[speaker001:] Wait for the marketing director actually, so. Anyways. Uh. See, shall we wait? I'm not sure if he's late or delayed or whatever, so I'm gonna start soon, we have now [disfmarker] don't have much time anyway.
[speaker002:] Oh, there he is.
[speaker004:] Yes.
[speaker003:] Okay,
[speaker001:] There you are,
[speaker003:] we [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Sorry,
[speaker001:] okay.
[speaker004:] a little bit of pl little problem with computer.
[speaker001:] Uh no problem. We're about to start, so have a seat. Okay,
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] [gap].
[speaker001:] welcome again. Today, functional design phase. I'll take you over the minutes of last last meeting. Okay, that was just to get to know each other,
[speaker004:] Uh.
[speaker001:] have a little thoughts on what your vision is and [disfmarker] on this project, so [disfmarker] I put the minutes on the [disfmarker] I made on the on the p the the project share, so if you wanna review them, they're there. I will do so after every meeting, so if you have some information you wanna take back you can find it there. Anyways, um today three presentations, from every one of you. Um after that I got some new project requirements from project board, so we're gonna go af go after [disfmarker] over this later. But I wanna start with uh stuff you did first, so we can see what everybody came up with. And after that we can have the new requirements and share some thoughts, so. Who would like [disfmarker] wanna go first?
[speaker004:] Yeah, sure, no problem.
[speaker002:] Go ahead.
[speaker001:] Take it.
[speaker004:] Um there was a little problem with my computer so not uh the whole uh presentation uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Anyway, let's see what you have.
[speaker004:] Yeah. Um [disfmarker] Okay,
[speaker001:] Uh it's still a bit open.
[speaker004:] I want to open the my s oh no.
[speaker001:] You should close it on your own notebook, I guess. Yeah. So there?
[speaker004:] Oh no, that's okay.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] Uh slide show. Yes. The functional requirements, it's uh [vocalsound] uh very important for uh the user, he he wants to [disfmarker] yeah. The the method we used uh it it's not m not a slide, because it went wrong, but the method we use uh, um [vocalsound] we tested it w uh with uh a hundred uh men, and we asked them to w uh what the remote uh f feel uh like and uh what what's uh important. Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] If I can cut in, is it people or men? [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] People, sorry.
[speaker001:] Is it people, okay.
[speaker004:] Both women and men,
[speaker001:] 'Cause I thought it was only men, so [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] yeah. Okay. Uh
[speaker001:] 'Kay.
[speaker004:] the findings um uh [vocalsound] seventy five percent of the users find most remote controls ugly. Um [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] That's pretty shocking uh. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] So we have to s we have to do something about that.
[speaker004:] Yeah, and [disfmarker] yeah, most th th they want to spend money for a better system, for better remote control, so we can do uh a l a little uh nice things with it, and um they use [disfmarker] yeah, they use zap a lot, um uh fifty percent say they only [disfmarker] So that's the most important things.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] oh yeah, not all of it is it on mine on my PowerPoint presentation,
[speaker001:] Okay,
[speaker004:] but um uh the relevant buttons are the power, the channel selection and the volume selection.
[speaker001:] just talk ahead.
[speaker004:] It's uh the most basic buttons that a user wants uh [vocalsound] to use.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Uh less important is tel teletext,
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] uh um they use it, but it's not uh very uh important uh on the scale of zero to ten they six and a half uh
[speaker001:] Okay, that's okay.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] and [disfmarker] but not important is the channel selection, the the [vocalsound] [disfmarker] hmm?
[speaker001:] That's a little weird.
[speaker004:] Oh, [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Which channel selection?
[speaker004:] the the [disfmarker] no no no no no, that's very important, but uh w and not important in the audio settings, display settings and uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay, we can we can hide those under a menu or something,
[speaker002:] Oh, okay.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] okay.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Um new preferences preferences. Uh um um beep to find your control, was [disfmarker] that was [gap] in the test, the the most people uh f find it uh irritating uh when they cannot find a rem their remote control,
[speaker001:] That's like a button on your TV?
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] Remote, okay.
[speaker004:] so uh I think it's a bee beep to sound it and uh you can find it. And another thing uh they want was uh speech recognition um so they can say uh what they want to [disfmarker] let's go to channel one and uh that's uh kind of things.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] And they want maybe an uh LCD screen um to to look it um wh what's on every channel uh and uh what do I want with it?
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] We wanna have a little preview on the remote control. Preview what's on the channel.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Is that manageable? 'Cause it sounds pretty expensive too.
[speaker001:] That sounds too [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] It's possible, but uh I think it's expensive, but do continue.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker004:] Yeah. Um [disfmarker] Uh my personal preferences is uh a button for my favourite channel, so I can uh I dunno, so I can zap to my uh f uh quick uh to my favourite channel wh what I uh [disfmarker] so, the remote mu must see or um must um [vocalsound] see wha what mine preferences are for which channel,
[speaker001:] Okay, you don't set it yourself,
[speaker004:] so I can zap t to [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] it just remembers the channel that you are on most, for example.
[speaker004:] What?
[speaker001:] You want the [disfmarker] you want it to be programmed, for example
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] y programmed f or you want it to recognise your favourite channel?
[speaker004:] Yeah. Recognise [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Let's see, you you spend twenty minutes each day on that channel,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] so it recognises your favourite channel.
[speaker004:] Yeah, that's uh what my personal preference like.
[speaker001:] Okay, so it's it it does [disfmarker] it recognise itself, you don't have to set it [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] No,
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] itself. Maybe it's easier to [vocalsound] to sell it, but [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker004:] I don't know it's manageable, but we will uh we will see.
[speaker001:] I see.
[speaker004:] Yeah, it's a little bit uh it's the end of it. It's a little bit uh I lost it,
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker004:] the computer uh crashed,
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] No problem, it's it's okay,
[speaker004:] so.
[speaker001:] that's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Shall I go?
[speaker001:] Yeah, go ahead.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So, some technical functions.
[speaker004:] Darn computer.
[speaker002:] Basically I have some issues which you discussed earlier.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh let's just start with the method. [vocalsound] It sounds really easy, what does the user do, what does the th remote control do, but there are quite some issues. So the things I'm going to concentrate on are the user aspect, because the technical aspect, that's pretty much covered. We can do that. What goes wrong [vocalsound] at the user. Gets the remote control. Where is the remote control? We've all had it once, I want to watch some television,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] where's the remote control? That was one of your ideas which you posted in the network folder,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] That seems very good.
[speaker002:] a really good idea. Uh these are just the issues. I come to some uh personal experience, findings, possible solutions later. Searches for the button. There are many buttons on a remote control which are not clear. Uh so either we lose those or we try to make it a little bit more clear.
[speaker004:] Mm uh.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] Uh also symbols tend to fade after a while. There's nothing more annoying than faded symbols, because you don't know which channel is this button, so possibly we could find uh something for that,
[speaker001:] Okay, so have it more [disfmarker] make it more durable actually.
[speaker002:] yes.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] Uh covered that. Oh yes, user presses the button. Um usually when you have a lot of buttons, buttons are small. So you press more once remote control goes kablouey or something like that,
[speaker001:] Okay, so the buttons should be [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] so we have to pay attention not to put too mun too many buttons on uh the remote control. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Yeah.
[speaker002:] And possibly also the size, so more important buttons, bigger
[speaker001:] Wow. The s Yeah. Make it [disfmarker] make them bigger.
[speaker002:] si
[speaker001:] Even more durable uh.
[speaker002:] So this is basically what I h had in mind in the [disfmarker] fade-proof symbols, locator, a sound, uh so clear we should stick to existing symbols, but maybe we could do a little uh investigation to see whether some symbols are uh [disfmarker] need to be replaced by others. Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker002:] This I pretty much covered. [vocalsound] So what we want to go to is not this one, but more [disfmarker] less buttons, easy, some bigger buttons.
[speaker001:] Yeah, it's true.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So that's basically uh what I had in mind.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's clear.
[speaker002:] This is not the final design, this is just a general idea of how I'd like to see uh basically the general idea.
[speaker001:] No, of course uh [disfmarker] Yeah. I must say that it [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] So
[speaker001:] Hmm.
[speaker002:] that was it.
[speaker001:] That was it. Okay, that was good. So we agree on the the part that we need to get something on the on the remote to find it somewhere
[speaker002:] Yeah, I think it's a really good idea.
[speaker001:] and increase it [disfmarker] the durability of of the thing, so [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] The other aspects, we'll just see how [disfmarker] what you came up with and what's possible for that budget.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Okay, that's fine. Um. Okay, now work a little with me. Okay. Well, let's start it as it is.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Okay, uh the method. There are a few questions that need to be answered, uh you already uh talked about it a little bit. Which buttons are wanted, uh is our remote control universal or should it be programmable. Uh if it should be programmeab grammeale then we need um something like a mode that you can switch it. Because then the buttons have to send out a different signal then they would normally do.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] And uh how big is the remote control uh going to be? I'll tell you why that's important to me. Um there are a lot of technical parts in the remote control, so uh uh that's [vocalsound] why I also would like to say uh go a little bit easy on the designs, uh I heard ab uh you talking about beeps and about uh video screens, but uh the material inside and the technical aspects are quite complex already.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] So keep in mind that everything that you keep uh [disfmarker] think of, it has to b to be built. So it's [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Of course, hmm.
[speaker003:] that's not as easy as it s might look like.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker003:] Uh material study, I'm working on that um for the the costs. I have to check out how far I can go with that. Normally, a circuit board is made of fibreglass uh and the wires are made of copper. Uh that is how it is done and all the remote controls work that way, I think we can just go on with that. Um then I've read more integration of materials means less cost for the production. The more we can make uh at once uh in one piece, uh that is cheaper.
[speaker001:] You mean integrate them all into the circuit board.
[speaker003:] Exactly,
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] so if we make a circuit board with the the connections already on it, then that's cheaper.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, okay.
[speaker003:] So we have to [vocalsound] make something that's not too difficult in design again.
[speaker001:] So you have [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] This is what look like uh looks like if you press one button, so this is not the entire thing. You have the the power coming in, then you have like a switch. The switch uh uh [vocalsound] uh if you p press it then some electrical charge goes into the processor, that thinks over a Morse code, that's how you should see it. The Morse code goes to the amplifier, then uh the signal is sent to two uh light bulbs. You have infrared and an interv um [vocalsound] uh how to say it? Uh a light in indication, light that you know that it's functioning.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] Uh here again, that's my story about the different modes, if you do want to make remote uh universal, then the processor has to uh make up a different Morse code when some button is pressed. That makes it much more complex, so we really need to have a look, do we want that or not. Uh I don't have any personal p uh preferences uh so far, except for uh the materials to be used uh light, that they are light.
[speaker001:] Okay. Okay. That was it?
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] That was it.
[speaker001:] I'll get back to my thing then. Uh [disfmarker] Okay, back this up [disfmarker] to the screen. So I got some new information on the project specifications are changing a little. Like you said uh teletext is not not very popular anymore because the uh the internet, nowadays people don't use the teletext anymore or hardly, so it can either [disfmarker] Well, I don't think we should remove the button, because there are always people who are using it.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But I don't think it should be [vocalsound] very [disfmarker] it should be one of the big buttons for example. Just put it somewhere or under second option or whatever. It's not important anymore. Um we're targeting young people now, because our um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] This is a new product and with this new product we want to appeal to younger people,
[speaker004:] Uh.
[speaker001:] which are [disfmarker] um the younger people were defined under forty.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] I so I think it's [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] B
[speaker001:] that's also good with the fashion and everything, so yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah, and they want to pay for it and uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] They want to pay for it, people are willing to spend money actually to buy a um remote that they like.
[speaker004:] With more [disfmarker] Where [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] If they like the way it looks, the way it functions, so they're actually gonna spend uh spend money on it.
[speaker004:] with more technical specifications
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] in the [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [gap] [vocalsound] see how far we can go with it anyway, so
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [disfmarker] And one thing that should be important is that the corporate l colour and slogan are recognisable, which is apparently [vocalsound] black and yellow, but [disfmarker] I'm not sure if we [disfmarker] I think we should keep the the logo in mind, because with colours you can uh have a lot of uh fashionable colours and everything on it, which suits everybody's taste. So [disfmarker] With that concept I started thinking, so why not just steal Nokia's idea and just make changeable covers for your [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Oh.
[speaker001:] I mean those cost hardly anything I think,
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and people could even spend extra money on buying a cover and so have an entire new remote control that they like to see. Or we can sh for example we can make a different [vocalsound] [disfmarker] a basic design. And sell the covers separately, for example. That's just a little marketing idea that could be applied, so you can p it appeals to really everyone. So you don't have to [disfmarker] I think you don't have to make entire remote controls. We make a basic one and manufacture this cover separately.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] So that was that was my idea on what we could do to appeal this product to everyone.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] So just [disfmarker] I'm not sure if you came up with anything in the meantime, after making a presentation.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Would you like to share?
[speaker003:] No, I think this is a good idea.
[speaker001:] Okay.
[speaker003:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] But [disfmarker] oh?
[speaker002:] Is it manageable? Is it easy?
[speaker003:] Go ahead.
[speaker004:] Yeah, with with an LCD screen you can [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Oh yeah. I think we should lose the LCD screen,
[speaker003:] Y Yes, I think so too.
[speaker001:] like you said.
[speaker004:] Why?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I think for example it's it's huge [disfmarker] I think the LCD is huge,
[speaker004:] Nokia w
[speaker001:] it consumes batteries like hell.
[speaker004:] Uh.
[speaker001:] I think it takes up a lot of a lot of power.
[speaker002:] And it costs too much to fabricate,
[speaker001:] It costs a lot, I think.
[speaker002:] so we're on a tight budget here.
[speaker003:] Okay, uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] What we could do, what could be possible, is maybe not an LCD screen but with a preview, but y I'm not sure if it's even possible [vocalsound].
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] For example, a little TV guide.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Like you have a little [disfmarker] just just a text only, not colour, just a little text thing
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] so you can use your remote as a TV guide. I'm not sure it's even possible,
[speaker003:] Hmm. I have to check that out,
[speaker001:] but maybe okay, make it [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] I'm not sure.
[speaker001:] Yeah, find a little compromise in that, but [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] What did I write down? I think the p yeah, the beep is a very simple thing to imple implement, just make a button on your TV
[speaker003:] That must be possible.
[speaker001:] and just hit the button, it beeps somewhere. I think it's easy to implement,
[speaker003:] Ja.
[speaker001:] we should go for that.
[speaker003:] I'm sorry, whe where do you wanna hit the T [disfmarker] you wanna [vocalsound] [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] And it's [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Uh speech recognition.
[speaker003:] we want a button on the television. [gap]
[speaker001:] I thin [vocalsound] Yeah, I mean where else should you put it?
[speaker003:] In th okay, but that rules out a universal remote control. Because that's not possible uh.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but [vocalsound] how are you gonna use that if your [disfmarker] I mean if your remote control is lost, how are you gonna press [disfmarker] where are you gonna press the button?
[speaker003:] Uh. Yeah. Exactly.
[speaker002:] Maybe just a slap-on sticker with a button which sends out a small signal.
[speaker001:] A slap-on sticker. Oh, you mean as like a separate thing you can attach to your TV.
[speaker004:] Mm uh.
[speaker002:] Yeah, exactly.
[speaker001:] Yeah, that could be possible. A little little box you can attach to your TV is fine then, okay.
[speaker003:] Okay, then uh I'd I'd like to know now if we want the uh universal remote control or not, because that's uh determines everything I'm gonna do.
[speaker001:] I think it's universal. I think we should go for universal,
[speaker003:] If not [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] because apparently we're a separate company making separate c remote controls to sell to a lot of diverse people.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I think universal remote control should be possible.
[speaker004:] Um [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Okay,
[speaker004:] Everyone uh wants to buy it,
[speaker003:] then I go for that.
[speaker004:] so we w
[speaker001:] Yeah, I think we're targeting everyone,
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] yeah.
[speaker001:] so remote [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Okay. No, it's fine with me, but then I know what to look for.
[speaker001:] Okay, universal is good. Speech recognition, I think it's very hard, because we're selling across multiple countries. So I think implementing speech recognition is such a small um apparatus, it's very hard to do.
[speaker004:] Yeah. Or one. Or when you say one two uh i it uh it's enough,
[speaker002:] And it's [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, but I don't see Arabian people speaking one, two uh whatever.
[speaker004:] right? But [disfmarker] Oh yeah.
[speaker002:] Besides that, the technology isn't really super yet, so that [vocalsound] is a problem in implementing this.
[speaker001:] It's [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah. It's not a mature technology,
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay.
[speaker001:] I think it takes a lot of memory and everything in in a remote control,
[speaker002:] It's a good idea,
[speaker001:] so [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] but it's just not [disfmarker] I don't think the market's ripe for that yet.
[speaker001:] I don't think it should be implemented in a remote control yet uh.
[speaker003:] Uh-huh.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] What else do we have? Um well you should you should look into the in into the materials that are real durable.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker001:] So the the the symbols won't fade, maybe a little harder plastic
[speaker003:] Exactly. I already noted that.
[speaker001:] or especially li we don't [disfmarker] maybe we don't have have to do all the buttons, but especially the ones that are um the popular buttons,
[speaker003:] Mm, okay. Okay.
[speaker001:] so those always fade first. Mm the thing is the most important things that we have now.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Let's see.
[speaker003:] If we uh make a remote control with changeable covers, then we can also make uh a cover for every language area. That's fo [vocalsound] is
[speaker001:] For example?
[speaker003:] uh especially for older people, that they can read it read it in their own language.
[speaker001:] Well, we're not we're not targeting older people,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] we should remember that. Everything we target is under forty,
[speaker003:] That's [disfmarker] okay, okay.
[speaker001:] so. You assume that that they read correctly and I think they're [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Huh.
[speaker001:] The most important thing about young people is that they're really sensitive to to trends that are passing through the world,
[speaker004:] But b
[speaker003:] Uh okay.
[speaker001:] so [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] But should the exchangeable covers include the buttons themselves or just the [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] No, of course. No, I think it's just something you you put over them, because [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Yeah we c Yeah, you ca Well,
[speaker004:] But every [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] C
[speaker001:] tha that's not a that's not a bad [disfmarker] that's not even [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] that's a problem with the with the text then.
[speaker001:] it's not even a bad idea.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] I mean, for example, if you're if you're into the durability issue you could [disfmarker] For example, if your buttons are faded, after [disfmarker] I mean if you make a durable remote, they are faded, you can just buy a new cover.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] Uh I'm not sure it's it's hard to make.
[speaker003:] Okay. [vocalsound] Uh but I know that the buttons are like a Nokia telephone on uh one sleeve,
[speaker001:] So it's a good and a bad idea.
[speaker003:] so you don't have to change your whole cover.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] Uh we can make something that you can only remove the sleeve. Know what I mean?
[speaker004:] Oh.
[speaker002:] Oh yeah, I know what you mean.
[speaker003:] It works the same as a Nokia telephone, it's it's in my uh [disfmarker] 'kay.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I know, it's just just a one one piece of rubber for example,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Exactly.
[speaker001:] okay. Yeah,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] that's what I [disfmarker] something I have to look into. Either either change both the buttons and and the cover or just the cover, I'm not sure which which is easier,
[speaker003:] Hmm. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] so [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Um anyway, yeah, this is what we're gonna do afterwards, just lunch break and have more individual work after that, so let's see what we [disfmarker] let's see we [disfmarker] So you have to come up with a components concept, yeah. I want some [disfmarker] you should do some trend-watching, because even if we're if we're gonna do those covers and everything, what people really want, that's what we need to know in this phase,
[speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker001:] because that's gonna be the essential final design that we're gonna come up with.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Um [disfmarker] Yeah, I think user interface is fairly obvious. I mean it should be very intuitive,
[speaker002:] Pretty straightforward.
[speaker001:] s Yeah, it should speak for itself. Uh for example I bought a remote control last week with a new TV, it was it l it's like all buttons and you have no idea what it does at first,
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] and I'm [gap] total TV new, anyway. So I think it should be [disfmarker] have less or l very little buttons and maybe a second [vocalsound] second level menu for the advanced things. Or maybe just stick 'em under a menu, like you said the um [vocalsound] the sound options and the surround and whatever, they're more complicated, just stick 'em under one menu and uh give it a [disfmarker] just put it in in s in a software piece, you can menu and you can uh select everything you want to to set on your TV.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] Is it techni technically possible to uh [vocalsound] send a signal to a television and then pops up a menu,
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] because we're working with different types of television, so we're going to work with that?
[speaker001:] That is true.
[speaker003:] I don't think so.
[speaker001:] No, that's true.
[speaker003:] No, I don't think so. Because the television needs to respond to the signal,
[speaker001:] Yeah, that's true.
[speaker002:] It's an in-built menu,
[speaker003:] and if it doesn't know how, it's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] isn't it? Yes.
[speaker003:] Exactly, that's not possible.
[speaker002:] So basically we [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I'm not sure if it's impossible, but uh there's a chance it's not, so.
[speaker002:] Or we could use a double-sided [disfmarker] for [vocalsound] less used functions you [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] A double-sided remote control?
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker001:] I don't think that's useful.
[speaker002:] with the cover. [vocalsound] I it's basically an idea to overcome these issues, because [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, but then you're gonna have a lot of wasted buttons. For example you have a Sony TV and the half of the buttons won't function if you have a [disfmarker] for a Sony that won't [disfmarker] for a Philips TV.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker002:] No, but basic functions [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] but functions which are not frequently used. Because if we use a universal remote control, we're going to have to have most buttons on it,
[speaker001:] I don't think we should [disfmarker] Yeah, for exam
[speaker002:] so [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Mm yeah.
[speaker001:] I'm not s yeah, for ex you have to make it a little decision between the part if you want a universal remote control that [disfmarker] it should do what people usually do with their TVs, not not the very complicated settings
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] that you can usually do that with uh either a old old remote control if they really hate that thing,
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] but you can't you cannot take into consideration all the different brands of TVs.
[speaker003:] But that might be broken.
[speaker001:] I think there's I think there is a standard for example between uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [gap] Hmm.
[speaker001:] because usually the the menu is [disfmarker] the menu button is is usable between different brands. Especially the big ones, the big brands,
[speaker003:] Hmm. Hmm.
[speaker001:] so. 'Cause everybody [disfmarker] I have a universal remote control and it can use the menu button,
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] so I think [disfmarker] I'm not sure, if you can put some research into that, if it's possible. Uh I think just a b
[speaker003:] Mm okay. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] and the navigation is very basic,
[speaker003:] Mm. But I think there must be a way uh to invoke the more complicated functions of a television.
[speaker001:] it's usually the same thing.
[speaker003:] For instance, if your old remote control is broken and you buy ours, then uh you should be able to get everything out of the television that's in it.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah, that's true. I think so
[speaker004:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Because otherwise you'll lose functions by buying our [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] uh we need to put some research into that if if we can open the menu, I think it's possible,
[speaker003:] Okay,
[speaker001:] just the way how to.
[speaker003:] I thi I think so too.
[speaker004:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah, then then you could do everything I suppose, because usually the TVs have tha that inside in this other little piece of software, so it's okay.
[speaker003:] And I think that our r remote control should not look like uh any other. For instance uh Sony makes all their remote controls exactly the same for all their devices,
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] and you always grab the wrong one because formatting of the buttons is exactly the same, only the labels are different.
[speaker001:] Yeah. Yeah I think it should be a little distinct from everything else,
[speaker003:] We should not do that. Exactly.
[speaker001:] because it's [disfmarker] either it's both [gap] mayb
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah, I have some ideas. I have some ideas.
[speaker001:] maybe the shape can be a little different. Maybe it's a little more curves or whatever.
[speaker004:] Um [disfmarker] yeah.
[speaker003:] Mm that's your uh division. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] And uh with different colours uh.
[speaker001:] So um [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] I'll put some on paper and present them next time uh the ideas that I have.
[speaker001:] Yeah, this [gap]. Not sure what [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] because we have forty minutes, I'm not sure how much time we have left for the meeting anyway, so.
[speaker002:] I heard a beep go.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but it wasn't me, it was him closing something.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So anyway, yeah, we could do some i do some work now on on the design for example. I mean what do you want, do you want [gap], but [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah, but we like some some curves or [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, may maybe something like this. But though smooth inside. So you have the transmitter here for example.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Let's see that you [disfmarker] what would be handy.
[speaker004:] Uh. And a light uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I think that the [vocalsound] the buttons should be [disfmarker] the channel buttons should be [vocalsound] uh on their own. Let's see one, two [disfmarker] God damn it.
[speaker002:] Oh, we get the general ideas, yes.
[speaker001:] Yeah, okay. [vocalsound] Another one here. Let's see what [disfmarker] I think this should [disfmarker] these are always on top of the of the control,
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] so they should be here.
[speaker002:] Yeah, and since you're holding it like this, I suggest you put the channel up channel down and volume [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Think it's like this. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Volume.
[speaker001:] Withi within the [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] yeah yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah, just take it.
[speaker002:] So you have the up channel [vocalsound] the down channel [disfmarker] the volume, do we want that horizontal or vertical?
[speaker001:] Do you take triangles or [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Uh it's it's fine, I think.
[speaker001:] Um I think it should be I think it [vocalsound] [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] This is basically what people are accustomed to,
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] so [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Maybe we should make 'em bigger or whatever.
[speaker002:] Yeah, but this is just a g general idea.
[speaker004:] Oh d [gap]
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh maybe the menu button can go i in the middle.
[speaker001:] Yeah, in the middle. It's it's usually uh there, but [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Whoa.
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker003:] Perhaps we should also make uh something like a flash on it, if you [disfmarker] if it's lost, for people that are deaf. They they won't hear the the beep.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but for example if it's lost in your armchair, we'll not see the flash.
[speaker002:] You won't be able to find it. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And flash takes up a lot of batteries again.
[speaker003:] Uh. Yeah, it's true, but it's it's only has to do so when you press the button that it's lost.
[speaker004:] Just [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] We could make a combination that it goes beep and that you [disfmarker] that some light lights up.
[speaker003:] So.
[speaker004:] And LED uh on it.
[speaker003:] [gap] deaf people?
[speaker001:] Yeah, I thought about for deaf people for example, so. We could do that.
[speaker004:] Just a light on it
[speaker001:] Uh let's see.
[speaker004:] or [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] So we have the basic channels we've got here, uh the power button somewhere over here?
[speaker001:] Oh yeah, it's true. Um that thing should be central.
[speaker004:] Very important.
[speaker001:] You shouldn't be [disfmarker] you uh shouldn't press it by accident, but it shouldn't be stacked away somewhere.
[speaker004:] Oh,
[speaker002:] I usually press it on top.
[speaker004:] that's [disfmarker] It's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] At least that's what I'm accustomed to.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] I have another idea,
[speaker001:] Yeah, like that's gonna work. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] I'm not sure if it's possible.
[speaker004:] And [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] What would you like to [gap]?
[speaker001:] Yeah, I thought maybe we should move the buttons down
[speaker004:] But you r
[speaker001:] and put it here for example
[speaker004:] And you are reading from the t
[speaker001:] to [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] you always read from the top to the the bottom of it.
[speaker001:] From top to bottom. Yeah, that's true,
[speaker004:] Yeah, so it's [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] you should [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] I think the bu the power button should be on top, 'cause it's the first thing you do [vocalsound], turn it on.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] So power button on top. Um [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Okay, mute button. Is that somewhere here?
[speaker001:] Mute. Do we hardly [disfmarker] I think it should be at the bottom somewhere.
[speaker002:] Is that used often?
[speaker004:] So i it's [disfmarker] sorry?
[speaker002:] The mute button? Do people use that often?
[speaker001:] Mute. Turn the sound off.
[speaker004:] No, it's [disfmarker] no. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] 'Cause uh I'm pretty much accustomed to it [vocalsound] right over here, at least in general,
[speaker004:] Uh. Hmm.
[speaker002:] but [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] I don't think it's important,
[speaker002:] It's not that important, no.
[speaker001:] [gap] but I think it I think it should be [disfmarker] you c you could put it somewhere here.
[speaker004:] Or or with the volume selection. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] No, because it [disfmarker] Yeah,
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Around uh not uh not at top at the [disfmarker] around the volume selection.
[speaker001:] people are accustomed to that, it's [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Can I have that?
[speaker004:] I don't know where exactly,
[speaker002:] Sure.
[speaker001:] That's j
[speaker004:] but [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Take this out and here see [disfmarker] Uh are we gonna take triangles anyway? I'm drawing triangles, but [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] That's pretty much what people are accustomed to, aren't they?
[speaker001:] Yeah, it's maybe a bigger lesser than thing. So anyway, I think this is [disfmarker] should be the channels and [disfmarker] or sh
[speaker004:] Wha
[speaker002:] Well, I'm accustomed to the channels being on top.
[speaker004:] No. Yeah.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Here,
[speaker003:] Yeah, me too.
[speaker001:] okay. Okay,
[speaker004:] Yeah, that's better. On the right.
[speaker001:] should we chan okay, [vocalsound] this two, channel up and down.
[speaker003:] Shall we uh also look if it's possible to make a rechargeable remote? That you don't have to buy new batteries if every [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Well, for [disfmarker] that is it's on one part it's um it's a good thing to recharge it [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Maybe it's more ex expensive.
[speaker003:] Mm, yeah.
[speaker001:] Maybe we should [disfmarker] what what could be possible is one with rechargeable batteries for example.
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker001:] You have [disfmarker] just put Penlite batteries that are rechargeable,
[speaker003:] But that's already possible.
[speaker001:] because it's an it's it's it's very annoying.
[speaker002:] But isn't that expensive in the entire package?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I'm not sure y [vocalsound] I'm not sure it's [disfmarker] if it's expensive, but just take a look at it, because it might be a very good idea. Because if [disfmarker] it's it's uh useful to have it rechargeable,
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker003:] Yes.
[speaker001:] but at the same time, if you don't want recha if you forgot to recharge it and you wanna watch TV now, you wanna be able to put different batteries in it, use it now and not in half an hour.
[speaker003:] Yes. Okay. Uh you could make a device, but I'm not sure how that uh is possible with the costs, that you can put in normal batteries, rechargeable, but it [disfmarker] you're [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I think I have a nice idea.
[speaker003:] the remote also can act as a recharger. So then you can choose, you have every decision. Know what I mean?
[speaker001:] Not exactly uh.
[speaker003:] You can uh put in normal Penlites, rechargeable Penlites,
[speaker004:] Hmm.
[speaker003:] but they can also be recharged with the remote, with a wire.
[speaker004:] Yeah yeah.
[speaker001:] I think it's uh it's a pretty good idea
[speaker003:] So [disfmarker] but [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] to have uh like sort of a [disfmarker] maybe a base station that you put on the TV. Could be flat, you could insert your uh remote into it.
[speaker004:] Yeah, that's g
[speaker003:] But I think that will cost a lot. Uh a normal wire would be better.
[speaker001:] I'm not sure.
[speaker003:] Like a like a PDA, a hand-held. You can uh just put it in the electricity and it charges itself,
[speaker001:] A what?
[speaker003:] you don't need basic station.
[speaker001:] Well, we were talking about the fact that we wanted to insert either a beep or a flash into the thing with a little separate signal
[speaker003:] Yes.
[speaker001:] or [disfmarker] So you could put that on a TV for example.
[speaker003:] That is possible, that's true.
[speaker001:] It could be very flat,
[speaker004:] But [disfmarker] Which [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] could be very small. It's a very small [disfmarker] Yeah, I'm drawing it big now, but [disfmarker] So you can put your remote on flat for example.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And at the backside of remote just just just a little hole
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] for example um you just [vocalsound] put it down, it recharges for example.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I don't think it's very expensive.
[speaker002:] But again, isn't that too expensive?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] 'Cause that means that we have to implement rechargeable batteries, a docking station [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] I'm not sure if it costs a lot, that that's what he r
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] That's that you [disfmarker] that's what you buy yourself.
[speaker003:] Yes. I'm going to try to find that out. I'm not sure if there's information available on this,
[speaker001:] It's just an idea,
[speaker004:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] we have to find out if it's possible.
[speaker003:] but [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] And do people actually want that? To pay extra [disfmarker] they want to pay for rechargeable?
[speaker004:] Yeah, they want to pay for it.
[speaker001:] Do they want [disfmarker] but they want a rechargeable one?
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] I'm not sure, you should find out if it's [disfmarker] if rechargeable is important.
[speaker004:] Th uh there was not a el ask esque [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Hmm. These are uh comfort issues.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] So I think people will pay [disfmarker] they wanted to pay for comfort. Well, this is comfort.
[speaker001:] They want to pay for comfort, we just assu we we could either make a separate station which just sends a signal to the remote control to either beep or flash to find it,
[speaker004:] But f hmm.
[speaker003:] Yes.
[speaker001:] um and [disfmarker] Yeah, we have to [disfmarker] either that or make it integrated with a with a docking station.
[speaker003:] Hmm. Yeah. Exactly. I think this is a brilliant product. I would buy it myself.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] I think it would be good actually. I like the beep part [vocalsound] anyway.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker001:] So um
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] let's go through the [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] I like the covers. That's a brilliant idea.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Can can we save this or [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] I never thought [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Covers is covers is good. Yeah, it's [disfmarker] Oh we can save this. Up and saved. We even saved the ant.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [gap] Um [disfmarker] [vocalsound] Okay. So
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] what we have is [disfmarker] you have [disfmarker] I think you have [vocalsound] to do a lot of work on if it's possible for the cost.
[speaker003:] I hope if I have information about that,
[speaker001:] Maybe [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] I'm gonna [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] yeah, or [vocalsound] maybe you can find out i what people are willing to pay.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] We are going for twenty five Euros sales price,
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker004:] Yeah, okay.
[speaker001:] but just try to find out what they're willing to pay for it,
[speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah.
[speaker001:] because if they're willing to pay more, we could lose a little profit and maybe attract more customers,
[speaker003:] Mm. [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker001:] uh we just have to see what it looks like.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] I would like to make a decision [gap]. What it costs and what kind of materials that we can uh choose what we want in it
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Yeah, if you have some financial information that that'd be nice,
[speaker003:] and [disfmarker] exactly, I need it.
[speaker001:] so. Hmm. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Could you post some [vocalsound] other essentials of what people want, so that I can work with some buttons, where to put it [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] You seem to have information on that, I'd like to uh see some of it.
[speaker003:] Was it not possible to uh send emails around the office?
[speaker001:] No, it wasn't wasn't allo
[speaker002:] No, it's not. No.
[speaker003:] Not [gap].
[speaker001:] it was possible, not allowed, so. So that's um why I'm not sure that [vocalsound] you're allowed to share documents on the on the draft.
[speaker004:] Yeah. My computer crashed, so uh
[speaker003:] Yeah, okay.
[speaker001:] I don't care.
[speaker004:] I lost my uh presentation,
[speaker001:] I haven't heard any complaints yet,
[speaker002:] Oh, your computer. Okay.
[speaker001:] so. Um [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] but I have the uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Well, I have your PowerPoint presentation, I can get some inf information out of that.
[speaker004:] Yeah, but I Here I have the the s the homepage of uh our internet,
[speaker002:] Let's see.
[speaker001:] Yeah, the oh, they inc uh
[speaker004:] and here is my
[speaker001:] they include the new one. [vocalsound] Or just for you.
[speaker002:] Oh, where would we [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] here is my marketing report, maybe you ca you can look at uh [vocalsound] that
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Oh no, I didn't have that.
[speaker004:] and [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Where would we want the uh teletext button?
[speaker004:] Ah yeah.
[speaker002:] Because we decided that it's n not that important.
[speaker004:] And one [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] All it tells [gap] just [disfmarker] let's make make a new [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Do we put it somewhere over here?
[speaker001:] tick the new one. [vocalsound] Um other side. Yeah, let's increase it a little because [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] And uh wha what people want, I've uh
[speaker002:] Or maybe this is something for the next meeting, I can draw out some ideas.
[speaker001:] Yeah, draw us up some some designs of of possible [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] I have another thing uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] just keep in mind that the important buttons should be on top and either big,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] so the more [disfmarker] less important [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Well, we have decided [vocalsound] more or less the basic structure.
[speaker001:] More or less.
[speaker002:] I can put the other buttons in [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Just play a little with this, put l shift a little up or down
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and we'll see what looks best.
[speaker003:] What uh what did you wanna say?
[speaker001:] Or just po post your designs from time to time on the product share.
[speaker004:] Yeah. Um [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh what I al already said is the the uh the remote controls are always lost,
[speaker002:] Maybe another idea uh.
[speaker004:] but it it's also for people, [vocalsound] they want to learn it fast, not uh [disfmarker] they want to [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Mm. Mm.
[speaker001:] Yeah, so we don't want [gap] we want very little buttons, just the buttons you use a lot.
[speaker004:] No
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker004:] It's [disfmarker] yeah, it's easy to learn
[speaker002:] Yes, but it should cover all the functions,
[speaker004:] wi and uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] so possibly, just an idea that popped in [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Well what [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Um [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] we had function that what people do, so. People change channels, people [vocalsound] [disfmarker] they change the volume and they they change channel, they turn TV off and on, for example. That's the basic fu that's what you do [disfmarker] I'm not sure who present that again, but those are the basic function that people use it for, so those should be very well represented.
[speaker002:] Yeah,
[speaker004:] And [disfmarker] The [disfmarker] If [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] but we could go a step further, because some TVs have the uh possibility to adjust brightness, that kind of menus.
[speaker001:] That's true, but that's what we stick under the menu button. Everything is [disfmarker] you say in every TV that's configured under the menu.
[speaker002:] Yes, but it [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] But that's the question,
[speaker002:] Because we're making [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] is it?
[speaker004:] Um [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Because it needs to be configured in the television under the menu.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] If it isn't, then we cannot reach it.
[speaker002:] We need to adjust to the [vocalsound] technology.
[speaker001:] But I think most modern TVs have it in their menu.
[speaker003:] I think so too. I think so too.
[speaker002:] True.
[speaker003:] Uh isn't there a possibility to do research on that, so we know that for sure? If you rule out functions, then uh [disfmarker] and that gets known, then people are not gonna buy it.
[speaker004:] [gap]
[speaker003:] Then the consumer bond or something says uh you cannot do this and that with it.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] No, I thi
[speaker004:] If um [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] That's a bad bad com [vocalsound] commercial
[speaker001:] Uh we'll we'll see what we can come up with.
[speaker003:] for [vocalsound] [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Another thing I want to say is that uh we are looking at the market for the age uh [vocalsound] younger than forty.
[speaker003:] okay.
[speaker001:] Under forty. Yeah?
[speaker003:] That's true.
[speaker004:] Um on my report, [vocalsound] I didn't uh [vocalsound] ish I didn't show it in my uh presentation,
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] because my computer crashed.
[speaker001:] Yeah yeah.
[speaker004:] Um they want to pay for an LCD screen and speech recognition.
[speaker003:] Hmm. Hmm.
[speaker001:] The want to pay for [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] So
[speaker001:] Oh.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Did they really said it like that? Those two things.
[speaker004:] i yeah. Yeah, and [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Do they realise how much that costs? [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Uh shall we?
[speaker003:] That's almost undoable.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Oh, we're not going to be able to sell it for twenty-five then, with an LCD screen.
[speaker001:] Younger, age sixteen and forty five.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh but [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] That's all here, here it says [vocalsound] [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] No, that's that's [gap]. Even if i if we have this lost unit, then we cannot do it for that price.
[speaker001:] Yeah, age sixteen forty fi interest in main features more critical.
[speaker004:] If if they [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay, so we're not focusing on this. Um [disfmarker] All the interest in features, not really the LC [disfmarker] oh here. Would you pay for uh speech recognition in a remote control. Hmm, okay?
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah, that's true.
[speaker004:] So uh
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] we can
[speaker001:] Speech recognition is quite [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] We can look at the possibilities for an uh LCD and uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, just look at the possibilities then,
[speaker004:] I dunno. Yeah.
[speaker001:] because if [disfmarker] apparently it's what people want,
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker004:] How much it will cost
[speaker001:] it's supposed to be a luxurious remote,
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker004:] and [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] maybe it's not even that expensive. Or find a compromise, maybe just a black and white or [disfmarker] for some extra information on it, on your programmes.
[speaker003:] Uh I [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Um [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Well I doubt it, but [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] But I really need finance information.
[speaker001:] Me too. [vocalsound] I mean we all do. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] It will come uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] We all do. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Right. I think it's something we should put into consideration. Apparently it's what people want, so.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] We should see if [disfmarker] what it costs, if it's possible.
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Yeah, we should do a little thing about design, because it looks boring really to me. Even if you put it [disfmarker] even if you put a different cover on it, it looks [disfmarker] still looks boring,
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Different colours maybe.
[speaker001:] so.
[speaker003:] Hmm. And the design, it should differ.
[speaker004:] But all [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] This is Philips, huh? Philips has this.
[speaker001:] I have no clue.
[speaker002:] Well,
[speaker001:] I just drew something what [disfmarker] which would fit into your hand easily.
[speaker002:] I had basically [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Okay. Hmm. Uh.
[speaker002:] Something like this. To make it kind of futuristic.
[speaker003:] Mm. Oh, I realise if we make it small, then it needs to be a little thicker,
[speaker001:] I think it's a very [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] because I need to put all the electronics in it.
[speaker001:] Sorry?
[speaker003:] If we make it s uh smaller, uh less wide, then we need to m make it a little thicker,
[speaker001:] Yeah?
[speaker003:] because I have to put all the electronics in it.
[speaker001:] Okay. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but you have to j just keep in mind it shouldn't be too heavy.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] I mean we can stick it in in there, I think.
[speaker003:] No.
[speaker001:] Huh
[speaker002:] So what kind of [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] even if [disfmarker] in the worst case we can even [disfmarker] Could you give me the pen back?
[speaker002:] Yeah, sure.
[speaker001:] So let's say that people would want an LCD thing. Let's take take the basic design again, what we [disfmarker] oh, crap [disfmarker] uh came up with. I'll just make it a little bigger now. So a transmitter here. Anyway. We could [disfmarker] let's say we have an LCD screen, people want an LCD screen. So then we should probably put it here.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] It doesn't have to be really big, but just just have to be [disfmarker] has to be there.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Think it's a good place, people don't [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] If you're reading from top to bottom, I think it's better to put it uh at the top.
[speaker001:] No? It's not that uh [disfmarker] it's not the most important function,
[speaker003:] Me too.
[speaker004:] It's j [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] it's just an extra thing,
[speaker003:] Ah
[speaker001:] it just [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Uh. But i if you if you are going to uh put the LCD on it, [vocalsound] I think it's very important to use it,
[speaker001:] you press the buttons on top,
[speaker003:] but [gap].
[speaker001:] because your finger is on top.
[speaker004:] uh because it's [vocalsound] [disfmarker] use it uh
[speaker001:] How can you use an LCD screen?
[speaker004:] But nee the function of it. [vocalsound] So you can use it maximum, because uh it's a lot [disfmarker] it costs a lot. So [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah, but why I [disfmarker] I'm not sure.
[speaker002:] Now it's pretty much tucked away in your hand.
[speaker001:] Uh if you t if you press a button, you can see it,
[speaker003:] Hmm. No.
[speaker001:] ri I'm not sure wha I'm trying to imagine myself what it would look like.
[speaker003:] M I personally would prefer it on the top.
[speaker002:] I'm [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] You would prefer it
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] n Okay.
[speaker003:] Huh.
[speaker001:] So we have three people saying it should be on top. Okay,
[speaker003:] But it [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] but then you would would s have to stack away your buttons somewhere else.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Anyways.
[speaker004:] It's expensive to build it, so
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker001:] Uh this looks a little [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] you must use the maximum of it.
[speaker002:] I'm still not convinced of the [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] About the LCDs thing.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] Well if it if it's if it's possible wi if it's not too expensive, we should include it,
[speaker003:] They want it uh.
[speaker001:] because it's it's cool. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] We should just try to make that if it's possible. If it is possible we should really do it, but we need that information.
[speaker004:] Huh. Uh. But uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Also keep in mind again, the LCD screen is very flat, but it needs transistors, resistors, I don't know what more and that needs space. So I have to look if that's possible.
[speaker004:] Yeah, I know uh.
[speaker003:] But if we [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] So basically [disfmarker] can I [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Uh we have green now uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] what we have to decide now is uh what goes on top. Do we put the volume control and the channel control here, or do we put it on he Would we like to press it in the middle?
[speaker004:] In middle of it.
[speaker001:] Or maybe we should m we could uh draw draw something a bit [disfmarker] that has it on on on the bottom.
[speaker004:] In the middle.
[speaker001:] Maybe in a circle for example, like we [disfmarker] like in this example. I think this is not good, but for [disfmarker] we could make circular buttons for example. For up and down, ma make it a circle on it,
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker002:] Yes, but we do agree that we [vocalsound] keep this at the centre,
[speaker001:] because it [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker002:] because it's basically the most important function.
[speaker001:] I think the channel button should be in the centre.
[speaker004:] It's the most import yeah.
[speaker001:] Channel button should be st stick together, for example here in this section. Because it's uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Well, that would make them quite small.
[speaker001:] We're not sure about the size anyway,
[speaker002:] So maybe you'd put them here.
[speaker001:] just a general design. You can make it as big as you want. For example if you take uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yes, but a big remote control probably not something which people would like.
[speaker003:] Hmm.
[speaker001:] No, let's see. For example just [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] If we have a a space issue, we can also lose one battery. It is rechargeable, so we can stick with one instead of two.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] [gap].
[speaker003:] That might be an option.
[speaker001:] I don't think if we if we even use an LCD screen, we need to, definitely.
[speaker003:] Yeah, but if we need two batteries and an LCD screen, that means a lot of space that we need.
[speaker001:] Yeah, but we have to see what the si what the size is.
[speaker003:] But it has to be a little bit heavier. Okay.
[speaker001:] The LCD doesn't have to nee doesn't need to be very big.
[speaker004:] [gap] [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] No, but the things behind it. [gap] space.
[speaker001:] Mm let's see.
[speaker003:] Like a process uh.
[speaker004:] Finish meeting now. It's on your computer.
[speaker001:] Finish meeting now. Okay, we will.
[speaker002:] So would we like this
[speaker001:] So either [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] or would we like the [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] We either we have to decide what what people want.
[speaker003:] I like this one more.
[speaker001:] Either this one, this this could be the luxurious one. So we have channel buttons here. I'm just drawing something uh. Uh [disfmarker] I think this would this would look cool. You could have it for example [disfmarker] small buttons here for some extra functions,
[speaker004:] Uh.
[speaker001:] so if your basic function's here, we should [disfmarker] like we decided before, programmes up and down, and volume here.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] Let's see what we have here.
[speaker004:] Or [disfmarker] And uh what about speech recognition uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] Well you can just [disfmarker] no, I'm not sure if we can do that,
[speaker004:] Yeah, yeah,
[speaker001:] but we could put a microphone in here for example.
[speaker004:] but [disfmarker] or or an LCD or an uh speech.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker004:] I think it's [disfmarker] LCD is better now.
[speaker001:] Just to do research into both, w what it costs and what it takes for space.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] I'll try to.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But let's cut the meeting for now yes.
[speaker003:] One more uh thing I'd like to say, uh let's give this uh a name, and not like some vague serial number that no one understands, like with cars.
[speaker002:] Okay.
[speaker004:] Yeah, okay, yeah,
[speaker003:] Shall we all try uh to think about a name?
[speaker002:] So I think of a name.
[speaker004:] that's [vocalsound] [disfmarker] yeah, that's okay.
[speaker001:] Yeah, let's think of a name, okay. Uh okay.
[speaker004:] Oh, good.
[speaker001:] Okay, at anyways,
[speaker002:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] the the minutes will be on the on the web shortly, so there we go uh.
[speaker002:] Yes, go and finish up and I'll see you at lunch.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Good luck.
[speaker001:] Yeah, to all.
[speaker004:] Same.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [gap]
[speaker003:] Yeah, I've [disfmarker] Do we uh save the [gap]?
[speaker001:] [gap]
[speaker004:] [gap]. [gap].