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on service und my command. ! ihiDk the cut
asses were procured from t.c Queens s,,sos. Al
cr the exocdi;on, the composing Il continued
on duty uni lie forces under D.y command were
disbanded. s5ou; the end OF January or the besiG-
uisy OF February. 10 he bG,, OF my recollection
II Wa shout midnight when the force diseubsrSed.


I,,ya< 70; neoalish; night | think i; was cloudy


DO not recollect whether the moon Was up noi.


The force. sitter their return. their respect


iye alar,crs Dono, know whether thsy were 10
.,,,ber az sunrise or rot. They were quariercd IN


different houses in and about Chippewa.


have seen the men engaged in the expedition
since on parade. some OF them armed snd equip
ped as militia men. cannot give iheir sames os
tie period when saw them. Some OF them we're
S.,b>scrcntiy ordered on sosri OF ,choonecs lying
IN ,ns river. -n nor say ,ha, hnvc seen 'tlH
,aSl- body of man together. armed aad eqmpPed
as they were or that expedition. The expedition
embarked about 10 o'clock, ?. VI. 'here we're
'orrs OF the ssss;iing paf wounded IN me a.
t1cS-Lieu-. NcCotmlck severely i.ere was no
one Ned. As reported a. me rs commanding
eitcer. have reason to believe there was no one
ot board the Caroline when >hc was cur loose ard
sent over The Fails. I have no knowledge ot Sny
ihrs having been taSsa from the Caro.iae.
hearl thar she coming down a ie,v days he
lore her arriysl. THIS iriormatjou was derived





From the manner IN which ,ha iut)rnetion was
gwen 10 me. do NOT feel at G5eriy TO give their
nar.cs I did not obtain the information from
Alexander Mcleod. have pec,ou by the
name of SyvHpus :. Reby. | frSt saw KIM n
Chippewa. H was not engaged 10 Her Mair>tys
service in December, 1887, TO my knowledge
cannot recoiioct the eNoct time when htsl
frs, II was during the time was in command
there To the best of mv recollection neither
saw nor >ncw him previously 10 the destruction
Of the Caroline. nave no knowledge ot his be-
lns on board of TIE Caroline when size was a;-
lacked, nor did he ever inform me thar he Wss.


DO not know where Bsby NOW is | do not
tccoect seeing him before the attack on the Caro-
.;ue nor DO know where he was. do not know
HAT AicL.oi went - Buffalo IN the month 0t De-
cember, 1887. NOT 30 rccoiect heuring him say
,hat ne did So To ascertain whether any steamboat
was TO be taken down from thence to Schlosscr,
Navy Island OF near there for ANY other purpose


have no recollection OF Me cLeoj telling me or
any person in my presence, tine day or night be-
fore the Caroline was destroyed, At any other
time before. that she was coming down from
Buffalo 20 Navy Island any other place IN that
vicinity | have no knowledge ot Mcleod ie-
,nainns M Chippewa, the day Before the Caroline
vas destroyed 10 keep look OUT TO see wren she
cnme down 10 Navy l.and or Schlcsser; nor do
recoect ever ha.ing heard hun say that he did SO.
Seven boats were itst engaged in the expedition.
None stared from Chippewa age All sNrted
from ihc Chippewa river. None got aground az
Buck-Horn Island am not aware that any per
son or persons IA. or were employed to rilot the
boats. have heard of person living on ,he
Niagara frontier Of tho name of Wiscoon but |
DO not recolcct of ever having seen him. do
not think there was any one OF that name on the
expedition


Afiiionai Cross-eramindtion.


NV order to Capt Drew was verbal, as before
stated the substance OF which was, 10 take and
destroy the Caroline as near as | can recolect.
The order was given on the evening OF the day
on which she was destroyed, on the beach, near
to the place where the boats put oil. had no
orders to invade the territory OF the United States
In my orders to Capt. Drew, nothing was said
about invading the territory otthe United states
but such was their nature that Capt Drew might
feel himself justified in destroying the boat
wherever he might find her. 10 not recolIect
her coming down more than once. did receive
information of her intended coming, before she
arrived The peculiar circumstances under
which received that information, makes me teel
that | cannot, with any proprety, disclose the
n4:les of those who communicated II 10 me.
That inlurmoion, however, was not received
from Alexander Mcleod. received no nfor-
nation of the state or condition of the Caroline,
after she arrived at Schlosser. am under the
impression although will not be positive, that
did furnish the Lieut.. Governor of Upper Canada
wl!h the names ofthe officers and men who were
IA the expedition 10 destroy ihs Caroline II
did 80, 1t must have been written list. do not
lccoect whether il was accompanied with
written communication or not. Capt Ushers
namc could not have been in the list, as ie was
not OF the party. do not recolect Mcleod
having informed me of the Caroline having leit
Buffalo, on her way 10 Navy Island nor did he
solicit permission to prepare an expedition 10 de-
srroy her; nor did he suggest that such an expe
dition should be fitted out; nor did he say any
thing to me-, nor to HIM, on the subject OF such
an expedition, the night before the Caroline came
down, or at any other tIme 10 the best OF my re-
collection.


3Tr Spacer then presented the testimony Of
John Harris when Mr. Hall objected to ts being
read-but waved the objection for the present.


John Harris's testimony


Taken oni sworn Kingston, in Canada on the 18th


Sept lS!l, before JAMES r. SMALL and JA"Es HARVEY


PaicE EsIrs., Commissioners-JosErI! CEsrER being


present and approving FOR the people, and Hia'"
-GANDNrR for the accused,l


Direct Ecom.natioa


have no personal acqlaintance with AleXan-
der Mcleod am not certain that ever spoke
r. him in my life knew him by sigh; not for
lonerr period Than q week | recollect the de-
s.fqccion Of the Caroline was in Chippewa
abou. that time, and about week or ten days be
fore fhe was Destroyed Those who went 10 de-
s.roy her embarked at he mouth ofthe Chippewa
creek. The n-n were in The boats about hall an
hour before they started They were ordered m
70 the boats as they arrived. was amongst them,
engaged under Capt. Drew IN manning the boats.
/ had every opportunity that any officer has Of
seeing and noticing those engaged in the eXpedI-
ton under his command. DO not know where
IL. MeLeod was when those who went 70 de