[speaker001:] Okay, welcome everyone to our next meeting. I'm busy writing and busy leading the meeting, but um I've prepared a little presentation once again um or at least an agenda I think uh the biggest part of the presentation will be uh on your side. Um we are here at the conceptual design meeting, which is hereby opened. Um once again I will try to uh write some minutes which I just from the previous meeting uh placed inside our project folder, which was quite some typing. Um today we once again have uh three presentations, if I'm right, and after that we will take a decision on the remote control concepts. And just as the last time we have forty minutes to accomplish that. Okay, well
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] I'd say let's start with the first presentation.
[speaker004:] 'Kay.
[speaker001:] Um in the same order as last time?
[speaker003:] W sure.
[speaker002:] Mm. Alright.
[speaker001:] Okay. Well, take it away.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [gap] [vocalsound] Okay uh welcome you all.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Components design, um [vocalsound] uh first of all uh I would like to uh uh accommodate some of those uh things I uh uh [disfmarker] elaborate some of the things I did. I I elaborated on the concept. What should be um uh said about uh the components, uh its properties and what kind of materials should we use to uh to make uh one of those r remote controls. Uh well first of all I've uh d subtracted some of the components that is that are used uh are w w um [vocalsound] you know from what uh the remote control's formed. Uh first of all, the case, the case, the surrounding of the of the the remote control. [vocalsound] I would like to uh give you an idea of uh how I thought about.
[speaker004:] Don't destroy my giraffe.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Giraffe's gone now.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Okay um the case was is made from rubber, I suppose. There's one of the [disfmarker] because when you use a remote control a lot of people uh will uh will uh drop their remote control
[speaker004:] Drop it.
[speaker003:] and they break uh
[speaker002:] Hmm.
[speaker003:] becau the uh titanium was also an option. But uh it's a very expensive material. Uh rubber is, I think, uh the best suitable uh material uh to use uh for our uh for our remote control. Um it's poss it's also possible to uh create fancy colours with rubber. Uh rubber l makes it easy to uh to to [disfmarker] it lets lets itself colour. Uh titanium uh you have to paint it and with that uh it's possible to scratch it or uh yeah make it ugly. Uh rubber uh the total uh piece of rubber that's sor uh that's that's used uh to make the case is uh the same colour, so if you scratch it it's still the same colour, perhaps uh it's a little bit damaged. But it's a very strong material. Um [vocalsound] I h I had an idea single covered uh curved, sorry, single curved.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Uh so it's t two dimensional. I think it's uh it's best to draw oh green.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] It's a colour. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Bright colour. Fancy colour. Forward.
[speaker003:] Uh [disfmarker] New. Blank. Okay.
[speaker004:] You have to go t
[speaker003:] Let's make it uh black. Okay. I thought of an idea like this. Oh [gap] that. [vocalsound] Um delete. Blank. Okay. So it also looks nice when it's on your table. So you get
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker003:] uh it doesn't lay flat down on the table, but it's c it's stands.
[speaker004:] Oh it's a side view.
[speaker003:] Side view yes it's side view so uh I I'm not technically good at th three D modelling,
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] but.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Um uh it's just an idea I had so it's uh it's very uh so its also looks nice when it's on the table. Um the graphical user interface and the buttons, uh we also thought about that already. Uh I thought about uh the LCD touch screen, which is uh is easy to clean too. One of the great uh advantages of the LCD screen you just use some [gap] or uh another uh cleaning uh uh cl some cleaning stuff.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] And um it should be made of strong plastic and it should be bright. Well I already uh s uh explained some properties of that material and I think uh well we also we almost concluded about that uh this should uh be uh our uh button component.
[speaker004:] True.
[speaker003:] So uh uh that's all about uh the buttons. Uh the batteries, uh we also thought about that already, uh will be chargeable with uh uh an option for a mount station so you can uh put the uh [vocalsound] the remote control in a mount station so its charges itself up instead of uh plugging it in or something like that. Questions, [gap]?
[speaker004:] No no no no no.
[speaker002:] No. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Just looking.
[speaker003:] And they should be long lasting, not uh not be empty uh in about uh two minutes or uh thirty minutes or forty minutes of use. And next step is the chip uh th the component that's uh makes or transmits the signal to the television. Uh there was an option to use s a rather simple chip but I think uh because uh of our uh highly uh requiring uh requirements, there should be an advanced chip in it
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] with uh also the ability to uh facilitate speaker speech recognition uh which unfortunately is still in a test phase, so uh there should be some more uh investigation on that side. Uh my personal preferences uh I also overheard in the last meeting that there shou we should use uh our own business colours. That was correct, wasn't it?
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] Okay. I think they are rather boring for um for use with rubber.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Well, business colours I thought it was the the slogan and uh the corporate image, so yeah, it needs colour,
[speaker003:] Okay they should be m sh they should be in mind, wasn't it?
[speaker001:] but I don't think you have to make the entire thing in the corporate colour. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Okay so it d it doesn't says uh to uh have the slogan?
[speaker001:] It must be recognisable.
[speaker003:] Okay okay. Well that's possible of course. We could make a little R and R [gap] on the top of the machine.
[speaker002:] You can put the R and R. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Uh so they are [vocalsound] pretty boring, I suggest, because just the availability with rubber to make fantastic colours uh and also in a lot of possible colours, so it's possible to make very uh fancy uh remote controls which peopl uh who people in which people will find they're uh interesting. And uh will buy uh [vocalsound] them faster when they look at the same old grey or black uh colours. Uh s as I said uh before rubber is uh is impossible to damage severely imp instead of uh of course you can break it when you you when you break it in s for example with a pair of scissors or something like that, but i if you drop it it's not uh broken uh right away s instead of using uh plastic, hard plastic or uh titanium. And I personally liked uh the single curved uh remote control, because it yeah it makes sense.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Okay. Well that's all about my uh my findings.
[speaker002:] Alright.
[speaker001:] Okay, thank you.
[speaker004:] Mm mm mm. Next.
[speaker002:] I will go next. [gap]
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker002:] Alright so
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] I thought a little bit about the interface. Uh how it should look. And uh [vocalsound] uh we uh determined that will not be no buttons, but only an LCD screen, so I had to uh look on that. And the design is therefore based on what we just uh uh thought of. Uh first there are some new findings and new technology for speech recognition. And this is that uh um uh uh you you ask you give a question through through the device and it answers you. And they already uh put this in an in a coffee maker. And so that it you say uh good morning, uh coffee maker, and it says t says to you back good morning Joe or what's your name.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] This uh and there's an easy way to uh program that uh you say record into the device into the speaker and then you say the question and three seconds later you say the answer and then when you say the question it gives you the answer.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] Um perhaps it's useful,
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker002:] perhaps for because people um lose the remote,
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] they can yell uh remote where are you and [gap] calls or something.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] It's true.
[speaker002:] And perhaps we could uh implement that.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] And then I have to go out of the presentation because I tried to make some kind of a a idea of how it should look like
[speaker003:] Oh my God. [vocalsound] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] but I can't draw, so uh don't [vocalsound] make too much of it [vocalsound]. I tried to uh the LCD screen I tried to sort of to draw [gap]. I thought uh at least uh the icon for the volume. I don't know if there is an icon for the program, but
[speaker003:] Not just a P.
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker004:] P yeah, just a P.
[speaker002:] So uh
[speaker003:]  [gap]
[speaker002:] and then the buttons above and uh below
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] the and the and the mute button also recognisable as an icon. Um.
[speaker004:] Where's where's the button for two [gap]?
[speaker002:] I forgot that one.
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] I thought I forgot something,
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] but uh [vocalsound]. And uh and uh the numbers, that should be a bit larger I think it's not really on scale and and so forth.
[speaker003:] Ah.
[speaker004:] Doesn't matter.
[speaker002:] Um an options button. And I thought the the button for teletext apar uh apart because it's not really options, I think.
[speaker003:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] It's uh options is the settings of the remote and of the TV and that kind of uh thing.
[speaker004:] No.
[speaker003:] Yep.
[speaker002:] So could call it settings or something. But this is a bit uh how I thought it. And uh the LCD uh somewhere on the remote. Perhaps we could be more curvy the remote perhaps should, so that it's better in your hand or something uh.
[speaker003:] Oh okay, yeah.
[speaker002:] But uh and and uh a microph microphone for the speech uh recognition if we want to implement that. Uh and then uh if you press the op options button, now we have an example of and then you should get the other options with what what you could do and that you could do with something like this this.
[speaker003:] Oh yeah, [gap].
[speaker002:] And uh it's also uh I thought think we discussed uh earlier that uh older people don't really want to use uh these extra settings. And older people a also don't really want to use this uh th this kind of option menus. So they want to u use one button and then something happens, and not choose with uh this kind of uh [disfmarker] And you could put in a an a really s little scrolling device on the side of your uh remote,
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker002:] so you could scroll scroll uh across these uh things.
[speaker003:] Mm. Okay.
[speaker002:] That's an option. And that was my uh finding dinge.
[speaker001:] Thanks.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Now our third
[speaker003:] Go Danny, go Danny. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] team member with his presentation.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Okay, I'm going to tell you something about a trend watching. The trends from the past years, what the people like, what the youngsters like, what the elderly people liked about shapes, colours, material and stuff. 'Kay. The method I used was [disfmarker] Like I told I watched the trends from the past years about colours, shapes, material they wanted uh from elderly and young people. So we can keep that in mind for designing f uh the device itself. Findings I made. The most important thing people liked last year was that the remote control should be look look fancy. The second important thing that w should be if inv in innov innovative, okay, like the LCD screen that's [vocalsound] quite innovative so that should be great meeting for this. And the third thing is it should be easy to use. I think with only one menu, four button, channel, volume, it should also be enough for easy to use. The personal preferences for the young people, they liked fruity colours like uh banana yellow, uh strawberry red and stuff.
[speaker003:] Fruity? [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Grass green.
[speaker003:] Fruity. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah. Like that. The round shapes, and soft material m materials like the rubber.
[speaker003:] Mm. Okay.
[speaker004:] It should be soft uh i it should feeling spongy or s Sponge Bob like things.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Let's build it into a sponge.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] [gap] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Th Elderly people like au colours which y are being seen in autumn like um woods um dark brown, red, deep reds and stuff. They liked square shapes with round edges. And hard materials like wood, um titanium. They those kind of materials they liked. This is a bit like the young peoples like the fruity colours, innovative, all the colours you see, the blue, the red, the white, the yellow, that stuff. And then I th I I personally thought the front side of the shape should be something for the youngsters like like
[speaker001:] Oh y [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] this or something. It's it's a bit like a banana. And the colour should be yellow, or something.
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker004:] And for the elderly people just plain old. Because we decided to have two kind of remotes, two designs, or was it two colours?
[speaker002:] It was one remote, I think,
[speaker004:] Different colours, yeah.
[speaker002:] different colours.
[speaker004:] We should decide whether it's going to be with round shapes. I think like my colleague, you said, is that's e better, or for the elderly people something like like the iPod or something, with round squares. Simple but
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker004:] easy to use.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] So that's it.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] So for the older people, a more traditional uh form.
[speaker004:] That is my [disfmarker] Yeah, like the older o older colours I can maybe [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] You could you could uh change the colours, that was also the idea. I don't know which shape you should should take,
[speaker004:] Yeah. [vocalsound] Colours th the elderly people [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] but.
[speaker001:] Yeah, I guess changing colours will be easier than changing uh
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Changing just the shape of the uh remote control?
[speaker001:] the shape of it.
[speaker002:] Perhaps you could find something in the middle.
[speaker003:] Yeah,
[speaker002:] Round but square. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] s round corners, but s but square, yeah.
[speaker001:] [gap]
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] But maybe then both groups won't buy it.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Uh i i if you do it uh uh square, with round corners but a little uh in the middle of it uh
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] i Do you know what I mean?
[speaker003:] Yeah I know what you mean, kind of like a [gap]. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [gap] wait, like [vocalsound] like this [vocalsound] uh a bit.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So it's a bit square, but it's also a bit uh round.
[speaker003:] Kinda like a beer glass. [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker002:] So but then [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] I know what you mean.
[speaker002:] Same sides. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] It's also easy to to have [vocalsound] to to put in your hand.
[speaker002:] But that's uh [disfmarker] Yeah but that's also how other remotes are shaped, so that's uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] But perhaps that's a good thing, so that's easy to use. People know the [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Will recognise that's as a remote control.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker] Look something like that [gap]. Autumn colours like red, brown.
[speaker003:] Uh when I saw your d Oh.
[speaker004:] They liked the wood a lot.
[speaker003:] Huh.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] So maybe we could give it like wooden loo look look or something in that colour.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah, kinda like old cars, uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] And a bit bit old school style renaissance, medieval kind of things.
[speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Let's put it all together.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Swords. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Those kind of [disfmarker] Yeah, those kind of things. So you see the big difference between the young people? Fresh, exciting.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] And the old people, old and boring.
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker002:] But that's easily to do with the colour, I think.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] So [disfmarker] Sorry?
[speaker002:] That's easy to do with the colours, I think.
[speaker004:] Yeah I think it's it's easier to do in colour than in shape.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker004:] Because otherwise we have to [gap] get different shapes,
[speaker001:] Yeah we think so too.
[speaker004:] and colour [gap] way easier than yeah the shapes. In material yeah rubber, rubber is, like I said, young people like more soft materials and spongy ones
[speaker003:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] and the old people like [vocalsound] plain wood.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] So we have to decide if we're going to use real hard rubber, or soft rubber. Or something something between that.
[speaker002:] Yeah think uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Soft rubber.
[speaker002:] Also in between. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah [gap] soft rubber
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker004:] which you can you can feel in it.
[speaker003:] Yeah I know what you [disfmarker] Um.
[speaker002:] I don't think you should be able to mould it,
[speaker004:] Or [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] but [vocalsound] [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] No. Or or wh
[speaker003:] It should shouldn't be [gap].
[speaker004:] what's something harder. No no no but but you have to like like like a a eraser or something. That's the bit you can press it in,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] or something harder.
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker002:] Bit like this kind of rubber. This uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah, something like this, yeah.
[speaker002:] But it's quite hard, this.
[speaker004:] Yeah it's quite hard but you can press it in.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] It's feels kind s spongy.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Spongy.
[speaker001:] Hmm.
[speaker004:] Something. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] I don't think it's rubber.
[speaker004:] No. N n n
[speaker001:] So we need a spongy feeling. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Uh did you have something about uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Are you going to invite Sponge Bob, maybe he can [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] So we should first decide about shape, I think.
[speaker003:] Ding ding.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah I think that's the better thing to do. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Which uh [disfmarker] Then you can fit the LCD screen in it,
[speaker004:] [gap]
[speaker002:] and can decide uh.
[speaker003:] Um I also s uh can't help but notice [vocalsound] that you uh used an [disfmarker] you had a remote control [gap]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] and the LCD screen was uh rather small. Um.
[speaker004:] Yeah w I think that LCD screen should be like [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah it it's supposed to be bit s bit s bit
[speaker003:] This was your size,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] but I think it should be larger.
[speaker004:] Yeah three quarter of the of the [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah, three quarters. So uh so you don't have to put your [disfmarker] [vocalsound] oh.
[speaker004:] Yeah the buttons won't get that small when the LCD screen is [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Uh new, blank. So uh when you get [vocalsound] this uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [gap]
[speaker002:] Ooh [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Uh kinda like this.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] Or should it be larger?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Larger I think.
[speaker003:] Larger? Because you want to put your hands [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] But if you pu
[speaker004:] Yeah becau because you have [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Now you can put your hand there and then you won't touch the screen.
[speaker003:] You want Yeah.
[speaker002:] Perhaps that's best.
[speaker004:] Yeah okay, true, true, true true.
[speaker003:] Your thumb here.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] But not on the screen because [vocalsound] [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah that's uh that's an idea.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Looks a bit like a Game Boy now. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Because when you put your f Yeah but if yo if you make the the LCD screen as large as the remote control itself, uh you'll [vocalsound] you'll always get some [disfmarker] You [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] You always touch it,
[speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker003:] Going to be very greasy and stuff.
[speaker004:] But it won't get that small because you have how much? Nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen buttons on the screen.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] One to zero, the two digit, [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah you don't want it too small. How yeah how large [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] You have to you have to [disfmarker] Because some fat people with d thick fingers will press three buttons at same time.
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Yeah they have thick fingers [gap]. But if you wanna make it in international, Japanese uh people got uh rather small hands
[speaker004:] Yeah true, but [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] and we got these large [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah, we have we have the zoom option, right?
[speaker003:] Zoom opt Ah yeah of course, yeah. You can make it larger to to uh to uh with accompanying uh greater fields to push the button.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] And we won't include a a pen, or something to point,
[speaker004:] No.
[speaker001:] hey, we we want to do it with our fingers,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] right?
[speaker003:] Your fingers, yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] You don't want uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Y you could include a pen
[speaker003:] Because if you lose the pen uh if you lose the pen uh you can't use [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Use a pen You you c you can lose the pen.
[speaker001:] Yeah but I think people want to use a remote with with their fingers
[speaker004:] Yeah [gap] the fingers, yeah.
[speaker001:] because th they're used to that
[speaker002:] Yeah o yeah [gap], if they think it's handy to use a pen.
[speaker001:] and [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker002:] Yeah I think this uh this is a good size for the screen. I don't know how how large the actual remote should be but a little bit like this, or something.
[speaker001:] And maybe we have to add a tissue to remove the grease from all the fingers, huh. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah [gap]
[speaker004:] Yeah but that that can be [gap] with plain soft tissue.
[speaker003:] You can do [gap] whatever uh any uh cloth.
[speaker004:] Yeah, you can buy those at [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Okay well maybe, if I can interrupt you, maybe I should uh should show some points on which we uh should take a decision.
[speaker003:] Sure.
[speaker001:] So we can discuss these points. [gap] those points um energy question mark. How how should we uh supply the thing with energy and how [disfmarker] are we going to do it with separate docking station and then put [gap] in it. Uh chip on print and case. Those are points my uh coach advised me to discuss here, but I hope you have ideas about them.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] I think energy were batteries and then uh and uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] The docking station.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah. So that's the the the first point.
[speaker004:] Maybe it's better to to include rechargeable batteries
[speaker001:] We already decided that on the previous meeting.
[speaker003:] W [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Yeah. Yeah.
[speaker004:] which you can recharge through the docking station.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] So
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] if the badg the batteries are dead
[speaker002:] Just like with the telephone.
[speaker003:] I kinda like your [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] then you can re you can uh change them.
[speaker003:] Yeah you got some uh some of those uh uh wireless uh mice? Mouse. Computer mouse.
[speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah like those.
[speaker003:] Kinda like those kind of batteries.
[speaker004:] Yep.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] but it should be th I think normal batteries,
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] not not like two or two uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah, normal plain you [disfmarker] No normal plain batteries you can buy at the supermarket or retail shop. Yeah.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Simple rechargeable uh batteries.
[speaker002:] Yeah. Um what was with the chip on print?
[speaker003:] The chip on print? Um [disfmarker] Uh you gotta f Yeah. I think so. Chip on print with a with a [vocalsound] simple uh a sim not a simple but a [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Print plate.
[speaker003:] We also discussed that. Didn't we? [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Yeah but how did this how does that with a LCD screen? You still have a print plate.
[speaker003:] Uh [gap]
[speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah. You always have a print plate.
[speaker003:] Beg your pardon?
[speaker004:] You always have a print plate, right?
[speaker003:] Yeah sure, of course, yeah.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Always, so [disfmarker] I dunno what w what we have to decide about that.
[speaker001:] Yeah well it's a good question.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] It just was in there
[speaker003:] [gap] Well uh
[speaker001:] and I didn't have any information about it,
[speaker003:] chip on print, I think what they mean uh with the regular rubber buttons that you got, uh it's always clear for the remote control when you press uh a certain button.
[speaker001:] but [disfmarker] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] But when you got a LCD screen, with no uh with not [vocalsound] [disfmarker] the buttons are not always on the same place,
[speaker004:] Yeah, okay. But [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] for example if you enlarge a button, or if you got several options uh appearing on your screen, uh the co-ordinations aren't always the same.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] When you got a regular button, th the button of stand-by is always on the same place
[speaker004:] Yeah okay, but the p print plate of L LCD screen is more advanced than a normal print plate,
[speaker003:] and you got on the and on the [disfmarker] Yeah.
[speaker004:] so that that's not of any discussion, I think.
[speaker001:] Well
[speaker003:] [gap] I suppose so.
[speaker001:] you need some kind of CPU, I guess.
[speaker004:] Mm, I don't I dunno I don't think that's [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] It is a simple CPU but it doesn't [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah yeah okay but I d I I don't know if nor o s it's quite a simple LCD.
[speaker003:] Yeah because it has to uh b
[speaker004:] Yeah, it's quite a simple LCD screen. I think they don't need that big of CPU.
[speaker003:] Yeah but it the the remote control has to know whether you're in a settings menu or just uh you just want to turn up the volume.
[speaker004:] Yeah, okay, true true. True.
[speaker003:] So it has to have some kind of a calculation unit or CPU to know uh in which state you are
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] and uh which button you are pressing in at the right moment.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. [vocalsound] Because we're projecting projecting the buttons on the LCD screen.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker003:] And a touch screen makes it uh possible to uh to get the co-ordination of your finger on the screen.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] And the case, yeah we already discussed the case,
[speaker002:] It's rubber.
[speaker003:] we wanted to make it from rubber
[speaker002:] Yeah
[speaker003:] and uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] but but a hard rubber like this? Or softer rubber or [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Uh hard rubber I think.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] That's the easy to ha uh to to uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] It bounces back from the floor where you [vocalsound] throw it.
[speaker003:] Yeah. Yeah sure,
[speaker004:] We have different colours.
[speaker003:] look [vocalsound].
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah yeah this in different colours?
[speaker004:] So the shapes is something between the square shapes with round colo corners and a round shapes?
[speaker003:] D
[speaker004:] No I don't think, I think it's more round than square. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Yeah it's a bit. But I think it should be a bit longer, perhaps.
[speaker004:] So it meets I think it meets more the young people than the older people.
[speaker002:] Yeah. I think so too.
[speaker001:] Yeah. But that's what we want, [gap].
[speaker004:] Yeah, that's our target. Yeah.
[speaker003:] It's our main target.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Lower than forty years, I think
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker004:] it was.
[speaker003:] Well and how about my idea uh of making it um with one single curve?
[speaker004:] Oh yeah that that [vocalsound] I think [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] So i
[speaker004:] I thought that was a quite good
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Because it's a gadget and you want to show it off, of course.
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah yeah you have a fancy design, then, right away.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker004:] You can put it on your table with the LCD screen,
[speaker001:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Because it Yeah.
[speaker004:] you don't have to put it [disfmarker] get it in your hand, you can put it next to you and then dive it in
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's a good idea.
[speaker004:] and [gap]. Yeah.
[speaker003:] It's a lot easier.
[speaker002:] Yeah, alright.
[speaker004:] So [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] So, so
[speaker001:] Okay so [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] you got uh [disfmarker] Did you write that down?
[speaker002:] And then [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Uh got a single curved uh rubber f uh fancy coloured [vocalsound] remote control. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] You can't you You can't
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] oh, you c you can draw it on your paper and then load it on the
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah, you can uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah
[speaker002:] It's pretty easy
[speaker001:] but I wrote it down. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] but [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] And load it on the the user the server.
[speaker002:] And [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] What about the user interface, there are also some some questions uh about the concepts I think you have some ideas on that [gap].
[speaker002:] Yeah, I had what I just uh
[speaker001:] You you showed your drawing.
[speaker002:] I should [gap] again. I miss a few buttons, but. Well. At least uh [vocalsound] [disfmarker] what we should also have on, I just remembered, um a menu to go back through the first uh [gap] if if you touch options, you can't go back to this uh right away now.
[speaker004:] Mm-hmm. Yeah, you have to go back. Yeah uh uh.
[speaker002:] This [gap] [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Isn't it better to have the sound and the general buttons horizontal?
[speaker002:] I don't know.
[speaker004:] With the minus and the plus.
[speaker002:] I think it's [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] I think it's easier than [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] I don't know. I I thought it was uh easier to handle this way,
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] but I don't know what they think.
[speaker003:] Sorry? [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] Would you like the the buttons horizontal or v vertical?
[speaker001:] Mm.
[speaker004:] For sound and channel.
[speaker003:] Depends on the screen.
[speaker002:] Th
[speaker003:] If you make the screen vertical it doesn't matter. If you make it uh in a rectangle [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Right well
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] if we make it like this, I think if you
[speaker003:] I so it's it's it's it's [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] put it like this [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Square. [gap]
[speaker004:] I think it's it's easier to have it something like [disfmarker] Oh a button uh minus here, plus over here. A minus here, plus over here.
[speaker003:] [gap] Oh, okay.
[speaker004:] And on here.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] The other buttons and on here [vocalsound] the top. The options and then you have something like uh the P over here,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker002:] But I think I wou
[speaker004:] and the sound.
[speaker002:] I think that's a matter of what you're used to.
[speaker004:] Something uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] I think I would put a plus and a min uh here. And then the P in the mid in the middle and the sound uh in the middle.
[speaker003:] Uh. [gap]
[speaker004:] Something like [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Sh
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Take your time. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Plus minus plus uh [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Almost. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker004:] minus.
[speaker002:] Yeah but I think when you are holding it, you could press the minus and the plus and with the other finger the minus and the plus.
[speaker004:] Yeah I think you're going to s you're going to use it with one thumb.
[speaker002:] Yeah but I think [disfmarker] Yeah I don't know. [vocalsound] Perhaps I have some examples.
[speaker003:] W We'll leave that to the usability engineering then. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] I don't know [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Who's the usability engineering?
[speaker002:] That's me.
[speaker004:] She is. [gap]
[speaker003:] [gap] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] But I'm going to look if I've got some examples 'cause perhaps you should choose what's most often used.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Oh.
[speaker002:] The [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Um [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] 'Cause they can use that better.
[speaker003:] Consistency.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Oh [gap] [disfmarker] I have that those s numbers.
[speaker002:] I [disfmarker] Here is our [disfmarker] here are uh
[speaker004:] Or a good watch.
[speaker002:] I don't really know.
[speaker004:] B
[speaker001:] Everybody's searching in his data.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Channel selection. Per hour one hundred and sixty eight. Volume selection four times an hour
[speaker002:] Yeah but [gap] [disfmarker] But I mean if it's usually plus or min above each other or next to each other on a normal remote.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] So not how much [disfmarker] n not how often it's used, but [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] W what's what's usual or normal.
[speaker004:] Yeah, that depends on on on the remote.
[speaker002:] Yes I'm looking here. But here's it's below,
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker002:] here also, and now here's here's next to each other.
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker002:] I think it's [gap] it's a [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] I think [gap] because I have two televisions at home. One is horizontal, one is vertical, so it depends.
[speaker003:] Yeah it does it doesn't really matter,
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] but [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah. Depends.
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker002:] I think the the the volume was usually uh above each other, because you go higher and down.
[speaker004:] Yeah, lower.
[speaker002:] And the the pay the the the program is next to each other, because you would go further and back.
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker004:] True.
[speaker002:] That's how it's is usually [gap] when I look here
[speaker003:] Okay, um.
[speaker002:] that's what I see.
[speaker003:] Let's cut to the chase. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] It's got to change.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Yeah well I think we have we don't have to decide about that now how where we will put the buttons
[speaker002:] I don't know.
[speaker004:] Yeah is it is user interface.
[speaker001:] just the
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] concepts.
[speaker004:] Component.
[speaker002:] This concept is in the actual design, but you should know where you would place a [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Okay, well le Yeah. Interface, yeah.
[speaker002:] And the speech uh shall we implement that? Or uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Yeah well we just heard about the new uh technology, huh?
[speaker004:] Yeah I think it's it's easy for that,
[speaker003:] Technologies, uh.
[speaker004:] where are you, but then it says I'm here.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Makes it possible to [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] But then you should also find a place [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] You could if you do it like this you could put it in a corner or something.
[speaker003:] Mm.
[speaker002:] You can talk into the corner.
[speaker004:] Yeah, a microphone, yeah.
[speaker003:] [gap] Not even necessary,
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] because a lotta [disfmarker] you can make a very sensitive microphone, so it makes it possible to uh [vocalsound] just put it arou uh underneath it or on the on the bottom of the uh remote.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah maybe at the bottom where you can can hel hold it with you hand that there's also a microphone uh
[speaker002:] But [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] [gap]
[speaker002:] Yeah, that's also [gap].
[speaker003:] Yeah. Right.
[speaker001:] over there.
[speaker002:] So,
[speaker003:] But that's not import I think that's not im very important
[speaker002:] in the middle or something.
[speaker001:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker003:] because yeah, it doesn't matter where the microphone is.
[speaker002:] [gap] but you should uh decide where you want to put it.
[speaker003:] Ah okay, sure, okay,
[speaker002:] Right? [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] well tha
[speaker004:] Um I think where it isn't seen
[speaker003:] Underneath?
[speaker004:] the most.
[speaker003:] [gap] Indeed. It shouldn't be uh very uh visible.
[speaker004:] Inside.
[speaker002:] You could p you could put it in a logo of the company. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] [vocalsound] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah sure, why no
[speaker001:] Well maybe just in the the spot you just pointed out
[speaker004:] I i between the round of the R.
[speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] because I think it should be in a in an important position where people can see it, because it is the the unique uh idea of our remote, huh, the the speech control.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah, okay.
[speaker002:] So where do you want to put it?
[speaker001:] Well maybe where the one hand [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Yeah but it doesn't makes it uh any more fancy because you get to see uh [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah actually it does [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] because it you can you can find it better if you use it.
[speaker004:] Yeah bu but [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] It's a way for you to uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Uh.
[speaker002:] So it makes more sense just 'cause other remotes don't have that.
[speaker003:] Yeah, okay.
[speaker001:] But are we talking about the button, or about the microphone?
[speaker002:] About a microphone,
[speaker001:] Yeah
[speaker002:] there is no button.
[speaker001:] because a microphone is very small thing, but you can make it look like it's big
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] so as its its really an important function of the remote.
[speaker004:] I think the left s under corner should be the best.
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker004:] Where isn't [disfmarker] i it isn't most in sight.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Okay. Well put it there. I don't mind. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] I think.
[speaker001:] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] That doesn't doesn't really matter.
[speaker004:] No. Actually doesn't.
[speaker003:] Okay. So?
[speaker002:] Alright. Any more uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] So well uh
[speaker003:] [vocalsound] Interface type.
[speaker001:] type, supplements, anything. Yeah, well we already s discussed that, huh, the the LCD
[speaker003:] The LCD yeah, uh supplements well the supplement is to [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] and [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] [gap] I think [disfmarker] I thought the, like you said, like scroll [vocalsound] next to the remote isn't that handy.
[speaker003:] yeah.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] I think it's better to just [gap] up what you'd like to do on the screen.
[speaker002:] [gap]
[speaker004:] If you want to go back you have to back button go back,
[speaker003:] [gap]
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] if you want to choose audio settings you press audio settings and it goes to that s sub-menu.
[speaker003:] Hey,
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] Um yeah. Yeah
[speaker003:] [gap]. [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] the the young people do like uh scroll uh
[speaker003:] Use the scroll.
[speaker004:] Yeah? You do like it?
[speaker003:] Yeah I think so too. So why not, on on side.
[speaker002:] Or at least [disfmarker] Yeah I don't know if it's really the scroll, but the menu [gap] they like most, and I think you can never get through a menu great with a scroll uh [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] Fast, yeah.
[speaker004:] Yeah I think it is is faster.
[speaker003:] So if you've got a settings, if you [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Becau I think the scroll's easier if you have a lot of options,
[speaker003:] Yes. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] but if you don't have a lot of option then [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] But you have [disfmarker] it's f uh
[speaker003:] You have a lot of options,
[speaker002:] we have five or four or something.
[speaker003:] because when you use [disfmarker] Yeah you get w when you use uh the settings menu for example to look up some uh uh some channels on your uh on your television, you should scroll scroll down uh on a menu which probably does not fit on your screen.
[speaker004:] Y
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker004:] Uh-huh. Yeah, okay, true.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] So then it's uh very handy to to scroll down,
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker003:] you make just a rubber just like uh on your mouse or. Just put it on the side and it's very easy to use.
[speaker004:] [gap] Okay, no problem.
[speaker001:] And I think I would it would make even more fancy because you have another interesting thing on the side
[speaker003:] Yeah, yeah.
[speaker001:] which you can touch
[speaker002:] Yeah. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] and [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] It's also different. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Okay. Well there's our five minutes uh warning. Um any more uh questions about about the design or the user interface or different components, everyone?
[speaker004:] Um. No, colours are clear, shape is clear,
[speaker001:] Everybody think they can can
[speaker004:] material is clear.
[speaker003:] Okay, what's the standard colour?
[speaker001:] work for that?
[speaker004:] And a standard, yeah
[speaker001:] Is there a standard colour?
[speaker004:] we don't [disfmarker] no we have different colour.
[speaker003:] I I
[speaker004:] How many colours are we going to [disfmarker]
[speaker003:] You got you got different colours,
[speaker002:] You should you should have a black one
[speaker003:] but you should have a standard colour.
[speaker002:] because uh I think black is standard.
[speaker004:] Black. Yeah, black I think is is the standard.
[speaker003:] Black? With the with the yellow uh [disfmarker] [vocalsound]
[speaker002:] But if you want to be different, then uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Dark grey, something like this this colour or something.
[speaker003:] Just a regular uh remote colour.
[speaker004:] Yeah like like yeah.
[speaker003:] And then have uh different covers uh to use.
[speaker004:] Or or silver. I think it's better to have silver nowadays.
[speaker003:] Silver, yeah.
[speaker002:] Silver.
[speaker004:] I think you see more silver than black.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] You see a lot of t uh silver televisions.
[speaker001:] But still silver and black are [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] Silver rubber. [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah the the silver black are our main colours. Yeah.
[speaker001:] well silver is new but also traditional, so uh [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] I think we have silver, black and between those [vocalsound] is like I dunno s five colours between them or something.
[speaker001:] Yeah w what about a yellow thing, I mean it
[speaker003:] Yeah y I think it's better to [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] Yeah yeah yeah it'll be a banana yellow, we have.
[speaker001:] could be ugly, but it's definitely fancy.
[speaker004:] R red.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound] But
[speaker003:] Yeah th yeah. That's right.
[speaker002:] yeah.
[speaker004:] Green, wood, brown.
[speaker003:] But if you use uh silver, uh rubber s silver rubber isn't fancy.
[speaker004:] Yeah. True.
[speaker003:] When you use titanium, silver is fancy, but when you use silver rubber, it isn't fancy.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Silver has to shine, and rubber doesn't shine.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm.
[speaker003:] Especially when it's made of soft rubber like this.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] You understand? [vocalsound]
[speaker004:] Yeah, I understand.
[speaker001:] Yeah I would think about colours like uh red, yellow, green, blue,
[speaker004:] Yeah o of course.
[speaker003:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] just [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] The fruity colours and the autumn colours, like red and brown, [gap] dark red and brown.
[speaker003:] Fruity.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker002:] Just all kind of colour.
[speaker003:] Fruity loops.
[speaker001:] Mm-hmm. Maroon.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Yeah.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Okay, so [disfmarker]
[speaker002:] And and do we have to have a normal black one, or uh [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Who's pinging?
[speaker002:] Is it [disfmarker]
[speaker004:] No [gap].
[speaker001:] You are pingin Okay.
[speaker002:] [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] You ping. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] [vocalsound] I thought we Okay, so uh that wraps it up? Everybody knows uh what to do?
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] Well
[speaker003:] Well
[speaker001:] I wrote it down here. I wrote it down here what to do um.
[speaker003:] not what to do. Not what to do.
[speaker002:] Well I don't know what to do, but. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] The next meeting is once again in thirty minutes.
[speaker003:] Okay.
[speaker001:] Um here are the individual actions, and especially notice that uh the Industrial Designer and the User Interface Designer are going to work together on a prototype drawing on a smart board,
[speaker002:] Ooh. [vocalsound] Right.
[speaker004:] S
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker001:] and of course to all four of us uh specific instructions will be emailed by our personal coach.
[speaker004:] tough. We'll be available.
[speaker002:] But do we have to [disfmarker] We'll work together, but do we have to stay here, or do we [disfmarker]
[speaker001:] Well I I'd say just wait uh for email and uh find out.
[speaker002:] Right. Yes. Okay. [vocalsound]
[speaker001:] I don't know. [vocalsound]
[speaker003:] Thin I think we should work [vocalsound].
[speaker001:] Okay well that was what I had to say, uh,
[speaker002:] Yeah I think [gap].
[speaker001:] final thoughts from anyone, or?
[speaker002:] No.
[speaker004:] No.
[speaker001:] We're finished. Okay, well thank you very much.
[speaker002:] Yeah.
[speaker004:] Finished.
[speaker003:] Thank you very much.
[speaker002:] So we have to keep talking English now? [vocalsound]