[speaker001:] [vocalsound] So let's start our second me meeting on [vocalsound] conceptual design.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] So, as the previous meeting I will be the secretary
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] and we will have three presentations and we'll have to decide on the remote control concept and finally we'll close the decision. So I will first uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] No y you do the minutes first, or?
[speaker001:] What?
[speaker004:] No?
[speaker001:] I I think I will let uh our User Interface Designer speak first, Mister David Jordan.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Yep.
[speaker001:] So, we'll [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] S technical accessoire?
[speaker003:] No no no.
[speaker001:] Interface?
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] This.
[speaker003:] Mm. So uh first I will present the concept of user interface. Um there's three concepts in the user interface. So first one it's a Google controller. The second is a fancy controller. The last one is uh intelligent controller. So there are three concepts in our controller. Um n next I will explain one by one, the first is Google controller. Um, so I want the controller to be easy to use, but with sophisticated functions. So it's a combination of easy to use and um sophisticated functions. Uh this is a first concept of our controller. The second concept is a fancy controller, um so we want give the customers the impression that our controller is very attractive, um they can easy recognise our controller among a lot of products, so so the u the user f the the u user interface should be very very cute, very very g um
[speaker004:] Mm.
[speaker002:] Mm. A nice one.
[speaker003:] attractive. Such like this, there are several uh examples in the slides.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] I'm not sure the one in the middle [vocalsound] is very attractive.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, it's very, you know if you're [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] It's very big, [vocalsound] yeah.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah. It's hard f i it's easy for you to remember it. [vocalsound] Or to recognise it,
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker003:] yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah, why not. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] We'll have big discussion I suppose after that,
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] so.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[speaker003:] So the last uh concept is intelligent. We want uh we want our controller to be smart,
[speaker002:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[speaker003:] so maybe we should uh use um uh technology, such as speech recognition technology and gesture recognition technology, so we need to have coop some cooperation with some research institute on speech recognition and um gesture recognition. Um With this advanced features we [disfmarker] I think we can attract a lot of user.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Something else?
[speaker003:] No. There [disfmarker] this is the three concepts of our controller.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I just have one question,
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] because for the intelligent controller, [vocalsound] you said that we can use the voice recognition or the gesture recognition,
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] but as the um expert told us, most of the people want to use the remote control to zap t to zap between channels.
[speaker003:] Yeah, so [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Do you think they will be able to use gestures? Because, if they do all the time the same gesture, as you said previously in the last meeting, maybe they will get injuries because of that?
[speaker003:] Y
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Maybe.
[speaker001:] or if you say channel three channel three two three four six five, I think they will be bored after a while. You don't think so?
[speaker003:] Uh I think some time it's very uh convenient to use voice interface and gesture interface than use button.
[speaker001:] Yeah, sure.
[speaker003:] For example, if you cannot find your uh [vocalsound] controller, you can just uh [vocalsound] just just uh speak something such as, yeah, one two.
[speaker001:] I
[speaker002:] Oh yeah, [vocalsound] that's a good [disfmarker] that's a good point, so.
[speaker001:] That's true. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] One and [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, but suppose you got a cold. You have a mute remote controller.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Mm.
[speaker003:] So you can use your gesture. That's no problem. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah but how how is [disfmarker] how risky is it to trust like speech recognition or gesture recognition?
[speaker001:] Broken arm?
[speaker003:] For limited vocabulary speech recognition is very reliable and for s limited vocabulary gesture recognition is also very [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Okay. Okay.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but suppose you have a family watching TV, and if they want to use their private remote control in the same time, do you think it will work? Everybody wanting to change channel in the same time?
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yep. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] But this this [disfmarker] but this would never happen anyway.
[speaker003:] Yeah, they cannot speak at the same time.
[speaker001:] Why?
[speaker004:] Yeah [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] If you have one brother and one sister and they want to watch their favourite uh TV programme,
[speaker004:] Yeah, but the [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] so they say oh channel four channel three channel four channel three all the time,
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah but [vocalsound] Yeah
[speaker003:] Yeah, it's very interesting. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah but this [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] so.
[speaker002:] but the same can happen even with it you know this kind of remote control
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] because the [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] I don't think it [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, but you have the remote control, so maybe you can keep it f with you.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] That's right.
[speaker001:] You're not you're not obliged to share it.
[speaker004:] Oh, okay, okay, you mean it could be a problem for this kind of stuff.
[speaker001:] Yeah, we can [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah, that's that's the advantage of intelligent controller.
[speaker001:] yeah.
[speaker003:] Even you h you have the controller, I can [vocalsound] I can say channel three,
[speaker004:] No.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's [disfmarker] it's [gap] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] so it's c come to channel three,
[speaker004:] No, but this is disadvant disadvantage.
[speaker003:] I don't have to [vocalsound] [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think it's a disadvantage.
[speaker003:] It's advantage.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And mayb maybe we can have the switching mode to pass from you know voice controller to
[speaker001:] Yeah, but one other question.
[speaker002:] manual controllers, eh.
[speaker001:] How how much will it cost?
[speaker002:] No, more expensive maybe.
[speaker003:] How much?
[speaker001:] Yeah. Because I suppose we need to do research to have something working.
[speaker003:] No no we we d we we just are use um [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Uh if you if if you use the basic [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Some some efficient.
[speaker003:] No no we just um have some cooperation with some research institute, we don't have to do some basic research on this field.
[speaker001:] So you think it won't cost an [disfmarker] Not a lot for us? Or?
[speaker003:] Yeah, I think it's uh [disfmarker] because uh this technology is uh um for limited wor or limited wor uh lexical recognition, it's very [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, but uh uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] it's uh [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker004:] But it's it's changing how the remote control is gonna be built.
[speaker003:] It's [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Because then you need uh [disfmarker] I mean this doesn't have uh the power to do recognition, for example.
[speaker002:] Well y y you have also the language problem,
[speaker003:] No it's uh [disfmarker] Even for the f um because the the vocabulary [disfmarker] the [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] you know when you [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Mm-mm.
[speaker002:] 'Cause it it have to be universal, so.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I agree with uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] The vocabulary is very small, so that's not a problem.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but there is one problem that uh Baba talked about is the international
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] remote control. We need something that is international. Suppose we're [disfmarker] we want to sell it in France.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] The recognition system will be able to understand French. If you want to go to England, it will be able to understand English,
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] so.
[speaker003:] Yeah, the key, the key um the key of our [disfmarker] the key feature of our controller is that it's it has some some um adaptation
[speaker004:] Yeah, this could be downloaded by the web maybe, or [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah
[speaker003:] mechanism.
[speaker002:] but you know. The product [disfmarker] The pro
[speaker003:] It's It's it means when you when you sell this controller in China it's can recognise Chinese. It's r if you sell this controller in France it can recognise French.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's a very smart, it's a very smart controller maybe [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Mm, okay.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, it's [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] And with no increase in the pri production price of the remote control?
[speaker002:] Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah.
[speaker003:] Because of this product uh this technology has already been developed.
[speaker002:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker003:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] but how will you [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah but the problem is how to s you know if this is a push button controller, you can send this con this remote control everywhere in the world, the same one.
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[speaker002:] If you have the language, you have to develop for each country.
[speaker003:] Oh n Yeah, yeah tha that's why we have to do language adaptation.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but for each country you have to do one,
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] because uh the for example for Se [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Even for each f for even for different family we have to do d yeah we would we have to do adaptation to [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Oh really? [vocalsound] That's [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker004:] Yeah, but then w
[speaker001:] Seems to be quite complex.
[speaker004:] Yeah, we have to take care of the twelve Euros
[speaker002:] Comple
[speaker003:] No, it's not so complex [vocalsound].
[speaker004:] problem.
[speaker001:] And what about voice recognition, do we have microphones? And where will be they? Do you think if we're far from television it will work?
[speaker003:] No no no it's not [disfmarker] I think that's n that's not a problem because you you don't have to wear a microphone. It it just [disfmarker] the microphone is embedded in the controller.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but where is the controller?
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Where is the controller?
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] It's in your family, in your home. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] No, but then it's it's like this uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, but we're [disfmarker] here it's uh an object. But here you say you want to use i uh s technology.
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah you can you can embed it uh microphone here.
[speaker002:] A microphone maybe.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but wha what is the use of voice or gesture recognition if you have a remote control li like this, if you have an object. If you want to use voice or gesture you need to be free, without any object.
[speaker002:] To talk to the to the TV maybe.
[speaker001:] You just want to interact with television.
[speaker003:] Yeah yeah just [disfmarker] you just put the controller here, then you
[speaker002:] I if you say one, he switch to channel,
[speaker003:] you use your command
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah,
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker003:] and you do s your gesture.
[speaker001:] but you can lose it.
[speaker003:] No no it's n y [vocalsound] [disfmarker] if you lose it [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] So well for example if it is somewhere in the room if i maybe if it is in the table there you can always say s channel one and the t the remote control gives the order to the TV to switch to channel one.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Okay you [disfmarker] so you can build a kind of black box
[speaker002:] Devic
[speaker001:] and put it on TV and just to recognize gestures and voice.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah but so you need a camera and you know a microphone [vocalsound] inside your remote control.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Ah.
[speaker004:] But you would still have the buttons. Or is it [disfmarker] do you think it should be only voice recognition and gesture recognition? Or you you still have the possibility to use buttons?
[speaker003:] think it [disfmarker] we should give the uh flexibility to the user
[speaker004:] Okay,
[speaker003:] and we think [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] so you [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] yeah.
[speaker004:] yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah,
[speaker003:] You can see [disfmarker] they can switch form one modality to another.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker004:] Yeah, I dunno. It's a bit risky risky.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I think so.
[speaker003:] No, that's quite inter quite attractive.
[speaker001:] And maybe it will be quite [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] But I think that, you know, switching from one country to to another will be a problem, so [disfmarker] although y y
[speaker003:] Well, if you do language adaptation, there should be no problem. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah,
[speaker002:] Yeah but i i [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] I dunno.
[speaker003:] We should have confidence in technology. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, we should. [vocalsound] Uh.
[speaker001:] Hmm. So, what do you think? We'll try the controllers you'd prefer.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker004:] What?
[speaker001:] Which kind of controller would you prefer to use, you as a remote control user?
[speaker004:] If if [disfmarker] I mean, uh I'm sure if the user pays the same price, he's happy to have recognition.
[speaker003:] More features, yeah.
[speaker004:] But if if if it like doubles uh
[speaker002:] Yeah, but [disfmarker] I think he need a control that is very reliable,
[speaker004:] no one would would be interested.
[speaker002:] so.
[speaker001:] So I think it would be better not to do any intelligent controller and to stay with the Google controller or a fancy controller. Maybe try to mix the Google controller and the fancy controller? Hmm?
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] Just want to have something [disfmarker] controller which is in a kind of intelligent controller, easy to use, sophisticated and fancy.
[speaker003:] Yeah
[speaker001:] You think it's possible?
[speaker003:] but if if you stick to um [disfmarker] stick to the first two parts. So what's the difference between our controller with other products in the market? There's no k features of our controller, so is there is there any necessary to design new controller without any breakthrough features?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker004:] No, I mean [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Would y would you replace your controller with a controller with similar function if you do not have some some function inside it that [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] It's not really the [disfmarker] we
[speaker004:] Y
[speaker002:] we can add for example some function like for browsing in internet, so [disfmarker] or something like that. But uh I think a user need [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, you y that's a fun that's not the function of the controller, that's a function of TV. You can replace your TV with a new TV with internet browsing function,
[speaker004:] No, but you need you need new remote controller then. Because if you wanna browse internet or, I don't know, if you wanna type something,
[speaker003:] but [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Don't have a [disfmarker] the the [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] or [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Yeah if we can send email from it.
[speaker003:] But it's not the [disfmarker] only the problem [disfmarker] only the issue of controller, it's it's also the issue of the TV.
[speaker004:] No. No.
[speaker002:] Because the p the problem I can see with with the voice or the gesture itself wh what can happen in a family i i for example if [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Cause for example [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah, but we do we do we we we cannot rely one hundred percent on these features to u to use the controller,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but uh we want so
[speaker003:] but with the features of our controller such as you have the feature of voice recognition in your mobile but you seldom use it, your mobile, but you when you choose a new mobile, you choose the one with voice recognition.
[speaker004:] Yeah, you wou you would [disfmarker] True.
[speaker003:] That's [disfmarker] the feature is not one hundred percent reliable, but it's a feature to distinguish our product from our [disfmarker] from other products.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but w we we want something th that works all the time, every day, every hour, for everyone.
[speaker002:] Yeah [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah, uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] And for all the person of the family maybe,
[speaker003:] Yeah, if if if if you're if you ar if you already have a product it works one hundred percent reliable, would you replace it with another one?
[speaker001:] You don't need to tune it.
[speaker002:] so, yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah, why not?
[speaker004:] I mean, for example the goo y
[speaker001:] If it's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Because you have new [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] you say we would we would to have a Google-like controller.
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker004:] I don't see how adding speech or gesture recognition would make the remote control look more like Google. Google is [vocalsound] is simple, works fine,
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] so I I guess if can have a remote control that is really basic, simple and works fine, it's already a lot.
[speaker003:] Yeah. Oh yes, but there's no big difference between the traditional controller.
[speaker004:] Uh thi this [disfmarker] I mean, the user is not only interested in having speech or gesture recognition or [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] The [disfmarker] then nn
[speaker004:] if he has something that works fine and is really [vocalsound] fancy, looks nice and it's easy easy to use, easy to use.
[speaker003:] no. Tha
[speaker001:] Not too expensive too.
[speaker003:] But the there's there's n there's n not enough motivation for them to replace their old controller with a new one if there's no key feature in the new controller.
[speaker004:] See [vocalsound] [disfmarker] That's the problem,
[speaker003:] That's the same [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker004:] yeah. I mean, I I know it's more interesting to develop a remote controller with speech and gesture and whatever.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Ye [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] But you have to think, the user is the one who gonna buy the product and so.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Okay. So
[speaker004:] I mean, that's the point.
[speaker001:] let's go to the Industrial Designer.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Maybe we'll be able to take a decision after that,
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] so. Two?
[speaker002:] Yeah, participant two um [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Working?
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Yeah, working design, so.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] So I think [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I can [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Can you go to the [vocalsound] next one? I uh [disfmarker] it's not this one. It's uh oth the oth [vocalsound] so I [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] It's the working design. Sorry. [vocalsound] Component design.
[speaker001:] It's okay [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] So this yeah [disfmarker] so this is the described use [disfmarker] What?
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Are you inst
[speaker001:] Uh I think there's something wrong with your [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] It did didn't r receive it. Didn't receive it.
[speaker001:] Maybe you you record it somewhere else.
[speaker002:] I don't think so.
[speaker003:] Participant one. Participant one.
[speaker001:] Interface concept. No.
[speaker004:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Mm mm.
[speaker002:] Oh. Maybe I record recorded directly on the [disfmarker] Computer.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Dunno.
[speaker001:] Nope. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Okay, okay. Yes.
[speaker001:] It seems that we have a problem with the [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] I dunno if you remember what you had to say or [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] I can say it to you without.
[speaker001:] Yeah, so [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah, maybe we can first come to
[speaker001:] No, I think it will be more interesting to start with uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] uh to Frahan. With Frahan,
[speaker004:] I think it's more interesting what he says,
[speaker003:] then you can prepare your slides,
[speaker004:] okay.
[speaker003:] then present it later.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah, exac
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] You will had s some more information in [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] I think it will be interesting after your presentation to have um Baba's presentation.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah, true.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] In fact, I don't know,
[speaker001:] So.
[speaker002:] I s
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] because i in my presentation I don't have here with [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] so [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay, never mind.
[speaker002:] It was in fact the design use to show you the design of what is inside a what is inside and what are the different component of the r
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] of the remote control.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker002:] So it will be interesting so I could show you some some picture of what is inside
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker002:] and [disfmarker] so. So I [disfmarker] in fact the the [disfmarker] f something I want to discuss is which kind of material are we going to use, so
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] will [disfmarker] it will be wooden wooden di wooden remote control or a a plastic remote control like this one. So and [vocalsound] in which which which kind will be the the different bu button,
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] so it can be some, you know, classic pushbutton like this one, or you have also some button like LCD where you know, the button the buttons are unlighted during the night,
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] or, you know, you can see them in the darkness.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker002:] And the other thing I want to discuss also is which kind of alimentation, electric alimentation do you want to have, so will it be for example uh d uh solar energy alimentation
[speaker003:] Uh-huh.
[speaker002:] or will it be a battery like the classical battery so. And I think that for example for the alimentation it would be good to have uh both of them, so so for example in some country where you are in the the countryside and you are far from, you know, the cities uh for example in some place in in S Senegal, so if you have electric if you have solar alimentation, you just, when you want to have recharger or remote control power you just put it on the sun and after one hour you can come
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] and [disfmarker] so it can be interesting for people to have this kind of remote con It can be something interesting to make people buy it, for example.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think it's an added value to the remote control
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah, yeah mm.
[speaker001:] and maybe it can attract all the ecological k yeah consumers
[speaker002:] Ecologists, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] and but about the the price of adding this solar battery, would it be something really that will increase the price of production more,
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] no?
[speaker002:] Alrigh In fact, having them both will [disfmarker] if we want to have battery, regular battery and and [vocalsound] the solar energy battery it could be [disfmarker] it'll it will add a little bit of the price,
[speaker001:] So.
[speaker002:] but it will be an added value also that will be compensated,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] so hmm.
[speaker001:] And what tha what about the uh materials?
[speaker002:] And the materials, it depends for example you [disfmarker] if you have a wooden material it can be more [disfmarker] the plastic material is more common it's very resistant
[speaker001:] Impersonal, mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] but, you know, something wooden will be like, I don't know high cl so a special high class,
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Special for [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] or you know, you can have some [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] Yeah, and i if you [disfmarker] we want to put fashion in electronics maybe we can try to do something with wood.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] Yeah, even if it is not completely wood, but just a part of the, you know, will be wooden, in wood
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Mm.
[speaker002:] and it can be interesting.
[speaker001:] Mm okay, seems to be interesting, mm.
[speaker002:] And so the last point is y also would do you want to have some very cheap integrated cir circuits, chips, or do you have low level or or very very expensive, it depends, but I think that low level will be, you know, it is an interim module.
[speaker001:] Yeah, we want something easy to use and [disfmarker] so I think maybe something very low level wou would be enough.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] And you think that we will be [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think it will fit on the price we want, twel twelve Euros,
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] so.
[speaker001:] So
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker001:] wood. And what about the buttons?
[speaker002:] I think the buttons I pr I prefer, you know, the LCD you know [vocalsound] lighted buttons because, you know, it's [disfmarker] I don't know [vocalsound] um yeah, in the dark, it's fashion
[speaker001:] No it's fashion, yeah.
[speaker002:] and it's related to how beautiful it is or uh if you want to watch TV in the darkness or if you want to lo find your find your your remote control that is lost, you know in the darkness it's very easy so, right.
[speaker004:] What about the touch scr touch screen? For example. It's it's expensive I I guess.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] I think a touch screen [vocalsound] will be t as expensive as the LCD buttons so.
[speaker004:] Mm.
[speaker002:] But [disfmarker] And it is a kind of other design, I mean. It can also be interesting to have this kind of [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] So you got email?
[speaker001:] I dunno. [vocalsound] I think we have only [vocalsound] [vocalsound] uh five minutes left.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Participant four? Functional requirements?
[speaker004:] Uh no, trend watching. [vocalsound] The other one. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] This one?
[speaker004:] Yeah. Uh, I think so, just [disfmarker] Yeah, so just to meet the user requirements I would just do a s short anal analysis of the remote control market and to kind of um have a better overview of what's the fashion in general I've checked more than only the remote control market, so next.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] So again, it's pretty much similar to what I've said in the previous meeting. Um user really really want a fancy look and feel. They're not so so interested in uh functional look and feel, okay. Like the one you've shown, David, with all the buttons and [disfmarker] I mean [vocalsound] i i it sounds good technically
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] Mm.
[speaker004:] but it's it's not what they want and uh [disfmarker] So, second point is they still want it it to be technologically innovative, so maybe it's sort of related to what you've said with the speech recognition and so on.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] At the same time, it's important that it's easy to use. So that were the three first points from the remote control uh analysis.
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker004:] Now i if we look at fashion in general um [disfmarker] Okay. Wha what we really see this year is that uh everything from clothes to shoes and furniture is is inspired by fruits and vegetables, okay,
[speaker002:] Ah yes.
[speaker004:] so I think we really have to take this into account for the design of the the thing.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah.
[speaker004:] 'Cause it's it's really what people want. Even if it's in general fashion, we want it to be in the remote control. And then uh if if we take the ordering or the ranking of all the points, fancy look and feel has, on a score of seven would have six as importance. Uh the remote control has to be technologically innovative, it's three. Then easy to use uh it's not so important actually with respect to other y other ones.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker004:] So we see fancy look an look and feel is the most important one, and then if we combine this with the fashion uh from Milan and Paris
[speaker002:] And fruit and vegetables yeah.
[speaker004:] we go to the fruits and vede vegetables. And the other point I haven't mention is people wan want to have a spongy touch,
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Spongy [vocalsound] 'Kay.
[speaker004:] okay so this is this maybe doesn't really fit with the wooden design.
[speaker002:] Okay, yeah, yeah.
[speaker004:] I dunno.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but the problem is which kind of material do you need to to be spongy?
[speaker004:] Yeah thi this is this would be like um
[speaker002:] Pla
[speaker004:] plastic-like, but rubber, mayb maybe, you know, rubber-like uh
[speaker002:] S Very stuff [disfmarker] Okay, rubber rubber desi okay, yeah. Yeah.
[speaker004:] device, so um
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Okay, tha tha that was the main point, I think, from the trend in fashion.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] So we have to take decisions about the component concepts, about the energy. So, [vocalsound] as you say you want something technologically innovative,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] maybe using solar energy and [disfmarker] with battery would be something interesting,
[speaker002:] Solar.
[speaker004:] Yeah, so when I think it's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] maybe will attract
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm
[speaker002:] Yeah. It will be a [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] pro-ecology consumers.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh cheap imprint so you s you propose low level chips would be uh enough to have something working well.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think [vocalsound] [disfmarker] Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] Case.
[speaker003:] Later? [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] So you think [gap] case. Something spongy. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Someth no wood.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] No wood but [disfmarker] Plastic?
[speaker004:] Maybe not no wood, but I mean ma maybe not the part you touching you know.
[speaker002:] Would some [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Pla
[speaker001:] Maybe you [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] I think we can have wood for example in the bottom and, you know.
[speaker004:] Yeah, maybe the base.
[speaker002:] It depends on the design we want, so.
[speaker001:] It's it's natural.
[speaker004:] But still y
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's natural
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Th The feeling is natural,
[speaker002:] and i
[speaker001:] so maybe we can stay with wood.
[speaker002:] And it can be correlated to energy, solar energy, so for the marketing aspect, you know, saying that it's ecol
[speaker004:] Yeah, I mean it's not exactly right for the spongy point of view.
[speaker002:] Mm, yeah, it's not right, so.
[speaker001:] But it's still fashion.
[speaker004:] But we could maybe have both like part of wood and some rubber for the buttons, or
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker004:] I dunno.
[speaker001:] Yeah, something that you can [vocalsound] into it.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh and what about the user interface concept?
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Google and [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Google and fancy?
[speaker002:] and fancy, f how about the the voice?
[speaker001:] Because I think that with the voice and gesture recognition there are still some disadvantages with this.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] And [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Uh yes.
[speaker002:] Uh maybe we can do some marketing studies asking people if they're interested and how [disfmarker] [vocalsound] It It is an an interesting concept to see [disfmarker] to have uh voice control.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah. The smart controller. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Mm. Yeah. But [disfmarker] and the problem is I I'm we can infer i if you have v voice control why not to put it directly on the the TV, so speak directly to the TV and you don't need a remote control actually, so.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, but you need a receiver to recognize the gestures and the voice.
[speaker002:] But it will be embedded on the TV and not on the remote control, so.
[speaker001:] That's true.
[speaker004:] Yeah [disfmarker] d
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker004:] I dunno.
[speaker001:] So maybe we'll just focus on the Google controller plus the fancy controller,
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] maybe try to mix them these two concepts together, just in one and do a remote control with solar energy and batteries and with lev low level chips and wood.
[speaker003:] Yeah. It's good.
[speaker001:] And LCD buttons.
[speaker002:] Yeah, LCD.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think for these supplements the solar energy would be something quite interesting and not maybe too difficult to add.
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And pf what can we think a supplement to [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] What interface?
[speaker001:] Yeah, for the interface something [disfmarker] added value.
[speaker002:] I think the supplement can be the voice [vocalsound]. It is just, you know, it is not the most important, but it can be a part of [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] With a module? You mean the remote control with a mur module if you want you can just use
[speaker002:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] commands, words and use them when you don't want to use your fingers.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Mm.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] To push button, yeah, yeah. Even it is for s just some kids, you know, switching channels one two three four.
[speaker001:] Turning the TV o on o or off.
[speaker002:] Yeah, turning [vocalsound] [disfmarker] yeah, yeah. Not very complex commands, but easy commands, so.
[speaker001:] So, adding some vocal commands.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Simple ones?
[speaker002:] Yeah, simple ones for [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay. [vocalsound] So the next meeting will start in thirty meeti minutes [vocalsound] so [vocalsound] we'll [disfmarker] you will all have to work in in your direction. So you will have to work on the look and feel design, to have the easy to use, powerful and fancy remote control with some added value such as the uh simple vocal commands recognition.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yep. Yeah.
[speaker001:] Uh you will have to work more, Baba, on the um spongy way to to add spongy um touch to the buttons [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] expensive buttons [gap] [vocalsound] Yeah, to make some new [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] and try to find maybe a nice shape for the wooden remote control.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] And I sup I think we'll have to evaluate th the product too.
[speaker004:] Yeah, no not forgetting about the fruits and vegetables trends.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Okay, fruits.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] If possible.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] And remember as as I said last meeting, we really have to build a fashion remote control and uh the colour of the um the society will be really [disfmarker] it will be seen in the remote control.
[speaker002:] Need it to be, okay.
[speaker001:] So you will have [disfmarker] Baba and David Jordan you will have to work together on the prototype
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and you will have next time to show us um modelling a cl a clay remote control,
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker001:] so you will have to model model something.
[speaker003:] Okay. Yep
[speaker001:] And I think that some specific instructions will be sent to you by your personal coach.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] So,
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] no more questions, we can close the session.
[speaker004:] Hmm.
[speaker002:] Sounds good, mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Okay, cool.
[speaker003:] Okay.