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-hs bartender aboutlt. here the "ltHes> - '9f
osd by the Judge, as ne was about relating hiS con
gersa;ion with the bartender. II was iou' o' N''
rods from Smith, to Daviss


When Mcleod 80, out of the boat re had
bel, around hu. and 4 sword cRtass hanging
by his side.


Cross-sramiaef 5y .Nr Spencer.


Am F1rtv.seyen yca-s old wen, from Csaand'i-
-,. 20 Canada. went eight years ago Il; SePterr-
b,r; went there TO maze money; 10 other reaso-
-s,,,-,s3 in April. 1893 have been farming N Ca
-,,3,;efi, ever since; know MessrS David and
p,;-eas Bates: went 20 Canada with Nir. Bacon
i,.,i .e,r IN s. Catherine 5. tAen went - chlp-
rsy,. lived bv luys5ering aud carving passengers
- ,be Fails. was with Mr. Smith a bartender siN
,,sL.. ,,-,n,er.ei about the ssUe time With tie
,.,,,oa,jon of Navy Island Capt. Miller, i.a'i
Sr,;-b and ;brse sailors returned from DAVIS to
smith. win me: the sailors were OF 'he party
,far had been 10 Sch,osser never earned iheir
ro,,e.. had been there three days Col. C.sTN
.ya. responsible iot the. board and PAID Tor Il
,Asv .taii but a dav or - at;crward two naH o's-
,als and ,ltlas.e, saw them and hJm the ooat
they mad left the preceding evening about : cocA
took something u drink on going away took ihei'
pistols and cuilasses am pretty sure saw 'i'Tee
boat .-t;!l laaaed think this was near s o ciotN
Ind been sitting up tli then did not go to oea
;hat night s,ep, on the counter while 'ei'de"
At Smiths.


| went up,o the burning ra.' to see the Caroline
burn could nor re 50 we'll from Smith houses
and trees interyened did n know any who iaadcd
from the boats but Mcleod and the two sailors
+. was cloudy should think there was a moon 1t
was pretty darl, think could tell a man ten ioot
off: did n speak 70 any, even the sailors II was
aore O. nv business; IL was ten or fifteen rods up
To DAVIS: there was light IN The bar-room and
men passing in aud out; Mcleod stood near the
,toop perhaps 10 OF - feet from me heard ham
sneak he was asked how many were on board ct
the Caroline re- answered = good many ne
was asked II any Of tile a>sailantS got hurt he
answered that there was but one armed man on
soard her. the sentinel: coVldn Mt say that there
was or was not : light out doors then n; 1t was
quite light There "a light hung out there IN dnrN
night, may have seen II siN nights; Mcleod
stood between mr. snd TIE light IN the tavern Win-
dow do Mt know what made the light the SIDE
OF hi- face was toward me


DON'T know how the prosecution learned that |
I>new any thine about tbs, matter; was subpoena
el lq.t fall 70 Loc,port but did go; may have
told this story to David Bates; don't know what
he NAV have told of ,ljs matter To Mr. 7. T. bates,
- Mr.. Wheeler. or Nr Gtcealeaf; have becnasNed
about i- by good many have never before been
I'm Court about IT, Tho sailors had boarding pixies
AID cutasses which we're put IN the bar wnen
they returned from the Caroline; went away soon
after 20 -o on board a schooner; | nave not seen
them since.


Had never held ans conversation with Mcleod
before. neycc dit any business with hiy'' don
know that ever spoke 20 him more than 10 pass
the time of dav with him think have 50 mach
knew both his face and his voice that night the
former best Had not heard before that an expo
diton was going against the Caroline that evening
knew one was getting up; supposed 1t was to go
round Navy lsand few nights before they were
-oing round the Island, and sat up I'LL midnisht
to see them. The ooh | sat up from curiosity :
did not know what wus ahoat till the boats return
ed. when | saw the boar on hre went back up
the creek to the boats landing SEQ ii any were
in them who boarded in our house, SO as 10 let the
sailors in as they had asked ii they could get in
did not speak to them: might have stood three
minutes AZ Dayi,'s. before went home.


Isaac p Carson, sworn.) Resides at Niagara
Falls these three wears Is builder; lived at
Chippewa from 1888 to '38; was there when the
Caroline was destroyed; light, but ann aot
sure il was the Caroline was in the village he6ay
and evening previous had known Nici since
'33 or 4 saw him in ChiPPeNa TIE day and
evening Of the 29ln saw him a. blockln store
at o'clock in the back part; Capt Dre1 Mo
ser and Usaer were with him they were ttinh-
ing; stoppvd bat q moment, being asked by the
storcreuder 30 retire, as they lad 7r.- "usi-
ress [ saw Mcleod arsn about C'cocS IN the
the evening, IT Daviss tavern he came out OF the
door as ! went in did not notice that he was
armed one man went out behind him; l saw hlm
next about sunrise the next morning on the stocp
of Davs's hotel there was quite a crowd around
him he was telling OF his exploits the night pre-
yions on the Caroline he said they would not
want To see him over there again; he had killed
one id Yankee or Two or put them out OF the
way or something equivalent others were boast
ing TOO OF having been in the expedition with him
none of ;hem disputed Mcleod. | don't remem-
Der seeing him hm again tnat day; | saw him a
day. or two after, with Mr.. Fitzpatrick; Mcleod
had my glass in his hand looking over to
Scho.ser, where ihqre we're good many people
collected ne met several persons on Mr. Kirk
patrica's stoep; Mcleod SAID :. tie Yankees were
all a ser OF cheats, robbers and thieves; aud bs
zioald Ike to be on another expedition Ike Me
Caroline 10 cnt 0,H and blrH B4Baio.' do not
remember TO have hear! hiw speak Of th. matter
since.


Croes-egamiae2 5y .Vr. Spencer.


Jaw Mcleod when lie " as hrst arrested at
Nagaia Fall, on this charge; it was near where
lived but -.as not at home at the time of the
arinatlon' / saT MN mat evening ne was dt me
Eagle Hotel; he vas examined before Squire
Bradner; was told he was sent to Lockper,; might
have been Inquired of in the evening if this wa,
Mcleod | was at the Eagle quarter TO half
.our: did not appear against him as a witness
did not tell any one thar night that knew any
thing against Mcleod afterward [ appeared
against nim before the Grand jury; three or four
months after; nave heard that ne was Just taken
up had hearing on habeas corpus and was dis
charged: never appeared against him until his
animation before the Grand jury al Lockport;
heard tina, he was arrested at Lewiston, and con-
fined three or four days; did not 90 down; was aot