TRIAL OF ALEX. MCLEOD.

Third Dnr.... .wsnxrsnAr. Oct. 6. I2. P.M
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Calrn U'asoa eross-era7,i,.e3 ~ -llr. Spencer.


Did you say any thing when there asked
Meredith il ne wa, to he collector. Had you heard
be was a7Poin;edl Yes. Did no; Reyncocl N
away from Canada before January, 1888 No.
Did he not run away before the Caroline was de-
-troyed No. How soon after did he e away
Cant tell; ! saw him there after that. Cai.J tell
any thing said by any other person there No.
When nave you declared what you knew since ysu
same TO Uuca' no ansNcT.) How came YOU
here ! va, subponaed. Why were YOU sub
ponacd ! don't Know. When did YOU isii
what You knew Tha; same night. To whom
To one Christopher Herring. l have told what
knew OF THIS ouy since | came 70 Utica. | was
subponaed. but doa't snow how | came to be; |
did not ask to De summoned. don't know but
might have mentioned this at the Line. but no;
siacs Mcleod was arrested. | have not taken
any very -.eat part in the patriot affairs.


Question by Mr Spencer.-IIayc you ever be-
longed to a Patriot LODGE


llr. HeN.-I submit 10 the Court whether The
question Is admissible. Whether there are such
thing, a Patriot Lodges or nst do not know;
but if the question Is asked, It viii be necessary TO
ascertain wha; Patriot Lodges arc what their
canzation and appurtenauces. therefore hope
the Court viii not allow question to be asAed
which IN way appertain' 10 the


.Ig@1e Grjdlcg.-I advise counsel to change the
form of the question, which can be easily done,
without taking up much time, Uf which have
none to spare.


Nr. Spencer. l. is for your Honor to decide
whether the question Is proper one.


Ht3ge Gridiey. You have right 70 show II the
witness was, IN feeling favorable TO the Patriots,
if he carried active operations wiki them. on the
same ground that you may show whether witness
i the friend ot either of the parties.


Nr Spencer SAID luat had nc been convcisant
with the man feelings, BE- could examine MIN more
intellieiby but he Gid not know that the man would
be brought ner, as witness. He insisted that 1t
was conpetent question to put 10 him. and If the
Attorney General inquire what the Patriot
Lodges were he Nr. Spcncer) had no objection TO
his doing so.


Jadge Gri1ley. Ifi is desirable to do, we viii
DO it.


-ll-. Spencer. 1t is desirable to show the state
OF feeling on tie part of the witness


Judge Gridley. Put the question, and IL he says
he has taken no active measures IN the cause, per
haps YOU can then put an0- her question. do not
iu,licially know what the term Patriot Lodges
means. or whether they sort 10! treemason
or some other such institution; but ii | udieiaily
knew those Patriot Lodges as an institution,
the object oC which was to get up an enterprize
against Canada, | could then admit the question
But it seems to me that ifit is necessary to ferret
on, the truth counsel will have ample opportunity
to do So


Mr.. Spencer again ncrrogated the witness, who
answered:


I have taken an interest in the movements against
Canada, since the destruction of the Caroline. |
have assisted the Canadian Refugees by giving
them what li,tlc had to spare. | have not given
any great amount. At a rough guess dare say |
have given about $500. | have frequently had
some Of the Refugees nt M house can't par
tcularize any one. There were some OF my own
namesakes. and some others.


How many of these people did you assist and
! what are their names


.Vr. Hall objected to the question.


JaIge Gridiey IL matters not how many he
assisted in that way. By doing : ue did act
OF charity. But if he assisted them in enter-
prise against Canada it would be u different mat
ter | will put question 20 him. Have you, be-
fore or after the burning OF the Caroline, aided in
promoting enterprise against Ca2adai ! nave
since that


Counsel for the prosecution interrupted the wit
ness, ard rcmarkrd to the Court that getting up
aa enterprise in tnis STATE against Canada was Il
criminal offence, and that the witness was not
bound to tell any thing that might criminate HIM
self


TBdge Gridley, addressing the witness said, the
aiding, assis;ng,or in any WAY promoting military
enterprise against Canada Is offence against the
laws OF the United States and you are not obliged
TO answer that question. il you think the answer
world convic, YOU OF such crime, form link IN
! the chain of testimony tha; would convict you.


Witness [ decline answering. Are you mem
Der Of any secret association, except treemasons


Judge Gridtcg. You may decline answering
,Ha 81 lrant y
informed you if you think IT necessary to do So
The witness feelings the subject are sufficiently
apparent.


decline answering


Did you ever entertain Lett


Jldcc Gcidiey. do m know but that his do
ing so would be criminal, and therefore ne Is pro-
tccted for that reason, from answering.


decline answering. have conversei on the
subject OF thus trial since the burning Of the Caro-
lnc. and before came here have not conyerSed
very generally don think nave conversed on
the subject of the importance OF Mcleod con
victiou-1ont know particularly if have talked
with any one about the trial: aot siace lie was
indicted did before: doat thnk have ever told
about his being convicted have talked with James
Smith about 1t since came here; don't know
whar said 10 him. nave Rever said that tue con
viction OF Mcleod would be likely TO get tae
country in a war think | never thought OF such
thing nave never expressed TO any one de-
sire to have him convicted; entertain no -ucf
feelings; am willing to see MIN have fair trial
Mr. Buck summoned me here don't recoef
when believe il was a week ago last Friday; an
not man Of property; had no more when | con
tribuied 5000 thau | have now; have family
and had rhen.


The Court here took recess.


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