Examination.
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I reside in the town Of London. in Canada.
Have resided here ss.ce 1885, an native Of
EnglunG have resided IN Canada since 1884; an
90 years OF age and Treasurer Of the London Dis
tict. was attached 10 the naval brigade at
Chippewa | nas acting as ad-de-camp to Capt.
Drew wa not in command OF or attached 10
any vessel T. Is probable McLesd during
III week previous 20 the burning OF the arohne j.,
in.I when ct where, or how often, cannot say
never SPOKE to him, nor did near MIN converse
on the subject Of the Caro!ixe. never spoSe 70
him in nv lif-. nor did he 20 ne on any subject
He never was in boat with ne At any unie "ia'
ever do not know. nor have understood !'o'"
him ,ha, he went round Navy Island at any time.
The nlan fr DESTROYING the Caroline ir.t occurred
10 me on the afternoon OF the 29th OF Decerhoel'
1877. when in consequence OF having Decn III
recred. either by Cu McNab or Capt Drew, 10
ob.erye her rnorion- ] saw her 90 twice IRON
c.blosss, 10 Naey Island, and land men at the
later place She then returned to Sch!oss"r and
ler OFF her steam. / reported this circumstance
either to Col McNab er Capt. Drew or both, and
suggested tile expcdencv of cutting her out. !
did no, communicate any views on the subject 10
Mcleod, or any other persons than those before
named; nor could Mcleod have known Of ii to
the best Il rny knowledge. / first o5seryed the
Caroline during the afternoon OF the 29th Of De-
cember 1881, coming do"u 10 Scilosser- Me
Leod did no; communicate any thing respecting
her 10 me


We commenced our preparations t" attack her
toward, dusk, after she had let Der steam OH /
huyr 10 recollection ct being in Dayi.'s, or any
other layer- at hippewa tLe day after tn burning
uf the Caroline oi =; any other rin'e during rny
stay a, Chippewa dilnot ,ee Mcleod there TO
The best OF my collection. the Monday, or any
other day after the burning of the arolinc. can
no, say how many persons wrrc on the shore when
1he yxpedition embarked, bu; there were great
many. There were exactly IL (forty-one) persons
neirlor more ngr less who embarked in the expe-
d,on in the iye boat, that reached the Caroline,
There NAV nave been many a twelve IN the two
hon,s ila, did not reach her knew a great many
of those ,YhD embarked in The enterprise. Others
I kncw bv sie ht. and some did no, know. There
was 9 in the boat was in. took very active
part in sc,rng FIRE 10 the Caroline, aad was the
las, tina, left her. cannot say exactly now many
were in each boat | saw all the persons who en-
bnrled, but cauno, say that saw all their faces or
recognised the whole OF them knew every one
that was in The same boa, with me particularly,
and spoke to AID recognized each one OF them
Can't Drew commanded the boat was in, re-
turned in the same boat embarked in, but all the
nine persons did not return with me. Capt. Drew
commanded one boa, Shcphed Mccormick, Lieut..
in the Roynl Nay, another; Christopher Bier
another; Mr.. Gordon, another; and the Hon
John Elmslcy the fifth


The two which did not reach the Caroline we're
commanded by Messrs Hector and Battersby.
The seven boats returned to Chippewa. There were
no; many seconds between each of the FIVE boats
renching the Caroline. The boat il which was
arrived first. There was no man OF the name o.
Mcleod in the expedition. The boats did no, all
return at the surae timc nor did they all diserbark
AT the same ,imc Five only returned shortly utcr
each other was in the last of the five. The
crews of four other b9ais were on the beach when
/ landed, and they were immediately mustered and
The names taken down. did not stop to see the
names taken down, out left a person in the act OF
doing it. There were none OF. the regular ARMY
but several of the navy, among the persons who
composed the expedition. The remainder were
of the militia under Col. McNab They volun
,eered upon being Informed that their services
were required for secret expedition. The force
was not displayed in any military order, either on
its embarkation or Decentralization. Capt. Drew,
| think was the only person in uniform The party
were armed with sabres, pixies, cullasses and pis
tolls Their dresses were their own. My impress
sion is that some of the arms were procured from
the provincial Dragons. On their return. they
went TO their respective quarters.


They discmbarked about midnight. It was
cloudy but not IA dark night. cannot positively
say whether the moon up or had set. lhey
were al Chippewa the next morning at sunrise,
with the rest Of the force under Col. McNab. but
not embodied as "A distinct corps have not
since seen them together, armed and equipped as
they were that night. 1t must have beea after
o'clock when the party embarked. as we were ab-


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nssuilins psrry there were some wounded. ! wo-
not Mccormick was severely and anoi.er
slightly think that was Ill. There were none
killed Resistance was made by those attached
80 the Carone Some OF them had weapons
There were fe arms. saw pistol in the hands
of one person, who snapped it ut one of our men,
but whether it went of or not canuo; say. An
other had Gun or pistol, and fired from the bow
of the vessel at us approached. The ha
passed between Capt. Drew and myself. The
person who fired called out, 90 Turn out boys, the
enemy are coming - what boats are these =
Owe the counter sign and ,hen fired. think


saw other weapons in the hands OF the people on
board the Caroline, but cannot describe them
Besides this. fire arms were discharged from
white house not far from the wharf, probably nj
The distance OF 6e or 20 yards.


| cannot say whether they used any swords.
pixies or other military weapons. saw no can
non fire arms or munitions OF or military
stores on board, as did not search for ANY, fur
,her than those SAW in the hands Of ho>s on
board Tho steamboat, had no cannon mounted.
am no, aware that any one wss killed on board
There were one or two of them wounded. One OF
Them had a sabre cut, .vhe, believe, WAS put Oh
the wharf by some of our men. did not Kill or
wound any one saw no one killed, or any wound
inflicted ! did not discharge gun ~ pistol, nof
did strike any one with my weapon. All on board
the Caroline were driven ashore before she was cut
leose as Capt. Drew's orders were 10 drive them
or shore and hut as few as possible, and TO cast
her off from Inc wharf prcxiou. 10 seilng hre 20