quite numb. Of Deputy Marshals arpoin,ed
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quite number Of Deputy Marshals appointed
about that period.


Crosscraminef


Never heard that Navy Island was good hunt
ing ground then. There were three men with arms
think who went over; did not any artillery
taken over. General Van Rensselaer,. who COM
rls4ded Navy Island. was. believe, American
Believe General Sutherland was there, but don't
know he was there that day DID no, learn II
Mackenzie was on the Island. Know Of qusnr-
" OF arms bring taken from Buffalo. This was
immediately after he heard OF the movements OF
the Patriots on our shores Il may have been
fortnight before the burning of the Caroline.
went 10 Black Rock with the Sheriff and Ne there
found Sutherland and others wiki arms IN their
hands. These were taken from them and brought
back to Buffalo III the cars There was large
quantity of them never was at the guard-house
whea the arms were there. These the only
arms know of being taken from Buffalo.


.Setb Rinmqn-I reside at Youngstown Mag
ara county wa. in Chippewa in December 1887.
and was working as joiner there remember the
destruction OF the Caroline and was in Chippewa
Al the time; know Mcleod; have seen him ire
quently at Chippewa and Niagara before and since
the destruction OF the Caroline; saw him that even
ing a. Mr. Davis ;, about to . O'Clock Il might
nave been as late as g or later him pass
through the bar-room; there was n sond many
people there; he passed sut Of doors. but cannot
>av If there were any person. in company with
him. can say ii he was armed or not: saw him
the next morning, 1t might have been sunrise
there vas not 4 crowd OF men round him he was
in front of Davis's in the square: heard him say
nothing; he walking towards DaviS's; did not
observe If he was armed that time; think ii was
before sunrise | heard of the burning of the Car
oline from four men who came in to get something
10 drink. and went down to Daviss to hear about
ii they appeared to be much around there; think
it was not far from sunrise perhaps litte before
( had not had breakfast.


Cross examined


| i've now in Youngstown; | last saw Mcleod
on that night d, late as o'clock. II might be later
or earlier ! attended bar at place abou, so or
100 rods from Davis it pretty Su,y times
there; | went down TO Davis to hear the news,
as had been used to do; there not many
came 10 Cavannagh's (whcIe | tended BARI
there did to Davis. and therefore | could hear
more There than at Cavannagh's | was at Davis
at I or o'clock was UP there the evening be-
fore, merely 10 hear the news there great
many soldiers there and strangers coming in;
was there gain the evening after the destruction
of the Caroline but can't tell who | saw there;
the reason OF my noticing Mcleod particularly
was. because | had seen hiR arrest people and
seen the way he used them, and ! watched him
pretty close was sworn before Squire Bell on the
examination of Mcleod did not say anything
then about having seen Mcleod in the morning,
/ because / did nor recoect it then might have
been asked then as to that particularly don't
collect that ! was don't recollect when | first
mentioned that saw him in the morning. think
it was some time last spring spoke TO McCorson
about it.


Have you taken any part in the Canuda disturb
nnce Waived Swore before Squire Bell that
| saw Mcleod between and that evening
Have never been able to contribute toward the as
sistance of the Canadians. Did YOU ever aid in
secreting Benz. Lett or ferr, ing him across the
river Never did Are you member Of any
secret association in this State or United States
whose object Is TO promote or carry on any enter
prize against the Canadas, to produce Il rup-
turc between the TWO countries


M Hah-Ind~peadent OF any reserve on the
part OF the witness solcmnly protest against this
Court being made instrumental in getting out tes-
timony having no bearing this case, and only
intended for another purpose.


Mr.. Spencer said, that this is not the first time
the Attorney General had inslnuated that counsel
for the prisoner seeking to get out testimony
for other purposes. And | Tow rise TO answer
/
The competency OF the evidence which had been
offered. and now Say before the Court and the
dience. that neither purpose or desire to put any
questions or elicit any facts which have not di-
rect bearing on the case am not here on the
part of the United States to procure testimony for
that government as the insinuation of the Attorney
General would Imply. And II | know any thing
about the trial OF for his liie il Is essential
tha; the Jury should believe the testimony And
ask the Attorney General, can the jury be as
ready to believe those men who have been soactye
in enlisting men and getting up enterprises against
Canada, a. they would the testimony of respec-
table citizen of Buffalo | believe that those as
sociations exist fron the 4jth degree of North
latitude to the entrance Of Lake Huron. be-
lieve the man on the stand TO have been engaged
in getting NJ hestilities against Canada, and am
/ to be told that | cannot enquire into 1t


The Court said that no testimony could be adj
mitted except what had legitimate bearing on
Mcleod guilt innocence


Aus Never was member of any association
against Cansda-lhinh | am not now


By the Court. Haze yar been since the com
rnencement OF the Disturbances Of Canada You
are not compelled to state If YOU have been en-
gagged in any military enterprise against Canada.


Aas. Do mt know that have been against
Oduddd nave ueeLl = iHS'i4OrI VI t''S va tN'"'
Society," The Court here remarked 10 the wit
ness that # he made another answer Of that kind
he would be committed to prison. Do nj know
nov to answer the question. Have heard OF
Hunter. and Hunters Lodges. Never heard any
other name for them have been in once, twice or
three times.


Bo tie Court Where In Niagara County.
When? Two years ago, about; never heard the
subject OF procuring arms, &c. for the Canadians
discussed at the meetings. Never had much tc
say myself, and never heard much that said.


Re-exdmined.


The Huaters Lodges are not constituted for the