interest with family and everything, er it's just if you've nothing in common with them
[John:] No
[Joan:] that's, that's gonna be a bit awkward
[John:] It's a pity it's a pity there isn't a regular certain bus service int there?
[Joan:] Yeah...
[John:] If we had a regular bus service... rather than a regular train service
[Joan:] Yeah. You see really, I mean it's no bother if you're going, if you're coming from Queensbury to here
[John:] With what?
[Joan:] The train
[John:] No I mean
[Joan:] If you get if you get
[John:] it's not cheap those not, not at all
[Joan:] Oh no, oh no I'm talking about, oh aye, yes I understand that, it's not cheap
[John:] and you've got to get to the station
[Joan:] but if er, yes if you have somebody to take you to station and then we pick 'em up
[John:] and if you're coming for a few days you've, you've bag carrying and all this in the business
[Joan:] Ah aye yes yes... yeah...
[John:] anyway that's the way it goes innit?
[Joan:] I mean I know you stay well you know you have, you have relatives with cars and that, but you can't do with putting on other people can ya?
[John:] Never, never
[Joan:] You can't do with asking, if they offer, it's a different story, so...
[John:] Mind you does Alan work away?... And Sandra's at home int she now?
[Joan:] No she's not no she's er, she's teaching so many
[John:] What
[Joan:] half term
[John:] what she's not aye, she's not full time though is she?
[Joan:] I don't think she's full time work, no
[John:] No, mind you it might be so, so long each day
[Joan:] Oh, aye, yes
[John:] Yeah but if, if you know what I mean I, I thought she was er, I thought she was
[Joan:] That Alan isn't working away, I mean he comes home every
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] night, yes, for his meals...
[John:] What have you had tonight then Joan special? Mine needs putting in there...
[Joan:] Oh that's me jumper...
[John:] I've all them tapes to play you know with interviews
[Joan:] Oh my goodness John I don't know who you're gonna interview... the national treasury
[John:] well I'm thinking of er er...
[Joan:] [cough]... Recording their own conversa the trouble is though, if you're recording your own conversations you're a bit stilted
[John:] Oh you are definitely
[Joan:] you're not, not, not natural are ya?
[John:] That's right...
[Joan:] [reading] The tapes and conversation details will all become completely anonymous... no one will know who's used the words or whose voice are on the tapes... together they will provide a permanent record of how the English language is spoken in the nineteen nineties [] we'll go down in posterity, eh?
[John:] Yes, yes, it's a good thing really...
[Joan:] You can put one on them we've converse for the, put it on for the evening
[John:] Well it says if you have to do it when the television's on, we never have the television off... [LAUGHTER]...
[Joan:] Put it on at seven o'clock er Emmerdale Farm, but you see when it goes on you feel as though you're tongue tied... [reading] all be completely anonymous []... these are all same, but they're different
[John:] Yeah, well I think those are when, you know, if, if I take one of those with me... and somebody s and somebody er says well why, why are you taping this conversation you know, you, I can give 'em one of those
[Joan:] Yeah... and you won't if, do you, won't have to tell 'em what you're getting for doing it, you're just, you're just doing it for interest so to speak
[John:] Yeah I know
[Joan:] reckon you're doing it
[John:] Well I am actually, I am actually doing it for interest... it's not gonna be easy mind ya
[Joan:] Well it isn't because you've got
[John:] because you've got a something that's absolutely foreign to what we do, we don't er
[Joan:] We'll have to ask Freda and Ken over one night for their suppers
[John:] Yeah secretly
[Joan:] Well no you see you can't can ya?
[John:] Oh yeah, what oh yes, oh without a doubt Joan, er you can do it, you could have the name and you could have who talked to them and, and then I can tell 'em that what, I've done this you see and that'd be the end of it... it does suggest that you don't tell them before you tell them after and then you sort of give them the opp the opportunity of me knocking, not recording it you see, wiping it off the tape, because it stunts the conversation.
[Joan:] Yeah it does, you see if Ken and Freda or anybody knew they were being televised they'd be careful of what they said
[John:] Yeah, if they come up to you with a microphone and say would you like to say a few words for the television programme yourself
[Joan:] I wouldn't I'd dry up I wouldn't know what to say
[John:] You're like er like butter melting
[Joan:] If you've plenty of time for thinking about it
[John:] Yeah, it really wants to be all written down so you can read it off don't it?
[Joan:] [yawning] That's right [] and can you play that back then to see what it sounds like?
[John:] Yes, she was saying was the lady that they erm... er
[Joan:] Where she come from?...
[John:] She's a local woman, she's a local woman
[Joan:] Is she?
[John:] Yes you can play it back although they don't suggest, they don't proposed you do that, because the batteries might not last you see
[Joan:] Oh yeah
[John:] er, it's only fort the forty five minutes per... per tape, erm per side, er and I think it's after three, three, three tapes you chuck the batteries away and she left another, a load of batteries
[Joan:] Oh my goodness
[John:] so, erm
[Joan:] she expects you to be busy then all next week doesn't she?
[John:] Yeah, well that's true I did, I did say to her, I says well erm... are you interested in performance, I said do you want, you know, is it a lot you want? Well she said it's up to you how you go on really, you know the more, the more you can do the better or less, see how it works out, cos you don't really know do ya? You don't really know and they
[Joan:] And that cos
[John:] suggesting that a couple of days, oh a couple of days is, is enough really, if you, if you get two days out of it
[Joan:] Mm
[John:] [sigh]
[Joan:] and what's the, where you can go you see for
[John:] Oh well mind you
[Joan:] cos it isn't as though, see if we're at Queensbury we're going to Doreen and Frank's and, and, and that's, that's our, that's our conversation
[John:] Yeah, oh aye I can, I can, I can some conversation
[Joan:] Now if they'd of had Emma with them
[John:] Oh, but you see that, that, that doesn't always apply, because if I go into the library and I take it with me and I sit by er, that gentleman who keeps handing me the paper or that lady you know
[Joan:] Mm
[John:] who speaks to you, er it's easy enough to just er have the microphone handy that they don't see and just switch the tape on and I'll record what they're saying, come away, see, do it secretly like that, they don't have to know really that they're on tape... and it doesn't really matter, I mean the people who will listen to these tapes are er anonymous you know
[Joan:] Well they, you're anonymous with these an'all aren't ya?
[John:] Yeah you are...
[Joan:] That, and where was she going then? Where was
[John:] She didn't say, because really I were, I were interesting in going in the, in the kitchen you see, cos I knew you
[Joan:] Did she have a car?
[John:] I didn't even notice that, but I did notice her across the road at Mrs... and know so right she'd been there... I just didn't notice where she went, but I heard the bell ring and I could see this anorak through there and me mind thought Mrs, perhaps it's Mrs but then when I saw this... this lady well... I just didn't know what to think really.... But you see three quarters of an hour, if we, if we, when er Ken, Ken and Freda's an hour and a half, er, it soon goes an hour and a half with company like that don't it?
[Joan:] Mm
[John:] And Ken and Freda have plenty to talk about, by God aye, Freda will have anyway...
[Joan:] [cough]
[John:] but you don't realize what's going on do ya in all, in the country? According to the, the pamphlets here it's, it's government funded... all government funded job...
[Joan:] Ooh you'd think they had nothing else to spend their money on it, I think it's silly, there's enough words in the dictionary...
[John:] Good and bad...
[Joan:] What, [reading] how you're doing, doing a conversation at home cooking dinner, working and eating in office, serving a customer in a shop, in a car or a bus a train, out shopping with a friend, in a pub []
[John:] I can hear ya...
[Joan:] It said John here, it said er [reading] only include people who speak to you
[John:] There's not many of them around is there?
[Joan:] don't forget to include your own details [] yeah
[John:] It's erm
[Joan:] if you, even if you just go in a shop and ask for something, I tell you what I'll send you in butchers with it, for one or two bits and
[John:] He'll talk won't he?
[Joan:] Yes get him talking in butchers or if there's a few in it can be handy for listening to their, won't it?
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] Yeah, I'll send you in the butchers...
[John:] Oh it's a bigger
[Joan:] where would you hide it on you?
[John:] oh in me pocket... anywhere
[Joan:] say it's er, [reading] in a pub or restaurant er in a shop etc []... in a restaurant
[John:] cos
[Joan:] [reading] case of a shop assistant and you don't know their name, don't, write don't know on the first line of shop assistant under occupation, only include people who speak to you []
[John:] Why?
[Joan:] Oh why you're having to speak, you having to have the other people talking to each other, the people who speak to you...
[John:] Oh you don't realize how important speech is and conversation until you, somebody asks you to record it, how much conversation you're, you're involved in.... [yawning] oh dear []
[Joan:] Oh if you collect some materials she'll give you a pet a gift token for twenty five pounds, goodness gracious me....
[John:] [yawning] oh, oh dear... oh []... She said that one, one lady... did a lot of recording and then played it back and listened to herself and didn't like her own voice so she wiped it all off... and handed it in.
[Joan:] Well that's silly because nobody'd known it was her would they?
[John:] No exactly, no
[Joan:] You sound awful there, so
[John:] I agree, I don't think you realize how you sound, no
[Joan:] You don't, no you don't...
[John:] [yawning] Oh dear []... anyhow I'll get myself a drop of drink, you say it's seven o'clock do ya?
[Joan:] That's right, mm, mm
[John:] Anything you need?
[Joan:] No thanks love, not yet... [reading+whispering] that's with the conversations, spoken English, guidelines for recording conversations, guidelines for recording conversations []... [reading] As soon as you've been involved in a conversation, press the record down to start recording [] oh yeah these are to show people what you're doing for
[John:] Yeah... well I'll learn to take over and just, just learn
[Joan:] That's right
[John:] Will you have one of these love? Just to
[Joan:] No thank you John, no thank you, would you like one of my chocolates? Are you having one now?
[John:] No I'm alright thank you
[Joan:] Oh I don't want one really... [yawn]
[John:] Trouble is, trouble is you see if you er if you leave her alone you don't know just how she's gonna go on do ya?
[Ken:] No
[John:] Then then the problem is
[Ken:] you're guilty all the time
[John:] Aye that's right
[Joan:] Yeah if you don't go every day, yes, that's
[Ken:] once you've start you'll
[Joan:] yeah
[Ken:] you've had it
[Joan:] It's a good job it's not all that far away int it? I mean
[Ken:] No, it is
[Joan:] you spend most of your time like that
[Ken:] she thinks I should do it, you know
[John:] How old is she Ken?
[Ken:] Eighty nine going on
[Joan:] Oh, and you see if you didn't go Ken she'll wonder where you were
[Ken:] Aye
[Joan:] she'll say I wonder where [LAUGHTER] you were, cos they are like that [] aren't they?
[John:] And does doctor call regular?
[Ken:] Never comes near
[Joan:] Oh they should do you know
[John:] Aye
[Joan:] shouldn't they? They're supposed to go every week
[Ken:] I don't think they even bother me [LAUGHTER] for, for you know what I mean, what can you do about it?
[John:] Well if somebody doesn't you know
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] I tell you what, car's a bit frozen up this morning
[Ken:] every day
[John:] Ah
[Ken:] Good job I'm not working, having to take Freda on er, I used to hate that
[Joan:] Oh yeah
[Ken:] to scrape off at seven o'clock in morning
[Joan:] Yes
[John:] Oh, been good or
[Joan:] it soon melts though doesn't it?
[Ken:] Aye
[Joan:] With the sun, yes it's
[Ken:] aye once sun gets on it, it's away like, aye it is the fog and having to get in but then
[John:] That's life isn't it?
[Ken:] that's life
[John:] Mind you, you can't get down there can you?
[Ken:] Oh no, no
[John:] No
[Ken:] the road down is blocked, you couldn't get out, you wouldn't be able to open your doors
[John:] No that's right, that's true
[Joan:] Pauline's is very nice where they live, Michael doesn't bother taking his in, cos it's the gap, well they couldn't get it in the but Pauline's smaller car, she just gets it doesn't she?
[Ken:] Aye
[John:] Aye she does, yeah
[Joan:] And I thought I don't know how she manages to back that down, but she does, and it's a long drive like that int it?
[John:] Aye it is
[Joan:] But she
[Ken:] That's all I think about if, if it conks and won't start again, you can't get out
[John:] No, no
[Joan:] No, no
[John:] no that's right
[Joan:] No
[John:] mind you, you'll be surprised how wide it is you know from your steps... from your pipe to your wall there Ken
[Ken:] Aye pipe you might get passed with it wouldn't like to see
[Joan:] I wouldn't bother
[John:] No
[Joan:] I wouldn't like to think I were guiding [LAUGHTER] you down there []
[Ken:] No, I, I would just put it in at this end and it's amazing how I did it
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] See you then Ken
[Ken:] Ta-ta
[Joan:] Ta-ta
[Ken:] thank you...
[John:] Er, and you know, you can drive yourself crazy really
[Joan:] Yeah oh yeah
[John:] going on one to another, but it's just sad really we can't do any, much more you see
[Joan:] Yeah, it's just, I don't want him to start up in the summer again
[John:] No, no, no, yeah
[Joan:] those bloody two store lorries
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] and back, because he does that every year, you don't hear it in the winter, it's every summer he starts, he starts
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] that up of a night and he has it going all night
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] and you can't watch them, the air's stiller I think in the summer
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] Have a through the night and you can't sleep
[John:] No
[Joan:] even up, further up the road to us can't, have turned round and said they can't sleep
[John:] No, well what I was going to do, er, I thought I might write to the Council and say, seeing that er, it's important to have that there
[Joan:] Mm...
[John:] I'm gonna write and say and seeing that they're going to reorganize the way they're gonna collect the community charge, you know, they're gonna do it on houses
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] rather than people
[Joan:] Yeah...
[John:] I were gonna ask for a reduction in community charge
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] er gonna erm
[Joan:] which you won't get [LAUGHTER]
[John:] Well aye but if you, if we do it you see
[Joan:] cos they got that bloody many that aren't paying haven't they?
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Sid:] Yeah
[John:] There was a programme on this morning, I don't know if you saw it or not?
[Joan:] No I didn't no
[John:] No
[Joan:] I've been out, I've been out since half seven this morning well
[John:] er
[Joan:] twenty past seven this morning
[John:] it was amazing really there were one young man there from er, er London polytechnic and he was a very arrogant young man, er and there were all kind of things came out
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] you know he said well er, he was talking about erm, er this Trident thing
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] why don't the Council, but all that's really
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] to do with government rather
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] than paying your community charge
[Joan:] Oh aye
[John:] I mean they must pay the cover
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] you see his expenditure was er, he, he, he, just to put it down to a very minor thing, you're spending four pound a week
[Joan:] Mm
[John:] four to five pound a week on beer er but he wouldn't pay a pound a week, and he's come, a pound a month
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] on his community charge, erm, but it's, it is a problem really, it is a problem
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] but I haven't really got any further, haven't got, got any further
[Joan:] Oh
[John:] and I don't really know where to go to now you see
[Joan:] No, well this is it isn't it?
[John:] Now I mean we, we did very well going up there and
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] spending an, an evening waiting for him and seeing him
[Joan:] Yeah... anyway I better get
[John:] so we'll let it drive a bit anyway [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] Aye
[John:] we'll see how it goes
[Joan:] see ya anyway
[John:] Yeah...
[Sid:] Put the money in a, on a br corner r r of a bridge, it's just outside Barnsley
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] why weren't the police there when they
[John:] well there, there it is
[Sid:] They've picked the money up
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] run across er, they must've gone across er some lines... and got on a motorbike, but where were the police?
[John:] Well there's so many of 'em about really
[Sid:] Well that's asking the question
[John:] Yeah, yeah that's right
[Sid:] yes Daily Express...
[John:] there's that many of them really, you'd think there'd be
[Sid:] Yes
[John:] be a, I don't, I don't, I don't think
[Sid:] that wouldn't of happened in
[John:] No
[Sid:] any other country do
[John:] No
[Sid:] nobody er put
[John:] no
[Sid:] they want eight hundred and fifty odd thousand pounds now and nobody watching them
[John:] Yeah, yeah
[Sid:] they're comedians
[John:] mind they have got they've got the curlm they've got the girl back haven't they, that's one
[Sid:] Oh aye
[John:] aye that's one great thing
[Sid:] Oh aye
[John:] where they're
[Sid:] I've no, I've no excuse for police out
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] on its job, no it's
[John:] well
[Sid:] anybody with intelligence knows
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] who's going this, who, what, who's going to answer if they put a hundred and fifty, a hundred and seventy thousand, five pound down and nobody will watching it being who did it?
[John:] I think they'll catch them though, I think they will catch 'em
[Sid:] It's not a matter of catching them
[John:] No
[Sid:] I very much doubt they will
[John:] Yeah, don't, don't you think they will?
[Sid:] No
[John:] No
[Sid:] there's, there's
[John:] yeah
[Sid:] the police
[John:] Yeah...
[Sid:] but why the hell, money put down and the village in er just outside of Barnsley
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] mostly be
[John:] they'll be working on the, they'll be working on the kidnapper's instructions though wouldn't they? They would be working on the kidnapper's instructions, the police?
[Sid:] The police?
[John:] Aye
[Sid:] On aye the, the senior detectives
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] but where were the police?
[John:] Mm... but it's sad affair really int it? Really sad affair
[Sid:] It wouldn't of happened in America if were
[John:] no, wouldn't of happened in Russia either, it wouldn't of happened in Russia
[Sid:] Yeah
[John:] [LAUGHTER]... er...
[Sid:] We can't even, you mean to tell me there's all these bombs keep going off wi it didn't, if it had happened in France... police carry bloody guns
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] and all sorts
[John:] You don't think we're strong enough then, police?
[Sid:] Strong enough?
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] We're not strong enough
[John:] cos they did, they work on a softer approach you know the police, they're not, they're not on the hard
[Sid:] They're not strong enough
[John:] No, no...
[Sid:] If a fella walked in here now with a bloody gun I'd
[John:] it's er, it's
[Sid:] it's like America
[John:] it save a lot of money er all these pensioners get 'em all shot off [LAUGHTER]
[Sid:] Aye, now, wait a moment, wait a moment show common sense, if, if, if it'd happen in America in five minutes there'd be a hundred bloody policemen out there
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] with guns
[John:] yeah, yeah... I must admit it's a poor do when they know exactly where the criminal's going to be at a certain time and then they let 'em go
[Sid:] Number of time they can't catch anybody
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Sid:] they're only going on people's information
[John:] Yeah...
[Sid:] it's a big, in this town it's kept quiet, it happened on Monday night... of course there's gonna be a bloody big shake up in Lancashire police, it happened in this town there er, er, er a robbery at a bungalow where an old lady were
[John:] Is that right?
[Sid:] Yes, it's been kept quiet
[John:] Was anybody injured, anybody hurt?
[Sid:] Well the old woman's in hospital
[John:] Er, and it hasn't been reported yet then?
[Sid:] Aye, pardon?
[John:] It hasn't been reported in the papers then yet?
[Sid:] No
[John:] No
[Sid:] they've, they've not put nothing in the papers
[John:] Whereabouts, whereabouts was this happened?
[Sid:] Oh I'm not saying anything
[John:] No
[Sid:] I know where it's happened
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] yeah.
[John:] We've to be on our guard all the time really, we've to be on our guard all the time, all the time...
[Sid:] Lately this town there's more layabouts in this town and some and anywhere in Lancashire... you don't, they're not Lancashire people, oh they're homeless and they live in, in boarding houses at the expense of er the tax payers
[speaker006:] Where they supposed to live then?
[Sid:] Yes
[John:] Where they supposed to live?
[speaker006:] Yeah
[Sid:] drawing income tax
[speaker006:] In boxes
[Sid:] er yeah drawing social security yes
[speaker006:] Silly old sod
[John:] Yeah
[speaker006:] where these people supposed to live I wonder
[Sid:] Just and get bigger shake up it's ever had in it life who persecutes life, it's coming now, we come... as old as we are.
[John:] Mind you it makes you wonder whether the democracy itself is in trouble you know
[Sid:] Yeah... it's about time it were shaken up now that Labour Party er this government er, erm they're agreeing to this, this has to be done and that has to be done... you put notices up on buses all over Britain no smoking in the buses, now in the big restaurants they're going to have to between now and July put notices up, no smoking in restaurants
[John:] I agree with that... I agree with that [LAUGHTER]
[Sid:] Yes...
[John:] mind, I've never smoked in all me life so I don't understand it really, I don't er understand how people suffer really
[Sid:] Why can't, tell me, this, how this is the intelligence and that, had er
[speaker006:] Well I dunno I think that they would follow if they wanted to roll up they can do they do with
[John:] Aye, do you think so?
[speaker006:] I used to smoke heavy
[John:] Did ya?
[speaker006:] packed 'em up just
[John:] Yeah
[speaker006:] like that
[John:] cos I've never smoked you see so I don't really understand
[speaker006:] Right
[Sid:] this... the, what makes me laugh is that people's intelligence, they walk along a street shopping and as soon as they walk into a restaurant they sit down and start smoking
[speaker006:] Yes, that's one place they shouldn't be allowed
[Sid:] Yes
[John:] well they're just saying they're gonna put notices up in, first of July
[Sid:] Well in British Homes Stores' restaurant the rest of them and all them big, they've been putting them up
[speaker006:] Well they have smoking areas up in those
[John:] Yeah, yeah
[speaker006:] restaurants like
[Sid:] Because them who own the restaurant they'll get er they'll be fined on the Common Market laws
[John:] That's if we take any notice of them eh?
[Sid:] Pardon?
[John:] That's if we take any notice of them
[Sid:] Who? And the person what's
[John:] our authorities really
[Sid:] I know and listen
[John:] they won't clean our beaches up
[Sid:] listen
[John:] really, we won't clean the sea up, we didn't bother with that
[Sid:] Yeah, didn't, you don't
[speaker006:] And water's the same way
[John:] Yeah water's the same way innit?
[Sid:] there's hundreds of French, Germans they're waiting until the first of July and they'll be in this country in a flash.
[John:] Well we've, well I, I come originally from Yorkshire
[Sid:] Yeah and then and then
[John:] and we and we were selling er mohair to France, all, all my working life into France we're selling mohair and our into, into France all my working life
[Sid:] They're blaming, they're blaming
[John:] so whether the French come over here or not I think we're quite ready to cope with them here
[Sid:] they're blaming er parents are blaming school teachers about the kids, now where I live kids are running around up to eleven o'clock at night sometimes, it's not the teachers to blame it's the parents
[John:] No, it's educational system that's wrong
[Sid:] Aye, they live at Silverdale
[John:] What were your job? What did you do?
[Sid:] aye, erm
[John:] what did you do as a job?
[Sid:] The youngest has just gone
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Sid:] to school and he can read, the parents are not concerned about reading, mm
[John:] I think this system of getting all the children to sit round a table and be taught as a group is wrong, I think they should be taught individually, should have a desk of their own and, and the teacher should stand there and deliver the lesson er to each person... but that's, that's the way it goes
[Sid:] Nine out of every child will be and how many children in England can speak German?...
[John:] Well you're painting a very dark picture for us this morning aren't ya?
[Sid:] Well it's true
[John:] About old people getting mugged and schools and police in trouble [LAUGHTER]
[Sid:] Well it, if they're, if they're pointed going to come, if we're going to come a full member of the Common Mark it's no laughing, we laughed, we laughed at bloody Hitler didn't we? And we nearly come under it er were only for the Yanks.
[John:] Well if er, if they'd left it a bit later
[Sid:] What
[John:] if the Yanks of left it a bit later they'd of missed all the action
[Sid:] Would they? Well we couldn't of stopped Hitler...
[John:] Ma maybe so, maybe so, but
[Sid:] Oh you can never mind this country's never won a major war on its own and never will do
[John:] the Americans are the Americans came into the, to the last war to satisfy their own ends
[Sid:] and that, I'm saying that how it ends
[John:] they weren't bothered about all this
[Sid:] I'm saying that I'm an English member, we've never won a, a major war on its own... look what's, what's happened in, yeah, never won a major war on its own and never will do, there's no nation in the world could beat a German army and, er what would built up
[John:] On fear
[Sid:] Yes
[John:] I agree with ya, they'd built
[Sid:] they went up high
[John:] the army was, it were built up like the er, er Mafia, it were built on fear, yes
[Sid:] there's no constellation to stop each other
[John:] if you didn't do what they wanted to do they did, they did you in, they sent you to Belsen
[Sid:] Japan this cou did this country er good, even though they bombed er Pearl Harbour they did this country a good... a good what's it shall we say
[John:] Oh they did, they brought they brought the Americans in, yeah
[Sid:] they brought the Yanks in, aye, they brought the Yank
[John:] and that that's why the Americans came into the war, they didn't come into the war to look after us, they came in to look after their own interest in the
[Sid:] No, I know
[John:] into the
[Sid:] well listen
[John:] don't run away with the idea that anybody's ever helped us
[Sid:] listen
[John:] because we have done everything we should of done, we've defended the right all over the world, we went to the Falklands, we, we defended the right in it
[Sid:] Well why weren't we, aye, well why weren't we ready? Why ain't we army?
[John:] You don't think we'll be chucked out of this library for talking too loud do ya? [LAUGHTER]
[Sid:] Well why, well listen, well why, what the, you tell him
[speaker006:] I can't be bothered
[Sid:] tell us why wasn't this country ready
[speaker006:] boring people, boring hours, what about the people who are getting the rent off it eh? What about that?
[Sid:] Sen fancy sending army wagons across to France before Dunkirk, to, to stop bloody tanks, that's how bloody intelligent Britain is.
[John:] Is it all wallpapered or?
[speaker006:] Most of it, yes, why, what you looking for?
[John:] Well no I just, I just notice some jackets with them things
[speaker006:] Oh well we sell er... mostly work clothing you see
[John:] I see yeah
[speaker006:] industrial shoes and boots
[John:] Yeah
[speaker006:] and bedding that sort of thing... mostly wallpaper, yeah
[John:] Oh... that looks like an oil with a on it
[speaker006:] It is, yeah
[John:] Six pounds fifty... oh that's handy Joan isn't it?
[Joan:] Mm
[John:] That's handy
[Joan:] I think now I remember hearing you saying nearly all wallpaper
[John:] Yeah... Ah they're all right if you want a couple of wallpaper jobs, a couple of rolls isn't it?
[Joan:] Yeah they are, yes
[John:] Aye... oh no, oh no when you look at that, what does that say there?... What does that say?
[Joan:] Twelve pounds
[John:] That can't be twelve pounds surely, it's slightly imperfect, twelve pounds each... oh well at least we've looked haven't we?
[Joan:] Mm
[John:] That's one thing, yeah... Pardon?
[Ken:] The Salvation Army in look
[John:] Oh eh, have we had one have we?
[Joan:] Ooh, yes just a minute
[John:] have we had one? Oh
[Ken:] I think we've got one
[Joan:] Well I have, would you give me another one please?
[Ken:] Yeah I will, yes, here
[Joan:] I do remember that don't know
[John:] Gonna cost you a fortune in envelopes innit?
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER] You want it now?
[John:] Having it now or what?
[Joan:] Yes please
[Ken:] Yes, just a minute...
[John:] How's the world treating you then?
[Ken:] Very well, yes, yes
[Joan:] Oh dear
[Ken:] can't grumble
[John:] Well that's the way to do really
[Ken:] Aye, well you get nothing for grumbling do ya?
[John:] No you don't, no... see they've had er mums and tots down at the centre today
[Ken:] Oh yeah yeah they've had a good time I think down there
[John:] When's your next jumble sale?
[Ken:] Oh I think there's one a month, we had one last week
[John:] Ah
[Ken:] about one a month I'm told, I think
[John:] we'll keep 'em like, we've had one or two little bits and we've taken 'em down you know and
[Ken:] Yeah, that's the best way really... yeah... amazing where it all comes from
[John:] Well it's to be all really that somebody can make a use of these things innit?
[Ken:] Oh yeah
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] yeah, aha
[John:] when Joan's aunty died we, we gave all the stuff to er... the in er near, near Bradford
[Joan:] I don't know if they're frosty or not, I don't know whether
[Ken:] Bradford?
[John:] Yeah oh it don't matter yes
[Ken:] Yeah yeah
[John:] by we lived there
[Joan:] Thank you
[John:] so
[Ken:] Oh did you? My daughter used to live there
[John:] Oh did she? Oh Oh well a nice pla that's a posh place
[Ken:] Oh it's nice the building int it? Very high though and
[John:] Ha, look, look, there's a friend of yours across there...
[Joan:] Oh there's a few of them yeah, right
[John:] Oh yeah
[Joan:] thank you
[Ken:] There's that, okay?
[Joan:] I don't know She what?
[Ken:] She got conned...
[Joan:] It's sticking a bit is that, that John listen
[Ken:] Oh aye daft weather
[John:] Aye
[Joan:] Yeah, come in
[John:] in what way er Ken?
[Joan:] I think it's because I've er, erm
[Ken:] Well
[Joan:] will you have a cup of coffee?
[Ken:] No thanks, no I'm alright
[Joan:] What about you dear?
[Ken:] Don't want to hold you up pet
[Joan:] Oh you're alright you're not, I'm not going out this morning
[Ken:] No, er
[Joan:] I've plenty of time
[Ken:] Aye, so you end up marking it then and er, well she did, she got me to go there second time, and he said well you can't you see er
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] ones you've picked, oh he said they're twenty five
[John:] Ah
[Ken:] but it was a nicer looking thing
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] Ah he said, this is twenty er poor thing
[John:] Oh
[Ken:] beside her, and these are twenty five, I said you didn't say that before, oh yes I did he said, I think oh well I'm not wasting my time here arguing with you
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] aye
[Ken:] So I took that, then when I get it home it, it soon a sight worse then I can tell ya, he did a, a that was higher than that
[Joan:] Yeah, yeah well it's not so bad is that
[Ken:] no one end
[Joan:] isn't it?
[Ken:] you know
[Joan:] No and then you have
[Ken:] so we settled for that but er, it was an inferior weren't it one we
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] had, but he said it were twenty in the end and then he changed his mind at twenty five so
[John:] And are they, are they feather-lined or are they
[Ken:] No, they're er
[John:] Ours are feather int it?
[Joan:] Well we have two
[John:] Ah
[Joan:] and the, the one that we had before we came here
[John:] the one we had er big bed thirteen tog
[Joan:] That was fifty odd pounds
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] Oh
[Joan:] it's a Fog er Fogarty is it?
[John:] Er
[Joan:] Fogarty or something and it's still we duck it down
[John:] Duck down int it?
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] and it's, it's thirteen point five tog, that's heaviest
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] it's king size, now that is too warm, we only put that on in winter
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] it's too warm in summer isn't it?
[John:] But it's amazing
[Joan:] But I mean
[John:] it's amazing how much heating it retains
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] Er well that, well then we decided to get us, er one for summer and we went on the market and I think, was it a nine tog that's all?
[John:] All, it's a very light one
[Joan:] I think it's either nine or six
[John:] Oh I'll tell you where we bought that in market
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] and it were, it were nine ninety nine
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] weren't it? And
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] we find that we put that on in summer and it, it feel, keeps us warm even when weather just goes a bit
[Ken:] Yeah, yeah
[Joan:] you know dodgy
[John:] That was a Sunday market
[Ken:] Aye
[John:] that was a Sunday market
[Ken:] Ah this is a big thick thing it is
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] it's warm enough like
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] I'm not complaining
[Joan:] And, and what is it? Is it, this one that we've got
[Ken:] It's fibre stuff in it
[Joan:] Ah this is fibre that we have on this bed
[John:] Mind you we find that, we find that other one
[Joan:] Mind you this is easier, I'm sure it is
[John:] at night alright, that one er
[Joan:] I, I did not show him
[John:] with the, with the fibre and whatnot it's fine, that's alright
[Joan:] Oh we're warm enough
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] find it's a real
[Ken:] When I, when I first came out I bought one at er... that'd be about fifty quid somewhere round there, duck down
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] and it's done alright, but all feathers seemed to gone to outside now
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] er, er, although we've shaken it up, we've shaken it up
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] it, they all seemed to stay outside, you know, can't seem to
[Joan:] This, this on the small on the, on the spare
[John:] Oh that's a point in there
[Joan:] bed, er is a diamond and it's got hollow fibre
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] but I think it's, total value John is only four point five
[John:] Now then, er
[Joan:] only point, er, four point five and it's plenty warm enough int it?
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] In inside that
[John:] You know once you're on that system you've got to have a light one and a heavy one
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] because you've to make arrangements for the weather
[Ken:] Mm, oh that as well we could always put other back in winter, in summer you know
[John:] Yeah...
[Joan:] but that one on, that big one... that there is too hot in summer
[John:] Oh it's a nuisance an'all
[Joan:] we keep it on and then we decide oh
[John:] summer time
[Joan:] can't sleep with it, so erm, and yet we've found it's fine
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] with this last winter
[Ken:] Mm my feet are sweating now, but, she seems to have a bug in there or summat, cos it's more like a burning than a sweat, it
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] she seems
[Joan:] Mm, I'm not surprised are you? The way the weather it's changing
[Ken:] No I
[John:] It's very changey
[Joan:] Well it's mild this morning isn't it?
[John:] gonna be warmer today anyway it says
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] lighter on the showers, it's gonna ease off
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] that's their forecast anyway
[Joan:] Well which market did you get it from? I mean
[Ken:] Main market erm, but he er, I didn't like him like er
[John:] They all at top
[Joan:] They're not genuine are they?
[John:] they all at top, you can get it up easy enough can ya?
[Ken:] Well I had a go at it and it, well knowing
[John:] Yeah, yeah
[Ken:] it's inside cover it doesn't
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] can't see
[John:] What quantity is it? Is it oh two yard
[Ken:] Quite a big spread, no it's about that big a diameter and
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] it's obviously scraped on summat
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] it's not bad, it's, it's, but we know it's there that's the only thing
[Joan:] Yeah remember that morning we bought ours it was in summer and it was a, a Pakistani girl
[John:] It was, yes
[Joan:] er
[John:] she looked er, she looked really to be new at the job
[Joan:] I've never seen
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] very young and
[Joan:] she's not there now
[John:] No
[Joan:] the stall's not there now, and all the thick one and thins are all alike
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] nine ninety nine well I supposed it's not to miss
[John:] And they're all good quality
[Joan:] if it only lasts twelve months
[John:] all good quality they looked didn't they?
[Joan:] Yeah and clean very clean, yeah
[John:] But it's a matter of look
[Joan:] Well they were wrapped up weren't they?
[John:] it's a matter of look when you go in the market
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] Oh it is int it, yeah
[John:] er if you go to er, er a major store, if you go to Marks and Spencers, somewhere like that, it's on a return basis, but with the market it's a little bit here today gone tomorrow
[Ken:] That's it, that's it
[Joan:] They're like gypsies aren't they?
[John:] but you can be lucky you see I mean
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] we were lucky with that, with that er, with that one
[Joan:] Oh yes yeah
[John:] very fortunate
[Ken:] Well I wouldn't of taken first one back I er, I mean, it was, wouldn't of bothered me, it wouldn't, had spots that were on it
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] but this is worse mind than that was, but you can, it's obviously oil where that, that she said was blood that
[Joan:] And what tog is it?
[Ken:] Thirteen
[Joan:] Yes
[Ken:] Mm and that, that's it
[Joan:] Yeah that, that's right it is it's like Howard in, as same as Howard's, well she really wanted
[Ken:] Oh yeah well we had a blanket on an'all and we took that off
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] [LAUGHTER] Yeah []
[John:] Well the, that, I should think so an'all by God
[Joan:] but you know that one what Pauline has on her bed when we go, that's only thin
[John:] Very, very light
[Joan:] but you know we, we might feel cold when we get in at first, oh we haven't been in long before it's warm isn't it?
[John:] Warm I just said
[Ken:] No, no if you use them as they should be used they're alright
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] [clears throat] but er Freda would have a blanket on in winter with that, it wasn't necessary you know
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] cos the nearer it is to you the, the warmer it is
[Joan:] Are you sure you won't have a coffee Ken?
[Ken:] Yes I'm alright thanks, I'm alright
[John:] When you're on blankets and you've been brought up on blankets er you're used to blankets
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] and I, I always felt if we have a change onto this er new system of er, of these quilts, I, I you know, I weren't too sure, but once you've changed I don't think you'd ever want to go back because in winter time when it's a bit cooler and you put more blanket on to keep warmer and then it becomes heavy
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] Oh I know they
[John:] but with this system they're not weight weighty at all, no
[Ken:] No, no...
[John:] and I've long feet you see and if I put have me feet straight up like that it er it's pressure on it
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] But them, them old blankets we had some because we need them when they come, I fold 'em
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] and put 'em on camp beds
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] ooh they are heavy them blankets
[Ken:] Mm, mm
[Joan:] and you know we used to have about four on didn't we at Queensbury
[Ken:] Aye
[Joan:] John?
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] Used to get up feeling tired
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] I never
[Ken:] And wash it, and washing them was another problem innit?
[Joan:] Ah it is it is, it's terrible because I don't think you can get, I don't know whether you can get a, I couldn't get one in my other washer but then
[Ken:] Well you'll get one in
[Joan:] yeah probably would
[John:] wouldn't you get one in that Princess that you got at first?
[Joan:] Oh yeah, but not in me
[John:] No, no
[Joan:] not in me twin tub I couldn't
[John:] No
[Joan:] Betty
[Ken:] I remem
[Joan:] used to take 'em and wash 'em for me
[Ken:] when I first got married I er, well not first she went in hospital for something or other when she had this before that, maybe when the scrapers or whatnot, I thought I'd do a job here I'll wash blankets
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] and I put 'em in near boiling water didn't I? [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] Oh I know there's wool in that
[Ken:] And the stink
[John:] I wouldn't of known that I'd of done that
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] the stink, urgh
[John:] I'd of done that
[Joan:] John would I don't think he knows
[John:] I'd of done that
[Joan:] what to put in there do ya?
[Ken:] The smell was awful and oh we er give a really good... blankets like
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] yeah really good wool blankets, ooh heck
[Joan:] Cos they last forever don't they?
[Ken:] Aye they, they would of done [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] They would of if you hadn't put them in a boil wash
[Ken:] It was just like a boil, [LAUGHTER] it was a big double it went to about single [] don't laugh
[John:] Wool is the best, it's the best warming commodity there is
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] it is with clothes it's erm
[John:] Yeah, yeah
[Joan:] if you get wool in clothes
[John:] carpets, clothes anything
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] It were real they were really good blankets my mother had bought them for us for er er wedding present
[Joan:] Mm, yeah that's, that's a good present isn't it?
[Ken:] Aye
[Joan:] Do you remember Frank brought, bought us one of that pal of yours
[John:] Yeah oh yeah
[Joan:] in the army... he bought us, but he worked, he, they owned er, erm
[John:] Well Hartleys the er, the knitting wool people of Keighley the er, his son I soldiered with him
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] there were one or two lads in our unit who were sons of er, of er manufacturing, one was er Crawford Biscuits you know, I soldiered with him and I don't know if you remember er erm, er but anyway, Frank, Frank at Keighley of course when I got, when we got married he, he came up and got us these blankets didn't he?
[Joan:] Well he used to visit didn't he?
[John:] Aye he did he used to visit yeah, well we lost contact with him really
[Joan:] Well you do over the years cos all ya
[Ken:] Yeah you do really
[Joan:] and he never got married did he? And he had a different life from us I think
[John:] Oh a different life totally
[Joan:] they, they, they went in different circles from others
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] and they're loners and he were very nice though
[Ken:] And when you've got a fam
[Joan:] weren't they John?
[Ken:] and when you've got a family anyway er
[Joan:] You don't you don't
[Ken:] you tend to drift away don't ya?
[Joan:] Yes you do
[Ken:] I was big mates with a lad at near Gatehead, Skipton you know?
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] But over the year we've drifted apart... they had a family, we had a family
[John:] By lord that's a grand place
[Joan:] What, oh we used to go regular up on a Sunday didn't we to?
[John:] Oh Christ the Railway Hotel at
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] Railway Hotel
[Joan:] that's right railway do you remember?
[John:] What did they call your mate then at?
[Ken:] Ben
[Joan:] Oh no, no
[John:] cos erm we knew somebody called Jack there a cricketer
[Joan:] He used to play cricket for Queensborough
[John:] his father had a public house in Keighley and then, then er when he got married Jack he bought a little business in Keighley which didn't do so well, so then he went and lived in
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] down Shady Lane
[Ken:] Ah that Shady Lane I know
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] It's a
[Ken:] mind you
[Joan:] lovely little place
[Ken:] my mate lived down that area then he, he moved up to far end Keighley end
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] there's a row of houses right on, by top
[John:] On the, yeah there is
[Ken:] right at the far end
[John:] at the at the other, other side
[Ken:] Yeah, yeah right at the far end
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] well they're kinda er half semi half terraced they are there
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] there maybe three in a block or summat like that, er he took second from far end and their lawn is high up, up the road you know
[Joan:] Mm
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] so he dug up the lawn and put a little garage in
[John:] That's good, that's
[Joan:] Mm
[John:] clever
[Ken:] on his own like
[John:] Had to move some stuff there then
[Joan:] Yes
[Ken:] He, he, well it was a council house when he moved in and he come to me... what'd be, ten, twelve years since he says, I've chance to buy that house he says, they want fifteen thousand he says what do you think? I said grab that house up sharp
[John:] Mm
[Ken:] he said do you think so? I said too true, get hold of it
[John:] It's a new area as well yeah
[Ken:] And the view is terrific
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] it looks right out on valley you know
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] and the right on down that valley... anyway he bought it and he it seemed a lot for buying a council house
[Joan:] Yes
[Ken:] but in the position it was and everything
[Joan:] Oh yes and now, mm
[Ken:] so he got it and it's a real cracker it is, real good house
[Joan:] Mm
[John:] the area as well, we've had lots of picnics there aren't we?
[Joan:] Yes, well it weren't far from where we lived
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] it didn't take long did it? About quarter of an hour at most I think
[John:] When we started to go there at first there were a fella, a fella from Keighley who was a weaver and he bought a bit of land at the side of the er, the side of the chapel, or was it the school? What's it, a chapel or school?
[Joan:] It was a gate road wasn't it?
[John:] It's opposite the park you go, you go into
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] the park's on your left
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] and it's the first road on your right
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] and it's either a school or a chapel there, to you, on your right
[Joan:] Mm
[John:] just before the road forks
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] and er, you go up that land there and we went quite regularly for picnics there, cos we had, we loved it there
[Joan:] Well you used to go fishing there didn't you?
[John:] Yes
[Joan:] In
[John:] er one of the well he bought the land and we saw him at different times build his bungalow it's a lovely bungalow now int it?
[Joan:] Yeah it went right from
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] from start
[John:] Er and his son helped him but I think in later on there were a little bit of disagreement with, with regards to who, how much work there was and, but anyway they'd finished the bungalow and er it's grand yes
[Joan:] It ought to be it's his house hadn't he?
[John:] But if you go down that road even further there was er a, a couple there bought one of the houses and er
[Joan:] An old one
[John:] yeah and I don't know what they give for it but it would it would be very reasonable but it's
[Joan:] They wouldn't give a lot because it was in a bad
[John:] a lovely situation, yeah
[Joan:] Of course people are doing that now
[John:] Well they are
[Joan:] buying old houses aren't they? And doing them up
[Ken:] Eh up, oh aye
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] and that's, that's er
[John:] Well
[Ken:] look at that couple up, in the lakes there, they're, they've bought... a barn that been done up
[John:] Yeah...
[Ken:] and it was already done up like and er
[Joan:] Mm, mm
[Ken:] they bought it and moved in and now Planning are saying that it, it wasn't a place, they pulled it down and rebuilt it so it has to come down
[John:] Ooh
[Ken:] and they've bought it
[John:] oh dear
[Joan:] Oh dear that's terrible int it?
[Ken:] Mm... can try and but look couldn't it? Come that way er like, they don't seemed to be giving it to 'em, and it was nothing to do with them, they bought it and, and they would have a search done as the reason when you buy houses aren't there?
[Joan:] I'd say I'd say that
[John:] Problem here you know it's solicitors that's wrong
[Ken:] Oh it's the solicitor that's wrong
[John:] Solicitor's wrong, yeah I mean that's what you pay 'em for really
[Ken:] Mm yeah and apart from that the bloke that sold it must have known cos he
[John:] He probably, that's why he's, probably why he sold it [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] I think it was in his er his agreement when he made it that it was only er a face up, it weren't to pull down and rebuild
[Joan:] They're nice these houses that we've said haven't we John? We wouldn't like to live in them now at our age
[Ken:] No
[Joan:] the two, we go, I mean
[Ken:] Yes
[Joan:] even the boat on the sands, there's some lovely bungalows
[John:] There is, yeah
[Joan:] but even there, if you haven't a car you're lost aren't ya I mean
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] you're not here, if you can't drive
[Ken:] You're alright
[Joan:] and you find that you've got to give your car up, you're still near shops and doctors
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] and everything aren't ya? You're not bothering with buses you needn't go anywhere need you?
[Ken:] No no
[Joan:] Just as long as you can walk
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] They're talking about up the Dales if you, if you, if you think of the marvellous place that goes around he's got
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] but, oh blimey winter time when it's snowing
[Ken:] Yeah I know
[John:] you're absolutely lost aren't ya?
[Ken:] er we went down valley yesterday and that way you know
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] I mean isolated farm houses in
[Joan:] Yeah they're lovely, they look lovely in summer don't they, you know, yes they do
[Ken:] Oh they do, yes they do like I mean going back forty seven round there... well perhaps you know, forty six weren't it? When that big snow was on it
[John:] Was it, ah, ah forty seven, forty six winter
[Ken:] Forty six, forty seven
[John:] Aye that's right, yeah
[Joan:] I dunno
[Ken:] and, and forty three previous to that, oh then it was just wiped off the map [LAUGHTER] you couldn't get to it no way
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] even trains, train station, all they were showing were rudders along station buildings, you couldn't see any buildings so
[John:] We've never been to station, d'ya know we've never been on the slope and I've, I've
[Ken:] Oh we went on went past there yesterday
[John:] I've often said that we go and have a look
[Joan:] What in it?, well when we went up onto the Roman battlement?
[John:] No
[Joan:] Isn't that it?
[Ken:] No
[Joan:] Ah
[John:] No no
[Ken:] no you go go out
[Joan:] [cough]
[Ken:] well the best way, well the way I always go is through Barbon, through Barbon and then into Dent and Dane is strung out about five mile or six mile you know it's just er Dane in itself is so lovely you get over from Barbon
[John:] The only thing I can think about
[Ken:] and then it's through
[John:] is that, aye, that stone monument in the middle of the square with a bit of a stone
[Ken:] Aye, aye
[John:] Chisel Fall that's
[Ken:] Cobble Street
[John:] Aye Cobble Street
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] Well that, well er you carry on from there and you go along... well five, six mile, through Dane Valley and then you come to point of the station, a quick turn left leads up by er
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] and
[John:] we will look, we'll go there some time cos I'm
[Ken:] you
[Joan:] Is it far from you?
[Ken:] Oh no
[John:] No
[Ken:] No, well I went today
[John:] half a day's out
[Ken:] and then over to Garsdale
[John:] there
[Ken:] er... then heading for Kirby station at the Old Cock Inn
[John:] Aye
[Ken:] then turn left, go Cock Inn, erm that er, turn that into Dane there
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] and then where, where the fast ways were looking down onto of it
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] like stopping there in the afternoon cos
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] you often get down the Tornados coming, whizzing down, below you, you know you're looking down as they come past
[Joan:] Yeah, yeah
[Ken:] er then up the end
[Joan:] That's where we go up to through
[John:] Aye
[Joan:] at cas er Steven
[Ken:] Kirby Station?
[Joan:] yeah er Steven
[Ken:] Aye well you've got
[Joan:] we can go that way, yes
[Ken:] Well you can either
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] and er, it were just ninety five mile and back here
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] after that
[John:] Well you consider that er, er quite a journey don't ya?
[Joan:] Oh aye, I said to John I said well I say well how far we're going cos I'm not keen on going right a long way
[Ken:] Aye
[Joan:] I like to go short get out and have a walk
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] [LAUGHTER] a picnic [] but er, that to me is a long way it isn't, it isn't in a chart, it isn't... in the summer
[John:] Well it's a long way, no it isn't when you come the you go you can go from here up to you can go in no, in, in no time, you can be there
[Joan:] Oh yeah
[John:] in, in a very short period of time cos as soon as you get on motorway
[Joan:] Cos we said we'd go to, for some time up to er, oh what motorway John? Scotland you know
[John:] Carlisle
[Joan:] Carlisle
[Ken:] Aye yeah
[Joan:] but I, I, I
[John:] I can do I could do Carlisle
[Ken:] That's about an hour innit?
[Joan:] but but you really need
[John:] Ah, yeah
[Joan:] a bit more daylight so that you can go it more, in the morning and you're not dashing back you can have a full day
[John:] No he's, er, er a gentleman that's a er, that's a traveller you hear what I'm saying?
[Joan:] But I know he's a traveller
[John:] You hear what he said?
[Joan:] No
[John:] One hour
[Joan:] One hour, oh well there you are
[Ken:] Fast in a car though
[John:] When you get on the motorway that is
[Ken:] Mind you that motorway
[Joan:] Yes
[Ken:] but, er
[John:] I would like to go Carlisle
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] I'm not fond of Carlisle
[John:] We took us caravan up that way a few years ago... I can't remember s what it called s sa what they call the men up there?
[Joan:] I don't know John
[John:] Up in Carlisle er s
[Joan:] oh yes mm we've just been once there
[Ken:] I mean er best way for facility, well if, if you're not in a hurry it goes up to lakes don't it?
[John:] Yeah it is
[Joan:] Well yesterday
[John:] Well we went straight on the motorway
[Joan:] on the way back we call at that place where you have in Miles Street
[John:] No
[Joan:] No Mill shop, we went into Lancaster, went into Lancaster
[John:] right on the river side on the river side
[Ken:] oh
[Joan:] parked opposite the
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] you know where the bus
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] over overflow, then we walked into Lancaster in to shops and then after that we went under, right, and had our picnic by river
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] river so we said well while we're there we'll go in poor shop it was it's just like do er, it were all wallpaper
[Ken:] Aye
[Joan:] I expected to see all kind of things you know
[Ken:] Yeah, yeah, no it used to be grand, but it
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] Did it? Were it
[Ken:] used to
[John:] bet better?
[Ken:] Oh a lot better than it is now
[Joan:] Oh well it were very poor I thought
[Ken:] a lot bigger than it is now
[John:] Aye
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] Where you go in, now you go into right don't ya? Well before you went
[Joan:] Yes
[Ken:] straight in, as you turn the corner you went straight into it and it was all in that building and that end
[Joan:] Oh well they've cut it down then ain't they?
[Ken:] Oh they have yeah
[Joan:] Cos it was just boxes of wallpaper
[John:] She weren't interested in showing us anything was she?
[Ken:] No she wouldn't be
[John:] No
[Joan:] Yeah, you, no, you said to her, er
[John:] Is this it?
[Joan:] is this all what you have then? Well she says what were you wanting? [LAUGHTER]
[John:] She said, oh
[Joan:] He said I wondered about floors you, one room up there, well she said we do, we do sell working clothes don't we? We sell working clothes, there were about two shirts and a towel and a pot towel I can get for about fifty P down there
[Ken:] Aye
[Joan:] on market
[Ken:] There wasn't much bottle at all, ah we went
[Joan:] In fact another couple went in with us and they came out
[John:] And they came out sooner than we did
[Joan:] sooner than we did
[Ken:] And there's another round but I've never been to it I've never been to it though
[John:] No...
[Ken:] Aye
[Joan:] But you're better taking your sandwiches with ya and flask, I enjoy sitting and, and
[Ken:] Well you waste so much time
[John:] That's it, that's the secret
[Joan:] You do
[John:] that's the secret
[Joan:] looking yeah
[John:] and then you might not find anything worthwhile
[Ken:] No, no
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] No I like, I like I'd, I'd rather have a
[Joan:] Mind you that's
[Ken:] with me you know
[Joan:] Oh I would
[John:] with you
[Ken:] That's, that's
[Joan:] That, that she used to live
[John:] Who's it?
[Joan:] further down her mother did didn't she?
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] well we'd call her black Barbara to de differentiate from other Barbara like
[Joan:] Like she had black hair and
[Ken:] Aye
[Joan:] the other Barbara yeah
[Ken:] I'd have black Barbara and
[Joan:] How is she, Barbara next door? I haven't seen her yet
[Ken:] Seemed to be pretty good fettle
[Joan:] Oh
[John:] She got over that... feeling low?
[Ken:] Aye
[John:] Said she was didn't she?
[Joan:] Oh yes, yes she's got over that now, yeah
[John:] It must be, it must of been tragic for her really
[Ken:] I mean you're bound to get depressed
[John:] Aye
[Ken:] when you're sat on your own for hours and hours and hours
[Joan:] We had a call on Friday her mother-in-law, you know Michael's mum
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] fell Thursday night, she got up to go to toilet during night and fell, Michael was sleeping there fortunately cos he's working in Yorkshire and she got a pain on her elbow anyway in the morning, so he took her to hospital and she'd fractured and they operated on her, same day, two hour operation, I haven't heard anything yet have we, we rang
[John:] No, no
[Joan:] Sunday and they were, say they were going down to see her in hospital, I mean that's terrible one arm and living on your own, I don't know how she'll manage
[Ken:] Yes, yes, aye
[Joan:] Polly said she'll have to have her up there, have to have her up there for a while she's very low
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] one arm
[Ken:] Aye, very awkward I mean
[Joan:] I mean if, if you live on your own you can't even peel a potato
[Ken:] No, no, can't
[Joan:] with one hand can ya?
[Ken:] No, well
[John:] She couldn't get a job as a washer up could she?
[Ken:] Yeah, you're, you're erm ambivalent
[Joan:] No she just could not
[Ken:] are bad enough innit?
[John:] Ah well that's right yeah you're normal
[Joan:] Well yes you're putting well I mean how d'ya put your tights on with one hand then?
[Ken:] How d'ya put your er, er right you don't realize till it happens
[John:] You're going you get your dressing gown on and call, but then you can't use your dressing gown properly can ya? Only put one arm in
[Joan:] Oh no everything's round here
[John:] only put one arm in
[Joan:] yeah be round
[Ken:] Very difficult
[Joan:] Oh it must be... erm
[John:] And when you're not so young either it's, makes it er more awkward still, although she's, she's erm, she's fairly well int she?
[Joan:] She's seventy one but she's very active, yeah
[John:] She's fairly active, yeah
[Joan:] she's very active, mm
[John:] Yeah, brought up on Mackintosh's toffees and
[Joan:] She used to work at Marks
[John:] Ooh the sweets
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] they could eat as many sweets as they wanted
[Ken:] Aye...
[Joan:] and she says they got sick of 'em cos they had everything
[Ken:] Well that's it they're, they're better saying you can have as many as you want because you
[Joan:] As many as you want
[Ken:] you don't want them now
[John:] No, no
[Ken:] psychological as well as getting fed up with them innit?... If they're there you don't want them, it's when you can't have 'em you want it
[Joan:] Is your daughter keeping alright?
[Ken:] Yeah she's, just at the moment she hadn't a complaint
[Joan:] Oh that's good
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER] Ah, ha, I said
[Joan:] Touch wood as they say
[Ken:] I say what's your trouble today then?
[John:] Here, here, here, here
[Ken:] We haven't got one
[Joan:] [cough]
[Ken:] That's marvellous [LAUGHTER]
[John:] It is isn't it, it's lovely when you know that they're alright
[Ken:] Last thing was they'd er [sniff] they'd got a fancy they didn't want er their Airedale, their dog is
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] fancy thing
[Joan:] Yeah Pauline has one that, they've made something soft ma it's, well it's er... I don't know
[John:] It's a fancy enamel but it isn't enamel is it? No
[Joan:] It isn't enamel
[Ken:] No, same type of thing
[Joan:] it's a soft thing yeah, well yeah, yeah
[Ken:] and it has a... or what do they call it? A vegetable thing on one side
[Joan:] In the, yeah in the middle yeah that's right
[Ken:] and, anyway... she was poorly for days and this Rita had just come on, poorly for days and they heard this crack, and they didn't think much about it, just as, Rita said what you doing? She said I ain't doing anything I'm just boiling potatoes, she said what went crack? She said I don't know, she said there's nothing to crack
[Joan:] is it really
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] well they'd of been here thought of been desperate for that wouldn't you?
[Ken:] Yes that's right and it was, that night it was leaking like
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] so it was a bit of er struggle to er, to get them to come and look at it and fix 'em up again, well they didn't fix 'em up they, they, they give 'em a new one, they only got it in the sale
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] but er... they but this time everything was happy, marvellous [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] Well Pauline's a devil for punishment I would say, she's got both lads at school now you know and she's home all day and she isn't one for sitting around Pauline
[Ken:] No
[Joan:] she likes plenty, you know, and er, she did take a course on baby minding and she passed everything like, she could baby mind
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] but she had, they have to have a fence built from the back garden, because there's, there's an opening from the back garden and it's onto the drive and then it's onto the road, even though it is a quiet road
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] so she's er, she's waiting for 'em to come to do that, anyway she's er, somebody rang her didn't they and they asked her if she'd have a little boy of four months old, Thursdays and Fridays all day... and she started this week with him, so... I said well Pauline
[Ken:] Four months old?
[Joan:] Yeah four months old and it, I said that's just the way you want them the better
[Ken:] Aye, yeah put them down and that's it
[Joan:] you put them in the pram but she's looked after her neighbour's two children hasn't she? For so many hours a week and she didn't mind at all you know
[Ken:] Aye
[John:] No
[Joan:] lots of people think well I've got them to school that's it then no more children
[Ken:] Aye, aye
[John:] In fact she wanted more children, she wanted more than two children
[Joan:] She did, if she'd of been married I think, she was, she wasn't
[John:] Younger
[Joan:] married until she was thirty, just
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] over thirty
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] she loved children and I think she would of had more because she'd had two miscarriages and she's
[Ken:] Aye
[Joan:] got these two, I think she would of had because she loves children
[John:] Oh she has enough certificates to of gone to teachers' training college, now that, I always feel although I think she's quite happy now, but for myself, for myself and I'm always er tempted by the fact that they always have twelve weeks' holiday you know, I mean in one go the teachers
[Ken:] Yeah, yeah
[John:] I think she would of been better as a teacher, because as Joan says she is er very taken up with looking after children
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] very much so
[Joan:] But she went in a library and got the certificate in the library
[John:] Aye, yeah well she, she was, you know there's a period of time where they, they sort of leave the grammar school and the, and the, they don't just know what they, what's gonna happen
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] she got the forms from the teachers' training college at er, at Shipley near er near where we were
[Joan:] yeah
[John:] they are, she got the forms er but it didn't go and you'd got to fill them in and then it happened with, but then suddenly she came home one day and she said oh she said I've got a job [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] so got er job at er at the library and then she seemed to be very settled
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] very settled in the library... er she went to the interview er and she said she'd er remembered everything that the teacher had told them about how to present themselves at interviews and she went down and the er, the librarian says well, asked her a few questions and he says
[Joan:] Sugar?
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] certainly oh yes I, I've look, I'll put some on then for a quick water
[Ken:] Nature of the play yeah
[Joan:] some quick, quick water in
[John:] He says what do you think you'd have to do in a library and she says she sat, she sat er still you know with her arms folded and all like that and she says, oh she says I think you er collect the books and stamp them and put them back on the shelves [LAUGHTER] and she said they all laughed, but she got the job in opposition to er, a few others you know
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] so she got the job and she was quite happy really
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] but them lib
[Joan:] You're not gonna worry about a saucer are ya?
[Ken:] No, no, no
[John:] being a librarian
[Joan:] Put your own sugar in it
[John:] being a, being in a library staff is er, being a librarian is a fairly responsible really
[Ken:] Oh it is, yeah... I wonder how nice it is?
[Joan:] Do you want any more milk in?
[Ken:] No, grand thanks, one of our drivers, he's er, his wife's in this er library here
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] but she's a right library type, miserable as sin
[John:] Oh golly, oh blimey she's all, that one she's always, she's always ready for setting off weren't she? Paula was always ready for setting off erm
[Joan:] What when she were at home?
[John:] When she was younger yes
[Joan:] Oh, oh yes...
[Ken:] Ours, this one, she left her kids and they haven't got a television, she wouldn't have a television in her house
[John:] No
[Ken:] you'd have to be study you know time and that there, ooh... I know it's a grand thing is education lessons, but
[John:] Oh thanks Joan
[Ken:] you want a bit of fun
[Joan:] Put your own sugar, oh you've got to do... here will you have a biscuit look erm
[Ken:] No thanks no, no no thanks
[Joan:] er malted milk biscuit?
[Ken:] No I won't have any thanks
[John:] We have to invite you up here you know you and Freda some evening
[Joan:] Yeah well when you've, you know when you're passing
[John:] we haven't
[Ken:] Aye, aye, had
[John:] well
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] you know we've been to your house a couple of times and
[Ken:] Aye, you only had, had a brew the second time you really do at our house
[John:] Oh...
[Ken:] you get settled in and out you know our life story innit?
[Joan:] Well in winter you don't do ya?
[Ken:] No
[Joan:] You don't feel like... feel like it in winter time
[John:] Well I don't stay up very late
[Joan:] You don't
[Ken:] I don't really
[Joan:] He went
[John:] Oh
[Joan:] well Sunday he went to bed and I just sat there
[John:] I'd rather get up in the morning
[Joan:] with Cloning of Joanna who went to bed didn't she?
[John:] Oh aye some of these f films are ma made people who
[Joan:] And I stopped up to watch snooker and it went on until after twelve
[Ken:] I saw it were on er
[Joan:] after eleven
[Ken:] I wouldn't of minded it, but I, I can't stop up at that like
[John:] Did you watch Judith Chalmers er holiday programme?
[Ken:] I saw some of it
[John:] Did you see that boat?
[Ken:] Oh aye, aye
[John:] Joan if that repeated if that is repeated we must, we must watch that, that's
[Joan:] I fell asleep, I were asleep and I it were on
[John:] the most marvellous, it's the most wonderful ship I've ever seen, ever seen
[Ken:] Yeah, aye it were great weren't it?
[John:] it didn't look possible to
[Ken:] No, no
[John:] to get the damp the er freighters and everything on
[Ken:] Oh the stuff they had on to eat didn't it?
[John:] Aye
[Ken:] Terrific...
[John:] Mind the prices weren't so bad either for four days, four hundred and odd
[Joan:] Did it show Scotland first?
[John:] It showed
[Ken:] It did show Scotland first
[Joan:] Yeah well I remember that then just sleep overcame me and I, I closed me eyes and the next thing I knew John says well I wished you'd of been awake to see that
[Ken:] It's unbelievable that
[John:] She was resting be thankful for Judith Chalmers
[Joan:] I were resting before Coronation Street
[John:] rest and be thankful
[Joan:] Oh yes, oh yeah, she's good int she? She's very good Judith
[Ken:] She wouldn't be on
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] if she has I wished I had a job like that when I were young by George, going abroad and
[John:] Well this morning I were listening to er Roy Normal on the, the Welsh radio programmes and he was talking to er various people and he told one young woman who had been in a certain area in world where they were filming, er and she'd gone to see this filming with Alan Ladd and all these, you know, and [LAUGHTER] anyway she goes... she went into the er local chip shop and the er assistant for the film, the labourer came in and ordered, ordered forty packet of chips and er and he was saying oh it were for film you see, so she thought I'd go down and see what's happening, so she went down to the pier end and they were all er doing the performance and er, the producer says now all you people there, he says that's interested, he said would you all go onto the pier, he says and talk he says and read, make it, you know make it interesting, so they all piled onto the pier and er, they filmed what they had to film with the pier in the background and all the people that were on the pier, so this girl was on the film you know, then after it had finished, he thanked everybody, he says now then don't walk off the pier, he says will you as you're going off walk past this, the table at the end there and their bloke give them three pound ten a piece [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] Oh
[John:] she were going with this lad through and it's the easiest three pound, three pound ten I've ever earned [LAUGHTER] Good though that int it? I'd like to be an extra
[Ken:] Aye
[John:] Not for the money just to be, just to see how they go on
[Joan:] Oh in Coronation Street
[John:] We could of been in that could, we could of been in er Emmerdale Farm
[Joan:] Oh yes there were when
[John:] We went to Emmerdale Farm, we went down to the pub you know and er I saw the old vicar and er, who else did we see? We saw, we saw one or two others that were involved, that were involved in it, and er I were talking to the, one of the young producers that were there and er... and I said if you're short of some ac actors I said me and my mate will be actors you know, oh she said you're dressed just right I'll tell ya
[Joan:] Frank you'd bought caps on
[John:] Flat, flat, flat caps [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] [LAUGHTER]
[John:] er, she said you're just right for it she said, but er... she said we've already finished filming for today, which they had, she said but if you come tomorrow, she said we're er, we're filming the dog race
[Joan:] That's right yes I remember that
[John:] she says and you can be in that
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] but of course we didn't go
[Ken:] No
[Joan:] Well we were just staying at our daughter's at the time
[John:] Er yeah
[Ken:] Er, a while back er... we'd run into Morecambe and well er a young lad I think it was for this, you know the series er for, pastimes, pastimes pursuit, you know er fishing and er
[Joan:] Mm
[John:] Yeah, yeah
[Ken:] one thing and another like, he were was one of the like
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] so, we went into Morecambe and he asked us to go back in the farm again with this ladder
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] nobody else
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] lock the door with the fastener and run back down and he had his head out the window running in and getting up and
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] and he had a crowbar and that [sniff] well I never did anything all I did was stop in me van
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] I hadn't to put me head out, I hadn't to be seen and just er
[John:] Oh that's sad isn't it? Er I'd want to be seen if it were only back of, back of
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] Anyway when we left he says here er... fiver, got a tenner between us [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] [LAUGHTER] That's very nice that's very good [LAUGHTER]
[John:] Jealousy, jealousy, see what money does don't ya?
[Joan:] Oh
[Ken:] Oh you're going then
[Joan:] Well you see going back in them days a fiver and a tenner were a very nice
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] wasn't it?
[Ken:] Yeah, yeah
[Joan:] It was that [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] and er, I remember working on Clapham station as a junior there was a plane crashed up on or whatever you call it, right up above Clapham station, there's a light on top, miles from anywhere
[John:] That's worth going to see an'all
[Ken:] aye, so I... I were at er I went up, I wasn't and er we got to a car jack that was going over to somewhere where this flame would be you know and a bloke, a policeman's coming back, where you going Ken? I said I'm gonna have a look at this plane crash he says, you needn't bother yourself he says this is about most there is and he so I went back and a bit later the phone went, er the Bill from the publisher he was, but he also did a bit for one of er diaries or summat like that
[Joan:] I know
[Ken:] you see, can you give me any information? So I told him all I found out like, when he came down a few days later he gave me two fifty, er two pound ten as it was then you know [LAUGHTER] I was amazed at
[Joan:] Yes
[Ken:] all I thought like I was passing a bit of gossip, but he paid me for it he said any time you see anything or hear anything that's of value at all, come and tell us and we'll pay you every time
[John:] That's very good int it?
[Ken:] Mm, mm
[Joan:] What's that the Dalesman?
[Ken:] Well he was Dalesman editor, but
[Joan:] Dalesman editor, mm
[Ken:] it wasn't for the Dalesman it was for er
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] some local paper or even, might of been Daily Express or summat like that you see
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] er they were agents for these papers for any news
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] Oh I knew Dalesman editor very well
[John:] Well strange enough we have a connection with the Dalesman editor
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] it's only a very tenure, but it is there... a neighbour of ours were very er keen on looking after animals, er stray animals and all like that Emma, Emma, well she was also a poet, er
[Joan:] She'd write poems
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] however, however, however you judge these things are entirely up to those who are right and those who are receiving them, but I thought she was very good, she wrote some poems about us really
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] er just after the course, which described, described
[Joan:] It was all described in she'd go to these
[John:] Mm
[Joan:] affairs and stand up and recite them
[John:] Oh yeah
[Ken:] Yeah yeah
[Joan:] She was so good
[John:] Well she used to write she used to send these to the erm Dalesman man, that's right the Dalesman, yeah that's right
[Joan:] Yeah mm editor Dalesman...
[John:] That's right and she'll, and er, and he what, he didn't er, he didn't take to her I don't think
[Joan:] Well it, I think he kept some, but in, he didn't, she didn't get paid a certain price
[John:] No you, you she wasn't
[Joan:] No, there was some funny business about it she wasn't very cheap
[John:] Well can I say Yes
[speaker007:] So I would just say you would like to know the opening times please
[John:] Cos I remember once when they asked me at work to deliver the annual speech you know... the man that asked me he says er, you know, they've gone round everybody else and nobody else would do it and would I do it, and I said good lord, that were my first reaction, and I realized like all the company secretaries lo lord, so I did very well there
[speaker007:] [LAUGHTER]
[John:] didn't I? I got the right [LAUGHTER]
[speaker007:] No I would just ask, say, you know, just say you want to make enquiries, cos they're going to be open on the second of April
[John:] Yeah
[speaker007:] and if, you could say that you've got last year's opening times...
[John:] Er as long as the weather's decent really, I know we're only gonna go for three days so
[speaker007:] Where going to stay?
[John:] Well at Alberston
[speaker007:] At Alberston
[John:] it's not very far away and then we're gonna go from there to er... there are one or two other places around worth looking at
[speaker007:] Yeah
[John:] erm... so we'll see how it goes, anyway thank you very
[speaker007:] You're welcome
[John:] thank you very much for your information
[speaker007:] You're welcome
[John:] and I'll mention your name to him, when I have a word with him
[speaker007:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] I'd better be moving
[John:] Yeah, well fair enough Ken
[Ken:] gonna do wonders this morning I ain't done nothing
[Joan:] No well I didn't do anything yesterday
[John:] No, good, no, no change me mind about them them togs and whatnot
[Ken:] Aye
[John:] it were Joan really that put me right there it were thirteen as opposed to fifteen
[Joan:] Yeah cos they don't go any higher
[John:] Yeah, cos Freda said Freda decided er
[Joan:] they don't go any higher I
[John:] No
[Joan:] don't think
[John:] she can't, she didn't see a fifteen
[Joan:] No, they not go any higher John
[Ken:] No she got a thirteen anyway
[Joan:] but that four, that four point five we had was plenty warm
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] enough
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] It's not feather
[Ken:] Well Freda reckons this, that feather of ours is beginning to stick together and they're not, well I suppose pillows are
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] are like that, but pillows have your head sweating on 'em at times aren't we?
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] Erm when it's hot, they do go a bit peculiar in pillows, they go stained don't they?
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] I don't think pillows keep you warm
[John:] Well I think you want to, with pillows you want to be changing them every now again don't you?
[Ken:] Oh yeah definitely aye they're
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] we... what we did once we, we got some more and changed it, it were a waste of time
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] cos it it were just as bad after
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] the feathers have a certain length of life and that's it, they've had it, and it isn't worth the mess anyway
[Joan:] There's a lot to that fibre isn't there now? This
[Ken:] You do get a lot of fibre now
[Joan:] yes, the, yeah well, well it's like a spongy now
[Ken:] Yeah yeah
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] We have two that belonged to me mother and they're very good
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] they don't lose their
[Ken:] No, no
[Joan:] bounce at all
[John:] Mind you, mind you, that, the, the, I think the, those that you're talking about Joan
[Joan:] The good ones the not, the cheap
[John:] they are firm
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] they are firm and I think that you have a feather one haven't you?
[Joan:] Well I always have a feather one and I, I have
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] two pillows and I'm not bothered about underneath
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] No
[Joan:] but I always like a feather for me head
[John:] Yeah I think feathers are more yielding aren't they?
[Ken:] Well I've er, I've er fibre I've a fibre underneath and a feather cos, when I had a fibre I don't know why, but me ears seemed to be deaf every morning
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] and they seemed bunged up you know
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] seemed er, as I've washed my head and it wasn't getting out with
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] I mean
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] on this anyway I, I finally, I didn't like it at all, but now I'd done, I have me feather back I'm alright... I was like deaf when I got up every morning.
[Joan:] We went er, since we've came here we went to stay with Edith when her husband died, we went to stay overnight
[John:] Oh blimey
[Joan:] oh, and they'd been married, what she's ten years older than you had been married
[John:] Yeah, yeah
[Joan:] nearly fifty years hadn't they?
[John:] Yeah would of been yeah
[Joan:] and they'd the same bed that [LAUGHTER] that they'd got married in
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] They, they were probably given to them secondhand an'all
[Joan:] Look I'm not joking it, it was the same mattress and it was a flock mattress one of them
[Ken:] Oh [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] you used to ba you used to check it and go like that [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] Check it [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] move it over
[Ken:] get off [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] and the pillows were flock as well
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] and, and she's ever so nice is Edith, but I mean
[John:] Oh wonderful
[Joan:] they're not short of money either
[John:] No
[Joan:] it's just their way, it's a way I mean
[Ken:] mMm, mm
[Joan:] everybody has different ways don't they?
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] Very kind, very clean
[Joan:] And she's asked us to go and stay and I said to John I Wouldn't stay in that bed again
[Ken:] Well you you get
[Joan:] cos you get
[Ken:] up and ya ooh
[Joan:] ooh but your head still on the pillows, I'm not too bad on the, on the mattress, but I must have something
[Ken:] Yeah yeah
[Joan:] soft underneath, might it John terrible
[John:] Terrible is you, you just can't, you can't describe to people
[Joan:] No you can't
[John:] No, no
[Joan:] unless you, you know
[John:] Mind you we slept
[Ken:] Mother-in-law was
[John:] we, we had the night
[Joan:] I was shattered weren't we, but we
[Ken:] mother-in-law always had them flat beds you know and
[Joan:] Yeah it's
[Ken:] you're alright like, you could make yourself a nest in 'em and you was
[Joan:] [LAUGHTER] Yes I know []
[Ken:] you're like a bloody mole
[John:] Aha and that's a good description is that
[Joan:] [LAUGHTER] But when you made 'em, you, like kneading bed didn't ya?
[Ken:] Oh aye, yeah, you used to shake it up and then bash it about and, er
[Joan:] And we once went to Scotland, then breakfast in it, when Pauline was with us didn't, weren't it John?
[John:] Aye
[Joan:] All them years since, and she was a widow and, and she was er ever so nice, lovely home and clean, but the bed was, it, it wasn't just flock it were part Taylor
[John:] Was it her that baked for us as well?
[Ken:] Aye
[John:] Did she bake for us
[Joan:] well she were nice, well they were all nice at that time
[John:] Aye they were
[Joan:] weren't, when you went bed and breakfast in
[John:] Yeah
[Joan:] they took ya in, into their home and, and they made you feel like part of the family
[Ken:] That's right, yeah
[Joan:] they...
[John:] Wed Wednesday morning Joan now so, this is me er... I've only two days really to get some more recordings...
[Joan:] That's right, yes, mm
[John:] I shall, I'm gonna take that letter on and come back here, just out to post
[Joan:] Okay
[John:] Are you going down now?
[Joan:] Yes, well I'll have to, I'll have to just get me boots on
[John:] Yeah, okay, well I'll wait and I'll go, well I'll post it in the centre... I mean originally where we came from you know they er, the snows and er and the cold weather we were eleven hundred feet above sea level
[speaker008:] Where was that at?
[John:] We were at Queensbury... it's
[speaker008:] We
[John:] it's near, near Halifax anyway in Yorkshire
[speaker008:] Oh it's at Queensbury I didn't know
[John:] on the Pennines
[speaker008:] On the Pennines it would be I know
[John:] You're not from this area though are ya?
[speaker008:] No Cumberland
[John:] Ah
[speaker008:] Cumbria
[John:] Oh
[speaker008:] I've, I've er
[speaker006:] Morning
[John:] Morning
[speaker008:] Morning, it would be, be cold up there
[John:] Well we, as I say we were eleven hundred feet above sea level and er and we were, really moved here because er I could not stand the er, the bad weather
[speaker008:] No
[John:] er, I mean, I worked near er the factory where I worked was near
[speaker008:] Aye
[John:] to where we live so it was convenient to stay there
[speaker008:] That's right
[John:] while I were working
[speaker008:] Yes
[John:] and I said as soon as we got the opportunity of moving away we would do, and we searched all over the erm, when it come to, went into Lincolnshire, went into Wales
[speaker008:] Aye
[John:] we went up to Yo er Bridlington and all like that and then we
[speaker008:] yYes and here
[John:] finally plumped on this really
[speaker008:] Yeah and yet you're never cos you've a good house as well
[John:] Aye it is a good one, yeah, it's very similar as I was telling my friend the other day to what we had before
[speaker008:] Yes
[John:] er the house itself is better
[speaker008:] Yes
[John:] it's just the surround, although we have more surround, well no not more surround here, but it's a different layout
[speaker008:] Yeah
[John:] as other surround, as other house was better cos we had lawns all the way round you see
[speaker008:] Oh I see
[John:] but it was still a semi like this
[speaker008:] That's right
[John:] Mm
[speaker008:] Yes it's er
[John:] we were lucky to get this because chap er wanted to get out into a house really and he had one offer er from down south and they'd put in and looked and they er... and they sort of bo hadn't followed it up, so
[speaker008:] No... well houses today they are stuck like
[John:] They are aren't they?
[speaker008:] Aye
[John:] Oh I think anybody that's wanting to sell to move is, is in trouble really
[speaker008:] Aye, oh they are like
[John:] Yeah
[speaker008:] to buy a
[Ken:] Not too bad...
[John:] Have you had
[Joan:] Done your shopping?
[John:] trouble with your car? Have you had a painted wing?
[Ken:] Er it's the undercoat
[John:] Ah
[Ken:] erm, he's seeing to a bit of rust for me
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] so, that's the undercoat, but God knows when it'll get erm sprayed properly cos you've got to have some decent weather
[John:] Who will look, who will yeah, who have done that for ya?
[Ken:] Oh Martin
[John:] Martin is, ah
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] It's not an easy job that you know
[Ken:] No, no, he's very good with cars though
[John:] no
[Ken:] he knows, well he knows
[John:] no
[Ken:] a few bits you know
[John:] I know that whenever I've tried to put paint on any cars that we've ever had, it's never looked right has it?
[Joan:] No no
[Ken:] No
[John:] And it's a professional job
[Joan:] you need to know what you're doing don't ya?
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] professional's job
[Ken:] Well he, he borrows like, well he's gonna borrow like a compressor off this
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] other guy, you know, he does it in garages, he's done it quite a few times before on cars he's had himself, so
[John:] Oh it's a technique, a relation of ours used to be a car sprayer
[Joan:] You did Pauline's once didn't you?
[John:] I did
[Joan:] When she were at home
[John:] and it was perfect weren't it I do for her
[Joan:] It was, beautiful
[John:] and then we had an accident with our car door, who we took it up to erm, up to Carnthruft there and they did it for us and it, it, it's just disappeared as a hole innit?
[Joan:] Oh yeah
[John:] Or the dent
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] it's, it's worth, they're worth doing when, when you get any damage
[Joan:] Well if you don't cover rust
[John:] or rust
[Joan:] up it gets worse and worse yeah
[Ken:] That's it yeah, make sure they're quite all free from rust
[Joan:] And yours yours is out in all weathers isn't it?
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] So you
[Ken:] he's got a few bits, there's still another few bits to be done you know but it just looks such a mess
[Joan:] Do you need the light on? Do you need the light on?
[Ken:] Yeah I think you will just pop it on then... just looks such a mess when you're going round a bit like that but I'm afraid
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] it'll have to do
[John:] Oh they're nice looking cars them aren't they?
[Ken:] They're okay, I think they're a bonny little car
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] you know as far as little cars go, yeah
[John:] Mind you I'm all in favour of small cars... aren't we Joan? We like small ones rather than
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] rather than big ones
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] they're better for parking aren't they small ones?
[Ken:] Oh yeah, yeah
[John:] You can't park, a big car's an advantage if you're going a long way
[Ken:] Yeah, yeah definitely
[John:] but small cars are marvellous in Lancaster and
[Joan:] We would have er, a smaller than one we have wouldn't we?
[John:] Oh we would
[Joan:] The caravan not as
[John:] yeah we would
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] not as powerful anyway
[Ken:] How
[John:] Well
[Ken:] much d'ya want?
[Joan:] Erm, quite a lot off the top you know so that I can just brush it up
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] and er, not, I don't want the back of me ears showing there
[Ken:] Right, you don't
[Joan:] er, and if you, not quite as short as you did last time, you see when you combed it up last time it was right up to the top just a little bit
[Ken:] You want it to cover
[Joan:] Yeah I don't mind
[Ken:] cover it up
[Joan:] a little bit, but really it was, you know, you know how it does it, it springs up doesn't it?
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] Er... and er, and coming over different like you've done, like you know it's round
[Ken:] Right...
[John:] Yeah that looks super
[Ken:] What's that then?
[John:] that painting
[Ken:] Oh...
[John:] It's as flat as any, any, you know there's no, no irregularities in it at all
[Joan:] Are you going to get the same colour as your car then?
[Ken:] Oh yeah you can, you can usually match it up, yeah
[Joan:] You've gotta be careful
[John:] Ah cor that's an expert job is that
[Ken:] Oh I'll tell him that [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] Oh well he
[John:] yeah it is
[Joan:] will be pleased to know [LAUGHTER] if you tell him that []
[John:] Well I've, the number of times I've tried to paint it, paint it, it just doesn't work, I've even had those small cans you know
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] you know, but, you, not only have you got to get the right colour and everything, you've got to hold it the correct distance away from the metal
[Ken:] That's right, yeah
[John:] you've got to keep your hand moving... er... but there's a temptation to try to er put more on so that it is thicker you know, but it doesn't work that way you know
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] it's, it's fair do all together... anyway I can't see me ever painting a car again
[Ken:] Hmm
[Joan:] no, the mess get 'em done for ya, you used to do a lot didn't you er car maintaining you used to do it all
[John:] Yeah I took a course on car maintenance
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] Very handy as well, that's a good idea
[Joan:] It came in very handy for you
[John:] Well it did because once you know we went over the moors
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] and we parked up er the top side of Malham and the car wouldn't start
[Ken:] Oh hell
[John:] so, you know, I looked under the bonnet, I couldn't understand it at all tt, er, so I eventually got a lift and got a ride down into Malham and er, went in the telephone box there
[Ken:] Mm
[John:] and rung the A A, so as I got through to the A A man I says erm, you know, I says I, where I was parked and all like that and where I was stood and the chap says oh I'll get a, a van up to ya as soon as I can, but I says wait a minute, I says my car's just arrived... and Joan was the mechanic, he lifted bonnet up and touched something [LAUGHTER] and you [] brought it down didn't you?
[Ken:] Oh did you?
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] Yeah
[Joan:] I don't know how I'd dared drive down them narrow roads
[John:] No
[Joan:] Yes I did, it started going, I don't know what I did but it started going it started
[John:] Well when we got it home I realized it was the battery lead that was just a little bit of lead
[Ken:] Oh that's all it can be
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] something silly like
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] in fact I'd say eight times out of time that's all it ever is
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] something silly you know
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] like your, your plug leads are, just one's popped off or something or it's gotta bit loose something like that
[John:] The A A man did laugh didn't he? Oh you wouldn't hear him cos I had the phone
[Joan:] No, no well
[John:] oh he did laugh, he said you'll never live that down
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] [LAUGHTER]
[John:] Anyway so we went
[Ken:] You both wandering
[Joan:] You want a start
[Ken:] down in the car
[Joan:] [LAUGHTER]
[John:] Ah, so we rode home and that was it delighted
[Ken:] I bet you felt a right mechanic then didn't you?
[Joan:] Yeah [LAUGHTER]
[John:] It's magic touch you've got to have with cars
[Ken:] Mm
[Joan:] Mm...
[Ken:] I know a lot more about cars than I have, I, I never used to know nothing about cars but
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] just watching Martin and seeing what you're doing and
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] you know, if the worse comes,tr putting your jump leads on and things like that
[John:] Mm
[Ken:] I mean I didn't even know how to do anything like that really
[John:] No
[Ken:] but it's all very, very handy to know
[Joan:] Well it pays you to know
[Ken:] Oh it does
[Joan:] because you're out in it aren't you all day?
[Ken:] Yeah
[John:] Well that course I went on you know, there was er, there were, there were, there'd be about twelve in the class and there were two young women in the class
[Ken:] Yeah...
[John:] er
[Joan:] Cos I think there's more women drive now than ever they used to
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] Oh yeah... and of course you've got to be a bit careful as well when you hear all these things on the motorway
[Joan:] Oh
[Ken:] and whatnot, haven't you?
[John:] I say...
[Ken:] So that's probably why they go in for more of these courses things...
[John:] But you can get very dirty messing about with cars
[Ken:] Oh yeah, I know he gets black I'm sure
[Joan:] Could you could you change a tyre Louise?
[Ken:] Could I change a tyre?
[Joan:] Mm
[Ken:] No, no
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] [LAUGHTER] You'd just have to look
[Ken:] Well I'm saying no, but I've er
[Joan:] stand at side of car and look sad and pitiful [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] and somebody might stop then...
[Ken:] Well actually I'd, I would know how to do it, but whether I'd have the tools on me or not, just jack it up on one of them thingies
[John:] Yeah
[Ken:] and then erm
[Joan:] [LAUGHTER] One of them thingies []
[Ken:] one of them thingies, one of them jacks, and then... you've got one of them, I don't even, I don't know what they're called but I've seen it before
[John:] Well er thingies and articles and whatnots they're all
[Ken:] [LAUGHTER]
[John:] they're all valuable tools them
[Joan:] As long as you know what the whatnots is
[Ken:] Yeah as long as you know what they're used for
[Joan:] Yeah
[Ken:] then
[John:] That there and, you know
[Ken:] Well yeah I suppose really I would be able to
[Joan:] Thingy
[Ken:] if, if I was really stuck and I had the, the tools, which, I wouldn't have you see, but if I did have the tools there, then yeah I would be able to do it... cos I've seen Martin doing it quite a few times, so
[John:] Mm
[Joan:] Oh
[Ken:] Yeah jack it up take the, the bolts off, pull it off, put it back on again and screw it up.
[John:] Russell's wife across here does it, don't she Joan?
[Joan:] Oh yes she seems very good she's very efficient isn't she?
[John:] She gets her head in the bonnet and
[Joan:] Yeah
[John:] fiddles about with it
[Joan:] Yeah, she does... very efficient
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Ken:] Still I can look efficient underneath that bonnet, but whether I am or not [LAUGHTER] anybody can, anybody can []
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[Joan:] Anybody can
[Ken:] I know
[Joan:] I mean even me I could if I lifted it up
[John:] Oh style is half the job int it really?
[Ken:] Oh yeah, looking as if you know [LAUGHTER] the business []
[John:] [LAUGHTER]... Right I'll leave you to it
[Joan:] Yes okay, right, a bit better when you see me
[John:] No deliveries yet then for
[Sid:] No it's er it came today and it had its balance on its ticket and I've rung them up and er
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] it's due in the middle of next week
[John:] Oh good
[Sid:] Yeah
[John:] I, er, I think when we get it as well I'll ask Steven to come and put it on because it's er
[Sid:] Right
[John:] it needs drilling doesn't it? It'd probably need drilling
[Sid:] Yeah through the tiles that's right surface mounted
[John:] Aye that's right, cos I'm not, I haven't got the equipment really to
[Sid:] No it it is a bit of a job
[John:] Yeah
[Sid:] just in case you crack a tile
[John:] And if you crack a tile
[Sid:] That's right
[John:] you're worse off still aren't ya?
[Sid:] That's right absolutely
[John:] That's right, yeah, it's a great attraction
[speaker009:] You can do as you please
[John:] Yeah, yeah
[speaker009:] do what you want if you wanna buy summat have it, don't feel
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] it pull a bloody big just let it give yours paper have a little bit of here and there you know
[John:] That's right yeah, aye if you go back into the system where they had at Blackpool where er Reginald Dixon used to play
[speaker009:] Mm
[John:] for where they are and people used to go and see it and go and enjoy them and if you want to erm, if you went into Wales and on that way there was, who was it, it's Albert you know
[speaker009:] Yeah, aye
[John:] yeah... you know you used to go in, no it's Scarborough
[speaker009:] well the, we used that bandstand there
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] it's in Park now in Manchester
[John:] What? What?
[speaker009:] bandstand
[John:] What's gonna happen to that now?
[speaker009:] Every Sunday pull it down, every Sunday bloody night and Saturday afternoon, bloody bandstand were going
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] good hour, let's all sit round listening to bloody band on a Sunday night... it's only to, Lancaster to go in bar for twenty five pound, there were five to
[John:] is that right?
[speaker009:] Aye, I'm going back a lot of years ago
[John:] I don't know
[speaker009:] I don't know
[John:] yeah [LAUGHTER]
[speaker009:] Aye, aye not
[John:] Anyway, we, our independent is jacked it in so somebody or other's gonna take it over, gonna try and get
[speaker009:] Aye
[John:] in now Conservative, so, but you see
[speaker009:] possibly
[John:] whatever you want, whatever you want to do, whatever you suggest to your councillor it never gets anywhere, it never gets anywhere
[speaker009:] Who'd be on the, who would be on the bloody council with any real bloody business initiative
[John:] Well I, I
[speaker009:] I mean when I was a boy young Willy Carton all the business men of the bloody town
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] you heard they'd get something for themselves but you heard they'd get the town something an'all
[John:] I agree with that I agree with that
[speaker009:] your public earning not a lot of bloody
[John:] I agree with that
[speaker009:] how can a man run a town when he got to go er, to work for a fucking boss
[John:] Aye, yeah
[speaker009:] seven days a bloody week, how can he?
[John:] He can't, he can't, yeah, no, no
[speaker009:] D'ya know what I mean? Where's his brains ah?... Eh?
[John:] Well there is definitely something wrong because, because a place like this
[speaker009:] Something wrong
[John:] should, should attract visitors and things should be going and I don't care how much
[speaker009:] You have, you have you have the bonny little bay in England
[John:] Exactly, well you
[speaker009:] I mean
[John:] you can come here and you can er you can travel up
[speaker009:] travel anywhere, anywhere, yeah
[John:] if wanted to go further south
[speaker009:] Exactly... I don't know what the job is
[John:] But it makes you wonder how it's all gonna finish up really whether there's gonna be a bust up or what or
[speaker009:] Well I shall tell ya
[John:] how they gonna, how are they gonna go on with this sale of land that the council have sold some land to the council and the police have been looking into it...
[speaker009:] Well I don't know what that is eh, just a bit of weird, weird job innit?
[John:] Aye it is [LAUGHTER]
[speaker009:] He said he won't tell will he what he's done
[John:] Oh well... you see he was doing he's been able to get round it really, it might well be above board, but the police have been looking into it
[speaker009:] Well I would think it wouldn't be half, but then I don't know owt about it so it's no good me saying, but... take, taking the type of the woman
[John:] I, I think
[speaker009:] I would think it would be above board
[John:] I, I, I think it, it, were short of some honest dealers now
[speaker009:] Oh definitely
[John:] I mean there's a lot of dishonest dealers, a lot of people
[speaker009:] Oh
[John:] in it for a, for a couple of years to get as much as they can and get a little shop here and they charge as much as you can and they get the grant to open the shop up and then they close it down a couple of months
[speaker009:] But look at where they
[John:] aye, that's right, yeah, yeah
[speaker009:] You think they'd have a or what? If I bought a thing I wouldn't want another man and, and, and look at responses
[John:] No, no no that's true
[speaker006:] Stop gabbing
[speaker009:] When I bought oh hiya
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker009:] alright? [LAUGHTER] When I, when I bought bloody you never to help me out did ya?
[John:] No, no
[speaker009:] You bought it and bought it, that's it, not same as they do with yeah... with them looking for bloody sponsors unheard and them looking for bloody sponsors... eh?
[John:] Aye that's right I mean you want
[speaker009:] bubble, there's only one thing wrong with it, I said to my lad many a time... I said the trouble is with the world today everybody wants too much money for doing what they have to do, that's why things are dear
[John:] Er, I agree with ya, I agree with ya
[speaker009:] that's what it is
[John:] Yeah they do that
[speaker009:] There's only one lot of bloody people ever started this and that's the bloody union
[John:] I agree again I totally agree with ya
[speaker009:] that's what has started it
[John:] it's a bit double sided really I mean some of the
[speaker009:] How are ya?
[speaker006:] Oh not so bad
[speaker009:] You're looking well [LAUGHTER]
[John:] [LAUGHTER] No wonder the women get tired having to crouch them up and down like that
[speaker009:] She didn't know me, I know her well
[John:] Ah
[speaker009:] she just lost her husband and that was why I never said
[John:] Oh dear, it's bad luck that int it? Yeah, it happens to everybody you know
[speaker009:] Aye it does
[John:] the other way round an all some times
[speaker009:] but that's what's the, that's the trouble I think with the council today. I mean the council in our house today, the council and he's told the other council, one isn't working, well he's on a good job somewhere, he said well what's one hundred and twenty pound a week?
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] One time
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] so the other guy said ooh er, ooh er, he can't
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[speaker009:] He said I wish I had a hundred and twenty pound a week
[John:] Right
[speaker009:] I said that's done with you a bloody lot I said, a hundred and twenty pound a week that should be able to make do with a hundred and twenty pound a week easily
[John:] Easily
[speaker009:] Eh? Eh?
[John:] easily, easily, easily easily
[speaker009:] But then again you see they go out they think nothing of spending forty quid up there at the place on Friday night, Saturday night
[John:] Well they're talking about talking about children getting five pound a week spending money
[speaker009:] Oh [LAUGHTER] Saturday penny, Saturday ha'penny
[John:] We used to come here
[speaker009:] Oh yes
[John:] on that bottom end down by the back there, we used to have a full weekend, me and wife and youngster for a fiver
[speaker009:] Nine of 'em
[John:] [LAUGHTER] Yes and you [] used to give us a lovely meal every night
[speaker009:] Aye
[John:] an'all, five pound
[speaker009:] Aye lovely
[John:] People can't understand that can they?
[speaker009:] Bed and breakfast half a crown
[John:] Oh well there you are you see
[speaker009:] bed and breakfast half a crown, aye
[John:] we stay, when we we're in Yorkshire all
[speaker009:] Oh
[John:] the apprentices in, in mill where we were, we were all bound together
[speaker009:] Aye
[John:] we'd go down the station, went pub, there's er, I think were two and seven pence I'm not right sure, but that is worth by the prize money down, and there were a trip planned, you'd to go from Queensbury and you used to go through to Blackpool
[speaker009:] Ah
[John:] and then it used to turn back half past four in morning
[speaker009:] Well it would do
[John:] train, train never went back it always went so far and stop
[speaker009:] Yeah
[John:] then it went a bit further and stop, and then we used to be walking up the, but that were it, half a crown
[speaker009:] You could go to Bradford from here
[John:] That's it
[speaker009:] stop at every station couldn't we?
[John:] Aye that's, right, that's it, that were us [LAUGHTER]
[speaker009:] Half a crown and met and sixpence to get in and half a crown to, to winter gardens
[John:] How do ya qualify if you see people er at
[speaker009:] Yeah
[John:] our age who's saved up, er how d'ya qualify that price with today's prices, cos every pound you save then, is er, is worth nowt today is it? That's
[speaker009:] When I was on the this morning, I went across there and I got ice cream
[John:] that's right, yeah
[speaker009:] When I was a lad I could have seventy for them, I sat on there and I licked it up, er, a good afternoon, I was just having a break by sands, I said when I was a lad I could have seventy ice creams
[John:] That's right yeah
[speaker009:] right
[John:] Yeah, it is the price of one it's unbelievable it is unbelievable, yeah
[speaker009:] It is innit?
[John:] it's all because of this change of money you see and then when we get on to the new you'll, it'll go wrong again
[speaker009:] Mm
[John:] it'll go wrong again... no, you know you won't
[speaker009:] No
[John:] Well aye, we just carry on, we just enjoy what we, what we want to do and er, we don't bother I mean, me and wife walk up and down here
[speaker009:] Oh
[John:] and Joan says well I'm not bothered about pier, I'm not bothered, we like this bay and we can do what we like
[speaker009:] That's it, yeah
[John:] and that's all there is to it, but you can work yourself if you want to
[speaker009:] Oh you could, yeah
[John:] but it just means having trouble with er windows, er smoking house you know
[speaker009:] Do what?
[John:] The, the windows, smoking house
[speaker009:] Oh have ya? What's up with ya?
[John:] Well [LAUGHTER] they might be a friendly, oh I don't really know but er... he's so busy you see and he's busy all kinds of day and night, now then, we asked him a while ago to be more careful when he was switching on the freezer units at night because they were waking people up, we asked him er a while ago if he'd be more careful learning up at six o'clock in the morning because the chain and that we couldn't sleep in the morning like, and all disturbing us all like that
[speaker009:] Aye, aye
[John:] anyway we, we had a petition that when it came up that er, that the new E E C rules were coming in that they would, they'd going to have to have a clean way if you are you are and a dirty way out you know
[speaker009:] Oh yeah
[John:] er other way round and you with a psychopath
[speaker009:] Aye
[John:] now then the E E C said this should of happened so we, we got a petition up and I thought, we got, well I didn't but the lads got over two hundred signatures and they must of been er two letters went to the Corporation... and everyone was talking er critical
[speaker009:] Aye
[John:] and all was accurately, now if it was done really with the hope that the council and winder would get together and come to some decent arrangement and at the other side of er Lancaster er down by the down there
[speaker009:] Right
[John:] behind the behind the hillside well that was for sale, that part it belongs to the council
[speaker009:] Aye
[John:] Now then, if the council could, could've come to some agreement and put in there, it would of made it right for us, now, you see we've done so before, this is what I don't like about... he, he applies for planning permission does er the notice was no bigger than six inches long and four
[speaker009:] No
[John:] inches high and it were
[speaker009:] That's Mike bouncer
[John:] Oh is it [LAUGHTER] oh I didn't know about that [] we should of taken it up then shouldn't we?
[speaker009:] Anyway
[John:] I'd of kept him in a bit longer
[speaker009:] what they're talking about is going to Blackpool aren't they?
[John:] Well no, now you see, now is, what's happened is this... tt we argued er the case after we saw the notice, but we only saw the notice about a week before it went into com into committee, so we'd only a very short time to get everything organized, well we got letters and this petition, we sent it in to the council, Stanley came round and talked to one of the young men round our place, not like that, but he was saying oh we'll do this, that and the other, but when he came round and now we know they'd lobbied all the committee that were good and they knew it was gonna be passed, they knew before they went in it was gonna be passed
[speaker009:] Yes
[John:] it was done in a very un-run way, because the notice, the notice... was, was er it'd be up about a couple of days and then it'd come down, you see, so it didn't give anybody a lot of chance, but anyway now it's been passed you see it goes ahead and that's all there is to it, he, he hasn't start doing it yet but
[speaker009:] No
[John:] it'll never be moved from there, but what an opportunity they had, they could of, they could
[speaker009:] Aye, yeah
[John:] said well if the E E C say it has to be done why don't
[speaker009:] You'll never move it now then
[John:] What, no I don't think so, the E E C should of be, should of said well if it has to be moved if it's
[speaker009:] Oh yeah
[John:] environmental an'all and the council say it's environmental you're likely
[speaker009:] Well I've a
[John:] to give it a bit of something to help us to move it
[speaker009:] well I haven't always
[John:] but it's a mystery
[speaker009:] well I haven't always worked here
[John:] what the, what you the flu?
[speaker009:] eh?
[John:] Has it been cold or?
[speaker009:] Oh aye cold and, ooh round here
[John:] Oh
[speaker009:] and me stomach and me chest
[John:] Oh
[speaker009:] I've been badly, I have, I've had for three times
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] wife's had, wife's even poorer, I've been er, I've just finished them antibiotics on er... yesterday morning
[John:] Aye
[speaker009:] I had eight, eight a day, four of a morning and two other
[John:] That's a meal innit? Eight a day
[speaker009:] four, aye, I had two of a morning and I had eight a day I had
[John:] And no missing
[speaker009:] Well I wanted to get
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[speaker009:] it ain't up to European standard isn't that
[John:] no, no, but, no, no oh no it isn't, no
[speaker009:] No
[John:] but there wasn't said at the council, they said that they realize that what there has to be done can't be done so, so quickly, you see the past in what er back end of October
[speaker009:] It's always been a slaughterhouse all my life that, all, all my life there's been one, young girls use them, use some of them food shops round here
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] all my life there's been a slaughterhouse
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] all my life that
[John:] The whole council agreed it should be moved
[speaker009:] Eh?
[John:] The whole council agreed it should be moved they all agreed with it... er Eleanor said it should be moved
[speaker009:] But I think it it is
[John:] Not to be
[speaker009:] if, if, if they go into the Common Market rate, EE standard or summat it's bloody new job we'd have to be, gotta go to Blackpool this year
[John:] Well it's engineer that has the, has it all run now
[speaker009:] Aye
[John:] it's up to him whether it's, whether they say it's right or wrong... I think, I think what the council said is if they, if they want it, the thing shifting, they are strong enough to get it shifted... if they, if they, if they really feel that the things rot, you see up in the Dales they, one chap built a house and er, and they said they had to pull it down because it wouldn't fit in with, of
[speaker009:] No
[John:] but they, but they told him he'd have to pull it down, so
[speaker009:] Yeah, but this job's just a bit different innit?
[John:] I think, I think
[speaker009:] Just a little bit different
[John:] Aye...
[speaker009:] Wind is in such a big way... and if he goes to the planning appeal and one thing or something, it'll skin this bloody, it'll, it'll skin this bloody town of course it will, we've planned enough, oh yes, certainly, what they doing with, what, what they do with them, them, making them camps and gypsy camps
[John:] Yeah, yeah
[speaker009:] what they doing down there? how much it's gonna cost us for an appeal
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] an appeal goes into a hundred thousand pounds you know
[John:] Yeah, yeah
[speaker009:] you know that?
[John:] Yeah, yeah
[speaker009:] Oh bloody does that
[John:] and that's that's not on is it really?
[speaker009:] Eh?
[John:] That's not on that really... where where do all that money go for the fee? Solicitors and
[speaker009:] I, I don't know who the hell gets it
[John:] [LAUGHTER]...
[speaker009:] land up, up there, it took, it took... put the bill in, it's next, it's next, we need this next two or three bloody month and I was on about this and I was on about that ev it's possible this is what a lot of them going and getting, you don't want it Habitats, there's enough bloody habitats up and down... flowers growing out, I said well I said what's to stop me from taking a bloody plough and ploughing all the bloody flowers up
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] I said it's my bloody land that it don't matter what I do
[John:] That's right, yeah oh yeah, yeah, yeah
[speaker009:] you know but er, there are... you get the money and pay for 'em that'll be all the....
[John:] I thought you know, I did think when they were talking, when the council they were talking about spending a lot of money behind the station
[speaker009:] Eh?
[John:] er, thinking of spending a lot of money behind the station and building the supermarket and ploughing it all up, that car park, and then putting the information centre in the old, old I did think you know when I, when we go around and we look at some of these houses like Barratt houses and all like that, I thought that area would of been better off knocking into houses and then you see they would be able to get the community charge of the houses, but as it's gonna happen now... the council's gonna have a lot of responsibility one way and another with er
[speaker009:] they gonna have to they gonna have to pass a lot of land to build houses on to get the bloody rev revenue back in the town
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] d'ya know that? They are that... they are that, because I tell you what it is, I don't know
[John:] They don't seem to be interested in making money, they seem to be interested in spending it to my mind... I could be wrong you know...
[speaker009:] Well it's a weird bloody job this
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] a weird job altogether
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker009:] a weird job
[John:] Medieval for your holidays then living in a place like this
[speaker009:] Eh?
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] Oh Spain
[John:] Do ya [LAUGHTER] go there []?
[speaker009:] Aye, aye me lad has a place at Spain
[John:] Has he? Oh that's good
[speaker009:] Aye, aye that's what they've got aye. I like, I like to go down to in Kent
[John:] Aye well, well we are er, we are, we like this country and
[speaker009:] Aye
[John:] we've been to France and we've been to, we've been to er... er
[speaker009:] We might go to France in another four er... about... I would say spring time
[John:] Yeah yeah that's right
[speaker009:] you know I like France do you?
[John:] Well, we did very much so, we went, actually go, went and stayed with erm, with er a chap that we knew really
[speaker009:] Aye
[John:] which made it er very reasonable, very cheap really, we took us car there and that, but he's coming back is this chap now
[speaker009:] Aye
[John:] we had bother we've, I, I had a car tyre burst, I had a heck of a job getting one
[speaker009:] Alright, how's mother-in-law right?
[speaker006:] The same
[speaker009:] [LAUGHTER] That's a councillor
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] Matt
[John:] Oh look there
[speaker009:] See him now
[John:] oh [LAUGHTER] he looks young, I don't know, I went in doctors, I went in doctors this morning for a prescription
[speaker009:] Did ya?
[John:] and er... the second door on, you, it opened and the doctor came out and called for the next person to come in, she didn't look to be above forty year old [LAUGHTER]
[speaker009:] Nay
[John:] by gawld she did look young
[speaker009:] Ah, er
[John:] I said to Joan I said well when we came here five years ago, I'm glad we didn't get her, by gawld she did look young
[speaker009:] Oh I, I, I, I'd one you know, oh I'd one up, oh I'm going back a few years now... I had a hiatus hernia and
[John:] that sounds nasty
[speaker009:] Eh?
[John:] That sounds nasty
[speaker009:] Oh... they won't, they won't do it unless go in hospital, you get cut from there
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] to there... hiatus, hiatus hernia, ooh terrible you're stitched all inside... ooh it's like... you could sit down to a beautiful tea tonight... and enjoy it... and then you could sit down to your breakfast in morning, one bite and that was you finished
[John:] Yeah, sick
[speaker009:] it was your puddings
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] your gullet were ripped
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] and your puddings, say that's your gullet, that like that, where your hiatus hernia is where you ripped your stomach and your stomach goes in like that and it stops it going down
[John:] Oh
[speaker009:] aye you wonder what it
[John:] like a bit of a flu er?
[speaker009:] Eh?
[John:] Like a bit of a flu?
[speaker009:] Aye, ooh but I'll tell what it was bloody awful, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have another, mind I was only about forty, forty seven, forty five since when he had that
[John:] Mm
[speaker009:] in Blackpool, in Blackpool three weeks
[John:] You're a bit stronger to
[speaker009:] Eh?
[John:] counteract it then wouldn't ya? When you're younger you're
[speaker009:] Oh aye
[John:] a bit stronger...
[speaker009:] Ooh but you couldn't stay, I was like this for twelve month look
[John:] Aye
[speaker009:] pull all your ribs out like that with your cage
[John:] Yeah
[speaker009:] oh
[John:] [LAUGHTER]
[speaker009:] bloody awful, bloody awful, but, well I should go now
[John:] Yeah I'm gonna go through Arndale and back home now I've...
[speaker009:] Just been to a friend's house and he's given me a nice cup of tea and a little drop of brandy and that I did enjoy it
[John:] Oh by Jove, that's
[speaker009:] [LAUGHTER] I'd enjoyed it
[John:] nowt, nowt to beat then is there?
[speaker009:] Tarrah now
[John:] I'm going
[speaker009:] Are you going this way?
[John:] I'm going through Arndale
[speaker009:] Oh aye,... ah