[speaker004:] I wanna find our if our remote works.
[speaker001:] Me too.
[speaker004:] Oh. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay. Um here's the agenda for our last meeting.
[speaker004:] Whoohoo.
[speaker001:] Um after the opening we're going to have a prototype presentation, then we're going to discuss the evaluation criteria and the financing of our remote. Then we're going to evaluate the product and I think the whole production process, and then we're gonna close it up, and we have forty minutes, so let's get started. Oh, no, let's have the prototype presentation.
[speaker002:] Mm 'kay,
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker002:] you ready?
[speaker003:] Um sure. You or me?
[speaker002:] Y you read that stuff, since you wrote it.
[speaker003:] Okay. Well, since our materials aren't exactly what we were going for, I'm just gonna translate what this all means for you.
[speaker002:] I'll be the Vanna.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] The base is gonna be gunmetal gray, which is what we had decided, and it's gonna be plastic. Um then there's the latex cover, which is what you see as red. Um because it can be replaceable, we just kinda went with the colour.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker003:] Um and then the buttons are actually kind of poking through rather than on top. Um and the buttons will be a l much lighter blue, almost see-through.
[speaker001:] Hmm.
[speaker003:] It's just sort of a very pale blue and a light-up yellow.
[speaker004:] That's nice.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] The whole thing lights up if you press any button, rather than it [disfmarker] just that one button will light up.
[speaker004:] Good.
[speaker003:] Um and then at the bottom we have our logo. Um bright yellow sort of design with the RR [vocalsound] which will actually look like our logo.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Great.
[speaker003:] And then on the side you have the buttons. [vocalsound] They're one button, but they kind of push up and down.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] I don't think they're scrolling.
[speaker002:] No. They're just buttons.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Right, yeah. And then [disfmarker] yeah, the buttons.
[speaker002:] On off switch will be here and as you've noticed on our prototype um they've ended up with a curvature kind of, by concave sort of thing, except for, you know, [gap] can't see underneath.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So I'm hoping that when we get to production we can actually make them like that, because they're very nice to stock [gap] you know, stick your finger in.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Um the two squared buttons are are two probably least used, menu, mute,
[speaker003:] Thumb-shaped.
[speaker002:] and then these are the numbers, so our channel and our volume will be on either side.
[speaker003:] Yeah. And then the last thing is just that it'll be black labelling on top, just which we didn't do. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Okay. And did you determine um the curvature of the bottom part of it for the hand, is it gonna be a single or a double?
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] I'd say a single.
[speaker001:] Single.
[speaker003:] Single.
[speaker001:] Single sounds good, 'cause it's not big enough to really constitute a double.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Right.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it's only actually the size of my hand.
[speaker001:] Great. Great. I think you did an awesome job.
[speaker004:] Yeah, I think it's a beautiful [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] It is beautiful, and it's everything that we discussed.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah. Good job, you guys.
[speaker001:] Good job.
[speaker003:] Oh thank you. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Whoohoo.
[speaker004:] Those are really good.
[speaker001:] Alright [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker001:] what's next in our agenda? Um we're gonna discuss the evaluation criteria, and that's with Courtney.
[speaker004:] Okay, it's a PowerPoint presentation. I don't really know exactly what we should uh talk about. It's under evaluation.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker004:] Alright. Um so these are the criteria we're gonna ask, is it easy to use, is it fashionable uh [disfmarker] yeah, I guess we should write these down so we can reference them.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker003:] Feel good meaning what?
[speaker004:] Like does it feel good, like [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Physically,
[speaker004:] yeah, physically.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker003:] okay. [gap]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Sqi [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] That's just for current trend.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] It doesn't really count, you guys.
[speaker002:] Yeah, it was a little difficult to incorporate the cover with the cherry fruit on it.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah. But it's [disfmarker] so we do have removable covers, right?
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Yes.
[speaker004:] Yeah, well then that's covered. And so we n k
[speaker001:] 'Kay.
[speaker004:] everybody have that?
[speaker001:] I'll wait.
[speaker004:] Yeah, she's got it. It's good.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah. Okay so, we're using the criteria uh for a seven point scale, and so we need to discuss how we feel. It falls within this range, so for easy to use, do we feel it's very easy to use?
[speaker001:] Are we going to indi
[speaker003:] True or false, easy to use.
[speaker001:] I say we individually rate [disfmarker] what do you say?
[speaker004:] You guys [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Just orally. Why not? We have [disfmarker] okay.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Um easy to use. I vote six.
[speaker004:] Oh wait, that's false.
[speaker001:] Oh,
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] two.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker002:] I'd say two as well.
[speaker003:] Yeah, two.
[speaker004:] Two. That's what I say.
[speaker001:] Uh hello, we're great.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Okay, fashionable?
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um one.
[speaker002:] At the moment, no.
[speaker004:] No.
[speaker001:] No.
[speaker004:] I mean like no, I think it's very fashionable.
[speaker001:] Me too, very chic. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] I thi I would give it a one.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] One, I give it a one.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] I'll give it a two, because at the moment it's not looking that way.
[speaker004:] Well, that's that's just like [disfmarker] that's a clay, it's a prototype.
[speaker001:] Oh, and ma it's a prototype, right.
[speaker004:] What do you think?
[speaker003:] Mm I don't think it's that fashionable. I'd give it like three or four.
[speaker001:] Well, now I'm [gap].
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] So, the average is about a two.
[speaker004:] Yeah, it's a two.
[speaker003:] But then I'm not fashionable, so
[speaker001:] Two or three.
[speaker003:] don't use my opinion.
[speaker001:] Two point five.
[speaker004:] That's okay. Yeah.
[speaker002:] Neither are all o all the customers we have, either.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um does it feel good?
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Imagine, since we obviously don't have that.
[speaker004:] I feel like [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Does it feel good?
[speaker002:] Uh the shape of it actually does uh.
[speaker001:] And it's i it is very ergonomically designed. It's gonna be curved.
[speaker003:] Yeah, it's gonna be thicker.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Depth.
[speaker004:] I think it feels good.
[speaker001:] I think so too.
[speaker004:] I'll give it a two.
[speaker001:] 'Kay. Two.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] I'll give it a one.
[speaker004:] What do you say?
[speaker002:] I'd say a two.
[speaker001:] Alright, average is two.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Is it technologically innovative? Oh sorry I'm taking over your job here.
[speaker004:] Oh no, it's fine,
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] you're [disfmarker] I mean you're Project Manager.
[speaker001:] Go right ahead. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Um yeah, I mean and it [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] does it have voice [disfmarker] I mean the phrase recognition on it?
[speaker001:] Yes. Right? We were able to do it with that kind of chip.
[speaker003:] Oh right, the [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] We could do it with the chip, yes. It wasn't [disfmarker] we have no reflection of it on the prototype,
[speaker004:] And there's no way you can represent it on here. Y
[speaker001:] Yeah, right.
[speaker002:] but that's because it's only two dimensions, really.
[speaker001:] That was [disfmarker] 'kay.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah, so.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] And we discussed that being included.
[speaker003:] Right.
[speaker004:] Then yes, then I would [disfmarker] well it isn't [disfmarker] what else would it need for it to be technologically innovative?
[speaker002:] It [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Well we don' have the [disfmarker] you know, we can't say channel, and it changes the channel, channel eight.
[speaker004:] And it doesn't cover anything other then TV, so I'd probably give it a three.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] Even though it is [disfmarker] for just a TV remote it's uh very advanced. But it is just a TV remote.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I'd go for a three or four on that one, so [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah I go four.
[speaker001:] okay, let's go for a three point five.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Three and an half.
[speaker001:] Alright, and the last criteria [disfmarker] is it is it um [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Squishy and fruity.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Well yeah, so I'd give it a two.
[speaker001:] Well, we've covered that with the
[speaker003:] It's just trendy, basically.
[speaker001:] trendy.
[speaker002:] It's capable of being squishy and fruity.
[speaker001:] Sure. Capable. Very capable.
[speaker004:] Oh, it's very capable of being squishy and fruity.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker001:] And [vocalsound] it's very important.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] 'Kay, there we go.
[speaker004:] Okay, next.
[speaker001:] So. Next. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] So um our re model slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie appears to be a winner, and uh hopefully we'll sell millions.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Good job, team. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] How did you get that in there?
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound] What?
[speaker002:] The [vocalsound] slightly resembling a giant delicious cookie.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] It does.
[speaker004:] It [vocalsound] it does. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] That was good.
[speaker004:] Thanks.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Very good. Alright, let's go back to this [disfmarker] [vocalsound] No, that's it. Hmm. Oops. Okay, so now uh we're moving on to finance, okay. I'm gonna show you an Excel spreadsheet and we're going to fill it in together based on what components we're including in our remote and see if it's under twelve fifty Euro. If so, we can proceed, if not, we need to go back to the drawing board a little bit. 'Kay? So let me bring that up. Here we go. Alright. Um it's not hand dynamo, it's powered by battery, so we give it a [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yep.
[speaker004:] Two.
[speaker001:] Number of components you plan to use. Do I just put quantity being one battery, or [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Mm 'kay.
[speaker001:] But if it's a [disfmarker] do you wanna go for [disfmarker] this is where we need to make a final call on if it's a lithium or do we wanna go triple As, 'cause triple As we're gonna have t do more than one battery. Oh, let's just go for a lithium. What do you say?
[speaker004:] Yeah, let's let's do a lithium.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think uh
[speaker002:] it's [gap].
[speaker001:] I think the people who purchase this are gonna be technologically
[speaker004:] We're gon that's gon Nologically advanced,
[speaker001:] [disfmarker] right.
[speaker004:] yeah.
[speaker001:] Okay, down to the electronics um section. We're gonna need this kind, correct, if we do the voice sensor,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yep.
[speaker001:] so one of those. It is a single-curved, so one of those.
[speaker004:] Uh [gap].
[speaker001:] Oh. What's that? Yeah, that's correct.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] 'Kay, down here, case material.
[speaker003:] It's plastic.
[speaker004:] We [disfmarker] plastic.
[speaker001:] Plastic.
[speaker004:] And special colour.
[speaker003:] And special colour.
[speaker001:] 'Kay. [vocalsound] Down here, interface type. We're gonna have the integrated scroll scroll wheel.
[speaker003:] No, we don't have the scroll.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Isn't [disfmarker] oh those are just regular buttons.
[speaker004:] But it's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Well, that's the push-button too, right there.
[speaker003:] Buttons.
[speaker004:] Yeah, but i so i
[speaker001:] This?
[speaker002:] Integrated scroll-wheel or push-button.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] We're really having just push-button interface.
[speaker001:] Okay, so we can just go [disfmarker] um.
[speaker004:] But will we w actually we'll need two, won't we? One for the top and then one for the s one e for each side.
[speaker002:] But it [disfmarker] that just covers the type of button we're having. Because we're not doing a scroll on the side, it's still push-button.
[speaker003:] Oh like the [disfmarker] twenty nine means like you have both scrolls and
[speaker002:] Push-button.
[speaker003:] push-buttons.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Right I think she's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] But we just have push
[speaker003:] But we don't have any scrolls.
[speaker001:] I think what Courtney's talking about is do we need to put two here?
[speaker004:] Like because there's like one interface right here and then [disfmarker] because it's not gonna be on the same plane when you press the button. There's gonna have to be additional signals on the sides.
[speaker001:] Right.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] So is that gonna be an extra one on each side?
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] I don't know, they might put us [disfmarker] well, let's just.
[speaker003:] Two interfaces, is that what w should we s say?
[speaker002:] Let's call it th
[speaker001:] Two or would it be three?
[speaker004:] Or three, because of one on each side and one on top.
[speaker003:] Okay, fine. Yeah.
[speaker004:] I mean it's fine 'cause it comes out the same as twenty nine. Well less than twenty nine even.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Okay and we're gonna [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] button supplements [disfmarker] the buttons are no
[speaker004:] They're a special colour.
[speaker001:] uh okay.
[speaker004:] Um they're uh they're a special form, 'cause they're indented.
[speaker001:] Are they? Oh, right.
[speaker003:] And then s
[speaker004:] And, they're a special material.
[speaker003:] yeah.
[speaker001:] Mm. Well, we're under cost then. Alright.
[speaker003:] We're over?
[speaker001:] No, we're under.
[speaker002:] Grand.
[speaker004:] We're under.
[speaker001:] Twelve point five is our limit.
[speaker003:] Okay. Oh, I see.
[speaker001:] We've got eleven point two.
[speaker002:] So we can go to production.
[speaker001:] Alright. We can go to [disfmarker] I dunno what I just did. [vocalsound] Okay. Now we're gonna talk about the project process um and whether or not we're satisfied with the whole process and the result. Um did we have a lot of room for creativity? Did we have a lot of room for individual leadership, um teamwork, and the means, meaning the technology that we used to produce our little guy there, and if we found any new ideas. Now, question is, how do we do this?
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Go back.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] I think we just discuss it.
[speaker001:] Discuss, sure.
[speaker002:] Previous.
[speaker001:] Alright. Who want who would like to go first?
[speaker002:] We think we got stifled for cri [vocalsound] creativity by the company itself, in restricting us only to using a TV remote, initially.
[speaker003:] We didn't have a whiteboard.
[speaker001:] Hmm.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Oh that's true.
[speaker001:] Hmm.
[speaker003:] And no internet.
[speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] No, yeah, that's a good point. 'Cause I'd forgotten that that wasn't our decision, yeah.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] And how did you feel about the whole the whole process though?
[speaker004:] Oh, overall I mean I thought we did a good job like [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] We got to choose [disfmarker] basically we had control over [disfmarker] minus it being just merely a TV remote we got to choose what we wanted to do with it.
[speaker001:] Right, and we got say over what [disfmarker] how technologically advanced it should be and also how fashionable, which I kind of like [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] And we're a fashion forward technology company.
[speaker001:] we [disfmarker] yep.
[speaker002:] [gap] right.
[speaker001:] You know it. Um what about um the teamwork aspect? How did you guys enjoy making the model, the prototype?
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker003:] I think we did well.
[speaker001:] I think ya' did. Did you work well together in there, and [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yep. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Well, no, there was there was scratching and fighting, but [disfmarker] no [vocalsound].
[speaker001:] 'kay.
[speaker004:] Minus that one fight.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Gouges.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Oh my God, and we've all been a pretty congenial team here, I think.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] We hadn't had any ma fallings out.
[speaker004:] I mean minus you guys being wha what is it, the survey, annoying or what is it?
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Irritating.
[speaker002:] Irritating. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Irritating, yeah.
[speaker003:] Irritating.
[speaker004:] Wow that's a [disfmarker] it's definitely a strong one.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] The means, the whiteboard didn't work. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] And no internet.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah. I have to knock that one down a couple notches.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] A and our friend here really feels strongly about the internet. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah, and no internet.
[speaker003:] Misses. I do.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] And the digital the digital pens
[speaker003:] There's so much available. Like it's information
[speaker001:] Yeah, digital pens.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] I really appreciated those, yeah.
[speaker004:] were [disfmarker] they were pretty cool.
[speaker001:] They were fine.
[speaker004:] Yeah they were fun, even though I'm not really sure what I could do with them, but they are awesome. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] The use of the laptops for receiving everything. It was wireless too, so.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Right, laptops are extremely handy, wireless.
[speaker004:] And these things whoa.
[speaker001:] And that we have a shared network where we can put all of the [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] And let's not forget the sexy dual microphones everyone gets to wear.
[speaker004:] Yeah. And Big Brother.
[speaker001:] Big brother.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] 'Kay, have we found any new ideas through this process?
[speaker004:] Um we are really gonna sell this.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Ta-da.
[speaker001:] For something that looks cool and also has what I want it to b do technologically.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And that's your right brain taking over, w wanting the artistic, the fashionable, the hip, you know.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] If we all just went out and bought useful things, I don't think [disfmarker] I mean that's not what technology.
[speaker003:] Well, that's why I don't like uh Macs or Apples, just 'cause I look at it, and I know it's probably a very good computer, but I look at it, and I'm taken back to elementary school, 'cause they look the same.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker003:] They look like they did when I was in elementary school,
[speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah, 'cause they're pretty
[speaker003:] and that's so old-fashioned to me.
[speaker004:] and just like [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] The Toronto district school would only use his Macs with their kids.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Exactly, so I associate them with like really low-tech, really cheap, bad [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah. Just the Mac font bothers me even.
[speaker004:] Uh yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But I do like iPods, go figure.
[speaker004:] Yeah, no, iPods [vocalsound] [disfmarker] They want all those words for presentation, even the plugs.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Well, i iPods are now quite trendy, and they come in different colours.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Colours. Exactly.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I mean how many people went out and bough a Nokia phone, back when we were like in high school, just so they could get the changeable face plates.
[speaker004:] Oh yeah, everybody.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Mine is amber.
[speaker001:] Anyway, so that is definitely at work.
[speaker002:] Not me.
[speaker003:] But the [disfmarker] my [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] I didn't have a phone 'til university.
[speaker003:] but my one issue is just like the whole it's for TV only.
[speaker004:] Oh.
[speaker003:] I was like who's gonna buy a remote just for the TV unless they've lost theirs.
[speaker004:] Look at it. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] That is a piece of work.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Fashionable chic people will.
[speaker003:] You're kidding.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Wow.
[speaker003:] No, no.
[speaker004:] Marketing Director says yeah. Fashionable people will buy it.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] No, marketing has to actually create the desire for it. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Oh, I will create desire. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] That's okay. We can create a commercial where they think that all their needs will be met. This will help them find the one.
[speaker003:] Ri [vocalsound] They'll be sexy with it. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Hmm.
[speaker004:] We could have like an Adam and Eve type commercial, and that's the fig-leaf.
[speaker002:] That's right. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Oh right.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Mm. [vocalsound] That'll sell.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] And so the serpent says, use our remote. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] There you go, marketing [gap].
[speaker003:] Let you loose.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Alright.
[speaker003:] Yeah, no.
[speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Okay, we're gonna wrap this up now. Um the costs are within the budget,
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] we evaluated the project, and now we're gonna complete the final questionnaire and meeting summary, and then we're going to have a big giant party, apparently, according to this, so.
[speaker002:] Whoohoo. Margaritas for everyone. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Alright, thank you team, you did a great job, it was lovely working with you.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Good.
[speaker004:] You too.
[speaker002:] Yay. Thanks to the Project Leader.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Now we know w