[speaker003:] Did you manage?
[speaker004:] Yeah, sh not quite.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] You will see uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Ah. [vocalsound] Hello.
[speaker001:] Hello. So, are you d what were j you guys discussing?
[speaker004:] [gap] [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] No, just uh ask if if he could manage.
[speaker004:] Woah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] Okay. Did you find anything new?
[speaker004:] Mm uh nothing special. Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] I have a lot of new information.
[speaker004:] Yeah, the [disfmarker] for uh the trendy uh stuff. A little bit.
[speaker001:] Great, great. Come on. [gap].
[speaker004:] I uh now will show it.
[speaker003:] Hey, everything alright.
[speaker002:] Well, I had just a little bit of time,
[speaker003:] Did you manage?
[speaker002:] so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I hope it's something uh we can work with.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] What's [disfmarker] uh here. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah, I had the same. It just uh shuts itself down
[speaker003:] Do you have a lot of new information?
[speaker004:] and [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Hmm?
[speaker003:] Do you have a lot of new information?
[speaker002:] Well, I heard that there was a new uh [vocalsound] component [disfmarker] speech recognition component,
[speaker004:] Oh.
[speaker002:] which was pretty much up to standard,
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] That's true.
[speaker001:] And there we are.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Huh.
[speaker002:] so we might use that [disfmarker] I put that in my drawing, but again I didn't not have that much time. So [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Alright. I have a lot of new information.
[speaker001:] What the f oh, yeah uh.
[speaker003:] I have a complete list of uh everything that we can use, all the components that all av available.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] It doesn't do what I want it [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Okay,
[speaker003:] I have no [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] that's just super. Let me just [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] I still don't have any finance information, but at least we have a lot more to go on now
[speaker004:] [gap].
[speaker002:] [gap] uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay fine, that's too bad.
[speaker002:] You need to start it up first?
[speaker001:] Yeah, I have to start our [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] 'Kay. Okay, go again. Well second phase, conceptual design. It's fine, everybody knows what we're talking about. So,
[speaker004:] Yep.
[speaker001:] take you past the minutes of last meeting again. Again you get your three presentate to see what you came up with. So too bad we don't have any finance information apparently. So that's too bad. So then we'll just have to d uh have to go on, you know, the information that we have to make the [disfmarker] make final decisions on uh on a conceptual design. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Here we go. Anyway, last w last w what discussed last time, you all remember that, that we have to keep the electronics size in mind. Same goes for you. We have to have an easy design with big buttons which are durable and there are people actually spen willing to spend money to do [disfmarker] to get more features and uh among those features LCD screen and voice recognition are very popular. So we have to make a move on that area, I guess. S especially s when when the new uh component is applicable in our uh product, we'll be fine. Anyways, well teletext wasn't important [disfmarker] and that's [gap] what I took. And the consumer, yeah, we aim for young consumers, so that's fine. And well actually we [disfmarker] yeah, we did need some more data on finances, but w yeah we still don't have that apparently.
[speaker004:] Mm uh-huh.
[speaker001:] That's too bad. Yeah, we need to im de we are going to implement the beep and the flash thing to recover your remote. So [disfmarker] one of these interchangeable covers apparently which will make it a more fashionable product. So [disfmarker] [gap] anyway. Guess we'll have to do this after the after the [disfmarker] you give your presentations. So I'll just close this one now, and let's [disfmarker] uh let's see, [gap].
[speaker002:] Okay,
[speaker004:] I bet [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] what t
[speaker001:] We have a lot to tell. You had a lot to go on. So uh how about you go first.
[speaker003:] Yep, that's right.
[speaker002:] Okay, yeah.
[speaker004:] Oh okay.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Let's see where my presentation is.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Okay, um this I mentioned before. Every feature for our remote control needs [gap] [disfmarker] to have their own operating electronic devices. We need to take care of that. Then warning, uh there has to be a chip in our remote control. And the chip requirements uh needed for a normal button uh is just a simple chip, uh scroll-wheel, [gap] and LCD is an advanced. Of course this is more expensive than this. So we have to decide on that in a minute.
[speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] The available uh components for energy are, we have a basic battery, a hand an uh dynamo, like in uh old torches. We have a kin uh kinetic provision, then you have to shake the remote control to get the energy.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] And we have solar cells. [vocalsound] I suggest that we uh decide on that one uh immediately. Then I have all lists. So [disfmarker] My personal uh fav favourite is the kinetic provision
[speaker004:] Um [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] because uh I ha
[speaker001:] Does it provide enough energy?
[speaker003:] I think so, yes.
[speaker001:] Also if if we were choose the the LCD option, would it give enough energy [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yes. Yes.
[speaker001:] Okay, that's [disfmarker] the [disfmarker] just assume it takes [gap].
[speaker003:] Because I had the information uh you take uh the remote control, you pick it up at least two times a day. So then it's already shaken and gives energy.
[speaker001:] Well, I'm not sure if it's shaken enough,
[speaker002:] Is that enough?
[speaker003:] [gap]. Or [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] because [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Because I don't really see people shaking their remote control before using it.
[speaker001:] No, I don't think so,
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] because uh watches can go on kinetic energy
[speaker003:] Think [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] because they move all the time. But I'm sure t I mean remotes lie still I think like ninety nine percent of the time.
[speaker003:] Hmm. Hmm.
[speaker001:] So I don't think that's a really good [disfmarker] the other alternative were solar cells.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] I don't think that's applicable
[speaker003:] Other options are solar cells, hand dynamo and basic battery.
[speaker001:] because
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker001:] I thin why
[speaker002:] And what does the hand dynamo [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] why shouldn't we take a basic battery?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] oh, sorry.
[speaker004:] A rechargeable maybe.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Only basic battery? Okay,
[speaker001:] Why not?
[speaker003:] but I think this is not a r
[speaker004:] Re rechargeable basi
[speaker001:] I mean everybody everybody knows how to use that.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap].
[speaker001:] It's it's common. So [disfmarker] and it's available everywhere.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So why sh mm I think [gap] better.
[speaker003:] Yeah, but I think this rules out our unit [disfmarker] our rechargeable unit.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] This is really [disfmarker] a really basic battery, a normal battery.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but it's [disfmarker] Yeah, uh it wasn't it wasn't in the options, a rechargeable m module actually.
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker003:] Huh? Okay, that's uh [disfmarker] [gap]. Okay?
[speaker001:] Okay yeah,
[speaker004:] Yep. Basic.
[speaker001:] b you c of course you could place re re-chargeable batteries. But that's up to the consumer himself. So [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Okay, but then we don't offer a re-chargement function. That's what it says.
[speaker001:] Well, mm it's not in the list. So we cannot choose from it. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Exactly.
[speaker001:] Okay, will just take regular batteries.
[speaker003:] Alright. Right. Yep.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Next one is curving. Uh we can make a model that has one curve, two or three. And uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Curves being? [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] uh th uh the shape. Of course uh the more curves the more expensive.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Of the remote control itself,
[speaker003:] Exactly. Yes.
[speaker004:] But [disfmarker] But [disfmarker] It dep But [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] okay. I was thinking along the line of one curve. I'll show that in my design.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Okay, we'll get back on that later.
[speaker002:] So we'll get back to that.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Just [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Hmm. I think one curve is uh fine.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But what were the implications if you [disfmarker] if put more curves it [disfmarker] it's gets more expensive.
[speaker004:] Depends on the user.
[speaker003:] More expensive.
[speaker001:] Okay,
[speaker003:] More difficult to make.
[speaker001:] so I think with with the extras that we had there it's two curves I suppose.
[speaker003:] Exactly.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] And I believe even that the r the number of options we have on putting things in it uh goes down with [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Also decreases, okay.
[speaker003:] exactly. [vocalsound] Material. I have to offer a plastic, rubber, wood or titanium. Uh if we choose plastic, we cannot choose solar cells for energy. If we choose titanium, uh we cannot use more than one curve.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] But we don't have that so fast.
[speaker001:] More than one curve, uh yeah okay.
[speaker002:] Okay, I t
[speaker001:] We'll just go uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] I'd go for plastic because I have a couple of curves in my design.
[speaker001:] 'Cause it [disfmarker] yeah, I'm not sure.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] Well, g let's just get back to that.
[speaker001:] We'll discuss that later. Okay, we have [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] so I think we can rule out um [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] I'm not sure we can rule anything out. We'll do that when y when you get your design.
[speaker003:] No. But I think wood is not an option either.
[speaker002:] No, wood's not an option. No.
[speaker001:] No, wood i wood's not an option. Well
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] it [disfmarker] it's stylish, but we can [disfmarker] yeah,
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] but you can change your covers anyway.
[speaker004:] No.
[speaker003:] Okay. My personal thought was uh rubber because I had an email, I believe it was from you, uh f against falling.
[speaker001:] Yeah, is it [disfmarker] keep in mind that it [disfmarker] it's it's [disfmarker] uh it fal uh remote controls fall a lot on the ground.
[speaker004:] [gap] [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] So you don't want it to break. So either have rubber edges
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] or [disfmarker] a rubber remote control is very durable.
[speaker003:] Okay. Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] Continue.
[speaker002:] but it doesn't have to be unbreakable,
[speaker004:] No.
[speaker002:] because we do need to keep selling these thing [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Don't have to be un-breakable, it's p it's a [disfmarker] it's not supposed to ju yeah, break after one use.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Okay, well
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I mean it [disfmarker] they
[speaker002:] that [disfmarker] that's definitely true.
[speaker001:] they fall a lot. So [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Mm. I think we have to decide on this anyway. Uh because if we make removeable covers, it has to be one of those mat materials. We have no more than this. So [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Because it [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [gap] [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] well, ru will rubber actually protect the remote control itself? Because it [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Well, you have for [disfmarker] if you [disfmarker] if for example if you take hard plastic. If it falls it might crack. And rubber uh kind of softens the fall.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but then you buy a new cover. But rubber [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I'm not sure if it's the it's the entire cover you change. Uh, it's could be.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Are are we focussi [disfmarker] focussing on on the [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] You know what, th we're focusing very much on the covers now. I think it's just w now we're going for the basic design.
[speaker004:] But [disfmarker] But [gap] [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] If we wanna expand our options, f be fashionable, then we can get changeable covers. But I think the basic thing [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] let's just rule out wood for now and continue.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker004:] Not that but are we focussing on the uh younger people or the elder people?
[speaker001:] We're definitely focussing on the younger people,
[speaker004:] Younger, okay. Yeah, that's okay. Nah, that's [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] 'cause that was our main goal.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Alright. Then I proceed, but I need to know after this meeting.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay okay, we will.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Interface, uh I have four things to offer, pu uh normal push-buttons of course. Um uh we have a lot of expertise on that one. We have a large history, our company, on push-buttons.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] Scroll-wheels, uh those can be pushed as well, although that is more expensive. Um liquid crystal colour display and um [disfmarker] What is this? Okay, and if we use rubber, I already mentioned that, we can only use rubber buttons. So rubber can only match with rubber.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] Which one of those are we gonna use?
[speaker001:] Evident. Yeah, o of course we're gonna use. But I didn't I didn't go on the thought of a scroll-wheel actually.
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker003:] Huh.
[speaker002:] of cour
[speaker004:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I'm still deciding on what what what could you use it for.
[speaker003:] No.
[speaker001:] Maybe for volume control.
[speaker003:] I think the channels.
[speaker001:] Channel, I think that would be annoying
[speaker003:] Oh.
[speaker001:] because it might accidentally scroll onto another channel.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I think a push-button for channel would be better.
[speaker003:] [gap].
[speaker001:] I mean it [disfmarker] for volume control it's it's a smoother motion,
[speaker003:] Huh? Huh.
[speaker001:] you can just increase or decrease. But not sure. For channels will be good.
[speaker003:] Hmm. But [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah, but there is a [disfmarker] is it really necessary 'cause a normal push-button can do that job.
[speaker001:] I don't think so. I haven't I haven't taken it into consideration.
[speaker003:] Huh? Oh. Ah so
[speaker004:] But th the younger people [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] but it looks cool.
[speaker001:] I don't think we really need one.
[speaker003:] Mm no.
[speaker004:] my investigation turns out that the younger people want a little bit uh material that that is uh spongy
[speaker003:] Oh. Ah. flashy and [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker004:] and uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [gap].
[speaker003:] I think would be cool, scroll-wheel.
[speaker004:] So [disfmarker] A sc
[speaker003:] It's not that much [disfmarker] uh if we take a normal scroll-wheel without the pushing, then it's not expensive. We can do that. Think.
[speaker001:] But why do we need it?
[speaker002:] Yeah, but why would we use it?
[speaker003:] Ah we don't need it,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] but it's [disfmarker] uh it's design [disfmarker] a design thing.
[speaker001:] If we don't need it, why put it in your why put it in your in your [disfmarker] if it's if it's not something people are looking for or is useful.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, you get [disfmarker] [vocalsound] No.
[speaker003:] I think they are looking for that. Of course we have uh a young target group.
[speaker001:] Are they?
[speaker003:] So they might find that attractive in a remote con
[speaker004:] Scroll-wheel? Uh I don't know.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but if it's if it's not useful, I don't think it I don't think it gives an extra function to the remote.
[speaker004:] Yeah, that's it.
[speaker001:] Anyway [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Okay. So push-buttons we will use. Uh LCD screen?
[speaker002:] Perhaps. I have t I have two different [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Is that s
[speaker001:] What you [disfmarker] what [disfmarker] what'd you get on the LCD screen?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Is it expensive? Does it [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Uh I only know that if we are using that, we need ano uh an advanced chip in it. And that is more expensive.
[speaker001:] And how much more expensive is that?
[speaker003:] I have no idea. I have no absolute numbers.
[speaker001:] Or [disfmarker] No absolute numbers,
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker003:] I only have [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [gap].
[speaker001:] but it's just more expensive and takes more room I suppose in your in your design.
[speaker003:] Yeah, but I don't think room is really an issue.
[speaker001:] Don't think it's an issue, okay. Oh let's go for [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] let's say because it is uh very hot in n our target group I think, we should take it take it t to consideration to build an LCD screen in it.
[speaker004:] [gap].
[speaker002:] I have two designs, one including uh [vocalsound] an LCD screen, wh which is basically the deluxe edition.
[speaker004:] For the future.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And then I also have a standard edition, which wi we can also choose to develop too.
[speaker001:] Which basically has the same functionality, but lacks the LCD screen.
[speaker004:] Yep
[speaker002:] Exactly.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] But we'll [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] We'll pick a [disfmarker] we'll pick from uh [disfmarker] we'll just combine everything later.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Okay. Electronics, uh the first one is the chip. Uh that's no longer an option, it has to be an advanced one now. 'Cause we have the LCD screen.
[speaker002:] Yep.
[speaker003:] Then we have an infrared sender, I think that's basic, we cannot do without.
[speaker002:] Basically,
[speaker004:] Yep.
[speaker002:] it [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Otherwise it's not s a remote control.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] And we have the sample sensor and speaker, the voice recognition thing. Are we gonna do that or not?
[speaker001:] Once again I was [disfmarker] would ask you if it's expensive,
[speaker002:] Oh, I got [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] but apparently you don't have any data.
[speaker003:] I only have uh uh relative information.
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker] Well what d what was exact what you got on the on the new component?
[speaker002:] I got an email that it's relatively small.
[speaker001:] That's small. So we can implement it.
[speaker002:] Yes, let me just [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Get back.
[speaker001:] So why why [disfmarker] if it's small and we can imp why shouldn't we?
[speaker003:] Oh how did you [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] And there's um [disfmarker] [gap] get your mar marketing report?
[speaker003:] That goes also for the scroll-wheel, by the way.
[speaker001:] What was uh the last number of how many people were interested in voice recognition?
[speaker004:] Um uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Although it's hard for different countries of course.
[speaker004:] The most of them um [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] But you have to programme it yourself, I suppose, with your own voice.
[speaker004:] Um uh more than uh sixty percent.
[speaker001:] More than sixty percent of the people would like voice recognition.
[speaker004:] Yeah. Mean of uh seventy percent I think.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker004:] Uh I'm [disfmarker] I have to look it up.
[speaker001:] If it's small, if it's fits, if if people like it, why not?
[speaker003:] Yeah. Hmm. But don't we have any w uh information about scroll-wheel? Scroll-wheel. If people would like that.
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] No. No,
[speaker003:] That's strange, because that's the same story.
[speaker004:] only [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] It's it's not necessary like an LCD,
[speaker004:] Ah. I don't know.
[speaker003:] but it's just [disfmarker] it adds something to the design.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but we got some data on people that actually are int [disfmarker] are interested in that, and I don't think a scroll-wheel offers new functionality,
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] On the most spee
[speaker001:] whereas speech recognition and LCD screen do offer new functionality in your product.
[speaker003:] No
[speaker004:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Oh [gap] that's r
[speaker004:] [gap] [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] But I think uh we now already have to uh implement uh an advanced chip.
[speaker001:] Uh I think so,
[speaker003:] So it's m
[speaker001:] because if [disfmarker] I think we're specially w if you're going [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah, for the future.
[speaker001:] maybe uh if you have the two editions you wanna wanna give out, probably you have one with uh with speech recognition and [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Well, they b they basically can have speech recognition. I mainly focused on the LCD uh aspect.
[speaker001:] Um [disfmarker] Yeah, hold on a minute. Were were you [disfmarker] we're finished? Or [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] No, but that's that's okay.
[speaker001:] Oh. Because if there's something that [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [gap] [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] 'Cause you wanted to see them,
[speaker003:] There is still time.
[speaker001:] 'Cause have [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] right?
[speaker001:] did you have all the materials? Or everything that you desc
[speaker003:] Yes, this was uh the last MS. I have a clear picture.
[speaker001:] Okay, so uh just just go for design for now. Just m have a seat for a second. Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] We'll combine everything after this.
[speaker002:] So this is basically the deluxe edition.
[speaker001:] Why is it s why is it squared?
[speaker002:] I j Why is it square?
[speaker001:] Why did you pick square? Or uh not square, but why is it [gap] [disfmarker] yeah, sharp corners.
[speaker002:] It [disfmarker] 'cause it's designy. It's basically [disfmarker] it has some futuristic [disfmarker] Potentially,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] yeah. I don't really know.
[speaker001:] [gap]
[speaker002:] But I just thought that uh in normal remote controls you have like smooth curves and this and that,
[speaker004:] People [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Looks like a Star Trek phaser. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] and this is something new, this is something different, something fresh.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's true.
[speaker002:] And basically what you can see here is that it has a little, yeah, let's say gap
[speaker004:] Ri
[speaker002:] which you can put your finger in.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Or [disfmarker] Okay, so just [disfmarker] yeah,
[speaker004:] So only r right-handed.
[speaker001:] you can rest it on your finger.
[speaker002:] So you can you can hold it really comfortable,
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] that's basically the idea.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] But it [disfmarker] but it's only right-handed then. Not for the left.
[speaker002:] Or left hand.
[speaker001:] No, it just uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Or [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] I doesn't really matter.
[speaker001:] it's a curve inside a thing.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] As you can see, this is the remote control
[speaker004:] Where? Wher
[speaker001:] It's on the back.
[speaker004:] Oh in the back, okay.
[speaker002:] Uh you can't really see it that well,
[speaker004:] Oh yeah yeah.
[speaker002:] but this is the LCD screen.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker002:] So just imagine it goes that way.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think it's okay.
[speaker004:] Oh yeah yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah yeah. Yeah.
[speaker002:] Then you can see you can hold it in your left or in your right hand. And I also made a quick image, 'cause I did not have that much time, of the standard edition
[speaker004:] I thought it [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] which has basically the keys are pretty much the same.
[speaker001:] Keys are probably the n the number keys, I suppose.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I had to do this really fast. So excuse me for the uh inconvenience here,
[speaker001:] Okay. Well,
[speaker002:] but as you can see, the keys moved.
[speaker001:] you can work on the actual concept or actual design later with him.
[speaker002:] Yeah. So these are basically the two types we have.
[speaker001:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] So if we were to select the LCD screen, the transmitter here, you can see the light i
[speaker001:] Well, I think what you have to keep in mind is that um you're moving the the the number keys from the top. Uh in the the simple design you have them at a top, and the uh complex design you have them at the bottom. So it would [disfmarker] that would give us a totally different design. So [disfmarker] which actually making a whole different product instead of two different models. I think it would be very expensive to produce two whole different products.
[speaker002:] Well we can shift that.
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] But normally, as you can see there, we put the uh number buttons right on top. [vocalsound] Whereas because we had the LCD screen here, we had to move them downward,
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, [gap] uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] so what you could say is that [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] or for example, why did you pick the mm the numbers uh all the way below, and the and the channels and volume control [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Because these are basically the functions you use the most.
[speaker004:] Well it [disfmarker] it's [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker002:] So if you hold it in your hand like this, you put your finger in the gap, this is the m most easy part. Bit. For zapping,
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Hmm, I agree.
[speaker001:] That's fine. That's fine.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] cau because people are zapping most of the time.
[speaker001:] Just as long as you tak took it into consideration what people would prefer. Uh, okay if you all agree, I'm fine with it.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Okay. So that's pretty much ha which I had in mind. As you can see here, this can be spaced for extra keys, which is the design thingys.
[speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] No it [disfmarker] maybe it's better to look uh what the people want.
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker004:] So I can uh show my uh investigation.
[speaker001:] I think we'll [disfmarker] I think we're going towards the deluxe edition anyway, because that seems to be what the people want.
[speaker004:] Yeah, maybe it's better.
[speaker001:] But let's see what's what they want now.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Especially for young people.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Um where is that [gap]? Where is th
[speaker001:] That's mine.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh. Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] No, you should send it to the f to the folder first.
[speaker004:] Yeah. Mm I forgot that.
[speaker001:] Okay um, let's just assume we go to forty [gap] one.
[speaker004:] Okay, now it must be there. Yeah, here it is. Oh yeah. Okay, uh the investigation turns out that the most appear [disfmarker] [vocalsound] uh people want um um uh look and feel likes is uh uh the s the same as before, but it must be w a little bit fancier than uh the the look of it. Um the second important thing is um the [disfmarker] it must be uh technol technological uh innova vative.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] So that's the LCD screen is perfect, I think, and not uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Speech recognition.
[speaker004:] Yeah, tha that's uh very important. And a third thing is [vocalsound] um [disfmarker] yeah, it's uh should be easy to use, so not not too much bu buttons and uh channel selection. I think that's uh [disfmarker] what you showed is uh perfect. And what the pe young people want [vocalsound] is uh [disfmarker] in Paris and and in Milan uh it showed out that the fruit and vegetables are uh are trendy.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Th they [disfmarker] you s you see it in the clothes and everything. And um the contrast uh of it, it must uh [disfmarker] the the buttons must a little bit spongy material. So uh rubber, I think uh th that's the best.
[speaker003:] Hmm. No. Yeah, uh I agree.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] Then rubber would be the best as a material indeed.
[speaker004:] No.
[speaker001:] I think so.
[speaker004:] So we are uh [disfmarker] we were focussing uh on the younger people.
[speaker002:] If that is the uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Okay, agreement.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] So the elder, yeah, they wanted a little bit of wood in it and uh that's uh th that's not uh important now.
[speaker001:] Okay, so we're definitely going for rubber.
[speaker002:] It could be a c it could be a cover.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But [vocalsound] it's not.
[speaker004:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] Our focus is the young audience.
[speaker001:] Let's just go
[speaker004:] but [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] So let's stick to that.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker004:] 'Cause uh n I I I I thought uh it makes a young uh classic remote with uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Nah, I think we're [disfmarker] in this case you're losing the the focus on the young group,
[speaker004:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] because we're [disfmarker] that's what we're focussing on.
[speaker004:] that's why I I d uh decided [disfmarker] With a fruit uh cover ov or something like that. Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] So I think the spongy feel gives us rubber.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] Yeah, apparently [disfmarker] yeah, maybe also [disfmarker] yeah, I tend to disagree with with uh with a sharp form. I suppose it basi if you're uh saying fruits and vegetables, maybe it's supposed to be a little little more round.
[speaker004:] [gap]. Yeah, in in form of an uh vegetable or an uh fruit, maybe.
[speaker001:] Yeah, for exa maybe like uh like a pear or something.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but that's just more a se a seasonal, a trend thing.
[speaker004:] And [disfmarker] Oh, where is your [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] That's true.
[speaker001:] That's what we're doing.
[speaker002:] The idea now is is is that you can uh put a cover on it, for example, with fruit, like a shape or whatever.
[speaker004:] A trendy [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] I think shape is is important,
[speaker002:] But not [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Here he here you can put a [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] 'cause a n next year it will [disfmarker] it'll be something completely different.
[speaker001:] because they s they really extend.
[speaker003:] Hmm. Oh, that's true.
[speaker002:] And then you have your apple-shaped remote control, which is not trendy anymore. So I think that's more something you can focus [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, but now you have your your [disfmarker] like your Star Trek phaser thing shaped control.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] So I I th the edges are really really sharp.
[speaker002:] Well, you can s
[speaker004:] Uh maybe it [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I'm uh not su
[speaker002:] What you can do is smooth the edges indeed. But that will bring extra c expenses.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] Or maybe just make it [disfmarker] make it up into into a low [disfmarker] a smooth curve instead of just [gap] less sharp twist on the outside.
[speaker004:] But [disfmarker] Yeah. All uh veg uh fruit and vegetables are round.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] So it's better [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] I think I think there needs to be a little [disfmarker] I think it's too too sharp. The edges are too sharp. The bottom is fine of course if it's square.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But maybe just th make uh the top a little [disfmarker] round it off on the sides. So [disfmarker] I mean y
[speaker003:] But I think, according to my information, this would be two curves.
[speaker001:] That would be two curves.
[speaker004:] Two?
[speaker003:] We have one left and one right, and that disables [disfmarker] what was it again?
[speaker004:] But it [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] It's some it's something that we cannot do then.
[speaker001:] One cur you could also make the curve go through of course.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] But that would make make the top round.
[speaker002:] Well we've got we've got like one curve here.
[speaker003:] Okay, that's not a problem.
[speaker002:] For the gap.
[speaker003:] That's only for the titanium. We don't have [gap].
[speaker004:] But it's that [disfmarker] that's for the comfort.
[speaker002:] And we could have one here.
[speaker004:] It's it's not for the trendy thing of it.
[speaker002:] No, no no no no. What I'm just [disfmarker] 'cause you mentioned that more curves the more expensive, so I'm just taking that into account.
[speaker004:] Yeah?
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yes
[speaker004:] Okay, yeah.
[speaker001:] But let's see, titanium would give us only one curve.
[speaker004:] [gap] [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Then w yeah, but we don't have that.
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker] but we're not d we're not using titanium.
[speaker003:] So we have [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] So the [disfmarker] no.
[speaker003:] We have no [gap].
[speaker002:] Well we picked rubber, right?
[speaker001:] Right, we did. So [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] But they uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] We m
[speaker002:] So basically what we can do is m make these edges a little bit less sharp.
[speaker001:] Just doodle something on the board on the left.
[speaker004:] [gap] form.
[speaker002:] But the problem then is that it will start to resemble m the remote controls as we have them today. We were looking at something fresh, something trendy [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Well actually, we're setting ourselves apart from [disfmarker] by technology alone actually.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] So that [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] let's see what you're doing.
[speaker003:] They th these wha are what they call the curves. This side, this side, this is how they count.
[speaker001:] Oh, okay.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] I don't think like that. Not not really the curves on the on the side of the remote.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] No no. This is what they uh what they mean.
[speaker002:] Okay,
[speaker003:] Okay, that's not really a good [gap].
[speaker002:] so that's basically silly.
[speaker001:] Okay, now I uh [disfmarker] of course now I understand why they have more uh like um [disfmarker] Why the curves [vocalsound] um decrease the the um [vocalsound] the size the electronics that can be inside. So [disfmarker] Okay. I don't think the outside would be called as a curve really.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] It's like this.
[speaker001:] I think it's for all the basic [disfmarker] well, looking from the side anyway. Well, if you see what [disfmarker] I have to come up with some designs fast anyway. So [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] But you can make uh [disfmarker] if you want to use a fruit in uh in uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] But isn't the f the fruit like a cover thing,
[speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] because we [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Well, you shouldn't focus on the [disfmarker] mostly on the covers,
[speaker004:] Hey, you [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] because lot of things we came up with, shouldn't be too [disfmarker] really too much [disfmarker] shouldn't be too focussed on the covers
[speaker004:] You can make it like [disfmarker] Like this.
[speaker001:] because it's kind of an idea of our own,
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker002:] No, but [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] but we're not sure if we can actually make that.
[speaker002:] But if we put that directly into the design, we limit ourselves extremely. Because it [disfmarker] that's just for one seasonal trend.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] That's the one thing I'm also afraid of with this one
[speaker004:] Well [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] because it [disfmarker] the edges are really um [disfmarker] they might stick out on the on the side for example.
[speaker004:] Oh. As a example.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker004:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] If you have a basic design, a little m a little smaller on the on the s on the edges, you could put more covers on it, y one one with square or um sharp corners if you want to.
[speaker004:] I d
[speaker002:] Okay, so that's [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] well, that's probabl
[speaker001:] M just round it off a little, I guess, because [disfmarker] so we have more options I suppose.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker002:] [gap], you'd just like it to go a little bit more like this.
[speaker001:] I think so because it looks leaner and we should just go with that.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Anyway, you have all the time in the world to make to make the final design in a minute with him.
[speaker004:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] So we decided on what what did you guys wanna know again because this is um [disfmarker] anyway, I'll fire up my thing. So [disfmarker] so
[speaker002:] Did you present e everything you wanted to?
[speaker001:] we come to a decision.
[speaker003:] Yep.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker003:] So I can uh qui
[speaker001:] Uh what the [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] oh. I can quickly make a conclusion of what we have decided so far.
[speaker002:] Uh we still need to decide on a couple of things you you needed to know.
[speaker001:] Ah. Yeah. Okay, anyway. Uh energy, we choose regular regular batteries.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] The chip is advanced because we have the advanced features. The case, it will be [disfmarker] the material will be rubber, suppose. Wouldn't the b the design we talked about. Uh user interface, type. [vocalsound] Well I think we took all the components separately what we want. Um let's see um supplements. I'm not sure what they mean by that. Anyway, um apparently you guys, you should work together on the final design, both on internal and external design. So [disfmarker] Yeah, you should you should probably find out how the product will fall into the market, how uh [disfmarker] what's gonna happen with the final design as we have it now.
[speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah [gap] [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yeah, of course you've got your specific instruction as usual. So [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Wanna spend some more [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] um I think we're in a [disfmarker] pretty much in agreement actually, which is good.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Are we all in agreement about the, well, the primary structure of the [disfmarker] of my design? Except for the edges. Like the keys there.
[speaker001:] Lef let's see, where the pen go? Here. Yeah uh open your thing again. Let's see what [disfmarker] if you can come up with anything new. Um I'll just do a next one. So what would give us your ne your design would be [disfmarker] the lights would be on top, right? Uh one on each one on each side.
[speaker002:] Yeah. To create a kind of disco effect when you [disfmarker] That was basically what w
[speaker001:] Is it is it the lights for for [vocalsound] finding the [disfmarker] finding remote
[speaker002:] [gap] [disfmarker] Light for the finding of the remote.
[speaker001:] or lights that it [disfmarker] that [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] We can also use one light for showing that the signal is being sent.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think that should just be a simple LED or something. Like [disfmarker] [vocalsound] that that's not that important of course. It just [gap] like a matter of a [disfmarker] [vocalsound] [transformerror] a beep if you pre that you just know that that there's context. So I don't think that's super important. But [disfmarker] Hmm. [vocalsound] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] So we have the teletext we have here, we have the mute.
[speaker001:] Uh sh Oh.
[speaker002:] LCD screen. This is the on off button.
[speaker004:] And speech w recognition. Are we [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Speech recognition, I [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] We [disfmarker] Little uh voice uh [disfmarker] Record and a uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] where did I imagine. I did that pretty much over here, so that you could use it like this and speak to it.
[speaker004:] no.
[speaker002:] Then you have the uh extra keys for teletext, mute, two buttons which can be pretty much anything or nothing. We can also just not use them.
[speaker001:] Let's see, I'll just make [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Main controls and a key-pad.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] One light here. And just make it red now. But it could be any colour. So [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Will be fine.
[speaker001:] Okay, whatever. Fine, anyway. What do we have here? M I'll make it [disfmarker] um are we gonna use square buttons or round ones actually? Personally I would prefer round ones.
[speaker003:] Me too.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but that would [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Form of fruit.
[speaker002:] this was just in the design.
[speaker004:] It's better.
[speaker002:] Because if you [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] I had a square design.
[speaker001:] for [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] So I had square buttons.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] But in that case the round buttons would be more appropriate.
[speaker001:] Okay, I assume it for [disfmarker] so we take a r take a round power button right here. [vocalsound] Whatever. Uh back to black. Uh not too big though. See this would be good. Um let's see. Are these for any extra controls?
[speaker002:] Yeah. The left one is teletext
[speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] and the right one is mute. And these two buttons are [disfmarker] or not necessary or [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] If we go for for round buttons in general, do we want to [disfmarker] the menu key in the middle to be round? For example, if you [disfmarker] let's see, put it [disfmarker] this here. I think we'll go with the triangles that [disfmarker] Come on.
[speaker002:] Yeah, the triangles would be best indeed.
[speaker001:] Triangles are good. Yeah, they're a little too big now. But [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Anyway, okay. So do you want for example a round button in the middle or square one?
[speaker002:] I personally think that a round b button looks bit silly,
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker002:] but [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I'm not sure uh,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I just just came up with it. This aligns nicely. So [disfmarker] Okay. We'll just take the take the round button, suppose. Uh oh the square button, sorry.
[speaker002:] Does everybody agree on that?
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yep.
[speaker001:] I suppose so.
[speaker003:] I would prefer round. But doesn't matter, doesn't matter.
[speaker002:] You prefer a round? Okay.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] That's not a big deal, think.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] So there's our numbers. Think we need an extra button here of course for [disfmarker] yeah, like you had for the higher numbers. And you could include a button here for the mute, I suppose. For something else, just to mirror mirror the effect with this.
[speaker002:] Yeah, you can.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] But it but it's not necessary, becau
[speaker001:] That's not necessary because it [disfmarker] you can take this away, but there [disfmarker] it looks like there's a hole there, just to mirror the effect. Okay, so we have a few [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] We could put our logo there. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Nah, I think it it would be nice to put the logo here, for example, if you have some buttons here. We could put a logo here because it's very [disfmarker] always in your field of vision. If you're watching it, the LCD screen, blah blah.
[speaker004:] And what about [disfmarker] Oh. What about a button for your uh favourite channel?
[speaker002:] Oh that could be that b
[speaker001:] Well we could we could include either here or here, for example.
[speaker004:] Uh yeah. With the extra controls. Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] But you think here or here?
[speaker002:] Well
[speaker004:] Uh one one set [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] now it's getting a little bit too crowded up there.
[speaker001:] I know.
[speaker002:] So [disfmarker] Is your [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah, you have to put it up uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] So it can basically be the button down below or one of the four buttons up there.
[speaker001:] No, we could put this one as favourite channel for exam
[speaker002:] Because [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] One of the four. Uh, it's better than, I think.
[speaker001:] What are these for?
[speaker002:] One of the four is better, I suppose.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] It's a favourite channel.
[speaker001:] What?
[speaker004:] What? Nee, uh one of the four uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Because it's a little bit confusing to have twelve buttons down there,
[speaker004:] It's better th
[speaker002:] because you're only accustomed to eleven, I'd say.
[speaker001:] You're accustomed to eleven?
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] My uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [gap]
[speaker001:] okay, have it your way. I mean, think this looks rather like like there's something missing for example.
[speaker002:] Oh, we still need an okay button.
[speaker001:] I mean why wouldn't you include a [disfmarker] 'cause there is a um a piece of electronics under there anyway. So why not give it a function.
[speaker003:] Hmm. Hmm.
[speaker001:] Let's say I mean could be anything.
[speaker002:] Well, you could also shift the two buttons to be nicely aligned.
[speaker001:] But [gap] th No, I don't think [disfmarker] because this is a zero. But you want zero to be mis-aligned with the rest.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Anyway, so this is the basic design, we wanna have um on and off [disfmarker] what are we missing?
[speaker002:] Oh,
[speaker001:] If it looks um [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] we're pretty much missing an okay button, but we have a button up there which is still free.
[speaker001:] Okay, so we want the remote to be the s the side view actually,
[speaker002:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] what I'm gonna draw. So [disfmarker] Um probably think you want the curve to be here.
[speaker002:] Yeah, pretty much.
[speaker001:] Just gonna be sh
[speaker004:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Want this straight or what? Let's keep it at this. So it would be like this. Do we want something interesting with it or [disfmarker] see. Would give us a light here. Maybe it's boring. You want it curved or what? Maybe you want [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Well, I think it looks better curved.
[speaker001:] Should like this?
[speaker002:] But that's probably uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Will give us design problem
[speaker004:] Mm.
[speaker003:] Huh.
[speaker001:] because we have [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] It can be curved.
[speaker004:] Why?
[speaker002:] It can be curved, because that [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yes.
[speaker002:] yeah, it's a little bit more trendy to be curved.
[speaker001:] It can be curved. Okay? I think so. That's why I asked you. Okay. So [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] I would curve the whole actually.
[speaker002:] Hmm?
[speaker003:] I would curve the whole. Like um [disfmarker] like it hangs over your hand a little bit.
[speaker001:] Oh crap.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Then it will bounce and you don't drop it so easily.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Oh. Anyway, so you want to [disfmarker] a little more like this?
[speaker003:] Yeah, something like that, yes.
[speaker004:] Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] And just s s
[speaker003:] Yes, exactly.
[speaker001:] Stop the curve here or continue it [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] I think continue like that.
[speaker004:] Yep.
[speaker003:] Then there's also enough room for the electronics.
[speaker001:] So we have our LCD screen. Let's see.
[speaker002:] But it pretty much looks like a banana already. [vocalsound] Uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] In [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Let's make it yellow then. Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Perfect. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Bana it's banana vision.
[speaker002:] It's fruit. [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah, it's perfect.
[speaker001:] So you have your LCD screen right here, suppose. [vocalsound] Um that would make [disfmarker] We use the colours now. But [disfmarker] Um [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Maybe once we can make a special edition in according with Chiquita.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Have ourselves sponsored.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] You got sponsor, now you get a free one with every pack of Chiquita.
[speaker003:] Uh but it's a good trade-off for them if they can have their logo on it.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] So it would give the buttons here.
[speaker002:] Or they can design their own cover.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm. They might wanna be the first ones to uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] We could set up a a marketing uh agreement.
[speaker001:] I suppose I suppose we can put
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] um [disfmarker] let's see. Um [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Oh, perhaps they can use it. Or give a special edition uh with with [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Uh I suppose we can put the batteries in here because it has the most space, for example.
[speaker002:] Won't that be a problem with the LCD screen?
[speaker001:] I don't think so because it's the biggest part of the [disfmarker] uh of the uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but the LCD screen probably needs [vocalsound] quite the chip.
[speaker001:] Let's [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] I think this is possible.
[speaker001:] I think it's possible.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker001:] I think it's the best place [disfmarker] yeah, you could also put 'em here.
[speaker003:] Huh.
[speaker001:] But [vocalsound] [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] It doesn't matter. You can actually uh place a chip for the LCD screen and [disfmarker] at the bottom, and and wire it. Doesn't matter.
[speaker001:] Okay,
[speaker002:] Okay, that's not a problem. Okay.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] so we put the batteries here. [vocalsound] [vocalsound] That's fine. Yep. Blah.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think we get the idea.
[speaker001:] Um, any other com what what are we missing here? Something [disfmarker] a speech recognition. Um where do we want the microphone, for example, to be? On the side or on the [disfmarker] or, for example, on top? Like here.
[speaker004:] Top?
[speaker002:] Oh, basically
[speaker004:] W On there.
[speaker002:] the idea that I had was it to be pretty much in combination with the transmitter.
[speaker003:] I think on top.
[speaker001:] To be [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] 'Cause you can talk to it like this.
[speaker001:] Okay, I w thought maybe it's either be here or [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] No.
[speaker001:] because it's mi it might interfere with the transmitter, I'm not sure. But [disfmarker] 'Cause transmitter would be here.
[speaker002:] Well, the email said it was a quite a small component. So I don't see that.
[speaker001:] Why uh [disfmarker] once again, like you said, the component can be somewhere at the bottom while we wire the microphone up there. Anyway. [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] yeah, it could be [disfmarker] either be here or make a double microphone.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] I wouldn't mind.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [gap].
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] It is, I believe, also able to talk.
[speaker001:] It's able to talk to you.
[speaker002:] It's a [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] I have a sample uh sample sensor and the speaker sensor.
[speaker001:] A speaker sensor.
[speaker003:] Uh the speaker sensor we already have, but s I don't know what they exactly mean by a sample sensor. Could it talk back? Like uh g uh give confirmation or something. I think it can. I think if you have a a speech recognition component, then a s speaking component is not that hard to to put in either.
[speaker002:] Well, the [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I think so, it [disfmarker] I think it could. Yeah.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] I mean it could be a [disfmarker] all this stuff could be integrated into the LCD screen, which you could navigate with this, I suppose. Navigate through everything.
[speaker003:] Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. But [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] If you have [disfmarker] I think you sh I think the advanced options should be [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah, but do you actually need the remote talking back?
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Yeah.
[speaker001:] I think it sh the advanced option could also be integrated in the LCD screen, of course, because you don't have to have a button for everything. You can just navigate through th m your menu that you have here for advanced options with this.
[speaker003:] Hmm. Hmm.
[speaker004:] [gap].
[speaker001:] Think that would be fine.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] So that's w m would be making use of the LCD screen.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker003:] We already have a sound component, by the way, for the beep. So [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Beep.
[speaker003:] beep.
[speaker002:] Beep.
[speaker004:] Beep.
[speaker001:] Um, so the flashing of the beep, we have well anything. We could [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Yeah, but you could put a speaker or something [gap] on on the side for example.
[speaker002:] At the back, yeah. Like that. Or at the side.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] For [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Which is [gap].
[speaker001:] how do you draw that again? [vocalsound] Uh whatever, looks stupid.
[speaker002:] So what's basically edi the editi idea, sorry, now?
[speaker001:] I think this is pretty [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] We need to stay here and work out that. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] I'm not sure.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think you have to stay here
[speaker004:] Oh.
[speaker003:] I should be getting new information, I guess.
[speaker001:] because we are supposed to [disfmarker] five minutes to finish the meeting. Oh, like my [disfmarker] the info that I got was that you're [disfmarker] uh we're gonna work on our own because you're gonna do the market market uh analysing [gap] [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yep.
[speaker001:] I'm supposed to do the little work on the year-end report. So [disfmarker] the project report.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Hmm. Okay, I think we're [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Well, I suppose we'll [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] everybody satisfied with the with the current design we have?
[speaker003:] Yes.
[speaker001:] So we're s supposed to be rubber.
[speaker004:] Ah, that's fine.
[speaker002:] Pretty much.
[speaker001:] I think [disfmarker] well, I think the the remote control is gonna be black
[speaker004:] Round.
[speaker001:] because we we forgot to talk about [disfmarker] I mean the the company colours are important apparently.
[speaker004:] Wh Why?
[speaker001:] So we have the logo up there.
[speaker003:] But we have any company logo.
[speaker001:] So are we gonna [disfmarker] base colour is black?
[speaker003:] We have [disfmarker] yes, but [disfmarker] and yellow.
[speaker001:] And yeah, of course we could use yellow buttons or yellow navigation or whatever.
[speaker003:] I would change I would take a yellow remote control.
[speaker001:] Yellow but yellow control. It's [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] To have it flashy, to have it [disfmarker] it's for young people.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but when you use covers, it basically easier to have a n have a neutral colour on the base.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Need do be different.
[speaker004:] It's the colour of a [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Well, don't don't stick yourself on the covers right now. But don't stick yourself on the cover because [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker002:] No, we're designing the remote control now, but taking that into consideration, it's better to have a neutral base colour than to have a flashy [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] But we need to be different.
[speaker001:] Nah. Yeah, but the info. I think we should go with uh with the company colour
[speaker004:] But, the you
[speaker001:] because what specific info that I got from the project board.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] So I think we should go with that.
[speaker004:] The young people want uh a trendy uh remote control.
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker001:] They want something trendy.
[speaker004:] So colourful uh is [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Huh. It's either black cover with yellow buttons or vice versa. And I would say take a yellow cover and black buttons.
[speaker002:] It is more trendy. That's definitely true.
[speaker001:] I think we should [disfmarker] th
[speaker003:] To be different.
[speaker001:] then take it [disfmarker] take yellow. Take what you c yellow remote control.
[speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] So let's see if if we can do the LED onto it. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] You have the basic colours, blue, green, red.
[speaker001:] Uh oh [gap].
[speaker003:] Yeah, we have so many colours already. So [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] You know what?
[speaker004:] Oh, it's okay.
[speaker001:] I'm not gonna do this.
[speaker003:] Oh no, that [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] That's up to you guys.
[speaker003:] I think it's good thing to be different than [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] You doodle a [disfmarker] doodle us a nice nice design for for the next meeting,
[speaker004:] Colourful, you you [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Well [disfmarker] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] we'll be done. I think we're all happy now.
[speaker004:] Yep.
[speaker003:] I still don't have my scroll-wheel though. [vocalsound] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Stupid scroll-wheel.
[speaker003:] Uh that's [gap] [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Oh, where would you like to put it? [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Nah, that's true.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] 'Kay I'm not sure uh [disfmarker] I really, I'm no I have no clue what we could use the scroll-wheel for.
[speaker002:] Uh you could use it for the channels and for the volume.
[speaker003:] No, forget it.
[speaker004:] Oh yeah.
[speaker002:] But it's [disfmarker] has no real added value.
[speaker003:] No look,
[speaker004:] You can [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] it [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] It takes space, a lot of space.
[speaker003:] No, that's not my point.
[speaker001:] And it could [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] It's not because it's functional, but it's just to add to the design, to have it flashy.
[speaker004:] Ah
[speaker003:] It it has no function, I agree. I agree.
[speaker004:] may
[speaker002:] Yeah, but if it has no function,
[speaker001:] I'm not sure
[speaker002:] then [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] if it [disfmarker] if it has no function, why even put it there?
[speaker003:] Oh, so many things have no function, just design.
[speaker001:] And th that's just so much things that make it look flash
[speaker004:] But uh uh scroll for a channel s selection or volume [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Hmm.
[speaker001:] I think channel selection would be annoying
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Ma
[speaker001:] because it just c you could scroll past the channel
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] or [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Let's vote on it.
[speaker004:] Oh okay.
[speaker003:] Then we don't have to talk about it any longer.
[speaker001:] Hmm.
[speaker004:] Oh okay.
[speaker003:] What do you want? In or out?
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Basically out. I don't see the [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Okay. You are out of course.
[speaker001:] [gap].
[speaker003:] You are [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Out.
[speaker003:] okay, clear.
[speaker001:] No r no scroll-wheel. Okay. Um
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] I don't see anything missing really. [vocalsound] Yeah,
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Do you have all your answers?
[speaker001:] we should [disfmarker] too bad we don't have the finance.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] I have all my answers, yes.
[speaker001:] We could've [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it's [disfmarker] I'm not sure if we're if we're gonna get finance anyway because I thought we cou I thought it was gonna be an issue at the first time we started.
[speaker004:] I have to call this in a form.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] I thought it was gonna be a cost issue which material we were gonna take relative to the advanced chips or anything.
[speaker003:] Hmm. Hmm. There is [disfmarker] I have one question.
[speaker001:] So you just do whatever you like
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] and uh doesn't care what it costs.
[speaker003:] Hmm. I only have one question with the material, but I don't have information that. We've chosen rubber.
[speaker001:] I think we're [disfmarker] rubber is not expensive. Definitely.
[speaker003:] No, but can we make yellow rubber? I think so
[speaker001:] You can make rubber in any colour. In any colour.
[speaker002:] Yes, you can colour rubber, yeah.
[speaker004:] Ah.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker] I mean you can't make yellow titanium, but you can make yellow rubber.
[speaker004:] But we ha w
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker004:] we don't uh use our reco uh we uh [disfmarker] removable cover?
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Uh yeah
[speaker004:] No,
[speaker001:] we can make uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] huh?
[speaker001:] for example it's just something you can click on it like uh [disfmarker] that's [disfmarker] but it's not som not [disfmarker] apparently that's not something we're working with in the basic design.
[speaker004:] Maybe maybe later,
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker].
[speaker004:] maybe we can uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it could be. It can be done, for e