[speaker001:] So
[speaker004:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I hope you're ready for this uh functional design meeting.
[speaker004:] Of course. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Um so I will take the minutes you mm you three are going to do presentation. Um uh we want to know [disfmarker] to [disfmarker] at the end to know the new project's requirement so we need uh to know the the user uh needs that we want to fulfil to fulfil the [disfmarker] from the technical part we want to know how it going to work and um
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] third part [vocalsound] uh I don't remember [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] which is not very good. Ah of course, how to to design this uh this [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Nice stuff [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] yeah. So um let's go for the three presentations, so first um Marketing Expert.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Who starts? [vocalsound] Oh. Ha. okay.
[speaker001:] So wait a minute. Mm.
[speaker004:] So I dunno if I can do that like this? Yeah? So it's being modified. Do you want [disfmarker] yeah, open. Read only. I hope I saved it. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] So, um
[speaker002:] Sammy Benjo. I know this name uh.
[speaker004:] yeah, this is my name. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Sounds uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] We met before.
[speaker004:] So as you know, you [disfmarker] I think you already know me, Sammy Benjo. I am the expert in marketing and I want to tell you about what people uh s want and uh like and dislike in remote controls, and I hope this is going to help you to to design it correctly. So next please. Uh-oh. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Mm [vocalsound] uh.
[speaker003:] Yeah, it is put F five [gap].
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Hmm.
[speaker003:] The full page presentation,
[speaker004:] Yeah maybe in the full page
[speaker003:] yep.
[speaker004:] because i I spent lots of time doing this presentation, so.
[speaker002:] F F five.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yep.
[speaker001:] F five.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Uh-huh hmm okay.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm.
[speaker004:] So basically uh what I suggest is that uh instead of deciding ourself what what could be and what should be a good uh remote control, let's ask people who are users of remote controls how they feel about w the current remote controls, what they like, what they don't like and um and what they do with them by the way [vocalsound] because they are supposed to be useful. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Don't forget about that. So we've we've conducted a a survey on on the use of uh remote controls and I'd like to show you some of the results we found on this survey. And next please. Yeah, so basically what we found was that uh there are several things that the user don't like in remote controls. First of all, they find it very ugly. [vocalsound] Current remote controls as you know they're the same as this one uh they're not nice colour, not nice shape, I mean they're all the same, and they're not l good looking. Um what is interesting is that in fact it seems that they were [disfmarker] people are ready to pay for nice and look [disfmarker] and fancy looking uh remote control, so I think we should probably spend lots of time in [disfmarker] and effort in that um. And the other thing is that uh the the current remote controls are not so easy to use and it it [disfmarker] the the current uh facilities that they offer do not match what people really want to use their remote controls. For instance uh we see that uh they zap very often so I think this is a very uh important uh functionality that it should be easy for them to to zap uh in one way or another. And most of the buttons uh on uh current remote controls are not used, so I think we should design something where some of the buttons which are those that are used should be easier to see and use than others that only a couple of people are using. Um next please. [vocalsound] Now [vocalsound] people are very frustrated w with their [vocalsound] remote controls
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] and they for instance uh they don't even find it [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] it's [vocalsound] it's often lost somewhere in the in the [disfmarker] in your home and nobody knows where it is.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Maybe if we have something where we could [vocalsound] ask the remote control please, where are you?
[speaker002:] Agree.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Like uh something to to [disfmarker] like t I think phones. Some of the phones have some of this kind of s functionality. Uh of course phone you can always phone your phone but [vocalsound] you can't phone your [vocalsound] your remote control.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] You can [disfmarker] you are [gap].
[speaker001:] Why not? [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] But why not? Yeah.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] And because of the fact that there are so many buttons in these remote controls that nobody use, in fact they don't even know how to use them,
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker004:] so most of the the people say they they don't know how to [disfmarker] they [disfmarker] to use properly their r remote controls. And uh they are bad for RSI but uh I don't remember what is RSI.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay uh tha that's look great.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] So I think they are bad. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] RSI mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Mm nobody has any idea about that? Well I'll check uh with my
[speaker003:] Yeah, it's electromagnetic waves or something kind of maybe uh effect.
[speaker004:] Oh, okay,
[speaker002:] No, I don't think so.
[speaker004:] I think it's a technical thing which our [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah, because infrared uses some electromagnetic technology,
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker003:] and those waves have high [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] So, it seems that [vocalsound] it's a lot of people for a concept that we don't know [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] But twenty six percent, do you know [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Or something we don't know. [vocalsound] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker002:] Twenty five. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] but we have to take this into account.
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker002:] Every fourth, you know. [vocalsound] Every four [disfmarker] some of us knows.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah it's [disfmarker] People really [vocalsound] [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker004:] So anyway
[speaker002:] One of us [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] that's for what the biggest frustration uh of the user and um
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker004:] what else do I have? Next slide? Ah yeah.
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] So we've listed a couple of uh
[speaker002:] Functions.
[speaker004:] s uh functions that may be uh used by u the user in the current uh available uh remote controls and uh well the tables look very nice to read but what is important is to understand that the power button is not used often because in general you [vocalsound] use it only once per session, but it is very relevant. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] People want to have a power button. Channel selection is uh o often used [disfmarker] very often used and indeed uh very relevant. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Ah [vocalsound] now I remember what is RSI [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] it's repetitivity stress injury. [vocalsound] We have to be careful with that word but [vocalsound] uh anyway
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker004:] I continue my presentation so [disfmarker] yeah, channel selection is um very important, very often used.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Volume is not often used but people uh want to have control on volume and that makes sense of course. And n then you have things which are very much less often used like the settings. Audio settings, screen settings, even teletext and channel settings. All of them. they're not often used and they are s more or less relevant. It seems that people find teletext teletext uh relevant, even if I personally never use it but seems that it's average relevant at least, so.
[speaker001:] I have been told that we uh don't consider teletext, that it's out of date now because of internet.
[speaker004:] I can tell you that uh in a l in a scale between one and ten relevant uh not relevant to relevant people scored a six on this, which is not as uh these these two one were [disfmarker] had I think ten I think.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] But but if you compare with these ones, uh I think they scored a one or two. Not very relevant, so
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker004:] if if there are good reason not to put teletext it's okay but just know that people find it somehow relevant.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] That's for the main functions I think and uh then we can ask uh ourself uh what people don't have that may be useful. For instance I think [disfmarker] net next slide. [vocalsound] One of the thing [disfmarker] the trend uh that uh you are probably aware of is the possibility [disfmarker] the eventual possibility of having speech recognition in your remote control, so you wouldn't have to tap tap in your buttons but just tell your remote control or whatever you need you have what you want. So we've conducted a survey about uh whether people would like or not to have uh this kind of uh functionality in their remote control and as we can see it really depends on the age. Young people, probably because it's a buzz word, find it very relevant. And uh as the age goes up [vocalsound] the [vocalsound] the relevance goes down.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] So now it really depends on the kind of uh targeting uh wha who are we targeting with this remote control? I think if we are targeting young people then uh it's probably something we have to consider.
[speaker003:] 'Cause [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] If we are targeting you very old people this is something they really don't know why they [disfmarker] this should be so now
[speaker001:] Mm-mm. Okay.
[speaker004:] this is of course, depends on that. And um I don't have any conclusion, I didn't have time the meeting was very tight, so that's basically my findings. And uh, if you have any question?
[speaker001:] Mm I think it's good, okay. You done a good review.
[speaker002:] I got one question,
[speaker004:] I can go back.
[speaker003:] Thank you.
[speaker004:] Yeah one question, yeah?
[speaker002:] uh you are a Market Expert so
[speaker004:] I am. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] should we aim at the young people or not?
[speaker004:] I think we should aim at the young people. But uh I think they are [disfmarker] they are those uh who might be more interested in a in a new device.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker004:] In general the the early adopters of a new device are young people, less than [disfmarker] more than [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Okay,
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] then teletext is used less.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Then teletext is useless for them I think,
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker004:] yeah. Because they they have other means of finding their information. Yeah.
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm mm mm. Okay.
[speaker004:] But [disfmarker] yeah. Nope.
[speaker001:] That's good point.
[speaker003:] Mm, yep.
[speaker002:] Mm. Okay.
[speaker004:] 'Kay?
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Thank you.
[speaker001:] So um now I think it's the turn of the the [disfmarker] [vocalsound] I'm not sure um [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Of the technical function, so [vocalsound] uh
[speaker004:] So I think it's you, huh?
[speaker003:] Uh it's
[speaker004:] No? [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's me.
[speaker003:] techni function of [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] what effect [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] No, user requiremen
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Okay. Wait a second.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] I have to do working design so uh
[speaker001:] Argh. So
[speaker002:] That's [disfmarker] but this but number three,
[speaker001:] you're [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] yes. Mm-hmm. So, my name is Mark Dwight, and um I am responsible for User Interface Design.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] However, uh mm Project Manager asked me to give you some presentation about technical functions design. Uh, as I'm a more an artist
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] that's gonna be less technical functions but more User Interface and current intentions and everything which is linked with this.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] So next slide please.
[speaker001:] Okay. Let's go.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] And uh a general method which is [disfmarker] seems to be very useful for our task
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] is not to forget about uh Occam razor. We should never complicate things too much. We should only make a remote control, nothing more. Nothing more than this, just a remote control.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] 'Cause current remote controls they are never easy enough to use.
[speaker004:] Makes sense. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] So, make a click, please. So here is this remote control.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] It's quite a standard one, but it's not from a TV, it's from a much easier device like air conditioning or something. But you know, we can use it for a TV easily. Only buttons we need is on off, volume, channels and maybe some options or something else, and please make a click, compared to this one
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] It's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] which one would you prefer? I guess this.
[speaker003:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker004:] I would say the simplest one as long as there are the uh [disfmarker] I find the buttons that I need every time I need a button.
[speaker002:] Sure, sure.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Maybe it can be yeah middle of [disfmarker] like, between those two
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker003:] li
[speaker002:] and our method is going to be, provide simple
[speaker001:] Oh sorry. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] simple desires into simple actions.
[speaker004:] Nice. Nice sentence.
[speaker002:] Findings.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Okay. Oh sorry.
[speaker002:] Our question of the style, we should remember that our company
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] puts fashion into electronics and we should never forget about it.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Concept.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] S you should [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Be simple. Be simple and you'll lean on this market.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Market is a [disfmarker] of remote controls [disfmarker] you know it better,
[speaker004:] Mm.
[speaker002:] it's very well, it's it's not an easy field to to play, you know? So be simple.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] For personal preferences I think that to make a baby-proof remote control it got to be a titanium.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] It's a really good style, it going to be [disfmarker] look like like this. It is unbreakable and it is very universal. W we'll have a screen with a back light which can change colours,
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] and we can put all the options into this screen. We'll need only few buttons. All the other things can be controlled through the screen. And all these buttons should be easy to find and to click, 'cause when you watch a movie and you want to change something, you always try to find a good button and click it, but you should do it by touching it and finding it easily just by touch. So [disfmarker] Press [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [gap]
[speaker002:] I would propose this concept for design, just few buttons, a screen with a back light which can change colours, titanium
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] I think, and uh what else? I got just very few and good ideas. We need power and volume. And let us include two nice features into this device, first, power on and off can be made fully automatic. When you go to the sofa, take your control and point it to the TV,
[speaker001:] It's off.
[speaker004:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] It's on.
[speaker002:] the TV turns on.
[speaker004:] And when does it turn off?
[speaker002:] When you don't touch the control but you go out of the [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Oh
[speaker002:] For for enough time
[speaker004:] so you have a
[speaker002:] like uh you [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] sensing [disfmarker] sensor machine that uh knows [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] It's a question to our technical design, our [vocalsound] two engineers.
[speaker003:] [gap] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Tech [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] And another nice feature that I would like to implement is uh volume control. Suppose you set u you set up some volume and then you move out or you move to the other corner of the room and take your control with you. Like, you want to to change the chair or you want to move to the armchair from the sofa or something, and then the volume changes.
[speaker001:] Or you want to go to the kitchen. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] It's easy to do, you just control the [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] According to your distance to [disfmarker] and the angle maybe, if you have a stereo system.
[speaker003:] Distance.
[speaker002:] According to the distance. [gap] Yeah yeah yeah.
[speaker004:] Uh I'm not sure about the screen,
[speaker002:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] wha what is the use usefulness of the screen? Uh is it a touch screen by the way?
[speaker002:] I think it can be just a menu which can be controlled with a left, right, up, down and enter.
[speaker004:] So it gives instructions
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] but uh it has to be with an back light somehow. [gap]
[speaker002:] So, its main purpose in fact is a back light,
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker002:] which change colours, which makes it easier to find, and each can [disfmarker] it can respond for your voice, like it can turn on the light for you just to f find it easily, yeah?
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] So basically that's it.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um I see that you target uh several s application not only TV but i like we talk about um universal uh remote control.
[speaker002:] Can be easily done,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] 'cause you got simple designs, y we should put it to simple actions.
[speaker001:] Hmm.
[speaker002:] Let it be universal, so you want to use it for your hi-fi system. You want to change tracks and you want to adjust volume.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Just few actions, a few actions for everything.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] Hmm. S
[speaker002:] All the rest, we sh we'll put it into this menu on the screen.
[speaker001:] Mm. Since we were targeting a really soon uh uh date for the the the um i issuing of this uh remote control I think we will only concentrate on TV for the moment
[speaker003:] Mm. Yeah and it [disfmarker] mm.
[speaker001:] and then maybe m make it more generalised [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker002:] Okay, okay. Okay, but it's quite universal you know.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] We can just extend it to any device.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker004:] So for instance if I want to go to [disfmarker] directly to channel twenty five, how would I do [disfmarker] can I do that with this?
[speaker002:] Uh twenty five.
[speaker004:] Yeah mm let's say I am uh on channel eight now. You know these days we have hundreds of channels, that's not so easy to go just next next next when you have hundreds of channels.
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] In fact I would propose another solution.
[speaker004:] Or is it?
[speaker002:] Basically you use just four or five channels,
[speaker004:] Most people [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] right?
[speaker004:] yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah. So uh set up your TV set like channels that you use they're one, two, three and five, and you will never have to go to a twenty fives channel.
[speaker004:] In fact in in one uh remote control that I've seen, instead of doing that d you could just say these are the cha ch channel three, twenty eight, forty eight and uh sixty four are those that I want to by cycled with my next button.
[speaker001:] Yeah it's it's the same solution, I think. Hmm.
[speaker004:] I uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] B yeah.
[speaker003:] But even we can have some uh LCD display, like you can uh de you can just button the number
[speaker004:] Go to channel twenty five.
[speaker003:] and then it go
[speaker004:] One thing is that as I said in my presentation people really do like to z zap.
[speaker003:] t because [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] So even if they are only watching four or five channels, I think they want to zap out of the one hundred channels,
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] But still [disfmarker] Yeah.
[speaker004:] just because this is one kind of thing they do, zapping.
[speaker001:] Yeah uh on zap it's only next next next next next, yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] And it's only next.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah so [disfmarker] but you have to [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Mm. We got these buttons here. Next next.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Yeah..
[speaker002:] Or say this can be back.
[speaker003:] Yeah. But otherwise like we can put some display on numbers and then they can just press [disfmarker] suppose two five they just press two and five
[speaker004:] So it would be [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] and then [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Maybe we can make uh different modes for each button and you can change mode [disfmarker] zapping mode or
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Alright.
[speaker001:] uh current chan
[speaker003:] Yeah, yeah. Yeah
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Listening more.
[speaker003:] but since we are focusing only on TV remote controls
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] so we can have more functions for TV
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] uh if you want to go for a universal then we ought to limit for functions for each of our devices.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] Could we carry out some research if we w really need this, like how many people really need to go to channel number twenty five and then to sixty four?
[speaker004:] Well I could could uh have a look at that [vocalsound] maybe.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] I'll check in my department if there's someone specialist in that. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker004:] Although I don't know. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Alright? Thanks for your attention.
[speaker001:] Uh you're finish? Okay. So now [vocalsound] the technical aspects of this new device. Mm.
[speaker003:] Two. Yeah, if [disfmarker] [gap] Sorry.
[speaker001:] You prefer it [gap]. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah. Uh as you know, I am mister Ramaro. I am an expert in uh industrial design of all electronic devices and I previously devised many uh [disfmarker] like digital calculators and electronic calculators. [vocalsound] So now I'll briefly describe the working design of our remote control. Well, as you know the basic function of remote control is sending some message to the the device, like TV or VCR or DVD player etcetera. So we will have a p portable device which will send message to the the main device like TV. So we need to have some energy source to do what [disfmarker] to do the functions, what we want on this portable device. [vocalsound] And usually this [disfmarker] so to do these functions we need an interface, which basically some kind of pressing buttons or keys or like moving jack or something like that. And then these messages [disfmarker] these key buttons can be transferred into some kind of message and then it will process by the chip and then it will generate some information to the main device. It's generally in the form of infrared or some kind of s sensor information. Then we will have the main control in the main device to do the particular action what we want. So, basically we need uh since we are focusing on our interface device [gap] remote control mainly the energy source like the battery and then we have user interface like uh the keypad and you know buttons we want, and then we have some chip, it's mainly digital signal processing chip because since we are [disfmarker] I am one doing mostly digital uh devices we ought to have some kind of processor which take care of all these functions and put it in some digital format. And then we'll have the infrared LED source which sends the information to the main device. Then we'll have switch in our main uh um device to do particular operations, and we ought to do different codes for different TVs, so some TVs will have different encryption codes for doing s s uh channel changing and these things.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. To make it quite uh an universal uh device uh.
[speaker003:] Yeah yeah, because the people don't use one particular brand so
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker003:] or at least we have more more than five brands, which are really good.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] So we need to check their specifications and do their uh encryption that's passing information to the TV device. So we need to have particular encryption codes.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Then, components, so we have the main uh energy source and then we will have some buttons and then we will have infrared uh source and then we have some inside some chip in in the device. Uh since I don't have much time so I'll input the connections to all this components. And since I also want to know feedback from our Marketing Expert and User Interface,
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] so if you want to add some more components we can incorporate them.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. And from from the discussion we had do you [disfmarker] can you make it on the whiteboard, or [disfmarker] mm.
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure, because since our User Interface [gap] speech recognition and also Marketing Expert for the speech recognition is really handy,
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] so we can have another, like uh s simple speech recogniser on our DSB chip.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker003:] Since we have some kind of uh energy this is our this normal battery, so this battery, once you s switch on it will take power and we can have some speech recognition and in our g generally small digital signal processing chip so that and we will put uh the small uh simple speech recogniser and we can also train the speech recogniser for particular user
[speaker001:] On [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] so you just [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Uh train it, okay.
[speaker003:] yeah,
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] so that we just use simple recog
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Too complex.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] no
[speaker004:] But uh very very good to sell. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] but but [disfmarker] Yeah. No, even in [disfmarker] you can find even simple mobile device like any mobile brand you can have these voice dialers or these things, yeah.
[speaker004:] Think of a all these young people who would love to say that this remote control only works for them,
[speaker002:] Okay. Okay.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] and ha ha you cannot use my remote control, because it's targeted to me. Whatever. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And what about the price of this component?
[speaker003:] So [disfmarker] Uh maybe we can make uh it in five Euros and even less than that,
[speaker001:] It mm [disfmarker] okay.
[speaker004:] Hmm. Cheap.
[speaker003:] because we want to have uh millions and in bulk,
[speaker004:] Millions. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Mm. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] so we can make really simp
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] and we want to make really simple device
[speaker004:] Cheap.
[speaker003:] because we have only very few words like like power, switch on or some like
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] then we'll have something like this um we'll have volume and then we will have s particular channel, so users can listen.
[speaker004:] The user uh will just be able to say uh please can you uh pump up the vo pump up the volume
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] or or it will be something like volume, up, down.
[speaker003:] Ye No, yeah, a user can use any kind of sender but they should have this prompt [gap] volume and then [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] With a keywords and [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker003:] yeah volume and decrease or increase, so we try to only recognise those words
[speaker004:] Okay. Couple of words.
[speaker003:] and and because we can't really say user to say same wording
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm mm.
[speaker003:] then it become more mechanical and [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Um.
[speaker003:] And then we can have channel they can say, okay I want eight, because we don't know like users have different programmes, I mean they don't really follow same channels strict uh so we just want channel number,
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay. [gap] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker003:] we don't want like BBC or CNN or something else
[speaker004:] Of course uh it has to be [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] because it will be complicated so we'll have only these three uh main basic uh anyway volume is not really speech recognition problem,
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker003:] it's it it will be take care of our main [disfmarker] mm.
[speaker002:] No you know it's a conceptual question, 'cause now I see th this [disfmarker] the picture in front of my eyes like a user taking his remote control and shouting into it, volume up, volume up,
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] But then I think you you [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] and and he's coming [disfmarker] you know, he's really annoyed with this, down, up, down. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] First of all I I think this is not uh functionality that it is going to be instead of using the buttons.
[speaker001:] No, in no not only speech, yeah.
[speaker004:] It's on top of using the button.
[speaker002:] Okay,
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] I it's an option.
[speaker002:] for this budget like twelve Euros.
[speaker004:] Well, I dunno. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah actually we we can have one switch to like uh switch on, on and off, this [gap] processor and [disfmarker] This really [gap], suppose like here we have our main chip which controls power, volume and this part and this DSPs.
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] Again, this to have some interaction like suppose people use DSP then it particularly sends some information to the chip like in some form, like volume and [gap] like this key. So it may not be like very expensive,
[speaker002:] Okay..
[speaker003:] because since we are only focusing on TV remote control
[speaker004:] TV.
[speaker003:] so [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] and we have only few things here [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Sho to to train, okay.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Did you consider the r gest uh gesture recognition?
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Like, if I want to put volume up I like do [disfmarker] mm I take my remote control do like [disfmarker] something like
[speaker003:] Um uh uh this point we didn't consider
[speaker002:] roll 'em up or roll 'em down.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Very expensive,
[speaker003:] because it's it's very expensive
[speaker004:] no?
[speaker003:] because v our target is only like twelve point five Euros
[speaker001:] And well, what about the idea of automatic on off on the button, yeah.
[speaker002:] Mm why?
[speaker003:] and [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] That's just [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] And volume control.
[speaker003:] Yeah, even automatic on off is also a bit problematic, because it [disfmarker] different criteria for different people like so suppose people are really uh they just uh they don't touch the remote and mm y you don't know how much time you need to switch on or switch off
[speaker004:] So but uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] and [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Sh should we target a a user personalised uh uh remote control? So in in a given room there might be more than one remote control. We would uh have each one and uh with our own personal uh settings.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yay yeah. Yeah that can be possible, especially for power settings, so user can say okay, suppose they're watching a tennis match or something then they can say okay uh after one hour I [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Wouldn't that make uh [vocalsound] arguments?
[speaker003:] They can make [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, of course.
[speaker001:] I want uh [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Yeah we can have [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] That's no problem, we will sell more. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] And we can increase this [vocalsound] the strength
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] We got a really good Market Expert.
[speaker004:] Yeah exactly.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] y you can buy one with [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Let's send more, let's sell more. Okay.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay. You have mm something else to say? Uh.
[speaker003:] Uh, not very much, like [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker004:] Okay. Thanks.
[speaker001:] Okay,
[speaker003:] Thank you. Yep.
[speaker001:] thanks.
[speaker003:] Thank you.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] So
[speaker003:] Can you just [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker001:] mm
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker001:] mm I think, okay, we're just on time. Um mm mm. So, we're now going to l have the lunch break.
[speaker004:] Mm great. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Then we will work again for thirty minutes individual work, and um [vocalsound] we will uh meet again for the next meeting, and uh in this one want to to be more focused on the individual actions the um [disfmarker] on the components so [vocalsound] uh you will focus on the component concept um
[speaker003:] Yeah yeah.
[speaker001:] uh of course the UID Mark will be uh focused on the user interface concept
[speaker003:] Mark will [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] and uh our m Market Expert Sammy Benjo uh on the trend watching. So [vocalsound] um of course like before specific instruction will be sent to you by your personal personal coach. Well I think that's all. And we have um maybe we have to [disfmarker] we say, only for TV, not teletext?
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Uh I think automatic on off control uh it's not possible.
[speaker003:] Uh it's in current price, yeah.
[speaker004:] Difficult.
[speaker001:] Yeah, maybe in the next uh step if we make it work um.
[speaker003:] Yeah. But speech recogniser can be possible.
[speaker001:] Yeah, implemented. O okay, we can think about that.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] And um do you see something else?
[speaker004:] No.
[speaker002:] Uh, should it be equipped with the uh, with uh speakers?
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Speakers in the remote cont
[speaker002:] Like, you want to find it, you shout
[speaker004:] Oh yeah.
[speaker002:] control,
[speaker001:] Uh yeah that's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] and it answers is I'm here? Or [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] It just beeps. That would be enough.
[speaker002:] Just beeps?
[speaker001:] Or maybe you want to phone him.
[speaker004:] Something very cheap. But that's ex that's expensive. Uh.
[speaker003:] Yeah yeah yeah.
[speaker001:] Since now all [disfmarker] yeah?
[speaker003:] Yeah, especially the power, it really consumes
[speaker001:] Think
[speaker003:] because it should be all the time on
[speaker001:] Uh-huh.
[speaker003:] and [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Well I I heard of devices where you just uh whistle them
[speaker001:] And uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] and and they [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] And it's answered.
[speaker004:] because of the the frequency they they just answer to that.
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker002:] I can't whistle. No, no, I can't.
[speaker004:] You can't whistle. Uh-huh.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Or a clap.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker001:] Clap clap clap it's a good [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] You can clap. Can you?
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Clap is good.
[speaker001:] I I think it's universal.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Tak [vocalsound] Just a [vocalsound] suggestion.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] What about people without hand?
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah I think it's good.
[speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] With only one hand? [vocalsound] [vocalsound] These are not our target people. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Mm uh okay.
[speaker003:] But it's a good feature I guess yeah we need to think about more how to incorporate it.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Okay.
[speaker002:] Just don't interfere with other devices like 'cause like all these people do that their lights are turning on with clapping.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Oh
[speaker003:] Oh.
[speaker004:] that's e that already exists
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker004:] okay okay.
[speaker002:] I got it at my home, like [gap] [vocalsound].
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Oh yeah, you do have.
[speaker002:] Oops.
[speaker004:] Wow. You're trendy. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Ah it's [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm, so [vocalsound] let's to think s so that [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Think about it. Yeah, okay.
[speaker001:] yeah. I think that could be in the component uh concept uh.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] It [disfmarker] yes. [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker004:] Okay. Good we're done?
[speaker001:] So, yeah,
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] let's go to lunch.
[speaker004:] Right, thanks.
[speaker003:] Thank you, thank you very much.
[speaker001:] [gap]